Dateline

[FDInLaw]

Dateline news will be featuring a story on the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer, the beauty queen from Russellville, AR, who was murdered in her apartment on December 15, 2005.

Kenny Johnson, of Monticello, practiced in this area for many years was the lead attorney for Kevin Jones, of Dover, AR, who was charged with Ms. Dirksmeyer’s murder.

The trial took place July 9-20, 2007 and Kevin Jones was acquitted of the murder charge.

This case was known state wide and Dateline will be featuring the story on Friday night, May 2nd on KARK, Channel Four out of Little Rock, Arkansas.

http://www.monticellolive.com/local-attorney-to-be-featured-on-dateline/


I wonder who called in this info (LOL!). :biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

No kidding! Ya gotta love the "Kenny Johnson for Circuit Judge" ad two inches away from the story, too.

[Amy]

I see the story was dated 04/28, and there are no comments yet. Guess his supporters have fallen down on their hooplas for him being spotlighted on national TV.

[FDInLaw]

No kidding! Ya gotta love the "Kenny Johnson for Circuit Judge" ad two inches away from the story, too.R U Serious??? I didn't see that! LMBO!!! :rolleyes:

Me thinks that the person that called in this article is the same person that turned over the crime scene photos. . . call me jaded, but ya gotta wonder. . . :cool:

[FDInLaw]

News Briefs

Story date: April 30, 2008

NBC to air show on Dirksmeyer case
NBC will air a “Dateline” special about the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer and the subsequent trial and acquittal of Kevin Jones of Dover. The show is scheduled for 9 p.m. Friday on KARK Channel 4.


http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=18347

[FDInLaw]

by Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent

If the images of Nona Dirksmeyer's fresh open face convey a certain vulnerability, it shouldn't be too surprising; at 19 years old, though she sang beautifully, looked wonderful, and had been winning some local and entering state beauty pageants, she was still struggling with an awful secret.

Secrets, of course, do not survive murder investigations, and the details of Nona's troubles spilled out for all the world to pick over.

Certainly her mother was shocked and dismayed when Nona told her that her own father sexually abused her when she was a little girl, and that later on she began to cut herself. Imagine then, how horrifying for Nona's grieving mother when the whole town learned about not just that, but eventually, in open court, the extremely personal details of Nona's love life.

Repeatedly in recent years I have found myself in the company of parents who must struggle to make sense of the senseless death of a child, to go on after a murder. How Nona's mother Carol managed it, especially when her daughter's own secrets became such a significant part of the case, I do not know.

I left her understanding very well how important it was for her to find some form of justice... some answer.

So it was hard to fault her deep suspicion of Nona's boyfriend, Kevin. After all, the local police and prosecutors -- the only authorities she could trust -- were convinced that he must have killed her. And this was a boy she had long since begun to treat as a future son-in-law!

That, however, is where the whole terrible business -- including media coverage of the crime -- began to bog down in what amounted to family loyalties. Or, as a supportive out of town relative called it, "local politics."

And highly polarized politics, at that. Debates over the boyfriend's guilt or innocence actually stirred up regional resentments and rivalries that date right back to the civil war. As a result, covering the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer was a sometimes tricky business; local media outlets began to take a lot of flak for allegedly slanting the story in favor of one family or the other, and no matter how thorough our efforts to tell the story even-handedly, somebody was always assuming we had to be on one 'side' or the other. Obviously, we were not -- our mission is to follow each story as fairly and clearly as possible. And of course, in this case, as in all others, its the jury that decides.

Were truth and justice served in Nona's case? If you were to ask around in Russellville, Arkansas, the answer you'd likely hear as often as not is... no. Perhaps, after a review of the facts, you'll come to your own conclusion.

And just possibly, before too very long, Nona's mother Carol will finally have her answer. Along with some final justice for Nona Dirksmeyer.

'Death and the Beauty Queen' airs Dateline Friday, 10 p.m.



http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/970919.aspx

[Amy]

Thanks for the blurb. I missed the other show about this, can't remember, 60 minutes or something? From the poster reviews of that show, I sure hope this isn't a repeat, but more thorough. (Or, heck, was the previous show this Dateline one?)

Anyway, will make my best effort to watch this one.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the blurb. I missed the other show about this, can't remember, 60 minutes or something? From the poster reviews of that show, I sure hope this isn't a repeat, but more thorough. (Or, heck, was the previous show this Dateline one?)

Anyway, will make my best effort to watch this one.
Hi Amy! Here's a link with the content of the 48 Hours show that was done:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/48hours/main3802230.shtml?source=search_story


:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/970919.aspx

>>And this was a boy she had long since begun to treat as a future son-in-law!

Gee, an exclamation mark in a straight news story. Sensationalize much?

meh

[Amy]

Finally!!! There was a dateline (I tho't) on an hour ago, with something about a starsearch kind of thing. So, I waited for the half hour, and it was still on!!!!

Just turned it again, and it's on now!!!!

[chambord]

Hi FDLaw. Just wanted you to know, I'm watching along with you all.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well.

So many inconsistencies by KJ were left unanswered. It's difficult to assess if NBC doesn't know the case, or simply intended to let them stand.

One thing that stood out, was that Michael Robbins stated that the polygrapher isn't certified. I had never heard that before. Also the comment that the juror made that he wondered if RPD investigated other suspects as well as they completed the investigation in the apartment made sense. Heckuva lot more sense than feeling sorry for Kevin. But I can see how that videotape backfired for The State.

Interesting that Phillips stated outright that he believes Grandmother lied on the stand. And interesting that Robbins stated that he believes that DD erased the information on Nona's phone purposely.

(I would have gladly gone to TX and personally kicked Gemase's arse up between his shoulder blades if it would have shortened that first segment!!)

[Amy]

I posted my disgust w/the show on the other thread. Definately proJones, IMO. How did it compare to the other one? I mentioned 60 minutes, but someone else said it was 48 hours? (Couldn't have been on 60 minutes, as they cover half a dozen things.) Anyway, is it pretty much the same?

[The R]

Unfortunately, I only saw the latter half of the Dateline show. Did the show address why Nona was found nude? Is there a logical explanation for this like having just been in the shower? (just wondering if a serial type killer was considered) Anyone know why LE only processed the area around the body for prints/DNA as the show stated?

Thanks!
R

[FDInLaw]

Hey All! :seeya:

I have yet to see the Dateline program. . . had something else going on last night. I did watch the video clips on the Dateline site. First response. . . just grateful that Nona is getting more coverage. It's sobering to hang out on this site, so many families do not even know where there loved one is (Tara, Middy, Roxanne. . . ). Another thing, Dateline seemed to do a better job of getting more interviews and offering more perspectives. One thing that was aggravating about the 48 Hours show was how the "Beauty Queen" theme was pushed. I don't know if it was in the show or not, but I really thought M. Huckabay's comments about Nona being so much more were spot on. From what Hubby has said, the 48 Hour show pales in comparison. Anyone care to give me a quick overview??? After Hubby's comments I was sad to have missed it, but I could not get out of the engagement I had.

As we continue to discuss this case, please keep the present investigation in your prayers. We have been given a gift, often cases don't get a second going over. Let's pray that the truth will be revealed for certain.

JUSTICE 4 NONA! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

:eek: YIKES! There's a lot of lurkers!

[The R]

Hey All! :seeya:

I have yet to see the Dateline program. . . had something else going on last night. I did watch the video clips on the Dateline site. First response. . . just grateful that Nona is getting more coverage. It's sobering to hang out on this site, so many families do not even know where there loved one is (Tara, Middy, Roxanne. . . ). Another thing, Dateline seemed to do a better job of getting more interviews and offering more perspectives. One thing that was aggravating about the 48 Hours show was how the "Beauty Queen" theme was pushed. I don't know if it was in the show or not, but I really thought M. Huckabay's comments about Nona being so much more were spot on. From what Hubby has said, the 48 Hour show pales in comparison. Anyone care to give me a quick overview??? After Hubby's comments I was sad to have missed it, but I could not get out of the engagement I had.

As we continue to discuss this case, please keep the present investigation in your prayers. We have been given a gift, often cases don't get a second going over. Let's pray that the truth will be revealed for certain.

JUSTICE 4 NONA! :rose:

Sorry!

I can't give a review since I only saw the latter part. But one observation I have after watching it and the clips you refer to on the website is that I'm having trouble with the comments that KJ is sociopathic? Guess I need to do more reading but based on his reactions I'm having a hard time deciphering that aspect.

But I do agree. :rose: Justice need to be done for Nona and her family needs closure.

ITA on prayers for truth.

ALLMO,
R

[LurkerNoMore]

Dateline blew away 48 Hours as far as production - 48 was a mess in comparison.

These are my thoughts. - and I am biased - I don't think - nor did I ever think - that Kevin murdered Nona.

The Diperts just don't come across well on camera - and I don't mean that as an insult at all - it is just my interpretation and people watch it and look at Carol's facial expressions, which at times seems to be a slight smile - and DD's attitude. I don't believe Carol is sitting there smiling - I believe she may smile when she remembers something about Nona - but I think that's just her facial expression and for a mother to have lost a child - just being able to make it through the day is a feat worthy of praise - so I don't think any analysis of Carol's behavior or expressions is just or fair. DD is just DD - and unfortuately for him - his comments give producers in the entertainment business a lot to work with as far as making him look shady - and let's remember - Dateline is in the business of entertainment. They wanted DD to be considered a possibility.

I will say that the things that were mentioned surrounding DD were or should have been legitimate concerns to the defense at some point and should have forced them to consider him a suspect. But I will also say - as I have said recently - that I don't know anyone who still considers DD a suspect. A little strange - yes - a murderer - no.

On Robbins' comment about DD purposely deleting the phone info - I would like to know if Dateline edited out further comment. Of course DD purposefully deleted the phone info - he wanted to put his info into the phone. Does that mean he purposefully deleted it to hide or destroy evidence? Of course not. Dateline's editing may have left the audience to believe otherwise.

The vast, vast majority of those who saw the show came away pro-Jones and thinking DD did it from what I am reading and hearing - not counting those who followed the trial and are posters here.

But I think Dateline could have built suspicion and a compelling story out of any of the many suspects or potential suspects to make the audience think that the other person killed Nona, and they could have done the same to Kevin if they wanted to. And the thing is - that's how the investigation went. You could literally build a case against any number of people and make it work at one point or another throughout the build up to the trial. The sad thing is that the police work made this piecing-together-to-point-at-someone an option. Their failure to examine and collect evidence left open the door for many. It wasn't DD's fault he got the phone back - it was the investigators. DD isn't a lawyer or an investigator - he is a grieving stepfather, no matter whether you think he is weird or not.

Bottom line to me - as a pro-Kevin person - I thought the show was good toward Kevin and his family and horrible toward DD and Carol. Notice no one was asked - do you think DD did it? Or if they were, this was not shown - because the answer would have been no.

Do I think Kevin did it? No.
Do I think DD did it? No.

But someone did. And I pray that the truth comes out very soon.

[FDInLaw]

Lurker. . . you are part of why this is the best place on the Internet to follow Nona's case. . .thank you for sharing your thoughts. :rose:

Hugs ~ FD

[lorettalockhorn]

It's a shame that the many people who have been made aware of Nona's murder are not aware of the entire case. Many are basing their judgment that Kevin didn't kill her and that Duane or Carol or whoever did it, on inconsistencies that could have and should have been addressed.

I pray that the new investigation will lead to something--anything to bring justice for Nona. But if Kevin is the killer, that will never happen. He will continue his life of debauchery with the enabling of sycophants and fools.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry!

I can't give a review since I only saw the latter part. But one observation I have after watching it and the clips you refer to on the website is that I'm having trouble with the comments that KJ is sociopathic? Guess I need to do more reading but based on his reactions I'm having a hard time deciphering that aspect.

But I do agree. :rose: Justice need to be done for Nona and her family needs closure.

ITA on prayers for truth.

ALLMO,
RDid some reading and in one place Carol states that LE first used this term. . . did I read that right? Lunch here. . . I'll go back and find it after bit. Good to see you posting here! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Think it was Morrison who first noted that KJ had been labeled sociopathic with a narcissistic personality. Could this have been from the FBI guy who didn't testify? Still scratching my head over that; the jury never saw what an accomplished liar Kevin is.

[FDInLaw]

Carol Dirksmeyer: And I guess he just let his rage get away with him and he couldn’t control himself and it’s still hard to understand something like that..

Even through her shock about that news, she remembers what they told her about the boy who would have been her son-in-law.

Carol Dirksmeyer: The first thing that I was told was that he was a sociopath with a narcissistic personality.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24433365/page/3/


Still reading. . . was "sociopath" mentioned anywhere else? In the Dateline videos I thought Kevin came off better than in the 48 Hours show.

[The R]

Thanks for looking into that sociopath thing. Also like to ask if anyone knows if the prints on the base of the lamp were in blood? Or were they just like any other latent print? The defense points these out as if they are exculpatory but if they are not involved with the blood, they may have been left there by someone moving the lamp or just simply putting the lamp together.


ALLMO,
R

[hawgustusgloop]

If I recall correctly, the first time I ever saw the word "sociopath" associated with this case was when someone claiming to be Kevin posted some stuff on a pageant board right after the murder. Another poster (possibly Duane Dipert?) responded and basically accused Kevin of being a sociopath and showing no remorse.

[ifIwereU]

Thanks for looking into that sociopath thing. Also like to ask if anyone knows if the prints on the base of the lamp were in blood? Or were they just like any other latent print? The defense points these out as if they are exculpatory but if they are not involved with the blood, they may have been left there by someone moving the lamp or just simply putting the lamp together.


ALLMO,
R

addressing the fingerprints found on the base of the lamp...the State crime lab indicated they were not of comparison quality....but Chief Bacon of the RPD said they were.....I tend to think the Crime Lab would be more crediable. If memory serves me right, they were not in blood....and could have been Nona's; however Nona's prints were never taken...so they could not compare them to hers....

[ifIwereU]

my thoughts on the Dateline special:

they seemed to really hammer the RPD more so than 48 hours...they highlighted the inexperience of the ALL investigators, including the ASP polygraph examiner....if RPD's investigation focused on Kevin soley on the fact that KJ failed the polygraph that was a huge error IMO....my limited knowledge of polygraphs....also makes me wonder about Jones being a sociopath....most pschyopaths and sociaopaths can pass a polygraph...so why didn't jones? based on how the courier covered the case, the RPD put alot of emphasis on the how there was only one person that failed a polygraph....and that was there man.....I think RPD should have stuck to good fashioned police work and shouldn't have relied on the polygraph to solve the case. there is a reason they aren't admissible in court...they are too subjective......
it was interesting to hear the jurors opinions on what they expected to hear at the trial....they expected to hear how hard the police worked to catch a killer....but the only thing they actually heard was "a rush to judgement."

was it? remember most of the investigators at the RPD had never been involved with a homicide investigation. I would imagine there was a lot of pressure to not only solve it but to solve it quickly...

I don't fault the RPD for being inexperienced, I fault them because they didn't ask for guidance....

[SaraSidle]

FDI I did not know anything about the case and so I watched with a clear mind and can honestly say that from what Dateline showed neither KJ or DD has enough evidence against the for guilt. Maybe they left out a lot of details I do not know about though. Did bash BPD IMO.

[bxrjen]

Hi,
This is a strange (off topic) question, but I have to ask...does anyone know the song that Nona was singing in the pagent clips they showed on Dateline? She had a beautiful voice and I've heard that song before but can't think of it.
Thank you,
Jen

[lorettalockhorn]

Time to Say Goodbye (con te partiro).

[SaraSidle]

Time to Say Goodbye (con te partiro).

Oh loretta how bizarre

[lorettalockhorn]

Ironic? At any rate, it's chilling to hear in her own beautiful voice in the context of her murder.

[bxrjen]

Time to Say Goodbye (con te partiro).

Thank you!!

[SaraSidle]

Ironic? At any rate, it's chilling to hear in her own beautiful voice in the context of her murder.

ok ironic. I totally agree with you.

[lorettalockhorn]

hehehe I just tried to send you a short little message, but I botched it. Was just trying to say that I'm never quite sure how to use the word irony/ironic.

[Amy]

addressing the fingerprints found on the base of the lamp...the State crime lab indicated they were not of comparison quality....but Chief Bacon of the RPD said they were.....I tend to think the Crime Lab would be more crediable. If memory serves me right, they were not in blood....and could have been Nona's; however Nona's prints were never taken...so they could not compare them to hers....


One of the defense lawyers intimated that the prints HAD been identified and that they were not KJ's. I had always tho't they had not been identified.

The juror's comments were basically that they tho't the whole house should have been fingerprinted and examined more closely. A mention was made of LE looking for a flushed condom, but they didn't take prints off the flush lever, which might have identified someone (had they flushed the toilet.) They also mentioned they could have used information about prints on the perp's "exit" which one said was the sliding door.

It still did come out about KJ being worried about Nona not answering texts, but did not point out that he should have known the girl was supposed to be taking an exam that afternoon, and would surely have had her phone off for that time. AND, did not mention about the fact that she had dinner plans, so why in the world would he have expected her to be @ her house that evening? He says they knew everything each other was doing, had planned, they texted that often. So, WHY did he think she should be home? And, WHY was this type of information not pointed to in the show?

[FDInLaw]

Hi,
This is a strange (off topic) question, but I have to ask...does anyone know the song that Nona was singing in the pagent clips they showed on Dateline? She had a beautiful voice and I've heard that song before but can't think of it.
Thank you,
JenIt is a beautiful song!
:rose: :rose: :rose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_0FsKiS8rg

Welcome to the board Jen! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

hehehe I just tried to send you a short little message, but I botched it. Was just trying to say that I'm never quite sure how to use the word irony/ironic.

I think you did fine. Ironic was probably better than bizarre anyways.

[SaraSidle]

It is a beautiful song!
:rose: :rose: :rose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_0FsKiS8rg

Welcome to the board Jen! :seeya:

Yes welcome to the board Jen

[katytigers]

The dateline story was the first i heard of this and it seemed strange to me that the stepdad would want the phone?Its not like it was a I phone it was one of the free ones you get for getting a new plan.I just didnt buy the frugal thing.I also now understand why the state police are involved now the city police looked like barney fife .Im sure there was alot more evidence than dateline told us but based ont he story only I couldnt come close to convicting him.Also someone mentioned that the grandma didnt get brought up for a long time but on the police video he says go ask my grandmother.

[SaraSidle]

The dateline story was the first i heard of this and it seemed strange to me that the stepdad would want the phone?Its not like it was a I phone it was one of the free ones you get for getting a new plan.I just didnt buy the frugal thing.I also now understand why the state police are involved now the city police looked like barney fife .Im sure there was alot more evidence than dateline told us but based ont he story only I couldnt come close to convicting him.Also someone mentioned that the grandma didnt get brought up for a long time but on the police video he says go ask my grandmother.

And I think it was a pink phone at that. I agree Katy I had not seen this story either and I feel like we are missing a lot of information. IMO

[katytigers]

why would you want that phone for your wife to see everyday.It just raises eyebrows and its creepy but when I first saw DD say "she could live with my rules" it creeped me out the way he said it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dateline barely scraped the surface; there were many inconsistencies.

KJ said it was his and Nona's habit to text back and forth. But he didn't answer the Cuddlemuffin message.

KJ said is was his and Nona's habit to call back and forth throughout the day. But his cell records didn't support that he had been trying to call her. And she had plans for most of the day anyway.

Kevin told Dateline that when arriving in town he went to Nona's apartment. But he had been in town for a couple of days. Doing what with whom?

He described a feeling of panic when she hadn't returned his call(s). But he knew that she had a date with her Little.

He told Dateline that his plan was to escort JJ to a Christmas party. But he wasn't approved as her guest until late that afternoon.

There was testimony that he didn't arrive at the station until much later than Granny claimed. If she could have alibied him right away, mightn't that have been reason for him to never have been indicted? Why didn't she come forward until the trial?

I've barely watched once. Did I miss any other glaring discrepancies?

[katytigers]

Loretta I relize which side your on but doesnt the phone creep you out a little?Normal people dont do that

[hawgustusgloop]

I've barely watched once. Did I miss any other glaring discrepancies?

He said Nona cancelled her plans with her Little, which isn't true because the Little kept calling wondering where Nona was.

[lorettalockhorn]

He said Nona cancelled her plans with her Little, which isn't true because the Little kept calling wondering where Nona was.

DUH ME!!! :punch: And the biggie. He was going to propose that night. (But they kept it quiet because they were poor. Hence the Grammy hammy sammy.)

[katytigers]

one other thing I was shocked about why would the newspaper put a newspaper machine at the courthouse.That could have been a an appeal issue had he been convicted

[hawgustusgloop]

one other thing I was shocked about why would the newspaper put a newspaper machine at the courthouse.That could have been a an appeal issue had he been convicted

I was shocked that they mentioned the dueling papers and the newspaper dispenser, yet as far as I could tell failed to mention that Kevin's brother once worked for the Dover Times.

[lorettalockhorn]

one other thing I was shocked about why would the newspaper put a newspaper machine at the courthouse.That could have been a an appeal issue had he been convicted

Um Just guessing here. To sell newspapers? The Ozark paper is a weekly. Surely there were people who would want to read the previous day's goings on.

And surely the jury wasn't ogling the newspaper as they filed in. If they were, the bailiff wasn't doing his job.

[SaraSidle]

excuse me for being very confused. I thought they did not check messages on her cell phone that day. I thought the battery was missing.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta I relize which side your on but doesnt the phone creep you out a little?Normal people dont do that

Oops! Missed this before. Yeah, it's a little weird. But I guess he was just going to take over Nona's account. :shrug: (Is Dipert a Scottish name??) What is even stranger to me, is that it never occurred to RPD that chain of evidence should be maintained. Do they not watch TV? Read crime novels?

As for sides; I am on the side of justice and for many reasons, justice was not served here.

[hawgustusgloop]

excuse me for being very confused. I thought they did not check messages on her cell phone that day. I thought the battery was missing.

The SIM card was still in the phone. I think they were eventually able to recover messages Nona had received, but not the ones she sent.

[Amy]

The dateline story was the first i heard of this and it seemed strange to me that the stepdad would want the phone?Its not like it was a I phone it was one of the free ones you get for getting a new plan.I just didnt buy the frugal thing.I also now understand why the state police are involved now the city police looked like barney fife .Im sure there was alot more evidence than dateline told us but based ont he story only I couldnt come close to convicting him.Also someone mentioned that the grandma didnt get brought up for a long time but on the police video he says go ask my grandmother.

I wonder what he wanted them to ask his grandma about? Was that the initial interview the night of the murder? LE was just examining the crime scene. No one @ that time knew WHEN she had been murdered (except the murderer, of course.) If it was the second interview, the employee @ the station had already discounted his version of when he had been @ the station, and there would have been time for his family to have rallied around him.

(I can't remember in which interview he said that, sorry.)

[Amy]

why would you want that phone for your wife to see everyday.It just raises eyebrows and its creepy but when I first saw DD say "she could live with my rules" it creeped me out the way he said it.

That didn't seem strange to me @ all. In fact, I have relative of the kids living in my house right now for that very reason. She doesn't want to live by the rules in her dad/stepmom's house, and she doens't want to live by the rules in her mom/stepdad's house, either. The "rules" don't have to be anything sinister, just curfew, or maybe even just letting mom know when you plan to get in @ night, or if you plan on not coming home that night, etc. IMO

[Amy]

Um Just guessing here. To sell newspapers? The Ozark paper is a weekly. Surely there were people who would want to read the previous day's goings on.

And surely the jury wasn't ogling the newspaper as they filed in. If they were, the bailiff wasn't doing his job.

I must say, whatever the big do about the paper was went right over my head. So, there was a newspaper box. In my experience (maybe it's just my old eyes) you have to get up to it and stop and LOOK @ what the front page is all about. Seemed like a rational idea, to have the newspapers where the general public is, to sell newspapers, which is what they want.

That's like in a somewhat local case. The defense requested that no one where buttons or tshirts with the victim's picture. Uh, the jury KNOWS who the victim is, they KNOW what the trial is about, so people wearing the buttons is going to affect their decision how? I mean, even the prosecution has pics of the victim up in front of the jury.

[ifIwereU]

I wonder what he wanted them to ask his grandma about? Was that the initial interview the night of the murder? LE was just examining the crime scene. No one @ that time knew WHEN she had been murdered (except the murderer, of course.) If it was the second interview, the employee @ the station had already discounted his version of when he had been @ the station, and there would have been time for his family to have rallied around him.

(I can't remember in which interview he said that, sorry.)


the reference to grandma wasn't in the first interview....so it must have come from the interview done the night of the visitation, which was not shown in court. sounds like RPD was not aware of grandma's information until after KJ used her as an alibi in the 2nd interview....sounds too convinient to me...

[LurkerNoMore]

The dateline story was the first i heard of this and it seemed strange to me that the stepdad would want the phone?Its not like it was a I phone it was one of the free ones you get for getting a new plan.I just didnt buy the frugal thing.I also now understand why the state police are involved now the city police looked like barney fife .Im sure there was alot more evidence than dateline told us but based ont he story only I couldnt come close to convicting him.Also someone mentioned that the grandma didnt get brought up for a long time but on the police video he says go ask my grandmother.

Good catch about the grandma. Great catch, I'd say. Very significant.

[lorettalockhorn]

the reference to grandma wasn't in the first interview....so it must have come from the interview done the night of the visitation, which was not shown in court. sounds like RPD was not aware of grandma's information until after KJ used her as an alibi in the 2nd interview....sounds too convinient to me...

Didn't they ask him about his schedule the night of the murder? Seems like he would have remembered what time he went in to work so that they could check out his alibi right away. Granny having seen him at 11:30 was uber-convenient. IMO

[Evening2]

Thanks for looking into that sociopath thing. Also like to ask if anyone knows if the prints on the base of the lamp were in blood? Or were they just like any other latent print? The defense points these out as if they are exculpatory but if they are not involved with the blood, they may have been left there by someone moving the lamp or just simply putting the lamp together.


ALLMO,
R

I watched the first show (48 hours?) about a month or so ago, and if I remember it correctly, the prints on the lamp WERE in blood. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong which I certainly may be.

[Evening2]

The dateline story was the first i heard of this and it seemed strange to me that the stepdad would want the phone?Its not like it was a I phone it was one of the free ones you get for getting a new plan.I just didnt buy the frugal thing.I also now understand why the state police are involved now the city police looked like barney fife .Im sure there was alot more evidence than dateline told us but based ont he story only I couldnt come close to convicting him.Also someone mentioned that the grandma didnt get brought up for a long time but on the police video he says go ask my grandmother.

When I watched the 48-hrs show, there was something about the step-dad that caused me to hone right in on him. The funny thing is, until having watched it, I didn't know a thing about the case previously. I think that tells me something. Does anyone else have that same feeling?

[lorettalockhorn]

I watched the first show (48 hours?) about a month or so ago, and if I remember it correctly, the prints on the lamp WERE in blood. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong which I certainly may be.

No, there was Jones' palm print in Nona's blood on the light bulb that was a part of the lamp. The latent prints on the "business end" of the lamp were not in blood.

(And someone correct me if I'm disremembering.)

[lorettalockhorn]

When I watched the 48-hrs show, there was something about the step-dad that caused me to hone right in on him. The funny thing is, until having watched it, I didn't know a thing about the case previously. I think that tells me something. Does anyone else have that same feeling?

Lots of people who don't know about the case or that DD had an alibi seem to zero in on him. Lots of people apparently think that Carol is too pleasant looking. She smiles too much. Isn't sad enough. Etc. She has an alibi too, but I've seen people declare that she did it. :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Lots of people who don't know about the case or that DD had an alibi seem to zero in on him. Lots of people apparently think that Carol is too pleasant looking. She smiles too much. Isn't sad enough. Etc. She has an alibi too, but I've seen people declare that she did it. :shrug:

I always thought the insanity about Carol not acting "correctly" or possibly being involved was completely absurd and insensitive. She used that same tone and expression on 48 Hours when she said (and I'm paraphrasing here) the person who murdered Nona should have to pay for it with his life. Why would she say that if she was somehow involved? She appears to be the type of person who just has a natural smile on her face most of the time. I think it makes her look like a friendly and approachable person but that is JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I always thought the insanity about Carol not acting "correctly" or possibly being involved was completely absurd and insensitive. She used that same tone and expression on 48 Hours when she said (and I'm paraphrasing here) the person who murdered Nona should have to pay for it with his life. Why would she say that if she was somehow involved? She appears to be the type of person who just has a natural smile on her face most of the time. I think it makes her look like a friendly and approachable person but that is JMO.

Couldn't agree more; I feel she has a naturally pleasant demeanor, maybe it has been honed from her years of nursing to demonstrate friendliness and caring in her patients and their relatives.

[SaraSidle]

The SIM card was still in the phone. I think they were eventually able to recover messages Nona had received, but not the ones she sent.

thank you somewhere I missed that

[Evening2]

No, there was Jones' palm print in Nona's blood on the light bulb that was a part of the lamp. The latent prints on the "business end" of the lamp were not in blood.

(And someone correct me if I'm disremembering.)

Yes, Loretta, that sounds more like it. It's starting to come back to me. Thanks for keeping me and the facts straight. :o

[Amy]

I always thought the insanity about Carol not acting "correctly" or possibly being involved was completely absurd and insensitive. She used that same tone and expression on 48 Hours when she said (and I'm paraphrasing here) the person who murdered Nona should have to pay for it with his life. Why would she say that if she was somehow involved? She appears to be the type of person who just has a natural smile on her face most of the time. I think it makes her look like a friendly and approachable person but that is JMO.

I wonder why it was okay for some folk to say Carol wasn't acting correctly, but would be rather outraged if someone mentioned that KJ wasn't acting all that upset (except in the interviews) what with his continuing to party and all that.

[upallnight]

Dateline blew away 48 Hours as far as production - 48 was a mess in comparison.

These are my thoughts. - and I am biased - I don't think - nor did I ever think - that Kevin murdered Nona.

The Diperts just don't come across well on camera - and I don't mean that as an insult at all - it is just my interpretation and people watch it and look at Carol's facial expressions, which at times seems to be a slight smile - and DD's attitude. I don't believe Carol is sitting there smiling - I believe she may smile when she remembers something about Nona - but I think that's just her facial expression and for a mother to have lost a child - just being able to make it through the day is a feat worthy of praise - so I don't think any analysis of Carol's behavior or expressions is just or fair. DD is just DD - and unfortuately for him - his comments give producers in the entertainment business a lot to work with as far as making him look shady - and let's remember - Dateline is in the business of entertainment. They wanted DD to be considered a possibility.

I will say that the things that were mentioned surrounding DD were or should have been legitimate concerns to the defense at some point and should have forced them to consider him a suspect. But I will also say - as I have said recently - that I don't know anyone who still considers DD a suspect. A little strange - yes - a murderer - no.

On Robbins' comment about DD purposely deleting the phone info - I would like to know if Dateline edited out further comment. Of course DD purposefully deleted the phone info - he wanted to put his info into the phone. Does that mean he purposefully deleted it to hide or destroy evidence? Of course not. Dateline's editing may have left the audience to believe otherwise.

The vast, vast majority of those who saw the show came away pro-Jones and thinking DD did it from what I am reading and hearing - not counting those who followed the trial and are posters here.

But I think Dateline could have built suspicion and a compelling story out of any of the many suspects or potential suspects to make the audience think that the other person killed Nona, and they could have done the same to Kevin if they wanted to. And the thing is - that's how the investigation went. You could literally build a case against any number of people and make it work at one point or another throughout the build up to the trial. The sad thing is that the police work made this piecing-together-to-point-at-someone an option. Their failure to examine and collect evidence left open the door for many. It wasn't DD's fault he got the phone back - it was the investigators. DD isn't a lawyer or an investigator - he is a grieving stepfather, no matter whether you think he is weird or not.

Bottom line to me - as a pro-Kevin person - I thought the show was good toward Kevin and his family and horrible toward DD and Carol. Notice no one was asked - do you think DD did it? Or if they were, this was not shown - because the answer would have been no.

Do I think Kevin did it? No.
Do I think DD did it? No.

But someone did. And I pray that the truth comes out very soon.

Wow Lurker, you are right-you can't judge a book by it's cover that's for sure, no matter if you think KJ did it or not. I to sure hope and pray for the truth to come out very soon - for Nona and her family first and foremost, and for all of us who care about Nona. Although we seem to agree to disagree on this thread much of the time, for the most part many of our hearts are in the right place no matter which side we hang our hats as of now. Thanks and Good Post Lurker, well said! I agree with FD, this new investigation is a blessing, the waiting is just so hard, but it keeps the hope for the truth alive.:beer: :rose: :rose: :rose: For Nona and your family, you have touched so many hearts and are in our prayers.

[upallnight]

I was shocked that they mentioned the dueling papers and the newspaper dispenser, yet as far as I could tell failed to mention that Kevin's brother once worked for the Dover Times.

They also make it sound like all people living in Dover think KJ is innocent, and those living in Russellville think KJ is guilty. That is not true. Nona and Kevin both spent much time in Dover. Nona held her own and was treated with the respect she gave others. She was a sweet girl is what I hear from most. Never anything bad. The defense tried to make her look like a bad person while speaking of her relationships, but you know what - Nona was not on trial and they have yet to name any of those they spoke of as a new suspect. She never hurt anyone. I am pretty sure she could have her pick, not just because she was beautiful on the outside, she was just the whole package, smart-sensative but strong, independent and just a down right good person to say the least! The defense sure did not want KJ's personal relationships out in the public eye! And he was on trial. Even if it is proved someone else killed Nona, I think it is wrong for a trial to be allowed to be a one way street on such things. I would hope if someone else is ever on trial for Nona's murder, the truth comes out for all to know of the person on trial also. I can not think of one single time she was ever involved in trouble with police etc. She seemed very involved in the act of giving to others. She was growing into what would have been a person that would have been respected by many based on her OWN actions. Nona seemed to have a sense of responsibility and self respect/respect for others that I don't always see in someone her age. Well, I went way off subject so-back on the subject, weird, but I never noticed that newpaper stand there. Did not notice much anyway other than what was going on in court and trying to fight back tears to say the very least.

[upallnight]

the reference to grandma wasn't in the first interview....so it must have come from the interview done the night of the visitation, which was not shown in court. sounds like RPD was not aware of grandma's information until after KJ used her as an alibi in the 2nd interview....sounds too convinient to me...

I caught that to on dateline, just not real sure what KJ was talking about or if anything had been edited. And yes, sounds convinient to me to based on how it is looked at. I had not heard that before, my husband and I just looked at each other and said-what? Ask my grandma what? When was this taped? You can only imagine the questions going through our mind knowing it was known to us as much later the granny alibi came up. But in reality, if he did kill Nona-he was probably looking very quick for a secure alibi from someone he knew would be believed. But it did make me do a double look and listen that is for sure. It also made me understand in a whole new light that this new investigation is for the best with new eyes and all. Not that it will prove someone else did it but could prove some things that was never brought out and possibly new charges, who knows. Could bring out the truth and that alone will help.

[upallnight]

No, there was Jones' palm print in Nona's blood on the light bulb that was a part of the lamp. The latent prints on the "business end" of the lamp were not in blood.

(And someone correct me if I'm disremembering.)

L, you are 100% correct.

[iluvmua]

I have a question: If Kevin Jones did not kill Nona then why did he turn himself in to the police?

A LOT of people that watched the Dateline special about this case posted on the Dateline message board that Nona 's Stepfather is the one who killed her.

(I admit the stepfather is a little weird) but you can't base a "This guy is guilty" or "Her stepfather killed her" based on just by what the guy says or can you?

also can KJ ever be retried for the murder of Nona? and did they clear her stepfather as a potential suspect?

I'm new here

Iluvmua

[lorettalockhorn]

Kevin Jones was given the courtesy of turning himself in at his convenience to avoid a perp walk. He was indicted; there was a warrant for his arrest.

Please don't be fooled by the sensationalism and bias of the Dateline and 48 Hours programs. Please read about the case.

That is NOT to say that there won't be new evidence at the culmination of McQuary's investigation. Just saying that there are many reasons that people feel that KJ is Nona's killer.

And BTW, it has zero to do with the Civil War. WTF was that all about? Anyone? Anyone?

Yes, DD had an alibi. No, Kevin cannot be retried for the murder charge.

[FDInLaw]

I have a question: If Kevin Jones did not kill Nona then why did he turn himself in to the police?

A LOT of people that watched the Dateline special about this case posted on the Dateline message board that Nona 's Stepfather is the one who killed her.

(I admit the stepfather is a little weird) but you can't base a "This guy is guilty" or "Her stepfather killed her" based on just by what the guy says or can you?

also can KJ ever be retried for the murder of Nona? and did they clear her stepfather as a potential suspect?

I'm new here

IluvmuaWelcome the the board! :seeya: You're right, being weird doesn't amount to anything if there is no actual evidence. The comment threads make it evident that idiots still run rampant in our society. You can't convict someone on the basis of a "feeling" they give you. Also, do keep in mind that many of the comments are identical to ones that were made on the Internet before Kevin was even arrested. Yes, some of the comments have been made by people new to the case, but many are not and could well be a few punk kids trying to get at the victim's family. JMO

[iluvmua]

Welcome the the board! :seeya: You're right, being weird doesn't amount to anything if there is no actual evidence. The comment threads make it evident that idiots still run rampant in our society. You can't convict someone on the basis of a "feeling" they give you. Also, do keep in mind that many of the comments are identical to ones that were made on the Internet before Kevin was even arrested. Yes, some of the comments have been made by people new to the case, but many are not and could well be a few punk kids trying to get at the victim's family. JMO

Hi, FDinLaw Do you know if they (LE) ever considered Nona's stepfather a suspect? do you live in Russellville? You seem to know a LOT about this case. :)

[iluvmua]

Hi, FDinLaw Do you know if they (LE) ever considered Nona's stepfather a suspect? do you live in Russellville? You seem to know a LOT about this case. :)

Also, what if KJ eventually confesses to murdering Nona? then where will this case go since he can't be retried for her death?

[lorettalockhorn]

iluvmua, here's a link to information about the case:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=250375

[usfbulls08]

Hi everyone! I'm new, but I first caught wind of this on MSN a few days ago and became very enthralled by the case, since I am also around her age and a college student with a long term boyfriend, etc.

I've been reading a lot of the posts, and you all are so informed. I just wanted to say about people thinking it was strange for Jones to call Nona and be worried. I just got done taking my exams, and my boyfriend still calls me a million times between exams to see how I did, etc. And he gets very worried if I don't respond, so I didn't find that too uncommon. Especially if he was a little on the controlling and jealous side.

Also, I find it stange he took his mom and friend with him to the apartment, but I was thinking... What if he had stopped by earlier in the day, esp. if she had been dating other men to surprise her between finals and 'check in on her' (maybe thinking she was up to no good?) and had gone in and seen her dead? It seems like something a lot of guys I know would do if they hadn't heard from their girlfriend and had a key. I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but because he 'watched CSI' etc. maybe he thought that he would automatically be suspected, and so he brought people with him later to 'discover' her, and since he had left finger prints earlier, he had 'contaminated' the crime scene, so he wouldn't be suspected of a crime he didn't commit. And he made up the whole engagement thing to take suspicion off of himself.

That could also be the reason for him failing a polygraph, since he would be lying (if he found her earlier, though he did not kill her.)

I'm no sociopath, but when I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for something I didn't do, I panic and start thinking of how people thought I did something I didn't do, and it makes me nervous and act suspicious.

Another thing (sorry this is so long!) I found it odd that 3 people had keys: Nona, momma, and Kevin. So, I don't think it's hard to believe maybe DD had killed her. I've heard rumors that he lusted for her. And maybe he didn't know her and KJ didn't use condoms, so he planted it there and took her jeans (maybe he'd seen her that day?) with the underwear w/ KJ's and her's "juices" in it and put them near her to implicate them. I just find it strange that a girl with some money has a step dad who would even want to use his dead step daughter's phone. That kind of rubs me the wrong way.

That's my 2 cents, sorry if I'm misinformed in any way or am repeating things, I just was thinking that maybe they were logical explanations?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow usfbulls, I had no idea that the MSN site had rumors about the stepfather lusting after Nona. I better get back over there and read. Never really heard that Nona had money. Got any idea how much? You've picked up a lot of information in just a couple of days. Keep on sleuthing!

BTW, Kevin's phone records don't support that he was calling her all day. And he knew that she had plans for the evening, so there was no need for him to expect her to be home, answer the door, or for him to be frantic.

If your BF is controlling and jealous, you should talk to someone about it. It rarely gets better. And frequently worse is deadly.

[FDInLaw]

Hi everyone! I'm new, but I first caught wind of this on MSN a few days ago and became very enthralled by the case, since I am also around her age and a college student with a long term boyfriend, etc.

I've been reading a lot of the posts, and you all are so informed. I just wanted to say about people thinking it was strange for Jones to call Nona and be worried. I just got done taking my exams, and my boyfriend still calls me a million times between exams to see how I did, etc. And he gets very worried if I don't respond, so I didn't find that too uncommon. Especially if he was a little on the controlling and jealous side.

Also, I find it stange he took his mom and friend with him to the apartment, but I was thinking... What if he had stopped by earlier in the day, esp. if she had been dating other men to surprise her between finals and 'check in on her' (maybe thinking she was up to no good?) and had gone in and seen her dead? It seems like something a lot of guys I know would do if they hadn't heard from their girlfriend and had a key. I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but because he 'watched CSI' etc. maybe he thought that he would automatically be suspected, and so he brought people with him later to 'discover' her, and since he had left finger prints earlier, he had 'contaminated' the crime scene, so he wouldn't be suspected of a crime he didn't commit. And he made up the whole engagement thing to take suspicion off of himself.

That could also be the reason for him failing a polygraph, since he would be lying (if he found her earlier, though he did not kill her.)

I'm no sociopath, but when I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for something I didn't do, I panic and start thinking of how people thought I did something I didn't do, and it makes me nervous and act suspicious.

Another thing (sorry this is so long!) I found it odd that 3 people had keys: Nona, momma, and Kevin. So, I don't think it's hard to believe maybe DD had killed her. I've heard rumors that he lusted for her. And maybe he didn't know her and KJ didn't use condoms, so he planted it there and took her jeans (maybe he'd seen her that day?) with the underwear w/ KJ's and her's "juices" in it and put them near her to implicate them. I just find it strange that a girl with some money has a step dad who would even want to use his dead step daughter's phone. That kind of rubs me the wrong way.

That's my 2 cents, sorry if I'm misinformed in any way or am repeating things, I just was thinking that maybe they were logical explanations?Isn't it possible that the key was at work with Carol??? I don't get your logic here.

Your statements about DD "lusting" are uncalled for. . . is there any evidence to support this rumor? That's the problem, there are a plethora of rumors out there but only one murderer. There was the Bubba Turner rumor. . . but he was out of town. The rumor about Nona's bisexual best friend. . . she was out of town. Jeremy Martin. . . he was working that morning and with people. Don't you see a pattern here??? I suggest you look for the facts before posting unsubstantiated rumors like you take them seriously. Otherwise you look kind of foolish. JMHO

BTW. . . Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I for one am wondering how Duane is going to get his grubby paws on Nona's money. Surely she wouldn't have named him the beneficiary of her wealth if he was harassing her.

I've just read more comments at the Dateline site, and I've got to say that it's amazing what conclusions people will jump to when given so little information. Wonder how many are Kevin's confederates?

And so many people are praising K Morrison. I don't know how he can be proud of his work in this episode (not a regular viewer) and don't know if his gesturing and holding his mouth during the interviews are for dramatic effect or what. He sure is nelly.

[FDInLaw]

Well, I for one am wondering how Duane is going to get his grubby paws on Nona's money. Surely she wouldn't have named him the beneficiary of her wealth if he was harassing her.

I've just read more comments at the Dateline site, and I've got to say that it's amazing what conclusions people will jump to when given so little information. Wonder how many are Kevin's confederates?

And so many people are praising K Morrison. I don't know how he can be proud of his work in this episode (not a regular viewer) and don't know if his gesturing and holding his mouth during the interviews are for dramatic effect or what. He sure is nelly.
Funny, on the Dateline show Kevin stated that he and Nona kept their plans to themselves because they were both poor! :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

Funny, on the Dateline show Kevin stated that he and Nona kept their plans to themselves because they were both poor! :rolleyes:

Well, it's humiliating enough that Granny has to buy you a ham sammy. But it would really suck for your fiancee to have to buy her own engagement ring. :punch:

[upallnight]

Hi everyone! I'm new, but I first caught wind of this on MSN a few days ago and became very enthralled by the case, since I am also around her age and a college student with a long term boyfriend, etc.

I've been reading a lot of the posts, and you all are so informed. I just wanted to say about people thinking it was strange for Jones to call Nona and be worried. I just got done taking my exams, and my boyfriend still calls me a million times between exams to see how I did, etc. And he gets very worried if I don't respond, so I didn't find that too uncommon. Especially if he was a little on the controlling and jealous side.

Also, I find it stange he took his mom and friend with him to the apartment, but I was thinking... What if he had stopped by earlier in the day, esp. if she had been dating other men to surprise her between finals and 'check in on her' (maybe thinking she was up to no good?) and had gone in and seen her dead? It seems like something a lot of guys I know would do if they hadn't heard from their girlfriend and had a key. I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but because he 'watched CSI' etc. maybe he thought that he would automatically be suspected, and so he brought people with him later to 'discover' her, and since he had left finger prints earlier, he had 'contaminated' the crime scene, so he wouldn't be suspected of a crime he didn't commit. And he made up the whole engagement thing to take suspicion off of himself.

That could also be the reason for him failing a polygraph, since he would be lying (if he found her earlier, though he did not kill her.)

I'm no sociopath, but when I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for something I didn't do, I panic and start thinking of how people thought I did something I didn't do, and it makes me nervous and act suspicious.

Another thing (sorry this is so long!) I found it odd that 3 people had keys: Nona, momma, and Kevin. So, I don't think it's hard to believe maybe DD had killed her. I've heard rumors that he lusted for her. And maybe he didn't know her and KJ didn't use condoms, so he planted it there and took her jeans (maybe he'd seen her that day?) with the underwear w/ KJ's and her's "juices" in it and put them near her to implicate them. I just find it strange that a girl with some money has a step dad who would even want to use his dead step daughter's phone. That kind of rubs me the wrong way.

That's my 2 cents, sorry if I'm misinformed in any way or am repeating things, I just was thinking that maybe they were logical explanations?

Good grief, DD lusting for Nona on MSN, what a crock! I must go there to let out some frustrations now! That just is not right! Seems like if such was true these people would have come forward long ago if they really cared! That would be in any case, not just Nona's. Would think those spreading such things is not a happy person themself and likes to try to make others feel the same way. Did they say they had proof? I'm sure they did not, more than likely just someone that needs there mouth washed out with soap! Lye soap! But thanks for the post. Oh, by the way, it was proved in the trial KJ lied about trying to call Nona as much as he said he did. That's just one of the lies KJ told. Not trying to be mean, just do not understand why someone would just say such a thing. Would like to know who said it, might need some butt wipe one day!

[upallnight]

Funny, on the Dateline show Kevin stated that he and Nona kept their plans to themselves because they were both poor! :rolleyes:

Ah ha..... Good One!

[The R]

Well, I for one am wondering how Duane is going to get his grubby paws on Nona's money. Surely she wouldn't have named him the beneficiary of her wealth if he was harassing her.

I've just read more comments at the Dateline site, and I've got to say that it's amazing what conclusions people will jump to when given so little information. Wonder how many are Kevin's confederates?

And so many people are praising K Morrison. I don't know how he can be proud of his work in this episode (not a regular viewer) and don't know if his gesturing and holding his mouth during the interviews are for dramatic effect or what. He sure is nelly.

Well, I'd have to say I have less respect for Dateline and Harrison now. I used to be a regular viewer but am not so sure now that I could continue to be one. When I compare what Dateline inferred about DD and the cell phone with courtroom testimony from experts (thianks to a link provided by you) I'd have to say that Dateline should be ashamed. To cast dispersion without checking factual testimony is pretty lowball IMO and I'm not sure it's not libelous. I think if I were DD I'd check into that and ask for a retraction.

From time to time I've appreciated yellow journalism and its purpose, but this instance of it is irresponsible reporting and over the top IMO.

R

[hawgustusgloop]

Well, I'd have to say I have less respect for Dateline and Harrison now. I used to be a regular viewer but am not so sure now that I could continue to be one. When I compare what Dateline inferred about DD and the cell phone with courtroom testimony from experts (thianks to a link provided by you) I'd have to say that Dateline should be ashamed. To cast dispersion without checking factual testimony is pretty lowball IMO and I'm not sure it's not libelous. I think if I were DD I'd check into that and ask for a retraction.

From time to time I've appreciated yellow journalism and its purpose, but this instance of it is irresponsible reporting and over the top IMO.

R

I agree they were QUITE careless in the way they presented some things, especially Duane Dipert and the whole phone fiasco. At least they didn't seem to quite reach the level of over-the-top canonization of Kevin we saw on the 48 Hours episode. But then again, I only caught the last 35 minutes or so. I will never view these types of shows the same way I did before.


Welcome to Nona's forum, The R. I've read many of your thoughtful posts about the Tara case, and am glad you are joining us here.

[iluvmua]

[QUOTE=hawgustusgloop;9098045]I agree they were QUITE careless in the way they presented some things, especially Duane Dipert and the whole phone fiasco. At least they didn't seem to quite reach the level of over-the-top canonization of Kevin we saw on the 48 Hours episode. But then again, I only caught the last 35 minutes or so. I will never view these types of shows the same way I did before.


Hi Hawgustusgloop, If you want to watch the full hour of the Dateline show about Nona you can view it by going to their website. They have it posted there.

[The R]

I agree they were QUITE careless in the way they presented some things, especially Duane Dipert and the whole phone fiasco. At least they didn't seem to quite reach the level of over-the-top canonization of Kevin we saw on the 48 Hours episode. But then again, I only caught the last 35 minutes or so. I will never view these types of shows the same way I did before.


Welcome to Nona's forum, The R. I've read many of your thoughtful posts about the Tara case, and am glad you are joining us here.


hey thanks for the kind remarks hawgustusgloop! Nona's case is intriguing and it is a shame her killer hasn't paid the price for their actions yet. I hope and pray that will happen soon. I appreciate the posters here also, most are very well read and knowledgable about this case; nice to learn a few things from folks who have already been there!

(one day I may even figure out how you came up with that name:) )

ALLMO,
R

[upallnight]

hey thanks for the kind remarks hawgustusgloop! Nona's case is intriguing and it is a shame her killer hasn't paid the price for their actions yet. I hope and pray that will happen soon. I appreciate the posters here also, most are very well read and knowledgable about this case; nice to learn a few things from folks who have already been there!

(one day I may even figure out how you came up with that name:) )

ALLMO,
R

Hi R, just wanted to say thanks for posting. Like FD said, one person can make a difference. That one statement says alot. Who knows, with so many people communicating abut Nona's case, be it on this thread, work, school, coffee shop etc., maybe that one person is out there and saw something that seemed perfectly innocent but was not. That stick is somewhere, never know could be someone saw a person with a stick that day. Just an example but people communicate through different methods. The more methods used to get Nona's story out there, the better chance at finding out the truth. Sometimes the police need all the help they can get. The public sure out number the police, more eyes, ears, etc. Anyway, thanks so much for being there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Agree with the assessments of Dateline. It was careless at best and yellow journalism at worst. And despite the fact that people at the site praise Morrison's work, it's obvious that he didn't know the case. I think he even mentioned DD's testimony at one point. HUH?

And you know, I don't have a problem with Duane's hands off childrearing policy when it comes to Nona. She was a young adult; what was he supposed to be teaching her at this point in his life, other than that he would be there for her if he needed her? And so much is made of her moving out. Many independent young women who old enough for a place of their own don't want to live with the parents. And it makes more sense that she might want to give them some privacy. It's possible that Nona felt she might hinder Carol's and Duane's bonding and nesting.

I can't say that Dateline did more harm than good, because they brought Nona's beauty and promise and tragedy into the limelight. But their bias or incompetency also misled many people too lazy or shortsighted from learning the facts of the case. I'll probably only watch once more; to see if Morrison uses the same affectations that he used in this segment to feign surprise or horror or to stifle laughter or hide bad teeth or whatever the hell he was doing.

And I'll wonder how many people he and NBC have duped in the past with irresponsible narratives, interviews and sloppy editing.

[Amy]

I think you are quite right about the childrearing--because the child was already reared, really. I think he was pretty smart not to rush into his new family life like a bull in a china closet.

I also think that, @ 19, Nona's going out on her own was a natural progression in the stages of life. We all know she had intimate contact with @ the least KJ, and it does kind of put a crimp in activities to have to haul out of mom's house for some intimate time. Plus, Carol (maybe even before DD was in the picture) might have set a curfew or some rules about coming home late @ nite that Nona wouldn't have to deal with if she moved out.

And, it could very well be, as you post, that Nona felt it appropriate to leave the newlyweds space, and give herself space @ the same time.

[The R]

Hi R, just wanted to say thanks for posting. Like FD said, one person can make a difference. That one statement says alot. Who knows, with so many people communicating abut Nona's case, be it on this thread, work, school, coffee shop etc., maybe that one person is out there and saw something that seemed perfectly innocent but was not. That stick is somewhere, never know could be someone saw a person with a stick that day. Just an example but people communicate through different methods. The more methods used to get Nona's story out there, the better chance at finding out the truth. Sometimes the police need all the help they can get. The public sure out number the police, more eyes, ears, etc. Anyway, thanks so much for being there.

Hey thanks for the kind remarks upallnight! I've lurked a little from time to time on Nona's case here and was sure it was resolved when an arrest was made, esp since there hadn't been much report of violent crime in Russellville for years. Too bad simple logic and common sense seemed lost in the process of the trial IMO.

R