Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 6)

[SaraSidle]

Well, it's well known he said a FRIEND threw her in the ocean. However, THAT isn't believed either. According to those who have had a certain mindset since the beginning .... just KNOW it was Paulus who threw her in the ocean.

This is what I mean Sara .... as far as I know, there is not one piece of evidence pointing to Paulus throwing Natalee in the ocean. Have I missed it ??

JMO

I understand but there is no evidence it was Paulus who did it. My point Joran said he had someone do it. This is pretty serious for a lie. IMO

[HiLife]

Joran said he was not interested in Natalee until she asked him to suck jello from her belly button while she was laying on the bar.

Actually I would say that Joran let his guard down by agreeing to the jello shot.

IMO

Good morning, ortiga ....

I have changed my mind somewhat about this case, but what you say is the absolute truth. People have HAD certain theories from very early in this case. Even with Joran's "confession" ((which people allude to as PROVING what he did)), certain parts of that "confession" didn't fit the preconceived thought about what happened here. So .... those parts of the "confession" are just not true !!

I agree .... when someone is trying to make a point, and backs it up with what Joran "said" at any given time, lacks a certain credibility.

JMO

:biggrin: Does this apply to Ortiga's post and point, too? lolololol!! No credibility? After all, she is quoting what "JORAN SAID...." Bwahahahaha!

jmo

[HiLife]

I do not see how someone could make up a lie about throwing someone in the ocean alive or dead. I know Joran lies but there has to be a limit.
Joran is evil - and that goes with either scenario - whether he was telling the truth or not.

jmo

[HiLife]

Is this what you mean by "patchwork quilt of his statements"? You believe him when he is negative towards Natalee, you don't believe him when he is negative towards himself. You are so very transparent.

imo

Good catch, NN! Pick and choose, no consistency. Well, no, the consistency is the "picking" statements against Natalee to be deemed as "true."

jmo

[No Nic]

Joran is evil - and that goes with either scenario - whether he was telling the truth or not.

jmo

Evil, black hearted, immoral, no conscience, inhumane, POS..........so many words that fit....I cannot choose just one, nor do I have time to list them all.

imo

[fairmaiden]

:biggrin: Does this apply to Ortiga's post and point, too? lolololol!! No credibility? After all, she is quoting what "JORAN SAID...." Bwahahahaha!

jmo

Goodness, HiLife .... You woke me up !!!!

I feel it applies to anyone who uses Joran's testimony about anything, as gospel.

You know .... it's funny, HiLife .... Everyone does this, I believe, regardless of WHAT anyone believes in this case. Joran's words are used as PROOF of certain things, when it's quite obvious he lies. BUT .... if they prove what any one of us THINKS about certain things, all of us will do it. Not only with Joran .... but with anyone connected with this case. I've seen it lately when it comes to Dompig, and things that HE stated. Those things are pointed out often, even though it was established by so many that Dompig had little if ANY credibility. I think it's a part of human nature.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Incidentally, since I am unable to edit my posts for whatever reason .... as I tried to explain in my response to Sara .... I'm not accusing any PERSON of lacking credibility .... I'm talking about certain statements they might make.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Good catch, NN! Pick and choose, no consistency. Well, no, the consistency is the "picking" statements against Natalee to be deemed as "true."

jmo

As I said, HiLife .... I think the "picking and choosing" applies to all of us. NOT just the ones you perceive to be on a certain "side".

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Good Morning, Luke .... Anyone who is familiar with this case at all, would have to admit Natalee made a bad choice getting into a car with 3 "strangers". When one treads there though .... one is at risk for being accused of "blaming Natalee" for what happened to her, which is just ridiculous, IMO.

You were correct in what you said in a previous post of yours .... I can remember, when I was VERY young, being told by my parents .... "Don't ever go anywhere with someone you don't know".

JMO

Good Morning, fairmaiden. Yes, it rarely surprises me what a suspect does. I find it much more interesting to study what makes a victim a victim. The reasoning is, we can do some things to keep from being victims, there is little we can do to change unknown strangers.

Studying the facts doesn't necessarily mean blaming the victim.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

I do not see how someone could make up a lie about throwing someone in the ocean alive or dead. I know Joran lies but there has to be a limit.To me, what Joran said, isn't that important, how he said it is. Perhaps he was trying to look tough for his new "friend" but he came off as uncaring and cruel. It allowed me to see behind his mask, at what I now believe is the true Joran. Not the words but the attitude.

He lies. For a reason. For no reason. He uses people without caring. He only thinks of himself. I am convinced he killed Natalee or at least did nothing to help. Like Joran, I wouldn't lose any sleep over sending him to prison for a long time. He is beyond a reasonable doubt, guilty of great cruelty to Natalee and her family, I call it murder.

IMO

[No Nic]

As I said, HiLife .... I think the "picking and choosing" applies to all of us. NOT just the ones you perceive to be on a certain "side".

JMO

But some can ONLY accuse others of making a "patchwork quilt of his statements", then use "Joran said" as verification of what was in their post. That is what started the whole "picking and choosing" conversation. Lay it on Ortiga (she was the OP), YOU (once again) only comment on posts from those on a certain "side".

imo

[No Nic]

To me, what Joran said, isn't that important, how he said it is. Perhaps he was trying to look tough for his new "friend" but he came off as uncaring and cruel. It allowed me to see behind his mask, at what I now believe is the true Joran. Not the words but the attitude.

He lies. For a reason. For no reason. He uses people without caring. He only thinks of himself. I am convinced he killed Natalee or at least did nothing to help. Like Joran, I wouldn't lose any sleep over sending him to prison for a long time. He is beyond a reasonable doubt, guilty of great cruelty to Natalee and her family, I call it murder.

IMO

WOW :beer: WOW :beer:

I couldn't agree with you more !!! Great post !!!!!

[SaraSidle]

WOW :beer: WOW :beer:

I couldn't agree with you more !!! Great post !!!!!

No Nic I believe all of Luke's posts..He is very informed. I still cannot believe anyone (Joran) would like about having someone thrown in the ocean. That is such a bad act why would someone lie about it?

[Grandad]

Please get over blaming Beth and Natalee. Joran already stated he had her thrown in the ocean not knowing if she was dead or alive. Do you understand what that means at all?

Of course I know what it means. It means some dumb kid was trying to impress some shady character.

Does it make him a rapist? No,

Does it make him a murderer? No.

It makes him an idiot. Being an idiot is not a crime.

Like it or not, Beth sent an inexperienced, naive teen into a situation she wasn't equipped to handle, and the teen made choices which contrubuted to what happened to her, although we don't know exactly what that was.

[No Nic]

No Nic I believe all of Luke's posts..He is very informed. I still cannot believe anyone (Joran) would like about having someone thrown in the ocean. That is such a bad act why would someone lie about it?


Joran didn't lie about that, Sara, Joran threw Natalee into the ocean without knowing if she was dead or alive. He is evil.

imo

[Grandad]

I agree with you on this sentence. If Natalee had not been drinking at CnCs with many, many other young people, she never would have had the extreme displeasure of meeting that POS, joran van der sloot, if her guard had not been down, because of drinking, she never would have left with the 3 POSs, JK2, and would be alive and well in the US today.

What Natalee was doing on the night joran van der sloot *disappeared* her, was not against the law, was no different than what thousands of young (and old) people do any day of the week. What joran did to her, imo, was wrong, immorale and illegal (anywhere but Aruba, that is).


What Natalee did is clearly documented.

What Joran did is a matter of speculation.

[SaraSidle]

Joran didn't lie about that, Sara, Joran threw Natalee into the ocean without knowing if she was dead or alive. He is evil.

imo

I certainly understand that No Nic. What I do not understand is why people thing he is innocent. I mean even under the influence you would not admit to the ocean theme without being guilty. Nobody is that stupid.

[No Nic]

I certainly understand that No Nic. What I do not understand is why people thing he is innocent. I mean even under the influence you would not admit to the ocean theme without being guilty. Nobody is that stupid.


After joran's confession many, many of his most vocal supporters changed their minds, they could see from not just his words, but his tone and mannerism (actually imitating Natalee's death, the sick POS). Disturbingly, there are still a few that will never see the truth nor will they ever admit they were wrong, especially not after the vile posts they have made in the past.

imo

[SaraSidle]

After joran's confession many, many of his most vocal supporters changed their minds, they could see from not just his words, but his tone and mannerism (actually imitating Natalee's death, the sick POS). Disturbingly, there are still a few that will never see the truth nor will they ever admit they were wrong, especially not after the vile posts they have made in the past.

imo

I agree No Nic and I do not think they will ever change their minds. I also am afraid that Natalee will not get justice. So all of his supporters will always think they are right. Too bad they are on that track but I guess there is nothing we really can do.

[HiLife]

To me, what Joran said, isn't that important, how he said it is. Perhaps he was trying to look tough for his new "friend" but he came off as uncaring and cruel. It allowed me to see behind his mask, at what I now believe is the true Joran. Not the words but the attitude.

He lies. For a reason. For no reason. He uses people without caring. He only thinks of himself. I am convinced he killed Natalee or at least did nothing to help. Like Joran, I wouldn't lose any sleep over sending him to prison for a long time. He is beyond a reasonable doubt, guilty of great cruelty to Natalee and her family, I call it murder.

IMO

WOW, Luke, this is a noteworthy post! I believe this is the FIRST time you have ever come out so strongly. :beer:

[SaraSidle]

WOW, Luke, this is a noteworthy post! I believe this is the FIRST time you have ever come out so strongly. :beer:

Yes It is a wonderful post from someone I respect and probably knows more than most posters.

[HiLife]

Yes It is a wonderful post from someone I respect and probably knows more than most posters.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Sara!

[Heyes]

How can you people not understand there is no evidence Joran did anything to Natalee?

You people?

Your statement only holds true if you live on planet vandersloot. It's a magical place where joran is a delicious sporter who loves his mommy and reads the bible, never drinks alcohol or does drugs and treats all woman with respect.

Then there's the real world.........

Hey, where are your hero's *the vandersloots*, these days???? I must say it has been nice not seeing anita and her big..... um, mouth blaming others for her sons evil behavior.
Still in hiding I bet.
lol
imo

[Heyes]

To me, what Joran said, isn't that important, how he said it is. Perhaps he was trying to look tough for his new "friend" but he came off as uncaring and cruel. It allowed me to see behind his mask, at what I now believe is the true Joran. Not the words but the attitude.

He lies. For a reason. For no reason. He uses people without caring. He only thinks of himself. I am convinced he killed Natalee or at least did nothing to help. Like Joran, I wouldn't lose any sleep over sending him to prison for a long time. He is beyond a reasonable doubt, guilty of great cruelty to Natalee and her family, I call it murder.

IMO

You go Luke!!!!!!!!!!
No matter how ya slice it, joran is murderer, more than likely he also drugged and raped her. Why else would one send someone to certain death not knowing if they were possibly alive or not. He in his evil mind had to disappear his victim. That pesky evidence.
I can sure see why joran left the drugging and raping out of his story to Patrick. He wouldn't want a big tough criminal type to think he actually had to drug girls to get any action.
imo

[longrider]

What's with the silly disclamer??

[SaraSidle]

What's with the silly disclamer??


What in the world are you talking about?

[No Nic]

What in the world are you talking about?


lol @ looooongrider

[longrider]

Are we having trouble expressing ourselves, no nic?

[No Nic]

Are we having trouble expressing ourselves, no nic?

"we"? Not me, maybe you. :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

"we"? Not me, maybe you. :shrug:

no kidding...............IMO

[Heyes]

Are we having trouble expressing ourselves, no nic?

Nice to meet ya longrider.
I just want to know one thing,
what point are ya trying to make here?
Is there something you'ld like to share regarding the Natalee Holloway case?

[Mishell1383]

I know you all missed me terribly! :)

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

[FDInLaw]

Did this forum have a condolence thread???

[SaraSidle]

I do not remember FDI. Nice to see you back Mishell

[Luke Davis]

I know you all missed me terribly! :)

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

:seeya: WOOHOO!

[Luke Davis]

Did this forum have a condolence thread???
I do not believe so. I think from the beginning many held out hope that it would not be needed. Just as I believe there has not been a memorial service.

IMO

[FDInLaw]

I do not believe so. I think from the beginning many held out hope that it would not be needed. Just as I believe there has not been a memorial service.

IMOForgive my wording. . . I meant a "rose and prayer" thread. You're right, love always hopes. :rose:

[SaraSidle]

that is so true FDInLaw thank you

[Heyes]

I know you all missed me terribly! :)

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!


MISHELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good to hear from you. Hows life treating you?
What did you think of jorans murder confession? And the fact that aruba still can't manage to prosecute him? Have you ever seen such BS?

oh imo lol

[Luke Davis]

blog (http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/civil-suit-against-joran-andor-parents-starts/)



Patrick discusses civil suit.

[SaraSidle]

blog (http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/civil-suit-against-joran-andor-parents-starts/)



Patrick discusses civil suit.

A great link again thank you Luke

[Mishell1383]

MISHELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good to hear from you. Hows life treating you?
What did you think of jorans murder confession? And the fact that aruba still can't manage to prosecute him? Have you ever seen such BS?

oh imo lol
Life's great. thanks. You?

I think it was bound to come out. He was too proud and had to gloat about. plus the kid is an absolute moron. I actually do believe he has not been prosescuted because he has "ties" and Aruba would have to admit they botched a major investigation. IMO. It's to bad.

[Heyes]

Life's great. thanks. You?

I think it was bound to come out. He was too proud and had to gloat about. plus the kid is an absolute moron. I actually do believe he has not been prosescuted because he has "ties" and Aruba would have to admit they botched a major investigation. IMO. It's to bad.
Everythings pretty good on my end. Thanks for asking.
This punk is beyond a moron. I don't even think there's an adjective that describes monsters like him. I believed Beth from the get go on his demeaner that fateful night. I never doubted her. The thing that gets me is, it turns out after watching the tape with Patrick that he's worse than my imagination allowed. What a horror! His mother anita, should be shamed where ever she goes after trying to convince the world that that poor excuse of a human being is the perfect son. She actually tried to manipulate people to thinking that Natalee's family should be investigated! She is almost worse than her spawn. That family should never have peace. They should feel this scorn and disgust the rest of their miserable lives. I truly believe that the picture of Natalee in the casino shows paulus talking to her. I believe paulus was involved from the beginning. He should be locked up right next to his murdering son. I also don't buy into this garbage that the kalpoes are innocent in all this. They are not! imo

[Heyes]

blog (http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/civil-suit-against-joran-andor-parents-starts/)



Patrick discusses civil suit.

Thanks luke!
I bet anita is flipping a cookie right about now~
tee hee

[Luke Davis]

Thanks luke!
I bet anita is flipping a cookie right about now~
tee heeHere is another blog, it answers some questions I have had but then, raises more questions, if true.


IMO



blog (http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html)

I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.

[SaraSidle]

Here is another blog, it answers some questions I have had but then, raises more questions, if true.


IMO



blog (http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html)

I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.

Thanks again Luke!!!!!!!!

[Heyes]

Here is another blog, it answers some questions I have had but then, raises more questions, if true.


IMO



blog (http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html)

I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.

The comments are interesting.
Thanks again!
:seeya:

[Luke Davis]

The comments are interesting.
Thanks again!
:seeya:I've learned things in the comments I hadn't heard in three years of following the case. Of course, blogs are pretty much taken on faith.

IMO

[cassidy]

I've learned things in the comments I hadn't heard in three years of following the case. Of course, blogs are pretty much taken on faith.

IMO

Thanks Luke, that is interesting. Yet another version of what happened while on Aruba? I don't recall this girl's name as being noted as a roommate. Does anyone else? It also appears that Natalee's stepmom is trying to get in touch with her?

[Luke Davis]

Thanks Luke, that is interesting. Yet another version of what happened while on Aruba? I don't recall this girl's name as being noted as a roommate. Does anyone else? It also appears that Natalee's stepmom is trying to get in touch with her?I remember rumors that the women were swapping rooms and Natalee wasn't always in her assigned room. That's one reason her roommates may have not been concerned when Natalee didn't return to her room. I believe it was said, they thought she was on the beach or in another room.

I assumed Natalee's family kept in touch with all the MBers on the trip but I guess not.

I remember Beth showing Greta the room on tv. I thought it was said there was only one door. Then we heard about a sliding door and now a door to another room. This sounds very believeable and makes sense.

It's also a good example of something ALE knows and we didn't (at least me).


IMO

[fairmaiden]

I remember rumors that the women were swapping rooms and Natalee wasn't always in her assigned room. That's one reason her roommates may have not been concerned when Natalee didn't return to her room. I believe it was said, they thought she was on the beach or in another room.

I assumed Natalee's family kept in touch with all the MBers on the trip but I guess not.

I remember Beth showing Greta the room on tv. I thought it was said there was only one door. Then we heard about a sliding door and now a door to another room. This sounds very believeable and makes sense.

It's also a good example of something ALE knows and we didn't (at least me).


IMO

Hey Luke .... :seeya:

I would assume there could be a lot ALE knows that we ((all of us)) don't. :shrug:

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Thanks Luke, that is interesting. Yet another version of what happened while on Aruba? I don't recall this girl's name as being noted as a roommate. Does anyone else? It also appears that Natalee's stepmom is trying to get in touch with her?
It has been removed!
:shrug: Perhaps that is what Robin wanted.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

Reportedly Joran and family are in South Korea.


IMO

[Heyes]

Reportedly Joran and family are in South Korea.


IMO

South Korea? lol
I hope he tries to buy his drugs there!
lmao!
That monster is going to stick out like a sore thumb.
I feel sorry for the people there. They better hide their young woman, or one may come up missing.
imo

[Luke Davis]

AD (http://www.secure-at.com/blog/?p=48)

The way things go in Aruba who knows what will happen. Two points; one a civilian was able to get in 15 minutes what authorities couldn’t get in three years: two the value of hidden cameras to get the most telling stories-a picture is worth a thousand words.

[fairmaiden]

An interesting read ....
http://tv.msn.com/tv/celebrityfeature/dr-phil/?GT1=BUZZ3

There's mention of the Holloway case in the section about all the suits filed against him ....

I wonder if he'll ever realize he is just an "entertainer" (( and even THAT'S a distinction he doesn't deserve .... IMO )) ??

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Joran has dropped out of the USA news but is being covered in the Netherlands. He is either in a mental hospital, Korea or Thailand. :shrug:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranThailand.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/DenDOLDER.jpg?t=1209035041

:shrug:

[Heyes]

I saw that Luke...Thanks
It seems our Dutch brothers and sisters are all over this. They are not giving him a break over there!
I'm really starting to like the Dutch! Once they realized what this punk was all about they haven't given him or his family a minute of peace! whoooo hooo, Go Dutch! lol
If anyone thought we were on his butt they should see what his fellow country men are talking about! WHOA! He has to be the most hated man/boy ever to walk the planet.
No news regarding his disgusting parents so I imagine they are in hiding.
imo

[Luke Davis]

They can't be served if they can not be found. Reportedly no summons have been served.

[fairmaiden]

I saw that Luke...Thanks
It seems our Dutch brothers and sisters are all over this. They are not giving him a break over there!
I'm really starting to like the Dutch! Once they realized what this punk was all about they haven't given him or his family a minute of peace! whoooo hooo, Go Dutch! lol
If anyone thought we were on his butt they should see what his fellow country men are talking about! WHOA! He has to be the most hated man/boy ever to walk the planet.
No news regarding his disgusting parents so I imagine they are in hiding.
imo

Good Morning, Heyes and Luke ....

Unless I'm mistaken, this case is no longer covered on the CTV ((InSession)) messageboard. I check periodically to see if there's anything new. Everything just seems to have come to a standstill. It's a pity we will never know what REALLY happened that night to Natalee, despite what Joran "confessed" to. I certainly don't believe his "confession" was "the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing BUT the truth" ....

JMO

[fairmaiden]

I need to correct myself. This case is still covered on the CTV board. It was really early when I checked .... perhaps I wasn't fully awake .... ;)

[Luke Davis]

I need to correct myself. This case is still covered on the CTV board. It was really early when I checked .... perhaps I wasn't fully awake .... ;)Good morning Fairmaiden. I was just at CTV and it is locked. Seems on again off again.

There is very little coverage in the American press and mostly rumors from the Dutch. Joran and family have been reported in several places but is also rumored to be in a mental facility. Where ever he is, he hasn't been served with papers for the most recent lawsuit.

Patrick has a blog and has responded to many comments but no real news.

IMO

[One2Snoop]

:seeya: Thanks for the info fairmaiden and Luke. I still read here just about everyday to catch up on the latest and I know Luke is really good about posting the news when it crops up. Thanks for keeping CL updated Luke. :beer:

[Luke Davis]

Kalpoes vs Dr Phil
04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2); {Second} Motion to Dismiss


This was announced long ago, don't know if it is still reliable. IMO.

[ortiga]

Howdy everyone!!

what's Gnu?

Where in the world is joran?

Where in the world is BHT?

[Luke Davis]

Howdy everyone!!

what's Gnu?

Where in the world is joran?

Where in the world is BHT?Welcome back Ortiga.

I see the producer from the islands has started investigating in the USA for her documentary. Yesterday, she interviewed Dave. She asked many questions that I wanted asked unlike Greta and Nancy. Of course, I doubt her investigation will change anything.

Renee Gielen Interviews Dave Holloway April 30, 2008


IMO

[Luke Davis]

05/06/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Case Management (2) MTN TO DISMISS3) MTN FOR SUBST. OF PERS. REP.FOR DECEASED DEFT4) MTN FOR STAY OF ORDER5) CASE MANAGEMENT CONF6) OSC RE FTA ON 12/7/07)

IMO

[fairmaiden]

Hey guys .... :seeya:

Has anyone else had the problem of not being able to access the board ?? I haven't been able to get in here for more than a week.

[fairmaiden]

Howdy everyone!!

what's Gnu?

Where in the world is joran?

Where in the world is BHT?

Hey ortiga .... :seeya: m LTNS;)

I haven't been able to get in here. I've heard absolutely nothing for a while now.

JMO

[SaraSidle]

Hey ortiga .... :seeya: m LTNS;)

I haven't been able to get in here. I've heard absolutely nothing for a while now.

JMO

I have never had a problem.

[One2Snoop]

Hey guys .... :seeya:

Has anyone else had the problem of not being able to access the board ?? I haven't been able to get in here for more than a week.

No problems here. Have you tried cleaning your cache/cookies thru Tools/Internet Options/Browsing History?

[fairmaiden]

No problems here. Have you tried cleaning your cache/cookies thru Tools/Internet Options/Browsing History?

Hey One2Snoop .... Yes .... I do that religiously. I have it listed in my favorites, but even when I would go through the website, I couldn't get in.

Just one of the mysteries of life .... ;) :shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Hey One2Snoop .... Yes .... I do that religiously. I have it listed in my favorites, but even when I would go through the website, I couldn't get in.

Just one of the mysteries of life .... ;) :shrug:Hi Fairmaiden. That has happened to me many times. At first I thought I was banned. Sometimes rebooting, other times deleting cookies, changing password and one time I reinstalled my software. Don't know what causes it.

I emailed CL techs and they said they were having problems but nothing that should cause this (that was long ago).

[FDInLaw]

Last week I was unable to get on CL and clearing my cookies & Internet history did the trick. :seeya:

[fairmaiden]

Thanks Luke, and FDInLaw .... I kept getting this error message (HTT4), I believe it was, or something like that. When reading the explanation of the error message, it said there was something wrong with the web page.

By the way, I don't mean just accessing the Natalee Holloway board, but the entire CL Messageboards.

[Luke Davis]

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss3) Case Management Conference)



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10/17/2007 05/14/2007

05/07/2008 Summons Filed (ON FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (TO PLTFS' OPPO. TO ITS MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (to Plaintiffs' Opposition to Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss and Request for Terminating Sanctions for Plaintiffs' Willful Failure to Comply with Court Orders)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/02/2008 Stipulation (to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

04/02/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

03/20/2008 Points and Authorities (POINTS AUTH.IN OPP TO DEFTS SECOND MOTION TO DISMISSED )
Filed by Attorney for Deft/Respnt

02/22/2008 First Amended Complaint
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

02/21/2008 Notice of Continuance (OF HEARING ON SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES INC'S MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. OLD: 2/29/08 NEW: 4-29-08 )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

02/15/2008 Reply/Response (TO DEFTS' MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

02/14/2008 Motion to Dismiss (AND REQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS, ETC. SET: 4-3-08)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

02/08/2008 Declaration (OF SATISH KALPOE RE DISCOVERY COMPLIANCE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

02/08/2008 Declaration (OF DEEPAK KALPOE RE DISCOVERY COMPLIANCE )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

02/08/2008 Declaration (OF WM. J. CREMER )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

02/07/2008 Notice of Ruling (AND NOTICE OF CONTINUED CMC )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

02/05/2008 Order (Granting Application of Joshua D. Yeager to Appear as Counsel Pro Hac Vice for Plaintiffs )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/26/2007 Miscellaneous-Other (SECOND SUPPLEMENT TO DEFTS' MOTION TO DISMISS, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/18/2007 Notice (AND APPLICAITON BY OUT-OF-STATE COUNSEL JOSHUA D. YEAGER TO ASSOCIATE IN A PARTICULAR CASE, ETC. SET: 2-5-08)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/12/2007 Declaration (OF EDMUND J. SIEGERT RE OSC AS TO FAILURE OF COUNSEL FOR PLTF TO APPEAR ON 12/7/07 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

12/11/2007 Notice of Ruling (AN NOTICE OF OSC RE: FAILURE TO APPEAR )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/30/2007 Reply/Response (TO PLTFS' OPPO. TO DEFTS' MOTION TO DISMISS, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/26/2007 Reply/Response (IN OPPO. TO PLTFS' MOTION FOR STAY, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/26/2007 Reply/Response (IN OPPO. TO DEFTS' MOTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

11/19/2007 Motion to Compel (SATISH KALPOE TO PROVIDE FURTHER INTERROGATORY RESPONSES, ETC. SET: 2-29-08)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/19/2007 Miscellaneous-Other (SEPARATE STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF MOTINO TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/19/2007 Motion to Compel (PLTF DEEPAK KALPOE TO PROVIDE FURTHER INTERROGATORY RESPONSES, ETC. SET: 2-29-08)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/19/2007 Miscellaneous-Other (SEPARATE STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

11/06/2007 Supplement (SUPPLEMENT TO DEFTS' MOTION TO DISMISS PLTFS' CLAIMS, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2007 Notice of Ruling (RE" PLTFS' EX PARTE APPLICATION )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

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TOP 10/17/2007 05/14/2007

10/17/2007 Ex-Parte Application (for Order Granting Stay of Discovery and Other Proceedings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/17/2007 Declaration (of Edmund J. Siegert in Support of Plaintiffs' Motion to Stay Discovery and Other Proceedings )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/16/2007 Reply/Response (IN OPPO. TO PLTFS' EX PARTE APPLICATION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/09/2007 Notice of Motion (AND MOTION FOR SUBSTITUTION OF PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR DECEASED DEFT.; ETC. SET: 12-07-07)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/04/2007 Notice of Motion (TO DISMISS PLT'S CLAIMS FOR WILLFUL FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDER; REQ FOR TERMINATING AND OTHER SANCTIONS FOR MISUSE OF DISCOVERY PROCESS; MEMO P&A'S )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/04/2007 Notice of Motion (AND MOTION FOR STAY OR ORDER; SET: 12-07-07)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/04/2007 Declaration (OF EDMUND J. SIEGERT IN SUPPORT OF PLTFS' MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner




https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civil/

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for the info Luke. Quick question -

Isn't Jamie Skeeters deceased? Why is he still listed in the lawsuit?

SKEETERS JAMIE - Defendant/Respondent

[SaraSidle]

Nice post Luke thank you

[FDInLaw]

Nice post Luke thank youHe's a keeper! :)

[SaraSidle]

He's a keeper! :)

He certainly is.:D

[Luke Davis]

Thanks for the info Luke. Quick question -

Isn't Jamie Skeeters deceased? Why is he still listed in the lawsuit?

SKEETERS JAMIE - Defendant/RespondentHis wife asked to be removed from the case but it was denied. His estate is being sued. IMO

[One2Snoop]

His wife asked to be removed from the case but it was denied. His estate is being sued. IMO

That really stinks for his wife but I guess they have every right to sue his estate.
Thanks for the info. :patriot:

[Mishell1383]

LONG LIVE NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!!! :seeya:

[Luke Davis]

Infiltration was not possible due to demands of Van der Eem
ORANJESTAD – The efforts of a civil infiltrator as well as an undercover agent was legally not possible due to ‘the conditions’ that Patrick van der Eem has set late last year for his cooperation, says the Dutch minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin as a result of questions of the Standing Parliament Committee Justice about the Dutch interference in the Holloway-case.

The minister indicated though that, as a result of the decision of the regional police Gelderland-Midden to pass the information from the conversation with Van der Eem to the corps of Rotterdam-Rijmond only and not to the Aruban authorities, ‘all special cases’ will from now on be brought up in the regular deliberation of the Public Prosecutor with the chief of police.

continues

http://amigoe.com/english/

[SaraSidle]

Infiltration was not possible due to demands of Van der Eem
ORANJESTAD – The efforts of a civil infiltrator as well as an undercover agent was legally not possible due to ‘the conditions’ that Patrick van der Eem has set late last year for his cooperation, says the Dutch minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin as a result of questions of the Standing Parliament Committee Justice about the Dutch interference in the Holloway-case.

The minister indicated though that, as a result of the decision of the regional police Gelderland-Midden to pass the information from the conversation with Van der Eem to the corps of Rotterdam-Rijmond only and not to the Aruban authorities, ‘all special cases’ will from now on be brought up in the regular deliberation of the Public Prosecutor with the chief of police.

continues

http://amigoe.com/english/


Thanks for the posting and link Luke

[SaraSidle]

Luke have you heard if anything that has come of the investigation that college was doing on Natalee's disapperance?

[Luke Davis]

Luke have you heard if anything that has come of the investigation that college was doing on Natalee's disapperance?No, not a word. This case is old news and I don't see the possibility of a break through.

:hat:

[SaraSidle]

No, not a word. This case is old news and I don't see the possibility of a break through.

:hat:

Ok thanks.

[Luke Davis]

translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42548.php)

Amigor (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42548.php)

The telefoonuitdraai Gielen sees as new evidence that Beth has lied about the exact time of arrival in Aruba. Tot nu toe verklaarde de moeder van Natalee – ook in haar boek ‘Loving Natalee’ dat eind vorig jaar verscheen – dat ze ‘rond elf uur ’s avonds’ aankwam. So far, the mother of Natalee - even in her book "Loving Natalee 'that appeared late last year - that they' around eleven o'clock at night 'arrived. In januari zei een ex-l Alberto G., een ex-medewerker van de luchthaven, al voor de camera’s van Gielen dat het privé-vliegtuig van Beth om kwart voor acht landde. In January said an ex-l Alberto G., an ex-employee of the airport, even before the cameras of Gielen that the private plane of Beth landed at a quarter to eight. Hij trok zijn eerdere verklaring in, naar eigen zeggen omdat hij zich had vergist. He withdrew his earlier statement, indicated it because he had mistaken. Dit nadat de Amerikanen Dan Young en Kelly Castillo, die zich voor detectives uitgeven, tijdens een bezoek aan Aruba, een computeruitdraai lieten zien waaruit blijkt dat Beth eerder arriveerde. This after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo, who detectives to spend, during a visit to Aruba, a computer showed showing that Beth arrived earlier. G. bevestigde de authenticiteit van deze uitdraai. confirmed the authenticity of this printout.

[SaraSidle]

translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42548.php)

Amigor (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42548.php)

Very interesting.. Why would she lie about it?

[Luke Davis]

Very interesting.. Why would she lie about it?
I don't know, it really isn't shocking. She interviewed Dave and some others. Her show is June 2 (three year anniversary, more or less). Haven't heard if it will be shown in USA or what language it will be in. I'm guessing subtitles.


IMO

[SaraSidle]

I don't know, it really isn't shocking. She interviewed Dave and some others. Her show is June 2 (three year anniversary, more or less). Haven't heard if it will be shown in USA or what language it will be in. I'm guessing subtitles.


IMO


okay thanks Luke. Please let me know if you find out when for sure.

[Luke Davis]

Future Hearings

05/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss: CONTINUED TO 6-4-08 PURSUANT TO STIP & ORDER FILED ON 5-23-083) Case Management Conference)


05/23/2008 Stipulation (of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

05/23/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

Perhaps a settlement is near.
:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Perhaps a settlement is near.
:beer:


Good job Luke. I hope so but these things usually take sooo long. Please continue to update us. You have wonderful resources. IMO

[fairmaiden]

Perhaps a settlement is near.
:beer:

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

We can only hope .... ;)

You know .... it's surprising, at least to me, having followed this case for so long, it seems .... everything just seems to have "stopped". Having said that, I do realize this case falls into the category of "old news".

I suppose I'm not satisfied with what some think is a "resolution" in this case. Personally, I wonder if we'll ever find out exactly what happened that night. To date, I don't think we know that.

Hopefully there will be some settlement in this particular case in California.

Hope you're doing well, Luke.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

We can only hope .... ;)

You know .... it's surprising, at least to me, having followed this case for so long, it seems .... everything just seems to have "stopped". Having said that, I do realize this case falls into the category of "old news".

I suppose I'm not satisfied with what some think is a "resolution" in this case. Personally, I wonder if we'll ever find out exactly what happened that night. To date, I don't think we know that.

Hopefully there will be some settlement in this particular case in California.

Hope you're doing well, Luke.

JMO

Hi fairmaiden... Real or not, Beth has accepted Joran's confession it appears and Dave is quiet. Beth's book was printed in Dutch and I imagine her being on shows over there will help the sales.

There is supposed to be a documentary shown June 2 but haven't heard much about it. An interview with Dave and Natalee's phone records.

In a way no one is satisfied. No solution.

But it was a good experience chatting about it for three years!:hat:

[Luke Davis]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg

Shoe found at lighthouse (http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg

[No Nic]

Rest in peace, Natalee. My prayers to Dave and Beth, may you one day have answers any parent deserves.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Luke Davis]

May 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Documentary about tunnelvision in Holloway drama/soap

Report of Rene Roodheuvel

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Gielen has made a documentary in which the ‘other’ side is exposed, that of the Holloway family itself. A side that may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands. Monday, June 2, the documentary ready.

“So far everything has been focused on Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, who would have Natalee slightly affected. The family (of Natalee, red) or something else on the American side, we have never seen,” says the documentairemaakster.

The investigation by Justice has been unilaterally and that’s not the hook, find Gielen: “There are always two sides to an issue. If one side is not studied, you never get a good picture of the total of what happened could be . ” Before the missing may also much happened, she says.

Not to go home
“Natalee did not want to go home”, is the conviction of Gielen. They do not know why they do not want to go home. Mother Beth Twitty has never responded to its requests for her to speak about the case. The documentary must show that they already knew that Natalee would not go home for them was missing. The mother came much earlier than they ever Aruba has claimed. They brought posters along with a call to Natalee to contact us.

Gielen hopes that her documentary, in which strange circumstances in a row to be put, the door opens to a proper investigation. “There appears to be a link between all those elements and that makes it clear that something with Natalee on the hand. I hope that this will lead to new questions.”

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Hoofdverdachte Joran van der Sloot is not for her film and which is therefore not intended to him again ‘bullying’. Gielen also believes that he is not there something to do with it, except that he has been very stupid to lie about the case.

U.S. Opposition
One of the sources of the journalist is Prosecutor Gerald Dompig, who initially led the investigation, but which were abandoned. He says, inter alia, that he is opposed by the FBI and that the political relationship between the Netherlands and the U.S. became involved. “It touches almost the White House,” he says in the documentary. The stepfather of Natalee has said that he has contacts with the White House.

Gielen thinks that the enormous attention in the U.S. intended to lead to the attention of the things that were not outwards. For Dompig they cross the hand in the fire. Despite repeated requests, wanted the current investigation in Aruba not speak with her.

Gielen Netherlands is in talks with potential interested broadcasters. It is also intended to film in the United States on television. How and when Natalee, the unrevealed Time Lines on the Antilles and Aruba will be seen, it is still unknown.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/30/3-years-ago-tonight/#comments

[One2Snoop]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg

Shoe found at lighthouse (http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg

Was this discovery made just recently and are they saying these shoes belong to Joran? IIRC didn't Joran say he lost or left his shoes somewhere that night?


Apologies I didn't take the time to translate the article. Thanks.

[fairmaiden]

Hi Everyone .... If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Joran's sneaker said to be "Swiss Air"?? ((It's been so long, I'm not sure I remember that correctly)). Is there anything on that shoe which indicates the manufacturer ?? I'm not sure what it is that appears to be a logo on the shoe ....

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Hi Everyone .... If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Joran's sneaker said to be "Swiss Air"?? ((It's been so long, I'm not sure I remember that correctly)). Is there anything on that shoe which indicates the manufacturer ?? I'm not sure what it is that appears to be a logo on the shoe ....

JMO

LOL .... I'm quoting myself, also LAUGHING at myself .... lol .... "Swiss Air" ???? lol. Of course I meant "K-Swiss", and I can see that's what's on the heel of the shoe.

JMO

[FDInLaw]

LOL .... I'm quoting myself, also LAUGHING at myself .... lol .... "Swiss Air" ???? lol. Of course I meant "K-Swiss", and I can see that's what's on the heel of the shoe.

JMOSigmund would ask if you are secretly yearning for a European get-away lol! :)

[Luke Davis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

While I did find a minor error, this appears to be very current and complete. Some people put a lot of time into it. Well worth a look.

[No Nic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

While I did find a minor error, this appears to be very current and complete. Some people put a lot of time into it. Well worth a look.

Definitely has a "refro" slant (and everyone knows she has an AGENDA). IMO Wasn't this (at least partially) written by message board posters ?

[Luke Davis]

Definitely has a "refro" slant (and everyone knows she has an AGENDA). IMO Wasn't this (at least partially) written by message board posters ?Yes, many contributed and many read boards and some posted on them. At the very least, it is a good repository of old news articles, photos and videos.

[Luke Davis]

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)

Danielle Zayas, Antonio Wilson, Charna-Marie Dixon and Jennifer Gosdin will file monthly logs.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/art.2crime.club.jpg


The students -- Jennifer Gosdin, 27, Antonio Wilson, 26, Danielle Zayas, 24, and Charna-Marie Dixon, 19 -- will file monthly logs, which will be posted on CNN.com. They also will file several special reports as they go on field trips to take an independent look at crime scenes, talk to witnesses and learn specialized investigative techniques.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/book/overboordexcerpts.htm


New book out in Dutch. Some translations are being done.


MOO

(From 1/15/08 car ride conversation)

P: Where is that phone booth near the Hyatt… or near the Marriott?

J: Every hotel has one

P: Oh. In the hotel.

J: Each hotel has one.

P: Yeah, I know. Inside.

J: No, outside.

P: In the lobby?

J: No just outside. Near the swimming pool.

P: Okay.

J: They are everywhere….each hotel…it’s not normal how many of these phone booths are out there.

P: No, no, no. Everywhere, I know, okay.

(…)

P: But one thing I don’t understand.. Okay, she lies there and she’s dead, heh…. that friend… heh…I know this friend is your father. I know it, Joran.

J: No, no, no.

P: Why not? Why would somebody who picks you up tell you “You have to go to school”. After you said that to me, I knew it.

J: N.

[SaraSidle]

Luke thanks so much for the post. Is the whole interview in the book?

[Luke Davis]

Luke thanks so much for the post. Is the whole interview in the book?
I think it is just some promotional excerpts.

[Luke Davis]

time lines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDvB5OOd79s

[SaraSidle]

Thanks Luke. Any news from that college to the investigation?

[Luke Davis]

Thanks Luke. Any news from that college to the investigation?Nothing new.




Story Highlights
Detective: A scream in the night "may not be that significant"

To date, students have compiled complete timelines on two cold cases

Ten experts from Georgia and Alabama were involved in planning research

Students are encouraged to look at cold case asking, "Can I take this to trial?"


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/08/ccc.directors.log/

[SaraSidle]

Nothing new.




Story Highlights
Detective: A scream in the night "may not be that significant"

To date, students have compiled complete timelines on two cold cases

Ten experts from Georgia and Alabama were involved in planning research

Students are encouraged to look at cold case asking, "Can I take this to trial?"


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/08/ccc.directors.log/



Thanks Luke

[One2Snoop]

OK, so where are you long-time posters of this Natalee forum? I just read that Tim Miller is sending out another team to Aruba to follow up on another Natalee tip. Can anyone verify this for me?

It came in through one of the news updates on the Caylee Anthony case.

Thanks
:seeya:

[Luke Davis]

Thanks for the update. This case has dropped off the news media radar and is really cold. I see they are making a movie loosely based on the case. The author who helped Natalee's father is a spokesperson for the Anthony family I believe. So, by following the Caylee case, perhaps we will get some Natalee news.:hat:

[One2Snoop]

There are some updates at scaredmonkeys...

Posted September16, 2008

Natalee Holloway Investigation: The Witness was Afraid to Come Forward & Aware that Paulus van der Sloot had Powerful Connections in the Prosecutors Office.

A 48 year old unidentified witness comes forward in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. He states that he did not come forward sooner because he was afraid. He was afraid of the consequences of his statements and the fact that Paulus van der Sloot had powerful connections in the Prosecutors Office. Seems that the witnesses suspicions were confirmed by the fact that Hans Mos refuses to do anything and is more concerned with discrediting the witness than listening to him. The cover up continues as a witness who has passed two polygraph tests is not considered credible by the prosecutor. Credibility is hardly a word that should even be uttered by LE or prosecution in Aruba.

snip

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/

[LoRain]

Good Morning...this is my first post here....thank you for having me...

I have a question please....does anyone have any information on the bartenders that were working the nite Natalee went missing...in particular the one that was said to have left the island two weeks afterwards without being questioned.....thank you in advance...

[SaraSidle]

Good Morning...this is my first post here....thank you for having me...

I have a question please....does anyone have any information on the bartenders that were working the nite Natalee went missing...in particular the one that was said to have left the island two weeks afterwards without being questioned.....thank you in advance...

Welcome to CL.
I have no idea who they were LoRain. I am sorry.

[LoRain]

Thank you for the welcome and the reply...perhaps someone else might know...

[One2Snoop]

Thank you for the welcome and the reply...perhaps someone else might know...

It's been awhile since I've followed this case - perhaps one of the long-time posters will stop by and help you with your question.

Welcome to CL LoRain. :seeya:

[Luke Davis]

I've quit following this case but am always interested if there is NEWS. Geraldo mentioned something on his show last night. Seems Joran has been caught on tape again.

According to the Netherlands' "De Telegraaf" newspaper, Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries claims he has proof Joran van der Sloot has been trafficking women in Thailand for the Dutch prostitution market.

Article (http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=144041)

MOO :hat:

[AMS80]

I've quit following this case but am always interested if there is NEWS. Geraldo mentioned something on his show last night. Seems Joran has been caught on tape again.



Article (http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=144041)

MOO :hat:

This kid is either incredibly cocky or incredibly stupid. IMO.

[One2Snoop]

NANCY GRACE

Joran Van Der Sloot Taped in Thai Sex Trade Deal
Aired November 10, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/10/ng.01.html

[One2Snoop]

After watching Nancy Grace tonight - I'm convinced she's determined to see that Joran's convicted of something. Even though the video's she presented show Joran soliciting for prostitutes did any money exchange hands? Was he successful in transporting anyone from Thailand to Holland?

I don't think NG was pleased at all to hear the answers to those questions from her guest panel tonight. Even though I think Joran's responsible for Natalee's disappearance - I think I might have to agree with her panel tonight - that is, unless more info comes out.

JM 2cents

[One2Snoop]

NANCY GRACE

Van Der Sloot Thailand Tape Released
Aired November 11, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/11/ng.01.html

[Heyes]

I've quit following this case but am always interested if there is NEWS. Geraldo mentioned something on his show last night. Seems Joran has been caught on tape again.



Article (http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=144041)

MOO :hat:
LUKE!!!

How are you sweetie!
My gosh long time.
I popped back over here to see if there was any further news on Vandersloot. I must say this sure didn't suprise me. Money even was exchanged and supposedly it was a $1,000 "deposit. According to Devries, he called joran to let him know he'd been filmed once again and among other things which I didn't catch, joran thanked him for the thousand bucks. Evidently the Thai Government has asked for the film and transcript and joran has gone into hiding.
His clock is ticking. If he isn't found dead in a back alley, he will end up doing some time. At least that's my opinion. Can't say I'm sad about that.
For whatever reason joran thinks it's cool to be the bad guy.
Anita must want to die. Can't say I'm too terribly sad about that either.
This is just the beginning of another joran saga. I hope they do lock him up this time wherever they choose to press charges, if they do.
I have heard conflicting reports about aruba. On one channel, they said aruba has opened the case back up and on NG, I think I heard aruba is doing nothing. Case basically closed. Your the exact person I was hoping would still be here. Could you let me know which it is? Thanks and really good to see you!
IMO

[AMS80]

LUKE!!!

How are you sweetie!
My gosh long time.
I popped back over here to see if there was any further news on Vandersloot. I must say this sure didn't suprise me. Money even was exchanged and supposedly it was a $1,000 "deposit. According to Devries, he called joran to let him know he'd been filmed once again and among other things which I didn't catch, joran thanked him for the thousand bucks. Evidently the Thai Government has asked for the film and transcript and joran has gone into hiding.
His clock is ticking. If he isn't found dead in a back alley, he will end up doing some time. At least that's my opinion. Can't say I'm sad about that.
For whatever reason joran thinks it's cool to be the bad guy.
Anita must want to die. Can't say I'm too terribly sad about that either.
This is just the beginning of another joran saga. I hope they do lock him up this time wherever they choose to press charges, if they do.
I have heard conflicting reports about aruba. On one channel, they said aruba has opened the case back up and on NG, I think I heard aruba is doing nothing. Case basically closed. Your the exact person I was hoping would still be here. Could you let me know which it is? Thanks and really good to see you!
IMO

If I would've gotten out of a situation of the severity that Joran was in...I would've joined a convent or something out of relief and moral obligation. Not Joran, though! He's still out there making us proud. IMO.

[Luke Davis]

LUKE!!!

How are you sweetie!
My gosh long time.
I popped back over here to see if there was any further news on Vandersloot. I must say this sure didn't suprise me. Money even was exchanged and supposedly it was a $1,000 "deposit. According to Devries, he called joran to let him know he'd been filmed once again and among other things which I didn't catch, joran thanked him for the thousand bucks. Evidently the Thai Government has asked for the film and transcript and joran has gone into hiding.
His clock is ticking. If he isn't found dead in a back alley, he will end up doing some time. At least that's my opinion. Can't say I'm sad about that.
For whatever reason joran thinks it's cool to be the bad guy.
Anita must want to die. Can't say I'm too terribly sad about that either.
This is just the beginning of another joran saga. I hope they do lock him up this time wherever they choose to press charges, if they do.
I have heard conflicting reports about aruba. On one channel, they said aruba has opened the case back up and on NG, I think I heard aruba is doing nothing. Case basically closed. Your the exact person I was hoping would still be here. Could you let me know which it is? Thanks and really good to see you!
IMO

Hiya Heyes!

My only interest now is the Dr. Phil lawsuit. Hard to find anything on it.

[The R]

hope continues........


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/18/grace.coldcase.holloway/index.html

[Reckless]

hope continues........


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/18/grace.coldcase.holloway/index.html
Nice to wake up and hear this first thing this morning! Indeed, hope continues.

[worldJOURNIER]

Hi Everyone.... Wanted to be sure to let everyone know that even though AOL recently ceased its "Hometown" service, the Natalee Holloway Detailed Timeline, and, our Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba public file have been successfully uploaded for everyone to the following FTP website's. . . .
(please copy and email for everyone in the Natalee network these new links). . . .

the Natalee Holloway Timeline Detailing Persons, Places, Outright Lies, & Natalee's Known Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, & Natalee's Corpse Disposal Suspects in Aruba. . . .

http://ftp.hometown.aol.com/worldjournier/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

the Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba public file. . . .

http://ftp.hometown.aol.com/worldjournier/NATALEE

[Its just me]

I'm just hearing about Aruba taking another look at Joran in the disappearing of NH. My first thoughts are..It might depend on what happens with the case in Thai that will determine what Aruba decides to do with Joran. I don't doubt the Dad has pull with the authorities in Aruba and I'm sure everything possible will be done to keep Joran out of the courts in Thai. including charging him with something with Natalee disappearing...That is if the case in Aruba would come first. I don't know the answer to that but Aruba reinvestigating Joran/Natalee at this time looks kind of looks fishy to me.
I think he is guilty as sin in both cases but he has managed to avoid being charged with anything so far. Maybe his luck has run out and he will soon be arrested and actually charged with something. I don't trust the authorities in Aruba and I think he may get more punishment if he's charged in Thai. Anything is better than him walking free but he needs to be taken out of society for life. imhoo
IJM/fep

[Its just me]

I watched Greta last night on Fox News. Greta reported she has information to give to the prosocutor in Aruba. To my understanding it's information that can be proven as truth or determined to be a hoax. I got that if proven as the truth it can actually help solve the case. Greta called the Prosocutor in Aruba and asked him to meet her in New York and he wouldn't...she then asked him to meet her half way in Miami but he refused to that also. Greta has been working on this for some time and recently traveled out of the country to get this information/possible evidence ??. Greta was NOT HAPPY. I'm pretty sure she announced this will be aired next Monday. Sorry I don't have a link to the transcript but I'm sure it can be found at Fox News "On the Record" if anyone is interested. This is all from memory so it may not be just exactly right. fep

[odette]

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

[Luke Davis]

I found this but am not sure how reliable it is.


.................................................. ......................
Press Release from The Public Prosecutor’s Office
Press release

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba
T ++ (297) 521 4100
F ++ (297) 521 4190

To
All media

From
The Public Prosecutor’s Office

Date
November 20, 2008

Pages
2

Clarification of reporting on the Natalee Holloway case investigation

A rehashing of previously reported news has created the incorrect impression that new witnesses have come forward whose statements could help solving the ongoing investigation of the Natalee Holloway disappearance in 2005.

This Office has taken a statement from a witness as far back as March this year and his statement has made the media a few months ago. A second witness came up two weeks ago in the Peter R. de Vries show in the Netherlands, which show earlier broadcasted hidden camera statements of Joran van der Sloot. This witness also has given her statement to the Dutch Police who send it to this Office. Although the statement is of interest, it does not give the Police further leads to investigate nor does it help solving the case.

Now some media outlets have reported that these two statements are “new”. On top of that they included inaccurate quotes from this Office together with their own conclusions in their stories.

The investigation led by this Office has been ongoing and, as has been done all the time, this Office and the Police investigate every new lead in this case. Currently the final few leads are under investigation. A decision in the Joran van der Sloot case is expected within a few months.

The Public Prosecutor’s Office makes every effort to inform the Holloway family of real progress or major developments in this case, either directly in answering telephone calls or e-mails or, as agreed upon earlier, active through their legal representative. The past few weeks there has been frequent contact between that representative and this Office.

This office was contacted as early as July 2008 by a tabloid show concerning a new video tape of Joran van der Sloot discussing the Natalee Holloway case in Thailand. A producer from the tabloid show purporting to have the tape, has made this Office aware of the contents. This Office does not feel that the contents of the tape has any value as evidence at this point. Our investigation results do not show any corroboration of this new story whatsoever. The producer of the tabloid show told this Office in July 2008 they would travel to Aruba to show the tape. The request of this Office to send the tape in the interest of the investigation was never answered nor did the host of the show arrive on Aruba. The offer to show the tape on Aruba was repeated 10 days ago through a representative. In a personal conversation between the host of the tabloid show and the prosecutor that offer was withdrawn because of the host’s other business commitments in the US. What was left was a “take it or leave it” suggestion to meet in Miami in the weekend.

The host is not willing to provide the tape to the Police.

===

[Luke Davis]

Birmingham (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/11/aruban_prosecutor_denies_there.html)



The public prosecutor's office in Aruba says news reports this week have "created the incorrect impression" that new witnesses have come forward with statements that could help resolve the Natalee Holloway case.

[Its just me]

IIRC Greta fist asked the Public Prosecutor’s Office to come to New York to view her tape and information. He would/could not come to NY so Greta offered to meet him half way in Miami. He would not do that either.

"The Tabloid Show" in the Prosecutors News release is On the Record with Greta. LOL Caling the show a Tabloid show was laughed at last night. Greta said something about not turning the tape over to the police because she didn't trust them and felt the prosecustor was the person to look at it.

There is going to be more with Greta tonight. fep

[Its just me]

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

Thanks Odette for this link. I saw this when it aired and couldn't remember exactly what Jossy Mansur had said about if an investigation had been done on the boats in the area the night NH vanished. Mansur has been on Greta many times and seemed to have good information...He says no investigation was done because someone in the police force told them to turn the radar off. "Put it off" is what Mansur said and I don't what that could mean except "turn it off". It's interesting any way. fep
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Snip from link.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do most people think happened to Natalee?
MANSUR: Most of us believe that what Joran said on the first program of De Vries is correct, that she died in his arms but not from seizure -- we don't know how she died -- that [he] called a friend and the friend dumped her in the ocean. That's what most people believe.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any suggestion that there was a boat there that night or any ability to dump her into the ocean?
MANSUR: Well, probably because there were some boats nearby, and especially the boat (INAUDIBLE) the tour (ph) ship, which is a tourist ship. There must have been other boats in the vicinity, as Joran would not have invented this with De Vries.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of boats, just so that we have some sort of idea of the geography, for people who need to be reminded, how far, for instance, is Aruba from Venezuela?
MANSUR: Fifteen nautical miles is the nearest point within Aruba and Venezuela.
VAN SUSTEREN: And do you know -- and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?
MANSUR: No, it hasn't been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba -- told them to put it off.
VAN SUSTEREN: Jossy, thank you.
MANSUR: Sure.

[FDInLaw]

Walsh also helped with the search for Natalee Holloway. "I believe Natalee Holloway is dead and I hope they recover her remains so that they can put her to rest... and I hope that they get justice. I think those three young men in Aruba got away with the murder."


http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2008/12/john_walsh_casey_anthony_guilt.php

[The R]

I'm just hearing about Aruba taking another look at Joran in the disappearing of NH. My first thoughts are..It might depend on what happens with the case in Thai that will determine what Aruba decides to do with Joran. I don't doubt the Dad has pull with the authorities in Aruba and I'm sure everything possible will be done to keep Joran out of the courts in Thai. including charging him with something with Natalee disappearing...That is if the case in Aruba would come first. I don't know the answer to that but Aruba reinvestigating Joran/Natalee at this time looks kind of looks fishy to me.
I think he is guilty as sin in both cases but he has managed to avoid being charged with anything so far. Maybe his luck has run out and he will soon be arrested and actually charged with something. I don't trust the authorities in Aruba and I think he may get more punishment if he's charged in Thai. Anything is better than him walking free but he needs to be taken out of society for life. imhoo
IJM/fep

ITA and hope the young IMO worthless punk and his cover-up papa get theirs and I hope it is sooner than later. I have no idea what could be J's motivation in his mind game episodes. This and the Anthony case are two that could use a waterboard interrogation.
I can't help but suspect that some in Aruba are happy that VDS acts the way he does; after all some of their income was threatened.

ALLMO,
R

[Luke Davis]

Are people still boycotting Aruba? I imagine with the US economy hurting, Aruba is hurting too.

[FDInLaw]

Aruba prosecutor: End is near in Holloway case

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday their investigation into the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway is nearing the end and appealed for anyone with information to come forward.

Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office still needs "at least another few months" to investigate statements made by the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, during a hidden-camera interview which was broadcast on Dutch television last year.

But he then said prosecutors "are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation."

"If you have relevant information — no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem — please notify my office or the police," Mos said in a statement Tuesday. . .



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_aruba_missing_teen

[Its just me]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477454,00.html

Dutch Member of Parliament Vows to Root Out Corruption in Aruba

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 6, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Beth and Dave Holloway have not given up. We at "On the Record" have not given up, and I know you have not given up. And now a member of the Dutch parliament is joining the push for answers. Hero Brinkman, a member of the Dutch parliament, who told us the Island of Aruba is corrupt as hell. He's now in Aruba. He is demanding answers in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Mr. Brinkman joins us by phone.
Mr. Brinkman, thank you for joining us. And what happened today?
HERO BRINKMAN, MEMBER OF DUTCH PARLIAMENT: Well, it happened yesterday, about the trip (ph), and we started the conference today with the delegations of the Antilles parliament and a delegation of the Aruban parliament to open a conference about our kingdom and the way we are dealing with the three different countries within the kingdom.
• Video: Watch Greta's interview (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,477454,00.html#)
VAN SUSTEREN: I heard that you had been threatened.
BRINKMAN: Yes, well, that was yesterday. I had a meeting — our delegation had a meeting with the prime minister. I had a big discussion with the prime minister, and after that , we went away, and I walked away, and someone came up to me, and he threatened to push my — to hit me on the head or something like that. And that actually was the manager of protocol, the right hand from the prime minister who did that.
VAN SUSTEREN: What prompted that? Is it anyway related to Natalee Holloway?
BRINKMAN: Well, they are all very mad about, not only because of my statements that Aruba is corrupt as hell, and — and that, yes, I think, I'm sure it is. And I think in a democratic society, you are allowed, as a member of parliament to state that, and to prove it. So, the Aruban people are not very democratic at all. And they have to get used to these kind of talks I think.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you back off your statement that Aruba is corrupt as hell? That is the first part of my question. And the second part is, was the investigation of Natalee Holloway corrupt as hell?
BRINKMAN: I must say that I'm 100 percent sure that both answers can be — answered with yes. The politicians here are very, very corrupt. Most of them they just joined politics to fill their own pockets. And actually, as it is already stated by the minister Crews, that he knows — he knew that the first 10 days of the investigation, they tried to slow down the investigation so that probably other things could go away, like they body of Natalee Holloway.
VAN SUSTEREN: Mr. Brinkman, can you make a promise to us, you won't give up in searching for answers and making sure there is a full investigation?
BRINKMAN: Well, I already stated a few weeks ago, with you. I am like a lion. If I had my grip on you, I will never let loose. I — I want the truth to come out. And I will do everything within the parliament and outside the parliament to obtain a good investigation of what happened. And I want to know happened three — almost four years ago with Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Can you get a full and complete investigation and get someone other than the Aruban officials to do it? Get the Dutch officials in there, and basically clean house?
BRINKMAN: Yes. Actually, that is my political goal. I want a Dutch investigation of the first 10 days of the disappearance of Natalee. Why did the police — why didn't they do something, and why did they not do anything on the other kind of criminal parts. I want those answers. And I think there are a few people out there who know what has happened. Joran must have called someone, a few people what has happened. And I want those people. And I'm pretty sure about who I am referring to. I want those people to come out and just tell us what had happened.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, Mr. Brinkman, your reputation is that you do not give up. So, you know, the Holloway's family is, I know, very grateful for what you have done. Thank you for joining us, Sir.
BRINKMAN: I'm at your service. Thank you.
VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you, Sir.
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[One2Snoop]

Hmmmm - this should be interesting. Thanks for the update Its just me. :seeya:

[The R]

that is interesting esp. coming from a member of their govt. and confirms what the Holloways have said all along; no help from Aruba. If true, I hope they put all the ******** in the pokey.

ALLMO,
R

[Its just me]

that is interesting esp. coming from a member of their govt. and confirms what the Holloways have said all along; no help from Aruba. If true, I hope they put all the ******** in the pokey.

ALLMO,
R

I commend Brinkman for having the audacity to call a spade a spade...corruption... corruption. I believe with all my being there was a cover up in what happened to Natalee. I also commend Greta for staying the course for answers. If not for Greta Brinkman would have never come forward. I will have to see it to believe any charges will ever be made for the disappearance of NH or for the corruption in the investigation but being exposed is better than what's been told so far. This is not only in Aruba...it's right here in South Georgia. Very sad and if I didn't have hope for krama I couldn't stand it. fep

[SaraSidle]

I commend Brinkman for having the audacity to call a spade a spade...corruption... corruption. I believe with all my being there was a cover up in what happened to Natalee. I also commend Greta for staying the course for answers. If not for Greta Brinkman would have never come forward. I will have to see it to believe any charges will ever be made for the disappearance of NH or for the corruption in the investigation but being exposed is better than what's been told so far. This is not only in Aruba...it's right here in South Georgia. Very sad and if I didn't have hope for krama I couldn't stand it. fep

Wow fep you took the words right out of my hands. I very much believe what comes around goes around. I have seen it happen to many times. I know a lot of people boycotting Aruba. All I wish is that she could go home as Caylee did. IMO sara

[Luke Davis]

http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/img-story/images/uploads/Amy_Gumenick.jpg

photo: amygumenick.com
Actress Amy Gumenick: cast to play Natalee Holloway

Movie (http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE5061UV20090107)

Tracy Pollan (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/12/22/2008-12-22_inner_tube_tracy_pollan_signed_for_natal.html)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/22/amd_michaeljfox.jpg

[SaraSidle]

http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/img-story/images/uploads/Amy_Gumenick.jpg

photo: amygumenick.com
Actress Amy Gumenick: cast to play Natalee Holloway

Movie (http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE5061UV20090107)

Tracy Pollan (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/12/22/2008-12-22_inner_tube_tracy_pollan_signed_for_natal.html)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/22/amd_michaeljfox.jpg

excellent choice if it happens IMO

[Luke Davis]

Exploration (http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/international/2009/jan/Russia-and-Venezuela-Drill-Near-Aruba--Fueling-Cold-War-Fears-.html)

Drilling where Natalee may have been dumped. :read:

[Luke Davis]

Beth Holloway (http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427)

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

[SaraSidle]

Beth Holloway (http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A55427)

Any news on Equusearch?

[Luke Davis]

Any news on Equusearch?
I haven't heard any. I did hear Hans Mos is being replaced, the link is in Dutch.