Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[applesandorange]

Pizza on the inside of the bag - magots on the outside because of body fluids. Magots don't feed on pizza. Casey, you are going down!


Try to explain this away CA, GA, or Baez!! Oh that's right once they start talking we will all say "now I understand." WHATEVER!! All I hear when they start talking is blah blah blah.

[beachbum]

Pizza on the inside of the bag - magots on the outside because of body fluids. Magots don't feed on pizza. Casey, you are going down!

Im not sure what it is called but its the process of the life of a fly and laying eggs process on decomposing bodies. I have seen it on several crime shows. They can determine how long a person has been dead from the stages of the fly on the body--etc. (sorry Im just not good in this dept-maybe someone else can explain it better)

[One2Snoop]

1987 Case Proves Conviction Without Body Possible
State Attorney Says It's Possible If Evidence Is There

POSTED: 6:55 pm EDT October 15, 2008
UPDATED: 7:39 pm EDT October 15, 2008


LAKE MARY, Fla. -- No body, no crime used to be the theory in criminal court.

But now Casey Anthony's indicted in connection with the disappearance of her daughter Caylee -- even though the Anthony family insists Caylee is alive.

Can anyone be convicted of murder without a dead body?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17724584/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Did I just hear this correctly? :eek: NG was interviewing Jeffrey Hopkins - he said he doesn't know who Zanieda Gonzales is and and he has no children?

[applesandorange]

Did I just hear this correctly? :eek: NG was interviewing Jeffrey Hopkins - he said he doesn't know who Zanieda Gonzales is and and he has no children?

Yep you heard correctly! Did you hear LP say when he was there both Cindy and Lee tried to cover up for that saying there was another Hopkins even after they knew there wasn't? I honestly think Lee and Cindy need to be charged with something.

[lorettalockhorn]

Im not sure what it is called but its the process of the life of a fly and laying eggs process on decomposing bodies. I have seen it on several crime shows. They can determine how long a person has been dead from the stages of the fly on the body--etc. (sorry Im just not good in this dept-maybe someone else can explain it better)

I suppose it would depend on what kind of fly it is. We studied drosophila in my biology lab 150 years ago. Anyway:

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/corpse_fauna/flies/life_cycle.htm

[One2Snoop]

Yep you heard correctly! Did you hear LP say when he was there both Cindy and Lee tried to cover up for that saying there was another Hopkins even after they knew there wasn't? I honestly think Lee and Cindy need to be charged with something.

Damn! I missed it - I need to stop multitasking LOL. Thanks for that info.
I'll look for it in the transcript.

[One2Snoop]

Who is that annoying women on NG that wears the glasses. She makes me want to scream. :cuss: Ughhhh her voice is annoying. LOL

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep you heard correctly! Did you hear LP say when he was there both Cindy and Lee tried to cover up for that saying there was another Hopkins even after they knew there wasn't? I honestly think Lee and Cindy need to be charged with something.

Uh huh that's what he said all right. I want so badly for Cindy to be charged with obstruction. Or at least have her mouth duct taped.

[One2Snoop]

NG just announced...

Micky Mouse Dress found is not Caylee's.

[One2Snoop]

I suppose it would depend on what kind of fly it is. We studied drosophila in my biology lab 150 years ago. Anyway:

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/corpse_fauna/flies/life_cycle.htm

You're 150 years old? :eek: Mind passing your secret along? :biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

Lee's behavior has puzzled me from the beginning. I believe Cindy is deep into denial, but Lee IMO knows way more than he is telling. Why would he discourage the family from taking a lie detector test unless he knew something? I don't believe he had anything to do with Caylee's death, but I am beginning to believe he may have been part of the cover up.

My heart went out to George when I saw his brief interview prior to his GJ appearance. I think he knows in his broken heart that Caylee is dead and his very own daughter had something to do with it. That has got to be the most difficult reality in this world to accept.

I wonder if Cindy has ever watched the show, "Snapped"?

[applesandorange]

Who is that annoying women on NG that wears the glasses. She makes me want to scream. :cuss: Ughhhh her voice is annoying. LOL

LoL My husband says she sounds like Fran Drecsher on crack lol

[One2Snoop]

LoL My husband says she sounds like Fran Drecsher on crack lol

Perfect description - thank god NG cuts her off all the time! LOL

[deputydi]

Try to explain this away CA, GA, or Baez!! Oh that's right once they start talking we will all say "now I understand." WHATEVER!! All I hear when they start talking is blah blah blah.
What is it that we are all going to understand? Why her conscienceless daughter was filmed half dressed and obviously drunk at a party during the period of time she should have been worried sick that her baby had been kidnapped? How about why she lied over and over and over to LE whose only mission was to find her missing baby? Maybe we'll understand why she felt the need to steal money from her "best friend", her grandparents, and her own parents who provided a roof over her head. Oh, wait -- I'll bet we will finally understand why Casey waited 31 days before she told ANYONE her daughter was missing!!

Seems to me that Casey has a whole lot of 'splaining to do.

[One2Snoop]

LoL My husband says she sounds like Fran Drecsher on crack lol

We haven't had our daily dose of humor yet....

http://i36.tinypic.com/k2crh0.jpg
Susan Moss

[beachbum]

I suppose it would depend on what kind of fly it is. We studied drosophila in my biology lab 150 years ago. Anyway:

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/corpse_fauna/flies/life_cycle.htm

Thanks for your help.

[deputydi]

We haven't had our daily dose of humor yet....

http://i36.tinypic.com/k2crh0.jpg
Susan Moss
What a lovely picture. I never thought of it before, but she really does sound like Fran Drescher on crack. LOL.

[applesandorange]

We haven't had our daily dose of humor yet....

http://i36.tinypic.com/k2crh0.jpg
Susan Moss


LMAO!!! Just look at that face!! I can hear that screechy voice just looking at her. I'll be she wins lots of cases as the jurors are like just shut up already. Hee hee :biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

I can't help but wonder why Dr. Kobelinski (sp) talks about the case on NG - he's useless at this point if he's working for the defense. JMO

[One2Snoop]

What is it that we are all going to understand? Why her conscienceless daughter was filmed half dressed and obviously drunk at a party during the period of time she should have been worried sick that her baby had been kidnapped? How about why she lied over and over and over to LE whose only mission was to find her missing baby? Maybe we'll understand why she felt the need to steal money from her "best friend", her grandparents, and her own parents who provided a roof over her head. Oh, wait -- I'll bet we will finally understand why Casey waited 31 days before she told ANYONE her daughter was missing!!
Seems to me that Casey has a whole lot of 'splaining to do.

Do you think this is when Baez will produce the script? LOL

[applesandorange]

I can't help but wonder why Dr. Kobelinski (sp) talks about the case on NG - he's useless at this point if he's working for the defense. JMO

IKWYM. He is only good for one thing anymore and that's annoying me with all his sidestepping answers or giving information that wasn't asked.

[applesandorange]

What is it that we are all going to understand? Why her conscienceless daughter was filmed half dressed and obviously drunk at a party during the period of time she should have been worried sick that her baby had been kidnapped? How about why she lied over and over and over to LE whose only mission was to find her missing baby? Maybe we'll understand why she felt the need to steal money from her "best friend", her grandparents, and her own parents who provided a roof over her head. Oh, wait -- I'll bet we will finally understand why Casey waited 31 days before she told ANYONE her daughter was missing!!

Seems to me that Casey has a whole lot of 'splaining to do.


Exactly!! I don't see what bombshell Baez thinks he has. We are all immune to Casey's lies. There is nothing they can say that could possibly explain all of her bad behaviors away.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're 150 years old? :eek: Mind passing your secret along? :biggrin:

LMFAO Actually, I'm 169. I took that class when I was nineteen. But I don't look a day over 168.

Unfortunately, my voice sounds like Susan Moss on crack. :eek::hat::beer:

[One2Snoop]

LMAO!!! Just look at that face!! I can hear that screechy voice just looking at her. I'll be she wins lots of cases as the jurors are like just shut up already. Hee hee :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGv9bWBwYI&feature=related

[applesandorange]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGv9bWBwYI&feature=related

LMAO!! Exactly!!

[applesandorange]

LMFAO Actually, I'm 169. I took that class when I was nineteen. But I don't look a day over 168.

Unfortunately, my voice sounds like Susan Moss on crack. :eek::hat::beer:

LOL!! Good one :beer:

[mu8shark]

I am so frustrated with watching George. Yesterday i felt such a twinge of sympathy for him and I thought he was coming around. Today I see him saying she is out there alive and they are watching the real kidnappers. It is like he leaves that house and comes to his senses , then goes back to that house and aliens use a butt probe on him and reprogram him. I just give up. Pardon my whacked sense of humour , but he is just hard to watch.

[beachbum]

I suppose it would depend on what kind of fly it is. We studied drosophila in my biology lab 150 years ago. Anyway:

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/corpse_fauna/flies/life_cycle.htm

Loretta this is a good site to go to about the fly. Interesting.

[applesandorange]

I am so frustrated with watching George. Yesterday i felt such a twinge of sympathy for him and I thought he was coming around. Today I see him saying she is out there alive and they are watching the real kidnappers. It is like he leaves that house and comes to his senses , then goes back to that house and aliens use a butt probe on him and reprogram him. I just give up. Pardon my whacked sense of humour , but he is just hard to watch.

I hear ya. I feel the same way. Yesterday I was saying how I thought he had finally accepted things for what they were. I thought for sure he had finally come to his senses. Today I go and see that new video and thought pulease! He is back to being stupid. Like I said before atleast he has helped LE so he's not AS BAD as Cindy.

[mu8shark]

IKWYM. He is only good for one thing anymore and that's annoying me with all his sidestepping answers or giving information that wasn't asked.About Kobe, since he is working for the defense and Nancy knows it , why doesn't she get an expert who can be objective so we can learn something. He immediately tried to deny there was maggots saying there was no time for the flies to change into maggots or whatever. Now, look that is just annoying, George and Cindy both mentioned the maggots as well as the tow yard manager who by the way has no angle. I saw it in his interview . So he is just being annoying. She needs to quit fooling with him and let the viewers have the benefit of someone whose knowledge is not spinned. There were maggots! Even the police mentioned them in the documents.

[One2Snoop]

I am so frustrated with watching George. Yesterday i felt such a twinge of sympathy for him and I thought he was coming around. Today I see him saying she is out there alive and they are watching the real kidnappers. It is like he leaves that house and comes to his senses , then goes back to that house and aliens use a butt probe on him and reprogram him. I just give up. Pardon my whacked sense of humour , but he is just hard to watch.

It is frustrating and you hit the nail on the head - perfect description! :beer:

[applesandorange]

About Kobe, since he is working for the defense and Nancy knows it , why doesn't she get an expert who can be objective so we can learn something. He immediately tried to deny there was maggots saying there was no time for the flies to change into maggots or whatever. Now, look that is just annoying, George and Cindy both mentioned the maggots as well as the tow yard manager who by the way has no angle. I saw it in his interview . So he is just being annoying. She needs to quit fooling with him and let the viewers have the benefit of someone whose knowledge is not spinned. There were maggots! Even the police mentioned them in the documents.

Good post! I agree. It's a waste of time to have Kobe on anymore. She needs to get a new expert. I am still shocked that he is working for the defense to begin with.

[mu8shark]

Speaking of the maggots, when this case first released the 400 documents I went through most of them and saw that they had indeed seized the bag from the tow yard trash. I did some research online and discovered that when maggots feed on something, you can sometimes do a dna test to see what it is that they were eating, (I know it is gross and awful). I even posted the article on my site because we had some nonbelievers. If anybody wants to see it, I will be glad to fetch it and post it, and now after hearing Padilla mention the bag and the maggots, I am just wondering if this may be their ace in the hole. How in the world would you dispute that? By the way on Padilla, at first I did not like him, but I now think because of his own investigating he is a pretty sharp guy and seems to have lots of inside info. Nancy is smart to have him on. I wish she would ask him what Baez could possibly be talking about when he says that everyone will eventually understand. Because that just sounds like BS to me. Also, is it just my imagination but if there is a story, Casey will have to tell it, which means , gasp she will probably have to testify :eek:and she will get eaten alive up there. Sorry such a long post but lots of blabbing to do, thinking about lots of stuff in this case.!

[mu8shark]

Cindy wants us to believe Caylee was kidnapped. Yes children are kidnapped or taken but the parents usually do not react the way Casey did. They are usually very upset and distraught over it. They help assist the police and do whatever they can to provide information or whatever to help get them back. Casey hasnt done that at all. She was more like well Im finally free, bring on the booze and men, her lies of deceit, her betrayal of her friends. Those are actions of someone happy to be free and its all about ME now. Had Casey's actions been that of a distraught parent, we might have believed her story but Cindy that is WHY we cannot believe Casey or her stories. oh yes, IMO Exactly and here is the thing they gets me about them saying they are watching the real kidnappers.. Why would you not go straight to LE and have them burst in, I mean theoretically they could be raping, beating , torturing this child and if the real kidnappers heard on tv they were being watched they would probably try to kill her right away. This story the gps keep saying they are watching and waiting is just , it makes no sense.

[One2Snoop]

Speaking of the maggots, when this case first released the 400 documents I went through most of them and saw that they had indeed seized the bag from the tow yard trash. I did some research online and discovered that when maggots feed on something, you can sometimes do a dna test to see what it is that they were eating, (I know it is gross and awful). I even posted the article on my site because we had some nonbelievers. If anybody wants to see it, I will be glad to fetch it and post it, and now after hearing Padilla mention the bag and the maggots, I am just wondering if this may be their ace in the hole. How in the world would you dispute that? By the way on Padilla, at first I did not like him, but I now think because of his own investigating he is a pretty sharp guy and seems to have lots of inside info. Nancy is smart to have him on. I wish she would ask him what Baez could possibly be talking about when he says that everyone will eventually understand. Because that just sounds like BS to me. Also, is it just my imagination but if there is a story, Casey will have to tell it, which means , gasp she will probably have to testify :eek:and she will get eaten alive up there. Sorry such a long post but lots of blabbing to do, thinking about lots of stuff in this case.!

You're more than welcome to post your findings here - please feel free to start a new thread if you like. Thanks for sharing. :rose:

[mu8shark]

With all the evidence of HOW they know where to look... oh wait that's right her cell phone was stolen and she later somehow found it. Yeah I can see it all playing out or whoever she is going to blame for it borrowed her cell phone. It will be ANYONE else's fault but Casey's. Sorry if I posting replies to older posts but I am just catching up and you guys have so much good stuff on here. I said from day one when I heard that she "lost" or had her phone stolen, this was a ploy so when they find the body, she will say OMG I gave that phone to Jesse Grund or I dropped it at Blanchard Park, You watch!

[mu8shark]

You're more than welcome to post your findings here - please feel free to start a new thread if you like. Thanks for sharing. :rose: Okay should I start a new thread that says like info about dna and maggots, something like that? Also can I post the actual article . It is from a site online that does not mention copyright and also it is non profit.

[One2Snoop]

Exactly and here is the thing they gets me about them saying they are watching the real kidnappers.. Why would you not go straight to LE and have them burst in, I mean theoretically they could be raping, beating , torturing this child and if the real kidnappers heard on tv they were being watched they would probably try to kill her right away. This story the gps keep saying they are watching and waiting is just , it makes no sense.

In reality - we know there aren't any kidnappers and we also know they aren't living in reality right now. They're grasping for straws IMO, JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am so frustrated with watching George. Yesterday i felt such a twinge of sympathy for him and I thought he was coming around. Today I see him saying she is out there alive and they are watching the real kidnappers. It is like he leaves that house and comes to his senses , then goes back to that house and aliens use a butt probe on him and reprogram him. I just give up. Pardon my whacked sense of humour , but he is just hard to watch.

PWhipped comes to mind.

Maybe what we're supposed to finally understand is that Caylee was a hologram or something totally sci-fi. She can't be dead because she still lives in the Anthonys' minds.

Someone mentioned earlier that denial as one of the stages before acceptance. Isn't it time for the As to move to the next step?

[One2Snoop]

Okay should I start a new thread that says like info about dna and maggots, something like that? Also can I post the actual article . It is from a site online that does not mention copyright and also it is non profit.

Please start a new thread. I like it when we can keep specific info seperate and for easy reference.
You're more than welcome to post whatever you want as long as it isn't porn, advertisements or promoting your own website. This is in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.

Anyone here is welcome to start a new thread on a specific topic - we don't have to discuss everything in the general discussion thread. The only thread designated so far for no discussion is "news updates" and thats to make it easier for those who are looking to refer back to a specific date/article.

:patriot:

Gawd I sound bossy in this post! LOL :biggrin: Didn't mean to. :o

ETA: ooops - Timeline of events also has no discussion. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

Gawd I sound bossy in this post! LOL :biggrin: Didn't mean to. :o

Soooooo How many kids you got? Or is your hubby 61 going on 16?

[applesandorange]

PWhipped comes to mind.

Maybe what we're supposed to finally understand is that Caylee was a hologram or something totally sci-fi. She can't be dead because she still lives in the Anthonys' minds.

Someone mentioned earlier that denial as one of the stages before acceptance. Isn't it time for the As to move to the next step?

I think we are sharing brains today because earlier while listening to the newest interview with George I was thinking "of course Caylee's auro is around them, the spirit lives on" I was also thinking "she's alive in their hearts"

I also had the thought that this denial thing has gone on long enough they need to move on. I thought it was a mean though so I didn't post it lol.

So anyway if you're in my head what's the view like in there? You have plenty of space I'm sure lol. :hat:

[One2Snoop]

Soooooo How many kids you got? Or is your hubby 61 going on 16?

2 (female) billygoats -

Bahaaaaaa someone has to put him in his place! :punch:

[One2Snoop]

PWhipped comes to mind.

Maybe what we're supposed to finally understand is that Caylee was a hologram or something totally sci-fi. She can't be dead because she still lives in the Anthonys' minds.

Someone mentioned earlier that denial as one of the stages before acceptance. Isn't it time for the As to move to the next step?

Definitely agree Loretta. :beer:

I think we are sharing brains today because earlier while listening to the newest interview with George I was thinking "of course Caylee's auro is around them, the spirit lives on" I was also thinking "she's alive in their hearts"

I also had the thought that this denial thing has gone on long enough they need to move on. I thought it was a mean though so I didn't post it lol.

So anyway if you're in my head what's the view like in there? You have plenty of space I'm sure lol. :hat:

A&O - I watched Eli Stone for the first time last night - did you? :eek: :chicken:

[applesandorange]

Definitely agree Loretta. :beer:



A&O - I watched Eli Stone for the first time last night - did you? :eek: :chicken:

Nope I didn't see it. The only show I get to watch for me is NG. With 3 kids and a husband the tv is never mine. That's why I get the laptop so much lol. Last night I was at my sons football game until 10:00. Was Eli Stone any good?

[One2Snoop]

Nope I didn't see it. The only show I get to watch for me is NG. With 3 kids and a husband the tv is never mine. That's why I get the laptop so much lol. Last night I was at my sons football game until 10:00. Was Eli Stone any good?

Been there LOL - we only have one TV and thank god for DVR these days. I can record and watch after everyones gone to bed. We're bad in the computer department :punch: 3 desktops plus a laptop.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was a mean though so I didn't post it lol.

So anyway if you're in my head what's the view like in there? You have plenty of space I'm sure lol. :hat:

No worries. If it's mean, I'll post it for you. The view is great; so glad you have 20/20 vision!

2 (female) billygoats -

Bahaaaaaa someone has to put him in his place! :punch:

LMAO Just butt him out of the way! :punch:

[One2Snoop]

Nope I didn't see it. snip. Was Eli Stone any good?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2dm88i.gif a bit to strange for me LOL.

[mu8shark]

Please start a new thread. I like it when we can keep specific info seperate and for easy reference.
You're more than welcome to post whatever you want as long as it isn't porn, advertisements or promoting your own website. This is in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.

Anyone here is welcome to start a new thread on a specific topic - we don't have to discuss everything in the general discussion thread. The only thread designated so far for no discussion is "news updates" and thats to make it easier for those who are looking to refer back to a specific date/article.

:patriot:

Gawd I sound bossy in this post! LOL :biggrin: Didn't mean to. :o

ETA: ooops - Timeline of events also has no discussion. :) Okay here is what I did I started a thread titled Articles that could pertain to potential evidence. I posted the one about the dna and maggots, one about conclusions of post mortem hair banding and will bring two articles on cadaver dogs sent to me by a guy who I bugged during the S Peterson trial. Some of this info maybe has been in the past talked to death but it might be nice to have it handy during trial or leading up to it to see what can and can't be done. Hope people find it interesting as I do.! As evidence comes to light I will try to find further articles on other subjects that may relate to this case.

[applesandorange]

Okay here is what I did I started a thread titled Articles that could pertain to potential evidence. I posted the one about the dna and maggots, one about conclusions of post mortem hair banding and will bring two articles on cadaver dogs sent to me by a guy who I bugged during the S Peterson trial. Some of this info maybe has been in the past talked to death but it might be nice to have it handy during trial or leading up to it to see what can and can't be done. Hope people find it interesting as I do.! As evidence comes to light I will try to find further articles on other subjects that may relate to this case.

That's awesome! Thanks for doing that. All of that sounds so interesting and will help all of us I'm sure. I definitely want to take a look especially about the hair banding. Thanks again!!

[One2Snoop]

Okay here is what I did I started a thread titled Articles that could pertain to potential evidence. I posted the one about the dna and maggots, one about conclusions of post mortem hair banding and will bring two articles on cadaver dogs sent to me by a guy who I bugged during the S Peterson trial. Some of this info maybe has been in the past talked to death but it might be nice to have it handy during trial or leading up to it to see what can and can't be done. Hope people find it interesting as I do.! As evidence comes to light I will try to find further articles on other subjects that may relate to this case.

Excellent! and a big THANK YOU! :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Lee's behavior has puzzled me from the beginning. I believe Cindy is deep into denial, but Lee IMO knows way more than he is telling. Why would he discourage the family from taking a lie detector test unless he knew something? I don't believe he had anything to do with Caylee's death, but I am beginning to believe he may have been part of the cover up.

My heart went out to George when I saw his brief interview prior to his GJ appearance. I think he knows in his broken heart that Caylee is dead and his very own daughter had something to do with it. That has got to be the most difficult reality in this world to accept.

I think so too Deputy DI. and I started thinking it the time he called her in Jail and it was all in code. with 3 brothers I knew then and there he was privy to something more. George I feel so bad about because he was trained as an officer, got married and everything got real strange after that. I do not really think he does knows which way to turn except acting like a father, grandfather and cop. how can anyone do that in this situation????? IMO

[SaraSidle]

Okay here is what I did I started a thread titled Articles that could pertain to potential evidence. I posted the one about the dna and maggots, one about conclusions of post mortem hair banding and will bring two articles on cadaver dogs sent to me by a guy who I bugged during the S Peterson trial. Some of this info maybe has been in the past talked to death but it might be nice to have it handy during trial or leading up to it to see what can and can't be done. Hope people find it interesting as I do.! As evidence comes to light I will try to find further articles on other subjects that may relate to this case.

That is wonderful. thank you very very much sara

[mu8shark]

That's awesome! Thanks for doing that. All of that sounds so interesting and will help all of us I'm sure. I definitely want to take a look especially about the hair banding. Thanks again!!You are welcome. The one about the hair banding I could not post the whole article because it cost like 25.00 to retrieve it in full but the conclusions let you know it can be done and it has been done. I am sure it has been done in more than just those two cases it mentions but they cite the two cases.

[applesandorange]

Been there LOL - we only have one TV and thank god for DVR these days. I can record and watch after everyones gone to bed. We're bad in the computer department :punch: 3 desktops plus a laptop.

Well what ticks me off about it is that all 3 kids have t.v.s in their bedrooms but the big screen t.v. is the only one that has digital cable. All the rest just have regular cable. The big screen is in the living room. We have a desk top and a laptop computer. My 2 oldest kids are getting laptops for Christmas. I just can't phathom complaining about wanting to watch digital cable and HDTV instead of regular cable. That's what ticks me off. Ungreatful kids. When I was a kid I was just happy to have a t.v. in my bedroom KWIM?

[applesandorange]

You are welcome. The one about the hair banding I could not post the whole article because it cost like 25.00 to retrieve it in full but the conclusions let you know it can be done and it has been done. I am sure it has been done in more than just those two cases it mentions but they cite the two cases.

That's fine. Any information is better than what I have now which is nothing :beer: Thanks for your hard work.

[One2Snoop]

Well what ticks me off about it is that all 3 kids have t.v.s in their bedrooms but the big screen t.v. is the only one that has digital cable. All the rest just have regular cable. The big screen is in the living room. We have a desk top and a laptop computer. My 2 oldest kids are getting laptops for Christmas. I just can't phathom complaining about wanting to watch digital cable and HDTV instead of regular cable. That's what ticks me off. Ungreatful kids. When I was a kid I was just happy to have a t.v. in my bedroom KWIM?

Got it! :beer: Grew up with only one TV in the house until I bought my own.

If I were you, I'd get DVR - AT&T used to offer free conversion but I guess that depends on where you live - its not that expensive and you can record tv/movies etc and skip all the commercials. Comcast also has that option.

Just think - I can watch Nancy Grace in 25 mintues instead of 60 and I can even skip over Susan Moss if I want too! How great is that? wooohooo! Now thats worth cheering about IMO ~ LOL. :beer:

[SaraSidle]

I can't help but wonder why Dr. Kobelinski (sp) talks about the case on NG - he's useless at this point if he's working for the defense. JMO

I wonder if it isn't a bit conflicting and not appropriate if legal...........

[One2Snoop]

You are welcome. The one about the hair banding I could not post the whole article because it cost like 25.00 to retrieve it in full but the conclusions let you know it can be done and it has been done. I am sure it has been done in more than just those two cases it mentions but they cite the two cases.

Personally I'd never pay for an article, regardless of the case unless it involved something personally in my own life.
This article, no doubt, IMO, is on someones website - it just a matter of finding it.

If you give the title of the article etc.... I'm sure one of our snoopy friends here can find it in one piece for you.

Just curious but whats the name of the website that wants to charge you for the article?

[applesandorange]

Got it! :beer: Grew up with only one TV in the house until I bought my own.

If I were you, I'd get DVR - AT&T used to offer free conversion but I guess that depends on where you live - its not that expensive and you can record tv/movies etc and skip all the commercials. Comcast also has that option.

Just think - I can watch Nancy Grace in 25 mintues instead of 60 and I can even skip over Susan Moss if I want too! How great is that? wooohooo! Now thats worth cheering about IMO ~ LOL. :beer:

That is great!! I have Comcast. I'll have to check into it. Oh yeah I think it's in the options screen if you click the menu button. DUH!! I've only ever used it to put On Demand on. Thanks for telling me.

[SaraSidle]

Uh huh that's what he said all right. I want so badly for Cindy to be charged with obstruction. Or at least have her mouth duct taped.

Lorreta you and your duck tape.......where were you 3 weeks ago!!!!!!!!! LOL

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if it isn't a bit conflicting and not appropriate if legal...........

I would think its not legal and I wonder why Nancy Grace hasn't called him on it? :eek: Thats what I find confusing. :shrug: :confused:

Did we just both ask the same question? LOL :tongue:

[applesandorange]

The newest update to the Anthony Myspace page.

Help Find Caylee: Weekly Updates (October 11-18)




"This is going to be very hard for me to do. The focus has always been on my granddaughter and always will be. I love my daughter, I love my wife, I love my son. I want everyone to have prayer for all of us today, especially for my granddaughter. If someone could take a moment out at 11 o'clock this morning and 11 o'clock tonight and just pray for her. That's all I'm asking for. That's all I can say." – George Anthony




"Caylee Marie is still missing and we want her home," despite today's very difficult and public events surrounding the circumstances leading to Caylee's disappearance, our focus is still on bringing her home.





Once again our location for the volunteer command center has been uprooted due to unforeseen circumstances beyond our control. This has without a doubt been very difficult for the volunteers, the families, and most importantly ALL of the Children that the volunteer center continues to bring awareness to. The volunteer center has not only been a place to bring awareness to the search for Caylee but to all of the children (and even some adults) that we're still looking for each and every day. The volunteer command center location will be posted on this site later in the week.





We encourage you to please get the flyer out in your communities. Caylee Marie has always been the focus and the search for her shall continue. We ask you to delete any and all sites promoting themselves as part of our family (as they are not), sites that are asking for donations in Caylee's name (they are illegal and are not approved by our legal team), and most importantly for every publication you read not reporting the facts (like the rags) or website blogs you join and contribute to you are supporting their beliefs and are not supporting the search for Caylee Marie; we ask you think before you read, join, or buy into any of these ideals.





For those asking questions or sending personal messages to any of the Anthony family members, they are receiving your correspondence and all responses back to you that come from this site are from them personally. The sites listed below are the ONLY Official Help Find Caylee websites and are administered from George and Cindy and the Help Find Caylee Search Team. If you have questions, please contact us but please know of the thousands of sites out there with Caylee's name, they are in no way associated with the Anthony family. Any sites that appear in bad taste towards the disappearance of Caylee are without a doubt NO part to the search for Caylee and we do not endorse these sites or the people funding them.



The Anthony's and our entire Help Find Caylee Search Team have all appreciated the comments, cards, and nice calls many of you have made over the last few months. To reiterate our posting from last week, only positive reflections and support will be posted on our site from the supporters who continue to help us look for Caylee; your continued prayers and support in helping us bring Caylee home are all we ask.

[SaraSidle]

I would think its not legal and I wonder why Nancy Grace hasn't called him on it? :eek: Thats what I find confusing. :shrug: :confused:

Did we just both ask the same question? LOL :tongue:

I believe we did ask it in different ways. LO I wondered it for weeks now. Why does Baez even let him do it? Could that even cost them suppression of evidence that he has spilling on NG? IMO

[SaraSidle]

LMFAO Actually, I'm 169. I took that class when I was nineteen. But I don't look a day over 168.

Unfortunately, my voice sounds like Susan Moss on crack. :eek::hat::beer:

Even more intersting Loretta. Does the crack help or hurt the voice?

[mu8shark]

I believe we did ask it in different ways. LO I wondered it for weeks now. Why does Baez even let him do it? Could that even cost them suppression of evidence that he has spilling on NG? IMOI think this is Baez's way of discrediting the evidence, like getting Kobe to say oh that may not be valid or that may not be this or that. Hoping a jury pool will hear it, I see on other sites , people already quoting Kobe , like he has already seen the evidence and is pooh poohing, which of course is not true, he has not had time, so Nancy needs to wise up.

[SaraSidle]

I think this is Baez's way of discrediting the evidence, like getting Kobe to say oh that may not be valid or that may not be this or that. Hoping a jury pool will hear it, I see on other sites , people already quoting Kobe , like he has already seen the evidence and is pooh poohing, which of course is not true, he has not had time, so Nancy needs to wise up.

Earlier when he was not testifying for the defense he was a lot more detailed and now he just seems to flub everything up..............IMO

[mu8shark]

I heard Cindy say that she thinks they have enough evidence to exonerate Casey . But if she thinks the judge will let the defense team introduce 50 different unsubstantiated tips , she is wrong, they will want a foundation for those tips showing they have validity. I think she thinks they can get in the court room and say, "There is this guy, a burrito vendor from Mexico, and this lady from Puerto Rico named Hernandez called and then there is the lady from the next county who saw Caylee at Baby Gap." and it is not going to work that way. They have to have solid evidence, not some wild goose chase.

[mu8shark]

Earlier when he was not testifying for the defense he was a lot more detailed and now he just seems to flub everything up..............IMOAt the very least it is unprofessional once you are hired and extremely risky. What if he says one thing at trial and then he previously said something completely different on NG? The prosecution can use that, like once you are testifying for money you change your theory, eh Mr Koblinsky? Dumb

[applesandorange]

I heard Cindy say that she thinks they have enough evidence to exonerate Casey . But if she thinks the judge will let the defense team introduce 50 different unsubstantiated tips , she is wrong, they will want a foundation for those tips showing they have validity. I think she thinks they can get in the court room and say, "There is this guy, a burrito vendor from Mexico, and this lady from Puerto Rico named Hernandez called and then there is the lady from the next county who saw Caylee at Baby Gap." and it is not going to work that way. They have to have solid evidence, not some wild goose chase.

That's right. They will want PROOF. The Anthony's don't have any. IF they did Casey would not be sitting in jail right now. The Anthony's are going on what they want to believe. Unfortunately what they WANT to belive and the TRUTH are two very different things.

[SaraSidle]

At the very least it is unprofessional once you are hired and extremely risky. What if he says one thing at trial and then he previously said something completely different on NG? The prosecution can use that, like once you are testifying for money you change your theory, eh Mr Koblinsky? Dumb

Yes this is why I am surprised the DNA keeps letting that guy talk on NG. He is obvioulsy playing / or very naive. I wonder if Juan would consider this could be hurting his case. IMO

[mu8shark]

I have a question about what Leonard Padilla said about the purchase of the pizza on the 19th. Did he mean that pizza was purchased on the 19th of June or July? Maybe I am getting confused. If it is June then Casey was definitely dead by that date probably much sooner. And it suggests that Caylee's body was in the trunk for a while. I had thought or my theory was Casey put the body in the backyard for a few days and then went back and got it on the 18th when she borrowed the shovel. Maybe it smelled I guess and it gave her idea to put a pizza or the remains of a pizza back there to say the pizza smelled. Also when Cindy said the car did not smell until it got to the tow yard, Casey has completed screwed the pooch on that with her earlier text messages to her friends about the smell of the squirrels. She really messed up that theory, huh?

[One2Snoop]

At the very least it is unprofessional once you are hired and extremely risky. What if he says one thing at trial and then he previously said something completely different on NG? The prosecution can use that, like once you are testifying for money you change your theory, eh Mr Koblinsky? Dumb

Exactly - a million thumbs up on this post.

So my question goes out to NG since I know she knows better - whats up with this situation? :punch:

[applesandorange]

I have a question about what Leonard Padilla said about the purchase of the pizza on the 19th. Did he mean that pizza was purchased on the 19th of June or July? Maybe I am getting confused. If it is June then Casey was definitely dead by that date probably much sooner. And it suggests that Caylee's body was in the trunk for a while. I had thought or my theory was Casey put the body in the backyard for a few days and then went back and got it on the 18th when she borrowed the shovel. Maybe it smelled I guess and it gave her idea to put a pizza or the remains of a pizza back there to say the pizza smelled. Also when Cindy said the car did not smell until it got to the tow yard, Casey has completed screwed the pooch on that with her earlier text messages to her friends about the smell of the squirrels. She really messed up that theory, huh?


Nice catch! I hadn't even thought about that. Good thinking.

[One2Snoop]

I have a question about what Leonard Padilla said about the purchase of the pizza on the 19th. Did he mean that pizza was purchased on the 19th of June or July? Maybe I am getting confused. If it is June then Casey was definitely dead by that date probably much sooner. And it suggests that Caylee's body was in the trunk for a while. I had thought or my theory was Casey put the body in the backyard for a few days and then went back and got it on the 18th when she borrowed the shovel. Maybe it smelled I guess and it gave her idea to put a pizza or the remains of a pizza back there to say the pizza smelled. Also when Cindy said the car did not smell until it got to the tow yard, Casey has completed screwed the pooch on that with her earlier text messages to her friends about the smell of the squirrels. She really messed up that theory, huh?

Transcript from NG this evening - the car was picked up July 30th? Please correct me thanks...

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I think -- I think what they`ve got is, they`ve got the bag that the gentleman at the yard threw over the fence, and then one of the detectives, God bless him, went over there that night and retrieved the bag. And they have found body evidence on the outside of the bag, which had pizza leftovers on the inside. And on the outside, there was maggots. And I think your Dr. Kobilinsky would tell you that maggots would not -- I don`t believe feed on pizza. But on the outside of the bag, there were maggots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/ng.01.html



Thanks to odette for posting the updates! :seeya:

[mu8shark]

Exactly - a million thumbs up on this post.

So my question goes out to NG since I know she knows better - whats up with this situation? :punch: Well Nancy likes to argue. Sometimes I like her a lot but sometimes her style can be kind of nasty, as in Nasty Grace. Lately she has been better but there are times when her sarcasm gets to me. But I wonder if she will get fed up with him and find someone more objective even if she thinks her and Lawrence arguing is good tv. LOL. Time to hit the hay , the dogs are already asleep! Nite all

[minga]

Two things. First, If Baez doesn't have the experience to try this case why did he take it on? Trying to make a name for himself? That's not in the best interest of his client. Anyone with half a brain knew this was going to come down to a murder charge. Is he hoping that someone will step in and he can assist to gain trial experience? It's established he doesn't have the hours or even trial experience.

Second thing. Everyone is different in the stages of grief and acceptance. The timing is never the same for anyone and different circumstances bring different reactions. I've stated before in some of the pages way back that they needed to see reality and get on with it, that clearly Casey got rid of Caylee. But getting in touch with my own realities (and it's easy to forget sometimes) I'm backing up on their inability to see the truth. Without a body it's almost impossible to realize that death is reality, sometimes it's also necessary to keep the illusion of life because if not the mind will crack, not everyone is mentally strong. Seeing a body makes it real. I can understand how George vacillates in his realities. Never seeing a body always leaves that little nagging doubt that maybe "somewhere out there"... a little like a fantasy Disney theme that may never go away.

I have a feeling that the Anthony's may never fully accept it because I do not believe that they are ever going to see Caylee's remains, if found. I do know that not seeing the body makes it difficult for the heart and mind to believe or accept. Plus the fact that it's only been about 5 months. Sometimes it takes reality much, much longer than 5 months to set in. When it does...if it does, it's going to be really bad for them. When there are no more illusions the facade begins to crack rapidly. And public exposure, witnesses to the emotion, pain and and the horrors of acceptance must be a truly horrible thing. I would not want someone to capture and record for all of eternity my breaking point beyond emotional endurance, my agony for all the world to see.

This is totally more than I meant to say, but I can see how they cling to hope blindly and foolishly. It's really easy to do. It's easier than facing the truth. The truth is an agony beyond comprehension.

Not preaching, not judging them or anyone, just a little pensive and reflective tonight. I don't think they have much time left to entertain illusions.

[mu8shark]

Transcript from NG this evening - the car was picked up July 30th? Please correct me thanks...

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I think -- I think what they`ve got is, they`ve got the bag that the gentleman at the yard threw over the fence, and then one of the detectives, God bless him, went over there that night and retrieved the bag. And they have found body evidence on the outside of the bag, which had pizza leftovers on the inside. And on the outside, there was maggots. And I think your Dr. Kobilinsky would tell you that maggots would not -- I don`t believe feed on pizza. But on the outside of the bag, there were maggots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/ng.01.html

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Thanks to odette for posting the updates! :seeya:Thanks and here is the part about the purchase of the pizzaPADILLA: That`s correct. Quote: Leonard Padilla The pizza was purchased the AM of the 19th. And instead of being dumped in the dumpster the following day, it was placed in the trunk of the car. The speculation is, it was placed there to mask what was already starting to be an odor in the trunk of the car. So that`s the speculation. But there was definitely body fluids on the outside of the bag

[minga]

Transcript from NG this evening - the car was picked up July 30th? Please correct me thanks...

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I think -- I think what they`ve got is, they`ve got the bag that the gentleman at the yard threw over the fence, and then one of the detectives, God bless him, went over there that night and retrieved the bag. And they have found body evidence on the outside of the bag, which had pizza leftovers on the inside. And on the outside, there was maggots. And I think your Dr. Kobilinsky would tell you that maggots would not -- I don`t believe feed on pizza. But on the outside of the bag, there were maggots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/ng.01.html



Thanks to odette for posting the updates! :seeya:


Why ITH would the man from the tow yard throw a bag from the car over the fence? :eek: Wouldn't the first thought be to call LE? How could he presume to take something from a car and dispose of it? :shrug: That kind of blows my mind, what little is left. Doesn't add up to me.

[applesandorange]

Transcript from NG this evening - the car was picked up July 30th? Please correct me thanks...

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I think -- I think what they`ve got is, they`ve got the bag that the gentleman at the yard threw over the fence, and then one of the detectives, God bless him, went over there that night and retrieved the bag. And they have found body evidence on the outside of the bag, which had pizza leftovers on the inside. And on the outside, there was maggots. And I think your Dr. Kobilinsky would tell you that maggots would not -- I don`t believe feed on pizza. But on the outside of the bag, there were maggots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/ng.01.html



Thanks to odette for posting the updates! :seeya:


No. I had thought it was picked up June 30th.

[applesandorange]

Why ITH would the man from the tow yard throw a bag from the car over the fence? :eek: Wouldn't the first thought be to call LE? How could he presume to take something from a car and dispose of it? :shrug: That kind of blows my mind, what little is left. Doesn't add up to me.

I don't know but Cindy seen that bag because she has since talked about the bag full of pizza and maggots. Maybe she gave the guy permission to dispose of the bag. She was the title owner of the car and would have right to do that.

[applesandorange]

Okay I'm piecing things together here. Correct me if I get something wrong. June 16th is the last time anyone sees Caylee. June 19th Casey purchases pizza. June 27th the lady at Amscot recalls seeing the car parked there and she says they wait 3 days until the 30th to get it towed.

If that's the correct time frame Caylee was already dead on the 19th.

ETA: What was the date that the shovel was borrowed?

[minga]

I don't know but Cindy seen that bag because she has since talked about the bag full of pizza and maggots. Maybe she gave the guy permission to dispose of the bag. She was the title owner of the car and would have right to do that.

That's probably how it was. But I thought I remembered the tow guy saying he smelled the decomposition as well. Decomposition sure ain't dried Pizza in a bag.

[lorettalockhorn]

Two things. First, If Baez doesn't have the experience to try this case why did he take it on? Trying to make a name for himself? That's not in the best interest of his client. Anyone with half a brain knew this was going to come down to a murder charge. Is he hoping that someone will step in and he can assist to gain trial experience? It's established he doesn't have the hours or even trial experience.

Second thing. Everyone is different in the stages of grief and acceptance. The timing is never the same for anyone and different circumstances bring different reactions. I've stated before in some of the pages way back that they needed to see reality and get on with it, that clearly Casey got rid of Caylee. But getting in touch with my own realities (and it's easy to forget sometimes) I'm backing up on their inability to see the truth. Without a body it's almost impossible to realize that death is reality, sometimes it's also necessary to keep the illusion of life because if not the mind will crack, not everyone is mentally strong. Seeing a body makes it real. I can understand how George vacillates in his realities. Never seeing a body always leaves that little nagging doubt that maybe "somewhere out there"... a little like a fantasy Disney theme that may never go away.

I have a feeling that the Anthony's may never fully accept it because I do not believe that they are ever going to see Caylee's remains, if found. I do know that not seeing the body makes it difficult for the heart and mind to believe or accept. Plus the fact that it's only been about 5 months. Sometimes it takes reality much, much longer than 5 months to set in. When it does...if it does, it's going to be really bad for them. When there are no more illusions the facade begins to crack rapidly. And public exposure, witnesses to the emotion, pain and and the horrors of acceptance must be a truly horrible thing. I would not want someone to capture and record for all of eternity my breaking point beyond emotional endurance, my agony for all the world to see.

This is totally more than I meant to say, but I can see how they cling to hope blindly and foolishly. It's really easy to do. It's easier than facing the truth. The truth is an agony beyond comprehension.

Not preaching, not judging them or anyone, just a little pensive and reflective tonight. I don't think they have much time left to entertain illusions.

Great post, minga! RE: Baez; it's possible that he never thought that Casey would be indicted (maybe he believes her story), or maybe he never believed that the indictment would be on a capital crime. :shrug:

RE: The Anthonys reality or view of it; you're absolutely right that it's impossible for us to place our standards on their grieving processes. Some of us are simply more pragmatic and realistic than others, and none of us have lost Caylee in the same way that they have. We can sympathize, but we can't truly empathize. That said, it is exactly George's vacillation that confounds me.

[mu8shark]

I don't know but Cindy seen that bag because she has since talked about the bag full of pizza and maggots. Maybe she gave the guy permission to dispose of the bag. She was the title owner of the car and would have right to do that. I reread the tow truck guys statement, only he and George actually walked out to the car itself, in fact George apologized then for Cindy *****ing about the cost of the tow and store., when he and George left the office without Cindy The tow owner I think was not thinking and pitched it. George did not say to pitch it or not. I think George probably said to Cindy on the way home, there was pizza in the bag and it was covered with maggots. Cindy could not have seen the bag unless she went back. to the tow yard. I think she just relayed what George told her, that is my feeling. You are correct the car was towed the 30th of June.

[applesandorange]

That's probably how it was. But I thought I remembered the tow guy saying he smelled the decomposition as well. Decomposition sure ain't dried Pizza in a bag.

I'm not arguing the fact that there was decomp in the trunk and on the bag what I was saying is that nobody probably thought that's what it really was. They had the owner of the car there and she gave them no reason to believe the smell was decomp. Unless Cindy told them her daughter had been using the car they would not have known anyone but Cindy was driving it. The car probably smelled bad and when they opened it they found that bag full of pizza and maggots. Cindy is standing right there saying that's where that smell is coming from. The guy asks permission to dispose of it and Cindy agrees. At that point nobody had any reason to believe that smell was decomp from a little girl. Nobody but LE who went and collected that bag thank God.

[minga]

Great post, minga! RE: Baez; it's possible that he never thought that Casey would be indicted (maybe he believes her story), or maybe he never believed that the indictment would be on a capital crime. :shrug:

RE: The Anthonys reality or view of it; you're absolutely right that it's impossible for us to place our standards on their grieving processes. Some of us are simply more pragmatic and realistic than others, and none of us have lost Caylee in the same way that they have. We can sympathize, but we can't truly empathize. That said, it is exactly George's vacillation that confounds me.


I think George vacillates between the two extremes when he's with Cindy and without. I believe that she greatly influences his reasoning with her hammering that Casey is innocent, when he clearly knows what he knows, but Cindy hammers that doubt into him. Just my opinion.

It's like thoughts in the daytime as opposed to thoughts in the nighttime. In the great dark of the soul you know, but when the sun is shining, hope springs back into place without something to bring you to a sobering reality that you can't run away from anymore. That may not make sense to anyone but me.

[mu8shark]

That's probably how it was. But I thought I remembered the tow guy saying he smelled the decomposition as well. Decomposition sure ain't dried Pizza in a bag. The tow yard manager actually had smelled it a bit earlier when the car was locked as he got curious but never of course opened the door. At that time he thought gee maybe that is garbage. However, when George opened the car and the trunk he turned to George and told him the story of the car brought in a while back where a man had commited suicide and been in the car for five days before he was found by police. He told George this story and told George the smell was the same and George did not say a word. Then he, the tow guy threw the bag over the fence into dumpster. So yeah good memory on your part the tow yard manager did smell it and his testimony will be important i BET

[applesandorange]

I reread the tow truck guys statement, only he and George actually walked out to the car itself, in fact George apologized then for Cindy *****ing about the cost of the tow and store., when he and George left the office without Cindy The tow owner I think was not thinking and pitched it. George did not say to pitch it or not. I think George probably said to Cindy on the way home, there was pizza in the bag and it was covered with maggots. Cindy could not have seen the bag unless she went back. to the tow yard. I think she just relayed what George told her, that is my feeling. You are correct the car was towed the 30th of June.

Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I never read that statement. I was just guessing at what happened because of what Cindy was saying. Either way though I don't think the tow guy had any reason to believe it was decomp at that point. It was trash and it stank so he threw it out. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I'm piecing things together here. Correct me if I get something wrong. June 16th is the last time anyone sees Caylee. June 19th Casey purchases pizza. June 27th the lady at Amscot recalls seeing the car parked there and she says they wait 3 days until the 30th to get it towed.

If that's the correct time frame Caylee was already dead on the 19th.

ETA: What was the date that the shovel was borrowed?

6/18. The ID timeline of events:

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/june15-june21/june15-june21.html

[applesandorange]

I think George vacillates between the two extremes when he's with Cindy and without. I believe that she greatly influences his reasoning with her hammering that Casey is innocent, when he clearly knows what he knows, but Cindy hammers that doubt into him. Just my opinion.

It's like thoughts in the daytime as opposed to thoughts in the nighttime. In the great dark of the soul you know, but when the sun is shining, hope springs back into place without something to bring you to a sobering reality that you can't run away from anymore. That may not make sense to anyone but me.

I agree. That makes total sense. Cindy might even make George feel guilty for thinking negatively.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think George vacillates between the two extremes when he's with Cindy and without. I believe that she greatly influences his reasoning with her hammering that Casey is innocent, when he clearly knows what he knows, but Cindy hammers that doubt into him. Just my opinion.

It's like thoughts in the daytime as opposed to thoughts in the nighttime. In the great dark of the soul you know, but when the sun is shining, hope springs back into place without something to bring you to a sobering reality that you can't run away from anymore. That may not make sense to anyone but me.

Makes perfect sense. What I don't understand is why he would allow himself to be manipulated.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9131821]The ID timeline of events:

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/june15-june21/june15-june21.html[/QUOTE All your times are correct and the shovel was borrowed the 18th. I think she buried her in the backyard on the 18th, I do. The police believe Caylee was in the backyard for a time, I think she thought, move the body and no more smell, (which is wrong because that smell stays for a long time ) So she is frstrated on the 19th and buys a pizza and puts the box and some of the pizza back there thinking it will either mask the smell or it will be a great excuse if someone smells it, she can say see it is this pizza. Also the flurry of phone calls to her parents is on the 18t.Was she checking to make sure Mom and Dad were not around while she temporarily buried that body. ?Maybe when George catches her in the garage she had went back and got the body.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree. That makes total sense. Cindy might even make George feel guilty for thinking negatively.

Negative thinking is one thing. Confronting reality is another. Cindy strikes me as being emotionally abusive. She must be a real harridan to live with.

[applesandorange]

6/18. The ID timeline of events:

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/june15-june21/june15-june21.html

Thank you. Okay so the last time anyone sees Caylee is June 16th. Something either happens to her that day or the 17th because on the 17th the Anthony's find the pool ladder down. IMO Casey was going to stage a drowing but like LP said it didn't work because instead of floating, Caylee sank. Casey then puts Caylee in the playhouse to hide her. On the 18th Casey goes back and borrows a shovel from the neighbor. She starts to dig, thus the ground that the Anthony's pointed out as being disturbed. She quickly realizes she cannot dig a large enough hole to bury Caylee. She moves Caylee's body out of the playhouse and just puts her in the sandbox for a minute while she gets a trash bag or does something. She washes and returns the shovel, backs the car up to the garage and reloads Caylee into it. Now she doesn't know what she's going to do. Caylee's body remains in the trunk and really starts to stink. On the morning of the 19th Casey buys pizza and puts the remainder in the trunk to cover the smell. Sometime berween the 19th and the 27th Casey scopes out different areas to find where she wants to dispose of Caylee. She disposes of Caylee and calls Amy to say the smell is gone. On the 27th she figures she can't get that smell out of the car so she dumps it at the Amscot.

[mu8shark]

Negative thinking is one thing. Confronting reality is another. Cindy strikes me as being emotionally abusive. She must be a real harridan to live with.OMG I can't believe you used that word harridan, I called her that on another board a while back. Yea, I think both Casey and Cindy seem controlling, vindictive and self centered. JMO

[minga]

Makes perfect sense. What I don't understand is why he would allow himself to be manipulated.

I don't really know, except that for some people it's easier to just go along than it is to make waves. I imagine Cindy could make it unpleasant.

Change is hard for some people and they don't want things different. Maybe he's afraid of being alone too. Could be any number of reasons.

[applesandorange]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9131821]The ID timeline of events:

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/june15-june21/june15-june21.html[/QUOTE All your times are correct and the shovel was borrowed the 18th. I think she buried her in the backyard on the 18th, I do. The police believe Caylee was in the backyard for a time, I think she thought, move the body and no more smell, (which is wrong because that smell stays for a long time ) So she is frstrated on the 19th and buys a pizza and puts the box and some of the pizza back there thinking it will either mask the smell or it will be a great excuse if someone smells it, she can say see it is this pizza. Also the flurry of phone calls to her parents is on the 18t.Was she checking to make sure Mom and Dad were not around while she temporarily buried that body. ?Maybe when George catches her in the garage she had went back and got the body.


Nice thinking. It could have been the 18th that she either buried her or went back and recovered the body. Meaning maybe she was put there the 17th when they found the pool ladder down.

[applesandorange]

I don't really know, except that for some people it's easier to just go along than it is to make waves. I imagine Cindy could make it unpleasant.

Change is hard for some people and they don't want things different. Maybe he's afraid of being alone too. Could be any number of reasons.

Also some people get so used to being controlled and abused that they begin to believe what the abuser is telling them so they actually hang onto the abuser and go along with them for fear that they aren't able to be without them.

[mu8shark]

Thank you. Okay so the last time anyone sees Caylee is June 16th. Something either happens to her that day or the 17th because on the 17th the Anthony's find the pool ladder down. IMO Casey was going to stage a drowing but like LP said it didn't work because instead of floating, Caylee sank. Casey then puts Caylee in the playhouse to hide her. On the 18th Casey goes back and borrows a shovel from the neighbor. She starts to dig, thus the ground that the Anthony's pointed out as being disturbed. She quickly realizes she cannot dig a large enough hole to bury Caylee. She moves Caylee's body out of the playhouse and just puts her in the sandbox for a minute while she gets a trash bag or does something. She washes and returns the shovel, backs the car up to the garage and reloads Caylee into it. Now she doesn't know what she's going to do. Caylee's body remains in the trunk and really starts to stink. On the morning of the 19th Casey buys pizza and puts the remainder in the trunk to cover the smell. Sometime berween the 19th and the 27th Casey scopes out different areas to find where she wants to dispose of Caylee. She disposes of Caylee and calls Amy to say the smell is gone. On the 27th she figures she can't get that smell out of the car so she dumps it at the Amscot.That sounds totally plausible because if she left the body there for any length of time the dogs that the Anthonys have would go nuts. Even untrained dogs would scratch and dig and all that at a dead body,so you are probably right but what do you think she was hiding when she goes back on the 24th and her and George get into a scrap about the gas cans, was she hiding the smell or the body itself.?

[applesandorange]

That sounds totally plausible because if she left the body there for any length of time the dogs that the Anthonys have would go nuts. Even untrained dogs would scratch and dig and all that at a dead body,so you are probably right but what do you think she was hiding when she goes back on the 24th and her and George get into a scrap about the gas cans, was she hiding the smell or the body itself.?


She very well could have been hiding the body itself. I'm not up to date on the cell phone pings and dates. If the dates of the cell phone pings were after the 24th I would most definitely say it was the body. If they were before than I would say the smell. Not even the pings but more like the call to Amy where she says she got rid of the squirrels. IIRC on the 24th George says Casey wasn't expecting him to be home and was surprised to see him. I wonder if she wasn't planning on putting the body somewhere around there again and then because of the close call with George she knew she had to get rid of the body fast.

[lorettalockhorn]

Also some people get so used to being controlled and abused that they begin to believe what the abuser is telling them so they actually hang onto the abuser and go along with them for fear that they aren't able to be without them.

I totally understand the dynamics of abusive relationships and the isolation and (co)dependency that exists. I guess it's just hard to imagine a big tough police detective kowtowing to anyone. Not your typical domestic abuse victim.

These people put da funk in dysfunktional.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you. Okay so the last time anyone sees Caylee is June 16th. Something either happens to her that day or the 17th because on the 17th the Anthony's find the pool ladder down. IMO Casey was going to stage a drowing but like LP said it didn't work because instead of floating, Caylee sank. Casey then puts Caylee in the playhouse to hide her. On the 18th Casey goes back and borrows a shovel from the neighbor. She starts to dig, thus the ground that the Anthony's pointed out as being disturbed. She quickly realizes she cannot dig a large enough hole to bury Caylee. She moves Caylee's body out of the playhouse and just puts her in the sandbox for a minute while she gets a trash bag or does something. She washes and returns the shovel, backs the car up to the garage and reloads Caylee into it. Now she doesn't know what she's going to do. Caylee's body remains in the trunk and really starts to stink. On the morning of the 19th Casey buys pizza and puts the remainder in the trunk to cover the smell. Sometime berween the 19th and the 27th Casey scopes out different areas to find where she wants to dispose of Caylee. She disposes of Caylee and calls Amy to say the smell is gone. On the 27th she figures she can't get that smell out of the car so she dumps it at the Amscot.

The indictment puts the date of death between 6/15 and 6/16:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/grand_jury_indictment.pdf

[applesandorange]

The indictment puts the date of death between 6/15 and 6/16:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/grand_jury_indictment.pdf

But George claims he saw her the 16th

[mu8shark]

The indictment puts the date of death between 6/15 and 6/16:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/grand_jury_indictment.pdfReally? Because doesn't George say on the 16th he sees them leave around 1 pm for the last time? I wonder if LE does not believe George or if they think Casey killed her on the 16th. I do think she and Cindy had a big fight over Casey wanting to go to Puerto Rico and plus Cindy was fed up with her stealing and being irresponsible. Can you imagine Casey asking her Mom to watch Caylee while she galavants to Puerto Rico and Cindy says, "What ? How in the H are you going to afford to go to Puerto Rico? You need to stay home and get a better job and watch this child.?" And I think that just sent Casey over the edge. I think she got back at Cindy and made sure she would not get custody and she also got rid of what was preventing her party lifestyle. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

But George claims he saw her the 16th

Y, that's the day that Casey and Caylee allegedly swam at the Anthonys' pool and he saw them with their backpacks, then he left for work at 2:30. That is the day of the numerous phone calls 3:00-7:00pm. Maybe the grand jury didn't believe that George saw them that day, or doubted the date for some reason?

[mu8shark]

Really? Because doesn't George say on the 16th he sees them leave around 1 pm for the last time? I wonder if LE does not believe George or if they think Casey killed her on the 16th. I do think she and Cindy had a big fight over Casey wanting to go to Puerto Rico and plus Cindy was fed up with her stealing and being irresponsible. Can you imagine Casey asking her Mom to watch Caylee while she galavants to Puerto Rico and Cindy says, "What ? How in the H are you going to afford to go to Puerto Rico? You need to stay home and get a better job and watch this child.?" And I think that just sent Casey over the edge. I think she got back at Cindy and made sure she would not get custody and she also got rid of what was preventing her party lifestyle. :seeya:Unless LE knows something else it would be more accurate to say between the 16th and 17th JMO

[Sea Zephyr]

Sorry, I haven't been following the case as closely as some of you, but I thought that after Casey and Cindy had the huge fight and Cindy threatened to take custody of Caylee, that Casey then left the house and wasn't seen again for about a month. Some of you are speculating that Caylee was killed at the parent's house? Why was Casey at her parent's house after the fight? Were her parents away somewhere? Was she there without permission? If they were there, how did she explain Caylee's absence?

[mu8shark]

Y, that's the day that Casey and Caylee allegedly swam at the Anthonys' pool and he saw them with their backpacks, then he left for work at 2:30. That is the day of the numerous phone calls 3:00-7:00pm. Maybe the grand jury didn't believe that George saw them that day, or doubted the date for some reason?Hmm well we are certainly on the same page, This has been enlightening. I am turning in, for real now. Nite all.

[lorettalockhorn]

Really? Because doesn't George say on the 16th he sees them leave around 1 pm for the last time? I wonder if LE does not believe George or if they think Casey killed her on the 16th. I do think she and Cindy had a big fight over Casey wanting to go to Puerto Rico and plus Cindy was fed up with her stealing and being irresponsible. Can you imagine Casey asking her Mom to watch Caylee while she galavants to Puerto Rico and Cindy says, "What ? How in the H are you going to afford to go to Puerto Rico? You need to stay home and get a better job and watch this child.?" And I think that just sent Casey over the edge. I think she got back at Cindy and made sure she would not get custody and she also got rid of what was preventing her party lifestyle. :seeya:

That's what the link is; I thought I had heard the 16th or 17th, but that's not what the actual indictment says. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, I completely misread the timeline. Swimming was on the 15th. And George reportedly saw the girls leaving at 12:30 on the 16th. Sorry for the confusion!

June 15 – Caylee visits her great-grandfather at an assisted living facility. A video is later produced in an attempt to verify the sighting.

Watch Caylee's Video

Cindy and Caylee allegedly go swimming in the Anthony's pool. Afterwards, Cindy takes the ladder away from the pool and closes the gate.

June 16 – At or about 12:30 p.m., George Anthony allegedly sees Casey and Caylee leave with backpacks on their shoulders.

At 2:30 p.m., George Anthony leaves for work.

Between 3:00 p.m. and 7:30 p.m., Casey allegedly makes numerous calls, lasting anywhere from a few seconds to a minute, to her parents and several friends.

Gee, is it possible that George told the grand jury that he didn't see them on the 15th?

[NMurphy02]

Has anyone else heard this?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Casey Anthony's defense team: Caylee is dead

[joekuhl79]

The indictment puts the date of death between 6/15 and 6/16:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/grand_jury_indictment.pdf

The indictment states "between the 15th day of June, 2008 and the 16th day of July, 2008".

I think LE is being a little vague on the exact date because they don't want to be locked in to a date, and then some evidence points to a different date and leaves Casey wiggle room...

Also, someone mentioned Casey testifying? It will never happen!

[joekuhl79]

Has anyone else heard this?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Casey Anthony's defense team: Caylee is dead

Is this an admission or a slip?

[deacon]

Is this an admission or a slip?

I would think it is the beginning of admission and a new "story" about how either someone else killed her or it was an accident. Don't know but that would be logical. A new defense move to avoid the DP

[NMurphy02]

That's what I was thinking too. Now they are going to try and say Caylee is dead and was in the back of the car, but Casey knew NOTHING about it.

:mad:

[NMurphy02]

On my-As i said in a prior post if anyone even remotely new Casey over the last several years-strap in cuz you are about to go on one he.. of a ride. Good luck to them as every skeleton in their closet is about to come out. This shall change their lives forever

I totally agree.

[joekuhl79]

I would think it is the beginning of admission and a new "story" about how either someone else killed her or it was an accident. Don't know but that would be logical. A new defense move to avoid the DP

From what I can find (read) about this, this was a slip on Baez' spokesmans part, and as soon as he said it, he knew he effed up.

I looked for the video, but can't find it. Anyone?

[NMurphy02]

OHHH Okay I saw this. It was on Wednesday. If you go to Cnn.com and search on Casley Anthony in videos you'll see it. He did slip up.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/14/pn.casey.anthony.indicted.cnn?iref=videosearch

[NMurphy02]

It truly was awesome!

[applesandorange]

The thing with Baez's spokesperson saying Caylee is dead: well they almost had to admit that in order to give themselves room to getthe death penalty off the table. If they kept denying Caylee was dead they have no plea room or bargaining room. Now that they have admitted it they can make a deal with LE. They can say we will tell you where the body is for the lesser charges. JMO

[joekuhl79]

OHHH Okay I saw this. It was on Wednesday. If you go to Cnn.com and search on Casley Anthony in videos you'll see it. He did slip up.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/14/pn.casey.anthony.indicted.cnn?iref=videosearch

Thanks NMurph!

They should talk to this Todd Black more often! He could break the whole case eventually!

[joekuhl79]

The thing with Baez's spokesperson saying Caylee is dead: well they almost had to admit that in order to give themselves room to getthe death penalty off the table. If they kept denying Caylee was dead they have no plea room or bargaining room. Now that they have admitted it they can make a deal with LE. They can say we will tell you where the body is for the lesser charges. JMO

I think - though I could be wrong - they are 'admitting' nothing...the guy was talking and said something that he didn't mean.

As far as getting the death penalty off the table, it's technically not on the table yet. And I'm sure they want more than Casey admitting that Caylee is dead for the death penalty to be taken off the table (once it's put on the table ;P)...they want the body. At that point, I think they don't care if she changes her story to...well, I was going to come up with something Casey-style outlandish, but I can't!

[NMurphy02]

Joekuhl! HAHAHAH..he is totally back peddling now. And I guess Jose is holding a press conference at 11 or so. Probably to announce a new tip line. Whatever....

Old_soul, I totally agree that Cindy didn't look well in the interview yesterday. I can only imagine what a toll this is taking on this family. But, they really should have taken control of Casey and this situation before it went out of control like this. But hindsight is 20/20.

[joekuhl79]

Hi all, this is my first post, although I was on the CTV boards for years. I think a piece of my heart was taken with the Laci case, and stopped posting...How messed up is this world?! It just doesn't stop,
and now with Caylee...I'm sure Casey is now wishing she fessed up from the beginning, as I'm sure many agree that probably it was accidental (while she was trying to get 'me' time) but wouldn't ask Cindy because of what went down between them. ( Hmmmm ,how about getting a REAL job and paying for a sitter like the rest of us?!) What I wanted to ask is that if anyone else has noticed how scarey looking Cindy was yesterday? I truly believe she (and they) are a few eggs short of a dozen, but I swear, I think we are watching this woman unravel ,or at the very least, having a nervous breakdown.
Denial, yes, but Cindy was the one who called the cops, told about the car and about Casey stealing. I believe Cindy is the one who took care of everything for Caylee while Casey was out playing. The denial is almost understandable.

Welcome!

About Cindy looking scary? Ha ha! I noticed that, her eyebrows were...disturbing! It's like she painted on 'mad eyebrows'!

"The denial is almost understandable." ALMOST. I wonder if it's even denial? I think that she feels that if Caylee is dead, that it is her fault. If she would have babysat Caylee when Casey wanted to go to Peurto Rico (if that's how it went down) none of this would have happened. (Again, Cindys thinking, IMO.)

[joekuhl79]

I understood there was no deal left for her..it was taken off the table waaaayy back cause she wouldn't talk... or is there another way to get around it now?

That was the limited immunity deal...at this point, with the possibility of the death penalty for her, I'm sure LE wants to use that as a bargaining chip to offer her a deal, as in "Tell us where Caylee is and what happened, and no death penalty."

At that point she could say "Well, Caylee is *here* but I didn't do it, blah blah blah..." As long as they find the body, I think that's what they want.

[applesandorange]

I think - though I could be wrong - they are 'admitting' nothing...the guy was talking and said something that he didn't mean.

As far as getting the death penalty off the table, it's technically not on the table yet. And I'm sure they want more than Casey admitting that Caylee is dead for the death penalty to be taken off the table (once it's put on the table ;P)...they want the body. At that point, I think they don't care if she changes her story to...well, I was going to come up with something Casey-style outlandish, but I can't!


I listened to the guy talking and yeah he definitely slipped. What I meant was they know the death penalty is an option. If they keep going with the story that she left Caylee with the babysitter there is no room for them to go to LE and say we will give you this for that. They won't admit Casey is guilty. They will put some kind of spin on it. IMO if LE finds the body before they change their story there will be no deal to be made. I think they left the charges so wide open in hopes that they can reach some kind of deal and find Caylee's body. IMO they want to find her body even if it means saying they will charge Casey with a lesser charge. JMO

[applesandorange]

That was the limited immunity deal...at this point, with the possibility of the death penalty for her, I'm sure LE wants to use that as a bargaining chip to offer her a deal, as in "Tell us where Caylee is and what happened, and no death penalty."

At that point she could say "Well, Caylee is *here* but I didn't do it, blah blah blah..." As long as they find the body, I think that's what they want.

Exactly what I was trying to say. I have a head cold and am so congested I can barely think. you said it much better. :beer:

[applesandorange]

Welcome Soul-Cindy's wild eye's scare me. It has been reported on several shows that she is on medication. And who wouldn't be. In my estimation: Casey will never crack. I think if she cant party,have men,freedom etc. she would rather be dead MOO

Hey Beem. Her eyes scare me too. She looks like a crazy person. Who wouldn't be in her shoes but she looks mean crazy vs. insane crazy.

[joekuhl79]

I listened to the guy talking and yeah he definitely slipped. What I meant was they know the death penalty is an option. If they keep going with the story that she left Caylee with the babysitter there is no room for them to go to LE and say we will give you this for that. They won't admit Casey is guilty. They will put some kind of spin on it. IMO if LE finds the body before they change their story there will be no deal to be made. I think they left the charges so wide open in hopes that they can reach some kind of deal and find Caylee's body. IMO they want to find her body even if it means saying they will charge Casey with a lesser charge. JMO

I agree 100% with you!

[dan_uk]

hope casey doesnt get offered life instead of the death penalty if she says where caylee is

[Gatordog]

Wow gator dog. very insightful. You know I really can't thing of anything else except for what you posted as far as the moving of the body. but it sounds like a lot of work for someone who preplanned the murder. It is like she was in a panic and it was maybe accidental????:shrug:

Hi SaraS

Could be her timing was screwed up. Her parents were supposed to go away on vacation to visit George's parents but George got a different job and couldn't take the vacation days. The death most likely was not intended to occur when it did - but according to district attorneys, premeditated murder can take just a few seconds. It doesn't have to be planned weeks in advance. If you pick up a stick and approach a person to hit them with it, that can be premeditated.

[Gatordog]

http://i36.tinypic.com/wanhud.jpg
Casey Anthony cries during a press
conference held by her attorney Jose Baez
(Red Huber, Orlando Sentinel)

One of two theories regarding her tears.

1. She's got onion rubbed on her fingers and tried to produce tears because that was the lamest excuse for tears.
2. She's looking at her fingers wondering - why are my eyes leaking? What is this wetness? Tears are quite foreign to her.

[applesandorange]

Sorry to hear of your cold. I have been feeling like one coming on as well. Tis the season-at least here anyway's.

Thanks. It's that time of year again. I hope you feel better soon. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

The indictment states "between the 15th day of June, 2008 and the 16th day of July, 2008".

I think LE is being a little vague on the exact date because they don't want to be locked in to a date, and then some evidence points to a different date and leaves Casey wiggle room...

Also, someone mentioned Casey testifying? It will never happen!

Thanks Joe! Maybe I shouldn't post after midnight. :punch:

Don't know what Casey has told Baez or any of her attorneys, but there is no way that she should be encouraged to lie (anymore) under oath. And she would never stand up to cross examination.

[NMurphy02]

2. She's looking at her fingers wondering - why are my eyes leaking? What is this wetness? Tears are quite foreign to her.

3. What is this salty discharge?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi SaraS

Could be her timing was screwed up. Her parents were supposed to go away on vacation to visit George's parents but George got a different job and couldn't take the vacation days. The death most likely was not intended to occur when it did - but according to district attorneys, premeditated murder can take just a few seconds. It doesn't have to be planned weeks in advance. If you pick up a stick and approach a person to hit them with it, that can be premeditated.

Such a good point.

OT: But is there any connection to the fact that it was Puerto Rico that Casey so badly wanted to visit and it's also PR where the Anthonys seem to be focusing much of their search? Like someone kidnapped Caylee and took her there so that Casey would HAVE to go there to find her and bring her back?

[applesandorange]

Any sign of a Baez press conference yet?

No but I seen the second interview with the guy who slipped up. He is on a second interview trying to cover up for what he said. He does a poor job of covering BTW.

[NMurphy02]

Not yet. But it's supposed to be from his office and regarding the comments by Tom Black and how blah blah, yada yada, spin spin, that's not what he meant.

[NMurphy02]

The first thing I thought was uh oh, Tom had better get his resume updated.;)

[joekuhl79]

We're talking about Baez' spokesman Todd Black, right? Not Tom Black?

[joekuhl79]

One of two theories regarding her tears.

1. She's got onion rubbed on her fingers and tried to produce tears because that was the lamest excuse for tears.
2. She's looking at her fingers wondering - why are my eyes leaking? What is this wetness? Tears are quite foreign to her.

3. I've been banging this slob for weeks and I'm STILL going to jail!!

[NMurphy02]

Whoops you're right it is Todd. sorry. TODD had better update his resume.

And the banging comment made me LOL!

[joekuhl79]

Sentinel newspaper story has been updated. Backpeddaling of course on the spokesman's statement however Baez states there is now a qualified lawyer on the team however he declines presently to release his name.

I'm betting that this mystery lawyer is none other than Lionel Hutz!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJB0nnh_C4&feature=related

[One2Snoop]

Baez: "comments were taken out of context

Last Edited: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
Created: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 1:54 PM EDT

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) --Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez says a television network took his firm’s spokesman’s comments out of context to make it appear he said Caylee is dead.

VIDEO: Baez speaks to the media and says Todd Black’s comments were taken out of context - http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7660286&version=1&locale=EN-US


Spokesman Todd Black said he never told Headline News that 3-year-old Caylee Anthony is dead. Black said Thursday the attorneys for her mother, Casey Anthony, believe Caylee is alive. A body has not been found.

The network interviewed Black on live TV Tuesday and repeated part of the interview Wednesday. Headline News stands by its report. It says the transcript shows Black said "this is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."

Casey Anthony was arrested Tuesday and charged with murdering her daughter.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7660020&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[grneyes]

3. I've been banging this slob for weeks and I'm STILL going to jail!!

I'm sure she faked it anyway since that's how she does everything else. *LOL*

[joekuhl79]

i'm sure she faked it anyway since that's how she does everyting else. *lol*

lol!

[joekuhl79]

Baez: "comments were taken out of context

Last Edited: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
Created: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 1:54 PM EDT

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) --Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez says a television network took his firm’s spokesman’s comments out of context to make it appear he said Caylee is dead.

VIDEO: Baez speaks to the media and says Todd Black’s comments were taken out of context - http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7660286&version=1&locale=EN-US


Spokesman Todd Black said he never told Headline News that 3-year-old Caylee Anthony is dead. Black said Thursday the attorneys for her mother, Casey Anthony, believe Caylee is alive. A body has not been found.

The network interviewed Black on live TV Tuesday and repeated part of the interview Wednesday. Headline News stands by its report. It says the transcript shows Black said "this is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."

Casey Anthony was arrested Tuesday and charged with murdering her daughter.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7660020&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Yeah, Baez says "taken out of context", and Black today says "That's NOT what I said!"

Dude, you blurted out something in an interview. Don't try to change the facts, just admit you said something that you didn't mean to say. "Taken out of context" is just what it means...you can't apply that to the entirety of an interview!

[One2Snoop]

Murder Charges Don't Get Anthony To Talk
Young Mother Offered No Information To Investigators After 4th Arrest

POSTED: 4:25 pm EDT October 15, 2008
UPDATED: 6:03 pm EDT October 15, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- After Casey Anthony’s arrest Tuesday, some investigators were optimistic the gravity of the charge might compel her to tell them some new information.

Investigators hoped a murder charge might get Anthony to crack, but Wednesday investigators said Anthony seemed to take it all in stride.

Within moments of Casey Anthony being arrested and brought to sheriff's headquarters, investigators told WESH 2 she requested to have her lawyer present.

According to a source who spoke with her, Anthony did not offer any new information on her daughter Caylee's whereabouts. Anthony had requested court approval to travel to places of interest in private with her attorney to prepare her case, but on Wednesday, those motions were ruled moot since she was charged with first-degree murder. (The judge has not ruled on another motion to preserve DNA evidence.)

From the sheriff's standpoint, Tuesday did not help them achieve their prime goal.

"I want to remind everyone that we have not achieved our prime objective. We have not recovered little Caylee Anthony," Sheriff Kevin Beary said.

One investigator who saw Casey in a hallway described her as cool as a cucumber.

Even making eye contact and showing a hint of a smile. Soon after, her attorney Jose Baez arrived and politely told investigators his client did not wish to speak with them, WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing said.

snip

http://www.wesh.com/news/17723525/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I'm sure she faked it anyway since that's how she does everyting else. *LOL*

ROFLMAO! http://i36.tinypic.com/x4nqxf.jpg

[One2Snoop]

http://i36.tinypic.com/209p0fn.jpg

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/42930396.pdf

[deacon]

Baez: "comments were taken out of context

Last Edited: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
Created: Thursday, 16 Oct 2008, 1:54 PM EDT

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) --Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez says a television network took his firm’s spokesman’s comments out of context to make it appear he said Caylee is dead.

VIDEO: Baez speaks to the media and says Todd Black’s comments were taken out of context - http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7660286&version=1&locale=EN-US

Spokesman Todd Black said he never told Headline News that 3-year-old Caylee Anthony is dead. Black said Thursday the attorneys for her mother, Casey Anthony, believe Caylee is alive. A body has not been found.

The network interviewed Black on live TV Tuesday and repeated part of the interview Wednesday. Headline News stands by its report. It says the transcript shows Black said "this is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."

Casey Anthony was arrested Tuesday and charged with murdering her daughter.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7660020&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Whooo moonwalk like michael

[One2Snoop]

TODAY'S UPDATES

CNN responds to controversial interview
6:45 p.m.
The controversial Headline News interview of Todd Black, in which the spokesman for Jose Baez implied Caylee Marie Anthony is dead, was not edited, according to CNN.

"It was a live interview and the quote aired as he said it," a CNN spokeswoman said.

The CNN official also said there was no joking about the case beforehand, as Baez suggested during a press conference this afternoon.

Mike Brooks, a guest on the show, made a comment about Cindy Anthony drinking the Casey Kool-Aid – implying that Cindy Anthony continues to believe what her daughter is telling her.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-c...,7523378.story

[One2Snoop]

Mysterious PR Man Backtracks On Comment That Caylee Anthony Is Dead

POSTED: 6:31 am EDT October 16, 2008
UPDATED: 6:22 pm EDT October 16, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team is backtracking after they finally admitted, on national TV, that Casey's daughter Caylee is dead.

"This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony," Todd Black said on CNN Wednesday night (Hear It All).

Black is Casey's attorney's spokesman. Not only is he trying to take back his words, so is the attorney and Casey's family.

Todd Black, the spokesperson for Casey Anthony's legal team, admitted on national television late Wednesday that Caylee Anthony is dead. Eyewitness News reached Black by phone Thursday and he denied that is what he meant. He insisted the Baez legal team is confident Caylee is just missing and Casey had nothing to do with her disappearance.

"I did not say that on national television. I responded to what someone else said," Black told Eyewitness News (full interview).

He scrambled for more than five minutes during the call, coming up with different excuses and explanations about what he meant by the comment. But, the bottom line is, he admitted what investigators have long said.

George Anthony brushed it off Thursday morning before he hit the road to drive around the billboard with his granddaughter's picture on it, because he still believes she's alive.

"I don't know why someone would say something like that when everything is circumstantial," George said.

A spokesperson for George and Cindy Anthony called the statement made by Todd Black, someone who's supposed to be on Casey's side, inappropriate.

"If he said something like that and that's what he meant then he shouldn't be representing, working for, Jose Baez because that's an inappropriate statement," said Larry Garrison, Anthony family spokesperson.

The family told Eyewitness News they are even setting up a new tip line that should be ready by Thursday night or Friday. Volunteers from all over the country will help.


WHO IS TODD BLACK?

Eyewitness News has been doing some digging to try to find out exactly who Todd Black is, but he doesn't have a professional track record or paper trail. He works for Press Corps Media. The company claims to have more than 200 employees and an $11 million profit margin, but Press Corps Media doesn't even have a website.

Todd Black has never appeared on camera, only doing interviews over the phone.


ATTORNEY JOSE BAEZ DEFENDS TODD BLACK

Whoever Todd Black is and whatever he looks like, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, says Black is still working for him and Baez on Thursday also tried to explain Black's comment and tried to downplay the impact of what Black said.

Baez said that Black's comments were taken out of context and that he said it after some jokes were being made about the case to bring back the appropriate gravity to the conversation.

"There were jokes being made about the case. I don't see how anyone could be joking about the case of a missing child or a case of first-degree murder and that is what I believe he was referring to," Baez said during a Thursday afternoon press conference (watch it).

Baez tried to convince reporters that his mysterious PR man, who never shows his face, wasn't really saying Caylee is dead; he was saying the case involves accusations that Caylee is dead.

"Todd Black is not a lawyer. He doesn't sit in on our meetings. He doesn't sit in on our client conversations," Baez said.

Black's comments came after a caller to a CNN Headline News program asked how Casey could party right after her little girl disappeared. Black never answered that question.

"Todd Black still does work for us. In my opinion, he has done a very good job," Baez told Eyewitness News.

Baez said he wants to make it clear that the defense team believes that Caylee is alive and that it's still getting new leads about her whereabouts that are being shared with law enforcement.

"My case looks extremely good if we find Caylee," Baez said.

Baez also said Thursday that he has a death penalty qualified attorney on his team, but that attorney remains as mysterious as PR man Todd Black, because Baez won't say who it is.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17726847/detail.html

[deputydi]

<snip>"My case looks extremely good if we find Caylee," Baez said.<snip>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17726847/detail.html
Baez' comments just get dumber and dumber. If a live Caylee is found, there will be NO murder trial. If a dead Caylee is found it would be Jose's worst nightmare.

[Brainstorm]

Baez' comments just get dumber and dumber. If a live Caylee is found, there will be NO murder trial. If a dead Caylee is found it would be Jose's worst nightmare.

ITA. He needs to shut up and get some real help.BUT,its going to be anyones worst nightmare,imo,HAVING to deal with her,imo. I aint lying,Id be going by the church every day to pray to GOD to help deal with this,IMO.NOT to let that evil B?I?T?C?H get to close.She's evil. imoo

[One2Snoop]

We shall see what Mike Brooks has to say about it tonight on N.G. He's a frequent guest. O.K. which is it. Baez stated he did meet the criteria to defend a capital case???? So then why isn't he?????:shrug:

He did? :confused: I believe he's eligible to assist but he can't lead or whatever the terminology is LOL.

[One2Snoop]

ITA. He needs to shut up and get some real help.BUT,its going to be anyones worst nightmare,imo,HAVING to deal with her,imo. I aint lying,Id be going by the church every day to pray to GOD to help deal with this,IMO.NOT to let that evil B?I?T?C?H get to close.She's evil. imoo

I'm about ready to send you a plane ticket to Florida - I just know you could get the truth out of her! :D

[One2Snoop]

Eyewitness News was the only local news team to catch a major slip-up by Casey Anthony's defense team on national television. (10/16/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17726925/index.html

http://i36.tinypic.com/rwmgb4.jpg

[SaraSidle]

Two things. First, If Baez doesn't have the experience to try this case why did he take it on? Trying to make a name for himself? That's not in the best interest of his client. Anyone with half a brain knew this was going to come down to a murder charge. Is he hoping that someone will step in and he can assist to gain trial experience? It's established he doesn't have the hours or even trial experience.

Second thing. Everyone is different in the stages of grief and acceptance. The timing is never the same for anyone and different circumstances bring different reactions. I've stated before in some of the pages way back that they needed to see reality and get on with it, that clearly Casey got rid of Caylee. But getting in touch with my own realities (and it's easy to forget sometimes) I'm backing up on their inability to see the truth. Without a body it's almost impossible to realize that death is reality, sometimes it's also necessary to keep the illusion of life because if not the mind will crack, not everyone is mentally strong. Seeing a body makes it real. I can understand how George vacillates in his realities. Never seeing a body always leaves that little nagging doubt that maybe "somewhere out there"... a little like a fantasy Disney theme that may never go away.

I have a feeling that the Anthony's may never fully accept it because I do not believe that they are ever going to see Caylee's remains, if found. I do know that not seeing the body makes it difficult for the heart and mind to believe or accept. Plus the fact that it's only been about 5 months. Sometimes it takes reality much, much longer than 5 months to set in. When it does...if it does, it's going to be really bad for them. When there are no more illusions the facade begins to crack rapidly. And public exposure, witnesses to the emotion, pain and and the horrors of acceptance must be a truly horrible thing. I would not want someone to capture and record for all of eternity my breaking point beyond emotional endurance, my agony for all the world to see.

This is totally more than I meant to say, but I can see how they cling to hope blindly and foolishly. It's really easy to do. It's easier than facing the truth. The truth is an agony beyond comprehension.

Not preaching, not judging them or anyone, just a little pensive and reflective tonight. I don't think they have much time left to entertain illusions.

Excellent post Minga. I totally agree however I still have about 10% of hope her body is found. And you know even if it is found the GP may still believe she was kidnapped and murdered. So you never really know when the denial will stop...............IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

Exactly - a million thumbs up on this post.

So my question goes out to NG since I know she knows better - whats up with this situation? :punch:

ITA agree a million thumbs up for the post and what is NG thinking? She is an attorney. I wondered if something legal was signed with Jose's knowledge and LE knowledge???????? IMO

[SaraSidle]

I think George vacillates between the two extremes when he's with Cindy and without. I believe that she greatly influences his reasoning with her hammering that Casey is innocent, when he clearly knows what he knows, but Cindy hammers that doubt into him. Just my opinion.

It's like thoughts in the daytime as opposed to thoughts in the nighttime. In the great dark of the soul you know, but when the sun is shining, hope springs back into place without something to bring you to a sobering reality that you can't run away from anymore. That may not make sense to anyone but me.

Makes sense to me. the brain is so complicated there are many things going on that we do not know about I am sure. It does seem like Cindy wants to believe it so bad that Caylee is alive she tries to hammer it into anyone she can. I sure cannot say how I would act. Especially since I do not have children............IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

OHHH Okay I saw this. It was on Wednesday. If you go to Cnn.com and search on Casley Anthony in videos you'll see it. He did slip up.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/14/pn.casey.anthony.indicted.cnn?iref=videosearch

great find and I thank you NMurphy. I was hoping to be able to hear it. He does his best to try and cover it up. I wish the reporters had called him out on it...........IMO sara

[applesandorange]

Mysterious PR Man Backtracks On Comment That Caylee Anthony Is Dead

POSTED: 6:31 am EDT October 16, 2008
UPDATED: 6:22 pm EDT October 16, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team is backtracking after they finally admitted, on national TV, that Casey's daughter Caylee is dead.

"This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony," Todd Black said on CNN Wednesday night (Hear It All).

Black is Casey's attorney's spokesman. Not only is he trying to take back his words, so is the attorney and Casey's family.

Todd Black, the spokesperson for Casey Anthony's legal team, admitted on national television late Wednesday that Caylee Anthony is dead. Eyewitness News reached Black by phone Thursday and he denied that is what he meant. He insisted the Baez legal team is confident Caylee is just missing and Casey had nothing to do with her disappearance.

"I did not say that on national television. I responded to what someone else said," Black told Eyewitness News (full interview).

He scrambled for more than five minutes during the call, coming up with different excuses and explanations about what he meant by the comment. But, the bottom line is, he admitted what investigators have long said.

George Anthony brushed it off Thursday morning before he hit the road to drive around the billboard with his granddaughter's picture on it, because he still believes she's alive.

"I don't know why someone would say something like that when everything is circumstantial," George said.

A spokesperson for George and Cindy Anthony called the statement made by Todd Black, someone who's supposed to be on Casey's side, inappropriate.

"If he said something like that and that's what he meant then he shouldn't be representing, working for, Jose Baez because that's an inappropriate statement," said Larry Garrison, Anthony family spokesperson.

The family told Eyewitness News they are even setting up a new tip line that should be ready by Thursday night or Friday. Volunteers from all over the country will help.


WHO IS TODD BLACK?

Eyewitness News has been doing some digging to try to find out exactly who Todd Black is, but he doesn't have a professional track record or paper trail. He works for Press Corps Media. The company claims to have more than 200 employees and an $11 million profit margin, but Press Corps Media doesn't even have a website.

Todd Black has never appeared on camera, only doing interviews over the phone.


ATTORNEY JOSE BAEZ DEFENDS TODD BLACK

Whoever Todd Black is and whatever he looks like, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, says Black is still working for him and Baez on Thursday also tried to explain Black's comment and tried to downplay the impact of what Black said.

Baez said that Black's comments were taken out of context and that he said it after some jokes were being made about the case to bring back the appropriate gravity to the conversation.

"There were jokes being made about the case. I don't see how anyone could be joking about the case of a missing child or a case of first-degree murder and that is what I believe he was referring to," Baez said during a Thursday afternoon press conference (watch it).

Baez tried to convince reporters that his mysterious PR man, who never shows his face, wasn't really saying Caylee is dead; he was saying the case involves accusations that Caylee is dead.

"Todd Black is not a lawyer. He doesn't sit in on our meetings. He doesn't sit in on our client conversations," Baez said.

Black's comments came after a caller to a CNN Headline News program asked how Casey could party right after her little girl disappeared. Black never answered that question.

"Todd Black still does work for us. In my opinion, he has done a very good job," Baez told Eyewitness News.

Baez said he wants to make it clear that the defense team believes that Caylee is alive and that it's still getting new leads about her whereabouts that are being shared with law enforcement.

"My case looks extremely good if we find Caylee," Baez said.

Baez also said Thursday that he has a death penalty qualified attorney on his team, but that attorney remains as mysterious as PR man Todd Black, because Baez won't say who it is.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17726847/detail.html


Whenever they say something like this it irritates me beyond belief. It's as if they are saying there is no body or admission so Casey might get off. As long as there is a chance Casey might get off we won't admit to anything. It ticks me off that they are so about Casey and not at all about Caylee. Cindy at one time said "they didn't find a body yet" that ticked me off so bad because it seems as long as there is no body these people will stand behind Casey. It's almost like they are saying yeah we know the truth but PROVE it. AHHHH maybe I'm just irritable due to being sick.

[Brainstorm]

Whenever they say something like this it irritates me beyond belief. It's as if they are saying there is no body or admission so Casey might get off. As long as there is a chance Casey might get off we won't admit to anything. It ticks me off that they are so about Casey and not at all about Caylee. Cindy at one time said "they didn't find a body yet" that ticked me off so bad because it seems as long as there is no body these people will stand behind Casey. It's almost like they are saying yeah we know the truth but PROVE it. AHHHH maybe I'm just irritable due to being sick.

ITA......BUT Cindys' lying and covering for Casey are OVER !!!

I,like others, am wondering where's LEE? I thought they were close?Has he been somewhere with LE hunting his neice?
imo

[SaraSidle]

Whenever they say something like this it irritates me beyond belief. It's as if they are saying there is no body or admission so Casey might get off. As long as there is a chance Casey might get off we won't admit to anything. It ticks me off that they are so about Casey and not at all about Caylee. Cindy at one time said "they didn't find a body yet" that ticked me off so bad because it seems as long as there is no body these people will stand behind Casey. It's almost like they are saying yeah we know the truth but PROVE it. AHHHH maybe I'm just irritable due to being sick.

Nicely put applesand orange. In fact all the posts in my opinion I pretty much agree on. thank you everyone for the information and helping me catch up...........sara

[Brainstorm]

Yes lets send Brain-I would luv to go as well-I'll bring bail money.:D

Have truck,will travel.I would glady do the time,IF I could spend a few minutes with her. She is where she needs to be,locked away,(BUT with NO PRIVACY !!!!!! )
Thanks for the support.I do have some things I could say. I did a pretty GOOD job raising two young women!!!!!

imoo

[SaraSidle]

Have truck,will travel.I would glady do the time,IF I could spend a few minutes with her. She is where she needs to be,locked away,(BUT with NO PRIVACY !!!!!! )
Thanks for the support.I do have some things I could say. I did a pretty GOOD job raising two young women!!!!!

imoo

beemeup I am right behind you. After posting with Brainstorm I know she will do whatever it takes to get'er done. she rules. Brainstorm I am so sure you are a great mom. you are wonderful to post with. sara

[SaraSidle]

That was my understanding all along as well he could assist but not lead.

Wow. I was not listening because I so wanted to hear what he said about Black

[grneyes]

I'm curious, does anyone here believe Casey isn't responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee?

I believe she was responsible and by what I've read here many others seem to also, but on another forum I belong to (not crime related) I'm surprised at how many believe Casey is totally innocent.

[SaraSidle]

I'm curious, does anyone here believe Casey isn't responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee?

I believe she was responsible and by what I've read here many others seem to also, but on another forum I belong to (not crime related) I'm surprised at how many believe Casey is totally innocent.

Interesting question grneyes. I have followed everything from the start since I no longer have a job. One thing that bothers me is all the great pictures and videos of Casey and Caylee. On the other hand I have to weigh all the statement by Mom and friends about her lying,stealing, party life and emotional status. I will tell you what really floors me more than anything else in this case is.........A mother handled her dead baby girls daughter many times. Decomposition in the sandbox, playhouse and trunk and I know there is a last place somewhere. I mean there is something here I cannot accept. even if she is a psycopathic/sociopathic with no guilt and lives by lies. IMO sara

[brandy]

I'm curious, does anyone here believe Casey isn't responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee?

I believe she was responsible and by what I've read here many others seem to also, but on another forum I belong to (not crime related) I'm surprised at how many believe Casey is totally innocent.

Being a mother myself, its really hard to fathom someone hurting a child - much less murdering a child- and their own child at that. But I know it happens more often than we'd like to admit.

On the other hand- The detailed lies and the searches off the computer really makes me think she is guilty. Not to mention if she didnt do anything then why is she letting herself sit in jail for the 4th time?

Everything I see points to her being guilty of murdering Caylee- even if she didnt do it herself but was involved or just knows what happened-which is makes her just as guilty in my book since shes witholding info.


I'm curious as to what the Casey followers think really happened? Do they think Caylees alive or that Casey just wasnt involved, and why?:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Being a mother myself, its really hard to fathom someone hurting a child - much less murdering a child- and their own child at that. But I know it happens more often than we'd like to admit.

On the other hand- The detailed lies and the searches off the computer really makes me think she is guilty. Not to mention if she didnt do anything then why is she letting herself sit in jail for the 4th time?

Everything I see points to her being guilty of murdering Caylee- even if she didnt do it herself but was involved or just knows what happened-which is makes her just as guilty in my book since shes witholding info.


I'm curious as to what the Casey followers think really happened? Do they think Caylees alive or that Casey just wasnt involved, and why?:shrug:


great post Brandy. There really is an overwhelming amount of evidence and I also thing it is still very hard for "normal people" to think this could possibly happen. I know with the Diane Downs and Susan Smith we had less lies and less rumors and relatives and friends and forensics to it may not have hit us so hard. this has been one detail after another since day one. 4 mos.
IMO sara

[brandy]

great post Brandy. There really is an overwhelming amount of evidence and I also thing it is still very hard for "normal people" to think this could possibly happen. I know with the Diane Downs and Susan Smith we had less lies and less rumors and relatives and friends and forensics to it may not have hit us so hard. this has been one detail after another since day one. 4 mos.
IMO sara

I agree. I think the saddest part of all this is- aside from the fact that a child was killed, is that no one knows where she is, and she hasnt been laid to rest in a proper place.. plain sickening! :cuss:

[SaraSidle]

I agree. I think the saddest part of all this is- aside from the fact that a child was killed, is that no one knows where she is, and she hasnt been laid to rest in a proper place.. plain sickening! :cuss:

And Brandy I think that is what attracts all the media and posters. I mean not only is it a missing child but the family is so not well that everything has been publicized and detailed. It is almost an entertainment. Every day there is either new evidence, new lies proven, new protestors, new statements and movements but lawyers and the Anthony family. I mean more went into this than a soap opera. No wonder everyone hurts. Too bad this kind of thing does not happen with every missing child or adult. IMO

[One2Snoop]

I'm curious, does anyone here believe Casey isn't responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee?

I believe she was responsible and by what I've read here many others seem to also, but on another forum I belong to (not crime related) I'm surprised at how many believe Casey is totally innocent.

The thought has crossed my mind many times - I even thought about starting a thread asking, "What If She's Telling The Truth and Caylee's alive?"

or

"Just Maybe Casey's Telling The Truth For Once and Caylee's Alive!"

or

"Anyone Here Think There's Any Chance Caylee's Alive?"

or

"Just Maybe There's An Ounce of Truth in What Casey Has Told Us About Caylee Being Alive?"

Yes, I've thought about it quite often - but the forensics evidence, what little
we've been made privy to, sends me right back to, "Casey Killed Her Daughter"

Whether it was intentional or not I don't think we'll ever know that answer unless Casey confesses. IMO, JMO

[SaraSidle]

The thought has crossed my mind many times - I even thought about starting a thread asking, "What If She's Telling The Truth and Caylee's alive?"

or

"Just Maybe Casey's Telling The Truth For Once and Caylee's Alive!"

or

"Anyone Here Think There's Any Chance Caylee's Alive?"

or

"Just Maybe There's An Ounce of Truth in What Casey Has Told Us About Caylee Being Alive?"

Yes, I've thought about it quite often - but the forensics evidence, what little
we've been made privy to, sends me right back to, "Casey Killed Her Daughter"

Whether it was intentional or not I don't think we'll ever know that answer unless Casey confesses. IMO, JMO


ITA very much sara

[brandy]

And Brandy I think that is what attracts all the media and posters. I mean not only is it a missing child but the family is so not well that everything has been publicized and detailed. It is almost an entertainment. Every day there is either new evidence, new lies proven, new protestors, new statements and movements but lawyers and the Anthony family. I mean more went into this than a soap opera. No wonder everyone hurts. Too bad this kind of thing does not happen with every missing child or adult. IMO

So true!

[One2Snoop]

I have another question?????

If Casey is innocent why hasn't Baez encouraged her to take a lie detector test?

Is he worried she'd show deception?
Is he worried her lies would finally be exposed?
Is he worried he knows her lies might actually portray her as innocent even though she isn't?

I believe Baez knows exactly what happened to Caylee and what role Casey played in her disappearance - but lets not forget - he's a defense attorney - he's not paid to prove her guilt in 3 year old Caylee's disappearance.

I often wonder how Baez sleeps at night knowing what he knows - I guess it takes a certain kind of person (money hungry) to defend that sort of pond scum. :flamemad: IMO, JMO.

[One2Snoop]

And Brandy I think that is what attracts all the media and posters. I mean not only is it a missing child but the family is so not well that everything has been publicized and detailed. It is almost an entertainment. Every day there is either new evidence, new lies proven, new protestors, new statements and movements but lawyers and the Anthony family. I mean more went into this than a soap opera. No wonder everyone hurts. Too bad this kind of thing does not happen with every missing child or adult. IMO

NG portrayed another story in her broadcast - missing 6 year old boy - kidnapped after a home invasion. Knock on the door - identified themselves as cops. Mom opens the door and when they don't find who they're looking for or money isn't produced they kidnap the 6 year old boy. Has something to do with drugs - prior owner of the home is the grandfather and may have been involved with drugs? Bizarre. I hope the boy is let go - what can he possibly do in a saga like this?

Reminds me of the movie Alpha Dog which is based on a true story. Awesome movie but I could do without all the foul language. It certainly sends a loud and clear message about the drug world though. IMO, JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I saw that O2S, and I have to say that Nancy's rant about the drug culture and the irresponsibility shown by adults to expose families and especially children to drug culture was one of the best I've ever seen her go on.

God bless this little boy. Cannot imagine the horror.

So back to the Anthonys for a sec; did you hear the interview with one of Casey's exes? Missed part of it, but I think they started out talking about the chloroform and the upshot of his theory was that Casey was planning to stage a kidnapping. Takes me back to the fact that G&C are searching in Puerto Rico which was where Casey was hoping to go on vacation with her friends. Does anyone here know when that trip was? Or which of her friends made the trip? (There is a LOT that I haven't read yet.)

[One2Snoop]

I saw that O2S, and I have to say that Nancy's rant about the drug culture and the irresponsibility shown by adults to expose families and especially children to drug culture was one of the best I've ever seen her go on.

God bless this little boy. Cannot imagine the horror.

So back to the Anthonys for a sec; did you hear the interview with one of Casey's exes? Missed part of it, but I think they started out talking about the chloroform and the upshot of his theory was that Casey was planning to stage a kidnapping. Takes me back to the fact that G&C are searching in Puerto Rico which was where Casey was hoping to go on vacation with her friends. Does anyone here know when that trip was? Or which of her friends made the trip? (There is a LOT that I haven't read yet.)


but I think they started out talking about the chloroform and the upshot of his theory was that Casey was planning to stage a kidnapping.

That was actually Jesse Grunds father she was talking too. He made the statement and said, If Caylee is dead he doesn' believe Casey killed Caylee on purpose - it was an accident. He still stands by that theory and then brought up the kidnapping theory - Confusing to me - :shrug:

The trip was to Puerto Rico with Amy and (2 guys - forget the names right now). Amy was in Puerto Rico when Casey took her checkbook from the console of her car and wrote checks at Target and the grocery store.

Theories I've seen floated about the whole Puerto Rico thing is Casey/Cindy originally was trying to pin it on the trio who went to PR without her. Casey didn't have the money to go - nor could she find a babysitter to take care of Caylee. This is supposedly when Casey's world came tumbling down around her - Cindy said no to the PR trip and Casey started internet searches when Cindy said no - back in March/April time frame mind you.

:eek::confused::seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks! I couldn't remember if that's where Amy had gone while Casey was ripping her off. So the chloroform searches were done at the beginning of the seven month nightmare that Baez spoke of. hmmm

I can't help but wonder if Grund's theory isn't that far out in left field. Maybe the chloroform was for Casey's fake kidnapper to use on the Anthonys (to knock them all out), and Casey would have to go to PR to search for Caylee (with Cindy footing the bill of course!).

I wonder too, if law enforcement has been able to account for all the money that Casey stole from everyone.

[deacon]

Just a thought. I wonder if this was a staged kidnapping/murder. casey planned to stage a kidnapping and murder of Caylee. Complete with the car being stolen during the crime and then left where it was. Problem is, mom and dad did not take a trip that was planned and put a wrench in the plan. Chloroform was the murder weapon and the body was either to be put in the dumpster close to the car or left in the trunk. Plans go wrong and she doesn't realize that the dogs could hit on the back yard like they did days or weeks after the fact.

This fits close to what susan smith tried to do. She staged a carjacking or should I say tried to.

Hmmmm, just makes me wonder.

[joekuhl79]

"My case looks extremely good if we find Caylee," Baez said.


Baez' comments just get dumber and dumber. If a live Caylee is found, there will be NO murder trial. If a dead Caylee is found it would be Jose's worst nightmare.



Baez is the biggest idiot!! That sentence alone proves it...I mean, look at it:

"My case looks extremely good if we find Caylee"

"Looks extremely good"?! Normally you'd think "Slam dunk", not "Extremely good"! But I think Baez knows himself, and doesn't have much confidence in his abilities. I'm sure if Caylee turned up alive, he'd botch the case.

"if we find Caylee"?! The word that bugs me here is "if". They are supposedly SO sure that Caylee is alive, and Casey 'knows' where she is - she's 'close to home', blah blah blah...if I personally believed that she wsere alive I'd be saying "WHEN we find Caylee".

The guy is a horrible attorney, IMO.

Again, see: Lionel Hutz. For real, I think that's who he learned from.

[joekuhl79]

Just a thought. I wonder if this was a staged kidnapping/murder. casey planned to stage a kidnapping and murder of Caylee. Complete with the car being stolen during the crime and then left where it was. Problem is, mom and dad did not take a trip that was planned and put a wrench in the plan. Chloroform was the murder weapon and the body was either to be put in the dumpster close to the car or left in the trunk. Plans go wrong and she doesn't realize that the dogs could hit on the back yard like they did days or weeks after the fact.

This fits close to what susan smith tried to do. She staged a carjacking or should I say tried to.

Hmmmm, just makes me wonder.

I didn't want to give away my million-dollar script, but I wouldn't know who to get it to...

When all this first broke, I thought, "This bit...uh...woman...could not possibly be out partying when her kid is 'missing'!" My thought was that this was all staged, and at some point, further along than even now - like after she's convicted - Caylee would turn up (alive) and Casey would then sue LE for wrongful imprisonment or whatever, and sell her story. But then the hair, decomposition, chloroform, etc. turned up.

[joekuhl79]

I have another question?????

If Casey is innocent why hasn't Baez encouraged her to take a lie detector test?

Is he worried she'd show deception?
Is he worried her lies would finally be exposed?
Is he worried he knows her lies might actually portray her as innocent even though she isn't?

I believe Baez knows exactly what happened to Caylee and what role Casey played in her disappearance - but lets not forget - he's a defense attorney - he's not paid to prove her guilt in 3 year old Caylee's disappearance.

I often wonder how Baez sleeps at night knowing what he knows - I guess it takes a certain kind of person (money hungry) to defend that sort of pond scum. :flamemad: IMO, JMO.

I think he's after the notoriety. He sees his chance for fame. But, his claim to fame will end up being "Worst attorney in high-profile case".

He supposedly has evidence that shows Casey is telling the truth? Remember the alleged picture of Casey Caylee and Zani? "everyone will understand" when they finally say what is supposedly going on? Meanwhile they put the family through this emotional hell, let the media have a field day, let LE, Equusearch, and volunteers waste their time, energy, money, and resources searching for a child with NO HELP from the mother who supposedly KNOWS?! While he lets his client be charged with murder and sit in jail?

I'd like to ask Baez "What the f... are you waiting for genius?!"

[deacon]

I didn't want to give away my million-dollar script, but I wouldn't know who to get it to...

When all this first broke, I thought, "This bit...uh...woman...could not possibly be out partying when her kid is 'missing'!" My thought was that this was all staged, and at some point, further along than even now - like after she's convicted - Caylee would turn up (alive) and Casey would then sue LE for wrongful imprisonment or whatever, and sell her story. But then the hair, decomposition, chloroform, etc. turned up.

I think she wanted to be rid of Caylee from the beginning. Always have. She was not looking for anything I could mention on here. But she was looking. Just not for her daughter. Funny, she couldn't have forseen that pictures would show up of her at the bar and prove one of her many lies to be just what it is, a lie. Instead of one man though, she was looking for many and maybe more.

[Brainstorm]

The thought has crossed my mind many times - I even thought about starting a thread asking, "What If She's Telling The Truth and Caylee's alive?"

or

"Just Maybe Casey's Telling The Truth For Once and Caylee's Alive!"

or

"Anyone Here Think There's Any Chance Caylee's Alive?"

or

"Just Maybe There's An Ounce of Truth in What Casey Has Told Us About Caylee Being Alive?"

Yes, I've thought about it quite often - but the forensics evidence, what little
we've been made privy to, sends me right back to, "Casey Killed Her Daughter"

Whether it was intentional or not I don't think we'll ever know that answer unless Casey confesses. IMO, JMOI think its human nature to want to believe,somehow, that she still could be alive, but, imo,this was all to overwhelming,when the lies began crumbling,to think otherwise.

I have another question?????

If Casey is innocent why hasn't Baez encouraged her to take a lie detector test?

Is he worried she'd show deception?
Is he worried her lies would finally be exposed?
Is he worried he knows her lies might actually portray her as innocent even though she isn't?

I believe Baez knows exactly what happened to Caylee and what role Casey played in her disappearance - but lets not forget - he's a defense attorney - he's not paid to prove her guilt in 3 year old Caylee's disappearance.

I often wonder how Baez sleeps at night knowing what he knows - I guess it takes a certain kind of person (money hungry) to defend that sort of pond scum. :flamemad: IMO, JMO.EXACTLY.pond scum.IF he can do this, he's pond scum too,imo.Does he not answer to God? apparantly not,imo.

I think he's after the notoriety. He sees his chance for fame. But, his claim to fame will end up being "Worst attorney in high-profile case".

He supposedly has evidence that shows Casey is telling the truth? Remember the alleged picture of Casey Caylee and Zani? "everyone will understand" when they finally say what is supposedly going on? Meanwhile they put the family through this emotional hell, let the media have a field day, let LE, Equusearch, and volunteers waste their time, energy, money, and resources searching for a child with NO HELP from the mother who supposedly KNOWS?! While he lets his client be charged with murder and sit in jail?

I'd like to ask Baez "What the f... are you waiting for genius?!"

YOU GOT THIS RIGHT ON !!!!!!!
imo

[Nathalie]

I don't think she will ever be found. It kinda reminds me of Jon Bennett Ramsey case. It is haunting to say the least.

[Brainstorm]

beemeup I am right behind you. After posting with Brainstorm I know she will do whatever it takes to get'er done. she rules. Brainstorm I am so sure you are a great mom. you are wonderful to post with. saraThanks for all the kind words,but really, I am only here ,running my mouth, because I feel so passionate about our children,our responsibilties.(I am no better than the next.)
I believe a child IS the most precious gift,and that it is given by GOD......
hearing about THIS child and nowadays, getting to watch,hear,daily, as it is unfolding, IMO, should be a major,"HERES YOUR SIGN" moment, FOR US ALL.

I'm curious, does anyone here believe Casey isn't responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee?

I believe she was responsible and by what I've read here many others seem to also, but on another forum I belong to (not crime related) I'm surprised at how many believe Casey is totally innocent.

Being a mother myself, its really hard to fathom someone hurting a child - much less murdering a child- and their own child at that. But I know it happens more often than we'd like to admit.

On the other hand- The detailed lies and the searches off the computer really makes me think she is guilty. Not to mention if she didnt do anything then why is she letting herself sit in jail for the 4th time?

Everything I see points to her being guilty of murdering Caylee- even if she didnt do it herself but was involved or just knows what happened-which is makes her just as guilty in my book since shes witholding info.


I'm curious as to what the Casey followers think really happened? Do they think Caylees alive or that Casey just wasnt involved, and why?:shrug:

as for these other two posts, WHY?????? go there? I dont give a rats ass about delving into the evil, hell, that may be "Casey followers"
IMO, wondering, is like doubting the FACTS, and is playing with evil. YOU may get burned, if you spend too much time,letting your mind go those places.imoo
and BTW,no offense, I did notice you are only curious,but thats my response to being curious. Could lead to doubt,pity,then,who knows, SHE's fooled another!!!!

[brandy]

Thanks for all the kind words,but really, I am only here ,running my mouth, because I feel so passionate about our children,our responsibilties.(I am no better than the next.)
I believe a child IS the most precious gift,and that it is given by GOD......
hearing about THIS child and nowadays, getting to watch,hear,daily, as it is unfolding, IMO, should be a major,"HERES YOUR SIGN" moment, FOR US ALL.





as for these other two posts, WHY?????? go there? I dont give a rats ass about delving into the evil, hell, that may be "Casey followers"
IMO, wondering, is like doubting the FACTS, and is playing with evil. YOU may get burned, if you spend too much time,letting your mind go those places.imoo
and BTW,no offense, I did notice you are only curious,but thats my response to being curious. Could lead to doubt,pity,then,who knows, SHE's fooled another!!!!


I dont doubt for a second that shes not guilty. Not everyone is easily fooled. And IMO the reason I am curious to what these people think is because I dont get WHY and HOW they think she is innocent- I want to hear what they truly think. Its not that I am at all open minded about whether shes guilty or innocent.

I suppose I am just interested in how these peoples minds are working- to be so polluted not to see everything that LE has against Casey. That is all
IMO.

[Brainstorm]

I don't think she will ever be found. It kinda reminds me of Jon Bennett Ramsey case. It is haunting to say the least.

I respectfully disagree. I think she WILL be found.If not soon, then someday, someone will happen by and find something.
IMO, at that point, Casey was getting nervous,MAYBE EVEN PANICing,and tried to toss the body somewhere,hurriedly.........maybe in that area they have pinpointed,(AND SO FAR, has just been lucky)
It is haunting, but KEEP the FAITH,Nathalie!!!!

[One2Snoop]

Baez spokesman says media misleading public on Casey Anthony case

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:51 PM EDT, October 17, 2008

Today's Updates:

Jose Baez's spokesman issues another statement -- says media have been drinking 'too much Palmetto Bug Punch'
12:45 p.m. Todd Black, spokesman for Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez, issued another statement this morning about the CNN Headline News interview in which he implied Caylee Marie was dead.

The faxed press release begins with "Thank You" in a large font, and then goes on to say: "We have to thank the few, but very respected news people who understood the misuse of a 'delayed' telephone interview, along with deceptive editing to PURPOSELY MISLEAD the public."

The release states CNN released a "complete fraud and stooped to the lowest low, shamefully toying with the life of Casey Anthony, who sits falsely accused of murder…"

It's the second time Black has addressed his statement -- originally made Tuesday night during a live telephone interview on Headline news and replayed Wednesday: "This is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."

Black stated in Thursday's press release the statement was taken out of context and edited. And during an afternoon press conference, Baez further explained that jokes were being made about the case during the interview, and that's what Black was referring to.

But CNN says no jokes were being told. Mike Brooks, CNN's law-enforcement analyst, made a comment about Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, drinking the "Casey Kool-Aid."

And CNN maintains the interview was shortened for Wednesday's broadcast but that Black's quote aired as he said it.

Today's press release states Black "has never said that Caylee Anthony is deceased, and those who were professional enough to obtain the October 14th interview, in its entirety, reported fairly and truthfully. The rest of the media must have been drinking too much Palmetto Bug Punch."

Casey Anthony's court dates set
10:35 a.m. Casey Anthony is scheduled to be arraigned in the first-degree murder case Oct. 28.

The arraignment will be held at 8:45 a.m. before Orange County Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland.

She has a pre-trial hearing scheduled Nov. 5 for the child neglect and check fraud cases. That also will be heard before Strickland.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-101708,0,668489.story

[Brainstorm]

I dont doubt for a second that shes not guilty. Not everyone is easily fooled. And IMO the reason I am curious to what these people think is because I dont get WHY and HOW they think she is innocent- I want to hear what they truly think. Its not that I am at all open minded about whether shes guilty or innocent.

I suppose I am just interested in how these peoples minds are working- to be so polluted not to see everything that LE has against Casey. That is all
IMO.

I understand.No offense.Its just too mind boggling(for me) to try to figure Cindy out,I cant imagine wanting to delve past THAT.

[brandy]

I understand.No offense.Its just too mind boggling(for me) to try to figure Cindy out,I cant imagine wanting to delve past THAT.

I do agree that its mind boggling. But to me IMO thats what peaks my interest.. What criminals and their followers really have going on inside their heads.

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony Graces Cover Of People Magazine For Second Time
Missing Girl's Mom Charged With Murder

POSTED: 8:26 am EDT October 17, 2008
UPDATED: 1:18 pm EDT October 17, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- For the second time in the last few months, People magazine has decided to put missing Caylee Anthony on its cover.

The issue, which hit newsstands on Friday with the cover headline "A Mom's Web Of Lies," features a big picture of the 3-year-old with a smaller image of her mother, Casey Anthony, who was charged with first-degree murder in her child's disappearance earlier this week.

Unlike the first story People wrote regarding Caylee, the Anthony family was not interviewed.

Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandmother, said she felt duped by People after the first article was released.

"We did not in any way mislead anybody about what the story was, which is a story about this missing toddler," said Betsy Gleick of People.

The current story features a lengthy article that recaps the entire story with recently released photos of Casey Anthony allegedly using stolen checks to purchase items.

The story says the family continues to search for Caylee, and a private investigator is following a tip of a possible Caylee sighting two weeks ago, where someone took a grainy pic of a child who looked like the missing girl.

The current story went to press before murder charges were issued against Casey Anthony.

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony is scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday, Oct. 28 in her murder case. On Nov. 5, pretrial proceedings are set for her child neglect and fraud cases.

http://www.local6.com/news/17738129/detail.html

http://i37.tinypic.com/2qnnzpk.jpg

[grneyes]

Thanks for all the kind words,but really, I am only here ,running my mouth, because I feel so passionate about our children,our responsibilties.(I am no better than the next.)
I believe a child IS the most precious gift,and that it is given by GOD......
hearing about THIS child and nowadays, getting to watch,hear,daily, as it is unfolding, IMO, should be a major,"HERES YOUR SIGN" moment, FOR US ALL.


as for these other two posts, WHY?????? go there? I dont give a rats ass about delving into the evil, hell, that may be "Casey followers"
IMO, wondering, is like doubting the FACTS, and is playing with evil. YOU may get burned, if you spend too much time,letting your mind go those places.imoo
and BTW,no offense, I did notice you are only curious,but thats my response to being curious. Could lead to doubt,pity,then,who knows, SHE's fooled another!!!!

I only asked because I don't understand why anyone would think she wasn't responsible and wanted to get others points of view. Don't see what that has to do with playing with evil or being fooled. It's no different than asking another point of view on any of the cases here imo.

[deputydi]

I think he's after the notoriety. He sees his chance for fame. But, his claim to fame will end up being "Worst attorney in high-profile case".

He supposedly has evidence that shows Casey is telling the truth? Remember the alleged picture of Casey Caylee and Zani? "everyone will understand" when they finally say what is supposedly going on? Meanwhile they put the family through this emotional hell, let the media have a field day, let LE, Equusearch, and volunteers waste their time, energy, money, and resources searching for a child with NO HELP from the mother who supposedly KNOWS?! While he lets his client be charged with murder and sit in jail?

I'd like to ask Baez "What the f... are you waiting for genius?!"
Doesn't Baez remind you somewhat of Mark Geragos? How can anyone forget his proclamation on the courthouse steps about revealing the "real killer". Never happened and where is the esteemed Mr G now? He sure isn't in demand on the talk show circuit anymore.

[One2Snoop]

Part of the picture got cut off but at the top it reads -

SHOCK-TOBER IS Here

http://i34.tinypic.com/nlo09i.jpg

http://www.thedailybs.com/

[One2Snoop]

What's next for Casey Anthony?

Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
October 17, 2008

Casey Anthony was indicted in the purported death of her young daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony. If she pleads not guilty, a long legal battle is sure to follow as both sides argue about what really happened to the toddler.

Here is a look at what is up next in the legal process:

*On or before Nov. 3: By law, Anthony is required to be arraigned within 21 days of her arrest. She will enter a plea of not guilty, guilty or no contest. She will have a right to a trial if she pleads not guilty. She will be sentenced if she pleads guilty or no contest.

*On or before April 16, 2009: Trial is expected within 185 days of Anthony's arrest, unless she revokes her right to a speedy trial. If she does that, there is no time limit on when the case will be taken to trial.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caseybox1708oct17,0,6026126.story

[Sea Zephyr]

Sometimes I also wonder if she somehow could be innocent. I find myself speculating that perhaps some peculiar circumstances that we cannot imagine are causing her to keep quiet and lie. Or then again, perhaps she is simply a pathological liar; being a pathological liar doesn't necessarily mean she is a murderer. You can be one without being the other. I guess I stretch my imagination for the sake of fairness to think there might be some way she is innocent. But when it comes down to it, I think she is probably guilty of murder or at the very least negligence and/or homicide. It makes me sad.

[joekuhl79]

Baez spokesman says media misleading public on Casey Anthony case

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:51 PM EDT, October 17, 2008

Today's Updates:

Jose Baez's spokesman issues another statement -- says media have been drinking 'too much Palmetto Bug Punch'
12:45 p.m. Todd Black, spokesman for Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez, issued another statement this morning about the CNN Headline News interview in which he implied Caylee Marie was dead.

The faxed press release begins with "Thank You" in a large font, and then goes on to say: "We have to thank the few, but very respected news people who understood the misuse of a 'delayed' telephone interview, along with deceptive editing to PURPOSELY MISLEAD the public."

The release states CNN released a "complete fraud and stooped to the lowest low, shamefully toying with the life of Casey Anthony, who sits falsely accused of murder…"

It's the second time Black has addressed his statement -- originally made Tuesday night during a live telephone interview on Headline news and replayed Wednesday: "This is a very serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."

Black stated in Thursday's press release the statement was taken out of context and edited. And during an afternoon press conference, Baez further explained that jokes were being made about the case during the interview, and that's what Black was referring to.

But CNN says no jokes were being told. Mike Brooks, CNN's law-enforcement analyst, made a comment about Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, drinking the "Casey Kool-Aid."

And CNN maintains the interview was shortened for Wednesday's broadcast but that Black's quote aired as he said it.

Today's press release states Black "has never said that Caylee Anthony is deceased, and those who were professional enough to obtain the October 14th interview, in its entirety, reported fairly and truthfully. The rest of the media must have been drinking too much Palmetto Bug Punch."

Casey Anthony's court dates set
10:35 a.m. Casey Anthony is scheduled to be arraigned in the first-degree murder case Oct. 28.

The arraignment will be held at 8:45 a.m. before Orange County Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland.

She has a pre-trial hearing scheduled Nov. 5 for the child neglect and check fraud cases. That also will be heard before Strickland.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-101708,0,668489.story

If this ass Todd Black is so right that CNN edited his interview to make it sound like he said something other than what he said, should he sue for libel or something?

And who is making jokes now? Was it Baez or Black that's trying to be funny with "palmetto bug punch"? Do they think that's clever?

Great...now Baez has to hire a joke writer...

[joekuhl79]

Sometimes I also wonder if she somehow could be innocent. I find myself speculating that perhaps some peculiar circumstances that we cannot imagine are causing her to keep quiet and lie. Or then again, perhaps she is simply a pathological liar; being a pathological liar doesn't necessarily mean she is a murderer. You can be one without being the other. I guess I stretch my imagination for the sake of fairness to think there might be some way she is innocent. But when it comes down to it, I think she is probably guilty of murder or at the very least negligence and/or homicide. It makes me sad.

The only possible way that Casey could be found innocent is if a live Caylee turns up (wouldn't that be great? Then set Casey free!), or the LE/prosecution pulls an epic fail along the lines of the OJ Simpson criminal trial. And you can tell that they have been very mindful of NOT botching ANYTHING.

[susie31023]

I only asked because I don't understand why anyone would think she wasn't responsible and wanted to get others points of view. Don't see what that has to do with playing with evil or being fooled. It's no different than asking another point of view on any of the cases here imo.


GE I'm qouting your post but it also is in answer to Brandy's quetions also. I understand the wanting to know why anyone would think she is innocent..I think that is what these boards are about..Trying to get as much info as possible to understand what in the heck makes these people tick. We can't just look at one side of a crime in order to fully understand and be able to discuss it,we have to look at it from all angles. Thanks for a very thoought provoking post to you and Brandy~Suz

[Sea Zephyr]

The only possible way that Casey could be found innocent is if a live Caylee turns up (wouldn't that be great? Then set Casey free!), or the LE/prosecution pulls an epic fail along the lines of the OJ Simpson criminal trial. And you can tell that they have been very mindful of NOT botching ANYTHING.

But even if Caylee turns up dead, and I know it's a remote chance, there is a chance that Casey didn't do it. I'm not trying to defend Casey. Like I said, I only stretch my imagination for the sake of fairness even though it looks like Casey is probably responsible.

[Brainstorm]

Doesn't Baez remind you somewhat of Mark Geragos? How can anyone forget his proclamation on the courthouse steps about revealing the "real killer". Never happened and where is the esteemed Mr G now? He sure isn't in demand on the talk show circuit anymore.I remember that well, and agree, they are a lot alike,imo.

I only asked because I don't understand why anyone would think she wasn't responsible and wanted to get others points of view. Don't see what that has to do with playing with evil or being fooled. It's no different than asking another point of view on any of the cases here imo.

Excuse me,then. Have at it.
I'll glady stay out of your conversations.
Im just sticking within the immediate crisis,of FINDING the child.
imo

[Brainstorm]

But even if Caylee turns up dead, and I know it's a remote chance, there is a chance that Casey didn't do it. I'm not trying to defend Casey. Like I said, I only stretch my imagination for the sake of fairness even though it looks like Casey is probably responsible.

WHAT?????? A REMOTE CHANCE!!!!!! with the technology,etc,etc they have??????
You can stretch your imagination,with this case,maybe improve your health and mind, BUT..........thats ALL youre doing,imo.


Ya'll can have this discussion. I digress.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have another question?????

If Casey is innocent why hasn't Baez encouraged her to take a lie detector test?

Is he worried she'd show deception?
Is he worried her lies would finally be exposed?
Is he worried he knows her lies might actually portray her as innocent even though she isn't?

I believe Baez knows exactly what happened to Caylee and what role Casey played in her disappearance - but lets not forget - he's a defense attorney - he's not paid to prove her guilt in 3 year old Caylee's disappearance.

I often wonder how Baez sleeps at night knowing what he knows - I guess it takes a certain kind of person (money hungry) to defend that sort of pond scum. :flamemad: IMO, JMO.

No doubt Baez knew from the get go that this would be a high profile case, although he may have never expected Casey to be indicted for capital murder putting him out of first chair. He may have offered his (legal) services to the Anthonys for a minimal fee; like $10, or just enough to constitute a contract. And since he doesn't have a lot of trial experience, I'll assume that he may be young and idealistic, maybe even sonmewhat naive. I don't fault him for defending her, but I do wish they would all STFU about how we're going get it or finally understand or whatever the defense's anthem is.

[grneyes]

Excuse me,then. Have at it.
I'll glady stay out of your conversations.
Im just sticking within the immediate crisis,of FINDING the child.
imo

Wth? I don't know what the heck set you off but hey, if that's how you want it fine with me. Like it or not, Casey is part of this case and will be discussed by more than just myself.

[lorettalockhorn]

I dont doubt for a second that shes not guilty. Not everyone is easily fooled. And IMO the reason I am curious to what these people think is because I dont get WHY and HOW they think she is innocent- I want to hear what they truly think. Its not that I am at all open minded about whether shes guilty or innocent.

I suppose I am just interested in how these peoples minds are working- to be so polluted not to see everything that LE has against Casey. That is all
IMO.

Brandy, love your signature!

I'm with you; I wanna know what's in the Koolaid too.

[lorettalockhorn]

Baez spokesman says media misleading public on Casey Anthony case

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:51 PM EDT, October 17, 2008

Today's Updates:

Jose Baez's spokesman issues another statement -- says media have been drinking 'too much Palmetto Bug Punch'



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-101708,0,668489.story

Oh, that's rich. The defense gets all honked off at jokes being made so they make one of their own. Too bad it's not as pithy. Guess Black and Baez are too young to remember Jonestown.

Oh well, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[lorettalockhorn]

The only possible way that Casey could be found innocent is if a live Caylee turns up (wouldn't that be great? Then set Casey free!), or the LE/prosecution pulls an epic fail along the lines of the OJ Simpson criminal trial. And you can tell that they have been very mindful of NOT botching ANYTHING.

Puhleez Let's not even think about the cops framing Casey for a crime she DID commit.

[One2Snoop]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2irw5df.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

But even if Caylee turns up dead, and I know it's a remote chance, there is a chance that Casey didn't do it. I'm not trying to defend Casey. Like I said, I only stretch my imagination for the sake of fairness even though it looks like Casey is probably responsible.

Not sure whether to interpret your post to mean that it's a remote possiblity that Caylee is dead or if you doubt she will be found. (Or both.) I honestly believe in light of The Body Farm and other physical evidence that she is deceased. The circumstantial evidence is even more damning.

If Caylee is found alive, Casey will still have to answer for not having produced her when given the opportunity.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2irw5df.jpg

Guurrrllll, you read my mind; going for a drinkiepoo right now!!

[One2Snoop]

October 17, 2008

Breaking News : Caylee Anthony Search Set to Resume

Texas EquuSearch has announced that they will resume the search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, on Nov. 8. According to Tim Miller, founder and director of the organization, it will be the "biggest search in history."

In related news, Leonard Padilla has sought out the aide of bounty hunters from around the United States, who are now planning on coming to Orlando to help out in the search effort.

Investigation Discovery will also be back on the scene in Orlando, bringing you all the latest details.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/breaking-news-c.html

[brandy]

Wth? I don't know what the heck set you off but hey, if that's how you want it fine with me. Like it or not, Casey is part of this case and will be discussed by more than just myself.

ITA:shrug:

[brandy]

Brandy, love your signature!

I'm with you; I wanna know what's in the Koolaid too.

:o Thanks :) :beer:

[brandy]

October 17, 2008

Breaking News : Caylee Anthony Search Set to Resume

Texas EquuSearch has announced that they will resume the search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, on Nov. 8. According to Tim Miller, founder and director of the organization, it will be the "biggest search in history."

In related news, Leonard Padilla has sought out the aide of bounty hunters from around the United States, who are now planning on coming to Orlando to help out in the search effort.

Investigation Discovery will also be back on the scene in Orlando, bringing you all the latest details.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/breaking-news-c.html



Thats great news!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

I wonder if she was ever able to produce that (fake) list of instuctions. Remember when she changed her story to being in the park with Zanny and her sister and they drove off with Caylee leaving Casey with that list of instructions. Would love to hear what Casey had to say about that. Oh i threw it away blah blah blah ect. or if she had a list she made up herself. Cant imagine what was on it.:rose:

I have wondered the same thing every day beemeup. maybe should have been a memorize thing???????????

[SaraSidle]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2irw5df.jpg

LOL One2Snoop......nice timeing. hope the water is warm.

[SaraSidle]

Thats great news!!!!!!

I agree. I think they have good ideas wherer to look. IMO sara

[mu8shark]

The indictment states "between the 15th day of June, 2008 and the 16th day of July, 2008".

I think LE is being a little vague on the exact date because they don't want to be locked in to a date, and then some evidence points to a different date and leaves Casey wiggle room...

Also, someone mentioned Casey testifying? It will never happen! That may have been me, because I was thinking if someone is going to tell their side of the story so we will all understand as Baez says, how are they going to do that? He can't just state their theory in opening statements unless there is some kind of testimony to go with it, so who will testify to what Casey's real story is? I am not sure that anyone can do that but her. I do agree she will get killed testifying but how will they tell her side of the story as Baez says when we hear it we will all understand, ? Baffles me.

[SaraSidle]

ok I thinkI can answer some questions. I have a psych degree. this is what I think and you can call me crazy but I have worked in the field 15 yrs.

Casey is what is reffered to as a psyopath/sociopath. No one knows really if she was born that way or raised that way in the mind/psychiatry fields.


the theory is there was not a lot of bonding from the mother. she was bonding with lee and when Casey was born she wanted her to be just like Mom. And yes Casey was a daddy's girl but Mom Cindy was much more controlling with Casey,Lee and George because she was so insecure of being a good wife and mother she became controlling. So I am sure Casey at some point was afraid of disappointing Cindy and george who wanted what is best. George and Cindy Anthony wanted Casey to become independent.
They forgot the lies they knew and tried tough love to get Casey to become an adult and it did not work. Cindy already knew enough to file custody for Caylee. I have no idea how Casey protested but she did. She and Caylee left and I think it was out of anger and rebelliousness. I think either an accident or not Caylee died and Casey went through many troubles and lies to cover it up and waited 30 days. lots of lying and stealing to cover. She did know from dating cops I believe her 30 day delay would help her case. She can still blame anyone but her at this point. I think Caylee screwed up and covered it up like she does with everything else and deveoped a great coverup lie system. I also think george and Cindy absolutely loved Caylee and Casey from their heart and are only reacting as much as their emotions will let them. Casey being a Psycopath is not crazy by any means. She is definitely still one personality and does not hear voices or have hallucinations. Again she resembles a serial killer and that she has no morals of right and wrong. SHe did what she needed to do to make her feel good and go back to being her partying,irresponsible self. If any one of you disagree especially R he is also good at this psychology stuff let us know. I believe we will have enough for her to plead or we will use mentally ill and probable doubt as a defense. Whatever I would like to see Caylee sent home to peace. Sorry this has dragoned on but I wanted to say my 2 cents worth. great posters and I love you all. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

Doesn't Baez remind you somewhat of Mark Geragos? How can anyone forget his proclamation on the courthouse steps about revealing the "real killer". Never happened and where is the esteemed Mr G now? He sure isn't in demand on the talk show circuit anymore.

Very much yes. best to look good in the public and sounds like you know what you are talking about before anything else in the job!!!!!!!!!IMO sara

[mu8shark]

If this ass Todd Black is so right that CNN edited his interview to make it sound like he said something other than what he said, should he sue for libel or something?

And who is making jokes now? Was it Baez or Black that's trying to be funny with "palmetto bug punch"? Do they think that's clever?

Great...now Baez has to hire a joke writer...

Out of context? Now if I say to you I saw a car accident that resulted in a loss of life what does that mean? It means someone was dead! Those lawyer are azzholes. No wonder the death qualified guy in this firm does not want to be identified, he is probably embarassed by this whole crew.

[mu8shark]

[Does anyone remember the article or the blurb where Casey told Cindy she gave or sold Caylee to someone in Puerto Rico? I think this is going to be their explanation or that Jesse Grund took her and threatened Casey. Is this what Baez is talking about? I mean it is getting absurd all these stories, next we will hear it is like that Austrialian woman and a dingo took the baby. Sorry to joke but I get so frustrated with all these stories. Nothing funny about the truth at all but these stories. PS I will go find that blurb in the paper because I just thought the selling the baby in Puerto Rico story was weird. :tongue:

[mu8shark]

Caylee Anthony Graces Cover Of People Magazine For Second Time
Missing Girl's Mom Charged With Murder

POSTED: 8:26 am EDT October 17, 2008
UPDATED: 1:18 pm EDT October 17, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- For the second time in the last few months, People magazine has decided to put missing Caylee Anthony on its cover.

The issue, which hit newsstands on Friday with the cover headline "A Mom's Web Of Lies," features a big picture of the 3-year-old with a smaller image of her mother, Casey Anthony, who was charged with first-degree murder in her child's disappearance earlier this week.

Unlike the first story People wrote regarding Caylee, the Anthony family was not interviewed.

Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandmother, said she felt duped by People after the first article was released.

"We did not in any way mislead anybody about what the story was, which is a story about this missing toddler," said Betsy Gleick of People.

The current story features a lengthy article that recaps the entire story with recently released photos of Casey Anthony allegedly using stolen checks to purchase items.

The story says the family continues to search for Caylee, and a private investigator is following a tip of a possible Caylee sighting two weeks ago, where someone took a grainy pic of a child who looked like the missing girl.

The current story went to press before murder charges were issued against Casey Anthony.

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony is scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday, Oct. 28 in her murder case. On Nov. 5, pretrial proceedings are set for her child neglect and fraud cases.

http://www.local6.com/news/17738129/detail.html

http://i37.tinypic.com/2qnnzpk.jpg

If this is not online somewhere I can summarize this on a new thread if anyone is interested. Not much new stuff.

[SaraSidle]

You know Brandy,grneyes and Brainstorm I respect all of you and I know all of you are great mothers. This is a terrible case because it means a mother actually ended the life of her baby girl that everyone loved even maybe her. The evidence is really accurate and convincing. I know all of you as I are very very angry and outraged and finding it still at the same time hard to believe. Casey felt Caylee was in the way of her young life. She was not ready for a child and she knew it and stated it. Out of wanting a different life somehow she changed Caylee's life to help her own in her mind. Now I know none of us here can relate to that which is a good thing. Please let us not get angry at each other. This is very complcated. we cannot put our shoes in the feet of Cindy,Casey,Lee and George. We can only imagine and we do not probably come close to how much pain the Anthony's are in. My first concern is Caylee and If I had the money I would do anything to make sure she got home and put at peace. I am not defending the family I am trying to understand. We cannot judge but by the evidence and we should not argue about it. This is going to be a long trial and let us hope our little Caylee is found and her killer put to justice. the 2 goals here and everything else is rumor,lies and evidence but we will all have the same goal. IMO sara

[mu8shark]

ok I thinkI can answer some questions. I have a psych degree. this is what I think and you can call me crazy but I have worked in the field 15 yrs.

Casey is what is reffered to as a psyopath/sociopath. No one knows really if she was born that way or raised that way in the mind/psychiatry fields.


the theory is there was not a lot of bonding from the mother. she was bonding with lee and when Casey was born she wanted her to be just like Mom. And yes Casey was a daddy's girl but Mom Cindy was much more controlling with Casey,Lee and George because she was so insecure of being a good wife and mother she became controlling. So I am sure Casey at some point was afraid of disappointing Cindy and george who wanted what is best. George and Cindy Anthony wanted Casey to become independent.
They forgot the lies they knew and tried tough love to get Casey to become an adult and it did not work. Cindy already knew enough to file custody for Caylee. I have no idea how Casey protested but she did. She and Caylee left and I think it was out of anger and rebelliousness. I think either an accident or not Caylee died and Casey went through many troubles and lies to cover it up and waited 30 days. lots of lying and stealing to cover. She did know from dating cops I believe her 30 day delay would help her case. She can still blame anyone but her at this point. I think Caylee screwed up and covered it up like she does with everything else and deveoped a great coverup lie system. I also think george and Cindy absolutely loved Caylee and Casey from their heart and are only reacting as much as their emotions will let them. Casey being a Psycopath is not crazy by any means. She is definitely still one personality and does not hear voices or have hallucinations. Again she resembles a serial killer and that she has no morals of right and wrong. SHe did what she needed to do to make her feel good and go back to being her partying,irresponsible self. If any one of you disagree especially R he is also good at this psychology stuff let us know. I believe we will have enough for her to plead or we will use mentally ill and probable doubt as a defense. Whatever I would like to see Caylee sent home to peace. Sorry this has dragoned on but I wanted to say my 2 cents worth. great posters and I love you all. IMO sara Well I wish I thought it was an accident but her looking on missing childrens sites is too much for me . I believe it was somewhat premeditated. I think she was thinking about doing it. And when she talked to her Mom on the 15t they had a big fight according to Lee , one where Cindy grabbed her around the neck. I think she ask Cindy to watch Caylee while she went off to Puerto Rico with her friend as the text messages show she wanted to go badly. And Cindy after all the stealing and irresponsiblity was probably furious and would not do it. I think Cindy threatened to take her to court she was so irresponsible .And I think that set Casey off to thinking, I 'm done being Mommy, I have had it. She was after all cramping her social life according to a text she sent a boyfriend. I also think her my space thing, what is given can be taken away was a message to Cindy and I believe that as she said of herself, she is a spiteful B and she choose a way she thought was quiet, clean and quick, chloroform. That is just my theory.

[grneyes]

GE I'm qouting your post but it also is in answer to Brandy's quetions also. I understand the wanting to know why anyone would think she is innocent..I think that is what these boards are about..Trying to get as much info as possible to understand what in the heck makes these people tick. We can't just look at one side of a crime in order to fully understand and be able to discuss it,we have to look at it from all angles. Thanks for a very thoought provoking post to you and Brandy~Suz

Thanks Susie. For your response and for understanding why we asked those questions.

(hugs)

[SaraSidle]

[Does anyone remember the article or the blurb where Casey told Cindy she gave or sold Caylee to someone in Puerto Rico? I think this is going to be their explanation or that Jesse Grund took her and threatened Casey. Is this what Baez is talking about? I mean it is getting absurd all these stories, next we will hear it is like that Austrialian woman and a dingo took the baby. Sorry to joke but I get so frustrated with all these stories. Nothing funny about the truth at all but these stories. PS I will go find that blurb in the paper because I just thought the selling the baby in Puerto Rico story was weird. :tongue:

I do not remember it muBshark but I do not doubt it. there is still a very small part of me that hopes she will be foung alive and I tell myself over and over it is wrong. IMO sara

[Brainstorm]

You know Brandy,grneyes and Brainstorm I respect all of you and I know all of you are great mothers. This is a terrible case because it means a mother actually ended the life of her baby girl that everyone loved even maybe her. The evidence is really accurate and convincing. I know all of you as I are very very angry and outraged and finding it still at the same time hard to believe. Casey felt Caylee was in the way of her young life. She was not ready for a child and she knew it and stated it. Out of wanting a different life somehow she changed Caylee's life to help her own in her mind. Now I know none of us here can relate to that which is a good thing. Please let us not get angry at each other. This is very complcated. we cannot put our shoes in the feet of Cindy,Casey,Lee and George. We can only imagine and we do not probably come close to how much pain the Anthony's are in. My first concern is Caylee and If I had the money I would do anything to make sure she got home and put at peace. I am not defending the family I am trying to understand. We cannot judge but by the evidence and we should not argue about it. This is going to be a long trial and let us hope our little Caylee is found and her killer put to justice. the 2 goals here and everything else is rumor,lies and evidence but we will all have the same goal. IMO sara

You're right sara. Sorry everyone. I know this has taken a toll on me and I have become a *****.
So, Caylee is safe in Gods arms,IMO
Casey is in custody,where she belongs,IMO
Hopefully,the system will work.I will be watching and listening.
I am NOT,however,giving CASEY any more of my time or attention.
imoo

[lighthousedazy]

I do not remember it muBshark but I do not doubt it. there is still a very small part of me that hopes she will be foung alive and I tell myself over and over it is wrong. IMO saraSara, I understand your frustration. I only have a 1% chance that she may be alive. I think the forensics tell us otherwise. I don't believe it was an accidental death, or the mother would have called 911 immediately. I grew up near a fairly small city (150,000 population). In the 1950's there was a mother that poisoned her whole family over a period of time (Anjette Lyles), and in 1992, Teresa Fargeson, a mother that smothered her beautiful 6 yr old daughter because she thought her new boyfriend didn't want to be bothered with children, and you all know about Susan Smith. In a recent article, I read that 17 children died in Memphis at the hands of their mothers or either the mothers boyfriends in the last year. It is a sad fact of life and I have no answers either. jmo :rose:

[applesandorange]

October 17, 2008

Breaking News : Caylee Anthony Search Set to Resume

Texas EquuSearch has announced that they will resume the search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, on Nov. 8. According to Tim Miller, founder and director of the organization, it will be the "biggest search in history."

In related news, Leonard Padilla has sought out the aide of bounty hunters from around the United States, who are now planning on coming to Orlando to help out in the search effort.

Investigation Discovery will also be back on the scene in Orlando, bringing you all the latest details.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/breaking-news-c.html


That's wonderful news!! The best news I've heard all day. Thanks Snoop

[applesandorange]

You're right sara. Sorry everyone. I know this has taken a toll on me and I have become a *****.
So, Caylee is safe in Gods arms,IMO
Casey is in custody,where she belongs,IMO
Hopefully,the system will work.I will be watching and listening.
I am NOT,however,giving CASEY any more of my time or attention.
imoo


This case takes its toll on me too. No worries here Brainstorm. Let's hope Caylee is found soon.

[applesandorange]

ok I thinkI can answer some questions. I have a psych degree. this is what I think and you can call me crazy but I have worked in the field 15 yrs.

Casey is what is reffered to as a psyopath/sociopath. No one knows really if she was born that way or raised that way in the mind/psychiatry fields.


the theory is there was not a lot of bonding from the mother. she was bonding with lee and when Casey was born she wanted her to be just like Mom. And yes Casey was a daddy's girl but Mom Cindy was much more controlling with Casey,Lee and George because she was so insecure of being a good wife and mother she became controlling. So I am sure Casey at some point was afraid of disappointing Cindy and george who wanted what is best. George and Cindy Anthony wanted Casey to become independent.
They forgot the lies they knew and tried tough love to get Casey to become an adult and it did not work. Cindy already knew enough to file custody for Caylee. I have no idea how Casey protested but she did. She and Caylee left and I think it was out of anger and rebelliousness. I think either an accident or not Caylee died and Casey went through many troubles and lies to cover it up and waited 30 days. lots of lying and stealing to cover. She did know from dating cops I believe her 30 day delay would help her case. She can still blame anyone but her at this point. I think Caylee screwed up and covered it up like she does with everything else and deveoped a great coverup lie system. I also think george and Cindy absolutely loved Caylee and Casey from their heart and are only reacting as much as their emotions will let them. Casey being a Psycopath is not crazy by any means. She is definitely still one personality and does not hear voices or have hallucinations. Again she resembles a serial killer and that she has no morals of right and wrong. SHe did what she needed to do to make her feel good and go back to being her partying,irresponsible self. If any one of you disagree especially R he is also good at this psychology stuff let us know. I believe we will have enough for her to plead or we will use mentally ill and probable doubt as a defense. Whatever I would like to see Caylee sent home to peace. Sorry this has dragoned on but I wanted to say my 2 cents worth. great posters and I love you all. IMO sara


I agree with your theory but just wanted to add my own thought on this. I believe sociopaths are made and not born. I have a relative who has made me come to this conclusion. From that experience I can also say that I'm not so sure it is from lack of bonding with the mother but too much pressure from the mother. This is JMO. Of course I could be wrong. I am not a professional.

[applesandorange]

Sara, I understand your frustration. I only have a 1% chance that she may be alive. I think the forensics tell us otherwise. I don't believe it was an accidental death, or the mother would have called 911 immediately. I grew up near a fairly small city (150,000 population). In the 1950's there was a mother that poisoned her whole family over a period of time (Anjette Lyles), and in 1992, Teresa Fargeson, a mother that smothered her beautiful 6 yr old daughter because she thought her new boyfriend didn't want to be bothered with children, and you all know about Susan Smith. In a recent article, I read that 17 children died in Memphis at the hands of their mothers or either the mothers boyfriends in the last year. It is a sad fact of life and I have no answers either. jmo :rose:


It's so sad that there are so many deaths of innocent children. I will never be able to understand it.

[applesandorange]

Was NG any good tonight?

[mu8shark]

I do not remember it muBshark but I do not doubt it. there is still a very small part of me that hopes she will be foung alive and I tell myself over and over it is wrong. IMO sara Here is the article from 9.25.08 . So I am wondering if this wil be their story. I do not believe it for a minute though. I mean , here is my problem with the decompositon, at least four people have mentioned the smell, Cindy, George, the tow yard guy, the cop plus Casey mentions it earlier in her texts. Lee smelled it as well, you have two dogs hit on it and the body farm , plus a hair that has Caylees mitonchrondial dna with the post mortem hair banding showing her dead. And decomp fluid in the outside of the trash bag. So how can all this be incorrect.? Anyway here is the story from wftv and a live Caylee in Puerto RIco does not jive with the previous info,. Source Says Casey Said Caylee Was Sold To Someone In Puerto Rico

POSTED: 5:24 pm EDT September 24, 2008
UPDATED: 7:36 am EDT September 25, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Is there a Puerto Rico connection to Caylee Anthony's disappearance or is it just another lie from Casey? Sources who knew the family intimately during the past few months told Eyewitness News that Casey convinced her mother that Caylee was sold to someone in Puerto Rico.

You can find mention of the Puerto Rico connection buried in the documents investigators just released. On July 22, after Caylee was reported missing, Casey's former best friend, Amy Huizenga, got a text message in the middle of the night from an unidentified person about a trip she and two of Casey's friends took to Puerto Rico.

"Won't take a genius or the Feds to start talking to you guys about the trip, because you three left at different times to [go] out of the country while Caylee was unaccounted for. Know what I mean?" Huizenga's friend wrote.

The friend then asked: "You guys keep your ticket stubs?" and "Just out of curiosity why did you, Troy and Ricardo go to Puerto Rico separately?"

Wednesday, sources who spent a lot of time with the family in recent weeks, told Eyewitness News that when Casey got out of jail the first time, she convinced her mother that she sold her daughter to someone in Puerto Rico. The only interview Cindy's done since then is with Univision, where she talked about a tip that Caylee was in Puerto Rico.

But Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who originally sprung Casey from jail, told Eyewitness News on Wednesday that it's just another crazy lie cooked up by Casey.

"Baby's dead. Baby's deceased," he said.

Padilla said he stationed a female employee in the house for nine days with Casey and claims Casey confided in her regularly, but never said anything about Puerto Rico.

[lighthousedazy]

Was NG any good tonight?I watched Nancy tonight, but I guess we need O2S or Odette to bring up the transcripts. I was awestruck, when a new witness stated that he was going by the road south of the airport looking for metal and tin cans, and he saw someone with a large strawhat and red sunglasses fitting the appearance of C anthony coming out of the woods south of the airport carrying a shovel and bag and also accompanied by an unknown male. The witness said that he wanted to see if the female needed any help, but the driver only slowed down and did not stop. JMO and copyed from NG.

[mu8shark]

Was NG any good tonight?IMO not really because she is back to being sarcastic and rude when people don't agree with her. I used to really like her but somehow she has just gotten nasty at times. I wish Greta was still covering the story

[mu8shark]

I watched Nancy tonight, but I guess we need O2S or Odette to bring up the transcripts. I was awestruck, when a new witness stated that he was going by the road south of the airport looking for metal and tin cans, and he saw someone with a large strawhat and red sunglasses fitting the appearance of C anthony coming out of the woods south of the airport carrying a shovel and bag and also accompanied by an unknown male. The witness said that he wanted to see if the female needed any help, but the driver only slowed down and did not stop. JMO and copyed from NG. This guy sure waited a while to come forward but it could be valid I suppose, maybe he does not watch tv. But despite what Nancy says, even if both guys in the car say the story is true, they need to vet it, because people come out of the woodwork, sometimes for glory, sometimes just to be helpful and sometimes telling the truth but it would be great if they found something. I am a little miffed that Tim Miller let Cindy Anthony put him off the search, at least that is what Nancy says. I wonder if it is just what he said and it is not quite dry enough yet. Surely, he would not cancel a search because Cindy was not cooperating and mad at him. hope not. I know he is coming back Nov 8 seems like a long way off

[lorettalockhorn]

ok I thinkI can answer some questions. I have a psych degree. this is what I think and you can call me crazy but I have worked in the field 15 yrs.

Casey is what is reffered to as a psyopath/sociopath. No one knows really if she was born that way or raised that way in the mind/psychiatry fields.


the theory is there was not a lot of bonding from the mother. she was bonding with lee and when Casey was born she wanted her to be just like Mom. And yes Casey was a daddy's girl but Mom Cindy was much more controlling with Casey,Lee and George because she was so insecure of being a good wife and mother she became controlling. So I am sure Casey at some point was afraid of disappointing Cindy and george who wanted what is best. George and Cindy Anthony wanted Casey to become independent.
They forgot the lies they knew and tried tough love to get Casey to become an adult and it did not work. Cindy already knew enough to file custody for Caylee. I have no idea how Casey protested but she did. She and Caylee left and I think it was out of anger and rebelliousness. I think either an accident or not Caylee died and Casey went through many troubles and lies to cover it up and waited 30 days. lots of lying and stealing to cover. She did know from dating cops I believe her 30 day delay would help her case. She can still blame anyone but her at this point. I think Caylee screwed up and covered it up like she does with everything else and deveoped a great coverup lie system. I also think george and Cindy absolutely loved Caylee and Casey from their heart and are only reacting as much as their emotions will let them. Casey being a Psycopath is not crazy by any means. She is definitely still one personality and does not hear voices or have hallucinations. Again she resembles a serial killer and that she has no morals of right and wrong. SHe did what she needed to do to make her feel good and go back to being her partying,irresponsible self. If any one of you disagree especially R he is also good at this psychology stuff let us know. I believe we will have enough for her to plead or we will use mentally ill and probable doubt as a defense. Whatever I would like to see Caylee sent home to peace. Sorry this has dragoned on but I wanted to say my 2 cents worth. great posters and I love you all. IMO sara

Hey Sara! Do we know much about Cindy filing for custody of Caylee? When was it suggested that she do so? The suggestion was from na therapist, right? Was this family therapy? Did Cindy ever make any strides in gaining custory? I'd love to know more about the psychological aspects of this case. Especially since it seems (to me)that G&C were totally clueless about the way that Casey functions.

[applesandorange]

October 17, 2008
11:13:01 PM


ORLANDO -- A dress found in the woods is now taking center stage in the search for Caylee Anthony.

Investigators said they're testing and reviewing a small dress that is “very, very similar” to a dress belonging to the missing 3-year-old.

The dress was found in the woods last weekend near the airport during a brief new search by the Texas based group Equu-Search.

The dress has now been sent out of state for forensic testing.

Meanwhile the toddler’s mother will be back in court later this month.

Casey Anthony is set to be arraigned on Oct. 28 on first-degree murder charges.

She was indicted earlier this week.

A second court date is then set for Nov. 5 for the child neglect and check fraud charges.

George Anthony Talks To News 13
George Anthony, the grandfather of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, spoke exclusively with News 13 Thursday about the family's latest efforts to find his granddaughter.

Anthony said his family has been cleared by a judge to access all 5,000 tips recorded by the Orange County Sheriff's Office tip line.

This comes after the judge in the case denied the defense's motion to preserve forensic evidence. See previous story.

Anthony added they are disturbed by the fact the Sheriff's Office shut down the tip line in mid-august.

The family's private investigator is looking into multiple potential sightings of Caylee, 3, around the country, including New York and South Carolina, Anthony said.

"We've been getting info out about Puerto Rico, because we believe that's where she is, but the info I've gotten over the last three months is that my granddaughter has been to nine different locations," Anthony told News 13.

Anthony is working to find a new location for the Kid Finder's Network command center, where you can find the Caylee Anthony information billboard, as well as information on other missing children.

Complaints by protestors have forced the billboard off of four different properties.


Lawyer: Caylee Is Alive
As the search for Caylee continues, the controversial question of whether she is dead or alive remains up in the air.

Authorities have said they believe she is dead, but the family disagrees. However, Todd Black, a spokesperson for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said on CNN Headline News earlier in the week that Caylee is dead.

"This is a very serious case involving -- not just involving the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony," Black said.

Black later told News 13 in a phone interview his statement was in reference to the way the case was being talked about, and was taken completely out of context.

Black hung up when News 13 asked him further questions.

Baez also spoke out, saying he was upset at all the attention the comment has received, and insisting his office still believes Caylee is alive.

"The only reason I am here responding to this is because we have a missing child, and I don't want anyone to stop looking for Caylee because they think that we think she's deceased," Baez said.

Baez added they have new information of recent Caylee sightings, and they have been passing it on to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.


Casey In Protective Custody
Casey Anthony is being held under level one protective custody at the Orange County Jail's female detention center.

Protective custody is normally used in high profile cases.

While in jail, Casey will spend her days in a cell by herself, without inmate contact. She will be allowed out of her cell for one hour per day to take a shower, sit in the dayroom and make phone calls.

Additional time out of the cell can be granted at the discretion of the officers.

Visits with Casey's attorney are allowed at any time. So far, the only visit scheduled was one by Baez Wednesday night.


Possible Prison Time
If Anthony is convicted of the multiple charges against her, she could be looking at major prison time.

Anthony could even face the death penalty for the first-degree murder charge.

She could also be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years for aggravated child abuse, another 30 years for aggravated manslaughter of a child, and five additional years for each of the four counts of providing false information to a law enforcement officer.

That does not include the charges of check fraud against Casey Anthony.

[applesandorange]

I watched Nancy tonight, but I guess we need O2S or Odette to bring up the transcripts. I was awestruck, when a new witness stated that he was going by the road south of the airport looking for metal and tin cans, and he saw someone with a large strawhat and red sunglasses fitting the appearance of C anthony coming out of the woods south of the airport carrying a shovel and bag and also accompanied by an unknown male. The witness said that he wanted to see if the female needed any help, but the driver only slowed down and did not stop. JMO and copyed from NG.

Thanks. I wish I would have had the chance to watch it. Sounds interesting if it is true.

[applesandorange]

IMO not really because she is back to being sarcastic and rude when people don't agree with her. I used to really like her but somehow she has just gotten nasty at times. I wish Greta was still covering the story

IKWYM. She seems to have her days where she is very rude. Sometimes I wonder how she can keep people on the show. I know if I were some of them I would get tired of being treated that way. I think LP should be allowed to say as much as he wants but she always cuts him off.

[mu8shark]

October 17, 2008
11:13:01 PM


ORLANDO -- A dress found in the woods is now taking center stage in the search for Caylee Anthony.

Investigators said they're testing and reviewing a small dress that is “very, very similar” to a dress belonging to the missing 3-year-old.

The dress was found in the woods last weekend near the airport during a brief new search by the Texas based group Equu-Search.

The dress has now been sent out of state for forensic testing.

Meanwhile the toddler’s mother will be back in court later this month.

Casey Anthony is set to be arraigned on Oct. 28 on first-degree murder charges.

She was indicted earlier this week.

A second court date is then set for Nov. 5 for the child neglect and check fraud charges.

George Anthony Talks To News 13
George Anthony, the grandfather of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, spoke exclusively with News 13 Thursday about the family's latest efforts to find his granddaughter.

Anthony said his family has been cleared by a judge to access all 5,000 tips recorded by the Orange County Sheriff's Office tip line.

This comes after the judge in the case denied the defense's motion to preserve forensic evidence. See previous story.

Anthony added they are disturbed by the fact the Sheriff's Office shut down the tip line in mid-august.

The family's private investigator is looking into multiple potential sightings of Caylee, 3, around the country, including New York and South Carolina, Anthony said.

"We've been getting info out about Puerto Rico, because we believe that's where she is, but the info I've gotten over the last three months is that my granddaughter has been to nine different locations," Anthony told News 13.

Anthony is working to find a new location for the Kid Finder's Network command center, where you can find the Caylee Anthony information billboard, as well as information on other missing children.

Complaints by protestors have forced the billboard off of four different properties.


Lawyer: Caylee Is Alive
As the search for Caylee continues, the controversial question of whether she is dead or alive remains up in the air.

Authorities have said they believe she is dead, but the family disagrees. However, Todd Black, a spokesperson for Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said on CNN Headline News earlier in the week that Caylee is dead.

"This is a very serious case involving -- not just involving the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony," Black said.

Black later told News 13 in a phone interview his statement was in reference to the way the case was being talked about, and was taken completely out of context.

Black hung up when News 13 asked him further questions.

Baez also spoke out, saying he was upset at all the attention the comment has received, and insisting his office still believes Caylee is alive.

"The only reason I am here responding to this is because we have a missing child, and I don't want anyone to stop looking for Caylee because they think that we think she's deceased," Baez said.

Baez added they have new information of recent Caylee sightings, and they have been passing it on to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.


Casey In Protective Custody
Casey Anthony is being held under level one protective custody at the Orange County Jail's female detention center.

Protective custody is normally used in high profile cases.

While in jail, Casey will spend her days in a cell by herself, without inmate contact. She will be allowed out of her cell for one hour per day to take a shower, sit in the dayroom and make phone calls.

Additional time out of the cell can be granted at the discretion of the officers.

Visits with Casey's attorney are allowed at any time. So far, the only visit scheduled was one by Baez Wednesday night.


Possible Prison Time
If Anthony is convicted of the multiple charges against her, she could be looking at major prison time.

Anthony could even face the death penalty for the first-degree murder charge.

She could also be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years for aggravated child abuse, another 30 years for aggravated manslaughter of a child, and five additional years for each of the four counts of providing false information to a law enforcement officer.

That does not include the charges of check fraud against Casey Anthony.

Wow, so given the article I just posted and George saying they believe she is in Puerto Rico, do you guys think this is their theory? How did she get there and since you can't show row a boat to Puerto Rico, she should show up somewhere on a passenger list, I mean if Casey sold her to someone or gave to someone and they got on a plane and they would have had to, where is the passenger list with the name of the woman or man she sold her to? I still think this family is living in fantasy land. On the dress, it was a size six according to Tim Miller which seems too big for Caylee. Cindy held up Caylees dress on the Today show supposedly. I have a photo of Caylee in the dress on my site and if someone can tell me how to load it, I will bring it. Caylee was really little so it could not be that size six dress unless the size was wrong or unless when she outgrew it, they bought her another. Just my opinion.