Follow the Money all the way to Vegas

[weezer]

Looks like orenthal just can't keep his memorabilia down!

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Simpson seeks cash in memorabilia
SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Dumped by Hertz and NBC, O.J. Simpson had to look elsewhere, anywhere, for money, and the journey for dollars led him to the oddest places - like a cemetery.

Among the 19 contracts Simpson signed after the killings of his ex-wife and her friend was a $1 million deal for post-verdict pictures of himself, including $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs," presumably taken at his ex-wife's grave.

The search didn't end there, according to documents filed with the court by the plaintiffs in his civil trial.

There was, for instance, the deal for O.J. Simpson birthday cards that came with an audio greeting from Simpson himself.

He also inked deals to sign thousands of trading cards, pre-paid calling cards and football helmets, both full-sized and miniature, and lent his name or image to such things as statues, gold medallions and a limited edition set of color lithographs.

And all this was in addition to his much-publicized deals to co-write the jailhouse tome "I Want to Tell You" and to star in his own video, "O.J. Simpson: The Interview."

Some money-making opportunities have yet to be finalized. A witness at Simpson's civil trial said Simpson was trying to sell the suit he wore the day he was acquitted of murder charges.

Simpson also has applied for trademarks for scores of goods yet to be produced, including, of all things, cutlery.

In total, plaintiffs estimated, Simpson already has made nearly $3 million off the publicity linked to charges he slashed to death his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman on June 12, 1994.

Simpson's post-murder earning potential is among the issues the jurors in his wrongful death trial have to consider when they return Monday to decide punitive damages. The panel already has levied $8.5 million against Simpson in compensatory damages.

The plaintiffs argue that Simpson possesses an infamous asset in the form of his name, worth nearly $25 million, and that he can count on reaping $2 million to $3 million a year, primarily by signing his name to cards and memorabilia.

Simpson's people say his signature isn't worth the ink it's printed in, and that he stands to make next to nothing because of the stigma from the two trials.

Still, Simpson's chief money-man, Leroy "Skip" Taft, has been busy since the murders trying to turn a buck, sometimes at the expense of good taste.

Here are some of the deals Simpson entered into after the killings, although it's uncertain how much of the promised money he has actually received, according to a report by a plaintiff's expert:

- Post-verdict photos. A $1 million deal with Polaris and American Media on Nov. 19, 1995, called for $200,000 for "The First Day Photographs," $350,000 for "The Family Photographs," $350,000 for "The Vacation Photographs" and $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs."

The first-day and family pictures turned up in the Star tabloid. The others, including the cemetery pictures, apparently were never taken or sold.

Book. Polaris, through the services of author Lawrence Schiller, agreed in November 1994 to write Simpson's book. Simpson got a $1 million advance and was promised 15% royalties for the hardcover and 10% paperback royalties. He also was to get bonuses if the book made The New York Times best-seller list.
Birthday cards. A one-year contract signed March 27, 1995, while Simpson was still in jail, called for "facsimile birthday cards that contained an audiotape greeting from Mr. Simpson." For this Simpson would get a $15,000 license fee, an advance of $17,500 and 15% royalties on the first $50,000 sold.
Medallions. About a year after the murders, Simpson entered into a one-year contract with Laurence Network Corp. to lend his name and likeness to 250,000 silver medallions and 25,000 gold medallions. He would get a $20,000 advance, plus a 20% royalty on the medallions.
Lithographs. In an August 1995 deal with J & E Enterprises, Simpson put his name on 2,000 limited edition lithograph prints from an original color drawing. He was promised a 25% royalty on the prints, which sold for $325 to $425 each, and got to keep the original.
Autographs. Simpson entered into eight contracts to sign trading cards, memorabilia and little cards that were attached to such items as jerseys and helmets.
By The Associated Press

[tv]

None of this surprises me even the proposed cemetery photos. Whether they were taken or not, just the fact that he would agree to do it is in extremely poor taste. Wonder if there's anything he wouldn't do to make a buck? :eek:

[weezer]

None of this surprises me even the proposed cemetery photos. Whether they were taken or not, just the fact that he would agree to do it is in extremely poor taste. Wonder if there's anything he wouldn't do to make a buck? :eek:

I think he's pretty much proven that there is no bottom for him.

Hey, I think it would be cool to see what we can find on tracking some of the stuff orenthal claims was his in the hotel room in Vegas.

You see where the article quotes someone as saying orenthal was trying to sell the suit from the criminal trial?

[weezer]

okay --- I'm looking for anything that lists what orenthal was supposed to turn over, what was in the Vegas hotel room, etc. :read:

[tv]

okay --- I'm looking for anything that lists what orenthal was supposed to turn over, what was in the Vegas hotel room, etc. :read:I'm looking too. It's hard to find anything except the same old story of how Simpson and his gang of thugs burst into the hotel room and threatened everyone.

[tv]

So far all I've seen is the Rolex and football memorbilia. Nothing specific.

[weezer]

wonder what happened to all the stuff orenthal signed while he was in jail?

[tv]

wonder what happened to all the stuff orenthal signed while he was in jail?I'm guessing it all got sold during and after the trial. Talk about blood money, geez.

[weezer]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/popup?id=3612527&contentIndex=1&page=4&start=false

[weezer]

O.J. Hands Over Rolodex, Royalties To Goldmans
SLIDESHOW: O.J.'s Road To Infamy
RELATED STORIES: O.J. Simpson
POLL: Should O.J. Have To Give His Assets To Fred Goldman?
LOS ANGELES (CBS) ― O.J. Simpson was minus one Rolex watch -- real or otherwise -- Tuesday after a judge ordered him to hand it and other assets over to the father of slaying victim Ron Goldman.

Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg also ordered the former football star to turn over any future royalties from a videogame in which he appears and any of the disputed memorabilia he can prove is his that Las Vegas police seized when they arrested him last month on robbery, kidnapping and other charges.

"When you take the watch and you take the sports memorabilia, it's a drive toward monetary justice," said attorney David Cook, who represents Goldman's father, Fred Goldman. "This drive will continue because, unfortunately, monetary justice is the only justice we have available to us."

Cook confirmed the watch was turned over by Simpson attorney Ronald Slates.

In an interview, Slates questioned whether it was a real Rolex.

"Know any Rolex watches that sell for 125 bucks?" Slates sked, adding that's what Simpson told him he paid for the timepiece. The lawyer acknowledged that if it is fake, however, "it's a pretty good copy."

Rosenberg's order specifies a "Submariner Rolex Watch" that was identified in a photograph.

Cook, who said he saw Simpson wearing the watch in a photo posted on the celebrity web site TMZ.com, estimated its value at $5,000 to $22,000 if it's real.

"Then there's always what we call the celebrity value," he said, adding the fact Simpson wore it could make it worth still more.

Attorneys for both sides agreed Simpson isn't in a position to hand over the sports memorabilia he said was stolen from him and that he had gone to retrieve when he and five other men allegedly burst into a Las Vegas hotel room last month and carried it away. The five are charged with multiple counts of kidnapping, robbery, assault, burglary and conspiracy.

According to a police evidence report attached to Tuesday's court order, the items include a Giorgio Armani necktie, a baseball cap, numerous signed footballs from NFL games Simpson played in and autographed photos of Simpson in his football uniform.

Cook said that if the items were ever returned to Simpson he plans to take it.

The memorabilia, like the watch, would then be handed over to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, which would auction it and give the money to Fred Goldman.

Simpson was acquitted in a criminal trial of the 1994 murders of Ron Goldman and Simpson's ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson. After their families sued him for wrongful death, a civil court jury found him liable for the killings and ordered that he pay $33.5 million.

Although most of that award remains unpaid, Fred Goldman has begun to have some luck in seizing some of the Pro Football Hall of Famer's assets.

In addition to the watch, memorabilia and video game royalties, he recently won the rights to the book "If I Did It," a ghostwritten account in which Simpson tells how he might have killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. The book is currently on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list.

"If justice is served in books, footballs, jerseys and ties, then that's the hand we were dealt and that's the hand we'll play," Cook said.

(© 2007 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)

[weezer]

Friday, October 29, 2004
OJ Simpson's Sports Memorabilia Income Scrutinized

OJ Simpson's attorney was on Fox News the other night being interviewed about Simpson not reporting income from autograph signings. Rumour has it that there is over $1 million dollars in autograph fees that OJ has not reported.

Alfred Beardsley is in the news because he recently planned and cancelled an autograph show that was supposed to be at Frank & Sons in the City of Industry, CA. Mercury News reports that Beardsley may have some control over some of Simpson's property.

According to OJ's attorney, anything OJ makes in the state of Florida is non-attachable.

[weezer]

Simpson Banned From Strip Hotels
MGM, Harrah's, Palms, Mirage Ask Juice To Go Elsewhere

POSTED: 7:05 pm EST November 5, 2007
UPDATED: 8:04 pm EST November 5, 2007


LAS VEGAS -- O.J. Simpson may have a hard time finding a place to stay in Las Vegas this week. It appears Simpson has worn out his welcome at several hotels.

The Review-Journal reported that the MGM, Mirage, Harrah's and the Palms prefer that Simpson go elsewhere.

Before Simpson was arrested in connection with the sports memorabilia grab at Palace Station, he was staying at the Palms.

Simpson is expected back in Las Vegas Thursday for a pretrial hearing. He, Charles Ehrlich and Clarence Stewart are facing more than 10 felony charges, including coercion, kidnapping and armed robbery.

Three other co-defendants -- Walter Alexander, Charles Cashmore and Michael McClinton -- have accepted plea deals and will testify against Simpson, Ehrlich and Stewart.

[tv]

O.J. Hands Over Rolodex, Royalties To Goldmans
SLIDESHOW: O.J.'s Road To Infamy
RELATED STORIES: O.J. Simpson
POLL: Should O.J. Have To Give His Assets To Fred Goldman?
LOS ANGELES (CBS) ― O.J. Simpson was minus one Rolex watch -- real or otherwise -- Tuesday after a judge ordered him to hand it and other assets over to the father of slaying victim Ron Goldman.

Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg also ordered the former football star to turn over any future royalties from a videogame in which he appears and any of the disputed memorabilia he can prove is his that Las Vegas police seized when they arrested him last month on robbery, kidnapping and other charges.

"When you take the watch and you take the sports memorabilia, it's a drive toward monetary justice," said attorney David Cook, who represents Goldman's father, Fred Goldman. "This drive will continue because, unfortunately, monetary justice is the only justice we have available to us."

Cook confirmed the watch was turned over by Simpson attorney Ronald Slates.

In an interview, Slates questioned whether it was a real Rolex.

"Know any Rolex watches that sell for 125 bucks?" Slates sked, adding that's what Simpson told him he paid for the timepiece. The lawyer acknowledged that if it is fake, however, "it's a pretty good copy."

Rosenberg's order specifies a "Submariner Rolex Watch" that was identified in a photograph.

Cook, who said he saw Simpson wearing the watch in a photo posted on the celebrity web site TMZ.com, estimated its value at $5,000 to $22,000 if it's real.

"Then there's always what we call the celebrity value," he said, adding the fact Simpson wore it could make it worth still more.

Attorneys for both sides agreed Simpson isn't in a position to hand over the sports memorabilia he said was stolen from him and that he had gone to retrieve when he and five other men allegedly burst into a Las Vegas hotel room last month and carried it away. The five are charged with multiple counts of kidnapping, robbery, assault, burglary and conspiracy.

According to a police evidence report attached to Tuesday's court order, the items include a Giorgio Armani necktie, a baseball cap, numerous signed footballs from NFL games Simpson played in and autographed photos of Simpson in his football uniform.

Cook said that if the items were ever returned to Simpson he plans to take it.

The memorabilia, like the watch, would then be handed over to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, which would auction it and give the money to Fred Goldman.

Simpson was acquitted in a criminal trial of the 1994 murders of Ron Goldman and Simpson's ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson. After their families sued him for wrongful death, a civil court jury found him liable for the killings and ordered that he pay $33.5 million.

Although most of that award remains unpaid, Fred Goldman has begun to have some luck in seizing some of the Pro Football Hall of Famer's assets.

In addition to the watch, memorabilia and video game royalties, he recently won the rights to the book "If I Did It," a ghostwritten account in which Simpson tells how he might have killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. The book is currently on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list.

"If justice is served in books, footballs, jerseys and ties, then that's the hand we were dealt and that's the hand we'll play," Cook said.

(© 2007 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)Good job, weezer. Did they ever determine if the Rolex was a fake? I've read different accounts of that. Simpson must spend most of his time scheming to make money and figure out how to hide it from Fred Goldman. I have no doubt he's made a lot of money that Mr. Goldman will never see or know about. I still think the loss of the book rights was part of the reason he decided to go after what he called his "s**t. IMO, it was like the night he knew it was over with Paula and Nicole both and he flipped out.

[martin II]

Looks like orenthal just can't keep his memorabilia down!

02/10/97 - 09:00 AM ET - Click reload often for latest version
Simpson seeks cash in memorabilia
SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Dumped by Hertz and NBC, O.J. Simpson had to look elsewhere, anywhere, for money, and the journey for dollars led him to the oddest places - like a cemetery.

Among the 19 contracts Simpson signed after the killings of his ex-wife and her friend was a $1 million deal for post-verdict pictures of himself, including $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs," presumably taken at his ex-wife's grave.

The search didn't end there, according to documents filed with the court by the plaintiffs in his civil trial.

There was, for instance, the deal for O.J. Simpson birthday cards that came with an audio greeting from Simpson himself.

He also inked deals to sign thousands of trading cards, pre-paid calling cards and football helmets, both full-sized and miniature, and lent his name or image to such things as statues, gold medallions and a limited edition set of color lithographs.

And all this was in addition to his much-publicized deals to co-write the jailhouse tome "I Want to Tell You" and to star in his own video, "O.J. Simpson: The Interview."

Some money-making opportunities have yet to be finalized. A witness at Simpson's civil trial said Simpson was trying to sell the suit he wore the day he was acquitted of murder charges.

Simpson also has applied for trademarks for scores of goods yet to be produced, including, of all things, cutlery.

In total, plaintiffs estimated, Simpson already has made nearly $3 million off the publicity linked to charges he slashed to death his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman on June 12, 1994.

Simpson's post-murder earning potential is among the issues the jurors in his wrongful death trial have to consider when they return Monday to decide punitive damages. The panel already has levied $8.5 million against Simpson in compensatory damages.

The plaintiffs argue that Simpson possesses an infamous asset in the form of his name, worth nearly $25 million, and that he can count on reaping $2 million to $3 million a year, primarily by signing his name to cards and memorabilia.

Simpson's people say his signature isn't worth the ink it's printed in, and that he stands to make next to nothing because of the stigma from the two trials.

Still, Simpson's chief money-man, Leroy "Skip" Taft, has been busy since the murders trying to turn a buck, sometimes at the expense of good taste.

Here are some of the deals Simpson entered into after the killings, although it's uncertain how much of the promised money he has actually received, according to a report by a plaintiff's expert:

- Post-verdict photos. A $1 million deal with Polaris and American Media on Nov. 19, 1995, called for $200,000 for "The First Day Photographs," $350,000 for "The Family Photographs," $350,000 for "The Vacation Photographs" and $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs."

The first-day and family pictures turned up in the Star tabloid. The others, including the cemetery pictures, apparently were never taken or sold.

Book. Polaris, through the services of author Lawrence Schiller, agreed in November 1994 to write Simpson's book. Simpson got a $1 million advance and was promised 15% royalties for the hardcover and 10% paperback royalties. He also was to get bonuses if the book made The New York Times best-seller list.
Birthday cards. A one-year contract signed March 27, 1995, while Simpson was still in jail, called for "facsimile birthday cards that contained an audiotape greeting from Mr. Simpson." For this Simpson would get a $15,000 license fee, an advance of $17,500 and 15% royalties on the first $50,000 sold.
Medallions. About a year after the murders, Simpson entered into a one-year contract with Laurence Network Corp. to lend his name and likeness to 250,000 silver medallions and 25,000 gold medallions. He would get a $20,000 advance, plus a 20% royalty on the medallions.
Lithographs. In an August 1995 deal with J & E Enterprises, Simpson put his name on 2,000 limited edition lithograph prints from an original color drawing. He was promised a 25% royalty on the prints, which sold for $325 to $425 each, and got to keep the original.
Autographs. Simpson entered into eight contracts to sign trading cards, memorabilia and little cards that were attached to such items as jerseys and helmets.
By The Associated Press

Thats pretty good money.

If memory serves me correctly some members of Nicoles family sold some pictures of her also. imo

[martin II]

Good job, weezer. Did they ever determine if the Rolex was a fake? I've read different accounts of that. Simpson must spend most of his time scheming to make money and figure out how to hide it from Fred Goldman. I have no doubt he's made a lot of money that Mr. Goldman will never see or know about. I still think the loss of the book rights was part of the reason he decided to go after what he called his "s**t. IMO, it was like the night he knew it was over with Paula and Nicole both and he flipped out.

The judge returned the watch to oj.

[martin II]

Friday, October 29, 2004
OJ Simpson's Sports Memorabilia Income Scrutinized

OJ Simpson's attorney was on Fox News the other night being interviewed about Simpson not reporting income from autograph signings. Rumour has it that there is over $1 million dollars in autograph fees that OJ has not reported.

Alfred Beardsley is in the news because he recently planned and cancelled an autograph show that was supposed to be at Frank & Sons in the City of Industry, CA. Mercury News reports that Beardsley may have some control over some of Simpson's property.

According to OJ's attorney, anything OJ makes in the state of Florida is non-attachable.


Wonder who is responsible for the rumor?

[martin II]

Good job, weezer. Did they ever determine if the Rolex was a fake? I've read different accounts of that. Simpson must spend most of his time scheming to make money and figure out how to hide it from Fred Goldman. I have no doubt he's made a lot of money that Mr. Goldman will never see or know about. I still think the loss of the book rights was part of the reason he decided to go after what he called his "s**t. IMO, it was like the night he knew it was over with Paula and Nicole both and he flipped out.

How much money did fred make from that book?

[martin II]

Simpson Banned From Strip Hotels
MGM, Harrah's, Palms, Mirage Ask Juice To Go Elsewhere

POSTED: 7:05 pm EST November 5, 2007
UPDATED: 8:04 pm EST November 5, 2007


LAS VEGAS -- O.J. Simpson may have a hard time finding a place to stay in Las Vegas this week. It appears Simpson has worn out his welcome at several hotels.

The Review-Journal reported that the MGM, Mirage, Harrah's and the Palms prefer that Simpson go elsewhere.

Before Simpson was arrested in connection with the sports memorabilia grab at Palace Station, he was staying at the Palms.

Simpson is expected back in Las Vegas Thursday for a pretrial hearing. He, Charles Ehrlich and Clarence Stewart are facing more than 10 felony charges, including coercion, kidnapping and armed robbery.

Three other co-defendants -- Walter Alexander, Charles Cashmore and Michael McClinton -- have accepted plea deals and will testify against Simpson, Ehrlich and Stewart.


There must be 200 or more nice hotels in vagas.

[tv]

How much money did fred make from that book?No idea, but it's not about the money, it's about making OJ Simspon suffer.

[tv]

The judge returned the watch to oj.Thanks, martin. I wonder where he was keeping the real one?

[martin II]

No idea, but it's not about the money, it's about making OJ Simspon suffer.

Fighting in court to get the rights, Hiring a publisher and going on tv to promote the sale of the book looks like an attempt to make money to me.Otherwise he could have just burned the rights to the book and it would have all been over.NAW. It is about money. imo

[martin II]

Thanks, martin. I wonder where he was keeping the real one?

now you know oj cannot afford a real rolex watch.:cool:

[William Anthony]

Whatever happened to what's done in Vegas stays in Vegas?

[martin II]

Whatever happened to what's done in Vegas stays in Vegas?

I wondered the same but looks like there may be a lot of old stale news laying around in vagas.imo

[William Anthony]

I wondered the same but looks like there may be a lot of old stale news laying around in vagas.imo

Is the title of this thread Simpson catches the thieves in Vegas? :)

[tv]

now you know oj cannot afford a real rolex watch.:cool:He could if he used the money in his off-shore accounts you said he has. :cool:

[tv]

Is the title of this thread Simpson catches the thieves in Vegas? :)William, if you look at the top of the thread you'll see the name of the thread is Follow the Money all the way to Vegas. :)

[tv]

Whatever happened to what's done in Vegas stays in Vegas?Pssst....that's a myth. ;)

[William Anthony]

William, if you look at the top of the thread you'll see the name of the thread is Follow the Money all the way to Vegas. :)

Maybe we should rename it. :)

[William Anthony]

Pssst....that's a myth. ;)

I see. :cool:

[tv]

Maybe we should rename it. :)I believe only the original thread starter can do that. Why don't you ask her? I'm sure she'll love the idea.

[William Anthony]

I believe only the original thread starter can do that. Why don't you ask her? I'm sure she'll love the idea.

As they say around the card tables in Vegas, I'll stay.

[tv]

Is the title of this thread Simpson catches the thieves in Vegas? :)I see you've already made up your mind that Simpson is not guilty. Interesting.

[William Anthony]

I see you've already made up your mind that Simpson is not guilty. Interesting.

I think I told you that I adhere to the presumption of innocence.

[martin II]

He could if he used the money in his off-shore accounts you said he has. :cool:

psssst------- that is a secrete.
you see anything wrong with a man owning two watches?

[martin II]

I believe only the original thread starter can do that. Why don't you ask her? I'm sure she'll love the idea.

If anything in the first post is accurate maby it should be something like "follow the money into oj simpsons pocket."

[tv]

psssst------- that is a secrete.
you see anything wrong with a man owning two watches?No, but I see something wrong with being ordered by a judge to turn over an expensive watch and sending a cheap one in it's place.

[tv]

I think I told you that I adhere to the presumption of innocence.Then you should withhold judgement on whether or not the memorabilia dealers are thieves. Don't they also deserve the presumption of innocence?

[William Anthony]

Correction-Is the title of this thread Simpson catches the alleged thieves in Vegas?

[martin II]

No, but I see something wrong with being ordered by a judge to turn over an expensive watch and sending a cheap one in it's place.

prove thats what happened.

[tv]

prove thats what happened.Prove that it didn't.

[martin II]

Then you should withhold judgement on whether or not the memorabilia dealers are thieves. Don't they also deserve the presumption of innocence?

Fromong said 'MIKE STOLE IT' so i guess they were just trying to sell stolen goods.imo

[tv]

Correction-Is the title of this thread Simpson catches the alleged thieves in Vegas?Much better but I think you should have referred to Simpson as the alleged armed robber.

[tv]

Fromong said 'MIKE STOLE IT' so i guess they were just trying to sell stolen goods.imoI thought the word he used was "took". Then Simpson agreed that he knew Mike had it so why did he think it would be there?

[William Anthony]

Much better but I think you should have referred to Simpson as the alleged armed robber.

How about this? Simpson catches alleged thieves in Vegas in an alleged armed robbery.

[martin II]

Prove that it didn't.

you posted what happened.

[tv]

How about this? Simpson catches alleged thieves in Vegas in an alleged armed robbery.Nope, it makes the alleged thieves sound alleged armed robbers.

[martin II]

I thought the word he used was "took". Then Simpson agreed that he knew Mike had it so why did he think it would be there?

Because these fools told everyone they could find that they had oj's stuff for sale and the announcement got back to oj and he was pleased to finally locate his stuff.Which he did.

[martin II]

Two men transported stolen goods across state lines into a hotel in a effort to make a illegal sale of said stolen goods to the owner of the goods stolen from him and neither was arrestred for this activity.imo

[tv]

you posted what happened.No I didn't. You're the one that mentioned there was nothing wrong with owning two watches and I said it would be wrong to be asked by a judge to turn over a Rolex and send a cheap watch in it's place.

[tv]

Because these fools told everyone they could find that they had oj's stuff for sale and the announcement got back to oj and he was pleased to finally locate his stuff.Which he did.OJ Simpson's the one facing felony charges so who's the fool here? :biggrin:

[martin II]

No I didn't. You're the one that mentioned there was nothing wrong with owning two watches and I said it would be wrong to be asked by a judge to turn over a Rolex and send a cheap watch in it's place.

Prove he sent a cheap watch IN PLACE of the real one or prove that was a real one.

[tv]

Prove he sent a cheap watch IN PLACE of the real one or prove that was a real one.No. :D

[William Anthony]

Nope, it makes the alleged thieves sound alleged armed robbers.

How about this? In an alleged armed robbery Simpson catches alleged thieves.

[tv]

How about this? In an alleged armed robbery Simpson catches alleged thieves.I can live with it but it's not really accurate. I don't believe the people that you allege are thieves have been charged with that crime. :)

[martin II]

I can live with it but it's not really accurate. I don't believe the people that you allege are thieves have been charged with that crime. :)

How did they avoid stolen good charges is my question.

[martin II]

I can live with it but it's not really accurate. I don't believe the people that you allege are thieves have been charged with that crime. :)

The two of you should continue to work at it as i am confident you will find a more accurate title.:cool:

[William Anthony]

I can live with it but it's not really accurate. I don't believe the people that you allege are thieves have been charged with that crime. :)

I did not allege this; Simpson did and they claimed Mike stole the property.

[weezer]

How did they avoid stolen good charges is my question.

maybe orenthal couldn't prove it was his? I'm waiting for the trial where he shows proof of ownership and has to hand it over to satisfy the judgment -- :)

[weezer]

Thats pretty good money.

If memory serves me correctly some members of Nicoles family sold some pictures of her also. imo

could be -- I don't know what that has to do with orenthal's campaign to profit from butchering two human beings.

[weezer]

How much money did fred make from that book?

I've never quite understood why this bothers you. orenthal james simpson was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. orenthal james simpson was ordered to pay. orenthal james simpson owes the Goldmans and Brown Estate money. So what if they made money off his confession book?

[weezer]

There must be 200 or more nice hotels in vagas.

there's lots of hotels in 'vagas' and I'm sure orenthal will find a room. it just may not be what he believes he's entitled to. :D

[weezer]

As has been posted, OJ owes $33.5 million to the estates of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Where has any money that he has provided to fulfill his obligations gone to?
He is legally (yes he is!) required to pay that money to the above mentioned people's estates. As a law abiding and responsible member of the community, exactly what has he done to comply with this ruling? LV would appear to be an attempt, on his part, to get what he could of his long, long ago fame to hide it away so it wouldn't go towards paying his court ordered payout.

Excellent :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

there's lots of hotels in 'vagas' and I'm sure orenthal will find a room. it just may not be what he believes he's entitled to. :D

I would not worry about oj and hotel rooms.

[martin II]

As has been posted, OJ owes $33.5 million to the estates of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Where has any money that he has provided to fulfill his obligations gone to?
He is legally (yes he is!) required to pay that money to the above mentioned people's estates. As a law abiding and responsible member of the community, exactly what has he done to comply with this ruling? LV would appear to be an attempt, on his part, to get what he could of his long, long ago fame to hide it away so it wouldn't go towards paying his court ordered payout.

The $33 mil is out of reach and will never be paid.That is the reality.imo

[martin II]

I've never quite understood why this bothers you. orenthal james simpson was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. orenthal james simpson was ordered to pay. orenthal james simpson owes the Goldmans and Brown Estate money. So what if they made money off his confession book?

Freds purpose of publishing and selling the book was to make money. The reasonable next question is how much money did he make after all the effort.imo

[weezer]

Freds purpose of publishing and selling the book was to make money. The reasonable next question is how much money did he make after all the effort.imo

so what? it was their's to make money from.

[weezer]

The $33 mil is out of reach and will never be paid.That is the reality.imo

I think the Goldmans and Brown Estate just want to make sure orenthal stays current on his payments. :tongue:

[weezer]

I would not worry about oj and hotel rooms.

oh gosh -- I'm not worried -- I'm not going to be in town. I would hope they'd hide the steak knives though. :eek:

[martin II]

so what? it was their's to make money from.

When the rights were given to fred his lawyers projected large profits from fred selling the book.Lots of fred driven publicity about the book.But very little has been reported on the success or failure of that venture.With fred receiving only .17 per book sold, the question is, who took what and what was fred left with.imo

[martin II]

so what? it was their's to make money from.

at .17 per book it looks like fred got the short end.

[martin II]

oh gosh -- I'm not worried -- I'm not going to be in town. I would hope they'd hide the steak knives though. :eek:

You posted the info about oj and the hotel, so seems like some interest to me.

[weezer]

When the rights were given to fred his lawyers projected large profits from fred selling the book.Lots of fred driven publicity about the book.But very little has been reported on the success or failure of that venture.With fred receiving only .17 per book sold, the question is, who took what and what was fred left with.imo

what difference does it make who got what? we know that it didn't sell enough to satisfy the judgment. I haven't heard the Goldmans, Brown Estate or any of the attorneys complain about it. I guess for some, satisfaction comes from knowing that the Butcher of Brentwood and at least one of his co-conspirators didn't profit from the confession book. imo

[weezer]

You posted the info about oj and the hotel, so seems like some interest to me.

WTH? I posted info on orenthal and 'vagas'. I could give a rat's behind if he sleeps in his car.

[weezer]

at .17 per book it looks like fred got the short end.

looks like it unless you factor in that orenthal james simpson -- the Butcher of Brentwood -- and at least one of his co-conpirators didn't even get that. imo

[martin II]

looks like it unless you factor in that orenthal james simpson -- the Butcher of Brentwood -- and at least one of his co-conpirators didn't even get that. imo

WRONG

Oj received about $1,000,000. The ghost writer received $100,000 plus.
Freds lawyers, the publisher and the retailers took all of the $24.00 retail price but .17 which they left for fred.imo

[weezer]

WRONG

Oj received about $1,000,000. The ghost writer received $100,000 plus.
Freds lawyers, the publisher and the retailers took all of the $24.00 retail price but .17 which they left for fred.imo

I still don't know why this gives you heartburn. wonder how much income tax orenthal paid on that $1,000,000? :eek: and do you think he shared any of it with his co-conspirator?

[martin II]

I still don't know why this gives you heartburn. wonder how much income tax orenthal paid on that $1,000,000? :eek: and do you think he shared any of it with his co-conspirator?

Arnell is not aware that you take such joy in mentioning her in your post. imo hahaha

[martin II]

WTH? I posted info on orenthal and 'vagas'. I could give a rat's behind if he sleeps in his car.

Weezer
See your post # 12 above.

[weezer]

Arnell is not aware that you take such joy in mentioning her in your post. imo hahaha

so you think arnelle is a co-conspirator too? go figure. just as I was beginning to think that you and I would never agree on anything.

[weezer]

Weezer
See your post # 12 above.

my #12 post:

"Simpson Banned From Strip Hotels
MGM, Harrah's, Palms, Mirage Ask Juice To Go Elsewhere

POSTED: 7:05 pm EST November 5, 2007
UPDATED: 8:04 pm EST November 5, 2007


LAS VEGAS -- O.J. Simpson may have a hard time finding a place to stay in Las Vegas this week. It appears Simpson has worn out his welcome at several hotels.

The Review-Journal reported that the MGM, Mirage, Harrah's and the Palms prefer that Simpson go elsewhere.

Before Simpson was arrested in connection with the sports memorabilia grab at Palace Station, he was staying at the Palms.

Simpson is expected back in Las Vegas Thursday for a pretrial hearing. He, Charles Ehrlich and Clarence Stewart are facing more than 10 felony charges, including coercion, kidnapping and armed robbery.

Three other co-defendants -- Walter Alexander, Charles Cashmore and Michael McClinton -- have accepted plea deals and will testify against Simpson, Ehrlich and Stewart."

[weezer]

"And so the mystery goes: What in that room could have been so valuable that Simpson would risk jail time to get it?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302220.html

[weezer]

"So what was it Simpson was after in Vegas?

According to the manifest released last week by the Las Vegas Police Department, there were a couple of hundred signed pictures of Simpson and 10 specially inscribed footballs. The pictures are pretty much worthless.

The footballs are another matter.

"One (1) inflated 'Wilson' brown leather football bearing 'Juice 1000 YDS. 10-29-1973. Bills 23 Chiefs 14. O.J. Simpson,' " reads one entry. This would be a game or commemorative ball noting when Simpson topped the 1,000-yard mark for that season. There's a similar one from when he scored four touchdowns in a game against New England in 1975, and one that reads: "For OJ Simpson from Detroit Lions Nov. 25, 1976. NFL Record 273 YDS Rushing." This would be, if proven authentic, a game or commemorative ball from when Simpson set what was then the league's single-game rushing record.

Let's go back to Hitt, the football price guide analyst, at Beckett's.

If real, the balls might be worth about $1,000 to $3,000 each, with the rushing record ball going for as much as $5,000. Taken cumulatively, those 10 balls might fetch $20,000 or $30,000 at auction.

"There are serious collectors of game-used, one-of-a-kind equipment, which is a hot sector of the market right now, and those balls would sell," Hitt says.

If Simpson could prove to the court they belonged to him, he might actually claim them -- only to see them reclaimed by Fred Goldman, father of one of the deceased. Simpson owes him, at this point, $38 million, which is gaining $10,000 per day in interest, for a civil judgment that held Simpson responsible for the murders.

And here is the final irony: Even if Goldman gets them, the balls have been so downgraded because of Simpson's notoriety that they are worth a fraction of their former value, Hitt says.

"More than $1,000 for a football sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not in this market. If not for Simpson's legal troubles, a game-used ball by a Heisman winner and Hall of Famer, those balls would be worth two or three times as much."

O.J. Simpson, shorn of the magic he once possessed, is an emblem of the fact that the star athlete doesn't possess the magic, the fans give it to him. The fan giveth, and the fan taketh away."

[weezer]

Wake up, O.J. Simpson: Only you think you're untouchable

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/09/19/2007-09-19_wake_up_oj_simpson_only_you_think_youre_.html

[martin II]

so you think arnelle is a co-conspirator too? go figure. just as I was beginning to think that you and I would never agree on anything.

Again, you are twisting my words.

[martin II]

"And so the mystery goes: What in that room could have been so valuable that Simpson would risk jail time to get it?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302220.html

I would guess the same value as fred thinks it has as he is still trying to get whatever was in that room.

[weezer]

I would guess the same value as fred thinks it has as he is still trying to get whatever was in that room.

why are you so defensive about this? don't you believe that orenthal should pay his judgment?

[weezer]

Again, you are twisting my words.

was I? hmmmm -- I don't see where I named orenthal's co-conspirator. you did. :eek:

[martin II]

why are you so defensive about this? don't you believe that orenthal should pay his judgment?

It is not for me to speak on what another person should do with his money.oj did make a comment simular to 'I did not do the crime and i will not pay a dime"

[weezer]

It is not for me to speak on what another person should do with his money.oj did make a comment simular to 'I did not do the crime and i will not pay a dime"

oh but you can denigrate the Goldmans for going after what the law has allowed them to punish the murderer of their son and brother? the little saying you posted and attribute to orenthal reflects exactly his mentality and arrogance. imo

it is not up to him to decide whether or not he will pay for his crime -- it has been decided by a court of law.

[weezer]

". . .So the media has spent countless hours talking about O.J. Simpson's latest--potentially being the ringleader in an armed robbery that involved taking items from a sports memorabilia store in Las Vegas. But I still haven't seen a complete list of what he stole. You see, I'm trying to figure out just how great these items were because they'd have to be pretty awesome.

Here's what we know so far from media reports: A signed photo of Simpson and the late FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, footballs and photographs signed by Simpson, photos of his children, baseballs signed by Duke Snider and Pete Rose, a set of cleats worn by Joe Montana, his Hall of Fame certificate and--according to the New York Post--the suit he wore when he was found not guilty of murdering Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. The only thing that is one-of-a-kind is that suit. Its probably one of the best items that I've heard of short of Al Cowlings White Bronco (a.k.a. "The Getaway Car"), which Cowlings sold to one of his buddies for $75,000. That suit could be worth six figures, but everything else that has been published is not unique enough to matter. . ."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20820113

[martin II]

". . .So the media has spent countless hours talking about O.J. Simpson's latest--potentially being the ringleader in an armed robbery that involved taking items from a sports memorabilia store in Las Vegas. But I still haven't seen a complete list of what he stole. You see, I'm trying to figure out just how great these items were because they'd have to be pretty awesome.

Here's what we know so far from media reports: A signed photo of Simpson and the late FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, footballs and photographs signed by Simpson, photos of his children, baseballs signed by Duke Snider and Pete Rose, a set of cleats worn by Joe Montana, his Hall of Fame certificate and--according to the New York Post--the suit he wore when he was found not guilty of murdering Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. The only thing that is one-of-a-kind is that suit. Its probably one of the best items that I've heard of short of Al Cowlings White Bronco (a.k.a. "The Getaway Car"), which Cowlings sold to one of his buddies for $75,000. That suit could be worth six figures, but everything else that has been published is not unique enough to matter. . ."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20820113


This is really comical.
Your post above seems to be in conflict with your first post on the value of oj's signature or STUFF. However if your above post is accurate, then the civil jury overestimated ojs earning potential for selling his STUFF and the judgement was quite excessive.imo

[weezer]

This is really comical.
Your post above seems to be in conflict with your first post on the value of oj's signature or STUFF. However if your above post is accurate, then the civil jury overestimated ojs earning potential for selling his STUFF and the judgement was quite excessive.imo

martin, the posts are from articles about orenthal's 'stuff' -- the parts dealing with their worth is not important. I think it is interesting to try to figure out what 'stuff' orenthal was going after and what 'stuff' was actually in the room he robbed.

one of the articles mentions a manifest that was attached to the court documents. I gather from the article that the manifest lists what was in the room -- anyone seen it?

[William Anthony]

martin, the posts are from articles about orenthal's 'stuff' -- the parts dealing with their worth is not important. I think it is interesting to try to figure out what 'stuff' orenthal was going after and what 'stuff' was actually in the room he robbed.

one of the articles mentions a manifest that was attached to the court documents. I gather from the article that the manifest lists what was in the room -- anyone seen it?

With all due respect, I think we should say from the men in the room that was allegedly robbed.

[martin II]

martin, the posts are from articles about orenthal's 'stuff' -- the parts dealing with their worth is not important. I think it is interesting to try to figure out what 'stuff' orenthal was going after and what 'stuff' was actually in the room he robbed.

one of the articles mentions a manifest that was attached to the court documents. I gather from the article that the manifest lists what was in the room -- anyone seen it?

If your last post is accurate, then the civil jury just overstated OjSimpsons
signature and STUFF value and just about made it impossible for fred to get paid. The award seems to have been given with the intent to punish more that allow fred to collect.The $33 mil will never be paid and it just a dream to believe it will.imo

[martin II]

martin, the posts are from articles about orenthal's 'stuff' -- the parts dealing with their worth is not important. I think it is interesting to try to figure out what 'stuff' orenthal was going after and what 'stuff' was actually in the room he robbed.

one of the articles mentions a manifest that was attached to the court documents. I gather from the article that the manifest lists what was in the room -- anyone seen it?

What is the souce of that article a BLOG ?
I guess the people selling stolen goods, oj and fred were just interested in some junk. right?hahaha

[weezer]

What is the souce of that article a BLOG ?
I guess the people selling stolen goods, oj and fred were just interested in some junk. right?hahaha

had you read the articles I posted, you would have known they were from reputable news sites --

I don't have a clue what your 'hahaha' refers to.

[tv]

If your last post is accurate, then the civil jury just overstated OjSimpsons
signature and STUFF value and just about made it impossible for fred to get paid. The award seems to have been given with the intent to punish more that allow fred to collect.The $33 mil will never be paid and it just a dream to believe it will.imoDo you think because he can't pay ALL of it that he shouldn't pay ANY of it?

[weezer]

If your last post is accurate, then the civil jury just overstated OjSimpsons
signature and STUFF value and just about made it impossible for fred to get paid. The award seems to have been given with the intent to punish more that allow fred to collect.The $33 mil will never be paid and it just a dream to believe it will.imo

Oh I think the Goldmans and Browns dream would be that orenthal would receive punishment for murdering two human beings. But, since that doesn't look like it will happen, I guess orenthal being miserable and broke works. imo

[martin II]

Do you think because he can't pay ALL of it that he shouldn't pay ANY of it?

That is for oj to decide. Not me as it is not my money.

[martin II]

had you read the articles I posted, you would have known they were from reputable news sites --

I don't have a clue what your 'hahaha' refers to.

So which one is accurate.The stuff has value or the stuff is worthless?

[tv]

That is for oj to decide. Not me as it is not my money.I was asking for your opinion not for you to make a decision for OJ Simpson. You seem to have no problem commenting on Fred Goldman's finances.

[martin II]

I was asking for your opinion not for you to make a decision for OJ Simpson. You seem to have no problem commenting on Fred Goldman's finances.

I have commented on freds money grab. not how he spends what ever he has received from oj.Got that.

[tv]

I have commented on freds money grab. not how he spends what ever he has received from oj.Got that.No, I don't got that. Saying 'fred's money grab' is just another example of how you speak about Fred Goldman every chance you get. He simply wants what he's legally entitled to under the law unlike that money grubbing daughter of Simpson's wanting to get FREE money from a book she didn't write about her slaughtered stepmother. Personally, I don't care if Fred Goldman never gets a cent as long as he keeps OJ Simpson's feet to the fire for the rest of his life. If Simpson outlives Mr. Goldman then there's always Kim Goldman. One thing for sure Simpson can't take it with him.

[martin II]

It is difficult to defend the indefensible. Simpson was found liable in a court of law for the deaths of 2 people. Nothing there for you to argue about. It is what it is. The law. So, you bring the families of the murdered people into the discussion because you can't argue with the fact that he has been ordered to pay restitution for their deaths. So, let's attack the families. That will make Simpson, once again, a victim. IYO

Stating the facts of the issue is not attacking anyone. It is fair to comment on all parties to the issue and their activities unless one is only interestred in 1/2 of the issue.

martin II

[martin II]

No, I don't got that. Saying 'fred's money grab' is just another example of how you speak about Fred Goldman every chance you get. He simply wants what he's legally entitled to under the law unlike that money grubbing daughter of Simpson's wanting to get FREE money from a book she didn't write about her slaughtered stepmother. Personally, I don't care if Fred Goldman never gets a cent as long as he keeps OJ Simpson's feet to the fire for the rest of his life. If Simpson outlives Mr. Goldman then there's always Kim Goldman. One thing for sure Simpson can't take it with him.

Fred is open to discussion just as everyone else is and i have no problem with you expressing your opinions on oj and his family members, lawyers etc.

[martin II]

Let me try to understand what you are saying. The Goldman and Brown families are party to Simpson's 'alleged' activities in LV?

WRONG

I will try again.

Every principle in the case has made public statements, appeared in public and stated their individual positions as it pertains to the past case and the verdicts.Fred has made many tv appearances stating his positions and reporting on his current actrivities.
In this specific case after the criminal veridct, he stated that he only wanted justice. Many believe he received that with the civil trial verdict. In many tv appearances and interviews he had said his activities were not about money.

His activity and the activity of his lawyers in the many court efforts including his fight for that book rights and his publishing of the book for profit indicates that it is about the money.
So yes his activities post trials, like ojs are open for review and comment.imo

[martin II]

This thread is about Simpson. Not anyone else. 'Fred is open to discussion?" You've got to be kidding!!! He hasn't been ordered by a court to pay $33 million for the wrongful murder of 2 people. Reality check please!!!

Reality check is that you are entitled to your opinions.:cool:

[Kate Sachel]

It is difficult to defend the indefensible. Simpson was found liable in a court of law for the deaths of 2 people. Nothing there for you to argue about. It is what it is. The law. So, you bring the families of the murdered people into the discussion because you can't argue with the fact that he has been ordered to pay restitution for their deaths. So, let's attack the families. That will make Simpson, once again, a victim. IYO

I really enjoyed this post and agree completely. Thank you for seeing it for what it is.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Stating the facts of the issue is not attacking anyone. It is fair to comment on all parties to the issue and their activities unless one is only interestred in 1/2 of the issue.

martin II

Except for the fact that you don't just state the facts, you speak disparagingly about Fred every opportunity that you can seize; in fact, you appear to take pleasure in such.

Kate

[martin II]

No. Not my opinion. He was found liable in a court of law. He is legally obliged to pay the estates of Brown and Goldman $33 million. There is no reality check about that. That is the law. Simpson, as a good and law abiding member of the community, should take care of his responsibilities.

I agree that Oj was found liable and a judgement for about $19 mil was entered.So Fred has a legal judgement against oj.

The balance of your post i consider your opinion.imo

[tv]

I agree that Oj was found liable and a judgement for about $19 mil was entered.So Fred has a legal judgement against oj.

The balance of your post i consider your opinion.imo

The judgement was 33.5 million. Mr. Goldman's award was 19 million to begin with and is over 38 million now. I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you consider it only 'opinion' the OJ Simpson should take care of his responsibilities.

[martin II]

The judgement was 33.5 million. Mr. Goldman's award was 19 million to begin with and is over 38 million now. I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you consider it only 'opinion' the OJ Simpson should take care of his responsibilities.

'OJ should take care of his responsibilities" is a personal opinion about what oj should do expressed by a poster.

[tv]

'OJ should take care of his responsibilities" is a personal opinion about what oj should do expressed by a poster.Okay, martin, but I think everyone should abide by the law and that would include Simpson's legal obligation to the Goldman and Brown families.

[martin II]

The judgement was 33.5 million. Mr. Goldman's award was 19 million to begin with and is over 38 million now. I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you consider it only 'opinion' the OJ Simpson should take care of his responsibilities.

Agreed on the current judgement.Every day it gets further and further out of possibilities of payment.

[martin II]

Okay, martin, but I think everyone should abide by the law and that would include Simpson's legal obligation to the Goldman and Brown families.

Most civil juegements are never paid. SO----

[martin II]

The judgement was 33.5 million. Mr. Goldman's award was 19 million to begin with and is over 38 million now. I find it interesting, but not surprising, that you consider it only 'opinion' the OJ Simpson should take care of his responsibilities.

I doubt that many would sell their homes and withdraw their children from school just to pay that type judgement. Considering that the judgement is beyond reach for payment, i consider it silly that people continue to say he should pay the $38 mil to fred.He should pay the judgement to fred. Seems like there is some distance from reality in that statement.What is the benefit
demanding something that is impossible to obtain.imo

[tv]

I doubt that many would sell their homes and withdraw their children from school just to pay that type judgement. Considering that the judgement is beyond reach for payment, i consider it silly that people continue to say he should pay the $38 mil to fred.He should pay the judgement to fred. Seems like there is some distance from reality in that statement.What is the benefit
demanding something that is impossible to obtain.imoI'm sure you're right. Mr. Goldman should just get over OJ Simpson butchering his son like an animal and forgive, forget and move on. After all, it's been 14 years...shouldn't he just accept the bad hand he's been dealt? :rolleyes:

[martin II]

I'm sure you're right. Mr. Goldman should just get over OJ Simpson butchering his son like an animal and forgive, forget and move on. After all, it's been 14 years...shouldn't he just accept the bad hand he's been dealt? :rolleyes:

Fred has no reason to forgive or forget. But i believe he would be able to have a more peaceful life if he at least extracted himself from this active search,tv appearances chasing that judgement money.The money will not change his opinion that he believes oj killed his son and the money will not bring ron back. But to force himself to live a life of anger and hate i believe is counterproductive to him.He should try to release himself from this burden. Right now he is kinda standing still maby in pain.imo
People are dealt bad hands daily. Fred is not the only one.

[tv]

Fred has no reason to forgive or forget. But i believe he would be able to have a more peaceful life if he at least extracted himself from this active search,tv appearances chasing that judgement money.The money will not change his opinion that he believes oj killed his son and the money will not bring ron back. But to force himself to live a life of anger and hate i believe is counterproductive to him.He should try to release himself from this burden. Right now he is kinda standing still maby in pain.imo
People are dealt bad hands daily. Fred is not the only one.Everyone has their cross to bear...take OJ Simpson...if he hadn't been angry about what he considered to rightfully belong to him and stormed into the LV hotel room he wouldn't be in the jam he's in now. He should have just stayed in Florida and lived a peaceful life off of his pension. See where chasing that memorabilia got him?

[martin II]

Everyone has their cross to bear...take OJ Simpson...if he hadn't been angry about what he considered to rightfully belong to him and stormed into the LV hotel room he wouldn't be in the jam he's in now. He should have just stayed in Florida and lived a peaceful life off of his pension. See where chasing that memorabilia got him?

It was mistake for oj to go to the hotel as he did. it could have been done another way that would not have exposed him.But he believed the guy that arranged to take him there and that was a mistake.imo

Fred could arrange to have a more peaceful life than waking up daily with oj on his mind.imo

[SlowHandSam]

Most civil juegements are never paid. SO----

Just because "most" people and oj shirk their responsibilities by not paying their debts, does not make it right. The fact that these people have such a low level of responsibility and accountability only adds to the fact that they are unwilling to do the right thing.

Had oj made an attempt to pay on the 19M judgment, I'm sure people would feel differently about it now growing to 38M. It's no one's fault but his own that it's been compounded with insurance.

But then again, oj likes to be in control or think he's in control and this is just one other way to stick it to the families, imo.

[SlowHandSam]

Everyone has their cross to bear...take OJ Simpson...if he hadn't been angry about what he considered to rightfully belong to him and stormed into the LV hotel room he wouldn't be in the jam he's in now. He should have just stayed in Florida and lived a peaceful life off of his pension. See where chasing that memorabilia got him?

it's the ego that got him there. He thinks he's above everyone and everything.

He could very well have lived comfortably off his pension (which I recall was a crap load of money per month) but he made a conscious decision to break the law. He should pay that price.

[SlowHandSam]

Fred has no reason to forgive or forget. But i believe he would be able to have a more peaceful life if he at least extracted himself from this active search,tv appearances chasing that judgement money.The money will not change his opinion that he believes oj killed his son and the money will not bring ron back. But to force himself to live a life of anger and hate i believe is counterproductive to him.He should try to release himself from this burden. Right now he is kinda standing still maby in pain.imo
People are dealt bad hands daily. Fred is not the only one.

There are many things that could be used, in a positive manner, in Ron's memory with that money. It isn't about changing an opinion, it's hitting somewhere where it will "hurt" and people like oj ... it's money.

"still maby [sic] in pain" ? wth, do you really think he doesn't hurt for his butchered and murdered son every day knowing that his murderer is living his life in luxury without ramifications? Right.

And I agree, a lot of people are dealt bad hands every single day. Unfortunately, most of those aren't done and then broadcast out for the world to consume and then have their murderer go free all because of his supposed celebrity.

[socaldiva]

*snip* But to force himself to live a life of anger and hate


Fred didn't "force" that on himself, OJ forced it on Fred when he slashed Ron to death. :no:

[weezer]

It was mistake for oj to go to the hotel as he did. it could have been done another way that would not have exposed him.But he believed the guy that arranged to take him there and that was a mistake.imo

Fred could arrange to have a more peaceful life than waking up daily with oj on his mind.imo

ahhh - I can read the caring in your post martin. . . .so kind of you. . .

hey, maybe if 'Fred' got a mule and 40 acres he'd feel better and 'get over it.'. what do you think?

:cuss:

[martin II]

ahhh - I can read the caring in your post martin. . . .so kind of you. . .

hey, maybe if 'Fred' got a mule and 40 acres he'd feel better and 'get over it.'. what do you think?

:cuss:

Because of his family tree and color i am not aware that any of them were promised a 'MULE AND 40 ACRES" So i don't know what your intent is by that comment. But who knows.

[martin II]

it's the ego that got him there. He thinks he's above everyone and everything.

He could very well have lived comfortably off his pension (which I recall was a crap load of money per month) but he made a conscious decision to break the law. He should pay that price.

What i am thinking is that it may be easy for one that does not have that kind of judgement against them to say what the person that does, should do.:cool:

[martin II]

There are many things that could be used, in a positive manner, in Ron's memory with that money. It isn't about changing an opinion, it's hitting somewhere where it will "hurt" and people like oj ... it's money.

"still maby [sic] in pain" ? wth, do you really think he doesn't hurt for his butchered and murdered son every day knowing that his murderer is living his life in luxury without ramifications? Right.

And I agree, a lot of people are dealt bad hands every single day. Unfortunately, most of those aren't done and then broadcast out for the world to consume and then have their murderer go free all because of his supposed celebrity.

If the intent for the rest of his life is only to inflict pain on the person he believes killed his son then he is on tract.If it is to live relatively pain free and happy, then imo he needs to choose another path.

martin II

[martin II]

ahhh - I can read the caring in your post martin. . . .so kind of you. . .

hey, maybe if 'Fred' got a mule and 40 acres he'd feel better and 'get over it.'. what do you think?

:cuss:

What i think is that i am puzzled as to why you mentioned something promised freed American slaves(40 acres and a mule) in the context of Fred.

[William Anthony]

ahhh - I can read the caring in your post martin. . . .so kind of you. . .

hey, maybe if 'Fred' got a mule and 40 acres he'd feel better and 'get over it.'. what do you think?

:cuss:

I am amazed to see this post, since so many protested any mention of reparations on the other thread. Perhaps, you feel that it is more appropriate for discussion on this thread. If so, I do not think that the court promised that Goldman would receive the damages; only that the damages were awarded to him. The Government has made many promises to blacks, imho, especially since the time they were considered to be human, even though not equal to whites, that the Government has failed to fulfill, imho. How much do you think it is worth to the off-spring of a race that helped build America on free and forced labor, paid the ultimate sacrifice so that America's white citizens could enjoy the full blessings of America's liberty, justice and prosperity, had their ancestors either maimed, murdered, raped, beaten, abused, and suffered political, social, educational, financial inequalities and disparity based solely on the color of their skin? I think 33 million each sounds about right.

[martin II]

I am amazed to see this post, since so many protested any mention of reparations on the other thread. Perhaps, you feel that it is more appropriate for discussion on this thread. If so, I do not think that the court promised that Goldman would receive the damages; only that the damages were awarded to him. The Government has made many promises to blacks, imho, especially since the time they were considered to be human, even though not equal to whites, that the Government has failed to fulfill, imho. How much do you think it is worth to the off-spring of a race that helped build America on free and forced labor, paid the ultimate sacrifice so that America's white citizens could enjoy the full blessings of America's liberty, justice and prosperity, had their ancestors either maimed, murdered, raped, beaten, abused, and suffered political, social, educational, financial inequalities and disparity based solely on the color of their skin? I think 33 million each sounds about right.


I am wondering if the posters intent was to make fun of a promise to freed slaves that America failed to keep.Maby she was not finished with the slavery discussion?

[SlowHandSam]

If the intent for the rest of his life is only to inflict pain on the person he believes killed his son then he is on tract.If it is to live relatively pain free and happy, then imo he needs to choose another path.

martin II

He's not on TRACK to make oj in pain. Good Lord. No matter what he does, he will probably not be pain free and "happy". His son was butchered, for cryin' out loud.

Tell me, Martin, just what "pain" is Fred inflicting on oj?

[martin II]

He's not on TRACK to make oj in pain. Good Lord. No matter what he does, he will probably not be pain free and "happy". His son was butchered, for cryin' out loud.

Tell me, Martin, just what "pain" is Fred inflicting on oj?


None in my opinion but you may want to read previous post by other posters.

[SlowHandSam]

None in my opinion but you may want to read previous post by other posters.

I responded to your post, not another's. If you do not share the opinion, then perhaps you shouldn't use it as an "argument" to respond to a post.

[martin II]

I responded to your post, not another's. If you do not share the opinion, then perhaps you shouldn't use it as an "argument" to respond to a post.

Sound like you are giving me your advice on what i should post.If so, them you may be off track.

[weezer]

my, my, my. Seems what should be done and how it should be reacted to takes on a whole different meaning depending on who believes they've been wronged and that they are owed something.

The Goldmans and the Browns suffered terrible losses. orenthal james simpson was found liable for the deaths of two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. orenthal james simpson was ordered to pay a penalty for those deaths. The same law that found him 'not guilty' in the criminal trial, found him liable in the civil trial.

[William Anthony]

my, my, my. Seems what should be done and how it should be reacted to takes on a whole different meaning depending on who believes they've been wronged and that they are owed something.

The Goldmans and the Browns suffered terrible losses. orenthal james simpson was found liable for the deaths of two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. orenthal james simpson was ordered to pay a penalty for those deaths. The same law that found him 'not guilty' in the criminal trial, found him liable in the civil trial.

I do not know to whom you refer when you say depending on who believes they have been wronged and owed something and the law. I have stated that I believe Simpson should pay the award for damages and that I could not find any fault with him using the law to avoid paying the award. I have said that I find no fault with Mr. Goldman pursuing all legal means to enforce the judgment. I feel the same way about black Americans, whose ancestors were enslaved in a system that allowed all sorts of atrocities, and whose ancestors and/or them faced disparate treatment in America. Don't you? Don't you think that your sentiments on Fred's rights equally apply to blacks?

[tv]

I am wondering if the posters intent was to make fun of a promise to freed slaves that America failed to keep.Maby she was not finished with the slavery discussion?

Uh oh, weezer hit a nerve. Please don't get started on your sob story again martin. You're not a freed slave...try to live your life peacfully and with no anger like you think Fred Goldman should do.

[William Anthony]

Uh oh, weezer hit a nerve. Please don't get started on your sob story again martin. You're not a freed slave...try to live your life peacfully and with no anger like you think Fred Goldman should do.

I see no anger in Martin's post. I see it more as an observation that the descendants of slaves have not received the equal treatment as other races that have suffered wrongs and an inquiry as to whether or not the poster thought that unfortunate inequality was in some manner comical.

[tv]

I see no anger in Martin's post. I see it more as an observation that the descendants of slaves have not received the equal treatment as other races that have suffered wrongs and an inquiry as to whether or not the poster thought that unfortunate inequality was in some manner comical.
:seeya:

[martin II]

Uh oh, weezer hit a nerve. Please don't get started on your sob story again martin. You're not a freed slave...try to live your life peacfully and with no anger like you think Fred Goldman should do.

maby she will tell the comminity what she meant by the comment and then you want have to cover.

[martin II]

my, my, my. Seems what should be done and how it should be reacted to takes on a whole different meaning depending on who believes they've been wronged and that they are owed something.

The Goldmans and the Browns suffered terrible losses. orenthal james simpson was found liable for the deaths of two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. orenthal james simpson was ordered to pay a penalty for those deaths. The same law that found him 'not guilty' in the criminal trial, found him liable in the civil trial.

can you explain the meaning of your "40 acres and a mule comment"?

[martin II]

Uh oh, weezer hit a nerve. Please don't get started on your sob story again martin. You're not a freed slave...try to live your life peacfully and with no anger like you think Fred Goldman should do.

I am positive that you do not understand.imo

[weezer]

my apologies to the board and other posters for inadvertently giving the 'I'm a victim' posters a platform.

Now, can we get back on the topic of orenthal james simpson, money, memorabilia, and Vegas?

[William Anthony]

my apologies to the board and other posters for inadvertently giving the 'I'm a victim' posters a platform.

Now, can we get back on the topic of orenthal james simpson, money, memorabilia, and Vegas?

As a member of this community, let me thank you for the obviously heart-felt apology and would only like to add that you did not give the platform and, imho, in this case you built it. smile.

[weezer]

02/10/97 - 09:00 AM ET - Simpson seeks cash in memorabilia
SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Dumped by Hertz and NBC, O.J. Simpson had to look elsewhere, anywhere, for money, and the journey for dollars led him to the oddest places - like a cemetery.

Among the 19 contracts Simpson signed after the killings of his ex-wife and her friend was a $1 million deal for post-verdict pictures of himself, including $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs," presumably taken at his ex-wife's grave.

The search didn't end there, according to documents filed with the court by the plaintiffs in his civil trial.

There was, for instance, the deal for O.J. Simpson birthday cards that came with an audio greeting from Simpson himself.

He also inked deals to sign thousands of trading cards, pre-paid calling cards and football helmets, both full-sized and miniature, and lent his name or image to such things as statues, gold medallions and a limited edition set of color lithographs.

And all this was in addition to his much-publicized deals to co-write the jailhouse tome "I Want to Tell You" and to star in his own video, "O.J. Simpson: The Interview."

Some money-making opportunities have yet to be finalized. A witness at Simpson's civil trial said Simpson was trying to sell the suit he wore the day he was acquitted of murder charges.

Simpson also has applied for trademarks for scores of goods yet to be produced, including, of all things, cutlery.

In total, plaintiffs estimated, Simpson already has made nearly $3 million off the publicity linked to charges he slashed to death his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman on June 12, 1994.

Simpson's post-murder earning potential is among the issues the jurors in his wrongful death trial have to consider when they return Monday to decide punitive damages. The panel already has levied $8.5 million against Simpson in compensatory damages.

The plaintiffs argue that Simpson possesses an infamous asset in the form of his name, worth nearly $25 million, and that he can count on reaping $2 million to $3 million a year, primarily by signing his name to cards and memorabilia.

Simpson's people say his signature isn't worth the ink it's printed in, and that he stands to make next to nothing because of the stigma from the two trials.

Still, Simpson's chief money-man, Leroy "Skip" Taft, has been busy since the murders trying to turn a buck, sometimes at the expense of good taste.

Here are some of the deals Simpson entered into after the killings, although it's uncertain how much of the promised money he has actually received, according to a report by a plaintiff's expert:

- Post-verdict photos. A $1 million deal with Polaris and American Media on Nov. 19, 1995, called for $200,000 for "The First Day Photographs," $350,000 for "The Family Photographs," $350,000 for "The Vacation Photographs" and $100,000 for "The Cemetery Photographs."

The first-day and family pictures turned up in the Star tabloid. The others, including the cemetery pictures, apparently were never taken or sold.

Book. Polaris, through the services of author Lawrence Schiller, agreed in November 1994 to write Simpson's book. Simpson got a $1 million advance and was promised 15% royalties for the hardcover and 10% paperback royalties. He also was to get bonuses if the book made The New York Times best-seller list.
Birthday cards. A one-year contract signed March 27, 1995, while Simpson was still in jail, called for "facsimile birthday cards that contained an audiotape greeting from Mr. Simpson." For this Simpson would get a $15,000 license fee, an advance of $17,500 and 15% royalties on the first $50,000 sold.
Medallions. About a year after the murders, Simpson entered into a one-year contract with Laurence Network Corp. to lend his name and likeness to 250,000 silver medallions and 25,000 gold medallions. He would get a $20,000 advance, plus a 20% royalty on the medallions.
Lithographs. In an August 1995 deal with J & E Enterprises, Simpson put his name on 2,000 limited edition lithograph prints from an original color drawing. He was promised a 25% royalty on the prints, which sold for $325 to $425 each, and got to keep the original.
Autographs. Simpson entered into eight contracts to sign trading cards, memorabilia and little cards that were attached to such items as jerseys and helmets.
By The Associated Press

[martin II]

I am pleased to read that you agree that Simpson should pay what is owed to the Goldman and Brown estates. :) However, since he has made no effort to do so, and it appears likely that he never will, then why this 'alleged' confrontation (I'll use Mr Anthony's adjective) in a LV room over sports memorabilia? 'Alleged', as Mr Anthony says, even though it's all on tape. Anyhoo. What could Simpson's motivation have been in making this 'alleged' visit to a hotel room? Money?

Can you show me a post where i said oj should pay the judgement as you claim above?

It is reported that oj was told that the goods in the hotel room was his STUFF and he went to the hotel room to get it.
Quite simple.

[martin II]

Those are your words. It's a quote. From your post.

It was made in context of the all of the comment. A repeat of the previous line. But maby it was not clear to you.

[William Anthony]

I am pleased to read that you agree that Simpson should pay what is owed to the Goldman and Brown estates. :) However, since he has made no effort to do so, and it appears likely that he never will, then why this 'alleged' confrontation (I'll use Mr Anthony's adjective) in a LV room over sports memorabilia? 'Alleged', as Mr Anthony says, even though it's all on tape. Anyhoo. What could Simpson's motivation have been in making this 'alleged' visit to a hotel room? Money?

I have said the Simpson should pay the judgment and I used the word alleged in connection with armed robbery and thieves, both of which there will be evidence of in the trial, imho. I do not know what you mean by even though it is on tape.
Yes, it's own tape that Simpson said he wanted his stuff. If you mean to say that is evidence of a lack of intent to commit robbery, I will not debate that.

[weezer]

Las Vegas Criminal Complaint:

http://www.knbc.com/download/2007/0918/14144472.pdf

[weezer]

Memorabilia at issue:
- Autographed sports collectibles
- Hall of Fame certificate
- Photograph with former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover
- Video from his first wedding
- Police aren't sure of ownership
- Seized at private residences were sports memorabilia (mostly signed by Simpson), collectible baseballs, Joe Montana cleats

http://www.knbc.com/interactivemedia/14115627/detail.html

[weezer]

The suspects used pillowcases and boxes to collect the memorabilia spread on the bed.

The collection included dozens of Joe Montana lithographs, baseballs autographed by Duke Snider and Pete Rose, and an array of Simpson-signed footballs and plaques. Fromong told police the collection was worth $80,000 to $100,000.

The robbers also took Beardsley's baseball cap and sunglasses, which were sitting on the bed, and Simpson snatched Fromong's cell phone from his hand, the report said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9872557.html

[martin II]

The suspects used pillowcases and boxes to collect the memorabilia spread on the bed.

The collection included dozens of Joe Montana lithographs, baseballs autographed by Duke Snider and Pete Rose, and an array of Simpson-signed footballs and plaques. Fromong told police the collection was worth $80,000 to $100,000.

The robbers also took Beardsley's baseball cap and sunglasses, which were sitting on the bed, and Simpson snatched Fromong's cell phone from his hand, the report said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9872557.html


Simpson is heard on the tape saying " I ONLY WANT MY STUFF" or 'ONLY TAKE MY STUFF" Hhe is also heard saying 'GIVE HIM HIS CELL PHONE BACK"

[weezer]

Simpson is heard on the tape saying " I ONLY WANT MY STUFF" or 'ONLY TAKE MY STUFF" Hhe is also heard saying 'GIVE HIM HIS CELL PHONE BACK"

Simpson snatched Fromong's cell phone from his hand

[martin II]

Simpson snatched Fromong's cell phone from his hand

Really

'give him his cell phone back"
OJ

[weezer]

TMZ obtained tax statements released to Ron Goldman and O.J Simpson won’t be appearing on any bread lines any time soon. In addition to $400,000 worth of pensions received from 2003 - 2005, O.J. also earned $50,000 in appearances PLUS income from memorabilia sales.

Since Goldman can’t touch the pensions, he’s very interested in the other earnings as well as the $772,000 worth of “personal property” listed on the tax forms. O.J. owes the Goldman’s $33 million from their wrongful death suit after a civil jury found him guilty of murdering their son Ron and his ex-wife Nicole. At the moment, the Goldman’s are looking to seize his Florida home and other “personal” assets though they’re not quite sure what those assets are.

O.J. might as well give up the goods. You don’t need that sort of coin in prison.

[weezer]

Tom Riccio says he and Simpson went over details about an hour before the vigilante-style raid and Riccio says he taped his meeting with Simpson — a poor-quality recording acquired by ABC News.

Simpson can be heard saying he wanted to recover his memorabilia in Nevada, away from the family of the murdered Ron Goldman, who have a lien on most of Simpson's earnings.

"I'm going to show up with a bunch of the boys, and take my [expletive] and they can't do nothing about it," Simpson says on the tape.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OJSimpson/story?id=3618511

[martin II]

Simpson snatched Fromong's cell phone from his hand


I dont believe what you are saying.
From listening to the tape oj did not have anything in his hand when fhe left room.

[martin II]

TMZ obtained tax statements released to Ron Goldman and O.J Simpson won’t be appearing on any bread lines any time soon. In addition to $400,000 worth of pensions received from 2003 - 2005, O.J. also earned $50,000 in appearances PLUS income from memorabilia sales.

Since Goldman can’t touch the pensions, he’s very interested in the other earnings as well as the $772,000 worth of “personal property” listed on the tax forms. O.J. owes the Goldman’s $33 million from their wrongful death suit after a civil jury found him guilty of murdering their son Ron and his ex-wife Nicole. At the moment, the Goldman’s are looking to seize his Florida home and other “personal” assets though they’re not quite sure what those assets are.

O.J. might as well give up the goods. You don’t need that sort of coin in prison.

Fred may need to read the florida LAW.
Goldmans are lookingt for something that that don't know what they are looking for?
you didn't post that did you.
hahahahha

[weezer]

Fred may need to read the florida LAW.
Goldmans are lookingt for something that that don't know what they are looking for?
you didn't post that did you.
hahahahha

that's what is going to be interesting about the LV trial and what who knew and when they knew it. It seems that at least one of them knows about secret bank accounts, etc., and at least one other knows even more about orenthal's business.

This has nothing to do with florida law --- hahahahahaha -- it has to do with orenthal's arrogant belief that he is above the law. hahahahaha

[weezer]

I dont believe what you are saying.
From listening to the tape oj did not have anything in his hand when fhe left room.

you don't have to 'believe' what I'm posting -- I'm not posting MY statements. sounds like you need to listen carefully -- Fromong begging orenthal not to break the phone and orenthal tells him he'll leave it at the desk. hmmmmm

[weezer]

Former Sports Manager: How I Helped O.J. Get Away With Murder
Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Former confidant Mike Gilbert

VAN SUSTEREN: In the time about 1992, 1993, 1994, would you say you were close to O.J.?

GILBERT: Very close. We traveled together. We would go to out of town games. I knew O.J. very well, and I had a different perspective than most people, because he didn't have to hide anything from me because I wasn't his wife or his girlfriend. I wasn't his business attorney--or from Kathy Randa, his assistant.

He could just be O.J. without the mask. So I saw all the different aspects of O.J.'s life.

VAN SUSTEREN: The question, did he murder those two?

GILBERT: Absolutely.

[weezer]

GILBERT: Even through the murders and then through the Goldmans wanting to exact their justice or revenge, however you want to look at it. We hid items, we removed items from his house, his $65,000 lamps. We moved those.

VAN SUSTEREN: So basically after the criminal trial and civil trial with this large judgment with the vans coming to pick up the stuff to satisfy the judgment, there was an all-out effort to deceive, like put non- valuable items in place of valuable, to take the valuable stuff out.

Did O.J. get the valuable stuff?

GILBERT: Yes. Yes. I guess the courts rule that you can have household, normal household items. But I don't think a Tiffany lamp that is $65,000 is necessarily a household item.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you put a fake one in?

GILBERT: We put several. By the time I got there we started moving items out of the house and putting them into storage units, people's homes, the back of my car. It went everywhere. Some of the attorneys had items.

[weezer]

GILBERT: We had attorneys that were owed money that we knew would lose the Bentley, his Rolls-Royce, his Bentley. So one of the attorney's took that in payment and we backdated when he received that--

VAN SUSTEREN: Do the lawyers know that, that it was backdated?

GILBERT: Absolutely, because it was after the judgment.

[martin II]

GILBERT: Even through the murders and then through the Goldmans wanting to exact their justice or revenge, however you want to look at it. We hid items, we removed items from his house, his $65,000 lamps. We moved those.

VAN SUSTEREN: So basically after the criminal trial and civil trial with this large judgment with the vans coming to pick up the stuff to satisfy the judgment, there was an all-out effort to deceive, like put non- valuable items in place of valuable, to take the valuable stuff out.

Did O.J. get the valuable stuff?

GILBERT: Yes. Yes. I guess the courts rule that you can have household, normal household items. But I don't think a Tiffany lamp that is $65,000 is necessarily a household item.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you put a fake one in?

GILBERT: We put several. By the time I got there we started moving items out of the house and putting them into storage units, people's homes, the back of my car. It went everywhere. Some of the attorneys had items.


One of the two sellers in the hotel room said 'MIKE TOOK IT" or "MIKE STOLE "
So either he lied or Mike lied. take your pick.

[martin II]

that's what is going to be interesting about the LV trial and what who knew and when they knew it. It seems that at least one of them knows about secret bank accounts, etc., and at least one other knows even more about orenthal's business.

This has nothing to do with florida law --- hahahahahaha -- it has to do with orenthal's arrogant belief that he is above the law. hahahahaha

You may need to seek help on private bank accounts in the places where they exist.

[martin II]

Former Sports Manager: How I Helped O.J. Get Away With Murder
Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Former confidant Mike Gilbert

VAN SUSTEREN: In the time about 1992, 1993, 1994, would you say you were close to O.J.?

GILBERT: Very close. We traveled together. We would go to out of town games. I knew O.J. very well, and I had a different perspective than most people, because he didn't have to hide anything from me because I wasn't his wife or his girlfriend. I wasn't his business attorney--or from Kathy Randa, his assistant.

He could just be O.J. without the mask. So I saw all the different aspects of O.J.'s life.

VAN SUSTEREN: The question, did he murder those two?

GILBERT: Absolutely.
\
Gilbert helped oj get away with murder according to him. right [hahahaha

[martin II]

GILBERT: Even through the murders and then through the Goldmans wanting to exact their justice or revenge, however you want to look at it. We hid items, we removed items from his house, his $65,000 lamps. We moved those.

VAN SUSTEREN: So basically after the criminal trial and civil trial with this large judgment with the vans coming to pick up the stuff to satisfy the judgment, there was an all-out effort to deceive, like put non- valuable items in place of valuable, to take the valuable stuff out.

Did O.J. get the valuable stuff?

GILBERT: Yes. Yes. I guess the courts rule that you can have household, normal household items. But I don't think a Tiffany lamp that is $65,000 is necessarily a household item.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you put a fake one in?

GILBERT: We put several. By the time I got there we started moving items out of the house and putting them into storage units, people's homes, the back of my car. It went everywhere. Some of the attorneys had items.

Gilbert sound like a criminal.

[weezer]

Gilbert sound like a criminal.

now you get it! that's who orenthal's inner circle was. that's who orenthal surrounded himself with -- thugs, thiefs, criminals and, of course, his co-conspirator(s). imo

[weezer]

You may need to seek help on private bank accounts in the places where they exist.

I have a feeling there is (will be) all the help that's needed.

[SlowHandSam]

now you get it! that's who orenthal's inner circle was. that's who orenthal surrounded himself with -- thugs, thiefs, criminals and, of course, his co-conspirator(s). imo

how does that saying go?

birds of a feather flock together? is that it? :)

[weezer]

and then there's the one that could specifically apply to orenthal:

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. . . .

[martin II]

I have a feeling there is (will be) all the help that's needed.

i SEE
Then how does one fred invade a numbered bank account?

[martin II]

What are you referring to? Sounds like an Ocean's Eleven plot. :biggrin:

Follow the discussion.

[martin II]

I'm not quite sure what your discussion is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Read and follow the discussion.

[weezer]

I'm not quite sure what your discussion is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

hang in there joseph bell ;)

[weezer]

Follow the discussion.

I guess this is another example of 'improving' this community. :eek:

[weezer]

Read and follow the discussion.

:no: :no: :no: not nice.

[William Anthony]

Martin, it seems that you may have to gather some patience. :)

[martin II]

:no: :no: :no: not nice.

Weezer
Whats not nice is a poster not giving links to claims and making personal attacks on a community poster.:punch:

[Kate Sachel]

Weezer
Whats not nice is a poster not giving links to claims and making personal attacks on a community poster.:punch:

What is also not nice martin, is the "hahahaha" you insist on conclusing your postings with when you are clearly making fun of other members of this community.

Always nice to see that hypocrisy is alive and well.

Kate

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;9101803]I agree that Oj was found liable and a judgement for about $19 mil was entered.So Fred has a legal judgement against oj.

QUOTE]

The amount of money owed by Simpson(which you have wrong) is immaterial. As you state, Simpson is liable for 2 wrongful deaths. According to the law. I'm glad we agree on this.:D

Th original judgement entered was for $18--$19 million.

[martin II]

Martin, it seems that you may have to gather some patience. :)

I am beginning to believe you. But the ignore option is alive and well and serves me well.:cool:

[William Anthony]

:hat: Thanks. Don't worry, I will. As Martin remarked, there is always the ignore option. Personally, I would never use that option, even where Martin is concerned. I believe it to be the height of rudeness. As Martin continually opines, he has the right to his opinion. Of course. So do I and I will listen to his opinion and post my replies, whether or not he chooses to read them.

So, enough of Martin and his rudeness. (Wonder whether he'll deign to reply to that?) Back on the thread. Simpson and the money trail. Martin and Anthony still haven't, IMO, come up with a working and tenable reason why Simpson and his cronies were in that room if not to take, by force, memorabilia that otherwise would have been sold and the profits not go to Simpson.

You seem to be making a personal attack against Martin for using an option that is permitted by the rules. I think that you owe Martin and the community an apology.

You also seem to make an assumption that the property would have been sold. The element of the crime is intent and the Nevada case law states robbery is an intent to permanently deprive a person of his/her property.

[SlowHandSam]

If the posting community comes down on me like a tonne of bricks for being rude to your Martin then I will be very sorry.

Joseph, as a member of the community, you do not owe me an apology. In fact, I commend you for your patience and not losing your temper (as I would have done long before now if I were in your shoes).

Making reference to using the ignore feature is no more a personal attack than someone who posted earlier that they had lost their patience with another poster or someone who replied saying to not worry that the ignore feature is alive and well.

You aren't a heavy poster, but I do very much enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work.

[Kate Sachel]

If the posting community comes down on me like a tonne of bricks for being rude to your Martin then I will be very sorry.

I personally do not request an apology from you. I did not find your post to be a personal attack or rude in any way. You expressed your opinion and stated it as such. I don't find it rude for anyone to state that, in their personal opinion, the "ignore" feature is the height of rudeness nor do I find it rude for you to comment on what you personally feel is martin's rudeness.

I also have to wonder why no one expects martin to apologize to the community when he blatantly is making fun of other members of this community when he constantly adds "hahahaha" to the end of his posts. That, to me, is the height of rudeness.

Please continue to join us in discussion on this forum, and please know that I at least find no offense in the manner in which you have been conducting yourself.

Kate

[tv]

If the posting community comes down on me like a tonne of bricks for being rude to your Martin then I will be very sorry.As a member of this community, you don't owe me an apology. I would rather you be honest about how you feel about the ignore feature instead of pretending to use the ignore feature which has been done on this forum. I've seen a couple of remarks directed at you that deserved an apology but none have been forthcoming.

[weezer]

If the posting community comes down on me like a tonne of bricks for being rude to your Martin then I will be very sorry.

I don't need an apology. Like I said earlier: Hang in there Joseph!

[William Anthony]

If the posting community comes down on me like a tonne of bricks for being rude to your Martin then I will be very sorry.

Well now, I take personal offense at this remark as I do not own Martin, nor have I owned any person. I asked you politely for an apology, because it was obvious to me that you made a personal attack on Martin. You are under no obligation to make an apology to anyone, nor is anyone else, imho. However, my desire was to raise the level of postings in this community. I was under the mistaken impression that others shared my desire. I was dismayed to see that some hear think it is alright for you to respond in the manner that you did, because they believe that Martin may have responded rudely to you. The subject was not rudeness but personal attacks. I am deeply disappointed to see that inequality is still alive and well in this community. I have been asked to rise above the the attacks. I was disappointed to see that you were not and then you responded with what I consider a personal attack on me and Martin by saying "your Martin", as if I owned Martin and, as if Martin would allow himself to be owned. I think that the community is rapidly regressing and, as some posters say, two wrongs don't make a right.

I think if the community wants to regress to the manner that posting was done in the past and allow some of those, who I suspect, returned to the community to ruin it, then let's have at it. I am your huckleberry.

[weezer]

Well now, I take personal offense at this remark as I do not own Martin, nor have I owned any person. I asked you politely for an apology, because it was obvious to me that you made a personal attack on Martin. You are under no obligation to make an apology to anyone, nor is anyone else, imho. However, my desire was to raise the level of postings in this community. I was under the mistaken impression that others shared my desire. I was dismayed to see that some hear think it is alright for you to respond in the manner that you did, because they believe that Martin may have responded rudely to you. The subject was not rudeness but personal attacks. I am deeply disappointed to see that inequality is still alive and well in this community. I have been asked to rise above the the attacks. I was disappointed to see that you were not and then you responded with what I consider a personal attack on me and Martin by saying "your Martin", as if I owned Martin and, as if Martin would allow himself to be owned. I think that the community is rapidly regressing and, as some posters say, two wrongs don't make a right.

I think if the community wants to regress to the manner that posting was done in the past and allow some of those, who I suspect, returned to the community to ruin it, then let's have at it. I am your huckleberry.

oh good grief!

[William Anthony]

oh good grief!

Grief can be good if you can find some value for it. My value for grief I feel was my attempt to raise the level of postings in this community. I find no sorrow in my efforts and feel that the good was what I tried to do. The good value of the grief I feel is that I recognize that I have the wisdom to realize that some things I cannot change but that others may see the value in my cautions against ruination of this community or these threads.

[William Anthony]

There seems to be much protest over Martin's use of the ha, ha, ha. I think that the same can be said for the icons, such as big grins, sticking out of the tongue, read eek, no, no, hard, har, har and flaming mad. Do the members of the community feel we should ban all the above mentioned items?

[SlowHandSam]

There seems to be much protest over Martin's use of the ha, ha, ha. I think that the same can be said for the icons, such as big grins, sticking out of the tongue, read eek, no, no, hard, har, har and flaming mad. Do the members of the community feel we should ban all the above mentioned items?

I see no need to ban emoticons that the forum has provided.

I do, however, see a need to move on back to the topic of the thread.

My $.02.

[William Anthony]

I see no need to ban emoticons that the forum has provided.

I do, however, see a need to move on back to the topic of the thread.

My $.02.

Then, I guess you see no need to ban ha, ha, or smile being typed, correct? I agree that we need to get back on topic and wish you would have said so when the first post in this particular series was made, imho, as a personal attack against a poster.

[Kate Sachel]

There seems to be much protest over Martin's use of the ha, ha, ha. I think that the same can be said for the icons, such as big grins, sticking out of the tongue, read eek, no, no, hard, har, har and flaming mad. Do the members of the community feel we should ban all the above mentioned items?

You are obviously referring specifically to me since it is I that pointed out martin's rudeness in his use of "hahahaha". So apparently you and I need to hash this out publicly.

Kate

[weezer]

This is skip taft's testimony from the second part of the trial. We've heard how horrible the Goldmans are for insisting orenthal honor the judgement against and then -- wham -- guess what? orenthal was trying to figure out how to make money off of the murders 5 weeks after he committed them.

taft also testifies about orenthal's income, assets and liabillities. very interesting reading.

Q. Go to the next one.This is the fourth one.This one again is for O.J. Simpson, the name, and this is for additional materials; is that right?
A. Yes.
MR. GELBLUM: And show Mr. Taft's name on that, please.
Q. (BY MR. GELBLUM) You signed this one also under penalty of perjury?
A. Yes.
Q. And this was just about five weeks after the murders you did this, right?
A. What date are we looking at for --
Q. File date, July 21, 1994.
A. After the murders?
Q. The murders were June 12, 1994.
A. Yes.
Q. This is five weeks later, right, you filed this application with the trademark office to trademark Mr. Simpson's name on an intent to use basis? You can see that one under the status heading intent to use. Do you see that?
A. Yes.
Q. So five weeks after the murders, you filed this application to protect Mr. Simpson's name with the idea that you would go ahead and help him make some money by selling these kinds of goods with his name on them?

http://edition.cnn.com/US/OJ/simpson.civil.trial/transcripts.february/02.7.transcript.html

[William Anthony]

You are obviously referring specifically to me since it is I that pointed out martin's rudeness in his use of "hahahaha". So apparently you and I need to hash this out publicly.

Kate

I was not pointing to anyone specifically, as another poster used the ha, ha, ha, in one of their posts. I was pointing to what I saw as the inequity of the use of the emoticons, without protest, and the typing of the ha, ha, ha, and another poster did the same and nothing was said about that. I will try harder to be clearer and I am not blaming anyone. I was simply wondering about the difference in typing ha, ha, ha, and the use of emoticons.

[William Anthony]

This is skip taft's testimony from the second part of the trial. We've heard how horrible the Goldmans are for insisting orenthal honor the judgement against and then -- wham -- guess what? orenthal was trying to figure out how to make money off of the murders 5 weeks after he committed them.

taft also testifies about orenthal's income, assets and liabillities. very interesting reading.

Q. Go to the next one.This is the fourth one.This one again is for O.J. Simpson, the name, and this is for additional materials; is that right?
A. Yes.
MR. GELBLUM: And show Mr. Taft's name on that, please.
Q. (BY MR. GELBLUM) You signed this one also under penalty of perjury?
A. Yes.
Q. And this was just about five weeks after the murders you did this, right?
A. What date are we looking at for --
Q. File date, July 21, 1994.
A. After the murders?
Q. The murders were June 12, 1994.
A. Yes.
Q. This is five weeks later, right, you filed this application with the trademark office to trademark Mr. Simpson's name on an intent to use basis? You can see that one under the status heading intent to use. Do you see that?
A. Yes.
Q. So five weeks after the murders, you filed this application to protect Mr. Simpson's name with the idea that you would go ahead and help him make some money by selling these kinds of goods with his name on them?

http://edition.cnn.com/US/OJ/simpson.civil.trial/transcripts.february/02.7.transcript.html

Correction-he was found not guilty of committing the murders. It is correct to say he was trying to make money five weeks after he was accused of murdering two people, imho.

[weezer]

this includes Fromong's tetiomony --

[martin II]

:hat: Thanks. Don't worry, I will. As Martin remarked, there is always the ignore option. Personally, I would never use that option, even where Martin is concerned. I believe it to be the height of rudeness. As Martin continually opines, he has the right to his opinion. Of course. So do I and I will listen to his opinion and post my replies, whether or not he chooses to read them.

So, enough of Martin and his rudeness. (Wonder whether he'll deign to reply to that?) Back on the thread. Simpson and the money trail. Martin and Anthony still haven't, IMO, come up with a working and tenable reason why Simpson and his cronies were in that room if not to take, by force, memorabilia that otherwise would have been sold and the profits not go to Simpson.

The ignore option provided by the community allows all to use it when we desire to evade unecessary reading of post that are offensive or offers nothing to the discussion in ones opinion. However i have not used it for your post.

I do not consider my post as rudness towards you or anyone else.So you may want to rethink your claim.

I have no idea what you mean by "memorabilla that otherwise would not be sold and the profits not go to oj"

The purpose of oj's visit was to get items that belonged to him.:cool:

[martin II]

I was not pointing to anyone specifically, as another poster used the ha, ha, ha, in one of their posts. I was pointing to what I saw as the inequity of the use of the emoticons, without protest, and the typing of the ha, ha, ha, and another poster did the same and nothing was said about that. I will try harder to be clearer and I am not blaming anyone. I was simply wondering about the difference in typing ha, ha, ha, and the use of emoticons.
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willain
Thanks for your comments.
As you have correctly stated other posters use the hahaha in their post to me.So i am wondering why any poster would be offended or concerned when i have used it. My use of it was never intented to offend anyone.
However i have wondered if the complaint against me and not others for that use was made for some reason other that what was stated.I can never know
and this is why i use the option of ignoring some post as opposed to others.
martin II

[William Anthony]

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willain
Thanks for your comments.
As you have correctly stated other posters use the hahaha in their post to me.So i am wondering why any poster would be offended or concerned when i have used it. My use of it was never intented to offend anyone.
However i have wondered if the complaint against me and not others for that use was made for some reason other that what was stated.I can never know
and this is why i use the option of ignoring some post as opposed to others.
martin II

No need for thanks. America has turned a new page in its history and I hope this community can do likewise.

[martin II]

No need for thanks. America has turned a new page in its history and I hope this community can do likewise.

I am very pleased at the turning of this historic page in America and pray that this success continues.:beer:

[William Anthony]

I am very pleased at the turning of this historic page in America and pray that this success continues.:beer:

Agreed and hope the community can act in a similar fashion.

[weezer]

I wonder if once this trial is over, will the Goldmans and Brown Estate be able to force the memorabilia 'dealers' to produce records of what of orenthal's they have sold since the civil judgment and how much (if) any of the monies went to orenthal?

[SlowHandSam]

I wonder if once this trial is over, will the Goldmans and Brown Estate be able to force the memorabilia 'dealers' to produce records of what of orenthal's they have sold since the civil judgment and how much (if) any of the monies went to orenthal?

I wonder if they could be compelled to show the buyers as well?

[martin II]

I wonder if once this trial is over, will the Goldmans and Brown Estate be able to force the memorabilia 'dealers' to produce records of what of orenthal's they have sold since the civil judgment and how much (if) any of the monies went to orenthal?

I doubt they can but it would not natter if they did.imo

[weezer]

Buyers and sellers both, I hope. Let's trust the Brown/Goldman estates can receive some recompense for the loss of 2 young lives. Even after all these years it's still gotta hurt.

It sounds like at least two of them are on the ropes when it comes to orenthal and his business dealings in memorabilia. I'm betting the IRS is watching very, very closely. :eek:

[SlowHandSam]

It sounds like at least two of them are on the ropes when it comes to orenthal and his business dealings in memorabilia. I'm betting the IRS is watching very, very closely. :eek:

I suspect the IRS has been watching him for some time, along with many others. With his "limited" access to excessive funds, one must wonder how he affords his lifestyle.

[martin II]

I suspect the IRS has been watching him for some time, along with many others. With his "limited" access to excessive funds, one must wonder how he affords his lifestyle.

$25,000 per mo from one pension fund.

[William Anthony]

I am sure you're correct. Simpson's going to have an even harder time explaining this one. Oh that correct Simpson verdict of liable in the civil trial.
Liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron...liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron...liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron. How wonderful to be able to speak the truth. Here's to their memories.:rose:

I must apologize to you and this post helped to refresh my memory. On the other thread I said you had made two mistakes and I was counting and I apologize. The truth is that you have only gotten one thing right as it relates to the Simpson threads in all your posts, imho. This post refreshed my memory. Simpson was only found liable for Ronald's wrongful death. Still, only one right.

[weezer]

Question 5: Do you find by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant Simpson committed battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?
Yes or No YES
Question 6: Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed oppression in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?
Yes or No
YES
Question 7: Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed malice in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?
Yes or No
YES

[William Anthony]

Show me the specific jury question where the jury said yes that Simpson cause the wrongful death of Nicole. You were around when this discussion was had and thanks to the honest post of another, clarifying the issue that the jury was not asked that specific question, because a wrongful death suit was not filed in regard to Nicole. Simpson was found liable for battery, malice and oppression of Nicole but not for her wrongful death.

[weezer]

Show me the specific jury question where the jury said yes that Simpson cause the wrongful death of Nicole. You were around when this discussion was had and thanks to the honest post of another, clarifying the issue that the jury was not asked that specific question, because a wrongful death suit was not filed in regard to Nicole. Simpson was found liable for battery, malice and oppression of Nicole but not for her wrongful death.

I think we all understand that the first question wasn't asked because the Brown's did not file wrongful death. So, orenthal committed battery, malice and oppression of Nicole -- which one of those do you think she died of?

[William Anthony]

I think we all understand that the first question wasn't asked because the Brown's did not file wrongful death. So, orenthal committed battery, malice and oppression of Nicole -- which one of those do you think she died of?

What I think is irrelevant to this discussion. What Mr. Bell posted was what was relevant, which was that Simpson was found liable for Nicole's death. I think you understand that the law is my passion and, because of that I want to correct inappropriate usage of legal terminology, just as you have a passion for editing.

[weezer]

What I think is irrelevant to this discussion. What Mr. Bell posted was what was relevant, which was that Simpson was found liable for Nicole's death. I think you understand that the law is my passion and, because of that I want to correct inappropriate usage of legal terminology, just as you have a passion for editing.

"The jury ruled against Simpson on each of the eight technical questions of liability it was asked to consider. It effectively found Simpson liable for his ex-wife's death, though the Brown family did not seek such a verdict."

[William Anthony]

"The jury ruled against Simpson on each of the eight technical questions of liability it was asked to consider. It effectively found Simpson liable for his ex-wife's death, though the Brown family did not seek such a verdict."

It effectively found him liable for causing the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and nothing else. To say it effectively found him liable for the death of Nicole, to use your and Mr. Bell's words is effectively WRONG.

[weezer]

It effectively found him liable for causing the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and nothing else. To say it effectively found him liable for the death of Nicole, to use your and Mr. Bell's words is effectively WRONG.

okay -- I'll bite -- since Nicole was found butchered on the same night and in the same location as Ron, how do you think she died? from battery, oppresion and malice? or maybe by the same knife that murdered Ron? the same knife held by orenthal james simpson.

[martin II]

I think we all understand that the first question wasn't asked because the Brown's did not file wrongful death. So, orenthal committed battery, malice and oppression of Nicole -- which one of those do you think she died of?

That is not the issue and i think you know that.

[martin II]

okay -- I'll bite -- since Nicole was found butchered on the same night and in the same location as Ron, how do you think she died? from battery, oppresion and malice? or maybe by the same knife that murdered Ron? the same knife held by orenthal james simpson.

WEEZER
That sound like your personal opinion not the law.

[weezer]

WEEZER
That sound like your personal opinion not the law.

it was a question.

[William Anthony]

okay -- I'll bite -- since Nicole was found butchered on the same night and in the same location as Ron, how do you think she died? from battery, oppresion and malice? or maybe by the same knife that murdered Ron? the same knife held by orenthal james simpson.

I think that we have strayed off-topic by Mr. Bell's post. Is that agreed? However, I'll bite and answer your question to the best of my ability. I think that Nicole was stabbed to death by someone. A jury found Simpson liable for Ronald Goldman's wrongful death but no jury has found Simpson liable for Nicole's wrongful death of for murdering Ronald Goldman or Nicole. Mr. Bell stated that Simpson had been found liable for Nicole's death. That is not true, as you are well aware that was the off-topic remark, which caused the discussion that followed. I am not sure that Nicole's family or estate has sought to enforce the award for damages for Simpson being found liable for battery, malice and oppression. If so the conversation may not be off topic. If not, then the conversation is off-topic. Do you only edit spelling or do you include content?

[martin II]

I am sure you're correct. Simpson's going to have an even harder time explaining this one. Oh that correct Simpson verdict of liable in the civil trial.
Liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron...liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron...liable in the deaths of Nicole and Ron. How wonderful to be able to speak the truth. Here's to their memories.:rose:

Two issues
1. You are wrong.
2. your post is off topic.

[William Anthony]

Correction-It (the verdict and jury) effectively found him liable for causing the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and no one else. To say it effectively found him liable for the death of Nicole, to use your and Mr. Bell's words is effectively WRONG.

[weezer]

Correction-It (the verdict and jury) effectively found him liable for causing the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and no one else. To say it effectively found him liable for the death of Nicole, to use your and Mr. Bell's words is effectively WRONG.

william, the majority of people believe that the civil trial effectively found orenthal james simpson liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman AND Nicole Brown.

[SlowHandSam]

william, the majority of people believe that the civil trial effectively found orenthal james simpson liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman AND Nicole Brown.

Well of course most of us (reasonable people) believe that because how else can you explain Nicole's death on the same night, same location?

[William Anthony]

Most learned and astute people realize that the civil verdict effectively did not find Simpson liable for Nicole's wrongful death. Most of the unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable people claim it effectively said something it did not.

[SlowHandSam]

Most learned and astute people realize that the civil verdict effectively did not find Simpson liable for Nicole's wrongful death. Most of the unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable people claim it effectively said something it did not.

so are you saying that I am unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable that you?

Personal attacks ... tsk tsk. Man, I'd really like to tell you what I think of you ... just once. But I won't because it adds no value - just like this little pissy attack at me, again.

I some how doubt that you are any more "learned" or "astute" than the rest of us. How about you back up your claim and show us your degrees? Your vitae? Come on now - where's the evidence to support your claim that you are far better than the rest of us.

I'm ready to show mine - let's see yours.

[William Anthony]

so are you saying that I am unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable that you?

Personal attacks ... tsk tsk. Man, I'd really like to tell you what I think of you ... just once. But I won't because it adds no value - just like this little pissy attack at me, again.

I some how doubt that you are any more "learned" or "astute" than the rest of us. How about you back up your claim and show us your degrees? Your vitae? Come on now - where's the evidence to support your claim that you are far better than the rest of us.

I'm ready to show mine - let's see yours.

I said no such thing. I was making generalities as you were about what most reasonable people think. It was truly unnecessary for you to speak in the manner that you did and to launch this personal attack. As some here like to say, tsk, tsk, tsk.

I would add that you included yourself in the reasonable people category by the use of the pronoun, us. I did not include myself in any category but spoke to what is generally accepted by certain people.

[SlowHandSam]

I said no such thing. I was making generalities as you were about what most reasonable people think. It was truly unnecessary for you to speak in the manner that you did and to launch this personal attack. As some here like to say, tsk, tsk, tsk.

It wasn't a personal attack, William. I simply asked for your evidence to support your claim that you are more learned, astute and knowledgeable than the rest of this board.

Until I see credible evidence, I won't believe it. :) :shrug:

[William Anthony]

so are you saying that I am unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable that you?

Personal attacks ... tsk tsk. Man, I'd really like to tell you what I think of you ... just once. But I won't because it adds no value - just like this little pissy attack at me, again.

I some how doubt that you are any more "learned" or "astute" than the rest of us. How about you back up your claim and show us your degrees? Your vitae? Come on now - where's the evidence to support your claim that you are far better than the rest of us.

I'm ready to show mine - let's see yours.

I said no such thing. I was making generalities as you were about what most reasonable people think. It was truly unnecessary for you to speak in the manner that you did and to launch this personal attack. As some here like to say, tsk, tsk, tsk.

[SlowHandSam]

I said no such thing. I was making generalities as you were about what most reasonable people think. It was truly unnecessary for you to speak in the manner that you did and to launch this personal attack. As some here like to say, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Hmm, I'll repeat myself too.

William. I simply asked for your evidence to support your claim that you are more learned, astute and knowledgeable than the rest of this board.

Until I see credible evidence, I won't believe it. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

Hmm, I'll repeat myself too.

William. I simply asked for your evidence to support your claim that you are more learned, astute and knowledgeable than the rest of this board.

Until I see credible evidence, I won't believe it. :shrug:


Then I must repeat unless you can show me that I said I was more learned, astute and knowledgeable than the rest of the board, then there is nothing that I have to support. If you cannot, then I ask you to stop making this false accusation.

[weezer]

Most learned and astute people realize that the civil verdict effectively did not find Simpson liable for Nicole's wrongful death. Most of the unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable people claim it effectively said something it did not.

then I guess I'm among the masses of the unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable because I believe the civil verdict effectively found orenthal james simpson for the murder of two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

you know, we can flip this to say that the same people believe the 'not guilty' verdict did not pronounce him innocent.

[William Anthony]

then I guess I'm among the masses of the unskilled, unreasonable and less knowledgeable because I believe the civil verdict effectively found orenthal james simpson for the murder of two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

you know, we can flip this to say that the same people believe the 'not guilty' verdict did not pronounce him innocent.

As it relates to the flip, then they would have joined ranks with the learned, astute, reasonable and knowledgeable.

[weezer]

I watched a portion of Gilbert's interview on TV last night. While the man is lacking in moral character, I do think some of the stuff he's saying has a certain ring of logic to it. mind you, I said 'logic' -- not necessarily 'truth'.

I do hope he is called to verify ownership for some of orenthal's 'sh*t' from the armed robbery.

I have a feeling he knows where the skeletons are -- this could be fun!

[William Anthony]

I watched a portion of Gilbert's interview on TV last night. While the man is lacking in moral character, I do think some of the stuff he's saying has a certain ring of logic to it. mind you, I said 'logic' -- not necessarily 'truth'.

I do hope he is called to verify ownership for some of orenthal's 'sh*t' from the armed robbery.

I have a feeling he knows where the skeletons are -- this could be fun!

correction-from the alleged armed robbery. Are you saying that someone could be saying something that is logical but not truthful? Did MF testify in the civil trial? I hope you don't mind that I do so some editing.:)

[William Anthony]

Sam, this is called a backdown. All of these 'reasonable' and 'certain' people who make these 'personal attacks' against William just seem to populate these boards. H'm. I'm thinking hint to William. By the way where's Martin? I'm sure that he would agree that Simpson was in LV to stop the sale of items that would end up benefiting the Brown/Goldman estates as the law says they should. I'm sure Martin would appreciate being thought of as a 'reasonable' person.

Good morning, Mr. Bell. I hope your life is not too hectic. If a "backdown" means to set the record straight and to request that posters stop making false accusations, then that is what it was. I seriously doubt that the alleged thieves were acting on behalf of the Goldman estate.

[tv]

I watched a portion of Gilbert's interview on TV last night. While the man is lacking in moral character, I do think some of the stuff he's saying has a certain ring of logic to it. mind you, I said 'logic' -- not necessarily 'truth'.

I do hope he is called to verify ownership for some of orenthal's 'sh*t' from the armed robbery.

I have a feeling he knows where the skeletons are -- this could be fun!
I'm sure there's a lot that Mike Gilbert could tell. There's always a 3-ring circus around OJ Simpson so who knows what could happen between now and September?

[William Anthony]

I'm sure there's a lot that Mike Gilbert could tell. There's always a 3-ring circus around OJ Simpson so who knows what could happen between now and September?

Anyone can say a lot of things but that does not make them truthful. Remember MF, my new battle cry.:)

[tv]

Anyone can say a lot of things but that does not make them truthful. Remember MF, my new battle cry.:)You really need to spell out what MF means so we'll know if you're talking about Mark Fuhrman or saying a bad word. :eek:

[weezer]

You really need to spell out what MF means so we'll know if you're talking about Mark Fuhrman or saying a bad word. :eek:

oh, I think if he meant it as a bad word, he would have posted "the MF orenthal james simpson." ;)

[SlowHandSam]

oh, I think if he meant it as a bad word, he would have posted "the MF orenthal james simpson." ;)

LMAO

[weezer]

June 20, 2008
Las Vegas spotlight: Simpson status check today
Posted: 11:59 AM ET
LAS VEGAS, Nevada–It’s time again for the monthly status check hearing here in Las Vegas for the O.J. Simpson armed robbery case.

I find these hearings extremely interesting because you often learn where both sides may be going once the trial begins.

First up today is a renewed motion for severance by co-defendant Charles Ehrlich. He is asking the court once again to separate his trial from Simpson’s. Co-defendant C.J. Stewart is joining in this motion.

I can tell from speaking with Ehrlich’s attorney Robert Lucherini that he is extremely concerned that negative jury reaction toward Simpson may spill over to the other co-defendants. But this is a conspiracy case and they are never severed here in Clark County; I have been told by the media judge for the District Court there has never been a severance in a conspiracy case.

Another issue on tap for today: as both sides continue to put together the long jury questionnaire that will kick off jury selection in September, prosecutors are at odds with the defense on some of the proposed questions.

Simpson’s defense team wants a question to be included on whether jurors believe Simpson has a right to earn a living, and an obligation to support his children. The prosecution says this is not appropriate for the questionnaire and is actually part of the defense theory that Simpson was retrieving the memorabilia for the financial benefit of his family.

We’ll see it all as it is argued in court.

–Jean Casarez, In Session correspondent

[martin II]

Sam, this is called a backdown. All of these 'reasonable' and 'certain' people who make these 'personal attacks' against William just seem to populate these boards. H'm. I'm thinking hint to William. By the way where's Martin? I'm sure that he would agree that Simpson was in LV to stop the sale of items that would end up benefiting the Brown/Goldman estates as the law says they should. I'm sure Martin would appreciate being thought of as a 'reasonable' person.

How about you posting a judges decision awarding the STUFF in the hotel room to fred.That would be a start.

[weezer]

How about you posting a judges decision awarding the STUFF in the hotel room to fred.That would be a start.

now martin, you know that can't happen until ownership is proven by someone. at this point, it doesn't belong to orenthal. but, when and if it's found to be his, then the civil trial judgment will be posted to satisfy your request. how's that? I just love a good compromise.

[martin II]

now martin, you know that can't happen until ownership is proven by someone. at this point, it doesn't belong to orenthal. but, when and if it's found to be his, then the civil trial judgment will be posted to satisfy your request. how's that? I just love a good compromise.

Now oj says some of the items belongs to him.The sellers say they belong to them.The CA superior judge has instructed fred that he must present any item
that he would like to claim to his court for evaluation as to whether any item
can be legally claimed by fred. So i am not sure freds ownership is as automatic as some may think. There may be a few legal issues to ownership.
The fact that Vegas has possession for trial does not mean that the items don't have a owner.imo

[weezer]

Now oj says some of the items belongs to him.The sellers say they belong to them.The CA superior judge has instructed fred that he must present any item
that he would like to claim to his court for evaluation as to whether any item
can be legally claimed by fred. So i am not sure freds ownership is as automatic as some may think. There may be a few legal issues to ownership.
The fact that Vegas has possession for trial does not mean that the items don't have a owner.imo

I think we saw where this is going when the judge ordered orenthal to turn over his 'rolex' -- LOL -- I'm still wondering where the real one is.

[William Anthony]

You really need to spell out what MF means so we'll know if you're talking about Mark Fuhrman or saying a bad word. :eek:

Oh, I think I have been using it long enough for those here to know that when I use MF I am referring to the convicted perjuring, genocidal speaking, as supported by the evidence, racist, conceded by the prosecution, evidence planting, as supported by the evidence, detective. Imho, if I spelled out his name I would still be saying bad words.