Ted Bundy.

[Drumbum]

What became of Carol and his daughter?

[SaraSidle]

What became of Carol and his daughter?

I have no idea but I bet it was a name change IMO

[Drumbum]

I have no idea but I bet it was a name change IMO
I'd think so as well.

[Serial Killer X]

I have no idea but I bet it was a name change IMO

Yer Maybey But I Don't Think So But They Might Of Wanted To Get Away From The Press And Not Have Any Relation To Him.

SKX

[Serial Killer X]

Hi If we could get in touch with Ann Rule I'd bet she'd know. She worked beside him and wrote about him.

Who Was Ann Rule? A Journalist? Is She Dead? How Long Did She Know Him?

SKX

[grneyes]

This is on Ann's website.


"I have deliberately avoided knowing anything about Ted's ex-wife and daughter's whereabouts because they deserve privacy. I don't want to know where they are; I never want to be caught off guard by some reporter's question about them. All I know is that Ted's daughter has grown up to be a fine young woman."

[SaraSidle]

This is on Ann's website.

Great post grneyes thank you.....

[grneyes]

Your welcome Sara. :-)

Ann has some more updates on other killers (that she has written about in her books) and their familes that are pretty interesting to read also.

http://annrules.com/news3.htm

[Drumbum]

This is on Ann's website.

Thanks.

[SaraSidle]

Your welcome Sara. :-)

Ann has some more updates on other killers (that she has written about in her books) and their familes that are pretty interesting to read also.

http://annrules.com/news3.htm

I will have to look for those. I have read her books before but nothing on updates.

[Serial Killer X]

Great post grneyes thank you.....

Lol Is That Sarcasim Sara?

SKX

[Serial Killer X]

Hi. Ann Rule is alive and kicking and the author of many kick a.. true crime novels. She was a counselor with Bundy in Seattle I believe when he started murdering. She wrote "The Killer Beside Me" about Bundy.

Ok Mr Bell Thx For That.

SKX

[Super Volcano]

Hi If we could get in touch with Ann Rule I'd bet she'd know. She worked beside him and wrote about him.
My oldest sister and one of her friends once met Ted Bundy, when he was in Idaho. Ted asked my sister's friend (who had long hair, etc. all of the characteristics of Ted's victims) on a date. He seemed o.k, and she said yes. She later said that she had the heebie jeebies for some reason, and insisted on being in public places, and that she would meet him at the mall. He tried and tried to get her to go for a ride in his car. She finally agreed, thinking she would be safe in the public parking lot. When they got in his car, his whole demeanor changed, and became closed off, and angry. She said that in the V.W bug that he was driving at the time (?) the passenger door was welded shut. He remained silent, and drove to some location. He stopped the car, said he had to get something from the trunk, and would be back. She took the chance, and went out of his door, and ran like hell to the nearest home, which was like a few blocks or so away, and called her parents. He chased her for a minute, but then seemed to be scared off by something. It bugged her why she was scared of him. Then a few months after that, the news started airing Ted Bundy as a murderer on the run. She was deffinitely one of the lucky ones. I remember listening to the radio, when they finally executed him. If I remember right, they left the fryer on, to make sure he was "done." I am glad they did.:beer:

[odette]

Thank you for sharing SV. That's scary!!.

The Gift of Fear - By GAVIN DE BECKER - Little, Brown and Company

Survival Signals That Protect Us From Violence

CHAPTER ONE: He had probably been watching her for a while. We aren't sure--but what we do know is that she was not his first victim. That afternoon, in an effort to get all her shopping done in one trip, Kelly had overestimated what she could comfortably carry home. Justifying her decision as she struggled with the heavy bags, she reminded herself that making two trips would have meant walking around after dark, and she was too careful about her safety for that. As she climbed the few steps to the apartment building door, she saw that it had been left unlatched (again). Her neighbors just don't get it, she thought, and though their lax security annoyed her, this time she was glad to be saved the trouble of getting out the key.

She closed the door behind her, pushing it until she heard it latch. She is certain she locked it, which means he must have already been inside the corridor. .......

• Continued
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/becker-fear.html

[Drumbum]

There are photographs of Bundy at the morgue. I prefer to remember him that way.

[SaraSidle]

that gives me chills read it SV. thank goodness she is alive!!!IMO

[aldred]

The book by Ann Rule on Bundy is called "The Stranger Beside Me".

As far as I know, Ted never lived in Idaho. During the confessions he made just prior to january 24, 1989, he said that he'd travelled north from Salt Lake City at one time and snatched a girl off a playfield in Pocatello, Idaho; Lynette Culver, 13 (?), vanished during the Labor Day weekend of 1974.

If the passenger door of his VW was welded shut. How did the passenger get into the car? The story doesn't ring true afaiac -- urban legend.

[Super Volcano]

:cuss:The book by Ann Rule on Bundy is called "The Stranger Beside Me".

As far as I know, Ted never lived in Idaho. During the confessions he made just prior to january 24, 1989, he said that he'd travelled north from Salt Lake City at one time and snatched a girl off a playfield in Pocatello, Idaho; Lynette Culver, 13 (?), vanished during the Labor Day weekend of 1974.

If the passenger door of his VW was welded shut. How did the passenger get into the car? The story doesn't ring true afaiac -- urban legend.

I never said he lived there. He most certainly traveled through Idaho. I remember hearing from my sister and her friend about their story, as clear as day. I left the part out of the story that he wanted her to get into the front seat through his door, because I was afraid I was rambling on about the story!!!!! Sheesh!!!!! All she said about it, is that she thought it was his strange way of being a gentleman. Believe in what you want. I believe my sister and her friend, and always will.:eek:

[Super Volcano]

There are photographs of Bundy at the morgue. I prefer to remember him that way.
I have never seem these photos. How can we access them? Are they gruesome?:shrug:

[Karin]

I have never seem these photos. How can we access them? Are they gruesome?:shrug:

I just googled his name plus execution photos.............gross huh?


http://images.google.com/images?q=ted+bundy+execution+photos&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GZEZ&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

[grneyes]

I just googled his name plus execution photos.............gross huh?


http://images.google.com/images?q=ted+bundy+execution+photos&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GZEZ&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

Dang it Karin! You just had to post that link for me to see just as I'm getting ready to go to sleep. Now I'm going to have nightmares. *lol*

:beer:

[Drumbum]

Dang it Karin! You just had to post that link for me to see just as I'm getting ready to go to sleep. Now I'm going to have nightmares. *lol*

:beer:

Blame me, I planted the seed of curiosity. ;)

[grneyes]

Blame me, I planted the seed of curiosity. ;)

You just knew I couldn't resist didn't you?

;)

[Drumbum]

You just knew I couldn't resist didn't you?

;)

Yepper, something about cats and curiosity. :D

[aldred]

:cuss:

I never said he lived there. He most certainly traveled through Idaho. I remember hearing from my sister and her friend about their story, as clear as day. I left the part out of the story that he wanted her to get into the front seat through his door, because I was afraid I was rambling on about the story!!!!! Sheesh!!!!! All she said about it, is that she thought it was his strange way of being a gentleman. Believe in what you want. I believe my sister and her friend, and always will.:eek:

:o I feel a little stupid to have attacked your story. I think you should try and press your sister for more details before they're lost in time. It should have been in the summer of 1975.

The distance between Salt Lake City and Pocatello is 262 miles.

[aldred]

...

The photos of the dead Ted aren't really gruesome. It looks like he's smiling but that is supposed to be an effect of the electricity. I happened to view some color crime scene pictures from the Chi Omega sorority house and I wish I hadn't -- not a pretty sight.

[Drumbum]

My oldest sister and one of her friends once met Ted Bundy, when he was in Idaho. Ted asked my sister's friend (who had long hair, etc. all of the characteristics of Ted's victims) on a date. He seemed o.k, and she said yes. She later said that she had the heebie jeebies for some reason, and insisted on being in public places, and that she would meet him at the mall. He tried and tried to get her to go for a ride in his car. She finally agreed, thinking she would be safe in the public parking lot. When they got in his car, his whole demeanor changed, and became closed off, and angry. She said that in the V.W bug that he was driving at the time (?) the passenger door was welded shut. He remained silent, and drove to some location. He stopped the car, said he had to get something from the trunk, and would be back. She took the chance, and went out of his door, and ran like hell to the nearest home, which was like a few blocks or so away, and called her parents. He chased her for a minute, but then seemed to be scared off by something. It bugged her why she was scared of him. Then a few months after that, the news started airing Ted Bundy as a murderer on the run. She was definitely one of the lucky ones. I remember listening to the radio, when they finally executed him. If I remember right, they left the fryer on, to make sure he was "done." I am glad they did.:beer:


I don't lend much credibility to Anne's book, sorry. I prefer The Only Living Witness. I have a couple of questions SV. :cool:

Did she report this incident?
Was the VW tan?

[Super Volcano]

I don't lend much credibility to Anne's book, sorry. I prefer The Only Living Witness. I have a couple of questions SV. :cool:

Did she report this incident?
Was the VW tan?

I was only 10 years old when this happened. I have three brothers, and four sisters (the sister that had this experience is the oldest, and was 18 at the time.) I just remember the story, and being terrified of this monster on the loose. It didn't help that my mom borrowed a gun from the farmer down the street. Sure. My sister hasn't talked about this incident for years, and I think she still might be in touch with her friend Mindy, who this happened to. I don't know really anything about the V.W. bug, other than what was in their story. Did Bundy drive a V.W bug for sure? I purposely avoid reading his story, because of what happened here. I guess I should read it, to know my history a little better. After they aired his picture on the news saying they were looking for him, I had nightmares almost every night for a LONG time!!!! I simply was relating the story I heard, but I will try to find out what I can. What other questions should I ask? ;) I think (if I remember right) that Mindy's parents took her that same night to the police station and made a report. I have no idea if anything came of it.

[Super Volcano]

:o I feel a little stupid to have attacked your story. I think you should try and press your sister for more details before they're lost in time. It should have been in the summer of 1975.

The distance between Salt Lake City and Pocatello is 262 miles.

Like I told Drumbum ( scroll up) I was only 10 years old when this happened. At that age, my mind was alive, and full of "what ifs". I was scared out of my mind, after they were airing him on the news. My parents were paranoid (which didn't help me at ALL) and made us go everywhere with them. My mom would freak out if we were out of her sight in stores, etc. We went through this all over again (even though we were older) when Richard Ramirez was on the loose, even though we lived in a different state. Yea, it was right about that time. My sister hasn't talked about this for years, and I haven't seen her friend Mindy (the one that this happened to) forever. I know she is married, with a bunch of kids. I am not really sure what questions to ask, because I am not (I am now ashamed) really that familliar with the "Ted Bundy" story. I guess I should be. I just avoided it, because I was terrified of him as a kid. :biggrin:

[odette]

Fatal Addiction - Ted Bundy's Final Interview (http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/understanding/a0000082.cfm)

[aldred]

As far as I know, Ted never lived in Idaho. During the confessions he made just prior to january 24, 1989, he said that he'd travelled north from Salt Lake City at one time and snatched a girl off a playfield in Pocatello, Idaho; Lynette Culver, 13 (?), vanished during the Labor Day weekend of 1974.


I had a look at what Wikipedia had to say and found that Lynette Culver, 13 (!), didn't disappear in 1974, but in 1975, may 6th, to be exact.

Ted was stopped by police in august 1975, but I don't know when his picture got in the news. I guess it was rather close to the date of his arrest, though.


Wikipedia had a very good article about Ted. The feature story in the Crime Library is also good.

[Karin]

Fatal Addiction - Ted Bundy's Final Interview (http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/understanding/a0000082.cfm)


That is interesting........Here is his final interview on youtube. See part 1,2,3,etc. if you have the time. He was executed the next morning. He sounded like an idiot blaming everything on pornography! I guess in the end he needed to blame someone or something for his atrosities!
:shrug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9FhawqTyc

[SaraSidle]

Lol Is That Sarcasim Sara?

SKX

No it is not.

[Super Volcano]

I don't lend much credibility to Anne's book, sorry. I prefer The Only Living Witness. I have a couple of questions SV. :cool:

Did she report this incident?
Was the VW tan?

You planted the seeds of curiosity in me, with these questions. I just read what I could about T.B, and he was a truly disgusting monster. I can see how soooo many women were decieved by his good looks. It is his eyes that freak me out!!!!! I just cannot believe that he was on the loose that long, doing his evil deeds. Just from the pictures that went along in the stories I read on this link, it looks like the V.W bug was either white, or a really light blue. I don't think my sister's friend ever said what color his car was. The thing that surprised me about the story, was at the end, with how much publicity his execution generated. I just remeber it being early in the morning, and listening to it on the radio with my dad, and my dad cheering when it was over. :beer:

[Drumbum]

That is interesting........Here is his final interview on youtube. See part 1,2,3,etc. if you have the time. He was executed the next morning. He sounded like an idiot blaming everything on pornography! I guess in the end he needed to blame someone or something for his atrocities!
:shrug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9FhawqTyc

Yepper, telling Dr. Dobson that the Devil made him do it more or less. You know, I don't think he knew why he did those things but there was a part of him that realized he'd never stop and death was the only solution. He asked a friend once which states carried the death penalty and Florida was one of the states mentioned.

[Ice]

Like I told Drumbum ( scroll up) I was only 10 years old when this happened. At that age, my mind was alive, and full of "what ifs". I was scared out of my mind, after they were airing him on the news. My parents were paranoid (which didn't help me at ALL) and made us go everywhere with them. My mom would freak out if we were out of her sight in stores, etc. We went through this all over again (even though we were older) when Richard Ramirez was on the loose, even though we lived in a different state. Yea, it was right about that time. My sister hasn't talked about this for years, and I haven't seen her friend Mindy (the one that this happened to) forever. I know she is married, with a bunch of kids. I am not really sure what questions to ask, because I am not (I am now ashamed) really that familliar with the "Ted Bundy" story. I guess I should be. I just avoided it, because I was terrified of him as a kid. :biggrin:


Wow! Cool story you got there! Your brush with infamy. Glad your sister lived to tell the tale. Thanks for telling it to us. That had to make everyone in your family a little freaked out once they realized who had gotten next to your sister.

I just have a quick question. Since Ted was married to Carol when she gave birth, that would make the daughter his legally. How are we sure that she is really Ted's biological daughter?

Anyone?

[Super Volcano]

Wow! Cool story you got there! Your brush with infamy. Glad your sister lived to tell the tale. Thanks for telling it to us. That had to make everyone in your family a little freaked out once they realized who had gotten next to your sister.

I just have a quick question. Since Ted was married to Carol when she gave birth, that would make the daughter his legally. How are we sure that she is really Ted's biological daughter?

Anyone?

After posting (above message) I went on this Trutv website, and read all I could on Ted Bundy. I also went and googled his death photos. It hardly doesn't look like him, because his head was shaved, and he looked almost like a wax figurine. It is WIERD, that this coming January (or Feb?) will be 20 years since Bundy had his date with "Old Sparky." :chicken: Oh yea. I am not sure at all if that girl was Ted's or not. Smart of the mother to change her surname to protect her.

[Super Volcano]

After posting (above message) I went on this Trutv website, and read all I could on Ted Bundy. I also went and googled his death photos. It hardly doesn't look like him, because his head was shaved, and he looked almost like a wax figurine. It is WIERD, that this coming January (or Feb?) will be 20 years since Bundy had his date with "Old Sparky." :chicken: Oh yea. I am not sure at all if that girl was Ted's or not. Smart of the mother to change her surname to protect her.

It would be also interesting to know how much the daughter DOES know about who her real father is, if she knows him from Ted bundy, or Al Bundy. :D

[Ice]

It would be also interesting to know how much the daughter DOES know about who her real father is, if she knows him from Ted bundy, or Al Bundy. :D

She'd have to know that her mother was married to Ted and she must know alot of people are referring to her as Ted's daughter, unless she's been living under a rock for the past 25 years.
I'm not real sure I'd want to know if I were her. I'm glad her mother had enough good sense to protect her. Something must have finally gone right in Carol's head.

I still doubt she is Ted's biological child. I think people want to believe she is, why though, I can't imagine.

[Super Volcano]

She'd have to know that her mother was married to Ted and she must know alot of people are referring to her as Ted's daughter, unless she's been living under a rock for the past 25 years.
I'm not real sure I'd want to know if I were her. I'm glad her mother had enough good sense to protect her. Something must have finally gone right in Carol's head.

I still doubt she is Ted's biological child. I think people want to believe she is, why though, I can't imagine.

I am with you. I HOPE she isn't Ted's offspring. Yet, it makes sense that she would know that one of the most infamous serial killers is her father. Disgusting as it may be to digest for the daughter. I don't want to believe that she is his daughter, I just have never heard otherwise. :no:

[grneyes]

She'd have to know that her mother was married to Ted and she must know alot of people are referring to her as Ted's daughter, unless she's been living under a rock for the past 25 years.
I'm not real sure I'd want to know if I were her. I'm glad her mother had enough good sense to protect her. Something must have finally gone right in Carol's head.

I still doubt she is Ted's biological child. I think people want to believe she is, why though, I can't imagine.

Why do you think she isn't Ted's child?

[Drumbum]

It's a safe bet that she is, considering Carol going to lengths to shield her.

[Super Volcano]

It's a safe bet that she is, considering Carol going to lengths to shield her.

I am glad the mother has been doing something right, after marrying that puke. What else do you know about Carol shielding her daughter? Very interesting. Do you guys realize it will be 20 years this coming Jan, (or Feb, can't remember which) that Ted had his date with "Old Sparky?" Seems more like last year. :rose:

[debbyuk2008]

i think its terrifying how Ted got away with it for so long. Also its awful to think if he hadn't escaped from jail, some victims would still be alive.

[debbyuk2008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfIpMRfNzc

I don't know if any of you have watched this the biography?

[Karin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfIpMRfNzc

I don't know if any of you have watched this the biography?


I saw this a while back and it is very interesting!

[Ice]

Why do you think she isn't Ted's child?

I just have my doubt that she is his biological daughter. He was in prison when she was conceived, doesn't that give you any doubt at all? I just always wondered what made everyone so sure she was Ted's. Because the woman who married him said so?

I do not know what lengths that this woman has gone through to shield her, but wouldn't she try to protect her daughter regardless who fathered her? Maybe there have been some incidents that I do not know of. I have always felt Ted's daughter or not, she should be left alone. She has not commited any crimes. That I know of, I need to clarify that. I do not know a thing about her.

She very well could be his daughter though, I am not saying she is NOT. I am saying that I do not know. I was just wondering if anyone out there had heard of or seen any concrete evidence that this lady IS his daughter. not that it really is any of my business.

Hope I covered all my bases. I seem to be ripe for the nitpicking.

[grneyes]

I just have my doubt that she is his biological daughter. He was in prison when she was conceived, doesn't that give you any doubt at all? I just always wondered what made everyone so sure she was Ted's. Because the woman who married him said so?

I do not know what lengths that this woman has gone through to shield her, but wouldn't she try to protect her daughter regardless who fathered her? Maybe there have been some incidents that I do not know of. I have always felt Ted's daughter or not, she should be left alone. She has not commited any crimes. That I know of, I need to clarify that. I do not know a thing about her.

She very well could be his daughter though, I am not saying she is NOT. I am saying that I do not know. I was just wondering if anyone out there had heard of or seen any concrete evidence that this lady IS his daughter. not that it really is any of my business.

Hope I covered all my bases. I seem to be ripe for the nitpicking.

I didn't have a clue when she got pregnant because I haven't read that much about his family. That's why I was asking why you thought she wasn't.

[Drumbum]

We may never know for sure,but Carol seemed 100% devoted to him, kinda like a certain woman who has something in common with Carol. From what I've read, the baby was conceived while Ted was in prison and in those accounts the child's name was a pseudonym. It was said that Carol smuggled drugs in for him along with these conjugal visits.

[grneyes]

We may never know for sure,but Carol seemed 100% devoted to him, kinda like a certain woman who has something in common with Carol. From what I've read, the baby was conceived while Ted was in prison and in those accounts the child's name was a pseudonym. It was said that Carol smuggled drugs in for him along with these conjugal visits.

Well, that would sure explain her getting pregnant while he was in prison if she was totally devoted to him.

[Drumbum]

Well, that would sure explain her getting pregnant while he was in prison if she was totally devoted to him.

I'm betting the visits were the bribe the guard kind. There was a water cooler that supplied enough obstruction for such foolin.It was portrayed in one of the bad movies about him, but not in a believeable way.

[grneyes]

Here's a mini bio I found on Bundy that's got a few interesting facts in it.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0120421/bio

[debbyuk2008]

Hi grneyes

I found his personal quotes interesting

Personal Quotes

"We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. And there will be more of your children dead tomorrow."

I'm not an animal, and I'm not crazy and I'm not a split personality. That's all there is to it. People refuse to believe that. That's their problem. There's nothing in my background, I swear to God, and I know it: I've analyzed my own background and I know there's no doubt in my mind that there's nothing in my background, no one factor or collection of factors that would explain or would otherwise lead one to believe that I was capable of murder.

It is frightening to think someone you consider normal could be capable of such horrific crimes.
In one interview he blamed access to porno magazines.

[Super Volcano]

Hi grneyes

I found his personal quotes interesting

Personal Quotes

"We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. And there will be more of your children dead tomorrow."

I'm not an animal, and I'm not crazy and I'm not a split personality. That's all there is to it. People refuse to believe that. That's their problem. There's nothing in my background, I swear to God, and I know it: I've analyzed my own background and I know there's no doubt in my mind that there's nothing in my background, no one factor or collection of factors that would explain or would otherwise lead one to believe that I was capable of murder.

It is frightening to think someone you consider normal could be capable of such horrific crimes.
In one interview he blamed access to porno magazines.

I think his quote on "we serial killers are......" was meant more for himself, to justify in his mind that serial freaks like him are everywhere. Didn't he help the feds with some other freak serial killer?

[grneyes]

The scary part is, what if he was right? What if they aren't crazy, insane or whatever you want to call it?

[SaraSidle]

The scary part is, what if he was right? What if they aren't crazy, insane or whatever you want to call it?

I do not believe serial killers are crazy for the most part. I believe they did not bond with their parents and they are immoral,psychopathic and need control of someone sexually and physically. Need to kill over and over cause it makes them feel good and they want each one better than the next.
Most of them are very organized and know the difference between right and wrong. They are not hearing voices and their thoughts are clear. I base this on my education and job experiences. It is so true that you might know someone who is a serial killer but not see that. Scarey aint it. And the FBI believes there are many more out there at any given time. no links. IMO

P.S. I cannot believe he had a conjugal visit but who knows???

[Drumbum]

I do not believe serial killers are crazy for the most part. I believe they did not bond with their parents and they are immoral,psychopathic and need control of someone sexually and physically. Need to kill over and over cause it makes them feel good and they want each one better than the next.
Most of them are very organized and know the difference between right and wrong. They are not hearing voices and their thoughts are clear. I base this on my education and job experiences. It is so true that you might know someone who is a serial killer but not see that. Scarey aint it. And the FBI believes there are many more out there at any given time. no links. IMO

P.S. I cannot believe he had a conjugal visit but who knows???


Big kudos for Sara! I couldn't agree more. Maybe we can get Carol to come out of the woodwork and answer some questions..

[Super Volcano]

I do not believe serial killers are crazy for the most part. I believe they did not bond with their parents and they are immoral,psychopathic and need control of someone sexually and physically. Need to kill over and over cause it makes them feel good and they want each one better than the next.
Most of them are very organized and know the difference between right and wrong. They are not hearing voices and their thoughts are clear. I base this on my education and job experiences. It is so true that you might know someone who is a serial killer but not see that. Scarey aint it. And the FBI believes there are many more out there at any given time. no links. IMO

P.S. I cannot believe he had a conjugal visit but who knows???

Man, I NEVER thought of any of that. That is down right freaky. Might havta sleep with the light on tonight!!!!! :cuss: j/k..............................

[Drumbum]

Look for Deranged this week on ID. I think this episode is Ted.

[susie31023]

Man, I NEVER thought of any of that. That is down right freaky. Might havta sleep with the light on tonight!!!!! :cuss: j/k..............................

I agree SV. It is scary but it is also very true. We have a tendency to think evil people are noticeable. Instead most of them look normal, just like you and I. That's what they count on also. We look at them and say well he/she looks safe, unfortunately for many thats the last time they will say that.JMO

[Drumbum]

Anyone catch Deranged last night?

[SaraSidle]

I do not believe we get ID here Drumbum

[Drumbum]

I do not believe we get ID here Drumbum

:( Bummer, sweets.

[Super Volcano]

:( Bummer, sweets.

I don't get that either. But what was it that intrigued you, or was different, on that program, that you can share with us? :)

[Drumbum]

I don't get that either. But what was it that intrigued you, or was different, on that program, that you can share with us? :)

Nothing. Bundy was the second serial killer I studied closely after JtR. I posted the program in case someone else was interested. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Nothing. Bundy was the second serial killer I studied closely after JtR. I posted the program in case someone else was interested. :cool:

Oh, ok. cool.........:cool:

[Super Volcano]

Hi. If evil had a 'face' then we'd all run screaming from it. But it doesn't have 'a' face. It comes in many guises, like Bundy. He was a good looking guy with a smooth line for the ladies and they fell for it. He could have had a normal life but there was something in him that was screwed wrong. He blamed, among others, the girlfriend who dumped him, the one with long dark hair parted in the middle. It is true that's that the type he hunted but I think Bundy was pulling towards the dark side long before she ever showed up.

Yea, that's the most terrifying part for us innocent people just trying to live normal lives.

[susie31023]

Hi. If evil had a 'face' then we'd all run screaming from it. But it doesn't have 'a' face. It comes in many guises, like Bundy. He was a good looking guy with a smooth line for the ladies and they fell for it. He could have had a normal life but there was something in him that was screwed wrong. He blamed, among others, the girlfriend who dumped him, the one with long dark hair parted in the middle. It is true that's that the type he hunted but I think Bundy was pulling towards the dark side long before she ever showed up.

JB, Ted was very charismatic and some thought handsome. I agree that that was part of the reason he was able to get so many young women..But, I think he used the excuse of his ex girlfriend just so he wouldn;t have to take the blame. In fact I think he used every excuse he could think of to relieve himself of any culpability in his crimes...As for the face of pure evil I agree Ted personified that perfectly...

[Fish Face Frank]

To be the offspring of a serial killer has to be a very emotional ordeal to endure. I know I would make every attempt to seperate myself from any connection with the killer in question.

If she is truly a fine yong woman as Ann Rule states then God bless her. It is great to hear success stories like that.

[aldred]

The overall majority of all the people that start on the path of intra personal violence (coming out of a wide variety of non personal crimes; petty arson, cruelty to animals, B & E, theft, vandalism, etcetera) doesn't cross over and take the life of another human being. A few does and are repulsed by what they've done and they may commit suicide, give themselves up to police, or live out their lives in denial.

To say that serial killers didn't bond with their primary care takers is, in my opinion, to look at it from the wrong direction. It is the care takers responsibility to bond with their child and to pass on the good behavior. The child who is only one or two years old are in a position where they Must Adapt; they have No Choice.

If the care takers fail to bond with their child, for any number of reason, this will affect the early development that are the foundation of later development. As the child grows older it will start to pick up things on an instinctive level. You can't fool a child. It knows what's true or not true.

If the child grows up and are treated as an object to the care takers disposal it will get used to it and treat others as objects and it will grow up feeling powerless and vulnerable. It may not be allowed to express emotions, such as anger, sadness, joy, etcetera, and what can not be expressed in the open will be expressed in fantasy and in the fantasy the child is in control, but while the fantasies might fill the void it will not make it go away.

The rest is just another type of addiction.

[SUSYDAHMER]

hello everyone im a newbie .this forum is very interesting .

[Super Volcano]

hello everyone im a newbie .this forum is very interesting .

Welcome!!!! Just curious; the name you chose.....Are you related to Jeffery Dahmer, or is that just a name you picked? That would be a VERY interesting conversation piece.:D

[cami]

I just have my doubt that she is his biological daughter. He was in prison when she was conceived, doesn't that give you any doubt at all? I just always wondered what made everyone so sure she was Ted's. Because the woman who married him said so?

I do not know what lengths that this woman has gone through to shield her, but wouldn't she try to protect her daughter regardless who fathered her? Maybe there have been some incidents that I do not know of. I have always felt Ted's daughter or not, she should be left alone. She has not commited any crimes. That I know of, I need to clarify that. I do not know a thing about her.

She very well could be his daughter though, I am not saying she is NOT. I am saying that I do not know. I was just wondering if anyone out there had heard of or seen any concrete evidence that this lady IS his daughter. not that it really is any of my business.

Hope I covered all my bases. I seem to be ripe for the nitpicking.

Actually Ted bribed the guards so he and Carol could have sex whilst he was locked up. Chances are it's his child given Carol's diehard devotion to him.

The Only Living Witness was chilling. Read it if you get the chance. I've also read The Phantom Prince By Liz Kendall. She was Ted's gf and fiancee for years.

[SUSYDAHMER]

thx volcano ,dahmer is my real name,ive heard that ted bundy loved his baby girl very much ,so said mrs ann rule.if the child was not his daughter, why 'the mother has hidden her?

[Drumbum]

thx volcano ,dahmer is my real name,ive heard that ted bundy loved his baby girl very much ,so said mrs ann rule.if the child was not his daughter, why 'the mother has hidden her?

Yes, he did. He was also quite fond of Carol's son.

[Super Volcano]

thx volcano ,dahmer is my real name,ive heard that ted bundy loved his baby girl very much ,so said mrs ann rule.if the child was not his daughter, why 'the mother has hidden her?

Ok, so are you related to Jeffery Dahmer, and were there signs of him doing gory things before it got publicized what was going on?

[SUSYDAHMER]

i was very young when my cousin was convicted ,but he was a lonely man that did not accept his homosexuality:D

[Super Volcano]

i was very young when my cousin was convicted ,but he was a lonely man that did not accept his homosexuality:D

I am sorry for that. It is awesome that you live where you live!!! Must be fun