O.J. In The News Again

[socaldiva]

*snip*Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin II

Making money for your family doesn't make up for being an abuser ;)

[tv]

it is in response to you indicating that it was only oj that was doing the cheating. I was reading the paper and saw this large article with big bold headlines. it could not be missed.
Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin IIIt doesn't matter what she did or did not do. Nothing she did made it okay to murder her.

[socaldiva]

it is in response to you indicating that it was only oj that was doing the cheating. I was reading the paper and saw this large article with big bold headlines. it could not be missed.
Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin II

It doesn't matter what she did or did not do. Nothing she did made it okay to murder her.

Exactly! That's the bottom line.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
NICOLE TRIED CHEATING ON O.J.September 22, 2007 -- JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome.


EWWWW....looks to me like maby Orenthal had the warmies for James. :eek:

Most men would chose a woman for a threesome :biggrin:

[tv]

it is in response to you indicating that it was only oj that was doing the cheating. I was reading the paper and saw this large article with big bold headlines. it could not be missed.
Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin III don't recall posting that Simpson was the only one cheating even though I think he did a lot more of it than she did. A friend confronted him once and asked him why he was cheating on Nicole. His response was "You don't know what it's like to be OJ".

[martin II]

It doesn't matter what she did or did not do. Nothing she did made it okay to murder her.

who said he murdered her? you??????

[tv]

EWWWW....looks to me like maby Orenthal had the warmies for James. :eek:

Most men would chose a woman for a threesome :biggrin:LOL...thanks diva. :D

[martin II]

It doesn't matter what she did or did not do. Nothing she did made it okay to murder her.

So her behavior is acceptable to you. I assume.

martin II

[tv]

who said he murdered her? you??????Gee, martin, you've never heard that before? Where ya been?

[socaldiva]

If he didn't murder her, why on earth would he feel the need to trash her? Especially in light of the fact that they have 2 children together. An innocent man wouldn't need or want to do that. imo

[socaldiva]

So her behavior is acceptable to you. I assume.

martin II

Now your attempting to turn this on a poster? :punch: :no:

[tv]

So her behavior is acceptable to you. I assume.

martin IIWe're not here to discuss Nicole's behavior. The name of this thread is OJ in the News Again. Nicole's behavior didn't get him in the news. He did that to himself. Be careful what you assume...you know what they say about assuming.

[socaldiva]

LOL...thanks diva. :D

My pleasure :patriot:

[weezer]

sorry. see site address at end of article.
it is working for me.

james woods popular actor.

NICOLE TRIED CHEATING ON O.J.September 22, 2007 -- JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome.

The skirt-chasing "Shark" star told Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show" he started getting weird vibes from the couple when Simpson invited him to dinner years before Nicole was savagely murdered.

As they sat in a fancy restaurant in Palm Springs and Simpson got into a conversation with Nicole's sister Denise Brown, Nicole began eyeing Woods. "[She was] this curvy, gorgeous blonde . . . and she starts talking to me, and everything is about how she is really not happy with her marriage. I'm going through a divorce at the time, and I'm taking the bait. I guess I'm kind of being set up," Woods recalled.

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."

Meanwhile, Simpson's recent armed robbery bust in Las Vegas has revealed the extent of the business that has developed over his signed sports memorabilia. While O.J. claims he was simply re-taking possession of collectibles that were rightfully his, the hotel room confrontation sounds more like a scene from "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre," the classic tale of gold and greed consuming partners who end up killing each other.

Celia Farber, who wrote about "O.J. Incorporated" for Rolling Stone in 2000, reports Simpson had been selling his signature through agent Mike Gilbert since 1989, but the market really took off five years later after the double murder of Nicole and Ron Goldman, when Simpson's autograph quadrupled in value.

Gilbert would sneak items into the courthouse, past the media hordes outside. "We just kept signing . . . for the entire 16 months that O.J. was incarcerated . . . while they were delivering the verdict, we were still signing," Gilbert told Farber.

www.nypost.com

go to "page six" section top see his picture

lol -- I like james woods as an actor and I really admire him being able to cast himself as the good guy since you didn't post that he says anything ever happened.

Okay, so he says he thought 'they' were maybe setting him up for a 'threesome' -- hmmmm -- and then he says it didn't happen. I'm not sure how you made the leap to orenthal wasn't the only one cheating.

Gilbert was on tv the other night talking about orenthal and the memorabilia business they conducted. I think he will turn out to be the most interesting information on/about orenthal out of the whole group when all is said. imo

[martin II]

LOL...thanks diva. :D

But it was not Oj that wrote the note asking james for anything.James did say who was giving him the eyes. right.
martin II

[socaldiva]

But it was not Oj that wrote the note asking james for anything.James did say who was giving him the eyes. right.
martin II

You should know by now that Orenthal doesn't do anything himself. ;)

ETA: except murder. He did that alone.

I don't think Orenthal is capable of writing a decent note. Ever read the stuff he writes himself? :D

[tv]

If he didn't murder her, why on earth would he feel the need to trash her? Especially in light of the fact that they have 2 children together. An innocent man wouldn't need or want to do that. imoMaking her into a bad person probably makes him feel more justified in killing her. I'm sure he's found ways to rationalize what he did.

[socaldiva]

Making her into a bad person probably makes him feel more justified in killing her. I'm sure he's found ways to rationalize what he did.

I think you're right. I'm sure he blames her for making him kill her. :(

[martin II]

lol -- I like james woods as an actor and I really admire him being able to cast himself as the good guy since you didn't post that he says anything ever happened.

Okay, so he says he thought 'they' were maybe setting him up for a 'threesome' -- hmmmm -- and then he says it didn't happen. I'm not sure how you made the leap to orenthal wasn't the only one cheating.

Gilbert was on tv the other night talking about orenthal and the memorabilia business they conducted. I think he will turn out to be the most interesting of the whole group when all is said AND he wasn't even in Vegas for the armed robbery. imo

weezer
Nothing hapened because Jamed Wood did not accept Nicole request.
Why did she say "oj is out of town we should get togeather"
It is what it is.

hahaha
martin II

[weezer]

EWWWW....looks to me like maby Orenthal had the warmies for James. :eek:

Most men would chose a woman for a threesome :biggrin:

LOL -- perfect! it brought to mind the saying: that little acorn didn't fall far from the tree. :eek: :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

weezer
Nothing hapened because Jamed Wood did not accept Nicole request.
Why did she say "oj is out of town we should get togeather"
It is what it is.

hahaha
martin II


You believe only the part you want to believe. You believe Nicole asked him for a get together, but you don't believe him when he says Orenthal seems to have wanted a threesome.

hahahahhaa

[martin II]

lol -- I like james woods as an actor and I really admire him being able to cast himself as the good guy since you didn't post that he says anything ever happened.

Okay, so he says he thought 'they' were maybe setting him up for a 'threesome' -- hmmmm -- and then he says it didn't happen. I'm not sure how you made the leap to orenthal wasn't the only one cheating.

Gilbert was on tv the other night talking about orenthal and the memorabilia business they conducted. I think he will turn out to be the most interesting information on/about orenthal out of the whole group when all is said. imo

Actually all James said was 'this is imposible" i assume he meant that he did not want to 'get togeather' with nicole.

martin II

[tv]

weezer
Nothing hapened because Jamed Wood did not accept Nicole request.
Why did she say "oj is out of town we should get togeather"
It is what it is.

hahaha
martin IIAll we have is James Wood's story. Nicole isn't here to say if it's true or not.

[weezer]

Actually all James said was 'this is imposible" i assume he meant that he did not want to 'get togeather' with nicole.

martin II

he didn't happen to mention is he and orenthal had any contact did he? just curious.

[martin II]

All we have is James Wood's story. Nicole isn't here to say if it's true or not.

wezer
do you remember Coras testimony where this guy saw her in some resturant
and told her that Nicole had hit on him for a threesom and he was surprised. It was posted before but i don't remember his name. I think you would remember her testimony to this.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

he didn't happen to mention is he and orenthal had any contact did he? just curious.

According to Nicole oj was out of town when she decided to make her move.

martin II

[martin II]

he didn't happen to mention is he and orenthal had any contact did he? just curious.

why ask me that question. Everything james wood had to say he said in the article.
martinii

[weezer]

james woods. Didn't he date his best friends 19 year old daughter? And he knew her since she was like 5. class

why in the world would he bring something like this up now? geez -- he really made himself look like a 15 minute wannabe or maybe his career needs help? imo

[weezer]

According to Nicole oj was out of town when she decided to make her move.

martin II

LOL -- I'm sure you meant to say 'according to woods' --

[weezer]

wezer
do you remember Coras testimony where this guy saw her in some resturant
and told her that Nicole had hit on him for a threesom and he was surprised. It was posted before but i don't remember his name. I think you would remember her testimony to this.

imo
martin II

no, I don't remember cora's testimony on that. I do, however, remember her saying that the only person Nicole was afraid of at the end of her life was orenthal james simpson.

[tv]

james woods. Didn't he date his best friends 19 year old daughter? And he knew her since she was like 5. class

why in the world would he bring something like this up now? geez -- he really made himself look like a 15 minute wannabe or maybe his career needs help? imoI like James Wood as an actor but you may be right about him. He seems to have close contact with newsmaking events according to him. Remember when he said he saw the 911 hijackers doing a practice run?

[weezer]

I like James Wood as an actor but you may be right about him. He seems to have close contact with newsmaking events according to him. Remember when he said he saw the 911 hijackers doing a practice run?

I'm hearing the theme from 'Twilight Zone' again --- :eek:

[tv]

I'm hearing the theme from 'Twilight Zone' again --- :eek:We seem to be hearing that a lot these days. :tongue:

[martin II]

no, I don't remember cora's testimony on that. I do, however, remember her saying that the only person Nicole was afraid of at the end of her life was orenthal james simpson.

i found it and can post it if you need to hear it again.

martin II

[martin II]

LOL -- I'm sure you meant to say 'according to woods' --

woods said nicoile wrote that oj was out of town and they should get togeather. Look, you can do a hatchet job on Woods if you like but several million people have read this article now so the cat is already out of the bag.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
several million people have read this article now so the cat is already out of the bag.

martin II

Yep, the cat's out of the bag. Simpson seemed interested in a three way with Woods. :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

Hello, William. I said confident not overconfident. :) Is it your opinion that he should have bench trial?

No, no no, that is not my opinion, :). I think he will never get a fair trial and I am sorry to say that this is probably due to his conduct, the media's and public opinion's bias. I think the opinions on this board say that the presumption of guilt is already at work.

[weezer]

woods said nicoile wrote that oj was out of town and they should get togeather. Look, you can do a hatchet job on Woods if you like but several million people have read this article now so the cat is already out of the bag.

martin II

will you stop at nothing in your defense of orenthal? I doubt that anyone but you and yours are taking what woods said as anything more than gossip.

BTW, it isn't a hatchet job on woods --

WOODS FALLS FOR GOLF PAL'S LITTLE GIRL

Movie star JAMES WOODS has a new young lover, who he first met when she was in elementary school. The twice-married actor's current girlfriend is 19-year-old ASHLEY MYRICK - the daughter of Woods' longtime golf buddy JOHN MYRICK, who has reportedly given the union his blessing. At 58, Woods is almost 40 years older than his girlfriend, but he insists they're the perfect couple, and is planning to buy a Hollywood home for the pair to live in. He says, "Ashley is astonishingly gorgeous - the funniest person I've ever met in my life. She has it all - beauty, brains and charm... We play poker. We go to karaoke."http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/woods%20falls%20for%20golf%20pals%20little%20girl_ 02_03_2006

03/03/06
James Woods, 58, Dates Pal's Teenage Daughter
James Woods has a new young lover, who he first met when she was in elementary school. The twice-married actor's current girlfriend is 19-year-old Ashley Myrick - the daughter of Woods' longtime golf buddy John Myrick, who has reportedly given the union his blessing.

At 58, Woods is almost 40 years older than his girlfriend, but he insists they're the perfect couple, and is planning to buy a Hollywood home for the pair to live in. He says, "Ashley is astonishingly gorgeous - the funniest person I've ever met in my life. She has it all - beauty, brains and charm... We play poker. We go to karaoke." http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/03/03/james_woods_58_dates_pal_s_teenage_daugh

maybe it has something to do with golf? :confused: :D :tongue:

[TobyTiger]

It is better that you respond.
phil spector is a big time famous music celebrity. Big house, Lots of money. kown for partying with young pretty women. He came home with one and he is accused to putting a gun in her mouth and pulling the trigger. For her maby more terrifying a death than Nicoles.

The differance is that in the oj case it was a black guy accused of killing a blond blue eyed white girl. That was not acceptable. Spectors case was white on white.
The media decided that the case that involved race could be sold to the public for interestr and more money.imo
Look at how after 12 years everyone is comming out of the woodwork
to be involved in a simple what is called armed robery in Los Vegas no less.

The media is driving the case.
MARTIN ii
I totally agree with your assessment of the media. Spector, being somewhat past his prime in the entertainment industry isn't going to garner the ratings as much as showing OJ in the news again or the likes (repeatedly, ad nauseum) of Spears, Lohan, Hilton, etc. Race was injected into OJ's criminal trial by his defense and stuck...through the jury verdict.

[socaldiva]

"When Woods heard about the publication's planned Young interview he fired off a series of angry emails to editors, claiming the actress perpetrated a "jihad of terror" against him and threatening to sue the magazine"

A jihad of terror? Gawd.



http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/young%20revisits%2020-year-old%20james%20woods%20harassment%20controversy_104 3804

[weezer]

i found it and can post it if you need to hear it again.

martin II

only if it's this cora fishman:

"10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats

NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.
Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.
Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."
Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/nns098.htm

emphasis mine

[martin II]

only if it's this cora fishman:

"10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats

NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.
Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.
Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."
Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/nns098.htm

emphasis mine



i am sure you realize that this does not change the content of Nicoles request to James Wood.

martin II

[martin II]

I totally agree with your assessment of the media. Spector, being somewhat past his prime in the entertainment industry isn't going to garner the ratings as much as showing OJ in the news again or the likes (repeatedly, ad nauseum) of Spears, Lohan, Hilton, etc. Race was injected into OJ's criminal trial by his defense and stuck...through the jury verdict.

some believe that when C darden was added to the prosecution table it was a cheap attempt to show the jury they were not r***** and that was the first injection of race into the trial.(other than what the media had done)

martin II

[martin II]

i believe that the defense did a great job of creating reasonable doubt on the prosecutions major issues and the jury, by law, voted Not guilty.

martin II

[martin II]

I totally agree with your assessment of the media. Spector, being somewhat past his prime in the entertainment industry isn't going to garner the ratings as much as showing OJ in the news again or the likes (repeatedly, ad nauseum) of Spears, Lohan, Hilton, etc. Race was injected into OJ's criminal trial by his defense and stuck...through the jury verdict.

i believe the media creates public interest and therefore ratings. Not the other way around.

martin II

[socaldiva]

i am sure you realize that this does not change the content of Nicoles request to James Wood.

martin II

You bring up Cora & this is all you have to say about the negative things she had to say about Simpson? That's funny.

[Levi]

i believe that the defense did a great job of creating reasonable doubt on the prosecutions major issues and the jury, by law, voted Not guilty.

martin II
They might have created doubt by throwing a bunch of BS out there to distract the jury from the forensic evidence, but they were missing a key element: REASONABLE. The doubt wasn't reasonable.

And the jury was a bunch of freaks. Nancy Grace wrote in her book "Objection" that she did a TV show debating the verdict with some of them and one of them came up to her after the show and said this trial is the "best thing that ever happened to me." What a dirt bag. How is a murder case a good thing? :cuss:

[martin II]

They might have created doubt by throwing a bunch of BS out there to distract the jury from the forensic evidence, but they were missing a key element: REASONABLE. The doubt wasn't reasonable.

And the jury was a bunch of freaks. Nancy Grace wrote in her book "Objection" that she did a TV show debating the verdict with some of them and one of them came up to her after the show and said this trial is the "best thing that ever happened to me." What a dirt bag. How is a murder case a good thing? :cuss:

we all know about ng


Everyone is guilty before , during and after the trial. Everyone.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*And the jury was a bunch of freaks. Nancy Grace wrote in her book "Objection" that she did a TV show debating the verdict with some of them and one of them came up to her after the show and said this trial is the "best thing that ever happened to me." What a dirt bag. How is a murder case a good thing? :cuss:

The best thing to have happened to them? How despicable. A bunch of freaks is right. :flamemad:

[socaldiva]

we all know about ng


Everyone is guilty before , during and after the trial. Everyone.
martin II

This is your reponse to what a juror said? Geesh.

[martin II]

No, no no, that is not my opinion, :). I think he will never get a fair trial and I am sorry to say that this is probably due to his conduct, the media's and public opinion's bias. I think the opinions on this board say that the presumption of guilt is already at work.

thanks for that.:beer: :beer: :beer:
martin II

[weezer]

"Originally Posted by William Anthony
No, no no, that is not my opinion, . I think he will never get a fair trial and I am sorry to say that this is probably due to his conduct, the media's and public opinion's bias. I think the opinions on this board say that the presumption of guilt is already at work."

thanks for that.:beer: :beer: :beer:
martin II

makes one wonder why he wasn't found guilty in his road rage trial doesn't it? poor, old orenthal -- can't catch a break. imo

[weezer]

i am sure you realize that this does not change the content of Nicoles request to James Wood.

martin II

I don't know about that -- it does call into question woods' credibility and veracity don't you think? And, martin, at this point, it's an alledged request. imo

[Levi]

we all know about ng


Everyone is guilty before , during and after the trial. Everyone.
martin II
Again you are trying to avoid the issue at hand. You bring the Iraq war into this and now you are going to bash Nancy Grace. I was talking about a juror who said that this case is the "best thing that ever happened to me."

Try to stay on task. I know it is hard when you are in the position of defending a murderer.

[martin II]

Again you are trying to avoid the issue at hand. You bring the Iraq war into this and now you are going to bash Nancy Grace. I was talking about a juror who said that this case is the "best thing that ever happened to me."

Try to stay on task. I know it is hard when you are in the position of defending a murderer.

You are the one that brought ng into the discussions. Why i don't know , but you did.
martin II

[martin II]

I don't know about that -- it does call into question woods' credibility and veracity don't you think? And, martin, at this point, it's an alledged request. imo

I believe it.

martin II

[weezer]

You are the one that brought ng into the discussions. Why i don't know , but you did.
martin II

in your hurry to bash NG, you must not have read the post -- what's up with that? :shrug:

[Levi]

What are you smoking Martin? I was talking about a JUROR.

[Levi]

in your hurry to bash NG, you must not have read the post -- what's up with that? :shrug:
Nancy strikes a cord with people who defend murderers.

[weezer]

I believe it.

martin II

LOL -- so you believe orenthal wanted james woods? :eek:

[pearyb]

Yep, the cat's out of the bag. Simpson seemed interested in a three way with Woods. :biggrin:
I don't know that the boomer generation has gone through the roof, but some have gone around the bend.

[pearyb]

I totally agree with your assessment of the media. Spector, being somewhat past his prime in the entertainment industry isn't going to garner the ratings as much as showing OJ in the news again or the likes (repeatedly, ad nauseum) of Spears, Lohan, Hilton, etc. Race was injected into OJ's criminal trial by his defense and stuck...through the jury verdict.

Very good point, and an unboring event they've built up I must add. I like it, who knows what else this event will expose.

[Dixiechic]

Are you kidding?
People are killed by all kinds of means every day in every state.

well since you bring it up , both were reported to have used drugs and we know both were very busy with other partners.

would you have any comment as to why the Phil Spectror case as horrible as it was, did not get the media coverage 24/7 as the oj criminal trial did.
IMO
MARTIN ii


Because everyone liked OJ and thought he was a great guy until he murdered two people in front of his children. Spector is a kook and no one even wants to look at him.

[socaldiva]

I don't know that the boomer generation has gone through the roof, but some have gone around the bend.

It was Martin's link. I don't know how it is that you claim to know he's a boomer :shrug:

[socaldiva]

Because everyone liked OJ and thought he was a great guy until he murdered two people in front of his children. Spector is a kook and no one even wants to look at him.

I agree. Same thing with Robert Blake. He's never really been a like-able person & always seemed to have problems, so it wasn't terribly shocking to see him go down. JMO

[Dixiechic]

it is in response to you indicating that it was only oj that was doing the cheating. I was reading the paper and saw this large article with big bold headlines. it could not be missed.
Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin II

OJ would s---- a snake if someone would hold it. Even if Nicole did play around it is no reason to kill her.

[socaldiva]

OJ would s---- a snake if someone would hold it. Even if Nicole did play around it is no reason to kill her.


Isn't that the truth? Especially considering they were divorced. I've never heard a reputable source claim that Nicole cheated while the marriage was still intact, yet Orenthal cheated around plenty for the entire marriage it would seem.

[martin II]

LOL -- so you believe orenthal wanted james woods? :eek:

as usual you are trying to change the focus of James Woods interview.
It was about Nicole asking him to get togeather with her. not oj.
Nicole wa gicving him GOOGLE eyey. and then wrote him a note saying oj was out of town ans he should get togeather with her. That speaks to he intantions. Had nothing to do with oj other than he was out of town and would not have known what Nicole was doing.

Martinii

[socaldiva]

*snip*as usual you are trying to change the focus of James Woods interview.
It was about Nicole asking him to get togeather with her. not oj.


As usual, you are trying to only pick out the parts you like & avoid the rest.
It wasn't only about Nicole. It also mentioned that Mr Woods thought Orenthal wanted a threeway with him. ;)

[socaldiva]

More bad behavior from Simpson. This link says he threatened a handyman 6 weeks ago that he accused of having sex with Prody:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/23/o-j-to-handyman-im-going-to-f-ing-kill-you/

[TobyTiger]

More bad behavior from Simpson. This link says he threatened a handyman 6 weeks ago that he accused of having sex with Prody:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/23/o-j-to-handyman-im-going-to-f-ing-kill-you/
I'm not surprised.

Gonzalez is lucky that OJ didn't follow through with the death threat...yet.

[tv]

More bad behavior from Simpson. This link says he threatened a handyman 6 weeks ago that he accused of having sex with Prody:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/23/o-j-to-handyman-im-going-to-f-ing-kill-you/If you belive your girlfriend is having sex with the handyman why don't you just say goodbye to the girlfriend? Everything is over the top drama with OJ Simpson.

[tv]

No, no no, that is not my opinion, :). I think he will never get a fair trial and I am sorry to say that this is probably due to his conduct, the media's and public opinion's bias. I think the opinions on this board say that the presumption of guilt is already at work.William, I think there are people out there that can believe OJS is guilty of murder but still render a fair verdict in this case. Also, thank you for including his conduct in the reasons you think he can't get a fair trial rather than just saying that white people are out to get him. He does himself no favors with this self-destructive behavior. :)

[socaldiva]

If you belive your girlfriend is having sex with the handyman why don't you just say goodbye to the girlfriend? Everything is over the top drama with OJ Simpson.

No kidding. And if you're innocent wouldn't you dump her when she goes to the Enquirer to say you've confessed a double murder to her?

[Suzee10]

[QUOTE=martin II;8994778]"Nicole Tried to cheat on oj"

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."





And? We only have his word for this. Unfortunatly Nicole is dead cannot speak for herself. This is like simpson saying she was really into drugs but her autopsy showed different.

[Suzee10]

I want you to know that I spent several minutes trying to figure out who 'tapers' was!! ROFLMAO




That sounds like something I would do fbgweezer, lol.

[Suzee10]

OMG! I think this is my favorite post of the month. I hadn't thought of it like that, but it's true & it's hysterical. :biggrin:



This was good socaldiva, I agree, lol. :beer:

[Suzee10]

My question is, why did simpson not call the police? Next, if all of these people are convicted felons and if simpson is this great upstanding guy why does he associate with these people? I can answer both. He did not want the police called. He said in his own words he set up this" sting". simpson is as bad as they come. He has been breaking the law all of his life and has gotten away with even murder. He thinks he is above the law and up until now he has been. He associates with these people because he is a criminal himself. He could not do illlegal things like the off shore accounts, hiding things from the Browns and Goldmans and ripping off Direct Tv. A thief is a thief.

[Suzee10]

Orenthal called the police on Prody, wanting to get her into rehab & then later says it wasn't about him or his girlfriend & she claims the same :confused: (old news, but the video report is from today)

Looks like Prody doesn't believe in his innocence either. I wonder how the poor girl sleeps at night :(

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=4182012&ch=49799&src=news


This girl needs help in the worst kind of way. I know I would not sleep well at night knowing I was sleeping beside a double murderer. Where is her family, mom and dad? If this had been me my dad, mom and other family members they would have been all over this situation.

[William Anthony]

William, I think there are people out there that can believe OJS is guilty of murder but still render a fair verdict in this case. Also, thank you for including his conduct in the reasons you think he can't get a fair trial rather than just saying that white people are out to get him. He does himself no favors with this self-destructive behavior. :)

I think that the statements of the civil jury after the political production speaks volumes as to people's ability to distinquish one trial from another, which is why I say that it will be difficult, if not impossible for Simpson to receive a fair trial. I readily admit that his conduct does not serve him well. I do not know how you get that I mean White people are out to get him, unless you equate that with my use of the term, MOST OF AMERICA. IIRC, Martin has posted the percentages of Blacks and Whites that thougt Simpson was a murder. Those Blacks would be included in my statemets that MOST OF AMERICA thought Simpson was guilty after the criminal trial. I will admit that the percentages Martin posted showed that the vast majority of those Whites interviewed thought Simpson was guilty. I think that people would like to be able to think they could distinquish one trial from another. However, due to his conduct and media's and public opinion's bias, I do believe that MOST OF AMERICA have already convicted him.

[tv]

I think that the statements of the civil jury after the political production speaks volumes as to people's ability to distinquish one trial from another, which is why I say that it will be difficult, if not impossible for Simpson to receive a fair trial. I readily admit that his conduct does not serve him well. I do not know how you get that I mean White people are out to get him, unless you equate that with my use of the term, MOST OF AMERICA. IIRC, Martin has posted the percentages of Blacks and Whites that thougt Simpson was a murder. Those Blacks would be included in my statemets that MOST OF AMERICA thought Simpson was guilty after the criminal trial. I will admit that the percentages Martin posted showed that the vast majority of those Whites interviewed thought Simpson was guilty. I think that people would like to be able to think they could distinquish one trial from another. However, due to his conduct and media's and public opinion's bias, I do believe that MOST OF AMERICA have already convicted him.William, I didn't mean that YOU thought white people were out to get him. I meant it was refreshing to see someone state that there are factors other than race contributing to his problems. I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer. My bad. :o

[pearyb]

Isn't that the truth? Especially considering they were divorced. I've never heard a reputable source claim that Nicole cheated while the marriage was still intact, yet Orenthal cheated around plenty for the entire marriage it would seem.
Actually time of legal marriage is very short, although were together better than a decade. Lots of people here feel he is guilty. I've got a real problem with the time frame, it really doesn't fit well. Common sense says he did it, and the same common sense should know the time frame is not only tight but odd.

[bobaugust]

Actually time of legal marriage is very short, although were together better than a decade. Lots of people here feel he is guilty. I've got a real problem with the time frame, it really doesn't fit well. Common sense says he did it, and the same common sense should know the time frame is not only tight but odd.

pearyb, to understand the time line you have to understand that estimated times are not real times. It's the order that witnessed events happened in that tell us what Simpson did that night not estimated times. The only real times are times that are supported by telephone records. Common sense does tell us he did it and common sense also tells us when he did it. What do you find odd about the time line?

bobaugust

[martin II]

My question is, why did simpson not call the police? Next, if all of these people are convicted felons and if simpson is this great upstanding guy why does he associate with these people? I can answer both. He did not want the police called. He said in his own words he set up this" sting". simpson is as bad as they come. He has been breaking the law all of his life and has gotten away with even murder. He thinks he is above the law and up until now he has been. He associates with these people because he is a criminal himself. He could not do illlegal things like the off shore accounts, hiding things from the Browns and Goldmans and ripping off Direct Tv. A thief is a thief.

Many individual Americans and corporations have off shore accounts. I am not sure it is illegal to own one as long as one records the income amount on their U.S. taxes. Oj has no legal responsibility to inform fred of any money he receives. It is freds responsibility to find the money and ask the court to give it to him.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Actually time of legal marriage is very short, although were together better than a decade. Lots of people here feel he is guilty. I've got a real problem with the time frame, it really doesn't fit well. Common sense says he did it, and the same common sense should know the time frame is not only tight but odd.

Pearyb
i have a problem with ehtr time frame also. Simply put:
Kato and his girl friend testified that he heard the noise on trhe wall at 10:45
which is the same time that Mr Heidstra said he saw a white suv turn onto S
Bundy from Dorothy. If either was Oj which place was he.Bundy or the s walkway? That was enough for the jury to find reasonable doubt on that specific issue.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Media shaping public opinion.
what i see happening here is simular to what happened in the criminal trial.
90% + of the coverage by the media is given to charges against oj and interviews of the 'WOODWORK' people from the last trial giving their view that oj was guilty in the criminal trial. Old talking heads are given new opportunities to give opinions on this new case.

I believe if cnn did a poll now, on this case, it would yield the same results
as the poll before the criminal trial. most americans believe oj guilty before this trial. imo
martin II

[martin II]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242007/gossip/pagesix/surgical_stunner.htm

Part of the media hype of everything oj simpson. i guess they figured they might as well hit Marcia since they were doing the oj week.
martin II

[martin II]

Pearyb
i have a problem with ehtr time frame also. Simply put:
Kato and his girl friend testified that he heard the noise on trhe wall at 10:45
which is the same time that Mr Heidstra said he saw a white suv turn onto S
Bundy from Dorothy. If either was Oj which place was he.Bundy or the s walkway? That was enough for the jury to find reasonable doubt on that specific issue.imo
martin II

correction

problem with the time frame.
sorry.
martin II

[weezer]

as usual you are trying to change the focus of James Woods interview.
It was about Nicole asking him to get togeather with her. not oj.
Nicole wa gicving him GOOGLE eyey. and then wrote him a note saying oj was out of town ans he should get togeather with her. That speaks to he intantions. Had nothing to do with oj other than he was out of town and would not have known what Nicole was doing.

Martinii

LOL -- actually, martin -- You are the one that has tried to change the focus of the interview:

"JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome."

[tv]

LOL -- actually, martin -- You are the one that has tried to change the focus of the interview:

"JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome."Yep, the threesome was just as much a part of the story as Nicole wanting to have an affair with James Woods. It's hard to picture Nicole telling JW how unhappy her marriage was while her husband sat at the same table talking to Denise. It must have been a big table. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

Yep, the threesome was just as much a part of the story as Nicole wanting to have an affair with James Woods. It's hard to picture Nicole telling JW how unhappy her marriage was while her husband sat at the same table talking to Denise. It must have been a big table. :rolleyes:


tv

I suggest you read the title of the james wood article in his words. You will not be able to twist the meaning and content of what he said.

'NICOLE TRIED TO CHEAT ON OJ"
martin II

[tv]

tv

I suggest you read the title of the james wood article in his words. You will not be able to twist the meaning and content of what he said.

'NICOLE TRIED TO CHEAT ON OJ"
martin II

james woods popular actor.

NICOLE TRIED CHEATING ON O.J.September 22, 2007 -- JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome.

The skirt-chasing "Shark" star told Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show" he started getting weird vibes from the couple when Simpson invited him to dinner years before Nicole was savagely murdered.

As they sat in a fancy restaurant in Palm Springs and Simpson got into a conversation with Nicole's sister Denise Brown, Nicole began eyeing Woods. "[She was] this curvy, gorgeous blonde . . . and she starts talking to me, and everything is about how she is really not happy with her marriage. I'm going through a divorce at the time, and I'm taking the bait. I guess I'm kind of being set up," Woods recalled. *snip*

martin, I didn't twist the meaning or content. It's clearly stated in the article that there were two conversations going on. However, after reading it again, I realized that what JW is saying is that OJS was talking to Denise to give Nicole a chance to flirt with him in order to set him up for the later invitation for a threesome. If Simpson's not in on what Nicole is saying to JW there's no way she could have done that without him overhearing. Hey, I'm starting to believe this story! :D

[Kate Sachel]

I think that the statements of the civil jury after the political production speaks volumes as to people's ability to distinquish one trial from another, which is why I say that it will be difficult, if not impossible for Simpson to receive a fair trial. I readily admit that his conduct does not serve him well. I do not know how you get that I mean White people are out to get him, unless you equate that with my use of the term, MOST OF AMERICA. IIRC, Martin has posted the percentages of Blacks and Whites that thougt Simpson was a murder. Those Blacks would be included in my statemets that MOST OF AMERICA thought Simpson was guilty after the criminal trial. I will admit that the percentages Martin posted showed that the vast majority of those Whites interviewed thought Simpson was guilty. I think that people would like to be able to think they could distinquish one trial from another. However, due to his conduct and media's and public opinion's bias, I do believe that MOST OF AMERICA have already convicted him.

I think that if there weren't people capable of a fair trial with OJ Simpson then he wouldn't have been aquitted of battery and road rage charges in 2001. In fact, he'd be behind bars and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

And yet it remains poor OJ.

Interesting.

[WarmNCozy]

This is from TMZ.com

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/22/james-woods-o-j-s-wife-wanted-affair-with-me/

And Page Six

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09222007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

[weezer]

tv

I suggest you read the title of the james wood article in his words. You will not be able to twist the meaning and content of what he said.

'NICOLE TRIED TO CHEAT ON OJ"
martin II

you're not being fair to woods -- he also said orenthal wanted a three way him (he thought) and you are completely ignoring his whole story.

[weezer]

This is from TMZ.com


http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/22/james-woods-o-j-s-wife-wanted-affair-with-me/

thanks!

Actor James Woods says O.J.'s ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, wanted to have an affair with him -- and once invited him to join her and O.J. in a kinky threesome.

wonder which one it was? they 'seemed' to want to or they 'did'. . . .

this may be like his 9/11 story -- be damed details! lol

[Kate Sachel]

This is from TMZ.com

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/22/james-woods-o-j-s-wife-wanted-affair-with-me/

And Page Six

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09222007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

So where has this man and his story been for the past thirteen years or did he only recently decide to jump on the Juice bandwagon?

Kate

[Kayleighjo]

You feel OJ as a murderer. There are those of us that don't. This board is for pro/con.

It is not for insulting people who do not agree with you!

I don't know how Martin tolerates all the jabs and insults on a daily basis because his opinions differ from yours!

Oh gosh, at first I thought my eyes were going because I couldn't believe I was reading this crap, but will wonders never cease!

Do you even know how many times this guy has been banned? Let me guess, you don't care because just like O.J. I'm sure you see martin as the good guy wronged. Am I right? Bet you'd be real angry if someone tried to snatch his expensive watch.

[martin II]

martin, I didn't twist the meaning or content. It's clearly stated in the article that there were two conversations going on. However, after reading it again, I realized that what JW is saying is that OJS was talking to Denise to give Nicole a chance to flirt with him in order to set him up for the later invitation for a threesome. If Simpson's not in on what Nicole is saying to JW there's no way she could have done that without him overhearing. Hey, I'm starting to believe this story! :D

As usual you are trying to twist what J woods said in order to cover up what nicole did in her attempt to 'CHEAT ON OJ' .Woods said it was nicole that was giving him Google Eyes when oj invited him to a drink, which i assume he had
unenvental with the exception of the Google eyes from Nicole. Believe me a man knows when a woman is giving him the ok to come on.

Nicole then made her intentions/request clear when she sent the note to woods asking to get togeather with her because OJ was out of town.So it seems she wanted a twosome not a three some based on her note to woods.

I understand that you try very hard to hide Nicoles flaws but in reality SHE WAS WHAT SHE WAS. In this instance,she was asking form something that she felt oj would never know of.I guess oj did not know it until a few days ago
when Woods went public.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

thanks!

Actor James Woods says O.J.'s ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, wanted to have an affair with him -- and once invited him to join her and O.J. in a kinky threesome.

wonder which one it was? they 'seemed' to want to or they 'did'. . . .

this may be like his 9/11 story -- be damed details! lol

weezer

I don't think woods said in his article that either oj or Nicole said "lets have a threesome." He said He Thought that may have been why he was invited.
So you can correct your post.

martin II

[weezer]

As usual you are trying to twist what J woods said in order to cover up what nicole did in her attempt to 'CHEAT ON OJ' .Woods said it was nicole that was giving him Google Eyes when oj invited him to a drink, which i assume he had
unenvental with the exception of the Google eyes from Nicole. Believe me a man knows when a woman is giving him the ok to come on.

Nicole then made her intentions/request clear when she sent the note to woods asking to get togeather with her because OJ was out of town.So it seems she wanted a twosome not a three some based on her note to woods.

I understand that you try very hard to hide Nicoles flaws but in reality SHE WAS WHAT SHE WAS. In this instance,she was asking form something that she felt oj would never know of.I guess oj did not know it until a few days ago
when Woods went public.
imo
martin II

LOL -- you have it all wrong martin:

"JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome."

sounds to me like orenthal was making 'Google' eyes -- :eek: ;)

[weezer]

weezer

I don't think woods said in his article that either oj or Nicole said "lets have a threesome." He said He Thought that may have been why he was invited.
So you can correct your post.

martin II

I guess he also "thought" Nicole wanted to have an affair with him since he never states that is what she says. ;)

[martin II]

I guess he also "thought" Nicole wanted to have an affair with him since he never states that is what she says. ;)

the google eyee plus the letter of request when oj was out of towm indicates
her intentions clearly.

martin II

[socaldiva]

the google eyee plus the letter of request when oj was out of towm indicates
her intentions clearly.

martin II

And the article clearly states what Woods thought Orenthal's intentions were ;)

[weezer]

the google eyee plus the letter of request when oj was out of towm indicates
her intentions clearly.

martin II

LOL -- of course it does

[tv]

As usual you are trying to twist what J woods said in order to cover up what nicole did in her attempt to 'CHEAT ON OJ' .Woods said it was nicole that was giving him Google Eyes when oj invited him to a drink, which i assume he had
unenvental with the exception of the Google eyes from Nicole. Believe me a man knows when a woman is giving him the ok to come on.

Nicole then made her intentions/request clear when she sent the note to woods asking to get togeather with her because OJ was out of town.So it seems she wanted a twosome not a three some based on her note to woods.

I understand that you try very hard to hide Nicoles flaws but in reality SHE WAS WHAT SHE WAS. In this instance,she was asking form something that she felt oj would never know of.I guess oj did not know it until a few days ago
when Woods went public.
imo
martin IImartin, you can accuse me of twisting what JW said all you want. It's down in black and white. I've never said Nicole had no flaws. I've said dragging all this personal stuff up, whether true or not, is unnecessary. Since you insist on going there then we will. Why do you believe that Nicole wanted to have an affair with JW but dismiss the notion that Simpson wanted to have a threesome?

[martin II]

martin, you can accuse me of twisting what JW said all you want. It's down in black and white. I've never said Nicole had no flaws. I've said dragging all this personal stuff up, whether true or not, is unnecessary. Since you insist on going there then we will. Why do you believe that Nicole wanted to have an affair with JW but dismiss the notion that Simpson wanted to have a threesome?

Most of the stuff being dug up by the media and talking heads is unnecessary
as it has little to do with the current accusaitons against oj. But stuff to paint him in a bad light is still comming out ragardless of how old it is.

Nicole wrote a letter to woods indicating on paper whan she had in mind. I saw nothing in his comments that oj made any comments other then come have a drink which i assume he did. End of story until he received this letter from nicole and oj was out of towm.
imo
\martin II

[weezer]

Most of the stuff being dug up by the media and talking heads is unnecessary
as it has little to do with the current accusaitons against oj. But stuff to paint him in a bad light is still comming out ragardless of how old it is.

Nicole wrote a letter to woods indicating on paper whan she had in mind. I saw nothing in his comments that oj made any comments other then come have a drink which i assume he did. End of story until he received this letter from nicole and oj was out of towm.
imo
\martin II

for your own sake martin, you must quit ignoring the obvious:

"JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome."

[tv]

Most of the stuff being dug up by the media and talking heads is unnecessary
as it has little to do with the current accusaitons against oj. But stuff to paint him in a bad light is still comming out ragardless of how old it is.

Nicole wrote a letter to woods indicating on paper whan she had in mind. I saw nothing in his comments that oj made any comments other then come have a drink which i assume he did. End of story until he received this letter from nicole and oj was out of towm.
imo
\martin IImartin, you're right that negative stuff keeps coming out about Simpson but this time you're the one that brought it to light. I thank you for that by the way. :D

[martin II]

martin, you're right that negative stuff keeps coming out about Simpson but this time you're the one that brought it to light. I thank you for that by the way. :D

wrong

The article came out in the ny post and millions of people read it. It was also posted on TMZ and i assume that millions of people have read it by now.I had nothing to do with it.While you are at it don't discriminate. Give the poster that posted that article about that gardner's accusation some credit also.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

for your own sake martin, you must quit ignoring the obvious:

"JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome."


SEEMS TO HAVE is a lot different from receiving a letter asking for it when oj was out of town.

Look, i understand how you try to chang the meaning of issues that you dissagree with to have them agree with your opinions. Keep it up as much as you require.

Woods words speak for themselves.
No need to go back and forth with your post on this any more.
imo
martin II

[tv]

wrong

The article came out in the ny post and millions of people read it. It was also posted on TMZ and i assume that millions of people have read it by now.I had nothing to do with it.While you are at it don't discriminate. Give the poster that posted that article about that gardner's accusation some credit also.imomartin IImartin, I meant you brought it to light on this board. I certainly knew nothing about it until your post. I'm sure millions have read it by now and are aware that James Woods not only feels that Nicole wanted to have an affair with him but that OJ Simpson was interested in him too.

I don't know what poster or what gardner you're talking about. :shrug:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
wrong

The article came out in the ny post and millions of people read it. It was also posted on TMZ and i assume that millions of people have read it by now.I had nothing to do with it.While you are at it don't discriminate. Give the poster that posted that article about that gardner's accusation some credit also.
imo
martin II

She's not wrong. You are the poster that posted it here & seems to take glee in what Woods said about Nicole. However, you seem to insist on ignoring the balance of what Woods said about Orenthal & the threesome.

Relative to the link about Orenthal threatening the gardener, I didn't post it & then argue about what it said or just pick out the parts I liked. That's the difference. ;)

[tv]

She's not wrong. You are the poster that posted it here & seems to take glee in what Woods said about Nicole. However, you seem to insist on ignoring the balance of what Woods said about Orenthal & the threesome.

Relative to the link about Orenthal threatening the gardener, I didn't post it & then argue about what it said or just pick out the parts I liked. That's the difference. ;)Oops, now I know who the gardener is. I thought he was a handyman. :tongue:

[martin II]

martin, I meant you brought it to light on this board. I certainly knew nothing about it until your post. I'm sure millions have read it by now and are aware that James Woods not only feels that Nicole wanted to have an affair with him but that OJ Simpson was interested in him too.

I don't know what poster or what gardner you're talking about. :shrug:

TV
Testimony in the trials state that it was nicole and faye that were doing the threesomes with strange men around brentwood. Oj had a preferance for women and it has been claimed that he had too many.
Woods never stated that oj had a interest in him. That is the piece you are adding to his stated words. BWTH imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Oops, now I know who the gardener is. I thought he was a handyman. :tongue:

Oh shoot. You're right, it was a handyman! lol. In that case, I don't know who the gardener is. :D

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Testimony in the trials state that it was nicole and faye that were doing the threesomes with strange men around brentwood.


Oh really? Got a link to support that testimony??

As for OJ having his choice of women, apparently he's big on skanks since the murder. That's all I ever see him with.

[tv]

TV
Testimony in the trials state that it was nicole and faye that were doing the threesomes with strange men around brentwood. Oj had a preferance for women and it has been claimed that he had too many.
Woods never stated that oj had a interest in him. That is the piece you are adding to his stated words. BWTH imo
martin IISo you're saying OJ Simpson was going to engage in a threesome against his will? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

[weezer]

TV
Testimony in the trials state that it was nicole and faye that were doing the threesomes with strange men around brentwood. Oj had a preferance for women and it has been claimed that he had too many.
Woods never stated that oj had a interest in him. That is the piece you are adding to his stated words. BWTH imo
martin II

hurry martin so you can be first in line to bash the victims and/or families. Besides, how do you know orenthal had a preference for women? I think woods has raised some questions regarding orenthal, don't you? Maybe that's where orenthal's problems stem from -- imo

[socaldiva]

Here it is, plain as day. No twisting as Martin suggests:

"Actor James Woods says O.J.'s ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, wanted to have an affair with him -- and once invited him to join her and O.J. in a kinky threesome. "

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/22/james-woods-o-j-s-wife-wanted-affair-with-me/

[tv]

Oh really? Got a link to support that testimony??

As for OJ having his choice of women, apparently he's big on skanks since the murder. That's all I ever see him with.Gawd, isn't that the truth?!

[socaldiva]

Gawd, isn't that the truth?!

And I don't mean to be disrespectful to those women, I feel bad for them. :(
But some act as though getting one of those insecure women is such a feat.

[tv]

And I don't mean to be disrespectful to those women, I feel bad for them. :(
But some act as though getting one of those insecure women is such a feat.I feel bad for them too. They're easy targets for overbearing, controlling men.

[weezer]

OJ would s---- a snake if someone would hold it. Even if Nicole did play around it is no reason to kill her.

actually, there is no testimony that Nicole 'played around' while she was married to orenthal.

[martin II]

Gawd, isn't that the truth?!

tv

surprised that you are joining in on calling another woman A SKANK just because she dates a guy you you don't like.

martrin II

[weezer]

OJ Simpson armed robbery case suspect posts bail in Las Vegas
The final man jailed in the O.J. Simpson armed robbery case posted bail, and a lawyer for one his co-defendants asked prosecutors Monday for all materials related to the sports memorabilia heist. Charles Cashmore posted $28,000 bail late Sunday, but remained behind bars at the Clark County Detention Center awaiting assignment to a house arrest case officer, according to a court official and his lawyer, Edward Miley. Cashmore, 40, of Las Vegas, was expected to be freed Tuesday or Wednesday, Miley said. Co-defendant Michael McClinton's lawyer filed documents asking prosecutors to turn over copies of tapes, transcripts and statements of co-defendants involved in the case. "There are multiple conspiracies charged," attorney William Terry said in his request. "The issue arises ... as to the state of mind of each of the alleged participants." A spokesman for Clark County District Attorney David Roger said he could not immediately comment. A Las Vegas police spokesman said the tapes and documents police have collected are evidence and would not be made public.
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6220996

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surprised that you are joining in on calling another woman A SKANK just because she dates a guy you you don't like.

martrin IIThat has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the behavior of the woman involved. Maybe now you know how it feels when you constantly trash Nicole. I believe you're the one who said it's not bashing when it's the truth.

[martin II]

That has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the behavior of the woman involved. Maybe now you know how it feels when you constantly trash Nicole. I believe you're the one who said it's not bashing when it's the truth.


Do you have evidence that will allow you to know Purdy is a SKANK.

i think it is overeaching to call that woman a skank and over the top for aother woman to support that claim. I don't know how anything feels as i have posted court testimony and media articles of people commenting on nicoles behavior.All of the central people in this case gets to have their conduct examined. Those that died and those that are accused directly or indirectly of having something to do with it.Nicoles flaws are open to discussion without it being called bashing. Or do we only bash OJ, Arnell, j cochran and Oj's other lawyers etc. because some dissagree with the not guilty verdict. imo
martin II

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Do you have evidence that will allow you to know Purdy is a SKANK.

i think it is overeaching to call that woman a skank and over the top for aother woman to support that claim. I don't know how anything feels as i have posted court testimony and media articles of people commenting on nicoles behavior.All of the central people in this case gets to have their conduct examined. Those that died and those that are accused directly or indirectly of having something to do with it.Nicoles flaws are open to discussion without it being called bashing. Or do we only bash OJ, Arnell, j cochran and Oj's other lawyers etc. because some dissagree with the not guilty verdict. imo
martin III don't believe I every used Prody's name. But, if you want to mention the current girlifriend it's my understanding that she appears in his porn video. It's also hard to have respect for a woman that will stay with a man she believes to be a double-murderer.

I have no evidence just like you have no evidence that Nicole was involved heaviliy in drugs and had extra-marital affairs but yet you continue to say these things are true.

[weezer]

Do you have evidence that will allow you to know Purdy is a SKANK.

i think it is overeaching to call that woman a skank and over the top for aother woman to support that claim. I don't know how anything feels as i have posted court testimony and media articles of people commenting on nicoles behavior.All of the central people in this case gets to have their conduct examined. Those that died and those that are accused directly or indirectly of having something to do with it.Nicoles flaws are open to discussion without it being called bashing. Or do we only bash OJ, Arnell, j cochran and Oj's other lawyers etc. because some dissagree with the not guilty verdict. imo
martin II

I thought I was seeing things -- martin trying mightily to take the high ground when it comes to women! LOL -- martin who refers to women in the most offensive way.

martin has not only bashed the victims and families -- he has seemed to take great joy in slamming Nicole's character and reputation.

[Kate Sachel]

Do you have evidence that will allow you to know Purdy is a SKANK.

i think it is overeaching to call that woman a skank and over the top for aother woman to support that claim. I don't know how anything feels as i have posted court testimony and media articles of people commenting on nicoles behavior.All of the central people in this case gets to have their conduct examined. Those that died and those that are accused directly or indirectly of having something to do with it.Nicoles flaws are open to discussion without it being called bashing. Or do we only bash OJ, Arnell, j cochran and Oj's other lawyers etc. because some dissagree with the not guilty verdict. imo
martin II

Not that I personally believe anything that OJ says, but since you hold him in since high regard let's consider the following:

1.)OJ called the police against Prody for supposedly abusing him
2.)OJ called the police against Prody because he claimed she was on an incontrollable cocaine binge
3.) Christie Prody left a dead cat to rot in her apartment
4.) After splitting up for a period of time Christie Prody sold a story to the National Enquirer for $50,000.00 claiming that OJ confessed to the murders.

So if you are so inclined to believe OJ, and I think you are, those are just some of the reasons why Prody is unsavory.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

I thought I was seeing things -- martin trying mightily to take the high ground when it comes to women! LOL -- martin who refers to women in the most offensive way.

martin has not only bashed the victims and families -- he has seemed to take great joy in slamming Nicole's character and reputation.

Yes, he's got quite a double standard when he claims that the lives of the key players are open for scrutiny, yet the moment you question OJ's lifestyle he goes ballistic.

Has he ever admitted to an OJ flaw?

Kate

[martin II]

I thought I was seeing things -- martin trying mightily to take the high ground when it comes to women! LOL -- martin who refers to women in the most offensive way.

martin has not only bashed the victims and families -- he has seemed to take great joy in slamming Nicole's character and reputation.

weezer

as usual you seem to be under the impression that you know more of what is truth in this case than nicoles friends that testified. I wonder what caused you tho come to the conclusion.
martin II

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Yes, he's got quite a double standard when he claims that the lives of the key players are open for scrutiny, yet the moment you question OJ's lifestyle he goes ballistic.

Has he ever admitted to an OJ flaw?

KateKate, if he has, I've never seen it. :)

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weezer

as usual you seem to be under the impression that you know more of what is truth in this case than nicoles friends that testified. I wonder what caused you tho come to the conclusion.
martin IImartin, so now you believe Nicole's friends? Then you must believe them when they say that Simpson threatened to kill her and that she was afraid that he would.

[socaldiva]

Not that I personally believe anything that OJ says, but since you hold him in since high regard let's consider the following:

1.)OJ called the police against Prody for supposedly abusing him
2.)OJ called the police against Prody because he claimed she was on an incontrollable cocaine binge
3.) Christie Prody left a dead cat to rot in her apartment
4.) After splitting up for a period of time Christie Prody sold a story to the National Enquirer for $50,000.00 claiming that OJ confessed to the murders.

So if you are so inclined to believe OJ, and I think you are, those are just some of the reasons why Prody is unsavory.

Kate

Good points Kate. Also we've got the recent allegation by Orenthal of Purdy having a fling with the handyman (according to TMZ).

[weezer]

weezer

as usual you seem to be under the impression that you know more of what is truth in this case than nicoles friends that testified. I wonder what caused you tho come to the conclusion.
martin II

good ole God given common sense!

[martin II]

martin, so now you believe Nicole's friends? Then you must believe them when they say that Simpson threatened to kill her and that she was afraid that he would.

i think it was cora that said nicole told her that. he may have said that but i have no way of kowing if it was said in the same context that nicole said her mother often times told her the very same thing. People use this term a lot in everyday interactions. it is very common.
I believe most of Coras and other friends testimony. I believe some of faye testimony but have to be careful with her as i beleive she will lie as she had a agenda.

I believe the guy that talked to Cora at strabucks and told her that nicole asked him if he did threesomes and he was embarassed at her question.
I believe that Nicole betrayed Marcus Allens wife by carrying on this long term
relationship with him knowing he was married to the woman that had allowed NICOLE to decorate her house.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

good ole God given common sense!

your common sense against facts. That a dangerous idea if one is interested in facts.

imo
martin II

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i think it was cora that said nicole told her that. he may have said that but i have no way of kowing if it was said in the same context that nicole said her mother often times told her the very same thing. People use this term a lot in everyday interactions. it is very common.
I believe most of Coras and other friends testimony. I believe some of faye testimony but have to be careful with her as i beleive she will lie as she had a agenda.

I believe the guy that talked to Cora at strabucks and told her that nicole asked him if he did threesomes and he was embarassed at her question.
I believe that Nicole betrayed Marcus Allens wife by carrying on this long term
relationship with him knowing he was married to the woman that had allowed NICOLE to decorate her house.

imo
martin IIYou pick out the things you want to believe, all if it negative to Nicole. You don't believe the things said about Simpson. It's not everyday conversation to say you're going to kill someone. Your everyday interactions and mine must be very different.

[martin II]

You pick out the things you want to believe, all if it negative to Nicole. You don't believe the things said about Simpson. It's not everyday conversation to say you're going to kill someone. Your everyday interactions and mine must be very different.


i do not believe everything someone says. i do pick and choose based on what i think makes sense to me. I believe that oj made a mistake by allowing
Nicole 'TO JUMP ON HIS CAREER' without bringing something to the relationship other than a big head.

That was one of his big flaws.
I am sure my everyday interactions are different from yours.
imo
martin II

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i do not believe everything someone says. i do pick and choose based on what i think makes sense to me. I believe that oj made a mistake by allowing
Nicole 'TO JUMP ON HIS CAREER' without bringing something to the relationship other than a big head.

That was one of his big flaws.
I am sure my everyday interactions are different from yours.
imo
martin IILOL, now his only flaw is allowing Nicole to "jump on his career'? How does someone jump on someone else's career? She was doing a lot of jumping according to you. You said before that she jumped onto his life. You keep saying she brought nothing to the marriage. That's not for you to decide. Obviously, he thought she did because they had a long relationship.

Whether you like it or not she was legally married to him at one time, is the mother of two of his children, and deserved his repect and support. I don't know where this hatred of Nicole comes from. Sometimes I think you hate her more than OJ does.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
People use this term a lot in everyday interactions. it is very common.
.

Threats of murder are used "a lot in everday interactions & are very common"???? :confused: :eek: :chicken:

[weezer]

.

Threats of murder are used "a lot in everday interactions & are very common"???? :confused: :eek: :chicken:

yeah -- I came to a screeching halt too. Oh well, he did say his everyday interactions were different. LOL

[socaldiva]

yeah -- I came to a screeching halt too. Oh well, he did say his everyday interactions were different. LOL

Somehow I seriously doubt that people living in Brentwood are accustomed to daily death threats from the people they know. Just a guess :tongue:

[socaldiva]

What I like about Orenthal's Vegas episode is that it is plausible that the goods he was trying to steal back from the "thieves" might very well go to the Goldman's & Orenthal will have to put out hefty legal fees, even if he doesn't do jail time. The Vegas episode will be for naught. What a dope he is. :tongue:

[martin II]

LOL, now his only flaw is allowing Nicole to "jump on his career'? How does someone jump on someone else's career? She was doing a lot of jumping according to you. You said before that she jumped onto his life. You keep saying she brought nothing to the marriage. That's not for you to decide. Obviously, he thought she did because they had a long relationship.

Whether you like it or not she was legally married to him at one time, is the mother of two of his children, and deserved his repect and support. I don't know where this hatred of Nicole comes from. Sometimes I think you hate her more than OJ does.

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship. She did not like the society lifestyle of oj and showed no indicaiton that she was compatable living in the celebrity life that oj had created for himself.

They were togeather multiple years before the first child and she never 'HIT ONE LICK' at employment, school or training to prepare herself as a person.

Bad decision by oj.
martin II

[weezer]

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship. She did not like the society lifestyle of oj and showed no indicaiton that she was compatable living in the celebrity life that oj had created for himself.

They were togeather multiple years before the first child and she never 'HIT ONE LICK' at employment, school or training to prepare herself as a person.

Bad decision by oj.
martin II

this is pathetic -- orenthal has made (and continues to make) many, many bad decisions in his lifetime AND he was too stupid to realize Nicole wasn't one of them. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship.

Orenthal may have attended USC, but I've seen no evidence of him receiving an education there. He can't read or speak properly. imo

Not everyone puts a premium on "work capability or money". As a matter of fact, abusers typically shy away from such women, as they would have better means to leave the abuser ;)

[weezer]

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship. She did not like the society lifestyle of oj and showed no indicaiton that she was compatable living in the celebrity life that oj had created for himself.

They were togeather multiple years before the first child and she never 'HIT ONE LICK' at employment, school or training to prepare herself as a person.

Bad decision by oj.
martin II

she obviously brought something into the relationship that orenthal felt was worth murdering her over when she left. imo

[socaldiva]

she obviously brought something into the relationship that orenthal felt was worth murdering her over when she left. imo

Excellent point!

btw: Is Purdy "educated" or have money of her own? The last job I heard she had was a cocktail waitress. Nothing wrong with that, but it speaks to what Simpson looks for in a woman & it's not money or education.

[tv]

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship. She did not like the society lifestyle of oj and showed no indicaiton that she was compatable living in the celebrity life that oj had created for himself.

They were togeather multiple years before the first child and she never 'HIT ONE LICK' at employment, school or training to prepare herself as a person.

Bad decision by oj.
martin IIPoor OJ. I think he should be nominated for sainthood.

[Sharon]

she obviously brought something into the relationship that orenthal felt was worth murdering her over when she left. imo

This is so brilliant......there is NO comeback to this. And its so true to boot!

[Kate Sachel]

Nicole brought little education, special skill, work capability or money to this relationship. She did not like the society lifestyle of oj and showed no indicaiton that she was compatable living in the celebrity life that oj had created for himself.

They were togeather multiple years before the first child and she never 'HIT ONE LICK' at employment, school or training to prepare herself as a person.

Bad decision by oj.
martin II

What education did OJ bring to the relationship? Do you think that because he attended college on a football scholarship means that he was knowledgeable?

I'd like to talk about some of the very important things that Nicole brought to their relationship. She was a loving mother and friend to his children Arnelle and Jason, she brought loyalty and warmth and a sense of family to a man who openly admitted to lacking that (OJ), she brought a work ethic that never allowed her to simply lounge around the house and work at her tan but rather ensure that she had full meals on the table for breakfast and dinner for her busy husband and his friends, she brought a special skill of interior design that she used to redecorate many of their friends homes and including their own home. She blessed him with two other beautiful children named sydney and Justin who she was a loving and devoted mother to.

Nicole Brown Simpson took great pains to ensure that she did not lavishly spend their money. She rarely shopped for new clothes, she often times clipped coupons though had to stop because OJ got angry with her for doing so, and the only vehicles she owned were those that OJ bought her as gifts.

How unfortunate that you can look at that and claim that she brought nothing. I truly feel sorry for you because of that.

Kate

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What education did OJ bring to the relationship? Do you think that because he attended college on a football scholarship means that he was knowledgeable?

I'd like to talk about some of the very important things that Nicole brought to their relationship. She was a loving mother and friend to his children Arnelle and Jason, she brought loyalty and warmth and a sense of family to a man who openly admitted to lacking that (OJ), she brought a work ethic that never allowed her to simply lounge around the house and work at her tan but rather ensure that she had full meals on the table for breakfast and dinner for her busy husband and his friends, she brought a special skill of interior design that she used to redecorate many of their friends homes and including their own home. She blessed him with two other beautiful children named sydney and Justin who she was a loving and devoted mother to.

Nicole Brown Simpson took great pains to ensure that she did not lavishly spend their money. She rarely shopped for new clothes, she often times clipped coupons though had to stop because OJ got angry with her for doing so, and the only vehicles she owned were those that OJ bought her as gifts.

How unfortunate that you can look at that and claim that she brought nothing. I truly feel sorry for you because of that.

KateKate, thanks for making her into a real human being with gifts and talents instead of the insipid, parasitic creature that martin wants everyone to think she was. :)

[Heyes]

What education did OJ bring to the relationship? Do you think that because he attended college on a football scholarship means that he was knowledgeable?

I'd like to talk about some of the very important things that Nicole brought to their relationship. She was a loving mother and friend to his children Arnelle and Jason, she brought loyalty and warmth and a sense of family to a man who openly admitted to lacking that (OJ), she brought a work ethic that never allowed her to simply lounge around the house and work at her tan but rather ensure that she had full meals on the table for breakfast and dinner for her busy husband and his friends, she brought a special skill of interior design that she used to redecorate many of their friends homes and including their own home. She blessed him with two other beautiful children named sydney and Justin who she was a loving and devoted mother to.

Nicole Brown Simpson took great pains to ensure that she did not lavishly spend their money. She rarely shopped for new clothes, she often times clipped coupons though had to stop because OJ got angry with her for doing so, and the only vehicles she owned were those that OJ bought her as gifts.

How unfortunate that you can look at that and claim that she brought nothing. I truly feel sorry for you because of that.

Kate
Beautiful post!
I am always amazed that when defending the killer one feels the need to bash the mother of his children. I would think, knowing what we know about simpson, that in his warped world he can say these things but since it was his wife he would want to kill those that said such nasty things about HIS WIFE. Perhaps it wouldn't be safe to dis nicole! The killer is capable of turning on those that love him.
By the way, I'm almost done with "the confession of oj". lol
I have never seen such BS. He has nicole as the bad guy all the way through yet he always does the right thing. One thing that I laughed about was his ongoing rant about Nicoles friends and how they were "hookers and criminals", I mean really, has he taken a close look at his buddies? all felons. lol lol Yeah simpson, we believe you. lol lol
Bless the Goldmans for shining the light on the cockroach!

[weezer]

Beautiful post!
I am always amazed that when defending the killer one feels the need to bash the mother of his children. I would think, knowing what we know about simpson, that in his warped world he can say these things but since it was his wife he would want to kill those that said such nasty things about HIS WIFE. Perhaps it wouldn't be safe to dis nicole! The killer is capable of turning on those that love him.
By the way, I'm almost done with "the confession of oj". lol
I have never seen such BS. He has nicole as the bad guy all the way through yet he always does the right thing. One thing that I laughed about was his ongoing rant about Nicoles friends and how they were "hookers and criminals", I mean really, has he taken a close look at his buddies? all felons. lol lol Yeah simpson, we believe you. lol lol
Bless the Goldmans for shining the light on the cockroach!

this post ROCKS!

[Kate Sachel]

Beautiful post!
I am always amazed that when defending the killer one feels the need to bash the mother of his children. I would think, knowing what we know about simpson, that in his warped world he can say these things but since it was his wife he would want to kill those that said such nasty things about HIS WIFE. Perhaps it wouldn't be safe to dis nicole! The killer is capable of turning on those that love him.
By the way, I'm almost done with "the confession of oj". lol
I have never seen such BS. He has nicole as the bad guy all the way through yet he always does the right thing. One thing that I laughed about was his ongoing rant about Nicoles friends and how they were "hookers and criminals", I mean really, has he taken a close look at his buddies? all felons. lol lol Yeah simpson, we believe you. lol lol
Bless the Goldmans for shining the light on the cockroach!

Perfect!

Kate

[socaldiva]

this post ROCKS!

It sure does! I'm particularly fond of the line about the Goldman's "shining a light on a cockroach". :D

[socaldiva]

What education did OJ bring to the relationship? Do you think that because he attended college on a football scholarship means that he was knowledgeable?

I'd like to talk about some of the very important things that Nicole brought to their relationship. She was a loving mother and friend to his children Arnelle and Jason, she brought loyalty and warmth and a sense of family to a man who openly admitted to lacking that (OJ), she brought a work ethic that never allowed her to simply lounge around the house and work at her tan but rather ensure that she had full meals on the table for breakfast and dinner for her busy husband and his friends, she brought a special skill of interior design that she used to redecorate many of their friends homes and including their own home. She blessed him with two other beautiful children named sydney and Justin who she was a loving and devoted mother to.

Nicole Brown Simpson took great pains to ensure that she did not lavishly spend their money. She rarely shopped for new clothes, she often times clipped coupons though had to stop because OJ got angry with her for doing so, and the only vehicles she owned were those that OJ bought her as gifts.

How unfortunate that you can look at that and claim that she brought nothing. I truly feel sorry for you because of that.

Kate

What a beautiful, thoughtful post Kate. I couldn't snip a bit of it.

[weezer]

Friend Taped Meetings With Simpson
Plan Didn't Include Guns, but Simpson's Demeanor Changed When They Entered the Hotel Room, Says Tom Riccio

Tom Riccio says he taped a meeting with O.J. Simpson before the confrontation with memorabilia dealers in Las Vegas. (ABC News)

" . . .Tom Riccio says he and Simpson went over details about an hour before the vigilante-style raid and Riccio says he taped his meeting with Simpson — a poor-quality recording acquired by ABC News.

Simpson can be heard saying he wanted to recover his memorabilia in Nevada, away from the family of the murdered Ron Goldman, who have a lien on most of Simpson's earnings.

"I'm going to show up with a bunch of the boys, and take my [expletive] and they can't do nothing about it," Simpson says on the tape. . ."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OJSimpson/story?id=3617682&page=1

LOL -- and he and his buds are trying to sell the "Poor ole orenthal has been set up again" -- LOL

[martin II]

Riccio
I have wondered since riccio was involved in planning this "caper" from the beginning, would he be considered a acomplish. Riccio rented the room,arranged for the sellers to bring the goods to the room, met oj in the lobby and gave him the room number, went to the room and either left the door open or opened the door for oj and his guys when they arrived.

If Riccio was really oj's friend and had no intention to harm him,why did he immediately sell his illegal recording to tmz for cash to make it public.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

Riccio
I have wondered since riccio was involved in planning this "caper" from the beginning, would he be considered a acomplish. Riccio rented the room,arranged for the sellers to bring the goods to the room, met oj in the lobby and gave him the room number, went to the room and either left the door open or opened the door for oj and his guys when they arrived.

If Riccio was really oj's friend and had no intention to harm him,why did he immediately sell his illegal recording to tmz for cash to make it public.

imo
martin II

the story is that he went down to the lobby and brought them to the room -- guess that would mean he entered the room with them. His story is that they were going there to get the items back -- no indication from orenthal and his 'gang' that there would be guns.

I assume he knew what orenthal is and recorded the encounters to protect himself. imo

[Heyes]

the story is that he went down to the lobby and brought them to the room -- guess that would mean he entered the room with them. His story is that they were going there to get the items back -- no indication from orenthal and his 'gang' that there would be guns.

I assume he knew what orenthal is and recorded the encounters to protect himself. imo

Well if you read the killers confession it seems he always has a gun nearby. Of course he brought guns! If he didn't bring them I bet dollars to donuts he either requested them or help supply them. This guy is nuts!
IMO

[Heyes]

Riccio
I have wondered since riccio was involved in planning this "caper" from the beginning, would he be considered a acomplish. Riccio rented the room,arranged for the sellers to bring the goods to the room, met oj in the lobby and gave him the room number, went to the room and either left the door open or opened the door for oj and his guys when they arrived.

If Riccio was really oj's friend and had no intention to harm him,why did he immediately sell his illegal recording to tmz for cash to make it public.

imo
martin II
Hey I would have recorded the killer too. You just knew he would go off. The fact us he is obviously very easy to set off. He seems to always have a gun and a threat at the ready. Glad someone had the brains to catch it on tape this time. IMO
Why would riccio want to even be his friend? I think it's great that simpson himself is responsible for taking to the next level. Had he just come in yelling and then left this would have been something for TMZ, however the killer chose to do a "sting operation" with guns and force. That flips it to the criminal justice system. Dumb bunny LMAO!

[William Anthony]

Riccio
I have wondered since riccio was involved in planning this "caper" from the beginning, would he be considered a acomplish. Riccio rented the room,arranged for the sellers to bring the goods to the room, met oj in the lobby and gave him the room number, went to the room and either left the door open or opened the door for oj and his guys when they arrived.

If Riccio was really oj's friend and had no intention to harm him,why did he immediately sell his illegal recording to tmz for cash to make it public.

imo
martin II

Martin,

I heard on Fox that Riccio called Simpson and let him know where his stuff was. It would seem to me to suggest a set up. I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation. However, once that decision was made, whether his or someone else's, I do not see Simpson or anyone else saying, "Please, if you do not mind, could you give me my belongings back."

[martin II]

Martin,

I heard on Fox that Riccio called Simpson and let him know where his stuff was. It would seem to me to suggest a set up. I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation. However, once that decision was made, whether his or someone else's, I do not see Simpson or anyone else saying, "Please, if you do not mind, could you give me my belongings back."

william
correct. Especially to the kind of guys that had stolem his good and were trying to sell them.

martin II

[weezer]

william
correct. Especially to the kind of guys that had stolem his good and were trying to sell them.

martin II

LOL -- one of those guys was a friend of orenthal and the guys with the guns and records he brought with him -- LOL -- You are too, too funny.

[Heyes]

LOL -- one of those guys was a friend of orenthal and the guys with the guns and records he brought with him -- LOL -- You are too, too funny.

lol yup all were the killers buddies, and he had been worried about who Nicole hung out with! Funny I don't remember ever hearing about Faye strong arming people or showing up with thugs and guns or road rage or stealing from a cable company or her kids calling the police because they were scared to death of a parent, or threatening a handyman or... or....or......

[weezer]

lol yup all were the killers buddies, and he had been worried about who Nicole hung out with! Funny I don't remember ever hearing about Faye strong arming people or showing up with thugs and guns or road rage or stealing from a cable company or her kids calling the police because they were scared to death of a parent, or threatening a handyman or... or....or......

:beer: :beer: :beer:

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Riccio
I have wondered since riccio was involved in planning this "caper" from the beginning, would he be considered a acomplish. Riccio rented the room,arranged for the sellers to bring the goods to the room, met oj in the lobby and gave him the room number, went to the room and either left the door open or opened the door for oj and his guys when they arrived.

If Riccio was really oj's friend and had no intention to harm him,why did he immediately sell his illegal recording to tmz for cash to make it public.

imo
martin IIHe said he had a slow week and had to feed his family. My guess is that he probably had to secure his homestead too.

[socaldiva]

He said he had a slow week and had to feed his family. My guess is that he probably had to secure his homestead too.

Orenthal should understand that. Look at all the creepy things he does to earn a buck.....:D

[socaldiva]

David Letterman's top ten OJ Simpson excuses from 9/24/07 :D



http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/index/php/20070924.phtml

[Kate Sachel]

Martin,

I heard on Fox that Riccio called Simpson and let him know where his stuff was. It would seem to me to suggest a set up. I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation. However, once that decision was made, whether his or someone else's, I do not see Simpson or anyone else saying, "Please, if you do not mind, could you give me my belongings back."

So instead you see them holding people at gunpoint while screaming obscenities and threats?

I know nothing of who you are in your daily life William, but even though you and I certainly don't always view things the same, I have always felt that you have a very kind soul and cannot imagine you even suggesting that this was an appropriate course of action.

Have I not correctly understood your position on this? If I have misunderstood your thoughts, please clarify.

Kate

[martin II]

Martin,

I heard on Fox that Riccio called Simpson and let him know where his stuff was. It would seem to me to suggest a set up. I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation. However, once that decision was made, whether his or someone else's, I do not see Simpson or anyone else saying, "Please, if you do not mind, could you give me my belongings back."

william
it is not as if people have never heard the words oj and the other people used and the anger expressed. But in this case since it was oj doing some of the talking it is a chance for some to expressed revulsion at the comments
as a reason to pile on blame oj simpson.

i have read no comments by anyone that indicates that oj knew a person had a gun.

Most adults have been involved in or heard a heated argument at one time or another.
imo
martinII

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .Most adults have been involved in or heard a heated argument at one time or another.

yes but it appears that when it comes to orenthal, his screaming, ranting and raving is usually accompanied with violence. imo

[martin II]

yes but it appears that when it comes to orenthal, his screaming, ranting and raving is usually accompanied with violence. imo

My post was to william as i was attempting to discuss this issue with him.
thank'

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

My post was to william as i was attempting to discuss this issue with him.
thank'

martin II

Quite frankly, who cares who your post was directed at considering that inject yourself into conversations all of the time. I think it's high time you dropped your double standard curbside.

You consider what down to be merely a heated argument. Interesting. You also claim that we all, as adults, have witnessed a heated argument before and yes indeed I have but not one that included holding individuals at gunpoint and threatening them.

Your viewpoint of what is normal frightens me.

Kate

[weezer]

Black opinion of O.J. Simpson shifts
African Americans now more likely to say he murdered ex-wife, her friend
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21012641/

"O.J. Simpson sits on the set of an Internet TV station for an interview about his book, "If I Did It." The controversial book and Simpson's recent arrest on burglary charges in Las Vegas have eaten away at his support in the black community, which had largely rallied around Simpson during his murder trial in 1995."

[tv]

Martin,

I heard on Fox that Riccio called Simpson and let him know where his stuff was. It would seem to me to suggest a set up. I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation. However, once that decision was made, whether his or someone else's, I do not see Simpson or anyone else saying, "Please, if you do not mind, could you give me my belongings back."William, if you went to your neighbor and asked him to give back your that he stole would you just merely scream and yell or would you show up with a bunch of other guys, detain your neighbor in his garage and threaten him with a gun? I think most people understand the anger coming from OJ Simpson because he has always had a sense of entitlement but the rest of what happened is way over the top.

[tv]

David Letterman's top ten OJ Simpson excuses from 9/24/07 :D



http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/index/php/20070924.phtmlBesides #1, I think I like #4 the best. :biggrin:

[tv]

Black opinion of O.J. Simpson shifts
African Americans now more likely to say he murdered ex-wife, her friend
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21012641/

"O.J. Simpson sits on the set of an Internet TV station for an interview about his book, "If I Did It." The controversial book and Simpson's recent arrest on burglary charges in Las Vegas have eaten away at his support in the black community, which had largely rallied around Simpson during his murder trial in 1995."Thanks, weezer. I did read somewhere that the percentage of people that think he's guilty has gone way up since the trials. He can blame that on his self-destructive behavior. Even though he's guilty, the smart thing to do would have been to quietly fade from the public spotlight. IMO, he's addicted to the attention. He's loves being OJ and I think it will be his complete downfall.

[weezer]

Thanks, weezer. I did read somewhere that the percentage of people that think he's guilty has gone way up since the trials. He can blame that on his self-destructive behavior. Even though he's guilty, the smart thing to do would have been to quietly fade from the public spotlight. IMO, he's addicted to the attention. He's loves being OJ and I think it will be his complete downfall.

orenthal exhibits the signs of a sociopath and a narcissist: he cares nothing about other people's feelings and believes himself to be the most important. imo

[William Anthony]

So instead you see them holding people at gunpoint while screaming obscenities and threats?

I know nothing of who you are in your daily life William, but even though you and I certainly don't always view things the same, I have always felt that you have a very kind soul and cannot imagine you even suggesting that this was an appropriate course of action.

Have I not correctly understood your position on this? If I have misunderstood your thoughts, please clarify.

Kate

I think that you have misunderstood my point. Some seem to take the words uttered on the tape as a sign of Simpson's violent tendencies. I was saying that the words alone do not show his violent nature, as I do not think many of us would act calmly in a situation where our property was stolen from us and was in the hands of the alleged thief, who was in our presence. I think I said it my original posts that I did not approve of the decision but, once it was made, rightly or wrongly, by Simpson or someone else, the time for politeness had passed. One could say that it passed at the time of the original theft.

William

[martin II]

I think that you have misunderstood my point. Some seem to take the words uttered on the tape as a sign of Simpson's violent tendencies. I was saying that the words alone do not show his violent nature, as I do not think many of us would act calmly in a situation where our property was stolen from us and was in the hands of the alleged thief, who was in our presence. I think I said it my original posts that I did not approve of the decision but, once it was made, rightly or wrongly, by Simpson or someone else, the time for politeness had passed. One could say that it passed at the time of the original theft.

William

William

Your post was quite clear the first time. No reason to repeat it but since you did i will consider it a double good statement.Don't know why some are trying to act so up set at some curse words.I am surprised that not one physical blow was exchanged so it could not have been that bad.imo
but think it would have been a good idea if oj had told everyone NO WEAPONS.
hahaha

martin II

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William

Your post was quite clear the first time. No reason to repeat it but since you did i will consider it a double good statement.Don't know why some are trying to act so up set at some curse words.I am surprised that not one physical blow was exchanged so it could not have been that bad.imo
but think it would have been a good idea if oj had told everyone NO WEAPONS.
hahaha

martin IIMartin, since you're so sensitive about someone responding to your posts unless you're addressing them, I'm wondering if you noticed that William was posting to Kate? It's not for you to judge whether or not a post is clear to another poster. :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised that physical blows weren't exchanged. The people being held at gunpoint probably thought better of starting a physical confrontation and the ones with the guns had no need to start one.

[socaldiva]

Speaking of behavior exhibited when trying to retrieve stolen property, I didn't see Fred Goldman going after these very items that were stolen from him by virtue of corralling a bunch of thugs with guns & screaming like a lunatic. Fred did it the right way & handled it through the courts. Then again, Fred Goldman has class & Simpson has none.

[tv]

Speaking of behavior exhibited when trying to retrieve stolen property, I didn't see Fred Goldman going after these very items that were stolen from him by virtue of corralling a bunch of thugs with guns & screaming like a lunatic. Fred did it the right way & handled it through the courts. Then again, Fred Goldman has class & Simpson has none.
Exactly! :beer:

[WarmNCozy]

I myself have on occasion verbally gone off when I felt I was being used, taken advantage of, or in the case of OJ his property being sold for profit by his friends.

Would my shouting at thieves make me a vicious murderer, capable of anything after I was acquitted of a crime?

Next time you lose it and start shouting, remember we are all vulnerable human beings and have emotions and react to situations because of these emotions! For instance, emotions on these boards for people we will never personally know!

[socaldiva]

I think most people have matured by the age of 60 & don't go around shouting, "losing it" & threatening people. Orenthal has enough money & was just being greedy. Also, he seems to be a control freak & full of rage. I get so tired of people making excuses for this pathetic "man".

[tv]

I myself have on occasion verbally gone off when I felt I was being used, taken advantage of, or in the case of OJ his property being sold for profit by his friends.

Would my shouting at thieves make me a vicious murderer, capable of anything after I was acquitted of a crime?

Next time you lose it and start shouting, remember we are all vulnerable human beings and have emotions and react to situations because of these emotions! For instance, emotions on these boards for people we will never personally know!Did your 'verbally going off' also involve illegally detaining other people and taking their cell phones while your cohorts held guns on them? Some people want to minimize Simpson's behavor by focusing on his shouting but there's a lot more to it than that.

[socaldiva]

*snipe*
Some people want to minimize Simpson's behavor by focusing on his shouting but there's a lot more to it than that.

Yes, it's far more than shouting. The shouting just speaks to his volatile demeanor. You don't get charged with kidnapping & armed robbery for shouting.

[William Anthony]

William, if you went to your neighbor and asked him to give back your that he stole would you just merely scream and yell or would you show up with a bunch of other guys, detain your neighbor in his garage and threaten him with a gun? I think most people understand the anger coming from OJ Simpson because he has always had a sense of entitlement but the rest of what happened is way over the top.

What is not known at this time is Riccio's involvement, i.e. what he may or may not have told Simpson and/or the alleged thieves. If I thought that my neighbour was not alone, and did not know whether or not he was connected to the police or others but I was determined to take back my valuable property, I do not know what I would have done. I would like to know more about the situation. However, if I was in the situation where I had the upper hand and that was my property, I would be upset and not my normal kind self. I think we need to find out more before I can answer. What I will say is that being nice and polite was not an option once that plan of action had been undertaken. Weapons were allegedly drawn and not used. Perhaps, if the meeting had been in a remote place, weapons would have been used. Something tells me these particular alleged victims are familiar with guns being pulled on them and the language used. I do not think that this situation is demonstrative or deteminative of a propensity for violence. It is perhaps a ridiculous example of street justice.

[martin II]

Martin, since you're so sensitive about someone responding to your posts unless you're addressing them, I'm wondering if you noticed that William was posting to Kate? It's not for you to judge whether or not a post is clear to another poster. :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised that physical blows weren't exchanged. The people being held at gunpoint probably thought better of starting a physical confrontation and the ones with the guns had no need to start one.

tv
thanks for the correction. I only paid attention to willian's post as there are some that i just absolutely ignore(maby you have not noticed) because i see no value in reading them.

In a room filled with the kind of people that it is reported they were, guns would be a reason for a fight to break out.imo

martin II

[martin II]

I myself have on occasion verbally gone off when I felt I was being used, taken advantage of, or in the case of OJ his property being sold for profit by his friends.

Would my shouting at thieves make me a vicious murderer, capable of anything after I was acquitted of a crime?

Next time you lose it and start shouting, remember we are all vulnerable human beings and have emotions and react to situations because of these emotions! For instance, emotions on these boards for people we will never personally know!

:beer: :beer:
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
In a room filled with the kind of people that it is reported they were, guns would be a reason for a fight to break out.imo

martin II

Huh? Orenthal's thugs brought the guns. I see a common theme here: blame the victims.

[tv]

What is not known at this time is Riccio's involvement, i.e. what he may or may not have told Simpson and/or the alleged thieves. If I thought that my neighbour was not alone, and did not know whether or not he was connected to the police or others but I was determined to take back my valuable property, I do not know what I would have done. I would like to know more about the situation. However, if I was in the situation where I had the upper hand and that was my property, I would be upset and not my normal kind self. I think we need to find out more before I can answer. What I will say is that being nice and polite was not an option once that plan of action had been undertaken. Weapons were allegedly drawn and not used. Perhaps, if the meeting had been in a remote place, weapons would have been used. Something tells me these particular alleged victims are familiar with guns being pulled on them and the language used. I do not think that this situation is demonstrative or deteminative of a propensity for violence. It is perhaps a ridiculous example of street justice.IMO, whenever you go into a situation infuriated, with reinforcements and guns, anything can be expected to happen. Once Simpson started on his ill-advised coarse of action there were too many variables for him to be able to predict what would happen. I believe he may have thought no one would call the police and I'm sure he didn't know he was being taped. He should have learned from the murders that even though you're in physical control you can't control everything.

If he really thought he'd been wronged, and the items were legally his, why didn't he involve the police? Some people say it's because he didn't think the police would do anything to help him. However, that didn't stop him when he called the police on his girlfriend -- the esteemed Ms. Prody. IMO, the answer is because he knew the items could legally be claimed by Mr. Goldman.

I don't agree that this doesn't show a propensity for violent behavior. I'd say this is over-the-line behavior for all law-abiding citizens. I'll agree with your characterizing it as a ridiculous example of street justice but I'll add to that OJ Simpson's sense of entitlement. :)

[tv]

tv
thanks for the correction. I only paid attention to willian's post as there are some that i just absolutely ignore(maby you have not noticed) because i see no value in reading them.

In a room filled with the kind of people that it is reported they were, guns would be a reason for a fight to break out.imo

martin IIYou're welcome, martin. I really haven't noticed that you ignore some people. I thought we were one happy family around here. :)

I stand by what I said before. The ones with the guns had no need for a physical fight and the ones that had guns pointing at them were afraid to fight.

[tv]

Huh? Orenthal's thugs brought the guns. I see a common theme here: blame the victims.You know, diva, we could blame it all on Nicole. She takes the blame for everything else, why not this? She had the nerve to get herself murdered, then poor OJ was charged with the crime and acquited but lost in civil court. Fred Goldman is trying to take everything from him and all he's trying to do is feed his children and secure his homestead. So now he's forced to try to take back some of his memorabilia behind Fred Goldman's back. Here he is in trouble and it's all because Nicole made him murder her. Geez, can't the poor guy get a break? :biggrin:

[socaldiva]

You know, diva, we could blame it all on Nicole. She takes the blame for everything else, why not this? She had the nerve to get herself murdered, then poor OJ was charged with the crime and acquited but lost in civil court. Fred Goldman is trying to take everything from him and all he's trying to do is feed his children and secure his homestead. So now he's forced to try to take back some of his memorabilia behind Fred Goldman's back. Here he is in trouble and it's all because Nicole made him murder her. Geez, can't the poor guy get a break? :biggrin:

I know. As I recall some discounted poor Sydney's 911 call where she was sobbing about her Dad being an ***#### & chalked that up to a hysterical teenager. I suppose that was Nicole's fault too :rolleyes:

[tv]

I know. As I recall some discounted poor Sydney's 911 call where she was sobbing about her Dad being an ***#### & chalked that up to a hysterical teenager. I suppose that was Nicole's fault too :rolleyes:Of course it's her fault too. He's been raising those kids alone since she had the nerve to get herself killed. Wonder what made Sydney say he doesn't love any of his kids?

[William Anthony]

IMO, whenever you go into a situation infuriated, with reinforcements and guns, anything can be expected to happen. Once Simpson started on his ill-advised coarse of action there were too many variables for him to be able to predict what would happen. I believe he may have thought no one would call the police and I'm sure he didn't know he was being taped. He should have learned from the murders that even though you're in physical control you can't control everything.

If he really thought he'd been wronged, and the items were legally his, why didn't he involve the police? Some people say it's because he didn't think the police would do anything to help him. However, that didn't stop him when he called the police on his girlfriend -- the esteemed Ms. Prody. IMO, the answer is because he knew the items could legally be claimed by Mr. Goldman.

I don't agree that this doesn't show a propensity for violent behavior. I'd say this is over-the-line behavior for all law-abiding citizens. I'll agree with your characterizing it as a ridiculous example of street justice but I'll add to that OJ Simpson's sense of entitlement. :)

Did he go into the situation hoping to hide his recovered valuables from the Goldmans, thinking the alleged thieves would not go to the police-probably. Was he led to this course of action-let's wait and see. Did he believe that there was safety in numbers-proably. Did he know that members, who he asked to help him had guns-let's wait and see. Did his use of the language he allegedly used have a pragmatic effect-probably. Did he choose the right course of action, if he chose it-no. Does the language show a propensity to violence, which was the gist of my post-no. I do not know what the murders have to do with this crime, other than it reinforces the belief that he was the murderer, :). This is exactly my point. Some look to lanugage, without considering why the language was use to connect it to the murders, which expresses my concern that he may not get a fair trial on this case.

[kjb19500]

Did he go into the situation hoping to hide his recovered valuables from the Goldmans, thinking the alleged thieves would not go to the police-probably. Was he led to this course of action-let's wait and see. Did he believe that there was safety in numbers-proably. Did he know that members, who he asked to help him had guns-let's wait and see. Did his use of the language he allegedly used have a pragmatic effect-probably. Did he choose the right course of action, if he chose it-no. Does the language show a propensity to violence, which was the gist of my post-no. I do not know what the murders have to do with this crime, other than it reinforces the belief that he was the murderer, :). This is exactly my point. Some look to lanugage, without considering why the language was use to connect it to the murders, which expresses my concern that he may not get a fair trial on this case.

Does it matter if he knew there were guns in the room? He went along willingly to take back objects that may or may not have belonged to him. In most states the use of a weapon to commit a crime falls on everyone charged with the crime; ignorance, as they say, is no excuse. As far as the language and potential for violence, if I knew Simpson's reputation for violence (as well as that of the other men, since apparently they all knew each other) I'd be doing and saying everything I could to defuse the situation, which is apparently what the accusers were doing.

[martin II]

Does it matter if he knew there were guns in the room? He went along willingly to take back objects that may or may not have belonged to him. In most states the use of a weapon to commit a crime falls on everyone charged with the crime; ignorance, as they say, is no excuse. As far as the language and potential for violence, if I knew Simpson's reputation for violence (as well as that of the other men, since apparently they all knew each other) I'd be doing and saying everything I could to defuse the situation, which is apparently what the accusers were doing.

riccio gave him a written list of his goods that he said would be in the room so oj had a reason to expect that they would be there. I don't think he knew anyone would bring a gun but since he was with them it may not matter.

I read this account
oj asked two people to help him carry the goods from the room. These two later informed him they were running late or may not make it. so oj asked two guys at the weeding party and they agreed. when oj and last two guys arrived in the parking lot of the hotel, the original two that was running last.
This is how the number went from two guys to four.

What i don't know is oj being heard on the tape saying "no one leaves the room" equals to kidnapping when challanged.

What i am currently thinking about is the initial media reports that P Spector had put a gun to this womans mouth and pulled the trigger. i thought guilty. i did not have the details and had not heard the defense presentation.
now the prosecution could not convince the jury that he did what he was charged with.
so we will have to wait and see in this new case imo.

martin II

[martin II]

Of course it's her fault too. He's been raising those kids alone since she had the nerve to get herself killed. Wonder what made Sydney say he doesn't love any of his kids?

it is my understanding that on that evening sydney wanted to go to some party and oj had said no and she became upset.I think it happens frequently with some teenagers since most know thay can call le and complain against their parents for what they believe is important.

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

I think that you have misunderstood my point. Some seem to take the words uttered on the tape as a sign of Simpson's violent tendencies. I was saying that the words alone do not show his violent nature, as I do not think many of us would act calmly in a situation where our property was stolen from us and was in the hands of the alleged thief, who was in our presence. I think I said it my original posts that I did not approve of the decision but, once it was made, rightly or wrongly, by Simpson or someone else, the time for politeness had passed. One could say that it passed at the time of the original theft.

William

No William, in your original post you did not say that you did not approve but rather you said "I am not saying Simpson was right in the manner he handled the situation."

What that says to me is that you're not saying that it was right but you're not saying that it's wrong either.

His words alone aren't what we're all fussing about here either William. We're talking about holding human beings at gunpoint and threatening their well being. That is violent, and I'm astounded that you could believ otherwise.

Kate

[Jayme K]

I myself have on occasion verbally gone off when I felt I was being used, taken advantage of, or in the case of OJ his property being sold for profit by his friends.

Would my shouting at thieves make me a vicious murderer, capable of anything after I was acquitted of a crime?

Next time you lose it and start shouting, remember we are all vulnerable human beings and have emotions and react to situations because of these emotions! For instance, emotions on these boards for people we will never personally know!

Well huh - do you act like you're gonna shoot them too if they don't cooperate?

[tv]

I think that you have misunderstood my point. Some seem to take the words uttered on the tape as a sign of Simpson's violent tendencies. I was saying that the words alone do not show his violent nature, as I do not think many of us would act calmly in a situation where our property was stolen from us and was in the hands of the alleged thief, who was in our presence. I think I said it my original posts that I did not approve of the decision but, once it was made, rightly or wrongly, by Simpson or someone else, the time for politeness had passed. One could say that it passed at the time of the original theft.

WilliamWilliam, are you saying once Simpson chose that course of action that it was 'in for a penny, in for a pound' as the old saying goes?

Curse words alone don't prove a violent nature but when the words order people not to leave a room they become violent. You say the time for politeness passed at the time of the original theft. It was my understanding the items were taken at Simpson's request to keep Fred Goldman from getting them which, if true, makes him the original thief.

[Jayme K]

it is my understanding that on that evening sydney wanted to go to some party and oj had said no and she became upset.I think it happens frequently with some teenagers since most know thay can call le and complain against their parents for what they believe is important.

martin II

The words "happens frequently" come up alot with you when you defend O.J. Simpson.

Is it okay to abuse children in your eyes too because of the fact that it "happens frequently"?

God.

[Jayme K]

William, are you saying once Simpson chose that course of action that it was 'in for a penny, in for a pound' as the old saying goes?

Curse words alone don't prove a violent nature but when the words order people not to leave a room they become violent. You say the time for politeness passed at the time of the original theft. It was my understanding the items were taken at Simpson's request to keep Fred Goldman from getting them which, if true, makes him the original thief.

:beer: :beer: :)

[martin II]

The words "happens frequently" come up alot with you when you defend O.J. Simpson.

Is it okay to abuse children in your eyes too because of the fact that it "happens frequently"?

God.



:seeya:
martin II

[Jayme K]

:seeya:
martin II

Yeah, I noticed that "happens frequently" alot with you too when someone calls you out.

[Riviera]

Let's stop with the personal insults and get back on topic please----> O.J. In The News Again

Thank you
R

[weezer]

Simpson game balls, photos, neckties among evidence seized in Las Vegas hotel robbery

http://www.courttv.com/trials/oj-simpson/092707_ctv.html

[socaldiva]

it is my understanding that on that evening sydney wanted to go to some party and oj had said no and she became upset.I think it happens frequently with some teenagers since most know thay can call le and complain against their parents for what they believe is important.

martin II

Most teenagers don't call the police sobbing because their parent is a **@##@# who doesn't love them & considers them verbally abusive.

As for the party excuse, I'm sure that came from Orenthal.

[socaldiva]

Here's a video of Kato declaring he's going to return everything he has that belonged to Simpson, so Simpson doesn't come after him with a gun! :biggrin:

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1184542677

[William Anthony]

William, are you saying once Simpson chose that course of action that it was 'in for a penny, in for a pound' as the old saying goes?

Curse words alone don't prove a violent nature but when the words order people not to leave a room they become violent. You say the time for politeness passed at the time of the original theft. It was my understanding the items were taken at Simpson's request to keep Fred Goldman from getting them which, if true, makes him the original thief.

I will only say that I do not know why the items were originally stolen or who stole them. I think that in the event of a trial this will all come out. I am saying that once Simpson was told where his items were and whoever told him where the people were and may or may not have suggested to Simpson that this was an opportune time to retrieve his property or the Goldman's property that the time for politely asking someone to give back the property or even suggesting that they were free to leave the room until the all property was taken back defies logical interpretation, imho. I do not see the words, which was my original response, as proof of his violent nature given the alleged circumstances surrounding the event. I still disaprove of the decision taken. Where the actions taken stupid and uncalled for-yes. Do the words he spoke show a propensity for violence under the alleged circumstances of property theft-I do not think so but they do show an intent to get the property back. I guess its true that politics make strange bed-fellows.

[tv]

Here's a video of Kato declaring he's going to return everything he has that belonged to Simpson, so Simpson doesn't come after him with a gun! :biggrin:

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1184542677Very funny, diva! :D

[tv]

I will only say that I do not know why the items were originally stolen or who stole them. I think that in the event of a trial this will all come out. I am saying that once Simpson was told where his items were and whoever told him where the people were and may or may not have suggested to Simpson that this was an opportune time to retrieve his property or the Goldman's property that the time for politely asking someone to give back the property or even suggesting that they were free to leave the room until the all property was taken back defies logical interpretation, imho. I do not see the words, which was my original response, as proof of his violent nature given the alleged circumstances surrounding the event. I still disaprove of the decision taken. Where the actions taken stupid and uncalled for-yes. Do the words he spoke show a propensity for violence under the alleged circumstances of property theft-I do not think so but they do show an intent to get the property back. I guess its true that politics make strange bed-fellows.I don't see the cursing as proof of a violent nature; it's the words that caused the cell phones to be seized and the people to be detained in the room that show a tendency to violence. We'll have to see what evidence is presented by both sides at trial. You say 'in the event of a trial...'. Are you in doubt that there is going to be a trial?

[martin II]

william

There has been unclear media reports as to the issue of the cell phones.A initial report from one of the guys was that the phones 'WERE TAKEN" A later report by one of the guys says the phones were left on the bed in the room. i did not save either of these media reports but have wondered which is correct.

martin II

[Heyes]

IMO, whenever you go into a situation infuriated, with reinforcements and guns, anything can be expected to happen. Once Simpson started on his ill-advised coarse of action there were too many variables for him to be able to predict what would happen. I believe he may have thought no one would call the police and I'm sure he didn't know he was being taped. He should have learned from the murders that even though you're in physical control you can't control everything.

If he really thought he'd been wronged, and the items were legally his, why didn't he involve the police? Some people say it's because he didn't think the police would do anything to help him. However, that didn't stop him when he called the police on his girlfriend -- the esteemed Ms. Prody. IMO, the answer is because he knew the items could legally be claimed by Mr. Goldman.

I don't agree that this doesn't show a propensity for violent behavior. I'd say this is over-the-line behavior for all law-abiding citizens. I'll agree with your characterizing it as a ridiculous example of street justice but I'll add to that OJ Simpson's sense of entitlement. :)

Maybe it's just me but having a couple of guns pointed at me as the ring leader is screaming, ......
Up against the wall.......
don't let them leave,.......
give me the phones.
I just tend to think that person is violent.
I know, silly me, he's just talking loudly and up against the wall simply means -please move over here I need to get around you.
Oh and the guns?
Heck he didn't even notice them. :rolleyes: I'm sure had simpson been aware of the guns in the room he would have stopped everything and apologized. lol lol

[William Anthony]

Maybe it's just me but having a couple of guns pointed at me as the ring leader is screaming, ......
Up against the wall.......
don't let them leave,.......
give me the phones.
I just tend to think that person is violent.
I know, silly me, he's just talking loudly and up against the wall simply means -please move over here I need to get around you.
Oh and the guns?
Heck he didn't even notice them. :rolleyes: I'm sure had simpson been aware of the guns in the room he would have stopped everything and apologized. lol lol

Would you say that the police were violent if they acted in the same way?

[William Anthony]

I don't see the cursing as proof of a violent nature; it's the words that caused the cell phones to be seized and the people to be detained in the room that show a tendency to violence. We'll have to see what evidence is presented by both sides at trial. You say 'in the event of a trial...'. Are you in doubt that there is going to be a trial?

I think there will more than likely be a trial. However, nothing in what was assumed by some on this board to be an open and shut case as to Simpson's guilt surprises me. I see the ordering of people to move to the wall and the taking away of cell phones, as a means of self protection and a way not to have a situation esculate into extreme violence. In fact, speaking as an aspiring lawyer, one may say that Simpson took steps to minimize the violence. I wonder, if Simpson had police training or did he learn these procedures in movie roles where he played police officers, :).

[William Anthony]

Maybe it's just me but having a couple of guns pointed at me as the ring leader is screaming, ......
Up against the wall.......
don't let them leave,.......
give me the phones.
I just tend to think that person is violent.
I know, silly me, he's just talking loudly and up against the wall simply means -please move over here I need to get around you.
Oh and the guns?
Heck he didn't even notice them. :rolleyes: I'm sure had simpson been aware of the guns in the room he would have stopped everything and apologized. lol lol

I related a person incident in which plain clothes police stuck a gun to my head after forcing me to the ground and then asked me where the gun was. I told them it was pointed to my head. After verifying my story and searching me, one of the officers tried to say he could arrest me for vagrancy. I had enough knowledge of the law at that time to know he could not and explained it to him. While the officers discontinued their assault, not one of them apologized for their behavior, go figure.

[socaldiva]

Very funny, diva! :D

I'm glad you liked it. My favorite was Kato looking into the crazy 8 ball belonging to Simpson & saying "future looks hazy" :biggrin:

[martin II]

I think there will more than likely be a trial. However, nothing in what was assumed by some on this board to be an open and shut case as to Simpson's guilt surprises me. I see the ordering of people to move to the wall and the taking away of cell phones, as a means of self protection and a way not to have a situation esculate into extreme violence. In fact, speaking as an aspiring lawyer, one may say that Simpson took steps to minimize the violence. I wonder, if Simpson had police training or did he learn these procedures in movie roles where he played police officers, :).

william

they don't understand
Oj telling the two thiefs to get over by the wall and put your cell phones on the bed could be seen as CROWD CONTROL.It could have been a way to keep the two seperate and prevent violence from taking place which did not as one of the 'VICTIMS" asked oj 'We good right?

I am thinking if one of us came home and found a thief in the bedroom with a hand full of jewels he was stealing, one might be inclined to pull out the house gun and give a "drop my ***** jewels m****** order "or i will plug you".
hahaha

martin II

[martin II]

Would you say that the police were violent if they acted in the same way?

Talking about violence.
Yesterday at a protest demostration, the cops had handcuffed this white girl. she asked for his badge number.she said he picked her up and slammed her to the grown. since her hands were cuffed she was not able use her arms to break her fall and she landed directly on her face.she was arrested and charged with resisting arrest or something like that. Some would give this cop the benefit of the doubt.

martin II

[socaldiva]

william

they don't understand
Oj telling the two thiefs to get over by the wall and put your cell phones on the bed could be seen as CROWD CONTROL.It could have been a way to keep the two seperate and prevent violence from taking place which did not as one of the 'VICTIMS" asked oj 'We good right?

I am thinking if one of us came home and found a thief in the bedroom with a hand full of jewels he was stealing, one might be inclined to pull out the house gun and give a "drop my ***** jewels m****** order "or i will plug you".
hahaha

martin II

Now Orenthal is doing "CROWD CONTROL"? GMAB!

You don't see the difference between coming home to someone robbing your home & bursting into a hotel room with thugs & guns?

hahahaha is right

[martin II]

it is my understanding that the whole event lasted about 5-7 minutes.
Although oj was yelling, his focus seemed to be identifying his goods and getting them in boxes.

martin II

[William Anthony]

william

they don't understand
Oj telling the two thiefs to get over by the wall and put your cell phones on the bed could be seen as CROWD CONTROL.It could have been a way to keep the two seperate and prevent violence from taking place which did not as one of the 'VICTIMS" asked oj 'We good right?

I am thinking if one of us came home and found a thief in the bedroom with a hand full of jewels he was stealing, one might be inclined to pull out the house gun and give a "drop my ***** jewels m****** order "or i will plug you".
hahaha

martin II

Martin,

No, you are to say. I am sorry that I did not send you an invitation to visit my home. Let me make this up to you. Sit down, let me pour you a drink and prepare something to eat. Please, take my valuables as a repayment of my discourtesy. yeah, right!:)

[socaldiva]

Talking about violence.
Yesterday at a protest demostration, the cops had handcuffed this white girl. she asked for his badge number.she said he picked her up and slammed her to the grown. since her hands were cuffed she was not able use her arms to break her fall and she landed directly on her face.she was arrested and charged with resisting arrest or something like that. Some would give this cop the benefit of the doubt.

martin II

Why are you posting this generic instance here without a link & why are you referring to the girl as a "white girl"?

Also, I think you have your threads mixed up. Looks like you are talking about police corruption & there is a thread for that.

[socaldiva]

it is my understanding that the whole event lasted about 5-7 minutes.
Although oj was yelling, his focus seemed to be identifying his goods and getting them in boxes.

martin II

That's longer than it took Orental to butcher 2 human beings. A lot of damage can be done in 5-7 minutes :(

[William Anthony]

I heard there were thugs in the room when Simpson entered. I did not know that the thug alleged victims had guns, but it is not surprising that they would.

[William Anthony]

Martin,

What damage was done in 5-7 minutes? Oh yes, some alleged thieves were frightened.

[socaldiva]

Apparently 5-7 minutes is all it took for Orenthal to rack up 11 charges, which include kidnapping, armed robbery & assault with a deadly weapon ;)

[William Anthony]

Martin,

I was asking you what damage, i.e. harm was done to individuals, since it was said that Simpson murdered two people, even though he was acquitted of those charges, and not what LE charge him with, since he had been proven not guilty of the murder charges, which means that the charges have nothing to do with the damage unless the evidence can prove damage.

[socaldiva]

The damages were proven in the civil trial, that's why he was found liable.

[martin II]

Martin,

What damage was done in 5-7 minutes? Oh yes, some alleged thieves were frightened.

I think both of these thiefs are lucky and pleased that the guy with the gun did not WHACK both across the head with the gun butt as he left the room for good measure or that oj did not smack them across the face with those very large hands.

At any rate i think both were surprised that they were treated kindly. I had a big laugh when i heard one guy sitting on the bed next to oj's stuff and asked
"oj we good right" Talking about a a** kisser.

On review, oj handeled himself quite well. Some people may not have heard cuss words before and see this as extreme behavior. But in reality it was just a mild gathering of some men to get back and give back some goods that did not belong to the thiefs that stole the goods who were cought trying to sell
to a buyer they did not know.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Martin,

What damage was done in 5-7 minutes? Oh yes, some alleged thieves were frightened.

No damage what so ever other than both may have been deprived of having another drink from the mini bar for 5 minutes or did not think to bring a change of underwear when they left home.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

We don't know if the two thiefs had guns but did not have a chance to draw then now do we.

martin II

[WarmNCozy]

I think both of these thiefs are lucky and pleased that the guy with the gun did not WHACK both across the head with the gun butt as he left the room for good measure or that oj did not smack them across the face with those very large hands.

At any rate i think both were surprised that they were treated kindly. I had a big laugh when i heard one guy sitting on the bed next to oj's stuff and asked
"oj we good right" Talking about a a** kisser.

On review, oj handeled himself quite well. Some people may not have heard cuss words before and see this as extreme behavior. But in reality it was just a mild gathering of some men to get back and give back some goods that did not belong to the thiefs that stole the goods who were cought trying to sell
to a buyer they did not know.

imo
martin II

The OJ haters become sillier and sillier with each passing day! Nothing will change that! Every movement by this man will be made to reflect back on the trial -- accused does not mean innocent until proven guilty?????

And acquitted means doesn't mean a trial should never should have been?????

[socaldiva]

The OJ haters become sillier and sillier with each passing day! Nothing will change that! Every movement by this man will be made to reflect back on the trial -- accused does not mean innocent until proven guilty?????

And acquitted means doesn't mean a trial should never should have been?????

Nothing is sillier than the constant excuses proffered by the OJ lovers for his atrocious behavior ;)

As for the second sentence, I can't even make sense of that. "means doesn't mean"? :shrug: :tongue:

[William Anthony]

The OJ haters become sillier and sillier with each passing day! Nothing will change that! Every movement by this man will be made to reflect back on the trial -- accused does not mean innocent until proven guilty?????

And acquitted means doesn't mean a trial should never should have been?????

I remain convinced that a person deserves to be presumed, even labled, innocent until proven guilty. In a trial, the burden of proof is divided into the burden of production and the burden of persuassion. Judging from what I saw of the criminal trial, it was one that never shoud have been .

[tv]

I think both of these thiefs are lucky and pleased that the guy with the gun did not WHACK both across the head with the gun butt as he left the room for good measure or that oj did not smack them across the face with those very large hands.

At any rate i think both were surprised that they were treated kindly. I had a big laugh when i heard one guy sitting on the bed next to oj's stuff and asked
"oj we good right" Talking about a a** kisser.

On review, oj handeled himself quite well. Some people may not have heard cuss words before and see this as extreme behavior. But in reality it was just a mild gathering of some men to get back and give back some goods that did not belong to the thiefs that stole the goods who were cought trying to sell
to a buyer they did not know.

imo
martin II

martin, a mild gathering of men?? What alternate reality do you live in? :eek:

You think people have prejudged OJ Simpson's actions and role in this incident yet you are ready to jump on the idea idea that the victims obtained the goods illegally just because Simpson says so. If he asked that the items to be removed from his home to keep Fred Goldman from getting them then they weren't stolen.

[tv]

Nothing is sillier than the constant excuses proffered by the OJ lovers for his atrocious behavior ;)

As for the second sentence, I can't even make sense of that. "means doesn't mean"? :shrug: :tongue:I'm also trying to figure that one out. Does it mean because he was found not guilty there should never have been a trial? How are we to determine if there needs to be a trial? Oh, that's right...that's one reason we have grand juries and preliminary hearings.

[tv]

We don't know if the two thiefs had guns but did not have a chance to draw then now do we.

martin IINow you're making things up as you go along. I haven't heard one report that anyone else had a gun. You're going to keep twisting it until OJ Simpson was the one held at gunpoint and his cell phone confiscated. :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

I'm also trying to figure that one out. Does it mean because he was found not guilty there should never have been a trial? How are we to determine if there needs to be a trial? Oh, that's right...that's one reason we have grand juries and preliminary hearings.

Tv,

I took the post to be speaking of the prosecutorial farce that was displayed. I think the posters remarks could have been made in regard to the public outcry over the verdict. To me the trial was a waste of taxpayer dollars, as the prosecution did not meet its burden of production or persuassion, imho. It is amaziing that those on the loosing side seemed to have prospered so much, through books, tv appearances, and tv positions. No, I am not making fun of your nic.:), just tired of typing homework, today.

[tv]

Tv,

I took the post to be speaking of the prosecutorial farce that was displayed. I think the posters remarks could have been made in regard to the public outcry over the verdict. To me the trial was a waste of taxpayer dollars, as the prosecution did not meet its burden of production or persuassion, imho. It is amaziing that those on the loosing side seemed to have prospered so much, through books, tv appearances, and tv positions. No, I am not making fun of your nic.:), just tired of typing homework, today.That's okay, William, you can make fun of my nic...I make fun of it myself sometimes but I'm stuck with it. :)

A judge decided that the People of CA had enough evidence to try OJ Simpson for the murders. By your statement it appears that you think any trial that results in a not guilty verdict is a waste of time and money. Very interesting position.

As for the money-making in the aftermath of the trial, that's a sign of the times as evidenced by other celebrity cases in the news. For the record, I'm not including the Goldman and Brown families in that assessment.

I think there was plenty of farce on the side of the defense; Johnny Chchran wearing the knit cap immediately comes to mind. :)

[martin II]

Now you're making things up as you go along. I haven't heard one report that anyone else had a gun. You're going to keep twisting it until OJ Simpson was the one held at gunpoint and his cell phone confiscated. :rolleyes:

tv

No one knows if the thiefs had a gun and was not able to show it as the event only lasted a few minutes and they were outnumberd . Considering the history of the thiefs it is not unthinkable that one may have had a gun to protect the goods they were illegally selling. i am sure they would not have volunteered to admit this to le after everything was over and if they did not have the chance to pull one out, we do not know if they had one.Period.

imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

That's okay, William, you can make fun of my nic...I make fun of it myself sometimes but I'm stuck with it. :)

A judge decided that the People of CA had enough evidence to try OJ Simpson for the murders. By your statement it appears that you think any trial that results in a not guilty verdict is a waste of time and money. Very interesting position.

As for the money-making in the aftermath of the trial, that's a sign of the times as evidenced by other celebrity cases in the news. For the record, I'm not including the Goldman and Brown families in that assessment.

I think there was plenty of farce on the side of the defense; Johnny Chchran wearing the knit cap immediately comes to mind. :)

yes, that judge did decide that but I do not think JC was actively involved in the case at that time, which does not mean that the judge would not have found there was enough evidence for a trial if he was. I think the judge would rue the decision he made, if he watched the way the prosecution presented the evidence and tried to persuade the jury. I did not include the families in my statement either.

As for the knit cap, I think it showed the ridiculousness of the prosecution's assertion that Simpson wore it as a disguise. I found it to be a comical yet effective demonstrative illustration of that ridiculous assertion.