O.J. In The News Again

[merdrew]

Police Call O.J. a Suspect in Break-In

By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY,AP
Posted: 2007-09-14 13:14:33
Filed Under: Crime News, Law News, Nation News

LAS VEGAS (Sept. 14) - Investigators questioned O.J. Simpson and named him a suspect Friday in a break-in at a casino hotel room involving sports memorabilia.

The break-in was reported at the Palace Station casino late Thursday night, police spokesman Jose Montoya said. He said investigators determined the break-in involved sports collectibles.

"When they talked to him, Simpson made the comment that he believed the memorabilia was his," Montoya said. "We're getting conflicting stories from the two sides."

Simpson was released after he and several associates were questioned, but he is considered a suspect in the case, Montoya said. He is believed to be in Las Vegas.

"We don't believe he's going anywhere," he said.


Sources on Alleged Break-In
The Heisman Trophy winner, ex-NFL star and actor lives near Miami and has been a tabloid staple since his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ron Goldman were killed in 1994. Simpson was acquitted of murder charges, but a jury later held him liable for the killings in a wrongful death lawsuit.

Simpson has had to auction off his sports collectibles, including his Heisman Trophy, to pay some of the $33.5 million judgment awarded to the Goldman family.

On Thursday, the Goldman family published a book about the killings that Simpson had written under the title, "If I Did It," about how he would have committed the crime had he actually done it. After a deal for Simpson to publish it fell through, a federal bankruptcy judge awarded the book's rights to the Goldman family, who retitled iv "If I Did It: The Confessions of a Killer."

Fred Goldman, Ron's Goldman's father, defended the family's decision to publish the book. He noted Simpson's penchant for breaking headlines.

"He brings attention to himself every time we turn around and he will continue to do that forever," Goldman said Friday on NBC's "Today Show."

Investigators in the casino case planned to give their report to prosecutors Friday, Montoya said. The district attorney's office will"decide whether to pursue charges.

Simpson had been scheduled to give a deposition Friday in Miami in a bankruptcy case involving his eldest daughter. But it was rescheduled because Simpson had told attorneys that he would be out of town.

Patricia Jones, a woman at the Florida office of Simpson attorney Yale L. Galanter who identified herself as Galanter's associate, said Galanter was out of town and had been forwarded messages seeking comment.

The Palace Station, an aging property just west of the Las Vegas Strip, is one of several Station Casinos-owned resorts that cater to locals. The 1,000-room hotel-casino, with a 21-story tower and adjacent buildings, opened in 1976.

A company spokeswoman did not immediately return a call for comment.

Associated Press writer Tony Winton in Miami contributed to this report.


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2007-09-14 10:16:10

[weezer]

did you see the pic? LOL he looks like cr@p. . . . .old and fat.

[socaldiva]

did you see the pic? LOL he looks like cr@p. . . . .old and fat.


Old, fat & seems to be involved more nefarious behavior. He just can't seem to stop making a fool of himself :D

[weezer]

Old, fat & seems to be involved more nefarious behavior. He just can't seem to stop making a fool of himself :D

LOL -- couldn't show up for his co-conspirators bankruptcy deposition because he was going to be out of town. . . . . .;)

[tv]

LOL -- couldn't show up for his co-conspirators bankruptcy deposition because he was going to be out of town. . . . . .;)There are three certainties in life -- death, taxes and OJ Simpson doing something stupid...LOL. :D

[LindaA]

Do you guys find something strange about the timing of this? Could it all have ben an ill-conceived publicity stunt to promote his new book? Seems strange, b/c he doesn't profit from it, but this is OJ we are talking about.

[martin II]

There are three certainties in life -- death, taxes and OJ Simpson doing something stupid...LOL. :D

He was in vagus for a Wedding. Deposition can be taken anytime.

martin II

[Levi]

This sort of behavior doesn't shock me from O.J. Simpson, he thinks he is above the law, so he is going to do his own "sting operation" to get things that allegedly belong to him! He thinks he can act like a police officer. You know whom I blame? I blame the 12 dumb asses that let this psychopath walk. They gave him a sense of being invincible that he can do any damn thing he wants! They made his ego even larger! If that’s even possible!

He thinks him and some scumbag groupies of his can barge in on someone with guns demanding anything they want! After all he got off free on Double Murder charges, it didn't matter that his blood was at the scene of the crime, it didn't matter that the victims blood was in his Bronco and it didn't matter that Nicole Brown even PREDICTED that she would be murdered by him!

He thinks he is King of the World! I hope we bring him down and we bring him down hard. How ironic would it be that OJ finally ends up in jail!?!?!?!

[weezer]

anyone know how this was orenthal's 'stuff'? I mean, I understood that he had to sell this stuff to satisfy the judgement? I do remember that he said some of the 'stuff' wasn't there because he had already given some of it away and some of it he had put (or tried to put) into a trust for the kids. And, if it was stolen, did orenthal file some kind of report? And if he had reported it, why didnt' he call LE and tell them that he had a lead on his 'stolen stuff'? Nah -- it's sounding to me like maybe this was one of orenthal's 'stashes' (martin's term) and the sting was on him! LOL

[weezer]

the guy that's saying orenthal didn't do anything wrong is his buddy -- LOL

[tv]

the guy that's saying orenthal didn't do anything wrong is his buddy -- LOLI heard last night on Greta that some of the stuff came from a storage locker with his mother's stuff in it that was sold because no one paid the rent on it. If that's the case, the stuff isn't his. Storage locker contents are legally sold all the time.

[tourist#1]

This man will never learn.

MOO

[weezer]

I heard last night on Greta that some of the stuff came from a storage locker with his mother's stuff in it that was sold because no one paid the rent on it. If that's the case, the stuff isn't his. Storage locker contents are legally sold all the time.

sounds like he took more over to mama's than just the piano? LOL

[weezer]

Do you guys find something strange about the timing of this? Could it all have ben an ill-conceived publicity stunt to promote his new book? Seems strange, b/c he doesn't profit from it, but this is OJ we are talking about.

I'm trying to recall -- is the sociopath or the psychopath that doesn't consider the consequences of their actions? Or maybe they share that personality trait? At any rate, orenthal's ongoing activities certainly fit that description. imo

[William Anthony]

This sort of behavior doesn't shock me from O.J. Simpson, he thinks he is above the law, so he is going to do his own "sting operation" to get things that allegedly belong to him! He thinks he can act like a police officer. You know whom I blame? I blame the 12 dumb asses that let this psychopath walk. They gave him a sense of being invincible that he can do any damn thing he wants! They made his ego even larger! If that’s even possible!

He thinks him and some scumbag groupies of his can barge in on someone with guns demanding anything they want! After all he got off free on Double Murder charges, it didn't matter that his blood was at the scene of the crime, it didn't matter that the victims blood was in his Bronco and it didn't matter that Nicole Brown even PREDICTED that she would be murdered by him!

He thinks he is King of the World! I hope we bring him down and we bring him down hard. How ironic would it be that OJ finally ends up in jail!?!?!?!

Interesting. You blame Simpson's behavior on the sophisticated criminal jury, who saw through the prosecution's sham of a case. I think the sophisticated jury asked how and when the blood got in the Bronco and expected proof beyond a reasonable doubt as to the answers to those questions. I do believe that the prediction of which you speak, was kept out of the trial as it was hearsay. I do not approve of his sting operation. I have however heard of a citizen's arrest. I do not know, if Simpson or those involved planned to arrest the individual(s) or not. Do you?

[weezer]

Interesting. You blame Simpson's behavior on the sophisticated criminal jury, who saw through the prosecution's sham of a case. I think the sophisticated jury asked how and when the blood got in the Bronco and expected proof beyond a reasonable doubt as to the answers to those questions. I do believe that the prediction of which you speak, was kept out of the trial as it was hearsay. I do not approve of his sting operation. I have however heard of a citizen's arrest. I do not know, if Simpson or those involved planned to arrest the individual(s) or not. Do you?

Interesting that you interpreted the post that way. I understood the post to say that orenthal is able to continue his socio/psychopathic ways because the criminal jury set him loose on society. imo

[William Anthony]

Interesting that you interpreted the post that way. I understood the post to say that orenthal is able to continue his socio/psychopathic ways because the criminal jury set him loose on society. imo

You are by all means entitled to your opinion of a post but the post was clear as to who was to blame. Here is the relevant portion.

"He thinks he can act like a police officer. You know whom I blame? I blame the 12 dumb asses that let this psychopath walk."

My reading is that it is clear that the poster is blaming the civil jury for Simpson's conduct.

[weezer]

You are by all means entitled to your opinion of a post but the post was clear as to who was to blame. Here is the relevant portion.

"He thinks he can act like a police officer. You know whom I blame? I blame the 12 dumb asses that let this psychopath walk."

My reading is that it is clear that the poster is blaming the civil jury for Simpson's conduct.

oh I think any reasonable person understands that the jury is not responsible for orenthal's conduct but they are responsible for returning him to society to continue his conduct. imo

[William Anthony]

Fbgweezer,

I remember when I was banned, or maybe received an infraction because some were offended, when I made a completely innocent remark about another poster's avatar, and that poster did not find my remark offensive. There were posts made telling me that the posters found the remark offensive. In that vein, let me be the first to say that I find the post that called 12 people dumb a***s, offensive.

[weezer]

Fbgweezer,

I remember when I was banned, or maybe received an infraction because some were offended, when I made a completely innocent remark about another poster's avatar, and that poster did not find my remark offensive. There were posts made telling me that the posters found the remark offensive. In that vein, let me be the first to say that I find the post that called 12 people dumb a***s, offensive.

I thought it was dead-on! :D But then, I also think orenthal james simpson is a double murderer.

[weezer]

anyone watch Greta's show last night? She said she found the book fascinating.

[tv]

anyone watch Greta's show last night? She said she found the book fascinating.I watched Greta and it was really good. I thought Mark Fuhrman did a great job with pointing out how wrong Dr. Baden's theories are.

[weezer]

I watched Greta and it was really good. I thought Mark Fuhrman did a great job with pointing out how wrong Dr. Baden's theories are.

After watching baden in the spector trial and then his performance on Greta, I'm thinking the old guy has become sinile! :eek:

[tv]

After watching baden in the spector trial and then his performance on Greta, I'm thinking the old guy has become sinile! :eek:He seems like a nice guy but I think he's wrong a alot!

[tazzybaby]

The guy that told Simpson that his memorabilia was being sold is now saying that OJ just got "all worked up" (this is on TMZ). I really am not shocked at all. Simpson has displayed a pattern for many years now. He seems to have a bad temper problem. One that, even though he was acquitted on murder charges, he still can't seem to control. And, he seems to have his own version of "justice" or "revenge". He has a serious problem that should have been dealt with before the murders. If the people around him would quit justifying or overlooking his actions, then maybe they could get him help. He will continue with this type of behavior until he dies. His thinking is distorted.

I feel so bad for Sydney and Justin. OJ is such an @ss!

[William Anthony]

I thought it was dead-on! :D But then, I also think orenthal james simpson is a double murderer.

I see that double standards are still alive and flourishing in America. Thanks.

[weezer]

I see that double standards are still alive and flourishing in America. Thanks.

which double standard are you referring to william? the one where a double murderer walks free because an ignorant and biased jury want to pay back LE for real and/or imagined abuse?

[William Anthony]

oh I think any reasonable person understands that the jury is not responsible for orenthal's conduct but they are responsible for returning him to society to continue his conduct. imo

Oh contraire, the one's to blame are the members of LE, who either planted or presented evidence that was so untrustworthy, that caused the sophisticated jury to render a verdict stating the prosecution failed to meet its burden. I understand why some want to refer to the criminal jury by derogatory remarks. Some Americans and some individuals are predictable, imho.

[weezer]

Oh contraire, the one's to blame are the members of LE, who either planted or presented evidence that was so untrustworthy, that caused the sophisticated jury to render a verdict stating the prosecution failed to meet its burden. I understand why some want to refer to the criminal jury by derogatory remarks. Some Americans and some individuals are predictable, imho.

same tired tune, different day. :seeya:

[William Anthony]

same tired tune, different day. :seeya:

Yes, and perhaps you should think about not making your predictable posts and refering to people in a derogatory manner.

[William Anthony]

which double standard are you referring to william? the one where a double murderer walks free because an ignorant and biased jury want to pay back LE for real and/or imagined abuse?

No fbgweezer, the double standard is when I made an innocent post about someone's avatar and another poster is allowed to use a word on the board that is clearly outside the rules. However, there are those who do not find the post offensive and agree with it, despite the rules.

The double standard that applies to legal system is written in the pages of American history, and are not imaginary but real. One of the most recent examples of this can be seen on the Jena Six thread. The double standard on this board is pretty obvious by some posters lack of offense at another's disregard of the rules, imho.

[weezer]

anyone seen a list of the 'stuff' orenthal claimed was his? I'd love to know if any of that 'stuff' was on the list of things that were supposed to be auctioned.

[William Anthony]

I just saw the notorius MF on Geraldo, looking like an overstuffed dried-up turkey breast and gobbling on and on about his usual absurdities as to what he felt the evidence proved, ignoring all the flaws in the evidence and not speaking of his failures.

[tv]

I just saw the notorius MF on Geraldo, looking like an overstuffed dried-up turkey breast and gobbling on and on about his usual absurdities as to what he felt the evidence proved, ignoring all the flaws in the evidence and not speaking of his failures.How nice, William. :)

[weezer]

I just saw the notorius MF on Geraldo, looking like an overstuffed dried-up turkey breast and gobbling on and on about his usual absurdities as to what he felt the evidence proved, ignoring all the flaws in the evidence and not speaking of his failures.

He is good isn't he?

[tv]

He is good isn't he?Yes, he's very good.

William, I'm beginning to believe you really don't like Mark Fuhrman. :eek:

[weezer]

"Cook, the Goldmans' lawyer, said he would seek a court order Tuesday forcing Simpson to turn over any of the items he may have recovered to the authorities to be sold. "Either it belongs to Beardsley or the stuff belongs to the sheriff, and either way, O.J. Simpson is going to walk out empty-handed," he said."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3603809

[weezer]

"Simpson had been scheduled to give a deposition in Miami today in a bankruptcy case involving his oldest daughter. It was rescheduled because Simpson had told attorneys that he would be out of town."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3603809

looks like orenthal left arnelle holding the bag -- again! :eek:

[Athena]

Oh contraire, the one's to blame are the members of LE, who either planted or presented evidence that was so untrustworthy, that caused the sophisticated jury to render a verdict stating the prosecution failed to meet its burden. <snip>

I have to agree with this part of your statement. My favorite expression when referring to the OJ case is that the LAPD tried to frame a guilty man and it backfired thus the "not guilty" verdict. MOO

[martin II]

"Simpson had been scheduled to give a deposition in Miami today in a bankruptcy case involving his oldest daughter. It was rescheduled because Simpson had told attorneys that he would be out of town."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3603809

looks like orenthal left arnelle holding the bag -- again! :eek:

you may not know it but depositions are rescheduled often when there is a conflict in scheduling of a party. It is only a meeting in a lawyers office.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

you may not know it but depositions are rescheduled often when there is a conflict in scheduling of a party. It is only a meeting in a lawyers office.

imo
martin II

yes, I understand that there could be a conflict if you need to be out of town to commit armed burglary...........:rolleyes:

[Athena]

you may not know it but depositions are rescheduled often when there is a conflict in scheduling of a party. It is only a meeting in a lawyers office.

imo
martin II

Yes you are correct. I've had a couple rescheduled myself and I was in town but I was already scheduled for a training class associated with work. Not a big deal. I believe OJ had attended a wedding? :)

[martin II]

yes, I understand that there could be a conflict if you need to be out of town to commit armed burglary...........:rolleyes:

who commited armed burglary??? who has been charged with that offense?

martin II

[martin II]

Yes you are correct. I've had a couple rescheduled myself and I was in town but I was already scheduled for a training class associated with work. Not a big deal. I believe OJ had attended a wedding? :)

i had one where the defense lawyer did not show to ask me quesitons in his office and it was rescheduled.

Oj was in town to attend a wedding.

martin II

[tv]

i had one where the defense lawyer did not show to ask me quesitons in his office and it was rescheduled.

Oj was in town to attend a wedding.

martin IIDoes anyone know whose wedding he was attending?

[martin II]

Does anyone know whose wedding he was attending?

he said a friend's

martin II

[tv]

he said a friend's

martin IIThanks. :)

[William Anthony]

How nice, William. :)

I know there were some comments made about Simpson's appearance and I just wanted to level the playing field. :)

[William Anthony]

He is good isn't he?

Some think that 9-11 was a good thing. I guess good depends on your cultural spatio-temporal frame of reference.

[William Anthony]

Yes, he's very good.

William, I'm beginning to believe you really don't like Mark Fuhrman. :eek:

Why Tv, thank you for the compliements. I am pleased to know that you do not have any respect for the notorious bigoted admitted corrupt cop, MF.

[William Anthony]

I have to agree with this part of your statement. My favorite expression when referring to the OJ case is that the LAPD tried to frame a guilty man and it backfired thus the "not guilty" verdict. MOO

I do not know if Simpson was innocent but there are plenty of reasons to support that he was not guilty based on the evidence or lack thereof.

[William Anthony]

I think the conversation is slightly OT. One of the alleged co-conspirators was on the Geraldo show and said that they were going to identify the stolen property and call the police. Sounds like a citizen's arrest to me.

[socaldiva]

Relative to OT, some need to look at their last several posts & get back on topic themselves. That might help solve the problem.

[William Anthony]

I think someone already did and decided to make the comment about OT. What does not help is another OT post designed to bait, imho. There has been one person arrested in regard to the actions taken in Las Vegas. The person is said to have been a member of Simpson's party.

[socaldiva]

Just because something is posted that another poster doesn't like or agree with, doesn't mean it's bait. ;)

The post in question didn't appear to be an admission to the poster themselves being OT, but looked as though to be a reprimand to others about being OT.

I wonder if "Charlie" attended the wedding in Las Vegas......

[socaldiva]

Orenthal is trying to say that he was trying to retreive pictures of his wife & children & also that the police don't treat him properly. What a nutjob!

"Simpson, 60, said he was just trying to retrieve memorabilia, particularly photos of his wife and children. There were no guns and no break-in, he said."

"The police, since my trouble, have not worked out for me," he said, noting that whenever he has called the police "It just becomes a story about O.J."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070916/ap_on_re_us/simpson_questioned

[martin II]

Thanks. :)

whats up with the guy that said he was robbed talking to oj and making up.
or the other one asking oj 'WE GOOD' " can we still do business"

Wonder how he can now say he did not see a gun.
haha

martin II

[martin II]

Adding another twist to the investigation Saturday, Beardsley told The Associated Press that he no longer wants to press charges.

"I want this thing to go away. I have health problems," he said from Burbank, Calif.

"I have no desire to fly back and forth to Las Vegas to prosecute this," he said. "How are they going to have a witness who's on O.J.'s side?"

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9812747.html


hhmmmmm

martinii

[tv]

Why Tv, thank you for the compliements. I am pleased to know that you do not have any respect for the notorious bigoted admitted corrupt cop, MF.You're very welcome, William. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said but you are free to interpret however you like. :)

[tv]

Adding another twist to the investigation Saturday, Beardsley told The Associated Press that he no longer wants to press charges.

"I want this thing to go away. I have health problems," he said from Burbank, Calif.

"I have no desire to fly back and forth to Las Vegas to prosecute this," he said. "How are they going to have a witness who's on O.J.'s side?"

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9812747.html


hhmmmmm

martiniiThey can prosecute without him but they may decide it's not worth the time and trouble. After all, didn't OJ Simpson apologize? Doesn't that make it okay? :D Maybe if he'd apologized for killing Ron and Nicole it would have all gone away.

[martin II]

They can prosecute without him but they may decide it's not worth the time and trouble. After all, didn't OJ Simpson apologize? Doesn't that make it okay? :D Maybe if he'd apologized for killing Ron and Nicole it would have all gone away.

the apology would have been for what.

martin II

[tv]

the apology would have been for what.

martin IIFor losing his temper and killing Ron and Nicole of course. Or do you mean the LV episode?

[martin II]

For losing his temper and killing Ron and Nicole of course. Or do you mean the LV episode?

That would call for oj to be concerned about what you think is fact as to opposed to what he knows.imo

martin II

[William Anthony]

This was my original post and I did not reprimand anyone. It was simply an observation. To interpret any other way is the difference in the standards to which I was speaking. There was a concerted effort to report my innocent remark about an avatar, but there is no such effort to report another poster's infraction of the rules.

"I think the conversation is slightly OT. One of the alleged co-conspirators was on the Geraldo show and said that they were going to identify the stolen property and call the police. Sounds like a citizen's arrest to me."

[William Anthony]

You're very welcome, William. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said but you are free to interpret however you like. :)

Tv,

Thank you for allowing me that freedom, :). I remain pleased that you agree that the notorious MF's statements on the tape were vile, repulsive and showed admissions of his corrupt poliice conduct. However, before we or I incur any wrath, let's stay OT, :).

[martin II]

They can prosecute without him but they may decide it's not worth the time and trouble. After all, didn't OJ Simpson apologize? Doesn't that make it okay? :D Maybe if he'd apologized for killing Ron and Nicole it would have all gone away.

Prosecutors may do just that since it is oj and he may have a bullseye on his back in the world of prosecutors. The le person already said they would hold "a BIASED complete investigation"

But without witnesses it may be difficult.

so he had better be careful.

martin II

[William Anthony]

Prosecutors may do just that since it is oj and he may have a bullseye on his back in the world of prosecutors. The le person already said they would hold "a BIASED complete investigation"

But without witnesses it may be difficult.

so he had better be careful.

martin II

I think that intent may become a factor as it relates to criminal activity. If the intent was to identify the goods and call the police, then intend to commit a crime may be difficult to prove. Intent is allowed to be infered from conduct. However, unless Simpson was accused of pulling a gun then assault charges may not hold muster. The unlawful breaking and entry may be another matter, as well as damage to property, and the conspiracies thereto. It will be interesting to see what the charges will be.

[tv]

Tv,

Thank you for allowing me that freedom, :). I remain pleased that you agree that the notorious MF's statements on the tape were vile, repulsive and showed admissions of his corrupt poliice conduct. However, before we or I incur any wrath, let's stay OT, :).Thank you for making me laugh, William. :D

Now, back on topic...I see that two firearms have been seized in the robbery investigation. I thought OJ Simpson said no guns were involved?

[William Anthony]

Thank you for making me laugh, William. :D

Now, back on topic...I see that two firearms have been seized in the robbery investigation. I thought OJ Simpson said no guns were involved?

I do not know if Simpson said that or not. However, he was not under oath at the time he gave that statement. :) If you are suggesting that he may be charged with obstructing justice, that may well be. I just heard the charges against the person arrested and, I can't remember the laundy list. However, I feel that his tongue will soon be wragging, if it has not already. It will be interesting to see what the charges will be and against whom they will be levied.

[tv]

I do not know if Simpson said that or not. However, he was not under oath at the time he gave that statement. :) If you are suggesting that he may be charged with obstructing justice, that may well be. I just heard the charges against the person arrested and, I can't remember the laundy list. However, I feel that his tongue will soon be wragging, if it has not already. It will be interesting to see what the charges will be and against whom they will be levied.I hadn't thought of obstructing justice but that's certainly something to consider. From what I've heard in sound bites, the participants are all acquainted so I'm not sure how far this is going to go. I'm sure more than one tongue at this point.

[TobyTiger]

POLICE: MAN ARRESTED, GUNS SEIZED IN O.J. CASE

Updated: 26 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS - A man was arrested in connection with an alleged armed robbery of sports memorabilia involving O.J. Simpson, and police said Sunday the former football star still may be arrested as well.

Simpson is expected to be questioned again Sunday morning and may face arrest, police Lt. Clint Nichols said. Simpson has said the items belonged to him, and police questioned him earlier in their investigation.

The man detained Saturday night was arrested on two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit robbery and burglarly with a deadly weapon, Nichols said. Two firearms were seized.

He was not identified. Nichols said police were seeking other suspects.

“There may be as many as five outstanding (suspects),” he said, confirming that Simpson was among those five.

Police executed two search warrants early Sunday morning on private residences, Nichols said. The weapons and other evidence were seized at the first location.

“It was evidence of a crime that was committed,” Nichols said. “And I believe we recovered some clothing that the individual was wearing in the commission of the robbery.”

The man is accused of being among a group of people that went to the room of memorabilia dealers at the Palace Station casino-hotel on Thursday and seized items. Simpson has said the items belonged to him, and police have questioned him once in their investigation.

'It just becomes a story about O.J.'
Simpson told The Associated Press on Saturday that he did he did not even consider calling the police to help reclaim personal items he believed were stolen from him, because he has found the police unresponsive when he needed help ever since his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ron Goldman, were killed in 1994.

“The police, since my trouble, have not worked out for me,” he said, noting that whenever he has called the police “It just becomes a story about O.J.”

“I’m at the point where I don’t rely on the police and this is not a police issue anyway,” he said, expressing hope that it will soon be resolved.

Simpson, 60, said he was just trying to retrieve memorabilia, particularly photos of his wife and children. There were no guns and no break-in, he said.

As police try to determine what happened in the hotel room, they must unravel the contorted relationships between the erstwhile athlete and a cadre of collectors that has profited from his infamy since the slayings of his ex-wife and Goldman. He was acquitted of murder in 1995, but was found liable for their deaths in a civil case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20773318/

[weezer]

POLICE: MAN ARRESTED, GUNS SEIZED IN O.J. CASE

Updated: 26 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS - A man was arrested in connection with an alleged armed robbery of sports memorabilia involving O.J. Simpson, and police said Sunday the former football star still may be arrested as well.

Simpson is expected to be questioned again Sunday morning and may face arrest, police Lt. Clint Nichols said. Simpson has said the items belonged to him, and police questioned him earlier in their investigation.

The man detained Saturday night was arrested on two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit robbery and burglarly with a deadly weapon, Nichols said. Two firearms were seized.

He was not identified. Nichols said police were seeking other suspects.

“There may be as many as five outstanding (suspects),” he said, confirming that Simpson was among those five.

Police executed two search warrants early Sunday morning on private residences, Nichols said. The weapons and other evidence were seized at the first location.

“It was evidence of a crime that was committed,” Nichols said. “And I believe we recovered some clothing that the individual was wearing in the commission of the robbery.”

The man is accused of being among a group of people that went to the room of memorabilia dealers at the Palace Station casino-hotel on Thursday and seized items. Simpson has said the items belonged to him, and police have questioned him once in their investigation.

'It just becomes a story about O.J.'
Simpson told The Associated Press on Saturday that he did he did not even consider calling the police to help reclaim personal items he believed were stolen from him, because he has found the police unresponsive when he needed help ever since his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ron Goldman, were killed in 1994.

“The police, since my trouble, have not worked out for me,” he said, noting that whenever he has called the police “It just becomes a story about O.J.”

“I’m at the point where I don’t rely on the police and this is not a police issue anyway,” he said, expressing hope that it will soon be resolved.

Simpson, 60, said he was just trying to retrieve memorabilia, particularly photos of his wife and children. There were no guns and no break-in, he said.

As police try to determine what happened in the hotel room, they must unravel the contorted relationships between the erstwhile athlete and a cadre of collectors that has profited from his infamy since the slayings of his ex-wife and Goldman. He was acquitted of murder in 1995, but was found liable for their deaths in a civil case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20773318/

thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see what the dealings, history and connection is between orenthal and this group of folks. you don't suppose orenthal has been selling stuff illegally through his buds do you? :tongue:

[TobyTiger]

thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see what the dealings, history and connection is between orenthal and this group of folks. you don't suppose orenthal has been selling stuff illegally through his buds do you? :tongue:

LOL....OJ selling stuff illegally???? As long as he continues to refuse to pay Fred Goldman one cent, I believe anything's possible.

[Levi]

I guess he has given up his search for the real killers to get involved in "sting operations".

Criminals tend to be repeat offenders. That's why we need to lock them up to protect society.

It doesn't shock me O.J. would be involved in Vigilantism. I just wonder what is taking so long to make the arrest? If this was anyone else, they would have already been arrested.

[weezer]

Police arrest O.J. Simpson for robbery and other charges, NBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[weezer]

Breaking NewsLas Vegas police arrest O.J. Simpson in connection with an alleged armed robbery, source tells CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/16/oj.simpson.ap/index.html

[TobyTiger]

Police arrest O.J. Simpson for robbery and other charges, NBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
THANK YOU TO THE LVPD!
:beer: :beer: :beer:

[TobyTiger]

Breaking NewsLas Vegas police arrest O.J. Simpson in connection with an alleged armed robbery, source tells CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/16/oj.simpson.ap/index.html

I do have to wonder who is going to bail him out this time?

[weezer]

I do have to wonder who is going to bail him out this time?

oh I'm sure one of his 'buddies' will but if they don't come through, he'll blame it on Nicole. imo

[TobyTiger]

oh I'm sure one of his 'buddies' will but if they don't come through, he'll blame it on Nicole. imo
I'm not seeing any online updates that mention an attorney, however there was a news conference and it's been reported he has retained counsel.

[weezer]

I'm not seeing any online updates that mention an attorney, however there was a news conference and it's been reported he has retained counsel.

LOL -- judging by the stuff he keeps getting into, he's bound to have an attorney on retainer.

[TobyTiger]

LOL -- judging by the stuff he keeps getting into, he's bound to have an attorney on retainer.
He'll probably find some unscrupulous defense attorney whose specialty is organized crime....

:rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=Levi;8987026
Criminals tend to be repeat offenders. That's why we need to lock them up to protect society.

[QUOTE]

Do you have the statistics on recitivism or is this just your opinion. Whose job is it to lock them up? The 12 dumb a****s you refered to or LE's?

I guess this let's Simpson out, since he has not been convicted of a crime.

[weezer]

[QUOTE=Levi;8987026
Criminals tend to be repeat offenders. That's why we need to lock them up to protect society.

[QUOTE]

Do you have the statistics on recitivism or is this just your opinion. Whose job is it to lock them up? The 12 dumb a****s you refered to or LE's?

I guess this let's Simpson out, since he has not been convicted of a crime.

I think the recitivism rate for criminals is pretty common knowledge. orenthal james simpson has been found to be a batterer, thief, liar, cheat, abuser and double murderer. imo

[Levi]

I am listening to Fox News right now and this is VERY interesting! I am keeping my fingers crossed that this sticks and he goes to jail for a while! Gregg Jarret former attorney and Fox News reporter reported that this judge in considering bail/bond could even consider the double murders and find O.J. is dangerous and shouldn't be let out on bail.

I also think that O.J. could be facing conspiracy to commit robbery, he basically made a confession by calling this a "sting" operation. He is cooking his own goose.

Gregg Jarret also reported that O.J. admitted some of the items DID NOT BELONG to him.

I wonder if O.J. or any of his scum bag groupies could be charged with transporting guns across state lines?

O.J. has cooked his own goose! He won't be golfing *cough *cough, I mean searching for the REAL killer any time soon! :beer:

[TobyTiger]

Another factor that enters into him being released on bail would be that he is not a resident of the State of Nevada. That would add to the flight risk, as well has the slow-speed chase in 1994 and the civil judgment against him for double-murder.

[Levi]

Fox News legal analyst Bob Massy has reported that O.J. will appear via video for an arraignment tomorrow morning.

O.J. sure has a strange way of looking for the real killers -- He looks for them on the golf course. He also has a strange way of packing for a wedding -- he and his thug groupies bring guns! What is O.J. doing with guns going to a wedding? O.J. isn't the one that needs the gun, but the people that are attending the wedding he was going to are the ones who need to armed since he was there!

This guy's explanations are stupid. When he opens his mouth, he inserts his foot. How ironic O.J. is going down for this, but not double murder. Keep talking O.J...

[Levi]

The guy that talked to police -- that authorities arrested before arresting O.J., has been released. Apparently he spilled the goods on O.J., struck a deal and is now incriminating O.J. And now he is out of police custody according to Fox News.

Presser from Det. Nichols soon to confirm these reports.

This isn't looking good for Mr. If I Did It.

[TobyTiger]

The guy that talked to police -- that authorities arrested before arresting O.J., has been released. Apparently he spilled the goods on O.J., struck a deal and is now incriminating O.J. And now he is out of police custody according to Fox News.

Presser from Det. Nichols soon to confirm these reports.

This isn't looking good for Mr. If I Did It.
At least we know LE is intent on prosecuting Simpson. Alexander was facing several felony charges...however his serving time may be contingent on his testimony against Simpson.

[weezer]

IIRC, didn't orenthal say it was Nicole who surrounded herself with nefarious individuals that were dangerous? You don't suppose he was lying about that do you? :tongue:

[TobyTiger]

Press conference on CNN at 4:00pm PDT.
:patriot:

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=William Anthony;8987087][QUOTE=Levi;8987026
Criminals tend to be repeat offenders. That's why we need to lock them up to protect society.



I think the recitivism rate for criminals is pretty common knowledge. orenthal james simpson has been found to be a batterer, thief, liar, cheat, abuser and double murderer. imo

I do not think the recitivism rate is common knowledge other than there is one. The poster indicated by their post that it should be higher than 50% (being kind). Therefore, I asked the poster for the statistics, or was that the poster's opinion. The poster did not state it as an opinion.

He has been found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and malice, oppression and battery on Nicole and Ron. He has yet to be convicted of any crimes. Therefore, the recitivism rate would be inapplicable to him. I appreciate that you stated this as your opinion and not as fact.

[weezer]

LOL -- I just heard/read that some of the 'memorabila' was a video of his first marriage ceremony! This is the same first wife that had to take him to court to force him to pay the divorce settlement. What a jerk! imo

[TobyTiger]

IIRC, didn't orenthal say it was Nicole who surrounded herself with nefarious individuals that were dangerous? You don't suppose he was lying about that do you? :tongue:

Yes he did....especially Faye Resnick. However, the most dangerous associate she seems to have had was him.

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8987098][QUOTE=William Anthony;8987087]

I do not think the recitivism rate is common knowledge other than there is one. The poster indicated by their post that it should be higher than 50% (being kind). Therefore, I asked the poster for the statistics, or was that the poster's opinion. The poster did not state it as an opinion.

He has been found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and malice, oppression and battery on Nicole and Ron. He has yet to be convicted of any crimes. Therefore, the recitivism rate would be inapplicable to him. I appreciate that you stated this as your opinion and not as fact.

Actually, he was convicted of the assault on Nicole in '85. I don't know about where you are, but in most places, if you're found liable for the wrongful death of one individual and malice, oppression and battery on another person -- that's pretty much being convicted of a crime. imo

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8987098][QUOTE=William Anthony;8987087]

I do not think the recitivism rate is common knowledge other than there is one. The poster indicated by their post that it should be higher than 50% (being kind). Therefore, I asked the poster for the statistics, or was that the poster's opinion. The poster did not state it as an opinion.

He has been found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman and malice, oppression and battery on Nicole and Ron. He has yet to be convicted of any crimes. Therefore, the recitivism rate would be inapplicable to him. I appreciate that you stated this as your opinion and not as fact.

"Recidivism

Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 accounted for nearly 4,877,000 arrest charges over their recorded careers.
Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders.
Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders."

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism

[Heyes]

Today is almost like Xmas!
The killer is in jail with some serious charges.
This has turned out to be a very good day, well maybe not for the killer but for those of us who have waited for over a decade to see this criminal back behind bars....:patriot: :beer: and:D
as for the comment about the 12 *****'s known as the jury in the simpson murder case......... ITA! 12 complete *****'s. No doubt about it.

IMO

[weezer]

there has been on and off discussion about orenthal's personality and with this last incident, I thought it might be interesting to compare those traits.

"Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily."

[TobyTiger]

Today is almost like Xmas!
The killer is in jail with some serious charges.
This has turned out to be a very good day, well maybe not for the killer but for those of us who have waited for over a decade to see this criminal back behind bars....:patriot: :beer: and:D


IMO
Hopefully Nevada will be his new home for several years...
and there will be some sort of justice for Ron and Nicole, even though it wouldn't be for their murders that he'd serve time.

[socaldiva]

Today is almost like Xmas!
The killer is in jail with some serious charges.
This has turned out to be a very good day, well maybe not for the killer but for those of us who have waited for over a decade to see this criminal back behind bars....:patriot: :beer: and:D
as for the comment about the 12 *****'s known as the jury in the simpson murder case......... ITA! 12 complete *****'s. No doubt about it.

IMO

I agree. Every day Orenthal spends behind bars is like Xmas! :beer:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
"Profile of the Sociopath


Good research fbg! Since reading about sociopaths a few years back, I alway considered Simpson one. I think the description absolutely fits him.

[weezer]

Good research fbg! Since reading about sociopaths a few years back, I alway considered Simpson one. I think the description absolutely fits him.

me too -- he really, really has problems.

[socaldiva]

Hopefully Nevada will be his new home for several years...
and there will be some sort of justice for Ron and Nicole, even though it wouldn't be for their murders that he'd serve time.

I don't know how long he will be in jail, one of the others that was arrested Saturday was released that same night, without bail. :(

[TobyTiger]

I don't know how long he will be in jail, one of the others that was arrested Saturday was released that same night, without bail. :(

Assuming that Walter Alexander has turned State's evidence and will be testifying against Simpson, he likely was released ROR. If Simpson is the principal in this case, and with his prior history, it is likely that a judge could deny bail.

[weezer]

I don't know how long he will be in jail, one of the others that was arrested Saturday was released that same night, without bail. :(

the news stations are reporting that the guy that was let go is the one who gave the information on where the guns and 'stuff' were. So maybe he's decided he ain't orenthal's friend after all?

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .it is likely that a judge could deny bail."

karma, karma, karma!!!!!

[Heyes]

karma, karma, karma!!!!!

They may very will deny bail.
He beat Nicole, what did he do? He ran
He murdered Nicole, what did he do? he ran
Yup! Flight risk.


Merry Xmas early!

[socaldiva]

Assuming that Walter Alexander has turned State's evidence and will be testifying against Simpson, he likely was released ROR. If Simpson is the principal in this case, and with his prior history, it is likely that a judge could deny bail.

Oh, that makes sense! Sweet :D

[Heyes]

Looks like the killers friends are going to spill the beans. Fox news just talked to Alexanders ( the guy first arrested and released), ex wife. She too is holding some of the sports stuff that the killer has hidden from the courts and Mr. Goldman.
Fred is going to end up finding most of it.
Ya gotta love this!

The suit that the killer wore when he got his aquittal is supposedly held by these sports agents, evidently the killer really wants that suit, looks like Fred is going to get that too. Wonder why simpson wants that suit so bad? anywho, who cares.... If it bothers simpson that Fred gets anything it's a good day.
IMO

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=William Anthony;8987143][QUOTE=fbgweezer;8987098]

"Recidivism

Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 accounted for nearly 4,877,000 arrest charges over their recorded careers.
Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders.
Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders."

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism

Thank you for the interesting but totally irrelevant statistics.

[William Anthony]

Looks like the killers friends are going to spill the beans. Fox news just talked to Alexanders ( the guy first arrested and released), ex wife. She too is holding some of the sports stuff that the killer has hidden from the courts and Mr. Goldman.
Fred is going to end up finding most of it.
Ya gotta love this!

The suit that the killer wore when he got his aquittal is supposedly held by these sports agents, evidently the killer really wants that suit, looks like Fred is going to get that too. Wonder why simpson wants that suit so bad? anywho, who cares.... If it bothers simpson that Fred gets anything it's a good day.
IMO

I wonder if the things that are being found are listed as part of Simpson's Florida homestead.

[socaldiva]

*snip*If it bothers simpson that Fred gets anything it's a good day.


Exactly! It's got little to do with monetary value. Just the fact that Fred is able to snatch something away from Orenthal that he wants.....

[TobyTiger]

Exactly! It's got little to do with monetary value. Just the fact that Fred is able to snatch something away from Orenthal that he wants.....
That isn't all Fred might get. If Simpson brings any money for his bail and/or defense into the State of Nevada, it is fair game for Goldman to attach as part of the Civil judgment. Only in Florida is Simpson's home protected against the judgement.
:patriot:

[TobyTiger]

For anyone who is interested...

Nevada Revised Statutues: Robbery Sec. 200.380
NRS 200.380 Definition; penalty.

1. Robbery is the unlawful taking of personal property from the person of another, or in his presence, against his will, by means of force or violence or fear of injury, immediate or future, to his person or property, or the person or property of a member of his family, or of anyone in his company at the time of the robbery. A taking is by means of force or fear if force or fear is used to:

(a) Obtain or retain possession of the property;

(b) Prevent or overcome resistance to the taking; or

(c) Facilitate escape.

Ê The degree of force used is immaterial if it is used to compel acquiescence to the taking of or escaping with the property. A taking constitutes robbery whenever it appears that, although the taking was fully completed without the knowledge of the person from whom taken, such knowledge was prevented by the use of force or fear.

2. A person who commits robbery is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 15 years.

[1911 C&P § 162; RL § 6427; NCL § 10109]—(NRS A 1961, 53; 1967, 470; 1993, 253; 1995, 1187)
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec380

[tv]

That isn't all Fred might get. If Simpson brings any money for his bail and/or defense into the State of Nevada, it is fair game for Goldman to attach as part of the Civil judgment. Only in Florida is Simpson's home protected against the judgement.
:patriot:I have the feeling tha OJS wishes he could take back the murders of Ron and Nicole; not because he feels unjustified in killing them but because he's lost so much as a result of public opinion and the civil judgement. He would be basking in the warmth of being a beloved, retired sports hero. Instead, he's a pariah who blames everyone else for the position he finds himself in.

[tv]

For anyone who is interested...

Nevada Revised Statutues: Robbery Sec. 200.380
NRS 200.380 Definition; penalty.

1. Robbery is the unlawful taking of personal property from the person of another, or in his presence, against his will, by means of force or violence or fear of injury, immediate or future, to his person or property, or the person or property of a member of his family, or of anyone in his company at the time of the robbery. A taking is by means of force or fear if force or fear is used to:

(a) Obtain or retain possession of the property;

(b) Prevent or overcome resistance to the taking; or

(c) Facilitate escape.

Ê The degree of force used is immaterial if it is used to compel acquiescence to the taking of or escaping with the property. A taking constitutes robbery whenever it appears that, although the taking was fully completed without the knowledge of the person from whom taken, such knowledge was prevented by the use of force or fear.

2. A person who commits robbery is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 15 years.

[1911 C&P § 162; RL § 6427; NCL § 10109]—(NRS A 1961, 53; 1967, 470; 1993, 253; 1995, 1187)
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec380Thanks Toby, very interesting. :)

[TobyTiger]

Thanks Toby, very interesting. :)

And that's just the beginning...
Multiple counts of Armed Robbery, Conspiracy, and the possible Federal charges would change the scenario completely to many years in prison.

Still awaiting the news briefing from Las Vegas.

[William Anthony]

What has happened to the presumption of innocence?

[TobyTiger]

NEWS CONFERENCE STARTING NOW ON FNC.

He immediately invoked his rights to have an attorney.

Charges:

Robbery w/ Deadly Weapon 2 counts

Assault w/ DW 2 counts

Conspiracy to commit burglary

Burglary with a firearm
:patriot:

[TobyTiger]

What has happened to the presumption of innocence?

Many believe justice was NOT served when he was acquitted of the murders of Ron and Nicole, therefore there is no longer any presumption of innocence when it comes to OJ Simpson.

[weezer]

What has happened to the presumption of innocence?

". . . The presumption of innocence does not and should not exist outside a courtroom. Think about it. For to us presume someone innocent is for to us presume the authorities got it wrong whenever they arrest someone. I’m not willing to assume that unless I’m a juror. It’s a legal fiction that was designed for the courtroom. Since the authorities have the power to take away someone’s freedom, we force them to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt and give the defendant the presumption of innocence. The deck is intentionally stacked against the government because they have that enormous power. . ."

[Heyes]

What has happened to the presumption of innocence?


It kinda went out the window when the killer decided to open his big mouth....again, and admitted that this was his "own sting operation".

[TobyTiger]

It kinda went out the window when the killer decided to open his big mouth....again, and admitted that this was his "own sting operation".

Very true.

[Heyes]

Very true.

LMAO!
Fox news is interviewing the actors going into the Emmy's.
No sympathy for simpson here!
lol lol lol

[TobyTiger]

LMAO!
Fox news is interviewing the actors going into the Emmy's.
No sympathy for simpson here!
lol lol lol
I saw that. Sounds like the jury of his peers has spoken and he's not the celebrity he thinks he is.

They're discussing possible bail now...and likely to be over $1 million if the judge grants it. The question would then be how would Simpson post it.

[Heyes]

I saw that. Sounds like the jury of his peers has spoken and he's not the celebrity he thinks he is.

They're discussing possible bail now...and likely to be over $1 million if the judge grants it. The question would then be how would Simpson post it.

Fox news : waiting for the "Perp walk" lol
I am hoping this means he is being transfered to the jail.
Gotta love it!

[TobyTiger]

Fox news : waiting for the "Perp walk" lol
I am hoping this means he is being transfered to the jail.
Gotta love it!
That's the perp walk they're waiting for. Had to laugh at Mark Geragos even saying he wouldn't take the case pro bono but when asked if he'd take it if paid, he said "but that's what I do for a living". Don't worry Mark...OJ won't have any money to pay you. Fred Goldman will intercept it.
:D

ETA...they just showed him leaving the police station, heading to the Clark Co. Detention Facility. The caption on the FNC screen incorrectly stated he was leaving jail.

[tv]

That's the perp walk they're waiting for. Had to laugh at Mark Geragos even saying he wouldn't take the case pro bono but when asked if he'd take it if paid, he said "but that's what I do for a living". Don't worry Mark...OJ won't have any money to pay you. Fred Goldman will intercept it.
:D

ETA...they just showed him leaving the police station, heading to the Clark Co. Detention Facility. The caption on the FNC screen incorrectly stated he was leaving jail.Mark Geragos is a terrible attorney anyway...just ask Scott Peterson or Winona Ryder. LOL.

[TobyTiger]

Mark Geragos is a terrible attorney anyway...just ask Scott Peterson or Winona Ryder. LOL.
Yeah...his track record isn't great. There haven't been many high-profile acquittals lately so I'm at a loss who to suggest.
:D

[tv]

Yeah...his track record isn't great. There haven't been many high-profile acquittals lately so I'm at a loss who to suggest.
:DIt will be interesting to see who comes forward to defend him. According to Fred Goldman, Simpson has plenty of money stashed away to pay an attorney.

I noticed that during his perp walk he was still playing OJ -- smiling and trying to look like he doesn't have a care in the world. I'm waiting for the OJ supporters give the usual excuse that he did it for his kids. LOL.

[William Anthony]

". . . The presumption of innocence does not and should not exist outside a courtroom. Think about it. For to us presume someone innocent is for to us presume the authorities got it wrong whenever they arrest someone. I’m not willing to assume that unless I’m a juror. It’s a legal fiction that was designed for the courtroom. Since the authorities have the power to take away someone’s freedom, we force them to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt and give the defendant the presumption of innocence. The deck is intentionally stacked against the government because they have that enormous power. . ."

I think I understand your post. Unless you are called as a witness, you do not believe that a person, who has been arrested, should be afforded the presumption. It only applies to the courtroom, correct? So therefore, the police can just go about arresting anyone they please and we are not to presume them innocent, unless we are called to the courtroom as jurors. The deck is stacked against the government only when they enter the courtroom and until then America is to be a police state, correct? I see why you say it is a legal fiction in your mind. In my mind, it is one of the paramount concepts that protect someone's life and liberty and media and public opinion should keep that in mind before convicting someone without one shred of evidence that has been tested in a court of law.

[Levi]

Getting away with murder
By Monica Crowley
--------------------

It was just a matter of time.

Today we were treated to the news that OJ Simpson is under investigation for allegedly breaking into a Vegas hotel room. He claims he was just trying to get back some sports memorabilia--and apparently the suit he wore when he was acquitted of double homicide--that he says belong to him.

The Vegas police have a different take. Based on eyewitness accounts, they say he forced his way into the room, flanked by five armed thugs, who forced the memorabilia dealer to hand over the stuff at gunpoint.

We don't know the facts of this case yet. But we do know this: somebody who killed two people is not someone who will feel a particular affinity for the law. He is also a classic narcissist who craves the spotlight.

For the rest of the post GO HERE: http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2007/09/getting-away-wi.html

[TobyTiger]

It will be interesting to see who comes forward to defend him. According to Fred Goldman, Simpson has plenty of money stashed away to pay an attorney.

I noticed that during his perp walk he was still playing OJ -- smiling and trying to look like he doesn't have a care in the world. I'm waiting for the OJ supporters give the usual excuse that he did it for his kids. LOL.
Regarding the money, should it surface, Goldman can attach it.

FNC just showed a video clip of OJ arriving at the Detention Facility...walking very slowly.

[Levi]

I think I understand your post. Unless you are called as a witness, you do not believe that a person, who has been arrested, should be afforded the presumption. It only applies to the courtroom, correct? So therefore, the police can just go about arresting anyone they please and we are not to presume them innocent, unless we are called to the courtroom as jurors. The deck is stacked against the government only when they enter the courtroom and until then America is to be a police state, correct? I see why you say it is a legal fiction in your mind. In my mind, it is one of the paramount concepts that protect someone's life and liberty and media and public opinion should keep that in mind before convicting someone without one shred of evidence that has been tested in a court of law.
The United States of America is a "police state" when we want to get scum bag sociopaths like Mr. If I Did It off the street?

And you are the one advocating the public not speak their minds on a criminal case in the news. And the we HAVE to presume them innocent. A little hypocritical IMO.

I don't need a jury to think for me and certainly not that group of idiots who let OJ off on double murder! :patriot:

[I'mSun]

Today is almost like Xmas!
The killer is in jail with some serious charges.
This has turned out to be a very good day, well maybe not for the killer but for those of us who have waited for over a decade to see this criminal back behind bars....:patriot: :beer: and:D
as for the comment about the 12 *****'s known as the jury in the simpson murder case......... ITA! 12 complete *****'s. No doubt about it.

IMOYou got it, Heyes! :beer: It is good to see OJ in cuffs again!

[William Anthony]

It kinda went out the window when the killer decided to open his big mouth....again, and admitted that this was his "own sting operation".

I still think that one must consider intent. If he only intended to identify and take back his property and call the police, I think it would be hard to prove intent. The question then becomes exactly what Simpson said and did. Those are facts that are yet to be determined. I found one discrepancy in Alexander's version. It was reported he said he called his wife and said Simpson told him that he had to make a stop to get back some of his property and this was the first he heard of it and that Simpson gave him up. However, it was reported his wife said there was a meeting about this a month ago in some part of the country (I forget where). Like anything else it comes down to credibility.

The other question is whether or not Simpson can get a fair trial.

[Levi]

You got it, Heyes! :beer: It is good to see OJ in cuffs again!
Them bad old Poe-Leece-Mens be trying to frame ole poor old O.J. again.
How they spect O.J. to find the real killer of Ron and Nicole iffin they keep hasslin him?
(Sarcastic)

[I'mSun]

O.J. Simpson, who was arrested Sunday, will be charged with robbery, assault, burglary and conspiracy in connection with an alleged robbery at a Las Vegas, Nevada, hotel, Las Vegas police announced.

More at www.cnn.com and foxnews.com

[SPAFS]

Fox news : waiting for the "Perp walk" lol
I am hoping this means he is being transfered to the jail.
Gotta love it!

Oh Glory Day!

Seeing handcuffs on Orenthal James Simpson~!

:beer:

[William Anthony]

The United States of America is a "police state" when we want to get scum bag sociopaths like Mr. If I Did It off the street?

And you are the one advocating the public not speak their minds on a criminal case in the news. And the we HAVE to presume them innocent. A little hypocritical IMO.

I don't need a jury to think for me and certainly not that group of idiots who let OJ off on double murder! :patriot:

I have no problem with the public speaking their minds so long as it is done legally. I found Kim Goldman's statement to be just that. It is obvious that she wants him found guilty but she was thoughtful enough to say that she hoped the evidence found him guilty.

What I am saying is that the public may want him to be found guilty but the media and the public who have already found him guilty do the judicial system an injustice and maybe the police state to which they desire will take away their life and liberty along with that freedom of speech that they flaunt so eagerly.

yes, that presumption of innocence should be adhered to and the prosecution made to meet its burden and not have the prosecution and the jurors swayed by public opinion and media.

[I'mSun]

Them bad old Poe-Leece-Mens be trying to frame ole poor old O.J. again.
How they spect O.J. to find the real killer of Ron and Nicole iffin they keep hasslin him?
(Sarcastic)Yep, po' ole OJ. He can't even rob people without the po-leece bothering him. :biggrin:

[Levi]

Interesting. You blame Simpson's behavior on the sophisticated criminal jury, who saw through the prosecution's sham of a case. I think the sophisticated jury asked how and when the blood got in the Bronco and expected proof beyond a reasonable doubt as to the answers to those questions. I do believe that the prediction of which you speak, was kept out of the trial as it was hearsay. I do not approve of his sting operation. I have however heard of a citizen's arrest. I do not know, if Simpson or those involved planned to arrest the individual(s) or not. Do you?
"Sophisticated jury" ha! You and that jury must be wearing tin foil hats! EVERYONE IT IS A CONSPIRACY TO GET OJ!!!! :chicken:

[Levi]

I have no problem with the public speaking their minds so long as it is done legally. I found Kim Goldman's statement to be just that. It is obvious that she wants him found guilty but she was thoughtful enough to say that she hoped the evidence found him guilty.

What I am saying is that the public may want him to be found guilty but the media and the public who have already found him guilty do the judicial system an injustice and maybe the police state to which they desire will take away their life and liberty along with that freedom of speech that they flaunt so eagerly.

yes, that presumption of innocence should be adhered to and the prosecution made to meet its burden and not have the prosecution and the jurors swayed by public opinion and media.
So it's fine to have the thought police and the speech police -- but not police that arrest criminals? ::rolls eyes::

[William Anthony]

"Sophisticated jury" ha! You and that jury must be wearing tin foil hats! EVERYONE IT IS A CONSPIRACY TO GET OJ!!!! :chicken:

I have never claimed it was a conspiracy or that everyone is out to get him. What I do say is that the jury was sophisticated enough to hold the prosecution to its burden and courageous enough to say the prosecution failed.

[Levi]

Yep, po' ole OJ. He can't even rob people without the po-leece bothering him. :biggrin:
Watch OJ and whoever his slick lawyer is put photos out in the media of bruises on his skin where the police beat him... Remember when Michael Jackson tried that and then the next day hoped on his SUV and started dancing to his nut case fans? :D

[I'mSun]

"Sophisticated jury" ha! You and that jury must be wearing tin foil hats! EVERYONE IT IS A CONSPIRACY TO GET OJ!!!! :chicken:These (http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/) seem to work the best. :D

[William Anthony]

So it's fine to have the thought police and the speech police -- but not police that arrest criminals? ::rolls eyes::

I have no idea of what you are trying to say. I said that people should speak their minds so long as it is done legally. You advocated for the police state and I simply warned of the outcomes, if you got your desire. I maintain that, because the police arrest someone, the media and the public should maintain the presumption, regardless of their personal feelings and there is a way to express that opinion without attempting to sway or infect others.

[William Anthony]

Watch OJ and whoever his slick lawyer is put photos out in the media of bruises on his skin where the police beat him... Remember when Michael Jackson tried that and then the next day hoped on his SUV and started dancing to his nut case fans? :D

Remember when the White woman drowned her children and blamed it own a Black man?

[I'mSun]

Watch OJ and whoever his slick lawyer is put photos out in the media of bruises on his skin where the police beat him... Remember when Michael Jackson tried that and then the next day hoped on his SUV and started dancing to his nut case fans? :DWhoever ends up representing OJ this time will be cringing over his remarks to the media earlier today. Seems OJ hasn't learned anything, or he continues to think he is above the law.
Oh, how I remember Michael Jackson on top of his SUV during the trial!

[I'mSun]

Remember when the White woman drowned her children and blamed it own a Black man?What does that have to do with OJ?

[William Anthony]

Yep, po' ole OJ. He can't even rob people without the po-leece bothering him. :biggrin:

Is this some type of hayseed farmer's ebonics?

[William Anthony]

What does that have to do with OJ?

About the same as Michael Jackson did.

[I'mSun]

Is this some type of hayseed farmer's ebonics?Nope. Just replying to a post.

[William Anthony]

Nope. Just replying to a post.

It was a dialect with which I was unfamliar and. since you responded to it in kind, I thought you may have some insight. I have not had the pleasure of meeting a hayseed farmer and did not know, if they used that dialect. I am sorry that you do not have the answer. With that I think I must retire for the evening. So, enjoy the rest of your posting.:seeya:

[I'mSun]

It was a dialect with which I was unfamliar and. since you responded to it in kind, I thought you may have some insight. I have not had the pleasure of meeting a hayseed farmer and did not know, if they used that dialect. I am sorry that you do not have the answer. With that I think I must retire for the evening. So, enjoy the rest of your posting.:seeya:Just playing around, actually, as was the other poster. No Ebonics, no nothing. Sometimes we just need to have fun and lighten up things. It's not even a real dialect as far as I know. I apologize if you thought there was more to it.
Enjoy the rest of the evening, and sleep well. Good night.

[missmarple]

Oh Glory Day!

Seeing handcuffs on Orenthal James Simpson~!

:beer:


Oh Glory Day is right!

One down - two to go!

:beer:

[I'mSun]

OJ will be charged with six counts of robbery, assault, burglary and conspiracy. IF he is convicted on all counts, OJ could face up to 100 years. He is in isolation because of his high profile status. They said something about it being premeditated and backed up by OJ's own admission of setting up "his own sting operation" but I couldn't hear all of it.

They keep showing OJ walking in handcuffs - it is almost as good as watching Scott Peterson bump his head getting into the police van that took him to San Quentin.

[I'mSun]

Here's OJ's new look:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/091607_OJ_Cuffs.jpg

[socaldiva]

Thanks for the sweet picture I'mSun. I heard this evening that his cell is 4x8. This is a dream come true, for as long as it lasts :biggrin:

[I'mSun]

Thanks for the sweet picture I'mSun. I heard this evening that his cell is 4x8. This is a dream come true, for as long as it lasts :biggrin:
My pleasure, socaldiva. That is a small cell, especially for someone the size of OJ. I like it! Oh, and the judge said, NO BAIL. :beer:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Today we were treated to the news that OJ Simpson is under investigation for allegedly breaking into a Vegas hotel room. He claims he was just trying to get back some sports memorabilia--and apparently the suit he wore when he was acquitted of double homicide--that he says belong to him.


Sports memorabilia that he might have been hiding from Fred Goldman when the Sheriff went to collect after the civil judgement.

I guess ole knucklehead Orenthal didn't realize it's a crime to use a gun to recoup items even if you own them, let alone you are hiding them from the court system. What a dope. He needs to go to jail just for being stupid. :D

[socaldiva]

My pleasure, socaldiva. That is a small cell, especially for someone the size of OJ. I like it! Oh, and the judge said, NO BAIL. :beer:

Yes, I just read that...NO BAIL. I love it! :patriot: :D

[Suzee10]

Oh well, I just could not pass this up. Where is simpson? Crossbar Hotel!!!!! Just where he should have been 13 years ago. Looks like the number 13 is an unlucky number for old simpson. Thirteen years and three months ago simpson committed a double murder and now here he is again committing another felony. Maybe this time the cops and DA will get it right and with luck maybe there will be a jury with some sense.

[Suzee10]

Yes, I just read that...NO BAIL. I love it! :patriot: :D


Hi Socaldiva,

You know the Goldmans are on cloud nine. They took his book and money away from him and now they are getting to see this. Of course the Browns have to get some satisfaction out of this but I know this is hurting them because this is the second time that we know of he has not considered the feelings of his children.

[Suzee10]

Regarding the money, should it surface, Goldman can attach it.

FNC just showed a video clip of OJ arriving at the Detention Facility...walking very slowly.


Yeah Tobytiger, old simpson wasn't strutting, joking and laughing this time.:D

[Suzee10]

Police arrest O.J. Simpson for robbery and other charges, NBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/


Hi fbgweezer,

Wonder how all of these ng's feel now after backing this double murder?

[Suzee10]

Today is almost like Xmas!
The killer is in jail with some serious charges.
This has turned out to be a very good day, well maybe not for the killer but for those of us who have waited for over a decade to see this criminal back behind bars....:patriot: :beer: and:D
as for the comment about the 12 *****'s known as the jury in the simpson murder case......... ITA! 12 complete *****'s. No doubt about it.

IMO


I agree Heyes, just like Christmas and this time there are witnesses and the idiot simpson opened his big mouth and said he organized "the sting", lmao. This guy is a total idiot.

[socaldiva]

Yeah Tobytiger, old simpson wasn't strutting, joking and laughing this time.:D


I think it's called Dumb Man Walking....:biggrin:

So good to see you Suzee! :seeya: Especially under such wonderful circumstances :D

[Suzee10]

I think it's called Dumb Man Walking....

So good to see you Suzee! Especially under such wonderful circumstances :D


Good to see you too Socaldiva. Yes this has been a very good day. Wonder what the ng's think about their hero now, lmao? :) I would be somewhere hiding!!! :chicken:

Yeah, Dumb Man Walking, now thats funny, lol. Actually it was more like dumb man dragging, lol. All day they were showing clips of simpson laughing and strutting around, but the last thing clip tonight old simpson was definatly not laughing and he was doing the "drag" not the "strut".

[martin II]

After everyone is finished blowing off steam and giving legal advice on the events, maby in a few days or two a factual account will emerge.

martin II

[socaldiva]

After everyone is finished blowing off steam and giving legal advice on the events, maby in a few days or two a factual account will emerge.

martin II

Who do you think is "blowing off steam"? The men that had the guns shoved in their faces & were threatened by Orenthal & his posse?

As for a "factual account", we already got that when Orenthal flapped his lips & told LE that he went there as a "sting operation". If you're not LE, I believe sting = ROBBERY.

[martin II]

Police did not allege that Simpson carried a weapon in the incident.

"We don't have any information to lead us to believe he was armed even based on those charges," Nichols said.

Police said they seized two firearms involved in the robbery along with sports memorabilia, mostly signed by Simpson. They also said they recovered collectible baseballs and Joe Montana cleats at private residences early Sunday after serving three search warrants.

Walter Alexander, 46, of Mesa, Ariz., was arrested Saturday night on two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit robbery and burglary with a deadly weapon. Alexander, who was described as one of Simpson's golfing buddies, was released without bail Saturday night.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2007/sep/17/091701658.html

[martin II]

there was a story someplace over the weekend where the AP retracted the
story of quoting oj on the "STING OPERATION" QUOTE where they removed the quotes from the remark. will see if i can find it.
martin II

[weezer]

I think I understand your post. Unless you are called as a witness, you do not believe that a person, who has been arrested, should be afforded the presumption. It only applies to the courtroom, correct? So therefore, the police can just go about arresting anyone they please and we are not to presume them innocent, unless we are called to the courtroom as jurors. The deck is stacked against the government only when they enter the courtroom and until then America is to be a police state, correct? I see why you say it is a legal fiction in your mind. In my mind, it is one of the paramount concepts that protect someone's life and liberty and media and public opinion should keep that in mind before convicting someone without one shred of evidence that has been tested in a court of law.

you didn't understand my post. The presumption of innocence is what happens in the courtroom -- not out on the street. Hence the jury selection process: "Can you put aside your feelings and judge the defendant fairly?" In the battle of white hats vs black hats, I go with the white hats. I give LE the benefit of the doubt -- not the person being charged. I don't know how you get 'police state' out of that. The courts protect the defendant's right. imo

[Levi]

It doesn't matter if OJ carried the gun, he was a mastermind and those other dirt bag, groupie thugs of his were going on his orders and they were loaded!

Only OJ would carry a group of armed, murderibillia thugs to a wedding? :rolleyes:

I can't wait for the second volume of "If I Did It" CHARILIE FRAMED ME! IT'S ALL CHARLIES FAULT. :rolleyes:

Oh god, we are going to have to listen to Jane Velez Mitchell say OJ WANTED to get caught because he feels sorry for the victims and he is driven by guilt. Sociopaths don't feel guilt sorry Jane.

[martin II]

Simpson said auction house owner Tom Riccio called him several weeks ago to say some collectors were selling some of his items. Riccio set up a meeting with collectors under the guise that he had a private collector interested in buying Simpson's items.

Simpson said he was accompanied by men he met at a wedding cocktail party, and they took the collectibles.

"It's like a bad dream," said Alfred Beardsley, one of the memorabilia collectors who was in the hotel room. "I'm sad that O.J. is in custody."

Beardsley said he blames the whole thing on Riccio, who he claims told Simpson that his property was in the room in Las Vegas.

"If they don't charge Riccio I will be very upset. That guy lied to O.J. and got him all pumped up," he said.

Beardsley said the people that should be blamed are Riccio and Mike Gilbert, the former Simpson agent who he alleged stole memorabilia from Simpson.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SIMPSON_QUESTIONED?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .Only OJ would carry a group of armed, murderibillia thugs to a wedding? :rolleyes:

now THAT's funny!

[martin II]

It doesn't matter if OJ carried the gun, he was a mastermind and those other dirt bag, groupie thugs of his were going on his orders and they were loaded!

Only OJ would carry a group of armed, murderibillia thugs to a wedding? :rolleyes:

I can't wait for the second volume of "If I Did It" CHARILIE FRAMED ME! IT'S ALL CHARLIES FAULT. :rolleyes:

Oh god, we are going to have to listen to Jane Velez Mitchell say OJ WANTED to get caught because he feels sorry for the victims and he is driven by guilt. Sociopaths don't feel guilt sorry Jane.

if that is your legal advice, so be it.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Without Bail! Hmmm......this is very interesting. Did anyone see the footage of when OJ was arrested? He was smiling and making it known that he had on cuffs. In his mug shot he is even smiling. He truly thinks that this was justified and he did nothing wrong. Just like everything else in his life. What's up with the weapons? He has to have a weapon to bully people around? Well, at least he didn't actually hold the weapon this time.

I bet they have video. I hope they have video. And, it looks like what he did take will go to the Goldman's/Nicole's trust. That is great! He tried to hide the stuff and it was taken from him. Now by him storming in with hench men with guns he has brought attention to the items for the victims to take possession of.

Why do I keep hearing Justin Timberlake singing in my head.... "what goes around, goes around, goes all the way back around". LOL

[weezer]

Simpson said auction house owner Tom Riccio called him several weeks ago to say some collectors were selling some of his items. Riccio set up a meeting with collectors under the guise that he had a private collector interested in buying Simpson's items.

Simpson said he was accompanied by men he met at a wedding cocktail party, and they took the collectibles.

"It's like a bad dream," said Alfred Beardsley, one of the memorabilia collectors who was in the hotel room. "I'm sad that O.J. is in custody."

Beardsley said he blames the whole thing on Riccio, who he claims told Simpson that his property was in the room in Las Vegas.

"If they don't charge Riccio I will be very upset. That guy lied to O.J. and got him all pumped up," he said.

Beardsley said the people that should be blamed are Riccio and Mike Gilbert, the former Simpson agent who he alleged stole memorabilia from Simpson.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SIMPSON_QUESTIONED?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

you don't suppose this is some of the same 'bad' people orenthal claimed Nicole was hanging out with do you? maybe he was just 'looking' for the 'real' killer --- :rolleyes: None of these guys sound very reputable but even their reputations fall far behind orenthal's -- because we KNOW what he's capable of.

I thought it interesting when the guy was describing how orenthal was ranting and raving and the look on orenthal's face. Sure reminded me of Nicole writing/talking about how orenthal looked when he was abusing her.

The reports are that orenthal and his thugs were taking stuff that had never belonged to orenthal. Beardsley (sp) wife said that orenthal has more 'stuff' at her house. I'm waiting to see how much of the stuff recovered was listed to have been confiscated and auctioned -- should be very interesting.

imo

[martin II]

I saw that. Sounds like the jury of his peers has spoken and he's not the celebrity he thinks he is.

They're discussing possible bail now...and likely to be over $1 million if the judge grants it. The question would then be how would Simpson post it.


Toby Tiger.
Bail can be posted for him right? I don't believe It has to come from his pocket. Wonder if it will be $1,000,000 cash as you suggest or 10%? Have you been told what it will be?


martin II

[martin II]

you don't suppose this is some of the same 'bad' people orenthal claimed Nicole was hanging out with do you? maybe he was just 'looking' for the 'real' killer --- :rolleyes: None of these guys sound very reputable but even their reputations fall far behind orenthal's -- because we KNOW what he's capable of.

I thought it interesting when the guy was describing how orenthal was ranting and raving and the look on orenthal's face. Sure reminded me of Nicole writing/talking about how orenthal looked when he was abusing her.

The reports are that orenthal and his thugs were taking stuff that had never belonged to orenthal. Beardsley (sp) wife said that orenthal has more 'stuff' at her house. I'm waiting to see how much of the stuff recovered was listed to have been confiscated and auctioned -- should be very interesting.

imo

there are about 5-6 different stories from different people telling different stories. Maby soon some real story will emerge. But it is a serious situation
for all especially oj if the charges stick
martin II

[weezer]

there are about 5-6 different stories from different people telling different stories. Maby soon some real story will emerge. But it is a serious situation
for all especially oj if the charges stick
martin II

well the consistent story from orenthal is that he put together this 'sting'. In my book, his story comports to vigilante. And, IIRC, that's against the law -- most especially with deadly weapons.

imo

[martin II]

you didn't understand my post. The presumption of innocence is what happens in the courtroom -- not out on the street. Hence the jury selection process: "Can you put aside your feelings and judge the defendant fairly?" In the battle of white hats vs black hats, I go with the white hats. I give LE the benefit of the doubt -- not the person being charged. I don't know how you get 'police state' out of that. The courts protect the defendant's right. imo

did you get this idea from the u.s.constitution?

martin II

[weezer]

did you get this idea from the u.s.constitution?

martin II

this is a ignorant response to a serious discussion. imo

[tv]

there are about 5-6 different stories from different people telling different stories. Maby soon some real story will emerge. But it is a serious situation
for all especially oj if the charges stick
martin IIThere's a tape of OJ Simpson yelling when he entered the room. That's going to be hard to dispute. Also, if he's guilty of conspiracy it doesn't matter who carried the gun, he's still guilty of using a weapon.

[Heyes]

There's a tape of OJ Simpson yelling when he entered the room. That's going to be hard to dispute. Also, if he's guilty of conspiracy it doesn't matter who carried the gun, he's still guilty of using a weapon.

lol just heard the tape. Just heard no bail. Could this day get any better?
So I heard he had a girlfriend with him and she couldn't get back into their room due to the police investigation. Who is this chick? I hope she just goes home and forgets this creature. What was she thinking?

[merdrew]

My first thought was that if I were a NG (which I am not) I would feel completely betrayed by this latest development. People are out there defending him and he goes ahead and pulls something like this. If I were a NG I'd feel totally humiliated right now. But that's just me. Perhaps he's innocent of these charges and he'll be back on the street looking for the 'real' perpetrator on the golf course in no time.

[tv]

My first thought was that if I were a NG (which I am not) I would feel completely betrayed by this latest development. People are out there defending him and he goes ahead and pulls something like this. If I were a NG I'd feel totally humiliated right now. But that's just me. Perhaps he's innocent of these charges and he'll be back on the street looking for the 'real' perpetrator on the golf course in no time.merdrew, if anything, they are defending him more vigorously.

[WarmNCozy]

My first thought was that if I were a NG (which I am not) I would feel completely betrayed by this latest development. People are out there defending him and he goes ahead and pulls something like this. If I were a NG I'd feel totally humiliated right now. But that's just me. Perhaps he's innocent of these charges and he'll be back on the street looking for the 'real' perpetrator on the golf course in no time.

What is NG?

[weezer]

any thoughts on the 'tape' of the burglary?

[I'mSun]

What is NG?NG = Not Guilty

[socaldiva]

merdrew, if anything, they are defending him more vigorously.


I just heard on the local radio station about "2 black activists" that are complaining that OJ hasn't gotten bail & think it might have to do with him being black. They said they understand that he is a double murderer, but he should still get bail in this case :rolleyes:

[tv]

any thoughts on the 'tape' of the burglary?Besides the fact that it makes OJ Simpson look very guilty, I'm wondering why anyone taped it at all? Especially, one of the participants in the robbery?

[I'mSun]

Here's the link to the Clark County Detention Center, showing OJ's current status as an inmate. His ID# 02648927

http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/ccdcincustody/inCustodySearch.aspx

Just type in his name or ID#

[socaldiva]

Besides the fact that it makes OJ Simpson look very guilty, I'm wondering why anyone taped it at all? Especially, one of the participants in the robbery?

Wasn't the guy that taped it the same man that had the Anna Nicole footage for sale on EBay? Maybe he figured it would be worth money? Pretty stupid though.

[I'mSun]

I just heard on the local radio station about "2 black activists" that are complaining that OJ hasn't gotten bail & think it might have to do with him being black. They said they understand that he is a double murderer, but he should still get bail in this case :rolleyes:

Perhaps they consider him a flight risk. However, I think they have scheduled a hearing about it for tomorrow.

[socaldiva]

Perhaps they consider him a flight risk. However, I think they have scheduled a hearing about it for tomorrow.

Yes, I heard that the judge denied bail due to flight risk & the fact that he has no ties to Nevada. I also heard that he is now scheduled for a hearing on Wed. I'm just annoyed that some have the nerve to pull the race card again.

[tv]

Wasn't the guy that taped it the same man that had the Anna Nicole footage for sale on EBay? Maybe he figured it would be worth money? Pretty stupid though.I think that guy was involved but I'm not sure he's the one that did the taping. I thought that it was the Riccio guy. I'm a little confused about all the participants.

[socaldiva]

I think that guy was involved but I'm not sure he's the one that did the taping. I thought that it was the Riccio guy. I'm a little confused about all the participants.

Yes, Riccio is the one I'm thinking of with the Anna tape. But, I could be confused. lol.

[WarmNCozy]

NG = Not Guilty

Thank you!

[tv]

Yes, Riccio is the one I'm thinking of with the Anna tape. But, I could be confused. lol.It's easy to get all these shady characters mixed up. LOL.

[socaldiva]

It's easy to get all these shady characters mixed up. LOL.


It sure is! :D

[WarmNCozy]

Does anyone know who set up the meeting in the first place?

[weezer]

Besides the fact that it makes OJ Simpson look very guilty, I'm wondering why anyone taped it at all? Especially, one of the participants in the robbery?

is there an old addage that says, "There is no honor among thieves"?

[socaldiva]

Does anyone know who set up the meeting in the first place?

I believe I heard it was Riccio & Orenthal's idea.

[martin II]

I think that guy was involved but I'm not sure he's the one that did the taping. I thought that it was the Riccio guy. I'm a little confused about all the participants.

riccio set up the meeting, came to the lobby and escorted oj to the room and taped it.

another guy in the room, charged as oj . no bail .on his on OR. gone to Arizona.

martin II

[William Anthony]

you didn't understand my post. The presumption of innocence is what happens in the courtroom -- not out on the street. Hence the jury selection process: "Can you put aside your feelings and judge the defendant fairly?" In the battle of white hats vs black hats, I go with the white hats. I give LE the benefit of the doubt -- not the person being charged. I don't know how you get 'police state' out of that. The courts protect the defendant's right. imo

If you favor giving the police the benefit of the doubt over a person's freedom, then I think you are favoring the end result, which would be a police state, imho.

[martin II]

"Auctioneer Thomas Riccio told KVVU-TV in Las Vegas on Friday that he informed Simpson someone had called him about selling some of Simpson's belongings on consignment. Simpson told Riccio the items had been stolen, Riccio said.

Riccio, who TMZ.com says is the source of the profanity-laced recording, further told KVVU that Simpson entered the room while Riccio was being shown the items. Simpson did not break in, and there were no guns, Riccio said. "

[martin II]

If you favor giving the police the benefit of the doubt over a person's freedom, then I think you are favoring the end result, which would be a police state, imho.

i got the same thing from weezers post. "the police gets the benefit of the doubt."

martin II

[martin II]

The disgraced football great was busted a day after the arrest of golfing buddy Walter Alexander, 46, of Mesa, Ariz., who police say was armed when he accompanied Simpson in the Thursday-night holdup.

Walter is out with no bail OR

[martin II]

If you favor giving the police the benefit of the doubt over a person's freedom, then I think you are favoring the end result, which would be a police state, imho.

william
that is like saying john must be guilty otherwise the police would not have arrested him.
martinii

[weezer]

william
that is like saying john must be guilty otherwise the police would not have arrested him.
martinii

actually, it's like saying, "I trust the people hired to protect me and mine."

[martin II]

actually, it's like saying, "I trust the people hired to protect me and mine."

You statement makes no sense imo
i understand exactly what your position is.Your post says it loud and clear.

wonder what the situation would be if le made a error and picked up one of your friends or a family member.

martin II

[socaldiva]

riccio set up the meeting, came to the lobby and escorted oj to the room and taped it.

another guy in the room, charged as oj . no bail .on his on OR. gone to Arizona.

martin II

I'm sure Orenthal had knowledge of the impending robbery prior to entering the lobby ;)

Wrong on "gone to Arizona". His atty said he was enroute to Los Angeles to meet with him there.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
wonder what the situation would be if le made a error and picked up one of your friends or a family member.


They pick them up & talk to them, they don't flog them & dip them in oil. Such drama :tongue:

[socaldiva]

I saw that the question of the day on Fox News Channel was: "OJ Simpson, mentally ill or arrogant"? They were asking people to email their answer. He's such a laughingstock. :)

[I'mSun]

I saw that the question of the day on Fox News Channel was: "OJ Simpson, mentally ill or arrogant"? They were asking people to email their answer. He's such a laughingstock. :)Why does it have to be one or the other? :biggrin:

[Suzee10]

After everyone is finished blowing off steam and giving legal advice on the events, maby in a few days or two a factual account will emerge.

martin II


Blowing off steam, apparently you have not heard the tape of simpson screeching his head off in the room where he committed these crimes. It is an entirely different story this time. There are witnesses, simpson has already admitted he was there and now "the tape".:biggrin:

[Suzee10]

Why does it have to be one or the other? :biggrin:


Very good one!!!:beer:

[socaldiva]

Why does it have to be one or the other? :biggrin:

I'm with you on that one :D

[Suzee10]

I saw that the question of the day on Fox News Channel was: "OJ Simpson, mentally ill or arrogant"? They were asking people to email their answer. He's such a laughingstock. :)

He** he's both.

[WarmNCozy]

They pick them up & talk to them, they don't flog them & dip them in oil. Such drama :tongue:

I think on another board asking if OJ iwas stoned or just stupid, I think he mistrusted those going to the room with him. He didn't have a gun! How did he know THEY had a gun?

[Levi]

actually, it's like saying, "I trust the people hired to protect me and mine."
I do trust the police more than O.J. Simpson, the guy is still lying about not murdering his ex wife and her friend. So what makes people think he will tell the truth about ROBBERY? The guy has been lying for 13 yrs! So yeah I'm with you, I'll trust the police after O.J. I'm not going to buy into the tin foil crowd saying everywhere O.J. goes he is being followed and the police are after him!!! ::rolls eyes::

[Levi]

I saw that the question of the day on Fox News Channel was: "OJ Simpson, mentally ill or arrogant"? They were asking people to email their answer. He's such a laughingstock. :)
BOTH! I hope Goldman ends up with O.J.'s FL home by the time this is all over! What I bet is happening now is a bunch of pro murderer, anti victim, anti law enforcement, tin foil hat wearing, thug hugging losers will be writing O.J. in jail and he can still get others to do his bidding on all the murderbillia sites on the internet! :flamemad:

[socaldiva]

I think on another board asking if OJ iwas stoned or just stupid, I think he mistrusted those going to the room with him. He didn't have a gun! How did he know THEY had a gun?

Orenthal is always the victim for some. The law doesn't care if he knew they had a gun. He did nothing to stop it or report it. He is just as guilty as if he had the gun in his hand, that's my understanding ;)

[socaldiva]

BOTH! I hope Goldman ends up with O.J.'s FL home by the time this is all over! What I bet is happening now is a bunch of pro murderer, anti victim, anti law enforcement, tin foil hat wearing, thug hugging losers will be writing O.J. in jail and he can still get others to do his bidding on all the murderbillia sites on the internet! :flamemad:

Me too. My wish would be for Orenthal to have a public defender because he can't access his "money stash" & Fred ends up with the whole enchilada :biggrin:

[Suzee10]

Me too. My wish would be for Orenthal to have a public defender because he can't access his "money stash" & Fred ends up with the whole enchilada :biggrin:


Yes that would be fabulous, socaldiva, or when he tries to make bail Fred's attorney is there to grab it out of there hands.

[socaldiva]

Yes that would be fabulous, socaldiva, or when he tries to make bail Fred's attorney is there to grab it out of there hands.

Yes, I'd like to see the look on Orenthal's face :biggrin:

[Suzee10]

Yes, I'd like to see the look on Orenthal's face :biggrin:

Oh me too socaldiva, lmao.:beer:

[I'mSun]

Found this posted in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper:


Letter: Simpson's trials have mass appeal

Just think ... O. J. Simpson could be the first person to "star" in a "Trial of the Century" in two different centuries. :D

[socaldiva]

Found this posted in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper:


Letter: Simpson's trials have mass appeal

Just think ... O. J. Simpson could be the first person to "star" in a "Trial of the Century" in two different centuries. :D

First we had Downtown OJ, then OJ by the sea & now it looks like it's going to be desert OJ :D

[TobyTiger]

Yeah Tobytiger, old simpson wasn't strutting, joking and laughing this time.:D

There was a smirk in the booking photo however...

[TobyTiger]

Latest update...

POLICE INSIST OJ'S TREATMENT IS FAIR (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20819336/)

Updated: 8 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS - News conferences, a slew of felony charges, a perp walk in handcuffs and detention in a holding cell without bail — it’s clear authorities aren’t giving O.J. Simpson any celebrity breaks.

Police insist such treatment is prudent for a man whose name is synonymous with a slow-speed chase from officers in a white Ford Bronco. But legal experts are questioning if Simpson is being singled out for extra-tough prosecution in his suspected casino-hotel robbery as payback for his murder acquittal more than a decade ago.

“It is regrettable that America has not gotten over the O.J. Simpson criminal case,” said Carl Douglas, who was co-counsel with Johnnie L. Cochran in Simpson’s 1995 criminal trial.


“The fact that he is being held without bail seems unfair and over the top,” Douglas said. “O.J. has always been able to satisfy his obligations to the court. He cooperated with the authorities in this case. He is not a flight risk. And he certainly can’t hide anywhere.”

At least six plainclothes policemen, accompanied by a handful of hotel security guards, arrested Simpson on Sunday at The Palms casino-hotel. He was accused of leading an armed heist of sports memorabilia. Simpson said he was only reclaiming possessions that had been stolen.

“By our standard, there was no major show of force,” Sgt. John Loretto said.

Simpson was handcuffed and taken in a police vehicle to the Clark County Detention Center to be booked on six felonies, including two counts of robbery with use of a deadly weapon. If convicted of the charges, he could get up to 30 years in state prison on each robbery count alone.

Simpson became inmate number 2648927.

Held without bail
Justice of the Peace Douglas Smith, who made the decision to hold Simpson without bail, was “concerned about the flight factor” and because Simpson had no ties to the Las Vegas area, said Judge Nancy Oesterle, who addressed reporters on Monday.

Arraignment was set for Wednesday.

Police said they were giving Simpson no special treatment — other than keeping him separated from the rest of the general prison population for his own protection.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

Orenthal is always the victim for some. The law doesn't care if he knew they had a gun. He did nothing to stop it or report it. He is just as guilty as if he had the gun in his hand, that's my understanding ;)

Correct. He is being charged as a participant to an ARMED robbery, etc. It makes no difference in the eyes of the law if he was the one holding the gun or there with others. It was the intent of the parties involved to commit the crime of robbery, at the behest of Simpson.

[I'mSun]

Here's OJ's new room

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/ojcell.jpg

Gotta love it!

[Suzee10]

Uh oh, Gretta on Fox just got more of the tape. Bye, bye simpson. He just can't shut his big mouth.

[TobyTiger]

Here's OJ's new room

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/ojcell.jpg

Gotta love it!
Thanks for posting the photo.

Interesting....I had envisioned it 8' deep x 4' wide. Obviously not by the position of the bed.

:shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Uh oh, Gretta on Fox just got more of the tape. Bye, bye simpson. He just can't shut his big mouth.

I'll have to catch her next airing after football...so thanks for the heads up.

[socaldiva]

Here's OJ's new room

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/ojcell.jpg

Gotta love it!

I do love it! How will the narcissist survive without a mirror? :D

[Suzee10]

Here's OJ's new room

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/ojcell.jpg

Gotta love it!


Cool room I'mSun. It could use a bit more color. :D

[Suzee10]

I'm with you on that one :D


Greta just got more of the tape. Looks like old simpson was holding people hostage on top of everything else.

[Athena]

Does anyone not think this is "fishy" that Riccio is one that told Simpson about these dealers with the memorabilia, set the meeting up and then wore a hidden microphone and taped the whole thing? Then after taping it Riccio apparently got paid for this tape.

I don't think this is as clear and cut as it seems. Listening to Greta and Bill O'Reilly the robbery is the "cell phones" but when I listened to the tape and read the "transcript" it says "put the phones on the bed" and I didn't read/hear anything else that they actually removed the phones. This whole thing is bizarre and whoever he's talking to; obviously OJ feels betrayed by him thus the rage. :eek: JMO

TMZ released the entire tape.

Censored tape:

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1184526067

Uncensored tape: (No bleeps)

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/17/o-j-audio-uncensored/

[Suzee10]

There was a smirk in the booking photo however...


He probably smirks in his sleep, he always has a smirk on his face. This problem may wipe that smirk off his face for good. I am sure Fred Goldman has a bigger smirk, he took old simpson's book away from him, oh and his money.:beer:

[socaldiva]

He probably smirks in his sleep, he always has a smirk on his face. This problem may wipe that smirk off his face for good. I am sure Fred Goldman has a bigger smirk, he took old simpson's book away from him, oh and his money.:beer:

He can keep the smirk, as long as he's in prison & we don't have to see it :biggrin:

[Chocoholic]

Here's OJ's new room

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/ojcell.jpg

Gotta love it!

He'll have time to create a hanging for the wall that reads "Home Sweet Home" http://featheredfibers.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/doorwindow.jpg

That should really cheer up the place nicely.

[martin II]

weezeer

Giving le the benefit of the doubt and not the citizen is about what the German people did during world war II and we know what happened there.

I have no idea as to why you would prefer that system but your position may indicate why
you may believe le completely in the criminal trial.


martin II

[martin II]

Does anyone not think this is "fishy" that Riccio is one that told Simpson about these dealers with the memorabilia, set the meeting up and then wore a hidden microphone and taped the whole thing? Then after taping it Riccio apparently got paid for this tape.

I don't think this is as clear and cut as it seems. Listening to Greta and Bill O'Reilly the robbery is the "cell phones" but when I listened to the tape and read the "transcript" it says "put the phones on the bed" and I didn't read/hear anything else that they actually removed the phones. This whole thing is bizarre and whoever he's talking to; obviously OJ feels betrayed by him thus the rage. :eek: JMO

TMZ released the entire tape.

Censored tape:

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1184526067

Uncensored tape: (No bleeps)

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/17/o-j-audio-uncensored/

Why would Riccio tell oj about the goods. set up the meeting for him to get the stuff, tell oj was the stuff was and then sit there and tape all the conversations and then give it to TMZ or whoever he gave it to.

The language in the recording is kinda expected imo, in a situaton like this.
Sound like the phones were left on the bed.

who is this Mike Guy?

Walter Alexander is accused with same crimes as oj and had a gun IN THE ROOM.Yet he is out walking around giving interviews O.R. Oj had no gun and is in jail WITH NO BAIL. HHHMMMMM

MARTIN ii

[weezer]

The guy that taped the confrontation is in the memorabilia business -- I am not surprised that he would have figured a way to make money off the deal.

[tazzybaby]

Why would Riccio tell oj about the goods. set up the meeting for him to get the stuff, tell oj was the stuff was and then sit there and tape all the conversations and then give it to TMZ or whoever he gave it to.

The language in the recording is kinda expected imo, in a situaton like this.
Sound like the phones were left on the bed.

who is this Mike Guy?

Walter Alexander is accused with same crimes as oj and had a gun IN THE ROOM.Yet he is out walking around giving interviews O.R. Oj had no gun and is in jail WITH NO BAIL. HHHMMMMM

MARTIN ii


Hi Martin,

From what I understand Riccio taped it because he was on OJ's side. He didn't know that OJ was going to storm in with some thugs with guns. He figured it would help retreive OJ's stuff. imo

The language is totally different from the actions. OJ was demanding that no one leave the room. And, with guns pointed at them from the other thugs that are with OJ that is considered unlawful restraint. I'm not sure why exactly OJ thinks that he is above the law or can do what ever he thinks is appropriate by his standards and not by the law. The gun issue is what has him in serious trouble. Hopefully this will open his eyes and he will get some kind of help for his tremendous anger issues and distorted thinking. He is the only parent left of Sydney and Justin. They shouldn't have to deal with this type of drama on a continuing basis. I hope for their sake that everyone will quit trying to defend his actions no matter what he does and he gets help.

This whole situation has very tell-tale signs. He lied and said there were no guns. He seems to think he is justified. He has anger control issues. He blames everyone else for his actions. He is blaming the PD for his actions. Just like he blamed (and still does) Nicole for everything. He lied under oath at the civil trial and he has done that here also (just not under oath yet). To cover his @ss. OJ has hid assets to prevent the Goldman's from getting them. That's the same thing as stealing. How would everyone who is defending OJ be reacting if the Goldman's stormed in with guns drawn and took the goods that rightfully, by law, belong to them?

OJ is a flight risk. Don't you remember him leaving instead of turning himself in as promised before the criminal trial. Most everyone does remember that. Why would they just automatically let him go? He doesn't even have ties to Las Vegas. They have done the very right thing in this situation.