Most Interesting??

[f0revery0urs]

Which serial killer or mass murder interests you the most? why??:confused:

[Drumbum]

Jack the Ripper used to be my prime interest, but now I don't have one. With JtR, it was the puzzle.

[f0revery0urs]

Personally, I like Aileen Wuornos the best. I took socialogy in high school and the teacher went through and talked about quite a few killers, like the BTK killer. She is what got me interested in serial killers. Now im reading this great book called the killer book of true crimes. its a great read =]

[Notknowingall]

Ted Bundy. There are so many details of that case that I find interesting.

[Serial Killer X]

All Of Them Really But I Find Ted Bundy And Gary M Heidnik The Most Intresting.

[Karin]

Personally, I like Aileen Wuornos the best. I took socialogy in high school and the teacher went through and talked about quite a few killers, like the BTK killer. She is what got me interested in serial killers. Now im reading this great book called the killer book of true crimes. its a great read =]


I think the life of Aileen Wuornos was pretty interesting also. Watching her youtube videos show a very dillusional person. However, I think my favorite serial killer for the moment is Richard Ramirez, the night stalker!

[Mojave]

Dennis Radar. It just boggles my mind that this man eluded capture for so many years and was eventually brought down by.... Microsoft Word*. Go Bill Gates!

* I should mention I also have the biggest respect for the law enforcement officials who spent years searching for him and finally brought him in.

[SaraSidle]

Zodiac..........he never got caught IMO

[Karin]

I just watched a Deranged episode on the ID channel about Gary Ridgeway, The Green River Killer. He was by far the worst serial killer I've ever heard of. They believe he has killed more people than anyone else! He preyed on prostitutes in Seattle from 1982 until they caught him in 2002.........They think he killed over 70 girls.

[Karin]

Dennis Radar. It just boggles my mind that this man eluded capture for so many years and was eventually brought down by.... Microsoft Word*. Go Bill Gates!

* I should mention I also have the biggest respect for the law enforcement officials who spent years searching for him and finally brought him in.

How did he get caught by MS word and Bill Gates?

[Serial Killer X]

How did he get caught by MS word and Bill Gates?

He Sent The Police A Floppy Disk From Microsoft Word. This Had Metadata on The Microsoft Word File, The Found The File Had Been Made By A Man Called Dennis They Then Found A Link To The Lutheran Church. They Then Searched 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis' On The Internet And Found Dennis Rader In Wichita. That's How MS Word Caught Him And Bill Gate's Invented Microsoft Word So There Ya Go :)

[SaraSidle]

He Sent The Police A Floppy Disk From Microsoft Word. This Had Metadata on The Microsoft Word File, The Found The File Had Been Made By A Man Called Dennis They Then Found A Link To The Lutheran Church. They Then Searched 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis' On The Internet And Found Dennis Rader In Wichita. That's How MS Word Caught Him And Bill Gate's Invented Microsoft Word So There Ya Go :)

Maybe he wanted to be caught. I think there may be one other serial killer in russia i think who has done more than the green river Killer. I would have to check it out.........IMO

[Drumbum]

Andrei Chickatillo, one of the worst serial killers in history. Murdered 50+ over a number of years.

[Karin]

He Sent The Police A Floppy Disk From Microsoft Word. This Had Metadata on The Microsoft Word File, The Found The File Had Been Made By A Man Called Dennis They Then Found A Link To The Lutheran Church. They Then Searched 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis' On The Internet And Found Dennis Rader In Wichita. That's How MS Word Caught Him And Bill Gate's Invented Microsoft Word So There Ya Go :)

That is too cool!

[Drumbum]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/chikatilo/coat_1

There's a movie about him called Citizen X.

[Karin]

Andrei Chickatillo, one of the worst serial killers in history. Murdered 50+ over a number of years.

Oh my, I looked into him and he really was horrid. I like how they kept him in a cage during his trial.

[Drumbum]

Oh my, I looked into him and he really was horrid. I like how they kept him in a cage during his trial.

Nice touch that.

[SaraSidle]

Andrei Chickatillo, one of the worst serial killers in history. Murdered 50+ over a number of years.

I saw that movie twice. It is good. I think there is another one there too. IMO

[aldred]

Herbert Mullin, Richard Trenton Chase and other seriously ill people. It's the scope of their delusions that intrigue me.

Gary Ridgeway -- I feel off the sofa when I caught a headline on the telly announcing the arrest of a man suspected in 48 strangulation murders. I gasped, "It has to be Green River!!! OMFG"

Dennis Rader -- I read about him in one of the Douglas books where he used another moniker than BTK. And when he surfaced again it was just too good to be true. I've read Beatties book + one called Unholy Messenger which wasn't so interesting. The third book that was simply called Bind Torture Kill is one of the best crime books I've ever read.

Ted Bundy -- Got to know him from Readers Digest in november 1982 and has been reading most of what's been written about him since then. Seen a lot of the movies but consider the portrayal in The Riverman to be the best.

Carl Panzram -- The account of his life, that he wrote in prison and gave to Henry Lesser for publication, really is something else. His absolute recollection of details about his past + crimes is quite stunning.


The worst 1 must be Harold Shipman; the BAD doctor. 286+ or 316+ murders spanning several decades.

[grneyes]

Well, I don't know if she qualifies or not but Lizzie Borden.

Also, Bundy, Albert Fish, Aileen Wournos <sp?>, and several others.

[Drumbum]

Well, I don't know if she qualifies or not but Lizzie Borden.

Also, Bundy, Albert Fish, Aileen Wournos <sp?>, and several others.

Fish was special sick. What a non-human.

[debbyuk2008]

Definitely Ted Bundy. We have so many preconceptions about the typical serial killer. He was highly intelligent and attractive. Therefore, most of his potential victims showed no fear initially.

[Drumbum]

Definitely Ted Bundy. We have so many preconceptions about the typical serial killer. He was highly intelligent and attractive. Therefore, most of his potential victims showed no fear initially.

Actually, Bundy was around 140 IQ and if he was pressed hard enough he'd stammer. His victims showed no fear initially because he used a harmless appearance or that of authority.

[rph3664]

Andrei Chickatillo, one of the worst serial killers in history. Murdered 50+ over a number of years.

The most tragic thing about this story is that another man was executed for this before Chkatilo's arrest.

:rose:

He may have done other things, but he didn't do this.

I work at one of the hospitals where Michael Swango victimized people, although he is not believed to have killed anyone here. Everyone who worked there at the time has a story about him.

Herbert Baumeister is quite interesting because he is believed to have killed at least 50 people in Indiana and Ohio over a period of years leading up to his suicide in 1996. When A&E did the show on him about 10 years ago, eight bodies had been found on his sprawling country estate, but when TruTV did an "Investigators" show on him last year, the number had increased to 11. His wife claims she knew nothing, and his family also claims they didn't know he was gay although he was really flaming. He had done some time in a mental institution; guess love must really be blind, huh?

[Fish Face Frank]

I would have to say The Ken and Barbie Murders are to me the most interesting. For one person to be sick in the head is enough. But when you can talk someone else into drugging their own sister, participate in her rape, and cover up her murder to me is beyond belief.

Albert Fish was a sick SOB as well. There is an awesome documentary I saw on him a couple of weeks ago that really dug inside his mind. The letter he sent to the parents of the little girl he kidnapped, murdered, then ate was probably the most disturbing thing I have ever read in my life.

[Super Volcano]

Andrei Chickatillo, one of the worst serial killers in history. Murdered 50+ over a number of years.

Never heard of this one, but it is worth checking it out. The one that always grossed me out, was John Wayne Gaycey. (sp?) Now that was one messed up dude.

[grneyes]

I would have to say The Ken and Barbie Murders are to me the most interesting. For one person to be sick in the head is enough. But when you can talk someone else into drugging their own sister, participate in her rape, and cover up her murder to me is beyond belief.

Albert Fish was a sick SOB as well. There is an awesome documentary I saw on him a couple of weeks ago that really dug inside his mind. The letter he sent to the parents of the little girl he kidnapped, murdered, then ate was probably the most disturbing thing I have ever read in my life.

I saw that documentary too! I watched it twice because it just baffled my mind that someone could be so cruel. It's bad enough what he did to that girl but then to send her parents that letter was beyond cruel.

[Super Volcano]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/chikatilo/coat_1

There's a movie about him called Citizen X.

OMG I read the entire revolting story of that freak of nature, Andrei. It is sad and frustrating that it took them THAT long, to finally come together to form a plan by setting up a few train stations to catch the pervert. I wonder if they did a DNA test today, if it would match Type AB blood. I am Sure as heck it would, with him taking them to unknown graves, etc. I need to go watch something good, and uplifting, after reading that disgusting biography.....That doesn't mean I don't appreciate you giving us that link to read.....it is good to keep up on things.;)

[Super Volcano]

Which serial killer or mass murder interests you the most? why??:confused:

I have always been intrigued by the story of Billy the Kid. I really got into the Young Guns movies, especially when it came out after Young Guns II came out, that an old fart in the 50's claimed he was Billy the Kid. They even had it on "Believe it or Not" saying in real life, Billy the kid and Pat Garret were indeed pals until the end. By the way, drumbum, your last avatar of CSI's William Petersen played an EXCELLENT Pat Garret. I am a Bon Jovi junkie, and the link below will take you into a Young Guns flash back. It's pretty awesome.:cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA-9g19H3s

[grneyes]

I have always been intrigued by the story of Billy the Kid. I really got into the Young Guns movies, especially when it came out after Young Guns II came out, that an old fart in the 50's claimed he was Billy the Kid. They even had it on "Believe it or Not" saying in real life, Billy the kid and Pat Garret were indeed pals until the end. By the way, drumbum, your last avatar of CSI's William Petersen played an EXCELLENT Pat Garret. I am a Bon Jovi junkie, and the link below will take you into a Young Guns flash back. It's pretty awesome.:cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA-9g19H3s

For me it was Jesse James. *lol* Ever since I was a little girl I've been fasinated with him and watch every JJ movie or documentary I can find. (Just watched a movie last night on JJ) I think that's why when I grew up, I was attracted to the rugged, strong "bad boy" types. (And now I'm married to someone that isn't even come close to that type so go figure.) :D

[Super Volcano]

For me it was Jesse James. *lol* Ever since I was a little girl I've been fasinated with him and watch every JJ movie or documentary I can find. (Just watched a movie last night on JJ) I think that's why when I grew up, I was attracted to the rugged, strong "bad boy" types. (And now I'm married to someone that isn't even come close to that type so go figure.) :D

Haha, that's awesome. I liked the story of Doc Holladay, too. I'm attracted to the more clean cut, bad boy type. So, having Emillio Estevez playing Billy the Kid was awesome.

[grneyes]

Forgot to add, love that video Jon Bon Jovi and cowboys all together...*drool*

Here's a vid for you though it's not Jon singing it. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVMS4Q7N2k


Edited to add this one
This is pretty cool. Vid of Jesse's house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJG7pZIrQZQ

[Super Volcano]

Forgot to add, love that video Jon Bon Jovi and cowboys all together...*drool*

Here's a vid for you though it's not Jon singing it. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVMS4Q7N2k


Edited to add this one
This is pretty cool. Vid of Jesse's house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJG7pZIrQZQ

HAHAHA That is the main reason I LOVE Young Guns, is I get to *drool* over all the cowboys together; especially with the likes of Emillio Estevez, Charlie Sheen (wierd they are brothers) Lou Diamond Phillips, and Keifer Sutherland. The Regulators!!!!
I totally forgot about that song Cher did about Jesse James!!! I love that song!!!! It was cool to see where Jesse James really lived. He seemed to do pretty good in those times. Where is this house, and his grave?...Would make for a fun trip sometime.
You know Butch Cassidy, and the Sundance Kid? Leroy Parker, who was "Butch," is buried in southern Utah. Hiram Bebee, who was the "Sundance Kid," is buried here in the Salt Lake Cemetery, close to where I live. I like going there (mainly to have a safe place to walk my cat), but also for all of the history that is there. Awesome!!!

[grneyes]

HAHAHA That is the main reason I LOVE Young Guns, is I get to *drool* over all the cowboys together; especially with the likes of Emillio Estevez, Charlie Sheen (wierd they are brothers) Lou Diamond Phillips, and Keifer Sutherland. The Regulators!!!!
I totally forgot about that song Cher did about Jesse James!!! I love that song!!!! It was cool to see where Jesse James really lived. He seemed to do pretty good in those times. Where is this house, and his grave?...Would make for a fun trip sometime.
You know Butch Cassidy, and the Sundance Kid? Leroy Parker, who was "Butch," is buried in southern Utah. Hiram Bebee, who was the "Sundance Kid," is buried here in the Salt Lake Cemetery, close to where I live. I like going there (mainly to have a safe place to walk my cat), but also for all of the history that is there. Awesome!!!

Mount Olivet Cemetery Kearney Clay County Missouri is where he is buried and I believe the house might be in MO also.

[Super Volcano]

Mount Olivet Cemetery Kearney Clay County Missouri is where he is buried and I believe the house might be in MO also.

Awesome!!! I went and pulled out the movie "Tombstone" and watched it after all of this cowboy talk. Awesome movie. I love Kurt Russell as a cowboy, especially in tight jeans. yeowsa!!!!!

[Super Volcano]

Well, I don't know if she qualifies or not but Lizzie Borden.

Also, Bundy, Albert Fish, Aileen Wournos <sp?>, and several others.

Have never heard of Albert Fish. Havta check it out. Have you seen that movie where Charlize Theron plays Aileen Wurnos? I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it (can't find anyone who wants to watch it with me, and I won't watch it alone). but from the pictures I have seen, man, they really uglied her down to make her look JUST like Aileen.

The thing that continually amazes me about this Crime Message board, is there seems to be never ending supply of mass murders and their stories (some of which I have NEVER heard of before). What a SICK world we live in. It is up to us to help make it better. :beer:

[Serial Killer X]

Yer Theres Tons Of Serial Killer's I'd Never Heard Of Before Until I Bought This Strange Book From A Discount Store For $5 Lol It Had Ton's And Ton's Of Info On Serial Killer's. Yes Your Quite Correct Mrs Volcano (Giggles) Is Up To Us.

-SKX

[Super Volcano]

Yer Theres Tons Of Serial Killer's I'd Never Heard Of Before Until I Bought This Strange Book From A Discount Store For $5 Lol It Had Ton's And Ton's Of Info On Serial Killer's. Yes Your Quite Correct Mrs Volcano (Giggles) Is Up To Us.

-SKX

What is the book titled? Whenever I go int Banes and Noble. I will flip through the books they have, on
the "Most Evil Mobsters," "Most Evil Serial Killers," "Most Evil Women in History," etc. I get unnerved after reading a few stories, and then I havta go into the comics area, or the religious area and read something uplifting. I know I am wierd, but I just don't like the type of feeling, or spirit, that is left lingering in my mind, and around me after reading gory, scary stuff. :rose:

[Fish Face Frank]

but from the pictures I have seen, man, they really uglied her down to make her look JUST like Aileen.

I'd say.

This is probably the one and only time that I cringed when I saw Charlize Theron naked. :)

[grneyes]

I'd say.

This is probably the one and only time that I cringed when I saw Charlize Theron naked. :)

*LOL* That is just too funny Frank.

[aldred]

Yeah, Charlize Theron does a scary portrayal of miss Wuornos in that Monster movie. Have you guys seen To Catch A Killer, in which Brian Dennehy does an extremely good portrayal of John Wayne Gacy?

[SaraSidle]

Have never heard of Albert Fish. Havta check it out. Have you seen that movie where Charlize Theron plays Aileen Wurnos? I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it (can't find anyone who wants to watch it with me, and I won't watch it alone). but from the pictures I have seen, man, they really uglied her down to make her look JUST like Aileen.

The thing that continually amazes me about this Crime Message board, is there seems to be never ending supply of mass murders and their stories (some of which I have NEVER heard of before). What a SICK world we live in. It is up to us to help make it better. :beer:

yes SV and sometimes I think the boards like these make People sad for a spell. It is hard to believe there are so many people like that in the world. and there is only a small percentage of crimes on the boards. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Yeah, Charlize Theron does a scary portrayal of miss Wuornos in that Monster movie. Have you guys seen To Catch A Killer, in which Brian Dennehy does an extremely good portrayal of John Wayne Gacy?

I have Aldred and he was quite creepy. I thought the movie was pretty accurate to real life. IMO

[Super Volcano]

yes SV and sometimes I think the boards like these make People sad for a spell. It is hard to believe there are so many people like that in the world. and there is only a small percentage of crimes on the boards. IMO

there is only a small percentage of crimes on the boards.

That is even creepier. I haven't even thought of that, but that is unfortunately, that is true. I have some uplifting news to share: I am closer to getting my Paleontology degree!!!! YAY finally.........

[SaraSidle]

there is only a small percentage of crimes on the boards.

That is even creepier. I haven't even thought of that, but that is unfortunately, that is true. I have some uplifting news to share: I am closer to getting my Paleontology degree!!!! YAY finally.........

Oh my SV. that will be so much fun for you!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!!:beer:

[Serial Killer X]

What is the book titled? Whenever I go int Banes and Noble. I will flip through the books they have, on
the "Most Evil Mobsters," "Most Evil Serial Killers," "Most Evil Women in History," etc. I get unnerved after reading a few stories, and then I havta go into the comics area, or the religious area and read something uplifting. I know I am wierd, but I just don't like the type of feeling, or spirit, that is left lingering in my mind, and around me after reading gory, scary stuff. :rose:

Cant Remember I'll Try And Find It It's Been A While And Yer That Mean's Your Normal.

-SKX

[Super Volcano]

Cant Remember I'll Try And Find It It's Been A While And Yer That Mean's Your Normal.

-SKX

You are awesome to think I am normal!!!! Thank you!!! I have a few nephews that would like to disagree. They think I am some boring lady that gives them treats, and lives with her cat LOL

[Super Volcano]

Oh my SV. that will be so much fun for you!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!!:beer:

Thanks!!!! I still have about a year, but I can finally see the finish line up ahead. There are alot of possibilites with being a Paleontologist, like working with the Police Dept. with bones, etc. I am trying to lean more towards just working with Dino digs, but whatever pays the best will be the best.

[aldred]

there is only a small percentage of crimes on the boards.

That is even creepier. I haven't even thought of that, but that is unfortunately, that is true. I have some uplifting news to share: I am closer to getting my Paleontology degree!!!! YAY finally.........

Cool!!! Isn't Utah kinda full of old dinosaur bones...

I don't think they're so many after all because whenever there's a new creep either caught and dealt with or as the subject of an on-going investigation, they become like sequals that drag on day after day, week after week, and so on. I think homicide and other types of violence, sexual or not, primarily is a domestic situation, not necessarily within the core of one specific family; the victim knows their attacker.

Most of the creeps we read about here or in books are either tucked away in a safe place or already dead and gone.

[Super Volcano]

Cool!!! Isn't Utah kinda full of old dinosaur bones...

I don't think they're so many after all because whenever there's a new creep either caught and dealt with or as the subject of an on-going investigation, they become like sequals that drag on day after day, week after week, and so on. I think homicide and other types of violence, sexual or not, primarily is a domestic situation, not necessarily within the core of one specific family; the victim knows their attacker.

Most of the creeps we read about here or in books are either tucked away in a safe place or already dead and gone.

Yes, there is!!!! They based the Velociraptor from the Jurassic Park movies off of the Utah Raptor that they found here in Utah. In Vernal Utah, they have the biggest collection of Allosaurus (a bigger form of the T-Rex) bones in the world. Vernal is the arm pit of Hell, (it is in the middle of nowheresville-and HOT) but it is an EXCELLENT place to go Dino hunting. An entire Woolly Mammoth skeleton was also found here, along with other different species.

I hope you are right about there not being as many mass murders out there than we think. With new technology, DNA, computer matching, etc, hopefully is helping cut down the number of would-be murders.

[Fish Face Frank]

In Vernal Utah, they have the biggest collection of Allosaurus (a bigger form of the T-Rex) bones in the world

I am sure you are correct becuase you are an expert and I am going by memory of what I read 12 years ago in high school, but I thought T- Rex was bigger then the Allosaurus? :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Yes, there is!!!! They based the Velociraptor from the Jurassic Park movies off of the Utah Raptor that they found here in Utah. In Vernal Utah, they have the biggest collection of Allosaurus (a bigger form of the T-Rex) bones in the world. Vernal is the arm pit of Hell, (it is in the middle of nowheresville-and HOT) but it is an EXCELLENT place to go Dino hunting. An entire Woolly Mammoth skeleton was also found here, along with other different species.

I hope you are right about there not being as many mass murders out there than we think. With new technology, DNA, computer matching, etc, hopefully is helping cut down the number of would-be murders.

WOW S.V. Good for you. I thought most of those findings were in Montana. You will not have to go far.

Unfortunately there are many serial killers out there we do not know about according to the fbi. They just figured out one in California that has 30 victims and gone on for years and they just put it together. It is a post here. I do not have links. Just do a lot of reading............IMO

[Super Volcano]

WOW S.V. Good for you. I thought most of those findings were in Montana. You will not have to go far.

Unfortunately there are many serial killers out there we do not know about according to the fbi. They just figured out one in California that has 30 victims and gone on for years and they just put it together. It is a post here. I do not have links. Just do a lot of reading............IMO

I am really hoping to go around to different places in the world to do dino hunting. Vernal is ok, but it would be fun to go elsewhere.

[Super Volcano]

I am sure you are correct becuase you are an expert and I am going by memory of what I read 12 years ago in high school, but I thought T- Rex was bigger then the Allosaurus? :shrug:

Our professor showed us once an adult Allosaurus skeleton. next to an adult T-Rex skeleton, and indeed the Allosaurus was a little bigger; bigger teeth, wider head, etc. It also stood a little taller. The Professor did say that it is possible to count on Paleontologist finding in the future, a bigger T-Rex skeleton that would put that theory to rest. But for now, that is the consensus. Right now, my favorite study, is the Velociraptor. They also found a Brontosaurus skeleton that still had food in it's stomach!!!!!
THe Allosaurus, and the T-REx were the Ted Bundys, and the Richard Ramirez's of the Jurassic Period, haha

[SaraSidle]

I am really hoping to go around to different places in the world to do dino hunting. Vernal is ok, but it would be fun to go elsewhere.

I do not know much about dinosaurs. Where did they hang out besides u.s.?
I would thing the Velaciraptor was more like R.R.

[Karin]

I do not know much about dinosaurs. Where did they hang out besides u.s.?
I would thing the Velaciraptor was more like R.R.

Hi Sara, great comparison...the velociraptor is an excellent hunter...smart and cunning..capable of deceiving.......scary!

[Super Volcano]

I do not know much about dinosaurs. Where did they hang out besides u.s.?
I would thing the Velaciraptor was more like R.R.

Dinosaurs and their tracks have been found almost all over the world. China is a great place, as well as Germany, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are usually found in remote areas, either in dry climates, or imbedded in rock under water. That is how they found trilobites, and stuff like that. Another creature that has captured my interest, is the ancient Megaladon shark, which if alive today, would make today's biggest Great White look really small. Their huge teeth are the only thing they have found on the Meg. I have one of the teeth, and it is slightly bigger than my hand!!! If you flip through a shark book, or even google "megaladon," there should be a picture they took, of how big the jaws would be, putting the teeth they found in it. Six men fit perfectly in the jaws!!!! Awesome.
Yea, I agree with Karin. The Velociraptor fits R.R perfectly!!!!!

[Fish Face Frank]

Our professor showed us once an adult Allosaurus skeleton. next to an adult T-Rex skeleton, and indeed the Allosaurus was a little bigger; bigger teeth, wider head, etc. It also stood a little taller. The Professor did say that it is possible to count on Paleontologist finding in the future, a bigger T-Rex skeleton that would put that theory to rest. But for now, that is the consensus. Right now, my favorite study, is the Velociraptor. They also found a Brontosaurus skeleton that still had food in it's stomach!!!!!
THe Allosaurus, and the T-REx were the Ted Bundys, and the Richard Ramirez's of the Jurassic Period, haha

Is there a fight between the two species on Jurassic Fight Club?

That would be the equivalent to Tyson vs Ali in their primes.

[SaraSidle]

Hi Sara, great comparison...the velociraptor is an excellent hunter...smart and cunning..capable of deceiving.......scary!

and quick never got caught Karin

[SaraSidle]

Dinosaurs and their tracks have been found almost all over the world. China is a great place, as well as Germany, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are usually found in remote areas, either in dry climates, or imbedded in rock under water. That is how they found trilobites, and stuff like that. Another creature that has captured my interest, is the ancient Megaladon shark, which if alive today, would make today's biggest Great White look really small. Their huge teeth are the only thing they have found on the Meg. I have one of the teeth, and it is slightly bigger than my hand!!! If you flip through a shark book, or even google "megaladon," there should be a picture they took, of how big the jaws would be, putting the teeth they found in it. Six men fit perfectly in the jaws!!!! Awesome.
Yea, I agree with Karin. The Velociraptor fits R.R perfectly!!!!!

Is it bigger than a whale shark?

[grneyes]

SV you gotta stop posting this stuff because I just have to go google it and then there goes an hour or two reading about it..... :D

:beer:

Megaladon was one big fella. :eek:

[Fish Face Frank]

Is it bigger than a whale shark?


Megalodon makes a Great White Shark look like the fish in my avator.

[Super Volcano]

SV you gotta stop posting this stuff because I just have to go google it and then there goes an hour or two reading about it..... :D

:beer:

Megaladon was one big fella. :eek:

Yea, that's kind of how I started to get fascinated with Paleontology. I still can't seem to get enough of it!!!!

[Super Volcano]

[QUOTE=Fish Face Frank;9125005]Megalodon makes a Great White Shark look like the fish in my avator.[/QUOTE

HAHAHA Yea, I like that comparison better. :beer:

[Super Volcano]

Is there a fight between the two species on Jurassic Fight Club?

That would be the equivalent to Tyson vs Ali in their primes.

That would be awesome to see (if Hollywood or someone else ever does a spoof like that). More like The T-Rex (being Bundy) being Mike Tyson, and biting the ear off of the Velociraptor (being Ramirez) being Evander Hollyfield. If that made any sense.

[Super Volcano]

That would be awesome to see (if Hollywood or someone else ever does a spoof like that). More like The T-Rex (being Bundy) being Mike Tyson, and biting the ear off of the Velociraptor (being Ramirez) being Evander Hollyfield. If that made any sense.

Here is some facts about the Megaladon. This show is kind of retarded, because it is fake, but it sure shows the immense size of how big it was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JpZCcidIw

[Fish Face Frank]

Being probably the biggest, baddest, aquatic Apex Predator ever, I wonder how that species ever became extinct.

I mean we know ( unless men hunt it to this point) that The Great White is not going anywhere anytime soon, I wonder what lead to the demise of his bigger brother.

[SUSYDAHMER]

my fab are ,of course ,my cousin JEFFREY DAHMER AND TED BUNDY

[SaraSidle]

That would be awesome to see (if Hollywood or someone else ever does a spoof like that). More like The T-Rex (being Bundy) being Mike Tyson, and biting the ear off of the Velociraptor (being Ramirez) being Evander Hollyfield. If that made any sense.

What about BTK and GreenRiverKiller

[Drumbum]

Megalodon makes a Great White Shark look like the fish in my avator.

I believe the Great White is a descendant of Megladon but not sure. My Jr. high science teacher had a Megladon tooth. Huge it was.

[Super Volcano]

What about BTK and GreenRiverKiller

They would be probably more like the Spinosaurus, vs. the Allosaurus. Both bad ass dinosaurs

[Super Volcano]

I believe the Great White is a descendant of Megladon but not sure. My Jr. high science teacher had a Megladon tooth. Huge it was.

That is what my Professor has said as well. Yea, the tooth I have (I bought it from a dinosaur museum I visited; pretty expensive suckers, too!!!) is slightly bigger than my hand. If this thing was still alive today, I would be too petrified to even go on a cruise ship, or anything like that, with that submarine armed with teeth, and an appetite swimming around.

[Super Volcano]

Being probably the biggest, baddest, aquatic Apex Predator ever, I wonder how that species ever became extinct.

I mean we know ( unless men hunt it to this point) that The Great White is not going anywhere anytime soon, I wonder what lead to the demise of his bigger brother.

Yea, I agree it was. This is just another theory, but i agree with Professor Anderson, that it probably got wiped out, the same time the Dinosaurs did, when that giant meteor hit near Mexico. That would explain how the other huge sea creatures that lived that same time also became extinct.

[grneyes]

I believe the Great White is a descendant of Megladon but not sure. My Jr. high science teacher had a Megladon tooth. Huge it was.

Great White's co-existed with Megladons so no they aren't descendants but they sure were luckier since they are still around. ;)

[grneyes]

I mean we know ( unless men hunt it to this point) that The Great White is not going anywhere anytime soon, I wonder what lead to the demise of his bigger brother.

They could have been wiped out by smaller predators as that happens a lot in nature or maybe they starved....heck, maybe they just evolved and are living at the bottom of the ocean. So little of the ocean has actually been studied we don't really know what may be down there. :shrug:

[Super Volcano]

Great White's co-existed with Megladons so no they aren't descendants but they sure were luckier since they are still around. ;)

Really? That is a new theory I haven't heard of yet. Of course my professor doesn't know it all. I'll havta check that out....Even share with him this new theory, and see what he says. :read:

[SaraSidle]

my fab are ,of course ,my cousin JEFFREY DAHMER AND TED BUNDY

Interesting. why are you so interested in your cousin and how did you end up in switzerland?

[SaraSidle]

Yea, I agree it was. This is just another theory, but i agree with Professor Anderson, that it probably got wiped out, the same time the Dinosaurs did, when that giant meteor hit near Mexico. That would explain how the other huge sea creatures that lived that same time also became extinct.

Off Topic but how did we know the meteor hit Mexico?

[Super Volcano]

Off Topic but how did we know the meteor hit Mexico?

No one really knows that for sure. We watched a National Geographic film on how they did thermal images of the earth's landscape, to compare the biggest craters on the earth. The one in Arizona was a possibility, but the one that the scientist are betting on, is the one off of Mexico. (I'll have to check my notes on exactly where.) They did a few similations on the size of the crater, to determine how big the asteroid was when it hit. The one they did on Mexico seemed to fit the profile of the Dinosaur extinction. Again, just a theory.

One of my other interest: When they used the same technology, with the thermal imaging, they scanned Yellowstone Park to find out where the extinct volcano was that created the geysers, and so forth. They were stunned to find out, that at the bottom of Yellowstone lake (yellowstone lake is HUGE) is the magma chamber, and also one of the world's biggest Super Volcanoes. (I chose my user name based on that :D) and If it were to blow again, it would literally bring most of the entire west to a stand still. They think it erupts every 600,000 years or so, and we are near that due date. My dad lives on the out skirts of Yellowstone Park, in Ashton Idaho. He gets up dates from a friend, who is a Park Ranger there. He said that so far, the only thing that has happened, is the lake going up a few degrees. For a lake that size, that is pretty significant!!! I just hope my dad isn't the stubborn kind that refuses to leave his land if they evacuate. Scary thought.....:eek: We lived in Idaho when Mount St. Helens blew in 1980. I was only 8 years old then, but I still remember wondering where all of this "dull pink snow" came from. Ash seemed to be everywhere. The Mt. St. Helens blast is a mere burp, compared to what Yellowstone would do. FYI

[SUSYDAHMER]

darling im in switzerland since 1989 ,well i know something about jeffr but not everything i can tell you im sorry for what he did

[Super Volcano]

darling im in switzerland since 1989 ,well i know something about jeffr but not everything i can tell you im sorry for what he did

Oh no, it's ok. It's just rare to be corresponding to a family member of a infamous serial killer. I am just intrigued, that's all. ;)

[SUSYDAHMER]

volk you are a kind guy ,nice to meet you in this forum :beer:

[susie31023]

SV, this is O/T but when working in Savannah, GA. my hubby and his crew were digging dirt from one area to build up new parts of the interstate. They found seashells and sharks teeth, etc. Now you have to realize this is over 50 miles to the Atlantic ocean in the middle of the city. We found many unusual seashells and I have two sharks teeth. Both from extinct sharks. Can't remember the name of them but I do remember one was an ancestor of what is now known as the Tiger shark..I agree this subject is extremely interesting. Why don't you start a thread in the lounge so you can tell us all about your studies? I would love to hear about them..~Susie

I apologize for taking this off topic~Susie

[Super Volcano]

SV, this is O/T but when working in Savannah, GA. my hubby and his crew were digging dirt from one area to build up new parts of the interstate. They found seashells and sharks teeth, etc. Now you have to realize this is over 50 miles to the Atlantic ocean in the middle of the city. We found many unusual seashells and I have two sharks teeth. Both from extinct sharks. Can't remember the name of them but I do remember one was an ancestor of what is now known as the Tiger shark..I agree this subject is extremely interesting. Why don't you start a thread in the lounge so you can tell us all about your studies? I would love to hear about them..~Susie

I apologize for taking this off topic~Susie

Good idea....I am the poster child of going off the subject here-don't mean too-I just have been recieving sooo many awesome comments back. That is really awesome about your hubby's find!!! Did they contact the local Paleontologist, or Archaeologist to the site?

[susie31023]

They had already found this huge tooth and the University of Ga. Archaeologist department came down and dated it. Seems as if most of Georgia was under water at one time. They found these things about twenty six ft. down. I have some shells that are so tiny you can barely see them. In fact three whole buckets of assorted ones, LOL...Sorry again for going off topic, LOL....

[Super Volcano]

They had already found this huge tooth and the University of Ga. Archaeologist department came down and dated it. Seems as if most of Georgia was under water at one time. They found these things about twenty six ft. down. I have some shells that are so tiny you can barely see them. In fact three whole buckets of assorted ones, LOL...Sorry again for going off topic, LOL....

That is AWESOME!!!! Utah was once under water, called lake (or sea) Bountiful. Even in the deserts here, they are still finding old sea creature fossils, along with giant turtle ones. It is so weird that or planet was so vastly different than from what we for thousands of years have known it to be.

[skeletoncloset]

For me it was Jesse James. *lol* Ever since I was a little girl I've been fasinated with him and watch every JJ movie or documentary I can find. (Just watched a movie last night on JJ) I think that's why when I grew up, I was attracted to the rugged, strong "bad boy" types. (And now I'm married to someone that isn't even come close to that type so go figure.) :D

So many of these stories about criminals are so inconsistant, I always find myself wondering what is the truth. Maybe speculation this way or that but I think it would take a little skill to come up with something even close to the dates of said crimes and lives they lived. I hate for the dates to be inconsistant especially, because it makes me believe the truth is not all there. So what else is true or not true or maybe it just doesn't matter.:confused:

[susie31023]

H'm this thread is about most interesting serial killers. I'm sure that veloceraptors (I have no idea how to spell that) would probably be thrilled to be put on the list but human, I think people. What about Earle Nelson, northern US and Canada 1920's.

hmmm, JB you have me stumped. I don't recognize the name, dang now I gotta go find him and read up:D. I am constantly amazed at your knowledge of these cases;). Miss Suzlock Holmes going to study now. You like making more work for me don't you, Love ya~Suse

PS., Will there be a test on this sir:), LOL

[delaineyrae]

My favorite serial is Ed Gein. Theres alittle hometown pride rolled up into that, but what make me wonder the most is the world will never know the exent of his crimes. Its so sad his house burned down before it could be completely cataloged. My aunt works for the state crime evidence and she cant tell me what they have but teases me about being privy to it:(
oh well, it is sad that hollywood thinks they have to elaborate on them. The worst I have ever seen was a newer Gein movie where he is a cold calculating murderer. He even kills a man who was helping him rob graves. I bet the writer of that one only spent like 1 hour researching on Gein. He was a bumbling recluse with a mommy complex, not a deviantly intelligent get-in-my-way-and-I'll-eliminate-you killer.

[Nathalie]

Albert Fish. He was pretty interesting to me. Hannibal Lector from the movie Silence of the Lambs was loosely based on some of his escapdes. He murdered but he also dabbed in cannibalism, fetishism, pedophilia, voyeurism, exhibitionism, and masochism.

A worst nightmare for sure!

[Drumbum]

Albert Fish. He was pretty interesting to me. Hannibal Lector from the movie Silence of the Lambs was loosely based on some of his escapades. He murdered but he also dabbed in cannibalism, fetishism, pedophilia, voyeurism, exhibitionism, and masochism.

A worst nightmare for sure!

Read a book about Fish. What a monster. He looked so kind and gentle, but he was a deranged, sadistic man.

[Karin]

Albert Fish. He was pretty interesting to me. Hannibal Lector from the movie Silence of the Lambs was loosely based on some of his escapdes. He murdered but he also dabbed in cannibalism, fetishism, pedophilia, voyeurism, exhibitionism, and masochism.

A worst nightmare for sure!

Hi Nathalie, nice to see you again.......I agree about the Fish......not many were more cruel and unusual than he was. He was just about the creepiest person I've ever read about. He really had some stuff about him that is very scary.

Have a nice weekend.......

[Drumbum]

Hi Nathalie, nice to see you again.......I agree about the Fish......not many were more cruel and unusual than he was. He was just about the creepiest person I've ever read about. He really had some stuff about him that is very scary.

Have a nice weekend.......

He deserved to ride the lightning. Sick f&%4@

[grneyes]

hmmm, JB you have me stumped. I don't recognize the name, dang now I gotta go find him and read up:D. I am constantly amazed at your knowledge of these cases;). Miss Suzlock Holmes going to study now. You like making more work for me don't you, Love ya~Suse

PS., Will there be a test on this sir:), LOL

Susie maybe he really IS a vampire and knew all these people....hmmmmm. Makes ya wonder. ;)

[susie31023]

Susie maybe he really IS a vampire and knew all these people....hmmmmm. Makes ya wonder. ;)

I am begininng to believe you are correct~Sis

[delaineyrae]

Albert Fish. He was pretty interesting to me. Hannibal Lector from the movie Silence of the Lambs was loosely based on some of his escapdes. He murdered but he also dabbed in cannibalism, fetishism, pedophilia, voyeurism, exhibitionism, and masochism.

A worst nightmare for sure!

is hannibal lector anyone elses favorite movie villain? he is mine, Thomas Harris is a genius.

[SaraSidle]

My favorite serial is Ed Gein. Theres alittle hometown pride rolled up into that, but what make me wonder the most is the world will never know the exent of his crimes. Its so sad his house burned down before it could be completely cataloged. My aunt works for the state crime evidence and she cant tell me what they have but teases me about being privy to it:(
oh well, it is sad that hollywood thinks they have to elaborate on them. The worst I have ever seen was a newer Gein movie where he is a cold calculating murderer. He even kills a man who was helping him rob graves. I bet the writer of that one only spent like 1 hour researching on Gein. He was a bumbling recluse with a mommy complex, not a deviantly intelligent get-in-my-way-and-I'll-eliminate-you killer.

You are so into my area. I loved all 3 Hannibal movies. wished I was Starling. I know Ed Gein was the criminal used for Silence of the Lambs".

I am just loving his books and movies and if there was a real Lector he would be my favorite.....................IMO sara

[Super Volcano]

is hannibal lector anyone elses favorite movie villain? he is mine, Thomas Harris is a genius.

Hannibal Lector and Ed Gein both gross me out to no end. It was weird to see the actor Sir Anthony Hopkins play Hannibal Lector, because I loved him in the "Mask Of Zorro with "the yummy Antonio Banderas. If I had a favorite, I would say Ted Bundy. He was good looking, but a cold hearted SOB. It is weird that it will be 20 years this coming January, (as Drummie puts it) that he rode the lightning stick.

[grneyes]

is hannibal lector anyone elses favorite movie villain? he is mine, Thomas Harris is a genius.

I named my cat after him. :D (Hannibal not Harris.) *lol*

[SaraSidle]

I named my cat after him. :D (Hannibal not Harris.) *lol*

You are so bad.........:biggrin:

[susie31023]

Well, Susie, the answers to the scratch quiz are: a) the Gorilla Murderer b) married landladies c) head injuries as a kid. You just need to think of the questions.:cool:

Vampire? Moi? C'est impossible! I'll give you another one. Peter Kurten, 'the Vampire Killer', Germany 1930's. His comment on his imminent beheading was something along the lines of 'that would be really neat(or the equivalent in 1930's German) to hear the sound of the blood rushing out of my neck.'

I'm not joking. Neither was he.

Well JB, seems ae if I have failed another quiz. I guess I'm not a very good student, sorry. I remember reading about Kurten, but i never knew he said that. Pretty deranged guy I guess. I am still amazed at the knowledge you have on these subjects and I guess it would be better to keep my mouth shut:) and read more, LOL..Hope you are getting some rest~Suz

[Nathalie]

is hannibal lector anyone elses favorite movie villain? he is mine, Thomas Harris is a genius.

Hi Dela, Hannibal is one of the best! They don't call him "Sir" for nothing!

[Karin]

I named my cat after him. :D (Hannibal not Harris.) *lol*

That's pretty funny grn! Hannibal must be very scary looking....

[Karin]

You are so bad.........:biggrin:

Hi Sara, I've decided that Grneyes is the baddest! ha-ha!:eek:

[grneyes]

That's pretty funny grn! Hannibal must be very scary looking....

No, actually he's one handsome devil and he knows it. :D
It's the good looking ones you gotta watch out for though.

[grneyes]

Hi Sara, I've decided that Grneyes is the baddest! ha-ha!:eek:

Who me? http://bestsmileys.com/whipping/2.gif


*lol* :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Who me? http://bestsmileys.com/whipping/2.gif


*lol* :cool:

ROFL!!! That picture is perfect!!! :D

[Drumbum]

Saw Hannibal Rising, was so,so. His beginning. The Vampire of Dusseldorf was one sick puppy.

[SaraSidle]

Hi Sara, I've decided that Grneyes is the baddest! ha-ha!:eek:

oh yeah grneyes rules with SV right behind her. be careful cause Halloween is grneyes holiday of really coming alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grneyes]

oh yeah grneyes rules with SV right behind her. be careful cause Halloween is grneyes holiday of really coming alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah be careful because that might not be bats you see flying around on Halloween night. ;)

http://bestsmileys.com/halloween2/21.gif

[delaineyrae]

for you Bundy fans, is it true that Ted Bundy wrote a rape victim counseling book? i think it seems too bizarre

[Drumbum]

for you Bundy fans, is it true that Ted Bundy wrote a rape victim counseling book? i think it seems too bizarre

He was a crisis counselor early on, not sure about a book though.

[delaineyrae]

btw, does anyone know anything about Andrew Pixley? I was watching something on youtube and he was brought up, but I really haven't found much else on him.
heres what i was watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXpypaaVXJo
im sure some of you would like the other vids this person puts up

[Nathalie]

for you Bundy fans, is it true that Ted Bundy wrote a rape victim counseling book? i think it seems too bizarre

Ted was a crisis counselor who worked with Ann Rule. Ann later wrote a book called "The Stranger Beside Me", which was about her experience working with Ted before she knew who he was.

Ted was a Psychiatric Major, a Crisis Clinic Counselor, a Law Student. He worked for Republican Governor Dan Evans. He was a Burglar. A Kidnapper. A Rapist. A Pedophile. A Serial Killer. A Necrophiliac. And Theodore Robert Bundy was also that Satanospherian favorite...A POET? But he was never an author of any such book.

Sorry for the sermon, he is just one I happen to know about!

[Karin]

Ted was a crisis counselor who worked with Ann Rule. Ann later wrote a book called "The Stranger Beside Me", which was about her experience working with Ted before she knew who he was.

Ted was a Psychiatric Major, a Crisis Clinic Counselor, a Law Student. He worked for Republican Governor Dan Evans. He was a Burglar. A Kidnapper. A Rapist. A Pedophile. A Serial Killer. A Necrophiliac. And Theodore Robert Bundy was also that Satanospherian favorite...A POET? But he was never an author of any such book.

Sorry for the sermon, he is just one I happen to know about!

Good information Nathalie...........guess you know your Ted stuff. Sent you a pm girlfriend...

[grneyes]

Ted was a crisis counselor who worked with Ann Rule. Ann later wrote a book called "The Stranger Beside Me", which was about her experience working with Ted before she knew who he was.

Ted was a Psychiatric Major, a Crisis Clinic Counselor, a Law Student. He worked for Republican Governor Dan Evans. He was a Burglar. A Kidnapper. A Rapist. A Pedophile. A Serial Killer. A Necrophiliac. And Theodore Robert Bundy was also that Satanospherian favorite...A POET? But he was never an author of any such book.

Sorry for the sermon, he is just one I happen to know about!

Knowing the bad things he did makes this part even scarier... :eek:

[Drumbum]

Knowing the bad things he did makes this part even scarier... :eek:

So normal on the outside, yet so fouled up on the inside was Bundy.

[delaineyrae]

Ted was a crisis counselor who worked with Ann Rule. Ann later wrote a book called "The Stranger Beside Me", which was about her experience working with Ted before she knew who he was.

Ted was a Psychiatric Major, a Crisis Clinic Counselor, a Law Student. He worked for Republican Governor Dan Evans. He was a Burglar. A Kidnapper. A Rapist. A Pedophile. A Serial Killer. A Necrophiliac. And Theodore Robert Bundy was also that Satanospherian favorite...A POET? But he was never an author of any such book.

Sorry for the sermon, he is just one I happen to know about!

well thank goodness he never wrote such a book! if i was a rape victim and heard that he did, id crawl out of my skin

[SaraSidle]

well thank goodness he never wrote such a book! if i was a rape victim and heard that he did, id crawl out of my skin

well put. I would do it with you....................

[Super Volcano]

So normal on the outside, yet so fouled up on the inside was Bundy.

IMO I think that those very characteristics made him even more scary. I hate to think of how many decent looking people we all see every day, that "look" normal, but could be some psycho SOB.

[delaineyrae]

IMO I think that those very characteristics made him even more scary. I hate to think of how many decent looking people we all see every day, that "look" normal, but could be some psycho SOB.

i think that once they catch whomever is killing all the college guys in the river towns the world will be shocked by how unassuming they look. it will most likely rival Bundy.

[susie31023]

i think that once they catch whomever is killing all the college guys in the river towns the world will be shocked by how unassuming they look. it will most likely rival Bundy.

I agree, remember Gacy? He was a clown at childrens parties and no one had a cclue to the horrors that he hid in his home. I wish the FBI profilers could come up with a syatem that we could use to find these evil people but it seems they can only come up with something so basic that until they catch them no one can tell what to look for. As I have said I watched the whole Bundy trial and he was a very controlled person most of the time. In fact so well you would never have expected what he really was..

[delaineyrae]

i was at the hospital yesturday and this guy looked like Bundy! it was really weird. maybe hes been on my mind too much lately.

[Super Volcano]

i was at the hospital yesturday and this guy looked like Bundy! it was really weird. maybe hes been on my mind too much lately.

Yea, I know what you mean!! You wonder if they really did kill them, or if they are out on the prowl again!!! Do you ever watch the tv cartoon show "King of The Hill?" I have a friend who is a dead ringer for Dale Gribble, in every single way, except for the smoking. Too funny.

[Grave Chaser]

I wouldn't necessarily say I have a 'favorite' or 'most interesting' killer in mind, but I read a book about 10 years ago about this guy who was in college and wanted to his thesis or something on Gacy and he started writing to him and became so close to Gacy, that Gacy actually got into this kids head and making threats and such. He ended up going to see Gacy just days before he was executed and almost got himself killed by him. The book was called "The Last Victom" I believe. I just find it interesting how easily Gacy was able to get to this kid and manipulate him.

[rph3664]

I wouldn't necessarily say I have a 'favorite' or 'most interesting' killer in mind, but I read a book about 10 years ago about this guy who was in college and wanted to his thesis or something on Gacy and he started writing to him and became so close to Gacy, that Gacy actually got into this kids head and making threats and such. He ended up going to see Gacy just days before he was executed and almost got himself killed by him. The book was called "The Last Victom" I believe. I just find it interesting how easily Gacy was able to get to this kid and manipulate him.

You are correct about the title; I have read that book too.

[Serial Killer X]

I wouldn't necessarily say I have a 'favorite' or 'most interesting' killer in mind, but I read a book about 10 years ago about this guy who was in college and wanted to his thesis or something on Gacy and he started writing to him and became so close to Gacy, that Gacy actually got into this kids head and making threats and such. He ended up going to see Gacy just days before he was executed and almost got himself killed by him. The book was called "The Last Victom" I believe. I just find it interesting how easily Gacy was able to get to this kid and manipulate him.

Gacy used to offer the boy's jobs and thats how he get his victims. But Gacy was good at manipulating boys into coming back to his house, or doing "work" for him.

[rph3664]

Gacy used to offer the boy's jobs and thats how he get his victims. But Gacy was good at manipulating boys into coming back to his house, or doing "work" for him.

Until I read the book "Buried Dreams" (I think that was the title), I did not know that Gacy specialized in remodeling pharmacies, and he did this so he could get behind the counter and steal drugs.

:eek:

Granted, security was not as stringent in the 1970s as it is now, but I wonder how many pharmacists got in trouble because they couldn't account for some of the things they ordered.

I'm a pharmacist; that's how I know this.

[grneyes]

I bet Jimmy Carter's wife shudders everytime she sees the photo of herself shaking hands with Gacy reproduced in books.

I bet she does too. Omg, can you imagine how that would feel? *shiver*

[Super Volcano]

I bet she does too. Omg, can you imagine how that would feel? *shiver*

That is a piece of history I never knew before. Freaky.

[rph3664]

Nowadays, the Secret Service would probably not have allowed him into the party where he met Rosalynn Carter, due to his conviction for child molestation. He met her at a fundraiser for the local Democratic party, where he did some volunteer work - I'm not sure exactly what.

The shock rocker GG Allin also struck up a friendship with Gacy and met him several times in prison. Allin died of an overdose in 1993, a year before Gacy was executed.

I vividly remember Allin's death because at the time, I was working at this place and we were talking about concerts we had attended and one of my co-workers said he had seen GG Allin. I said, "What does GG Allin do onstage? All I know about him is that he always gets arrested every time he performs."

If I posted what he said Allin did onstage, I would probably get banned, but our co-workers were laughing and saying "You are lying!" and "You are making this up!" He wasn't, and the day after he quit, I read that Allin was dead. Too bad - I would have loved to have been the one to have given him the news.

[Super Volcano]

Nowadays, the Secret Service would probably not have allowed him into the party where he met Rosalynn Carter, due to his conviction for child molestation. He met her at a fundraiser for the local Democratic party, where he did some volunteer work - I'm not sure exactly what.

The shock rocker GG Allin also struck up a friendship with Gacy and met him several times in prison. Allin died of an overdose in 1993, a year before Gacy was executed.

I vividly remember Allin's death because at the time, I was working at this place and we were talking about concerts we had attended and one of my co-workers said he had seen GG Allin. I said, "What does GG Allin do onstage? All I know about him is that he always gets arrested every time he performs."

If I posted what he said Allin did onstage, I would probably get banned, but our co-workers were laughing and saying "You are lying!" and "You are making this up!" He wasn't, and the day after he quit, I read that Allin was dead. Too bad - I would have loved to have been the one to have given him the news.

I shudder in disgust at the mere thought of Gacey. Who was GG Allin? I haven't heard of him. What exactly was he supposed to do on stage? A magician, or something? It would be interesting to know what he did on stage instead. Is that what landed him in prison?

[rph3664]

I shudder in disgust at the mere thought of Gacey. Who was GG Allin? I haven't heard of him. What exactly was he supposed to do on stage? A magician, or something? It would be interesting to know what he did on stage instead. Is that what landed him in prison?

Check your PMs.

Allin did spend time in prison, more than once, but it was not the same prison as Gacy. What I meant was, he was a Gacy pen pal and visited him in prison; there are photographs to prove this.

I saw the Allin documentary; it's available through Netflix. :eek: Yeah, you can get some WEEEEEEEIRD things through them! I have also seen "Capturing The Friedmans", which concerned trumped-up charges and false accusations of sexual abuse (and that's making a long story short) and "Bazaar Bizarre", about serial killer Bob Berdella.

[Calisto7]

Even though I think a lot of them are interesting I really think Herman Webster Mudgett AKA H.H. Holmes is at the top of my list.

The things he did, the people he conned and his castle he built. And all of it happened in the 1890's. I love reading everything I can on him.

Albert Fish is another on the top of my list.

[Super Volcano]

Ah Mudgett/Holmes. That's one I haven't heard of for a while. He had his murder house in Chicago I think? With the sound proof/escape proof rooms. I can't remember how many he killed but he was executed. Now he's interesting.

But he's no Jack the Ripper. The slice and dice specialist. No muss, no fuss. No waiting. Ladies a speciality. He had to get his jollies.

This is one messed up, sick dude I have never heard of before. And about JTR, he was the first, if not the only one to commit the perfect crime.

[Serial Killer X]

You're absolutely right. Jack never was caught. That's why he's my number one. The serial killer. Jack comitted the perfect crimes. Holmes was a seriously disturbed dude. But he was caught.

Yeah Jack is pretty intresting but that was like 120 years ago it would of very hard to catch him, plus he was quite intelligent. Yeah Holmes was quite messed up but they caught him and he wasn't that hard to catch.

[Calisto7]

No he wasn't that hard to catch, but who knows how many he really killed. People just disappeared and people believed him when he made up stories about where they went! The castle itself is what is most interesting, I just can't believe all he did and what he went through to get it built. Plus he was one of the First Serial Killers in America (besides the Harps Brothers).

The book I am reading right now talks about Holmes and what he was doing while Daniel Burnham was planning and building the World's Fair. It really shows how the World's Fair helped Holmes find people to torture.

True Jack the Ripper is probably one of the most interesting because he was never caught. It's a mystery why he stopped or what happened to him and probably will always remain that way.

But then again Zodiac, depending on what you believe was never caught either...

[Jenna]

There´s three ppl who I find to be more interesting than others. Dahmer and Ramirez are quite a boring answer so I´ll not get into that ;)
But the third is Edmund Kemper. You don´t hear very much about him anymore but I find him to be quite an interesting guy because he is a little bit different from most serial killers. I especially like the interwiev with him on you tube where he talks about himself and his crimes. He has a self irony and self insight that you don´t hear from many criminals. Also he seems to be very well spoken and intelligent.
He actually seems like a nice guy when watching him which is ironic considering the things he actually talks about!!
If you haven´t seen the interwiev I recommend you watch it on you tube, it´s quite interesting!

[Jenna]

Yes he did his mother...and his grandparents...And many other screwed up things!

Jack the ripper has never interested me. Many ppl find that story interesting because he was never caught. To be it just makes it less interesting. When you don´t know who did it and know nothing about his life it loses half of the amusement! To me anyway ;)

[aldred]

He did his mother in, didn't he?

Jack is still the most intriguing. IMO. Never found. So many theories.

But to get to know JtR better you need to look at those other killers that was into the same type of patterns. Kemper is interesting if you consider what he was doing to the girls he picked up; he killed them in order to engage himself with their corpses.

In Europe you got Vacher, Tessnow and Kürten (all of them went after farm animals as well). Kürten is also the first serial killer to admit to being interviewed at length about his motives; I think Karl Berg was the name of the psychiatrist who earned his trust.

Jenna; ever been to SvenskaMord? Jag har samma namn där som här...

[Lodi]

You're absolutely right. Jack never was caught. That's why he's my number one. The serial killer. Jack comitted the perfect crimes. Holmes was a seriously disturbed dude. But he was caught.

I've always wondered if Jack's motive was merely his way of ridding the neighborhood of prostitutes. The plan being to kill a few in a gruesome manner and scare the rest away. I don't know if the ladies continued their business as usual in that area. If they did, maybe he gave up and moved away.

[Jenna]

He did his mother in, didn't he?

Jack is still the most intriguing. IMO. Never found. So many theories.

By the way, of all the theories - do you have any favourites to who did it?

[POE-33]

The true identity of the Boston Strangler is still not proven.

Many people don't believe that Albert DeSalvo was the strangler.
I read that the body of the Strangler's last alleged victim, Mary Sullivan was exumed and DNA tests of the semen didn't match DeSalvo.
Some experts say that DeSalvo was coached in his confession.

Some who have sudied the case, believe that there was more than one killer and that DeSalvo was just seeking notoriety.
They speculate that the killer who strangled the first half-dozen or so victims, who were all elderly, was the character that Gerald Frank identified as O'Brien is his book. They surmise that the later victims were killed by a copycat killer.
:shrug:

[Karin]

The true identity of the Boston Strangler is still not proven.

Many people don't believe that Albert DeSalvo was the strangler.
I read that the body of the Strangler's last alleged victim, Mary Sullivan was exumed and DNA tests of the semen didn't match DeSalvo.
Some experts say that DeSalvo was coached in his confession.

Some who have sudied the case, believe that there was more than one killer and that DeSalvo was just seeking notoriety.
They speculate that the killer who strangled the first half-dozen or so victims, who were all elderly, was the character that Gerald Frank identified as O'Brien is his book. They surmise that the later victims were killed by a copycat killer.
:shrug:

Interesting information....excellent post Poe!

[POE-33]

Two other killers that I find facinating are the Zodiac and Ed Gein.

The Zodiac killed at least 5 people and maybe 6 over a period of about three years and then disappeared. His identity is still a mystery.
Zodiac's letters and cryptograms demonstrated a highly intelligent, albeit perverted mind.

Most serial killers keep killing until they are caught or until they grow so old that they no longer have the vitality to commit their crimes. What happened to Zodiac? Did he die or move away to another State? Serial killers rarely ever commit suicide. Why did he stop killing????

Ed Gein facinates me because of the sheer weirdness of his crimes.
Gein was a ghoul who robbed graves and dressed up in costumes made from the skin of the female corpses. Gein murdered at least two women.
Gein made lampshades from the skin of corpses and bowls from their skulls.
He was also a cannibal.

Unlike most serial killers who are inspired by lurid novels or motion pictures or the chronicles of other famous killers, like Jack the Ripper, Gein's bizarre fantasies were a product of his own imagination. Gein was poorly educated and lived in a rural area of Wisconsin in the 1950's.
Gein lived in a rundown farmhouse with no electricity. He wasn't a reader and never attended a movie and had no Radio or TV.
Gein was truly a weird dude.
~~~

[runswithsissors]

For me, it's always been Zodiac. Very meticolous planning and a very fertile imagination. Also, I believe the murders were secondary to him, a means to an end. What he really liked was sending letters and terrorizing the city. I think that's why there are no known victims after Paul Stine. After coming to close to getting caught during the Stine muder, Zodiac realzed he could get the same thrill just from sending the letters, withous the risk of getting caught or killed himself.

[runswithsissors]

The true identity of the Boston Strangler is still not proven.

Many people don't believe that Albert DeSalvo was the strangler.
I read that the body of the Strangler's last alleged victim, Mary Sullivan was exumed and DNA tests of the semen didn't match DeSalvo.
Some experts say that DeSalvo was coached in his confession

I don't think Desalvo was the Strangler, and I don't think he confessed for noteriety. Desalvo knew they had him dead to rights as a rapist, but he knew if he confessed to the Strangler murders his wife could get money from a book and movie deal to take care of herself and their kids.

[runswithsissors]

Ed Gein facinates me because of the sheer weirdness of his crimes.
Gein was a ghoul who robbed graves and dressed up in costumes made from the skin of the female corpses. Gein murdered at least two women.
Gein made lampshades from the skin of corpses and bowls from their skulls.
He was also a cannibal.

Gein also has the strange recognition of having three famous horror movie villians based on him:

Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Gein's family had owned a slaughterhouse

Norman Bates from Psycho - Gein thought his dead mother talked to him

Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs - Gein made a body suits out of women's skin

[POE-33]

Another serial killer who was never caught was the Butcher of Kingsbury Run.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/unsolved/kingsbury/index_1.html

The killer murdered and dismembered a number of people in Cleveland in the 1930's & 40's. Elliot Ness was the Commisioner of Public safety in Cleveland at the time and he had aspirations of running for governor.
Years later, Ness told an interviewer that the Butcher ruined his political career.

Had all of the victims been women and if Cleveland was more of a Media center, the Butcher og Kingsbury Run would be as notorious as Jack the Ripper or the Boston Strangler.
~~~

[rph3664]

Unfortunately, that story about the man who crashed his ex-wife's family's Christmas party in a Santa suit, shot some people, and then blew up the house with a homemade flame thrower is probably going to go down in true-crime history as one of the most interesting mass murders.

I'll bet this guy's killed before and just hasn't been caught.

:rose:

[rph3664]

Another serial killer who was never caught was the Butcher of Kingsbury Run.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/unsolved/kingsbury/index_1.html

The killer murdered and dismembered a number of people in Cleveland in the 1930's & 40's. Elliot Ness was the Commisioner of Public safety in Cleveland at the time and he had aspirations of running for governor.
Years later, Ness told an interviewer that the Butcher ruined his political career.

Had all of the victims been women and if Cleveland was more of a Media center, the Butcher og Kingsbury Run would be as notorious as Jack the Ripper or the Boston Strangler.
~~~

How unfortunate that the violent death of a man isn't as shocking as that of a woman.

:(

If we had had modern criminology in the 1930s, as well as CNN and the Internet to alert the whole world, whoever did this would probably have been caught.

[Super Volcano]

How unfortunate that the violent death of a man isn't as shocking as that of a woman.

:(

If we had had modern criminology in the 1930s, as well as CNN and the Internet to alert the whole world, whoever did this would probably have been caught.

Yea, good point. I have always thought of that as well. Any murder should be thought of, and mourned for, equally, and treated equally. Good thing we have the knowledge and hope that even though they aren't caught here in this life, they will face the ultimate judge when they die, and meet their maker.