Michelle Young November 2, 2006

[zed]

"Michelle Young was about 20 weeks pregnant when she was beaten to death in her Wake County home in 2006."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3151430/

This Jul. 3, 2008 article addresses whether the death of an unborn child constitutes murder, and Michelle Young is mentioned.

There are interesting details surrounding this murder that resemble spousal homicide. The case is unsolved.

Here's another article where someone has been charged with the death of unborn children in NC.

She was 5 months pregnant when shot, the twins were delivered and died the next day. "North Carolina law does not recognize the death of a fetus or unborn child as a result of a violent crime as a homicide.

Chapman ... is expected to make his first court appearance Thursday on the two murder charges, as well as a charge of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3144303/

If the law is changed, and if this was a spousal homicide, Jason Young could be a little bit worried.

[zed]

Link to the proposed law: http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/Senate/HTML/S295v0.html

[Barbara2]

I don't know if he would be charged if the law is implemented now. I believe the law would have to be in effect at the time of the crime.

[zed]

I don't know if he would be charged if the law is implemented now. I believe the law would have to be in effect at the time of the crime.

Possibly, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out, as Chapman has been charged without the law being in place.

[Barbara2]

Possibly, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out, as Chapman has been charged without the law being in place.

I think the difference there is that they delivered the twins and they died after delivery. It's a small technicality but I think they can charge him since they weren't in the "unborn" category and did die as a result of his actions.

[Barbara2]

I do agree with you though that the murderer should be charged with 2 murders.

[SaraSidle]

I do agree with you though that the murderer should be charged with 2 murders.

Hi I am a lurker on Michelle Young over at InSessions (when it was operational). I think if any woman who is pregant at the time of her murder the perp should be charged with 2 deaths. IMO

I also cannot let go of the idea that Michelle's sister had to go to her house to get a fax for JY. Something wrong there. I do not have a POI but that still gets at me!!!!!!!!!!! thanks. Glad you are here......IMO

[Notknowingall]

I do agree with you though that the murderer should be charged with 2 murders.

ITA with you there.

[Barbara2]

Hi I am a lurker on Michelle Young over at InSessions (when it was operational). I think if any woman who is pregant at the time of her murder the perp should be charged with 2 deaths. IMO

I also cannot let go of the idea that Michelle's sister had to go to her house to get a fax for JY. Something wrong there. I do not have a POI but that still gets at me!!!!!!!!!!! thanks. Glad you are here......IMO

The husband certainly has given many reason to believe that he killed his wife. It will be interesting to see what comes out when the trial takes place since so little has leaked out in this one.

[SaraSidle]

Is there a trial date? What do you think of his alibi?

[Barbara2]

Is there a trial date? What do you think of his alibi?

There has been no arrest. The husband was out of town the night she was killed. He had a business meeting the next morning at 10 a.m. The meeting location was 5 hours away. He stayed at a hotel that was 2 1/2 hours away from his house leaving him still 2 1/2 hours away from his meeting. He called his wife's sister the following morning and asked her to go over to his house and get a document that he had left on the printer. That's all I know for sure. Oh, and he was having a "romantic relationship" with a sorority sister of his wife.

[SaraSidle]

I still think he is a POI but I would like to see more evidence. IMO

[cougermom]

I still think he is a POI but I would like to see more evidence. IMO

I agree and apparently the DA agrees also.CM

[SaraSidle]

I agree and apparently the DA agrees also.CM

I think that is the only hold up but I am sure they have more than what they are letting on. IMO

[cougermom]

I think,like the Ramsey child,they have unidentified DNA and that is a big problem. I also don`t believe that Jason Young`s alibi can be broke.
Can you imagine what the mother and father of this child went through being called murders in every news outlet in the US and dealing with the death of this beautiful little girl? My heart breaks for them. I hope the Detective that called Patsy Ramsey a murder of her own child on national TV just to sell his book burns in hell for what he said and wrote.I wonder if the money he made off calling this mother a murderer is worth it. He will lose 10 x the amount he made off her pain. Sorry for the venting,I just hope Jason does not have to suffer the name calling as long as the Ramsey`s did. CM:rose:

[Kat4Eagles]

"Michelle Young was about 20 weeks pregnant when she was beaten to death in her Wake County home in 2006."

<snipped>
If the law is changed, and if this was a spousal homicide, Jason Young could be a little bit worried.

Thanx for starting a Michelle thread.
Not sure why Jason would be worried about anything at this point, except to clear his name .
There have been no charges or arrests...

5108 Birchleaf Drive.

I was just reading that the home was finally sold, it is interesting to note that a sale reguires an attorney to be present at the time of the sale, for both the sellers and buyers. It is the law in NC......
(I still can not imagine anyone wanting to live there.)

I wonder if Jason had to attend such a meeting.

Kat

[aykaie]

I think,like the Ramsey child,they have unidentified DNA and that is a big problem. I also don`t believe that Jason Young`s alibi can be broke.
Can you imagine what the mother and father of this child went through being called murders in every news outlet in the US and dealing with the death of this beautiful little girl? My heart breaks for them. I hope the Detective that called Patsy Ramsey a murder of her own child on national TV just to sell his book burns in hell for what he said and wrote.I wonder if the money he made off calling this mother a murderer is worth it. He will lose 10 x the amount he made off her pain. Sorry for the venting,I just hope Jason does not have to suffer the name calling as long as the Ramsey`s did. CM:rose:

And like what is being done to the Fisher family.

DNA testing has come a long way since JonBenet's murder. If her murder occured today, the Ramsey's would have been cleared immediately.

If foreign DNA was found in the Young home, the husband would have been cleared by now.

[cougermom]

And like what is being done to the Fisher family.

DNA testing has come a long way since JonBenet's murder. If her murder occured today, the Ramsey's would have been cleared immediately.

If foreign DNA was found in the Young home, the husband would have been cleared by now.And how do you know he has not been cleared. The Sheriff of Wake County has not made any public statement of anyone being cleared.I don`t expect anymore statement's from him until an arrest is made.All his statements have been standard LE statements. We have not ruled anyone out,we are making progress,we will leave no stone unturned. I read these in EVERY murder investigation.Standard answers to public and media.
By the way,to clear up those Detectives from Wake County being in Brevard,duh............... they were investigating the murder of a girl from Brevard that was murdered and DUMPED in Wake County. Mystery solved....CM
ETA:
I doubt very much touch DNA has been necessary and is still rarely used. UNIDENTIFIED DNA is UNIDENTIFIED regardless of how it is obtained.

[Kat4Eagles]

And how do you know he has not been cleared. The Sheriff of Wake County has not made any public statement of anyone being cleared.I don`t expect anymore statement's from him until an arrest is made.All his statements have been standard LE statements. We have not ruled anyone out,we are making progress,we will leave no stone unturned. I read these in EVERY murder investigation.Standard answers to public and media.
By the way,to clear up those Detectives from Wake County being in Brevard,duh............... they were investigating the murder of a girl from Brevard that was murdered and DUMPED in Wake County. Mystery solved....CM
ETA:
I doubt very much touch DNA has been necessary and is still rarely used. UNIDENTIFIED DNA is UNIDENTIFIED regardless of how it is obtained.


If foreign DNA or someone else's unidentifiable fingerprints were not found in the home, then why did L E need to take so many prints from friends and family?
Jason had already submitted his for comparision.

Kat

[cougermom]

I am totally convinced that LE has DNA they can not identify.I am for DNA being taken from anyone who is arrested. Most may not agree with me.
I was reading some where of DNA back up is so for backed up it took 6 years in one case to identify DNA that was in the data bank. There is NO excuse for it taking any where near that time. CM

[Kat4Eagles]

I am totally convinced that LE has DNA they can not identify.I am for DNA being taken from anyone who is arrested. Most may not agree with me.
I was reading some where of DNA back up is so for backed up it took 6 years in one case to identify DNA that was in the data bank. There is NO excuse for it taking any where near that time. CM

Hi Cougar...........and one of the search warrants specifically asked for a palm print...so someone's palm print must have been left behind...that did not match..

Kat

[RPD]

Well, well if it's not Cougie and Kat.:D

[cougermom]

Greta just reported that the body of a mother of two has just been found floating in a lake. Amanda Lamb was reporting. She was from Cary NC another murder in Wake county.......
I will look for link.....CM

[cougermom]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3206686/

Body found in Wake County


Posted: 51 minutes ago
Updated: 1 minute ago

Cary, N.C. — A body was found Monday evening in Wake County, and police said they were looking into the possibility that it was the body of a missing Cary woman.

At about 7:30 p.m., a man walking his dog reported seeing a person floating in a pond near Holly Springs Road and Fielding Drive.

That location is not far from where a mother of two reportedly went missing from.

Jessica Adams, a friend of Nancy Cooper, reported her missing at 2:15 p.m. when she failed to show up for a visit, police said at a news conference Monday evening.

What the heck is going on in Wake County?:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3206686/

Body found in Wake County


Posted: 51 minutes ago
Updated: 1 minute ago

Cary, N.C. — A body was found Monday evening in Wake County, and police said they were looking into the possibility that it was the body of a missing Cary woman.

At about 7:30 p.m., a man walking his dog reported seeing a person floating in a pond near Holly Springs Road and Fielding Drive.

That location is not far from where a mother of two reportedly went missing from.

Jessica Adams, a friend of Nancy Cooper, reported her missing at 2:15 p.m. when she failed to show up for a visit, police said at a news conference Monday evening.

What the heck is going on in Wake County?:shrug:


Wow, I never knew NC was like this.
I thought Philly was bad.

Kat

[SaraSidle]

Pay no attention.......you know how it is, no arrest has made some people restless.

It's only been what?, going on 21 months now?

Any day now...
Kat

It has been too long

[aykaie]

We have no way of knowing if that is true, the sheriff said that was just one of many stories told to them..and there was no way at that time he stated that to verify it either way.

One of those things we have to wait and see how it plays out..

Kat

When did the the sheriff say that? I have been following this case from day one and never heard such a thing.

That statement was in one of the first warrants as well.

I am sure that LE confirmed the information as well. It would be easy enough to do.

[SaraSidle]

We had 2 female bodies wash up in different parts of Lake Michigan this week!

[Kat4Eagles]

It has been too long


I agree, and murder is messy and most cases are solved easily in a short time.

The latest cases in NC already have arrests.

It shouldn't be taking this long.

Kat

[cougermom]

I agree, and murder is messy and most cases are solved easily in a short time.

The latest cases in NC already have arrests.

It shouldn't be taking this long.

KatHi kat,now another murder in Wake County. How many unsolved murders this year,last year or year before? What is their problem?Is Wake county short of help? Sounds like they must be under staffed especially in the investigations Dept.
Any word on the GJ meeting today anyone?.....cm

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi kat,now another murder in Wake County. How many unsolved murders this year,last year or year before? What is their problem?Is Wake county short of help? Sounds like they must be under staffed especially in the investigations Dept.
Any word on the GJ meeting today anyone?.....cm


I have not heard a word, I see they found the body of the missing jogger..
:(

Kat

[janesdean]

I think,like the Ramsey child,they have unidentified DNA and that is a big problem. I also don`t believe that Jason Young`s alibi can be broke.
Can you imagine what the mother and father of this child went through being called murders in every news outlet in the US and dealing with the death of this beautiful little girl? My heart breaks for them. I hope the Detective that called Patsy Ramsey a murder of her own child on national TV just to sell his book burns in hell for what he said and wrote.I wonder if the money he made off calling this mother a murderer is worth it. He will lose 10 x the amount he made off her pain. Sorry for the venting,I just hope Jason does not have to suffer the name calling as long as the Ramsey`s did. CM:rose:

Upthread, you say this:

07-13-2008, 08:54 PM
cougermom
Member Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 19


Quote:
Originally Posted by SaraSidle
I still think he is a POI but I would like to see more evidence. IMO

I agree and apparently the DA agrees also.CM

so I am wondering which opinion is actually Your opinion, thanks janesdean:rolleyes:

[janesdean]

Are you purposely trying to mislead people? I have never seen a statement by the sheriff stating "that was just one of many stories told to him" The sheriff has never sadi such a thing That might be your opinion and if so mention it as such but please dont start with misleading comments on this board! I have no idea what you think there is to gain by making false statements


You really have to take what some (handful) of these posters dream up and post as merely their projection on things. I agree, the sheriff NEVER made that statement, what he did say was that Meredith was sent a voice mail from Jason asking her to go to the house and pick up a document from his printer. It was (in my opinion) a ruse, to have Meredith find her dead sisters' body and rescue his daughter Cassidy, who had been ALONE for hours with her dead mothers body. Again, a few posters from IS will rewrite history and argue endlessly about Jason Youngs innocence, yet they can't tell you why all the search warrants focus only on Jason Young and no one else. The sheriff in Wake Co. has pretty much been focused on Jason Young and still 21 months later, not one other person has been named on a SW's or in any media reports as being investigated. :cool:

[janesdean]

Respectfully snipped :

[QUOTE=aykaie;9110028]When did the the sheriff say that?

He didn't, that poster is wrong, and also posts alot of incorrect statements. Some of these people from IS are fanatics about Jason Young, and constantly post BS about the victims family, as well as bash them. You will see these posters for their true colors quite soon, they are transparent

[cougermom]

Upthread, you say this:

07-13-2008, 08:54 PM
cougermom
Member Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 19


Quote:
Originally Posted by SaraSidle
I still think he is a POI but I would like to see more evidence. IMO

I agree and apparently the DA agrees also.CM

so I am wondering which opinion is actually Your opinion, thanks janesdean:rolleyes:Actually I almost went back and change the post to say I agree I need to see more evidence before considering Jason a POI. You know my feelings about Michelle`s murder,I do not think Jason Young murdered his wife.Maybe this will help.....CM
:rolleyes:

[cougermom]

You really have to take what some (handful) of these posters dream up and post as merely their projection on things. I agree, the sheriff NEVER made that statement, what he did say was that Meredith was sent a voice mail from Jason asking her to go to the house and pick up a document from his printer. It was (in my opinion) a ruse, to have Meredith find her dead sisters' body and rescue his daughter Cassidy, who had been ALONE for hours with her dead mothers body. Again, a few posters from IS will rewrite history and argue endlessly about Jason Youngs innocence, yet they can't tell you why all the search warrants focus only on Jason Young and no one else. The sheriff in Wake Co. has pretty much been focused on Jason Young and still 21 months later, not one other person has been named on a SW's or in any media reports as being investigated. :cool:
And.............this focus on Jason as you suggest could be the reason there has been NO arrest in this case............cm

[cougermom]

Respectfully snipped :

[QUOTE=aykaie;9110028]When did the the sheriff say that?

He didn't, that poster is wrong, and also posts alot of incorrect statements. Some of these people from IS are fanatics about Jason Young, and constantly post BS about the victims family, as well as bash them. You will see these posters for their true colors quite soon, they are transparent
I think your color is already showing, slow over at scott`s huh????cm

[cougermom]

Great work and congratulation to these LE Investigators.

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3211278/
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[Kat4Eagles]

And.............this focus on Jason as you suggest could be the reason there has been NO arrest in this case............cm

I don't understand how anyone can say that there was not any foreign DNA at the crime scene .

If there was not any foreigh DNA, then there would have been an arrest by now.

I guess the GJ came away empty on this case again this week.

:shrug:

Kat

[aykaie]

I don't understand how anyone can say that there was not any foreign DNA at the crime scene .

If there was not any foreigh DNA, then there would have been an arrest by now.

I guess the GJ came away empty on this case again this week.

:shrug:

Kat

Why would the absence of foreign DNA lead to an arrest? That makes no sense at all.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would the absence of foreign DNA lead to an arrest? That makes no sense at all.\


Because if it only belonged to Jason or those close to Michelle, then a stranger or strangers could be ruled out...

It makes no sense to me that you suspect Jason either, when he was in another city far away.

Kat

[cougermom]

I don't understand how anyone can say that there was not any foreign DNA at the crime scene .

If there was not any foreigh DNA, then there would have been an arrest by now.

I guess the GJ came away empty on this case again this week.

:shrug:

KatHello Kat,look`s like another GJ without that indictment scott`s kids keep looking for.If her kids are correct that Jason is the only POI, I see why no indictment............cm:patriot:

[aykaie]

Hello Kat,look`s like another GJ without that indictment scott`s kids keep looking for.If her kids are correct that Jason is the only POI, I see why no indictment............cm:patriot:


Who are "Scott's Kids"?

[cougermom]

Who are "Scott's Kids"?It is a gossip form. You have been posting on Michelle boards,you know where it is........cm :patriot:

[Kat4Eagles]

It is a gossip form. You have been posting on Michelle boards,you know where it is........cm :patriot:


I am not aware of that forum either, Coug, will you link it here or PM me?
Thank you.

I heard Amanda Lamb on Greta last nite talking about the murder case from Cary...


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=janesdean;9110305]


~snipped~

Again, a few posters from IS will rewrite history and argue endlessly about Jason Youngs innocence, yet they can't tell you why all the search warrants focus only on Jason Young and no one else.


Can the other remaining posters tell us again why there has been no arrest?
Thanxx..

Kat

[janesdean]

Hello Kat,look`s like another GJ without that indictment scott`s kids keep looking for.If her kids are correct that Jason is the only POI, I see why no indictment............cm:patriot:

Who's Scott and who are his kids ? Looks like the case hasn't been fully resolved yet, no biggie, murder cases usually do take time. In some cases they are solved immediately, but, not this one. You and Kat don't do normal, everyday patience well at all. You both seem very nervous because there has been no arrest yet, thats odd, this happens everyday in all types of investigations by LE, they follow leads, check out all people involved, they do their job. Most, normal people know this and do not get all up tight about it. LOL Most, normal people...:D

[aykaie]

I am not aware of that forum either, Coug, will you link it here or PM me?
Thank you.

I heard Amanda Lamb on Greta last nite talking about the murder case from Cary...


Kat

Yes CM, can you link "Scott's Kids" here? I am sorry. I have never heard of it.

TIA

[cougermom]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! SCOUT's not Scott's! Got it!! I guess thats where everyone is, huh?You will note her own poster is the one who referred to the group as "Kids". Her poster`s words and one of her"insiders" at that. I repeat it is nothing but a gossip board....cm......:patriot:

[aykaie]

You will note her own poster is the one who referred to the group as "Kids". Her poster`s words and one of her"insiders" at that. I repeat it is nothing but a gossip board....cm......:patriot:

No. I got that from your post:

"Hello Kat,look`s like another GJ without that indictment scott`s kids keep looking for.If her kids are correct that Jason is the only POI, I see why no indictment............cm"

[cougermom]

No. I got that from your post:

"Hello Kat,look`s like another GJ without that indictment scott`s kids keep looking for.If her kids are correct that Jason is the only POI, I see why no indictment............cm"And I got it from reading over at scott`s and realized how correct the poster was. They are kid`s playing games and calling it,the we love Michelle game. pathetic if you ask me but then you haven`t, but my statement stands.
You wouldn`t be drifting around the boards again would you?.............cm:patriot:

[june1943]

I am not aware of that forum either, Coug, will you link it here or PM me?
Thank you.

I heard Amanda Lamb on Greta last nite talking about the murder case from Cary...


Kat

That's 3 in about a 10 to 15 mile radius. MY, JN and now NC. I don't know about JN not much has been said about her but the other 2 look to be in pretty upscale neighborhoods . BC must be an awful good provider as NC didn't work. Looks like the LE in Cary has pretty much decided BC killed her ,she is saying the neighbor hood is safe and it wasn't a random killing sure sounds familiar doesn't it. If this one isn't solved I think if I lived in that area I would make sure I had an alarm system and a pit bull dog. Naw I would just move. Safer that way. They are saying at Scouts that toward the end of summer there will be an arrest in Michelles case. Wonder why LE is waiting till the end of summer? Didn't make much sense to me. Alot of talk went on about what MF got from Michelle when the house was cleaned out. Got me to thinking that she must have gotten Michelle's clothes and that was why she lost 100 lbs so she could wear them. Any thoughts on that? :)

[janesdean]

That's 3 in about a 10 to 15 mile radius. MY, JN and now NC. I don't know about JN not much has been said about her but the other 2 look to be in pretty upscale neighborhoods . BC must be an awful good provider as NC didn't work. Looks like the LE in Cary has pretty much decided BC killed her ,she is saying the neighbor hood is safe and it wasn't a random killing sure sounds familiar doesn't it. If this one isn't solved I think if I lived in that area I would make sure I had an alarm system and a pit bull dog. Naw I would just move. Safer that way. They are saying at Scouts that toward the end of summer there will be an arrest in Michelles case. Wonder why LE is waiting till the end of summer? Didn't make much sense to me. Alot of talk went on about what MF got from Michelle when the house was cleaned out. Got me to thinking that she must have gotten Michelle's clothes and that was why she lost 100 lbs so she could wear them. Any thoughts on that? :)

That is a pretty common occurrence, when someones sister dies, the other siblings usually do take their belongings. And, I imagine grief may have played a role in her weight loss. Another common occurrence. So, I see another murdered wife and husband is the poi, huh ? Wow, there's a shocker

[janesdean]

[QUOTE=janesdean;9110305]


~snipped~

Again, a few posters from IS will rewrite history and argue endlessly about Jason Youngs innocence, yet they can't tell you why all the search warrants focus only on Jason Young and no one else.


Can the other remaining posters tell us again why there has been no arrest?
Thanxx..

Kat

Instead of asking posters that question, why don't you contact LE in Wake County and ask them, I 'm sure they would love to hear from you. That way you would be able to inform them directly that they aren't working up to your idea of competent LE and let em know how long ago this murder happened and tell em how you think they are lagging. Please post their reaction to your complaints, ok ? TIA

[june1943]

And I got it from reading over at scott`s and realized how correct the poster was. They are kid`s playing games and calling it,the we love Michelle game. pathetic if you ask me but then you haven`t, but my statement stands.
You wouldn`t be drifting around the boards again would you?.............cm:patriot:

It was the guy over there that's always trying to guess who people are that said it. I forgot what name he was using , the one he uses to pretend he is from Brevard. He called them kids. I thought the name fit pretty good. They are so bored they are turning on their own . Calling them trolls and they are JDI's I thought that was a hoot. Back to Michelle's case. If LE hadn't found any unidentified prints or DNA I think they would have gone ahead with the arrest on Jason. This is from shortly after the murder , I would say unidentified DNA and prints is what has taken 2 years longer and still no arrest.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1074351/

[Kat4Eagles]

I just heard in the Cooper case that the children have been placed in the custody of Nancy's parents and family.

You can see where this case is going..


So, how come C is still with Jason, her daddy......... if he is also the only suspect?


:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That's 3 in about a 10 to 15 mile radius. MY, JN and now NC. I don't know about JN not much has been said about her but the other 2 look to be in pretty upscale neighborhoods . BC must be an awful good provider as NC didn't work. Looks like the LE in Cary has pretty much decided BC killed her ,she is saying the neighbor hood is safe and it wasn't a random killing sure sounds familiar doesn't it. If this one isn't solved I think if I lived in that area I would make sure I had an alarm system and a pit bull dog. Naw I would just move. Safer that way. They are saying at Scouts that toward the end of summer there will be an arrest in Michelles case. Wonder why LE is waiting till the end of summer? Didn't make much sense to me. Alot of talk went on about what MF got from Michelle when the house was cleaned out. Got me to thinking that she must have gotten Michelle's clothes and that was why she lost 100 lbs so she could wear them. Any thoughts on that? :)


I never thought of that, but you are right.
I guess there was not much sense giving the clothing to her only sister in their weight difference.
I guess purses and shoes and things like that would be more practical, I sure hope they saved a lot of things for C.
I am not sure what this is about though, is someone saying they wanted Michelle's things and did not get them?
Is someone thinking the purse auctioned off on Ebay was once Michelle's?
OMG, that would be so sad..
:(

Kat

[june1943]

I never thought of that, but you are right.
I guess there was not much sense giving the clothing to her only sister in their weight difference.
I guess purses and shoes and things like that would be more practical, I sure hope they saved a lot of things for C.
I am not sure what this is about though, is someone saying they wanted Michelle's things and did not get them?
Is someone thinking the purse auctioned off on Ebay was once Michelle's?
OMG, that would be so sad..
:(

Kat

It was posted that MF took a truck and collected Michelle's things. Now she may have had Jason's permission I don't know. If it was thought out to get Michelles things lose weight etc would that be called premeditated?

[june1943]

We all have been slammed for our defense of Jason, but so far we appear to be on the right side!!

I wish the I S Boards were open, because this would make an excellent discussion of why the Cooper children were taken from their Dad , and yet with all the horrible things posted about Jason including previous murder attempts , Jason still has custody..

Guess there was no truth to them afterall.
There is no way C would be allowed to reside with Jason if they were.

Score another one for us!!

Kat

Thats about 20 to 0 if I'm keeping score correctly.:biggrin:

[Kat4Eagles]

That's 3 in about a 10 to 15 mile radius. MY, JN and now NC. I don't know about JN not much has been said about her but the other 2 look to be in pretty upscale neighborhoods . BC must be an awful good provider as NC didn't work. Looks like the LE in Cary has pretty much decided BC killed her ,she is saying the neighbor hood is safe and it wasn't a random killing sure sounds familiar doesn't it. If this one isn't solved I think if I lived in that area I would make sure I had an alarm system and a pit bull dog. Naw I would just move. Safer that way. They are saying at Scouts that toward the end of summer there will be an arrest in Michelles case. Wonder why LE is waiting till the end of summer? Didn't make much sense to me. Alot of talk went on about what MF got from Michelle when the house was cleaned out. Got me to thinking that she must have gotten Michelle's clothes and that was why she lost 100 lbs so she could wear them. Any thoughts on that? :)



An arrest at the end of the summer,wow, did they say who was going to be arrested?
Why the end of the summer, what is going to happen then?

This is big, huge.....:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Who's Scott and who are his kids ? Looks like the case hasn't been fully resolved yet, no biggie, murder cases usually do take time. In some cases they are solved immediately, but, not this one. You and Kat don't do normal, everyday patience well at all. You both seem very nervous because there has been no arrest yet, thats odd, this happens everyday in all types of investigations by LE, they follow leads, check out all people involved, they do their job. Most, normal people know this and do not get all up tight about it. LOL Most, normal people...:D

No biggie, as you put it?
You don't think it is a big deal that the person who took Michelle's life in such a horribly, brutal way is still free?
Wow.
These cases do not take this long, you can see where the Cary case is going, you saw how quickly the deaths of the female Marines were solved,and, if its only a matter of time before they catch Michelle's killer, then why not now?
Every one in NC should be nervous, especially those in Enchanted Oaks that a killer is on the loose.
I am not understanding your way of thinking.
:shrug:

Kat

[cougermom]

Cooper also did everything some believe= innocent and look where it got him. He fully cooperated with LE,gave statements,ALLOWED LE to do a search of his home and cars. LE still got search warrants and did exactly what they did to Jason. He helped searched for his wife and appeared at the first news conference.Does it make him innocent? I don`t know yet. I do know he had allowed contact with the grand parents and they now have full custody of the two children. So what some posters deem PC does NOT make a person innocent or guilty. Cooper has now retained a lawyer and LE continues to say he is fully cooperating with them...Does that make him innocent,again I say,I don`t know.
If what the petition for custody says is true then he is a unstable person. It is being reported he has attempted two suicides once in the past year. That is reason enough in my book to give temporary full custody of the children to the grand parents. I don`t think he even contested the petition. I am glad the children are in safe hands.I don`t know what kind of family support Cooper has,I have heard nothing about his extended family.
Jason only has one child and lots of family support and apparently NO history of mental problems. He is so very lucky,raising a child that young is possible but would be very difficult for both Cassidy and Jason.
I also don`t think there is any mental health issues in Jason`s past but I do think on Michelle`s side of the family there has been "rumored" Linda has had issues in the past and we know from Meredith`s on words and her choices in life are certainly unstable. I do NOT believe the court`s would consider giving them custody even IF,again IF, it is proved Jason killed his wife. I personally don`t think that will ever happen.
Something big is different in this Cooper murder then in Michelle's. I will continue to watch and listen before forming a opinion but I am leaning toward guilty . I guess I am a fence sitter at this point. I would like to know more about his family........cm:rose: for all who loved her....:patriot:

[Kat4Eagles]

Cooper also did everything some believe= innocent and look where it got him. He fully cooperated with LE,gave statements,ALLOWED LE to do a search of his home and cars. LE still got search warrants and did exactly what they did to Jason. He helped searched for his wife and appeared at the first news conference.Does it make him innocent? I don`t know yet. I do know he had allowed contact with the grand parents and they now have full custody of the two children. So what some posters deem PC does NOT make a person innocent or guilty. Cooper has now retained a lawyer and LE continues to say he is fully cooperating with them...Does that make him innocent,again I say,I don`t know.
If what the petition for custody says is true then he is a unstable person. It is being reported he has attempted two suicides once in the past year. That is reason enough in my book to give temporary full custody of the children to the grand parents. I don`t think he even contested the petition. I am glad the children are in safe hands.I don`t know what kind of family support Cooper has,I have heard nothing about his extended family.
Jason only has one child and lots of family support and apparently NO history of mental problems. He is so very lucky,raising a child that young is possible but would be very difficult for both Cassidy and Jason.
I also don`t think there is any mental health issues in Jason`s past but I do think on Michelle`s side of the family there has been "rumored" Linda has had issues in the past and we know from Meredith`s on words and her choices in life are certainly unstable. I do NOT believe the court`s would consider giving them custody even IF,again IF, it is proved Jason killed his wife. I personally don`t think that will ever happen.
Something big is different in this Cooper murder then in Michelle's. I will continue to watch and listen before forming a opinion but I am leaning toward guilty . I guess I am a fence sitter at this point. I would like to know more about his family........cm:rose: for all who loved her....:patriot:


Not looking good for Cooper, I don't think.
I think they will get a confession and he did what was best for the kids by giving them temporary custody until they can file for permanent custody.
These murders need to stop..and, I would have to go 99.9 % on this one being guilty.

Now, if they can only find out who killed Michelle.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Back to the Cooper case for a second, it says "because of the intense scrutiny on the husband in the ongoing investigation, the court awarded the grandparents and twin sister temp custody.

I don't get it.

Some feel Jason has been under the same intense scrutiny , and yet he has C.

We discussed this before...apparently, L E does not feel she is or ever has been in any danger, even when they implied she may have been a witness.

Weird. Strange.

Kat

[june1943]

An arrest at the end of the summer,wow, did they say who was going to be arrested?
Why the end of the summer, what is going to happen then?

This is big, huge.....:biggrin:

Kat


I couldn't figure that out either. Why not this spring or even last winter or maybe winter of 2006. Why the end of this summer? I assure you that is what was said. Guess we don't have long to wait. Now it wasn't mentioned who would be arrested , my bet is still on MF. :biggrin:

[cougermom]

Think some of the JDI posters and board owner may be worried right now about a law suit??????????????:patriot:
ETA: remember we own what we write.

[cougermom]

I couldn't figure that out either. Why not this spring or even last winter or maybe winter of 2006. Why the end of this summer? I assure you that is what was said. Guess we don't have long to wait. Now it wasn't mentioned who would be arrested , my bet is still on MF. :biggrin:

I admit she is high on my list......cm

[june1943]

Back to the Cooper case for a second, it says "because of the intense scrutiny on the husband in the ongoing investigation, the court awarded the grandparents and twin sister temp custody.

I don't get it.

Some feel Jason has been under the same intense scrutiny , and yet he has C.

We discussed this before...apparently, L E does not feel she is or ever has been in any danger, even when they implied she may have been a witness.

Weird. Strange.

Kat


The parents filed a civil case for temp. custody. I don't think there is any way in this world LF would ever file for custody of Cassie. She wouldn't want old ghost brought back to haunt.

[june1943]

Think some of the JDI posters and board owner may be worried right now about a law suit??????????????:patriot:
ETA: remember we own what we write.


Its my understanding that a certain attorney's wife in Raleigh has every word ever posted on tape.

[cougermom]

That is cause I respect Gojo and I respect what he posts.
I hope he shows up here.

:)

KatI wish he would come over here also. I looked and he is a active member.I wonder if he knows this?.........cm:patriot:

[cougermom]

The parents filed a civil case for temp. custody. I don't think there is any way in this world LF would ever file for custody of Cassie. She wouldn't want old ghost brought back to haunt.And you can put your money on that and her daughter who would have access to Cassidy. MOO.............cm:patriot:

[cougermom]

How will Jason ever regain his reputation? Some poster went as for as post links to his job and intentionally tried to get him fired,yet they write how much they love Michelle and her daughter.
I followed a link posted at scott`s and it was to a message board of the company Jason works for. Unbelievable the filth that was posted about Jason. I know his lawyers have every posters name and address that posted on his work place and they are in deep poo poo and rightfully so. Jason may never have to work again when his lawyer get through with a few JDI..........MOO cm:biggrin:

[june1943]

Cooper also did everything some believe= innocent and look where it got him. He fully cooperated with LE,gave statements,ALLOWED LE to do a search of his home and cars. LE still got search warrants and did exactly what they did to Jason. He helped searched for his wife and appeared at the first news conference.Does it make him innocent? I don`t know yet. I do know he had allowed contact with the grand parents and they now have full custody of the two children. So what some posters deem PC does NOT make a person innocent or guilty. Cooper has now retained a lawyer and LE continues to say he is fully cooperating with them...Does that make him innocent,again I say,I don`t know.
If what the petition for custody says is true then he is a unstable person. It is being reported he has attempted two suicides once in the past year. That is reason enough in my book to give temporary full custody of the children to the grand parents. I don`t think he even contested the petition. I am glad the children are in safe hands.I don`t know what kind of family support Cooper has,I have heard nothing about his extended family.
Jason only has one child and lots of family support and apparently NO history of mental problems. He is so very lucky,raising a child that young is possible but would be very difficult for both Cassidy and Jason.
I also don`t think there is any mental health issues in Jason`s past but I do think on Michelle`s side of the family there has been "rumored" Linda has had issues in the past and we know from Meredith`s on words and her choices in life are certainly unstable. I do NOT believe the court`s would consider giving them custody even IF,again IF, it is proved Jason killed his wife. I personally don`t think that will ever happen.
Something big is different in this Cooper murder then in Michelle's. I will continue to watch and listen before forming a opinion but I am leaning toward guilty . I guess I am a fence sitter at this point. I would like to know more about his family........cm:rose: for all who loved her....:patriot:
He and his wife both are British subjects. I don't know if the girls are or not. I am guessing they are US citizens since a passport was needed for them to inter Canada. Since when is a passport needed to inter Canada ? Does any one know? I have been there many times and never had a passport. But the news said BC took the kids passports so NC couldn't take them to Canada. The news also said the judge ordered the passports returned so the family could take the girls to Canada. Did 911 make the change where you need a passport to go to Canada?

[Kat4Eagles]

He and his wife both are British subjects. I don't know if the girls are or not. I am guessing they are US citizens since a passport was needed for them to inter Canada. Since when is a passport needed to inter Canada ? Does any one know? I have been there many times and never had a passport. But the news said BC took the kids passports so NC couldn't take them to Canada. The news also said the judge ordered the passports returned so the family could take the girls to Canada. Did 911 make the change where you need a passport to go to Canada?



I am not sure about the passports, but other reasons granted for the decision on the custody are charges that Cooper was unfaithful and that he was emotionally abusive to his wife.

Gosh, where have we read this before, and yet , C stays with Jason.!!!!!!!!!

I think some people need to apologize for telling stories.

If they could have proved for one second all those nasty fights Jason had w/Michelle or how he was sleeping around on her, don't you think the courts would have removed C immediately too.??

But they didn't and 21 months later they still have not, and they have had all this time to prove those rumors true or false.

If even one of those alledged murderous attempts were true, C would be somewhere else with someone else.!!

But she isn't, she is with Jason, where she should be...

And, if LE is in Brevard, it is not for Jason, it was posted that they are for a different reason, a different case....

:)
Is there a gloating icon around anywhere? @@

Kat

[tpw]

He and his wife both are British subjects. I don't know if the girls are or not. I am guessing they are US citizens since a passport was needed for them to inter Canada. Since when is a passport needed to inter Canada ? Does any one know? I have been there many times and never had a passport. But the news said BC took the kids passports so NC couldn't take them to Canada. The news also said the judge ordered the passports returned so the family could take the girls to Canada. Did 911 make the change where you need a passport to go to Canada?


Canadians are not British subjects !!! We are a nation unto ourselves. Sheesh!!The girls in this case would have dual citizenship and would decide which country to be a citizen of when they were 21. Passports have been needed quite a while when flying or sailing into the US. Passports will be needed by June 2009 when making a land entry. However, if you are travelling with children it is advisable to have their passports .

[june1943]

Canadians are not British subjects !!! We are a nation unto ourselves. Sheesh!!The girls in this case would have dual citizenship and would decide which country to be a citizen of when they were 21. Passports have been needed quite a while when flying or sailing into the US. Passports will be needed by June 2009 when making a land entry. However, if you are travelling with children it is advisable to have their passports .

What do I know. I have family in westlock Alberta and they say they are British subjects. Guess they are wrong. I have never flown into Canada always took the RV and drove there. I haven't been since my husband died so I thought maybe things had changed . I knew we never had passports and we always stayed a month when we went. Not just a trip there and back. I used to do that when I was visiting my sister in Michigan drive over get cheap booze pay guards a few bucks and drive back to Dearborn. Who says money doesn't talk the border guards heard it speaking. LOL

[janesdean]

It was posted that MF took a truck and collected Michelle's things. Now she may have had Jason's permission I don't know. If it was thought out to get Michelles things lose weight etc would that be called premeditated?

:rolleyes:

[janesdean]

No biggie, as you put it?
You don't think it is a big deal that the person who took Michelle's life in such a horribly, brutal way is still free?
Wow.
These cases do not take this long, you can see where the Cary case is going, you saw how quickly the deaths of the female Marines were solved,and, if its only a matter of time before they catch Michelle's killer, then why not now?
Every one in NC should be nervous, especially those in Enchanted Oaks that a killer is on the loose.
I am not understanding your way of thinking.
:shrug:

Kat

Yes, I can see you don't understand what I have posted, reading comprehension classes would truly benefit you. You are misrepresenting my posts, (still), I did not ever, EVER say that I don't think it is a "big deal" that whoever killed Michelle is still free. Where do you get this stuff ? What I said was, it is a murder investigation, and it is proceeding exactly like dozens of other murder investigations, this one is moving at a slow pace. Why ? Because the sheriff and other agencies involved in this case are in the process of "SOLVING THIS MURDER "~ THERE IS NO TIME FRAME THAT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO, NO TIMELIMIT, NO SCORING POINTS, NO SCHEDULE THAT LE HAS TO KEEP, AND ABOVE ALL NO, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY DO THEY HAVE TO SATISFY YOU OR YOUR EXPECTATIONS !! LE is investigating a murder, they get tips, they follow up on leads, they are solving the murder of Michelle Young, they are not trying to keep you happy, and I might add, it is so abnormal for you to be so uptight and neurotic about the progress in this case that you have constantly counted off the weeks and months like a parrot, constantly making derogatory remarks about LE and the fact you beleive they are inept. Get off it, just discuss the case and stop with the repetitive questions ( you NEVER acknowledge posters answers anyway, you just ask the same question again later) and disparaging remarks about the law enforcement agency in Wake Co.

[janesdean]

snipped from cougarmoms post:

I also don`t think there is any mental health issues in Jason`s past but I do think on Michelle`s side of the family there has been "rumored" Linda has had issues in the past and we know from Meredith`s on words and her choices in life are certainly unstable. I do NOT believe the court`s would consider giving them custody even IF,again IF, it is proved Jason killed his wife. I personally don`t think that will ever happen.
************************************************** ********

I would be most interested in the location/links for the facts/documentation you have read that give you the right to post such libelous words about Michelle Youngs' (the murder victim here) mother and sister. You state that "rumored" mental health issues in Linda Fishers past will keep her from ever getting custody of Cassidy. You then take the boldest of actions, by using the term "WE" when you libelously post such trash about Meredith Fisher
and YOUR belief that she is "unstable". Where did you get permission to speak for ME, while you slander the VICTIMS' SISTER and MOTHER ??? You are beyond pathetic/disgusting, you are repulsive and you are breaking the terms of service for this board, and the law in the USA.

[janesdean]

Back to the Cooper case for a second, it says "because of the intense scrutiny on the husband in the ongoing investigation, the court awarded the grandparents and twin sister temp custody.

I don't get it.

Some feel Jason has been under the same intense scrutiny , and yet he has C.

We discussed this before...apparently, L E does not feel she is or ever has been in any danger, even when they implied she may have been a witness.

Weird. Strange.

Kat

Cassidy has not been living "with Jason", she has been at his mothers home and his sisters home since Michelle was killed. Do you know for a fact that Jason is actually raising her and not his mom or sister? A long time ago I posted that I thought it was quite possible that the reason Jason keeps living with "mommy" at the age he is, is that it may be a "condition" LE/DCFS has devised to keep Cassidy safe from harm.

[janesdean]

Think some of the JDI posters and board owner may be worried right now about a law suit??????????????:patriot:
ETA: remember we own what we write.

If anyone is worried it should be you, the Fishers may very well be planning a court date for you, libel and slander and punitive damages cost a fortune, especially when they are aimed at the surviving family members of a 29 year old pregnant woman murdered in her home with her 2 year old at her side. Why don't you just get a punching bag you can hit and kick, instead of Kicking Linda Fisher in the stomach all the time with your LIES ?

[janesdean]

The parents filed a civil case for temp. custody. I don't think there is any way in this world LF would ever file for custody of Cassie. She wouldn't want old ghost brought back to haunt.

I am sure you won't mind explaining what you mean by this post ? It will give you yet another opportunity to get on your slander/libel wagon and bash the murdered young mothers' mother Linda Fisher. What are the "old ghosts" Linda Fisher wouldn't want brought back to haunt ? (nightmares of posters like you?)

[janesdean]

And you can put your money on that and her daughter who would have access to Cassidy. MOO.............cm:patriot:

:no: I wonder what you would do if Linda or Meredith Fisher were on a public message board slandering you incessantly like you do them ~

[janesdean]

I have been reading now 2 pages of your posts (you meaning Kat4Eagles, Cougarmom and June1943) and the majority of your ramblings focus on the Cooper murder case, yourselves, JDI bashing, Fisher family bashing and tons of posts on the posters at Scouts' board and Scout herself. This is the Michelle Young murder forum, in case you have lost your way.

[Leanne Weich]

I honestly don't know why people try to compare N Cooper's parents getting temporary custody of her children with the fact that the Fishers don't have custody of Cassidy. To my knowledge, Linda never applied for custody of Cassidy and CPS don't run to any home where a mother has been murdered off their own bat to remove children to a safer environment. Nancy's parents brought a custody application against Brad. It would appear he did not contest the action. 2 totally different situations completely.

[cougermom]

If anyone is worried it should be you, the Fishers may very well be planning a court date for you, libel and slander and punitive damages cost a fortune, especially when they are aimed at the surviving family members of a 29 year old pregnant woman murdered in her home with her 2 year old at her side. Why don't you just get a punching bag you can hit and kick, instead of Kicking Linda Fisher in the stomach all the time with your LIES ?Why don`t you post one lie or libel posted by me. Shut up or put up. Anything I have posted can be back up with her on words. Now can you say the same about Jason????????????? cm:patriot:

ETA: Have a nice fresh cup of coffee with Black Cherry streusel cream, delicious.

[cougermom]

I honestly don't know why people try to compare N Cooper's parents getting temporary custody of her children with the fact that the Fishers don't have custody of Cassidy. To my knowledge, Linda never applied for custody of Cassidy and CPS don't run to any home where a mother has been murdered off their own bat to remove children to a safer environment. Nancy's parents brought a custody application against Brad. It would appear he did not contest the action. 2 totally different situations completely.
What do u know, I agree.:) Apples and oranges as for as the children go. I stated earlier after I heard he had attempted suicide he was 2 unstable to take care of 2 small children. There is no legal reason Cassidy should be removed from Jason. He has great extended family support and no proof he is not a responsible and loving father.
I have not heard anything on Coopers family. I wonder where they are? Maybe he has no family support. I would think that would be a lonely feeling.MOO.........cm:patriot:

[cougermom]

Yes, I can see you don't understand what I have posted, reading comprehension classes would truly benefit you. You are misrepresenting my posts, (still), I did not ever, EVER say that I don't think it is a "big deal" that whoever killed Michelle is still free. Where do you get this stuff ? What I said was, it is a murder investigation, and it is proceeding exactly like dozens of other murder investigations, this one is moving at a slow pace. Why ? Because the sheriff and other agencies involved in this case are in the process of "SOLVING THIS MURDER "~ THERE IS NO TIME FRAME THAT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO, NO TIMELIMIT, NO SCORING POINTS, NO SCHEDULE THAT LE HAS TO KEEP, AND ABOVE ALL NO, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY DO THEY HAVE TO SATISFY YOU OR YOUR EXPECTATIONS !! LE is investigating a murder, they get tips, they follow up on leads, they are solving the murder of Michelle Young, they are not trying to keep you happy, and I might add, it is so abnormal for you to be so uptight and neurotic about the progress in this case that you have constantly counted off the weeks and months like a parrot, constantly making derogatory remarks about LE and the fact you beleive they are inept. Get off it, just discuss the case and stop with the repetitive questions ( you NEVER acknowledge posters answers anyway, you just ask the same question again later) and disparaging remarks about the law enforcement agency in Wake Co.
"janesdean

Replies: 644
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Forum: Michelle Young murder Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:24 am Subject: Case Discussion -- Part XV: March 29 - April 7
I am running out of nics/e-mail addresses for all the damn banning that befalls me lol

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/search.html?search_id=115747865&start=125"
Maybe these kind of posts is why you are running oout nics/e mail. ...............................cm

[cougermom]

snipped from cougarmoms post:

I also don`t think there is any mental health issues in Jason`s past but I do think on Michelle`s side of the family there has been "rumored" Linda has had issues in the past and we know from Meredith`s on words and her choices in life are certainly unstable. I do NOT believe the court`s would consider giving them custody even IF,again IF, it is proved Jason killed his wife. I personally don`t think that will ever happen.
************************************************** ********

I would be most interested in the location/links for the facts/documentation you have read that give you the right to post such libelous words about Michelle Youngs' (the murder victim here) mother and sister. You state that "rumored" mental health issues in Linda Fishers past will keep her from ever getting custody of Cassidy. You then take the boldest of actions, by using the term "WE" when you libelously post such trash about Meredith Fisher
and YOUR belief that she is "unstable". Where did you get permission to speak for ME, while you slander the VICTIMS' SISTER and MOTHER ??? You are beyond pathetic/disgusting, you are repulsive and you are breaking the terms of service for this board, and the law in the USA.
WoW!!! Calm down,you are going to stroke out. My,My,My.....................cm:eek:

[Kat4Eagles]

I honestly don't know why people try to compare N Cooper's parents getting temporary custody of her children with the fact that the Fishers don't have custody of Cassidy. To my knowledge, Linda never applied for custody of Cassidy and CPS don't run to any home where a mother has been murdered off their own bat to remove children to a safer environment. Nancy's parents brought a custody application against Brad. It would appear he did not contest the action. 2 totally different situations completely.


Then you have not followed the Board , as it has been posted that Jason was also emotionally abusive to Michelle and that he cheated on her on a regular basis...
Of course, none of this was true.......

Because if it was , the courts certainly would have also removed C from his custody, and even more so, if they thought she was a witness and he was the killer.

There would be no exception in one case over another, the same rules would apply if any children were believed to be in danger...

The fact that Jason continues to raise C on a daily basis has always been a plus for me in deciding his guilt or innocence..

It is an issue I have questioned in the past.

Even more so, now, with the Cooper case.

Or OJ Simpson who was in jail and not allowed to raise his children until he was found not guilty.

I think this speaks very well for Jason..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

WoW!!! Calm down,you are going to stroke out. My,My,My.....................cm:eek:


I can not even understand the ranting and ramblings.
I call them "skip over" posts...
Although, I will say I think LE is doing a great job, we have no idea what they are working with..
:)
Kat

[RosaryBeads]

Then you have not followed the Board , as it has been posted that Jason was also emotionally abusive to Michelle and that he cheated on her on a regular basis...
Of course, none of this was true.......

Because if it was , the courts certainly would have also removed C from his custody, and even more so, if they thought she was a witness and he was the killer.

There would be no exception in one case over another, the same rules would apply if any children were believed to be in danger...

The fact that Jason continues to raise C on a daily basis has always been a plus for me in deciding his guilt or innocence..

It is an issue I have questioned in the past.

Even more so, now, with the Cooper case.

Or OJ Simpson who was in jail and not allowed to raise his children until he was found not guilty.

I think this speaks very well for Jason..

Kat

Once again, you fail to take notice of the most important factor in Nancy Cooper's family gaining custody of their grandchildren/nieces. Brad Cooper is unstable. He not only attempted suicide as a teen, he also threatened to commit suicide earlier this year. Pay attention - it won't cost you any of your hard earned boardwalk money.

Now, then, back to the purpose of this thread, and sorry for the O/T. Link to this FACT you posted about Jason:

Kat said:

The fact that Jason continues to raise C on a daily basis has always been a plus for me in deciding his guilt or innocence..

I want a link, and I want one now.

[cougermom]

I see a thread has been started on Nancy Cooper in open discussion. I do wish it could be moved over hear since it a on going murder investigation and more people could see it..MOO.......cm:patriot:

[zed]

Kat, the courts did not remove Nancy Cooper's children, her parents and sister swooped in with an ex parte order requesting custody of the children. Brad did not have legal representation during the hearing. It was an excellent legal move, one that apparently was not considered during the time of Michelle's murder. I don't think you can draw any conclusions about the guilt or innocence of either Brad or Jason based on the decisions made by Nancy Cooper's family.

June, Canadians are not British subjects. Your family in Westlock are very confused people if they think they are British because they live in Alberta. Alberta is not across the border from Michigan, Canada had cheap pharmaceuticals not cheap booze, and bribing customs officers is a good way to get arrested. Are you sure you weren't closer to the Mexican border?

[june1943]

I am sure you won't mind explaining what you mean by this post ? It will give you yet another opportunity to get on your slander/libel wagon and bash the murdered young mothers' mother Linda Fisher. What are the "old ghosts" Linda Fisher wouldn't want brought back to haunt ? (nightmares of posters like you?)


I don't need to tell you a thing . LF knows full well what ghosts are there. You don't see her running her mouth in public about Jason do you. That was stopped the day Michelle was buried. She didn't want certain facts released to the press.

[cougermom]

RosaryBeads WROTE:" want a link, and I want one now."
Who died and left you in charge?...................cm:patriot:

[RosaryBeads]

I don't need to tell you a thing . LF knows full well what ghosts are there. You don't see her running her mouth in public about Jason do you. That was stopped the day Michelle was buried. She didn't want certain facts released to the press.

And yet you claim she said Jason murdered Michelle at Michelle's funeral. Which is it? She runs her mouth in public, or she doesn't?

[RosaryBeads]

RosaryBeads WROTE:" want a link, and I want one now."
Who died and left you in charge?...................cm:patriot:


Yes, bow down, the beautiful Beads is in your presence. Now where's that link, Kat?

[cougermom]

I don't need to tell you a thing . LF knows full well what ghosts are there. You don't see her running her mouth in public about Jason do you. That was stopped the day Michelle was buried. She didn't want certain facts released to the press.Maybe Linda knows Jason is innocent. She know Meredith better then any of us and she doesn`t want her name in the news. This is what happens when you have "ghosts" in the closet. If the news started digging they would,well you know how the tabloids and 24/7 cable news love`s stories with a little spice 2 them.I am going to guess there was NOTHING to the"alleged affair between Money and Jason or this would have been another Scott Peterson story. Nothing to keep the public`s interest on a national news level. NO SEX,because SEX + murder stories sell. MOO..........cm:patriot:

[RosaryBeads]

Maybe Linda knows Jason is innocent. She know Meredith better then any of us and she doesn`t want her name in the news. This is what happens when you have "ghosts" in the closet. If the news started digging they would,well you know how the tabloids and 24/7 cable news love`s stories with a little spice 2 them.I am going to guess there was NOTHING to the"alleged affair between Money and Jason or this would have been another Scott Peterson story. Nothing to keep the public`s interest on a national news level. NO SEX,because SEX + murder stories sell. MOO..........cm:patriot:

I'm going to guess there is nothing to these "ghosts" (whatever happened to skeletons) in the closet, or cable news would have spread the word. On the other hand, there is, and was, information that confirmed the affair between Jason Young and Michelle Money. Sadly, all those links were "misplaced" during a spring cleaning, along with thousands of posts.

[zed]

I don't need to tell you a thing . LF knows full well what ghosts are there. You don't see her running her mouth in public about Jason do you. That was stopped the day Michelle was buried. She didn't want certain facts released to the press.

Seems to me that if we use your logic is trying to figure out who murdered Nancy Cooper, it should be the man that found her. Maybe his mom has ghosts too.

[june1943]

Kat, the courts did not remove Nancy Cooper's children, her parents and sister swooped in with an ex parte order requesting custody of the children. Brad did not have legal representation during the hearing. It was an excellent legal move, one that apparently was not considered during the time of Michelle's murder. I don't think you can draw any conclusions about the guilt or innocence of either Brad or Jason based on the decisions made by Nancy Cooper's family.

June, Canadians are not British subjects. Your family in Westlock are very confused people if they think they are British because they live in Alberta. Alberta is not across the border from Michigan, Canada had cheap pharmaceuticals not cheap booze, and bribing customs officers is a good way to get arrested. Are you sure you weren't closer to the Mexican border?


Learn to comprehend . I said I used to make day trips across to buy cheap booze and it was cheaper than Michigan. It was Windsor I went to ,I always has lunch at a restaurant that for the life of me I cant remember. Prince something I think. My sister is no longer living so it will probably remain a mystery forever. Is there a stature of limitation on prosecution for bribery? Does it span 40 years? Canadians used to be British Subjects My people in Canada as you put them started out British Subjects and many of their ancestors were for many years. Is Mexico near Dearborn? You need a globe. Now please stop this silly picking on me and tell me which story do you think MF will tell if this thing ever gets to trial? There have been so many.

[june1943]

Seems to me that if we use your logic is trying to figure out who murdered Nancy Cooper, it should be the man that found her. Maybe his mom has ghosts too.

Zed are you ok? Your posts aren't making any sense today. Oh wait they never do.

[june1943]

I'm going to guess there is nothing to these "ghosts" (whatever happened to skeletons) in the closet, or cable news would have spread the word. On the other hand, there is, and was, information that confirmed the affair between Jason Young and Michelle Money. Sadly, all those links were "misplaced" during a spring cleaning, along with thousands of posts.


You are confusing information with gossip. There was gossip about Jason and MM. There are court documents of LF's ghosts.

[june1943]

And yet you claim she said Jason murdered Michelle at Michelle's funeral. Which is it? She runs her mouth in public, or she doesn't?


What you missed was the sentence that said that stopped the day Michelle was buried. She was told and she believed.

[RosaryBeads]

...snip...and tell me which story do you think MF will tell if this thing ever gets to trial? There have been so many.

I'd like a link to these "so many" stories that Meredith has told. Who has she spoken to? When did she tell multiple stories? What were the stories concerning? Where did she tell these stories? Were they stories she told to Cassidy about her beloved sister? Where they bedtime stories? I don't think a trial judge would be interested in something like that. So, do tell, what stories has Meredith told, and what were these stories about?

[RosaryBeads]

You are confusing information with gossip. There was gossip about Jason and MM. There are court documents of LF's ghosts.

Reading comprehension was never one of your strong suits. The posts have been deleted, the links have been poofed.

Now, provide a link to LF's ghosts or drop the topic.

[RosaryBeads]

What you missed was the sentence that said that stopped the day Michelle was buried. She was told and she believed.

She was told what & she believed what? Link to what she was told and what she believed.

[zed]

Learn to comprehend . I said I used to make day trips across to buy cheap booze and it was cheaper than Michigan. It was Windsor I went to ,I always has lunch at a restaurant that for the life of me I cant remember. Prince something I think. My sister is no longer living so it will probably remain a mystery forever. Is there a stature of limitation on prosecution for bribery? Does it span 40 years? Canadians used to be British Subjects My people in Canada as you put them started out British Subjects and many of their ancestors were for many years. Is Mexico near Dearborn? You need a globe. Now please stop this silly picking on me and tell me which story do you think MF will tell if this thing ever gets to trial? There have been so many.

Meredith has only one story to tell. It will be similar to the story told by the man that found Nancy Cooper's body. It is not a crime to find a murdered person.

[zed]

Zed are you ok? Your posts aren't making any sense today. Oh wait they never do.

Don't be silly. I'm not the one discussing statures of limitation.
from your post:
"Is there a stature of limitation on prosecution for bribery?"

[zed]

Reading comprehension was never one of your strong suits. The posts have been deleted, the links have been poofed.

Now, provide a link to LF's ghosts or drop the topic.

The ghost discussion makes absolutely no sense. Maybe June has a ghostbuster friend that needs a job?

[RosaryBeads]

Don't be silly. I'm not the one discussing statures of limitation.
from your post:
"Is there a stature of limitation on prosecution for bribery?"

Only if it is "inter"red in Canada. :shrug:

[zed]

Only if it is "inter"red in Canada. :shrug:

Not sure what to think, but it appears that someone is trying to re-write history with funny English.

[june1943]

She was told what & she believed what? Link to what she was told and what she believed.


In your post right above this one you said drop the subject ,well do you want to drop it or not. I might be able to persuade someone I know to give me permission to show one of those ghost stories in writing.

[june1943]

Meredith has only one story to tell. It will be similar to the story told by the man that found Nancy Cooper's body. It is not a crime to find a murdered person.


Now Zed ,go listen to the 911 call again. MF didn't know anything. At least that is what she said about a dozen times. I don't know, I don't know. Oh wait the house didn't look like it usually did. There wasn't usually blood and teeth and brains laying around. Maybe Mommy fell. Darn the dog was barking. So what will she say if this ever gets to court. I bets it I don't know.

[june1943]

Only if it is "inter"red in Canada. :shrug:



Now you are a spelling cop. Good job for you .

[june1943]

Don't be silly. I'm not the one discussing statures of limitation.
from your post:
"Is there a stature of limitation on prosecution for bribery?"

Zed , I didn't realize you started this . This is beneath you. statute ,happy now?

[Kat4Eagles]

Once again, you fail to take notice of the most important factor in Nancy Cooper's family gaining custody of their grandchildren/nieces. Brad Cooper is unstable. He not only attempted suicide as a teen, he also threatened to commit suicide earlier this year. Pay attention - it won't cost you any of your hard earned boardwalk money.

Now, then, back to the purpose of this thread, and sorry for the O/T. Link to this FACT you posted about Jason:

Kat said:

The fact that Jason continues to raise C on a daily basis has always been a plus for me in deciding his guilt or innocence..

I want a link, and I want one now.



and Kat continues to say...:

So, it would be perfectly okay to turn over a child to someone LE suspects murdered her Mom, without any worries or care for her safety.

Someone who may have even witnessed the actual crime happening..

Many articles have stated that Jason and C have moved back to Brevard, why would you even think they were not together..? They are..

There are also many stories of Jason being a good Dad, before and after the murder...

I guess those therapist notes did not reveal anything that would make Jason lose custody of C, did they?

I wonder if it wasn't the Fishers who wanted the therapist to come forward, hoping there was something bad about Jason.....so, they could get C...

Also, why didn't the Fishers try to file an emergency hearing to get C?
Why let her live with someone you think killed her Mom?

So, basically with all the made up stories about Jason that the JDI's came to the Board with , yet the court continues to let Jason have C...

I guess the courts found them to be made up too..

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

"janesdean

Replies: 644
Views: 17571
Forum: Michelle Young murder Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:24 am Subject: Case Discussion -- Part XV: March 29 - April 7
I am running out of nics/e-mail addresses for all the damn banning that befalls me lol

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/search.html?search_id=115747865&start=125"
Maybe these kind of posts is why you are running oout nics/e mail. ...............................cm



This is JanesDean doing this??
Wow.

Kat

[RosaryBeads]

In your post right above this one you said drop the subject ,well do you want to drop it or not. I might be able to persuade someone I know to give me permission to show one of those ghost stories in writing.


Please don't twist my request. I asked for a link to the ghost stories or drop the subject. Apparently you can't provide a link, so I guess it will be dropped. Your "pawnshop" information would be nothing more than rumor, and there are more than enough of those coming from the JI² camp to last a lifetime.

[RosaryBeads]

snipped for relevance
Kat

And Kat still supplies no links to her FACTS. go figure :shrug:

[zed]

Now Zed ,go listen to the 911 call again. MF didn't know anything. At least that is what she said about a dozen times. I don't know, I don't know. Oh wait the house didn't look like it usually did. There wasn't usually blood and teeth and brains laying around. Maybe Mommy fell. Darn the dog was barking. So what will she say if this ever gets to court. I bets it I don't know.

How Meredith reported the crime is irrelevant to the crime. She came upon the murder while doing a favour for her brother in law. Her story has been told to the police, and that information has not been made public. No one is in any position to commit on whether that information has changed.

Meredith reported the crime, and that is not a crime.

[zed]

and Kat continues to say...:

So, it would be perfectly okay to turn over a child to someone LE suspects murdered her Mom, without any worries or care for her safety.

Someone who may have even witnessed the actual crime happening..

Many articles have stated that Jason and C have moved back to Brevard, why would you even think they were not together..? They are..

There are also many stories of Jason being a good Dad, before and after the murder...

I guess those therapist notes did not reveal anything that would make Jason lose custody of C, did they?

I wonder if it wasn't the Fishers who wanted the therapist to come forward, hoping there was something bad about Jason.....so, they could get C...

Also, why didn't the Fishers try to file an emergency hearing to get C?
Why let her live with someone you think killed her Mom?

So, basically with all the made up stories about Jason that the JDI's came to the Board with , yet the court continues to let Jason have C...

I guess the courts found them to be made up too..

:biggrin:

Kat

Feel free to guess, but there are plenty of facts if you want to rely on those.

[RosaryBeads]

Feel free to guess, but there are plenty of facts if you want to rely on those.

Must be a slow night on the corner. ;)

[Kat4Eagles]

Feel free to guess, but there are plenty of facts if you want to rely on those.


The facts have not brought about an arrest of anyone though, have they?

And, there are very few facts to begin with....

The discussion about the Cooper-Young comparison is that Jason still has his child, Cooper does not,
The court found enough evidence to remove Cooper's children, for whatever reasons.
The court could have also been petitioned in C's case, they either were not, or the petition was denied..

You don't think if there was something so bad or evil in the therapist's notes, someone would not have tried to take C away?
That someone would not have acted on her behalf?

There are people here who want to take everything away from Jason, why not the child he loves most??

:shrug:

Kat

[zed]

The facts have not brought about an arrest of anyone though, have they?

And, there are very few facts to begin with....

The discussion about the Cooper-Young comparison is that Jason still has his child, Cooper does not,
The court found enough evidence to remove Cooper's children, for whatever reasons.
The court could have also been petitioned in C's case, they either were not, or the petition was denied..

You don't think if there was something so bad or evil in the therapist's notes, someone would not have tried to take C away?
That someone would not have acted on her behalf?

There are people here who want to take everything away from Jason, why not the child he loves most??

:shrug:

Kat

The fact that you seem to be overlooking is that Nancy Cooper's family submitted an ex parte request for custody. Brad has yet to tell his side of the story. It was a clever move. That move was not made in Michelle Young's case, so you can't assume anything about Cassidy's custody.

I think you are correct in seeing similarities between Michelle's and Nancy's murders, as there are many. The actions of Nancy's family to not imply anything about Jason's situation.

I fail to see how you conclude anything about Jason Young based on an ex parte decision made in Brad Cooper's case. If you continue with the parallels has you have, then naturally you will assume that the man that found Nancy is guilty, or would you prefer to accuse Nancy's sister?

[Kat4Eagles]

The fact that you seem to be overlooking is that Nancy Cooper's family submitted an ex parte request for custody. Brad has yet to tell his side of the story. It was a clever move. That move was not made in Michelle Young's case, so you can't assume anything about Cassidy's custody.

I think you are correct in seeing similarities between Michelle's and Nancy's murders, as there are many. The actions of Nancy's family to not imply anything about Jason's situation.

I fail to see how you conclude anything about Jason Young based on an ex parte decision made in Brad Cooper's case. If you continue with the parallels has you have, then naturally you will assume that the man that found Nancy is guilty, or would you prefer to accuse Nancy's sister?


Coldwater just re~opened the In Session Boards.
Kat

[zed]

Coldwater just re~opened the In Session Boards.
Kat
That's ever so interesting. I suppose that's good news all round, as I'm sure she's eagerly awaiting all the usual complaints.

[janesdean]

WoW!!! Calm down,you are going to stroke out. My,My,My.....................cm:eek:

Oh, ok, sure I am :biggrin:

[cougermom]

This is JanesDean doing this??
Wow.

Katyep and laughing about it. Maybe with the new security system at IS IP #`s can now be blocked. That will sure help solve some of CW`s problems. ........................................cm:patriot :

[aykaie]

The facts have not brought about an arrest of anyone though, have they?

And, there are very few facts to begin with....

The discussion about the Cooper-Young comparison is that Jason still has his child, Cooper does not,
The court found enough evidence to remove Cooper's children, for whatever reasons.
The court could have also been petitioned in C's case, they either were not, or the petition was denied..

You don't think if there was something so bad or evil in the therapist's notes, someone would not have tried to take C away?
That someone would not have acted on her behalf?

There are people here who want to take everything away from Jason, why not the child he loves most??

:shrug:

Kat

I responded to a similar post by you last night. I see MOST of my posts are gone.

The two cases are entirely different. Cooper was suicidal and had psycholocial issues. Despite rumors, there have been no facts posted that Jason Young was either suicidal or had mental issues.

[janesdean]

yep and laughing about it. Maybe with the new security system at IS IP #`s can now be blocked. That will sure help solve some of CW`s problems. ........................................cm:patriot :

What CW would undoubtedly enjoy would be for you trolls to stop baiting the normal, concerned posters and then whining, crying to her every hour on the hour that you got your little feelings hurt. :biggrin:

[janesdean]

Coldwater just re~opened the In Session Boards.
Kat

Awwww, does this mean you have to go now ? :beer:

[janesdean]

Why don`t you post one lie or libel posted by me. Shut up or put up. Anything I have posted can be back up with her on words. Now can you say the same about Jason????????????? cm:patriot:

ETA: Have a nice fresh cup of coffee with Black Cherry streusel cream, delicious.

Feeling a little tense there are ya ? Not sure what you mean in that tirade but, it sounds like you could use a little refresher course on the English language and its uses in society. And no, I can't say that about Jason, he hasn't posted a single word that I have found...jus sayin :seeya:

[janesdean]

Then you have not followed the Board , as it has been posted that Jason was also emotionally abusive to Michelle and that he cheated on her on a regular basis...
Of course, none of this was true.......

Because if it was , the courts certainly would have also removed C from his custody, and even more so, if they thought she was a witness and he was the killer.

There would be no exception in one case over another, the same rules would apply if any children were believed to be in danger...

The fact that Jason continues to raise C on a daily basis has always been a plus for me in deciding his guilt or innocence..

It is an issue I have questioned in the past.

Even more so, now, with the Cooper case.

Or OJ Simpson who was in jail and not allowed to raise his children until he was found not guilty.

I think this speaks very well for Jason..

Kat

All that has been reported so far is that Jason lives with relatives with Cassidy. That could mean, the only way LE feels he can live with Cassidy safely, is for him to have other family members in that household with him. He definitely has NOT been living anywhere ALONE with Cassidy since the murder.
There may be a blaring message there, imo. Are you comparing Jason with the suspected murderer Cooper, and OJ Simpson, who was obviously the perp in the Nicole Brown Simpson/Ron Goldman murder ? Skeeeery thought !! And, it kinda contradicts your wail that Jason Young is innocent in the murder of his wife Michelle Young and his unborn son Rylan.

[zed]

I responded to a similar post by you last night. I see MOST of my posts are gone.

The two cases are entirely different. Cooper was suicidal and had psycholocial issues. Despite rumors, there have been no facts posted that Jason Young was either suicidal or had mental issues.

Several people have responded to Kat's gloating comment, but the discussion doesn't seem to go anywhere. Kat reposts about gloating and leaves it at that.

Regarding the point of discussion, there are many reasons why we should not draw conclusions about one case based on the circumstances of another. I think most of us see the differences, but others are looking for reasons to draw conclusions where there are none.

As I've mentioned, if we want to draw parallels between the cases of Michelle Young and Nancy Cooper, then we cannot pick and choose which parallels to accept or reject. If it is argued that Nancy's parents have custody, therefore Brad may be guilty, and Michelle's parents don't have custody, therefore Jason may be innocent, then we have to accept all possible parallels between the cases.

Specifically, those that argue that custody implies guilt or innocence also argue that the person who found the body is guilty. If we accept that there are parallels, then we should also conclude that the man who found Nancy is likewise guilty. We know that isn't true, therefore we know that parallels are not justification for drawing conclusions, and so we know that custody issues in one murder case imply nothing about guilt or innocence in another case.

Kat can continue to repost her gloating remark, but it doesn't make it true or logical.

[aykaie]

Several people have responded to Kat's gloating comment, but the discussion doesn't seem to go anywhere. Kat reposts about gloating and leaves it at that.

Regarding the point of discussion, there are many reasons why we should not draw conclusions about one case based on the circumstances of another. I think most of us see the differences, but others are looking for reasons to draw conclusions where there are none.

As I've mentioned, if we want to draw parallels between the cases of Michelle Young and Nancy Cooper, then we cannot pick and choose which parallels to accept or reject. If it is argued that Nancy's parents have custody, therefore Brad may be guilty, and Michelle's parents don't have custody, therefore Jason may be innocent, then we have to accept all possible parallels between the cases.

Specifically, those that argue that custody implies guilt or innocence also argue that the person who found the body is guilty. If we accept that there are parallels, then we should also conclude that the man who found Nancy is likewise guilty. We know that isn't true, therefore we know that parallels are not justification for drawing conclusions, and so we know that custody issues in one murder case imply nothing about guilt or innocence in another case.

Kat can continue to repost her gloating remark, but it doesn't make it true or logical.


Your post is quite similar to my "missing post".

I won't bother posting anything more as it will only be deleted anyway.

[zed]

Your post is quite similar to my "missing post".

I won't bother posting anything more as it will only be deleted anyway.

I think it's probably safe to post again. The people that regularly complain are happy that IS is open again, so it's not too likely that they'll come back and bother anyone because they don't approve of someone's position.

[janesdean]

Your post is quite similar to my "missing post".

I won't bother posting anything more as it will only be deleted anyway.

Ya, thats how the trolls operate, anything that even hints at the truth or doesn't show Jason in a positive light usually gets them running, whining to the moderator, a lowlife, underhanded means to their end. Don't let em control this board with their miserable antics, just put em in their place and we can continue on here.

[cougermom]

Feeling a little tense there are ya ? Not sure what you mean in that tirade but, it sounds like you could use a little refresher course on the English language and its uses in society. And no, I can't say that about Jason, he hasn't posted a single word that I have found...jus sayin :seeya:Comprehension problem?????? Sorry can`t help you with that problem....................cm:patriot:

[janesdean]

And Kat still supplies no links to her FACTS. go figure :shrug:

Ya, I am sure she finds it next to impossible to find links to her idiotic theories. She prolly dreams em and thinks she read it somewhere.:biggrin:

[janesdean]

Comprehension problem?????? Sorry can`t help you with that problem....................cm:patriot:

Sorry you still can't quite comprehend what you read, but cmon, no need to apologize, everyone here is quite aware of your shortcomings/illiteracy. And seriously, I fully understand that you have no ability to help anyone with comprehension problems, it's evident in everything you post. LOL :biggrin:

[cougermom]

Ya, thats how the trolls operate, anything that even hints at the truth or doesn't show Jason in a positive light usually gets them running, whining to the moderator, a lowlife, underhanded means to their end. Don't let em control this board with their miserable antics, just put em in their place and we can continue on here.

and........just where is our place in your opinion...?Sarcasm does NOT = education,it means you can NOT discuss difference in opinions. You need to stick with the children at scotts.LOL..................cm:patriot:

[janesdean]

Why don`t you post one lie or libel posted by me. Shut up or put up. Anything I have posted can be back up with her on words. Now can you say the same about Jason????????????? cm:patriot:

ETA: Have a nice fresh cup of coffee with Black Cherry streusel cream, delicious.

Let's see, should I start with the libelous lies you posted at Refugees Unleashed, Bonnies or IS ?:rolleyes:

[janesdean]

and........just where is our place in your opinion...?Sarcasm does NOT = education,it means you can NOT discuss difference in opinions. You need to stick with the children at scotts.LOL..................cm:patriot:

Your posts do not reflect a difference in opinion, you basically post attempts at starting arguments. I really have way to much happening to waste my Saturday trying to help you understand what you are reading or to help you fill long lonely hours in your sad world. Maybe if you went down to the seniors center in your area, you might find someone who could listen to your empty thoughts, but it ain't me, so ... Later !
:seeya:

[cougermom]

Let's see, should I start with the libelous lies you posted at Refugees Unleashed, Bonnies or IS ?:rolleyes:You can start anywhere you can find a lie. That should be a nice challenge to keep you busy for a while.........................cm:patriot:

[cougermom]

Your posts do not reflect a difference in opinion, you basically post attempts at starting arguments. I really have way to much happening to waste my Saturday trying to help you understand what you are reading or to help you fill long lonely hours in your sad world. Maybe if you went down to the seniors center in your area, you might find someone who could listen to your empty thoughts, but it ain't me, so ... Later !
:seeya::seeya:...........cm:patriot:

[zed]

and........just where is our place in your opinion...?Sarcasm does NOT = education,it means you can NOT discuss difference in opinions. You need to stick with the children at scotts.LOL..................cm:patriot:

I've seen a couple of references to Scott's children. Could you please enlighten me on what that means? Scott Peterson didn't have any live births, and I'm not sure about another Scott that is common in discussions.

Thanks

[june1943]

Cassidy has not been living "with Jason", she has been at his mothers home and his sisters home since Michelle was killed. Do you know for a fact that Jason is actually raising her and not his mom or sister? A long time ago I posted that I thought it was quite possible that the reason Jason keeps living with "mommy" at the age he is, is that it may be a "condition" LE/DCFS has devised to keep Cassidy safe from harm.

I can't see what you would be basing this on. LE says they haven't named a POI or a suspect so how could they put restrictions on where Jason takes Cassie. Cassie is living with her father and they are living with his mother. Maybe now that the house has sold it will free up enough money for him to get an apartment ,but I don't see where he lives as being a part of the big picture of who killed Michelle.

[cougermom]

I can't see what you would be basing this on. LE says they haven't named a POI or a suspect so how could they put restrictions on where Jason takes Cassie. Cassie is living with her father and they are living with his mother. Maybe now that the house has sold it will free up enough money for him to get an apartment ,but I don't see where he lives as being a part of the big picture of who killed Michelle.
June,I don`t think money has anything to do with Jason moving out. I think IMO and personal experience with a son and his young two year old daughter,his family is encouraged him to stay with family.Cassidy has lost a mother and she needs all the emotional support her extended family can give. Why should he and Cassidy live alone when he has family that welcomes them in their home? Why should Jason and his family care about public opinions? I doubt they do, up to this point they have done things their way and damn the public,I say good for them.......
It took 10 months and thousands of dollars for my son, to get custody of his then 13 month old daughter from his now ex wife,who by the way is a 2nd grade school teacher.Now this EDUCATED mother did not want to pay child support so she give up ALL parents rights to avoid it. This may explain why education does NOT impress me unless that educated person has decency and love inside of them. I guess this also proves all men don`t murder their wives and turns to the judicial system and does it, Lady Justice`s way. There is always,2 sides to every story,you just have to have an open mind. My son and his beautiful little 27 month old daughter, my first g-daughter, now lives with me. He is NOT doing it for himself or me,he is doing what is best for this innocent child right now. One day he will remarry and have a home with a male and female who together will make another home for her. The point I am trying to make is that life is NOT always about the adults,it is about our children,who have yet had the chance to grow up, they are who are "important". I personally admire all the, Young family for the love and support they continue to give to this father and daughter, I certainly admire and respect my son for his dedication to raise his daughter and the personal sacrifices he has made to make sure this beautiful child is raised to have the same opportunities in life he had. Life will be a little harder because even with ALL the loves and attention she gets from all her fathers family she will never know the love of a mother, but her aunt`s,uncle`s cousin`s will all make sure her little soul will know she is special and feels secure.Her father will raise her to be a secure person that knows how to love and yes, for now he will do it living with his Mom. So sometimes it`s not about the "almighty dollar" it is is a matter of what is best for a child. Again,I am sure it is a huge sacrifice on his personal life but his daughter is what is important right now in his life. Parents who love their children know personal sacrifice`s are often made in the name of love for their children.Some people need to wake up and smell the roses and appreciate the wonderful gifts God has blessed each of us with, "CHILDREN". I assume you know if the court`s give full custody to my son, he is a decent man with a good income and a proven record of being a very responsible man and a very DETERMINED man to be a father. Now I will set aside my personal feeling and experience`s that I doubt many of you have a clue about.
If any of the Young`s are reading,GOD BLESS YOU.......................cm

[cougermom]

I see over at scott`s board the JDI are getting mighty restless and seems to me to be turning their frustration on the DA of Wake County. Even our favorite poster and insider,RPD, is thinking well, just maybe, they don`t have the "goods" on Jason and fears that if there is no smoking guns by now there are none.
I personally think the JDI would be very happy for Cassidy and "MICHELLE". I can`t imagine in my wildest dreams,the last face to see on earth is the person you loved,killing you. I strongly believe Jason Young is innocent.....cm:patriot:

[june1943]

June,I don`t think money has anything to do with Jason moving out. I think IMO and personal experience with a son and his young two year old daughter,his family is encouraged him to stay with family.Cassidy has lost a mother and she needs all the emotional support her extended family can give. Why should he and Cassidy live alone when he has family that welcomes them in their home? Why should Jason and his family care about public opinions? I doubt they do, up to this point they have done things their way and damn the public,I say good for them.......
It took 10 months and thousands of dollars for my son, to get custody of his then 13 month old daughter from his now ex wife,who by the way is a 2nd grade school teacher.Now this EDUCATED mother did not want to pay child support so she give up ALL parents rights to avoid it. This may explain why education does NOT impress me unless that educated person has decency and love inside of them. I guess this also proves all men don`t murder their wives and turns to the judicial system and does it, Lady Justice`s way. There is always,2 sides to every story,you just have to have an open mind. My son and his beautiful little 27 month old daughter, my first g-daughter, now lives with me. He is NOT doing it for himself or me,he is doing what is best for this innocent child right now. One day he will remarry and have a home with a male and female who together will make another home for her. The point I am trying to make is that life is NOT always about the adults,it is about our children,who have yet had the chance to grow up, they are who are "important". I personally admire all the, Young family for the love and support they continue to give to this father and daughter, I certainly admire and respect my son for his dedication to raise his daughter and the personal sacrifices he has made to make sure this beautiful child is raised to have the same opportunities in life he had. Life will be a little harder because even with ALL the loves and attention she gets from all her fathers family she will never know the love of a mother, but her aunt`s,uncle`s cousin`s will all make sure her little soul will know she is special and feels secure.Her father will raise her to be a secure person that knows how to love and yes, for now he will do it living with his Mom. So sometimes it`s not about the "almighty dollar" it is is a matter of what is best for a child. Again,I am sure it is a huge sacrifice on his personal life but his daughter is what is important right now in his life. Parents who love their children know personal sacrifice`s are often made in the name of love for their children.Some people need to wake up and smell the roses and appreciate the wonderful gifts God has blessed each of us with, "CHILDREN". I assume you know if the court`s give full custody to my son, he is a decent man with a good income and a proven record of being a very responsible man and a very DETERMINED man to be a father. Now I will set aside my personal feeling and experience`s that I doubt many of you have a clue about.
If any of the Young`s are reading,GOD BLESS YOU.......................cm

I agree with everything you have said and would like to add that when your ex daughter-in-law gave up her parental rights she did the best thing for your little granddaughter that could ever have been done. Money isn't every thing and now your granddaughter won't ever have to be under the influence of a heartless woman. God Bless your son for standing up and fighting for his little Angel.

[june1943]

I see over at scott`s board the JDI are getting mighty restless and seems to me to be turning their frustration on the DA of Wake County. Even our favorite poster and insider,RPD, is thinking well, just maybe, they don`t have the "goods" on Jason and fears that if there is no smoking guns by now there are none.
I personally think the JDI would be very happy for Cassidy and "MICHELLE". I can`t imagine in my wildest dreams,the last face to see on earth is the person you loved,killing you. I strongly believe Jason Young is innocent.....cm:patriot:


I saw that ,also. Isn't RPD the one that promised an arrest by summers end? He always leaves a hole he can crawl out of ,he didn't say who would be arrested.

[cougermom]

I saw that ,also. Isn't RPD the one that promised an arrest by summers end? He always leaves a hole he can crawl out of ,he didn't say who would be arrested.TY for the response to my posting,I see so many people placing emphasis on someone punctuation and spelling. I strongly believe in a higher education but don`t for a minute think it takes the place for common sense or makes you better then someone else. I also got tired of ALL the man bashing.
I don`t understand for a minute why the JDI puts so much into their friends BS, and it has turned
out to be just that. He makes phone calls and posts names like he is important.I believe he has the "little man syndrome".He knows nothing the public doesn`t know. I bet he has become a joke with LE and yet the JDI eats up every little thing he say as if they had not had a meal in days.
It goes back to alibi, LE can`t put Jason at the scene of the crime. Hopefully they are now looking at others,including old boy friends she may have run into while in NY........cougermom :patriot:

[janesdean]

Hi, I was hoping there would be some discussion going on in here about Michelle, but I see it's been quiet for some time. Well, I'll check back in a few and see if anyone wants to discuss the case.

[Twinners]

Seems like some new info is being released on this case.

Aug 12, 2008
Judge lets warrants stay sealed in Young slaying

The affidavits, signed by Judge Donald Stephens on Friday, allow sheriff's deputies to keep secret evidence they may have seized from residences in Transylvania and Henderson counties, where Jason Young, the husband of the slain woman, has been living since her death. On Feb. 13, sheriff's investigators searched the home of Jason Young's mother on Mockingbird Lane in Brevard and another relative's home on Timberlane Drive in Etowah.

Sheriff's investigators requested that the warrants be sealed because they think public release of the information in them might hinder their investigation, according to the affidavit.

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Early in the investigation, Wake Sheriff Donnie Harrison described Jason Young as "uncooperative" with efforts to capture his wife's killer.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1173981.html


Aug. 15, 2008 2:01 AM
New residents in home of slaying victim

The home of Michelle Young, who was killed nearly two years ago, has new owners.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1178562.html



Nov. 6, 2008
Slain woman's assets subject of lawsuit

Michelle Young's mother wants all of her slain daughter's assets and life insurance payouts to go her young granddaughter, Cassidy, her attorneys said Wednesday at a Raleigh news conference.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1284198.html

The complaint filed by Michelle Young's mother (PDF)
http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2008/11/5/young_document.pdf

Nov. 7, 2008
Jason Young researched 'knockout'

Detectives investigating the death of Michelle Young say her husband's computer was used to search the Internet for information on "head trauma knockout" before his pregnant wife died.

Jason Young was also having an affair and exchanged about 50 calls and text messages with that woman the day before his wife's body was found lying in a pool of blood in her bedroom, according to a search warrant made public Thursday.

The warrant to search Jason Young's old work computer gives the most comprehensive picture to date of investigators' findings in the case, which remains unsolved after two years.

Michelle Young's body was found in her Wake County home on Nov. 3, 2006; the couple's daughter, Cassidy, then 2, was unharmed but left bloody footprints in the house. Sheriff's investigators began to focus on Jason Young soon after the death, but he has not been charged with a crime.

Jason Young has said he was out of town at the time Michelle was killed, and investigators found video footage of him at a Virginia hotel headed for an exit the night she died, according to previous search warrants.

Among investigators' statements in the 15-page document made public Thursday:

* Jason Young hung up on a Wake County sheriff's detective who called him the day Michelle Young's body was found. Young refused to come to the house and "did not inquire as to his daughter's wellbeing or the nature and/or cause of his wife's death."

* Jason Young and the woman with whom he was having an affair exchanged about 980 phone calls and text messages between Oct. 4 and Nov. 3, 2006.

* Young's computer was used to search the Internet on topics including "anatomy of a knockout," "head trauma knockout," and "divorce" before his wife was found dead.

* In e-mail, Young wrote to his sister about the investigation and his attorney: "His ONLY concern is for me and that hopefully there will NEVER be an arrest."

Last week, Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher, filed a civil lawsuit asking that her son-in-law be declared a killer or accomplice and barred from collecting any life insurance. She also asked for at least $10,000 from Young to compensate for her daughter's death -- the standard minimum threshold for civil lawsuits in Superior Court.

Repeated efforts to reach Roger Smith Jr., the lawyer who has been representing Young, have been unsuccessful since the civil suit was unsealed Tuesday.

A spokeswoman for Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said Thursday that Harrison would not discuss the search warrant.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1285538.html

Search Warrants
http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2008/11/6/Document.pdf

[Twinners]

Aug. 19, 2008
Husband's DNA found at fatal beating scene

Wake County deputies have been investigating whether on the night Michelle Young was killed, her husband checked into a Virginia hotel and then drove back to Raleigh, where DNA and bloody footprints linked to him were found at the crime scene.

Sealed search warrants made public Monday revealed new details in the fatal beating of Michelle Young on Nov. 3, 2006. The pregnant mother, 29, was found dead in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision home she shared with Jason Young, lying facedown on her bed in a pool of blood. Footprints from her 2-year-old daughter, who was unharmed, trailed across the carpet.

The warrants, filed at the Wake County Clerk of Courts Office, say investigators found two footprints in blood on a pillow in the Youngs' bedroom. One impression was similar to the design of a pair of Hush Puppies that Jason Young owned. The other footprint was from an athletic shoe. The search warrant noted that Jason Young bought Hush Puppies and two pairs of athletic shoes in July 2005 from a store in Cary.

They also found a blood splatter that might have been a print on the bedroom wall near the body of Michelle Young. The State Bureau of Investigation found that DNA taken from the stain matched Jason Young's DNA, according to the warrant. DNA was also collected from a jewelry box in the bedroom after it appeared several drawers were taken.

Jason Young, 34, has not been charged in the case, even though the documents make clear the investigation has focused on him. The sheriff's office declined comment Monday on the evidence cited in the search warrants.

Young has told investigators he was on a business trip at the time his wife was killed.

Young seen on videos

The night before Michelle Young's body was found, Jason Young checked into a Hampton Inn in Hillsville, Va., about 170 miles from Raleigh, according to the search warrant. A hotel security camera captured an image of Young wearing a light, long-sleeved pullover at the front desk as he registered between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m.

A security camera captured a second image of Young at 11:59 p.m., wearing a dark pullover, heading to a hotel exit.

Hotel employees later discovered that the exit door had a rock in the door jamb that kept the door from locking automatically and allowed people to enter without using a key card, according to the warrant. Young's key card was not used to re-enter the hotel. The security camera did not show him returning to his hotel room.

The warrant says that investigators suspect a light-colored SUV seen at the Young residence between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. by a newspaper carrier was Jason Young's white Ford Explorer. The newspaper carrier told investigators the house stood out because all the lights were on, as if someone was having a party. The SUV was "parked in such a manner that it appeared to have been unloading or loading something," the investigator stated in the warrant.

In the affidavit, the investigator also noted that Young was not wearing the dark pullover when he arrived at his mother's home in Brevard in late afternoon on the day of the killing. Instead, he was wearing a white shirt and tie.

His mother told investigators that her son had not washed, changed or discarded any clothing while at her home. The dark pullover Young was wearing when he left the hotel was never found, investigators said.

On the day his wife's body was found, Young refused to speak to investigators until he had hired a lawyer, according to investigators' affidavits. Young hung up on an investigator who reached him by phone that same day, according to the affidavit. Investigators said Jason Young's refusal to talk hindered the early stages of their investigation.

"Mr. Young could have done a walk through to look for items that were missing or out of place," Investigator R.C. Spivey III wrote. "He could have provided the names of persons that may have had a conflict with him or his wife. He could have provided information on recent visitors or workers that may have been in the residence."

Efforts to reach Young's attorney, Roger Smith Jr. of Raleigh, were unsuccessful Monday.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1184010.html

Affidavits: http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2008/8/18/young_affadavit03.pdf

I was shocked to read the stuff about what was caught on video and the door being jammed at the hotel. I thought the husband might actually be innocent this time. Now I'm not so sure.

[Leanne Weich]

This board has gone very quiet since Linda filed the Wrongful Death Suit and the release of the latest search warrant.

Funny how the JII's have been castigated for near on 2 years about our comprehension problems pertaining to the relationship between the killer and Michelle Money.

I really believe the probable cause set forth in the SW should give Jason's supporters pause to think. :biggrin:

[janesdean]

This board has gone very quiet since Linda filed the Wrongful Death Suit and the release of the latest search warrant.

Funny how the JII's have been castigated for near on 2 years about our comprehension problems pertaining to the relationship between the killer and Michelle Money.

I really believe the probable cause set forth in the SW should give Jason's supporters pause to think. :biggrin:

Hi Leanne, good to see you here. Well, IS is shut down I see, no surprise there. Maybe this will be a new home for all of us until they open again. Just hope the riff raff won't find this board. LOL. BBL, gotta go do some shopping.

janesdean

[Leanne Weich]

Hi Leanne, good to see you here. Well, IS is shut down I see, no surprise there. Maybe this will be a new home for all of us until they open again. Just hope the riff raff won't find this board. LOL. BBL, gotta go do some shopping.

janesdean

Hey jd, have missed you at IS as well as many of the other old posters. I see a lot of the riff raff have already found this one - maybe they've forgotten about it like I did when IS re-opened after the redecoration.

What do you think about the WDS? I think JY has until 12/1 to respond and, IIRC, that long outstanding search warrant is due to be unsealed then too. Hopefully, an indictment will come down next GJ day thereafter.

[Leanne Weich]

Jason was declared the slayer of Michelle today by Judge Stephens. Grand Jury meets on Tuesday - hopefully an indictment will be forthcoming.

[janesdean]

Hi, hope you all had a great holiday!! This case has finally begun to unravel, funny how right on so many were all along, while the JII's have been just as wrong ! All that hot air we've been subjected should be stoppered with the new information found in the latest published SW's. The main topic at IS lately is the KEYS. Seems irrelevant to me, I think the keys were laid on Michelle's car by whoever came to impound the vehicles. If I recall both Meredith and Michelle's cars were impounded on the day the body was discovered. Seems pretty obvious that the keys mean nothing in the scheme of things, the JII's grasp at anything they can to argue Jason's innocence. They already have disregarded the information revealed in the SW's, all pointing to his obvious guilt. I was reading back a ways on different boards in the archives, it's pretty funny to hear posters like Mimi/Celiarun/:rolleyes:, Bookie:confused:, Kat:shrug: etc., etc. go on and on about things now proven they were dead wrong about. They used such a demeaning tone to posters who it turns out were the ones who were RIGHT. Well, the indictment can't come soon enough for me, in the meantime the custody suit will be very interesting to see played out. I hope Linda and Meredith are successful and Cassidy can go and resume her relationship with two of the most important people in her young life as soon as possible. Hope to see more of you posting here again, the nice thing about this site is the moderator is fair, and fairly invisible I might add.

[janesdean]

Hi all, well seems the Michelle Young board at In Sessions has been shut down (hmm..wonder who's behind that ?) and the latest posts on the temporary Memorial Weekend Thread were DELETED (HMMM....again), so thought I'd attempt a revival of this board. Anyone interested ???

BTW, reading back over the posts HERE is quite hilarious, where's enigma when ya need her ?