Lee Peterson

[taylor63]

Does anyone know anymore about this? I heard during the trial, that Laci's stepfather Ron Grantski, saw Mr. Peterson, and told him he was sorry about everything that had happened, and Mr. Peterson responded by saying **** ***. Why was Lee so mean like that? I usually feel just as much sympathy for the families of murder defendants, as I do for the families of victims, but why have the Petersons been so meanspirted like this towards Laci's family especially since they claim to love Laci?

[Lavindar]

Does anyone know anymore about this? I heard during the trial, that Laci's stepfather Ron Grantski, saw Mr. Peterson, and told him he was sorry about everything that had happened, and Mr. Peterson responded by saying **** ***. Why was Lee so mean like that? I usually feel just as much sympathy for the families of murder defendants, as I do for the families of victims, but why have the Petersons been so meanspirted like this towards Laci's family especially since they claim to love Laci?

I think it's easier for them to blame someone else.

[aingael]

I just finished reading Sharon Rocha's book again and one thing that stuck out is Jackie and Lee were loving and friendly when it suited them, ie, when the press was around or if they thought it would benefit Scott.

The attitude of both of the Peterson parents were, in my opinion, appalling and shameful. While I hope any parent would stand with their child during a time like that, to act as if their child were some sort of demi god and above everything is reprehensible. They acted and chances are still continue to act as if nothing should ever happen to their "golden child" no matter what he did. The entitlement attitude does not fall far from the tree.

In a way I feel sorry for Lee's children from his first marriage, they really get the short end of the stick with Scott so privileged and entitled.

[Lili007]

I just finished reading Sharon Rocha's book again and one thing that stuck out is Jackie and Lee were loving and friendly when it suited them, ie, when the press was around or if they thought it would benefit Scott.

The attitude of both of the Peterson parents were, in my opinion, appalling and shameful. While I hope any parent would stand with their child during a time like that, to act as if their child were some sort of demi god and above everything is reprehensible. They acted and chances are still continue to act as if nothing should ever happen to their "golden child" no matter what he did. The entitlement attitude does not fall far from the tree.

In a way I feel sorry for Lee's children from his first marriage, they really get the short end of the stick with Scott so privileged and entitled.

I don't know, but maybe they'd get the same treatment, if they were involved in a crime. :shrug:

One of the many things I thought were so disgusting about this crime is that his parents excused it all the way, and added to it - claiming Laci's jewellery, the baby's crib and gifts... while Laci and Conner were horribly and unnecessarily killed. Aiding and abetting is the least of their problem, IMO. It's the greed that spawns it that is of concern.

And if one looks back at Laci's murder, I think there was a lot of greed and selfishness involved. Like mother, like son, IMO... the formative years are crucial - one would have to wonder about what he learned in his first 7 years or so...

JMO

[taylor63]

I just finished reading Sharon Rocha's book again and one thing that stuck out is Jackie and Lee were loving and friendly when it suited them, ie, when the press was around or if they thought it would benefit Scott.

The attitude of both of the Peterson parents were, in my opinion, appalling and shameful. While I hope any parent would stand with their child during a time like that, to act as if their child were some sort of demi god and above everything is reprehensible. They acted and chances are still continue to act as if nothing should ever happen to their "golden child" no matter what he did. The entitlement attitude does not fall far from the tree.

In a way I feel sorry for Lee's children from his first marriage, they really get the short end of the stick with Scott so privileged and entitled.

And you wonder why Scott turned out the way he did? I guess the old saying "the apple don't fall too far from the tree" really holds true in this case. One thing that really upset me deeply was when Lee called into Larry King and accused Sharon of robbery for wanting to get Laci's things out of her and Scott's home. I normally feel a tremendous amount of compassion for the killer's parents especially when their child has been sentenced to death or life imprisonment,but in the case of the Petersons it is hard for me to because they have been so cruel and vindictive to the victim's family for no reason at all.

[Lavindar]

Sharon wasn't going around saying "we want those" about everything. If the Petersons claim they got nothing, it sure looked like some pretty nice furniture that they were moving out of the house when they broke into it.

[Mysteri]

As a child who lived mainly in an orphanage and in poverty, Jackie truly meant to 'make up for it' by living in style after her marriage to Lee who was ambitious and made a personal fortune in a few short years. Yet neither of them seemed satisfied and always were on the look-out for MORE.

Amy Rocha cut Lee's hair. He was not too proud for a freebie. Remember when he said he wanted to save money on the golf course and that's why Scott had his brother's DL? That was fabrication that was at least semi-credible because of his attitude.

The Petersons consider themselves to be elite. They could never admit the ONLY child between them was a murderous fiend. Better to chase after shadows. They are cruel to ANYONE who doubts thier offspring is less than Perfect. From what I have read, they have disowned Lee's oldest child for refusing to defend Scott LEE. They have also left Ann Bird in the dust, Jackie's only Daughter. Ann is blessed to escape the sacharine facade.




imo

[Lili007]

As a child who lived mainly in an orphanage and in poverty, Jackie truly meant to 'make up for it' by living in style after her marriage to Lee who was ambitious and made a personal fortune in a few short years. Yet neither of them seemed satisfied and always were on the look-out for MORE.

Amy Rocha cut Lee's hair. He was not too proud for a freebie. Remember when he said he wanted to save money on the golf course and that's why Scott had his brother's DL? That was fabrication that was at least semi-credible because of his attitude.

The Petersons consider themselves to be elite. They could never admit the ONLY child between them was a murderous fiend. Better to chase after shadows. They are cruel to ANYONE who doubts thier offspring is less than Perfect. From what I have read, they have disowned Lee's oldest child for refusing to defend Scott LEE. They have also left Ann Bird in the dust, Jackie's only Daughter. Ann is blessed to escape the sacharine facade.

imo

Yes, Ann Bird WAS lucky, in the end. But look at how this family she didn't even know have impacted on her, even though it was for a short period of time, but for the worst of reasons. They tried to make her part of it. Thank Goodness they didn't succeed.

I've no idea what drives Jackie, but I just can''t understand one thing. She gave away her children for adoption, yet she's so possessive and defensive of one child she kept who kills his wife who is pregnant with his son, and her grandson, while doing NOTHING to protect when one of the children she gave away was drawn into this sorry mess. I may be wrong, but I think Ann Bird is well out of it - ALL of it. I wish her and family all the best.

I think there's something very twisted in that family, and I don't think it's Lee, IMO. I think Scott may have been a result of it, IMO, and a lot of people had to suffer for it.

But there's no excuse for taking someone else's life, and the life they carried within them. NONE.


JMO

[Invrdv8]

Yes, Ann Bird WAS lucky, in the end. But look at how this family she didn't even know have impacted on her, even though it was for a short period of time, but for the worst of reasons. They tried to make her part of it. Thank Goodness they didn't succeed.

I've no idea what drives Jackie, but I just can''t understand one thing. She gave away her children for adoption, yet she's so possessive and defensive of one child she kept who kills his wife who is pregnant with his son, and her grandson, while doing NOTHING to protect when one of the children she gave away was drawn into this sorry mess. I may be wrong, but I think Ann Bird is well out of it - ALL of it. I wish her and family all the best.

I think there's something very twisted in that family, and I don't think it's Lee, IMO. I think Scott may have been a result of it, IMO, and a lot of people had to suffer for it.

But there's no excuse for taking someone else's life, and the life they carried within them. NONE.


JMO

IMO, Anne was lucky that Jackie did give her up for adoption, Don too. Can you imagine how they would have turned out if Jackie had raised them? She kept John and from all accounts he had his share of problems. According to Anne she had a good life and was well brought up by her adoptive parents. I think Anne, slowly but surely, was seeing the "real" Jackie and didn't like what she saw. I think she would have eventually distanced herself from the Petersons on her own. IIRC Lee did threaten to disown one of his son's if he went to the vigil that was held for Laci. I have a feeling Lee rules the Peterson family with an iron hand. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say about Scott AFTER Jackie and Lee are no longer with us.

[Lavindar]

IMO, Anne was lucky that Jackie did give her up for adoption, Don too. Can you imagine how they would have turned out if Jackie had raised them? She kept John and from all accounts he had his share of problems. According to Anne she had a good life and was well brought up by her adoptive parents. I think Anne, slowly but surely, was seeing the "real" Jackie and didn't like what she saw. I think she would have eventually distanced herself from the Petersons on her own. IIRC Lee did threaten to disown one of his son's if he went to the vigil that was held for Laci. I have a feeling Lee rules the Peterson family with an iron hand. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say about Scott AFTER Jackie and Lee are no longer with us. That is one sad family. No one steps out of line if they want to "inherit." It's all about the money. It's always been about the money. Getting a new Jag takes precidence over finding out if your son is innocent or guilty of a terrible crime. I hope the Jag keeps them warm at night.

[Mysteri]

I think Lee resented that Ron Grantski had a better life than he had even though Ron had far les money. He tried to pin the murder on Ron out of spite and envy in my opinion.

[Mysteri]

As I recall, Lee didn't even know until years later that Jackie had given up two children . I believe he only found out when Don contacted Jackie. Jackie was/is a secretive individual.

Yet she ingrained it into Scott that her beloved Father had been murdered when she was a child just before Christmas Eve. I think she harped on it to him over the years so that he associated Murder with Christmas Eve. Yet I don't think she realised until years later that she had implanted something more than her Father's murder into Scott's mind. They were both obsessed with the murder in a different way.

Her backgound has made Lee very protective of her, feeling pity and yet it has been a catalyst for dark deeds.

I truly believe that the only remorse felt by Scott, Lee and Jackie is that Scott isn't Free to 'charm' others as he did Laci and Sharon.

Good for Dennis Rocha who never trusted Scott. Too bad he couldn't have stopped the marriage he never wanted for his oldest Daughter.

imo

[Lili007]

IMO, Anne was lucky that Jackie did give her up for adoption, Don too. Can you imagine how they would have turned out if Jackie had raised them? She kept John and from all accounts he had his share of problems. According to Anne she had a good life and was well brought up by her adoptive parents. I think Anne, slowly but surely, was seeing the "real" Jackie and didn't like what she saw. I think she would have eventually distanced herself from the Petersons on her own. IIRC Lee did threaten to disown one of his son's if he went to the vigil that was held for Laci. I have a feeling Lee rules the Peterson family with an iron hand. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say about Scott AFTER Jackie and Lee are no longer with us.

My feeling was that it was Jackie who dictated not only in her own family, but in her children's families, pointing to Laci and Scott, as this is the subject of discussion. I think she interefered as much as she could, and more. In the end, I think she tried to pretend that nothing happened, when I think she knew very differently, IMO. Why the secret car bought in her name by a man named "Jackie" and the thousands of dollars in cash found in the car registered in "Jackie's" name when Scott was making a dash for the Mexican border?

Anyway, I think her "deny, deny" comment says it all, IMO.

JMO

[Lili007]

That is one sad family. No one steps out of line if they want to "inherit." It's all about the money. It's always been about the money. Getting a new Jag takes precidence over finding out if your son is innocent or guilty of a terrible crime. I hope the Jag keeps them warm at night.

I doubt it, Lavindar.

I hope they've learned that material possessions will never keep them warm, at heart, in the depth of their souls. Anyone can get an electric blanket and many people can buy a Jag. But that hardly matches or makes up for the warmth that comes from a loving, and loved, family. IMO, they could be billionaires, but if they have no-one who loves them for who they are, as opposed to what they own or leave as inheritance, they are the worst off.

And if they care more about what they own and what else they can get their hands on in a hurry, than their daughter-in-law and unborn grandchild being killed, that's beyond sad.

JMO

[Mysteri]

I doubt it, Lavindar.

I hope they've learned that material possessions will never keep them warm, at heart, in the depth of their souls. Anyone can get an electric blanket and many people can buy a Jag. But that hardly matches or makes up for the warmth that comes from a loving, and loved, family. IMO, they could be billionaires, but if they have no-one who loves them for who they are, as opposed to what they own or leave as inheritance, they are the worst off.

And if they care more about what they own and what else they can get their hands on in a hurry, than their daughter-in-law and unborn grandchild being killed, that's beyond sad.

JMO

I was just horrified when the Peterson's spoke with Barbara Walters and kept calling the baby 'it' and 'Laci's baby.' They seemed to have had no attachment at all to the expected Grandchild !!

Lee spoke of philandering during preganancy as if it were the norm and entirely acceptable.

Cold as ice.

imo

[Lavindar]

I was just horrified when the Peterson's spoke with Barbara Walters and kept calling the baby 'it' and 'Laci's baby.' They seemed to have had no attachment at all to the expected Grandchild !!

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imo

I don't think I ever heard Jackie refer to Conner by name or as "my grandchild." or even "Scott's son." It was always on a very impersonal level, like she had no attachment to him.

[Suzanne30]

I don't think I ever heard Jackie refer to Conner by name or as "my grandchild." or even "Scott's son." It was always on a very impersonal level, like she had no attachment to him.

Maybe Scott implied to them that the baby might not be his. There's no telling what he told them about Laci.

[Mysteri]

I don't think I ever heard Jackie refer to Conner by name or as "my grandchild." or even "Scott's son." It was always on a very impersonal level, like she had no attachment to him.

Right, when they became Negative about Laci ( as soon as Scott was accused ) , they distanced themselves from all and anything to do with Laci.

Catherine Crier said that there was a taped phone conversation between Jackie and Scott two weeks after Laci's 'disappearance' wherein Jackie asked Scott if they could have Conner's things for another Grandchild who has just been born.

Illustrates they BOTH knew Laci was gone forever and that material possessions were a priority.

imo

[Mysteri]

Maybe Scott implied to them that the baby might not be his. There's no telling what he told them about Laci.

In fact a rumour was spread that Laci may have been pregnant by another man.
Daniel Horowitz suggested it on national tv ( as a lawyer guest on the Nancy Grace Show ) and much later apologized to Sharon Rocha for the speculation.

The idea was so preposterous that even Jackie dared not mention it.

imo

[Suzanne30]

In fact a rumour was spread that Laci may have been pregnant by another man.
Daniel Horowitz suggested it on national tv ( as a lawyer guest on the Nancy Grace Show ) and much later apologized to Sharon Rocha for the speculation.

The idea was so preposterous that even Jackie dared not mention it.

imo

I remember that. I wonder why Daniel Horowitz would say that. Speculation on his part? I'm glad he apologised to Sharon.

[Luke Davis]

I remember that. I wonder why Daniel Horowitz would say that. Speculation on his part? I'm glad he apologised to Sharon.
I think there was some confusion with Amber who was getting child support from a man who was not her daughter's father.

[deputydi]

I think there was some confusion with Amber who was getting child support from a man who was not her daughter's father.
Dan Horowitz wasn't confused at all -- I do remember his words, but can't recall in what context the comment was made. IIRC, the news about Amber getting support from a man who was not Ayianna's father came long after the trial was over. I could be wrong about the timing, but Dan H definitely made the comment about Conner's parentage.

[TopGunner]

Dan Horowitz wasn't confused at all -- I do remember his words, but can't recall in what context the comment was made. IIRC, the news about Amber getting support from a man who was not Ayianna's father came long after the trial was over. I could be wrong about the timing, but Dan H definitely made the comment about Conner's parentage.

Hi DD, good seeing you. :seeya:

I remember watching LKL when DH apologized to SR, and she graciously accepted. I believe he had just lost his wife, and you could see the understanding he suddenly had of Sharon's pain, he seemed very sincere.

[cookiewench]

The one who I find most annoying is Janey.

The senior P's have at least the excuse that they don't want to believe that their son is a cold-blooded murder (not that they don't know it).

Janey is just so smug. You get the feeling that she's almost pleased that the attractive, smart DIL is gone and now she gets to be center stage.....spokesperson for the family.

And John. "The truth with set Scott free!". Ugh. Wrong, buddy. The truth put him on death row.

[Otter]

I think there was some confusion with Amber who was getting child support from a man who was not her daughter's father.

Yeah maybe in your head Luke. Nope, I saw it live and will never forget. The Amber thing had nothing to do with Laci. Waaaay after the fact. Get your timing straight. ;)

Horowitz stated that Conner was not the seed of DRISP.

Shame on him. Like Sharon didn't have enough to deal with. Another lie and proven to be a lie.

[Luke Davis]

Dan Horowitz wasn\'t confused at all -- I do remember his words, but can\'t recall in what context the comment was made. IIRC, the news about Amber getting support from a man who was not Ayianna\'s father came long after the trial was over. I could be wrong about the timing, but Dan H definitely made the comment about Conner\'s parentage.You are likely right. I\'m probably mixing the two up.

[Luke Davis]

Yeah maybe in your head Luke. Nope, I saw it live and will never forget. The Amber thing had nothing to do with Laci. Waaaay after the fact. Get your timing straight. ;)

Horowitz stated that Conner was not the seed of DRISP.

Shame on him. Like Sharon didn\'t have enough to deal with. Another lie and proven to be a lie.

Sorry, my memory isn\'t serving me well and I\'ve dumped my bookmarks.

[SON OF TIVO]

The one who I find most annoying is Janey.

The senior P's have at least the excuse that they don't want to believe that their son is a cold-blooded murder (not that they don't know it).

Janey is just so smug. You get the feeling that she's almost pleased that the attractive, smart DIL is gone and now she gets to be center stage.....spokesperson for the family.

And John. "The truth with set Scott free!". Ugh. Wrong, buddy. The truth put him on death row.

I agree Cookie..But I think John actually said " And the tooth swhall set Scott fwree."

Then he was dragged off by his arm by the SeaMonster Jackie.

[cookiewench]

[/B]

I agree Cookie..But I think John actually said " And the tooth swhall set Scott fwree."

Then he was dragged off by his arm by the SeaMonster Jackie.

LOL! It did sound like that, didn't it!

I almost felt sorry for him, because it seemed like he'd been waiting all day to speak that line to the press, and then blew it!

[Mysteri]

As a defense attorney in Geragos' corner, I think Horowitz wanted to spread some red herrings about Laci.

I always thought it was amusing in a way because SLP was always so arrogant about his 'romantic relationship.' It would have done him good to think that Laci preferred someone else to him. Someone who didn't need Viagra.

I did hope his giant ego was a bit deflated by Horowitz's casual remark. Scott takes himself VERY seriously ! Did his jaw drop at the idea ? I hope so !!!!!


imo

[Lavindar]

As a defense attorney in Geragos' corner, I think Horowitz wanted to spread some red herrings about Laci.

I always thought it was amusing in a way because SLP was always so arrogant about his 'romantic relationship.' It would have done him good to think that Laci preferred someone else to him. Someone who didn't need Viagra.

I did hope his giant ego was a bit deflated by Horowitz's casual remark. Scott takes himself VERY seriously ! Did his jaw drop at the idea ? I hope so !!!!!


imo

Horrorwitz should have been publicly slapped by someone for that lie. I do believe Ma and Pa P were behind it - part of their denial that Connder was Scott's child by referring to Conner as "it," "the baby," or "Laci's baby. I find that so chilling. Horrorwitz took it one step farther by claiming that Laci had an affair with her trainer. LOL, the place she went to for her exercise during her pregnancy did not have "trainers" in the common usage. She had a Yoga instructor, who, by the way was female, and the last I Heard, a female can't get another female pregnant unless laws of anatomy have changed.

[TopGunner]

Horrorwitz should have been publicly slapped by someone for that lie. I do believe Ma and Pa P were behind it - part of their denial that Connder was Scott's child by referring to Conner as "it," "the baby," or "Laci's baby. I find that so chilling. Horrorwitz took it one step farther by claiming that Laci had an affair with her trainer. LOL, the place she went to for her exercise during her pregnancy did not have "trainers" in the common usage. She had a Yoga instructor, who, by the way was female, and the last I Heard, a female can't get another female pregnant unless laws of anatomy have changed.

Lav, ITA. Every time I've started to have some sympathy for the Peterson's, I remember all their cr*p...right up to them suing the Rocha's for 30g's well after the trial, for half the mortgage payments they paid. The mortgage payments for a house they changed the locks on, they changed the alarm code on, that they refused to allow the Rocha's into stating that "there was nothing left of Laci there", and the house they wouldn't even allow Sharon to continue watering Laci's flowers at. After all, Jackie said, I just want what's just and fair. Well, by golly, she got it! :tongue: Anyhow, I wouldn't put anything past them, unfortunately.

[Otter]

Lav, ITA. Every time I've started to have some sympathy for the Peterson's, I remember all their cr*p...right up to them suing the Rocha's for 30g's well after the trial, for half the mortgage payments they paid. The mortgage payments for a house they changed the locks on, they changed the alarm code on, that they refused to allow the Rocha's into stating that "there was nothing left of Laci there", and the house they wouldn't even allow Sharon to continue watering Laci's flowers at. After all, Jackie said, I just want what's just and fair. Well, by golly, she got it! :tongue: Anyhow, I wouldn't put anything past them, unfortunately.

You and me both TG on the sympathy thing. So much time has passed but then all the bad behavior comes back again. The Jackal even sued Sharon for a vacuum! Let alone the defense team swimming in Laci's pool.

Ugh, when the media appeared in Modesto in force after the arrest DH was handing out resumes like there was no tomorrow. "Please, please, pretty please put me on tv!". Controversial doesn't mean stupid Dan. Or mean and uninformed. He was all three, and more that do not need mentioning.

Hasn't he remarried already? See, throw out a tidbit of gossip that I know nothing about. How does that feel Dan? :no:

[Lili007]

The one who I find most annoying is Janey.

The senior P's have at least the excuse that they don't want to believe that their son is a cold-blooded murder (not that they don't know it).

Janey is just so smug. You get the feeling that she's almost pleased that the attractive, smart DIL is gone and now she gets to be center stage.....spokesperson for the family.

And John. "The truth with set Scott free!". Ugh. Wrong, buddy. The truth put him on death row.

I agree with that. It was like she was on a crusade. Parents, I can understand, though I think Jackie went too far. But what's the score with Janey? She was the most militant and vocal. For what? Someone she supposedly hardly knew as a brother-in-law? It doesn't make much sense. His brothers were silent. But his SIL went to war (so to speak) for him. So what gives? I always found it that very strange. :shrug:

Thanks for reminding us about that, Cookiewench :seeya:

JMO

[Lavindar]

I remember that. I wonder why Daniel Horowitz would say that. Speculation on his part? I'm glad he apologised to Sharon.

I believed then and still do that Daniel Horowitz was on the Geragos payroll and was paid to palnt monstrous lies in the press to make Scott look good.

Maybe he, along with Cardoza, was promised positions in the new Northern California firm of Geragos & Geragos.

[Heyes]

Does anyone know anymore about this? I heard during the trial, that Laci's stepfather Ron Grantski, saw Mr. Peterson, and told him he was sorry about everything that had happened, and Mr. Peterson responded by saying F you. Why was Lee so mean like that? I usually feel just as much sympathy for the families of murder defendants, as I do for the families of victims, but why have the Petersons been so meanspirted like this towards Laci's family especially since they claim to love Laci?

I remember there were a couple of times that Lee acted up in the courthouse. a couple of times it was outside court and directed to Ron. Then iirc, he or jackie were asked by the judge to straughten their act out or they will be asked to leave. Maybe someone remembers better than I the circumstances surrounding what happened in the court room.
What always seemed very odd was the day of the verdict. Lee and geragos had no idea that the jury may come up with a verdict? On a friday. I haven't talked to anyone yet that didn't expect it was very possible it would come in that day. Lee not being there always seemed strange. geragos? lol I don't blame him. After the boat incident I bet he didn't ever want to come back to that city.
Now Janey, that's a wierd one. Everyday she would strut into court with her purse dangling off her wrist and looking like jackies bodyguard/care giver. Her mother, IIRC owned a PR company so I'm assuming janey felt more than qualified to be in charge.I kept waiting for her to back off, the more that came out about scott and his actions the more I was waiting for this sister in law to show some sort of embarrassment, something.
Jackies actions were dispicable. This crazy woman took off her oxygen mask got a moving van and loaded up laci's stuff, (remember the freaking ironing board?), because....lol lol "Scott is going to need it!"
Also remember the "tip" line that the petersons took it upon themselves to establish? Even though there was already a tip line? Jackie wrote a letter to Sharon and wanted them to pay for it. Of course sharon said no. The nerve of that woman, they weren't even passing on tips according to the investigators.
imo

[Mysteri]

Horrorwitz should have been publicly slapped by someone for that lie. I do believe Ma and Pa P were behind it - part of their denial that Connder was Scott's child by referring to Conner as "it," "the baby," or "Laci's baby. I find that so chilling. Horrorwitz took it one step farther by claiming that Laci had an affair with her trainer. LOL, the place she went to for her exercise during her pregnancy did not have "trainers" in the common usage. She had a Yoga instructor, who, by the way was female, and the last I Heard, a female can't get another female pregnant unless laws of anatomy have changed.

You may have noticed that I said the EXACT same things already about how the Peterson's referred to Conner.

'Trainer?' When did Horowitz suggest it was her 'trainer?' When I saw him say it on tv, he didn't mention WHO it might have been. I seriously doubt he took any orders from the Petersons.

imo

[Lavindar]

Lav, ITA. Every time I've started to have some sympathy for the Peterson's, I remember all their cr*p...right up to them suing the Rocha's for 30g's well after the trial, for half the mortgage payments they paid. The mortgage payments for a house they changed the locks on, they changed the alarm code on, that they refused to allow the Rocha's into stating that "there was nothing left of Laci there", and the house they wouldn't even allow Sharon to continue watering Laci's flowers at. After all, Jackie said, I just want what's just and fair. Well, by golly, she got it! :tongue: Anyhow, I wouldn't put anything past them, unfortunately.



The Petersons made ample use of that home during everything that was going on in Modesto. Remember Lee's comment about sleeping with a gun as he was walking in the gate? They even put their names on the deed for Covena. Don't forget their allowing members of the defense team "swimming privileges, too. Seems that everyone BUT the Rochas had plenty of access to the Covena property.

[Lavindar]

You may have noticed that I said the EXACT same things already about how the Peterson's referred to Conner.

'Trainer?' When did Horowitz suggest it was her 'trainer?' When I saw him say it on tv, he didn't mention WHO it might have been. I seriously doubt he took any orders from the Petersons.

imo

The rumors that were planted were that Laci was having an affair with her "trainer" a "PE teacher" and other accusations along those lines. Guess the Petersons and the defense team couldn't handle someone who was faithful to her spouse. Guess it just isn't so in their circles.

[Mysteri]

I remember there were a couple of times that Lee acted up in the courthouse. a couple of times it was outside court and directed to Ron. Then iirc, he or jackie were asked by the judge to straughten their act out or they will be asked to leave. Maybe someone remembers better than I the circumstances surrounding what happened in the court room.
What always seemed very odd was the day of the verdict. Lee and geragos had no idea that the jury may come up with a verdict? On a friday. I haven't talked to anyone yet that didn't expect it was very possible it would come in that day. Lee not being there always seemed strange. geragos? lol I don't blame him. After the boat incident I bet he didn't ever want to come back to that city.
Now Janey, that's a wierd one. Everyday she would strut into court with her purse dangling off her wrist and looking like jackies bodyguard/care giver. Her mother, IIRC owned a PR company so I'm assuming janey felt more than qualified to be in charge.I kept waiting for her to back off, the more that came out about scott and his actions the more I was waiting for this sister in law to show some sort of embarrassment, something.
Jackies actions were dispicable. This crazy woman took off her oxygen mask got a moving van and loaded up laci's stuff, (remember the freaking ironing board?), because....lol lol "Scott is going to need it!"
Also remember the "tip" line that the petersons took it upon themselves to establish? Even though there was already a tip line? Jackie wrote a letter to Sharon and wanted them to pay for it. Of course sharon said no. The nerve of that woman, they weren't even passing on tips according to the investigators.
imo

So true !!
Di Lucchi was so fed up with the Petersons at one point that he had them sit in the back of the court room instead of their usual place close to Scott's position in the front. They were fuming !!!

Here's one example of Lee mouthing off:

ROCHA: Well, I personally didn`t have anything -- well, I did have confrontation, I take that back. I talk about it in the book. But the time that you`re talking about is when we were going down the escalator. Ron, myself and Alex`s lawyer with the DA`s office and Lee was saying a few thing things in our direction.

GRACE: I remember that.

ROCHA: And Ron responded by saying that yes, there was plenty of evidence and Lee shouted out, You idiot! And I remember looking up thinking OK, I just want to get out of here as quickly as possible. And it just seemed to escalate from there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/25/ng.01.html

Many of us thought we might lose our lunch when Janey testified about her fluffy slippies and how Inpressive the Peterson house was !! Makes me wonder if she was homeless when she met them!

I don't think either Lee or Geragos could bear the public humilation of Scott being found totally guilty. But of course Jackie is tougher than old boots and showed up with a vengeance. Your'e so right, her performance while removing all those things from Laci's house was pathetic! As if Scott would be released any day now. I'm so happy the neighbours notified Sharon !!

imo

[Mysteri]

The rumors that were planted were that Laci was having an affair with her "trainer" a "PE teacher" and other accusations along those lines. Guess the Petersons and the defense team couldn't handle someone who was faithful to her spouse. Guess it just isn't so in their circles.

I certainly agree!

[Lili007]

I remember there were a couple of times that Lee acted up in the courthouse. a couple of times it was outside court and directed to Ron. Then iirc, he or jackie were asked by the judge to straughten their act out or they will be asked to leave. Maybe someone remembers better than I the circumstances surrounding what happened in the court room.
What always seemed very odd was the day of the verdict. Lee and geragos had no idea that the jury may come up with a verdict? On a friday. I haven't talked to anyone yet that didn't expect it was very possible it would come in that day. Lee not being there always seemed strange. geragos? lol I don't blame him. After the boat incident I bet he didn't ever want to come back to that city.
Now Janey, that's a wierd one. Everyday she would strut into court with her purse dangling off her wrist and looking like jackies bodyguard/care giver. Her mother, IIRC owned a PR company so I'm assuming janey felt more than qualified to be in charge.I kept waiting for her to back off, the more that came out about scott and his actions the more I was waiting for this sister in law to show some sort of embarrassment, something.
Jackies actions were dispicable. This crazy woman took off her oxygen mask got a moving van and loaded up laci's stuff, (remember the freaking ironing board?), because....lol lol "Scott is going to need it!"
Also remember the "tip" line that the petersons took it upon themselves to establish? Even though there was already a tip line? Jackie wrote a letter to Sharon and wanted them to pay for it. Of course sharon said no. The nerve of that woman, they weren't even passing on tips according to the investigators.
imo

That thing about steeling stuff from the house was just unbelievably gross. It just goes to show. And about the tip line, I think they just did it for show. I think they already knew the score.

Just My Opinion

[Lili007]

That thing about steeling stuff from the house was just unbelievably gross. It just goes to show. And about the tip line, I think they just did it for show. I think they already knew the score.

Just My Opinion

I meant stealing. :o

[deputydi]

Hi DD, good seeing you. :seeya:

I remember watching LKL when DH apologized to SR, and she graciously accepted. I believe he had just lost his wife, and you could see the understanding he suddenly had of Sharon's pain, he seemed very sincere.
Hi TG :seeya:

I didn't see the apology. I am glad he made it and I'm glad Sharon accepted.

I've tried real hard to stay away from any threads that turn into a Peterson bash fest. I have tried to put myself in their shoes and I hope I would behave with more class, but I just don't know. They had to have been heartbroken on two counts -- can you imagine being faced with the possibility that your son murdered his wife and unborn child in cold blood? I believe most of us would spend a lot of time in denial also. What really made me lose all sympathy for the Petersons was the debacle over Laci's belongings. How Jackie could deny access to Laci's home and belongings to Sharon had me completely baffled. What on earth was Jackie going to do with Laci's wedding dress or her watering can? These items, among others, held very special sentimental memories for Sharon. Then Geragos and that idiot Matt Dalton blew the whole incident totally out of proportion. I lost all sympathy and respect for the Petersons after this.

[adnoid]

...What really made me lose all sympathy for the Petersons was the debacle over Laci's belongings. How Jackie could deny access to Laci's home and belongings to Sharon had me completely baffled...

I'll tell you what, from my discussions that did it for a lot of people. Many of the actions could be explained some way or another, but the only explanation for the way JO2 treated Laci's family is pure, undiluted meanness.

[TopGunner]

I'll tell you what, from my discussions that did it for a lot of people. Many of the actions could be explained some way or another, but the only explanation for the way JO2 treated Laci's family is pure, undiluted meanness.

JP isn't satisfied with twisting the knife, she's got to throw the gasoline too. :flamemad:

[Invrdv8]

My feeling was that it was Jackie who dictated not only in her own family, but in her children's families, pointing to Laci and Scott, as this is the subject of discussion. I think she interefered as much as she could, and more. In the end, I think she tried to pretend that nothing happened, when I think she knew very differently, IMO. Why the secret car bought in her name by a man named "Jackie" and the thousands of dollars in cash found in the car registered in "Jackie's" name when Scott was making a dash for the Mexican border?

Anyway, I think her "deny, deny" comment says it all, IMO.

JMO

The "subject of discussion" on this thread is Lee Peterson, not Laci and Scott. I think Lee made it clear that his family follow his wishes if they expected to reap the benefits (inheritance) after he's gone. Unless Lee specifically names his beneficeries and exactly what he wants them to have everything will go to Jackie and I don't see her "sharing" with anyone. I don't see the car in Jackie's name or the cash Scott had when he was arrested as "interference" by Jackie. IMO, I'd call it more like "aiding and abetting". If Scott was making a "dash for the Mexican border" why did he waste so much time hanging around the golf course? I'm sure Mexicao is where he intended to go but, he didn't appear to be in any great hurry to get there. JMO

[margaritaville]

The "subject of discussion" on this thread is Lee Peterson, not Laci and Scott. I think Lee made it clear that his family follow his wishes if they expected to reap the benefits (inheritance) after he's gone. Unless Lee specifically names his beneficeries and exactly what he wants them to have everything will go to Jackie and I don't see her "sharing" with anyone. I don't see the car in Jackie's name or the cash Scott had when he was arrested as "interference" by Jackie. IMO, I'd call it more like "aiding and abetting". If Scott was making a "dash for the Mexican border" why did he waste so much time hanging around the golf course? I'm sure Mexicao is where he intended to go but, he didn't appear to be in any great hurry to get there. JMO

He never had a chance to get there. He was being followed and he certainly didn't want to be "caught" crossing the border that would have made him look like he was running from something..

Of course his convenient hair color change, camping gear, water purifier and several changes of clothes didn't make it look at all like that was his master plan..lol

[Jadedblueeyes]

Hi TG :seeya:

I didn't see the apology. I am glad he made it and I'm glad Sharon accepted.

I've tried real hard to stay away from any threads that turn into a Peterson bash fest. I have tried to put myself in their shoes and I hope I would behave with more class, but I just don't know. They had to have been heartbroken on two counts -- can you imagine being faced with the possibility that your son murdered his wife and unborn child in cold blood? I believe most of us would spend a lot of time in denial also. What really made me lose all sympathy for the Petersons was the debacle over Laci's belongings. How Jackie could deny access to Laci's home and belongings to Sharon had me completely baffled. What on earth was Jackie going to do with Laci's wedding dress or her watering can? These items, among others, held very special sentimental memories for Sharon. Then Geragos and that idiot Matt Dalton blew the whole incident totally out of proportion. I lost all sympathy and respect for the Petersons after this.

Hi Di, long time no "see"!:seeya:

I have often wondered if it really was heartbreak they felt or actual rage that one of their children could have done this and blighted the Peterson name. I remember when Jackie learned that Laci and Connor's bodies had been found or when it was first surmised they both were most likely in the bay somewhere Jackie was to have said to Scott "you wouldn't be that stupid would you, Scott?" (paraphrasing)

I still continue to think there are family secrets in that family known only to them and they will never out it. The relationship with their son seemed to be nothing but building a shallow image of the outward "perfect son" and I think they too had seen Scott's rage before but of course they would never tell anyone or tarnish the false image they had so laboriously built. To hear them tell it Scott had never had an imperfection in his entire life. They tried to pretend he was flawless because it made them the parents that had born the flawless perfect son and imo it was more about how they must appear to be rather than what was in their hearts.

imoo

[enlightenme]

Hi Di, long time no "see"!:seeya:

I have often wondered if it really was heartbreak they felt or actual rage that one of their children could have done this and blighted the Peterson name. I remember when Jackie learned that Laci and Connor's bodies had been found or when it was first surmised they both were most likely in the bay somewhere Jackie was to have said to Scott "you wouldn't be that stupid would you, Scott?" (paraphrasing)

I still continue to think there are family secrets in that family known only to them and they will never out it. The relationship with their son seemed to be nothing but building a shallow image of the outward "perfect son" and I think they too had seen Scott's rage before but of course they would never tell anyone or tarnish the false image they had so laboriously built. To hear them tell it Scott had never had an imperfection in his entire life. They tried to pretend he was flawless because it made them the parents that had born the flawless perfect son and imo it was more about how they must appear to be rather than what was in their hearts.

imoo

:seeya: Hi Ocean. Or should I say Jaded here?

Oh yes, it WAS more about them than it's ever been about Scott, IMO.

Remember, they came to Modesto so that everyone could see that Scott came from a good family? They said Scott could not be a killer because "it's not in his genes".

During the Victim Impact Statements, they both spoke up in court when Brent said something about Scott crying to him by the pool about his messed up childhood.

:cool:

[TopGunner]

:seeya: Hi Ocean. Or should I say Jaded here?

Oh yes, it WAS more about them than it's ever been about Scott, IMO.

Remember, they came to Modesto so that everyone could see that Scott came from a good family? They said Scott could not be a killer because "it's not in his genes".

During the Victim Impact Statements, they both spoke up in court when Brent said something about Scott crying to him by the pool about his messed up childhood.

:cool:

You know EM, even after all these years, we're still guessing about their mindset. Let's face it, all families are dysfunctional to some degree, but this is like the family with the raging alcoholic that nobody will acknowledge. In a situation like this, the entire family is sick, not just the one who drinks. Nobody talks about it, everyone's afraid or in denial. They do not, or cannot see what the average Joe can easily recognize. The P's remind me of that. Burried so deep inside their denial, their "story", I almost believe that they believe themselves. Almost.
:no:

[Jadedblueeyes]

:seeya: Hi Ocean. Or should I say Jaded here?

Oh yes, it WAS more about them than it's ever been about Scott, IMO.

Remember, they came to Modesto so that everyone could see that Scott came from a good family? They said Scott could not be a killer because "it's not in his genes".

During the Victim Impact Statements, they both spoke up in court when Brent said something about Scott crying to him by the pool about his messed up childhood.

:cool:

Hi sweetie, how are you?:seeya: Oh you can call me Ocean, most still call me that anyway no matter if it is here or CTV. lol

Yes, I will always believe the Peterson were more in love with Scott's faux image than they ever were with him as an individual.

imoo

[WaitN4Ever]

Does anyone know anymore about this? I heard during the trial, that Laci's stepfather Ron Grantski, saw Mr. Peterson, and told him he was sorry about everything that had happened, and Mr. Peterson responded by saying F you. Why was Lee so mean like that? I usually feel just as much sympathy for the families of murder defendants, as I do for the families of victims, but why have the Petersons been so meanspirted like this towards Laci's family especially since they claim to love Laci?


This is only hearsay. I don't and will not believe that Lee would pull such a stunt. The Petersons cared for Laci and Conner, they also lost a grandchild when they lost Laci.

[Hipcheck]

This is only hearsay. I don't and will not believe that Lee would pull such a stunt. The Petersons cared for Laci and Conner, they also lost a grandchild when they lost Laci.

It is not hearsay. That was reported by Court TV right after it happened.

Ron Grantski said to Lee Peterson "I'm sorry" right after the verdict and Lee responded back **** ***

Lee Peterson showed that he has no class at all.
:cuss:

[Lavindar]

:seeya: Hi Ocean. Or should I say Jaded here?

Oh yes, it WAS more about them than it's ever been about Scott, IMO.

Remember, they came to Modesto so that everyone could see that Scott came from a good family? They said Scott could not be a killer because "it's not in his genes".

During the Victim Impact Statements, they both spoke up in court when Brent said something about Scott crying to him by the pool about his messed up childhood.

:cool:


Didn't one of them shout out "LIAR" when Brent was testifying during the impact statement?

[Lavindar]

This is only hearsay. I don't and will not believe that Lee would pull such a stunt. The Petersons cared for Laci and Conner, they also lost a grandchild when they lost Laci.

I believe the Judge repremanded them for their behaviot. I sure didn't see Ron shouting out anything during court.

[WaitN4Ever]

I believe the Judge repremanded them for their behaviot. I sure didn't see Ron shouting out anything during court.

If my innocent son was being accused of a crime he didn't committe I would be upset too. But I still don't think that Lee would've said nasties to the Rochas. I think people were reading more into this then it appears.

[I'mSun]

If my innocent son was being accused of a crime he didn't committe I would be upset too. But I still don't think that Lee would've said nasties to the Rochas. I think people were reading more into this then it appears.Lee's son is not innocent. Remember, he was found guilty in a court of law of murdering his wife and unborn child. Lee had no reason to be nasty to Ron. Ron didn't do anything.

[WaitN4Ever]

Lee's son is not innocent. Remember, he was found guilty in a court of law of murdering his wife and unborn child. Lee had no reason to be nasty to Ron. Ron didn't do anything.

At the time Scott wasn't considered Guilty in a court of law. Only by the public and the Rochas. So yes at the time he was innocent, he was only faulsy accused and then he was convicted actually prior to the arrest. Remember the Lynch Mob that was by the jail in Modesto at the time of his arrest. :no:

[I'mSun]

At the time Scott wasn't considered Guilty in a court of law. Only by the public and the Rochas. So yes at the time he was innocent, he was only faulsy accused and then he was convicted actually prior to the arrest. Remember the Lynch Mob that was by the jail in Modesto at the time of his arrest. :no:Um, are you sure you are talking about the sme Scott eterson case the rest of us are talking about? Your timeline seems to be way off from the way events actually happened.

[TopGunner]

At the time Scott wasn't considered Guilty in a court of law. Only by the public and the Rochas. So yes at the time he was innocent, he was only faulsy accused and then he was convicted actually prior to the arrest. Remember the Lynch Mob that was by the jail in Modesto at the time of his arrest. :no:

Correction: It was not a lynch mob, it was a relief mob. No caps.:patriot:

[WaitN4Ever]

Um, are you sure you are talking about the sme Scott eterson case the rest of us are talking about? Your timeline seems to be way off from the way events actually happened.


I've only begun to post on message board. I'm still trying to figure out how things work here. I did figure out the quote thing.

I think we are discussing Scott Peterson that is located in San Q Prison who was wrongly accused of killing Laci Peterson and his unborn son Conner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is whom I'm talking about.

I may have the timeline wrong but I know pretty much what took place. I just don't believe this man murdered his wife. I've not seen any proof. No evidence that leads to his guilt. Only media pressure and media conviction. People tend to believe what is written in papers and not taking in consideration what the actual facts are.

[WaitN4Ever]

Correction: It was not a lynch mob, it was a relief mob. No caps.:patriot:

He was in custody of the police. If he wouldn't have been in custody those people would've did more then just yell, scream.
Look what they did to him while he was trying to live in his house. People would throw things at him (tomatoes if I recall) bullhorns were used to yell at him. Media living at his door step. No one can live like that. He wasn't even arrested at the time. There was no evidence to even make an arrest but yet people wouldn't give him any peace. How could anyone live like that.

[TopGunner]

I've only begun to post on message board. I'm still trying to figure out how things work here. I did figure out the quote thing.

I think we are discussing Scott Peterson that is located in San Q Prison who was wrongly accused of killing Laci Peterson and his unborn son Conner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is whom I'm talking about.

I may have the timeline wrong but I know pretty much what took place. I just don't believe this man murdered his wife. I've not seen any proof. No evidence that leads to his guilt. Only media pressure and media conviction. People tend to believe what is written in papers and not taking in consideration what the actual facts are.

So tell us, what do you pretty much know took place during the wrong timeline?

[I'mSun]

I've only begun to post on message board. I'm still trying to figure out how things work here. I did figure out the quote thing.

I think we are discussing Scott Peterson that is located in San Q Prison who was wrongly accused of killing Laci Peterson and his unborn son Conner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is whom I'm talking about.

I may have the timeline wrong but I know pretty much what took place. I just don't believe this man murdered his wife. I've not seen any proof. No evidence that leads to his guilt. Only media pressure and media conviction. People tend to believe what is written in papers and not taking in consideration what the actual facts are.Good for you, and welcome to the board! It took me a little while to figure out the quote thing, as I refuse to read instructions.

The Scott Peterson I am talking about was in fact rightfully accused of murder. There was a lot of evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt (BARB) that he murdered them. Try looking at the whole picture, not just one piece here and there. The evidence is overwhelming. Read the trial transcripts.

[I'mSun]

WaitN4ever - interesting nic. Does that refer to how long you expect to be waiting for Scott to be released? I'd say forever is accurate. :biggrin:

[WaitN4Ever]

WaitN4ever - interesting nic. Does that refer to how long you expect to be waiting for Scott to be released? I'd say forever is accurate. :biggrin:

Do you actually think I like Scott Peterson?:shrug:
I'm a married woman. My name comes from waiting for my husband to return home. He is away a lot and I just thought that would fit me since I feel like I'm waiting forever for him to come home. He is a truck driver.

I have no ties to Scott Peterson and I wouldn't date a cheater anyway. Even if he was a free man on the street I wouldn't look twice at him. Or maybe I would knowing his face but to look at him that way is discusting. He may have had an affair with Amber but who else did he have an affair with and no one knew about.

[WaitN4Ever]

So tell us, what do you pretty much know took place during the wrong timeline?

What makes you think that your timeline is correct?
I seen this on the news from day one. Before it was even broadcasted nationwide or even worldwide. I don't think my timeline is off that much.
I grant you, I may not have all the facts correct but I assure you as I'm sitting here that it unfolded before my eyes on a daily basis. I seen the media was all over downtown and was discusting for it made it hard to even go to town. Avoiding downtown was the only way to get around Modesto.

I don't want to argue with people, I just wanted to discuss the case. Am I the only one here that believes he is innocent?

[WaitN4Ever]

Good for you, and welcome to the board! It took me a little while to figure out the quote thing, as I refuse to read instructions.

Thanks for the welcome, I just figured once I hit the quote button that I just copied and pasted where I wanted it to go. Hope that made sense.

The Scott Peterson I am talking about was in fact rightfully accused of murder. There was a lot of evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt (BARB) that he murdered them. Try looking at the whole picture, not just one piece here and there. The evidence is overwhelming. Read the trial transcripts.


I don't understand how you come up with rightfully accused? :shrug:
So even prior to his trial or arrest he was rightfully accused as well?
I always had the understanding that a person is innocent until proven guilty, but Scott was tried and convicted even before he was arrested. So once he was arrested it was just a no brainer what was going to happen to him. No one had even heard the case and he was guilty. So no amount of poor evidence was going to get him off. The jury had their minds made up before they even went to trial. That is why one of the jurors fell asleep during the trail. His mind was already made up. They had to remove the other jurors that would've have dead locked the case. So to get them removed would be a sweet justice for the DA.

[Otter]

What makes you think that your timeline is correct?
I seen this on the news from day one. Before it was even broadcasted nationwide or even worldwide. I don't think my timeline is off that much.
I grant you, I may not have all the facts correct but I assure you as I'm sitting here that it unfolded before my eyes on a daily basis. I seen the media was all over downtown and was discusting for it made it hard to even go to town. Avoiding downtown was the only way to get around Modesto.

I don't want to argue with people, I just wanted to discuss the case. Am I the only one here that believes he is innocent?

Hiya Wait! Welcome, and no, you're not the only NG here. The thing is, and I say this most respectfully, that the facts are not one your side. One little thing is put out there, and these people who are intimately knowledgable about SP can counter it with 10 reasons to show where you are mistaken.

And you are very mistaken about your timeline -- what you are questioning happened at a public trial and in a public building. In other words, there were many, many witnesses who attest to what you are denying.

Now, just what is the ONE thing that makes you believe DRISP is innocent? That would be an reasonable starting place. :)

And, may I ask, have you read the transcripts?

[Lavindar]

He never had a chance to get there. He was being followed and he certainly didn't want to be "caught" crossing the border that would have made him look like he was running from something..

Of course his convenient hair color change, camping gear, water purifier and several changes of clothes didn't make it look at all like that was his master plan..lol


Not to mention NO GOLF CLUBS. That was the clincher for me. I have yet to see a man who plays with any clubs but his own.

[TopGunner]

What makes you think that your timeline is correct?
I seen this on the news from day one. Before it was even broadcasted nationwide or even worldwide. I don't think my timeline is off that much.
I grant you, I may not have all the facts correct but I assure you as I'm sitting here that it unfolded before my eyes on a daily basis. I seen the media was all over downtown and was discusting for it made it hard to even go to town. Avoiding downtown was the only way to get around Modesto.

I don't want to argue with people, I just wanted to discuss the case. Am I the only one here that believes he is innocent?

Hey, you're the one who said your time-line was wrong, remember? "My" time line isn't "mine", it's the one in the court transcripts...go yell at them.:seeya:

[Lavindar]

Hey, you're the one who said your time-line was wrong, remember? "My" time line isn't "mine", it's the one in the court transcripts...go yell at them.:seeya:
Oh, it would appear that Nancy Grace wasn't the only one who heard Lee during Brent's testimony. This is from Ted Rowlands on LKL

For Scott? Well, you could argue that Lee Peterson's outburst, telling Brent Rocha that he was a liar was some raw emotion for Scott, his son. And when Jackie Peterson got up, there was definite emotion in her face as she left the courtroom. And I think all of the Peterson family members were very emotional, and it was all directed for Scott. If you want to read it for youself, here's the link:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/16/lkl.01.html

[Jadedblueeyes]

Oh, it would appear that Nancy Grace wasn't the only one who heard Lee during Brent's testimony. This is from Ted Rowlands on LKL

For Scott? Well, you could argue that Lee Peterson's outburst, telling Brent Rocha that he was a liar was some raw emotion for Scott, his son. And when Jackie Peterson got up, there was definite emotion in her face as she left the courtroom. And I think all of the Peterson family members were very emotional, and it was all directed for Scott. If you want to read it for yourself, here's the link:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/16/lkl.01.html

What convinced me the Petersons did not care one bit about their little grandson, Conner, was when his little autopsy photos were shown and the crime scene photos of him. The Petersons didn't shed a tear just looked intently at them and after the State put up those pitiful images they took a break about 10 minutes later.

Not only weren't the Petersons upset like Sharon Rocha and her family but they were seen during the break whooping it up and laughing like they didn't have a care in the world.

I think they loved the image of their son. They certainly had built him into the illusion he became imo.

imo

[WaitN4Ever]

Hiya Wait! Welcome, and no, you're not the only NG here. The thing is, and I say this most respectfully, that the facts are not one your side. One little thing is put out there, and these people who are intimately knowledgable about SP can counter it with 10 reasons to show where you are mistaken.

And you are very mistaken about your timeline -- what you are questioning happened at a public trial and in a public building. In other words, there were many, many witnesses who attest to what you are denying.

Now, just what is the ONE thing that makes you believe DRISP is innocent? That would be an reasonable starting place. :)

And, may I ask, have you read the transcripts?


From the beginning I thought he was innocent. When Amber was brought forward during the investigation I knew that he would have all fingers pointing at him. It was the turning point to everyone putting the Guilt on him. It even run through my mind that when he stated where he went fishing. I just thought that for sure the bodies were going to show up there because whomever has her, now has a way out of their crime and all the blame will be put on Scott Peterson.

As for the transcripts. I can't say that I have read them. I don't have the time to drive over to the bay area and purchase them. I also think they would cost a lot of money, something I don't have much of.

[WaitN4Ever]

Oh, it would appear that Nancy Grace wasn't the only one who heard Lee during Brent's testimony. This is from Ted Rowlands on LKL

For Scott? Well, you could argue that Lee Peterson's outburst, telling Brent Rocha that he was a liar was some raw emotion for Scott, his son. And when Jackie Peterson got up, there was definite emotion in her face as she left the courtroom. And I think all of the Peterson family members were very emotional, and it was all directed for Scott. If you want to read it for youself, here's the link:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/16/lkl.01.html


If your child was being accused of a Crime and you knew he was innocent. Your emotions would over flow at times. These people did everything they could to show that their son was innocent but he lost the case before he even got to court. Emotions were running very high and it is understandable. Especially since the Rochas were then also accusing Scott of doing the unthinkable.

[enlightenme]

I've only begun to post on message board. I'm still trying to figure out how things work here. I did figure out the quote thing.

I think we are discussing Scott Peterson that is located in San Q Prison who was wrongly accused of killing Laci Peterson and his unborn son Conner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is whom I'm talking about.

I may have the timeline wrong but I know pretty much what took place. I just don't believe this man murdered his wife. I've not seen any proof. No evidence that leads to his guilt. Only media pressure and media conviction. People tend to believe what is written in papers and not taking in consideration what the actual facts are.


Only unintelligent people tend to automatically believe what is written "in papers". Only the NGs think the only reason SP was found guilty was because of pre-trial publicity. It was much, much more than that. I can understand people feeling bad for somene the media has targeted, they have no shame or sense a lot of the time. That doesn't mean that person is not guilty. The trial determines that.


Jurors go through voir dire and it's determined whether both sides feel that they can deliberate the facts fairly, with only the information available in the courtroom. As a rule, jurors try very hard to do just that. They take their roles seriously. I can't believe every one of the final jury members had their minds made up before the trial. They all lied in voir dire? Haha! Everyone lies but SP. :tongue:

Not everyone read about this case prior to trial either. I didn't know anything about it until just after the trial started. I made my determination of guilt based on the evidence presented in court. Contrary to what you keep claiming, there was plenty of CE to convict SP without a reasonable doubt.

JMO

[Lavindar]

If your child was being accused of a Crime and you knew he was innocent. Your emotions would over flow at times. These people did everything they could to show that their son was innocent but he lost the case before he even got to court. Emotions were running very high and it is understandable. Especially since the Rochas were then also accusing Scott of doing the unthinkable.


Please. All the Rochas did was take slams at the police and DA. They "said" he was innocent, but that's not evidence.

The Rochas never said publicly that Scott did it. EVER until AFTER the conviction.

[WaitN4Ever]

Only unintelligent people tend to automatically believe what is written "in papers". Only the NGs think the only reason SP was found guilty was because of pre-trial publicity. It was much, much more than that. I can understand people feeling bad for somene the media has targeted, they have no shame or sense a lot of the time. That doesn't mean that person is not guilty. The trial determines that.


Jurors go through voir dire and it's determined whether both sides feel that they can deliberate the facts fairly, with only the information available in the courtroom. As a rule, jurors try very hard to do just that. They take their roles seriously. I can't believe every one of the final jury members had their minds made up before the trial. They all lied in voir dire? Haha! Everyone lies but SP. :tongue:

Not everyone read about this case prior to trial either. I didn't know anything about it until just after the trial started. I made my determination of guilt based on the evidence presented in court. Contrary to what you keep claiming, there was plenty of CE to convict SP without a reasonable doubt.

JMO

Not all the jurors had their minds made up. As a matter of fact there were 2 or 3 that didn't have their minds made up for Guilt and the other jurors made sure they were thrown off the jury if I remember correctly. One of the jurors that took his role so seriously was napping most of the time and he was the head juror. I can't see that they took their roll so seriously if in fact he was napping or not even showing interest in the case. It would appear his mind was already made up and that was the reason for the other jurors to be dismissed.
I grant you that 1 of the jurors was dumb for his hand eye movements and comments made to the petersons and that was just a good enough excuse to get him thrown off the jury so that the jurors wouldn't have to wait too much longer or be away from their family too much long. Close this up so I can go home. Thus the reason for the dismissed jurors.

[Wearing A Halo]

If your child was being accused of a Crime and you knew he was innocent. Your emotions would over flow at times. These people did everything they could to show that their son was innocent but he lost the case before he even got to court. Emotions were running very high and it is understandable. Especially since the Rochas were then also accusing Scott of doing the unthinkable.

WaitN4Ever,

What "everything did these people do to show that their son was innocent before he even got to court and lose the case"?

TIA

[WaitN4Ever]

WaitN4Ever,

What "everything did these people do to show that their son was innocent before he even got to court and lose the case"?

TIA

I haven't seen anything that proves he did it. Isn't our country based on Innocent until Proven guilty? I know it went to court and he is now Guilty by 12 jurors but I never seen anything that proved 100% that he was guilty. I only seen circumstancial evidence that everyone would assume he was guilty. Amber sealed his fate because he cheated on a very beautiful vibrant woman that was 8 monts pregnant. They made him a martyr because of that.

[Wearing A Halo]

I haven't seen anything that proves he did it. Isn't our country based on Innocent until Proven guilty? I know it went to court and he is now Guilty by 12 jurors but I never seen anything that proved 100% that he was guilty. I only seen circumstancial evidence that everyone would assume he was guilty. Amber sealed his fate because he cheated on a very beautiful vibrant woman that was 8 monts pregnant. They made him a martyr because of that.

!LOL!

It is the NGs that have made DRISP a martyr for the death penalty! DRISP is the "Poster Boy" for CCADP and PWC. It was not the jury. Go figure.

:W:

[WaitN4Ever]

!LOL!

It is the NGs that have made DRISP a martyr for the death penalty! DRISP is the "Poster Boy" for CCADP and PWC. It was not the jury. Go figure.

:W:


I don't understand. what is DRISP, CCADP AND PWC. I'm not use to using acronyms. I don't even text message to know what that might mean.
Sorry but can you please let me know what that means.
Thanks

[Wearing A Halo]

I don't understand. what is DRISP, CCADP AND PWC. I'm not use to using acronyms. I don't even text message to know what that might mean.
Sorry but can you please let me know what that means.
Thanks

DRISP = Death Row Inmate Scott Peterson

CCADP = Canadian Coalition Against the Death Penalty

PWC = Prevent Wrongful Convictions

:W:

[adnoid]

...Correct me if I'm wrong...

No problem. That's a specialty around here.

[GracieJane]

What makes you think that your timeline is correct?
I seen this on the news from day one. Before it was even broadcasted nationwide or even worldwide. I don't think my timeline is off that much.
I grant you, I may not have all the facts correct but I assure you as I'm sitting here that it unfolded before my eyes on a daily basis. I seen the media was all over downtown and was discusting for it made it hard to even go to town. Avoiding downtown was the only way to get around Modesto.

I don't want to argue with people, I just wanted to discuss the case. Am I the only one here that believes he is innocent?

No your not. I do'nt think he did it, even though people have made some strong points that make him seem guilty. He never had a history of crimes. He came from a nice family, no matter what people say about the Petersons. Why would he give up his free life to spend behind bars, just for a woman? He wanted the baby. If he didn't why did he let Laci get pregant? They were married long enough that he could have said no before that. I hate it that people have judge him and his family that way.

[Xainia]

Sharon wasn't going around saying "we want those" about everything. If the Petersons claim they got nothing, it sure looked like some pretty nice furniture that they were moving out of the house when they broke into it.

It was the Rocha's that broke into the house and took the stuff.

If memory serves me correctly the Petersons would not let them have anything and changed the locks.

But it was the Rochas who broke in. There was an uproar about this on the CTV board when it happened.

[PsychNurse;~)]

I've only begun to post on message board. I'm still trying to figure out how things work here. I did figure out the quote thing.

I think we are discussing Scott Peterson that is located in San Q Prison who was wrongly accused of killing Laci Peterson and his unborn son Conner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is whom I'm talking about.

I may have the timeline wrong but I know pretty much what took place. I just don't believe this man murdered his wife. I've not seen any proof. No evidence that leads to his guilt. Only media pressure and media conviction. People tend to believe what is written in papers and not taking in consideration what the actual facts are.


just about everyone here has read the transcripts of the trial~~i highly recommend you do the same before posting much more.

~~cyn~~

[enlightenme]

Not all the jurors had their minds made up. As a matter of fact there were 2 or 3 that didn't have their minds made up for Guilt and the other jurors made sure they were thrown off the jury if I remember correctly. One of the jurors that took his role so seriously was napping most of the time and he was the head juror. I can't see that they took their roll so seriously if in fact he was napping or not even showing interest in the case. It would appear his mind was already made up and that was the reason for the other jurors to be dismissed.
I grant you that 1 of the jurors was dumb for his hand eye movements and comments made to the petersons and that was just a good enough excuse to get him thrown off the jury so that the jurors wouldn't have to wait too much longer or be away from their family too much long. Close this up so I can go home. Thus the reason for the dismissed jurors.

I'm not sure if you are just NOT remembering correctly or if you never knew the correct facts of this case and what happened during jury deliberations in the first place.

The only person I know who reported that the teamster (not the final jury foreman, btw) slept during the trial was Marlene Newell.

Justin Falconer did not talk to the Petersons, he talked to Brent. He also talked to his girlfriend (hard to believe he even had one!) about what Nancy Grace was saying about him. He couldn't stop talking about the trial to other jurors when he shouldn't have been talking about it at all until deliberations. He hardly counts as he was only on the jury for a few weeks.

I don't know WHERE you are getting the info that someone saw someone dumping something that could have been a body in the bay. :shrug:

[Lavindar]

It was the Rocha's that broke into the house and took the stuff.

If memory serves me correctly the Petersons would not let them have anything and changed the locks.

But it was the Rochas who broke in. There was an uproar about this on the CTV board when it happened.


This is not true. Sharon had a key to the house, given to her by her daughter. She THOUGHT the Petersons had changed the locks, but they only changed the burglar alarm code.

The Petersons had a friend break in to get what they came for. The door had been kicked in and the house was totally trashed, including holes in the walls, holes that had not been there before.

[Lavindar]

I'm not sure if you are just NOT remembering correctly or if you never knew the correct facts of this case and what happened during jury deliberations in the first place.

The only person I know who reported that the teamster (not the final jury foreman, btw) slept during the trial was Marlene Newell.

Justin Falconer did not talk to the Petersons, he talked to Brent. He also talked to his girlfriend (hard to believe he even had one!) about what Nancy Grace was saying about him. He couldn't stop talking about the trial to other jurors when he shouldn't have been talking about it at all until deliberations. He hardly counts as he was only on the jury for a few weeks.

I don't know WHERE you are getting the info that someone saw someone dumping something that could have been a body in the bay. :shrug:

I believe Falconer was only on the jury for 13 days, certainly not long enough to have heard enough testimony to make any decision

[Invrdv8]

Please. All the Rochas did was take slams at the police and DA. They "said" he was innocent, but that's not evidence.

The Rochas never said publicly that Scott did it. EVER until AFTER the conviction.

??? The Rochas took "slams at the police and DA"? When did that happen? I believe the Rochas did support Scott in the very beginning but, even before Scott was arrested didn't Sharon have phone conversations with Scott asking him what he did with Laci and asking him to tell her where Laci was?

[Invrdv8]

This is not true. Sharon had a key to the house, given to her by her daughter. She THOUGHT the Petersons had changed the locks, but they only changed the burglar alarm code.

The Petersons had a friend break in to get what they came for. The door had been kicked in and the house was totally trashed, including holes in the walls, holes that had not been there before.


The Peterson's had a friend kick in the door in order to gain access to Scott's house? Where/when was that ever reported? Wouldn't it stand to reason that Jackie would have also had a key to the house? Are you saying that the house was "trashed" by those who went there with Jackie? Why do you think they would do something like that when according to Jackie Scott needed specific items in the house for when he was released from jail and went back to the house to live. It's been awhile since all this took place but, I don't think my memory is failling me that fast!:confused:

[Invrdv8]

No your not. I do'nt think he did it, even though people have made some strong points that make him seem guilty. He never had a history of crimes. He came from a nice family, no matter what people say about the Petersons. Why would he give up his free life to spend behind bars, just for a woman? He wanted the baby. If he didn't why did he let Laci get pregant? They were married long enough that he could have said no before that. I hate it that people have judge him and his family that way.

You don't have to have a "history of crime" to commit murder. I think there has been enough reported about the Peterson's that would tend to make one believe they were not so "nice". Scott didn't give up a free life "for a woman".
Scott pretended to be the perfect husband, the excited father-to-be. Laci wanted a baby. How was Scott going to stop her from getting pregnant? IIRC he did tell Laci at one time that he didn't want or wasn't ready to have children (Sharon's book "For Laci", top of pg. 55). Scott, Jackie and Lee were judged by their own actions.

Since you haven't found the need to read the transcripts, I don't suppose you've read any of the books written by Amber Frey, Anne Bird, Cathrine Crier or Sharon Rocha either.:shrug:

[Lavindar]

??? The Rochas took "slams at the police and DA"? When did that happen? I believe the Rochas did support Scott in the very beginning but, even before Scott was arrested didn't Sharon have phone conversations with Scott asking him what he did with Laci and asking him to tell her where Laci was?
Sharon never made any public statements where she said Scott did it. I believe that particular phone conversation happened in Febuary. She ignored all the little flags that would have told her he was guilty early on.

[GracieJane]

This is not true. Sharon had a key to the house, given to her by her daughter. She THOUGHT the Petersons had changed the locks, but they only changed the burglar alarm code.

The Petersons had a friend break in to get what they came for. The door had been kicked in and the house was totally trashed, including holes in the walls, holes that had not been there before.

That doesn't make sense because why wouldn't the parents have a key to there son's house? Jackie didn't need to break in and neither did Lee. They had a key. They wouldn mess up their own son's house. Anyone could have broken in there because the case was all over the news. Looters do that. Then everyone blames the Petersons.

[GracieJane]

You don't have to have a "history of crime" to commit murder. I think there has been enough reported about the Peterson's that would tend to make one believe they were not so "nice". Scott didn't give up a free life "for a woman".
Scott pretended to be the perfect husband, the excited father-to-be. Laci wanted a baby. How was Scott going to stop her from getting pregnant? IIRC he did tell Laci at one time that he didn't want or wasn't ready to have children (Sharon's book "For Laci", top of pg. 55). Scott, Jackie and Lee were judged by their own actions.

Since you haven't found the need to read the transcripts, I don't suppose you've read any of the books written by Amber Frey, Anne Bird, Cathrine Crier or Sharon Rocha either.:shrug:

I don't think Laci had to force Scott to have sex with her. He could have said no if he didn't want the baby. Men aren't power less. He could have a secret vasectimy and never tell her if he didn't want the baby. Laci would never know. Why didn't Laci listen when Scott said he didn't want a baby?

[Lavindar]

as for Sharon breaking into the house, if you read page 232 of her book


Then I looked at everyone and said, "Get ready, because when this alarm goes off, it's going to be loud." I took out my old house key, stuck it in the lock and it worked! Clearly the locks hadn't been changed, as Jackie had claimed, but the alarm did go off, and sure enough it was loud."

She also watered Laci's plants and they padlocked the gates so she couldn't even do that.

[Invrdv8]

Sharon never made any public statements where she said Scott did it. I believe that particular phone conversation happened in Febuary. She ignored all the little flags that would have told her he was guilty early on.

I don't think she would have to come right out and say she thought Scott killed Laci but the whole Rocha family stating publicly that they no longer supported Scott IMO pretty much says it. How about your statement that the "Rocha's took slams at the police and DA". Why would Sharon do that? IIRC it was JACKIE that was making negative comments to the investigators and media.

[Lavindar]

That doesn't make sense because why wouldn't the parents have a key to there son's house? Jackie didn't need to break in and neither did Lee. They had a key. They wouldn mess up their own son's house. Anyone could have broken in there because the case was all over the news. Looters do that. Then everyone blames the Petersons.

Not after the trial when they broke in to get the furniture. Sharon had changed the locks by then when she was awarded the house.

[Lavindar]

I don't think she would have to come right out and say she thought Scott killed Laci but the whole Rocha family stating publicly that they no longer supported Scott IMO pretty much says it. How about your statement that the "Rocha's took slams at the police and DA". Why would Sharon do that? IIRC it was JACKIE that was making negative comments to the investigators and media. That's is what I meant. I don't believe the Rochas said anything about scott until the affair come to light. I believe it was Brent who said they could no longer support Scott because of the lies he told. Still, this was not at the beginning. They still did not say SCOTT DID IT.

[Invrdv8]

I don't think Laci had to force Scott to have sex with her. He could have said no if he didn't want the baby. Men aren't power less. He could have a secret vasectimy and never tell her if he didn't want the baby. Laci would never know. Why didn't Laci listen when Scott said he didn't want a baby?

If a couple is so distant that a husband could keep having a vasectomy a secret from his wife he wouldn't NEED a vasectomy! Laci did "listen" when Scott said he wasn't ready or didn't want children and I'm sure she was devastated at the time but LACI wanted a baby! I think Laci pretty much got whatever Laci wanted.

[Invrdv8]

Not after the trial when they broke in to get the furniture. Sharon had changed the locks by then when she was awarded the house.

When was Sharon "awarded the house"? Wasn't the house sold and the equity split between Sharon and the Petersons? Where was it ever reported that the house was "trashed" when Jackie took stuff from the home?

[Lavindar]

When was Sharon "awarded the house"? Wasn't the house sold and the equity split between Sharon and the Petersons? Where was it ever reported that the house was "trashed" when Jackie took stuff from the home?
It was bad enough that a professional team was called in to clean it up. I can't remember the name of the company off the top of my head - I will email my friend who worked for them at the time.

[Lavindar]

When was Sharon "awarded the house"? Wasn't the house sold and the equity split between Sharon and the Petersons? Where was it ever reported that the house was "trashed" when Jackie took stuff from the home?

The house became Sharon's as the legal heir of Laci. Scott was convicted of Laci's murder, so he lost his interest in the house and it was given to Laci's next of kin.

[Invrdv8]

The house became Sharon's as the legal heir of Laci. Scott was convicted of Laci's murder, so he lost his interest in the house and it was given to Laci's next of kin.

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=10831

The article indicates that Scott would not benefit from the sale of the house and that the Petersons used the house as collateral against a loan they took out for Scott's defense. It also says that an attorney representing Sharon stated it had not yet been determined how the proceeds from the house would be divided. If the house was awarded to Sharon why would there be a need to "divide" the proceeds with anyone? I first have to wonder how the Petersons could use the house as collateral. So I'm a little susupicious that the article is correct. Can you provide a link to document the fact that the house was awarded to Sharon?

[Invrdv8]

It was bad enough that a professional team was called in to clean it up. I can't remember the name of the company off the top of my head - I will email my friend who worked for them at the time.

I can see a professional team being called in to clean up the house to get it ready to be sold. I don't think anyone in either family would be up to doing it. Who hired the company? Who paid them? I can't see Jackie and "friends" trashing the house when she believed Scott would be coming back there to live.

[Jadedblueeyes]

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=10831

The article indicates that Scott would not benefit from the sale of the house and that the Petersons used the house as collateral against a loan they took out for Scott's defense. It also says that an attorney representing Sharon stated it had not yet been determined how the proceeds from the house would be divided. If the house was awarded to Sharon why would there be a need to "divide" the proceeds with anyone? I first have to wonder how the Petersons could use the house as collateral. So I'm a little suspicious that the article is correct. Can you provide a link to document the fact that the house was awarded to Sharon?

All I know there was a law on the books that if one homeowner murders the other one then they forfeit property and it is like the murderer was predeceased before the victim.

From what I recall the Petersons put a lien against the home for $100,000 that they said they used for SPs defense attorney and other things. I thought that was indeed strange since Scott had told the court that he was indigent.

Anyway again from what I recall the Judge residing over the $100,000 situation said that the Petersons had filed too late and he did not honor it or make the Rochas pay it.

imoo

[adnoid]

...Why didn't Laci listen when Scott said he didn't want a baby?

Scott said that, eh? Well, not according to every other supporter I've heard from. Perhaps you were closer to the situation than the others. In that case, you're essentially saying Laci got what she deserved because she didn't follow Scott's wishes, right?

[WaitN4Ever]

DRISP = Death Row Inmate Scott Peterson

CCADP = Canadian Coalition Against the Death Penalty

PWC = Prevent Wrongful Convictions

:W:

Thank You

[WaitN4Ever]

just about everyone here has read the transcripts of the trial~~i highly recommend you do the same before posting much more.

~~cyn~~

Congrats on you quiting smoking.

AS for the transcripts, I don't have access to them. They are located in the bay area and I'm not going to drive all the way over there and spend X amount of $ to purchase them when I know what unfolded.
People that live half way across the country may think they know what took place but facts are facts and everything here that I've read seems to be opinionated.

[WaitN4Ever]

The Petersons had a friend break in to get what they came for. The door had been kicked in and the house was totally trashed, including holes in the walls, holes that had not been there before.

It was never proven that the Petersons did this. If they had wouldn't charges have been brought up agains them as well. I just can't see the Petersons doing this. I do remember the Rochas going in and taking what they wanted and the Petersons tried to stop them. But it was too late, the Rocha's got pretty much everything. Including the house, which makes me sick.

[WaitN4Ever]

That doesn't make sense because why wouldn't the parents have a key to there son's house? Jackie didn't need to break in and neither did Lee. They had a key. They wouldn mess up their own son's house. Anyone could have broken in there because the case was all over the news. Looters do that. Then everyone blames the Petersons.

I recall that incident and it was never proven that the Petersons did that.
Looters could very well be to blame. There was so much going on and so many people that accused Scott from the beginning so it could've been anyone at the time that didn't like Scott.

[Buckethead]

That doesn't make sense because why wouldn't the parents have a key to there son's house? Jackie didn't need to break in and neither did Lee. They had a key. They wouldn mess up their own son's house. Anyone could have broken in there because the case was all over the news. Looters do that. Then everyone blames the Petersons.

Do you really think Laci wanted someone like J02 to have a key to her house? Didn't J02 steal a ring from Anne? I don't think I'd want my MIL to have a key to my house if I knew she had stolen a ring from the daughter she threw away years before.

Also, if J02 and LimpLee didn't mess up LACI'S house, why then did they grovel and whine to be reimbursed for having it cleaned? Darn right they messed it up! What do you call allowing their legal team to have pool parties at Laci's house?

About those looters - do you have a link? Please, tell me you're not suggesting these ficticious looters were part of a FRAME UP???? :rolleyes:

[Xainia]

This is not true. Sharon had a key to the house, given to her by her daughter. She THOUGHT the Petersons had changed the locks, but they only changed the burglar alarm code.

The Petersons had a friend break in to get what they came for. The door had been kicked in and the house was totally trashed, including holes in the walls, holes that had not been there before.

You appear to be talking about the 'raid' that was telecast. HOw else would you have seen the 'pretty nice furniture'.

The raid that was telecast was the Rocha family.
The NG side of the argument were adamant the the Rocha family should be charged.

Sharon wasn't going around saying "we want those" about everything. If the Petersons claim they got nothing, it sure looked like some pretty nice furniture that they were moving out of the house when they broke into it.

Or were there two incidents that were telecast????

[Wearing A Halo]

Congrats on you quiting smoking.

AS for the transcripts, I don't have access to them. They are located in the bay area and I'm not going to drive all the way over there and spend X amount of $ to purchase them when I know what unfolded.
People that live half way across the country may think they know what took place but facts are facts and everything here that I've read seems to be opinionated.

WaitN4Ever,

You do have access to the transcripts and they are not just located in the bay area and you don't have to spend X amount of $ to purchase them even though you know what unfolded. Where do you get this info about them being at the bay area and spending $ for them?

[Lavindar]

I can see a professional team being called in to clean up the house to get it ready to be sold. I don't think anyone in either family would be up to doing it. Who hired the company? Who paid them? I can't see Jackie and "friends" trashing the house when she believed Scott would be coming back there to live.


This happened AFTER the verdict. She knew Scott would be going to San Quentin when they broke down the door. It was during the infamous ironing board saga. There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that she did it to get "back" at Sharon who put her son in prison.

[Invrdv8]

You appear to be talking about the 'raid' that was telecast. HOw else would you have seen the 'pretty nice furniture'.

The raid that was telecast was the Rocha family.
The NG side of the argument were adamant the the Rocha family should be charged.



Or were there two incidents that were telecast????

I believe there were two "incidents". The first was when the Rochas took Laci's things out of the house and the second was when Jackie and "company" took things out of the house. Jackie is supposed to have a serious lung problem and appeared to be using oxygen thru out the trial yet she was carrying boxes out of the house without her oxygen.

[Invrdv8]

You appear to be talking about the 'raid' that was telecast. HOw else would you have seen the 'pretty nice furniture'.

The raid that was telecast was the Rocha family.
The NG side of the argument were adamant the the Rocha family should be charged.



Or were there two incidents that were telecast????

I believe there were two "incidents". The first was when the Rochas took Laci's things out of the house and the second was when Jackie and "company" took things out of the house. Jackie is supposed to have a serious lung problem and appeared to be using oxygen thru out the trial yet she was carrying boxes out of the house without her oxygen.

[Invrdv8]

Congrats on you quiting smoking.

AS for the transcripts, I don't have access to them. They are located in the bay area and I'm not going to drive all the way over there and spend X amount of $ to purchase them when I know what unfolded.
People that live half way across the country may think they know what took place but facts are facts and everything here that I've read seems to be opinionated.

Because you live in the area you "know what unfolded"? So far, IMO, all you've stated here is strictly your opinion. If that's not the case can you please provide a link to substantiate your claims? If you don't feel the need to read the transcripts have you read any of the books that came out after the trial?

[Invrdv8]

Scott said that, eh? Well, not according to every other supporter I've heard from. Perhaps you were closer to the situation than the others. In that case, you're essentially saying Laci got what she deserved because she didn't follow Scott's wishes, right?

According to Sharon Laci told her that's exactly what Scott said. (Sharon's book, "For Laci", top of page 55). With all due respect I don't think the poster was saying "Laci got what she deserved". I took it that he/she was asking why Laci went ahead and got pregnant if she knew Scott didn't want kids? According to Sharon Laci told her later on that Scott had changed his mind and she had stopped taking birth control pills.

[GracieJane]

It was never proven that the Petersons did this. If they had wouldn't charges have been brought up agains them as well. I just can't see the Petersons doing this. I do remember the Rochas going in and taking what they wanted and the Petersons tried to stop them. But it was too late, the Rocha's got pretty much everything. Including the house, which makes me sick.

No, it wasn't proven, and why couldn't the Petersons have their sons things anyways? Why did Sharon get everything? It makes me sick too.

[GracieJane]

If a couple is so distant that a husband could keep having a vasectomy a secret from his wife he wouldn't NEED a vasectomy! Laci did "listen" when Scott said he wasn't ready or didn't want children and I'm sure she was devastated at the time but LACI wanted a baby! I think Laci pretty much got whatever Laci wanted.

Then she forced Scott to have a baby. He wasn't ready. Maybe he wanted a bigger house for them or sometehing. It doesn't mean he killed her.

[GracieJane]

Scott said that, eh? Well, not according to every other supporter I've heard from. Perhaps you were closer to the situation than the others. In that case, you're essentially saying Laci got what she deserved because she didn't follow Scott's wishes, right?


Are you putting words in my mouth? I did not say Laci deserved being killed. I'm saying that he didn't want a baby then, but he went along with it to make her happy. Everyone knows you can't force a man to do that. She didn't force him. So why would he kill her? He could still have Amber even if Laci was alive.

[GracieJane]

Not after the trial when they broke in to get the furniture. Sharon had changed the locks by then when she was awarded the house.


Sharon tried to keep Scott's parents out. That's not right. That house was both of theres to have. The Petersons wanted to help.

[adnoid]

Are you putting words in my mouth?...

I can assure you that I do not want to put anything in your mouth.

[Miss Bootsie]

Then she forced Scott to have a baby. He wasn't ready. Maybe he wanted a bigger house for them or sometehing. It doesn't mean he killed her.

How is it she forced Scott to have a baby????? :eek:

So, you are aware that and admit Scott did not want a child. ;)

[margaritaville]

Sharon tried to keep Scott's parents out. That's not right. That house was both of theres to have. The Petersons wanted to help.


Maybe because Sharon knew they would rob it clean as they did...Going as far as taking the ironing board....

[margaritaville]

How is it she forced Scott to have a baby????? :eek:

So, you are aware that and admit Scott did not want a child. ;)


Oh haven't you heard she held him at gun point until he impregnated her...:biggrin:

[rachelslaw]

Maybe because Sharon knew they would rob it clean as they did...Going as far as taking the ironing board....

Yes, I remember the ironing board. Sharon did the right thing in securing whatever she could get.

IMO

[Heyes]

Maybe because Sharon knew they would rob it clean as they did...Going as far as taking the ironing board....

Hi all!
IIRC Jackie didn't even want to give Laci's mom back any of Laci's jewelry. This was jewelry that Laci received after her grandma died. I would have sworn that jackie was fuming that the jeweler called Sharon to let her know that he had a ring of Laci's that she was having remade adding her grandma's diamonds. Jackie felt she deserved it all. That was just one more instance where the tide of public opinion changed regarding the murderers mother. What is so sad is jackie never had a clue why people would not support her or her son. Probably still doesn't. IMO
The ironing board caper sans oxygen mask showed the world what type of woman she was. Even Lee sat that one out.
IMO

[Invrdv8]

Then she forced Scott to have a baby. He wasn't ready. Maybe he wanted a bigger house for them or sometehing. It doesn't mean he killed her.

Where did I say or imply that Laci "forced" Scott? According to Sharon's book Laci later told her that she and Scott talked it over and he finally agreed that they should have a child so she stopped taking her birth control pills. BTW, IIRC, it was LACI who wanted a "bigger house" and also a better car.

[Invrdv8]

Are you putting words in my mouth? I did not say Laci deserved being killed. I'm saying that he didn't want a baby then, but he went along with it to make her happy. Everyone knows you can't force a man to do that. She didn't force him. So why would he kill her? He could still have Amber even if Laci was alive.

I don't believe for a minute that Scott killed Laci so he could "have Amber". He told not only Laci but others that he didn't want children. I believe he went along with Laci because she was adament about wanting a child. I believe he killed her because he wanted his freedom from the responsibilities of a husband and father.

[Heyes]

I don't believe for a minute that Scott killed Laci so he could "have Amber". He told not only Laci but others that he didn't want children. I believe he went along with Laci because she was adament about wanting a child. I believe he killed her because he wanted his freedom from the responsibilities of a husband and father.
I believe there were many reasons that sent scott "over to the dark side". Those fake diplomas, and the phone calls from "Paris", were sure telling weren't they?
If I hadn't heard those phone calls with my own ears, I never would have believed it.
imo

[Miss Bootsie]

Oh haven't you heard she held him at gun point until he impregnated her...:biggrin:

Sure ! :tongue: I also heard that Amber seduced Scott and he went along with it in order to maintain a good working relationship with Shawn.:biggrin:

[margaritaville]

I don't believe for a minute that Scott killed Laci so he could "have Amber". He told not only Laci but others that he didn't want children. I believe he went along with Laci because she was adament about wanting a child. I believe he killed her because he wanted his freedom from the responsibilities of a husband and father.


If Scott was so adament about not having a baby..Why did he not divorce Laci? He could have had his freedom, no child support, could play the field...

because he had changed his mind!!

[Invrdv8]

If Scott was so adament about not having a baby..Why did he not divorce Laci? He could have had his freedom, no child support, could play the field...

because he had changed his mind!!

I don't believe I said Scott was "adament about not having a baby". Also, I said in another post that, according to Sharon, Laci told her later on that she and Scott had talked and Scott changed his mind about having kids so Laci stopped taking her birth control pills. How could Scott let everyone know he was NOT the loving husband he'd been pretending to be if he asked Laci for a divorce? I don't believe he "changed his mind", I believe he gave in to Laci just to shut her up about the baby thing!

[Lavindar]

No, it wasn't proven, and why couldn't the Petersons have their sons things anyways? Why did Sharon get everything? It makes me sick too.


The Petersons got all the furniture and the ironing board. Scott was convicted of murdering Laci so legally, he cannot inherit anything of hers.

Sharon took things that were Laci's, some of them given by her paternal grandmother. Jackie wanted those. However, legally, Jackie couldn't touch them. But she did try to get them. The Petersons got enough things to need a moving truck. Sharon took things that would fit into 5 small pickups and suvs.

[Invrdv8]

I believe there were many reasons that sent scott "over to the dark side". Those fake diplomas, and the phone calls from "Paris", were sure telling weren't they?
If I hadn't heard those phone calls with my own ears, I never would have believed it.
imo

I think it all boils down to the way Scott was brought up. I think Jackie pampered and smothered him. Scott was her "golden boy" and Scott grew up believing that. I wonder sometimes if he really wanted to marry Laci.

[Heyes]

I think it all boils down to the way Scott was brought up. I think Jackie pampered and smothered him. Scott was her "golden boy" and Scott grew up believing that. I wonder sometimes if he really wanted to marry Laci.
I think Image is what matters to scott. I just don't think he runs very deep. I think Laci fit the image scott wanted at that time. The pretty, popular, wholesome,smart gal that is perfect wife material. As the pressure mounted he began wanting a more freewheeling, single guy image. By the time he met Amber he decided she fit the image, tall, blonde, looked good on his arm. perfect.
imo

[Otter]

Then she forced Scott to have a baby. He wasn't ready. Maybe he wanted a bigger house for them or sometehing. It doesn't mean he killed her.

This is just so wrong on so many levels. I, I...I just don't know where to begin to how to deconstruct this post.

What do you mean for "forced DRISP to have a baby"? Let's just start there shall we? Please explain that statement if you would. :seeya:

One other question, are you angry when you post?

[aingael]

Then she forced Scott to have a baby. He wasn't ready. Maybe he wanted a bigger house for them or sometehing. It doesn't mean he killed her.

Excause me......Scott was not forced into anything. He was a big enough boy (not in the motor department) to have used a condom or get a vasectomy if he didn't want children. He was gone often enough to have had one without Laci knowing about it.

.:cuss:

[Otter]

Excause me......Scott was not forced into anything. He was a big enough boy (not in the motor department) to have used a condom or get a vasectomy if he didn't want children. He was gone often enough to have had one without Laci knowing about it.

.:cuss:


I feel your anger aingael. The poster we're speaking to is of the hit and run type IMO.

UGH! I pray there is no progeny from him! Never occurred to me. What an awful thought.

[Invrdv8]

I think Image is what matters to scott. I just don't think he runs very deep. I think Laci fit the image scott wanted at that time. The pretty, popular, wholesome,smart gal that is perfect wife material. As the pressure mounted he began wanting a more freewheeling, single guy image. By the time he met Amber he decided she fit the image, tall, blonde, looked good on his arm. perfect.
imo

I think you're probably right that Scott is all about "image" and the pressure of being married and soon to be a father was more than he wanted to deal with. As for Amber though, I don't think Scott murdered Laci to be with her. For one thing he would have been faced with Amber wanting to have a child with him and he would have been right back in the same situation he wanted to get out of. I think he wanted to be free to play the field. IMO he would have eventually dumped Amber.

BTW, that's a pretty comical signature line you have. Makes me chuckle every time I read it.:D

[Invrdv8]

Excause me......Scott was not forced into anything. He was a big enough boy (not in the motor department) to have used a condom or get a vasectomy if he didn't want children. He was gone often enough to have had one without Laci knowing about it.

.:cuss:

The poster doesn't seem to bother to read all the comments before responding. As for the comment made about Scott being forced, I just assumed there should have been a question mark (?) after that comment.:shrug: As bad as Laci wanted to get pregnant do you really think she would have gone along with Scott using a condom? How would Scott explain the vasectomy if Laci insisted they see a Dr. to determine why she wasn't able to conceive? As it turned out Scott changed his mind about having kids, Laci stopped taking her birth control pills and she got pregnant.
I hate to say this but, what if her getting pregnant was the beginning of the end for Laci?

[Lavindar]

The poster doesn't seem to bother to read all the comments before responding. As for the comment made about Scott being forced, I just assumed there should have been a question mark (?) after that comment.:shrug: As bad as Laci wanted to get pregnant do you really think she would have gone along with Scott using a condom? How would Scott explain the vasectomy if Laci insisted they see a Dr. to determine why she wasn't able to conceive? As it turned out Scott changed his mind about having kids, Laci stopped taking her birth control pills and she got pregnant.
I hate to say this but, what if her getting pregnant was the beginning of the end for Laci?I think it was. I remember reading an article on husband who kill their pregnant wives, and the pregnancy doesn't really mean anything to them until close to the delivery date. Remember how Scott insisted that she get the ultrasound to see if there was anything wrong - I'm sure he was hoping that he'd find an excuse for her to abort. Scott couldn not have handled sharing anything imo. He was an only child and very spoiled. I think he was wanting to quit his unsuccesful job and being saddled with a child to support in addition to a wife who wasn't working sent him over the edge. Look to the money when you are dealing with a Peterson. It's about the money.

[Buckethead]

Hi all!
IIRC Jackie didn't even want to give Laci's mom back any of Laci's jewelry. This was jewelry that Laci received after her grandma died. I would have sworn that jackie was fuming that the jeweler called Sharon to let her know that he had a ring of Laci's that she was having remade adding her grandma's diamonds. Jackie felt she deserved it all. That was just one more instance where the tide of public opinion changed regarding the murderers mother. What is so sad is jackie never had a clue why people would not support her or her son. Probably still doesn't. IMO
The ironing board caper sans oxygen mask showed the world what type of woman she was. Even Lee sat that one out.
IMO


Ah yes, the birth of the "we want THOSE" comment ala J02 in regards to Laci's paternal grandmother's jewelry! Can we say tacky, Jackie?

Didn't Lee "sit out" sentencing?

[Otter]

Ah yes, the birth of the "we want THOSE" comment ala J02 in regards to Laci's paternal grandmother's jewelry! Can we say tacky, Jackie?

Didn't Lee "sit out" sentencing?

No, he missed out on the verdict. Just like Geragos, I guess they were both busy. He showed his true colors with the FU to Mr. Grantski during the VIS at the penalty phase. Lovely man, but that's just my opinion. :rolleyes:

Yep, J20 said "we want those". Another poster here (not for me to call him out) can relate the facts much better than I.

[I'mSun]

No, he missed out on the verdict. Just like Geragos, I guess they were both busy. He showed his true colors with the FU to Mr. Grantski during the VIS at the penalty phase. Lovely man, but that's just my opinion. :rolleyes:

Yep, J20 said "we want those". Another poster here (not for me to call him out) can relate the facts much better than I.Remember the picture of J02 sans the 02 carrying the ironing board? That spoke volumes. She doesn't care what it is, she wants it.

[Invrdv8]

No, he missed out on the verdict. Just like Geragos, I guess they were both busy. He showed his true colors with the FU to Mr. Grantski during the VIS at the penalty phase. Lovely man, but that's just my opinion. :rolleyes:

Yep, J20 said "we want those". Another poster here (not for me to call him out) can relate the facts much better than I.

It's bad enough when your attorney doesn't think it's important enough to be there when the verdict is read but, when your own FATHER doesn't think it's important enough to be there???!!!! On top of that Lee doesn't think it's important to be there with Jackie when the verdict is read. And they're supposed to be a close loving family? It's no wonder Scott doesn't have an emotional bone in his body! JMO

[adnoid]

...And they're supposed to be a close loving family?...

Well, they are, you see. Lee, Jackie, Scott, etc. are all very loving and intimate. Just not with their OWN husbands/wives. Anyone up for a "side salad"?

People can be so picky!

[Amy]

I agree with that. It was like she was on a crusade. Parents, I can understand, though I think Jackie went too far. But what's the score with Janey? She was the most militant and vocal. For what? Someone she supposedly hardly knew as a brother-in-law? It doesn't make much sense. His brothers were silent. But his SIL went to war (so to speak) for him. So what gives? I always found it that very strange. :shrug:

Thanks for reminding us about that, Cookiewench :seeya:

JMO

Janey--she knew not only which side the bread was buttered on, but who put the butter there....Jackie and Lee. Step up to the plate, back everything they do and say, (look like a fool in doing so, IMO) grovel and brown nose--cuz, in the end, WHO will get what is left of any inheritance?

She should have looked a little further ahead, tho. They spent all they had on SP's defense, and IMO will continue to put all their money into him. When they die--I'm betting if there is anything left, it will be tied up in funds for his defense, and the other kids will get---pretty much nothing. IMO

[Amy]

If my innocent son was being accused of a crime he didn't committe I would be upset too. But I still don't think that Lee would've said nasties to the Rochas. I think people were reading more into this then it appears.

Some of the "nasties" by Lee Peterson was caught on tape outside the courtroom and were televised. That wasn't hear say, and it wasn't anyone reading anything into anything.

[Amy]

Not all the jurors had their minds made up. As a matter of fact there were 2 or 3 that didn't have their minds made up for Guilt and the other jurors made sure they were thrown off the jury if I remember correctly. One of the jurors that took his role so seriously was napping most of the time and he was the head juror. I can't see that they took their roll so seriously if in fact he was napping or not even showing interest in the case. It would appear his mind was already made up and that was the reason for the other jurors to be dismissed.
I grant you that 1 of the jurors was dumb for his hand eye movements and comments made to the petersons and that was just a good enough excuse to get him thrown off the jury so that the jurors wouldn't have to wait too much longer or be away from their family too much long. Close this up so I can go home. Thus the reason for the dismissed jurors.

The "head juror" at the first was the doctor/writer (whatever his second profession was) who indeed was removed from the panel.

[Amy]

I haven't seen anything that proves he did it. Isn't our country based on Innocent until Proven guilty? I know it went to court and he is now Guilty by 12 jurors but I never seen anything that proved 100% that he was guilty. I only seen circumstancial evidence that everyone would assume he was guilty. Amber sealed his fate because he cheated on a very beautiful vibrant woman that was 8 monts pregnant. They made him a martyr because of that.

It is "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

Circumstancial evidence IS evidence (including forensic evidence.)

IMO, the only role of the conversations between SP and AF were to show the lies and deception the man used prior to and after he murdered his wife and child. Such as one conversation where he admits he said this would be his first Christmas without his wife. Then he hemmed and hawed about, trying to come up with a plausible explanation for saying that.

[Amy]

I believe Falconer was only on the jury for 13 days, certainly not long enough to have heard enough testimony to make any decision

IIRC, those 13 days included the 3 day weekends (no court action from Thur afternoon to Mon am) and all the stuff that goes on once the jury is selected--the lawyers wrangling about this being allowed in or not, etc etc etc. So, he really only heard about 2 days of actual testimony, IIRC. IMO, etc and so on.

[Amy]

The Peterson's had a friend kick in the door in order to gain access to Scott's house? Where/when was that ever reported? Wouldn't it stand to reason that Jackie would have also had a key to the house? Are you saying that the house was "trashed" by those who went there with Jackie? Why do you think they would do something like that when according to Jackie Scott needed specific items in the house for when he was released from jail and went back to the house to live. It's been awhile since all this took place but, I don't think my memory is failling me that fast!:confused:

I do believe that some of the "trashing" may have been from the search warrants, where LE takes pieces of carpet, even pieces of wall board if it looks like there may be something that looks like blood spatter and all that. Not to say LE did all the "trashing" nor even some of it---just that, from what I have seen, a house after a search warrant can look pretty bad. Don't think that would have anything to do with a door being kicked in, tho.

[Amy]

Sharon never made any public statements where she said Scott did it. I believe that particular phone conversation happened in Febuary. She ignored all the little flags that would have told her he was guilty early on.

That's what I remember, too.

IIRC, up until the time Sharon asked SP in the courtroom during victim impact statements: "Why not divorce?"--any pc she was involved in, she did beg and plead with the murderer, she even shouted in frustration at the murderer--but never once did she put a name to the murderer. She never publicly stated that she tho't SP was the murderer of her daughter and grandson.

[Amy]

as for Sharon breaking into the house, if you read page 232 of her book


Then I looked at everyone and said, "Get ready, because when this alarm goes off, it's going to be loud." I took out my old house key, stuck it in the lock and it worked! Clearly the locks hadn't been changed, as Jackie had claimed, but the alarm did go off, and sure enough it was loud."

She also watered Laci's plants and they padlocked the gates so she couldn't even do that.

So, the bottom line is, Sharon did NOT break into Laci's house, she used the key GIVEN to her by none other than Laci. So, she had as much right to enter with house given to her as the Petersons did with the key given to them.

[Buckethead]

Thank you Otter! I knew Lee missed an important moment, but had forgotten which moment it was.

No, he missed out on the verdict. Just like Geragos, I guess they were both busy. He showed his true colors with the FU to Mr. Grantski during the VIS at the penalty phase. Lovely man, but that's just my opinion. :rolleyes:

Yep, J20 said "we want those". Another poster here (not for me to call him out) can relate the facts much better than I.

[Amy]

Congrats on you quiting smoking.

AS for the transcripts, I don't have access to them. They are located in the bay area and I'm not going to drive all the way over there and spend X amount of $ to purchase them when I know what unfolded.
People that live half way across the country may think they know what took place but facts are facts and everything here that I've read seems to be opinionated.

Were you right there, in the midst of everything? When SP went fishing, and when he called Sharon, and when they were in the park? Were you watching the house so as to know who went in and did what? If not, then you are assuming things every bit as much as "people that live half way across the country." Most of the people whom you refer to as being opinionated are in fact folk who HAVE read the trial transcripts. They aren't just posting about what they read in a newspaper.

[cookiewench]

When was Sharon "awarded the house"? Wasn't the house sold and the equity split between Sharon and the Petersons? Where was it ever reported that the house was "trashed" when Jackie took stuff from the home?

No. Sharon was awarded the house, but the Peterson's had given Scott a loan based on a personal lien, which they requested reimbursement for and were given. Personally, I don't think it was legal for Scott to sign that lien when the ownership of it was up in the air, but the Petersons were reimbursed from the proceeds of the sale of the house.

It was reported by insiders that the Peterson's were disrespectful when they moved the last articles from the house. It was reported that trash and empty oxgen tanks were left in the home, picture frames broken, and other damage. I don't remember anything about doors being kicked in.

[deputydi]

Hi Di, long time no "see"!:seeya:
<SNIP>
Hi Ocean and everyone else. :seeya: I've been unable to log in from my home computer and I've been too swamped at work to get on. I don't know what the prob is but I'm hoping FW and the IT people can get it fixed soon. I miss all my buds here. When the problem first occurred, I thought I had been banned but FW assures me that is not the case.

I'm still reading :read: -- trying to catch up.

[Invrdv8]

No. Sharon was awarded the house, but the Peterson's had given Scott a loan based on a personal lien, which they requested reimbursement for and were given. Personally, I don't think it was legal for Scott to sign that lien when the ownership of it was up in the air, but the Petersons were reimbursed from the proceeds of the sale of the house.

It was reported by insiders that the Peterson's were disrespectful when they moved the last articles from the house. It was reported that trash and empty oxgen tanks were left in the home, picture frames broken, and other damage. I don't remember anything about doors being kicked in.

The Petersons loaned Scott money and Scott used the house as collateral? Was this done before or after Laci "disappeared"? Everything I've read says the Peterson's took a loan against the house to finance Scott's defense. I couldn't figure out how they could get a loan against the house if it was in Laci and Scott's name. Empty oxygen tanks? Those tanks are refillable. Why would Jackie leave them behind? Ohhhhh, maybe because there was never any oxygen in them to begin with? I can see them not bothering to do a general cleaning but, it was posted here that the door was kicked in and holes were punched in the walls. I find that hard to believe even for Jackie. JMO

[cookiewench]

The Petersons loaned Scott money and Scott used the house as collateral? Was this done before or after Laci "disappeared"? Everything I've read says the Peterson's took a loan against the house to finance Scott's defense. I couldn't figure out how they could get a loan against the house if it was in Laci and Scott's name. Empty oxygen tanks? Those tanks are refillable. Why would Jackie leave them behind? Ohhhhh, maybe because there was never any oxygen in them to begin with? I can see them not bothering to do a general cleaning but, it was posted here that the door was kicked in and holes were punched in the walls. I find that hard to believe even for Jackie. JMO


That's what I never understood. Scott had absolutely no legal right to be taking out loans on that house.

It was probably decided that a court battle would be prolonged and expensive, so the lawyers for Laci's estate just let it go, IMO.

I can't see Jackie kicking doors and making holes, either - but I can easily imagine Scott's brother John (who was there that day) doing so. That guy is a real idiot.

[Lavindar]

The Petersons loaned Scott money and Scott used the house as collateral? Was this done before or after Laci "disappeared"? Everything I've read says the Peterson's took a loan against the house to finance Scott's defense. I couldn't figure out how they could get a loan against the house if it was in Laci and Scott's name. Empty oxygen tanks? Those tanks are refillable. Why would Jackie leave them behind? Ohhhhh, maybe because there was never any oxygen in them to begin with? I can see them not bothering to do a general cleaning but, it was posted here that the door was kicked in and holes were punched in the walls. I find that hard to believe even for Jackie. JMO


Jackie and Lee ADDED their names to the deed on Covena, THEN took out the loan. The door was kicked in because they did NOT have a key.Sharon had changed the locks. They had agreed to a date when Jackie could remove things, but Jackie thought she'd get sympathy "pulling a Sharon."
She did not.

[Lavindar]

That's what I never understood. Scott had absolutely no legal right to be taking out loans on that house.

It was probably decided that a court battle would be prolonged and expensive, so the lawyers for Laci's estate just let it go, IMO.

I can't see Jackie kicking doors and making holes, either - but I can easily imagine Scott's brother John (who was there that day) doing so. That guy is a real idiot.

There was also another man (a friend of John's I believe, and he was the one who did the actually breaking in.

[Invrdv8]

Jackie and Lee ADDED their names to the deed on Covena, THEN took out the loan. The door was kicked in because they did NOT have a key.Sharon had changed the locks. They had agreed to a date when Jackie could remove things, but Jackie thought she'd get sympathy "pulling a Sharon."
She did not.

How is that possible? If Scott couldn't sell the house without Laci's signature how could Jackie and Lee just "add their name to the deed" without her permission? I would think anything to do with the house would have been dead in the water until it was determined what had happened to Laci. Who in their right mind would loan money against the house?

I know it was reported that Sharon was told she would be allowed to take Laci's things from the house but when they kept stalling her she took matters into her own hands. I somehow can't imagine Jackie thinking she'd get any sympathy since the Petersons hadn't gotten any sympathy from anyone up to that point.

JMO

[Invrdv8]

There was also another man (a friend of John's I believe, and he was the one who did the actually breaking in.

How is it known the friend of John's is the one that did the "actual breaking in"? Did he admit to kicking in the door?

Sorry about all the questions. These are just things I haven't heard reported anywhere and I'm just trying to make sense of things.:shrug:

[Lavindar]

How is it known the friend of John's is the one that did the "actual breaking in"? Did he admit to kicking in the door?

Sorry about all the questions. These are just things I haven't heard reported anywhere and I'm just trying to make sense of things.:shrug:

I believe it was all in the Bee article. Leave it to a Peterson to bring a third party to break in the door. Then they can claim THEY didn't do it.

[Lavindar]

How is that possible? If Scott couldn't sell the house without Laci's signature how could Jackie and Lee just "add their name to the deed" without her permission? I would think anything to do with the house would have been dead in the water until it was determined what had happened to Laci. Who in their right mind would loan money against the house?

I know it was reported that Sharon was told she would be allowed to take Laci's things from the house but when they kept stalling her she took matters into her own hands. I somehow can't imagine Jackie thinking she'd get any sympathy since the Petersons hadn't gotten any sympathy from anyone up to that point.


JMOI don't know how they did it. I just know that if you'd checked the County Court Records, it reported that the house belonged to Scott Peterson, Laci Peterson, Lee A. Peterson and Jacquelyn Peterson.

[enlightenme]

There was also another man (a friend of John's I believe, and he was the one who did the actually breaking in.

Was is John that said on camera, during the trial, that Distaso had "fallen on his own petard" and "the tooth will set Scott free"? Jackie pulled him away frim the camera so fast on that last quote that I almost feared his neck would be broken, LOL!

[Heyes]

Was is John that said on camera, during the trial, that Distaso had "fallen on his own petard" and "the tooth will set Scott free"? Jackie pulled him away frim the camera so fast on that last quote that I almost feared his neck would be broken, LOL!



LOL LOL LOL Oh geeeeez!, I had forgoten those precious gems. lol
Thanks for the reminder and the laugh!
imo

[Lili007]

The poster doesn't seem to bother to read all the comments before responding. As for the comment made about Scott being forced, I just assumed there should have been a question mark (?) after that comment.:shrug: As bad as Laci wanted to get pregnant do you really think she would have gone along with Scott using a condom? How would Scott explain the vasectomy if Laci insisted they see a Dr. to determine why she wasn't able to conceive? As it turned out Scott changed his mind about having kids, Laci stopped taking her birth control pills and she got pregnant.
I hate to say this but, what if her getting pregnant was the beginning of the end for Laci?

So, in other words, Laci's and her unborn baby Conner was all Laci's fault, because she wanted a child and he didn't. So when she conceived and was about to give bitrh, he had no other choice but to murder them both. Great logic.

JMO

[Lili007]

This is only hearsay. I don't and will not believe that Lee would pull such a stunt. The Petersons cared for Laci and Conner, they also lost a grandchild when they lost Laci.

Courtesy of their son.

JMO

PS - I don't believe the "lost" Laci - I don't believe they cared much either way. It was Laci's parents who lost Laci. JMO

[Lili007]

He was in custody of the police. If he wouldn't have been in custody those people would've did more then just yell, scream.
Look what they did to him while he was trying to live in his house. People would throw things at him (tomatoes if I recall) bullhorns were used to yell at him. Media living at his door step. No one can live like that. He wasn't even arrested at the time. There was no evidence to even make an arrest but yet people wouldn't give him any peace. How could anyone live like that.

Well, at least he was alive to hear the noise. Too bad that his wife whom he killed was not, and his unborn son never got to know what noise is, courtesy of his own father.

JMO

[Lili007]

Not all the jurors had their minds made up. As a matter of fact there were 2 or 3 that didn't have their minds made up for Guilt and the other jurors made sure they were thrown off the jury if I remember correctly. One of the jurors that took his role so seriously was napping most of the time and he was the head juror. I can't see that they took their roll so seriously if in fact he was napping or not even showing interest in the case. It would appear his mind was already made up and that was the reason for the other jurors to be dismissed.
I grant you that 1 of the jurors was dumb for his hand eye movements and comments made to the petersons and that was just a good enough excuse to get him thrown off the jury so that the jurors wouldn't have to wait too much longer or be away from their family too much long. Close this up so I can go home. Thus the reason for the dismissed jurors.

Now you're insulting the jurors to defend a convicted wife and baby murderer. Nice. May I suggest that you put yourself in Laci's or her family's shoes and then defend her murderer? Or is that too much to ask? If it is - think about how they feel about it.

JMO

[Lili007]

I haven't seen anything that proves he did it. Isn't our country based on Innocent until Proven guilty? I know it went to court and he is now Guilty by 12 jurors but I never seen anything that proved 100% that he was guilty. I only seen circumstancial evidence that everyone would assume he was guilty. Amber sealed his fate because he cheated on a very beautiful vibrant woman that was 8 monts pregnant. They made him a martyr because of that.

The case has been tried in a court of law and he was found guilty without reasonable doubt.

I don't think that you can try the case again on a message board and get a different result, even if you could. I appreciate this is your opinion, and I respect it for what it is. But I don't agree with it at all.

You don't seem to know much about the case, whereas most of us who post here have followed it pretty much from when it happened, and read the transcripts, and followed the coverage, and followed the case for years.

That's OK - you can chime in any time you wish - there's no requirement for depth of knowledge when you wish to comment, but it would help if you could contribute something other than your "inner feelings" to the discussion when you assert that 12 jurors and most of the people who have followed this case from the start believe Scott Peterson is guilty of double murder are somehow 'wrong' and you're somehow 'right'.

The appeals will follow, but I don't like his chances one bit. And I'm not in the least upset about that, although you seem to be. Each to their own.

JMO

[margaritaville]

This is only hearsay. I don't and will not believe that Lee would pull such a stunt. The Petersons cared for Laci and Conner, they also lost a grandchild when they lost Laci.


Here is another "stunt" Father of the year Peterson pulled in the court house. there is nothing too low this man or his wife will do/say...
Pathetic!!




With several reporters looking on Tuesday afternoon, Peterson said to Grantski, "Where did you go fishing?"

Grantski shot back, "You come down here and I'll tell you where I went fishing."

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/091304_parents_ctv.html

[Invrdv8]

So, in other words, Laci's and her unborn baby Conner was all Laci's fault, because she wanted a child and he didn't. So when she conceived and was about to give bitrh, he had no other choice but to murder them both. Great logic.

JMO
Where in my comment did I say or imply that Laci getting pregnant was "all Laci's fault" and that Scott "had no other choice but to murder" Laci and their unborn child? :shrug: Before you jump to conclusions maybe you should read some of the posts previous to mine and then you could better comprehend what I really said! JMO

[deputydi]

Where in my comment did I say or imply that Laci getting pregnant was "all Laci's fault" and that Scott "had no other choice but to murder" Laci and their unborn child? :shrug: Before you jump to conclusions maybe you should read some of the posts previous to mine and then you could better comprehend what I really said! JMO
I think Lili007 misunderstood your comment. I agree that the impending birth of Conner was probably the "beginning of the end" for Laci. Scott was probably okay with the pregnancy until near the end. That's when reality hit him and he had to face 18 or more years of being a father. Divorce meant child support and would tarnish his perfect "Golden Boy" image. This is, of course, only my opinion but it wouldn't be the first time it happened.

[Invrdv8]

I don't know how they did it. I just know that if you'd checked the County Court Records, it reported that the house belonged to Scott Peterson, Laci Peterson, Lee A. Peterson and Jacquelyn Peterson.

I tried checking the County Court Records and got nothing. Could you possibly provide a link? The only thing I found was Scott giving Lee and Jackie Power of Attorney. I just don't understand how Lee and Jackie's name could be on the house unless it was done when the house was purchased.

[Invrdv8]

I think Lili007 misunderstood your comment. I agree that the impending birth of Conner was probably the "beginning of the end" for Laci. Scott was probably okay with the pregnancy until near the end. That's when reality hit him and he had to face 18 or more years of being a father. Divorce meant child support and would tarnish his perfect "Golden Boy" image. This is, of course, only my opinion but it wouldn't be the first time it happened.

Maybe she should have asked what I meant by my comments rather than criticize my "logic". It's been reported that Scott told many people including Laci, according to Sharon, that he didn't want kids. He evidently changed his mind IMO because Laci wanted kids so badly. IIRC, that wouldn't be the first time he let Laci have her way. I think you're right, reality didn't really set in until towards the end of the pregnancy. I think Scott knew that once there was a child Laci would never again put up with finding out he was involved in another affair. Rather than face divorce and child support he chose to have Laci "disappear" thinking she would never be found and it would all blow over in time and he'd be free and clear of the responsibilities of a husband and father. IMO, the reason it didn't blow over is because everyone was so enranged about Scott's attitude and lack of emotions. JMO

[Lili007]

Where in my comment did I say or imply that Laci getting pregnant was "all Laci's fault" and that Scott "had no other choice but to murder" Laci and their unborn child? :shrug: Before you jump to conclusions maybe you should read some of the posts previous to mine and then you could better comprehend what I really said! JMO

I doin't need comprehension classes, thanks. The quote below is where you imply that, had Laci had not stopped taking birth control pills (and where do you come off stating that she was, or that Scott had asked her to do so???:) she might still be alive if only she hadn't got pregnant??? So that makes Scott innocent by reason of unwanted pregnancy?? Please!

As bad as Laci wanted to get pregnant do you really think she would have gone along with Scott using a condom? How would Scott explain the vasectomy if Laci insisted they see a Dr. to determine why she wasn't able to conceive? As it turned out Scott changed his mind about having kids, Laci stopped taking her birth control pills and she got pregnant.
I hate to say this but, what if her getting pregnant was the beginning of the end for Laci?

What a great reason for murder and getting away with it. NOT.

JMO

[Lili007]

Maybe she should have asked what I meant by my comments rather than criticize my "logic". It's been reported that Scott told many people including Laci, according to Sharon, that he didn't want kids. He evidently changed his mind IMO because Laci wanted kids so badly. IIRC, that wouldn't be the first time he let Laci have her way. I think you're right, reality didn't really set in until towards the end of the pregnancy. I think Scott knew that once there was a child Laci would never again put up with finding out he was involved in another affair. Rather than face divorce and child support he chose to have Laci "disappear" thinking she would never be found and it would all blow over in time and he'd be free and clear of the responsibilities of a husband and father. IMO, the reason it didn't blow over is because everyone was so enranged about Scott's attitude and lack of emotions. JMO

Maybe I did misunderstand your comments - if so, I apologise.

Do you think it should have "blown over"? Do you think he should have walked away with murder and that the only reason he didn't was because "everyone" was so enraged about what he did and how he behaved about it? :shrug:

He was ready to be a father to Amber's child, though I suppose it didn't mean much, because in that scenario he was in a position of being seen as the charitable and bountiful donor of gifts and some perennial affection, rather than the responsible father of his own child whom he'd have to look after for the rest of his life, if not for love, then just for the sake of responsibility.

He couldn't face it. Does that make it Laci's fault, or Conner's? Did they deserve to die because Scott found them to be too cumbersome and difficult to deal with while pursuing his "ideal" lifestyle?

Why not excuse all murderers with the argument that it all became too hard and not worth the bother, and that they'd rather be doing something else, so their victims are fair game, after all. Just a little sacrifice - just a little murder.

You can call it whatever you like. I call it pure, unadultarated selfish evil.

JMO

[Invrdv8]

Maybe I did misunderstand your comments - if so, I apologise.

Do you think it should have "blown over"? Do you think he should have walked away with murder and that the only reason he didn't was because "everyone" was so enraged about what he did and how he behaved about it? :shrug:

He was ready to be a father to Amber's child, though I suppose it didn't mean much, because in that scenario he was in a position of being seen as the charitable and bountiful donor of gifts and some perennial affection, rather than the responsible father of his own child whom he'd have to look after for the rest of his life, if not for love, then just for the sake of responsibility.

He couldn't face it. Does that make it Laci's fault, or Conner's? Did they deserve to die because Scott found them to be too cumbersome and difficult to deal with while pursuing his "ideal" lifestyle?

Why not excuse all murderers with the argument that it all became too hard and not worth the bother, and that they'd rather be doing something else, so their victims are fair game, after all. Just a little sacrifice - just a little murder.

You can call it whatever you like. I call it pure, unadultarated selfish evil.

JMO

You did misunderstand my comments.

What I said was Scott was hoping Laci's disappearance would blow over. I most certainly don't believe it should have.

I do NOT think he should have walked away with murder.

I said one of the reason's it didn't blow over was because of Scott's attitude and lack of emotions.

Scott said he could be a father to Ayiana because he was trying to make points with Amber. Remember Scott is a LIAR. He could walk away from Ayiana anytime with no repercussions or responsibility.

I never said nor implied that anything was "Laci's fault". I never said nor implied "they deserved to die".

What did I say that you interpreted as "all murderers should be excused, etc., etc., etc."?

My comments were in response to previous comments made by another poster. That's why I suggested reading some previous posts to get the gist of the discussion. Sometimes comments can be misinterpreted simply because they are taken out of context.

It's difficult to accept your apology when you say "maybe you did misunderstand my comments" and then IMO continue to put your own spin on them.

I hope I have clarified things for you and that you realize now where Scott and the case are concerned we're both on the same page.

[Lili007]

Where in my comment did I say or imply that Laci getting pregnant was "all Laci's fault" and that Scott "had no other choice but to murder" Laci and their unborn child? :shrug: Before you jump to conclusions maybe you should read some of the posts previous to mine and then you could better comprehend what I really said! JMO

I made an ill-considered comment because I misunderstood what you said in your post. Please accept my apologies. I made a mistake. I was wrong.

Sincerely,
Lili

[Invrdv8]

I made an ill-considered comment because I misunderstood what you said in your post. Please accept my apologies. I made a mistake. I was wrong.

Sincerely,
Lili

Thanks, apology accepted!! :)

[Lavindar]

I tried checking the County Court Records and got nothing. Could you possibly provide a link? The only thing I found was Scott giving Lee and Jackie Power of Attorney. I just don't understand how Lee and Jackie's name could be on the house unless it was done when the house was purchased.


I know longer have that link. It was on a computer that was stolen. I saw it and a friend also looked it up on her computer. With power of atty, they could have done it. The point is that they were sure eager to get there hands on anything of value.