Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 6)

[Chocoholic]

From the article:

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their rearrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.

Gee, just remain silent and then get out of jail scot-free! Because you remain silent, the case is dropped and the evidence is not further pursued!

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

The "suspect" has to be Joran - as only Joran and Satish were in school at the time - and the next day, Satish did not go to school because he felt sick.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

This just shows MORE "evidence" that ALE didn't bother to follow up!


NN, this whole thing is making me sicker by the day. What more does anyone need than this to understand these MEN are in this up to their lying mouths - that they are the ones who harmed Natalee.

This is getting worse by the day -<snipped for hateful comments>.

jmo

Some forensic evidence would be helpful, did you find any yet?

[Chocoholic]

Thanks for bringing this info here, Luke - I was wondering how the search was going.

It's going swimmingly. Perhaps Kyle and Hodges can agree on where they ought to search?

[HiLife]

Some forensic evidence would be helpful, did you find any yet?
There's all kinds of evidence to arrive at the logical conclusion that J2K harmed Natalee - not just "forensic."

jmo

[Chocoholic]

There's all kinds of evidence to arrive at the logical conclusion that J2K harmed Natalee - not just "forensic."

jmo

How's that working so far?

[HiLife]

How's that working so far?

Unfortunately, due to such stunning incompetence (as witnessed throughout the case, right up to the link provided by NoNic dated yesterday) by ALE and other Aruban entities, legally, not "working out."

There are many scenarios. One, I do believe in God and His hand of justice on these men (some may call it "Karma") - if not in this life, then the next. They and their lives (in the very minimum) will not be blessed. They have a rough road ahead of them.

Two, I firmly believe in the "court of public opinion" these men will be pariahs the rest of their lives. Like OJ, they will be ridiculed and shunned.

Three, I'm still of the mindset that sometime in the future, something or someone will "break" and come forward with the truth, OR something will be discovered, OR one of these men will commit another unlawful act.

I truly believe this case is far from over.

jmo

[Grandad]

<snip>
One, I do believe in God and His hand of justice on these men (some may call it "Karma") - if not in this life, then the next. They and their lives (in the very minimum) will not be blessed. They have a rough road ahead of them.

<snip>


Why didn't God protect Natalee?

What could Beth have done that was so terrible that she deserved what Karma dumped on her?

[Luke Davis]

Someone else: I hope she is not dead.
Deepak: I have no idea if she is.
Se: Really?
Deepak: I swear it.
Se: Come on, she must be. By now?
Deepak: Who knows?
Se: But if she is, is that good or bad?
Deepak: That she is dead, is bad. That she is alive, is good. I don't know which.


Is this the NEW evidence? Hans Mos, you are no editor.:chicken:
AND this is old.

[No Nic]

Why didn't God protect Natalee?

What could Beth have done that was so terrible that she deserved what Karma dumped on her?


No need to guess or ask what Joran has done that is so terrible he deserves the Karma dumped on HIM and his family for the last 2.5 years. It is being revealed that he is responsible for the death of Natalee, but I guess this judge does needs a video tape of the death, because "no body, no case" is now another new and inproved Aruban motto.

God Bless Natalee Ann Holloway and Willard "Bud" Larson, two innocent victims forever lost on the horrid, inhumane, black hearted island of Aruba.

[fairmaiden]

No need to guess or ask what Joran has done that is so terrible he deserves the Karma dumped on HIM and his family for the last 2.5 years. It is being revealed that he is responsible for the death of Natalee, but I guess this judge does needs a video tape of the death, because "no body, no case" is now another new and inproved Aruban motto.

God Bless Natalee Ann Holloway and Willard "Bud" Larson, two innocent victims forever lost on the horrid, inhumane, black hearted island of Aruba.

Admittedly I have been busy with Christmas .... but where is it being revealed that Joran is responsible for Natalee's death ??

[No Nic]

Admittedly I have been busy with Christmas .... but where is it being revealed that Joran is responsible for Natalee's death ??

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/index.html

[fairmaiden]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/index.html

Thank you for the link .... but, unless I missed it, where does it say Joran is responsible for Natalee's death ??

[ortiga]

No need to guess or ask what Joran has done that is so terrible he deserves the Karma dumped on HIM and his family for the last 2.5 years. It is being revealed that he is responsible for the death of Natalee, but I guess this judge does needs a video tape of the death, because "no body, no case" is now another new and inproved Aruban motto.

God Bless Natalee Ann Holloway and Willard "Bud" Larson, two innocent victims forever lost on the horrid, inhumane, black hearted island of Aruba.


It is not "being revealed that he (joran) is responsible for the death of Natalee" any more than it is "being revealed that Beth and Jug are responsible for the death of Natalee".

That is quite xenophobic to describe another country as being "black hearted", "horrid", and "inhumane". Also quite uncivil.

[ortiga]

Thank you for the link .... but, unless I missed it, where does it say Joran is responsible for Natalee's death ??

It doesn't.

So, what are you busy with? Are you making Christmas cookies?

I'm thinking about drinking some egg nog. :)

[ortiga]

"Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.
«If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court,» said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe."

"Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese."

http://www.pr-inside.com/aruban-defense-attorneys-dispute-alleged-r360111.htm

[Chocoholic]

Like OJ, they will be ridiculed and shunned.



Unlike OJ there was forensic evidence and not just one but TWO dead bodies and a trail of blood. Oh I know it was the incompetent police officers that planted the evidence, and they almost succeeded.

[No Nic]

It is not "being revealed that he (joran) is responsible for the death of Natalee" any more than it is "being revealed that Beth and Jug are responsible for the death of Natalee".

That is quite xenophobic to describe another country as being "black hearted", "horrid", and "inhumane". Also quite uncivil.

Adj. 1. xenophobic - suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/xenophobic

Thought you must need a reminder what the definition is.

I am not afraid of Aruba and I don't have a hatred of things strange or foreign, just because I have an opinion about one little horrid, inhumane, black hearted island.

Your name calling and continuous accusations of others being "uncivil" is what is "uncivil".

[Grandad]

No need to guess or ask what Joran has done that is so terrible he deserves the Karma dumped on HIM and his family for the last 2.5 years.

<snip>


It wasn't Karma that dumped on Joran and his family, it was Beth Twitty.

[Grandad]

<snip>

I'm thinking about drinking some egg nog. :)


Hmmm. I think I'll drink some single malt Scotch.

I got a bottle of Oban for my birthday, and it is sooooo smooooooth.

[Grandad]

Adj. 1. xenophobic - suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/xenophobic

Thought you must need a reminder what the definition is.

I am not afraid of Aruba and I don't have a hatred of things strange or foreign, just because I have an opinion about one little horrid, inhumane, black hearted island.

Your name calling and continuous accusations of others being "uncivil" is what is "uncivil".


Since an island can't be horrid, inhumane, or black hearted, you're obviously referring to the Aruban people, so yes, your comments are xenophobic.

[fairmaiden]

It doesn't.

So, what are you busy with? Are you making Christmas cookies?

I'm thinking about drinking some egg nog. :)

Since I am the world's definition of "procrastination", I'm busy doing last minute Christmas shopping. Speaking of "dumping" .... we had almost 20 inches of snow dumped on us last weekend.

Enjoy that eggnog ortiga .... Merry Christmas !!!

So .... I read that link No Nic provided twice. There IS no mention of Joran being responsible for Natalee's death, is there ??

JMO

[ortiga]

Since I am the world's definition of "procrastination", I'm busy doing last minute Christmas shopping. Speaking of "dumping" .... we had almost 20 inches of snow dumped on us last weekend.

Enjoy that eggnog ortiga .... Merry Christmas !!!

So .... I read that link No Nic provided twice. There IS no mention of Joran being responsible for Natalee's death, is there ??

JMO

From what I have read....the "she is dead" came from the quote in my sig line and also from a conversation with Deepak wherein he was referring to the drowning death of a teacher, and it was mistranslated from Papimentu. Then, the conversation with a witness was with a girlfriend of Satish's who said he was sad. The conversations between 2 of the suspects about picking up American girls was before 30 May 2005, if indeed it happened at all. IIRC IMO

Of course there is no proof of Natalee being dead, it still stands what Mos said....every additional day that she doesn't show up is proof that she is dead. :rolleyes:

And like I said before, NO Nic was wrong, (possibly intentionally spreading misinformation?) saying that "it is being revealed that joran is responsible for Natalee's death".......

Of course it is just as true to say that it is being revealed that Greta is responsible for Natalee's death.

IMO

[Chocoholic]

Since an island can't be horrid, inhumane, or black hearted, you're obviously referring to the Aruban people, so yes, your comments are xenophobic.

I find it rather funny that this poster keeps answering me since I have it on ignore. Xenophobic is what FW called it, guess that poster should report it's references to FW and see if the moderator deems it to be xenophobic.

[Chocoholic]

From what I have read....the "she is dead" came from the quote in my sig line and also from a conversation with Deepak wherein he was referring to the drowning death of a teacher, and it was mistranslated from Papimentu. Then, the conversation with a witness was with a girlfriend of Satish's who said he was sad. The conversations between 2 of the suspects about picking up American girls was before 30 May 2005, if indeed it happened at all. IIRC IMO

Of course there is no proof of Natalee being dead, it still stands what Mos said....every additional day that she doesn't show up is proof that she is dead. :rolleyes:

And like I said before, NO Nic was wrong, (possibly intentionally spreading misinformation?) saying that "it is being revealed that joran is responsible for Natalee's death".......

Of course it is just as true to say that it is being revealed that Greta is responsible for Natalee's death.

IMO

Or anybody that allowed Natalee to go to Aruba on an all-inclusive trip in the first place, allowed her to get as drunk as she did and not raise alarm until just before the airplane left to see which room she had slept in and where she might be.

[Luke Davis]

RNW (http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5569383/New-statements-led-to-rearrest-in-Holloway-case)



The Pubic Prosecutor's Office on Aruba announced on Thursday that all the details of the investigation would be made public.:read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read:

[Luke Davis]

Jug is now family spokesperson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKSAL4FiXAo)

[Luke Davis]

Jug is now family spokesperson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKSAL4FiXAo)

Reward money gone? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5iDPa4gKU&feature=related)

[Luke Davis]

Prosecuter lies to Beth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7j-yiS6yk&feature=related)

[Chocoholic]

Jug is now family spokesperson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKSAL4FiXAo)

I was almost able to listen without throwing up. Darn shame too because dinner was good on the way down.

Seems like being a public representative runs in the family.

[Luke Davis]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R2tPh-DWi-I/AAAAAAAAAI8/CxYCe6EOx4A/s400/Anchor_and_chain.jpg

[Chocoholic]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R2tPh-DWi-I/AAAAAAAAAI8/CxYCe6EOx4A/s400/Anchor_and_chain.jpg

http://bp3.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R1gCnTGksBI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/ogK2N5fFmdo/s400/Sample_K3000_SS+(Large).jpg

Check the crab trap LOL.

[Grandad]

Reward money gone? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5iDPa4gKU&feature=related)


The bulk of the reward, like most rewards, was money that was pledged. I'm sure there were a substantial number of small cash contributions from concerned individuals, but money pledged by businesses and large contributors wouldn't have been paid until someone qualified to collect the reward.

The largest pledge was from Joe Mammana, and you know what the chances of that being paid are.

There were two statements in that tape that caught my attention.

Jug said when they finally met J2K at the van der Sloot home they were sweaty. Why did it take two and a half years for that tidbit to come out?

Jug also said that what happened to Natalee might have been an accident.

How do you kidnap and gang rape someone by accident?

[Chocoholic]

The bulk of the reward, like most rewards, was money that was pledged. I'm sure there were a substantial number of small cash contributions from concerned individuals, but money pledged by businesses and large contributors wouldn't have been paid until someone qualified to collect the reward.

The largest pledge was from Joe Mammana, and you know what the chances of that being paid are.

There were two statements in that tape that caught my attention.

Jug said when they finally met J2K at the van der Sloot home they were sweaty. Why did it take two and a half years for that tidbit to come out?

Jug also said that what happened to Natalee might have been an accident.

How do you kidnap and gang rape someone by accident?

Well uhm you know, that is irrelevant.

[ortiga]

RNW (http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5569383/New-statements-led-to-rearrest-in-Holloway-case)



The Pubic Prosecutor's Office on Aruba announced on Thursday that all the details of the investigation would be made public.:read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read:


That is remarkable, if it is not a closed case. You'd think that if it is a "cold" case, that is if ALE has such a term, that they would not open the files. JQK said "HE" would get to see the files; Greta said "Beth and Dave" would get to see the files; now it may be that the man on the street may be able to see the files.

I am curious though, how they could make public, ALL of the details, you'd think there would be some protection for witnesses, if the Dutch system does not even let out the names of suspects of suspected crimes, how could they later let out all the personal aspects of the investigation?

[ortiga]

RNW (http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5569383/New-statements-led-to-rearrest-in-Holloway-case)



The Pubic Prosecutor's Office on Aruba announced on Thursday that all the details of the investigation would be made public.:read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read:


On second read, I find that TRULY remarkable that they are prosecuting "pubics" over there!! :eek:

[ortiga]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_d8XtKIwObt4/R1gCnTGksBI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/ogK2N5fFmdo/s400/Sample_K3000_SS+(Large).jpg

Check the crab trap LOL.

I wonder if they are just guessing that is a "crab pot". Maybe from the style of boat that may have that type of fishing gear aboard? It's odd that there is only one pot, and that it is on the surface of the sand. I don't buy it.

I believe one of their representatives said that identifying the crab trap that Natalee supposedly was put in would be based on the shape of the pot, that it was not rectangular or square, that it was hexogonal, something like that. IIRC, and that they would be able to ID that from the side scan output.

If they truly think that little speck is a crab pot, they I think they would have enlarged that part....if they can.......

Have they talked about the next part of the process where they send someone down to check it out? That is going to be in some sort of manned rover, no?

[ortiga]

The bulk of the reward, like most rewards, was money that was pledged. I'm sure there were a substantial number of small cash contributions from concerned individuals, but money pledged by businesses and large contributors wouldn't have been paid until someone qualified to collect the reward.

The largest pledge was from Joe Mammana, and you know what the chances of that being paid are.

There were two statements in that tape that caught my attention.

Jug said when they finally met J2K at the van der Sloot home they were sweaty. Why did it take two and a half years for that tidbit to come out?

Jug also said that what happened to Natalee might have been an accident.

How do you kidnap and gang rape someone by accident?

I thought many of Jug's statements on that interview were way out of line. I guess that the fabulous 7 and BHT feel pretty much impervious, or protected, if the comments are made about foreigners they can get away with saying anything.

Did you catch the part about Natalee being a "goody 2 shoes"?

IMO

[Chocoholic]

On second read, I find that TRULY remarkable that they are prosecuting "pubics" over there!! :eek:

Not gonna touch, not with a 10' pole hahaha

[Chocoholic]

I wonder if they are just guessing that is a "crab pot". Maybe from the style of boat that may have that type of fishing gear aboard?

I believe one of their representatives said that identifying the crab trap that Natalee supposedly was put in would be based on the shape of the pot, that it was not rectangular or square, that it was hexogonal, something like that. IIRC, and that they would be able to ID that from the side scan output.

If they truly think that little speck is a crab pot, they I think they would have enlarged that part....if they can.......

Have they talked about the next part of the process where they send someone down to check it out? That is going to be in some sort of manned rover, no?

The picture with the crab trap was taken off the shores of Mexico somewhere, from 150" above the shipwreck. The hull is an old wooden schooner (sailing ship).

I'm not sure what kind of gear they have on board. I'm sure they don't have a decompression chamber on board, in case of emergency. If they have 1 atmospheric suits I would be very surprised, they cost millions each and require specialized certification, Kyle would have mentioned it. A ROVr is remotely manned. I haven't seen any mention of one-man submarines on board.

[ortiga]

The picture with the crab trap was taken off the shores of Mexico somewhere, from 150" above the shipwreck. The hull is an old wooden schooner (sailing ship).

I'm not sure what kind of gear they have on board. I'm sure they don't have a decompression chamber on board, in case of emergency. If they have 1 atmospheric suits I would be very surprised, they cost millions each and require specialized certification, Kyle would have mentioned it. A ROVr is remotely manned. I haven't seen any mention of one-man submarines on board.

Why would a schooner have a crab pot? So if that is the picture from 150' above, then from 1000' above it would be HOW big?

[Chocoholic]

Why would a schooner have a crab pot? So if that is the picture from 150' above, then from 1000' above it would be HOW big?

It's probably just a lost crab pot. The ocean floor is littered with garbage. From 1000' it will be invisible.

[fairmaiden]

On second read, I find that TRULY remarkable that they are prosecuting "pubics" over there!! :eek:

LMAOOO .... OMG .... Even in Luke's HUGE font, I MISSED that !!!!!

lmaoo

[Luke Davis]

Tourism security consultant Peter Tarlow, who is working with Arlington police, said unchecked crime can have devastating effects on tourism. The disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway cost the island nation 40 percent of its American tourism business, which makes up 80 percent of its overall tourism, Tarlow said.

FOX (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5293444&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

[ortiga]

Tourism security consultant Peter Tarlow, who is working with Arlington police, said unchecked crime can have devastating effects on tourism. The disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway cost the island nation 40 percent of its American tourism business, which makes up 80 percent of its overall tourism, Tarlow said.

FOX (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5293444&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

I wonder where he got that figure, as I have not seen it confirmed anywhere else. I wonder if he got it confused with Aruba spending 40% of it's budget on one missing adult.

[HiLife]

Tourism security consultant Peter Tarlow, who is working with Arlington police, said unchecked crime can have devastating effects on tourism. The disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway cost the island nation 40 percent of its American tourism business, which makes up 80 percent of its overall tourism, Tarlow said.

FOX (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5293444&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Aruba should send "thank you" cards to:

Joran
Paulus
Deepak
Satish
Jan Van der Straaten
Gerold Dompig
Julia Renfroe
Rudy Croes

And a special, big "thank you" to Hans Mos.


jmo

[Chocoholic]

Tourism security consultant Peter Tarlow, who is working with Arlington police, said unchecked crime can have devastating effects on tourism. The disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway cost the island nation 40 percent of its American tourism business, which makes up 80 percent of its overall tourism, Tarlow said.

FOX (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5293444&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Fox is a reliable source of information? Luke, Puhlease! :D

[No Nic]

Aruba should send "thank you" cards to:

Joran
Paulus
Deepak
Satish
Jan Van der Straaten
Gerold Dompig
Julia Renfroe
Rudy Croes

And a special, big "thank you" to Hans Mos.


jmo

Must not forget a more special "Thank You" to that "impartial" judge for doing the "sweating man" that huge favor.

[Luke Davis]

Amigoe (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)


With the newest digital technologies from the Netherlands, the investigation team this time recovered what was impossible earlier. On the hard drive of a confiscated computer was a chat-session, in which one of the suspects said that the missing teenager Natalee Holloway is dead. The OM didn’t say which of the suspects said that, but the information is substantial and especially ‘new’ evidence, and sufficient for the OM to arrest the three. Obtaining information from new technology is also considered new evidence, explained Mos. He compared it with a DNA-investigation that after years, can still give evidence.

[Chocoholic]

Scheduled air arrivals

The airport in Aruba will handle 67 arriving flights today. Many people will spend the Christmas holidays on the island. There are extra flights from Venezuela and Curacao. And there are 2 new non stop flights from Frankfurt, Germany. Also two new charter flights from from Dusseldorf and Munchen, Germany. Sunday is going to be much busier.

During peak hours in the afternoon all slots will be occupied. It is very likely that a few planes will be parked on the ohter side of the platform, unloading and loading passengers by stairs and then transporting then by bus to the terminal.

So many Germans and Venezuelans are going to be on the island. Most hotels in Aruba are 100 percent full.

Doesn't appear to me that Aruba is hurting.

[Chocoholic]

Amigoe (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)


With the newest digital technologies from the Netherlands, the investigation team this time recovered what was impossible earlier. On the hard drive of a confiscated computer was a chat-session, in which one of the suspects said that the missing teenager Natalee Holloway is dead. The OM didn’t say which of the suspects said that, but the information is substantial and especially ‘new’ evidence, and sufficient for the OM to arrest the three. Obtaining information from new technology is also considered new evidence, explained Mos. He compared it with a DNA-investigation that after years, can still give evidence.

Hmmm, this information is quite different from the information that the Kalpoe's lawyer brought forth.

OM still trying to save face? They might wish to check with the judge who has access to said information.

[Heyes]

Adj. 1. xenophobic - suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/xenophobic

Thought you must need a reminder what the definition is.

I am not afraid of Aruba and I don't have a hatred of things strange or foreign, just because I have an opinion about one little horrid, inhumane, black hearted island.

Your name calling and continuous accusations of others being "uncivil" is what is "uncivil".


Well said. Thank you.

[Heyes]

Yeah the place looks packed. LOL LOL LOL
Saturday Dec. 22, no one there in the morning and no one there in the evening. 100% full you say? I beg to differ.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html

[Chocoholic]

Yeah the place looks packed. LOL LOL LOL
Saturday Dec. 22, no one there in the morning and no one there in the evening. 100% full you say? I beg to differ.

<removed for xenophobic comment>

http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html

You don't travel much do you? Of all the places that I have been the last place I would wish to be is in the eye of a camera or lounge around a beach. When I posted a link to a FL beach around the same time of year you mocked that that was "different".

Why?

I'll try and perceive this from your POV. Please bear with me because this takes some twisting in my mind.

The boycott works. The people of Aruba all suffer because in your POV ALE failed. Innocent people who have nothing to do with this disappearance are supposedly out of work. The black security guards have nowhere to go because the hotels are empty. Nothing much to secure if the hotels are empty. The beaches are empty, TYL the turtles are safe.

The 67 odd flights that landed at Beatrix airport today, really didn't happen at all, they were all just a figment of somebody's imagination and no americans own any timeshares on Aruba.

Honestly.

Just ask beth, she'll tell you uhm you know, well that's irrelevant, truth.

BTW isn't it just remarkable that you are never able to find the cam shots with people in it? It takes some doing.

[Chocoholic]

Well said. Thank you.

I don't have a hatred of things strange or foreign, just because I have an opinion about one little horrid, inhumane, black hearted island.

Well said?

If I were to say the same thing about the USA with it's (in some states) legal death penalty) would that be considered xenophobia?

The country you live in isn't the largest in the world. It does have a fairly high crime rate, a high poverty rate, issues with racism and a huge lack of medical provisions for those in need.

Would you prefer to take this topic to another board?

Blackhearted island indeed :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :read:

[Luke Davis]

Let's go to court (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/23/europe/EU-GEN-Netherlands-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php)

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands: Joran van der Sloot, the former suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway, told a Dutch newspaper he regrets that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime.

"I would have liked to have seen a trial, so that everything could be out in the open," Van der Sloot told DAG in his first public remarks since being released Dec. 7. He had been re-arrested in November for a new interrogation about Holloway's disappearance in 2005.

The newspaper published short excerpts from the interview Sunday ahead of Monday's edition. Spokesman Bob Witman of DAG said the interview was conducted via e-mail with Van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.

Public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot or two other former suspected accomplices of a crime in her disappearance.

Prosecutors said as things stand the case can be reactivated if "serious" new evidence emerges — but that would impossible if they were to prosecute and fail, due to rules against double jeopardy.

[ortiga]

Lol has anyone been following the saga of Joyce someone, 23, who left a bar with some guys in Aruba and her parents couldn't find her...alerted ALE, ALE searched all the bars for hours and when they checked the HI the woman was found in one of the parent's beds, reeking of alcohol.

What is it with these people that think it's OK for their kids to get drunk, leave bars with guys.............................and that there is no personal responsibility required?

IMO

[Grandad]

Lol has anyone been following the saga of Joyce someone, 23, who left a bar with some guys in Aruba and her parents couldn't find her...alerted ALE, ALE searched all the bars for hours and when they checked the HI the woman was found in one of the parent's beds, reeking of alcohol.

What is it with these people that think it's OK for their kids to get drunk, leave bars with guys.............................and that there is no personal responsibility required?

IMO


I read one report that said the parents were calling for a boycott of Aruba, before she was "found".

Maybe Aruba should start clamping ankle tracking bracelets on American virgin tourists as soon as they get off the plane.

[ortiga]

I read one report that said the parents were calling for a boycott of Aruba, before she was "found".

Maybe Aruba should start clamping ankle tracking bracelets on American virgin tourists as soon as they get off the plane.

Is that GPS? Yeppers, assign a couple of dozen ALE cops the job of tracking those Americans while they drink responsibly, give out jello shots to strangers and hook up with island guys.

[fairmaiden]

Lol has anyone been following the saga of Joyce someone, 23, who left a bar with some guys in Aruba and her parents couldn't find her...alerted ALE, ALE searched all the bars for hours and when they checked the HI the woman was found in one of the parent's beds, reeking of alcohol.

What is it with these people that think it's OK for their kids to get drunk, leave bars with guys.............................and that there is no personal responsibility required?

IMO

I DID read about that ortiga.

Merry Christmas to you and everyone !!

[ortiga]

I DID read about that ortiga.

Merry Christmas to you and everyone !!

Merry Christmas and happy new year to you, FM ONE!!! And to everyone else too....

[ortiga]

http://amigoe.com/english/

Their office has been swamped lately with hatred mails and threats, including death.

Wix, together with his brother councils, will probably demand damages. They are currently considering via the court whether they can recover the costs for among others hiring a lawyer in the US. Wix won’t say what the amount is.

[Chocoholic]

Lol has anyone been following the saga of Joyce someone, 23, who left a bar with some guys in Aruba and her parents couldn't find her...alerted ALE, ALE searched all the bars for hours and when they checked the HI the woman was found in one of the parent's beds, reeking of alcohol.

What is it with these people that think it's OK for their kids to get drunk, leave bars with guys.............................and that there is no personal responsibility required?

IMO

Oh for crying out loud, the woman is 23. Perhaps they should have vacationed in the southern US where apparently people under the age of 35 can't be trusted with booze.

[Chocoholic]

Merry Christmas and happy new year to you, FM ONE!!! And to everyone else too....


Merry Christmas to you and everybody else here. Happy whatever you may be celebrating. I personally like that the days will be getting longer now :D

[terrysdoor]

Merry Christmas and happy new year to you, FM ONE!!! And to everyone else too....

Merry Christmas to all as well hope everyone has a safe and Happy Holiday

[Chocoholic]

http://amigoe.com/english/

Their office has been swamped lately with hatred mails and threats, including death.

Wix, together with his brother councils, will probably demand damages. They are currently considering via the court whether they can recover the costs for among others hiring a lawyer in the US. Wix won’t say what the amount is.

We know where the threats are coming from. I have no idea if the persons in question can be extradited to Aruba to stand trial.

[ortiga]

Merry Christmas to you and everybody else here. Happy whatever you may be celebrating. I personally like that the days will be getting longer now :D


I've always thought that 21 December is the day to be celebrated, and some ancient people of the north agreed......Happy Winter Solstice everyone!!

"A linguistic puzzle.
The rebirth of the sun.
The birth of the Son.
Christmas was transplanted onto winter solstice some 1,600 years ago, centuries before the English language emerged from its Germanic roots. Is that why we came to express these two ideas in words that sound so similar? "

http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html

[Chocoholic]

I've always thought that 21 December is the day to be celebrated, and some ancient people of the north agreed......Happy Winter Solstice everyone!!

"A linguistic puzzle.
The rebirth of the sun.
The birth of the Son.
Christmas was transplanted onto winter solstice some 1,600 years ago, centuries before the English language emerged from its Germanic roots. Is that why we came to express these two ideas in words that sound so similar? "

http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html

Knowing that this post may very well get poofed, but the board is about to close anyway, perhaps Riviera and FW will allow this.

When Christianity hadn't quite gotten it's grip on everybody and Paganism still ran "amok" the Catholic church adapted their holidays to those of the Pagans. Those darn Pagans just wouldn't convert easily lol.

In the 4th century AD, the Catholic Church selected a date in December to replace an old pagan holiday that honoured Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture. The weeklong festival was called Saturnalia and culminated in the winter solstice, which usually occurred on the 25th on the old Julian calendar. The church picked this date in a hope to draw pagans into the church by allowing them to continue their old celebrations, but with a new, Christian meaning. Interestingly enough, as a result of this combination of old pagan traditions and new Christian ones, puritans (always the life of the party) would later attempt to outright ban Christmas.

Hence the holidays around the solstices. I believe it's fairly widely known now that Christ's day of birth wasn't in December but in August. The Christmas tree again was part of Paganism, the looking forward to longer days and spring. Hence also the candles.

Whatever one believes in.. -----> Celebrate life! :rose:

[Luke Davis]

At least we still have Saturn's Day (Saturday)!

[Chocoholic]

At least we still have Saturn's Day (Saturday)!

Yes! I promise :D

[Luke Davis]

7 (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx)

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there. Click here to read a daily blog updating their search.

[Heyes]

7 (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx)

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there. Click here to read a daily blog updating their search.

Thanks Luke! Thanks for all your research!
True Hero's...
Fom your link,
"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while it was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about




These amazing people sacrifice so much for families in pain.
Tim Miller and his many friends are angels.
IMO

[Chocoholic]

Thanks Luke! Thanks for all your research!
True Hero's...
Fom your link,
"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while it was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about




These amazing people sacrifice so much for families in pain.
Tim Miller and his many friends are angels.
IMO

Perhaps with a small miracle a fisherman will come forward and finally report his crabtrap missing, because so far that hasn't happened.

Fascinating that they're looking for a non-missing 1 x 0.5 m crabtrap in which supposedly Joran stuffed Natalee's hacked up body, weighed down with a pile of rocks (otherwise it won't stay down).

That's a cool and breezy approx 200 lbs of dead weight which didn't leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood, not a footprint to be found and not even a crabtrap missing.

So what are they really looking for?

[ortiga]

So what are they really looking for?

Ditto. Also, when they say the family calls everyday...I assume they mean Dave and Robin?

[Luke Davis]

The ROV team has flown into Aruba and will reunite with the Persistence tomorrow.

[TobyTiger]

Perhaps with a small miracle a fisherman will come forward and finally report his crabtrap missing, because so far that hasn't happened.

Fascinating that they're looking for a non-missing 1 x 0.5 m crabtrap in which supposedly Joran stuffed Natalee's hacked up body, weighed down with a pile of rocks (otherwise it won't stay down).

That's a cool and breezy approx 200 lbs of dead weight which didn't leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood, not a footprint to be found and not even a crabtrap missing.

So what are they really looking for?
You'd think that a missing trap would be the first thing confirmed before searching. Remember, however, that some believe Joran had help...

[Grandad]

Ditto. Also, when they say the family calls everyday...I assume they mean Dave and Robin?


Probably checking on the amount of donations that have been pledged and received.

[Heyes]

Perhaps with a small miracle a fisherman will come forward and finally report his crabtrap missing, because so far that hasn't happened.

Fascinating that they're looking for a non-missing 1 x 0.5 m crabtrap in which supposedly Joran stuffed Natalee's hacked up body, weighed down with a pile of rocks (otherwise it won't stay down).

That's a cool and breezy approx 200 lbs of dead weight which didn't leave a shred of evidence. Not a drop of blood, not a footprint to be found and not even a crabtrap missing.

So what are they really looking for?


I must admit, I cannot understand the nastiness and criticizism towards a search for Natalee, I cannot understand the nasty things said about those that volunteer to search. I cannot understand the nastiness towards Dave and Robin.
If she floated out sea like one or two people here have said then what's the problem? Or is it the fear that she might be found, perhaps with some tennis shoes?



BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[Grandad]

I must admit, I cannot understand the nastiness and criticizism towards a search for Natalee, I cannot understand the nasty things said about those that volunteer to search. I cannot understand the nastiness towards Dave and Robin.
If she floated out sea like one or two people here have said then what's the problem? Or is it the fear that she might be found, perhaps with some tennis shoes?
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

A lot of people can't understand the nastiness and criticism heaped on two families who have done nothing wrong.

No one has criticized anyone who has actively searched for Natalee. The problem lies with those who have participated in endless fund raisers, who have given no accounting of the money donated for searches which haven't taken place.

[Heyes]

A lot of people can't understand the nastiness and criticism heaped on two families who have done nothing wrong.

No one has criticized anyone who has actively searched for Natalee. The problem lies with those who have participated in endless fund raisers, who have given no accounting of the money donated for searches which haven't taken place.

The two families that "did nothing wrong"???
PFFFT!
Seems those that support joran have the same standards that nadera does. "everybody lies, even big people." How warped is that?
Lying about where you left the young missing American and what they did that night is WRONG!
They deserve all the criticism they have received. All of it!
The vandersloots and the kalpoes created their own problems. Now they have to deal with it. Plus there is not enough evidence to convict but there sure is enough evidence that points at j2k and paulus that leads most people to absolutely believe they had something to do with this innocent young womans disappearance. That you can take to the bank. These guys and their parents and the island of aruba will carry the black mark for the rest of their lives. Oh well! It's the least we can all do. Since aruba cannot prosecute their own criminals. We can boycott, scorn and carve their reputation in stone. I don't see success in J2K2's futures. Paulus already showed that he will never even make judge, just accomplice in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Anita may want to give up her dream of sitting high on the social latter. Losers and liars, That's the kalpoes and vandersloots new rep for life!
IMO!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[ortiga]

The two families that "did nothing wrong"???
PFFFT!
Seems those that support joran have the same standards that nadera does. "everybody lies, even big people." How warped is that?
Lying about where you left the young missing American and what they did that night is WRONG!
They deserve all the criticism they have received. All of it!
The vandersloots and the kalpoes created their own problems. Now they have to deal with it. Plus there is not enough evidence to convict but there sure is enough evidence that points at j2k and paulus that leads most people to absolutely believe they had something to do with this innocent young womans disappearance. That you can take to the bank. These guys and their parents and the island of aruba will carry the black mark for the rest of their lives. Oh well! It's the least we can all do. Since aruba cannot prosecute their own criminals. We can boycott, scorn and carve their reputation in stone. I don't see success in J2K2's futures. Paulus already showed that he will never even make judge, just accomplice in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Anita may want to give up her dream of sitting high on the social latter. Losers and liars, That's the kalpoes and vandersloots new rep for life!
IMO!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

As much as you want to keep ranting and raving, the people you mention are not suspects in any crime, no crime has been proven to have occurred, and it is much more logical that Natalee entered the water of her own accord and due to her self administered alcohol and probably drugs, was unable to deal with the ocean. I believe, IMO, that Beth Twitty sent her daughter on this 5 day all-you-want-to-drink unsupervised trip because of an attempt to keep up with the Joneses, ie MB. As much as she tries to toss out red herrings, obfuscate any attempt to learn what the MB people know, she will always know that it was her own decision to send Natalee there, knowing that Natalee knew nothing of boys, did not drink, yada yada yada.

It's all over...the fat lady sang, it's over now that it's over, and no one has any black marks against them, but I would sure like to know why Beth Twitty, whatever her name is now, lied so much, what she is covering up, and what she did with the money.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

All eyes will now turn toward the ROV pilot and boat captain as they perform this difficult dance among men and machine.

:hat:

[Heyes]

As much as you want to keep ranting and raving, the people you mention are not suspects in any crime, no crime has been proven to have occurred, and it is much more logical that Natalee entered the water of her own accord and due to her self administered alcohol and probably drugs, was unable to deal with the ocean. I believe, IMO, that Beth Twitty sent her daughter on this 5 day all-you-want-to-drink unsupervised trip because of an attempt to keep up with the Joneses, ie MB. As much as she tries to toss out red herrings, obfuscate any attempt to learn what the MB people know, she will always know that it was her own decision to send Natalee there, knowing that Natalee knew nothing of boys, did not drink, yada yada yada.

It's all over...the fat lady sang, it's over now that it's over, and no one has any black marks against them, but I would sure like to know why Beth Twitty, whatever her name is now, lied so much, what she is covering up, and what she did with the money.

IMO

It's your choice to ignore the lies and suspicious behavior of the vandersloots and the Kalpoes and the incompetence of the ale, IMO!
Blame the victim all you want, it doesn't change the the facts that have come out of this nightmare.
I believe it has left a huge black mark.
I believe that your "blame Beth" mantra is nothing but a red herring.
The focus is on aruba/ale,the kalpoes and the vandersloots. IMO
As long as Natalee's missing, this case has not ended. Not to those that care about here anyway. There is nothing that can be done. but we still want her home and a few questions answered. Then we never have to deal with "One happy island" again.
IMO!
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA

[ortiga]

It's your choice to ignore the lies and suspicious behavior of the vandersloots and the Kalpoes and the incompetence of the ale, IMO!
Blame the victim all you want, it doesn't change the the facts that have come out of this nightmare.
I believe it has left a huge black mark.
I believe that your "blame Beth" mantra is nothing but a red herring.
The focus is on aruba/ale,the kalpoes and the vandersloots. IMO
As long as Natalee's missing, this case has not ended. Not to those that care about here anyway. There is nothing that can be done. but we still want her home and a few questions answered. Then we never have to deal with "One happy island" again.
IMO!
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA

She is no more and no less important than Carlos Sousa, Jr. Are you going to boycott Zoos from now on?

Aruba is being boycotting by people who don't travel anyway, unless it's to Hawaii where they don't have to be exposed to any foreign languages, thank you.

IMO

[fairmaiden]

The two families that "did nothing wrong"???
PFFFT!
Seems those that support joran have the same standards that nadera does. "everybody lies, even big people." How warped is that?
Lying about where you left the young missing American and what they did that night is WRONG!
They deserve all the criticism they have received. All of it!
The vandersloots and the kalpoes created their own problems. Now they have to deal with it. Plus there is not enough evidence to convict but there sure is enough evidence that points at j2k and paulus that leads most people to absolutely believe they had something to do with this innocent young womans disappearance. That you can take to the bank. These guys and their parents and the island of aruba will carry the black mark for the rest of their lives. Oh well! It's the least we can all do. Since aruba cannot prosecute their own criminals. We can boycott, scorn and carve their reputation in stone. I don't see success in J2K2's futures. Paulus already showed that he will never even make judge, just accomplice in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Anita may want to give up her dream of sitting high on the social latter. Losers and liars, That's the kalpoes and vandersloots new rep for life!
IMO!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

Heyes .... I don't believe ANYONE is condoning any of the lying done by Joran et al .... at least I don't. However .... those lies do NOT add up to kidnap, rape and murder.

In every post of yours .... you criticize the entire ISLAND of Aruba. How can you possibly justify that ?? The Island of Aruba does not deserve your repeated calls for a boycott, OR your "scorn".

JMO

[fairmaiden]

As much as you want to keep ranting and raving, the people you mention are not suspects in any crime, no crime has been proven to have occurred, and it is much more logical that Natalee entered the water of her own accord and due to her self administered alcohol and probably drugs, was unable to deal with the ocean. I believe, IMO, that Beth Twitty sent her daughter on this 5 day all-you-want-to-drink unsupervised trip because of an attempt to keep up with the Joneses, ie MB. As much as she tries to toss out red herrings, obfuscate any attempt to learn what the MB people know, she will always know that it was her own decision to send Natalee there, knowing that Natalee knew nothing of boys, did not drink, yada yada yada.

It's all over...the fat lady sang, it's over now that it's over, and no one has any black marks against them, but I would sure like to know why Beth Twitty, whatever her name is now, lied so much, what she is covering up, and what she did with the money.

IMO

I totally agree with you, ortiga .... I would like an accounting of the money also. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it never entered Beth's mind that her daughter had been kidnapped .... ALL of her actions belie that. There obviously was a reason to put that "out there" for the public. I have said since the very beginning .... ALL is not what it seems.

JMO

[Chocoholic]

She is no more and no less important than Carlos Sousa, Jr. Are you going to boycott Zoos from now on?

Aruba is being boycotting by people who don't travel anyway, unless it's to Hawaii where they don't have to be exposed to any foreign languages, thank you.

IMO

Don't forget that the laws are the same and that drinking at the age of 18 would be illegal, so it wouldn't be as much fun as Aruba.

However, it might be much easier to find the US Consul on Hawaii, it being the same country and all :D

[Chocoholic]

I totally agree with you, ortiga .... I would like an accounting of the money also. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it never entered Beth's mind that her daughter had been kidnapped .... ALL of her actions belie that. There obviously was a reason to put that "out there" for the public. I have said since the very beginning .... ALL is not what it seems.

JMO


"Call me Hootie, we need to talk". Yup, every victim of a kidnapping has the freedom to make phonecalls at will.

[Heyes]

She is no more and no less important than Carlos Sousa, Jr. Are you going to boycott Zoos from now on?

Aruba is being boycotting by people who don't travel anyway, unless it's to Hawaii where they don't have to be exposed to any foreign languages, thank you.

IMO


"Aruba is being boycotting by people who don't travel anyway, unless it's to Hawaii where they don't have to be exposed to any foreign languages, thank you."

Really?


lmao!

[Heyes]

Heyes .... I don't believe ANYONE is condoning any of the lying done by Joran et al .... at least I don't. However .... those lies do NOT add up to kidnap, rape and murder.

In every post of yours .... you criticize the entire ISLAND of Aruba. How can you possibly justify that ?? The Island of Aruba does not deserve your repeated calls for a boycott, OR your "scorn".

JMO
Yes it does.

[Chocoholic]

Yes it does.

But it isn't getting the results that you wish for is it. There is no evidence of a violent crime in the case of Natalee Holloway. IMO you simply wish that the worst happened to her instead of accepting the facts.

[ortiga]

But it isn't getting the results that you wish for is it. There is no evidence of a violent crime in the case of Natalee Holloway. IMO you simply wish that the worst happened to her instead of accepting the facts.


Amen. If I were one of these people, like her mother, who can't seem to live with the idea that Natalee was not kidnapped, gang raped, murdered, chopped up to put in a fish trap, etc etc.......I'd get myself to counseling, straight away. Why do they wish the absolute worst for Natalee? If she were my relative I would cling to the hope that she was NOT horribly violated and murdered, since there is not a scintilla of evidence that anything bad happened to her at all.

What was it her mother said on Babawawa? My hope is that Natalee was only kidnapped and gang raped.........paraphrased....anyone got this twisted "hope" handy?

IMO

[Luke Davis]

It will be difficult getting sleep tonight. Months of planning for some, years of planning for a few have all come down to the next couple days. Although unspoken, the stress is intense. We all seem to cope in our own ways. What stays on the surface is unwavering professionalism and focus. Inside, we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly.


Update: Fri Dec-28 2143 hrs

[Luke Davis]

Significant events in the Natalee Holloway case
AP
Posted: 2007-12-18 17:59:41
Significant events in the investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway:

May 30, 2005: Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old American on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, is last seen in public leaving a bar with three local men - hours before she is scheduled to board a plane back home to Alabama.

June 6, 2005: Hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, police and FBI agents spread out across the island to search for the missing teen. Later efforts would include more volunteers, teams of divers, Dutch F-16 jets equipped with search equipment, and specially trained dogs.

June 9, 2005: Police arrest the last three people seen with Holloway - Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teen who lives on the island, along with friends Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, two Surinamese brothers.

June 17, 2005: Police detain Steve Gregory Croes, 26, a disc jockey on a party boat that is moored on suspicion of involvement in her disappearance. He is later released.

June 23, 2005: Paulus van der Sloot, a judge in training on the island and the father of Joran, is arrested on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance. A court orders his release three days later.

July 4, 2005: A judge orders the Kalpoe brothers released, ruling there is not enough evidence to hold them.

July 26, 2005: Investigators begin draining a pond based on a witness who claimed he saw the three suspects driving in the area the night the teen disappeared. Crews never manage to drain the entire pond and the effort is halted with no evidence found.

Aug. 26, 2005: Police re-arrest Satish and Deepak Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in premeditated murder and rape. A third man, identified only as F.I., is also arrested.

Sept. 3, 2005: A judge releases van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

Jan. 16, 2006: Police search sand dunes on the northwest coast of Aruba, an area police had searched in the past and regarded as a place of interest.

April 15, 2006: Aruban authorities arrest a 19-year-old on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance, but release him without charges nine days later.

May 17, 2006: Authorities in the Netherlands detain a young man identified only as Guido W., a casino croupier in the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying. He is released after six days.

April 27, 2007: Investigators from the Netherlands dig around the home of Joran van der Sloot's family for two days.

May 12, 2007: Dutch and Aruban investigators visit the home where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents for what authorities termed an "inspection."

Nov. 21, 2007: Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes are re-arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Dec. 18, 2007: Prosecutors announce they are closing the investigation.


12/18/07 17:58 EST



AP (http://news.aol.com/story/_a/significant-events-in-the-natalee/n20071218175909990028)

[Heyes]

But it isn't getting the results that you wish for is it. There is no evidence of a violent crime in the case of Natalee Holloway. IMO you simply wish that the worst happened to her instead of accepting the facts.


What facts would those be? The fact that there is not enough evidence due to the fact that the ALE perhaps bungled the case from the get go? Doesn't change the facts that there is no evidence that Natalee left that island or is alive or the fact that the suspects never did manage to tell the truth. They either lied or plead the 5th.
IMO
I don't wish anything other than Natalee be returned to her home. However I will not let any of the people I care about go to that small piece of dirt in the ocean, where the local police eat cornflakes and want to know how much $$$ ya got before they get off their collective lazy butts and look for a young American tourist. No way!

IMO
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[Chocoholic]

What facts would those be? The fact that there is not enough evidence due to the fact that the ALE perhaps bungled the case from the get go? Doesn't change the facts that there is no evidence that Natalee left that island or is alive or the fact that the suspects never did manage to tell the truth. They either lied or plead the 5th.
IMO
I don't wish anything other than Natalee be returned to her home. However I will not let any of the people I care about go to that small piece of dirt in the ocean, where the local police eat cornflakes and want to know how much $$$ ya got before they get off their collective lazy butts and look for a young American tourist. No way!

IMO
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

WOW I thought you had been following this case closely. The fact that the judge has stated that there was no evidence whatsoever that a violent crime had been committed against Natalee Holloway would by default leave j2K as innocent.

They have the 5th amendment in Aruba? They'll be darned surprised about that considering it's not their constitution. Can you bring them up to speed along with the telephone number to the US Embassy in the US please?

Yup if I were Aruban police I too might choose to finish my cornflakes before hopping on the kidnap, gangrape and murder bandwagon. Look at the latest "disappearance" of a young American woman. The drunken lush was found on her parent's bed. Why should ALE be responsible for the lack of self-discipline of American young women?

It has been reported that the investigation cost between 5 and 10 million US dollars. All for naught. I'm betting that an investigation in the US wouldn't go even a quarter as far as the 5 million and that's pushing it.

Lazy butts? LOL perhaps they could have started the investigation a little earlier if it had been reported to them instead of the family starting their own investigation.

Call them where there is proof of a crime.

[ortiga]

WOW I thought you had been following this case closely. The fact that the judge has stated that there was no evidence whatsoever that a violent crime had been committed against Natalee Holloway would by default leave j2K as innocent.

They have the 5th amendment in Aruba? They'll be darned surprised about that considering it's not their constitution. Can you bring them up to speed along with the telephone number to the US Embassy in the US please?

Yup if I were Aruban police I too might choose to finish my cornflakes before hopping on the kidnap, gangrape and murder bandwagon. Look at the latest "disappearance" of a young American woman. The drunken lush was found on her parent's bed. Why should ALE be responsible for the lack of self-discipline of American young women?

It has been reported that the investigation cost between 5 and 10 million US dollars. All for naught. I'm betting that an investigation in the US wouldn't go even a quarter as far as the 5 million and that's pushing it.

Lazy butts? LOL perhaps they could have started the investigation a little earlier if it had been reported to them instead of the family starting their own investigation.

Call them where there is proof of a crime.

I was following that zoo case in SF, it turns out that the cafeteria employee who first saw/heard the 2 brothers screaming for help, even with blood on the head of one of them, termed them "800", which in the phone call to the authorities meant they were crazy or nuts. Yeppers, in the good ole USA.

[Chocoholic]

I was following that zoo case in SF, it turns out that the cafeteria employee who first saw/heard the 2 brothers screaming for help, even with blood on the head of one of them, termed them "800", which in the phone call to the authorities meant they were crazy or nuts. Yeppers, in the good ole USA.

Were those the same guys that have been charged with being drunk in public and resisting police arrest, to which they pleaded not guilty?

hmm

[Heyes]

WOW I thought you had been following this case closely. The fact that the judge has stated that there was no evidence whatsoever that a violent crime had been committed against Natalee Holloway would by default leave j2K as innocent.

They have the 5th amendment in Aruba? They'll be darned surprised about that considering it's not their constitution. Can you bring them up to speed along with the telephone number to the US Embassy in the US please?

Yup if I were Aruban police I too might choose to finish my cornflakes before hopping on the kidnap, gangrape and murder bandwagon. Look at the latest "disappearance" of a young American woman. The drunken lush was found on her parent's bed. Why should ALE be responsible for the lack of self-discipline of American young women?

It has been reported that the investigation cost between 5 and 10 million US dollars. All for naught. I'm betting that an investigation in the US wouldn't go even a quarter as far as the 5 million and that's pushing it.

Lazy butts? LOL perhaps they could have started the investigation a little earlier if it had been reported to them instead of the family starting their own investigation.

Call them where there is proof of a crime.

1. is that the same judge that let the suspects go before? lol yeah ok
now if they had replaced that judge with perhaps someone who wasn't on this case from the beginning and rumored to be a buddy of paulus maybe just maybe I could buy this line of bull.
2. What do they call " I will keep silent and not speak at all" in aruba? (another trait of those that are innocent) NOT~

3. Is that why they're whining? The money? lol I feel that's all that matters to them. Maybe if you all repeat how much aruba spent long enough someone might believe that an actual professional investigation took place. But I doubt it.
4.Yeah lazy. but hey go down to C&C"s and have a drink, of course watch your drink like a hawk because it's normal for someone to drug it. And hey just wait. Here on our little happy island people go missing all the time and eventually show back up . What a lovely place.
As far as the last victim of aruba. What was put in her drink? Do you know she's a lush? Perhaps the **** club just couldn't get this girl alone this time.
IMO

[Chocoholic]

1. is that the same judge that let the suspects go before? lol yeah ok
now if they had replaced that judge with perhaps someone who wasn't on this case from the beginning and rumored to be a buddy of paulus maybe just maybe I could buy this line of bull.
2. What do they call " I will keep silent and not speak at all" in aruba? (another trait of those that are innocent) NOT~

3. Is that why they're whining? The money? lol I feel that's all that matters to them. Maybe if you all repeat how much aruba spent long enough someone might believe that an actual professional investigation took place. But I doubt it.
4.Yeah lazy. but hey go down to C&C"s and have a drink, of course watch your drink like a hawk because it's normal for someone to drug it. And hey just wait. Here on our little happy island people go missing all the time and eventually show back up . What a lovely place.
As far as the last victim of aruba. What was put in her drink? Do you know she's a lush? Perhaps the **** club just couldn't get this girl alone this time.
IMO


1. That is total BS. The reason the judge from Curacao was brought in is because Aruba wanted it to be absolutely clear that the judge had no connection or interest to Aruba. Those are vile rumors spread by message boards like the Monkeys. I would have thought you would at least stand above that.

2. A person under Dutch and Aruban law has a right to remain silent whilst under investigation. joran invoked that right several weeks into the interrogation. It's not called the 5th. Have a number yet to the US Embassy in Washinton?

3. I haven't seen anybody but beth and co whine. I have seen accountability for monies spent which is a whole lot more than we can say for the lovebowls and trustfunds.

4. LOL why don't you ask the girl. She was the drunk. Dave came up with the "cover your drink" story. I'm sure that Dave spent enough time at C&C's to find out what the club is about. Perhaps he even saw an american young woman reclined, having strange icky boys taking jello shots off her belly.

Yup drunken people go missing all the time, but I'm certain that as a us citizen you're fully aware of this.

[Heyes]

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Yup drunken people go missing all the time, but I'm certain that as a us citizen you're fully aware of this.
But... how many go missing and the last people with them not only lie about it but try to pin it on 2 innocnet black men?

[Heyes]

Interesting

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba9.htm

Keep Boycotting aruba!

[Chocoholic]

But... how many go missing and the last people with them not only lie about it but try to pin it on 2 innocnet black men?

You tell me. Many links have been posted that J2K did NOT point the finger at two "innocent" black men. Can you tell me though how they ended up with one of the MB student's IPods and why they were identified as entering Natalee's hotel room through the sliding doors prior to her disappearance? And why only one of them was released from suspect status and not the other?

[Chocoholic]

Interesting

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba9.htm

Keep Boycotting aruba!

LOL tell your fellow americans with timeshares on Aruba. They may not be listening. If you think you can get me to click on a link like that I've given you more credit for intelligence than I should have in the past.

[fairmaiden]

LOL tell your fellow americans with timeshares on Aruba. They may not be listening. If you think you can get me to click on a link like that I've given you more credit for intelligence than I should have in the past.

LOL .... I DID click on it, Choco .... and found this interesting ....

*** Boycott Watch has received several reports regarding activity within Aruba that is so commonplace that it is simply ignored by the locals. First, it should be no surprise that local Aruban men regularly try to pickup American women, but what is surprising is that is allowed to happens in hotel lobbies and other privately owned businesses. If this were to happen in hotel lobbies in the USA, such people would be thrown out and told never to return again, but it is tolerated in Aruba. ***

Now this really IS a little disingenuous. What about these American women who decide to allow men to sip jello from their navels ?? Perhaps the "American women" should think about NOT participating in those activities.

Please .... How sanctimonious can one be !!!

JMO

[Chocoholic]

LOL .... I DID click on it, Choco .... and found this interesting ....

*** Boycott Watch has received several reports regarding activity within Aruba that is so commonplace that it is simply ignored by the locals. First, it should be no surprise that local Aruban men regularly try to pickup American women, but what is surprising is that is allowed to happens in hotel lobbies and other privately owned businesses. If this were to happen in hotel lobbies in the USA, such people would be thrown out and told never to return again, but it is tolerated in Aruba. ***

Now this really IS a little disingenuous. What about these American women who decide to allow men to sip jello from their navels ?? Perhaps the "American women" should think about NOT participating in those activities.

Please .... How sanctimonious can one be !!!

JMO

I thought that that was one of the reasons the two black security guards considered suspects to begin with? So it's ok if black suspects hang around a hotel lobby but if white people do it isn't? Isn't that considered discrimination?

Yes, apparently it's ok for a young white woman to get slobbering drunk, so drunk in fact that her parents consider her missing, and at the same time the same young woman needs to take no personal responsibility. Makes no sense.

From commentary on the boards we have seen that they can be quite sanctimonious. While many still scream that J2K are guilty of gangrape, kidnap and murder of which there is no evidence, they at the same time demand boycotts and the DP for J2K for a crime that wasn't committed. At the same time they call Natalee "Everybody's Christmas Child" and have named her a treasure and named a portion of the sea after her.

Even with my limited bible knowledge I know of a few commandments that have been broken in just the above paragraph.

[ortiga]

I thought that that was one of the reasons the two black security guards considered suspects to begin with? So it's ok if black suspects hang around a hotel lobby but if white people do it isn't? Isn't that considered discrimination?

Yes, apparently it's ok for a young white woman to get slobbering drunk, so drunk in fact that her parents consider her missing, and at the same time the same young woman needs to take no personal responsibility. Makes no sense.

From commentary on the boards we have seen that they can be quite sanctimonious. While many still scream that J2K are guilty of gangrape, kidnap and murder of which there is no evidence, they at the same time demand boycotts and the DP for J2K for a crime that wasn't committed. At the same time they call Natalee "Everybody's Christmas Child" and have named her a treasure and named a portion of the sea after her.

Even with my limited bible knowledge I know of a few commandments that have been broken in just the above paragraph.


I never said too much about the "everybody's child" bit, even though the "children" I know don't give out jello shots to strangers whilst lying on a bar at midnight. Whatever.

But the Natalee is the "Christmas Child" went way overboard....I wonder if they will make some mangers with her face on the baby in the crib. Beth could sign them. What else could they have meant by calling Natalee the "Christmas Child"?

IMO

[fairmaiden]

I never said too much about the "everybody's child" bit, even though the "children" I know don't give out jello shots to strangers whilst lying on a bar at midnight. Whatever.

But the Natalee is the "Christmas Child" went way overboard....I wonder if they will make some mangers with her face on the baby in the crib. Beth could sign them. What else could they have meant by calling Natalee the "Christmas Child"?

IMO

ortiga .... I wasn't aware of this. Natalee has been called the "Christmas Child"???? "Going overboard" is an understatement, to say the least. There is only ONE "Christmas Child" I can think of .

JMO

[ortiga]

ortiga .... I wasn't aware of this. Natalee has been called the "Christmas Child"???? "Going overboard" is an understatement, to say the least. There is only ONE "Christmas Child" I can think of .

JMO


Hey FM, only 2 more days, less than 2 days of this august site.

The Christmas child reference was from the blog for the boat that is searching for a crab pot on the bottom of the Caribbean, on the premise that Natalee, the "Christmas Child" is inside. Alternatively they are calling it a "treasure".

Sorry I don't have the link....a guy on the boat is blogging, and the site is public. Supposedly "Dateline NBC" is/was with them.
IMO

[fairmaiden]

You know .... not to diminish the importance of ANY "missing person", but what is it about Natalee Holloway that has caused people to go "overboard" ?? I would have to include myself in those "people" I speak of, since I have posted on this case since its inception. People actually get rabid with their opinions .... they actually attack personally, if one disagrees with the other's opinion.

When it comes right down to it .... there are so many "missing persons" who didn't get anywhere NEAR the coverage this case has gotten. I can only speak for myself .... I know I haven't given any other "missing person" anywhere close to the attention I've given this one. I do ask myself why that is .... many times. There's only one answer I can come up with, and that would be what I feel are the offensive actions of Natalee's family. THAT caught my attention. Honestly, when I heard Natalee was missing, I really didn't think much of it at all .... I didn't give it any more thought than I did any other missing person .... UNTIL the actions of the family became prevalent.

I questioned the fund-raising from the very beginning .... I STILL do. I would imagine there would be a tidy sum of money collected, and yes .... I would like to know what it was spent on. I thought all the "Natalee products" being sold, including a beer stein with Natalee's name on it, was frankly in very poor taste. I certainly question the ISTF, which is virtually a mirror copy of what one can get if they visit the site of the State Department. I question ALL of it.

When all is said and done, Natalee is definitely "missing" though. I wish their could be some resolution to this case.

Finally .... it has been fun posting with everyone on the CrimeLibrary Boards. I'm sure we will "meet" again .... somewhere.

Just My Opinion.

[fairmaiden]

Hey FM, only 2 more days, less than 2 days of this august site.

The Christmas child reference was from the blog for the boat that is searching for a crab pot on the bottom of the Caribbean, on the premise that Natalee, the "Christmas Child" is inside. Alternatively they are calling it a "treasure".

Sorry I don't have the link....a guy on the boat is blogging, and the site is public. Supposedly "Dateline NBC" is/was with them.
IMO

Yes ortiga .... This site is almost history.

Depending on one's faith, of course, who does one think of when there is mention of the Christmas Child ?? I think that's what I meant when I mentioned people going "overboard".

JMO

[ortiga]

"May God's blessings be with you; may you find this Christmas child, NATALEE - and bring her home!"

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/v-behind-effort.html

From the official blog for the M/V Persistence, the boat that is off Aruba

[ortiga]

Yes ortiga .... This site is almost history.

Depending on one's faith, of course, who does one think of when there is mention of the Christmas Child ?? I think that's what I meant when I mentioned people going "overboard".

JMO

Yes I'd say that some people have got a little carried away in following this case, and the word "overboard" is apropos.

Hope to see you FM, on other boards....and also to all the people I like to argue with....hope your New Year is great, and that maybe we will be on the same side of some case in 2008.

[TobyTiger]

"Call me Hootie, we need to talk". Yup, every victim of a kidnapping has the freedom to make phonecalls at will.
Sure they do!
:D

Seriously, that poster was more directed at someone who voluntarily ran away than a kidnapping victim. I believe the word "missing" would have been more appropriate.

[TobyTiger]

Depending on one's faith, of course, who does one think of when there is mention of the Christmas Child ?? I think that's what I meant when I mentioned people going "overboard".

JMO
The birth of the Christ child...Jesus. Not a young adult who went missing 2,000 years later.

[Grandad]

Hey FM, only 2 more days, less than 2 days of this august site.

<snip>

"The boards will stay open for the foreseeable future."

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/announcement.php?f=298

Happy New Year, everyone.

[ortiga]

"The boards will stay open for the foreseeable future."

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/announcement.php?f=298

Happy New Year, everyone.

What!!! You mean I was nice for nothing?!!

[Luke Davis]

What!!! You mean I was nice for nothing?!!
And I was getting lots of sleep so I could stay up late and get the last post!
:hat:

[ortiga]

And I was getting lots of sleep so I could stay up late and get the last post!
:hat:

Oh no you don't!

I figured everyone would tell everyone else what they really think of each other......:chicken:

Then get new nics for 2008.

[fairmaiden]

"The boards will stay open for the foreseeable future."

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/announcement.php?f=298

Happy New Year, everyone.

Happy New Year to you too, Grandad .... and everyone !!

WOWZERS .... Cool Beans !!

ortiga .... I know you really ARE a nice person .... ;)

[HiLife]

Just popping in - couldn't let the year end without wishing a:


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ON THIS BOARD!


May 2008 be filled with much good health, happiness and success for all of us!

[Heyes]

Thanks Hi Life!
I hope you and yours had a terrific holiday!



BOYCOTT ARUBA!
:patriot:

[Heyes]

You tell me. Many links have been posted that J2K did NOT point the finger at two "innocent" black men. Can you tell me though how they ended up with one of the MB student's IPods and why they were identified as entering Natalee's hotel room through the sliding doors prior to her disappearance? And why only one of them was released from suspect status and not the other?
Many links have proven it was J2K2 that planned and plotted the lies about the night joran and the kalpoes managed to loose, misplace, disapear, or killed and hid Natalee. Many links have been posted with accounts of j2k pointing their fingers at the security guards. golden boy joran even felt bad about it. Now about that ipod, link please. No proof about anyone of these two innocent black men entering Natalee's hotel room. We don't know if there is still suspect status on the one security guard or not. Get back to us when you actually can prove your comments. especially the ipod fantasy. lol lol
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[Chocoholic]

Many links have proven it was J2K2 that planned and plotted the lies about the night joran and the kalpoes managed to loose, misplace, disapear, or killed and hid Natalee. Many links have been posted with accounts of j2k pointing their fingers at the security guards. golden boy joran even felt bad about it. Now about that ipod, link please. No proof about anyone of these two innocent black men entering Natalee's hotel room. We don't know if there is still suspect status on the one security guard or not. Get back to us when you actually can prove your comments. especially the ipod fantasy. lol lol
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

Yes one of the SGs is still a suspect, only two people were released from suspect status, Paul v.d. Sloot and one of the SG's.

Plenty of links have been provided to re iPod. Not going to continue to provide multiple links.

LOL proof is beth's "signed statements"? LMAO that's a thighslapper.

I know it's your opinion but the opinion that counts is the judge's.

[ortiga]

Many links have proven it was J2K2 that planned and plotted the lies about the night joran and the kalpoes managed to loose, misplace, disapear, or killed and hid Natalee. Many links have been posted with accounts of j2k pointing their fingers at the security guards. golden boy joran even felt bad about it. Now about that ipod, link please. No proof about anyone of these two innocent black men entering Natalee's hotel room. We don't know if there is still suspect status on the one security guard or not. Get back to us when you actually can prove your comments. especially the ipod fantasy. lol lol
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!


What was the name of the guy who tried to enter Natalee's room while the 4 girls were resting? You remember, the time that Beth Twitty denied 3 times on Greta that it ever happened. He was dressed as a security guard, IIRC.

Boycott broken records!!

[HiLife]

Many links have proven it was J2K2 that planned and plotted the lies about the night joran and the kalpoes managed to loose, misplace, disapear, or killed and hid Natalee. Many links have been posted with accounts of j2k pointing their fingers at the security guards. golden boy joran even felt bad about it. Now about that ipod, link please. No proof about anyone of these two innocent black men entering Natalee's hotel room. We don't know if there is still suspect status on the one security guard or not. Get back to us when you actually can prove your comments. especially the ipod fantasy. lol lol
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

LOL - "ipod Fantasy" So true, nary a link to this false rumor - EVER!

Bottom line is that, IMO, V2K2 have something to do with Natalee's disappearance, yet despite the mountain of Circumstantial Evidence, ALE has managed to ignore, bumble, fumble, lie and botch it all away.

No matter, as I believe that one of these days, justice will be served.

JMO

[HiLife]

(snipped)

Plenty of links have been provided to re iPod. Not going to continue to provide multiple links.

(cut)



A link to this has NEVER, EVER been posted. Not once - Nunca. Jamais. Nie. 決して. Nooit.

jmo

[Chocoholic]

LOL - "ipod Fantasy" So true, nary a link to this false rumor - EVER!

Bottom line is that, IMO, V2K2 have something to do with Natalee's disappearance, yet despite the mountain of Circumstantial Evidence, ALE has managed to ignore, bumble, fumble, lie and botch it all away.

No matter, as I believe that one of these days, justice will be served.

JMO

But more importantly the judge doesn't believe you. He has stated that there appears to be no evidence of a violent crime against Natalee at all, even after ALE received assistance from the FBI, KLPD, NFI and Interpol.

[No Nic]

A link to this has NEVER, EVER been posted. Not once - Nunca. Jamais. Nie. 決して. Nooit.

jmo

You are so right, HiLife....NO links to this nor to the "Beth requested a death certificate on day 10". Now I see in Ortiga's post above that the "guy who tried to enter Natalee's room while the 4 girls were resting" actually has a name !!??!! Maybe we could get a link to this also? LMAO The lies/misinformation (intentional?) never ends does it?

imo

[bchand]

You are so right, HiLife....NO links to this nor to the "Beth requested a death certificate on day 10". Now I see in Ortiga's post above that the "guy who tried to enter Natalee's room while the 4 girls were resting" actually has a name !!??!! Maybe we could get a link to this also? LMAO The lies/misinformation (intentional?) never ends does it?

imo


How true NoNic. I was just amazed at the posts where some are so offended to hear Natalee being referred to as the christmas child.

My daughter is named Natalie - which means "little one born on Christmas". (She actually was born on christmas day.)

It's just the meaning of her name folks ! aka christmas child

[Luke Davis]

Yes one of the SGs is still a suspect, only two people were released from suspect status, Paul v.d. Sloot and one of the SG's.

Plenty of links have been provided to re iPod. Not going to continue to provide multiple links.

LOL proof is beth's "signed statements"? LMAO that's a thighslapper.

I know it's your opinion but the opinion that counts is the judge's.

I may have not understood but I was under the impression all were recently taken off the suspect list. Specifically on Greta, Joe T. said Joran had called him and read the 'papers". The whole purpose of making this a cold case was to relieve the suspects because of a reasonable time for prosecution statute.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

A link to this has NEVER, EVER been posted. Not once - Nunca. Jamais. Nie. 決して. Nooit.

jmoIt is my understanding the file will be made public, that should clear things up.

IMO

[HiLife]

It is my understanding the file will be made public, that should clear things up.

IMO

Hopefully!!! :)

[HiLife]

How true NoNic. I was just amazed at the posts where some are so offended to hear Natalee being referred to as the christmas child.

My daughter is named Natalie - which means "little one born on Christmas". (She actually was born on christmas day.)

It's just the meaning of her name folks ! aka christmas child

So glad you dropped in to help edify us, bchand! I didn't know that it was the actual meaning of the name "Natalie" - I've always thought it to be a pretty name and now it is more beautiful to me, given its meaning.

So disheartening when people keep taking potshots at every turn regarding anything having to do with Natalee, her family or the family supporters. They never learn that all their criticisms have absolutely no basis and it keeps backfiring on them.

jmo

[HiLife]

You are so right, HiLife....NO links to this nor to the "Beth requested a death certificate on day 10". Now I see in Ortiga's post above that the "guy who tried to enter Natalee's room while the 4 girls were resting" actually has a name !!??!! Maybe we could get a link to this also? LMAO The lies/misinformation (intentional?) never ends does it?

imo

LOL - Now the mysterious "arm" seen trying to open the sliding glass door has a name?? :eek: IIRC, the arm was the only thing anyone in the room saw. Maybe now they've given it a name, like one does with a stuffed animal?

You're right. No, it never ends. :rolleyes:

jmo

[ortiga]

snipped IIRC, the arm was the only thing anyone in the room saw. snipped

jmo

you don't recall correctly. :read:

[Chocoholic]

How true NoNic. I was just amazed at the posts where some are so offended to hear Natalee being referred to as the christmas child.

My daughter is named Natalie - which means "little one born on Christmas". (She actually was born on christmas day.)

It's just the meaning of her name folks ! aka christmas child

Oh this is priceless. Natalee wasn't born anywhere near Christmas but she's referred to in a Christlike manner?

Why don't we just call her the holy chosen one?

[Luke Davis]

A college is now going to do their own investigation.

The students at Bauder College in Atlanta also will look into the disappearance three years ago of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jJriCiFGEwdgNBSImpOIiAHsPqUAD8TTAO2O1)

They were on FOX News this morning and plan to study the file when it is made public and interview Brookies who were on the trip.


IMO

[ortiga]

snipped and [plan to] interview Brookies who were on the trip.


IMO

Good luck to them!!

[fairmaiden]

How true NoNic. I was just amazed at the posts where some are so offended to hear Natalee being referred to as the christmas child.

My daughter is named Natalie - which means "little one born on Christmas". (She actually was born on christmas day.)

It's just the meaning of her name folks ! aka christmas child

Happy New Year b. Good to see you.

I have to admit, I was one who was "offended" by Natalee being referred to as the "Christmas Child". I understand that the meaning of her name is "little one born on Christmas", which is even a little different than "Christmas child". Since the reference was made around Christmas time, there is only one "Christmas Child", IMO. I believe that's why I found it offensive.

Would you refer to your daughter as the "Christmas Child" ??

JMO

[HiLife]

Would you refer to your daughter as the "Christmas Child" ??

JMO

Not bchand, but bchand posted that not only is the meaning "little one born on Christmas," but she also wrote her Natalie was actually born on Christmas Day! So wouldn't that make her bchand's "Christmas Child??" ;)

eta - even if bchand's daughter was not born on Christmas Day, the meaning of her name is, "little one born on Christmas." I'm not getting why the parsing and not understanding these meanings? :shrug:

WHAT is different about "little one born on Christmas" as opposed to "Christmas Child?!" BOTH are talking about a Child born on Christmas - whether the child was actually born on Christmas or NOT. :shrug:

It is all very clear to me and clearly explained by bchand. Not getting why this is so difficult?

[HiLife]

A college is now going to do their own investigation.

AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jJriCiFGEwdgNBSImpOIiAHsPqUAD8TTAO2O1)

They were on FOX News this morning and plan to study the file when it is made public and interview Brookies who were on the trip.


IMO
This is encouraging - now maybe we'll finally get someplace!

[Chocoholic]

Not bchand, but bchand posted that not only is the meaning "little one born on Christmas," but she also wrote her Natalie was actually born on Christmas Day! So wouldn't that make her bchand's "Christmas Child??" ;)

eta - even if bchand's daughter was not born on Christmas Day, the meaning of her name is, "little one born on Christmas." I'm not getting why the parsing and not understanding these meanings? :shrug:

WHAT is different about "little one born on Christmas" as opposed to "Christmas Child?!" BOTH are talking about a Child born on Christmas - whether the child was actually born on Christmas or NOT. :shrug:

It is all very clear to me and clearly explained by bchand. Not getting why this is so difficult?

Who moved Natalee's birthday to Christmas?

[No Nic]

This is encouraging - now maybe we'll finally get someplace!


I doubt the ALE will release anything of value, especially not the complete file (If there is even a complete file??), because if the world had knowledge of the investigation results, I believe we would be horrified. I believe those in power in Aruba have insured for themselves that Natalee's disappearance will never be solved, because it would be "bad for Aruba" if the world had proof of Natalee's fate.

Natalee Holloway and Willard "Bud" Larson......Forever lost in the BLACK HOLE of Aruba.

imo

[Luke Davis]

A hearing in the Dr. Phil lawsuit is scheduled for today.

IMO

[HiLife]

Who moved Natalee's birthday to Christmas?

<sigh>

Whether or not the child is born on Christmas Day, the name Natalie/Natalee still means "Little one born on Christmas."

WHAT is different about "little one born on Christmas" as opposed to "Christmas Child?!"

BOTH are talking about a Child born on Christmas - whether the child was actually born on Christmas or NOT. :shrug:

[Chocoholic]

<sigh>

Whether or not the child is born on Christmas Day, the name Natalie/Natalee still means "Little one born on Christmas."

WHAT is different about "little one born on Christmas" as opposed to "Christmas Child?!"

BOTH are talking about a Child born on Christmas - whether the child was actually born on Christmas or NOT. :shrug:

Well if we base it on that I'm the Virgin Mary.

[fairmaiden]

<sigh>

Whether or not the child is born on Christmas Day, the name Natalie/Natalee still means "Little one born on Christmas."

WHAT is different about "little one born on Christmas" as opposed to "Christmas Child?!"

BOTH are talking about a Child born on Christmas - whether the child was actually born on Christmas or NOT. :shrug:

HiLife .... No one is asking YOU to be offended by the reference. I was.

By the way, your "sighing" is a little condescending.

JMO

[bchand]

Oh this is priceless. Natalee wasn't born anywhere near Christmas but she's referred to in a Christlike manner?

Why don't we just call her the holy chosen one?

What is it about the meaning of the NAME Natalee being Christmas Child don't you understand? There is no rule that you HAVE to be born on Christmas day to have the name.

Oops Hi Life I see you trying to explain after I posted this, sorry.

[bchand]

Happy New Year b. Good to see you.

I have to admit, I was one who was "offended" by Natalee being referred to as the "Christmas Child". I understand that the meaning of her name is "little one born on Christmas", which is even a little different than "Christmas child". Since the reference was made around Christmas time, there is only one "Christmas Child", IMO. I believe that's why I found it offensive.

Would you refer to your daughter as the "Christmas Child" ??

JMO


Hi Fair - Happy New Year to you too. She certainly is and will always be "my" christmas child. I'm sorry if that offends you, but she is my pride and joy.

[Chocoholic]

What is it about the meaning of the NAME Natalee being Christmas Child don't you understand? There is no rule that you HAVE to be born on Christmas day to have the name.

Oops Hi Life I see you trying to explain after I posted this, sorry.

As I said, based on name alone I'm the Virgin Mary. If you ask my parents and my children, they'll vow to that too.

[HiLife]

HiLife .... No one is asking YOU to be offended by the reference. I was.

By the way, your "sighing" is a little condescending.

JMO

I didn't "Sigh" at YOU. WHO said I was "offended???" You said you were the one "offended." Stop twisting and tag teaming. Bchand's explanation was quite clear, yet the meaning kept being questioned. Please remember what you are always the first to explain how message boards work - anyone can answer.

BTW, I was explaining, because Bchand's explanation seemed to be misunderstood by some refusing to understand a simple explanation. Hope you've finally got it sorted out.

[Luke Davis]

Hi Fair - Happy New Year to you too. She certainly is and will always be "my" christmas child. I'm sorry if that offends you, but she is my pride and joy.
Does it offend anyone that Joran, means father of Superman?
:hat:

Joran is Scandanavian for Jorel.


IMO

[HiLife]

Hi Fair - Happy New Year to you too. She certainly is and will always be "my" christmas child. I'm sorry if that offends you, but she is my pride and joy.

Your post was clear, bchand (as always!). Sometimes people see only what they want to see. :shrug:

[HiLife]

Does it offend anyone that Joran, means father of Superman?
:hat:

Joran is Scandanavian for Jorel.

IMO

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! Good one, Luke.

I thought Joran was Scandinavian for LIAR. :chicken:


JMO!

[fairmaiden]

Hi Fair - Happy New Year to you too. She certainly is and will always be "my" christmas child. I'm sorry if that offends you, but she is my pride and joy.

I know it's nitpicking, b. Your daughter WAS born on Christmas day. I can see the reference as far as your daughter is concerned, and I'm sure she's your pride and joy.

Natalee was not born on Christmas Day, therefore any reference to her as "Christmas Child" is just a little disingenuous to me. To me, the difference is actually being BORN on Christmas Day.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Your post was clear, bchand (as always!). Sometimes people see only what they want to see. :shrug:

You're correct, HiLife .... b's post was clear. I understood b's post quite well, thank you.

By the way, would you clarify something for me please .. What exactly IS "tag teaming" ??

JMO

[HiLife]

You're correct, HiLife .... b's post was clear. I understood b's post quite well, thank you.

By the way, would you clarify something for me please .. What exactly IS "tag teaming" ??

JMO

No it doesn't sound like it was understood at all, but we can agree to disagree.

[Chocoholic]

I didn't "Sigh" at YOU. WHO said I was "offended???" You said you were the one "offended." Stop twisting and tag teaming. Bchand's explanation was quite clear, yet the meaning kept being questioned. Please remember what you are always the first to explain how message boards work - anyone can answer.

BTW, I was explaining, because Bchand's explanation seemed to be misunderstood by some refusing to understand a simple explanation. Hope you've finally got it sorted out.

Oh good, glad we got all that sorted out.

[Heyes]

But more importantly the judge doesn't believe you. He has stated that there appears to be no evidence of a violent crime against Natalee at all, even after ALE received assistance from the FBI, KLPD, NFI and Interpol.

The judge, lol lol Uh yeah, lol I trust that guy!
wierd how the prosecutors office, another judge.... seem to agree that joran and his buddies needed their butts back in jail. The only person who counted in this charade was the same guy that let them go the other times from what I understand. I have heard he too is a buddyof paulus and if that's true, which I bet it is.... then there will never be enough evidence.
heck someone even has started a spin that if Natalee is found then by golly,
"the family" set this up to nail joran. lol that really cracks me up. IMO

Looks like poor Mos was just a little bit naive thinking he could make j2k talk. All they had to do was remain silent. Yeah that's just such a noble, innocent thing to do. remain silent. Now why would they look guilty?

IMO

aruba will forever be marked.

IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[Heyes]

No it doesn't sound like it was understood at all, but we can agree to disagree.

I just read all this. Look at it this way, if it's about Natalee then it will offend. Especially if it was something nice. instead of it just being nice, it must be exaggerated and spun into putting Natalee in a robe with a bright light and sceptre. unbelievable.
just shakin my head.
What bchand said is nice, and what Natalee means is nice, and if someone wants to call their child who is named after Christmas their Christmas child, then good for them. How does this offend? Oh wait....... it's Natalee Holloway!
c'mon
IMO

[HiLife]

I just read all this. Look at it this way, if it's about Natalee then it will offend. Especially if it was something nice. instead of it just being nice, it must be exaggerated and spun into putting Natalee in a robe with a bright light and sceptre. unbelievable.
just shakin my head.
What bchand said is nice, and what Natalee means is nice, and if someone wants to call their child who is named after Christmas their Christmas child, then good for them. How does this offend? Oh wait....... it's Natalee Holloway!
c'mon
IMO
As usual, Heyes, you are a voice of reason.

For the life of me, I don't understand why it is not understood that the meaning of the name "Natalie," as bchand clearly explained, is "Little one born on Christmas" and that it means the same thing as "Christmas Child" - regardless whether the child was or was not born on the actual Christmas Day! The meaning of the name is NOT predicated on the child being born on Christmas day - yet the meaning can still be "Christmas Child"!

It is a beautiful meaning.

[Heyes]

As usual, Heyes, you are a voice of reason.

For the life of me, I don't understand why it is not understood that the meaning of the name "Natalie," as bchand clearly explained, is "Little one born on Christmas" and that it means the same thing as "Christmas Child" - regardless whether the child was or was not born on the actual Christmas Day! The meaning of the name is NOT predicated on the child being born on Christmas day - yet the meaning can still be "Christmas Child"!

It is a beautiful meaning.

Hey HiLife!
Have you heard anything about the search? During Christmas all the crime cases seem to disappear in the news.
I wonder what the meetings in aruba are like now that the scam of a investigation was officially closed. no wait. not closed. not really. lol
That place just can't seem to get it together no matter what angle they try. lmao!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[HiLife]

Hey HiLife!
Have you heard anything about the search? During Christmas all the crime cases seem to disappear in the news.
I wonder what the meetings in aruba are like now that the scam of a investigation was officially closed. no wait. not closed. not really. lol
That place just can't seem to get it together no matter what angle they try. lmao!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!


The last I'd heard on the CTV site, the searchers had only found a piano. You're right, everything seems to have quieted down during the holidays for all the cases I've been following...... Today has been all about the Iowa Caucuses (Huckabee, Obama, in the lead for their parties)

Luke posted a link earlier about students from Atlanta's Bauder College who were going to look into the disappearance/investigation once it is made public. After the way this case has been botched, IMO, any help would be welcomed.

jmo

[bchand]

You're correct, HiLife .... b's post was clear. I understood b's post quite well, thank you.

By the way, would you clarify something for me please .. What exactly IS "tag teaming" ??

JMO

TY Fair - btw have you tried 320Sycamore yet? There's a woman who keeps popping up and talking. lol very annoying. jmo

[Chocoholic]

Hey HiLife!
Have you heard anything about the search? During Christmas all the crime cases seem to disappear in the news.
I wonder what the meetings in aruba are like now that the scam of a investigation was officially closed. no wait. not closed. not really. lol
That place just can't seem to get it together no matter what angle they try. lmao!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!

Who said a crime took place in this investigation? Certainly not the judge, he deemed that no violent act had been perpetracted upon Natalee.

A missing person case stays open in most countries until it is resolved. Hence the reason that Joran would much rather have gone to trial. The active investigation is done. It's now a cold case. IF for any reason significant evidence is brought forth that the investigation should be reopened it will be.

But you knew that, I know you're smart.

[Chocoholic]

Luke posted a link earlier about students from Atlanta's Bauder College who were going to look into the disappearance/investigation once it is made public. After the way this case has been botched, IMO, any help would be welcomed.

jmo

It'll be interesting where they get their information from and how they will base their findings on said information. :D I wonder how they feel about thoughtprints.

[Grandad]

I know it's nitpicking, b. Your daughter WAS born on Christmas day. I can see the reference as far as your daughter is concerned, and I'm sure she's your pride and joy.

Natalee was not born on Christmas Day, therefore any reference to her as "Christmas Child" is just a little disingenuous to me. To me, the difference is actually being BORN on Christmas Day.

JMO

Why are you trying to confuse them with logic?

Not that they need you to confuse them. They seem to be able to do that all by themselves.

[Grandad]

TY Fair - btw have you tried 320Sycamore yet? There's a woman who keeps popping up and talking. lol very annoying. jmo

I visited the site once and I noticed a "Donate" button predominately displayed.

Is Beth affiliated with the site?

[ortiga]

The last I'd heard on the CTV site, the searchers had only found a piano. snip
jmo

Billy Joel popped into my mind. Piano man....piano girl??

So the search encompassed Christmas and she was the Christmas child. Which is the holiday in January whose essence she will evoke?

I wonder what all those people who voted for Huckabee in Iowa would think of a second "Christmas Child". Not being born on Christmas, or anywhere near it, not being a child, and all that.

[Heyes]

Billy Joel popped into my mind. Piano man....piano girl??

So the search encompassed Christmas and she was the Christmas child. Which is the holiday in January whose essence she will evoke?

I wonder what all those people who voted for Huckabee in Iowa would think of a second "Christmas Child". Not being born on Christmas, or anywhere near it, not being a child, and all that.

Huckabee?
LOL
From the definition of Natalee to Huckabee?
lol lol lol lol lol
So what do ya think the definition of joran means?
I'd say Sneaky Liar with a tendency towards violence.
imo

lol

[Heyes]

I visited the site once and I noticed a "Donate" button predominately displayed.

Is Beth affiliated with the site?

Like JoeT's site when he was begging for donations to help his, cough, client?
That went over like a lead balloon. lmao!
IMO
Hopefully they made enough money to buy anita a new, not so see thru wardrobe. At least get the woman an undershirt. lol
lol

imo

[Chocoholic]

Huckabee?
LOL
From the definition of Natalee to Huckabee?
lol lol lol lol lol
So what do ya think the definition of joran means?
I'd say Sneaky Liar with a tendency towards violence.
imo

lol

You would but you're wrong.

[Chocoholic]

Hopefully they made enough money to buy anita a new, not so see thru wardrobe. At least get the woman an undershirt. lol
lol

imo

Do you have any proof that moneys collected by Joe T for Joran's defense went to the family as you imply?

I'm glad Anita dresses, acts and looks like a mother. IMO I can't say the same about big Hootie.

[ortiga]

Do you have any proof that moneys collected by Joe T for Joran's defense went to the family as you imply?

I'm glad Anita dresses, acts and looks like a mother. IMO I can't say the same about big Hootie.

Yes there is no comparison, Anita has acted with class, and dressed like a mother, from day one of this ordeal. I can't imagine her presenting herself on a "girls just wanna have fun" TV escapade with Greta, to show off her new facial transformation.

[HiLife]

Frump is OUT, Hip is IN!

:biggrin:

jmo

[Grandad]

Like JoeT's site when he was begging for donations to help his, cough, client?
That went over like a lead balloon. lmao!
IMO
Hopefully they made enough money to buy anita a new, not so see thru wardrobe. At least get the woman an undershirt. lol
lol

imo


Is there a connection here? Or do you think any post is an excuse to try to demean Aruba or the van der Sloots?

[Grandad]

Yes there is no comparison, Anita has acted with class, and dressed like a mother, from day one of this ordeal. I can't imagine her presenting herself on a "girls just wanna have fun" TV escapade with Greta, to show off her new facial transformation.

Somehow I can't picture Anita wearing hiphuggers for an audience with the queen to ask her to boycott Alabama.

Of course, I can't picture Anita asking anyone to boycott anything.

[ortiga]

A hearing in the Dr. Phil lawsuit is scheduled for today.

IMO

Hey Luke I haven't seen any news on this....have you? Anyone else?

[HiLife]

Somehow I can't picture Anita wearing hiphuggers for an audience with the queen to ask her to boycott Alabama.

Of course, I can't picture Anita asking anyone to boycott anything.

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.

But I can picture Anita enabling and giving the suspects helpful advice on covering up (according to Deepak's statement and Anita telling them to watch what they say over the telephone, to others, or what they write on the computer).

jmo

[Chocoholic]

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.

But I can picture Anita enabling and giving the suspects helpful advice on covering up (according to Deepak's statement and Anita telling them to watch what they say over the telephone, to others, or what they write on the computer).

jmo

Another one of beth's falsified "signed statements"? GMB. Call me Hootie we need to talk.

Face it, the judge from Curacao doesn't believe a violent crime took place in this case, and he has a whole lot more information that you, beth and the family message boards combined.

[HiLife]

Another one of beth's falsified "signed statements"? GMB

<snipped>



Har-dee-har-har.....Deepak's statement....it was in JORAN'S BOOK! lololol!!!!!!

p.s. - JORAN said it in his book, too - about his own mother! lolol!!

jmo

[Chocoholic]

Har-dee-har-har.....Deepak's statement....it was in JORAN'S BOOK! lololol!!!!!!

p.s. - JORAN said it in his book, too - about his own mother! lolol!!

jmo

Translated by beth with the assistance of babelfish? :biggrin:

[Grandad]

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.




Are you suggesting there was anything attractive about Beth wearing hungers at the press conference with the governor of Alabama? The same hiphuggers she appeared to have worn the previous day when she was with Joe Mammana?

I imagine those two pictures were enough to keep Natalee in hiding.

[HiLife]

Translated by beth with the assistance of babelfish? :biggrin:

Why would you bring Beth into this? (Rhetorical question, of course).

It was JORAN's book, written by a Dutch writer and then translated by a Dutch poster on a Pro-Joran website. No Babelfish required. Straight from Joran's book.

jmo

[Chocoholic]

Are you suggesting there was anything attractive about Beth wearing hungers at the press conference with the governor of Alabama? The same hiphuggers she appeared to have worn the previous day when she was with Joe Mammana?

I imagine those two pictures were enough to keep Natalee in hiding.

HEH, was that before, during or after she stated that she had been SO busy that she hadn't bathed/showered for 4 or 5 days?

[fairmaiden]

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.

But I can picture Anita enabling and giving the suspects helpful advice on covering up (according to Deepak's statement and Anita telling them to watch what they say over the telephone, to others, or what they write on the computer).

jmo

HiLife .... I have a question. If one of your kids was a person of interest in a kidnap, rape, murder case .... might even be suspected of committing any of those crimes, or ALL of them .... would you not be cautioning him/her to be very careful when talking about this with their friends, OR ... in this day and age, what they may write on the computer ?? I know I would !!! Is there something wrong with a parent cautioning their son ??

JMO

[ortiga]

HiLife .... I have a question. If one of your kids was a person of interest in a kidnap, rape, murder case .... might even be suspected of committing any of those crimes, or ALL of them .... would you not be cautioning him/her to be very careful when talking about this with their friends, OR ... in this day and age, what they may write on the computer ?? I know I would !!! Is there something wrong with a parent cautioning their son ??

JMO

Hi FM, Happy New Year.

It's a house of cards, the whole monkey case against the boys....they need cards like "her stomach would probably flop over"...........to hold up their shaky, eroded structure.

Did you see that series of silly videos from Hodges? It's over on RU.

When Deepak in his "confession" says to his friend .... Hi Betty......he's really saying Bet(h Twit)ty.

Then when Deepak who speaks English as a 3rd language says I hope you and your family IS fine.....Hodges spins that out to mean that since Deepak should have used the word "are" instead of "is" that means that one of the members of Betty's family Bet(h Twit)ty is not fine, ie Natalee is dead. That's one of his proofs that Deepak "confessed" in this email.

Hodges says he counts every word in part of his revelations of what the unconcious mind is trying to get out.....even, apparently if the subject of his thought analysis doesn't even fluently speak the language that Hodges speaks.

Earlier on he says when Deepak said the words "Holiday Inn"....he really was saying that "Holloway was IN" the ocean.

The 3 part video looks like a home made job, stuck a camera in his own face.
IMO

[Chocoholic]

LMAO

Maybe Hodges can do some thoughtprints on "Well uh", and "You know", and "That's irrelevant", along with the lies beth told.

[ortiga]

LMAO

Maybe Hodges can do some thoughtprints on "Well uh", and "You know", and "That's irrelevant", along with the lies beth told.

Then maybe he could do one on Beth's words: "my biggest hope is she has only been kidnapped, raped, and drugged, and kept against her will"


Baba Wawa in her discussion about Awuba:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjOsa3-8hw

[Luke Davis]

Hey Luke I haven't seen any news on this....have you? Anyone else?Not a word. I wonder if it will even be covered now that it is a cold case?

[fairmaiden]

Then maybe he could do one on Beth's words: "my biggest hope is she has only been kidnapped, raped, and drugged, and kept against her will"


Baba Wawa in her discussion about Awuba:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjOsa3-8hw

Happy New Year to you too ....

That's really quite enlightening, ortiga. I have seen that before, but looking at it again, one has to wonder why any parent would HOPE for that, for their daughter. On the one had she says she hopes for that .... then on the other hand says she "buried her daughter June 10th". When she appears on that video "asking the world not to let these criminals into their countries". WOW !! When she admits that "a dozen or so" of their friends "checked out leads themselves" .... all through this she fears her daughter has been "kidnapped". WHO checks out leads themselves in that case ??

JMO

[Heyes]

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.

But I can picture Anita enabling and giving the suspects helpful advice on covering up (according to Deepak's statement and Anita telling them to watch what they say over the telephone, to others, or what they write on the computer).

jmo

All the while wiping sweat from her husbands head and feigning concern about "the girl" joran misplaced. IMO
She never got off that, not made for hip hugger jeans, butt of hers and actually joined the search. In fact by jorans own statements regarding how many people that sacrificed their time looking for Natalee, it looks to me like the vandersloots and the kalpoes were the only people on that island that couldn't be bothered. IMO
IMO

[Luke Davis]

All the while wiping sweat from her husbands head and feigning concern about "the girl" joran misplaced. IMO
She never got off that, not made for hip hugger jeans, butt of hers and actually joined the search. In fact by jorans own statements regarding how many people that sacrificed their time looking for Natalee, it looks to me like the vandersloots and the kalpoes were the only people on that island that couldn't be bothered. IMO
IMO

If a loved one of mine was missing, I certainly wouldn't want suspects or people of interest involved in the search. :hat:

[fairmaiden]

Hi FM, Happy New Year.

<<snip>>
Did you see that series of silly videos from Hodges? It's over on RU.

When Deepak in his "confession" says to his friend .... Hi Betty......he's really saying Bet(h Twit)ty.

Then when Deepak who speaks English as a 3rd language says I hope you and your family IS fine.....Hodges spins that out to mean that since Deepak should have used the word "are" instead of "is" that means that one of the members of Betty's family Bet(h Twit)ty is not fine, ie Natalee is dead. That's one of his proofs that Deepak "confessed" in this email.

Hodges says he counts every word in part of his revelations of what the unconcious mind is trying to get out.....even, apparently if the subject of his thought analysis doesn't even fluently speak the language that Hodges speaks.

Earlier on he says when Deepak said the words "Holiday Inn"....he really was saying that "Holloway was IN" the ocean.

The 3 part video looks like a home made job, stuck a camera in his own face.
IMO

To quote you again ortiga .... I have to be honest with you .... I looked at 2 of the videos .... couldn't even FORCE myself to look at the third !! It's just astounding, IMO. I really have to wonder why ANYONE would align themselves with this man and Jossy Mansur, as if they were the beacon of truth. Jossy Mansur has been shown to be not the LEAST bit credible in this case .... and now we have Hodges. I love how he peddles his book. I kept waiting for him to say "Get it at your nearest bookstore right now".

Not to mention, he can't even get is simple FACTS straight. "They have been CHARGED with voluntary manslaughter" .... !!

The people who have USED the disappearance of Natalee to peddle their wares should be ashamed of themselves !!

JMO

[fairmaiden]

If a loved one of mine was missing, I certainly wouldn't want suspects or people of interest involved in the search. :hat:

Hi Luke .... Happy New Year !!!

Of COURSE you're right !!!

JMO

[ortiga]

Not a word. I wonder if it will even be covered now that it is a cold case?


We need one of our old posters who had a subscription to the court documents, however that worked.

[ortiga]

Happy New Year to you too ....

That's really quite enlightening, ortiga. I have seen that before, but looking at it again, one has to wonder why any parent would HOPE for that, for their daughter. On the one had she says she hopes for that .... then on the other hand says she "buried her daughter June 10th". When she appears on that video "asking the world not to let these criminals into their countries". WOW !! When she admits that "a dozen or so" of their friends "checked out leads themselves" .... all through this she fears her daughter has been "kidnapped". WHO checks out leads themselves in that case ??

JMO

I don't remember the exact words she used and can't stand to go watch babawawa again (as she is propped up with special lighting and gauze filters for the intro)

But Beth said that they received no help.

What a liar. I wonder if that was the time before or after the Dutch marines searched, the F16s searched, the whole government had a day off to search, etc etc etc

[ortiga]

All the while wiping sweat from her husbands head and feigning concern about "the girl" joran misplaced. IMO
She never got off that, not made for hip hugger jeans, butt of hers and actually joined the search. In fact by jorans own statements regarding how many people that sacrificed their time looking for Natalee, it looks to me like the vandersloots and the kalpoes were the only people on that island that couldn't be bothered. IMO
IMO

You need to add in the Twitty twins, Natalee's best friends, Natalee's next to best friends, the chaperones, Beth, etc.

[ortiga]

To quote you again ortiga .... I have to be honest with you .... I looked at 2 of the videos .... couldn't even FORCE myself to look at the third !! It's just astounding, IMO. I really have to wonder why ANYONE would align themselves with this man and Jossy Mansur, as if they were the beacon of truth. Jossy Mansur has been shown to be not the LEAST bit credible in this case .... and now we have Hodges. I love how he peddles his book. I kept waiting for him to say "Get it at your nearest bookstore right now".

Not to mention, he can't even get is simple FACTS straight. "They have been CHARGED with voluntary manslaughter" .... !!

The people who have USED the disappearance of Natalee to peddle their wares should be ashamed of themselves !!

JMO


lol he had it propped on the bookshelf behind him the whole time

[fairmaiden]

lol he had it propped on the bookshelf behind him the whole time

I noticed that !!

[Chocoholic]

All the while wiping sweat from her husbands head and feigning concern about "the girl" joran misplaced. IMO


I saw much more real concern from Anita about Natalee missing than I ever saw from beth who buried her on day 10.

[HiLife]

Hi FM, Happy New Year.

It's a house of cards, the whole monkey case against the boys....they need cards like "her stomach would probably flop over"...........to hold up their shaky, eroded structure.

<snip>

IMO
Of course, you don't mention that it comes AFTER snarky comments about Beth in hiphuggers are made and then more about Beth not bathing. :rolleyes: I don't know why anyone starts with the criticizing when there is much to go around. :rolleyes:

jmo

[HiLife]

Happy New Year to you too ....

That's really quite enlightening, ortiga. I have seen that before, but looking at it again, one has to wonder why any parent would HOPE for that, for their daughter. On the one had she says she hopes for that .... then on the other hand says she "buried her daughter June 10th". When she appears on that video "asking the world not to let these criminals into their countries". WOW !! When she admits that "a dozen or so" of their friends "checked out leads themselves" .... all through this she fears her daughter has been "kidnapped". WHO checks out leads themselves in that case ??
JMO

WHO? If you had read the book, Beth explains why and how they were FORCED to look for Natalee, as ALE was slow (eating Frosted Flakes and shaving) and inept. Since you do not want to read the book, then I guess you miss out on the explanation to all your questions and your criticizing.

I haven't answered the post yet, but I see you asked me if it were my son in Joran's position and advising him......if it were YOUR daughter and you suspected these men, wouldn't you be desperate enough to not let them "get away" into another country? If you are not as outspoken as Beth, why criticize her for doing that, just because it is something YOU would not do. Everyone is different and you are not wearing Beth's shoes.

JMO

[HiLife]

You need to add in the Twitty twins, Natalee's best friends, Natalee's next to best friends, the chaperones, Beth, etc.

Why would any of those kids or any of the parents of those kids allow them to set foot back on that Island after what happened to Natalee and after what they saw happen to Beth? Be real.

jmo

[HiLife]

I saw much more real concern from Anita about Natalee missing than I ever saw from beth who buried her on day 10.

Oh, please. You insist with the snarky comments. There is much about Anita to criticize so let's stop this.

[HiLife]

HiLife .... I have a question. If one of your kids was a person of interest in a kidnap, rape, murder case .... might even be suspected of committing any of those crimes, or ALL of them .... would you not be cautioning him/her to be very careful when talking about this with their friends, OR ... in this day and age, what they may write on the computer ?? I know I would !!! Is there something wrong with a parent cautioning their son ??

JMO

The way I see it, FM, we cannot begin at the point where Anita helped the men cover. We have to go back to those intial first days, including the poolside pow-wows. As Julianella so often said, I would have been on top of those men, especially my son, to TELL THE TRUTH!

When the VDS' discovered the heinous, callous, cruel, detailed lies from Joran and Deepak misleading the parents on where to possibly find their daughter on that important, first night.......I can honestly say I would have gone BALLISTIC on their AZZES!!!

The VDS' did not just "caution" their son. They went much further, IMO. Much further how? I don't know exactly, but "much further", to me, can be: "no body, no case", possibly Paulus helping with the cover-up, Paulus interference thru judge connections (stopping search warrants), Paulus trying to get his hands on the HI tape.....etc.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

The hiphuggers would be silly because at Anita's age, her stomach would probably flop over the top. Unattractive.

But I can picture Anita enabling and giving the suspects helpful advice on covering up (according to Deepak's statement and Anita telling them to watch what they say over the telephone, to others, or what they write on the computer).

jmo

The way I see it, FM, we cannot begin at the point where Anita helped the men cover. We have to go back to those intial first days, including the poolside pow-wows. As Julianella so often said, I would have been on top of those men, especially my son, to TELL THE TRUTH!

When the VDS' discovered the heinous, callous, cruel, detailed lies from Joran and Deepak misleading the parents on where to possibly find their daughter on that important, first night.......I can honestly say I would have gone BALLISTIC on their AZZES!!!

The VDS' did not just "caution" their son. They went much further, IMO. Much further how? I don't know exactly, but "much further", to me, can be: "no body, no case", possibly Paulus helping with the cover-up, Paulus interference thru judge connections (stopping search warrants), Paulus trying to get his hands on the HI tape.....etc.

jmo

I was responding to your post where you talk specifically about Anita telling them to be careful what they say over the phone, or on the computer. I would think that would be a NATURAL thing to say to persons of interest in Natalee's disappearance. If it were MY child who was suspected, I'm sure I would be cautioning also. You call in "enabling". I don't look at it that way at all.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

WHO? If you had read the book, Beth explains why and how they were FORCED to look for Natalee, as ALE was slow (eating Frosted Flakes and shaving) and inept. Since you do not want to read the book, then I guess you miss out on the explanation to all your questions and your criticizing.

I haven't answered the post yet, but I see you asked me if it were my son in Joran's position and advising him......if it were YOUR daughter and you suspected these men, wouldn't you be desperate enough to not let them "get away" into another country? If you are not as outspoken as Beth, why criticize her for doing that, just because it is something YOU would not do. Everyone is different and you are not wearing Beth's shoes.

JMO

HiLife .... I am sure I wouldn't have handled ANY of this the way Beth did. To call Joran et al "criminals" in the very early stages of this was bizarre, IMO. Oh, I can be VERY outspoken .... but I tend to CHOOSE my battles.

You seem to have no problem criticizing. Is it just criticism of Beth that's not allowed ?? Anita seems to be fair game with you, and Anita wasn't even ON Aruba when this happened. I don't see you telling any of your fellow-posters to stop criticizing Anita.

JMO

[No Nic]

I was responding to your post where you talk specifically about Anita telling them to be careful what they say over the phone, or on the computer. I would think that would be a NATURAL thing to say to persons of interest in Natalee's disappearance. If it were MY child who was suspected, I'm sure I would be cautioning also. You call in "enabling". I don't look at it that way at all.

JMO

If they were innocent, then nothing they would say could harm them, right? Why would there be a need to be careful what you say? Simply does not make sense for a parent to tell an innocent child to be cautious of what they say.

Of course, if you know your child is guilty as he!! and want to insure that he does not go to prison, it makes sense.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he simply TELL THE TRUTH !!!!!
Pretty simple actually.
imo

[Luke Davis]

If they were innocent, then nothing they would say could harm them, right? Why would there be a need to be careful what you say? Simply does not make sense for a parent to tell an innocent child to be cautious of what they say.

Of course, if you know your child is guilty as he!! and want to insure that he does not go to prison, it makes sense.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he simply TELL THE TRUTH !!!!!
Pretty simple actually.
imo

Innocent people are convicted everyday, because they just can't keep their mouth shut. Remember anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he get a lawyer and follow the lawyers advice.

[fairmaiden]

If they were innocent, then nothing they would say could harm them, right? Why would there be a need to be careful what you say? Simply does not make sense for a parent to tell an innocent child to be cautious of what they say.

Of course, if you know your child is guilty as he!! and want to insure that he does not go to prison, it makes sense.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he simply TELL THE TRUTH !!!!!
Pretty simple actually.
imo

No Nic .... Of COURSE I would be insisting my child TELL THE TRUTH!! How do you know Anita WASN'T insisting Joran do just that ?? Do you KNOW she wasn't ?? I was responding to HiLife's post where she specifically said Anita was telling them to be careful what they said ON THE PHONE ((not to authorities)), or on the computer. I would be doing the same thing. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

JMO

[HiLife]

I was responding to your post where you talk specifically about Anita telling them to be careful what they say over the phone, or on the computer. I would think that would be a NATURAL thing to say to persons of interest in Natalee's disappearance. If it were MY child who was suspected, I'm sure I would be cautioning also. You call in "enabling". I don't look at it that way at all.

JMO

Why would you quote my first post? I don't know where you get that I was not knowing what you were responding to? YOU asked me the question about helping my own child if I were in Anita's shoes (paraphrased) and I responded that in order to answer that, we had to go back......BEFORE Anita began with the caution advice.

[HiLife]

Innocent people are convicted everyday, because they just can't keep their mouth shut. Remember anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he get a lawyer and follow the lawyers advice.

Your child would probably listen. Joran wouldn't - and didn't.

jmo

[HiLife]

If they were innocent, then nothing they would say could harm them, right? Why would there be a need to be careful what you say? Simply does not make sense for a parent to tell an innocent child to be cautious of what they say.

Of course, if you know your child is guilty as he!! and want to insure that he does not go to prison, it makes sense.

If it were MY child who was suspected, I would be insisting that he simply TELL THE TRUTH !!!!!
Pretty simple actually.
imo

You are so RIGHT in saying that if they didn't do it, there would be nothing to have to WATCH - no phone conversations, internet conversations or friend conversations! What was Anita afraid of?

In addition to my post before, about going BALLISTIC on their AZZES, I can assure you there would NOT be MORE LIES, like the MANY that continued coming from Joran. Especially not after that most cruel, callous, monstrous lie that lead the parents in the wrong direction in the crucial first hours. :cuss:

There should be nothing to fear from the TRUTH. There is only ONE truth and we haven't heard it yet from Joran: The HI LIe? The SG lie? How did you get home, Joran? Where are your shoes, Joran? What size shoe do you wear, Joran? WHO picked you up, Joran? What did you tell Daddy, Joran? What did Natalee really say to you, Joran? Where did you and J2K really take Natalee, Joran?

jmo

[No Nic]

No Nic .... Of COURSE I would be insisting my child TELL THE TRUTH!! How do you know Anita WASN'T insisting Joran do just that ?? Do you KNOW she wasn't ?? I was responding to HiLife's post where she specifically said Anita was telling them to be careful what they said ON THE PHONE ((not to authorities)), or on the computer. I would be doing the same thing. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

JMO

It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence?? Um...okay

Wouldn't matter what was said ON THE PHONE, on the computer or with smoke signals...........wouldn't matter who you told it to, the authorities, your family, your friends or the tooth fairy. If you are INNOCENT, the TRUTH will NOT hurt you.

I highly doubt Anita was telling Joran to tell the truth and at the same time telling him to be careful about what he says??? THAT make absolutely NO SENSE !!

I think she was cautioning him about what he said to help keep him from spending 15 years in Kia prison. Now THAT makes perfect SENSE.

imo

[HiLife]

It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence?? Um...okay

Wouldn't matter what was said ON THE PHONE, on the computer or with smoke signals...........wouldn't matter who you told it to, the authorities, your family, your friends or the tooth fairy. If you are INNOCENT, the TRUTH will NOT hurt you.

I highly doubt Anita was telling Joran to tell the truth and at the same time telling him to be careful about what he says??? THAT make absolutely NO SENSE !!

I think she was cautioning him about what he said to help keep him from spending 15 years in Kia prison. Now THAT makes perfect SENSE.

imo

"Or with smoke signals"...........:biggrin:

[fairmaiden]

You are so RIGHT in saying that if they didn't do it, there would be nothing to have to WATCH - no phone conversations, internet conversations or friend conversations! What was Anita afraid of?

In addition to my post before, about going BALLISTIC on their AZZES, I can assure you there would NOT be MORE LIES, like the MANY that continued coming from Joran. Especially not after that most cruel, callous, monstrous lie that lead the parents in the wrong direction in the crucial first hours. :cuss:

There should be nothing to fear from the TRUTH. There is only ONE truth and we haven't heard it yet from Joran: The HI LIe? The SG lie? How did you get home, Joran? Where are your shoes, Joran? What size shoe do you wear, Joran? WHO picked you up, Joran? What did you tell Daddy, Joran? What did Natalee really say to you, Joran? Where did you and J2K really take Natalee, Joran?

jmo

I really am trying to get my head around the fact that if your child were suspected of a crime, you would have no difficulty with him/her discussing the crime they were suspected of, on the phone with their friends, if they were innocent. I would bet your child's lawyer would have LOTS of problems with it, and would caution your child NOT to be discussing this alleged crime over the phone.

I agree with you .... there is nothing at all to fear from the TRUTH .... but I'm sure you've heard the old story about "telephone conversations", haven't you, where somebody tells someone something, and by the time the "something" has reached it's end, it's a completely different story ??

I would insist my child NOT discuss the crime she was suspected of, whether she was guilty or innocent .... on the phone .... with her friends .... or on the internet.

JMO

[HiLife]

I really am trying to get my head around the fact that if your child were suspected of a crime, you would have no difficulty with him/her discussing the crime they were suspected of, on the phone with their friends, if they were innocent. I would bet your child's lawyer would have LOTS of problems with it, and would caution your child NOT to be discussing this alleged crime over the phone.

I agree with you .... there is nothing at all to fear from the TRUTH .... but I'm sure you've heard the old story about "telephone conversations", haven't you, where somebody tells someone something, and by the time the "something" has reached it's end, it's a completely different story ??

I would insist my child NOT discuss the crime she was suspected of, whether she was guilty or innocent .... on the phone .... with her friends .... or on the internet.

JMO

Regarding your first paragraph, FM, I said nothing of the sort! In my earlier response to you, FM, it was my intention to convey to you that I would NOT have even ARRIVED at the point where I would have to warn my kid. My son would NEVER have lied again after that FIRST heinous lie! And thinking about it, I certainly would not be helping THE FRIENDS (Kalpoes) to cover either!!!

Again, I would have gone BALLISTIC over that very first CRUEL, (there's no words to describe how that lie could have kept the parents from finding Natalee in those precious, crucial hours....... IF Joran hadn't done it), CALLOUS LIE. It was inhumane, FM.

As NN and I are trying to tell you, if the VDS were really horrified by the lies OR insisting Joran tell the truth, Joran wouldn't have lied SO MANY TIMES thereafter. According to his interviews, he "seems" to care about the parents. However, they must NOT have impressed upon him the importance to THEM about him telling the truth.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

Regarding your first paragraph, FM, I said nothing of the sort! In my earlier response to you, FM, it was my intention to convey to you that I would NOT have even ARRIVED at the point where I would have to warn my kid. My son would NEVER have lied again after that FIRST heinous lie! And thinking about it, I certainly would not be helping THE FRIENDS (Kalpoes) to cover either!!!

Again, I would have gone BALLISTIC over that very first CRUEL, (there's no words to describe how that lie could have kept the parents from finding Natalee in those precious, crucial hours....... IF Joran hadn't done it), CALLOUS LIE. It was inhumane, FM.

As NN and I are trying to tell you, if the VDS were really horrified by the lies OR insisting Joran tell the truth, Joran wouldn't have lied SO MANY TIMES thereafter. According to his interviews, he "seems" to care about the parents. However, they must NOT have impressed upon him the importance to THEM about him telling the truth.

jmo

There certainly is some miscommunication here. The point it not the lies which were told. To go back to your first post, which I initially responded to .... your term was "enabling" because Anita had evidently told Joran to be careful of what he said on the phone, and on the internet. No Nic responded at this point, saying in essence, there would be nothing to fear if they told they truth .... what would they have to hide, if they were innocent ?? You agreed with her. My point, perhaps Anita was "cautioning" her son not to talk about it on the phone to his friends, or on the internet, which I thought would be the proper thing to do. Both you and No Nic insisted .... IF they were innocent, it didn't matter who they talked to .

What I was saying was, and I thought clearly .... IF my child was a suspect in a crime, I would definitely be cautioning her NOT to be talking on the phone about it, OR on the internet. I think that's the SMART thing to do. It would have nothing to do with whether or not my child were innocent or guilty of the crime.

I hope I have clarified what I was posting about.

JMO

[Chocoholic]

Again, I would have gone BALLISTIC over that very first CRUEL, (there's no words to describe how that lie could have kept the parents from finding Natalee in those precious, crucial hours....... IF Joran hadn't done it), CALLOUS LIE. It was inhumane, FM.

As NN and I are trying to tell you, if the VDS were really horrified by the lies OR insisting Joran tell the truth, Joran wouldn't have lied SO MANY TIMES thereafter. According to his interviews, he "seems" to care about the parents. However, they must NOT have impressed upon him the importance to THEM about him telling the truth.

jmo
Since you have no access to the court documents, you have no idea how many lies were told. The only information you may have is that provided by boards that have the backing of the family, who won't stop at promoting the "many lies" theory. Again it's not something the judge fell for and I think we can be fairly safe in assuming that the judge is not only smarter than "uh well you know that's irrelevant beth" but he is also better versed in the law AND he has more information at his fingertips.

To top that off you're assuming a stance point from a person who is guilty of a crime. From where Joran stood (and stands) and the legal system has his back on this, no crime occurred. If he presumed that the drunken blond tourist he had left behind on the beach would show up eventually (as the last one did) why be worried about a small lie? I think that like everybody else, people thought she'd show up eventually, hungover, possibly still stoned but show up nonetheless. Kinda like big Hootie's poster:

Call me Hootie, we need to talk!

[HiLife]

Anyone and everyone following this case KNOWS about Joran's myriad LIES. He did it all by his little self. You cannot pin this on the family. Joran's words have been put out by Joran himself and it has been deemed as LIES.

The Call Me Hootie posters was the idea of the opportunistic, Julia Renfro who disguises herself as a "journalist."

jmo

[Grandad]

<snip>
The Call Me Hootie posters was the idea of the opportunistic, Julia Renfro who disguises herself as a "journalist."

jmo

Really????

The first excuse the family put out to deflect questions about that poster was that Jug's daughter designed it before Beth and Jug left for Aruba.

According to you, who designed the second poster? The one on which Beth tells Natalee both of their cell phones have been enabled for international calling.

Who wrote the radio script which Beth broadcast asking Natalee to get in touch with her?

[ortiga]

Anyone and everyone following this case KNOWS about Joran's myriad LIES. He did it all by his little self. You cannot pin this on the family. Joran's words have been put out by Joran himself and it has been deemed as LIES.

The Call Me Hootie posters was the idea of the opportunistic, Julia Renfro who disguises herself as a "journalist."

jmo

Julia channeled Beth to find out that she is "big hootie"? lol

Beth lied way more than Joran, all you have to do is go watch her reruns on youtube, that is if you can stand seeing a vitriolic, glazed eyed ranting person insisting that the only thing known for sure is that Natalee was gangraped, that it just isn't known what they did when they were "through with her". . In fact, she said to babwawa that is what her "biggest hope" was.......

I believe that explains the facial surgery....doing away with the old, without having to apologize....look in the mirror and every thing is new.....but the same thing is inside.....

poor Natalee

[ortiga]

Really????

The first excuse the family put out to deflect questions about that poster was that Jug's daughter designed it before Beth and Jug left for Aruba.

According to you, who designed the second poster? The one on which Beth tells Natalee both of their cell phones have been enabled for international calling.

Who wrote the radio script which Beth broadcast asking Natalee to get in touch with her?


That "blame Julia" thing always was a tawdry house of cards. Take out one card, it all falls, and there is Beth standing in the middle of the "house" trying vainly to prop it up as the whole mess falls right back on to her, the author of it all.

[HiLife]

Hi FM, Happy New Year.

It's a house of cards, the whole monkey case against the boys....they need cards like "her stomach would probably flop over"...........to hold up their shaky, eroded structure.
<snip>
IMO

Julia channeled Beth to find out that she is "big hootie"? lol

Beth lied way more than Joran, all you have to do is go

watch her reruns on youtube, that is if you can stand seeing a vitriolic, glazed eyed ranting person insisting that the only thing known for sure is that Natalee was gangraped, that it just isn't known what they did when they were "through with her". . In fact, she said to babwawa that is what her "biggest hope" was.......

I believe that explains the facial surgery....doing away with the old, without having to apologize....look in the mirror and every thing is new.....but the same thing is inside.....
poor Natalee

So according to your (repetitive "house of cards" theme) post above, there is a need for insulting cards against Beth? Is it a "do as I say and not as I do" kind of thing? Is the structure against Beth so shaky and tenuous that it needs cards, the likes of what were dealt in this post?

Even with all the insults against Beth, you watch the reruns of Beth's youtubes? :eek: I don't even do that! Heck, I've never really even watched the youtubes of Beth ever! Yet you watch the reruns? :eek:

Since you are the one first taking potshots at Beth, you will find there is ample against Anita.

Somehow, you've gotta admire a woman who doesn't care what she looks like when appearing before the world. I don't know a single woman who wouldn't at least comb her hair, unlike Anita, or make sure she was not x-rated with the see-through clothing, before appearing on TV. Imagine how she must look off-camera? Wonder what Paulus thinks? (Rhetorical, because I can just imagine....but that's a whole other thread! ;) )

All that enabling has to get to a person eventually and it is showing. Anita's vapid defense of the criminal men in her life, Paulus and Joran, is another nauseating show to watch. (It still hasn't been determined if any of her cover-up would be decided as "criminal") I wonder if she keeps a mop handy in her purse to wipe up after all of Paulus' nervous, guilty sweat?

Joran's lip licking, blotchy, nervous appearance (as evidenced on his TV appearances) is another stomach turner. There is good reason that this, IMO, predator, has always been the prime suspect in Natalee's murder/disappearance.

The only "shaky, eroded structure" (words in your post above) is the empty, cruel character of the Van der Sloot family.

jmo

[HiLife]

That "blame Julia" thing always was a tawdry house of cards. Take out one card, it all falls, and there is Beth standing in the middle of the "house" trying vainly to prop it up as the whole mess falls right back on to her, the author of it all.

Again with the "house of cards" theme?

The only "tawdry house" is that of the Van der Sloots. The Van der Sloots raised a hulking, lying monster who IMO preyed on young tourist girls and is suspected (definitely by the general public) of murder. Watching him lie in every interview, article and TV appearance is enough to nauseate the strongest of stomachs - though it appears Anita's stomach is big enough to take that amount of nausea.

His poor, poor brothers. What an example they have to watch - both father and brother were jailbirds and IMO will never lose the stigma of murderers. Now that's "tawdry."



jmo

[Chocoholic]

<whole bunch of snipping for plain lies> unlike Anita, or make sure she was not x-rated with the see-through clothing, before appearing on TV. Imagine how she must look off-camera?

Anita's vapid defense of the criminal men in her life



x-rated clothing? OMG she wore a bra and a dark lacy top in a climate that beth described as hotter than hell. I have no doubt that the puritanical society in the US would have covered the boobs so that the virginal eyes of all the youngsters wouldn't be exposed to such a horror. After all watching Bay Watch is educational.

Anita defended her family who aren't criminals. Seems you are missing large parts of this case. A judge has decided that there isn't any evidence that a crime has taken place in the disappearance of Natalee.

To continue to promote this lie is nothing but hate mongering. I know a site where your opinion is gladly accepted.

[HiLife]

<snip>

To continue to promote this lie is nothing but hate mongering. I know a site where your opinion is gladly accepted.

I know where there is a perfect one for you, too. :D And they don't sing lullaby's there!

jmo

[Chocoholic]

Again with the "house of cards" theme?

The only "tawdry house" is that of the Van der Sloots. The Van der Sloots raised a hulking, lying monster who IMO preyed on young tourist girls and is suspected (definitely by the general public) of murder. Watching him lie in every interview, article and TV appearance is enough to nauseate the strongest of stomachs - though it appears Anita's stomach is big enough to take that amount of nausea.

jmo

LOL if only you could plant the evidence to prove it huh. I think that would just about make your day.

[HiLife]

LOL if only you could plant the evidence to prove it huh. I think that would just about make your day.
No, no need to prove how large Anita's stomach is......It's pretty large and you pretty much cannot miss it whenever she appears on TV.

jmo

(Darn those cameras adding another 5-10 pounds!

[Chocoholic]

I know where there is a perfect one for you, too. :D And they don't sing lullaby's there!

jmo

Good, then you go back to your monkey board and report back that there still isn't any evidence and make sure that Kyle gets the support he asked for.

[Chocoholic]

No, no need to prove how large Anita's stomach is......It's pretty large and you pretty much cannot miss it whenever she appears on TV.

jmo

(Darn those camera's adding another 5-10 pounds!

Beth, that you?

[HiLife]

Good, then you go back to your monkey board and report back that there still isn't any evidence and make sure that Kyle gets the support he asked for.

Your posts are very confusing. Who is Kyle and who are you to tell me what board to go to, especially somewhere I have never even logged on to. Stop the personal insults.

jmo

[Chocoholic]

Your posts are very confusing. Who is Kyle and who are you to tell me what board to go to, especially somewhere I have never even logged on to. Stop the personal insults.

jmo

One doesn't need to log onto the the monkey website to view it.

If you don't know who Kyle is you're not a true supporter of the family. Please do some research, it's already been discussed on this board as well.

[ortiga]

snipped

Somehow, you've gotta admire a woman who doesn't care what she looks like when appearing before the world.your post above) is the empty, cruel character of the Van der Sloot family.

jmo

You must feel very annoyed that Beth is seen as she is seen.

Why hasn't she appeared "before the world" since she was so roundly laughed at after the girls just wanna have fun program? Even Greta declined to keep that video of Beth on the Fox archives. Did you catch the one where she was in the casino security area? What an appalling change-of-face from the mostlyquite pretty one she used to have. Do you have a screen shot of that? Lots and lots of black eye makeup and shadow, big new lips, really quite frightful. Which is why Greta probably didn't show it again. Did you notice that Greta put herself always in the best light and made poor Beth be filmed in the most terrible shadows? Greta must have had a reason for that......IMO!

[ortiga]

x-rated clothing? OMG she wore a bra and a dark lacy top in a climate that beth described as hotter than hell. I have no doubt that the puritanical society in the US would have covered the boobs so that the virginal eyes of all the youngsters wouldn't be exposed to such a horror. After all watching Bay Watch is educational.

Anita defended her family who aren't criminals. Seems you are missing large parts of this case. A judge has decided that there isn't any evidence that a crime has taken place in the disappearance of Natalee.

To continue to promote this lie is nothing but hate mongering. I know a site where your opinion is gladly accepted.

I will never forget the way, with every TV appearance, Beth's exposed cleavage seemed to increase. It was highlighted by the placement of those little microphones that they wear on those programs.

IMO

[HiLife]

I will never forget the way, with every TV appearance, Beth's exposed cleavage seemed to increase. It was highlighted by the placement of those little microphones that they wear on those programs.

IMO

As a woman, I don't tend to "notice" or comment on "cleavage." :shrug: ;)

[Grandad]

I will never forget the way, with every TV appearance, Beth's exposed cleavage seemed to increase. It was highlighted by the placement of those little microphones that they wear on those programs.

IMO

How do you think the governor of Alabama must have felt when forty something year old Beth showed up for his press conference wearing hip huggers?

[Grandad]

As a woman, I don't tend to "notice" or comment on "cleavage." :shrug: ;)

And you only notice the "tacky" outfits only some women wear?

[ortiga]

How do you think the governor of Alabama must have felt when forty something year old Beth showed up for his press conference wearing hip huggers?


Wasn't that the day when Beth was given the entire contents of the "love bowl" when she was the only mother of a missing adult there, and the parents of the missing Alabama children got zip?

[Grandad]

Wasn't that the day when Beth was given the entire contents of the "love bowl" when she was the only mother of a missing adult there, and the parents of the missing Alabama children got zip?

I don't remember if that was the love bowl day or not, but I do remember there was a picture of her taken the day before with Joe Mammana in which she was wearing the same outfit that she wore to the press conference.

[ortiga]

I don't remember if that was the love bowl day or not, but I do remember there was a picture of her taken the day before with Joe Mammana in which she was wearing the same outfit that she wore to the press conference.

Yep, I remember that. Hmmmm....

[Chocoholic]

As a woman, I don't tend to "notice" or comment on "cleavage." :shrug: ;)

I do, it's tacky and hardly professional, though much the style with teens these days.

BTW would you say that the lacy top that Anita wore over her bra was is as bad a taste as for beth not to bathe for 4 or 5 days on that "hotter than hell" island?

Before anybody makes any comments about wiping sweat from anybody I think we might want to know if HI charged for damages after they had to replace everything in beth's room due to BO stench.

[Luke Davis]

A man, who said he was calling from Nicaragua, contacted Holloway telling him he knew the whereabouts of his daughter, 18-year old Natalee Holloway, who has been missing since March 25, 2005 during a senior trip to Aruba. After talking with the man who would not give his name or phone number, Dave Holloway has all but written off the "source" as bogus.

Meridian Star (http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_008001043.html)

[ortiga]

Meridian Star (http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_008001043.html)


Luke have you heard anything about the suit?

[fairmaiden]

Meridian Star (http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_008001043.html)

Good Morning, Luke ....

While I may not give any credence to this man who called Dave, I firmly believe this case suffered from tunnel vision. There was focus put on three suspects in particular, by both the family and authorities, to the exclusion of other scenarios.

We have a Judge confirming there is no evidence/indication of any violent crime. I have a question for those who feel this Judge is covering something up, because, according to them, he is a friend of Paulus .... he doesn't seem to find any indication of a crime committed by the Kalpoe Brothers either. Wouldn't it be a solution to charge the Kalpoe Bros. with some crime .... IF there was ANY intention of covering this up?? How can anyone think Aruba enjoys being focused on by NOT solving a "crime", if there was one ??

I am absolutely convinced .... IF there was something indicating OTHER than Joran et al being responsible .... some wouldn't believe it anyway.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Luke have you heard anything about the suit?No. I have always had the feeling it would go away quietly. Now, that the case is cold, there may be little coverage. Dr. Phil and the others could give the Kalpoes 10 million dollars to go away. The Kalpoes would agree not to talk about it. The public would never know. Anyone searching the records would find a sealed, closed, case.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

Good Morning, Luke ....

While I may not give any credence to this man who called Dave, I firmly believe this case suffered from tunnel vision. There was focus put on three suspects in particular, by both the family and authorities, to the exclusion of other scenarios.

We have a Judge confirming there is no evidence/indication of any violent crime. I have a question for those who feel this Judge is covering something up, because, according to them, he is a friend of Paulus .... he doesn't seem to find any indication of a crime committed by the Kalpoe Brothers either. Wouldn't it be a solution to charge the Kalpoe Bros. with some crime .... IF there was ANY intention of covering this up?? How can anyone think Aruba enjoys being focused on by NOT solving a "crime", if there was one ??

I am absolutely convinced .... IF there was something indicating OTHER than Joran et al being responsible .... some wouldn't believe it anyway.

JMO

I agree fairmaiden. I still hope the file will become public and we will learn of all the tips.

[Grandad]

I agree fairmaiden. I still hope the file will become public and we will learn of all the tips.


I doubt the entire file will ever be made public. It certainly wouldn't be anywhere in the U.S.

There are too many privacy issues involved, plus in this case, who would translate it?

[Chocoholic]

I doubt the entire file will ever be made public. It certainly wouldn't be anywhere in the U.S.

There are too many privacy issues involved, plus in this case, who would translate it?

Besides the case is considered cold but not closed. Making the entire file open to the public would be detrimental to any investigation.

[Luke Davis]

Beth and Matt will be on Oprah on Wednesday, Jan 17th.

This from a tv promo.