Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 6)

[Grandad]

Overturning a desk? really? who and where's the link.
And the shoving woman story is a renfro story so there is a huge crediblilty issue with that one. IMO
Still looking for excuses to justify jorans bad behavior? I thought you were sticking with the he's been so abused by the media and Beth for no reason, angle. Now he's justified because of a couple of non proven rumors? Interesting.

IMO

Once again you prove you respond to posts you didn't bother to read, or take the time to understand.

I'm not "sticking" with anything, and Joran's action needs no justification from me nor anyone else

The buffoon insulted Joran, Joran merely showed his contempt for the fool. Simple as that.

Jug, on the other hand, needs all the help he can get, to somehow justify his boorish behavior. Doesn't appear anyone's been able to justify it.

[Luke Davis]

Now De vries somehow managed to have his eyes spashed with wine and he did it for the ratings? Are you kidding me? You do realize that joran was the one who had the temper tantrum and threw the wine, right?
That was obviously jorans decision.
But...... you know that.
Unbelievabe!
IMO
It just looked fake to me. Maybe it wasn't but it sure got attention. More attention than Beth on Oprah and that is saying something.

IMO

[Grandad]

It just looked fake to me. Maybe it wasn't but it sure got attention. More attention than Beth on Oprah and that is saying something.

IMO

I doubt it was "fake" in the sense DeVries and Joran agreed to do it, but DeVries certainly over-reacted. It appeared he was trying to give the impression it was acid, not wine, that was tossed.

Joran, on the other hand, seemed to be totally nonchalant. He certainly didn't look like he flipped out. As I said before, more disdain than anger.

[No Nic]

SEems like there is more than one person having a hard time making friends....Beth now has to refer to Ramsey as a "dear friend". That makes my skin crawl, and I bet it does to him too. Has he ever appeared in public with her, ever? All I remember is his denying that they were even dating, after she yakked and yakked about them dating. How embarrassing for her.

IMO

Poor Matt. I bet he would rather have been nearly any where else in the world than have to accompany that mother to her latest publicity seeking "event". Did you see the video of Beth on Oprah? Oprah was speaking very coldly to Beth, the only thing she was interested in was Beth still "dating" Ramsey. Oprah said "That's what we've been told". She was referring, IMO, to Beth telling everyone that.

Poor Beth, take a look at the video, she has cringed as far as she can away from Oprah on the couch, really pushing herself into the cushions at the end of the couch. Body language speaks. She knew that Oprah was thinking "Gotcha"!!!!!

IMO

Just like your interpretation of Beth's book, your interpretation of the Oprah show is sooooooo SKEWED!! Oprah, Beth and Matt look nothing but comfortable and gracious throughout the interview. There was no "Gotcha" moment except in your own mind.

You have no clue to what Beth's relationship with Ramsey was, but yet you have no problem spewing RUmor and innuendo, imo, it is a troubling obsession that you have with a woman that you do not and never will know personally.

You should worry more about how you are embarrassing yourself with these outrageous interpretations of everything Beth.

imo

[ortiga]

Just like your interpretation of Beth's book, your interpretation of the Oprah show is sooooooo SKEWED!! Oprah, Beth and Matt look nothing but comfortable and gracious throughout the interview. There was no "Gotcha" moment except in your own mind.

You have no clue to what Beth's relationship with Ramsey was, but yet you have no problem spewing RUmor and innuendo, imo, it is a troubling obsession that you have with a woman that you do not and never will know personally.

You should worry more about how you are embarrassing yourself with these outrageous interpretations of everything Beth.imo


Please do remember that my private life is off limits to you. No comments on my real life, my personality, my psychological state are allowed, and the continuing referrals to what you diagnose as my "obsessions" are out of line.

Your very personal comments are against the rules of the board, I am not interested in communicating with you about my personal life, please do keep your speculations to yourself.

Please refer to TOS if you are confused about the rule against personal attacks on other posters.

Thanks!

[HiLife]

Just like your interpretation of Beth's book, your interpretation of the Oprah show is sooooooo SKEWED!! Oprah, Beth and Matt look nothing but comfortable and gracious throughout the interview. There was no "Gotcha" moment except in your own mind.

You have no clue to what Beth's relationship with Ramsey was, but yet you have no problem spewing RUmor and innuendo, imo, it is a troubling obsession that you have with a woman that you do not and never will know personally.

You should worry more about how you are embarrassing yourself with these outrageous interpretations of everything Beth.

imo

Sounds like someone's been watching too many Beth YouTube re-runs! After over 2.5 years, and you still see vile dripping about someone a person does not know, there is something seriously wrong. Somebody call a waaaaa-mbulance! Just like how the "eyes are the window to the soul," I find that posting is the written equivalent. One's posts are the window to their soul. Yikes! Slam it shut! Pull down the shades. Shudder.

There's a fine line between love and hate. You wonder which it really is when so much attention is lavished. Expending all this energy on someone who does not affect your life is a sorry spectacle to watch - oh, and embarrassing.

imo

[Heyes]

Sounds like someone's been watching too many Beth YouTube re-runs! After over 2.5 years, and you still see vile dripping about someone a person does not know, there is something seriously wrong. Somebody call a waaaaa-mbulance! Just like how the "eyes are the window to the soul," I find that posting is the written equivalent. One's posts are the window to their soul. Yikes! Slam it shut! Pull down the shades. Shudder.

There's a fine line between love and hate. You wonder which it really is when so much attention is lavished. Expending all this energy on someone who does not affect your life is a sorry spectacle to watch - oh, and embarrassing.

imo

joran does another stupid thing, shows the world once again the type of person he really is, and the posts about Beth increase. they get nastier each time a vandersloot or aruba makes a bone-headed attempt at clearing their name. Par for the course around here. The beauty of it all is that jorans little temper tantrum was filmed. The world has watched it and he and his family are laughing stocks. The sad thing is Natalee is still missing.
IMO
the scary thing??? joran is going to hurt someone else. IMO

[Heyes]

Please do remember that my private life is off limits to you. No comments on my real life, my personality, my psychological state are allowed, and the continuing referrals to what you diagnose as my "obsessions" are out of line.

Your very personal comments are against the rules of the board, I am not interested in communicating with you about my personal life, please do keep your speculations to yourself.

Please refer to TOS if you are confused about the rule against personal attacks on other posters.

Thanks!

However a point was made. Your the only person I've heard this opinion from. How do you know how Oprah feels or what she thinks?

[HiLife]

However a point was made. Your the only person I've heard this opinion from. How do you know how Oprah feels or what she thinks?

LOL! You're right, of course. The poster cannot possibly know what Oprah was thinking ......but why stick to facts when it is ever so much more fun to make stuff up? (and then play moderator) :read:

imo

[HiLife]

joran does another stupid thing, shows the world once again the type of person he really is, and the posts about Beth increase. they get nastier each time a vandersloot or aruba makes a bone-headed attempt at clearing their name. Par for the course around here. The beauty of it all is that jorans little temper tantrum was filmed. The world has watched it and he and his family are laughing stocks. The sad thing is Natalee is still missing.
IMO
the scary thing??? joran is going to hurt someone else. IMO
Can you imagine the Van der Sloots who reside in Holland? What an EMBARRASSMENT! Especially if any are in a public or prestigious position. Picture the logical, reserved, professional, calm Dutch and then this mutant comes along.

They should change their name, as thanks to Joran, it will forever live in infamy there (at least for now, and most probably in the future when he creates another poor, poor victim)

imo

[Heyes]

Can you imagine the Van der Sloots who reside in Holland? What an EMBARRASSMENT! Especially if any are in a public or prestigious position. Picture the logical, reserved, professional, calm Dutch and then this mutant comes along.

They should change their name, as thanks to Joran, it will forever live in infamy there (at least for now, and most probably in the future when he creates another poor, poor victim)

imo

Oh there will be another victim. I would bank on it!
IMO
Right now I would imagine that other family members have hoped beyond hope that joran would stay off tv. Let people speculate all they want anita, but don't let him go on tv, open his mouth and remove all doubt that he has anger issues and cannot control himself. But anita being the lovely mother that she is said, gee, thanks for the advice but joran wants to be famous and it's his decision. just like his other interviews. We cannot talk any sense into him at all so paulus and I decided to go with him and try damage control. It was working well until joran stood up and showed the world what a monster his is. It was embarrassing, especially when my husband just stood there grinning. I didn't know what to do so I just kept adjusting my sweater, You couldnt see through it right? Oh well, now I must hide in shame! lol

Now IMO I have to say after watching that little gem one more time. If you notice, after the interview was concluded and all were shaking hands joran grabs his wine, sips it, puts it down, stands there then SPLASH. You could actually see his wheels turning. Should I throw it now? What about now? lol
I wonder at what point of the interview did he decide he wanted to hurt DeVries? Then again, at what point of the evening did he decide he wanted to hurt Natalee?

IMO

IMO

[Heyes]

LOL! You're right, of course. The poster cannot possibly know what Oprah was thinking ......but why stick to facts when it is ever so much more fun to make stuff up? (and then play moderator) :read:

imo

LOL, Typical for those that support joran.

[fairmaiden]

However a point was made. Your the only person I've heard this opinion from. How do you know how Oprah feels or what she thinks?

Oh there will be another victim. I would bank on it!
IMO
Right now I would imagine that other family members have hoped beyond hope that joran would stay off tv. Let people speculate all they want anita, but don't let him go on tv, open his mouth and remove all doubt that he has anger issues and cannot control himself. But anita being the lovely mother that she is said, gee, thanks for the advice but joran wants to be famous and it's his decision. just like his other interviews. We cannot talk any sense into him at all so paulus and I decided to go with him and try damage control. It was working well until joran stood up and showed the world what a monster his is. It was embarrassing, especially when my husband just stood there grinning. I didn't know what to do so I just kept adjusting my sweater, You couldnt see through it right? Oh well, now I must hide in shame! lol

Now IMO I have to say after watching that little gem one more time. If you notice, after the interview was concluded and all were shaking hands joran grabs his wine, sips it, puts it down, stands there then SPLASH. You could actually see his wheels turning. Should I throw it now? What about now? lol
I wonder at what point of the interview did he decide he wanted to hurt DeVries? Then again, at what point of the evening did he decide he wanted to hurt Natalee?

IMO

IMO

After lecturing someone, asking them how they could know how Oprah feels or thinks .... how do you know what Anita thinks or feels ?? I suppose this comes under your heading of "freedom of speech", right ?? What's more surprising ((or actually it isn't)), is that you seem to find great humor in this.

JMO

[Heyes]

After lecturing someone, asking them how they could know how Oprah feels or thinks .... how do you know what Anita thinks or feels ?? I suppose this comes under your heading of "freedom of speech", right ?? What's more surprising ((or actually it isn't)), is that you seem to find great humor in this.

JMO


There is a difference when one posts as fact or one posts as opinion. Mine was clearly a scenario, not facts. the other poster was posting as if their statements about oprahs thoughts were facts. Big difference. I do find humor in the reaction of joran's parents. They are such obvious enablers, IMO
Oh just so your clear,it wasn't a lecture, lol lol it was a statement.
How do you know how oprah feels or what she thinks. :rolleyes: How is that a lecture?

IMO

[ortiga]

However a point was made. Your the only person I've heard this opinion from. How do you know how Oprah feels or what she thinks?

I watched the show, I watched BHT pushing herself as far as she could into the couch cushions, similar to what Feb et al did on the Tyra Banks show as they leaned away from Beth. I saw that the only time that Oprah perked up was when, after Bht smirked out the "dear friends" BS, then Oprah said but we heard you were dating, is that true? She didn't give Beth an inch. I can theorize on how Oprah feels after seeing her actions.

And I didn't see that Oprah let Beth push her "non profit". Subtle hint there.

IMO

[ortiga]

Oh there will be another victim. I would bank on it!
IMO
Right now I would imagine that other family members have hoped beyond hope that joran would stay off tv. Let people speculate all they want anita, but don't let him go on tv, open his mouth and remove all doubt that he has anger issues and cannot control himself. But anita being the lovely mother that she is said, gee, thanks for the advice but joran wants to be famous and it's his decision. just like his other interviews. We cannot talk any sense into him at all so paulus and I decided to go with him and try damage control. It was working well until joran stood up and showed the world what a monster his is. It was embarrassing, especially when my husband just stood there grinning. I didn't know what to do so I just kept adjusting my sweater, You couldnt see through it right? Oh well, now I must hide in shame! lol

Now IMO I have to say after watching that little gem one more time. If you notice, after the interview was concluded and all were shaking hands joran grabs his wine, sips it, puts it down, stands there then SPLASH. You could actually see his wheels turning. Should I throw it now? What about now? lol
I wonder at what point of the interview did he decide he wanted to hurt DeVries? Then again, at what point of the evening did he decide he wanted to hurt Natalee?

IMO

IMO


That must have been terribly painful when the wine was splashed on De Vries.

A person that could splash wine is obviously a gang raper.

[ortiga]

Can you imagine the Van der Sloots who reside in Holland? What an EMBARRASSMENT! Especially if any are in a public or prestigious position. Picture the logical, reserved, professional, calm Dutch and then this mutant comes along.

They should change their name, as thanks to Joran, it will forever live in infamy there (at least for now, and most probably in the future when he creates another poor, poor victim)

imo

Wake up. There is no proof that there was ANY victim whatsoever in the case of the disappearing Natalee Holloway. She probably swam out after drinking too much. She was escorted to her bedroom on Saturday night by a man, because she was intoxicated, say her friends. It would have been better for her to drink in the hotel the next night instead of going to the beach with a guy in the wee hours of the morning after drinking a lot. He left her on the beach a meter from the water....that's around three feet for those of you who don't get out much. 3 feet, probably arousing herself from a nap and wanting to get refreshed...enter the water, still too much under the influence.

Sometimes people are to blame for their own decisions. Actually most of the time.

[fairmaiden]

However a point was made. Your the only person I've heard this opinion from. How do you know how Oprah feels or what she thinks?

There is a difference when one posts as fact or one posts as opinion. Mine was clearly a scenario, not facts. the other poster was posting as if their statements about oprahs thoughts were facts. Big difference. I do find humor in the reaction of joran's parents. They are such obvious enablers, IMO
Oh just so your clear,it wasn't a lecture, lol lol it was a statement.
How do you know how oprah feels or what she thinks. :rolleyes: How is that a lecture?

IMO

How do you arrive at the conclusion ortiga was posting FACTS ?? She stated it was her opinion .... YOU even stated it was her opinion. Like everything else, it's permissable for you to post your opinions/scenarios, but you seem to have a problem when anyone else does .... IF they have a different opinion.

JMO

[Grandad]

That must have been terribly painful when the wine was splashed on De Vries.

<snip>

Didn't DeVries say it wasn't very good wine?

Would it have been less painful, and would he have been less offended if it had been a better vintage?

[Heyes]

How do you arrive at the conclusion ortiga was posting FACTS ?? She stated it was her opinion .... YOU even stated it was her opinion. Like everything else, it's permissable for you to post your opinions/scenarios, but you seem to have a problem when anyone else does .... IF they have a different opinion.

JMO

YAWN!
Typical, it's permissable (haven't see you complain yet) when nasty things are written about the victim and her mother, but when that is countered YOU seem to have a problem with the opposing opinions.
Welcome to a message board.:seeya:

imo

[HiLife]

How do you arrive at the conclusion ortiga was posting FACTS ?? She stated it was her opinion .... YOU even stated it was her opinion. Like everything else, it's permissable for you to post your opinions/scenarios, but you seem to have a problem when anyone else does .... IF they have a different opinion.

JMO

This is cute. Bless your heart. Defending the indefensible. Unliike some people, Heyes doesn't go on and on and on and on with their "point."

Except now YOU are the one truly "lecturing."

imo

[Heyes]

Didn't DeVries say it wasn't very good wine?

Would it have been less painful, and would he have been less offended if it had been a better vintage?

I'm sure he would have been less offended if that out of control nutball hadn't thrown anything at all. :rolleyes:


Who will jorans next victim be?

IMO

[HiLife]

Oh there will be another victim. I would bank on it!
IMO
Right now I would imagine that other family members have hoped beyond hope that joran would stay off tv. Let people speculate all they want anita, but don't let him go on tv, open his mouth and remove all doubt that he has anger issues and cannot control himself. But anita being the lovely mother that she is said, gee, thanks for the advice but joran wants to be famous and it's his decision. just like his other interviews. We cannot talk any sense into him at all so paulus and I decided to go with him and try damage control. It was working well until joran stood up and showed the world what a monster his is. It was embarrassing, especially when my husband just stood there grinning. I didn't know what to do so I just kept adjusting my sweater, You couldnt see through it right? Oh well, now I must hide in shame! lol

Now IMO I have to say after watching that little gem one more time. If you notice, after the interview was concluded and all were shaking hands joran grabs his wine, sips it, puts it down, stands there then SPLASH. You could actually see his wheels turning. Should I throw it now? What about now? lol
I wonder at what point of the interview did he decide he wanted to hurt DeVries? Then again, at what point of the evening did he decide he wanted to hurt Natalee?

IMO

IMO

I got a good laugh out of this, Heyes! Especially the part about Anita adjusting her sweater while her husband laughed like a fool. Your scenario is probably right on target.

Joran had to get his stubborn streak from somewhere and you're right, his parents were probably adivised this wouldn't be a good idea by other family members.........but nooooooo......Joran does what he wants. Then, knowing who will be on the show and that he will be confronted, he becomes angry.

Oh, those wheels were turning the whole show....this is what makes him so scary. He had a calm demeanor throughout, yet blew at the end.

According to DeVries on the subtitled video Luke posted, Joran told DeVries he could hardly control himself the whole time. What I noticed at the end, after he throws the wine, Joran lifts up his hands like "hey, not my fault - he deserved it..." type of stance. It reminded me how Beth described him pounding his chest about Natalee that first night.

Joran keeps vindicating Beth every single time he goes public.

imo

[Heyes]

This is cute. Bless your heart. Defending the indefensible. Unliike some people, Heyes doesn't go on and on and on and on with their "point."

Except now YOU are the one truly "lecturing."

imo


can you believe this? lol lol lol
I find it AMUSING when the joran SUPPORTERS come up with excuses for jorans DARK and scary BEHAVIOR! LMAO!

Who will joran attack next?

[Heyes]

I got a good laugh out of this, Heyes! Especially the part about Anita adjusting her sweater while her husband laughed like a fool. Your scenario is probably right on target.

Joran had to get his stubborn streak from somewhere and you're right, his parents were probably adivised this wouldn't be a good idea by other family members.........but nooooooo......Joran does what he wants. Then, knowing who will be on the show and that he will be confronted, he becomes angry.

Oh, those wheels were turning the whole show....this is what makes him so scary. He had a calm demeanor throughout, yet blew at the end.

According to DeVries on the subtitled video Luke posted, Joran told DeVries he could hardly control himself the whole time. What I noticed at the end, after he throws the wine, Joran lifts up his hands like "hey, not my fault - he deserved it..." type of stance. It reminded me how Beth described him pounding his chest about Natalee that first night.

Joran keeps vindicating Beth every single time he goes public.

imo


Exactly! I noticed his *not me man* stance. That's exactly what Beth was talking about. Beth is being vindicated everytime joran goes public.
He is what he is. He feels he's justified to do or say anything he pleases. He just blames the victims.
IMO

[HiLife]

Exactly! I noticed his *not me man* stance. That's exactly what Beth was talking about. Beth is being vindicated everytime joran goes public.
He is what he is. He feels he's justified to do or say anything he pleases. He just blames the victims.
IMO
Makes you wonder what Joran did to Natalee at the very end. Calmly kill her?

His relatives from both sides of the family must be mortified.

lol - "not me man"

jmo

[ortiga]

can you believe this? lol lol lol
I find it AMUSING when the joran SUPPORTERS come up with excuses for jorans DARK and scary BEHAVIOR! LMAO!

Who will joran attack next?

I think Beth attacked her daughter in her book. Calling her passive aggressive, stating that she told Natalee over and over to be careful in Aruba.

Maybe that's why Ramsey took a hike too....

[HiLife]

I think Beth attacked her daughter in her book. Calling her passive aggressive, stating that she told Natalee over and over to be careful in Aruba.

Maybe that's why Ramsey took a hike too....

As NoNic rightly said, your interpretation is skewed! Beth was honestly, lovingly describing Natalee in certain situations and wasn't "Calling" her anything. What a sick, twisted spin, especially when the context in which this is said is nothing what you are describing. How vile to even imply such a thing. I'm sorry if you can not relate to a loving mother's description of her child.

I've heard that watching too many Beth YouTube re-runs can cause fixation.

jmo

[ortiga]

As NoNic rightly said, your interpretation is skewed! Beth was honestly, lovingly describing Natalee in certain situations and wasn't "Calling" her anything. How vile to even imply such a thing. I'm sorry if you can not relate to a loving mother's description of her child.

I've heard that watching too many Beth YouTube re-runs can cause fixation.

jmo

Beth called her poor daughter Natalee "passive aggressive" in her book "Loving Natalee".

I agree that was vile.

[HiLife]

Beth called her poor daughter Natalee "passive aggressive" in her book "Loving Natalee".

I agree that was vile.
A poster's posts are the window to their soul........ :chicken:

jmo

[ortiga]

A poster's posts are the window to their soul........ :chicken:

jmo

An "author's published words against her daughter....the window to the author's soul"

[HiLife]

An "author's published words against her daughter....the window to the author's soul"

SO true. When looking in that window, there was a serene peace, strong faith and powerful hope. :read:

jmo

[Grandad]

SO true. When looking in that window, there was a serene peace, strong faith and powerful hope.

jmo


Don't forget the dollar signs.

[ortiga]

SO true. When looking in that window, there was a serene peace, strong faith and powerful hope. :read:

jmo

lol, that was quite a peaceful way that she called her poor daughter passive aggressive and said that "Natalee" ( not "Natalee's disappearance")was not totally to blame for Jug's divorce from Beth. Hmmm....typo or "window to her strong faith and powerful hope".

[ortiga]

Don't forget the dollar signs.

I see the that ISTF site is still collecting donations, prominent click button and all, and that the site hasn't been updated for quite some time. Anyone have any idea what altruistic projects Beth is accomplishing now? Or ever has?

[HiLife]

I see the that ISTF site is still collecting donations, prominent click button and all, and that the site hasn't been updated for quite some time. Anyone have any idea what altruistic projects Beth is accomplishing now? Or ever has?

Maybe if you watch some more Beth YouTube re-runs you can find out?

[SukiJane]

Sounds like someone's been watching too many Beth YouTube re-runs! After over 2.5 years, and you still see vile dripping about someone a person does not know, there is something seriously wrong. Somebody call a waaaaa-mbulance! Just like how the "eyes are the window to the soul," I find that posting is the written equivalent. One's posts are the window to their soul. Yikes! Slam it shut! Pull down the shades. Shudder.

There's a fine line between love and hate. You wonder which it really is when so much attention is lavished. Expending all this energy on someone who does not affect your life is a sorry spectacle to watch - oh, and embarrassing.

imo

LOL...Yikes is right...I've got my Rosary, Holy Water, and wooden stakes handy, just in case!!!

[SukiJane]

Can you imagine the Van der Sloots who reside in Holland? What an EMBARRASSMENT! Especially if any are in a public or prestigious position. Picture the logical, reserved, professional, calm Dutch and then this mutant comes along.

They should change their name, as thanks to Joran, it will forever live in infamy there (at least for now, and most probably in the future when he creates another poor, poor victim)

imo

Yes, and I think it explains why none of Joran's extended family members have ever stepped forward to defend Joran. No grannies, no aunties, no uncles, or cousins, just some crazy girl and her mom from the states, that claim Joran was a happy drunk at 16, Joe T. because he's getting paid, and Momma and Papa Sloot, because, well, guess they feel they have to since they gave birth to him. Oh yes, and a few message board posters.

jmo

[SukiJane]

Oh there will be another victim. I would bank on it!
IMO
Right now I would imagine that other family members have hoped beyond hope that joran would stay off tv. Let people speculate all they want anita, but don't let him go on tv, open his mouth and remove all doubt that he has anger issues and cannot control himself. But anita being the lovely mother that she is said, gee, thanks for the advice but joran wants to be famous and it's his decision. just like his other interviews. We cannot talk any sense into him at all so paulus and I decided to go with him and try damage control. It was working well until joran stood up and showed the world what a monster his is. It was embarrassing, especially when my husband just stood there grinning. I didn't know what to do so I just kept adjusting my sweater, You couldnt see through it right? Oh well, now I must hide in shame! lol

Now IMO I have to say after watching that little gem one more time. If you notice, after the interview was concluded and all were shaking hands joran grabs his wine, sips it, puts it down, stands there then SPLASH. You could actually see his wheels turning. Should I throw it now? What about now? lol
I wonder at what point of the interview did he decide he wanted to hurt DeVries? Then again, at what point of the evening did he decide he wanted to hurt Natalee?

IMO

IMO

I agree Heyes. It's very interesting to watch Joran, and what his body language portrays. I think he got so mad at one point, he was on the verge of tears. Now, mind you, we have a self admitted liar here, that lies all the time, that can't even keep himself from lying, yet when someone confronts him about his lies, he gets his panties all in a wad. Beth noticed this the first time she saw Joran, his arrogant defiant attitude, his "how dare you" question me look. What kind of god does he think he is to go through life lying his ***** off and no one is to question him...ugh!!!! Makes ya wonder if Natalee questioned his truthfulness when she noticed she wasn't being taken back to her hotel.

Paulus on the other hand has quite the poker face, he's pretty much expressionless, that's why it was easy to see his big grin after the wine throwing fiasco. Unfortunately for Joran he inherited some of his mother's very emotional genes, and can be read like a book. I thought it was funny to see some of the first reports coming in regarding the interview, and how some of Joran's supporters saw him as calm and cool, and that DeVries was the flustered one...LOL Of course, this is before they knew about the wine throwing. How could anyone think Joran looked calm and cool throughout that interview?

jmo

[Heyes]

I agree Heyes. It's very interesting to watch Joran, and what his body language portrays. I think he got so mad at one point, he was on the verge of tears. Now, mind you, we have a self admitted liar here, that lies all the time, that can't even keep himself from lying, yet when someone confronts him about his lies, he gets his panties all in a wad. Beth noticed this the first time she saw Joran, his arrogant defiant attitude, his "how dare you" question me look. What kind of god does he think he is to go through life lying his ***** off and no one is to question him...ugh!!!! Makes ya wonder if Natalee questioned his truthfulness when she noticed she wasn't being taken back to her hotel.

Paulus on the other hand has quite the poker face, he's pretty much expressionless, that's why it was easy to see his big grin after the wine throwing fiasco. Unfortunately for Joran he inherited some of his mother's very emotional genes, and can be read like a book. I thought it was funny to see some of the first reports coming in regarding the interview, and how some of Joran's supporters saw him as calm and cool, and that DeVries was the flustered one...LOL Of course, this is before they knew about the wine throwing. How could anyone think Joran looked calm and cool throughout that interview?

jmo
That's funny about the calm and cool, but really he could of thrown a knife at DeVries and his supporters would have said it was justified. If that doesn't tell you anything about the joran lovers out there, nothing will.
This little stunt by the vandersloots blew up in their faces. All is quiet now that joran proved just what kind of crazy he is.
Actually, now is the time I would love to see another interview, I would love to see someone pound this family with questions. I would think it would be easy to set joran off. what would he do this time????
Too bad he's not locked up. There is going to be another victim and this future tragedy could have been avoided.
Who's child will be next?
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

[SukiJane]

I see the that ISTF site is still collecting donations, prominent click button and all, and that the site hasn't been updated for quite some time. Anyone have any idea what altruistic projects Beth is accomplishing now? Or ever has?

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives..."

Tune in later for another episode of "The Days of Beth's Life" narrated by Ortiga.

[Heyes]

Yes, and I think it explains why none of Joran's extended family members have ever stepped forward to defend Joran. No grannies, no aunties, no uncles, or cousins, just some crazy girl and her mom from the states, that claim Joran was a happy drunk at 16, Joe T. because he's getting paid, and Momma and Papa Sloot, because, well, guess they feel they have to since they gave birth to him. Oh yes, and a few message board posters.

jmo

Nope the only people that defend this loser is people with interest in aruba. All three if them lol lol lol, that's it. no friends, no family. no one!
Of course you have to have at least one redeeming quality that would make someone want to defend you and, well, it doesn't seem that he has any. IMO the vandersloots are becoming an embarrassment. I mean, really, would you invite this family to your cocktail party? First you would have to make anita promise to keep joran home. second I doubt anyone could stock enough wine to make him happy anyway.
By the looks of anita, I think she's been drinking too much wine anywho!

IMO IMO IMO IMO

[Heyes]

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives..."

Tune in later for another episode of "The Days of Beth's Life" narrated by Ortiga.


LMAO!

[SukiJane]

Nope the only people that defend this loser is people with interest in aruba. All three if them lol lol lol, that's it. no friends, no family. no one!
Of course you have to have at least one redeeming quality that would make someone want to defend you and, well, it doesn't seem that he has any. IMO the vandersloots are becoming an embarrassment. I mean, really, would you invite this family to your cocktail party? First you would have to make anita promise to keep joran home. second I doubt anyone could stock enough wine to make him happy anyway.
By the looks of anita, I think she's been drinking too much wine anywho!

IMO IMO IMO IMO

If Joran was my spawn, I'd be hittin' the bottle HARD. I did notice that Anita didn't have a whole lot of wine left in her glass at the end of the show, and of course we don't know how many refills she may have had.

Well now, I might would invite the van der Sloots over for cocktails, but then I'd request that Joran wear one of those Hanibal Lector masks, and a straight jacket. That way he can shoot daggers out of his eyes all he wants, and no one gets hurt.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

It's actually so enlightening some days to read this board. One can tell this case doesn't have the "importance" in some people's minds, that it DID have. It's enlightening from the standpoint that is must be so frustrating for those who support Natalee's mother, because all they seem to do is VENT their frustration, by deriding the entire Vandersloot family. I mean, how sad IS that ?? There doesn't seem to be any credible discussion. Of course, that's probably because a Judge has seen fit to release a statement that there is not even ENOUGH evidence of any violent crime. I can almost see "family supporters" CRINGE every time that's mentioned. All of us hear about conspiracies, Judges who are friends of the Vandersloots, etc., when it is just so obvious that the TRUTH is not palatable to those family supporters.

We have heard from some posters that they haven't lowered themselves to criticizing the Vandersloot family, UNTIL they got sick of Beth being criticized. Almost as if to say, they were ABOVE all this criticism. It seems to me, if they were ABOVE all this personal criticism, they wouldn't be criticizing NOW.

All just my observations and opinion.

[SukiJane]

It's actually so enlightening some days to read this board. One can tell this case doesn't have the "importance" in some people's minds, that it DID have. It's enlightening from the standpoint that is must be so frustrating for those who support Natalee's mother, because all they seem to do is VENT their frustration, by deriding the entire Vandersloot family. I mean, how sad IS that ?? There doesn't seem to be any credible discussion. Of course, that's probably because a Judge has seen fit to release a statement that there is not even ENOUGH evidence of any violent crime. I can almost see "family supporters" CRINGE every time that's mentioned. All of us hear about conspiracies, Judges who are friends of the Vandersloots, etc., when it is just so obvious that the TRUTH is not palatable to those family supporters.

We have heard from some posters that they haven't lowered themselves to criticizing the Vandersloot family, UNTIL they got sick of Beth being criticized. Almost as if to say, they were ABOVE all this criticism. It seems to me, if they were ABOVE all this personal criticism, they wouldn't be criticizing NOW.

All just my observations and opinion.


You're right, I cringe everytime I hear mention of 'not enough evidence', I cringe when I think about Paulus' words, no body no case, just like I cringe everytime I think about O.J.'s verdict being read on t.v.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

You're right, I cringe everytime I hear mention of 'not enough evidence', I cringe when I think about Paulus' words, no body no case, just like I cringe everytime I think about O.J.'s verdict being read on t.v.

jmo

I could be mistaken, but surely you're not making a comparison between Joran VDS and OJ .... are you?? On the one hand, you have someone who was never charged with ANY crime .... in fact there appears to be a lack of evidence that a crime even occurred. On the other hand, there was no question there was a crime .... OJ was charged, and tried, and unfortunately acquitted .... TONS of evidence, IMO. Let me tell you, I cringed too when I heard that verdict read on TV.

Am I mistaken as to why you mentioned OJ .... you were trying to draw some comparison ??

JMO

[No Nic]

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives..."

Tune in later for another episode of "The Days of Beth's Life" narrated by Ortiga.

Series location "Fantasy Island".

[SukiJane]

I could be mistaken, but surely you're not making a comparison between Joran VDS and OJ .... are you?? On the one hand, you have someone who was never charged with ANY crime .... in fact there appears to be a lack of evidence that a crime even occurred. On the other hand, there was no question there was a crime .... OJ was charged, and tried, and unfortunately acquitted .... TONS of evidence, IMO. Let me tell you, I cringed too when I heard that verdict read on TV.

Am I mistaken as to why you mentioned OJ .... you were trying to draw some comparison ??

JMO

Surely you're not trying to compare America's justice system to that of Aruba, are you? I made the comparison, because although a judge in Aruba has made a decision doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with it, although I do have to accept it. Just because a panel of jurors here in the states has made a decision, doesn't mean I have to agree with that either, but again I have to accept it.

O/T I lost a lot of respect for Oprah many years ago when she aired O.J.'s verdict on her show, and cheered.

jmo

[HiLife]

It's actually so enlightening some days to read this board. One can tell this case doesn't have the "importance" in some people's minds, that it DID have. It's enlightening from the standpoint that is must be so frustrating for those who support Natalee's mother, because all they seem to do is VENT their frustration, by deriding the entire Vandersloot family. I mean, how sad IS that ?? There doesn't seem to be any credible discussion. Of course, that's probably because a Judge has seen fit to release a statement that there is not even ENOUGH evidence of any violent crime. I can almost see "family supporters" CRINGE every time that's mentioned. All of us hear about conspiracies, Judges who are friends of the Vandersloots, etc., when it is just so obvious that the TRUTH is not palatable to those family supporters.

We have heard from some posters that they haven't lowered themselves to criticizing the Vandersloot family, UNTIL they got sick of Beth being criticized. Almost as if to say, they were ABOVE all this criticism. It seems to me, if they were ABOVE all this personal criticism, they wouldn't be criticizing NOW.

All just my observations and opinion.

Oh, so your advice is to sit back, relax and allow the bashing? We're only human. No one has room to criticize. The irony is too rich to pass up sometimes!

One other correction: Remember, though......there is "no DIRECT evidence." But there IS evidence of a crime. Per the JUDGE.

jmo

[HiLife]

Series location "Fantasy Island".

Bwahahaha! TOOOO FUNNY! :biggrin:


oh, will they have YouTube re-runs for repetitive watching later? ;)

jmo

[HiLife]

If Joran was my spawn, I'd be hittin' the bottle HARD. I did notice that Anita didn't have a whole lot of wine left in her glass at the end of the show, and of course we don't know how many refills she may have had.

Well now, I might would invite the van der Sloots over for cocktails, but then I'd request that Joran wear one of those Hanibal Lector masks, and a straight jacket. That way he can shoot daggers out of his eyes all he wants, and no one gets hurt.

jmo

ROFLLLLL to your entire post! "If Joran were my spawn......" :chicken:

jmo

[Heyes]

It's actually so enlightening some days to read this board. One can tell this case doesn't have the "importance" in some people's minds, that it DID have. It's enlightening from the standpoint that is must be so frustrating for those who support Natalee's mother, because all they seem to do is VENT their frustration, by deriding the entire Vandersloot family. I mean, how sad IS that ?? There doesn't seem to be any credible discussion. Of course, that's probably because a Judge has seen fit to release a statement that there is not even ENOUGH evidence of any violent crime. I can almost see "family supporters" CRINGE every time that's mentioned. All of us hear about conspiracies, Judges who are friends of the Vandersloots, etc., when it is just so obvious that the TRUTH is not palatable to those family supporters.

We have heard from some posters that they haven't lowered themselves to criticizing the Vandersloot family, UNTIL they got sick of Beth being criticized. Almost as if to say, they were ABOVE all this criticism. It seems to me, if they were ABOVE all this personal criticism, they wouldn't be criticizing NOW.

All just my observations and opinion.

Speaking of someone thinking they are ABOVE all this personal criticism....
sheeesh fair! lol

Next time someone writes something about Beths appearance or something torrid about Jug and you write another post CRITICIZING ( ahum) them......
Then we'll take ya seriously!
LOL
Thanks for the LECTURE~

:patriot:

[HiLife]

Yes, and I think it explains why none of Joran's extended family members have ever stepped forward to defend Joran. No grannies, no aunties, no uncles, or cousins, just some crazy girl and her mom from the states, that claim Joran was a happy drunk at 16, Joe T. because he's getting paid, and Momma and Papa Sloot, because, well, guess they feel they have to since they gave birth to him. Oh yes, and a few message board posters.

jmo

Good point, there, Suki!

I must also extend congratulations to you for being the FIRST to opine that Alberto G. (the infamous witness to Beth's arrival "3 hours earlier" RUmor) probably took money for his new story about Beth's flight arrival. Been reading on a site I can't provide the link to, and it appears Alberto G. has a rap sheet a mile long and one of the things he is charged with is bribery!!!

<cue in Queen> Another one bites the dust.....and another one.....and another one....."

Too bad all the Beth bashers got so excited for nothing! As usual.

:biggrin:

jmo

[HiLife]

Speaking of someone thinking they are ABOVE all this personal criticism....
sheeesh fair! lol

Next time someone writes something about Beths appearance or something torrid about Jug and you write another post CRITICIZING ( ahum) them......
Then we'll take ya seriously!
LOL
Thanks for the LECTURE~

:patriot:

Abso-fairly-lutely!!! <applause>

[Heyes]

Good point, there, Suki!

I must also extend congratulations to you for being the FIRST to opine that Alberto G. (the infamous witness to Beth's arrival "3 hours earlier" RUmor) probably took money for his new story about Beth's flight arrival. Been reading on a site I can't provide the link to, and it appears Alberto G. has a rap sheet a mile long and one of the things he is charged with is bribery!!!

<cue in Queen> Another one bites the dust.....and another one.....and another one....."

Too bad all the Beth bashers got so excited for nothing! As usual.

:biggrin:

jmo
Yeah I noticed our two crack investigators disapeared without ever showing any of their "proof". Aruba never ceases to amaze me on how low they will go.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
IMO

[No Nic]

It's actually so enlightening some days to read this board. One can tell this case doesn't have the "importance" in some people's minds, that it DID have. It's enlightening from the standpoint that is must be so frustrating for those who support Natalee's mother, because all they seem to do is VENT their frustration, by deriding the entire Vandersloot family. We have seen those who support Joran deride the entire Holloway/Twitty family from day 1, were/are they venting their fustration? I mean, how sad IS that ?? How sad is that ?? There doesn't seem to be any credible discussion. Of course, that's probably because a Judge has seen fit to release a statement that there is not even ENOUGH evidence of any violent crime. Glad to see that you encluded "ENOUGH", finally admitting that there IS EVIDENCE. I can almost see "family supporters" CRINGE every time that's mentioned. I don't cringe, I just shake my head in wonderment of how Aruba has handled this case from the beginning. All of us hear about conspiracies, Judges who are friends of the Vandersloots, etc., when it is just so obvious that the TRUTH is not palatable to those family supporters. Please, fairmaiden, tell us what the "TRUTH" is and show us credible, verified proof of you "TRUTH", TIA.

We have heard from some posters that they haven't lowered themselves to criticizing the Vandersloot family, UNTIL they got sick of Beth being criticized. Almost as if to say, they were ABOVE all this criticism. It seems to me, if they were ABOVE all this personal criticism, they wouldn't be criticizing NOW. The criticizing of the VDS's has came no where near the foul, vile, inhumane and out right lies that has been said about Natalee and her family.

All just my observations and opinion.

The above (in red), all my observations and opinion

[HiLife]

That's funny about the calm and cool, but really he could of thrown a knife at DeVries and his supporters would have said it was justified. If that doesn't tell you anything about the joran lovers out there, nothing will.
This little stunt by the vandersloots blew up in their faces. All is quiet now that joran proved just what kind of crazy he is.
Actually, now is the time I would love to see another interview, I would love to see someone pound this family with questions. I would think it would be easy to set joran off. what would he do this time????

Too bad he's not locked up. There is going to be another victim and this future tragedy could have been avoided.
Who's child will be next?
IMO

BOYCOTT ARUBA!

Too bad, but I think even the Van der Sloots aren't THAT hard-headed as to appear in public ever again with someone who might question "wine-in-your-face" Joran.

Tick, tick, tick.

jmo

[HiLife]

Yeah I noticed our two crack investigators disapeared without ever showing any of their "proof". Aruba never ceases to amaze me on how low they will go.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
IMO

Yeah, lol, where is the PROOF? Geez, poor Holloway family and these psychos popping out of the woodwork!

jmo

[Heyes]

Too bad, but I think even the Van der Sloots aren't THAT hard-headed as to appear in public ever again with someone who might question "wine-in-your-face" Joran.

Tick, tick, tick.

jmo
I bet anita doesn't even ask twice if he want's chicken for dinner! lol lol
Tick, Tick, Tick.
imo

[HiLife]

I bet anita doesn't even ask twice if he want's chicken for dinner! lol lol
Tick, Tick, Tick.
imo

Where is the rolling santa???? Tears of laughter!

[No Nic]

Speaking of someone thinking they are ABOVE all this personal criticism....
sheeesh fair! lol

Next time someone writes something about Beths appearance or something torrid about Jug and you write another post CRITICIZING ( ahum) them......
Then we'll take ya seriously!
LOL
Thanks for the LECTURE~

:patriot:


:beer: :beer: :beer:

[Heyes]

Where is the rolling santa???? Tears of laughter!

Seriously. Would you?

I SAID YES!!!!!!
SWOOOOOOOOOOSH! wine everywhere!
:chicken:

[HiLife]

Seriously. Would you?

I SAID YES!!!!!!
SWOOOOOOOOOOSH! wine everywhere!
:chicken:

omg------rolling! lolol!

Now I'm going to go vote (Florida's big day!) still laughing over your, NoNic's and Suki's posts!

Thanks! :seeya:

[Heyes]

omg------rolling! lolol!

Now I'm going to go vote (Florida's big day!) still laughing over your, NoNic's and Suki's posts!

Thanks! :seeya:

Happy voting
See ya soon!
:seeya:

[SukiJane]

Series location "Fantasy Island".


ohhhhh, definitely!

That could be another story all to itself...

Look Boss, de plane, de plane! The plane being filled with RUmors and speculations...it just needs to land so everyone will know what to spread around...LOL

jmo

[Heyes]

ohhhhh, definitely!

That could be another story all to itself...

Look Boss, de plane, de plane! The plane being filled with RUmors and speculations...it just needs to land so everyone will know what to spread around...LOL

jmo

lol, I've already begun casting. I'm thinking the name should be a mix of Fantasy Island and Gilligans Island.
imo


Dompig as Tattoo :D

[SukiJane]

lol, I've already begun casting. I'm thinking the name should be a mix of Fantasy Island and Gilligans Island.
imo


Dompig as Tattoo :D

LOL...I think it should be a mix of Fantasy Island and the Three Stooges, except with more stooges!!

[SukiJane]

Good point, there, Suki!

I must also extend congratulations to you for being the FIRST to opine that Alberto G. (the infamous witness to Beth's arrival "3 hours earlier" RUmor) probably took money for his new story about Beth's flight arrival. Been reading on a site I can't provide the link to, and it appears Alberto G. has a rap sheet a mile long and one of the things he is charged with is bribery!!!

<cue in Queen> Another one bites the dust.....and another one.....and another one....."

Too bad all the Beth bashers got so excited for nothing! As usual.

:biggrin:

jmo

Wow, interesting stuff on Alberto, thanks for sharing that. I wonder if Alberto's going rate for changing his story is added to the list of "Monies spent on the Holloway Investigation"

jmo

[Luke Davis]

Yeah I noticed our two crack investigators disapeared without ever showing any of their "proof". Aruba never ceases to amaze me on how low they will go.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
IMO
If they showed their proof to the public could it be used in court?

[No Nic]

If they showed their proof to the public could it be used in court?


If they had proof, the ALE and 2 Aruban prosecutors would not have been dogging JK2 for the last 2+ years.

Why do Joran supporters refuse to admit to that fact?

[Luke Davis]

If they had proof, the ALE and 2 Aruban prosecutors would not have been dogging JK2 for the last 2+ years.

Why do Joran supporters refuse to admit to that fact?
Probably the same reason the Dr. Phil supporters won't admit the recording was faked to say Natalee had sex with all of them.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Search continues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR5hUZqvFFA)

[Grandad]

<snip>
Been reading on a site I can't provide the link to, and it appears Alberto G. has a rap sheet a mile long and one of the things he is charged with is bribery!!!

<snip>

Do you have a link to Alberto's rap sheet?

I don't mean a link to a poster on another board who started a rumor about Alberto's rap sheet, I mean a link to an official source that details this supposed rap sheet.

[SaraSidle]

I heard there were a lot of suspicious text messages from cell phone to cell phone after the disappearance by the 3 suspects. Any way to find out what they were?

[No Nic]

Probably the same reason the Dr. Phil supporters won't admit the recording was faked to say Natalee had sex with all of them.

IMO

As far as I am concerned we have no solid proof that the tapes were altered in the way as accused by K2. All we have is the statement of some that may not be trusted and recordings of which the origin is suspect.

The two psychic detectives claim they have proof. If they did and ALE saw it, verified it, and still focused on JK2, then they are much more than innept and/or corrupt. I cannot begin to understand why they would continue to detain and keep their main focus on JK2, after proving Natalee was alive after being *left on the beach* by Joran. It is only logical that these two yahoo's are FOS.

imo


imo

[Heyes]

If they showed their proof to the public could it be used in court?

I remember hearing many Dutch officials debunking the, "if it's used in public it can't be used in court" myth.
That was just another aruban lie.
IMO

[Luke Davis]

I heard there were a lot of suspicious text messages from cell phone to cell phone after the disappearance by the 3 suspects. Any way to find out what they were?IIRC the messages were Joran wanting a ride, Deepak answering and then Joran saying he got home or something like that. I remember the times being posted but not sure the messages were.

IMO

[Heyes]

Probably the same reason the Dr. Phil supporters won't admit the recording was faked to say Natalee had sex with all of them.

IMO


When did they hold the trial that will prove this?
Oh wait a minute, I know. It's aruba's truth. lmao!
Get back to me when it is proven in court. Until then it's Mr. Skeeters word, vs the kalpoes. I'm gonna sitck with the guy with the steller reputation instead of a couple of proven liars. But that's just me.
IMO

[Luke Davis]

As far as I am concerned we have no solid proof that the tapes were altered in the way as accused by K2. All we have is the statement of some that may not be trusted and recordings of which the origin is suspect.

The two psychic detectives claim they have proof. If they did and ALE saw it, verified it, and still focused on JK2, then they are much more than innept and/or corrupt. I cannot begin to understand why they would continue to detain and keep their main focus on JK2, after proving Natalee was alive after being *left on the beach* by Joran. It is only logical that these two yahoo's are FOS.

imo


imo

I've yet to find anyone involved who I completely trust. I would like to hear more. I think Dr. Phil and the psychics could be easily verified or nullified, just a matter of time.


IMO

[Heyes]

Search continues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR5hUZqvFFA)


Thanks! Love the Aerosmith tune.

:patriot:

[Luke Davis]

I remember hearing many Dutch officials debunking the, "if it's used in public it can't be used in court" myth.
That was just another aruban lie.
IMOThen it should be easy to verify when Beth arrived in Aruba!

IMO

[Luke Davis]

When did they hold the trial that will prove this?
Oh wait a minute, I know. It's aruba's truth. lmao!
Get back to me when it is proven in court. Until then it's Mr. Skeeters word, vs the kalpoes. I'm gonna sitck with the guy with the steller reputation instead of a couple of proven liars. But that's just me.
IMOAs I have said before, I doubt there will be a trial. Dr. Phil has enough problems without losing that.

IMO

[No Nic]

As I have said before, I doubt there will be a trial. Dr. Phil has enough problems without losing that.

IMO


Why do you think he has not settled yet? I don't think he will be the one to fold in this case, it seems to be the Kalpoes that are holding things up by not following the judges orders. We may hear that the case against Dr. Phil has been dismissed. :shrug:

[HiLife]

Wow, interesting stuff on Alberto, thanks for sharing that. I wonder if Alberto's going rate for changing his story is added to the list of "Monies spent on the Holloway Investigation"

jmo

It also appears that the arrival/departure document with Beth's name on it, proudly displayed with the bogus 7:45pm arrival - well, there was another, different time, for everyone else on that very same flight!

The lengths the RUmor-mongers go to! :rolleyes:

jmo

[HiLife]

Then it should be easy to verify when Beth arrived in Aruba!

IMO

Why oh why is this so important??? Please answer me this.

[Luke Davis]

Why do you think he has not settled yet? I don't think he will be the one to fold in this case, it seems to be the Kalpoes that are holding things up by not following the judges orders. We may hear that the case against Dr. Phil has been dismissed. :shrug:
I think it was settled and there is a confidential agreement the public will never hear. Kalpoes got $5 million each.


IMO

[Luke Davis]

It also appears that the arrival/departure document with Beth's name on it, proudly displayed with the bogus 7:45pm arrival - well, there was another, different time, for everyone else on that very same flight!

The lengths the RUmor-mongers go to! :rolleyes:

jmo

Good to hear! Thanks for the information.

[No Nic]

I think it was settled and there is a confidential agreement the public will never hear. Kalpoes got $5 million each.


IMO

If that were true, there would no longer be a case in the California court and that would be public knowledge....correct? Is the case still pending or has it gone away? In the past information on this case was readily available, I think if it was settled, we would know that, confidential agreement would only pertain to the settlement, not the status of the case.

imo

[Luke Davis]

If that were true, there would no longer be a case in the California court and that would be public knowledge....correct? Is the case still pending or has it gone away? In the past information on this case was readily available, I think if it was settled, we would know that, confidential agreement would only pertain to the settlement, not the status of the case.

imoIt might be public knowledge but I don't know that it would be reported. I have followed other cases which just quietly went away. (Michael Jackson and Amber Frey for example)

There was a hearing scheduled for January 3.

I don't know how to find out the status of the case in Los Angeles.




:hat:

[Luke Davis]

Each search cost $4.75 if interested.

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civil/

[No Nic]

Each search cost $4.75 if interested.

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civil/


I'm not interested enough to pay for it, lol, because I know that there are those that are closely monitoring the case that would pay any amount and if it was settled they would be burning up the boards to gloat. No doubt in my mind.

imo

[fairmaiden]

I'm not interested enough to pay for it, lol, because I know that there are those that are closely monitoring the case that would pay any amount and if it was settled they would be burning up the boards to gloat. No doubt in my mind.

imo

No Nic .... Just as a matter of discussion, and forgetting the fact that some might "gloat" .... what do you think the seriousness of an altered recording would mean ?? I mean, a recording that was altered for content ??

JMO

[SukiJane]

I think it was settled and there is a confidential agreement the public will never hear. Kalpoes got $5 million each.


IMO

Wow, 10 million buckaroos for the Kalpoes!!?? Man, they'd be in hog heaven, and poor Joran with nothing but the money he made on his book, don't you know he'd be ticked off. Joe T. better get on the ball.

jmo

[Luke Davis]

Why oh why is this so important??? Please answer me this.It isn't. But it would be so easy to eliminate.


imoo

[Grandad]

<snip>
Been reading on a site I can't provide the link to, and it appears Alberto G. has a rap sheet a mile long and one of the things he is charged with is bribery!!!

<snip>

Do you have a link to Alberto's rap sheet?

I don't mean a link to a poster on another board who started a rumor about Alberto's rap sheet, I mean a link to an official source that details this supposed rap sheet.

So, I guess you don't have a link.

No surprise there.

Why do you people flood this board with unfounded rumors, speculation, and what at least one of you calls "a scenario"? "Scenario" being a figment of her imagination?

[HiLife]

Wow, 10 million buckaroos for the Kalpoes!!?? Man, they'd be in hog heaven, and poor Joran with nothing but the money he made on his book, don't you know he'd be ticked off. Joe T. better get on the ball.

jmo
LOL! Just imagine the speaker/sound system Deepak could buy for his souped up car with that kind of money! Heck, he could even afford to hire someone to clean his car nightly (at 3:30am)! Maybe Satish would be able to buy his own car and not have to share.

jmo

[SukiJane]

LOL! Just imagine the speaker/sound system Deepak could buy for his souped up car with that kind of money! Heck, he could even afford to hire someone to clean his car nightly (at 3:30am)! Maybe Satish would be able to buy his own car and not have to share.

jmo

Oh yeah, **** my ride...LOL

Hopefully with 10 million dollars they can actually find girls on their own, decently and honestly, and not have to depend on their buddy to drug one.

jmo

[Heyes]

So, I guess you don't have a link.

No surprise there.

Why do you people flood this board with unfounded rumors, speculation, and what at least one of you calls "a scenario"? "Scenario" being a figment of her imagination?


pot....kettle...black!

So how are those psychics fairing? Oh wait they disappeared. No proof?

IMO

[Heyes]

Oh yeah, **** my ride...LOL

Hopefully with 10 million dollars they can actually find girls on their own, decently and honestly, and not have to depend on their buddy to drug one.

jmo



lol lol lol lol lol lol
I think their chances where better with their buddy and drugs.

[SukiJane]

pot....kettle...black!

So how are those psychics fairing? Oh wait they disappeared. No proof?

IMO

Now it looks as though Mr. 'for a price, I can get you any information you want' Alberto is holding all the cards right now.

Love the transparent strategy here...first the Americans, as if other Americans would look at these clowns and not question their credibility...then bring on 'for a price, I can get you any information you want' Alberto...

jmo

[Heyes]

Now it looks as though Mr. 'for a price, I can get you any information you want' Alberto is holding all the cards right now.

Love the transparent strategy here...first the Americans, as if other Americans would look at these clowns and not question their credibility...then bring on 'for a price, I can get you any information you want' Alberto...

jmo

Alberto, the psychics, the wine throwing.
It's lunacy!
IMO

[Notknowingall]

Apparently a Dutch reporter calims to have solved the case and presented enough for prosecutors to reopn:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4222253&page=1

[Seti]

Apparently a Dutch reporter calims to have solved the case and presented enough for prosecutors to reopn:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4222253&page=1

I can't wait to hear what he has found. He said he had been doing undercover video surveillance for the past few months and I just wonder what that can reveal about the case it being 2 years old and all. Very interesting turn of events! Thaks for sharing the link.

[Heyes]

Apparently a Dutch reporter calims to have solved the case and presented enough for prosecutors to reopn:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4222253&page=1

A big thank you and welcome to Notknowingall!
Excellent!
Didn't see it coming.
Evidently, he's been investigating joran for months and has proof! Mos is happy and is heating up the investigation!

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/
anyone care to translate? lol lol lol

imo

[Heyes]

according to DeVries website he has invited Beth and his having a extra long broadcast Sunday night. He has hidden camera footage and evidently will be showing some of his evidence.

I'm thinking joran shouldn't of thrown the wine at him. lol lol

imo

[Grandad]

For all you Peter DeVries fans here's a special English version of his website:

http://www.peterrdevries.com/

Maybe he'll show his evidence during half time of the Super Bowl.

[cassidy]

Maybe I'm just a natural born skeptic, but it would seem reasonable to me that IF this guy has solid evidence that would close this case, we wouldn't be waiting until Sunday nite to hear it.

:shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Maybe I'm just a natural born skeptic, but it would seem reasonable to me that IF this guy has solid evidence that would close this case, we wouldn't be waiting until Sunday nite to hear it.

:shrug:

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[Grandad]

Maybe I'm just a natural born skeptic, but it would seem reasonable to me that IF this guy has solid evidence that would close this case, we wouldn't be waiting until Sunday nite to hear it.

:shrug:


Plus, of course, there would have been arrests by now.

This is nothing more than a response to having cheap wine tossed in his face, but it may give Beth an opportunity to pick up a few bucks.

[Luke Davis]

Greta reports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-a1BwItwCc)

[Luke Davis]

Confession? (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/)

[Trainwreck]

Has the video that was done by the two mediums been dismissed? I haven't heard a peep about it from any of the major media outlets. :shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Has the video that was done by the two mediums been dismissed? I haven't heard a peep about it from any of the major media outlets. :shrug:

:shrug: Haven't heard a thing.:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Trainwreck]

:shrug: Haven't heard a thing.:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Thanks Luke, :seeya:

I haven't followed this case like you guy's but when I saw that video it blew me away. I can't imagine someone making those accusations without having proof. :read:

[Heyes]

Thanks Luke, :seeya:

I haven't followed this case like you guy's but when I saw that video it blew me away. I can't imagine someone making those accusations without having proof. :read:

hi Trainwreck.
Nope these opportunists, IMO, have poofed. They slandered the Holloway/Twitty families and then disappeared. They were supposed to have another interview but left the island before any "hard" questions were asked of them. IMO and according to reports. They have never showed their "proof" so I would imagine it was just another case of a couple of knuckleheads looking for their 15 min. of fame. The current news that's out is what's interesting. Perhaps we will see some arrests soon? Who knows, this is aruba we're dealing with here. lol
IMO

[cassidy]

hi Trainwreck.
Nope these opportunists, IMO, have poofed. They slandered the Holloway/Twitty families and then disappeared. They were supposed to have another interview but left the island before any "hard" questions were asked of them. IMO and according to reports. They have never showed their "proof" so I would imagine it was just another case of a couple of knuckleheads looking for their 15 min. of fame. The current news that's out is what's interesting. Perhaps we will see some arrests soon? Who knows, this is aruba we're dealing with here. lol
IMO


Hmmmm opportunists......interesting word. Seem to be overly abundant in this case over the last 2.5 years. Curiosity question here...would you consider DeVries an opportunist also?

[Luke Davis]

Case resolved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpzBhsQ-0Y)

[Grandad]

Case resolved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpzBhsQ-0Y)

What do they plan to do? Switch to a live arrest of the suspects during the last five minutes of the show?

[SaraSidle]

ON CNN Nancy Grace now

[Heyes]

Hmmmm opportunists......interesting word. Seem to be overly abundant in this case over the last 2.5 years. Curiosity question here...would you consider DeVries an opportunist also?

Rsearching his reputation, no.
Researching the "psychics" reputation. Yes.

[cassidy]

Rsearching his reputation, no.
Researching the "psychics" reputation. Yes.

And the psychics on CourtTV's Psychic Detective? Do you think they were for real? IMO they came off as being pretty ridiculous also. This case seems to attact ridiculous people.

JMO

[Heyes]

And the psychics on CourtTV's Psychic Detective? Do you think they were for real? IMO they came off as being pretty ridiculous also. This case seems to attact ridiculous people.

JMO


They seemed pretty ridiculous to me as well! This case seems to draw evil as well as ridiculous. The callous statements about Beth never finding Natalee, almost with glee! Evil!
imo

[No Nic]

Your heart will break, your eyes will well up with tears.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

[Grandad]

Your heart will break, your eyes will well up with tears.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

Strange that Dave wasn't invited to the screening.

[Luke Davis]

Friday, 1 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 3: Drug-Suicide rumours resurface. Van der Sloot confessess. Natalee's death accidental

It's 2.30 am here now. SBS 6 just broke the news that Van der Sloot did confess to witnessing Natalee's death, he claims it was an accident. This confirms the earlier rumours. Allegedly, van der Sloot saw her overdosing and panicked. The whole U.S. media is waking up, but no one seems to be able to get Peter R. De Vries talking. I don't think I will be doing this again tomorrow, but it sure was fun. Missing-white-girl-media-circus, you stole my heart.

BLOG (unconfirmed) (http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-3-drug-suicide.html)

[Luke Davis]

More Blog (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2008/01/rumor-is-that-joran-confesses.html)

I got a link to the website of the AD the biggest paper in the Netherlands. Where there also is the link to the page of Vkmag.com. This is an article about the case. I will translate the article at my best.

The headline says 'Joran confesses murder on Holloway'

[cassidy]

Ok, let's see if I have this all straight. This guy, Devries, took all of his information to the Aruban prosecutor last weekend. He claims to have proof positive that Joran was involved in the death and disappearance of Natalee. So far, the prosecutor has not acted on this evidence? Do you think he agreed to wait until after Devries unveils his tapes on TV Sunday nite? I'm sure he wouldn't want to risk harming the ratings ( she says with tongue in cheek). Something about this smells funny to me.
I am all for finding the truth but this appears to be a very unusual (to say the least) way to go about it.
Guess we will have to wait and see :shrug:

[fairmaiden]

Strange that Dave wasn't invited to the screening.

Good Morning, Grandad .... I thought the same thing. Do we actually know he wasn't invited though ?? I find all of this a little offensive, frankly. It's obvious it's a "ratings" thing, because DeVries is all over the place plugging his show on Sunday. He sort of reminds me of a "Dutch Phil McGraw" in that respect .... as if all of this is "entertainment", instead of being treated in a serious manner .... IF he has anything.

JMO

[ortiga]

Strange that Dave wasn't invited to the screening.


Dave needs to get some botox, lip injections and a lift. What's the equivalent of cleavage for a man? Get with the program, Dave.

[ortiga]

Friday, 1 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 3: Drug-Suicide rumours resurface. Van der Sloot confessess. Natalee's death accidental

It's 2.30 am here now. SBS 6 just broke the news that Van der Sloot did confess to witnessing Natalee's death, he claims it was an accident. This confirms the earlier rumours. Allegedly, van der Sloot saw her overdosing and panicked. The whole U.S. media is waking up, but no one seems to be able to get Peter R. De Vries talking. I don't think I will be doing this again tomorrow, but it sure was fun. Missing-white-girl-media-circus, you stole my heart.

BLOG (unconfirmed) (http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-3-drug-suicide.html)

Some of those posts are a scream. Someone with a body as beautiful as hers would never do drugs. :rolleyes:

[ortiga]

Ok, let's see if I have this all straight. This guy, Devries, took all of his information to the Aruban prosecutor last weekend. He claims to have proof positive that Joran was involved in the death and disappearance of Natalee. So far, the prosecutor has not acted on this evidence? Do you think he agreed to wait until after Devries unveils his tapes on TV Sunday nite? I'm sure he wouldn't want to risk harming the ratings ( she says with tongue in cheek). Something about this smells funny to me.
I am all for finding the truth but this appears to be a very unusual (to say the least) way to go about it.
Guess we will have to wait and see :shrug:

Meanwhile we can all weep while replaying Beth wringing her hands while emoting....look what they did to a country....

[ortiga]

Strange that Dave wasn't invited to the screening.

She probably didn't want to share the booking payment with him. I betcha she never even called him to say what was going on. In fact I think there is less than a snowballs chance in h ell that she bothered to tell him.

[ortiga]

Good Morning, Grandad .... I thought the same thing. Do we actually know he wasn't invited though ?? I find all of this a little offensive, frankly. It's obvious it's a "ratings" thing, because DeVries is all over the place plugging his show on Sunday. He sort of reminds me of a "Dutch Phil McGraw" in that respect .... as if all of this is "entertainment", instead of being treated in a serious manner .... IF he has anything.

JMO

Hi FM!!

I've been busy following politics...interesting this year. Back to the case, as I just posted I don't believe she told Dave. And, De Vries has acquired the moniker Dr. De Vries now. Pretty soon he'll be chasing Britney Spear's latest ambulance.

[Grandad]

Good Morning, Grandad .... I thought the same thing. Do we actually know he wasn't invited though ?? I find all of this a little offensive, frankly. It's obvious it's a "ratings" thing, because DeVries is all over the place plugging his show on Sunday. He sort of reminds me of a "Dutch Phil McGraw" in that respect .... as if all of this is "entertainment", instead of being treated in a serious manner .... IF he has anything.

JMO

I don't know that he wasn't invited, but is there any acceptable reason, assuming DeVries has something of substance, that he shouldn't have been?

Do you think Dave is so invested in Hughes and the Persistence search he wouldn't look at any other possibility?

What bothers me more than anything at this point, is Hans Mos. Is it really possible DeVries has credible evidence and Mos is going to let him present it on television before he takes any action?

If DeVries has evidence which incriminates anyone, shouldn't he, or they, be arrested and charged?

If the evidence exculpates a former suspect, doesn't he deserve to have this made public immediately?

I've been very patient with ALE and the Aruban prosecutors because I understand they couldn't have been prepared for the media blitz that hit them, plus I believe the FBI was deeply enough involved that if there had been gross ineptitude or a cover up they would have got our State Department involved, but this Mos, between his last action in this case, and his current stance, has proved himself to be a total buffoon.

If this case has proved nothing else, it has proves we need stricter slander and libel laws, possibly making some cases criminal, and more control over the media.

England and Canada, for two examples, don't allow the kind of circus we've been exposed to for almost three years, and they enjoy freedom of speech.

[cassidy]

What bothers me more than anything at this point, is Hans Mos. Is it really possible DeVries has credible evidence and Mos is going to let him present it on television before he takes any action?

If DeVries has evidence which incriminates anyone, shouldn't he, or they, be arrested and charged?

If the evidence exculpates a former suspect, doesn't he deserve to have this made public immediately?


****************snipped**************

That part is very bothersome to me also. Seems to me that Mos would be in a position to try and recover some credibility from the last event. Allowing this to drag out until a TV show airs certainly doesn't add to his professionalism, does it?

JMO

[ortiga]

****************snipped**************

That part is very bothersome to me also. Seems to me that Mos would be in a position to try and recover some credibility from the last event. Allowing this to drag out until a TV show airs certainly doesn't add to his professionalism, does it?

JMO


I think Abrams on the today show nailed it, there is probably so much ambiguity that it makes for good TV, more speculation, but not for evidence, since evidence has exacting rules for its collection, analysis, etc. Who did the filming, were they authorized by the law, was the video edited in any way, a thousand questions to allow it into a court. But to get it on TV in the states, there doesn't seem to be any rule at all about defaming people from Aruba. Even to use a photograph of a person in one of your photos, to use it in a magazine, there has to be a release signed.

Abrams said something else, after all is said and done, this guy De Vries is "just one of us", ie a reporter.

[fairmaiden]

I don't know that he wasn't invited, but is there any acceptable reason, assuming DeVries has something of substance, that he shouldn't have been?

Do you think Dave is so invested in Hughes and the Persistence search he wouldn't look at any other possibility?

What bothers me more than anything at this point, is Hans Mos. Is it really possible DeVries has credible evidence and Mos is going to let him present it on television before he takes any action?

If DeVries has evidence which incriminates anyone, shouldn't he, or they, be arrested and charged?

If the evidence exculpates a former suspect, doesn't he deserve to have this made public immediately?

I've been very patient with ALE and the Aruban prosecutors because I understand they couldn't have been prepared for the media blitz that hit them, plus I believe the FBI was deeply enough involved that if there had been gross ineptitude or a cover up they would have got our State Department involved, but this Mos, between his last action in this case, and his current stance, has proved himself to be a total buffoon.

If this case has proved nothing else, it has proves we need stricter slander and libel laws, possibly making some cases criminal, and more control over the media.

England and Canada, for two examples, don't allow the kind of circus we've been exposed to for almost three years, and they enjoy freedom of speech.

I'm having computer problems today, Grandad. I just saw your post.

I agree with you totally.

No .... it is not reasonable to think Dave wouldn't be invited to this "showing".

As I said before, I find this whole thing offensive. The "sensationalizing" just reminds me of how "entertaining" this is made to seem.

Someone brought up something VERY interesting, I thought. In fact, they talked about their "hinky meter going off". What mother would allow herself to be FILMED, while learning for the first time, of her daughter's fate ?? Wouldn't that be something someone would want to be a very "private" moment ??

JMO

[Luke Davis]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22949037#22949037

[Grandad]

<snip>
What mother would allow herself to be FILMED, while learning for the first time, of her daughter's fate ?? Wouldn't that be something someone would want to be a very "private" moment ??

JMO

What struck me about her "Look what they've done" comments is that she seems to be watching a reenactment, not a confession.

I see that the DeVries show is a two hour program, and ABC is going to have a special 90 minute program Monday evening.

Assuming DeVries really has something, why would it take more than 10 minutes to present it?

[ortiga]

I'm having computer problems today, Grandad. I just saw your post.

I agree with you totally.

No .... it is not reasonable to think Dave wouldn't be invited to this "showing".

As I said before, I find this whole thing offensive. The "sensationalizing" just reminds me of how "entertaining" this is made to seem.

Someone brought up something VERY interesting, I thought. In fact, they talked about their "hinky meter going off". What mother would allow herself to be FILMED, while learning for the first time, of her daughter's fate ?? Wouldn't that be something someone would want to be a very "private" moment ??

JMO

Hi FM,

IMO it had been practiced in front of a mirror multiple times. The whole hands thing was new for that woman. Along with what I suspect were the voice lessons that produced very high little girl interview voice, I suspect she also was getting some kind of drama lessons. Seems like she's got the grownup voice on for this intervew.

You'd think she would also have given Dave his private moment. Remember he had to learn of the doctored Deepak tape on TV? IIRC he was watching TV when the description from Deepak about how Natalee was dressed and how she spoke was aired.

IMO

[Heyes]

lol according to all the MSM joran did tell a guy that he disposed of Natalee but of course he was just lying. lol lol lol
Prosecutors want to re-arrest vander sloot! Also on the MSM. I'm watching NG right now.

According to da sloot, he had sex with Natalee on the beach and she dies, (RAPE, DRUGGED IMO). Then he threw her away. Oh MY!
So we should see joran marched right back to jail soon.
Joe T. has already tried the, *the tape was fixed* angle but as he was working on his spin stupid joran was on tv yapping that he did confess but it was a lie. Ohhhhhh, joran you so dumb! JoeT..... you sure know how to pick your clients. lol lol After your last unsuccessful defense of that wacky woman, did you really think joran would be your comeback?
OK aruba time to close this case and lock up that dangerous, out of control liar!!!!!!!
IMO

[SaraSidle]

You go Heyes. I just saw the same thing and agree completely

[Heyes]

You go Heyes. I just saw the same thing and agree completely

Like Pat Brown just said.....keep talking joran!
Oh what a moron.
Now maybe Natalee can get the justice she deserves. I feel sooo bad for Beth and yet I am happy that maybe she will see justice. The fact that joran played God here and didn't even allow this family to bury their daughter should send him straight to H* E* Double toothpicks.
God Bless you Beth and Dave!
IMO

[ortiga]

Like Pat Brown just said.....keep talking joran!
Oh what a moron.
Now maybe Natalee can get the justice she deserves. I feel sooo bad for Beth and yet I am happy that maybe she will see justice. The fact that joran played God here and didn't even allow this family to bury their daughter should send him straight to H* E* Double toothpicks.
God Bless you Beth and Dave!
IMO

If he did dispose of a body, how is that "playing god"?

[SaraSidle]

per Nancy Grace show Aruba is again arresting Joran. Just up

[Heyes]

If he did dispose of a body, how is that "playing god"?

so you believe his newest bs?
He confessed but uh oh, that was a lie too?
He played God with Natalee when he didn't call for help. He either killed her or let her die and then tossed her away like trash, or is that normal to you?

IMO

[Heyes]

Diane Diamond and Pat Brown feel that she died while being raped. He threw her away so the evidence would never be found. Yup I agree.
IMO

[ortiga]

so you believe his newest bs?
He confessed but uh oh, that was a lie too?
He played God with Natalee when he didn't call for help. He either killed her or let her die and then tossed her away like trash, or is that normal to you?

IMO

We'll see shortly, but I have heard no rumors that he said he killed or "let her die". Sounds like he says she may have done that on her own.

The question I asked still stands, how would disposing of a body be "playing god"?

[SaraSidle]

It is not his place to dispose of the body. That family has no closure now

[ortiga]

Diane Diamond and Pat Brown feel that she died while being raped. He threw her away so the evidence would never be found. Yup I agree.
IMO

If there had been a presence of semen in her vagina, it would not have proven that she was raped, and even less that a rape killed her. That is just silly. If she did die in his presence she probably aspirated her own vomit, complicated by her massive alcohol intake over a period of several days, and probably complicated by self administered drugs, as 2 respected sources said that she was in possession of drugs. Or, lol, is De Vries not now believed on that one?

[ortiga]

It is not his place to dispose of the body. That family has no closure now

No one should dispose of a dead body without the family involved if possible. But, if that occurred, (of which we are not at all sure), that doesn't mean that person was playing god. That is what I was questioning Heyes on.

IMO playing god would be involved in killing a person, and there is no rumor that says that Joran said he did that.

[Heyes]

If there had been a presence of semen in her vagina, it would not have proven that she was raped, and even less that a rape killed her. That is just silly. If she did die in his presence she probably aspirated her own vomit, complicated by her massive alcohol intake over a period of several days, and probably complicated by self administered drugs, as 2 respected sources said that she was in possession of drugs. Or, lol, is De Vries not now believed on that one?


Yeah ok , so why wouldn"t he call for help? ( rape evidence IMO).
DO you think it's perfectly ok to throw someones body away?
Do you know that it takes more than a second to die.
Have you ever heard of CPR?
How you excuse this is beyond me.
You still think it's Beths fault don't ya?

Oh would I love to be a fly on the wall at anita's tonight.
Lying witch!
Now will she believe her "sporter" is freaking insane?
Now the truth comes out and the vandersloots/aruba had the nerve to blame the victim and her family. What sick people. IMO
IMO

[Heyes]

No one should dispose of a dead body without the family involved if possible. But, if that occurred, (of which we are not at all sure), that doesn't mean that person was playing god. That is what I was questioning Heyes on.

IMO playing god would be involved in killing a person, and there is no rumor that says that Joran said he did that.


YET!

but ya got to ask yourself. Why would he throw the body away, why hide it, why lie, lie lie. Like deepak said. " If they find the girl, they'll find the ****"
Simple really. Common sense dictates that he didn't want that body found. Only one reason for that! He contributed to her death. At the very least there might have been signs of violence and or rape. Looks like it's all blowing up in joran and his supporters face. Like I keep hearing on the MSM. The house of cards is falling.
IMO
About time.
Hey anita. paulus, what do ya have to say now? lying bunch of sloots.!
Now the next move is to make triple sure that the judge smid ( is that his name) is no longer allowed to judge this case. Such morons.
You Go Mr. DeVries! Job well done. can't wait for Sunday.

IMO

[ortiga]

YET!

but ya got to ask yourself. Why would he throw the body away, why hide it, why lie, lie lie. Like deepak said. " If they find the girl, they'll find the ****"
Simple really. Common sense dictates that he didn't want that body found. Only one reason for that! He contributed to her death. At the very least there might have been signs of violence and or rape. Looks like it's all blowing up in joran and his supporters face. Like I keep hearing on the MSM. The house of cards is falling.
IMO
About time.
Hey anita. paulus, what do ya have to say now? lying bunch of sloots.!
Now the next move is to make triple sure that the judge smid ( is that his name) is no longer allowed to judge this case. Such morons.
You Go Mr. DeVries! Job well done. can't wait for Sunday.

IMO

How do you decide which of Joran's stories to believe?

"lying bunch of sloots"? Oh yeah, I forget, you are the one that doesn't have to adhere to TOS.

[SaraSidle]

Even if the body was put out to sea that makes it worse. Not only is there a chance they will not find the body but there will be nothing to work with evidence wise after all this time

[Heyes]

How do you decide which of Joran's stories to believe?

"lying bunch of sloots"? Oh yeah, I forget, you are the one that doesn't have to adhere to TOS.

I believe that Natalee's drink was drugged, I believe she was set up. I believe either Natalee overdoesed due to the drug and the drinking, OR joran was violent with her. Now I know he dumped her in the ocean. Joran has painted himself in a corner this time. Imagine how angry joe T is tonight at his client.
This is the beauty of joran however, he cannot help himself. Hopefully no one else will be hurt before this guy is locked up. If he's not...........{{{shiver}}}
:chicken:
IMO

[Heyes]

Even if the body was put out to sea that makes it worse. Not only is there a chance they will not find the body but there will be nothing to work with evidence wise after all this time

It is a concern. My main concern is if all this evidence will be presented to the only judge that never seems to think there is enough evidence. Smids? I'm not worried if procedure dictates that a NL judge has to sign it. We know the other judge in the last arrest felt there was sufficient evidence to haul joran, the body dumper, back to aruba.
IMO

[SaraSidle]

I agree. I am trying not to get my hopes up at all

[ortiga]

I believe that Natalee's drink was drugged, I believe she was set up. I believe either Natalee overdoesed due to the drug and the drinking, OR joran was violent with her. Now I know he dumped her in the ocean. Joran has painted himself in a corner this time. Imagine how angry joe T is tonight at his client.
This is the beauty of joran however, he cannot help himself. Hopefully no one else will be hurt before this guy is locked up. If he's not...........{{{shiver}}}
:chicken:
IMO

I think Natalee was running away from some bad familial situation in MB. So she basically drank herself to death over a period of days, and I think she took the drugs she was said by De Vries to have in her possession. Natalee probably killed herself through that means. Question is whether she did it while still on the beach, or whether she swam out and was disoriented by the drink and drugs.

IMO

[Heyes]

Nope!
joe T a no show.
Kinda expected that. lol
poor greta, trying so hard to live with that "inclined to believe him" statement. lol
imo

[Heyes]

I think Natalee was running away from some bad familial situation in MB. So she basically drank herself to death over a period of days, and I think she took the drugs she was said by De Vries to have in her possession. Natalee probably killed herself through that means. Question is whether she did it while still on the beach, or whether she swam out and was disoriented by the drink and drugs.

IMO

I'd say he dumped her in the ocean after harming her in some manner.
Sunday should be interesting.
IMO
So since joran basicaly proved that the statement was made, and joe T didn't get to use his "spliced tape" excuse, you really belive it's still the victim and her mothers fault?


Really?

Not even an inkling of wanting to know if maybe joran might have done something here? Even after this story and all the lying?


Really?


:shrug:

imo

[Luke Davis]

Joran says (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI)

[Heyes]

Joran says (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI)


He just keeps digging, deeper and deeper.

Even his attorney is stumped tonight.
It's so not like joe not to appear on greta, especially tonight. Especially after joran blew ole joes excuse out of the water. Pity. Must be highly embarrassing. I know greta's panel was laughing.
IMO

[ortiga]

I'd say he dumped her in the ocean after harming her in some manner.
Sunday should be interesting.
IMO
So since joran basicaly proved that the statement was made, and joe T didn't get to use his "spliced tape" excuse, you really belive it's still the victim and her mothers fault?


Really?

Not even an inkling of wanting to know if maybe joran might have done something here? Even after this story and all the lying?


Really?


:shrug:

imo


You are misrepresenting my position, that I have stated all along, hundreds of times.

But what else is new.

[fairmaiden]

He just keeps digging, deeper and deeper.

Even his attorney is stumped tonight.
It's so not like joe not to appear on greta, especially tonight. Especially after joran blew ole joes excuse out of the water. Pity. Must be highly embarrassing. I know greta's panel was laughing.
IMO

Heyes .... If Greta's panel was laughing .... they should be ashamed of themselves. This is a LOT of things, but "laughable" isn't one of them. There is NOTHING to laugh about here.

I've read that Joe T. is highly disturbed at his client .... rightfully so, IMO. I'm anxiously waiting to see what happens in DeVreis' "Sunday Night Special". Right at this minute, I don't know what to think.

JMO

[ortiga]

Heyes .... If Greta's panel was laughing .... they should be ashamed of themselves. This is a LOT of things, but "laughable" isn't one of them. There is NOTHING to laugh about here.

I've read that Joe T. is highly disturbed at his client .... rightfully so, IMO. I'm anxiously waiting to see what happens in DeVreis' "Sunday Night Special". Right at this minute, I don't know what to think.

JMO

I don't either FM. Looks like he said what will be shown, whether it was bragging with a friend, who knows. It is hard to believe that he would seriously say that, and implicate a friend, after enduring so much for so long. I'd like to see the half hour of film that came before his remarks, so they aren't taken out of context.

It is easier for me to believe that it was another stupid smart aleck remark, since it doesn't line up with the electronic evidence.

[fairmaiden]

I don't either FM. Looks like he said what will be shown, whether it was bragging with a friend, who knows. It is hard to believe that he would seriously say that, and implicate a friend, after enduring so much for so long. I'd like to see the half hour of film that came before his remarks, so they aren't taken out of context.

It is easier for me to believe that it was another stupid smart aleck remark, since it doesn't line up with the electronic evidence.

Hi ortiga .... I must admit, I'm disturbed by this. To put it plainly, it's really difficult for me to understand why he would say something like this "because it was something this person wanted to hear". That just sounds stupid, frankly, and inexcusable, to me. You are right about his implication of a "friend", if what he said was true.

The "meat" of what he said .... how can THAT be taken out of context though ??

ETA .... I mean, he has admitted he said it !!

JMO

[ortiga]

Hi ortiga .... I must admit, I'm disturbed by this. To put it plainly, it's really difficult for me to understand why he would say something like this "because it was something this person wanted to hear". That just sounds stupid, frankly, and inexcusable, to me. You are right about his implication of a "friend", if what he said was true.

The "meat" of what he said .... how can THAT be taken out of context though ??

ETA .... I mean, he has admitted he said it !!

JMO

Depends on what was said leading up to it, for instance if the "friend" was joking around too, hey man, you know you offed her!! Ya sure, I threw her in the drink. And depends on what came after.

I will be paying attention to the seriousness of the way he declares this, and whether or not we hear what leads up to the "confession" and what was said afterwards, ie whether it was treated lightly afterwards, like a joke.

He is right about one thing....pretty dang stupid.

[Grandad]

Nope!
joe T a no show.
Kinda expected that. lol
poor greta, trying so hard to live with that "inclined to believe him" statement. lol
imo


Seems like you're not paying attention. I saw Joe T on two different channels.

Maybe you haven't heard. Greta doesn't own this story anymore.

[Grandad]

Hi ortiga .... I must admit, I'm disturbed by this. To put it plainly, it's really difficult for me to understand why he would say something like this "because it was something this person wanted to hear". That just sounds stupid, frankly, and inexcusable, to me. You are right about his implication of a "friend", if what he said was true.

The "meat" of what he said .... how can THAT be taken out of context though ??

ETA .... I mean, he has admitted he said it !!

JMO


Sometime it's difficult to put things in perspective.

Early this morning I learned that the 18 year old girl who has delivered my morning newspaper for the past five years was killed in an auto accident late last night. She's a college freshman, but she attends a local college so she lives at home.

Her eighteen year old girlfriend who was driving is in the hospital with only minor injuries. They were both drunk.

About an hour ago a guy who does odd jobs for me, the father of two boys and a girl, called me to let me know his 20 year old son was killed in Iraq. The kid was literally blown to bits by an explosive device.

He was told his son's body would be returned home for burial. I have seen soldiers killed by mines. I can guarantee you very little of the boy's body will be in that sealed casket.

Have either of these families suffered less of a loss than Beth and Dave?

The fact is hundreds of families lose children every day. All the way from new born babies to young adults. They die in a myriad of ways. Do any of them deserve to die? Not very likely.

The only difference I see between Beth and Dave and all these other families is Beth and Dave are among the very few, very very few, who have made a buck off the loss of their child.

But what about Joran?

If he's innocent, for almost three years he, and his family, have gone through what practically no other teenager has ever endured.

Perhaps I'm not the grumpy old man my wife sometimes accuses me of being, because I can forgive Joran for striking out at anyone, in any way he can.

Has everything he's done been the best thing he could have done under the circumstances? Probably not, but given his age, and the circumstances he's lived under, in my mind, they've all been justified.

I sincerely hope the story he put out there is proved to be a ruse, and I hope in some way DeVries is made to pay for his part in it.

[fairmaiden]

Sometime it's difficult to put things in perspective.

Early this morning I learned that the 18 year old girl who has delivered my morning newspaper for the past five years was killed in an auto accident late last night. She's a college freshman, but she attends a local college so she lives at home.

Her eighteen year old girlfriend who was driving is in the hospital with only minor injuries. They were both drunk.

About an hour ago a guy who does odd jobs for me, the father of two boys and a girl, called me to let me know his 20 year old son was killed in Iraq. The kid was literally blown to bits by an explosive device.

He was told his son's body would be returned home for burial. I have seen soldiers killed by mines. I can guarantee you very little of the boy's body will be in that sealed casket.

Have either of these families suffered less of a loss than Beth and Dave?

The fact is hundreds of families lose children every day. All the way from new born babies to young adults. They die in a myriad of ways. Do any of them deserve to die? Not very likely.

The only difference I see between Beth and Dave and all these other families is Beth and Dave are among the very few, very very few, who have made a buck off the loss of their child.

But what about Joran?

If he's innocent, for almost three years he, and his family, have gone through what practically no other teenager has ever endured.

Perhaps I'm not the grumpy old man my wife sometimes accuses me of being, because I can forgive Joran for striking out at anyone, in any way he can.

Has everything he's done been the best thing he could have done under the circumstances? Probably not, but given his age, and the circumstances he's lived under, in my mind, they've all been justified.

I sincerely hope the story he put out there is proved to be a ruse, and I hope in some way DeVries is made to pay for his part in it.

Grandad .... Your post is just so true. No one deserves to lose their child. I lost my daughter, Grandad .... I KNOW what it feels like. I absolutely agree with you as to Beth and Dave somehow turning the loss of Natalee into dollars. That DOES stand out .... I've said that all along.

The problem I have with Joran though is .... what others accuse him of, frankly. He seems to take pleasure in the notoriety he has received because of Natalee's disappearance, and he just can't keep his mouth shut. I do find it the strangest thing in the world that he would say what he did, in the FIRST place. From what I understand, Joe T is very angry about it too.

I honestly feel .... the more he talks, the deeper he digs a hole for himself.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

I also keep thinking about how the Judge has said there was a lack of evidence of any violent crime.

IF Natalee died, while they were having sex ((I believe Joran says)) .... in other words, by accident .... THEN "they" dump her in the water .... THAT would account for the apparent "lack of evidence of a crime".

I haven't been following the boat search .... are they STILL searching ?? Have they found anything ??

Like I said .... I'm just a little befuddled now .... ;)

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Sometime it's difficult to put things in perspective.

<<snip>>
But what about Joran?

If he's innocent, for almost three years he, and his family, have gone through what practically no other teenager has ever endured.

Perhaps I'm not the grumpy old man my wife sometimes accuses me of being, because I can forgive Joran for striking out at anyone, in any way he can.

Has everything he's done been the best thing he could have done under the circumstances? Probably not, but given his age, and the circumstances he's lived under, in my mind, they've all been justified.

I sincerely hope the story he put out there is proved to be a ruse, and I hope in some way DeVries is made to pay for his part in it.

To quote you again Grandad. I can't even imagine what Joran's family has gone through. I've also said THAT all along too. This must be incredibly difficult for them.

Others talk about lack of compassion and caring .... yet they seem to be gloating over this latest news .... blaming his parents. That, to me, is lack of compassion and caring.

JMO

[Grandad]

<snip>
The problem I have with Joran though is .... what others accuse him of, frankly. He seems to take pleasure in the notoriety he has received because of Natalee's disappearance, and he just can't keep his mouth shut. I do find it the strangest thing in the world that he would say what he did, in the FIRST place. From what I understand, Joe T is very angry about it too.

I honestly feel .... the more he talks, the deeper he digs a hole for himself.

JMO

When this started Joran was a 17 year old who was trying to grow up faster than he should have, or should have been allowed to.

When he gave the first few interviews I thought he was mature for his age, but now, because of the scrutiny, the accusations the plots to frame him, the pressure and the notoriety, I think his maturing process has been suspended, and he's about as mature as he was two years ago.

Joran, and his family, would probably be better off today if he had stayed at home instead of returning to the Netherlands to go to school.

However, that's Monday morning quarterbacking, and depriving him of the opportunity to get an education would itself have been punishment.

Whether Joran is completely innocent, or guilty of any crime, he will continue to live in some sort of nether world until this case is resolved.

Unfortunately, even if he's proved innocent beyond any doubt, he will still not be the person he might have become.

[Heyes]

When this started Joran was a 17 year old who was trying to grow up faster than he should have, or should have been allowed to.

When he gave the first few interviews I thought he was mature for his age, but now, because of the scrutiny, the accusations the plots to frame him, the pressure and the notoriety, I think his maturing process has been suspended, and he's about as mature as he was two years ago.

Joran, and his family, would probably be better off today if he had stayed at home instead of returning to the Netherlands to go to school.

However, that's Monday morning quarterbacking, and depriving him of the opportunity to get an education would itself have been punishment.

Whether Joran is completely innocent, or guilty of any crime, he will continue to live in some sort of nether world until this case is resolved.

Unfortunately, even if he's proved innocent beyond any doubt, he will still not be the person he might have become.

I wouldn't hold my breath about joran being innocent beyond any doubt!
Everything he has said and done IMO would be exactly what a guilty criminal who suffers from stupidity, would say and do.
But keep hanging on to your belief in joran.......for whatever reason.

[Heyes]

Seems like you're not paying attention. I saw Joe T on two different channels.

Maybe you haven't heard. Greta doesn't own this story anymore.

Really? And which two channels, (shows) would those be? Or are they just repeats of joes statement before joran opened his big mouth on TV
You know the one he released on greta before he found out his client validated DeVries recording blowing joes BS right out of the water. Now that Mos is calling for jorans arrest it makes joe look pretty clueless. No big surprise since he chose him as a client anywho.
Joe likes to protray himself as one who is in contact with joran and is in control. joran sure does mess that up for him doesn't he. Just like he's done before numerous times. Anyone remember New York? Joran seems bound and determined to do it his way. Good!

IMO

[Grandad]

Really? And which two channels, (shows) would those be? Or are they just repeats of joes statement before joran opened his big mouth on TV
You know the one he released on greta before he found out his client validated DeVries recording blowing joes BS right out of the water. Now that Mos is calling for jorans arrest it makes joe look pretty clueless. No big surprise since he chose him as a client anywho.
Joe likes to protray himself as one who is in contact with joran and is in control. joran sure does mess that up for him doesn't he. Just like he's done before numerous times. Anyone remember New York? Joran seems bound and determined to do it his way. Good!

IMO

The two channels were CNN and HNN.

What most people remember about New York and this case is that Beth's bogus lawsuit was thrown out of court.

Do you have a link to Mos's asking for Joran's arrest? I can't seem to find one.

[Heyes]

The two channels were CNN and HNN.

What most people remember about New York and this case is that Beth's bogus lawsuit was thrown out of court.

Do you have a link to Mos's asking for Joran's arrest? I can't seem to find one.


Well, NOW "most people" know that joran is a body dumper and more than likely a kidnapper, raper and murderer. The best you can hope for is that he is not a murderer just a cold blooded individual who stood around and watched Natalee die without ever calling anyone for help. Help as in keeping her alive. He did manage to call for help when it was body dumping time.
Links? Try all MSM.

IMO
Watch Sunday! Should be interesting.

[Luke Davis]

Joe Tacopina responds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpGuM0aumF0)

[Heyes]

Joe Tacopina responds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpGuM0aumF0)


you really should title it....
**Joe Tacopina has a hissy fit!**

IMO

LOL

[Luke Davis]

you really should title it....
**Joe Tacopina has a hissy fit!**

IMO

LOLI think that is more of a comment than a label.

:hat:

[Xainia]

I have been giving this some thought.

If we accept what Joran says is true.

Why did Natalees body not return to shore? This is what we have been told by 'experts' would happen.

Something is hinky about this but I don't know what.

[Grandad]

I have been giving this some thought.

If we accept what Joran says is true.

Why did Natalees body not return to shore? This is what we have been told by 'experts' would happen.

Something is hinky about this but I don't know what.

I don't think we know what Joran said. He may have told two or more conflicting stories.

We do know he said he told lies to DeVries informant because he thought that guy was hinky, and he claims his lies will be easy to verify as lies.

ALE has had the info from DeVries for a week now. I think if they had any reason to believe it was authentic Joran would have been charged by now.

As usual, I think it's much ado about nothing, except in this case, DeVries might land on the hot seat.

[Chocoholic]

Well, NOW "most people" know that joran is a body dumper and more than likely a kidnapper, raper and murderer. The best you can hope for is that he is not a murderer just a cold blooded individual who stood around and watched Natalee die without ever calling anyone for help. Help as in keeping her alive. He did manage to call for help when it was body dumping time.
Links? Try all MSM.

IMO
Watch Sunday! Should be interesting.

Rather disturbing that you would believe that you think Natalee is dead, do you have any proof of that or is that tub off the Aruban coast still looking for that fishtrap?

[Luke Davis]

I have been giving this some thought.

If we accept what Joran says is true.

Why did Natalees body not return to shore? This is what we have been told by 'experts' would happen.

Something is hinky about this but I don't know what.

I have always heard the body would drift to Panama.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Video (http://capitalnews9.com/content/headlines/109878/legal-eagle/Default.aspx)

[Luke Davis]

Here (http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=4120106559943988074)

[Luke Davis]

Well, the show is on and it is as advertised. Unbelieveable almost. Joran just blabbing his head off and all on camera!

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Joran says the friend that dumped the body was Daury. Anyone remember a Daury?:shrug:

[HiLife]

Joran says the friend that dumped the body was Daury. Anyone remember a Daury?:shrug:

I am sitting here in absolute SHOCK!

Never a mention of a Daury.

How about the FALSE implication of Deepak and Satish??? That WHOLE made-up conversation when Satish picked him up? How he said it was Satish after they had proof that Deepak had been home?

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do the Joran defenders have to say about this POS now??????

[fairmaiden]

Joran says the friend that dumped the body was Daury. Anyone remember a Daury?:shrug:

Hi Luke .... It's quite astonishing, isn't it ?? I don't remember that name at all.

[HiLife]

Easy enough now for ALE to look up the Pay Phone records Joran said he used to call Daury?

Easier now to search the sewers for his shoes?

[HiLife]

I don't know why DeVries is saying he didn't have the time to walk home? Didn't Karl Penhaul, the reporter for CNN dop the walk and it only took 30 minutes?

[HiLife]

That #$%^&* POS said he didn't even lose a night's sleep over it.......

:flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad:

[Grandad]

<snip>
What do the Joran defenders have to say about this POS now??????

Much ado about nothing.

[Luke Davis]

I am sitting here in absolute SHOCK!

Never a mention of a Daury.

How about the FALSE implication of Deepak and Satish??? That WHOLE made-up conversation when Satish picked him up? How he said it was Satish after they had proof that Deepak had been home?

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do the Joran defenders have to say about this POS now??????

On other boards the rumor is Daury was Koen's nickname. :shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Easy enough now for ALE to look up the Pay Phone records Joran said he used to call Daury?

Easier now to search the sewers for his shoes?Do they keep pay phone records?

[Luke Davis]

I don't know why DeVries is saying he didn't have the time to walk home? Didn't Karl Penhaul, the reporter for CNN dop the walk and it only took 30 minutes?I guess it depends when you start the clock. Did Karl Penhaul know about the phone call?

[Luke Davis]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/61169380_0ddd95e173_o.jpg

These guys live in Georgia now. I wonder if the FBI will visit?


IMO

[Heyes]

Rather disturbing that you would believe that you think Natalee is dead, do you have any proof of that or is that tub off the Aruban coast still looking for that fishtrap?

yup there's proof right out of that POS nasty mouth.
Good luck defending your golden boy now!

joran is toast!
IMO

[HiLife]

On other boards the rumor is Daury was Koen's nickname. :shrug:

Now that's interesting! Makes sense!

I feel DeVries could have held on a little longer and gotten more information. :shrug:

[fairmaiden]

On other boards the rumor is Daury was Koen's nickname. :shrug:

The first person I thought of when he said this "friend" moved to Holland, was Guido Wever. He DID move to Holland, didn't he ??

JMO

[HiLife]

Do they keep pay phone records?
They do, here in the U.S. Don't know for sure about Aruba, but I have to imagine they must have a record of the numbers called, right?

Let's HOPE!

[Heyes]

That #$%^&* POS said he didn't even lose a night's sleep over it.......

:flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad:

Sick sick sick.
Now the world gets to hear it for themselves.
wonder how anita feels hearing all this evil out of her own sons mouth?
tacopino must be dying. IMO
If joran wasn't a marked man before, he for sure is now.
IMO

[Luke Davis]

The first person I thought of when he said this "friend" moved to Holland, was Guido Wever. He DID move to Holland, didn't he ??

JMOYes, that is true. But Joran also said ALE never interviewed him. I think that was the case with Koen. But the Gottenbos family moved to Holland then to USA. But I thought Koen was in Florida when Natalee went missing.

:shrug: IMO

[Heyes]

Good lord. joran didn't even know if for sure Natalee was dead. his friend said she was....... She could of been tossed away alive!
What a evil disgusting piece of ........ I hope something "bad" happens to him tonight! Maybe he will do himself in and save everyone the trouble. Evil! Evil! Evil!
he's straight outta he**!
IMO

[HiLife]

Sick sick sick.
Now the world gets to hear it for themselves.
wonder how anita feels hearing all this evil out of her own sons mouth?
tacopino must be dying. IMO
If joran wasn't a marked man before, he for sure is now.
IMO


Joran is a SOUL-LESS POS. He needs some serious mental help if he continues to be loosed upon society!

His family must feel like they are in the pits of H3LL. How they were deceived by this POS for a son they have. They must be devastated - but none more than Natalee's family!

[HiLife]

Good lord. joran didn't even know if for sure Natalee was dead. his friend said she was....... She could of been tossed away alive!
What a evil disgusting piece of ........ I hope something "bad" happens to him tonight! Maybe he will do himself in and save everyone the trouble. Evil! Evil! Evil!
he's straight outta he**!
IMO
The Dutch are all saying that watching it, it is even WORSE! I can't even imagine!

:flamemad:

[Heyes]

It becomes obvious that Joran likes to smoke large amounts of weed. This is why Patrick decides to pose as an experienced weed cultivator which makes Joran look up to him even more.
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Huh had we known we could of just got him some pot!
What a moron!

imo

[Luke Davis]

I can't read Dutch, but it sounds like Daury is Columbian?

NEWS

Quote:
Dat meen je niet. Nee, dat meen je niet. Echt? Maar dat klopt helemaal niet’, is de eerste reactie van de van oorsprong Colombiaanse Daury (21) vanuit Aruba als hij zaterdagnacht verneemt dat Joran van der Sloot (20) zijn naam noemt in de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries.

[Heyes]

Joran is a SOUL-LESS POS. He needs some serious mental help if he continues to be loosed upon society!

His family must feel like they are in the pits of H3LL. How they were deceived by this POS for a son they have. They must be devastated - but none more than Natalee's family!

I just can't work up any sympathy for that POS's parents.
I saw what they did and how they handled it. no way.
I hope they go down with him. After this.... there is not one neighborhood on earth that would want this family.
I do feel for his brothers. they are victims.
The parents? Not a chance in he** , they knew full well what their child was about. They let him prey on women, they helped him cover up his evilness and crimes. Evil evil evil.

IMO

[HiLife]

I just can't work up any sympathy for that POS's parents.
I saw what they did and how they handled it. no way.
I hope they go down with him. After this.... there is not one neighborhood on earth that would want this family.
I do feel for his brothers. they are victims.
The parents? Not a chance in he** , they knew full well what their child was about. They let him prey on women, they helped him cover up his evilness and crimes. Evil evil evil.

IMO

Joran's drug and alcohol problem explain the aggression of the wine-throwing incident. It messes up your thnking - there he was with his parents who were trying to rehabilitate his image and he didn't care. Drugs.

He said he was stoned when he was arrested this last time (and laughs). He was probably stoned on the show, too!

[Heyes]

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.http://www.peterrdevries.com/

Lock this crazy up and throw away the key!
He will kill again. If anyone believes Natalee consented to any of this, they are nuts. This kid rapes, kills, disposes of bodies and doesn't miss a minute of sleep. He is a monster!.
IMO

[Heyes]

Joran's drug and alcohol problem explain the aggression of the wine-throwing incident. It messes up your thnking - there he was with his parents who were trying to rehabilitate his image and he didn't care. Drugs.

He said he was stoned when he was arrested this last time (and laughs). He was probably stoned on the show, too!


He should be stoned!
and I don't mean smoking weed.

[HiLife]

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.http://www.peterrdevries.com/

Lock this crazy up and throw away the key!
He will kill again. If anyone believes Natalee consented to any of this, they are nuts. This kid rapes, kills, disposes of bodies and doesn't miss a minute of sleep. He is a monster!.
IMO

He is truly an evil, monstrous POS!

[HiLife]

He should be stoned!
and I don't mean smoking weed.

Good one! But still too good for that lying sack of ****!

[Heyes]

Good one! But still too good for that lying sack of ****!



The ONLY way out for JoeT at this point, is to drop this murderer as a client.
IMO
Anita, owes Beth a HUGE apology.HUGE!
Beth should sue their a** as well.
Jug should sue
Dave should sue
The people on that island that covered up this crime should be taken out back and shot. Perhaps after the real aruban people see this. The vandersloots will be run out of town and the "officials" will be deported.
That place is dangerous and I hate to see another American even risk setting foot on that piece of dirt.
I don't belive the kalpoes are innocent in all this, not for a moment. nor paulus, he helped joran. IMO
the kalpoes probably left after raping Natalee. After that maybe it's true they don't know what happened.

imo

[fairmaiden]

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.http://www.peterrdevries.com/

Lock this crazy up and throw away the key!
He will kill again. If anyone believes Natalee consented to any of this, they are nuts. This kid rapes, kills, disposes of bodies and doesn't miss a minute of sleep. He is a monster!.
IMO

Now, unbelievably, I had a POWER FAILURE for part of this. "He will kill again??" He confessed to killing Natalee ??

JMO

[Heyes]

Originally Posted by HiLife
<snip>
What do the Joran defenders have to say about this POS now??????


Much ado about nothing.


LOL LOL LOL LOL that's not even believable!
but hey
good luck with that. lol lol

imo

[fairmaiden]

Now, unbelievably, I had a POWER FAILURE for part of this. "He will kill again??" He confessed to killing Natalee ??

JMO

**BUMP** Anyone ??

[Luke Davis]

http://www.whpub.eu/files/daury-francisco.png

[Heyes]

**BUMP** Anyone ??


he doesn't even know if she was dead or alive when she was dumped like trash at sea. I call that murder!

Have you heard anywhere that instead of calling his buddy to dump her body he tried emergency services as soon as he thought she was unconcious. NO!
He called someone to get rid of her. That is a murderer!
imo

[Luke Davis]

**BUMP** Anyone ??Hi FM, not sure what you are asking but things are overwhelming. News coming from all directions, its a gusher.



English translation of show (http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/)

Lots of photos (http://www.telegraaf.nl/)

From my view, looks like Deepak and Satish are in the clear.



IMO

[fairmaiden]

Hi FM, not sure what you are asking but things are overwhelming. News coming from all directions, its a gusher.



English translation of show (http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/)

Lots of photos (http://www.telegraaf.nl/)

From my view, looks like Deepak and Satish are in the clear.



IMO

LOL Luke .... I'm sorry. Like I said, I had a power failure, and wasn't able to follow some of this. Heyes had said something about "Joran killing AGAIN" .... I was asking if he had confessed to killing her.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Hi FM, not sure what you are asking but things are overwhelming. News coming from all directions, its a gusher.



English translation of show (http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/)

Lots of photos (http://www.telegraaf.nl/)

From my view, looks like Deepak and Satish are in the clear.



IMO

Thank you, Luke ....

ETA .... Let's get this suit either settled or into court in California. I feel the same way you do, Luke.

JMO

[Heyes]

Hi FM, not sure what you are asking but things are overwhelming. News coming from all directions, its a gusher.



English translation of show (http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/)

Lots of photos (http://www.telegraaf.nl/)

From my view, looks like Deepak and Satish are in the clear.



IMO

Thanks again Luke!
Fascinating stuff there, huh?
I just can't believe my eyes, tomorrow my ears!
:eek:

[HiLife]

Thanks again Luke!
Fascinating stuff there, huh?
I just can't believe my eyes, tomorrow my ears!
:eek:

Can you believe the POS got into a fight with someone recently at the casino over a gambling debt and PAULUS, yet AGAIN, "fixed" it for Joran?

I cannot believe this!!!

[No Nic]

Can you believe the POS got into a fight with someone recently at the casino over a gambling debt and PAULUS, yet AGAIN, "fixed" it for Joran?

I cannot believe this!!!

Nothing those parents have done or would do to protect that POS would surprise me. I have been all over the blogs today and you would be amazed at what some of Joran worshipers (no other word for it now) are saying. One one of them says this was all cooked up by DeVries and YEP, none other than Beth herself to end this case once and for all because Beth is so close to being exposed and wants it to go away.

On the other hand, some of his most staunch supporters are also calling him a POS.

Whether Joran is telling the truth (and I think most of it is the truth) or not....he is TOAST. He will never have a moments peace or a decent life (if this doesn't put him in prison, something in his future will), his family will never live this down, his brothers will suffer for the rest of their live also. This is the legacy Joran has handed to his family, all by himself, on a silver platter. A normal, productive life for Joran is OVER!!!! (but that's okay with him, he wanted a life of crime with his new bestest buddy, Patrick, anyway. Bwhahahahahahahah

Is it any wonder that Paulus was begging for protection?? Better make it really, really good Paulus. No not a threat (not from me, anyway), but from what I have seen out there on the internet today, there are an awful lot of people who want this POS gone forever, the same fate that he gave Natalee.


imo

[Luke Davis]

Scenes from show (Dutch) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7839720049051941844&q=natalee+holloway&total=420&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=3)

[No Nic]

For those that have always said this case did not hurt the tourism of this deadly island, what you say now?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3199696/__Premier_Aruba_boos_op_Joran___.html?p=7,1

(on line translation, but you get the drift)

HILVERSUM - Premier Oduber of Aruba is angry at Joran van der Sloot. That, he said Sunday in the RTL News. According to the premier, the Dutch boy holiday island much damage. Oduber is the repeated lies of Van der Sloot quite tired. This is the island again negative in the news
He wanted nothing to say about a summit that he had with the public prosecutor. Like everyone, he also awaits the broadcast of Peter R. De Vries of Sunday evening.

70 Percent of income from the island comes from American tourists. Shortly after the disappearance of Holloway were American tourists en masse away from the island. "He plays with the economy of the country", said the Prime Minister.

He wanted nothing to say about a summit that he had with the public prosecutor. Like everyone, he also awaits the broadcast of Peter R. De Vries of Sunday evening.

[HiLife]

For those that have always said this case did not hurt the tourism of this deadly island, what you say now?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3199696/__Premier_Aruba_boos_op_Joran___.html?p=7,1

(on line translation, but you get the drift)

HILVERSUM - Premier Oduber of Aruba is angry at Joran van der Sloot. That, he said Sunday in the RTL News. According to the premier, the Dutch boy holiday island much damage. Oduber is the repeated lies of Van der Sloot quite tired. This is the island again negative in the news
He wanted nothing to say about a summit that he had with the public prosecutor. Like everyone, he also awaits the broadcast of Peter R. De Vries of Sunday evening.

70 Percent of income from the island comes from American tourists. Shortly after the disappearance of Holloway were American tourists en masse away from the island. "He plays with the economy of the country", said the Prime Minister.

He wanted nothing to say about a summit that he had with the public prosecutor. Like everyone, he also awaits the broadcast of Peter R. De Vries of Sunday evening.

And there was Paulus trying to extort $29,000 from the Aruban taxpayer for what his own son caused him.

What about the Dutch M-16 expense and the POOR POOR Aruban people taking dayts off of work to search for Natalee?

Joran stood by and watched this whole thing. This one monster has cause a lot of pain and expense for a LOT of people! Joran owes the whole island of Aruba an APOLOGY (after Beth and the Kalpoes, of course and the Netherlands!)

[No Nic]

And there was Paulus trying to extort $29,000 from the Aruban taxpayer for what his own son caused him.

What about the Dutch M-16 expense and the POOR POOR Aruban people taking dayts off of work to search for Natalee?

Joran stood by and watched this whole thing. This one monster has cause a lot of pain and expense for a LOT of people! Joran owes the whole island of Aruba an APOLOGY (after Beth and the Kalpoes, of course and the Netherlands!)

Joran owes a lot more than an apology, imo. He should make restitution for the millions (remember) that Aruba spent on this investigation. Since he will never be gainfully employed in any position that would pay him above minimum wage, he should be jailed, put on a chain gang and sent to the rock pile to work it off.

[terrysdoor]

Thank you, Luke ....

ETA .... Let's get this suit either settled or into court in California. I feel the same way you do, Luke.

JMO

Hello Fair and everyone........... so if we believe Joran this time then the Kalpoes are innoscent right? so where does that leave Dr.Phil and the tape? IMO

[fairmaiden]

Hello Fair and everyone........... so if we believe Joran this time then the Kalpoes are innoscent right? so where does that leave Dr.Phil and the tape? IMO

Good morning, terry ....

I've always felt the Kalpoe Bros. did NOT "have sex with Natalee", and I've always felt the Dr. Phil tape was altered for CONTENT .... certainly not time constraints.

Like you said .... IF we are to believe what Joran said last night was the truth ((or some version of it)) .... it DOESN'T bode well for Dr. Phil.

JMO

[terrysdoor]

Good morning, terry ....

I've always felt the Kalpoe Bros. did NOT "have sex with Natalee", and I've always felt the Dr. Phil tape was altered for CONTENT .... certainly not time constraints.

Like you said .... IF we are to believe what Joran said last night was the truth ((or some version of it)) .... it DOESN'T bode well for Dr. Phil.

JMO

I never believed they all had sex with Natalee either and i have to admit the tape of Joran is much clearer than the Dr.Phil tape.But didn`t Beth say IIRC that she had a signed confession that they all had sex with her and she just didn`t know what they done afterwards this is not anything against Beth just if she does why don`t she show them the longer this case goes on the more it seems like some kind of game IMO very sad

[fairmaiden]

I never believed they all had sex with Natalee either and i have to admit the tape of Joran is much clearer than the Dr.Phil tape.But didn`t Beth say IIRC that she had a signed confession that they all had sex with her and she just didn`t know what they done afterwards this is not anything against Beth just if she does why don`t she show them the longer this case goes on the more it seems like some kind of game IMO very sad

IIRC .... Beth has said she has a signed confession of JORAN saying he had sex with Natalee .... not all three of them ((I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's wrong)).

I'm not sure what anyone intends to do at this point in time, terry. I don't know if that statement exists.

Anyway .... I'm not sure what's going to happen now .... whether or not Joran is going to be arrested yet again . From all I've read, IF Joran were arrested, and charged with "disposal of a body", for example .... THAT charge alone does not require pre-trial detention.

JMO

[Heyes]

well tacopino is up bright and early, heard him on Fox this morning. Now, he is not really defending his client, just the case. Then he purposly talked over the show host about how this story is defensable. The host you could tell was a bit put off with joe but let him speak, which was great because now joe really looks ridiculous.IMO
I wouldn't be so quick in believing the Kalpoes or paulus didn't have anything to do with this, alot of this story is still BS. he is still protecting someone. IMO.
The bottom line here is joran was with Natalee when she died and then he called for help in dumping her instead of calling for help for Natalee.
joran is toast. His life is over, His parents life is over. Joe can't defend this guy. noone can. The truth is here. Like always believed by most, joran is the reason Natalee is no longer with us.
Beth has been validated and for those who still continue to claim it's Beths fault or Devries, well, it just makes them look as ridiculous as joran or joe. Does make it easier for the rest of us to know who the kooks are though.

IMO

[Grandad]

I notice Dave hasn't jumped on the DeVries bandwagon yet.

I wonder if he's aware how easy it is to manipulate a conversation with someone who's stoned.

[Grandad]

IIRC .... Beth has said she has a signed confession of JORAN saying he had sex with Natalee .... not all three of them ((I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's wrong)).

I'm not sure what anyone intends to do at this point in time, terry. I don't know if that statement exists.

Anyway .... I'm not sure what's going to happen now .... whether or not Joran is going to be arrested yet again . From all I've read, IF Joran were arrested, and charged with "disposal of a body", for example .... THAT charge alone does not require pre-trial detention.

JMO

With the proof being someone who was paid $37,000.00 to keep Joran stoned and manipulating a "confession"?

Just a guy who was willing to help a grieving mother, for $1,750.00 a week.

Do you think he got to keep the Range Rover?

[fairmaiden]

Much ado about nothing.

Morning Grandad .... I don't think I can agree with you on this one.

It was really horrible reading what he maintains happened to Natalee. Do I believe everything he SAYS in his "confession" ?? No, I don't. I think the guy just lies, period !!

At the least, he is a despicable human being. He's never been one of my favorite people .... but I think it's long past him being just a 17 yr. old kid who panicked about Natalee dying accidentally. I think it's much more than that. I think he DOES know what happened to Natalee, whether it be that she DID die accidentally, or he harmed her in some way. I still feel she MAY have died accidentally, but to dump her body in the ocean ((IF that's what he did)) is just beyond words, IMO. I can't imagine ANYONE who knew NOTHING about what happened to Natalee, telling what he did on that tape. It's just beyond belief, to me.

I can't even IMAGINE how his parents feel after watching that video last night ((IF they did)).

JMO

[fairmaiden]

With the proof being someone who was paid $37,000.00 to keep Joran stoned and manipulating a "confession"?

Just a guy who was willing to help a grieving mother, for $1,750.00 a week.

Do you think he got to keep the Range Rover?

Well, Grandad .... These "undercover" things are never really squeaky clean, are they ?? If he "manipulated" a confession, he got one with a great deal of detail. Like I said to terry, do I believe what he said "word for word"?? No. Actually, I doubt very much Joran DOES know how to be entirely truthful.

JMO

[terrysdoor]

Morning Grandad .... I don't think I can agree with you on this one.

It was really horrible reading what he maintains happened to Natalee. Do I believe everything he SAYS in his "confession" ?? No, I don't. I think the guy just lies, period !!

At the least, he is a despicable human being. He's never been one of my favorite people .... but I think it's long past him being just a 17 yr. old kid who panicked about Natalee dying accidentally. I think it's much more than that. I think he DOES know what happened to Natalee, whether it be that she DID die accidentally, or he harmed her in some way. I still feel she MAY have died accidentally, but to dump her body in the ocean ((IF that's what he did)) is just beyond words, IMO. I can't imagine ANYONE who knew NOTHING about what happened to Natalee, telling what he did on that tape. It's just beyond belief, to me.

I can't even IMAGINE how his parents feel after watching that video last night ((IF they did)).

JMO

good post Fair I think to Joran this is a game IMO

[Grandad]

Morning Grandad .... I don't think I can agree with you on this one.

It was really horrible reading what he maintains happened to Natalee. Do I believe everything he SAYS in his "confession" ?? No, I don't. I think the guy just lies, period !!

At the least, he is a despicable human being. He's never been one of my favorite people .... but I think it's long past him being just a 17 yr. old kid who panicked about Natalee dying accidentally. I think it's much more than that. I think he DOES know what happened to Natalee, whether it be that she DID die accidentally, or he harmed her in some way. I still feel she MAY have died accidentally, but to dump her body in the ocean ((IF that's what he did)) is just beyond words, IMO. I can't imagine ANYONE who knew NOTHING about what happened to Natalee, telling what he did on that tape. It's just beyond belief, to me.

I can't even IMAGINE how his parents feel after watching that video last night ((IF they did)).

JMO

I respect your opinion, but I think in many ways Joran still is a 17 year old kid.

I initially thought he was mature for his age, but I do believe the hounding, the harrassment, the incarceration and everything he's endured got to him, and in a way stunted his maturation process.

I agree he appears to have said some very despicable things, but I am wliing to consider the circumstances. I have a neighbor who gets high on pain medication. When he does, he's a very different person, who, if you believe him, has lived about five different lives.

ETA I don't mean my neighbor gets high for kicks, he's a 70 year old guy who lives in extreme pain, and frankly loses track of how much medication he's taken.

[fairmaiden]

I respect your opinion, but I think in many ways Joran still is a 17 year old kid.

I initially thought he was mature for his age, but I do believe the hounding, the harrassment, the incarceration and everything he's endured got to him, and in a way stunted his maturation process.

I agree he appears to have said some very despicable things, but I am wliing to consider the circumstances. I have a neighbor who gets high on pain medication. When he does, he's a very different person, who, if you believe him, has lived about five different lives.

ETA I don't mean my neighbor gets high for kicks, he's a 70 year old guy who lives in extreme pain, and frankly loses track of how much medication he's taken.

I think the description of Joran as a "pathological liar" may indeed be the correct one. I found, when reading his "confession" yesterday, there was a great deal of what I thought was "embellishment", perhaps even a sense of "bravado".

I think the guy just LIES!! I don't believe for one minute what he DID say, about telling this guy "what he wanted to hear". I truly think he ENJOYS all of this, to a certain extent .... I think he enjoys the attention/notoriety it is all bringing him. I mean, the case was closed, for all intents and purposes .... THEN, he spills his guts to someone he doesn't even trust !!??

JMO

[Luke Davis]

And there was Paulus trying to extort $29,000 from the Aruban taxpayer for what his own son caused him.

What about the Dutch M-16 expense and the POOR POOR Aruban people taking dayts off of work to search for Natalee?

Joran stood by and watched this whole thing. This one monster has cause a lot of pain and expense for a LOT of people! Joran owes the whole island of Aruba an APOLOGY (after Beth and the Kalpoes, of course and the Netherlands!)

:beer:

[Luke Davis]

Hello Fair and everyone........... so if we believe Joran this time then the Kalpoes are innoscent right? so where does that leave Dr.Phil and the tape? IMOI think Dr. Phil and others owe Deepak and Satish a big apology.

[terrysdoor]

I think Dr. Phil and others owe Deepak and Satish a big apology.

me too Luke if we can believe Joran this time i wonder if Deepak or Satish will have a coment on this and if i am understanding this confession had been going on for six months would this info not have been available at Joran`s last arrest why not give it to the prsocuter then and maybe they could have held at least Joran IMO

[Grandad]

I think the description of Joran as a "pathological liar" may indeed be the correct one. I found, when reading his "confession" yesterday, there was a great deal of what I thought was "embellishment", perhaps even a sense of "bravado".

I think the guy just LIES!! I don't believe for one minute what he DID say, about telling this guy "what he wanted to hear". I truly think he ENJOYS all of this, to a certain extent .... I think he enjoys the attention/notoriety it is all bringing him. I mean, the case was closed, for all intents and purposes .... THEN, he spills his guts to someone he doesn't even trust !!??

JMO

I don't disagree with any of this, except his spilling his guts to a stranger.

I'd be more inclined to believe Joran thought the informant was associated with DeVries, and the wine tossing was a calculated move to force DeVries hand.

But can't you say the same thing about Beth enjoying the notoriety and attention?

I believe Beth is worse in that she colluded with both DeVries and Phil McGraw, all the while knowing exactly what happened to Natalee.

Joran may be immature, naive and uncaring, but I don't believe he's a calculated scam artist.

[ortiga]

I don't disagree with any of this, except his spilling his guts to a stranger.

I'd be more inclined to believe Joran thought the informant was associated with DeVries, and the wine tossing was a calculated move to force DeVries hand.

But can't you say the same thing about Beth enjoying the notoriety and attention?

I believe Beth is worse in that she colluded with both DeVries and Phil McGraw, all the while knowing exactly what happened to Natalee.

Joran may be immature, naive and uncaring, but I don't believe he's a calculated scam artist.

I can't believe, I REALLY can't believe how she seems to enjoy making the rounds of the talk show to describe how she is ready to mourn now. On GMA she is still talking about "the perpetrators" as though she is stuck on JK2.

Believe it or not, after conversing with Diane Sawyer about the possibility that her daughter may have not been dead when allegedly put in the ocean, a few paragraphs later she remarks:

"gosh I just couldn't take more comfort in knowing now what actually happened".

She went all the way to Holland to appear on the show, when she knew she would be called upon to show emotions, she had to have debated with herself on what to wear, which earrings, hand wringing gestures, and about a possible script.