Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 6)

[Luke Davis]

Fifth Car Trip (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php)

But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

[Luke Davis]

Beth's book has been published in Dutch.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

Loving Natalee (http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/?p=792)

http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/wp-content/2008/02/boeken.jpg:read:

[Heyes]

Beth's book has been published in Dutch.


IMO

That's going to twist some tails around here!

I'm glad the interest is there.
Bet anita, paulus and julia are livid!
lol
good!
Finally the truth is coming out and julia has been nailed.
anita,(from what I've read and seen) has been exposed for the lies and rumors she has spread. She once thought that if she pushed this, "investigate the family" nonsense she could maintain the illusion that joran is innocent. Well that was blown sky high thanks to her little "sporter".
Do you think the vandersloots will try to publish a book or do anymore interviews?
I hate to say it but for entertainment sake I almost hope they do.
I went back to see the interviews where greta is with the vandersloots in their home. It is interesting to see it now after so much has come to light. To me it seems paulus has a real hard time sitting through it and anita is overacting. The lies that have come out of that one little house are incredible. Just incredible!
Now do we feel sorry for joran considering he never had a chance to be a normal human being with what is taught in that household?
NAW~
imo

[Heyes]

Who officially declared Joran a murderer, and who dictated the thread was about his murdering Natalee?

You really do miss those glory days as hall monitor, don't you?

Your kinda usless in the discussion that this thread is about, aren't ya!
Must be so hard being a joran supporter these days, just nothing to work with. Oh well, when there's no defense, attack other posters, yeah that's the ticket!
:cool:
imo

[Heyes]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/158069320_cab12f2934_o.jpg



Is that a guy or a girl joran is, um, attached to?
Anyone?
anita must be proud!


lol

[Grandad]

Your kinda usless in the discussion that this thread is about, aren't ya!
Must be so hard being a joran supporter these days, just nothing to work with. Oh well, when there's no defense, attack other posters, yeah that's the ticket!
imo

You're really going to have to learn people are going to treat you the same way you treat them.

Talking about useless, do you ever bother to read your own posts? They're either useless, or obnoxious. Sometime, both.

[SaraSidle]

If you all keep attacking each other this will be shut down as was the Mary Winkler threads and Jon Benet Ramsey threads. JMHO

[Heyes]

Latest update from the Persistence!
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/
Update: Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.

These people are hero's
Hope we get another update soon.

imo

[Chocoholic]

Lookie there! You actually took time out from whining about Beth to insult another poster.



Pot, kettle, seems to me you just insulted Grandad also.

[Chocoholic]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/158069320_cab12f2934_o.jpg



Is that a guy or a girl joran is, um, attached to?
Anyone?
anita must be proud!


lol

I read somewhere that Natalee's bahvior and way of dressing was rather promiscuous. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true. Did you take that picture? If not you have no way of knowing that such an act ever took place.

[Chocoholic]

Latest update from the Persistence!
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/
Update: Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.

These people are hero's
Hope we get another update soon.

imo

So much area covered and still no body. Could it be there isn't one?

[Heyes]

joran = joke of the NL's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ROeNDdP2ec&feature=related
O.M.G.~
imo

[HiLife]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/158069320_cab12f2934_o.jpg

Is that a guy or a girl joran is, um, attached to?
Anyone?
anita must be proud!

lol

Looks like Joran is preparing for prison life. :D


jmo

[HiLife]

joran = joke of the NL's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ROeNDdP2ec&feature=related
O.M.G.~
imo

"I know what you did last summer"

"Look Joran candid camera"

:biggrin:

[ortiga]

So much area covered and still no body. Could it be there isn't one?


Hey Choco, how are you!

Can you believe they called Natalee's father to tell them they found a skull in a crab trap, before even going down to look to see if it was a skull or not?

Shame on them, that was for publicity, the way they used Dave.

[Heyes]

"I know what you did last summer"

"Look Joran candid camera"

:biggrin:

wow if anyone thinks there's anger toward joran over here they should pop over to Dutch message boards. or even you tube!
I feel much better seeing how there is zero defense of the killer over there, there may be a few but I haven't read any yet.
There are a number of spoofs and jokes and anger, no defenders. lmao
imo

[Heyes]

Full interview between Hans Mos and Peter DeVries:

http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm

Peter R. DeVries: “What stands out for me in this: the fact that it is a young man, not touched emotionally by this case. He talks about it thoughtlessly and with little respect to Natalee”
Hans Mos: “Yes, that was… I have also watched your program with Joran and his parents, where they spoke about the way he was raised and the way he treats girls. We know from the police report that that was different. It surprises me that it has been said like this. Anyone could have known that it was different and what his intentions usually were in the weekends when he went out with those kinds of girls, mainly American tourists. The way he talks about it shows very little respect and I find that quite shocking actually.”

Interesting interview if you haven't heard all of it yet.

imo

[HiLife]

Full interview between Hans Mos and Peter DeVries:

http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm

Peter R. DeVries: “What stands out for me in this: the fact that it is a young man, not touched emotionally by this case. He talks about it thoughtlessly and with little respect to Natalee”
Hans Mos: “Yes, that was… I have also watched your program with Joran and his parents, where they spoke about the way he was raised and the way he treats girls. We know from the police report that that was different. It surprises me that it has been said like this. Anyone could have known that it was different and what his intentions usually were in the weekends when he went out with those kinds of girls, mainly American tourists. The way he talks about it shows very little respect and I find that quite shocking actually.”

Interesting interview if you haven't heard all of it yet.

imo

Thanks for this, Heyes, I hadn't seen it yet. While so many productive things have come from PDV's expose on Joran, it frustrates me he did not go far enough for a solid conviction. It surprises me that Peter De Vries, as an experienced crime reporter, did not realize this would still not be enough.

But no matter. The truth is on the Holloway family's side and it will be revealed eventually. No matter how many people have formed to oppose the Holloways, they have been vindicated at every turn. All the ridiculous conspiracy theories, imagined lies, vile criticisms are all falling by the wayside with each new revelation in the case.

It is delightful to hear that the Dutch "get it" and have seen Joran for the monster he has shown himself to be. They will be able to administer a type of justice that the Arubans, fooled by the crafty Van der Sloots, have not been able to provide.

I have said from the beginning: The truth will be revealed and justice will be served!

jmo

[Grandad]

wow if anyone thinks there's anger toward joran over here they should pop over to Dutch message boards. or even you tube!
I feel much better seeing how there is zero defense of the killer over there, there may be a few but I haven't read any yet.
There are a number of spoofs and jokes and anger, no defenders. lmao
imo

Is Beth on the Dutch boards translating the posts for you?

[Grandad]

Full interview between Hans Mos and Peter DeVries:

http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm

Peter R. DeVries: “What stands out for me in this: the fact that it is a young man, not touched emotionally by this case. He talks about it thoughtlessly and with little respect to Natalee”
Hans Mos: “Yes, that was… I have also watched your program with Joran and his parents, where they spoke about the way he was raised and the way he treats girls. We know from the police report that that was different. It surprises me that it has been said like this. Anyone could have known that it was different and what his intentions usually were in the weekends when he went out with those kinds of girls, mainly American tourists. The way he talks about it shows very little respect and I find that quite shocking actually.”

Interesting interview if you haven't heard all of it yet.

imo

Sounds like the Dutch version of "Dumb and Dumber."

[Heyes]

Thanks for this, Heyes, I hadn't seen it yet. While so many productive things have come from PDV's expose on Joran, it frustrates me he did not go far enough for a solid conviction. It surprises me that Peter De Vries, as an experienced crime reporter, did not realize this would still not be enough.

But no matter. The truth is on the Holloway family's side and it will be revealed eventually. No matter how many people have formed to oppose the Holloways, they have been vindicated at every turn. All the ridiculous conspiracy theories, imagined lies, vile criticisms are all falling by the wayside with each new revelation in the case.

It is delightful to hear that the Dutch "get it" and have seen Joran for the monster he has shown himself to be. They will be able to administer a type of justice that the Arubans, fooled by the crafty Van der Sloots, have not been able to provide.

I have said from the beginning: The truth will be revealed and justice will be served!

jmo

Your welcome!
I hadn't seen the entire interview and thought mos's response was interesting.
So many of the Dutch postings have been angry. It looks like joran better hide for a long, long time. Over there they aren't very happy with the "sporter". I've seen hate, anger, even death threats. Some just want to beat the living daylights out of joran. They feel for Natalee's family. Many posts describe Natalee as beautiful and innocent and joran as a murdering monster. Does the heart good, ya know? Seems anita and julia's smear campaign didn't last very long. Many posts discuss paulus and anita and how "foul" they are. What crappy parents they must be. It's eye opening.
Funny how the truth does manage to come out eventually. Turns out the vandersloots aren't as crafty as they thought. The world pretty much HATES them from what I've read.
GOOD!
I love the fact that now that the truth about joran the killer, has been revealed, the vandersloots have to hide their faces. I imagine they are so warped we haven't heard the end of them. But for right now, the silence is golden.
I hope some of our Dutch friends over there take care of this situation one way or the other. ;)
imo
imo

[Heyes]

Is Beth on the Dutch boards translating the posts for you?

Why would I need Beth? It's all over the NL's media go read for yourself!
Your boy is a murdering laughing stock!
Sorry about that!
It just is what it is~
Tough pill to swallow for those that adore joran but.....
Oh Well!
He's going to have to hide for a long long time. anita and paulus may have to find another little island to hide on. lmao

:patriot:
imo

[HiLife]

Your welcome!
I hadn't seen the entire interview and thought mos's response was interesting.
So many of the Dutch postings have been angry. It looks like joran better hide for a long, long time. Over there they aren't very happy with the "sporter". I've seen hate, anger, even death threats. Some just want to beat the living daylights out of joran. They feel for Natalee's family. Many posts describe Natalee as beautiful and innocent and joran as a murdering monster. Does the heart good, ya know? Seems anita and julia's smear campaign didn't last very long. Many posts discuss paulus and anita and how "foul" they are. What crappy parents they must be. It's eye opening.
Funny how the truth does manage to come out eventually. Turns out the vandersloots aren't as crafty as they thought. The world pretty much HATES them from what I've read.
GOOD!
I love the fact that now that the truth about joran the killer, has been revealed, the vandersloots have to hide their faces. I imagine they are so warped we haven't heard the end of them. But for right now, the silence is golden.
I hope some of our Dutch friends over there take care of this situation one way or the other. ;)
imo
imo

The Dutch reaction is especially interesting, in that they are known for being so calm, logical, intelligent and educated. For them to have such an emotional reaction is highly indicative of just how much Joran must be hated.

You're right, it is very gratifying to see the truth prevail for the Holloways. I agree we haven't heard the end of the Van der Sloots - I think they have been re-grouping from their son's shocking admissions and will come out with some ridiculous rebuttals. It makes me laugh to see who they have aligned themselves with and whose advice they have followed. :chicken:

jmo

[Heyes]

The Dutch reaction is especially interesting, in that they are known for being so calm, logical, intelligent and educated. For them to have such an emotional reaction is highly indicative of just how much Joran must be hated.

You're right, it is very gratifying to see the truth prevail for the Holloways. I agree we haven't heard the end of the Van der Sloots - I think they have been re-grouping from their son's shocking admissions and will come out with some ridiculous rebuttals. It makes me laugh to see who they have aligned themselves with and whose advice they have followed. :chicken:

jmo

I believe your right, From their history we know that's exactly what they do. I was shocked to learn that they publicly announced that "The Family" should be investigated within 2 weeks of sporters confession. Is this interview available? I'm now curious.
I think about the interviews in the past, anita sitting there lecturing us on how Natalee should have acted. How the Holloway/Twitty's should act. Wagging her frigging finger at the camera and saying how wrong this all is. Blaming, "The Girl", "The Family", and of course "The Media"!
Like they're the victims in all this!
And with joran on tape mimicking Natalee dying not 2 weeks later!!!!!
UGH!
imo

[HiLife]

I believe your right, From their history we know that's exactly what they do. I was shocked to learn that they publicly announced that "The Family" should be investigated within 2 weeks of sporters confession. Is this interview available? I'm now curious.
I think about the interviews in the past, anita sitting there lecturing us on how Natalee should have acted. How the Holloway/Twitty's should act. Wagging her frigging finger at the camera and saying how wrong this all is. Blaming, "The Girl", "The Family", and of course "The Media"!
Like they're the victims in all this!
And with joran on tape mimicking Natalee dying not 2 weeks later!!!!!
UGH!
imo

All of the above is so infuriating. How dare they? Not only did they say the "Family" should be investigated (a la RU), but they claimed Natalee had run away. Ugh is right! Joran sure told them! The VDS sure tried their darndest to keep the story clamped down on Aruba.....but Peter DeVries has exposed their son, more importantly, to the Dutch.

The Anita RUmors IIRC, were on the P&W show. I believe the P&W episode showed a clip of the VDS and their malicious accusations against Natalee and her family. They almost had everyone fooled until Joran was caught opening his trap. Sweet Justice!

jmo

[Luke Davis]

I watched some of Greta last night but had company so not sure exactly what she said. Something about a piece of cloth found in a crab trap but Aruba says DNA is not a match. Did anyone hear about this?

IMO

[FDInLaw]

I watched some of Greta last night but had company so not sure exactly what she said. Something about a piece of cloth found in a crab trap but Aruba says DNA is not a match. Did anyone hear about this?

IMO
:shrug: Haven't heard.

[Luke Davis]

Not Natalee (http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7929429&nav=menu550_2)

The FBI has finished testing a piece of fabric that was found in the waters off Aruba.

[Heyes]

According to Bondia, joran the killer has freaked out and is in a psychiatric center in Holland.
More BS from the vandersloots and their dream team!
So who did he kill this time??? lol just kidding
Just a PR move to try to get joran the killer off the hook."
Won't work though, He will always be known as Natalee's killer!
imo

[Heyes]

For those that like to keep tabs on Beth, here's what she's doing now!
http://www.wsfa.com/global/story.asp?s=7936119

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, was at Auburn University-Montgomery Wednesday to help kick off a partnership called The Cold Case Investigative Research Institute.

The institute gives criminal law students a chance to work on real-life investigations. It also could shed light on some of the most notorious unsolved crimes.

Beth is helping others, again.
What is anita doing?
NOTHING!
Have the vandersloots ever done anything to benefit society? Doubtful
All jorans family tends to think about from what we've all heard is,
***how can we make money off this!****
Sick sick sick is all I can say about the vandersloots.


Beth is such a good woman, no wonder anita tried to blame her.
She will never measure up to Beth.
anita's jealousy raised it's ugly head. Obviously with her mentality the only thing she knew to do was to attack Natalee and Beth.

I remember being told time after time how "classy" anita is. LMAO
anita probably can't even spell class let alone try to pretend to have any.

To Beth and her selflessness~:rose:
imo

[SaraSidle]

I am with you Heyes. 100%

[Grandad]

For those that like to keep tabs on Beth, here's what she's doing now!
http://www.wsfa.com/global/story.asp?s=7936119

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, was at Auburn University-Montgomery Wednesday to help kick off a partnership called The Cold Case Investigative Research Institute.

The institute gives criminal law students a chance to work on real-life investigations. It also could shed light on some of the most notorious unsolved crimes.

Beth is helping others, again.
<snip>

Exactly what has Beth done to help whom?

[Luke Davis]

Link (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/NEWS02/802280314/1009)

Lou Harris, head of the criminal justice department at Faulkner, has 25 years experience as an FBI agent.

"It is important to really look at the victims and figure out why their life was taken and not somebody else," he said. "We've started picking up bits and pieces to get this picture of who these people are in these two cases. And we try to get a sense of why these people were victimized."

[Heyes]

Link (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/NEWS02/802280314/1009)

Beth making herself available for the students must be very inspiring for them. What a great idea for a class. So many families left with nothing but questions. Even if one or two students solve a cold case in the future, this class and Beth's encouragement were well worth it!

Natalee would be very proud of her mom.

:beer: Here's everyones success!

[Heyes]

Exactly what has Beth done to help whom?

lmao!
The question really should be...
What have the vandersloots done to help anyone but themselves??
They really have proved to be wasted space and dangerous. Hopefully they will hide the rest of their lives. The less they are in public the more chance there won't be another victim created by this family.


:beer:
To Beth and her desire to help in keeping travelers safe, and encouraging others to get involved with helping others find answers~
imo

[Heyes]

I am with you Heyes. 100%

Hey Sara!
Good to have you aboard.
Keep on posting~

[SaraSidle]

Heyes we had an 18 yr old cold case here and a college took it on and it was solved. 6 people were arrested and convicted. I hope the same for Natalee and her family and Chandra and her family.

[Heyes]

Heyes we had an 18 yr old cold case here and a college took it on and it was solved. 6 people were arrested and convicted. I hope the same for Natalee and her family and Chandra and her family.


Imagine~
That's 6 families who can now sleep at night knowng what happened to their loved one. That is truly a great thing those students did. I'm impressed with this program.
I agree, hopefully these cases can be solved. The Chandra L. case has always seemed solvable. Like Natalee's.
imo

[SaraSidle]

Luke is my memory off or in the very beginning right after Natalee disappeared and joran and the kapoe brothers were arrested didn't a boat owner get arrested or brought in for questioning also?

[Grandad]

lmao!
The question really should be...
What have the vandersloots done to help anyone but themselves??
They really have proved to be wasted space and dangerous. Hopefully they will hide the rest of their lives. The less they are in public the more chance there won't be another victim created by this family.

To Beth and her desire to help in keeping travelers safe, and encouraging others to get involved with helping others find answers~
imo


I don't remember the van der Sloots soliciting donations, using a tragedy to sell merchandise or setting up any bogus tax free foundations, so where's the comparison?

[No Nic]

I don't remember the van der Sloots soliciting donations, using a tragedy to sell merchandise or setting up any bogus tax free foundations, so where's the comparison?

You're right, Grandad, there is no comparison between the VDSs and the Holloway/Twittys.

The VDSs are low life, inhumane, black hearted cowards looking to sue anyone, everyone they can (including their own country) for the actions of their very own sociopathic offspring.

The Holloway/Twittys only want back the daughter that one (or two) of the VDSs threw into the ocean.

[Luke Davis]

Luke is my memory off or in the very beginning right after Natalee disappeared and joran and the kapoe brothers were arrested didn't a boat owner get arrested or brought in for questioning also?You may be thinking of Steve Croes who was a dj on the Tattoo, a fun boat.


IMO

[SaraSidle]

well couldn't he have been the one to help joran take Natalee out to sea Luke

[Luke Davis]

well couldn't he have been the one to help joran take Natalee out to sea Luke
I don't believe he knew Joran. But I guess he could be. He was questioned as well as the owner of the Tattoo.


IMO

[Heyes]

I don't remember the van der Sloots soliciting donations, using a tragedy to sell merchandise or setting up any bogus tax free foundations, so where's the comparison?


Funny, I remember a nice fat pay pal button soliciting funds for joran. Joe tacopina was shamelessly soliciting on his website. In fact I remember another my space type page also soliciting with a pay pal button for joran. Then there's his book. Then there's paulus statement about a book he thought he was involved in with joran, but (as usual) joran didn't listen to his father and went ahead with his own book. I'm sure there were more examples.
Other than that there are NO comparisons between good (Beth) and evil (vandersloot)!
imo

[ortiga]

Exactly what has Beth done to help whom?

When I first saw that screen shot of the meeting I thought it was a SNL skit on what goes wrong with voluntary facial alterations. Then, I realized that really was Beth.

[ortiga]

Link (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/NEWS02/802280314/1009)


"It is important to really look at the victims and figure out why their life was taken and not somebody else," he said. "We've started picking up bits and pieces to get this picture of who these people are in these two cases. And we try to get a sense of why these people were victimized."

----------------------------

Oh Oh, time to get that MB anti investigation machine going again!

[ortiga]

Beth making herself available for the students must be very inspiring for them. What a great idea for a class. So many families left with nothing but questions. Even if one or two students solve a cold case in the future, this class and Beth's encouragement were well worth it!

Natalee would be very proud of her mom.

:beer: Here's everyones success!

Natalee would run as fast as she can from that mother. Imagine her shame and fury in knowing that her natural mother is using her as a bank account filler.

Poor Natalee, what a card to draw in life. If only she had stayed with Dave she would not have been sent on the drinking vacation by her mother.

Poor Natalee.

:mad:

[ortiga]

Funny, I remember a nice fat pay pal button soliciting funds for joran. Joe tacopina was shamelessly soliciting on his website. In fact I remember another my space type page also soliciting with a pay pal button for joran. Then there's his book. Then there's paulus statement about a book he thought he was involved in with joran, but (as usual) joran didn't listen to his father and went ahead with his own book. I'm sure there were more examples.
Other than that there are NO comparisons between good (Beth) and evil (vandersloot)!
imo


I used to think that Beth was a horrible person because of her daughter going missing.

Now, I realize that it can't be blamed on the disappearance.

[FDInLaw]

Natalee would run as fast as she can from that mother. Imagine her shame and fury in knowing that her natural mother is using her as a bank account filler.

Poor Natalee, what a card to draw in life. If only she had stayed with Dave she would not have been sent on the drinking vacation by her mother.

Poor Natalee.

:mad:It never ceases to amaze me the heartless things that are said about a victim's family. As if the loss is not enough. :( :rose:

[HiLife]

Isn't it sick? Pathetic? Low rent? It sure is. The sporter supporters have nothing left to say. Their hero has duped them and is now known to the world as a murderer, liar and now, rumor has it, is in a psych ward. He is a psychopath, IMO.

Imagine how the joran worshipers feel, defending this POS for 2.9 years, insulting others and their intelligence, trying desperately to sound superior and relevant over someone they didn't even know and now realizing the joke was on THEM. Embarassing, to say the least.

The Van der Sloots have been exposed for the lying, low class, money grubbing (thankfully their big pay out/Love Bowl scheme has been smashed by Joran), deceiving enablers and probable body disposers (criminals) they truly are.

It is all very clear now why Joran is the way he is. Between Anita and Paulus, he didn't have a chance at growing up into a decent human being.

jmo

[Heyes]

When I first saw that screen shot of the meeting I thought it was a SNL skit on what goes wrong with voluntary facial alterations. Then, I realized that really was Beth.

Natalee would run as fast as she can from that mother. Imagine her shame and fury in knowing that her natural mother is using her as a bank account filler.
Poor Natalee, what a card to draw in life. If only she had stayed with Dave she would not have been sent on the drinking vacation by her mother.Poor Natalee.

:mad:

I used to think that Beth was a horrible person because of her daughter going missing.
Now, I realize that it can't be blamed on the disappearance.

Beth, Beth, Beth,.......MEOW!

lmao

jealousy can stunt your growth!
lol lol

[Heyes]

Isn't it sick? Pathetic? Low rent? It sure is. The sporter supporters have nothing left to say. Their hero has duped them and is now known to the world as a murderer, liar and now, rumor has it, is in a psych ward. He is a psychopath, IMO.

Imagine how the joran worshipers feel, defending this POS for 2.9 years, insulting others and their intelligence, trying desperately to sound superior and relevant over someone they didn't even know and now realizing the joke was on THEM. Embarassing, to say the least.

The Van der Sloots have been exposed for the lying, low class, money grubbing (thankfully their big pay out/Love Bowl scheme has been smashed by Joran), deceiving enablers and probable body disposers (criminals) they truly are.

It is all very clear now why Joran is the way he is. Between Anita and Paulus, he didn't have a chance at growing up into a decent human being.

jmo


I think you said it all!
All that seems to be left is jealousy about Beths looks. anita must be beside herself. Not only is she terribly unattractive she raised a murdering punk. well done anita! It must frost her flakes that Beth is well liked, attractive and is getting good press while anita's punk killer son is in hiding. Hopefully all we will deal with from anita are silly little jealousy comments, no more finger wagging/lectures for the camera. I noticed that the last time we saw her she looked bloated, so bloated I thought that if ya tied a rope on her she could float in the next Macy's day parade! Have some more wine anita, your gonna need it in the coming years.
imo

[Grandad]

You're right, Grandad, there is no comparison between the VDSs and the Holloway/Twittys.

The VDSs are low life, inhumane, black hearted cowards looking to sue anyone, everyone they can (including their own country) for the actions of their very own sociopathic offspring.

The Holloway/Twittys only want back the daughter that one (or two) of the VDSs threw into the ocean.

So you're saying the van der Sloots were involved in some secret lawsuits only you know about.

Funny, since Beth's bogus lawsuits that were thrown out of court were plastered all over the newspapers and TV.

[Grandad]

Funny, I remember a nice fat pay pal button soliciting funds for joran. Joe tacopina was shamelessly soliciting on his website. In fact I remember another my space type page also soliciting with a pay pal button for joran. Then there's his book. Then there's paulus statement about a book he thought he was involved in with joran, but (as usual) joran didn't listen to his father and went ahead with his own book. I'm sure there were more examples.
Other than that there are NO comparisons between good (Beth) and evil (vandersloot)!
imo


Seems you didn't bother to read my post, since you didn't address anything I mentioned.

[ortiga]

Seems you didn't bother to read my post, since you didn't address anything I mentioned.

Did you expect anything else from that poster?

[ortiga]

It never ceases to amaze me the heartless things that are said about a victim's family. As if the loss is not enough. :( :rose:


There is one member of Natalee's "family" that never ceases to impress me with her money grubbing, superficiality and continual lies. The rest of the family seems OK, Dave is respectable.

[Heyes]

There is one member of Natalee's "family" that never ceases to impress me with her money grubbing, superficiality and continual lies. The rest of the family seems OK, Dave is respectable.

Oh I'm sure Dave can sleep at night knowing you think he's respectable, and the rest of his family "seems OK" . :rolleyes:
And once again,
Beth, Beth, Beth.......
MEOW!

lol

[Heyes]

Seems you didn't bother to read my post, since you didn't address anything I mentioned.


Sure I did.

[HiLife]

Sure I did.

Did you expect anything else from that poster? :rolleyes:

[ortiga]

I heard that Beth is now Twitty again. Was "Holloway" just taken up for book sales?

[Luke Davis]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/images/stories/2008N/maart/1/local/avion.jpg

[ortiga]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/images/stories/2008N/maart/1/local/avion.jpg

lol I can just see Cheney up there writhing on the bar while begging some girl to take a jello shot off him at C&C

[Grandad]

Well, considering you might get shot in the face ..............................

[Luke Davis]

Beth talks (http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20080302/NEWS/803020348/-1/NLETTER)

[Heyes]

Did you expect anything else from that poster? :rolleyes:

Nope!

[Grandad]

Beth talks (http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20080302/NEWS/803020348/-1/NLETTER)


I wonder if she's getting a flat fee or a percentage of the take.

[Heyes]

I wonder if she's getting a flat fee or a percentage of the take.

Who cares?
Well, other than those handful of people jealous of Beth's success!
She certainly is becoming a highly requested speaker.
Beth can walk around, travel and hold her head up proudly!
The vandersloots?
No way on earth!
They have to hide, never can they be a proud family again.
joran may not be locked in a prison where he belongs, but the entire vandersloot family will never know what it's like to be "free" again.
Since aruba refuses to charge these killers and accomplices then social justice will prevail!
Beth will go on and be successful.
The sloots are being shunned by society. Laughed at, made fun of..(just go to You tube!)
joran will hurt someone again. This time it may be his own family!
(how bad did he hurt his brother before? and over what?)
Hopefully he is locked up somewhere getting mental help but I doubt it. His parents created this monster, they will end up paying for it! He may just end up resenting them and we know he has no control over his actions. This could turn out even worse than they imagined.
imo
This he** on earth has only begun for the sloots!
Sometimes justice is dealt out differently than we are hoping for.
The sloots are going to be hiding for a very long time, From what I've read, the death threats keep on coming. They should have just been truthful in the beginning, all of this would be almost over for them by now. But nooooooo!

imo

[Grandad]

Who cares?
Well, other than those handful of people jealous of Beth's success!

<snip>

Beth's success?

There are professional fund raisers who raise money for charities and public service organizations, but a woman who's only source of income is donations from an unsuspecting public is not a professional fundraiser, she's a beggar.

I never heard of a beggar being referred to as "successful" before.

[Heyes]

Beth's success?

There are professional fund raisers who raise money for charities and public service organizations, but a woman who's only source of income is donations from an unsuspecting public is not a professional fundraiser, she's a beggar.

I never heard of a beggar being referred to as "successful" before.

Interesting, I've never heard of sheriff associations, teachers, colleges and churchs, etc, requesting "beggars" to speak at charities, colleges, high schools, etc
This whole thing must be so tough on anita, paulus and supporters just like you.
The truth can hurt, but once you actually deal with it, you'll feel better.
I mean how long can a person feel proud that the only people they're impressing is the hiding, humiliated parents of a murderer. lol lol
Getting lonely being a joran supporter I bet! lol lol


LMAO!
"beggar"
LMAO!
imo

[ortiga]

Beth talks (http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20080302/NEWS/803020348/-1/NLETTER)

Muscle Shoals High School Band Boosters

Still, to er, muscle up some dough, any venue is worthwhile

She must be furious that they didn't mention kidnapping, drugging, brutal gang rape and murder in the article. I'm sure she will correct that oversight.

From that photo I predict that the little girl falsetto will be on display at the gig.

[ortiga]

Interesting, I've never heard of sheriff associations, teachers, colleges and churchs, etc, requesting "beggars" to speak at charities, colleges, high schools, etc
This whole thing must be so tough on anita, paulus and supporters just like you.
The truth can hurt, but once you actually deal with it, you'll feel better.
I mean how long can a person feel proud that the only people they're impressing is the hiding, humiliated parents of a murderer. lol lol
Getting lonely being a joran supporter I bet! lol lol


LMAO!
"beggar"
LMAO!
imo

That seems to bother you a lot, but face it, people that continually ask the public for money without giving an accounting for it.....are the same as the beggars on the street corners who also don't give accounting for their income. Or what would be the preferred word for using one's missing daughter to raise money year after year?

Oh, I almost forgot I was talking to you, Heyes

http://www.answers.com/preferred&r=67 for meaning of "preferred"

[Heyes]

That seems to bother you a lot, but face it, people that continually ask the public for money without giving an accounting for it.....are the same as the beggars on the street corners who also don't give accounting for their income. Or what would be the preferred word for using one's missing daughter to raise money year after year?

Oh, I almost forgot I was talking to you, Heyes

http://www.answers.com/preferred&r=67 for meaning of "preferred"

I noticed that after joran confessed your only comments are about Beth. Not about the case, joran or his parents/arubas obvious involvment in the cover up.
Just, Beth, Beth, Beth.
We know your defense of joran has been debunked all over the place.
So...... lying about Beth is the only thing you can comment about now? Sad
and laughable.
imo

lies = aruba

[Heyes]

Muscle Shoals High School Band Boosters

Still, to er, muscle up some dough, any venue is worthwhile

She must be furious that they didn't mention kidnapping, drugging, brutal gang rape and murder in the article. I'm sure she will correct that oversight.

From that photo I predict that the little girl falsetto will be on display at the gig.

She doesn't have to correct anything. It's general knowledge that joran more than likely drugged and raped Natalee.
We know he murdered her.

imo

[SaraSidle]

She doesn't have to correct anything. It's general knowledge that joran more than likely drugged and raped Natalee.
We know he murdered her.

imo

I agree Heyes. Ortiga almost sounds so angry with Beth that he has tunnel vision about everything else. Not to mention GD

[Grandad]

She doesn't have to correct anything. It's general knowledge that joran more than likely drugged and raped Natalee.
We know he murdered her.

imo


Years ago it was accepted as general knowledge that the earth was flat and thought it was more than likely you could sail over the edge.

Then, as now, many were afraid, or too ignorant, to check on, and try to understand the facts.

[ortiga]

Years ago it was accepted as general knowledge that the earth was flat and thought it was more than likely you could sail over the edge.

Then, as now, many were afraid, or too ignorant, to check on, and try to understand the facts.


GD, I think she needs a link for the "not flat" part.

[ortiga]

I agree Heyes. Ortiga almost sounds so angry with Beth that he has tunnel vision about everything else. Not to mention GD

I'm not at all angry with Beth. I noticed nearly 3 years ago what kind of person she was, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt for a couple of months, kinda like accepting the grieving mother card. But when it became clear that she REALLY IS like that, and when she quit her day job and started using Natalee for fund raising, and then the way she bad mouthed Natalee in the book, saying that Beth had warned her many times before she left, implying that it was all Natalee's fault that she ended up on a drinking vacation, and, saying that Natalee was not entirely to blame for Jug divorcing Beth, unnecessarily calling Natalee "passive aggressive" in the book :eek:

well.......no more grieving mother cards accepted by me.

Almost forgot to mention that the way she had Matt notify Dave after her own plane was on the way to Aruba.....unforgivable treatment of Natalee's father. And the way she attributed to Matt the idea that it was serious and his saying that they should call the FBI......well, she is just a sieve of lies.

But, no, I'm not angry at her. She will have to make amends with the big guy upstairs.

IMO

[ortiga]

She doesn't have to correct anything. It's general knowledge that joran more than likely drugged and raped Natalee.
We know he murdered her.

imo

Ho hum. Natalee was the one with drugs. HELLO!

Natalee was the one that came onto Joran, unless you think it's normal behavior to invite a strange guy to suck your belly button in a bar.

Whatever sex they had was obviously mutually agreed upon.

She drank for days, had to be taken intoxicated to her room, got into altercation with a blue eyed dutch boy in a bar, had to be told by her own friends to slow down.

It's obvious to me, and to any impartial person, that poor Natalee made some really bad decisions on that vacation, and it's more than likely that she died from the drinking she chose to do.

IMO

[Heyes]

Years ago it was accepted as general knowledge that the earth was flat and thought it was more than likely you could sail over the edge.

Then, as now, many were afraid, or too ignorant, to check on, and try to understand the facts.


BWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

lol lol lol lol
oh lol lol

[Heyes]

I agree Heyes. Ortiga almost sounds so angry with Beth that he has tunnel vision about everything else. Not to mention GD

If I was Beth, I'd be afraid..... very afraid! lol lol
Seriously, with joran supporters you either get an insult or they get catty about Beth. Nothing about the case, or the murdering vandersloot of course.
Like I've been saying, when you can't defend......all that's left is to attack! :shrug:
consider the source.
:patriot:

[Heyes]

Ho hum. Natalee was the one with drugs. HELLO!

HELLO! according to a drug dealer that is the loser brother in law of dompig. lmao

Natalee was the one that came onto Joran, unless you think it's normal behavior to invite a strange guy to suck your belly button in a bar.
according to joran the murderer
Whatever sex they had was obviously mutually agreed upon.
according to joran the murderer
She drank for days, had to be taken intoxicated to her room, got into altercation with a blue eyed dutch boy in a bar, had to be told by her own friends to slow down.
O.M.G. Natalee drank on vacation!!!! Well then joran had every right to rape and kill her! :rolleyes:
It's obvious to me, and to any impartial person, that poor Natalee made some really bad decisions on that vacation, and it's more than likely that she died from the drinking she chose to do.
Only bad decision Natalee made was to accept that drink from joran the murderer.
IMO


IMO of course~ Well mine and a few million others, but hey keep on hoping!

[ortiga]

IMO of course~ Well mine and a few million others, but hey keep on hoping!

You love to dwell on the salacious, and on the horrid things that can happen in life. I feel sorry for you, as there is no proof what so ever that anyone did anything to Natalee. I do feel sorry for her, as you and your friends keep heralding all the vicious things you like to dwell on, when there is no proof of harm having come to her.

If she is dead, it's because she drank too much, IMO, and except for the people that enabled the vacation and the others who didn't watch out for her, like her friends and step family members that were right there, there is no one to blame for her death.

Natalee played her cards in a risky manner, drank too much, and probably died because of it.

Happens all the time with teens that throw caution to the wind. Some get caught, some live through those teen years and truthfully can't imagine how they did live through them.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

CLAIM FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGES (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/holloway_mother_on_dutch_tv_ch.php)

[Heyes]

You love to dwell on the salacious, and on the horrid things that can happen in life. I feel sorry for you, as there is no proof what so ever that anyone did anything to Natalee. I do feel sorry for her, as you and your friends keep heralding all the vicious things you like to dwell on, when there is no proof of harm having come to her.

If she is dead, it's because she drank too much, IMO, and except for the people that enabled the vacation and the others who didn't watch out for her, like her friends and step family members that were right there, there is no one to blame for her death.

Natalee played her cards in a risky manner, drank too much, and probably died because of it.

Happens all the time with teens that throw caution to the wind. Some get caught, some live through those teen years and truthfully can't imagine how they did live through them.

IMO
Wow!
joran just goes **poof** on your little planet vandersloot!
It's .... like magic!
Like he never existed!
Talk about blaming the victim. :rolleyes:


And I feel sorry for you.
WOW~

imo

[Heyes]

CLAIM FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGES (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/holloway_mother_on_dutch_tv_ch.php)

So she IS suing joran. lol lol
I love this woman!
Considering jorans anger problems and his questionable mental state, I doubt he can take this pressure?
He's gonna blow!
If he thought life was tough after his confession, just wait until this starts!
LMAO!
I wonder if he's still sleeping like a baby?
lmao
imo

[ortiga]

CLAIM FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGES (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/holloway_mother_on_dutch_tv_ch.php)


emotional damages?

1) that should give her some more chances to emote on demand. I bet she practices with a mirror.

2) should keep her from having to work for a living for awhile longer.

Poor poor Natalee.

:(

[ortiga]

So she IS suing joran. lol lol
I love this woman!
Considering jorans anger problems and his questionable mental state, I doubt he can take this pressure?
He's gonna blow!
If he thought life was tough after his confession, just wait until this starts!
LMAO!
I wonder if he's still sleeping like a baby?
lmao
imo

It's her third suit, what else does she do these days except make up suits to try to get money from someone else instead of working for a living?

What a loser she is.

Bet she is all atwitter at the chance to emote on TV again. Oh, I am just SO ready to mourn now. :rolleyes:

BTW, I heard she changed her name again. What's with all the deceptions, why not just use her name?

IMO

[Grandad]

Years ago it was accepted as general knowledge that the earth was flat and thought it was more than likely you could sail over the edge.

Then, as now, many were afraid, or too ignorant, to check on, and try to understand the facts.

BWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

lol lol lol lol
oh lol lol

This response certainly proves my point.

[Grandad]

CLAIM FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGES (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/holloway_mother_on_dutch_tv_ch.php)


WOW!!! Another bogus lawsuit.

I don't know what the procedure is for getting a bogus lawsuit thrown out of court in the Netherlands is, put I predict the same result as in the previous lawsuits.

Nothing but more embarrassment for Beth nd her attorney.

It will provide fodder for trash TV for a few weeks, though.

Maybe Greta can get JQK as an analyst. He doesn't seem to be doing anything else right now.

[ortiga]

This response certainly proves my point.

I think that was nervous laughter to cover her not realizing before this that the world is NOT flat. She was probably thinking that Joran just rowed out and dumped Natalee off the edge.

[SaraSidle]

I think that was nervous laughter to cover her not realizing before this that the world is NOT flat. She was probably thinking that Joran just rowed out and dumped Natalee off the edge.

well in his interview I have to remind you he did say he had her thrown out in the ocean not knowing if she was alive or not. is that okay behavior to you?
IMO

[Grandad]

well in his interview I have to remind you he did say he had her thrown out in the ocean not knowing if she was alive or not. is that okay behavior to you?
IMO

Please find a transcript and link to his saying he threw her in the ocean.

[AMS80]

Please find a transcript and link to his saying he threw her in the ocean.

Oh my!

I have to ask...

I'm using this as an example, so bear with me. But this family that was murdered in Texas at the request of their teenage daughter (mother, two young brothers shot and stabbed, father critically injured)...was that solely the fault of the two men who did the act, or did the spoiled rotten evil daughter who helped them have anything to do with it?

My point is this...you can talk til the cows come home about how Joran could have been high when he said that or Joran never said that he dumped her blah blah blah blabbady blah. He KNEW she was thrown in that ocean and he did NOT KNOW if she was dead or alive. If not for his influence, at the very least Natalee would still be lying on that beach, or wherever the heck she had an episode. I don't care if Natalee was dead when she was dumped for eternity in a watery grave. It takes a cold person to dump someone's remains like trash, and then pointedly lied to throw her search party off track.

Wow. IMO.

[SaraSidle]

thank you I do not have a link Grandad but if you look at the interviews with Patrick that is exactly what he say. Maybe you have not seen that yet.

[Grandad]

thank you I do not have a link Grandad but if you look at the interviews with Patrick that is exactly what he say. Maybe you have not seen that yet.


I have seen the taped recordings.

In one he says he helped load Natalee's body into the boat, in another he claims he left and Daury took care of everything by himself. In either case he doesn't know to a certainty that Natalee's body was thrown into the ocean.

He never said he was in the boat, or threw her body into the ocean.

[SaraSidle]

either way your boy says he arranged to have her dumped dead or alive!!!!

[HiLife]

I agree Heyes. Ortiga almost sounds so angry with Beth that he has tunnel vision about everything else. Not to mention GD

It's ok, SaraSidle, this is what sometimes happens when you become an old lady who wears white tennis shoes, trying to recapture her youth. It is the realization of a life wasted - one becomes so bitter and guilt riddden, it spills out to people they don't even know.

If it is true that "ignorance is bliss" - those two are delirious! :biggrin:

[HiLife]

If I was Beth, I'd be afraid..... very afraid! lol lol
Seriously, with joran supporters you either get an insult or they get catty about Beth. Nothing about the case, or the murdering vandersloot of course.
Like I've been saying, when you can't defend......all that's left is to attack! :shrug:
consider the source.
:patriot:
Defending a murderer is hard work, Heyes! These people are working overtime defending a drug addict, Joran Van der Sloot, who raped, murdered and kidnapped a young woman.

I can just see the tiny minds working feverishly, trying to understand Joran's confession, yet not succeeding in realizing the guy's goose is cooked!

Joran and Anita and Paulus trying to take government-type welfare handouts (LJ!) at the expense of the poor, Aruban people backfired, thanks to Joran for exposing this greedy family's love bowl schemes. Wonder when the Aruban people will run them off the island?

Now, Paulus must find other means to make a living. It has been rumored that Paulus is involved in the Island's drug traficking trade and that he even has a wealthy mistress on the side (can't say I'd blame him for that one!).

Or maybe they can send out the two younger brothers to play in the gambling tournaments like Joran. If they have Joran's skill, they can really help the family out with their winnings!

JMO

[Grandad]

It's ok, SaraSidle, this is what sometimes happens when you become an old lady who wears white tennis shoes, trying to recapture her youth. It is the realization of a life wasted - one becomes so bitter and guilt riddden, it spills out to people they don't even know.




You mean like a forty some year old woman wearing hip huggers?

[No Nic]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml

[Luke Davis]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml

Fantastic! Thanks for the link.

[HiLife]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml

Love this and thanks, NN, I had only read the transcripts but had not seen the video! That was quite a warm reception.

Wonder how Beth has pulled off this phenomenon - how does she have everyone fooled into liking her? Hypnotism of the masses? Special force fields? Subliminal messages? Gamma rays?

Because surely it couldn't be because she is the grieving mother of a murdered girl, who has made it her life's mission to find her daughter.....or because people admire her strength and determination in having to do battle with an entire corrupt island and coming out on top.......or because people actually believe what she has to say over the words of the lying murderer Joran !

BTW, so thoughtful of you to give those (white tennis shoes) who like to repetitively watch Beth on video, something more entertaining to do. I like you because you are just considerate that way.

jmo

[SaraSidle]

Love this and thanks, NN, I had only read the transcripts but had not seen the video! That was quite a warm reception.

Wonder how Beth has pulled off this phenomenon - how does she have everyone fooled into liking her? Hypnotism of the masses? Special force fields? Subliminal messages? Gamma rays?

Because surely it couldn't be because she is the grieving mother of a murdered girl, who has made it her life's mission to find her daughter.....or because people admire her strength and determination in having to do battle with an entire corrupt island and coming out on top.......or because people actually believe what she has to say over the words of the lying murderer Joran !

BTW, so thoughtful of you to give those (white tennis shoes) who like to repetitively watch Beth on video, something more entertaining to do. I like you because you are just considerate that way.

jmo

you rule HiLife IMO

[HiLife]

you rule HiLife IMO

So does your clever nic, SS! :tongue:

[Luke Davis]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml




O/T

I'm wondering No Nic, was Bud Larson ever officially declared dead? I could research it but thought you might know and save me the trouble.

TIA:hat:

[Grandad]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml

You really think when a TH kowtows to Beth to get her on his show for a salacious segment of sensational TV he's vindicating her?

If she wants to be taken seriously, she should get someone to help her with her wardrobe. She wants to come off as a grieving mother, not a teen aged rock singer.

[HiLife]

You really think when a TH kowtows to Beth to get her on his show for a salacious segment of sensational TV he's vindicating her?

If she wants to be taken seriously, she should get someone to help her with her wardrobe. She wants to come off as a grieving mother, not a teen aged rock singer.

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people - Eleanor Roosevelt

[No Nic]

O/T

I'm wondering No Nic, was Bud Larson ever officially declared dead? I could research it but thought you might know and save me the trouble.

TIA:hat:

I have nothing official, but I can assume with relative certainty that after being mysteriously missing since the 1st day of his vacation on Aruba for 9 yrs., he has most likely been declared officially dead.

When you disappear on Aruba..........you stay disappeared. Very scary. :chicken:

[longrider]

How Do You Knowhe Murdered Her?

[Luke Davis]

I have nothing official, but I can assume with relative certainty that after being mysteriously missing since the 1st day of his vacation on Aruba for 9 yrs., he has most likely been declared officially dead.

When you disappear on Aruba..........you stay disappeared. Very scary. :chicken:Thank you No Nic, I assumed the same.

If my daughter was in the same situation as Natalee, I think I would have her declared dead and have some sort of memorial service. Something similar to Laci Peterson before her remains were found. But I realize not everyone is like me, and Dave and Beth may feel very differently.

Just seems it would be healthy to have some sort of finality and a chance at closure for family and friends.

IMO

[SaraSidle]

How Do You Knowhe Murdered Her?

How do you know he did not after 20 hours of confessing on tape?

[ortiga]

You really think when a TH kowtows to Beth to get her on his show for a salacious segment of sensational TV he's vindicating her?

If she wants to be taken seriously, she should get someone to help her with her wardrobe. She wants to come off as a grieving mother, not a teen aged rock singer.


I sure did notice the difference in the sober, heartbroken looks on the faces of the other guests, (re OJ case) vs the smirky smirky oh gosh oh golly look on barbie, I mean Beth.

[Heyes]

I thought "white tennis shoes" needed a little new material so I will post this video of Beth on a dutch program. Can't help but note the reception she gets from the audience and how the host views Joran. More proof that Beth has been vindicated and Joran has been revealed for the monster he is.

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/seizoen2008.xml

Thanks No Nic!
What a great show!
The reception towards Beth was genuine and heartfelt. It made me feel good to see the peoples feelings towards her.
I watched the next days show where they have Peter DeVries and Patrick on with Beth. They actually called joran.... lol lol it was a hoot, once joran heard who it was he hung up, but the gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical. Dumb joran hasn't even changed his phone #. LOL LOL.
Joran seems to be the biggest on going joke in the N.L. right now! I love how things backfired on the vandersloots. Awwwww sweet justice~
Beth has absolutely been vindicated. She is right, jorans he** has just begun.
The silence from his mommy an daury...uh..daddy is very telling at this point. An absolute pleasure but telling.
imo

[Heyes]

Love this and thanks, NN, I had only read the transcripts but had not seen the video! That was quite a warm reception.

Wonder how Beth has pulled off this phenomenon - how does she have everyone fooled into liking her? Hypnotism of the masses? Special force fields? Subliminal messages? Gamma rays?

Because surely it couldn't be because she is the grieving mother of a murdered girl, who has made it her life's mission to find her daughter.....or because people admire her strength and determination in having to do battle with an entire corrupt island and coming out on top.......or because people actually believe what she has to say over the words of the lying murderer Joran !

BTW, so thoughtful of you to give those (white tennis shoes) who like to repetitively watch Beth on video, something more entertaining to do. I like you because you are just considerate that way.

jmo


LMAO @ "white tennis shoes"! and "gamma rays" lol lol lol
Excellent post. Well said as always!
:beer:
She looked great didn't she?
It must be a hard job convincing others they should hate someone so repected and poised and attractive as Beth. Makes the joran supporters job that much tougher I would suppose. What's so funny is the longer Beth is around the more popular she becomes! Natalee would be so proud of her mom!
What a little power house!


The murderer is gonna blow!
How long can he take the world laughing at him????????
imo

[Heyes]

I sure did notice the difference in the sober, heartbroken looks on the faces of the other guests, (re OJ case) vs the smirky smirky oh gosh oh golly look on barbie, I mean Beth.

Barbie?
Pretty women bother you I see!


meow

[Grandad]

Thank you No Nic, I assumed the same.

If my daughter was in the same situation as Natalee, I think I would have her declared dead and have some sort of memorial service.

<snip>

Anyone can have a memorial service whenever they want, but there are laws that specify when, under particular circumstances, someone can be declared dead.

In different judiciaries a missing person will be declared dead in from five to seven years after he/she went missing. Under circumstances such as 9-11, or the sinking of the Titanic, the court will generally declare the missing victims dead as of the day of the tragedy, without bodies having been recovered.

There don't appear to be any circumstances that would provoke any court in Aruba to declare Natalee dead at this time.

[Luke Davis]

Anyone can have a memorial service whenever they want, but there are laws that specify when, under particular circumstances, someone can be declared dead.

In different judiciaries a missing person will be declared dead in from five to seven years after he/she went missing. Under circumstances such as 9-11, or the sinking of the Titanic, the court will generally declare the missing victims dead as of the day of the tragedy, without bodies having been recovered.

There don't appear to be any circumstances that would provoke any court in Aruba to declare Natalee dead at this time.

If it was me, I would attempt to have her declared dead in Alabama. I don't really see any opposition there. Or perhaps not do it at all. It is more of a sentimental thing than a legal necessity.


IMO:hat:

[Grandad]

If it was me, I would attempt to have her declared dead in Alabama. I don't really see any opposition there. Or perhaps not do it at all. It is more of a sentimental thing than a legal necessity.


IMO:hat:

Natalee didn't disappear from Alabama. She was last seen in Aruba. An Aruban court, not an Alabaman court has jurisdiction as to whether or not to declare Natalee dead.

It's not a matter of whether or not there's any opposition to declaring Natalee dead in Alabama, nor is it a matter of sentimentality. It's a legal issue.

[Luke Davis]

Natalee didn't disappear from Alabama. She was last seen in Aruba. An Aruban court, not an Alabaman court has jurisdiction as to whether or not to declare Natalee dead.

It's not a matter of whether or not there's any opposition to declaring Natalee dead in Alabama, nor is it a matter of sentimentality. It's a legal issue.

A man recently went missing in Nevada but was a resident of Illinois and was declared dead in his home state. Since Natalee was a minor and on vacation I don't know the legality.

IMO

[fairmaiden]

Thanks No Nic!
What a great show!
The reception towards Beth was genuine and heartfelt. It made me feel good to see the peoples feelings towards her.
I watched the next days show where they have Peter DeVries and Patrick on with Beth. They actually called joran.... lol lol it was a hoot, once joran heard who it was he hung up, but the gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical. Dumb joran hasn't even changed his phone #. LOL LOL.
Joran seems to be the biggest on going joke in the N.L. right now! I love how things backfired on the vandersloots. Awwwww sweet justice~
Beth has absolutely been vindicated. She is right, jorans he** has just begun.
The silence from his mommy an daury...uh..daddy is very telling at this point. An absolute pleasure but telling.
imo

Heyes .... I'm having a problem understanding this post. You said you watched some show where they had DeVries and Patrick on, along with Beth. They actually called Joran ????????????, and, of course, "it was a hoot", and the "gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical".

Just a simple question .... how could there be "gales of laughter coming from ANY audience", when dealing with this subject ??

How tragic .... It sounds like the "Tonight Show" ....


JMO

[Heyes]

Heyes .... I'm having a problem understanding this post. You said you watched some show where they had DeVries and Patrick on, along with Beth. They actually called Joran ????????????, and, of course, "it was a hoot", and the "gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical".

Just a simple question .... how could there be "gales of laughter coming from ANY audience", when dealing with this subject ??

How tragic .... It sounds like the "Tonight Show" ....


JMO


Because people get delight in harrassing a killer. I know I do!
No one was laughing when it came to what joran did to Natalee.
No one was laughing when pictures of Natalee where shown. But when it comes to mocking joran and his family..........laughter all around.
Fair, really it's ok to laugh at joran, it has nothing to do with the serious subject of Natalee's death.
The disrespect was centered 100% towards joran.Where it belongs.
No need to worry.
It was pretty funny.
Keep in mind this was a Dutch audience! Joran is a laughing stock over there.
In fact they are now as outraged as we are. With Beth's book in the stores in the NL's, more and more people are seeing what joran, his uselesss parents and the ALE have done to this family. Hopefully harrassing joran will become a new sport for the Dutch! lol lol lol
imo

[fairmaiden]

Because people get delight in harrassing a killer. I know I do!
No one was laughing when it came to what joran did to Natalee.
No one was laughing when pictures of Natalee where shown. But when it comes to mocking joran and his family..........laughter all around.
Fair, really it's ok to laugh at joran, it has nothing to do with the serious subject of Natalee's death.
The disrespect was centered 100% towards joran.Where it belongs.
No need to worry.
It was pretty funny.
Keep in mind this was a Dutch audience! Joran is a laughing stock over there.
In fact they are now as outraged as we are. With Beth's book in the stores in the NL's, more and more people are seeing what joran, his uselesss parents and the ALE have done to this family. Hopefully harrassing joran will become a new sport for the Dutch! lol lol lol
imo

Well, I guess it boils down to what one considers "appropriate" , Heyes.

It all seems to be "entertainment" to some, when I see nothing "entertaining" about any of it.

JMO

[terrysdoor]

Well, I guess it boils down to what one considers "appropriate" , Heyes.

It all seems to be "entertainment" to some, when I see nothing "entertaining" about any of it.

JMO

Hello Fair............. I can`t understand how anyone could possiably laugh about any of this.....to me it is tragic for both families IMO i know Beth has lost her daughter but no mother would want her family to be in the situation the VDS are in IMO

[Heyes]

Well, I guess it boils down to what one considers "appropriate" , Heyes.

It all seems to be "entertainment" to some, when I see nothing "entertaining" about any of it.

JMO

lighten up.
It was funny.
watch it! You'll have a laugh.

I will agree, there is nothing entertaining about Natalee or the circumstances of her death.
joran on the other hand is a joke, and will be treated as such.
And that my dear is funny.
imo

[Heyes]

Hello Fair............. I can`t understand how anyone could possiably laugh about any of this.....to me it is tragic for both families IMO i know Beth has lost her daughter but no mother would want her family to be in the situation the VDS are in IMO

The vandersloots's created the situation they are in.
All I can say is ...
Oh Well!
:shrug:

[SukiJane]

Well, I guess it boils down to what one considers "appropriate" , Heyes.

It all seems to be "entertainment" to some, when I see nothing "entertaining" about any of it.

JMO

I think most people view Joran as a very bad person, and one who will never get the justice he deserves, therefore people turn to humor and public ridicule. I think it relieves tension, and keeps people from doing stupid things and crossing the line delivering death threats or actually killing someone that they feel deserves to die. I'm sure Joran would prefer the laughter, as humiliating as it is, to the death threats, jmo.

The same thing goes for O.J., Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, and many others...all tragic stories yet there are jokes galore and public humiliation. Even though Scott actually got a conviction and is sitting on death row, I think to many people that wasn't enough punishment.

IMO

[SukiJane]

The vandersloots's created the situation they are in.
All I can say is ...
Oh Well!
:shrug:

I agree, the VDS's chose their own path. Joran especially had many opportunities to do the right thing, yet couldn't for some reason ever tell the truth. Their plan to sit and wait it out, involve themselves with rumors and lies on the internet and on t.v, has come to a crash landing. They are outcasts, and rightly so!

jmo

[HiLife]

I think most people view Joran as a very bad person, and one who will never get the justice he deserves, therefore people turn to humor and public ridicule. I think it relieves tension, and keeps people from doing stupid things and crossing the line delivering death threats or actually killing someone that they feel deserves to die. I'm sure Joran would prefer the laughter, as humiliating as it is, to the death threats, jmo.

The same thing goes for O.J., Robert Blake, Scott Peterson, and many others...all tragic stories yet there are jokes galore and public humiliation. Even though Scott actually got a conviction and is sitting on death row, I think to many people that wasn't enough punishment.

IMO
Quick drop-in to tell you - "Killer" explanation, Suki! Funny how something so simple needs to be explained to people who think they are just sooo intelligent. :seeya: :rolleyes:

Though I must agree with Heyes, in that I don't think Joran prefers the laughter - something's going to blow with him soon!

[SukiJane]

Quick drop-in to tell you - "Killer" explanation, Suki! Funny how something so simple needs to be explained to people who think they are just sooo intelligent. :seeya: :rolleyes:

Though I must agree with Heyes, in that I don't think Joran prefers the laughter - something's going to blow with him soon!

Oh, I agree, Joran will snap...He's been caught, and this time I see no way out for him. He's trapped in his own lies, and I believe his whole life he's been able to get out of some very serious situations with little consequence. This time it's different. jmo

[HiLife]

Thanks No Nic!
What a great show!

The reception towards Beth was genuine and heartfelt. It made me feel good to see the peoples feelings towards her.
I watched the next days show where they have Peter DeVries and Patrick on with Beth. They actually called joran.... lol lol it was a hoot, once joran heard who it was he hung up, but the gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical. Dumb joran hasn't even changed his phone #. LOL LOL.

Joran seems to be the biggest on going joke in the N.L. right now! I love how things backfired on the vandersloots. Awwwww sweet justice~
Beth has absolutely been vindicated. She is right, jorans he** has just begun.
The silence from his mommy an daury...uh..daddy is very telling at this point. An absolute pleasure but telling.

imo

Just reading your account of their phone call to Joran makes me start AGAIN with tears of laughter, Heyes! It was the funniest thing ever! What a dumb azz Joran is. The Dutch have quite the sense of humor!

Hearing the audience's reaction was priceless. The audience and the rest of us have got Joran's number now. It is the best thing that could have happened from the DeVries tapes! It actually eases the frustration and anger of knowing that Joran most likely will not see prison justice - but that he will be the butt of the public's ridicule, scorn and disgust.

Joran STILL has not told the truth - his parents STILL have not come forward, contrary to their lies.......and until then......Joran and Anita and Paulus deserve this and much more. Anything to make Joran remember what he did to Natalee.

jmo

jmo

[HiLife]

Oh, I agree, Joran will snap...He's been caught, and this time I see no way out for him. He's trapped in his own lies, and I believe his whole life he's been able to get out of some very serious situations with little consequence. This time it's different. jmo

It amazes me how the Peter DeVries tapes were the catalyst and that this is the only reason to force ALL the Van der Sloots to pay the piper. These arrogant, lying enablers of his parents still have not come forward.

When I think of their trying to take some kind of "moral highground" and saying how OF COURSE if they suspected anything about Joran how they would make him come clean......yeah, right. Wonder what's taking them so long? Anita and Paulus both heard it straight from the murderers mouth.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

lighten up.
It was funny.
watch it! You'll have a laugh.

I will agree, there is nothing entertaining about Natalee or the circumstances of her death.
joran on the other hand is a joke, and will be treated as such.
And that my dear is funny.
imo

You know how Joran is often compared to OJ ?? Well, it's kinda like Fred Goldman being a guest on some TV Program ((with an audience, thus the reason I mentioned the Tonight Show)), and Jay Leno decides to place a call to OJ, and when OJ hangs up .... there are "gales of laughter" from the audience. It's just not appropriate, IMO.

Again .... I would have to say .... NOTHING about Joran is laughable.

JMO

[SukiJane]

You know how Joran is often compared to OJ ?? Well, it's kinda like Fred Goldman being a guest on some TV Program ((with an audience, thus the reason I mentioned the Tonight Show)), and Jay Leno decides to place a call to OJ, and when OJ hangs up .... there are "gales of laughter" from the audience. It's just not appropriate, IMO.

Again .... I would have to say .... NOTHING about Joran is laughable.

JMO

Maybe you should call the show and complain, and say that you, as an American, were appalled and thought laughing at Joran was inappropriate behavior! They'd probably even take your call on the air! LOL

[Luke Davis]

Heyes .... I'm having a problem understanding this post. You said you watched some show where they had DeVries and Patrick on, along with Beth. They actually called Joran ????????????, and, of course, "it was a hoot", and the "gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical".

Just a simple question .... how could there be "gales of laughter coming from ANY audience", when dealing with this subject ??

How tragic .... It sounds like the "Tonight Show" ....


JMO

I think the link was posted above. Now, Patrick claims to know who "Daury" is. Joran offered him 2,000 Euros to not tell. Patrick is writing a book and expects to make millions.

IMO

[No Nic]

I think the link was posted above. Now, Patrick claims to know who "Daury" is. Joran offered him 2,000 Euros to not tell. Patrick is writing a book and expects to make millions.

IMO

An I hope he does make millions. More humiliation for Joran and the Sloots, their plan to make millions flops and the man who took them all down actually makes millions. I think Patrick has much, much more to say about Joran and the Sloots and I, for one, would love to hear it.

[Heyes]

Maybe you should call the show and complain, and say that you, as an American, were appalled and thought laughing at Joran was inappropriate behavior! They'd probably even take your call on the air! LOL


LMAO!

[Heyes]

An I hope he does make millions. More humiliation for Joran and the Sloots, their plan to make millions flops and the man who took them all down actually makes millions. I think Patrick has much, much more to say about Joran and the Sloots and I, for one, would love to hear it.
Shoot!
I'd pre order it today!
lol

[ortiga]

You know how Joran is often compared to OJ ?? Well, it's kinda like Fred Goldman being a guest on some TV Program ((with an audience, thus the reason I mentioned the Tonight Show)), and Jay Leno decides to place a call to OJ, and when OJ hangs up .... there are "gales of laughter" from the audience. It's just not appropriate, IMO.

Again .... I would have to say .... NOTHING about Joran is laughable.

JMO

Isn't that "funny", FM. The new reality show....have a loved one go missing, become a glossy talk show attendee, ready with the jokes and laughter, please donate. Have a loved one go missing, ask the public for a lot of money and never give an accounting of it, get a bunch of facial alterations, fly across the atlantic, jumping at a chance to go on TV, hear what the tape is all about and cry the second time for the camera. That Dutch program was very illuminating, Beth came on with some sort of sequins on her dress, and did all the little faces while she told her story with the umpteenth variation on it. Then, they had a spot with the relatives of the wife of OJ, and their faces were so somber, so heartbroken, so serious, and so sad. Switch back to Beth with her little smirks, giggles, flippancy. I sure hope they don't make little Madeleine's parents share the stage with someone shallow like Beth.

[ortiga]

Maybe you should call the show and complain, and say that you, as an American, were appalled and thought laughing at Joran was inappropriate behavior! They'd probably even take your call on the air! LOL

They were trivializing the disappearance of Natalee. And the mother of Natalee is trying to get more money from the frivolity. But, as Beth once said, it's no longer about Natalee. Man oh man, was she right. And it was her sole decision to make light of Natalee's disappearance and to change her vocation to one of asking money from the public from being a teacher before.

Ask yourself this: Do you think the reality skit would have taken place if Dave Holloway would have been on the program? Of course not.

There is a huge difference in the seriousness of the 2 parents, the grieving, the pure sadness and sense of loss. Watch Dave's face sometime on TV, during one of the very few appearances he makes. Then, watch the mother's. You can tell who the grieving parent is, and it's not the one that sent the woman on the drinking vacation.

In the past I've had some criticism of some of Dave's actions, like writing that book so soon, but in comparison with that woman he luckily got rid of, he is 110% class act.

[fairmaiden]

They were trivializing the disappearance of Natalee. And the mother of Natalee is trying to get more money from the frivolity. But, as Beth once said, it's no longer about Natalee. Man oh man, was she right. And it was her sole decision to make light of Natalee's disappearance and to change her vocation to one of asking money from the public from being a teacher before.

Ask yourself this: Do you think the reality skit would have taken place if Dave Holloway would have been on the program? Of course not.

There is a huge difference in the seriousness of the 2 parents, the grieving, the pure sadness and sense of loss. Watch Dave's face sometime on TV, during one of the very few appearances he makes. Then, watch the mother's. You can tell who the grieving parent is, and it's not the one that sent the woman on the drinking vacation.

In the past I've had some criticism of some of Dave's actions, like writing that book so soon, but in comparison with that woman he luckily got rid of, he is 110% class act.

Hi ortiga .... I'm having these dreaded computer problems ....

I thought of what you said when I first heard about this. Dave Holloway would NOT sit through something like that. You're correct, it WAS trivializing Natalee's disappearance. Just the venue itself was inappropriate.

There's a sense of utter sadness and genuine sorrow when it comes to Dave Holloway.

It just amazes me what a "money-maker" Natalee's disappearance has turned out to be. I can't think of a person who is not out for a share of that glorious pot . It disgusts me.

JMO

[Grandad]

They were trivializing the disappearance of Natalee. And the mother of Natalee is trying to get more money from the frivolity. But, as Beth once said, it's no longer about Natalee. Man oh man, was she right. And it was her sole decision to make light of Natalee's disappearance and to change her vocation to one of asking money from the public from being a teacher before.

Ask yourself this: Do you think the reality skit would have taken place if Dave Holloway would have been on the program? Of course not.

There is a huge difference in the seriousness of the 2 parents, the grieving, the pure sadness and sense of loss. Watch Dave's face sometime on TV, during one of the very few appearances he makes. Then, watch the mother's. You can tell who the grieving parent is, and it's not the one that sent the woman on the drinking vacation.

In the past I've had some criticism of some of Dave's actions, like writing that book so soon, but in comparison with that woman he luckily got rid of, he is 110% class act.

I have to admit I've criticized Dave, and even made fun of him, but I think he's one of the victims in this case.

I really don't know why he agreed to participate in the joke of a book and allow his name to be attached to it, and I think he was ill advised to set up a non-profit foundation and peddle knockoffs of one of Natalee's childhood dresses, but I have no doubt he was literally tricked into participating in the bogus lawsuits.

I'm afraid all in all he let his emotions override his sense of ethics.

It's unfortunate he didn't have someone who wasn't emotionally involved, and who had more objectivity to guide him.

[Heyes]

Isn't that "funny", FM. The new reality show....have a loved one go missing, become a glossy talk show attendee, ready with the jokes and laughter, please donate. Have a loved one go missing, ask the public for a lot of money and never give an accounting of it, get a bunch of facial alterations, fly across the atlantic, jumping at a chance to go on TV, hear what the tape is all about and cry the second time for the camera. That Dutch program was very illuminating, Beth came on with some sort of sequins on her dress, and did all the little faces while she told her story with the umpteenth variation on it. Then, they had a spot with the relatives of the wife of OJ, and their faces were so somber, so heartbroken, so serious, and so sad. Switch back to Beth with her little smirks, giggles, flippancy. I sure hope they don't make little Madeleine's parents share the stage with someone shallow like Beth.

Since your using the Goldmans as your example, did you know that Kim Goldman admitting that when she heard that oranthal was arrested for armed robbery she said she got a giggle out of it? OMG!! A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!!!!! Guess we better put her in (add threatening music here)********......Beth's catagory! I'll tell ya another secret. Mr. Goldman laughed about it too! AND they will go after oranthal for the rest of that killers life. You may not understand why these families do what they do. But most of the rest of us get it~ ;)
I know it's really hard for your to handle, BUT even though Beth had sequins on her dress
:eek:
joran is still the killer!
killer outways sequins everytime!
:patriot:
imo

[Grandad]

I think the link was posted above. Now, Patrick claims to know who "Daury" is. Joran offered him 2,000 Euros to not tell. Patrick is writing a book and expects to make millions.

IMO

Do you think Patrick scammed DeVries? That he got some info from Joran and didn't turn it over to DeVries?

I don't think DeVries is the kind of guy who would just laugh that off.

If Patrick does make a buck, I'm sure DeVries would sue him, and possibly bring criminal charges.

[Grandad]

<snip>
AND they [the Goldmans] will go after oranthal for the rest of that killers life. You may not understand why these families do what they do. But most of the rest of us get it~ ;)

<snip>

Do you really believe all the Goldmans want is justice?

The fact that they won their case should have given them all the justice they wanted.

The Goldmans, like Beth, want money. They're just not quite as obnoxious as Beth.

[Heyes]

Do you really believe all the Goldmans want is justice?

The fact that they won their case should have given them all the justice they wanted.

The Goldmans, like Beth, want money. They're just not quite as obnoxious as Beth.


Like I said....some or should I say, a couple of people do not understand why these families do what they do.........

But the rest of us get it!
:seeya:

[HiLife]

Maybe you should call the show and complain, and say that you, as an American, were appalled and thought laughing at Joran was inappropriate behavior! They'd probably even take your call on the air! LOL

They'd take her call on the air.......and go into MORE gales of laughter and say......."those wacky Americans!"

omg - picturing this brings me to tears of laughter!!!

jmo

[HiLife]

An I hope he does make millions. More humiliation for Joran and the Sloots, their plan to make millions flops and the man who took them all down actually makes millions. I think Patrick has much, much more to say about Joran and the Sloots and I, for one, would love to hear it.

I agree. How ironic it would be for Patrick to make the money that the Van der Sloots thought they would be making! While they do hold special status - parents of the murderer - Patrick is a far more interesting character. No money for the Sloot Love bowls. Awwww. Looks like Paulus will have to work for a living after all.

If Patrick did double-cross Peter DeVries, then it would make the book all the more interesting! Why would Peter be mad? Didn't he enjoy phenomenal ratings from what they did show? Isn't the ultimate goal to find what happened to Natalee? Find the real "Daury?"

jmo

[No Nic]

I agree. How ironic it would be for Patrick to make the money that the Van der Sloots thought they would be making! While they do hold special status - parents of the murderer - Patrick is a far more interesting character. No money for the Sloot Love bowls. Awwww. Looks like Paulus will have to work for a living after all.

If Patrick did double-cross Peter DeVries, then it would make the book all the more interesting! Why would Peter be mad? Didn't he enjoy phenomenal ratings from what they did show? Isn't the ultimate goal to find what happened to Natalee? Find the real "Daury?"

jmo

I have no doubt that absolutely nothing will become of these latest revelations (Patrick double crossed DeVries and the OM is "looking" for Patrick, etc.), just like the two "investigative physics" that had the goods on Beth. What happened to them ?? crawled back under their rock, would be my guess.


All feeble attempts to put Joran and the Sloots back on that pedestal that they have crashed down from. Once again, it ain't gonna work. lol No one cares who Joran confessed to, all that matters is that he confessed.

imo

[HiLife]

I have no doubt that absolutely nothing will become of these latest revelations (Patrick double crossed DeVries and the OM is "looking" for Patrick, etc.), just like the two "investigative physics" that had the goods on Beth. What happened to them ?? crawled back under their rock, would be my guess.

All feeble attempts to put Joran and the Sloots back on that pedestal that they have crashed down from. Once again, it ain't gonna work. lol No one cares who Joran confessed to, all that matters is that he confessed.

imo

So true. Everyone else is bad or lying - not Joran. Unfortunately for the sporter supporters, nothing can take away what came directly out of Joran's mouth.

All the RUmors have fallen by the wayside.....or into the ditch (der sloot), where they belong. ;)

jmo

[Chocoholic]

Do you really believe all the Goldmans want is justice?

The fact that they won their case should have given them all the justice they wanted.

The Goldmans, like Beth, want money. They're just not quite as obnoxious as Beth.

I know this is trivial but a few minor differences.

Dead bodies were found in the OJ case.

OJ was found to be criminally liable responsible for said deaths.

Natalee is just missing.

[monaLiSakitty]

Isn't that "funny", FM. The new reality show....have a loved one go missing, become a glossy talk show attendee, ready with the jokes and laughter, please donate. Have a loved one go missing, ask the public for a lot of money and never give an accounting of it, get a bunch of facial alterations, fly across the atlantic, jumping at a chance to go on TV, hear what the tape is all about and cry the second time for the camera. That Dutch program was very illuminating, Beth came on with some sort of sequins on her dress, and did all the little faces while she told her story with the umpteenth variation on it. Then, they had a spot with the relatives of the wife of OJ, and their faces were so somber, so heartbroken, so serious, and so sad. Switch back to Beth with her little smirks, giggles, flippancy. I sure hope they don't make little Madeleine's parents share the stage with someone shallow like Beth.

So because Beth had sequins on her clothing she should be criticized for it? Would you rather her throw on a pair of sweats and a t-shirt for her interview? Or some type of business suit? I just do not understand why it is even an issue how Beth dresses.

[No Nic]

Isn't that "funny", FM. The new reality show....have a loved one go missing, become a glossy talk show attendee, ready with the jokes and laughter, please donate. Have a loved one go missing, ask the public for a lot of money and never give an accounting of it, get a bunch of facial alterations, fly across the atlantic, jumping at a chance to go on TV, hear what the tape is all about and cry the second time for the camera. That Dutch program was very illuminating, Beth came on with some sort of sequins on her dress, and did all the little faces while she told her story with the umpteenth variation on it. Then, they had a spot with the relatives of the wife of OJ, and their faces were so somber, so heartbroken, so serious, and so sad. Switch back to Beth with her little smirks, giggles, flippancy. I sure hope they don't make little Madeleine's parents share the stage with someone shallow like Beth.

Then, they had a spot with the relatives of the wife of OJ, :confused: :confused: :confused: That's not who I saw.

Now I understand, you have no clue, that is why YOUR posts are "shallow" and filled with envy and jealousy.

imo

[No Nic]

So because Beth had sequins on her clothing she should be criticized for it? Would you rather her throw on a pair of sweats and a t-shirt for her interview? Or some type of business suit? I just do not understand why it is even an issue how Beth dresses.

Beth should have been wearing *old lady white tennis shoes*, then the OP could relate. :biggrin:

[HiLife]

Beth should have been wearing *old lady white tennis shoes*, then the OP could relate. :biggrin:

ROFLMBO!!!!!! Ain't that the truth!!! LOLOLOL!!!!

[Heyes]

So because Beth had sequins on her clothing she should be criticized for it? Would you rather her throw on a pair of sweats and a t-shirt for her interview? Or some type of business suit? I just do not understand why it is even an issue how Beth dresses.


Well, we've seen what is considered appropriate on Planet Vandersloot.
Sequins and looking youthful are OUT!
Big, gigantic white bras and see through shirts are IN!

And bad hairdo's! They seem to be all the rage on Panet Vandersloot!
lol

imo
:D

[Chocoholic]

So because Beth had sequins on her clothing she should be criticized for it? Would you rather her throw on a pair of sweats and a t-shirt for her interview? Or some type of business suit? I just do not understand why it is even an issue how Beth dresses.

We've seen beth with the low cut shirts and the hip-huggers. That was back in the day before she declared Natalee dead on June 10, 2005. After that the trust funds rocketed and the newly acquired face, friends and closet fillers were easily come by. Gone were the days of looking like a working woman.

[Chocoholic]

Heyes .... I'm having a problem understanding this post. You said you watched some show where they had DeVries and Patrick on, along with Beth. They actually called Joran ????????????, and, of course, "it was a hoot", and the "gales of laughter coming from the audience was hysterical".

Just a simple question .... how could there be "gales of laughter coming from ANY audience", when dealing with this subject ??

How tragic .... It sounds like the "Tonight Show" ....


JMO


This belies the comments left by those who watched the show who wonder where all the money went and where Natalee is hiding.

http://prod43.ad.nl/holloway/2103835/Moeder_Holloway_op_divan_bij_Jensen.html?pageNavTy pe=all#reactie

[Heyes]

We've seen beth with the low cut shirts and the hip-huggers. That was back in the day before she declared Natalee dead on June 10, 2005. After that the trust funds rocketed and the newly acquired face, friends and closet fillers were easily come by. Gone were the days of looking like a working woman.


Can't ya just feel the jealousy?

meeeeeeeow~

[Heyes]

I know this is trivial but a few minor differences.

Dead bodies were found in the OJ case.

OJ was found to be criminally liable responsible for said deaths.

Natalee is just missing.
Living in a cave?
The reason the Goldmans are compared with the Holloways both here and abroad is because in each case there is a murderer who got away with murdering these peoples precious daughters!
Boy your behind the times.
Must be hard being one of the last few holdouts that believe the killers (jorans), words.
oh well........
Here's to your on-going embarrassment! :beer:
imo

[cassidy]

Living in a cave?
The reason the Goldmans are compared with the Holloways both here and abroad is because in each case there is a murderer who got away with murdering these peoples precious daughters!
Boy your behind the times.
Must be hard being one of the last few holdouts that believe the killers (jorans), words.
oh well........
Here's to your on-going embarrassment! :beer:
imo

Ummmm...the Goldman's lost a son. FYI

[No Nic]

Ummmm...the Goldman's lost a son. FYI

Ummmm... and OJ was not "found to be criminally liable responsible for said deaths", FYI, at least be fair and point out your *buddy Choc's* error, too. :D

[Heyes]

Ummmm...the Goldman's lost a son. FYI

your right. I'll change that to ...precious son and daughter. or so your happy.... precious children!
Anywho that's why there is a comparison.
oranthal and joran are murderers who got away with their crime.
imo

[Heyes]

Ummmm... and OJ was not "found to be criminally liable responsible for said deaths", FYI, at least be fair and point out your *buddy Choc's* error, too. :D

lol ain't gonna happen!

How ya doing No Nic?
:seeya:

[Grandad]

Can't ya just feel the jealousy?

meeeeeeeow~


Do you really believe there's anyone on this planet who's jealous of Beth?

[Chocoholic]

Living in a cave?
The reason the Goldmans are compared with the Holloways both here and abroad is because in each case there is a murderer who got away with murdering these peoples precious daughters!
Boy your behind the times.
Must be hard being one of the last few holdouts that believe the killers (jorans), words.
oh well........
Here's to your on-going embarrassment! :beer:
imo

Your personal insults might make you feel better but it does nothing to show that there is proof of a crime. Even IF Joran had confessed to LE that he had murdered Natalee they would have to have proof. Not even the FBI could knit that together.

[Chocoholic]

Do you really believe there's anyone on this planet who's jealous of Beth?

Oh yes, the adoring fans. :eek:

[Heyes]

Your personal insults might make you feel better but it does nothing to show that there is proof of a crime. Even IF Joran had confessed to LE that he had murdered Natalee they would have to have proof. Not even the FBI could knit that together.

Thanks to a very corrupt aruba, your exactly right!
No Body, No Case~
There is always, *Lie till ya die.* that must be in their motto somewhere.
Good thing we have social justice. That should take care of the vandersloots, and joran will screw up down the road. He'll end up doing time, for what we don't know yet but he will get in trouble again. That's just who he is. A criminal at heart. That's what he thinks cool, that's what he looks up to. That's who he wants to be. That's just the type of creature anita and paulus raised. Bet they never thought in their lives they would ever have to live with this kind public humiliation and scorn. Ha .....serves them right.

imo

[Luke Davis]

On the Record tonight, discussed a lawsuit by AHATA against Greta. Some might want to catch the repeat of the show. It is discussed near the end.

[Luke Davis]

On the Record tonight, discussed a lawsuit by AHATA against Greta. Some might want to catch the repeat of the show. It is discussed near the end.

lawsuit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorDI9EzrF4)

[Grandad]

lawsuit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorDI9EzrF4)

I can't get the last minute of the tape, so my comments may not make sense, but what makes Greta think she could depose members of ALE if the hotel association sues her, and why doesn't she identify the lawyer who sent her the letter?

Maybe we're seeing an example of creating the news, instead of reporting it.

[HiLife]

Ummmm...the Goldman's lost a son. FYI

My, my. What would we do without yet another example of your illuminating contributions to the discussions here. We're all smart enough to know exactly what Heyes meant.

[Luke Davis]

I can't get the last minute of the tape, so my comments may not make sense, but what makes Greta think she could depose members of ALE if the hotel association sues her, and why doesn't she identify the lawyer who sent her the letter?

Maybe we're seeing an example of creating the news, instead of reporting it.

They took the whole situation in a lighthearted fashion. Perhaps it is a fake. I doubt it was news.

[Heyes]

Thanks once again Luke for the link!
LOL, little ignorant aruba is trying to take away Americans "Freedom of speech".
Who instructed the knuckleheads down there that this was a good idea?

LMAO!

Are they suing Tacopina? Cohen? They didn't have very nice things to say about that he** hole either. lol lol lol lol
imo

[Luke Davis]

Thanks once again Luke for the link!
LOL, little ignorant aruba is trying to take away Americans "Freedom of speech".
Who instructed the knuckleheads down there that this was a good idea?

LMAO!

Are they suing Tacopina? Cohen? They didn't have very nice things to say about that he** hole either. lol lol lol lol
imo

IIRC AHATA just got a new public relations firm. Perhaps they thought this was a good idea. Natalee's aunt always did a good job, wonder why they switched.

[No Nic]

Thanks once again Luke for the link!
LOL, little ignorant aruba is trying to take away Americans "Freedom of speech".
Who instructed the knuckleheads down there that this was a good idea?

LMAO!

Are they suing Tacopina? Cohen? They didn't have very nice things to say about that he** hole either. lol lol lol lol
imo


Hey, Heyes, what do you expect. Intimidation and threats work in Aruba (keeps all them lowly citizens in line), works good enough they think it will work in the US.

Oops, I think they are WRONG. :patriot:

[Heyes]

Hey, Heyes, what do you expect. Intimidation and threats work in Aruba (keeps all them lowly citizens in line), works good enough they think it will work in the US.

Oops, I think they are WRONG. :patriot:

I don't know what to think. I don't think like these knuckleheads think in aruba. All I know is they have a strange way to drum up tourism. Threaten Greta? Are you freakin kidding me? It is such a joke. If these complete nutballs know any law at all they wouldn't bother threatening to sue an Amercian for telling the truth. Unbelievable.
I think your right, intimidation and threats do seem to work down on dirt and weed island. We know after seeing anita yapping on the interview that she thought threatening a law suit against Beth was a wonderful idea. Look what happened to her! LMAO! Hasn't showed her bloated mug since the confession of murder her son willingly gave to his idol, The big bad criminal......or so he thought!
LOL
Ya just couldn't write this stuff!
imo

[ortiga]

So because Beth had sequins on her clothing she should be criticized for it? Would you rather her throw on a pair of sweats and a t-shirt for her interview? Or some type of business suit? I just do not understand why it is even an issue how Beth dresses.

Twitty is making lemonade. Best to dress and revise one's body to sell the most of the lemonade, while it lasts.

Poor poor Natalee. If only Dave had gotten custody.

:(

[ortiga]

I know this is trivial but a few minor differences.

Dead bodies were found in the OJ case.

OJ was found to be criminally liable responsible for said deaths.

Natalee is just missing.


Hey Choco! long time no see.

You should know better than to make high falutin points like that.

:seeya:

[ortiga]

Ummmm...the Goldman's lost a son. FYI

Hey Cassidy!

But it sounds so much better to say it was a daughter.

[ortiga]

Oh yes, the adoring fans. :eek:

They do seem a little obsessed with Beth, do they have a fan club going?

[ortiga]

My, my. What would we do without yet another example of your illuminating contributions to the discussions here. We're all smart enough to know exactly what Heyes meant.

Yeah, daughter, son, what's the dif.

[ortiga]

I can't get the last minute of the tape, so my comments may not make sense, but what makes Greta think she could depose members of ALE if the hotel association sues her, and why doesn't she identify the lawyer who sent her the letter?

Maybe we're seeing an example of creating the news, instead of reporting it.


I think I have conquered my impulses to watch Greta. But a few questions still linger....was JQK on with another new rug?

[ortiga]

We've seen beth with the low cut shirts and the hip-huggers. That was back in the day before she declared Natalee dead on June 10, 2005. After that the trust funds rocketed and the newly acquired face, friends and closet fillers were easily come by. Gone were the days of looking like a working woman.

She sure did abandon that gig of being a "professional speech pathologist" that could recognize Natalee's voice on the phone, preceded by a "foreign" voice. Guess "non profits" pay more.

[ortiga]

I don't know what to think. I don't think like these knuckleheads think in aruba. All I know is they have a strange way to drum up tourism. Threaten Greta? Are you freakin kidding me? It is such a joke. If these complete nutballs know any law at all they wouldn't bother threatening to sue an Amercian for telling the truth. Unbelievable.
I think your right, intimidation and threats do seem to work down on dirt and weed island. We know after seeing anita yapping on the interview that she thought threatening a law suit against Beth was a wonderful idea. Look what happened to her! LMAO! Hasn't showed her bloated mug since the confession of murder her son willingly gave to his idol, The big bad criminal......or so he thought!
LOL
Ya just couldn't write this stuff!
imo

Have you tried to peddle your dollars on the streets in foreign countries lately? Big shock for people who do travel.

[ortiga]

I don't know what to think. I don't think like these knuckleheads think in aruba. All I know is they have a strange way to drum up tourism. Threaten Greta? Are you freakin kidding me? It is such a joke. If these complete nutballs know any law at all they wouldn't bother threatening to sue an Amercian for telling the truth. Unbelievable.
I think your right, intimidation and threats do seem to work down on dirt and weed island. We know after seeing anita yapping on the interview that she thought threatening a law suit against Beth was a wonderful idea. Look what happened to her! LMAO! Hasn't showed her bloated mug since the confession of murder her son willingly gave to his idol, The big bad criminal......or so he thought!
LOL
Ya just couldn't write this stuff!
imo


You and Twitty seem to be emulating Mickey Spillane.

"When literary critics had a negative reaction to Spillane's writing, citing the high content of sex and violence, Spillane answered with a few terse comments: "Those big-shot writers could never dig the fact that there are more salted peanuts consumed than caviar... If the public likes you, you're good."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Spillane

http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/emulate

[Heyes]

Twitty is making lemonade. Best to dress and revise one's body to sell the most of the lemonade, while it lasts.

Poor poor Natalee. If only Dave had gotten custody.

:(

I agree!
Poor, Poor Natalee!
If only she had never met the vandersloots!
paulus and joran, they are the reason poor Natalee can't be found.
IMO
I wonder what they did with her when they were done getting their perverted jollies?
sick sick sick.
I worry about the next unsuspecting victim.
IMO

[Heyes]

Have you tried to peddle your dollars on the streets in foreign countries lately? Big shock for people who do travel.

Not a problem here. Profits are fantastic! Foreign companies are buying product by the busloads!
Interest rates just went down again. Life is good!

Wonder how aruba is doing with all their protests, threats by the police to not work and local OM's and their hit and runs and arrests!
lol lol lol
Hows the hotel industry there? Can't be alot of profit with the deep, deep discounts needed to get people to visit.
LMAO!

imo

[Heyes]

You and Twitty seem to be emulating Mickey Spillane.

"When literary critics had a negative reaction to Spillane's writing, citing the high content of sex and violence, Spillane answered with a few terse comments: "Those big-shot writers could never dig the fact that there are more salted peanuts consumed than caviar... If the public likes you, you're good."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Spillane

http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/emulate



LMAO!
all that research for a Mickey Spillane comment?
LMAO


:patriot:

[ortiga]

LMAO!
all that research for a Mickey Spillane comment?
LMAO


:patriot:

You think it's hard to type "mickey Spillane" into google?

Why am I not surprised.

[ortiga]

Not a problem here. Profits are fantastic! Foreign companies are buying product by the busloads!
Interest rates just went down again. Life is good!

Wonder how aruba is doing with all their protests, threats by the police to not work and local OM's and their hit and runs and arrests!
lol lol lol
Hows the hotel industry there? Can't be alot of profit with the deep, deep discounts needed to get people to visit.
LMAO!

imo

The world wide decline of the US dollar is not a problem?



:rolleyes:

[HiLife]

Yeah, daughter, son, what's the dif.

Not sure if you're mocking or agreeing, but I'll go with the most likely and say yeah, what is the diff? A murdered child is an unimaginable, heartbreaking tragedy, no matter the gender.

(I see Barack has been demoted?)

[No Nic]

They do seem a little obsessed with Beth, do they have a fan club going?


I spit my coffee when I read this. The QUEEN of Beth obsesssion saying others "seem a little obsessed". That is just tooooooo funny !!

Ortiga, when it comes to "Beth obsession", you own it.

[SaraSidle]

Twitty is making lemonade. Best to dress and revise one's body to sell the most of the lemonade, while it lasts.

Poor poor Natalee. If only Dave had gotten custody.

:(

As if it would have turned out differently? What an awful thing to say!

[ortiga]

As if it would have turned out differently? What an awful thing to say!

Not awful at all. Dave didn't want her to go on that type of vacation, and if she had absorbed his values over the more than a decade that she was under Beth's control, she probably wouldn't have wanted to go, she would have Dave's values instead of Beth and Jugs.

[SaraSidle]

You are obviously not thinking clearly here Ortiga............I would like you to find anyone offered a class trip of this nature and the student does not want to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry I was raised strict Catholic and had a wonderful senior class trip in New York City and no one could keep me from going. that is so hurtful to Beth (the mother) for you to say it.....I cannot believe you lack so much feeling that you would post it.

[Heyes]

I spit my coffee when I read this. The QUEEN of Beth obsesssion saying others "seem a little obsessed". That is just tooooooo funny !!

Ortiga, when it comes to "Beth obsession", you own it.


Did she actually post that? naw.....really? lol lol lol

[Heyes]

Not awful at all. Dave didn't want her to go on that type of vacation, and if she had absorbed his values over the more than a decade that she was under Beth's control, she probably wouldn't have wanted to go, she would have Dave's values instead of Beth and Jugs.

ya think so huh?
Is this your idea of complimenting Dave? I just don't think he would appreciate your blaming his lovely daughter for her death.. And on top of that, blaming the victim never works. People are hip to that defense so in this day and time it makes those that try sound uneducated and ridiculous. As Sara said. none of your opinions about Beth or Natalee would have changed the outcome. joran still killed Natalee. aruba still covered up the crime. The ale are still knuckleheads. paulus and anita are still humiliated by their sporter. Beth is more loved by both the Dutch and Americans now that the truth is out there. Thank you very much joran, you poor excuse for a human being.
Bummer for joran fans that there is nothing left for them to do but be catty about the victim and her mom. But what else would we expect from "adoring fans" of someone that nasty.:shrug:
imo
imo
imo

[Heyes]

You are obviously not thinking clearly here Ortiga............I would like you to find anyone offered a class trip of this nature and the student does not want to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry I was raised strict Catholic and had a wonderful senior class trip in New York City and no one could keep me from going. that is so hurtful to Beth (the mother) for you to say it.....I cannot believe you lack so much feeling that you would post it.

Believe it!

[SaraSidle]

You are obviously not thinking clearly here Ortiga............I would like you to find anyone offered a class trip of this nature and the student does not want to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry I was raised strict Catholic and had a wonderful senior class trip in New York City and no one could keep me from going. that is so hurtful to Beth (the mother) for you to say it.....I cannot believe you lack so much feeling that you would post it.

Believe it!

thank you Heyes.......I just cannot believe that post was made and that Beth is being blamed. So hurtful. I mean maybe Beth did not want Natalee to go either but you do not keep someone from their class trip and then turn around and blame a parent!!!!!!!!!!

[Heyes]

[QUOTE=Heyes;9095473]

thank you Heyes.......I just cannot believe that post was made and that Beth is being blamed. So hurtful. I mean maybe Beth did not want Natalee to go either but you do not keep someone from their class trip and then turn around and blame a parent!!!!!!!!!!

Blaming Beth and or Natalee for jorans horrific actions is the only defense left for the vandersloots and their 2 or 3 "adoring fans". When they resort to blaming the victim or her mom you know they have run out of any mature, realistic defense.
Cruel?
You bet!
But what do you expect from either a vandersloot or one of their few supporters? Just like joran, they feel that anyone that tells a VD sloot NO, or believes that joran and his family are guilty of being involved in Natalees murder, must be ridiculed and blamed. Warped isn't it?
imo

[SaraSidle]

I know you are right Heyes. I just find it sick and disgusting. Class trips are the norm. The students that go on them and their parents are not to blame if there is a crime committed. I wish they would arrest that guy and get it over with. IMO

[ortiga]

I know you are right Heyes. I just find it sick and disgusting. Class trips are the norm. The students that go on them and their parents are not to blame if there is a crime committed. I wish they would arrest that guy and get it over with. IMO


Besides the illegal drugs that De Vries said that Natalee had in possession, what crime was committed?

It's hard to arrest people when no crime has been proven to have been committed.

IMO

[SaraSidle]

Besides the illegal drugs that De Vries said that Natalee had in possession, what crime was committed?

It's hard to arrest people when no crime has been proven to have been committed.

IMO

Well I guess in your world having a woman thrown off a boat into the ocean and not knowing if she was alive or dead is not a crime. In my world it is.

[No Nic]

Well I guess in your world having a woman thrown off a boat into the ocean and not knowing if she was alive or dead is not a crime. In my world it is.

And then there is the felony sexual assault that Dompig stated was a CRIME in Aruba and that Joran admitted to committing this crime, but matters not when a *judge* decides not to consider it because said *judge* is a personal friend of the CRIMINAL's dad.

Simply because a corrupt system does not prosecute, does not in any way mean a crime was not committed.

[SaraSidle]

And then there is the felony sexual assault that Dompig stated was a CRIME in Aruba and that Joran admitted to committing this crime, but matters not when a *judge* decides not to consider it because said *judge* is a personal friend of the CRIMINAL's dad.

Simply because a corrupt system does not prosecute, does not in any way mean a crime was not committed.

Well put No Nic!!!!!!!

[Heyes]

I know you are right Heyes. I just find it sick and disgusting. Class trips are the norm. The students that go on them and their parents are not to blame if there is a crime committed. I wish they would arrest that guy and get it over with. IMO


Isn't this crazy?
sigh :shrug:
imo

[Heyes]

And then there is the felony sexual assault that Dompig stated was a CRIME in Aruba and that Joran admitted to committing this crime, but matters not when a *judge* decides not to consider it because said *judge* is a personal friend of the CRIMINAL's dad.

Simply because a corrupt system does not prosecute, does not in any way mean a crime was not committed.

I agree! Well said!

[Luke Davis]

travel safe (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-24-2008/0004779011&EDATE=)

"International travel is a wonderful and exciting experience for most
students. It should be safe as well," said Beth Holloway, President & CEO,
International Safe Travels Foundation. "I established the International
Safe Travels Foundation to help travelers of all ages plan a safer trip,
regardless of destination. The foundation encourages travelers of all ages
to prepare for trips by researching the destination fully, and becoming as
educated as possible. And most importantly we encourage parents and
students to talk openly about how to stay safe while traveling, so that
students can focus on having a good time while on their vacations."

[SaraSidle]

travel safe (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-24-2008/0004779011&EDATE=)

"International travel is a wonderful and exciting experience for most
students. It should be safe as well," said Beth Holloway, President & CEO,
International Safe Travels Foundation. "I established the International
Safe Travels Foundation to help travelers of all ages plan a safer trip,
regardless of destination. The foundation encourages travelers of all ages
to prepare for trips by researching the destination fully, and becoming as
educated as possible. And most importantly we encourage parents and
students to talk openly about how to stay safe while traveling, so that
students can focus on having a good time while on their vacations."

And this is good..........If done well it could mean more safe travel worldwide. I have experienced bad times myself over the border. I like the idea.

[Grandad]

I know you are right Heyes. I just find it sick and disgusting. Class trips are the norm. The students that go on them and their parents are not to blame if there is a crime committed. I wish they would arrest that guy and get it over with. IMO

Class trips are the norm?

How many kids were on the trip with Natalee?

130? 140?

How many kids were in her class?

400+?

[Grandad]

And this is good..........If done well it could mean more safe travel worldwide. I have experienced bad times myself over the border. I like the idea.


Funny she doesn't mention not sending naive teens on "all you can drink" junkets, and having responsible adults go along as chaperones.

[fairmaiden]

Funny she doesn't mention not sending naive teens on "all you can drink" junkets, and having responsible adults go along as chaperones.

I agree with you Grandad. I would have thought that would have been a great lesson learned from this trip.

JMO

[SaraSidle]

Class trips are the norm?

How many kids were on the trip with Natalee?

130? 140?

How many kids were in her class?

400+?

It does not make a difference how many went.......I have no idea where you are but from what I know spring break and class trips are what high school kids do..and some of them have to work very hard to earn the money for these trips.

[ortiga]

It does not make a difference how many went.......I have no idea where you are but from what I know spring break and class trips are what high school kids do..and some of them have to work very hard to earn the money for these trips.


Some kids even work at mcDonalds a couple of hours a week to buy themselves a $40,000 Toyota pickup.

[Heyes]

Some kids even work at mcDonalds a couple of hours a week to buy themselves a $40,000 Toyota pickup.

LMAO!

In your quest to degrade anything Natalee, in this case her brother, you have raised the toyota truck price up to $40,000.00??? lol
What possible point are you trying to make by this falsehood?


imo

[Heyes]

It does not make a difference how many went.......I have no idea where you are but from what I know spring break and class trips are what high school kids do..and some of them have to work very hard to earn the money for these trips.

It's a big deal for lots of kids. There are groups from almost every high school in our area that plan a trip to somewhere. What Beth is doing is wonderful and selfless. Had there not been a predator stalking the girls, this trip would have been just like any of the others. Joran, paulus and the kalpoes were the problem, not the students.
imo

[No Nic]

LMAO!

In your quest to degrade anything Natalee, in this case her brother, you have raised the toyota truck price up to $40,000.00??? lol
What possible point are you trying to make by this falsehood?


imo

Instead of being thankful for what they have, some are jealous of what others have.

Seeing this obsessive negativity towards Natalee, her family and friends for the last 3 years, this is the only answer that I see.

imo

[Luke Davis]

It's a big deal for lots of kids. There are groups from almost every high school in our area that plan a trip to somewhere. What Beth is doing is wonderful and selfless. Had there not been a predator stalking the girls, this trip would have been just like any of the others. Joran, paulus and the kalpoes were the problem, not the students.
imoI have to wonder if it is a location thing or something. I've never heard of one of these trips in my area. Some of the schools, very few, have a class trip for one day to an amusement park. Others have a lock down graduation night, where grads are locked in an area and stay up all night.

There are some church groups that go to Mexico and build/repair housing for a week. Of course, there are families who go on trips but not large groups on teenagers.

I don't think it is bad, just rare in my area.


IMO

[HiLife]

Some kids even work at mcDonalds a couple of hours a week to buy themselves a $40,000 Toyota pickup.

After so many years on this case, it never ceases to amaze me how many things you get wrong. Or maybe you're bored and make up tall tales?

Here were the 2005 prices for the Toyota Tundra - they were quite affordable at the time. I do remember, though, some posters thinking it was necessary to go into a trust fund to pay for this - :punch: :


Tundra Regular Cab
$16,155 MSRP

Tundra Access Cab
$22,590 MSRP

Tundra Double Cab
$26,620 MSRP

[Grandad]

It does not make a difference how many went.......I have no idea where you are but from what I know spring break and class trips are what high school kids do..and some of them have to work very hard to earn the money for these trips.

Of course it makes a difference. 130 out of 400 don't represent the norm, and you could probably count the number of MB kids who went on that trip on one hand, and not use several fingers.

[Grandad]

I have to wonder if it is a location thing or something. I've never heard of one of these trips in my area. Some of the schools, very few, have a class trip for one day to an amusement park. Others have a lock down graduation night, where grads are locked in an area and stay up all night.

There are some church groups that go to Mexico and build/repair housing for a week. Of course, there are families who go on trips but not large groups on teenagers.

I don't think it is bad, just rare in my area.


IMO

In my area class trips are educational oriented. Washington D.C., Williamsburg, VA, Gettysburg, PA and so forth.

[SaraSidle]

I have to wonder if it is a location thing or something. I've never heard of one of these trips in my area. Some of the schools, very few, have a class trip for one day to an amusement park. Others have a lock down graduation night, where grads are locked in an area and stay up all night.

There are some church groups that go to Mexico and build/repair housing for a week. Of course, there are families who go on trips but not large groups on teenagers.

I don't think it is bad, just rare in my area.


IMO
Well Luke we went on plenty of class trips in my all female Catholic high school. Senior year was New York City.... best time ever.

[Heyes]

Bottom line is....
It doesn't matter how much one of Natalee's relatives truck cost. :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter how many students went on group trips in their senior year.
What matters is there was a predator named joran that decided that there were American girls on "his" little island and he thought he had the right to do anything he wanted to whichever one he could get to leave with him. joran is the reason Natalee is missing. joran is the reason aruba has hit hard times. joran is the predator. Natalee is the victim. Paulus and anita are to blame for instigating the cover-up.
imo

[Heyes]

Funny she doesn't mention not sending naive teens on "all you can drink" junkets, and having responsible adults go along as chaperones.

Natalee was allowed to drink.
joran was not allowed to dispose of a body, dead or alive.
No comparison there.
joran was not allowed to drink, gamble or dispose of a young lady.
Once again, what Beth or Natalee did or didn't do, ( which was not illegal) does not change what criminal acts joran did.(which were illegal).
imo

[SaraSidle]

Natalee was allowed to drink.
joran was not allowed to dispose of a body, dead or alive.
No comparison there.
joran was not allowed to drink, gamble or dispose of a young lady.
Once again, what Beth or Natalee did or didn't do, ( which was not illegal) does not change what criminal acts joran did.(which were illegal).
imo

Very well stated Heyes

[Luke Davis]

Bottom line is....
It doesn't matter how much one of Natalee's relatives truck cost. :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter how many students went on group trips in their senior year.
What matters is there was a predator named joran that decided that there were American girls on "his" little island and he thought he had the right to do anything he wanted to whichever one he could get to leave with him. joran is the reason Natalee is missing. joran is the reason aruba has hit hard times. joran is the predator. Natalee is the victim. Paulus and anita are to blame for instigating the cover-up.
imo

There will always be illness, accidents and even predators. Parents can do little about them. Beth had no influence over Joran.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

Natalee was allowed to drink.
joran was not allowed to dispose of a body, dead or alive.
No comparison there.
joran was not allowed to drink, gamble or dispose of a young lady.
Once again, what Beth or Natalee did or didn't do, ( which was not illegal) does not change what criminal acts joran did.(which were illegal).
imo

Natalee is dead. Let's hope others learn to stay safe, things many learned in kindergarten.

[Grandad]

Natalee was allowed to drink.
joran was not allowed to dispose of a body, dead or alive.
No comparison there.
joran was not allowed to drink, gamble or dispose of a young lady.
Once again, what Beth or Natalee did or didn't do, ( which was not illegal) does not change what criminal acts joran did.(which were illegal).
imo

It's difficult to compare something that did happen with something that hasn't been proved to have happened.

It's an established fact that Natalee did drink, and drank to excess. Do you believe anyone is "allowed" to drink to excess?

On the other hand, it hasn't been established that Joran disposed of Natalee's, or anyone else's body, so you're right, there is no comparison.

Whatever happened to Natalee, it's very likely that her drinking was a contributing factor.

[SaraSidle]

It's difficult to compare something that did happen with something that hasn't been proved to have happened.

It's an established fact that Natalee did drink, and drank to excess. Do you believe anyone is "allowed" to drink to excess?

On the other hand, it hasn't been established that Joran disposed of Natalee's, or anyone else's body, so you're right, there is no comparison.

Whatever happened to Natalee, it's very likely that her drinking was a contributing factor.

Please get over blaming Beth and Natalee. Joran already stated he had her thrown in the ocean not knowing if she was dead or alive. Do you understand what that means at all?

[No Nic]

<snip>
Whatever happened to Natalee, it's very likely that her drinking was a contributing factor.

I agree with you on this sentence. If Natalee had not been drinking at CnCs with many, many other young people, she never would have had the extreme displeasure of meeting that POS, joran van der sloot, if her guard had not been down, because of drinking, she never would have left with the 3 POSs, JK2, and would be alive and well in the US today.

What Natalee was doing on the night joran van der sloot *disappeared* her, was not against the law, was no different than what thousands of young (and old) people do any day of the week. What joran did to her, imo, was wrong, immorale and illegal (anywhere but Aruba, that is).

[SaraSidle]

I am sorry No Nic but your last post is blaming the victim Natalee. Again there is no basis for this.......Joran clearly states he had her thrown in the ocean alive or dead........this is the bottom line.

[Luke Davis]

How is that post blaming Natalee? What part is not accurate? I just can't see what you see.:chicken:

[SaraSidle]

How is that post blaming Natalee? What part is not accurate? I just can't see what you see.:chicken:

I did not say it was inaccurate..I have no doubt she had to much too drink but that has nothing to do with throwing her in the ocean dead or alive.

[Luke Davis]

I did not say it was inaccurate..I have no doubt she had to much too drink but that has nothing to do with throwing her in the ocean dead or alive.Thank you for the reply. Yes, I agree, Joran is the bad guy. I just don't have a problem with people giving facts.


IMO

[SaraSidle]

Thank you for the reply. Yes, I agree, Joran is the bad guy. I just don't have a problem with people giving facts.


IMO

Yes Luke and we probably get more factual information from you than any other poster and I want you to know I really appreciate it. I have been in tropical areas and unsafe conditions so this case has my interest.

[No Nic]

I am sorry No Nic but your last post is blaming the victim Natalee. Again there is no basis for this.......Joran clearly states he had her thrown in the ocean alive or dead........this is the bottom line.


I am not blaming Natalee in any way, shape or form. I have supported Natalee and her family 1,000% since day one. I was merely pointing out to Gramps (who does blame Natalee and anyone except joran) that the only way Natalee's drinking had anything to do with her disappearance was that she was drinking when she met that POS vds, he caused her disappearance, not her drinking. Natalee had every right to consume as much as she wanted, drunk on her lips, sober as a nun, Natalee had every right to STAY ALIVE.

I am fully aware that the "bottom line" is with the bottom feeder, joran van der sloot.

[SaraSidle]

:flamemad: I agree with you No Nic 100%. I am so sorry Natalee and Beth keep getting blamed when Joran(who is not sure how to tell the truth) did say he had her thrown in the ocean dead or alive.... It just makes me sick. IMO

[Grandad]

I agree with you on this sentence. If Natalee had not been drinking at CnCs with many, many other young people, she never would have had the extreme displeasure of meeting that POS, joran van der sloot, if her guard had not been down, because of drinking, she never would have left with the 3 POSs, JK2, and would be alive and well in the US today.

What Natalee was doing on the night joran van der sloot *disappeared* her, was not against the law, was no different than what thousands of young (and old) people do any day of the week. What joran did to her, imo, was wrong, immorale and illegal (anywhere but Aruba, that is).


How can you people not understand there is no evidence Joran did anything to Natalee?

[Grandad]

Please get over blaming Beth and Natalee. Joran already stated he had her thrown in the ocean not knowing if she was dead or alive. Do you understand what that means at all?

Of course I understand what that means. He was trying tio impress Patrick because he wanted something from Patrick.

[terrysdoor]

I am sorry No Nic but your last post is blaming the victim Natalee. Again there is no basis for this.......Joran clearly states he had her thrown in the ocean alive or dead........this is the bottom line.

Hello everybody not much to talk about lately so i have not posted but this makes me wonder after everything Joran has said and lied about why is this statement the truth......... IMO

[ortiga]

I agree with you on this sentence. If Natalee had not been drinking at CnCs with many, many other young people, she never would have had the extreme displeasure of meeting that POS, joran van der sloot, if her guard had not been down, because of drinking, she never would have left with the 3 POSs, JK2, and would be alive and well in the US today.

What Natalee was doing on the night joran van der sloot *disappeared* her, was not against the law, was no different than what thousands of young (and old) people do any day of the week. What joran did to her, imo, was wrong, immorale and illegal (anywhere but Aruba, that is).

Joran said he was not interested in Natalee until she asked him to suck jello from her belly button while she was laying on the bar.

Actually I would say that Joran let his guard down by agreeing to the jello shot.

IMO

[ortiga]

:flamemad: I agree with you No Nic 100%. I am so sorry Natalee and Beth keep getting blamed when Joran(who is not sure how to tell the truth) did say he had her thrown in the ocean dead or alive.... It just makes me sick. IMO


lol "Joran (who is not sure how to tell the truth) said........."

So you make a patchwork quilt of his statements to back up your theorys?

[fairmaiden]

How is that post blaming Natalee? What part is not accurate? I just can't see what you see.:chicken:

Good Morning, Luke .... Anyone who is familiar with this case at all, would have to admit Natalee made a bad choice getting into a car with 3 "strangers". When one treads there though .... one is at risk for being accused of "blaming Natalee" for what happened to her, which is just ridiculous, IMO.

You were correct in what you said in a previous post of yours .... I can remember, when I was VERY young, being told by my parents .... "Don't ever go anywhere with someone you don't know".

JMO

[fairmaiden]

lol "Joran (who is not sure how to tell the truth) said........."

So you make a patchwork quilt of his statements to back up your theorys?

Good morning, ortiga ....

I have changed my mind somewhat about this case, but what you say is the absolute truth. People have HAD certain theories from very early in this case. Even with Joran's "confession" ((which people allude to as PROVING what he did)), certain parts of that "confession" didn't fit the preconceived thought about what happened here. So .... those parts of the "confession" are just not true !!

I agree .... when someone is trying to make a point, and backs it up with what Joran "said" at any given time, lacks a certain credibility.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Good morning, ortiga ....

I have changed my mind somewhat about this case, but what you say is the absolute truth. People have HAD certain theories from very early in this case. Even with Joran's "confession" ((which people allude to as PROVING what he did)), certain parts of that "confession" didn't fit the preconceived thought about what happened here. So .... those parts of the "confession" are just not true !!

I agree .... when someone is trying to make a point, and backs it up with what Joran "said" at any given time, lacks a certain credibility.

JMO

For some reason, I can't edit my post . My last sentence should say "IT" lacks a certain credibility.

[SaraSidle]

I do not see how someone could make up a lie about throwing someone in the ocean alive or dead. I know Joran lies but there has to be a limit.

[fairmaiden]

I do not see how someone could make up a lie about throwing someone in the ocean alive or dead. I know Joran lies but there has to be a limit.

Well, it's well known he said a FRIEND threw her in the ocean. However, THAT isn't believed either. According to those who have had a certain mindset since the beginning .... just KNOW it was Paulus who threw her in the ocean.

This is what I mean Sara .... as far as I know, there is not one piece of evidence pointing to Paulus throwing Natalee in the ocean. Have I missed it ??

JMO

[No Nic]

lol "Joran (who is not sure how to tell the truth) said........."

So you make a patchwork quilt of his statements to back up your theorys?

Joran said he was not interested in Natalee until she asked him to suck jello from her belly button while she was laying on the bar.

Actually I would say that Joran let his guard down by agreeing to the jello shot.

IMO

Is this what you mean by "patchwork quilt of his statements"? You believe him when he is negative towards Natalee, you don't believe him when he is negative towards himself. You are so very transparent.

imo