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[deacon]

Casey Anthony Caught On Video Buying Items With Allegedly Stolen Checks

POSTED: 11:38 am EDT October 8, 2008
UPDATED: 12:56 pm EDT October 8, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- New video released by the State Attorney's Office on Tuesday shows Casey Anthony making some very recognizable purchases at a Target store. A target security video shows Casey buying lingerie and the sunglasses she's often worn while walking in and out of her lawyer's office.
CASEY AT TARGET JULY 8: See Images | Enters/Exits Video | Checkout Counter Video
CASEY AT TARGET JULY 10: See Images | Enters/Exits Video | Checkout Counter Video
CASEY AT BANK: See Images | Raw Surveillance Video
NEW MOTION: Additional Motion Filed By Casey's Attorney (PDF)
WATCH LIVE: Hearing On Casey Anthony Motions At Friday 10:30AM
CASEY ATTENDS MEETING: See Images | Watch Raw Video
READ OTHER MOTIONS: Several Motions Filed By Casey's Attorney (PDF)


The video shows Casey at the checkout counter buying bras, camisoles, chemises and the big white sunglasses. The purchases also included a beret and even the light blue hoodie she was wearing the first time she was arrested
Investigators said Casey bought all of the goods at the Winter Park Target, six days before she was arrested in connection with the disappearance of her daughter Caylee, using a check stolen from her ex-best friend
The video also shows Casey walk out of the store while putting on another pair of large sunglasses.

Video from the downtown Orlando Bank of America, taken five days after the Target shopping spree, shows Casey at the teller's window presenting what investigators say is another stolen check from friend Amy Huizenga for $250 in cash.
The State Attorney's office also released more documents related to the case. The documents detail how Huizenga went to Puerto Rico and let Casey borrow her car. In a statement to the sheriff's office, Huizenga said she had left her checkbook in the glove compartment. When she returned home, she said she found her checking account depleted. She became suspicious of Casey after talking to Casey's mother, Cindy.
The sheriff's office report says at least five checks were written from Huizenga's account and they all had what appeared to be Casey Anthony's name and signature on them. The report indicates Casey was able to use her own identification to somehow write the checks on Huizenga's account. The checks amounted to hundreds of dollars. Casey allegedly also wrote them at a Winn Dixie store where she bought groceries.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17659490/detail.html

How cold. How can there be any doubt that she could kill her daugher. I mean this really shows her personality make up.

[deacon]

Casey Anthony: "I Want to Help Find My Daughter"
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October 8, 2008 - 10:27AM

Casey Anthony wants off house arrest to help find her missing daughter, Caylee.
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http://www.cbs12.com/news/find_4709974___article.html/anthony_help.html

Like she did such a good job over the first month.

I also liked the part in the other article about her telling her brother that "dead squirrels crawled under her hood." Dead animals don't crawl anywhere. give me a break.:mad:

[One2Snoop]

Like she did such a good job over the first month.

I also liked the part in the other article about her telling her brother that "dead squirrels crawled under her hood." Dead animals don't crawl anywhere. give me a break.:mad:

LOL Exactly!

[Gatordog]

Hi O2S

I don't think she's wasting her time, the problem is there isn't enough time. I wish she wouldn't book so many people on one show. I would love to see one show with just Padilla and not so much talking and more listening. I knew he couldn't be right about the body in the dumpster because of the close proximity of the dumpster to two busy roads. But, major road construction was going on there for two months, and still is. The road was all torn up at that exact timeframe in question.


Do you think Casey may have put Caylee in where the construction was taking place? Does anyone know if there is any type of machines, dogs, whatever that could find a body under a newly paved road?

A&O - that's exactly what I'm thinking. They do have cadaver dogs that can detect odors through concrete.

[Gatordog]

I don't know why so many don't like LP...is it just because he bonded her out? His personality? I think the guy is smart, and wanted to do what was best (find Caylee) and thought that HE could do it. Maybe he wanted some publicity too, but whatever. I think he's worth listening to. Last night he stated a theory that I posted yesterday - that Casey wants to 'help search' because she knows that Eqqusearch is coming back and will be looking in the right place this time, and that this is her only chance to flee.

Hey JoeK - agree with you 100%. :beer:

[Gatordog]

So Casey's wardrobe for her new job or should I say job, consists of bras, teddies, nightgowns, lingere, etc. Normally, a young woman buys suits, blouses, shoes, oh, wait, that's when you get a legitimate job not a call girl operation. :D

[One2Snoop]

So Casey's wardrobe for her new job or should I say job, consists of bras, teddies, nightgowns, lingere, etc. Normally, a young woman buys suits, blouses, shoes, oh, wait, that's when you get a legitimate job not a call girl operation. :D

LOL!

What I don't get is how she was able to use these checks with her own signature and ID. 5 different checks and no one caught the discrepancy? Not even the bank! :confused:

The sheriff's office report says at least five checks were written from Huizenga's account and they all had what appeared to be Casey Anthony's name and signature on them. The report indicates Casey was able to use her own identification to somehow write the checks on Huizenga's account.

[One2Snoop]

So are u meaning 3rd party cheques??? Not sure what that means cuz basically very difficult in canada to find a store that will even take a cheque.

No it wouldn't be considered a 3rd party check because Amy didn't have any knowledge of the checks being written - at least thats my understanding. I found this description....

a third party check is a check issued to, for example Jon Doe, and Jon Doe signs it over to Jane Doe that is a third party check

[joekuhl79]

Yes that was what i was wondering if Casey made out the cheque to herself and then forged Amy's signature on it???? Not so sure it would be that lax in the U.S. just trying to grasp this. Over here only 3rd party cheque accepted is at your own bank. You must have the funds to clear the cheque or they will hold it 10 days. When i am in the U.S. strictly cash or credit card. I do see alot of folks using cheques but also notice they seem to have some sort of card-I assume for cheque cashing priv?

I haven't written a check at a store in YEARS, but I highly doubt that any store would allow a third-party to buy anything...I've had to do one at a bank before and they wanted me to jump through so many hoops!

I think the cashiers weer at fault on this, unless Casey had a fake ID...

[One2Snoop]

I haven't written a check at a store in YEARS, but I highly doubt that any store would allow a third-party to buy anything...I've had to do one at a bank before and they wanted me to jump through so many hoops!

I think the cashiers weer at fault on this, unless Casey had a fake ID...

Cashiers at the Target admitted not checking her ID. Or it might of been the store - let me double check on that. I still don't understand the bank not checking for ID though when she cashed that check for $250.

[One2Snoop]

She also bought a $5 bra at Target.... 5 bucks? I wonder what kind of bra it was? LOL. The reporter forgot to mention the case of Bud Light for $13.99 - I would assume thats for a case?

Casey Anthony receipts reveal a frugal shopper

Prosecutors today released a slew of new documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the 22-year-old mother who is a suspect in the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Anthony. Among the documents are receipts from Casey Anthony's recent trips to grocery stores, which show that Casey made use of coupons for more than half of her grocery items. By most Frugees' measures, we'd say that's pretty good!

Casey managed to score coupons for items such as:

Eggo waffles
Hillshire Farms turkey
Tyson meat family pack
Buffalo strips
Kraft and deli cheese
Hamburger buns
Eggs
Something from Pillsbury
Yoplait yogurts
Drinks or salad dressing from Bolthouse
Sudafed
Mucinex
Skim milk
Green Giant vegetables
Ore Ida french fries
Pancake syrup
Spices
Classico spaghetti sauce
Jif peanut butter
Sun-Chips
Celery
Want to see the full grocery receipts? View Casey Anthony's grocery recipets here

Below is link for full receipt list

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/business_frugal_force/casey-anthonys-receipts.html

[deacon]

She also bought a $5 bra at Target.... 5 bucks? I wonder what kind of bra it was? LOL. The reporter forgot to mention the case of Bud Light for $13.99 - I would assume thats for a case?



I guess it didn't have much material in it. :eek: 13.99 would maybe buy two six packs unless it was "bubba beer" You know, the cheap stuff.

[SaraSidle]

I'd be speculating but people go kayaking all the time. The river is still very high so perhaps someone had a canoe and used the rope to tie it to the shore.

Found a picture - this is the path which runs parallel to the river. The otherside of the bank is just brush, trees and wildlife. At the end of the path that the bikes are headed is a YMCA.

Gator
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://outdoortravels.com/files/fl_econgw_12_jblansign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://outdoortravels.com/biking_fl_overview_littleecontrail.html&h=324&w=432&sz=23&hl=en&start=4&um=1&usg=__XjPUWksH3MHNCbxvwMbZooLqvzE=&tbnid=r5SdD2cBqXP96M:&tbnh=95&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpics%2Bof%2BJay%2BBlanchard%2BPark%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX


Thanks Gator. I wonder if it is open at night. would be a great place to go in the dark to get rid of something with 2 people. Interesting it is connected to Goldenrod............IMO

[One2Snoop]

Investigators Convinced Casey Killed Caylee, Seeking New Charges

POSTED: 11:38 am EDT October 8, 2008
UPDATED: 6:18 pm EDT October 8, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- On the same day investigators released surveillance video showing Casey Anthony on a shopping spree with someone else's money, Eyewitness News has learned prosecutors are seeking new charges against Casey in the death of her daughter.

Investigators and prosecutors believe they have a strong circumstantial case against Casey, strong enough to take it to an Orange County grand jury during a special session October 14. They don't have all the answers, they won't say whether Caylee suffered and they don't have Caylee's body, but they do believe they have a mother who killed her daughter.

Investigators do have forensic evidence showing Caylee is dead and that at one time her body was in the trunk of her mother's car, but they have no "smoking gun" indicating how Caylee was killed.

Prosecutors will take what evidence they have to the grand jury and let the panel decide what the charges should be, murder, manslaughter or maybe nothing at all right now until more evidence is found.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17659490/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Video's of Casey shopping. Just remember, the next time you go to Target be sure to pick your nose before you get out of the car otherwise they might catch you on video. :D

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CASEYWFLTARGET710_1008200804 58&cat=Local&title=Casey%20At%20Waterford%20Lakes%20Target%20Ju ly%2010

http://i33.tinypic.com/2yzbd02.jpg
Casey picks her nose as she enters Target

[lorettalockhorn]

Video's of Casey shopping. Just remember, the next time you go to Target be sure to pick your nose before you get out of the car otherwise they might catch you on video. :D


And don't forget the hand sanitizer in case your items were picked up by previous pickers.

October 14th. Save the date!

[One2Snoop]

And don't forget the hand sanitizer in case your items were picked up by previous pickers.

October 14th. Save the date!

LOL - did you see the picture I posted above? http://i34.tinypic.com/21otvrb.gif http://i37.tinypic.com/108bhgl.gif ROFLMAO...

October 14th it is! :beer:

[TOEJAM]

I would like to thank Gator for the local info and the pictures of the area, makes things a whole lot easier to follow from 4000 miles away, now i would like to see a picture of Casey behind bars with no indication of a key for many years........

[SaraSidle]

LOL - did you see the picture I posted above? http://i34.tinypic.com/21otvrb.gif http://i37.tinypic.com/108bhgl.gif ROFLMAO...

October 14th it is! :beer:

Okay Loretta. I must be real tired. what is October 14th?

[SaraSidle]

Great posting One2Snoop. I guess the wheeling and dealing may start. I still think Equusearch found something and that is why they are coming back and these charges may be coming. Without a body they must have something that they have held back. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

And don't forget the hand sanitizer in case your items were picked up by previous pickers.

October 14th. Save the date!

LOL Loretta please ignore this. I know by now you think i am an airhead. I got it!!!!!!!!! thanks anyways

[SaraSidle]

I would like to thank Gator for the local info and the pictures of the area, makes things a whole lot easier to follow from 4000 miles away, now i would like to see a picture of Casey behind bars with no indication of a key for many years........

I second that. Gator you have been great with all your information and very helpful. As TOEJAM says it is very frustrating to be so far away. sara

[One2Snoop]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wc1cwn.jpg

[SaraSidle]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wc1cwn.jpg

LP just told NG that they have everything figured out and Caylee is by the airport and that is where Tim Miller is going. WOW. she let him finish whether it is true or not.......................IMO

[One2Snoop]

LP just told NG that they have everything figured out and Caylee is by the airport and that is where Tim Miller is going. WOW. she let him finish whether it is true or not.......................IMO

He also said he thinks Tim will find Caylee before Tuesday's grand jury hearing. I hope he's right.

[SaraSidle]

He also said he thinks Tim will find Caylee before Tuesday's grand jury hearing. I hope he's right.

It gets better One2Snoop. LP came on again and said Caylee is SE of the airport and in the same conversation I believe he said south of the Anthony's and north of the airport. LP thinks she better give Caylee up or she will get the real deal on Tuesday as you said. I do not trust myself anymore O2S. I am not sure now about locations. Maybe I heard wrong. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

It's so good to see some movement in this. Caylee deserves to be buried. Re-news hopes she may be found. Baez now needs to snatch those big honkin sunglasses off his client. Should they now not be entered into evidence??:D

who knows beem. anything is possible in this case. It blows my mind. sometimes I think it is a movie I cannot stop watching. LE has to be sure to be taking this to the grand jury. And they have let out so much information not only can she not get a fair jury but I also think this is another move to make a deal. There better be a lot more that we do not know about. I still think Equusearch saw or found something. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

I hear ya Sara-so surreal. Whomever the lady was speaking tonight-forgot her name-she said at the very end of the show that LE had much more than the public knows. Let's hope she is right.:beer:

Yes beem I totally agree. I just wish I could believe something I hear or see that ties it all up but I have not yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sara

[beachbum]

It's so good to see some movement in this. Caylee deserves to be buried. Re-news hopes she may be found. Baez now needs to snatch those big honkin sunglasses off his client. Should they now not be entered into evidence??:D

yeah those sunglasses are stolen property. Can you believe she had the gall to sign her own name. What a friend she was to Amy to wipe out her account. I dont think she probably has one friend anymore. She never ceases to amaze me--Casey that is. They did say on NG that there is probably alot of information that they have not made public. Can you imagine?

[SaraSidle]

yeah those sunglasses are stolen property. Can you believe she had the gall to sign her own name. What a friend she was to Amy to wipe out her account. I dont think she probably has one friend anymore. She never ceases to amaze me--Casey that is. They did say on NG that there is probably alot of information that they have not made public. Can you imagine?

No I cannot imagine but would just love to hear it. beachbum

[SaraSidle]

Thats probably why she was corresponding with that 12 yr. old on her laptop. She knew she used and abused any friends she had. The jig was up. I think she is going down and cant wait for the day.:rose:

Very good points beem. I do believe the grand jury is secret but if they say no she can still be charged later..........imo sara

[beachbum]

Thats probably why she was corresponding with that 12 yr. old on her laptop. She knew she used and abused any friends she had. The jig was up. I think she is going down and cant wait for the day.:rose:

Ditto! I cant wait either. She thought she was so sly! They have her on video purchasing all her "goodies" and you can tell by the video she is so worried about finding Caylee NOT! I just hope she doesnt get off. And I hope they do not let her go search for her.
She would like to get away Im sure to another country. I do figure that is why they have put the camera on the house to
watch her every move. She is trapped in the house with her parents-Im sure she is loving every minute of it. lol. I wish Mr. Miller lots of luck in his search. Why her parents have chosen to stand by Casey I will never understand. Who is standing up for Caylee? We are-the american public that is who. So sad the grandparents let her down. jmo

[SaraSidle]

Ditto! I cant wait either. She thought she was so sly! They have her on video purchasing all her "goodies" and you can tell by the video she is so worried about finding Caylee NOT! I just hope she doesnt get off. And I hope they do not let her go search for her.
She would like to get away Im sure to another country. I do figure that is why they have put the camera on the house to
watch her every move. She is trapped in the house with her parents-Im sure she is loving every minute of it. lol. I wish Mr. Miller lots of luck in his search.

I agree beachbum......but remember she has a 30 day lead on LE. there is some conniving and intelligence in that. Sometimes it makes me wonder about her father and the 2 cops she dated helped her along with info....IMO

[beachbum]

I agree beachbum......but remember she has a 30 day lead on LE. there is some conniving and intelligence in that. Sometimes it makes me wonder about her father and the 2 cops she dated helped her along with info....IMO

I honestly think her father had about had it with Casey from things that were reported -that he was ready to get a divorce from Cindy because of Casey and her lies and etc but apparently Cindy is the one that really catered to Casey and it sounds like George didnt agreed with it.
I dont know how they are all staying in the same house without some kind of violence between them. I do know it must be haunting not hearing Caylee in that house where she played and her room, her clothes. That has to be just beyond terrible for Cindy and George--Casey--Im sure its not phased her a bit. JMO

[SaraSidle]

I honestly think her father had about had it with Casey from things that were reported -that he was ready to get a divorce from Cindy because of Casey and her lies and etc but apparently Cindy is the one that really catered to Casey and it sounds like George didnt agreed with it.
I dont know how they are all staying in the same house without some kind of violence between them. I do know it must be haunting not hearing Caylee in that house where she played and her room, her clothes. That has to be just beyond terrible for Cindy and George--Casey--Im sure its not phased her a bit. JMO

Again I agree beachbum. Casey is a daddy's girl but does not get far with it since she has a terrible love/hate relationship with Cindy. Now Lee is the oldest and favorite son. he does not need much attention but he also has not had grandkids. with all the control that Casey got I am very suprised that she did not become aneorixic. that battle of control between mother and daugher is old. real old. and casey needed to get out of it. please do not get me wrong cause I am not defending her and I do not think Geaorge or Cindy knew any better at least at first when they were raising Casey...................IMO sara

[Gatordog]

Thanks Gator. I wonder if it is open at night. would be a great place to go in the dark to get rid of something with 2 people. Interesting it is connected to Goldenrod............IMO

Good morning SaraSidle :seeya:

Lots of interesting stuff in the news. I hope they go forward with the grand jury and nail her on all charges for prosecution.

Regarding the park - it is locked at dusk or 8 p.m. whichever comes first, but that couldn't stop someone from climbing the chain link fence or going in through the wooded side which doesn't have the trail.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I second that. Gator you have been great with all your information and very helpful. As TOEJAM says it is very frustrating to be so far away. sara

Thank you very much. It's just so great being able to communicate with people who are as interested in this as I am. A lot of people are interested for a week or two and then on to the next news item. Plus, so many blogs are full of nasty notes and slams that it's nice to read true insights and feelings.

Gator

[Gatordog]

He also said he thinks Tim will find Caylee before Tuesday's grand jury hearing. I hope he's right.

The area he mentioned is north of the airport so it's even closer to the Anthony home. My mother drives Lee Vista Blvd twice a week to the airport and she said that about three weeks ago, along a road called Econlockhatchee (Econ for short - which is also the river that goes through JB Park), and Lee Vista Blvd two wooded areas have been posted as " do no enter". It's no more than 10 minutes from the Anthony house. This is also the route she tood (Lee Vista) to go to Waterford Lakes which is where Fusian, Target and the Sports Authority is located. I would say she is very familiar with it.

Perhaps Ruzzty is more familiar with the area or has passed it recently.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Cashiers at the Target admitted not checking her ID. Or it might of been the store - let me double check on that. I still don't understand the bank not checking for ID though when she cashed that check for $250.

Local news WFTV said that the ID was checked to the signature on the check but the signature was not checked to the actual address or name on the top of the check. DUH! I see many Quality and Procedure meetings coming up.

[Gatordog]

I honestly think her father had about had it with Casey from things that were reported -that he was ready to get a divorce from Cindy because of Casey and her lies and etc but apparently Cindy is the one that really catered to Casey and it sounds like George didnt agreed with it.
I dont know how they are all staying in the same house without some kind of violence between them. I do know it must be haunting not hearing Caylee in that house where she played and her room, her clothes. That has to be just beyond terrible for Cindy and George--Casey--Im sure its not phased her a bit. JMO

Hello Beachbum - I agree - I am so glad that LE took away the handgun that George had in his car. It isn't hard to imagine a double murder suicide happening in that house.

[applesandorange]

I hope LP is right and Tim Miller finds Caylee's body before Tuesday. I really don't see Casey giving anything up to LE. I think she will ride this till the end. IF LP is right in where he thinks Caylee's body is and Casey heard him say that; she is probably sweating bullets but hanging on to the hope that they don't find Caylee. She won't say a word until Caylee is found and even then she won't talk. She is doomed. I can't wait for her to be arrested on murder charges.

[beachbum]

Fox is reporting on their website that Casey maybe charged with murder soon.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435002,00.html

Said she is preparing for the worse...she better. Its not looking good for her.

I do hope they have all their ducks in a row. Dont want her to get away with this one. I just cant imagine killing your child. It wasnt an accident not in this case, the baby just got in her way. jmo

Still very curious what information they have we dont know about. Maybe its the key to putting her away. Let us hope.

[One2Snoop]

Local news WFTV said that the ID was checked to the signature on the check but the signature was not checked to the actual address or name on the top of the check. DUH! I see many Quality and Procedure meetings coming up.

Ahhhh I see and I bet you're right about those meetings. Thanks for info! :patriot:

[beachbum]

Thank goodness Target had those videos showing her demeanor. She was happy as a lark. She was really looking for Caylee wasnt she---in the lingerie dept of Target or in the beer dept. Good one Casey! (jmo)

[applesandorange]

Has anyone heard if Tim Miller has arrived in Florida yet and met with LE? I though LP said on NG last night that Tim would be there this morning. I could be wrong though. So much to remember.

[One2Snoop]

Has anyone heard if Tim Miller has arrived in Florida yet and met with LE? I though LP said on NG last night that Tim would be there this morning. I could be wrong though. So much to remember.

A&O

This was in the OrlandoSentinal yesterday - I haven't checked news updates for today yet...

4:07 p.m. The director of the Texas-based group that helped organize the volunteer search for Caylee Marie Anthony will be back in Central Florida on Friday, an organization spokeswoman just told the Orlando Sentinel.

[Gatordog]

Gator have u heard anything as to what the water levels are like now in the area's Tim want to search? We apprec. u being our eyes and ears down there. Too early but:beer:anyways

It's much better than it was a few weeks ago. I haven't seen the specific area but there is no more standing water where there shouldn't be. The rivers, ponds and lakes are pretty high, but are within their banks again.

[beachbum]

Has anyone heard if Tim Miller has arrived in Florida yet and met with LE? I though LP said on NG last night that Tim would be there this morning. I could be wrong though. So much to remember.

Padilla really seemed to think that they have the right area to search this time according to her cell phone pings and her whereabouts with dates and times. He said it tooks some time to get all the information together. Lets hope this will be the final place they have to search. I think they did say Tim would be there today.

[One2Snoop]

Video at this link - reports only 4 team members will be here to evaluate and search could resume by this weekend with over 1,000 volunteers...

VIDEO: Search Team Returns
http://www.local6.com/news/17662297/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

The area he mentioned is north of the airport so it's even closer to the Anthony home. My mother drives Lee Vista Blvd twice a week to the airport and she said that about three weeks ago, along a road called Econlockhatchee (Econ for short - which is also the river that goes through JB Park), and Lee Vista Blvd two wooded areas have been posted as " do no enter". It's no more than 10 minutes from the Anthony house. This is also the route she tood (Lee Vista) to go to Waterford Lakes which is where Fusian, Target and the Sports Authority is located. I would say she is very familiar with it.

Perhaps Ruzzty is more familiar with the area or has passed it recently.

Gator

I googled that area on the map and all the woods looked pretty small in comparison to some other wooded areas. great post Gatordog thanks

[One2Snoop]

Grand Jury May Consider Homicide Charges For Casey
Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:17:42 PM

ORLANDO -- A hearing for Casey Anthony is set for Friday morning as the search for 4-year-old Caylee continues.

New motions filed by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, will be heard during the pre-trial hearing.

News 13 will be broadcasting the Friday hearing live starting at 10:30 a.m.
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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/9/grand_jury_may_consider_new_charges_for_casey.html

[Gatordog]

WFVT.com will also be showing the court hearing live on the internet.

Casey has decided that she's had enough of the Caylee teeshirts. Today, she wore a tight fitting button blue shirt and what looks to be a denim miniskirt (see pic). Gee, she's not smiling. Wonder why? :rolleyes:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com

[Gatordog]

I got the idea for this from SaraS, and I hope it works. I went onto google and was able to pinpoint the Anthony house. If it doesn't work. sorry. But I'll give you street directions so you can find it on satellite. If you left the Anthony house you would go from Hopespring Drive to Grandee. On Grandee you would come out on Chicasaw Trail and go south for about 1/4 mils and you would be on Lee Vista. You can see how wooded it is just behind their house. If you went east on Lee Vista you would come to the intersection of Econlockhatchee. I believe the area they are going to search is close by. (the Anthoy house number if 4937 and I think it is a little below where it is opening up to on the map. I don't think the pool was installed yet) It's the second house past the cul de sac).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lee+Vista+Blvd+%26+S+Econlockhatchee+Trail,+Orla ndo,+Orange,+Florida+32829,+United+States&sll=28.504176,-81.262189&sspn=15.374136,23.378906&layer=c&ie=UTF8&ll=28.485516,-81.260776&spn=0.000941,0.001427&t=h&z=19&cbll=28.485212,-81.261036&panoid=Ya23b4HcPAOdX95pTTokjw

[Kellapple]

WFVT.com will also be showing the court hearing live on the internet.

Casey has decided that she's had enough of the Caylee teeshirts. Today, she wore a tight fitting button blue shirt and what looks to be a denim miniskirt (see pic). Gee, she's not smiling. Wonder why? :rolleyes:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com

Those sunglasses she is wearing on that picture look like the ones she bought at Target with the stolen checks. What nerve she has if they are.

[applesandorange]

Video at this link - reports only 4 team members will be here to evaluate and search could resume by this weekend with over 1,000 volunteers...

VIDEO: Search Team Returns
http://www.local6.com/news/17662297/detail.html


Thank you so much. I'm glad they are coming back. With any luck they will find Caylee this weekend and everyone will finally be able to breathe a sigh of relief. Well everyone but Casey.

[applesandorange]

Those sunglasses she is wearing on that picture look like the ones she bought at Target with the stolen checks. What nerve she has if they are.


She does have nerve. I bet those are the same glasses. She doesn't care HOW she got her items as long as she has them. To her once she is in posession of the item it is hers no matter how she got it.

[joekuhl79]

Thank goodness Target had those videos showing her demeanor. She was happy as a lark. She was really looking for Caylee wasnt she---in the lingerie dept of Target or in the beer dept. Good one Casey! (jmo)

"Look at me, buying all this stuff with someone else's money!"

Yeah, part of her defense: "You know how kids like to hide in the clothes racks - I was looking for Caylee there and decided to pick some things up!"

[applesandorange]

Padilla really seemed to think that they have the right area to search this time according to her cell phone pings and her whereabouts with dates and times. He said it tooks some time to get all the information together. Lets hope this will be the final place they have to search. I think they did say Tim would be there today.


I agree, Padilla did seem very confident of the area this time. I sure hope he's right and they find Caylee's body before Tuesday. I too think he said Tim would be there today and then a member of Eqqusearch said Tim would be there to talk to LE and look over the area to see if conditions are right to search. I am wondering if it might be kept more under tabs this time. The search I mean. Wouldn't it be funny to surprise Casey on Tuesday with the news that they found the body? I don't know if by law they can keep evidence held back like that but it would be priceless.

[beachbum]

She does have nerve. I bet those are the same glasses. She doesn't care HOW she got her items as long as she has them. To her once she is in posession of the item it is hers no matter how she got it.

I wonder if she will "dress down" for court compared to the mini skirt and unbuttoned top she is wearing to her attys office(posted in a link a couple posts back) so everyone will think she is a wholesome innocent mother.(lol) jmo

[Kellapple]

It appears the cam is working again

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

I think Casey is supposed to be home by 4:00 pm (Florida time) about 30mins from now

[One2Snoop]

Those sunglasses she is wearing on that picture look like the ones she bought at Target with the stolen checks. What nerve she has if they are.

They are the same sunglasses - I believe it was mentioned on Nancy Grace last night - so yes she's wearing stolen merchandise IMO.

Can someone please post any updates in the news updates thread for today. I have some other things I need to deal with right now and won't be able to get to it until late afternoon/evening. Thanks so much. :seeya:

[beachbum]

They are the same sunglasses - I believe it was mentioned on Nancy Grace last night - so yes she's wearing stolen merchandise IMO.

Can someone please post any updates in the news updates thread for today. I have some other things I need to deal with right now and won't be able to get to it until late afternoon/evening. Thanks so much. :seeya:

Could she be arrested for possession of stolen property? Sometimes they do that.

[Kellapple]

They are the same sunglasses - I believe it was mentioned on Nancy Grace last night - so yes she's wearing stolen merchandise IMO.

Can someone please post any updates in the news updates thread for today. I have some other things I need to deal with right now and won't be able to get to it until late afternoon/evening. Thanks so much. :seeya:

Could she be arrested for possession of stolen property? Sometimes they do that.

She should be arrested then. That is stolen property!!! IMO

One2, good to see you. I will just wait for your updates, you have done a fantastic job. Kelly

[SaraSidle]

http://www.local6.com/news/17662297/detail.html

this was posted at 3:18 pm est

[Kellapple]

I know i have been crabbing about those stupid sunglasses. You would think Baez would have half a brain since he is trying to redeem his client with such nonsense as her wanting to search now yadayada. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know-tell your client not to be wearing the items purchased when ripping off people WTH?????:cuss:

I'm "crabbing" about the sunglasses too.:) (I found me a new word-tks)

I don't understand why Baez does a lot of the stuff he does (IMO)

He should tell her to tone it down. I mean all the make-up and jewelry.

Also what he said: "it's not in her best interest to say what she knows" ??????

[Kellapple]

She thinks she's a star. Bodyguards, the lights, the cameras, fans, etc. I really think she enjoys the attention. She probably googles herself everyday to see how many searches have been done on her. (IMO)

She just needs to say where Caylee is and stop this madness. I don't understand why Baez let that immunity deal pass.

I just posted an article: her father is to testify AGAINST her!!

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html

[Kellapple]

Beemeup, I agree. I'm crabbing on those glasses too. LOL

I don't know how that family is getting along. I would love to be a fly on the wall. I'm thinking George and Cindy's marriage won't last after all this. JMO

Why do you suppose Lee wouldn't submit to a DNA test?

I always wondered if Casey didn't have something on them to make them "support" her through all this. The whole thing is just so weird.

[beachbum]

She thinks she's a star. Bodyguards, the lights, the cameras, fans, etc. I really think she enjoys the attention. She probably googles herself everyday to see how many searches have been done on her. (IMO)

She just needs to say where Caylee is and stop this madness. I don't understand why Baez let that immunity deal pass.

I just posted an article: her father is to testify AGAINST her!!

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html

I smell divorce for George and Cindy.

[SaraSidle]

I know-I cant even begin to guess why he would decline.N.G. was good tonight. Looks like they are going for Murder 1 as they should in my opinion. good to hear from many on the show that LE has info public does not know. Did anyone catch it on headline news seconds before N.G. started? Talked of C.Anthony case going before grand jury next week and that her lawyer Baez states Casey is prepared for the worst. Shocked me a defense atty. would state this so early in the game. I pray for conditions to have improved enough that Caylee can be found and put to rest.:rose:
yeah but you can take Baez any way you want to . Now if I was a Casey supporter I would say she is being framed so they are preparing for the worst. imo

[SaraSidle]

I just seriously hope Caylee is put to rest and Casey spends the rest of her life in jali......................IMO

[mu8shark]

I have kind of always thought because of the cadaver dogs that Caylee was buried for a time in the backyard. I wonder if she buried her on the day she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor. I wonder if it is possible that the day George caught her in the garage and she fought with him over opening the trunk if Caylee's body was in there as she dug it up just then. Here is my question, I do not have sound on my comp, it broke so I could not listen to George's interview and can find no transcript. I know George mentions the smell and being concerned about it. But does he say in his interview he smelled something on the day he found Casey in the garage or does the smell concern him the very first time at the tow yard? Thanks in advance.

[SaraSidle]

I have kind of always thought because of the cadaver dogs that Caylee was buried for a time in the backyard. I wonder if she buried her on the day she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor. I wonder if it is possible that the day George caught her in the garage and she fought with him over opening the trunk if Caylee's body was in there as she dug it up just then. Here is my question, I do not have sound on my comp, it broke so I could not listen to George's interview and can find no transcript. I know George mentions the smell and being concerned about it. But does he say in his interview he smelled something on the day he found Casey in the garage or does the smell concern him the very first time at the tow yard? Thanks in advance.

You know I keep getting slipped up by that smell. I mean the media makes it like Caylee died in the trunk of an overdose of Chloroform. First I think the chloroform was for her parents whom she wanted to move out so she and Amy could have the house. As far as George goes I am sorry I have not seen anything that he smelled decomp in the car except when he picked it up from Amscot..............IMO

[mu8shark]

Early on there was a chemist on NG who explained how chloroform would work and just keep saturating a closed trunk; Sorry to disagree but chloroforming two adults I think would be difficult and she would still have Lee to contend with for the house. Also, I think it is not a coincidence the chloroform was found in the trunk and so was evidence of Caylee decomposing if you believe the dna and post morten hair band story. I think for a girl like Casey this would be an ideal method to kill her daughter, knives and guns, too messy and too hands on. I do believe there is a lot to this theory that Caylee was killed this way.

[SaraSidle]

Early on there was a chemist on NG who explained how chloroform would work and just keep saturating a closed trunk; Sorry to disagree but chloroforming two adults I think would be difficult and she would still have Lee to contend with for the house. Also, I think it is not a coincidence the chloroform was found in the trunk and so was evidence of Caylee decomposing if you believe the dna and post morten hair band story. I think for a girl like Casey this would be an ideal method to kill her daughter, knives and guns, too messy and too hands on. I do believe there is a lot to this theory that Caylee was killed this way.

Please explain how decomp was in the sandbox and playhouse? Also please explain how she could have not killed her parents in their bedroom or pool with her Chloroform? thank you

[soccermom]

I noticed the sunglasses too in that picture but .....did ya noticed??????

In the video of her shopping at Target she bought that blue top ((the one when she got arrested the 1st time)) PLUS no clothes whats so ever for Caylee. It was all for her----pants, bra's, shirts etc.....and yes those ugly--yes ugly in my eyes.

[Sea Zephyr]

I think it's very interesting that Lee refused to have a dna swab. That really opens up some possibilities. Perhaps he was somehow involved, if not in the murder itself, then in disposing of the body.

[One2Snoop]

I think it's very interesting that Lee refused to have a dna swab. That really opens up some possibilities. Perhaps he was somehow involved, if not in the murder itself, then in disposing of the body.
I've heard the only reason a dna swab was requested was to see if Lee was the bio dad of Caylee. :eek:

Sick thought and I know this has been brought up numerous times before, even early on in the case but has LE pursued it that we know of? :shrug:

Thats one thing I'd hate to speculate on and be dead wrong about - I'll leave it at that until we hear otherwise. JMO.

[sharlock]

I really don't think that Lee would be the father, I guess I could be wrong but it just doesn't sound right to me. I think he doesn't want to give dna for the same reason he asked his parents not to do the lie detector test. He knows something has happened to Caylee and now doesn't want to see his sister swing for it, so he is doing damage control as best he can. Also if he does think something happened to Caylee he'd have to be thinking about the last time he was in that trunk pulling out the spare tyre and so forth. He could be concerned that he could be linked to Caylees death when (imo) he had nothing to do with it. Just hypothesizing here so go easy on me lol!

[BentNotBroken]

Hi all, I have just been reading updates. Have a lot going on here so havent been on for a week. Wow it seems to be closing in on casey now. I am wondering tho, with that witness account and phone pings, in the spot near the airport that they are searching tomorrow, just how would she get rid of the body? We know she had no shovel, as she borrowed the neighbours that time, and returned it after an hour. If she had purchased one, then surely there would be a record of that. Same as if she had borrowed one, or stole one. I hope Im explaining what i am trying to say LOL. So, either she didnt bury caylee, or she had help. If she didnt bury her (now Im talking this exclusive spot where she was seen coming out from by that woman, and she didnt have a shovel on her, and she was alone), what else could she have done with the body in that area?

[BentNotBroken]

I really don't think that Lee would be the father, I guess I could be wrong but it just doesn't sound right to me. I think he doesn't want to give dna for the same reason he asked his parents not to do the lie detector test. He knows something has happened to Caylee and now doesn't want to see his sister swing for it, so he is doing damage control as best he can. Also if he does think something happened to Caylee he'd have to be thinking about the last time he was in that trunk pulling out the spare tyre and so forth. He could be concerned that he could be linked to Caylees death when (imo) he had nothing to do with it. Just hypothesizing here so go easy on me lol!

Yeah i tend to agree now that caylee wasnt an incest child. I wonder why they said that about the dna sample from the car tho, weird. I dont think Lee or Cindy were involved at all, because of the very first statements they made to police. I was iffy about george, I still am not too sure about him not knowing everything. After reading his statement tho about her not letting him near the trunk, has made me belive maybe he didnt help her. The confusing bit to me is that dna found near her playhouse by the cadaver dogs. If she did initially bury her there, then dug her back up, surely her parents would have noticed the disturbed ground. Anyway, we will all have to wait and see what happens next week.

[sharlock]

Hi all, I have just been reading updates. Have a lot going on here so havent been on for a week. Wow it seems to be closing in on casey now. I am wondering tho, with that witness account and phone pings, in the spot near the airport that they are searching tomorrow, just how would she get rid of the body? We know she had no shovel, as she borrowed the neighbours that time, and returned it after an hour. If she had purchased one, then surely there would be a record of that. Same as if she had borrowed one, or stole one. I hope Im explaining what i am trying to say LOL. So, either she didnt bury caylee, or she had help. If she didnt bury her (now Im talking this exclusive spot where she was seen coming out from by that woman, and she didnt have a shovel on her, and she was alone), what else could she have done with the body in that area?
She could have simply thrown her in some water weighted down, covered her with scrub or hid her under a rock ledge. If she did leave Caylee exposed then the body will likely be very hard to find by now due to scavengers but bones should still be locatable. If she did bury her in a shalow grave then we have our best shot at finding cause of death.

[Woostock]

I don't think Lee is the father of Caylee. With all the males Casey was with no doubt it's one of them. Which one, who knows!! I think her brother is trying to support his sister in some way, misguided loyalty but I have seen people do that---in spite of all evidence to the contrary stick by someone ---sort of a protective role. I can't even imagine the stress in that house now. In the best of circumstances it was a nightmare and now with the latest info from LE it must be unbearable. Maybe now Cindy will be forced to face the unbearable fact that her daughter was responsible for Caylee's death. She needs to step up to the plate and get Casey to tell the truth and hopefully find the remains of Caylee.

[sharlock]

Yeah i tend to agree now that caylee wasnt an incest child. I wonder why they said that about the dna sample from the car tho, weird. I dont think Lee or Cindy were involved at all, because of the very first statements they made to police. I was iffy about george, I still am not too sure about him not knowing everything. After reading his statement tho about her not letting him near the trunk, has made me belive maybe he didnt help her. The confusing bit to me is that dna found near her playhouse by the cadaver dogs. If she did initially bury her there, then dug her back up, surely her parents would have noticed the disturbed ground. Anyway, we will all have to wait and see what happens next week.
I beleive there was some disturbance of the dirt in the backyard and it was George who showed it to the police for it to be checked if I remember correctly. The neighbour said the shovel was clean (why would she wash it if she just pulled out some bamboo shoots?) when it was returned to him so I think she did bury her there for a short time. I also thought that they might have had sand under the playhouse like lots of people do to break a kids fall but I really don't know.

[BentNotBroken]

She could have simply thrown her in some water weighted down, covered her with scrub or hid her under a rock ledge. If she did leave Caylee exposed then the body will likely be very hard to find by now due to scavengers but bones should still be locatable. If she did bury her in a shalow grave then we have our best shot at finding cause of death.

Thanks, I wasnt too sure if there was water there. I was afraid she would have just hid her somewhere, as I realise animals would move her remains. That would be her style tho, dump her off fast and cover her up, so she could get back to her life and shopping sprees. Must be a real excluded spot to do that tho. I havent read everything just been skimming tonight.

[BentNotBroken]

I don't think Lee is the father of Caylee. With all the males Casey was with no doubt it's one of them. Which one, who knows!! I think her brother is trying to support his sister in some way, misguided loyalty but I have seen people do that---in spite of all evidence to the contrary stick by someone ---sort of a protective role. I can't even imagine the stress in that house now. In the best of circumstances it was a nightmare and now with the latest info from LE it must be unbearable. Maybe now Cindy will be forced to face the unbearable fact that her daughter was responsible for Caylee's death. She needs to step up to the plate and get Casey to tell the truth and hopefully find the remains of Caylee.
Im wondering when they will crack. I would have thought long before now.
I agree with you about Lee, he has prolly always been protective of casey. Big brother thing.

[BentNotBroken]

I beleive there was some disturbance of the dirt in the backyard and it was George who showed it to the police for it to be checked if I remember correctly. The neighbour said the shovel was clean (why would she wash it if she just pulled out some bamboo shoots?) when it was returned to him so I think she did bury her there for a short time. I also thought that they might have had sand under the playhouse like lots of people do to break a kids fall but I really don't know.

I didnt realise George showed them the disturbance of dirt. Or I did and forgot, so much in this case to remember, does your head in. We dug out bamboo shoots, but we use a small hand tool. You can dig them out with a fork even LOL. (dinner fork)

[Gatordog]

On N.G. tonight it was stated both Cindy and George would have to testify. Probably Lee yet to be served. We have to remember what the Grand Jury is about-Prosecution side only. So anything they do say is going to be against Casey and support the pro's theory. It was discussed how George will testify as to the odour in the car. Stolen gas cans and Casey slamming down the trunk after getting them before her father could have a visual inside. Wont be able to backpeddle on that one or anything else audio/video taped by LE. Is anyone else thinking what i am trying so hard not to let enter my brain as to why Lee declined the dna swab. Ok i put it out there and typically i would never go there but this is all just so sick nothing would surprise me. Maybe he is just trying in his own way to say no just to show support towards his sister. It just couldn't get that twisted could it?:o

Local news stated that the DNA test was to eliminate Cindy, George and Lee's as the hair that was in the trunk of the car. Makes me wonder if someone could be concerned that his DNA could have deposited on some evidence as he was helping to dispose of the body. Just a hypothetical situation here.

[Gatordog]

You know I keep getting slipped up by that smell. I mean the media makes it like Caylee died in the trunk of an overdose of Chloroform. First I think the chloroform was for her parents whom she wanted to move out so she and Amy could have the house. As far as George goes I am sorry I have not seen anything that he smelled decomp in the car except when he picked it up from Amscot..............IMO


When interviewed by the detectives at the station, George tells the detective that he does not like the smell in the car. He is emphatic that saying that is going to get him in trouble but he is concered about that smell. He implies without saying the words - that it's death. I'll see if I can find the transpcript and will post it.

Gator

[Kellapple]

Live cam in front of court house:


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

working for now

[Gatordog]

Please explain how decomp was in the sandbox and playhouse? Also please explain how she could have not killed her parents in their bedroom or pool with her Chloroform? thank you

She was calling her parents cell phones to make sure they weren't home so she could put the body in the yard. They were at work and then they were supposed to go away on vacation but I think they only went for a few days. She put the body in the backyard for the days she thought the parents were going to be away to buy herself some time. She then backed-up the car into the garage to retrieve the body but found her father had put a new lock on the shed, which she could not break into to get a shovel. Desperate, she went next door to borrow their shovel to dig up the body and put it in her trunk before her parents returned. She drove around with the body for a few days before she could find a place to dispose of it without being seen or found in the future.

I don't think she would have killed both her parents. I am pretty sure she might have killed her father. By setting him up with a supposed "stroke" she was laying the foundation for illness. I think she thought she could manipulate her mother to give her the house once the father was dead. For all we know, she could have been trying to frame her mother for the father's death.

[Gatordog]

She could have simply thrown her in some water weighted down, covered her with scrub or hid her under a rock ledge. If she did leave Caylee exposed then the body will likely be very hard to find by now due to scavengers but bones should still be locatable. If she did bury her in a shalow grave then we have our best shot at finding cause of death.

Hi Sharlock,

Hiding her under scrub is very possible. We have no large rocks at all here in Central Florida so that's not possible. As far as putting her in water, unless dropped from a bridge or in a boat, the water would be very shallow and that could lead to the body being found. We do have lots of people who fish in the creeks, ponds and lakes so that's dangerous. There really isn't any way that I can think of without a boat or bridge where the body could have been put into deep water.

[Gatordog]

I agree with your part re: She did not expect anyone to be home. I figure those are details that have not been made public yet. Even as twisted as Casey is she is going to want a wide berth of time. Not sure tho Gator about her offing her parents. Not out of her realm. It would not be the first time a child has mass murdered those in the house. What her plan was to get away with it i cant even begin to guess. I just dont rule it out all together. This we may never know. She was on a spree-no pun intended,murder,shopping for her own needs. I do accept what was on N.G. last night. Re: Motive:Casey could not go to Puerto Rico-no money,child in the way etc.

I don't think she wanted to kill the parents, but it was in response to SaraS' question as to would she. I do think she was setting George up for something. Why tell friends that he was cheating on Cindy? She told friends her mother was divorcing her father. She told friends her father was not well because he had a stroke. She was plotting something.:no:

[samanthajane13]

Did anyone stop to think that maybe Caylee was GEORGE'S baby???

Stranger things have happened...and with Casey being "loose in the caboose", it would throw the suspicion on SO MANY OTHERS.

We all see that there are some MAJOR dysfunctions with this family...

Also-I think that Caylee WAS buried in the back yard, but taken in the trunk with the gas cans to another location, and then Casey burned her body and disposed of the bones.

[Gatordog]

Bad news weatherwise. We had lots of rain last night. Weather report said 3.6 inches. My pail in the yard said close to 6 inches. It's raining today. Not good for searching. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Tim says it's okay. He's supposed to rent a helicopter today and check out the terrain, weather permitting.

Gator

[beachbum]

According to the lady(maybe she was just a reporter not sure)on NG--I assume the investigators are looking at the Monday after Fathers Day(the day she left with Caylee) as being the day something happened to Caylee.
I dont know if maybe Tony said she left with Caylee and went to Blockbuster or what but there is a timeline they are using where there was no cell phone usage at all for a 3 hour period and then she shows back up at Tony's apt--possibly with no Caylee and she was never seen again. She also calls her friend Amy and tells her the smell is gone-she got rid of the dead squirrels.
I cant wait to hear the actual theory of the investigators.

[Sea Zephyr]

I'm interested... where does Lee live, and what does he do for a living?

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL Loretta please ignore this. I know by now you think i am an airhead. I got it!!!!!!!!! thanks anyways

Sara, I am in no position these days to call anyone an airhead. That would be a case of the pot and the kettle. :hat:

I second that. Gator you have been great with all your information and very helpful. As TOEJAM says it is very frustrating to be so far away. sara

Agree. Thanks to Gator for helping us with orientation!

Lots of good posts today. Didn't I read that Lee has now been served with a warrant for DNA? Is it possible that he was previously simply exerting his rights? If for nothing else, to bollix things? Surely there are reasons for his hair to be in the trunk of the car, but if it looked like Casey had help, he would want to clear himself of any malevolent reasons.

[LadyFisher]

Oh i agree i think the parents where in for something. I do believe she was going to get them out of the way somehow whether it was sooner or later, interesting to kick around diff. theories. I was convinced awhile back that she was going to kill both Caylee and her parents then her plan was foiled somehow. Now i am leaning toward her having a plan for them but something that took some time. Would she,Could she-Absolutely.
Why would she have wanted to kill her parents.....they still had a mortgage on their home, didn't they??? Casey sure wasn't going to work to pay it off, if her plan was getting the home for herself......I think she wanted Caylee out of the way so she could party....I do think she would drug the child with something (not certain if it was Xanax or what), and then put her in the trunk to get her out of the way....something went terribly awry....but I still believe it was 1st degree murder due to extreme negligence! JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Local news stated that the DNA test was to eliminate Cindy, George and Lee's as the hair that was in the trunk of the car. Makes me wonder if someone could be concerned that his DNA could have deposited on some evidence as he was helping to dispose of the body. Just a hypothetical situation here.

Thanks for clarifying Gator. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

I'm interested... where does Lee live, and what does he do for a living?

He lives within a 5 minute drive to his parents home and not sure what he does employment wise other than I remember him saying in the LE interview that he travels quite a bit for his job.

[LadyFisher]

He lives within a 5 minute drive to his parents home and not sure what he does employment wise other than I remember him saying in the LE interview that he travels quite a bit for his job.Why would he refuse to give hair samples or take a lie detector test??? Wonder if Casey has confided to him about the true circumstances of her daughter???
http://www.wftv.com/video/17686019/index.html

[beachbum]

Why would she have wanted to kill her parents.....they still had a mortgage on their home, didn't they??? Casey sure wasn't going to work to pay it off, if her plan was getting the home for herself......I think she wanted Caylee out of the way so she could party....I do think she would drug the child with something (not certain if it was Xanax or what), and then put her in the trunk to get her out of the way....something went terribly awry....but I still believe it was 1st degree murder due to extreme negligence! JMHO

She would probably be an heir of their life insurance and Lee too I would assume-if they had any but they would have to be dead for her to collect. She told one of her friends that her mom and dad were getting ready to deed her the house. I think she even talked of going out shopping for new things for her house. Its in one of the interviews the investigators had with her friends. JMO

[LadyFisher]

Not sure why-I flip flop. Insurance money i have no idea. I do stongly lean toward now that yes caylee needed to be out of the way. I also lean toward it was also a way to hurt her mother in the worst way. If you dont kill someone physically you can do it emotionally. This case has taken so many turns i think we all flip flop as news presents itself. Logically it would not make sense. Nothing she has done does make sense. In my opinion Murder 1 she planned Caylee's murder. I back it up due to the Chloraform searches. MOO:beer:You could be correct about insurance money, I didn't even think of that possibility, wonder if George or Cindy had any life insurance??? I think Casey is a psychopath!

[LadyFisher]

She would probably be an heir of their life insurance and Lee too I would assume-if they had any but they would have to be dead for her to collect. She told one of her friends that her mom and dad were getting ready to deed her the house. I think she even talked of going out shopping for new things for her house. Its in one of the interviews the investigators had with her friends. JMOShe is a real sicko, isn't she? I just cannot get over her living a life of lies and deception with everyone...she is a scary person.....I do so wish they would find Caylee's body.....that child needs to be laid to rest! Such a shame!

[One2Snoop]

Grand Jury May Consider Homicide Charges For Casey
Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:17:42 PM

ORLANDO -- A hearing for Casey Anthony is set for Friday morning as the search for 4-year-old Caylee continues.

New motions filed by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, will be heard during the pre-trial hearing.

News 13 will be broadcasting the Friday hearing live starting at 10:30 a.m.
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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/9/grand_jury_may_consider_new_charges_for_casey.html

I just wanted to bring this up to the front. Now that would be 11:30 Eastern time right???

Did anyone get to watch this?

Beem - the 10:30 am time was posted by the local Florida TV News channel 13.

[Notknowingall]

You could be correct about insurance money, I didn't even think of that possibility, wonder if George or Cindy had any life insurance??? I think Casey is a psychopath!

Regarding the house-it is possible that GA and CA have insurance that pays off the house if they die. Casey could stand to gain a free house out of it if she was to off them. However, I see her as MAYBE wanting to get rid of GA because of what he knows but not CA since she is defending Casey to no end JMO.

[Kellapple]

Did anyone get to watch this?

Beem - the 10:30 am time was posted by the local Florida TV News channel 13.


I got to watch some of it. I'm at work and the phone kept ringing:mad:

It was okay, nothing exciting. And Casey was a no show....I have not heard why. Also the judge didn't make a decision yet on whether to let her leave home confinement to go "search" for Caylee. He said later this afternoon or Monday

[beachbum]

She is a real sicko, isn't she? I just cannot get over her living a life of lies and deception with everyone...she is a scary person.....I do so wish they would find Caylee's body.....that child needs to be laid to rest! Such a shame!

Well you know she is a real sicko to have snuffed out her own child. I just cant imagine anyone doing that but I know it happens everyday. I just shutter when I think about her doing it. JMO

Im at work anyone able to see any coverage of the hearing???

[Kellapple]

You can watch part I

http://www.wftv.com/video/17687549/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Cell 'Pings' Key To Search

Hundreds of "pings" from the cell phone of Casey Anthony have apparently led to site searches for the child and helped investigators track her movements.

Local 6 tracked the 754 times Anthony's cell phone communicated with a cell tower -- called pings -- and mapped 20 different towers the calls reached.

The pings came during a period from June 16 -- the day Caylee Anthony was last seen alive -- to June 30 -- the day Casey Anthony's car was towed from an Amscot with signs of human decomposition was found in the trunk.

Records indicated that 97 percent of the cell phone pings came at or around her boyfriend's apartment near Winter Park, her parents' home located off Chickasaw Trail and the Fusian nightclub and a friend's house in Orlando.

However, it is some of the other 3 percent of pings that have raised some questions, Local 6 reported.

On June 17, the day after George Anthony said he last saw his granddaughter alive, Casey Anthony apparently returned to the family home at about 2:30 p.m.

Then, around 4 p.m., the phone pinged a cell tower southwest of the family home at Lee Vista Boulevard and South Goldenrod, Local 6 reported. The location was near where detectives directed EquuSearch volunteers to look for signs of Caylee several weeks ago.

At 5:20 p.m., Anthony's cell pinged a tower near Blanchard Park at state Road 50 and Goldenrod, Local 6 reported. That site was also searched in August by EquuSearch.

Records showed that Casey Anthony's cell phone went silent during a time between 5:23 and 8:23 on June 17 -- no text messages, no calls in and no calls out.

Anthony then turned up near her boyfriend's apartment, records showed.

On June 18, a neighbor of Casey Anthony's parents said they noticed the woman borrowed a shovel and backed her car into her parents' home garage. Cell pings showed that Casey Anthony was at or near her parents' home between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m.

And after 28 minutes of cell phone silence, Casey Anthony's phone pinged an unusual spot -- along the Econ Trail located south of Lake Underhill, Local 6 reported.

It was again an area detectives in which were interested and and asked EquuSearch volunteers to search, Local 6 reported.

Investigators first subpoenaed Casey Anthony's cell phone records the day after she was arrested in July and have been analyzing them ever since.

http://www.local6.com/news/17684865/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I got to watch some of it. I'm at work and the phone kept ringing:mad:

It was okay, nothing exciting. And Casey was a no show....I have not heard why. Also the judge didn't make a decision yet on whether to let her leave home confinement to go "search" for Caylee. He said later this afternoon or Monday

Thanks for the update ~ I hope the judge decides today - I don't think I can wait til Monday LOL.

[Gatordog]

I'm interested... where does Lee live, and what does he do for a living?

During the bond hearing, he testified that he lived at home until two years ago. He got a job as an account manager which included an on-site apartment. I remember reading somewhere that he worked for a time share resort type place near Disney. I cannot confirm that is true. But I did here him say at the bond hearing that he moved to his apartment two years ago.

[Notknowingall]

Cell 'Pings' Key To Search

Hundreds of "pings" from the cell phone of Casey Anthony have apparently led to site searches for the child and helped investigators track her movements.

Local 6 tracked the 754 times Anthony's cell phone communicated with a cell tower -- called pings -- and mapped 20 different towers the calls reached.

The pings came during a period from June 16 -- the day Caylee Anthony was last seen alive -- to June 30 -- the day Casey Anthony's car was towed from an Amscot with signs of human decomposition was found in the trunk.

Records indicated that 97 percent of the cell phone pings came at or around her boyfriend's apartment near Winter Park, her parents' home located off Chickasaw Trail and the Fusian nightclub and a friend's house in Orlando.

However, it is some of the other 3 percent of pings that have raised some questions, Local 6 reported.

On June 17, the day after George Anthony said he last saw his granddaughter alive, Casey Anthony apparently returned to the family home at about 2:30 p.m.

Then, around 4 p.m., the phone pinged a cell tower southwest of the family home at Lee Vista Boulevard and South Goldenrod, Local 6 reported. The location was near where detectives directed EquuSearch volunteers to look for signs of Caylee several weeks ago.

At 5:20 p.m., Anthony's cell pinged a tower near Blanchard Park at state Road 50 and Goldenrod, Local 6 reported. That site was also searched in August by EquuSearch.

Records showed that Casey Anthony's cell phone went silent during a time between 5:23 and 8:23 on June 17 -- no text messages, no calls in and no calls out.

Anthony then turned up near her boyfriend's apartment, records showed.

On June 18, a neighbor of Casey Anthony's parents said they noticed the woman borrowed a shovel and backed her car into her parents' home garage. Cell pings showed that Casey Anthony was at or near her parents' home between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m.

And after 28 minutes of cell phone silence, Casey Anthony's phone pinged an unusual spot -- along the Econ Trail located south of Lake Underhill, Local 6 reported.

It was again an area detectives in which were interested and and asked EquuSearch volunteers to search, Local 6 reported.

Investigators first subpoenaed Casey Anthony's cell phone records the day after she was arrested in July and have been analyzing them ever since.

http://www.local6.com/news/17684865/detail.html

I really hope that those cell pings pan out and Equisearch find something that help put Casey away.

[One2Snoop]

How do you folks feel the judge should rule on this and why?

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. No
7. No
8. Hell No!

Why? Because Casey hasn't been charged with anything yet. Hell No to her searching for Caylee, JMO. :D

[Kellapple]

How do you folks feel the judge should rule on this and why?

I don't think she should be let out to "search" for Caylee. She is just too late. It would just be an excuse to get out of the house. Home confinement is just that - home confinement. She already gets to go see her attorney for 6 hours a day and it's been said she plays on the internet. (IMO)

The other stuff about discovery, that's just normal I guess but it seems to me that Baez got his way on most of that.


Part II
http://www.wftv.com/video/17687881/index.html

[Gatordog]

Why would she have wanted to kill her parents.....they still had a mortgage on their home, didn't they??? Casey sure wasn't going to work to pay it off, if her plan was getting the home for herself......I think she wanted Caylee out of the way so she could party....I do think she would drug the child with something (not certain if it was Xanax or what), and then put her in the trunk to get her out of the way....something went terribly awry....but I still believe it was 1st degree murder due to extreme negligence! JMHO

Casey doesn't think in terms of payments, mortgages, responsibilies, etc. She probably had no idea there was even a mortgage or a second mortgage on the house. She thinks money grows on trees.

[beachbum]

How do you folks feel the judge should rule on this and why?

Well I personally feel she didnt search for Caylee before so why let her search now. She knows -as her atty feels its not in her best interests to tell what she knows-therefore it would be best for her to stay at home while others that care more for her daughter than she does to search. If Casey really cared about her daughter she would share what she knows so the tot could be found and it be put to rest. JMO.

[One2Snoop]

Don't know if you all recall but Casey was given a chance to help search back in August....

http://i33.tinypic.com/2wrpuup.jpg

I don't think she should be let out to "search" for Caylee. She is just too late. It would just be an excuse to get out of the house. Home confinement is just that - home confinement. She already gets to go see her attorney for 6 hours a day and it's been said she plays on the internet. (IMO)

The other stuff about discovery, that's just normal I guess but it seems to me that Baez got his way on most of that.


Part II
http://www.wftv.com/video/17687881/index.html

IMO she was given a chance to help search for Caylee back in August and didn't take it - I wonder what's changed since then? :shrug:

[deacon]

On the subject of DNA and lie detector. I can see several reasons Lee would object to a lie detector test. One is they are not allowed as evidence in court and are somewhat inaccurate. There is no real reason for him to take a lie detector test. He isn't the one under suspicion.

DNA, however, is another subject. IF he submits, on his own, to a DNA test his DNA would be on file to be compared to in other crimes or other matters. Now, while I may not be adversed to giving the DNA sample, I would not take a lie detector test. It is fruitless and I know how my body systems react under mental stress. I could flunk the test on the questions they would ask him and I live hundreds of miles from there and have, in fact, never been that far south.

I really see no use in the lie detectoe test but would be intersted in the DNA. For crying out loud all they are trying to do is elimate him from the equation. If he has no other links to a crimial case of paternity issues, go for the DNA test. (I think he is just trying to be a pain in the "donkey" to the police)

Just my "twisted thoughts."

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure why-I flip flop. Insurance money i have no idea. I do stongly lean toward now that yes caylee needed to be out of the way. I also lean toward it was also a way to hurt her mother in the worst way. If you dont kill someone physically you can do it emotionally. This case has taken so many turns i think we all flip flop as news presents itself. Logically it would not make sense. Nothing she has done does make sense. In my opinion Murder 1 she planned Caylee's murder. I back it up due to the Chloraform searches. MOO:beer:

Agree, if the chloroform was used to kill Caylee, the computer searches make it seem premeditated. Even if she only meant to drug Caylee and the death was accidental, the immunity deal has long since passed and she has forced The State's hand in prosecuting her.

She would probably be an heir of their life insurance and Lee too I would assume-if they had any but they would have to be dead for her to collect. She told one of her friends that her mom and dad were getting ready to deed her the house. I think she even talked of going out shopping for new things for her house. Its in one of the interviews the investigators had with her friends. JMO

If George and Cindy had a clue, and Caylee was to ever be their ultimate beneficiary, they would have put their estate into trust for her (with someone other than Casey as trustee). Of course, that kind of move might be considered a motive for murder. I would imagin that they might have mortgage insurance, but once again, they might not have named Casey as a beneficiary, but someone who would be capable and responsible for Caylee's future. (Just musing based on Cindy's assessment of Casey's parenting skills.)

[Kellapple]

IMO she was given a chance to help search for Caylee back in August and didn't take it - I wonder what's changed since then? :shrug:


What's changed is she is probably going stir crazy.

I don't think the judge is going to let her and Baez go "search". (at least I hope)

Anyone know why she didn't show up for court?

[Notknowingall]

What's changed is she is probably going stir crazy.

I don't think the judge is going to let her and Baez go "search". (at least I hope)

Anyone know why she didn't show up for court?

IIRC there was a local news story yesterday that she was not required nor was she expected to attend.

[One2Snoop]

Judge Grants Anthony Defense Access To Car, Forensic Tests


POSTED: 12:06 pm EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 12:18 pm EDT October 10, 2008

Judicial Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland disagreed Friday with an argument by Orange County prosecutors that the evidence did not pertain to the child neglect charges that Anthony faces in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee.

Strickland allowed motions that the defense be given access to forensic tests involving chloroform, DNA air samples and hair strands within 10 days. He denied access to evidence collected by cadaver dogs.

Defense attorney Jose Baez had sought the car and other items available so he can conduct his own tests.

Anthony did not attend the hearing. Her daughter has not been seen since June, but wasn't reported missing until a month later.

http://www.local6.com/news/17687263/detail.html

[LadyFisher]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. No
7. No
8. Hell No!

Why? Because Casey hasn't been charged with anything yet. Hell No to her searching for Caylee, JMO. :DI so agree!:beer:

[Kellapple]

IIRC there was a local news story yesterday that she was not required nor was she expected to attend.


I know she is not required. But everything I had read was that she was supposed to attend. I just wondered what changed her mind, of course we'll never know.

[Kellapple]

Maybe it's good that Baez got his way on most of the motions, that way the judge won't be accused of being partial WHEN he says no to the search motion. IMO

[Kellapple]

Thanks for the update ~ I hope the judge decides today - I don't think I can wait til Monday LOL.

Pooh, looks like we are going to have to wait:


Judge rules on some requests at Casey Anthony hearing, reviewing others
Amy L. Edwards, Sarah Lundy and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
2:02 PM EDT, October 10, 2008

Judge Stan Strickland will not rule today on the remaining motions filed by defense attorney Jose Baez that were argued this morning, including a request to seal Anthony's weekly home confinement schedule.

Story Here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-101008,0,1363369.story

[lorettalockhorn]

During the bond hearing, he testified that he lived at home until two years ago. He got a job as an account manager which included an on-site apartment. I remember reading somewhere that he worked for a time share resort type place near Disney. I cannot confirm that is true. But I did here him say at the bond hearing that he moved to his apartment two years ago.

How nice for him that he has(had) a job and a place to live. Considering that Casey has allegedly cost Zenaida both.

[Gatordog]

It wasn't easy but I found George's interview with the police. He sounds as if he is being very cooperative and honest. I'm listening now and it's really interesting. Much more than any other interview. He's talking now about following her on the toll road because he's doubting her stories.


Gator

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html

[Gatordog]

Wow - George says his daughter has almost the same personality as his wife -Oh, now we're getting into the car being towed.

Gator

At 38 minutes into into the tape - he starts talking about the smell in the car.

Casey's backpack was black - the one they found at JB Park - was black. He thinks Caylee's was white with brown monkeys.

[One2Snoop]

Wow - George says his daughter has almost the same personality as his wife -Oh, now we're getting into the car being towed.

Gator

LOL I must have missed that part! How far into the recording was it?

[Notknowingall]

Me too. I must go back and listen again. George does come across as very honest and relaxed. I think he speaks from the heart. Yes and I do remember Padilla stating that very same thing that both Cindy and Casey were alike-Padilla took it a step further and stated George was living with 2 very controlling women. I know there have been reports of a temper. I shall reserve judgement unless both sides of that story of the altercation between he and his father ever surface. If it's even fact. Not that i agree how he was carrying on in front of his house but i dont think the mans life has been too easy with those women. He appears to me to really care and love that little granddaughter. Maybe thats why he stayed. MOO

ITA beemeup. I believe the stress of the whole thing got to him and he finally blew. I am guessing that he has no outlet for his anger inside the house. George seems to me like a straight up kind of fella caught up in this mess.

[One2Snoop]

I was under the impression as well that Casey was going to show up at court today. I agreed with what the judge ruled on today. I thought he was fair and stuck to fact at hand. I felt anything Baez asked for and got tied in with the child neglect charges. Other than of course her being allowed to search. I just cant see that fly. So no fashion critique today i guess-sorry just a little sarcasm.:shrug:

Super squirrel to the rescue....

http://i36.tinypic.com/vfysty.jpg

[Gatordog]

LOL I must have missed that part! How far into the recording was it?

Maybe 33 minutes. I was just a little before he talks of the car. Poor guy, he states it isn't easy to live in his house.

[Sea Zephyr]

ITA beemeup. I believe the stress of the whole thing got to him and he finally blew. I am guessing that he has no outlet for his anger inside the house. George seems to me like a straight up kind of fella caught up in this mess.

I can't help it. I think they're all nuts. Would super squirrel like some nuts??

[Gatordog]

Super squirrel to the rescue....

http://i36.tinypic.com/vfysty.jpg

Hey O2S - that's so cute. Too bad he couldn't rescue those squirrels that died and then crawled into the engine of Casey's car. :D

[Gatordog]

Well friends, I'm out of the office next week on vacation. But I'll find a way to check in. I'm not traveling, just taking time off. I should have changed to the week of November 17 because I think that's when Casey's neglect trial will start. I'll be staying up till all hours probably watching it on recording.

Gator :seeya:

[Kellapple]

Well friends, I'm out of the office next week on vacation. But I'll find a way to check in. I'm not traveling, just taking time off. I should have changed to the week of November 17 because I think that's when Casey's neglect trial will start. I'll be staying up till all hours probably watching it on recording.

Gator :seeya:


Enjoy your time off. :)

[One2Snoop]

Well friends, I'm out of the office next week on vacation. But I'll find a way to check in. I'm not traveling, just taking time off. I should have changed to the week of November 17 because I think that's when Casey's neglect trial will start. I'll be staying up till all hours probably watching it on recording.

Gator :seeya:

Enjoy your time off - :beer: We'll miss your input.

[One2Snoop]

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The judge tabled the following three motions and said he would not rule before Monday: Motion To Preserve Forensic Evidence, Motion For Allowing Defendant To Travel To Places Of Interest and Motion To Seal.

Shortly after the hearing ended, the Anthony family released the following statement: "Judge Strickland's decision today to grant access to all of the tips regarding Caylee's sightings is a victory for Caylee Marie. This is the first step in bringing Caylee home safely."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

OMG u are hysterical ROFLMAO :)

Just a little comic relief through all this crazy madness LOL. :D

[LadyFisher]

snipped...
The judge tabled the following three motions and said he would not rule before Monday: Motion To Preserve Forensic Evidence, Motion For Allowing Defendant To Travel To Places Of Interest and Motion To Seal.

Shortly after the hearing ended, the Anthony family released the following statement: "Judge Strickland's decision today to grant access to all of the tips regarding Caylee's sightings is a victory for Caylee Marie. This is the first step in bringing Caylee home safely."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.htmlIf they really want to bring Caylee home, then they should cooperate in every way possible.....Lee should submit to DNA testing and a LDT IF finding Caylee is his main concern....and poor George needs to put his foot down and be the man of the house, slap the snot out of Casey until she tells the truth! That's just my humble opinion....this case is just so frustrating!:cuss:

[LadyFisher]

Well friends, I'm out of the office next week on vacation. But I'll find a way to check in. I'm not traveling, just taking time off. I should have changed to the week of November 17 because I think that's when Casey's neglect trial will start. I'll be staying up till all hours probably watching it on recording.

Gator :seeya:Kick back and relax, enjoy your time off....it's been a pleasure to meet you and the others today!http://th410.photobucket.com/albums/pp183/missylove1329/creddys/th_14.gif

[Kellapple]

If they really want to bring Caylee home, then they should cooperate in every way possible.....Lee should submit to DNA testing and a LDT IF finding Caylee is his main concern....and poor George needs to put his foot down and be the man of the house, slap the snot out of Casey until she tells the truth! That's just my humble opinion....this case is just so frustrating!:cuss:

Lady I share your humble opinion once again.

[LadyFisher]

Lady I share your humble opinion once again.Thank you for the comment, there for a minute I thought I was talking to myself again.....I just can't break that habit.....I'm old...lol!http://th278.photobucket.com/albums/kk86/redrose57/th_maxine.jpg

[SaraSidle]

She was calling her parents cell phones to make sure they weren't home so she could put the body in the yard. They were at work and then they were supposed to go away on vacation but I think they only went for a few days. She put the body in the backyard for the days she thought the parents were going to be away to buy herself some time. She then backed-up the car into the garage to retrieve the body but found her father had put a new lock on the shed, which she could not break into to get a shovel. Desperate, she went next door to borrow their shovel to dig up the body and put it in her trunk before her parents returned. She drove around with the body for a few days before she could find a place to dispose of it without being seen or found in the future.

I don't think she would have killed both her parents. I am pretty sure she might have killed her father. By setting him up with a supposed "stroke" she was laying the foundation for illness. I think she thought she could manipulate her mother to give her the house once the father was dead. For all we know, she could have been trying to frame her mother for the father's death.

So Gator..........I agree with that you are saying mostly. I still think the parents were in the plan though. So you are saying she was moved around in the backyard before Casey got rid of the body. What about her being killed in the trunk with chloroform? that is where I get confused. I have to wait all weekend for you to come back. If I was rich I would buy you a computer............sara

[Kellapple]

So Gator..........I agree with that you are saying mostly. I still think the parents were in the plan though. So you are saying she was moved around in the backyard before Casey got rid of the body. What about her being killed in the trunk with chloroform? that is where I get confused. I have to wait all weekend for you to come back. If I was rich I would buy you a computer............sara


Good thoughts from Gator.

Sara how bout' this: If Caylee died in the trunk, then maybe Casey moved her body to the back yard to bury her and then decided it wasn't a good idea so then moved her again from the back yard back into the trunk? (to bury her elsewhere. If the trunk smelled that bad, I would think the body was pretty decomposed. IMO

I can see her doing that in desparation to cover her tracks.

[SaraSidle]

Good thoughts from Gator.

Sara how bout' this: If Caylee died in the trunk, then maybe Casey moved her body to the back yard to bury her and then decided it wasn't a good idea so then moved her again from the back yard back into the trunk? (to bury her elsewhere. If the trunk smelled that bad, I would think the body was pretty decomposed. IMO

I can see her doing that in desparation to cover her tracks.

what I am wondering though Kelly is decomp was in the sandbox(which had a cover) and the playhouse. that is a lot of moving around of a deceased body but maybe she was panicked and your theory is correct. But on the other hand then I wonder if she died in the pool and then put her in both places in the backyard, then decided on the trunk because she knew her mom and dad would be home soon which calls for the cellphones to her parents. I have no idea which you already know IMO sara

[Brainstorm]

Good thoughts from Gator.

Sara how bout' this: If Caylee died in the trunk, then maybe Casey moved her body to the back yard to bury her and then decided it wasn't a good idea so then moved her again from the back yard back into the trunk? (to bury her elsewhere. If the trunk smelled that bad, I would think the body was pretty decomposed. IMO

I can see her doing that in desparation to cover her tracks.

Of course I dont know, am totally speculating, BUT I think thats about what happened,IMO.Borrowing the shovel for an hour sound more like digging something UP instead of burying it. It would take much longer,IMO, to dig a hole that big. Sorry,this is bad,but I know,because I just buried my beloved dog,approx. 25 lbs.
I never did understand about the bush,shrubs,whatever they had moved from one spot to another IIRC.Wasnt that one of the spots the dogs hit on,IIRC?
I also can see Casey doing that to try to cover her tracks. Im hoping they done GOT WISE to that little B/i/t/c/h/ REALLY.imoo

[LadyFisher]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17690352/index.html Am I the only one that just can't stand this guy!:eek:

[SaraSidle]

Did he miss the class on handling the press-No comment would have sufficed and staring at the wall. Sheesh if i was his wife i would cuff him. Looked like a school boy talking to a girl for the first time. Good Gawd have some respect Baez. It's atty's like you that give defence atty's a really bad name.:D

Sometimes I think all the publicity and new statements everyday is a way for us not to focus on the real thing. I sure hope the evidence works. IMO

[LadyFisher]

I think she is going down and down very soon. We may never know all the details. Interesting to hear everyone's opinion's. Especially while we wait for dear Caylee to be put to rest. And for Casey to go down.I do so hope she is going down soon.....I cannot wait to follow her trial and see a conviction!

[LadyFisher]

Did he miss the class on handling the press-No comment would have sufficed and staring at the wall. Sheesh if i was his wife i would cuff him. Looked like a school boy talking to a girl for the first time. Good Gawd have some respect Baez. It's atty's like you that give defence atty's a really bad name.:DHe doesn't really realize we despise his client, does he??? I wonder how much the Anthonys have paid him???

[SaraSidle]

Of course I dont know, am totally speculating, BUT I think thats about what happened,IMO.Borrowing the shovel for an hour sound more like digging something UP instead of burying it. It would take much longer,IMO, to dig a hole that big. Sorry,this is bad,but I know,because I just buried my beloved dog,approx. 25 lbs.
I never did understand about the bush,shrubs,whatever they had moved from one spot to another IIRC.Wasnt that one of the spots the dogs hit on,IIRC?
I also can see Casey doing that to try to cover her tracks. Im hoping they done GOT WISE to that little B/i/t/c/h/ REALLY.imoo

It is very confusing Brainstorm. Evidence shows
1- she was buried in the sandbox
2-she was buried in the playhouse
3 she was kept in the trunk

where does the chloroform come in. was it in the trunk and that is where she died first or last. and i still think the chloroform was for her parents because she kept telling her best friend Amy that her parents were moving into an apartment and Amy was supposed to move in with Casey.

[Kellapple]

Of course I dont know, am totally speculating, BUT I think thats about what happened,IMO.Borrowing the shovel for an hour sound more like digging something UP instead of burying it. It would take much longer,IMO, to dig a hole that big. Sorry,this is bad,but I know,because I just buried my beloved dog,approx. 25 lbs.
I never did understand about the bush,shrubs,whatever they had moved from one spot to another IIRC.Wasnt that one of the spots the dogs hit on,IIRC?
I also can see Casey doing that to try to cover her tracks. Im hoping they done GOT WISE to that little B/i/t/c/h/ REALLY.imoo

Sorry about your pup. I have my 14 year old cat buried in my back yard. AND yes it took some digging (my son had to do it).

The shovel never was an issue with me since I think I settled with the fact that Casey only used it to break into the shed to get the gas cans. I'm pretty sure LE took the shovel but there was no "dna/evidence" on it. (IMO)

I personally do not believe George and Cindy had any knowledge of what Casey was up to. And they still don't (imo)

I'm not in any way trying to defend the Anthony's. BUT, here in Florida, I am continuously moving plants and bushes. Everyone I know does. All of this is just me speculating..

AND BRAIN, it sure is a pleasure to be posting with again.

[SaraSidle]

I hear ya sara-i wonder if the chloroform was to make it a soft kill-please pardon my words. No noise,no struggle,no pleading little eyes staring up at you. I know i keep flip flopping on the parent thing. was she just spinning Amy to keep her in her pocket so to speak???

Or beemeup could this have been a different accident? I know there are posters that think it is deliberate and I cannot argue that but what if she had the chlororom in the trunk for her parents and Caylee accidently breathed too much...... :shrug:sara

[Kellapple]

It is very confusing Brainstorm. Evidence shows
1- she was buried in the sandbox
2-she was buried in the playhouse
3 she was kept in the trunk

where does the chloroform come in. was it in the trunk and that is where she died first or last. and i still think the chloroform was for her parents because she kept telling her best friend Amy that her parents were moving into an apartment and Amy was supposed to move in with Casey.

Confused? Why? It's all so simple. (being sarcastic)

This has to be the most confusing case I have ever followed. Her lies have stretched so WIDE. They are even going to other States to find a Zaneida Gonzalez. This is so mind boggling as to be ridiculous. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Confused? Why? It's all so simple. (being sarcastic)

This has to be the most confusing case I have ever followed. Her lies have stretched so WIDE. They are even going to other States to find a Zaneida Gonzalez. This is so mind boggling as to be ridiculous. IMO

I agree and I am frustratingly trying to stick to the evidence which is about as bad all all lies and media. I am so confused over this and everytime I think I am onto something the media comes up with all new stuff. IMO sara

[Kellapple]

It better be televised. People have been so wrapped up in this public deserve answers. Never mind the searchers or the LE. How they do it i have no idea. I just got jury summoned. I am proud to serve if chosen- but pray it is not the case coming up this winter. I dont want to look at photos of 4 bodies. My hat is off to those that can do the work. I want to hear Baez "splain" all about Miss Anthony. I heard awhile ago he is Pro Bono. Cindy and George will have pretty much lost everything anyway's. Still the Civil suit from the real Zaneida. :rose:

Hey Beemeup. (I have family in Canada)

I was recently summoned for jury duty too. And I couldn't wait to serve, but then I got another notice saying the case was settled so I didn't have to.

I think the Caylee Anthony case will be televised. Unfortunately as sad as this story is....it still brings "viewers" which brings "ratings" which brings "advertisers" which brings "$$$". IMO

THere was a poll on the telecast on line today asking if people thought the case was worth persuing via news/web/television. 89% said yes!

[TOEJAM]

Of course I dont know, am totally speculating, BUT I think thats about what happened,IMO.Borrowing the shovel for an hour sound more like digging something UP instead of burying it. It would take much longer,IMO, to dig a hole that big. Sorry,this is bad,but I know,because I just buried my beloved dog,approx. 25 lbs.
I never did understand about the bush,shrubs,whatever they had moved from one spot to another IIRC.Wasnt that one of the spots the dogs hit on,IIRC?
I also can see Casey doing that to try to cover her tracks. Im hoping they done GOT WISE to that little B/i/t/c/h/ REALLY.imoo


I have never been to Florida but from what i remember from school many years ago Florida soil is mostly sand, Gator said there were no large rocks in Central FL so digging might be very easy, might be easy enough that she could borrow the shovel. dig Caylee up in the back yard, drive 5 or 10 minutes. a quick walk into the woods, dig a shallow grave. and return the shovel to the neighbor....in my area the soil in the woods has a layer of decomposing leaf matter on top and it would be easy to scrape that aside.

just thinking out loud......

[SaraSidle]

I have never been to Florida but from what i remember from school many years ago Florida soil is mostly sand, Gator said there were no large rocks in Central FL so digging might be very easy, might be easy enough that she could borrow the shovel. dig Caylee up in the back yard, drive 5 or 10 minutes. a quick walk into the woods, dig a shallow grave. and return the shovel to the neighbor....in my area the soil in the woods has a layer of decomposing leaf matter on top and it would be easy to scrape that aside.

just thinking out loud......

Interesting observation TOEJAM wish Gator or Ruzzty could let us know. IMO

[Kellapple]

Interesting observation TOEJAM wish Gator or Ruzzty could let us know. IMO

I can answer this!!

The soil is mostly sand. Where I live. But the closer you get to the Orlando area, inland, the soil is actually nice and dark and thick for growing. I live in an area where the soil is very loose. Mostly sand. Is why we move our bushes and plants around looking for the best spot.

But, inland, The soil is thicker. Especially in the middle of Florida where all the lakes and rivers are. There are a lot of places in FL that are not "buildable" and are "swampy" and will never be "populated" But you will find that us Floridians build all around those areas and sell them as "the place to live"

[SaraSidle]

I can answer this!!

The soil is mostly sand. Where I live. But the closer you get to the Orlando area, inland, the soil is actually nice and dark and thick for growing. I live in an area where the soil is very loose. Mostly sand. Is why we move our bushes and plants around looking for the best spot.

But, inland, The soil is thicker. Especially in the middle of Florida where all the lakes and rivers are. There are a lot of places in FL that are not "buildable" and are "swampy" and will never be "populated" But you will find that us Floridians build all around those areas and sell them as "the place to live"

I understand. My house was buit on a sand dune. dig 2 inches and you get sand. Hard to grow things thought. because we are on a hill there is really no dampness. I wish Tim and his people luck and pray they find her.

[Kellapple]

I understand. My house was buit on a sand dune. dig 2 inches and you get sand. Hard to grow things thought. because we are on a hill there is really no dampness. I wish Tim and his people luck and pray they find her.

Me too! (ie: Tim and his people)

We are going through a dry spell, again, here in FL. The hurricanes, as bad as they are, bring us rain that we need. The areas that need to be searched, are always, or should be, that way. I think that could be why Casey picked those places. Swamps and overgrowth of alligators. I'm taking my vacation in about two weeks on the St. John's. And I count on that land being unpassable by humans:eek:

[applesandorange]

Has anyone heard anything about Tim Miller and if he checked the areas to see if they are searchable? I am so anxious for him to begin the search. I cannot wait for Caylee to be found and Casey to face justice.

[Kellapple]

Has anyone heard anything about Tim Miller and if he checked the areas to see if they are searchable? I am so anxious for him to begin the search. I cannot wait for Caylee to be found and Casey to face justice.


I like your name for obvious reasons:biggrin:

But seriously, Tim Miller is not going to search where he is not wanted AND his reputation IMO is such that he will search where there is a chance and where he is told. IMO
I personally believe that he will search where he has a chance at success. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Me too! (ie: Tim and his people)

We are going through a dry spell, again, here in FL. The hurricanes, as bad as they are, bring us rain that we need. The areas that need to be searched, are always, or should be, that way. I think that could be why Casey picked those places. Swamps and overgrowth of alligators. I'm taking my vacation in about two weeks on the St. John's. And I count on that land being unpassable by humans:eek:

Hey Kelly thanks for the info. I so hope you have a great vacation and the weather cooperates. Is St John's part of FLorida? You deserve a great vacation with all the work you have done. Let me know when you leave. sara

[applesandorange]

I like your name for obvious reasons:biggrin:

But seriously, Tim Miller is not going to search where he is not wanted AND his reputation IMO is such that he will search where there is a chance and where he is told. IMO
I personally believe that he will search where he has a chance at success. IMO


Thanks :beer:

I agree that Tim Miller will search where he has the best chance to succeed. I was just wondering if he has reviewed the areas of interest yet and made a decision on if the environment is better suited for searching now. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that he was supposed to be in Florida today and looking at the areas as well as talking with LE. I had thought they would be searching this weekend if I remember correctly. I guess since we haven't heard anything no searches will be taking place tomorrow. You would think they would be organizing that by now. Such a dissapointment. I had hoped they would start the searches tomorrow.

I second what Sara said. Have a great vacation.

[Kellapple]

Hey Kelly thanks for the info. I so hope you have a great vacation and the weather cooperates. Is St John's part of FLorida? You deserve a great vacation with all the work you have done. Let me know when you leave. sara

Yep, the St. John's river is right smack in the middle of Florida. I took my laptop last time. (November 07) didn't have all you all there. So, I can't wait to see if I am online or not? LOL I bet hubby will be wondering too.

[SaraSidle]

You could be right sara but so much tells my gut she really wanted Caylee out of the way. The way all the info comes at us it's so hard to digest. You could very well be right my friend. I just have it in my head either way she did not suffer.

and you also could be very right. the only evidence I am going on is her telling Amy that her parents were moving into an apartment so Amy could move in with her. this also could be a big lie. I would sure love to know the truth. So very frustrating for us to just keep posting theories. sara IMO

[lighthousedazy]

Thanks :beer:

I agree that Tim Miller will search where he has the best chance to succeed. I was just wondering if he has reviewed the areas of interest yet and made a decision on if the environment is better suited for searching now. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that he was supposed to be in Florida today and looking at the areas as well as talking with LE. I had thought they would be searching this weekend if I remember correctly. I guess since we haven't heard anything no searches will be taking place tomorrow. You would think they would be organizing that by now. Such a dissapointment. I had hoped they would start the searches tomorrow.

I second what Sara said. Have a great vacation. I did catch some of NG tonight and I thought that Tim did say they would be searching tomorrow, and he was calling for more searchers to help. I may be wrong. I heard one weather report earlier and I thought they said rain in Central Fla. I do hope they can search as soon as possible and that Caylee is found. :rose:

[applesandorange]

I did catch some of NG tonight and I thought that Tim did say they would be searching tomorrow, and he was calling for more searchers to help. I may be wrong. I heard one weather report earlier and I thought they said rain in Central Fla. I do hope they can search as soon as possible and that Caylee is found. :rose:


Thanks LHD. I didn't get to catch NG tonight because we were at a football game. I hope they do search tomorrow. Thanks for the update.

[SaraSidle]

I did catch some of NG tonight and I thought that Tim did say they would be searching tomorrow, and he was calling for more searchers to help. I may be wrong. I heard one weather report earlier and I thought they said rain in Central Fla. I do hope they can search as soon as possible and that Caylee is found. :rose:

LHD and A&O it sounds like the search area has been minimized according to media Last I heard it was in the Lake underhill are. which is north of the airport and south of the residence. Apparently most of the phone calls are related to Lee Vista Blvd and Goldenrod in Orlando. that is a much smaller area than orlando. All my prayers and thoughts are with them all weekend. IMo sara

[applesandorange]

LHD and A&O it sounds like the search area has been minimized according to media Last I heard it was in the Lake underhill are. which is north of the airport and south of the residence. Apparently most of the phone calls are related to Lee Vista Blvd and Goldenrod in Orlando. that is a much smaller area than orlando. All my prayers and thoughts are with them all weekend. IMo sara


Thanks for the info Sara. I agree my p&pt are with all the searchers. I hope by the grace of God Caylee is found and brought to peace.

[Kellapple]

Texas-Based Group Considers Resuming Caylee Anthony Search

POSTED: 5:45 pm EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 5:53 pm EDT October 10, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Texas-based group is considering resuming a ground search in Orange County for Caylee Anthony's body. The group, EquuSearch, stopped looking for Caylee several weeks ago when the rain from Tropical Storm Fay created too many problems.

The decision on whether or not to resume that search is being discussed on the same day Casey Anthony's lawyer tried to get a judge to allow Casey to secretly search for her daughter.

The founder of EquuSearch, Tim Miller, is at the Fairfield Inn near Orlando International Airport meeting with his staff, going over maps and trying to decide if he's going to do two searches in Orlando at the same time.

Miller met with detectives at the Orlando Police Department about the Jennifer Kesse case. She's the 22-year year old who never showed up to work in January 2006. Miller also met with attorney Mark NeJame for five hours about the Caylee Anthony case.

Miller is contacting his people and his resources to see if it's the right time to do a double search.

"We know that both Jennifer and Caylee, if they are out there, are only skeletal remains. So, you know, it's going to take me going out there personally, see what the vegetation looks like, do we go right now, wait until four or five weeks from now when the vegetation starts dying off to go ahead and use our resources the best they can be used," Miller said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17689999/detail.html

[Kellapple]

:eek: Tim met with Mark NeJame about helping with the search? Does this mean the Anthony's finally accept the fact that Casey probably killed Caylee?

[TLC]

Just a question and a comment. Why do people think she drowned? Is it because of the pool ladder? I don't think that had anything to do with it , it is either a plant or maybe casey went swimming and being the person she is left the ladder for someone else to put away. I doubt it was an accident, too many "sinister" clues, chloroform or Xanax used to sedate the child in trunk or backseat while Mom partied IMO , and then she decided to rid herself of caylee in part to unencumber herself and in part to get back at her parents. I don't think an accident is what happened. I think the flurry of calls was part of a plan gone wrong when no one answered, it was a "HELP ,the babysitter stole my daughter" attempt for attention when no one responded she got mad and disposed of the body herself. All IMO of course but that's what I see.

[Woostock]

At first I thought maybe Caylee drowned in the pool but if that were the case I think Casey would have called 911. It would have been an accident no doubt and the consequences would be minimal compared to what she is facing now. I do not think she deliberately killed Caylee but she was giving her something to make her sleep or something of that nature, leaving her in the car who knows and Caylee died as a consequence. I believe now that LE have put a case together and we shall find out what did occur. There's no doubt that Caylee interfered with her mother's life style. The whole family was a family in turmoil
and the worst of the worst occurred. I have trouble understanding what Cindy thought Casey did for a job, and knew nothing about the baby sitter, phone number, address, etc. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me you can be sure I would have all the details. Most normal people would. But then again this family seems so dysfunctional I guess I am not surprised.

[applesandorange]

My first opinion was that Caylee drowned because of the pool being right there and that was the way LE was going. Since then we have learned so many things that I no longer can believe her death was accidental at all. Since then we have all learned that Casey left the house with Caylee. They basically moved out. So the pool IMO is out of the question. They weren't even there. IMO what happened was Casey cholorformed Caylee to make her sleep in the trunk while Casey spent the night with her boyfriend. I think Caylee died from it. Casey takes Caylee to her parent's house since they aren't home and it is familiar. I think she either puts her in the sandbox or play house just as a quick hide. Then she moved her to the other one (either the sandbox or playhouse) Her mind is probably racing and that is why she changes the location of the body. I think she borrowed the shovel to bury her and then realized that it would take too much time and work. She backs her car up into the garage and puts Caylee's body in it where it sits for a while until she finds a better place to dispose of the body. I think she checked places out before she chose a place. That's why the cell pings in different wooded areas. All this is JMO. That's all any of us have right now. I do believe Casey was setting George up for something but I don't know if I believe the chloroform was for her parents. I think it was an easy way to make Caylee go to sleep. I respect everyone's opinions though and the chloroform might well have be meant for the parents. We all run into the same problem here..... we just don't know.

[Kellapple]

We may never know what really happened. Only Casey knows what goes on in that sick head of hers.

But I don't give the pool thing any thought either. Poor little Caylee was for sure in the trunk (IMO) but why is the question that eats away at me. Why would a mom do that? sick sick sick

[Woostock]

I do not think the chloroform (sp) was for the parents. It seems as if that would be for Caylee.The dogs hit on areas in the back yard which makes me think Caylee was there temporarily. My guess is the LE are reconstructing what happened-I am willling to give them credit to know what they are doing and have experts who will sort this out. She (Casey) started out of the gate ahead of everyone by 30 days but often that means nothing in the long run, just takes more time to piece everything together. If you look at the big picture the family will never be the same; sometimes in the aftermath of a situation like this the whole family falls apart; one way or another everyone in that family is affected.

[One2Snoop]

EquuSearch Returns To Look For Caylee, Jennifer Kesse
Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:53:33 AM

ORLANDO -- Search and recovery team Texas EquuSearch is back in Central Florida to resume the search for Caylee Anthony as her mother, Casey, works her way through the court system on child neglect charges. See previous story.

EquuSearch spokesman Tim Miller said the group hopes to start searching by late Sunday or Monday, because the ground is too saturated this weekend.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/10/11/equusearch_returns_to_look_for_caylee_jennifer_kes se.html

[TOEJAM]

ot, since it is a slow news day in the Anthony case i wanted to report that the Arizona woman that NG had the segment on a couple of weeks ago has returned home. Again not a lot of details other than she is ok, good news but there is more to this story than they are saying.....i hope that it is ok to post this here....

http://www.azfamily.com/yahoo_rss/stories/gilbert-local-news-092908-missing-woman.c53b1d65.html

[LadyFisher]

At first I thought maybe Caylee drowned in the pool but if that were the case I think Casey would have called 911. It would have been an accident no doubt and the consequences would be minimal compared to what she is facing now. I do not think she deliberately killed Caylee but she was giving her something to make her sleep or something of that nature, leaving her in the car who knows and Caylee died as a consequence. I believe now that LE have put a case together and we shall find out what did occur. There's no doubt that Caylee interfered with her mother's life style. The whole family was a family in turmoil
and the worst of the worst occurred. I have trouble understanding what Cindy thought Casey did for a job, and knew nothing about the baby sitter, phone number, address, etc. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me you can be sure I would have all the details. Most normal people would. But then again this family seems so dysfunctional I guess I am not surprised.I agree....it isn't normal for Cindy not to have questioned who Zaneida was? That just never made any sense to me....a gramma who loves her grandchild and she's not checking up on this mysterious nanny...she never met her, never had a phone number for her...etc.....yep, you're right ....this family does come across as very dysfunctional!

[Ruzzty]

I have a new theory about the future.

Casey gets pregnant while out looking for Caylee. You heard it here first folks.

[SaraSidle]

My first opinion was that Caylee drowned because of the pool being right there and that was the way LE was going. Since then we have learned so many things that I no longer can believe her death was accidental at all. Since then we have all learned that Casey left the house with Caylee. They basically moved out. So the pool IMO is out of the question. They weren't even there. IMO what happened was Casey cholorformed Caylee to make her sleep in the trunk while Casey spent the night with her boyfriend. I think Caylee died from it. Casey takes Caylee to her parent's house since they aren't home and it is familiar. I think she either puts her in the sandbox or play house just as a quick hide. Then she moved her to the other one (either the sandbox or playhouse) Her mind is probably racing and that is why she changes the location of the body. I think she borrowed the shovel to bury her and then realized that it would take too much time and work. She backs her car up into the garage and puts Caylee's body in it where it sits for a while until she finds a better place to dispose of the body. I think she checked places out before she chose a place. That's why the cell pings in different wooded areas. All this is JMO. That's all any of us have right now. I do believe Casey was setting George up for something but I don't know if I believe the chloroform was for her parents. I think it was an easy way to make Caylee go to sleep. I respect everyone's opinions though and the chloroform might well have be meant for the parents. We all run into the same problem here..... we just don't know.

I agree A& O that is a great theory and exacrly what might have happened.
You have been very good at reading the evidence and I appreciate it. IMO and I would love to hear the real story to figure it out. Poor baby Caylee

[grneyes]

At first I thought maybe Caylee drowned in the pool but if that were the case I think Casey would have called 911. It would have been an accident no doubt and the consequences would be minimal compared to what she is facing now. I do not think she deliberately killed Caylee but she was giving her something to make her sleep or something of that nature, leaving her in the car who knows and Caylee died as a consequence. I believe now that LE have put a case together and we shall find out what did occur. There's no doubt that Caylee interfered with her mother's life style. The whole family was a family in turmoil
and the worst of the worst occurred. I have trouble understanding what Cindy thought Casey did for a job, and knew nothing about the baby sitter, phone number, address, etc. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me you can be sure I would have all the details. Most normal people would. But then again this family seems so dysfunctional I guess I am not surprised.

That's how Karla Homolka killed her sister so it's definitely a good possiblility as to what happened.

[SaraSidle]

We may never know what really happened. Only Casey knows what goes on in that sick head of hers.

But I don't give the pool thing any thought either. Poor little Caylee was for sure in the trunk (IMO) but why is the question that eats away at me. Why would a mom do that? sick sick sick

Kelly I do not have a problem with the trunk thing but why decomp in 2 places in the backyard. I have a problem with that.............sara

[minga]

I have a new theory about the future.

Casey gets pregnant while out looking for Caylee. You heard it here first folks.

Quite interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but God knows it could happen. She's surrounded by men. And it doesn't have to be if she's out looking for Caylee. It could already be. She does spend a lot of time away from home. :rolleyes:

That would be a hell of a ruse to suspend the needle.

[applesandorange]

Quite interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but God knows it could happen. She's surrounded by men. And it doesn't have to be if she's out looking for Caylee. It could already be. She does spend a lot of time away from home. :rolleyes:

That would be a hell of a ruse to suspend the needle.

Yeah and in Casey's sick mind having another baby would make everything all better. In her mind she could just replace Caylee.

[applesandorange]

I agree A& O that is a great theory and exacrly what might have happened.
You have been very good at reading the evidence and I appreciate it. IMO and I would love to hear the real story to figure it out. Poor baby Caylee


Thanks for the compliment. I agree I would also love to hear the real story. I do hope Eqqusearch finds her soon. You know what though? Even when they do find her I don't see Cindy accepting that it is really her. Of course she will be decomposed beyond recognition. Casey will tell her it is someone else and LE is setting her up and Cindy will buy into it. I think in some ways Cindy is just as demented as Casey. Cindy will never believe Caylee is dead. George will have had enough by that point and they will most definitely get a divorce. I think all George is waiting for is the body to accept the totallity of this crime. Cindy, I doubt she will ever accept it and will go to her death looking for Caylee and fighting to get Casey out of jail. JMO

[SaraSidle]

Yeah and in Casey's sick mind having another baby would make everything all better. In her mind she could just replace Caylee.

Oh my I cannot even imagine it.............

[lighthousedazy]

Oh my I cannot even imagine it.............
I can't either, and I pray that she never has another pregnancy and if so, that DFACs will step in. jmo :mad:

[SaraSidle]

I can't either, and I pray that she never has another pregnancy and if so, that DFACs will step in. jmo :mad:
I soo hope you are right LHD

[Kellapple]

Oh my I cannot even imagine it.............

People like her should be castrated IMO!

Odette posted a picture of Casey wearing the 82 shirt she stole from Target/Amy. I hadn't realized that before. There is no end to Casey's nerve. Why wasn't all the merchandise confiscated?

[Woostock]

I wondered about that shirt. That's stolen merchandise isn't it? She should have to give up everything she bought ( obviously the food is gone) that is still intact or made to repay Amy. Casey is the worst of the worst and it really riles me that she is even on home confinement never mind searching for her daughter. In some ways we are much too lenient in this country. I feel that the evidence shows she did something to end a totally innocent child's life, stole from friends and is on home confinement with the possiblity of searching for a child who is no doubt deceased===what's with our judicial system anyway? I think Casey's father has the picture and her mother will defend her which probably will lead to a separation if that continues. And I think Cindy's take on it is a result of the guilt she feels that she was not on top of the situation. I believe that Cindy loved Caylee and realizes now that she needed to be more diligent.

[applesandorange]

Good morning everyone :seeya: I am wondering if anyone had any news on if Eqqusearch is searching today. I know I'm being a PITA asking all the time. I'm just anxious for them to start. I want Caylee brought to peace so badly. I won't be here this afternoon but am looking forward to any updates and opinions you all have when I get home. Thanks

[beachbum]

Lets face it there have been people who have hurt animals and have gone to jail. My gosh surely she will be charged with something. The fact is she is the known last person to have Caylee-even though she said she left her with her nanny-after investigation is not a known person. All the evidence that we have been told about leads to Casey and we have been told they have more compelling evidence aside from what we know. Surely the Grand Jury will find that too. Isnt this week - Tues that they asked them to free their calenders? A good prosecutor should be able to link it all together. jmo

[Gatordog]

So Gator..........I agree with that you are saying mostly. I still think the parents were in the plan though. So you are saying she was moved around in the backyard before Casey got rid of the body. What about her being killed in the trunk with chloroform? that is where I get confused. I have to wait all weekend for you to come back. If I was rich I would buy you a computer............sara

Hi Sara,

Funny thing is a I have a computer but cancelled the internet service a few years back. Being on the pc all day for work, I never wanted to use it at home.

Where she was killed will probably always be a mystery until Casey confesses. It's possible she was in the car and Casey misjudged the heat in mid-June and Caylee died of heatstroke during the day. Perhaps she took her home to try to revive her in the pool and couldn't. Maybe she overdosed her on the chloroform or she put her in the trunk to make her sleep but left the rag there too. Could be she decided to bury the body in the yard but then couldn't get it deep enough and it was starting to get noticeable (sp?) so se dug it up.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hi Sara,

Funny thing is a I have a computer but cancelled the internet service a few years back. Being on the pc all day for work, I never wanted to use it at home.

Where she was killed will probably always be a mystery until Casey confesses. It's possible she was in the car and Casey misjudged the heat in mid-June and Caylee died of heatstroke during the day. Perhaps she took her home to try to revive her in the pool and couldn't. Maybe she overdosed her on the chloroform or she put her in the trunk to make her sleep but left the rag there too. Could be she decided to bury the body in the yard but then couldn't get it deep enough and it was starting to get noticeable (sp?) so se dug it up.

Another thought, she picked up the body with the shovel and then put it under the playhouse. She then could have used the shovel to take some sand to cover the body.

Gator

It is very confusing Brainstorm. Evidence shows
1- she was buried in the sandbox
2-she was buried in the playhouse
3 she was kept in the trunk

where does the chloroform come in. was it in the trunk and that is where she died first or last. and i still think the chloroform was for her parents because she kept telling her best friend Amy that her parents were moving into an apartment and Amy was supposed to move in with Casey.

We don't know for sure where or if she was buried, we only know there were signs of decomposition in those places. It's possible she put her in the sandbox first, but that wasn't deep enough and the body was able to be seen if the cover was lifted. She could have then taken her out and dug under the play house and put her there but after a few days, the odor was obvious. The Caseys have two little dogs. They could have been nosing around the playhouse and that would have drawn attention which is why she had to move the body.

Also Casey told friends her mother was moving to a condominium, nothing about George. I do think George was the target and Cindy was going to be set up as his murderer.

[Gatordog]

Interesting observation TOEJAM wish Gator or Ruzzty could let us know. IMO

Soil is very sandy and in some parts a lot of clay. During the dry season (winter) it is more difficult to dig because the ground is dry and covered with grass, it's difficult to get a hole started. We had a lot of rain here the week of June 10th so the ground was damp and much easier to dig. If the ground under the playhouse had no grass but was just dirt, it would have been easy.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Has anyone heard anything about Tim Miller and if he checked the areas to see if they are searchable? I am so anxious for him to begin the search. I cannot wait for Caylee to be found and Casey to face justice.

So far, the news hasn't been positive. No searching yet. It was reported yesterday that still was no cooperation from the family. Yesterday, they searched for Jennifer Kesse. Today no search yet for Caylee. Yesterday was a little rainy, but mostly sunshine. Today is beautiful and hopefully will dry up some of the rain we had Thursday night and Friday morning. I believe they will try to make a determination later today or tomorrow.

Could be they are try to make Casey nervous with all this talk and don't actually plan to search until Tuesday or so. Some special equipment is supposedly coming in to make it easier. I pray they have success if the child is out there.

[Gatordog]

LHD and A&O it sounds like the search area has been minimized according to media Last I heard it was in the Lake underhill are. which is north of the airport and south of the residence. Apparently most of the phone calls are related to Lee Vista Blvd and Goldenrod in Orlando. that is a much smaller area than orlando. All my prayers and thoughts are with them all weekend. IMo sara

Lake Underhill is north of the residence. Not a lot of woods there and most of it is swampy, but then, you wouldn't need that much to hide a body. Lots of subdivisions and houses there.

[Gatordog]

Just a question and a comment. Why do people think she drowned? Is it because of the pool ladder? I don't think that had anything to do with it , it is either a plant or maybe casey went swimming and being the person she is left the ladder for someone else to put away. I doubt it was an accident, too many "sinister" clues, chloroform or Xanax used to sedate the child in trunk or backseat while Mom partied IMO , and then she decided to rid herself of caylee in part to unencumber herself and in part to get back at her parents. I don't think an accident is what happened. I think the flurry of calls was part of a plan gone wrong when no one answered, it was a "HELP ,the babysitter stole my daughter" attempt for attention when no one responded she got mad and disposed of the body herself. All IMO of course but that's what I see.

If Casey went to the house while her parents were at work, which is what she was known to do, sure she could have used the pool. And, why would she be concerned about taking the ladder out since she knew that she didn't have to worry about Caylee getting into the pool any longer? Just more circumstantial evidence pointing to her guilt.

[Gatordog]

At first I thought maybe Caylee drowned in the pool but if that were the case I think Casey would have called 911. It would have been an accident no doubt and the consequences would be minimal compared to what she is facing now. I do not think she deliberately killed Caylee but she was giving her something to make her sleep or something of that nature, leaving her in the car who knows and Caylee died as a consequence. I believe now that LE have put a case together and we shall find out what did occur. There's no doubt that Caylee interfered with her mother's life style. The whole family was a family in turmoil
and the worst of the worst occurred. I have trouble understanding what Cindy thought Casey did for a job, and knew nothing about the baby sitter, phone number, address, etc. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me you can be sure I would have all the details. Most normal people would. But then again this family seems so dysfunctional I guess I am not surprised.

Hey Woodstock,

I agree about the phone numbers. My friend went away on vacation, and left me the the phone number to the kennel where she left her dog. I even called twice to make sure everything was okay. How could you not have your grandchild's sitter's number, especially when the child lives with you. After 9/11, everyone got a little more careful about knowing where your family is in case of an emergency.

[Gatordog]

I agree A& O that is a great theory and exacrly what might have happened.
You have been very good at reading the evidence and I appreciate it. IMO and I would love to hear the real story to figure it out. Poor baby Caylee

A&O - you explained it beautifully and the only thing missing, was Monk's phrase - "Here's how it happened". ;)

[Gatordog]

I cannot believe that Jose Baez had the nerve to ask the judge for a ruling to allow Casey to travel without giving notice as to where she would go. He said that she is always in danger and that giving people the heads up as to where she would be could endanger her when she got there.

Excuse me Mr. Baez, Casey had approval to spend Saturday in your office again, and Cindy drove her there in her green suv. The news showed the film of her leaving her driveway on the way to your office. Her car was covered, and I mean covered, in find Caylee slogans, phone numbers, pictures, posters, etc. Do you think that no one knew who was in that car? What would it matter if her destination was known or not if she was advertised as being in that car and she could be followed? Please, give us credit for some intelligence and I hope the judge calls you on it too! :cuss::flamemad:

Gator

[Woostock]

Every time I hear about Casey out and about I could scream. Why would anyone put up bail for her????? Someone who snuffed out a child's life;;;a sweet innocent child and then lied thru her teeth with one false hood after another. Really, is there any doubt that Casey somehow is implicated in her daughter's demise. I am not against bail but in this case I think it was totally uncalled for or should have been so high nobody would put up the money.She is such a manipulater and her atty is trying to get her to look for her daughter. She had plenty of time to do that and she chose not to.

[LadyFisher]

Baez thinks he really knows Casey according to his very last statement....sure he does.....:rolleyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBG8mIiwoE

[CindyB]

:seeya:Lady, my friend.
I don't think Casey even really knows Casey, much less Baez. :rolleyes:

I only pray the truth eventually comes out about what really happened to Caylee, and just punishment comes soon after.

Baez thinks he really knows Casey according to his very last statement....sure he does.....:rolleyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBG8mIiwoE

[susie31023]

I was just reading on the no discussion thread how 35 thousand has been spent by Tim's team to date on the search for Caylee. How pathetic is that when all Casey needs to do is open her mouth. Just sickening.:flamemad:beemeup. I agree. I still say if they would give me just a little while with this so called mother I could get her to talk. She make me sick and I pray that when they do charge her they make her pay back TES and Tim for all the time and effort he has put forth to find HER daughter. It just makes me incredibly angry to know she could end this if she wanted to...~Suz

[SaraSidle]

We don't know for sure where or if she was buried, we only know there were signs of decomposition in those places. It's possible she put her in the sandbox first, but that wasn't deep enough and the body was able to be seen if the cover was lifted. She could have then taken her out and dug under the play house and put her there but after a few days, the odor was obvious. The Caseys have two little dogs. They could have been nosing around the playhouse and that would have drawn attention which is why she had to move the body.

Also Casey told friends her mother was moving to a condominium, nothing about George. I do think George was the target and Cindy was going to be set up as his murderer.

Wow gator dog. very insightful. You know I really can't thing of anything else except for what you posted as far as the moving of the body. but it sounds like a lot of work for someone who preplanned the murder. It is like she was in a panic and it was maybe accidental????:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

My first opinion was that Caylee drowned because of the pool being right there and that was the way LE was going. Since then we have learned so many things that I no longer can believe her death was accidental at all. Since then we have all learned that Casey left the house with Caylee. They basically moved out. So the pool IMO is out of the question. They weren't even there. IMO what happened was Casey cholorformed Caylee to make her sleep in the trunk while Casey spent the night with her boyfriend. I think Caylee died from it. Casey takes Caylee to her parent's house since they aren't home and it is familiar. I think she either puts her in the sandbox or play house just as a quick hide. Then she moved her to the other one (either the sandbox or playhouse) Her mind is probably racing and that is why she changes the location of the body. I think she borrowed the shovel to bury her and then realized that it would take too much time and work. She backs her car up into the garage and puts Caylee's body in it where it sits for a while until she finds a better place to dispose of the body. I think she checked places out before she chose a place. That's why the cell pings in different wooded areas. All this is JMO. That's all any of us have right now. I do believe Casey was setting George up for something but I don't know if I believe the chloroform was for her parents. I think it was an easy way to make Caylee go to sleep. I respect everyone's opinions though and the chloroform might well have be meant for the parents. We all run into the same problem here..... we just don't know.

apples&oranges you make very valid and good points. I so wish she would tell us. sara

[applesandorange]

Wow gator dog. very insightful. You know I really can't thing of anything else except for what you posted as far as the moving of the body. but it sounds like a lot of work for someone who preplanned the murder. It is like she was in a panic and it was maybe accidental????:shrug:


So very true. I have thought that the chloroform was used to make Caylee sleep. I didn't think Casey actually tried to murder her. I probably didn't make that clear when I wrote because to me drugging a child to make them sleep and having them die from it whether it was an intentional death or not is still murder. That's JMO. I do wonder however if Caylee's death was accidental than why had Casey looked at all the missing children sites months before? It seems like she really was planning on something. Maybe that something just happened sooner than planned :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Wow gator dog. very insightful. You know I really can't thing of anything else except for what you posted as far as the moving of the body. but it sounds like a lot of work for someone who preplanned the murder. It is like she was in a panic and it was maybe accidental????:shrug:


So very true. I have thought that the chloroform was used to make Caylee sleep. I didn't think Casey actually tried to murder her. I probably didn't make that clear when I wrote because to me drugging a child to make them sleep and having them die from it whether it was an intentional death or not is still murder. That's JMO. I do wonder however if Caylee's death was accidental than why had Casey looked at all the missing children sites months before? It seems like she really was planning on something. Maybe that something just happened sooner than planned :shrug:

I am starting to agree with you apples&orange. I mean if you bury or despose of a body in 4 places give me a break.. How many murderers do we know have done that. I know in some ways Casey was very smart with all the lies she told and other things she did but still I am not sure if this was planned. I do not put her past murder. but sometimes I think Caylee was not the victim and an accident happened and everything was in panic mode. iMO sara

[Woostock]

BY TRACY JACIM
FOX 35 NEWS

ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Texas Equusearch, a non-profit group that is helping to organize searches for missing 3-year-old Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony, may be pulling out of Orlando for good.

"We gotta think about what's good for Equusearch in these tough economic times, because people who donate money may not donate again if all our money goes to one person when there are more (missing persons) out there," Equusearch founder Tim Miller told FOX 35 reporter Tracy Jacim in an exclusive interview on Sunday.

The fact that Miller says Equusearch has already spent $44,000 on the search for Caylee, only having recouped $5,000 from the Orange County Sheriff's Office and another $7,000 from private donations, and the fact that the Anthonys are not cooperating, is forcing Miller to reconsider continuing the search.

Miller flew into Orlando on Thursday with a few members of the group and a board director. New York Times bestselling author Judith McNaught is helping with the financing and came to support Tim in what she calls "a draining case."

"I'm out here to write checks, that's what the Board of Directors does, because we all want it to turn out so well," said McNaught. "At the same time, this is the first time I've made a public appearance on any case, because he (Tim) is so exhausted," she said, adding "I'm worried about our main resource."

Tropical Storm Fay forced Miller and his team to table a search a few weeks ago. Since returning, Miller says he and about ten others have done small-scale searches with the Sheriff's Office and have turned up nothing. He says water is still an issue too.

Miller says he'll have his final decision Monday.

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[applesandorange]

[QUOTE=applesandorange;9130617]

I am starting to agree with you apples&orange. I mean if you bury or despose of a body in 4 places give me a break.. How many murderers do we know have done that. I know in some ways Casey was very smart with all the lies she told and other things she did but still I am not sure if this was planned. I do not put her past murder. but sometimes I think Caylee was not the victim and an accident happened and everything was in panic mode. iMO sara


Or it could be that she killed Caylee out of rage because she was mad at her mom. If that happened she would also panicked about disposing of the body. JMO

[applesandorange]

BY TRACY JACIM
FOX 35 NEWS

ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Texas Equusearch, a non-profit group that is helping to organize searches for missing 3-year-old Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony, may be pulling out of Orlando for good.

"We gotta think about what's good for Equusearch in these tough economic times, because people who donate money may not donate again if all our money goes to one person when there are more (missing persons) out there," Equusearch founder Tim Miller told FOX 35 reporter Tracy Jacim in an exclusive interview on Sunday.

The fact that Miller says Equusearch has already spent $44,000 on the search for Caylee, only having recouped $5,000 from the Orange County Sheriff's Office and another $7,000 from private donations, and the fact that the Anthonys are not cooperating, is forcing Miller to reconsider continuing the search.

Miller flew into Orlando on Thursday with a few members of the group and a board director. New York Times bestselling author Judith McNaught is helping with the financing and came to support Tim in what she calls "a draining case."

"I'm out here to write checks, that's what the Board of Directors does, because we all want it to turn out so well," said McNaught. "At the same time, this is the first time I've made a public appearance on any case, because he (Tim) is so exhausted," she said, adding "I'm worried about our main resource."

Tropical Storm Fay forced Miller and his team to table a search a few weeks ago. Since returning, Miller says he and about ten others have done small-scale searches with the Sheriff's Office and have turned up nothing. He says water is still an issue too.

Miller says he'll have his final decision Monday.

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I like Tim Miller and what he stands for. I however have lost respect for him. Not because I don't understand why he is considering this but because I feel that he knew this when he left the first time but instead of being honest about it he came up with the excuse about the water. That may have been a valid reason but I think he knew back then that it was costing too much money and most likely he wouldn't finish the search. He should have just said that instead of making a promise to come back and finish. IIRC it was he who said they would find Caylee with or without the support of the family. He who said they wouldn't stop looking until they found her. This business of how much money it is costing is not something that just came about. He knew this when he last left. Yet he promised to return to finish the search. I can see how he would feel that maybe people would stop donating money because of too much being used on one person but what about all the people who are going to stop supporting him BECAUSE he did not finish the search for this ONE VERY HIGH PROFILE person? Some people could also look at this and say he is putting money over a little girl being brought home for a proper burial. That's not right IMO. Sorry this is just a vent. I am so frustrated for the lack of support CAYLEE is getting but CASEY seems to be getting all the support in the world from the people who SHOULDN'T be giving it.

[Johnielee333]

Love,Prayers,Justice & A Rose :rose: For Caylee.

May The GJ Come Back With A Go Ahead & Arrest Casey For Murder.

[applesandorange]

Thanks for letting me vent Beem. I hope LE does have enough and the Grand Jury agrees. I can't wait to see Casey behind bars for good. I was hoping Tim Miller was our only chance of finding Caylee's body and all that hope was squashed. Just not the kind of news I was looking forward to waking up to.

[TOEJAM]

from what i have heard it sounds like the grand jury is a one day thing, does anyone know how long these things take and when we should know the decision?

[deacon]

No prob. lord knows i have done enough of it myself. Nice part about this board is we can without a bazillion people attacking. It's so nice here. Good to vent. It is a sad world cuz it seems as tho everything just comes down to the almighty $. Maybe there will be some sort of other search organized if Tim does pull out. I would think LE would want to continue to strengthen their case? P.S. I still wanna rip those dam sunglasses off her face and snap them in two. I figure that would make her cry :D

Nah, she would just steal some more money and buy some more. Maybe some that are worse.

[applesandorange]

No prob. lord knows i have done enough of it myself. Nice part about this board is we can without a bazillion people attacking. It's so nice here. Good to vent. It is a sad world cuz it seems as tho everything just comes down to the almighty $. Maybe there will be some sort of other search organized if Tim does pull out. I would think LE would want to continue to strengthen their case? P.S. I still wanna rip those dam sunglasses off her face and snap them in two. I figure that would make her cry :D


HAHAHAHA LOL!! I would LOVE to see her cry!

[lorettalockhorn]

I like Tim Miller and what he stands for. I however have lost respect for him.......

This is offensive even to an equal opportunity basher like myself. TM answers to a board of directors and it's very likely that they have put the kibosh on his efforts. Yeah, it's too bad that a judge doesn't order the Anthonys to reimburse TES; no doubt their Find Caylee bank account is flush. (Haven't heard much about their expenditures.) But of course, it behooves them to only search for a live Caylee; every day that she is missing is another day that the cause of death is obfuscated. Let's just hope that one day those donations aren't converted to a Casey Anthony Defense Fund.

And the more I think about it, the more I'd like to see all of the Anthonys indicted for conspiracy to obstruct justice.

But to slam Tim Miller is just wrong minded. Pray tell though, just how is it that your armchair detecting is stymied? Do your limitations come close to that of the searchers?

[lorettalockhorn]

I know there are posters here who are way more savvy on this than I. From what i know and surmise it was a smart move on Le's part. It is the last day the present grand jury is convening before they bring in a new grand jury. Can present it to a seasoned jury and will have the opportunity to take it back to a new grand jury if need be.

Agree, if tomorrow's panel doesn't indict, the new group will have a fresh look at the case, maybe with new information.

[odette]

Anyone here up to speed on how a grand jury works in detail? If not when i get some time this week i shall do some research.:rose:

Hope this helps :)

FLORIDA GRAND JURY HANDBOOK
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:uwKLSJvKbV4J:www.floridasupremecour t.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter30/flgrandjuryhandbook.rtf+%22+FLORIDA+GRAND+JURY+HAN DBOOK+%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1


Frequently Asked Questions About the Grand Jury System
http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html

[odette]

As i said so many savvy people here. Thanks so much. :beer:

Glad to help :)

If anyone is having trouble opening that link I posted for the "FLORIDA GRAND JURY HANDBOOK " go to the below link, scroll down the page a little and click on:

Part 3 Grand Jury Proceedings
30 Florida Grand Jury Handbook
31 Florida Grand Jury Instructions

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml

[applesandorange]

This is offensive even to an equal opportunity basher like myself. TM answers to a board of directors and it's very likely that they have put the kibosh on his efforts. Yeah, it's too bad that a judge doesn't order the Anthonys to reimburse TES; no doubt their Find Caylee bank account is flush. (Haven't heard much about their expenditures.) But of course, it behooves them to only search for a live Caylee; every day that she is missing is another day that the cause of death is obfuscated. Let's just hope that one day those donations aren't converted to a Casey Anthony Defense Fund.

And the more I think about it, the more I'd like to see all of the Anthonys indicted for conspiracy to obstruct justice.

But to slam Tim Miller is just wrong minded. Pray tell though, just how is it that your armchair detecting is stymied? Do your limitations come close to that of the searchers?


SO sorry MY opinion offended YOU. It was just MOO. As I stated it was a vent which I thought we were allowed to do here. From now on I will keep venting to myself. There, make you feel better?

[deacon]

Good one HA!!! Does her ability to accessorize just not blow u away:D

For some reason it doesn't suprise me much. Not a lot about her suprises me anymore.:mad:

[deacon]

Agree, if tomorrow's panel doesn't indict, the new group will have a fresh look at the case, maybe with new information.

With a grand jury most prosecuters can get an idictment on a ham sandwich.

[applesandorange]

[QUOTE=applesandorange;9130729]SO sorry MY opinion offended YOU. It was just MOO. As I stated it was a vent which I thought we were allowed to do here. From now on I will keep venting to myself. There, make you feel better?[/QUOTE
Thats how i took it-it was just a vent. As i said thats what i like about this board we can agree to disagree. Keep venting away. Maybe it was a vent on both parts. I think this whole mess gets us all fueled, fired and crazy at times. We have to vent. In all of the following i have done this case is by far the craziest and most emotional. It's all good.:beer:


Thanks. I hate drama and this case sure brings it out. So glad this place is here or else my family would have to deal with me venting ;) I hope you're having a good day. I'm about to step out for a little to take my daughter to the Dr. for her flu shot....ouch. See ya later :beer:

[applesandorange]

With a grand jury most prosecuters can get an idictment on a ham sandwich.

I'm so glad to hear that. Maybe we will have good news tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

[minga]

This is offensive even to an equal opportunity basher like myself. TM answers to a board of directors and it's very likely that they have put the kibosh on his efforts. Yeah, it's too bad that a judge doesn't order the Anthonys to reimburse TES; no doubt their Find Caylee bank account is flush. (Haven't heard much about their expenditures.) But of course, it behooves them to only search for a live Caylee; every day that she is missing is another day that the cause of death is obfuscated. Let's just hope that one day those donations aren't converted to a Casey Anthony Defense Fund.

And the more I think about it, the more I'd like to see all of the Anthonys indicted for conspiracy to obstruct justice.

But to slam Tim Miller is just wrong minded. Pray tell though, just how is it that your armchair detecting is stymied? Do your limitations come close to that of the searchers?

I didn't realize that Tim Miller's actions were controlled by a board. I appreciate the explanation.

I agree with AO that Miller should never have said he'd never stop til they found Caylee. To the general public (like me) who doesn't know how those things work it wouldn't make him look good.

It doesn't make me lose respect because I realize that there are so very many out there that need to be found and families who would be cooperative which is essential. IMO anyway. But he shouldn't have made that statement.

But beyond that, whether Caylee is ever found or she isn't, she still has a resting place. It's just an unknown one. Something that's happened to many people over the course of time. A grave, a memorial is nice, but she's not there, wherever the body is or whever the body would be placed into a grave. Think of the many people of 9-11 who were never found. They just become part of the spirit of where they last were. Some people simply never recover a body, like Natalie. The Anthony's, if they ever accept it, may have to make their own memorial. JMO.

[Woostock]

Apples and Oranges
don't let that get to you! You have every right to your opinion and I think we are all disappointed to hear the search will most likely not continue. There's no need for insults like that here as we are all expressing our opinion. The ultimate sadness is that the family is not embracing another search and I think that has entered into the decsion. You have to admit this is such a screwed up family.......lets' hope LE has enough to nail Casey. We may have to come to grips that the body may not be found. I have worried about that from the get-go

[lorettalockhorn]

SO sorry MY opinion offended YOU. It was just MOO. As I stated it was a vent which I thought we were allowed to do here. From now on I will keep venting to myself. There, make you feel better?

Got no problem with your opinion or your venting. Hell, you can puff yourself up and rejoice in the thought of ripping off sunglasses, revel in the thought of Casey's crying, assure the online world that you could surely beat the truth out of her, or any of the things that I've seen here. But your allegation that you think that Tim knew all along that the search was costing too much and that he knew he wouldn't finish it is why he shouldn't have promised to find Caylee is outrageous. In my own opinion.

Like a lot of you, I do think TES is/was the best hope for finding Caylee. It would seem that conditions are still not good for a search without damaging evidence, and TES does have two searches in NC on there schedule this week; maybe we can hope that through some miracle or good fortune, his group will be able to return to Orlando.

[lorettalockhorn]

With a grand jury most prosecuters can get an idictment on a ham sandwich.

HAH! Lord knows, Casey put the ham in the sandwich. She does seem to take her role pretty seriously. I can just imagine her on her way to her fate; "All right Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up."

[deacon]

I'm so glad to hear that. Maybe we will have good news tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

That isn't always a good thing though. If they mess this up the chance is gone. They may be able to go that far but are they ready for court? That is what troubles me. I don't want them to go off half cocked. If you know what I mean. There are two reasons for that. One is that if this chance is messed up and she is guilty, she walks. If she is not guilty, and I doubt that is the case, she will be forever branded as a killer in some people's minds whether she is or not.

[lorettalockhorn]

RE: TES search for Caylee Anthony and Jennifer Keese (per David Lohr):

In regard to the search for Caylee and Jennifer, Tim said that the conditions in Orlando, Florida, are not favorable at this time to continue those searches. Waters in the search areas remain high and the vegetation has not yet started to die off. As a result, both of those searches have been postponed until the first or second week of November.

(Jennifer's mother has signed the Lifetime petition and is credited with this statement:

"Please DO NOT pay one cent for this reported upcoming movie. This is the most bizarre of all missing person's cases. The multitude of lies, mistruths etc is insulting to those of us with missing children, who do everything we can to find our children. Our daughter, Jennifer Kesse, age 24, abducted on January 24, 2006 from Orlando, with the Orlando Police Dept. as lead investigators, remains missing. This case will ultimately desensitize our communities when the next child goes missing due to this families actions or shall I say, lack of pro-activeness.") A link to the petition appears at the ID link.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/the-search-for.html

[applesandorange]

I didn't realize that Tim Miller's actions were controlled by a board. I appreciate the explanation.

I agree with AO that Miller should never have said he'd never stop til they found Caylee. To the general public (like me) who doesn't know how those things work it wouldn't make him look good.

It doesn't make me lose respect because I realize that there are so very many out there that need to be found and families who would be cooperative which is essential. IMO anyway. But he shouldn't have made that statement.

But beyond that, whether Caylee is ever found or she isn't, she still has a resting place. It's just an unknown one. Something that's happened to many people over the course of time. A grave, a memorial is nice, but she's not there, wherever the body is or whever the body would be placed into a grave. Think of the many people of 9-11 who were never found. They just become part of the spirit of where they last were. Some people simply never recover a body, like Natalie. The Anthony's, if they ever accept it, may have to make their own memorial. JMO.


This is so true. A body after death is just that, a body. I believe the soul is in a much better place. IMO it doesn't matter where a body is. The spirit is much better off. Finding a body would have been good for this case though.

[applesandorange]

Apples and Oranges
don't let that get to you! You have every right to your opinion and I think we are all disappointed to hear the search will most likely not continue. There's no need for insults like that here as we are all expressing our opinion. The ultimate sadness is that the family is not embracing another search and I think that has entered into the decsion. You have to admit this is such a screwed up family.......lets' hope LE has enough to nail Casey. We may have to come to grips that the body may not be found. I have worried about that from the get-go


This family is the most screwed up family I have ever had the displeasure of hearing about. I cannot begin to understand why they are so unsupportive in the search of Caylee. I'm not worried about personal attacks. This is a very sensitive case. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I don't hold a grudge and hope nobody else does either. Thanks for your kind words. It's nice to know it's okay to let off some steam now and again. :)

[One2Snoop]

:rolleyes: :punch: :rolleyes:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- One day before a grand jury meets to consider murder charges against Casey Anthony, her mother, Cindy Anthony, is breaking her silence.

Cindy Anthony accused state attorney Lawson Lamar of seeking an indictment for political gain.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17702112/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

:rolleyes: :punch: :rolleyes:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- One day before a grand jury meets to consider murder charges against Casey Anthony, her mother, Cindy Anthony, is breaking her silence.

Cindy Anthony accused state attorney Lawson Lamar of seeking an indictment for political gain.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17702112/detail.html

Am I the only one who when Cindy speaks hears Charlie Brown's teacher?

[applesandorange]

In a perfect world i was hoping Tim's team would have found Caylee this weekend. Grand jury would go for inditement(sp?) on tuesday. LE would have much more evidence than we know of (which i think they do) and down she goes. Let's just hope they do have enough and they can convict without a body. There just has to be some justice here. It's seems that mother nature has just stacked all cards against finding Caylee.:rose:


I agree. Justice is coming. Something good has to come out of this mess. I wanted to add in a pefect world we wouldn't even have cases like this. I think LE has more than they have said. Maybe some new information will come out tomorrow. Poor Caylee Marie :rose:

[applesandorange]

Am I the only one who when Cindy speaks hears Charlie Brown's teacher?


I was thinking just that. She lies as much as Casey. You can't believe a word this woman says. IMO she has lost all credibility in the publics eye.

[applesandorange]

Yes u are right in a perfect world we would not need to be here discussing this. Did your daughter make out ok with her shot?

Yes thanks for asking. She actually got her 9 year old physical and 2 shots. She got her flu shot and second chicken pox shot. She did great. Didn't cry at all. Now we are off to football and cheerleading practice. I'm glad your day is going by great.

Can you even believe the audacity of CA saying what she is about the prosecution? TOTALLY UNREAL IMO.

[One2Snoop]

Am I the only one who when Cindy speaks hears Charlie Brown's teacher?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cvotwO0Kwo&feature=related

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cvotwO0Kwo&feature=related

Exactly! :hat:

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Awaits Grand Jury Decision On Possible Charges

POSTED: 4:31 pm EDT October 13, 2008
UPDATED: 5:21 pm EDT October 13, 2008

snip....

"Are you nervous about the grand jury?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked Casey Anthony on Monday.

Casey didn't answer as she rushed to her weekly jail. She was not wearing her big white stolen sunglasses, either.

snip

http://www.wftv.com/news/17705500/detail.html

[Woostock]

That was a good article in WFTV.com this could very well be Casey's last night at home. Let's hope so. After reading the article I realized the apple did NOT fall far from the tree. I asked a psychologist at my school what she thought about the case and she pretty much said every thing we have said here including how dysfunctional the family is.

[One2Snoop]

Blah, blah, blah... http://i35.tinypic.com/20acfi9.gif http://i35.tinypic.com/2ywu0wo.gif http://i35.tinypic.com/20acfi9.gif

Cindy Claims Casey is just as much a victim as Caylee - :no: SAY WHAT! :eek:

Cindy Anthony Says Investigators Are Ignoring Caylee Related Tips-
Casey Anthony's mom says the sheriff's office is no longer looking for Caylee. (10/13/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17705649/index.html