View Full Version : Aileen Wuornos
f0revery0urs
07-19-2008, 03:57 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBcjII3QAE
This woman was insane. The movie "Monster" was very good at showing her life, and was actually pretty accurate for a movie. She died October 9, 2002 after killing 7 known victims.
She tried to justify her killings by saying she was raped and was protecting herself.
Crazy much?!
Mojave
07-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Wow. She was really crazy right up until the end.
One2Snoop
07-19-2008, 09:02 PM
Here's a story that was written for Crime Library ...
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/wuornos/1.html
AILEEN WUORNOS: KILLER WHO PREYED ON TRUCK DRIVERS
By Marlee Macleod
The Myth and the Reality
Some of what you've heard about Aileen Wuornos is true.
Yes, she killed seven men in Florida. Yes, she was a prostitute. She gave a shocking, detailed confession at the behest of her lesbian ex-lover, and during her trial she was legally adopted by a well-meaning woman who claimed to receive her instruction from God. She had memorable profane outbursts in more than one courtroom, and she was executed Oct. 9, 2002, the recipient of six death sentences, more than anyone else residing on Death Row. All these things are true.
f0revery0urs
07-20-2008, 12:00 AM
She was crazy til the end. She went from saying that it wasnt her to saying she was raped and they deserved it. Be real.
Karin
07-20-2008, 12:50 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBcjII3QAE
This woman was insane. The movie "Monster" was very good at showing her life, and was actually pretty accurate for a movie. She died October 9, 2002 after killing 7 known victims.
She tried to justify her killings by saying she was raped and was protecting herself.
Crazy much?!
She really was crazy! That interview was priceless. She was delusional and I think should be the poster child for insanity!
I have read where she had a very horrible childhood, beyond what most kids could handle. Not sure what other ingredients shaped her destiny but she was fighting an uphill battle from a young age........
f0revery0urs
07-20-2008, 11:38 AM
She went through a lot growing up and was bound to become insane. Honestly, she is the most interesting serial killer I've ever looked into. Anyone see Monster??
Drumbum
07-20-2008, 05:31 PM
I saw an interview just before she was executed and she finally came clean about what we already knew. She did because she wanted to and much of what she said was an outright lie.
Karin
07-20-2008, 11:59 PM
I saw an interview just before she was executed and she finally came clean about what we already knew. She did because she wanted to and much of what she said was an outright lie.
Hi Drumbum.......I just watched that youtube interview and it was so sad. She didn't seem quite as angry as she did in some of her other interviews. I certainly hope she was at least serious about trying to make amends with God, before she died. There is something about her that seems very tragic to me, unlike other serial killers. Don't have a grasp on it yet.
Drumbum
07-21-2008, 04:33 AM
Hi Drumbum.......I just watched that youtube interview and it was so sad. She didn't seem quite as angry as she did in some of her other interviews. I certainly hope she was at least serious about trying to make amends with God, before she died. There is something about her that seems very tragic to me, unlike other serial killers. Don't have a grasp on it yet.
Hiyas, K. Yes, her story is tragic, she never had a chance. Unfortunately, there's too many in this world like her.:(
Karin
07-23-2008, 01:06 AM
Hiyas, K. Yes, her story is tragic, she never had a chance. Unfortunately, there's too many in this world like her.:(
Yes there is, but most of us don't feel like killing others to get what we think we need. Aileen almost seems like a victim of circumstance. I think she was so desperate that killing to get money seemed ok. I do think she was driven to insanity by her constant rejection in life.....but ultimately she was sick.
rph3664
07-23-2008, 01:15 AM
I do not believe she should have been executed; LWOP was a more appropriate sentence for her, IMHO.
"Monster" was simply a dramatization and took some liberties with dates and so forth. "Aileen: Portrait of a Serial Killer" is an actual documentary and is much, much better although "Monster" is good and Charlize Theron deserved that Academy Award.
Her friend Dawn goes into a spiel about how there were no gay people when she was growing up - that homosexuality is, in her opinion, an invention of the past 10 or 20 years.
:confused:
f0revery0urs
07-23-2008, 05:28 PM
Its crazy that she blames the cops by saying they knew that she was killing since the first murder. After watching all the youtube videos of her talking and her biography, you cant help but to feel a little sorry for her, even though she killed people.
and rph3664 ill have to check out that documentary. thanks. :seeya:
Karin
07-24-2008, 11:02 PM
I do not believe she should have been executed; LWOP was a more appropriate sentence for her, IMHO.
"Monster" was simply a dramatization and took some liberties with dates and so forth. "Aileen: Portrait of a Serial Killer" is an actual documentary and is much, much better although "Monster" is good and Charlize Theron deserved that Academy Award.
Her friend Dawn goes into a spiel about how there were no gay people when she was growing up - that homosexuality is, in her opinion, an invention of the past 10 or 20 years.
:confused:
I agree. She should have been studied by psychologists who specialize in the characteristics that contribute to serial killers. Like Dr. Stone from Investigative Discovery channel. He rates these types of crimes based on several types of criteria. Aileen was literally developed into a serial killer and I would like to know what Dr. Stone would have said about her.
Wasn't the actor in, "Portrait of a Serial Killer" that blonde girl from the 1980's sitcom, "Designing Women"? Can't think of her name right now, but it was very well done! OH YEA..........Jean Smart!
m2kfl
07-27-2008, 12:03 AM
This was an unusual high profile case here. The material for both features came from the case and interviews with her before she was executed. Some of the actual locations were used in "The Monster.
As a truck driver and local resident, I have been to the truck stop in question (it is now gone) and to this day travel the same roads she did and in the same general area throughout the Central Florida area.
Since that time the CFL area seems to get an unusual number of high profile cases that garner the Nation's attention. The most recent missing child case is on the national news almost every night.
MURT
Karin
08-01-2008, 08:49 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't come back to this particular site again. What an insult to smart women! Is there anyway to report this crap?:flamemad:
Drumbum
08-01-2008, 11:08 PM
Looks like someone's got the wrong forum or the spammers have found us. Run for your net lives!
grneyes
08-01-2008, 11:20 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't come back to this particular site again. What an insult to smart women! Is there anyway to report this crap?:flamemad:
It's been reported by several people but the Moderator evidently has not checked in yet. Maybe away for the weekend?
Its just me
08-02-2008, 02:37 PM
It's been reported by several people but the Moderator evidently has not checked in yet. Maybe away for the weekend?
Bumping to get beyond this sick soul posting the porn.
WarmNCozy
08-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Yes there is, but most of us don't feel like killing others to get what we think we need. Aileen almost seems like a victim of circumstance. I think she was so desperate that killing to get money seemed ok. I do think she was driven to insanity by her constant rejection in life.....but ultimately she was sick.
I totally agree with you and Drum. I almost feel sorry for her because of what was done to her by her own family to make her into the killer she became.
JConnolly
09-08-2008, 12:36 PM
What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?
I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks! :)
JC
WarmNCozy
09-08-2008, 01:06 PM
What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?
I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks! :)
JC
I'm wonder too! But since I'm not a Florida lawyer, I don't have a clue:shrug:
JConnolly
09-08-2008, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the reply! I'm glad I'm not the only one who wonders! I was kind of afraid to post my question to be honest... I was sure someone would come along and make me feel stupid LOL.
:) JC
Karin
09-08-2008, 04:46 PM
What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?
I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks! :)
JC
Hi JC, Florida has one of the most aggressive appellate courts for death penalty cases and does what most other states should do and that is to kill em good! Eileen refused some of her appeals and said she was ready to die. Think she later changed her mind but they had already filled the needles...Appeals are automatic on all death penalty cases...She was a whacked one!
rph3664
09-08-2008, 07:14 PM
I believe she was insane and should not have been executed. And it was about 10 years from conviction to execution; it's not like it happened the next month or anything like that.
Karin
09-08-2008, 08:24 PM
I believe she was insane and should not have been executed. And it was about 10 years from conviction to execution; it's not like it happened the next month or anything like that.
I sorta feel that way too...something about her might could have been saved. I think life was unusually cruel for her, but then again she was a cold killer...can't come to terms on this one!
Drumbum
09-09-2008, 02:32 AM
She had a plethora of problems and could have been hospitalized. She'd want to die one week and the next, no way. But many go through that I imagine. Being executed is bad enough, but the wait is even worse.
Jules100
09-09-2008, 06:43 AM
I think that the first murder of Richard Mallory set something off in her and then she could not control what she did- she was paranoid, thinking that they were going to hurt her and saw only one way out- killing
I don't believe that she thought the way that 'normal people' do
I also think that Tyria Moore new a whole lot more than she let on and could not believe that she never had charged brought against her - talk about making a deal with the devil !
JConnolly
09-09-2008, 10:51 AM
After her first death sentence Wuornos often said she wanted "it all to be over". In 2001 she announced that she would not issue any further appeals against her death sentence. She petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for the right to fire her legal counsel and stop all appeals, saying "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything, because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system.... I am so sick of hearing this 'she's crazy' stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again." Read story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Carol_Wuornos
Sounds to me like she was ready to accept her demise. Sad all the way around. But she got what she deserved in the end. JMO of course.
JC
Karin
09-10-2008, 06:39 AM
I've read her life story. I know about the abusive background. I know about the adulthood that didn't work out. I know about the prostitution. I know about the lesbian lover.
But I still don't really get why she murdered. She changed her story how many times? Self defence, hatred of men, money, scared for her life, kicks, pyscho?
She killed multiple times. She deserved what she got. Women serial murderers are very scarce. What drove this one?
Good day JB, nice to see you lurking about..I'm afraid that she killed because she wanted money to pay her bills..had to take care of her girlfriend! Wacked up prioriities, huh?
Karin
09-10-2008, 06:55 AM
Karin nice to 'see' you too. Is that really all there was to it? Money? Wouldn't be the 1st or the last. But if that's all there was why the to do about her? Why did so many people try to save her? Why did her girlfriend turn against her? I think I'm right about that. Money, I suppose.
Still Karin. Seems to me there's got to be just more than money driving this one. I'm sure that money was probably a huge contributing factor. But still.
JB, Love to stay and chat with you about all the freaking reasons Aileen was wacked out, but I'm off to work...see ya soon :seeya:
Jules100
09-11-2008, 08:04 AM
I totally agree with you and Drum. I almost feel sorry for her because of what was done to her by her own family to make her into the killer she became.
I agree, there was constant rejection from early on in her life , she never stood a chance. I think that she should have received life without parole not the DP. I have both of the documentarys about her made by Nick Broomfield and right up until the end she was being used - she had that idiot lawyer and Arlene Pralle who adopted her. I couldn't help but feel sorry for her . I remember on one of the documentaries that her own mother said it would be better when she was executed- so sad
Nathalie
10-04-2008, 06:38 PM
I have the same documentaries by Nick Broomfield. I think he even won an award for his work on Eileen. I agree that she never stood a chance in her sad life. It seems like everyone took advantage of her vulnerability and she eventually lost her mind. Sad story.
Karin
10-04-2008, 08:32 PM
I have the same documentaries by Nick Broomfield. I think he even won an award for his work on Eileen. I agree that she never stood a chance in her sad life. It seems like everyone took advantage of her vulnerability and she eventually lost her mind. Sad story.
Hi Nathalie, a sad story indeed...I have always felt like she should not have been executed, but should have been hospitalized and studied....She represented the poster child for abuse and hard life...Think she became the victim who could not fight her way out. Ofcourse, she did lose it in the end and too many suffered her by her cold hands..
Drumbum
10-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Hi Nathalie, a sad story indeed...I have always felt like she should not have been executed, but should have been hospitalized and studied....She represented the poster child for abuse and hard life...Think she became the victim who could not fight her way out. Ofcourse, she did lose it in the end and too many suffered her by her cold hands..
I agree. :beer:
Fish Face Frank
10-05-2008, 12:30 AM
Hi JC, Florida has one of the most aggressive appellate courts for death penalty cases and does what most other states should do and that is to kill em good! Eileen refused some of her appeals and said she was ready to die. Think she later changed her mind but they had already filled the needles...Appeals are automatic on all death penalty cases...She was a whacked one!
That and she killed a cop. A big "NO NO" in the eyes of a judicial system.
RaVeN71806
11-25-2008, 10:47 AM
I agree also Aileen should of never been excuated she should of been sent to a phsyc hospital and treated there...this women was degraded, abused, and shut out by her family and girlfriend who in the end turned on her...Aileen wanted to be loved because her whole she dealt with being abused mentally, physically and sexually...she is pure poster child for child abuse..you need to truely look at the persons background too understand them..this women was in pain for many years..you honestly don't see that in many serial killers..but this is jmho...I truely felt bad for Aileen I cryed during her interview because you can see the pain in her...but like I said jmho ;)
Parker
03-04-2009, 02:25 AM
She sure had problems. No excuse for murder. There was no doubt of her guilt. Lots of people have horrible times as kids. But they don't become murderers because of it.
Seashell
03-07-2009, 01:49 PM
She sure had problems. No excuse for murder. There was no doubt of her guilt. Lots of people have horrible times as kids. But they don't become murderers because of it.
She was a mentally sick woman who had been repeatedly raped and sexually abused even when she was a teenager.
Not everyone is the same nor is everyone capable of moving on in life after suffering that kind of abuse,her life was a horrible sad story.
Seashell
03-07-2009, 01:51 PM
I agree also Aileen should of never been excuated she should of been sent to a phsyc hospital and treated there...this women was degraded, abused, and shut out by her family and girlfriend who in the end turned on her...Aileen wanted to be loved because her whole she dealt with being abused mentally, physically and sexually...she is pure poster child for child abuse..you need to truely look at the persons background too understand them..this women was in pain for many years..you honestly don't see that in many serial killers..but this is jmho...I truely felt bad for Aileen I cryed during her interview because you can see the pain in her...but like I said jmho ;)
I totally agree with you and i am pleased to see that there are people like you in this world who show compassion for women like her.
Thank you. :rose:
Parker
03-11-2009, 03:06 AM
I think it's very difficult to be 'general' in an area like this. We can only give our own opinion. Does gender play an issue in deciding whether or not a person is found guilty of murder? I guess it has in some cases. But maybe not as much now as before.
If Wournos had killed people who had abused her she probably wouldn't have been given the DP. Becuase she would have had, IMO, a strong case for provocation. But she killed randomly, men she hadn't known previously. And we only have her story as to what happened.
f0revery0urs
03-18-2009, 06:18 PM
Part of me agrees that she should've just been taken to a pysch place, at least for tests (even though she was clearly crazy), but then another part of me really believes that she knew what she was doing and that even though she went through a lot of horrible things throughout her life that doesn't mean she can just go around killing people.
People go through tough situations (abusive parents, no parents, drugs, alcohol..ect..) and don't go around killing people. She knew what she was doing and she planned to kill the people and rob them.
Parker
03-19-2009, 02:51 AM
It is hard to know which way to go for the best. I guess in the end, retribution for the crimes came before rehabilitating Wuornos. If that was possible. I don't know. I think she knew what she was doing. But I think she could justify herself, to herself. To someone like Wuornos, that was probably all that mattered. When her girlfriend ratted her out, that was the beginning of the end for her, I think. That was one rejection too many.
Seashell
03-20-2009, 03:33 PM
Not everyone in this world reacts to abuse in same manner, she was abused most part of her life and she became twisted in her mind.
I still am sad for her death and i also believe in my heart that she should have been locked away till the end of her days.
SaraSidle
03-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Not everyone in this world reacts to abuse in same manner, she was abused most part of her life and she became twisted in her mind.
I still am sad for her death and i also believe in my heart that she should have been locked away till the end of her days.
ITA Seashell She was so very sick mentally it was not fair........IMO sara
GilmoreGirl
04-23-2009, 09:21 PM
Aileen Wuornos is probably the American female serial killer I've spent the most time researching/reading about etc. and, although I understand it sounds odd to some, I can't help but feel somewhat sorry for her. I know many people have awful upbringings and don't resort to the types of crimes she did, but as someone said above, there is definately something tragic about Aileen.
Also, and this has been a somewhat contentious point when discussing her with others, I do believe that for at least the first 3-4 murders, it was self-defence. I think the reason she denied it was self-defence in some interviews before the end was because she wanted to die, to get her jail time over with and keeping up that it was self-defence could have kept her in jail, whilst appeals were formed etc.
Maybe some people on here will find what I am saying to be a little off, but there is something tragic about Aileen Wuornos.
RaVeN71806
04-26-2009, 01:38 PM
Aileen Wuornos is probably the American female serial killer I've spent the most time researching/reading about etc. and, although I understand it sounds odd to some, I can't help but feel somewhat sorry for her. I know many people have awful upbringings and don't resort to the types of crimes she did, but as someone said above, there is definately something tragic about Aileen.
Also, and this has been a somewhat contentious point when discussing her with others, I do believe that for at least the first 3-4 murders, it was self-defence. I think the reason she denied it was self-defence in some interviews before the end was because she wanted to die, to get her jail time over with and keeping up that it was self-defence could have kept her in jail, whilst appeals were formed etc.
Maybe some people on here will find what I am saying to be a little off, but there is something tragic about Aileen Wuornos.
Gilmore ITA with everything you just said..I actually don't favor anyone who kills another human being but Aileen I truly felt sorry for her..yes she should of been put away for the murder's she commited but not in a jail she really should of been of placed in institution..not executed..
wind149
04-26-2009, 02:08 PM
I agree she should have been sent to a hospital for life instead of being executed, When she first killed, that man was described by his family members as being a violent man and I believe her when she said she defended herself and the others, I can only think that her mind was so far gone, that she really was so deluded, that in her mind she was doing it out of self defense and not greed, wasn't like she was making big bucks when she rolled those guys and I believe that she wanted to keep the only person she ever loved which was Tyria Moore, she was the only one who was ever kind to this poor soul and after watching her on several crime shows, it was so clear that she was mentally ill beyond mentally ill, her paranoia, her delusions that the cops wanted her to kill those guys so they could kill her, this is not a right mind here and as I posted before, my friend actually grew up with her in MI, and she told me that everyone picked on her because she wore hand me downs and was often dirty in appearance and her grandfather was a SOB and her grandmother was an alcoholic and both of them tortured her and I believe the child she bore was her grandfather's and she had a deep hatred towards her mother and who can blame her?
her mother dumped her at that house of horror, knowing full well that she would be abused. I saw a show about her one night and here she is whining about how she wished that Lee had forgiven her before she was executed???? I would have spit in her face! This poor woman never knew real love and compassion, she never had a stable place she could call home, all she had she carried around in a bag and had sex with many men for money and drugs, how could anyone have survived all of that without losing their mind??? I truly believe for Lee that death was a blessing, at least now she lives in peace where no one can ever hurt her again, I don't believe the Lord let her go to Satan, I believe that despite the murders, he forgave her and let her into his kingdom. I had it pretty rough in my younger days, but luckily I never lost my mind and I think until that day when she first killed that she did not set out to be a killer, and that man pushed her over the edge and you know other men had probably hurt her as well and it just broke her mind and I saw her one night telling a reporter that she wanted to die and he asked her if she had any compassion for the victims or their families and she said not a chance in hell and a few other choice words and then went right into her delusions and that was the end of the interview, so sad to watch.
Seashell
04-27-2009, 03:45 PM
I agree she should have been sent to a hospital for life instead of being executed, When she first killed, that man was described by his family members as being a violent man and I believe her when she said she defended herself and the others, I can only think that her mind was so far gone, that she really was so deluded, that in her mind she was doing it out of self defense and not greed, wasn't like she was making big bucks when she rolled those guys and I believe that she wanted to keep the only person she ever loved which was Tyria Moore, she was the only one who was ever kind to this poor soul and after watching her on several crime shows, it was so clear that she was mentally ill beyond mentally ill, her paranoia, her delusions that the cops wanted her to kill those guys so they could kill her, this is not a right mind here and as I posted before, my friend actually grew up with her in MI, and she told me that everyone picked on her because she wore hand me downs and was often dirty in appearance and her grandfather was a SOB and her grandmother was an alcoholic and both of them tortured her and I believe the child she bore was her grandfather's and she had a deep hatred towards her mother and who can blame her?
her mother dumped her at that house of horror, knowing full well that she would be abused. I saw a show about her one night and here she is whining about how she wished that Lee had forgiven her before she was executed???? I would have spit in her face! This poor woman never knew real love and compassion, she never had a stable place she could call home, all she had she carried around in a bag and had sex with many men for money and drugs, how could anyone have survived all of that without losing their mind??? I truly believe for Lee that death was a blessing, at least now she lives in peace where no one can ever hurt her again, I don't believe the Lord let her go to Satan, I believe that despite the murders, he forgave her and let her into his kingdom. I had it pretty rough in my younger days, but luckily I never lost my mind and I think until that day when she first killed that she did not set out to be a killer, and that man pushed her over the edge and you know other men had probably hurt her as well and it just broke her mind and I saw her one night telling a reporter that she wanted to die and he asked her if she had any compassion for the victims or their families and she said not a chance in hell and a few other choice words and then went right into her delusions and that was the end of the interview, so sad to watch.
You are so right about the lost soul aileen i remember seeing a live interview of her and i was amazed how the judge and juries didnt see she was mentally incompetent (mentally ill) she had been raped and badly abused from a young age, sad so sad the lack of humanity in some of us fellow humans to be able to admit that she really was a victim of circumstance thrown to her in her lifetime.
RIP Aileen :rose:
GilmoreGirl
04-27-2009, 07:08 PM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels for her, and recognises what she must have been through in her life. I don't excuse murder but I do believe that most people cannot help the way their lives have turned out, and given a better upbringing in a loving and stable home, Aileen would probably never have done any of the criminal things she had to resort to.
When researching her, one of the things that really signified the tragic moments in her life was when Tyria Moore phoned her to get her to confess. She was the only person Aileen had really loved (from what we can tell) and she betrayed her. It just sums up her life really, and I do find it sad.
I'm in no way religious, but I do hope that Aileen, along with her victims, are living a better life and are in a better place now.
RaVeN71806
04-28-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't know you all have seen it but you should watch the movie "Monster" with Charlize Theron I cryed through most of the movie..I felt so bad for her..I mean the murder is no excusable but if she got the help she needed and had someone who actually cared about her I believe it would of never happened and she would still be alive and would have not commited those murder's..
Seashell
04-28-2009, 09:29 AM
I don't know you all have seen it but you should watch the movie "Monster" with Charlize Theron I cryed through most of the movie..I felt so bad for her..I mean the murder is no excusable but if she got the help she needed and had someone who actually cared about her I believe it would of never happened and she would still be alive and would have not commited those murder's..
I remember the movie and it was how i learnt about her life, i also remember the part when she tried hard to come out of prostitution to find a decent job but due to her lack of studies she couldnt, if only someone had given her a chance, someone who saw how desperatelly she wanted to come out of that life and make something of herself then maybe just maybe she would have been saved.
I also feel for the victims :rose:
GilmoreGirl
04-28-2009, 12:59 PM
I saw 'Monster' too and I agree with you Seashell, the part where she truly wanted to change broke my heart - if just one person had given her the chance to change her life, everything could have been different for her.
I think some people are born killers, they have the stereotypical normal life and still go on to kill. But others, Aileen as an example, could have lived a great life if they'd been given the right start and a few breaks along the way. It's very sad how abused children often go onto crime, most female serial killers I have ever read about have been abused in some way. It makes you think - if social services ect. could guarantee children's safety, what would the crime rates be like today?
Seashell
04-28-2009, 03:11 PM
I saw 'Monster' too and I agree with you Seashell, the part where she truly wanted to change broke my heart - if just one person had given her the chance to change her life, everything could have been different for her.
True.
I think some people are born killers, they have the stereotypical normal life and still go on to kill. But others, Aileen as an example, could have lived a great life if they'd been given the right start and a few breaks along the way. It's very sad how abused children often go onto crime, most female serial killers I have ever read about have been abused in some way. It makes you think - if social services ect. could guarantee children's safety, what would the crime rates be like today?
She was ugly, manly looking and very loud, her chances out in the real world were nil if you think about it what were her chances as a secretary or a waitress? sadly society only see a pretty woman and bingo she has a job.... aileen had a baby when a teen she also had been buggered by her male customers and beaten which set her off.
I am not saying that all the men she killed deserved it but they also took a terrible risk picking her up on the motorways and looking for a quickie deal in their car, do you remember the scene when a customer raped her from behind? she then killed him ,that set her off she really lost her mind from then on and i firmly believe she was so enraged by how life treated her she decided to continue killing....
sad for both victim and aileen.
wind149
04-28-2009, 07:27 PM
She was doomed from the minute of conception, her father ended up in prison for being a babyraper, her mother abandoned her and made her go live with two violent people, there is no wonder that she ended up the way she was, but death is what she wanted and I think she is in heaven with her brother Keith and at peace. Lots of people feel like we do, that she should have been sent to a hospital, Andrea Yates went to one and she murdered her own kids!!! There is a good chance that someday she will con some doctor into letting her out so how is this punishment?? I used to be on her side but a couple off months ago I read an article that she is thriving and even has a boyfriend, sounds to me she is working on a new life and I hope the doctors do not fall for it, this woman is still able to bear children and who is to say for certain that she won't go off her meds the minute she leaves the hospital? That is what she did every time the voices in her head got loud??? Lee, I think became mentally ill at a very young age, being beaten and starved and kicked out at age 12 to go live in the woods even in MI winters, she slept in an old car and my friend remembers people picking on her about that and not having decent clothes and also, teachers knew and said nothing, only one person in school took pity on her and that was a woman who worked in the cafeteria as she gave Lee food because she knew she was starving and was very underweight and malnourished so she could possibly be the only person in MI besides her brother who ever gave a damm about her and it is too bad her brother died, maybe her life would have been different.
Seashell
04-29-2009, 03:20 AM
She was doomed from the minute of conception, her father ended up in prison for being a babyraper, her mother abandoned her and made her go live with two violent people, there is no wonder that she ended up the way she was, but death is what she wanted and I think she is in heaven with her brother Keith and at peace. Lots of people feel like we do, that she should have been sent to a hospital, Andrea Yates went to one and she murdered her own kids!!! There is a good chance that someday she will con some doctor into letting her out so how is this punishment?? I used to be on her side but a couple off months ago I read an article that she is thriving and even has a boyfriend, sounds to me she is working on a new life and I hope the doctors do not fall for it, this woman is still able to bear children and who is to say for certain that she won't go off her meds the minute she leaves the hospital? That is what she did every time the voices in her head got loud??? Lee, I think became mentally ill at a very young age, being beaten and starved and kicked out at age 12 to go live in the woods even in MI winters, she slept in an old car and my friend remembers people picking on her about that and not having decent clothes and also, teachers knew and said nothing, only one person in school took pity on her and that was a woman who worked in the cafeteria as she gave Lee food because she knew she was starving and was very underweight and malnourished so she could possibly be the only person in MI besides her brother who ever gave a damm about her and it is too bad her brother died, maybe her life would have been different.
You wrote it as it really is, thank you and still i feel for aileen.
Does it suprise me that the mother who murdered her own children will be out in the near possible future? NO
just look at how karla homolka was given a few years in jail and is living the life in the bahamas with her baby ... the courts and sentencing really need to be looked at how unfair it has become...
GilmoreGirl
04-29-2009, 01:23 PM
And not to say that one killer is overtly 'worse' or 'better' than another, but Aileen killed in self-defence and for the purpose of improving her lifestyle, she needed the money. She shot them and didn't torture them. Karla Homolka, on the other hand, tortured and raped young girls. I have to say, rape and torture must be considered worse than a single shot to the head, but still Karla Homolka is living her life to the full now, whereas Aileen Wuornos obviously isn't.
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