O.J. In The News Again

[William Anthony]

I tried googling that but I couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

No, but I have it from a reliable source, who wants me to maintain his confidentiality. :)

[William Anthony]

you're welcome although I doubt it did any good. we know that with william that when it comes to winning, the truth be damned! :eek:

I almost thought you were speaking of me, until I saw "william".

[weezer]

No, but I have it from a reliable source, who wants me to maintain his confidentiality. :)

like I said. . .

[tv]

No, but I have it from a reliable source, who wants me to maintain his confidentiality. :)I understand. ;)

[William Anthony]

I understand. ;)

Thanks. :)

[Big Ben]

I get that it's supposed to be a matter of public record, I'm just asking why it would matter if the criminal charges he's got are things like drunk driving or traffic violations-would you consider those things related to his murder? I do know he had bench warrants for failing to appear in court on traffic violations.

If I recall, there was discussion about the protection code that you're talking about and and that code protects more than just files on informants/snitches. I'll look it up.

It is possible that his conduct regarding the known traffic violations may have been relevant to why he was killed. As the investigator points out in "Serpents Rising", the documentary, Ron stated that he was cocky on a televised game show questionaire. His father speaks about his cockiness, his ambivalence towards responsibility in regard to monetary obligations, promises, and commitments, in his book His Name Is Ron. The blatant disregard for the judges orders who gave him a break in the inital case 91C00362 and for 3 and 1/2 years his failing to show up for repeated arraingment, after receiving these breaks, is perplexing. Seven other, and some "major" traffic violations occurred in Ventura County while outstanding arrest warrants were still active for his arrest in the L.A. County; case 91C00362. Yet, Ron continued with a sense of impunity to disregard the law, and when finally apprehended, given no significant jail time; admittedly this is perplexing and creates a natural curiosity to examine his case file background even further. We've long been aware of allegations relative to Ron's involvement in drug trafficking, I haven't reviewed his criminal case file, therfore I cannot confirm the allegations.

However, I can say this with confidene, that if he was involved in the illicit drug business and brought a cocky attitude along with an ambivalent attitude towards his obligations in the world of narcotics, he was potentially writing his own death warrant. Furthermore, if he was involved in drug trafficking and those that were dealing with him found out that he was snitching, he might as well have been nailing his own coffin shut. Killers in California are hired daily to conduct the business of killing other people that step out of line.

If his case file is full of traffic violations then it is for me to observe and say that "the Goldman file is full of traffic violations", not for someone else to forcefully restrict and assert that I must take what they have told me and accept what they say as the truth. We don't conduct investigations like that! Based upon the continous record of malfeasance in the L.A. LE community, as an investigator, I am certainly not willing to concede to a premise that "I don't need to see the records because officers of the court say that what is inside the case file is simply a non-issue". That's our major criticism of the news media, the so called trustees of the fourth estate. It is their reporting which has influenced so much of what you seem to believe; imo, they've simply done inadequate or no due diligence at all!

You are accurate that the statutory code, section 6254, contains several exemptions. It is written like a legislative omnibus bill, literally a page full of words, with no periods, a thousand commas, and everything but the kitchen sink thrown into the body of the text. I have found over the years that these statutory structures are commonly written to hide things, usually financial ear marks and other political pork. Here, however, they are using it, imo, at 6254(f) to covertly provide the statutory authority to exempt confidential informants records from public scrutiny.

The problem is that even in the event that you are right and I am wrong, the fact that the LA Law Enforcement community has perpetuated such a willful effort to deny our formal requests to examine Goldman's criminal file pursuant to a statute, whose inclusive language protects the records of confidential informants, only opens the door wider for further speculation that Ron was probably the intended target based upon allegations of his involvement in the illicit narcotics business.

Therefore, if the file is as innoculous as your question seems to imply, and full of minor petty misdemeanors, then if I were in their shoes I would certainly make Goldman's criminal case file available for public scrutiny, as all criminal records are supposed to be. I would do this so as not to draw any further attention to any other potential malfeasance that I was involved in. I'd do it in order to dispel the natural inclination that many observers have in regard to believing that someone is hiding something relative to the OJ Simpson criminal matter.

[martin II]

It is possible that his conduct regarding the known traffic violations may have been relevant to why he was killed. As the investigator points out in "Serpents Rising", the documentary, Ron stated that he was cocky on a televised game show questionaire. His father speaks about his cockiness, his ambivalence towards responsibility in regard to monetary obligations, promises, and commitments, in his book His Name Is Ron. The blatant disregard for the judges orders who gave him a break in the inital case 91C00362 and for 3 and 1/2 years his failing to show up for repeated arraingment, after receiving these breaks, is perplexing. Seven other, and some "major" traffic violations occurred in Ventura County while outstanding arrest warrants were still active for his arrest in the L.A. County; case 91C00362. Yet, Ron continued with a sense of impunity to disregard the law, and when finally apprehended, given no significant jail time; admittedly this is perplexing and creates a natural curiosity to examine his case file background even further. We've long been aware of allegations relative to Ron's involvement in drug trafficking, I haven't reviewed his criminal case file, therfore I cannot confirm the allegations.

However, I can say this with confidene, that if he was involved in the illicit drug business and brought a cocky attitude along with an ambivalent attitude towards his obligations in the world of narcotics, he was potentially writing his own death warrant. Furthermore, if he was involved in drug trafficking and those that were dealing with him found out that he was snitching, he might as well have been nailing his own coffin shut. Killers in California are hired daily to conduct the business of killing other people that step out of line.

If his case file is full of traffic violations then it is for me to observe and say that "the Goldman file is full of traffic violations", not for someone else to forcefully restrict and assert that I must take what they have told me and accept what they say as the truth. We don't conduct investigations like that! Based upon the continous record of malfeasance in the L.A. LE community, as an investigator, I am certainly not willing to concede to a premise that "I don't need to see the records because officers of the court say that what is inside the case file is simply a non-issue". That's our major criticism of the news media, the so called trustees of the fourth estate. It is their reporting which has influenced so much of what you seem to believe; imo, they've simply done inadequate or no due diligence at all!

You are accurate that the statutory code, section 6254, contains several exemptions. It is written like a legislative omnibus bill, literally a page full of words, with no periods, a thousand commas, and everything but the kitchen sink thrown into the body of the text. I have found over the years that these statutory structures are commonly written to hide things, usually financial ear marks and other political pork. Here, however, they are using it, imo, at 6254(f) to covertly provide the statutory authority to exempt confidential informants records from public scrutiny.

The problem is that even in the event that you are right and I am wrong, the fact that the LA Law Enforcement community has perpetuated such a willful effort to deny our formal requests to examine Goldman's criminal file pursuant to a statute, whose inclusive language protects the records of confidential informants, only opens the door wider for further speculation that Ron was probably the intended target based upon allegations of his involvement in the illicit narcotics business.

Therefore, if the file is as innoculous as your question seems to imply, and full of minor petty misdemeanors, then if I were in their shoes I would certainly make Goldman's criminal case file available for public scrutiny, as all criminal records are supposed to be. I would do this so as not to draw any further attention to any other potential malfeasance that I was involved in. I'd do it in order to dispel the natural inclination that many observers have in regard to believing that someone is hiding something relative to the OJ Simpson criminal matter.


A private investigator hired by Shaperio sp reported that Ron and Nicole were over their heads in Drug debt around Brentwood.

[One2Snoop]

No, it's judge Judie Glass but you are right about the rest.

According to Lexis/Nexis...

Jacalyn Glass
Admitted: 1984, Nevada; 1985, U.S. District Court, District of Nevada
Law School: University of San Diego, J.D.
College: University of Georgia, B.A.
ISLN: 907067373

According to Judge Judy's website....

Judge Judith Sheindlin aka Judge Judy
Practiced in the State of New York - retired 1996
Signed on with CBS in 1996
More about Judge Judy on her website -

http://www.judgejudy.com/#/profilesofjustice

I couldn't find a Judy, Judie or Judith Glass. :shrug:

[weezer]

A private investigator hired by Shaperio sp reported that Ron and Nicole were over their heads in Drug debt around Brentwood.

and yet, on the night they were murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman had no traces of drugs in their systems -- only their murderer did: orenthal james simpson. :shrug:

[weezer]

According to Lexis/Nexis...

Jacalyn Glass
Admitted: 1984, Nevada; 1985, U.S. District Court, District of Nevada
Law School: University of San Diego, J.D.
College: University of Georgia, B.A.
ISLN: 907067373

According to Judge Judy's website....

Judge Judith Sheindlin aka Judge Judy
Practiced in the State of New York - retired 1996
Signed on with CBS in 1996
More about Judge Judy on her website -

http://www.judgejudy.com/#/profilesofjustice

I couldn't find a Judy, Judie or Judith Glass. :shrug:

thank you for the research. like I said. . .

[martin II]

and yet, on the night they were murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman had no traces of drugs in their systems -- only their murderer did: orenthal james simpson. :shrug:

Most drug dealers don't use up their own product. They sell the product for money.

[weezer]

Most drug dealers don't use up their own product. They sell the product for money.

if there was any proof of this hateful, vengeful lie that you have continued to repeat over the years, post it. and please, for goodness sakes, don't say 'some have said' or 'an investigator for' --

[Big Ben]

and yet, on the night they were murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman had no traces of drugs in their systems -- only their murderer did: orenthal james simpson. :shrug:

Some of the most insidious drug dealers that run successful illicit drug operations wouldn't touch the stuff. The drugs are for sale to addicts and pleasure users. However, given the lies told by the L.A. Medical Examiner brought on to replace Golden I wouldn't be surprised that he would find no traces of drugs in their system. Too bad he couldn't find his way to participate in the actual autopsies or find his way out to 875 South Bundy until six months after the murders took place. So I'm not surprised, Weezer.

[weezer]

Some of the most insidious drug dealers that run successful illicit drug operations wouldn't touch the stuff. The drugs are for sale to addicts and pleasure users. However, given the lies told by the L.A. Medical Examiner brought on to replace Golden I wouldn't be surprised that he would find no traces of drugs in their system. Too bad he couldn't find his way to participate in the actual autopsies or find his way out to 875 South Bundy until six months after the murders took place. So I'm not surprised, Weezer.

I continue to implore you to up your med dosage. Idiot! :flamemad:

[martin II]

if there was any proof of this hateful, vengeful lie that you have continued to repeat over the years, post it. and please, for goodness sakes, don't say 'some have said' or 'an investigator for' --



You never knew ron or nicole so you have no knowledge of what they did prior to being killed by someone
So you need to stop acting as if you are an expert on either.
this has been posted befoe.

[martin II]

I continue to implore you to up your med dosage. Idiot! :flamemad:

Seems to me you need to lower your meds as you may be close a OD. HAHAHA

[Big Ben]

I continue to implore you to up your med dosage. Idiot! :flamemad:


What is idiotic, Weezer, about drug dealers being sellers of their product as opposed to being users of their product. Why do I need to take any meds about drug dealers selling instead of using their product. Anybody with a lick of common sense is aware that such does occur out in these streets of the good old U.S. of A.

[weezer]

martin and ben, the two of you have for years bashed the victims and their families with no proof of your outrageous and hateful lies. martin, I've always chalked your bashing simply out to racial hatred. And ben -- who knows except 'some' have ventured to guess that you are simply insane.

[martin II]

martin and ben, the two of you have for years bashed the victims and their families with no proof of your outrageous and hateful lies. martin, I've always chalked your bashing simply out to racial hatred. And ben -- who knows except 'some' have ventured to guess that you are simply insane.

weezer
for some time the racist tag has belonged to you and you wear it quite well.:seeya:

[martin II]

martin and ben, the two of you have for years bashed the victims and their families with no proof of your outrageous and hateful lies. martin, I've always chalked your bashing simply out to racial hatred. And ben -- who knows except 'some' have ventured to guess that you are simply insane.

You may want to consider taking a few less of those ups.They can be dangerous make you talk all out of your head like now.:cool:

[William Anthony]

According to Lexis/Nexis...

Jacalyn Glass
Admitted: 1984, Nevada; 1985, U.S. District Court, District of Nevada
Law School: University of San Diego, J.D.
College: University of Georgia, B.A.
ISLN: 907067373

According to Judge Judy's website....

Judge Judith Sheindlin aka Judge Judy
Practiced in the State of New York - retired 1996
Signed on with CBS in 1996
More about Judge Judy on her website -

http://www.judgejudy.com/#/profilesofjustice

I couldn't find a Judy, Judie or Judith Glass. :shrug:

http://wordpress.com/tag/judge-judy-glass/

[weezer]

You may want to consider taking a few less of those ups.They can be dangerous make you talk all out of your head like now.:cool:

now you're mimicking ben? geez martin, have you ever had an original thought? :punch:

[Big Ben]

martin and ben, the two of you have for years bashed the victims and their families with no proof of your outrageous and hateful lies. martin, I've always chalked your bashing simply out to racial hatred. And ben -- who knows except 'some' have ventured to guess that you are simply insane.

You're a lying skink, Weezer. Don't hit me through Martin, or slyly call me what you want, bring it to me. I know you're a liar and you're too lazy and/or to afraid to examine what is on the public record. Anything that I said about that Gold digging Goldman is on the public record and I stand by it. Take your lazy behind down to the archive department of the library an do something with your hands other than feeding your nasty mouth.

[martin II]

now you're mimicking ben? geez martin, have you ever had an original thought? :punch:

Again, you try to present your knowledge of ron and nicole as you were pals and you knew all of what they did or did not do. When in fact you know nothing about either. Ron and nicole never appointed you as their protector so stop acting as if they did.

take it easy on those ups, they can be harmful.

[martin II]

now you're mimicking ben? geez martin, have you ever had an original thought? :punch:

1. You are a foul mouth insensitive person.
2. You are nuts.

Thats two for you.

[weezer]

Again, you try to present your knowledge of ron and nicole as you were pals and you knew all of what they did or did not do. When in fact you know nothing about either. Ron and nicole never appointed you as their protector so stop acting as if they did.

take it easy on those ups, they can be harmful.

I don't pretend to have personal knowledge of either Ron or Nicole but I do know that the bashing you do is not based on anything other than your irrational hatred. BTW, it and always has been against the rules of this board to bash the victims. :punch:

[martin II]

I don't pretend to have personal knowledge of either Ron or Nicole but I do know that the bashing you do is not based on anything other than your irrational hatred. BTW, it and always has been against the rules of this board to bash the victims. :punch:

Telling the truth is not bashing. You need to read court testimony of F Resnick and C F as it relates to drug involvement of Nicole.:cool:

[tv]

You're a lying skink, Weezer. Don't hit me through Martin, or slyly call me what you want, bring it to me. I know you're a liar and you're too lazy and/or to afraid to examine what is on the public record. Anything that I said about that Gold digging Goldman is on the public record and I stand by it. Take your lazy behind down to the archive department of the library an do something with your hands other than feeding your nasty mouth.

Big Ben, if you know what's on his record and you've seen it why don't you tell us? I remember going to the video you were promoting and there was only a teaser showing what appeared to be some kind of legal document. If this is so important and will blow the case wide open why don't you share with us?

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't respond to this post with name calling and character assassination.

[Kate Sachel]

A private investigator hired by Shaperio sp reported that Ron and Nicole were over their heads in Drug debt around Brentwood.

Can you please supply a link to this information that also contains proof obtained by the private investigator regarding Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown being in drug debt around Brentwood?

Kindly,
Kate

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson Separated From Other Inmates
By Ken Lee

Originally posted Wednesday December 10, 2008 05:45 PM EST
O.J. Simpson

O.J. Simpson has been largely separated from other inmates for his own protection as he sits in a 6-by-9 cell while awaiting transfer to a Nevada prison.

"You don't know who might take a pot shot at Mr. Simpson," said Suzanne Pardee, a spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Corrections, who stressed the separation is routine procedure for all new inmates.

Simpson, 61, sentenced Friday to at least nine years for armed robbery and kidnapping, is currently at the medium-security High Desert State Prison, 40 minutes north of Las Vegas.

The ex-football star is undergoing three weeks of medical and psychological testing to determine which of the seven Nevada prisons he'll be permanently placed.

For now, Simpson gets a desolate view of a parched landscape through a tiny slit of a window, and is allowed only one hour of recreation per day in an outdoor yard. He gets two hot meals a day, and one in a sack, Pardee said.

Simpson's only connection to the outside world is through his attorney; no one else outside the facility is permitted to have contact with him during the intake process.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245836,00.html?cnn=yes

[martin II]

Big Ben, if you know what's on his record and you've seen it why don't you tell us? I remember going to the video you were promoting and there was only a teaser showing what appeared to be some kind of legal document. If this is so important and will blow the case wide open why don't you share with us?

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't respond to this post with name calling and character assassination.

One simple question

why is it impossible to get rons public record? That seems quite strange. most public records can be obtained on the net for $49.00

[William Anthony]

As I see there is a discussion of substance occurring on this board, I will withhold my comments on offensive, harassment and ridiculous.

[weezer]

One simple question

why is it impossible to get rons public record? That seems quite strange. most public records can be obtained on the net for $49.00

that's assuming there is a 'public record'. we've seen copies of the court documents where he didn't show up and got in trouble over it. there is and has never been anything to show that Ron Goldman was a criminal except the rantings of a poster that could not/would not support his claims. imo

BTW, have you personally tried to obtain the records over the net?

[martin II]

that's assuming there is a 'public record'. we've seen copies of the court documents where he didn't show up and got in trouble over it. there is and has never been anything to show that Ron Goldman was a criminal except the rantings of a poster that could not/would not support his claims. imo

BTW, have you personally tried to obtain the records over the net?

if one selects the correct public records search engine about $49.00 for some
all public records of a person can be received.criminal, civil, all court records bankruptcy etc. unless there was a reason that a court sealed the records and normally courts do not seal records for simple traffic enfractions unless for maby a minor.

A friend of mine had a seaerch company and he worked for banks and he could search every city in America for any public record. That is before he passed away.

I have not attempted to find Rons records but obviously Big Ben has.

If ron had several traffic infractions there would be a record. If rons record is not available it is because the court has sealed it. imo

[martin II]

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell took aim at Sarah Palin and the Republican party's emphasis on small-town values during an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakharia that will air this Sunday.

Powell also says that we should rethink its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on homosexuals in the military. And he tells Republicans that they should stop listening to Rush Limbaugh:

"Can we continue to listen to Rush Limbaugh?" Powell asked. "Is this really the kind of party that we want to be when these kinds of spokespersons seem to appeal to our lesser instincts rather than our better instincts?"
As noted by Think Progress, Powell says:

Gov. Palin, to some extent, pushed the party more to the right, and I think she had something of a polarizing effect when she talked about how small town values are good. Well, most of us don't live in small towns. And I was raised in the South Bronx, and there's nothing wrong with my value system from the South Bronx.

[William Anthony]

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell took aim at Sarah Palin and the Republican party's emphasis on small-town values during an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakharia that will air this Sunday.

Powell also says that we should rethink its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on homosexuals in the military. And he tells Republicans that they should stop listening to Rush Limbaugh:

"Can we continue to listen to Rush Limbaugh?" Powell asked. "Is this really the kind of party that we want to be when these kinds of spokespersons seem to appeal to our lesser instincts rather than our better instincts?"
As noted by Think Progress, Powell says:

Gov. Palin, to some extent, pushed the party more to the right, and I think she had something of a polarizing effect when she talked about how small town values are good. Well, most of us don't live in small towns. And I was raised in the South Bronx, and there's nothing wrong with my value system from the South Bronx.

I don't want to be seen as off topic but those words, small town America, were code words, imho.

[martin II]

I don't want to be seen as off topic but those words, small town America, were code words, imho.

The problem with Palins 'SMALL TOWN ' america approach is that most people don't live in small towms. How stupid was that??

[William Anthony]

The problem with Palins 'SMALL TOWN ' america approach is that most people don't live in small towms. How stupid was that??

Desparation is the mother of stupidity, imho.

[William Anthony]

"Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.
-- "Letter from Birmingham Jail," April 16, 1963"

[martin II]

I don't want to be seen as off topic but those words, small town America, were code words, imho.

I agree and think that those that voted Repuiblican understood the code words and voted Republican.imo

[weezer]

if one selects the correct public records search engine about $49.00 for some
all public records of a person can be received.criminal, civil, all court records bankruptcy etc. unless there was a reason that a court sealed the records and normally courts do not seal records for simple traffic enfractions unless for maby a minor.

A friend of mine had a seaerch company and he worked for banks and he could search every city in America for any public record. That is before he passed away.

I have not attempted to find Rons records but obviously Big Ben has.

If ron had several traffic infractions there would be a record. If rons record is not available it is because the court has sealed it. imo

we've all seen Ron's traffic records and appearance/non-appearance with the courts. how much more public do you think Ron's records need to be? why would you take big ben's word that he was denied copies when he offered you no proof that he had even tried? and, if you truly believe the drivel concerning Ron, why don't you spend the $49 and see for yourself?

[martin II]

we've all seen Ron's traffic records and appearance/non-appearance with the courts. how much more public do you think Ron's records need to be? why would you take big ben's word that he was denied copies when he offered you no proof that he had even tried? and, if you truly believe the drivel concerning Ron, why don't you spend the $49 and see for yourself?


i have already read enough to have a idea about rons lifestyle before he was killed by someone.

Big Ben has done more research on this issue than you so there is more reason to pay attention to his comments than any argument you try to make in opposition. As i don't believe you know dip on the issue.You just don't like his conclusions and are just trying to attack and argue out of ignorance and the idea that no one knows more than you.Which you THINK is true.

Since you are the one kicking up all the dust on this issue and you know you are right go on a pop for the $49.00 and see what you get back.
imo

[weezer]

i have already read enough to have a idea about rons lifestyle before he was killed by someone.

Big Ben has done more research on this issue than you so there is more reason to pay attention to his comments than any argument you try to make in opposition. As i don't believe you know dip on the issue.You just don't like his conclusions and are just trying to attack and argue out of ignorance and the idea that no one knows more than you.Which you THINK is true.

Since you are the one kicking up all the dust on this issue and you know you are right go on a pop for the $49.00 and see what you get back.
imo

LOL -- I wasn't the one that brought up this nonsense. . .I'm the one saying put up or shut up. you know, post something, anything to back up your nonsense on this. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

[martin II]

LOL -- I wasn't the one that brought up this nonsense. . .I'm the one saying put up or shut up. you know, post something, anything to back up your nonsense on this. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

The last two lines you have poster maby 30-40 times.It means nothing as far
as whether someone was dealing drugs.
You can ignore testimony if you like.

[martin II]

LOL -- I wasn't the one that brought up this nonsense. . .I'm the one saying put up or shut up. you know, post something, anything to back up your nonsense on this. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.
i remember many pages of Bens posting giving details of his search in the court system for rons records and where he faced a stone wall.
i see nothing from you but name calling and BS.you are the one that continues to attack him on it so get off your can and do some research your self.

[tv]

LOL -- I wasn't the one that brought up this nonsense. . .I'm the one saying put up or shut up. you know, post something, anything to back up your nonsense on this. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.
I'm begining to think that just because Big Ben and his boss can't find anything on Ron Goldman they think it's being covered up. Until I see something official I'm going to stick with my original opinion that there's nothing to find. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Considering all the rude remarks I've seen recently in this forum I'm going to post this just as an FYI.
Three discussion forums that I'm aware of have disappeared from CL since December 2007/January/Feb 2008.
Anna Nicole Smith, Laci/Scott Peterson and Jon Benet Ramsey.

It appears to me this forum is heading for the same demise. Is that what you want? I only say that because I saw the same sort of remarks being made to those who posted in the respective forums.

Do you care? :shrug:

Waving magic wand over my head and looking into my crystalball it appears to me everyone here is interested in discussing this topic but everyone needs to get off their high horses and relax. Post your thoughts without being offensive to others - :eek: Is that possible? I hope so.

Cheers to all of you and hope you have a blessed Christmas/Holiday and those sentiments extend into the New Year. Hugs to all of you. :beer: :rose:

[weezer]

There was cocaine in Simpson's system. Where are the apologists to discuss that fact? Easier to smear the victims and deflect attention away from the facts.

I don't believe there was cocaine in orenthal's system when he was arrested. I believe the reorts were there was marijuana in his system. Maybe on that night, that was his drug of choice?

[William Anthony]

I don't believe there was cocaine in orenthal's system when he was arrested. I believe the reorts were there was marijuana in his system. Maybe on that night, that was his drug of choice?

Thanks for the needed correction, again. "Easier to smear " "and deflect attention away from the facts."

[weezer]

I'm begining to think that just because Big Ben and his boss can't find anything on Ron Goldman they think it's being covered up. Until I see something official I'm going to stick with my original opinion that there's nothing to find. :shrug:

a long, long time ago, we were given links to and posts regarding Ron's 'record.' As I remember it, he got himself into a bind over traffic ticket -- driving without a license as I remember it -- and failure to appear. I'm going to go back and look at notes from those discussions on the board. "I'll be back" :tongue:

[martin II]

There was cocaine in Simpson's system. Where are the apologists to discuss that fact? Easier to smear the victims and deflect attention away from the facts.

Again you are posting false info here.

There was traces of marijuana in oj blood sample on 6/13 which means that he could have smoked anywhere from a week to several weeks before 6/13
If he had smoked on 6/12 the results would have been POSITIVE for marijuana.imo

[weezer]

Again you are posting false info here.

There was traces of marijuana in oj blood sample on 6/13 which means that he could have smoked anywhere from a week to several weeks before 6/13
If he had smoked on 6/12 the results would have been POSITIVE for marijuana.imo

uh martin, orenthal did test POSITIVE for marijuana.

[martin II]

I'm begining to think that just because Big Ben and his boss can't find anything on Ron Goldman they think it's being covered up. Until I see something official I'm going to stick with my original opinion that there's nothing to find. :shrug:

What i remember is that Ben posted a catagory that the court had put Rons complete record into and that this special catagory was reserved for several
special people which included le informers. So the question became why was Rons record, regular traffic offenses if that was the case,put in this special catagory.

[martin II]

uh martin, orenthal did test POSITIVE for marijuana.

As i understand it the report said TRACES OF MARIJUANA. But if you want to change it to satisfy yourself, you can do so but that does make it fact.

[weezer]

What i remember is that Ben posted a catagory that the court had put Rons complete record into and that this special catagory was reserved for several
special people which included le informers. So the question became why was Rons record, regular traffic offenses if that was the case,put in this special catagory.

what I remember is Ron got himself into a mess with a misdemeanor traffic ticket and failure to appear. I think the final chapter had to do with his failure to turn in paperwork showing he finished his community service. You and ben both show a complete disregard for people's right to confidentiality. FYI, 6254(f) describes exemptions from the Act. VICTIMS or their AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE,however, can get various types of information except for some info having to do with confidential informants. release of the record is denied because ben is NOT a VICTIM, not because Ron was an informant!

[weezer]

As i understand it the report said TRACES OF MARIJUANA. But if you want to change it to satisfy yourself, you can do so but that does make it fact.

fact: at the time of his arrest, orenthal james simpson tested POSITIVE for drugs (marijuana). now whether or not there were traces of other drugs I have not heard of. :shrug:

[martin II]

Weezer

To to be more accurate , whether oj had traces of marijuana or whether he tested positive has no bearing on who killed Ron and Nicole. It is just a effort
by you to create another issue that you cannot prove.
But since you feel so strongly that you KNOW what the results of his blood test were then just go on and post the drug test results of Oj Simpson made on 6/13 and you can prove me and everyone else wrong.imo

We have spent a lot of time on this before and you just continue to add more issues for more argument about drugs.
So go on and post where you got your proof from.

[martin II]

what I remember is Ron got himself into a mess with a misdemeanor traffic ticket and failure to appear. I think the final chapter had to do with his failure to turn in paperwork showing he finished his community service. You and ben both show a complete disregard for people's right to confidentiality. FYI, 6254(f) describes exemptions from the Act. VICTIMS or their AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE,however, can get various types of information except for some info having to do with confidential informants. release of the record is denied because ben is NOT a VICTIM, not because Ron was an informant!

listen public records are open to the public, employees dig into public records
on potential employees by securing public records. all the time

if ron was just another regular traffic offender there would be a public record

[William Anthony]

Again you are posting false info here.

There was traces of marijuana in oj blood sample on 6/13 which means that he could have smoked anywhere from a week to several weeks before 6/13
If he had smoked on 6/12 the results would have been POSITIVE for marijuana.imo

I think that we can all be assured that, if cocaine had been found in Simpson's blood and if the tests were done properly, the prosecution would have introduced those results. The fact is that they did not and to say that he used cocaine on the night of the murders or that any cocaine was found in his system and, to say there was, is not factual or accurate and is nothing more than a smear tactic. imho.

[weezer]

listen public records are open to the public, employees dig into public records
on potential employees by securing public records. all the time

if ron was just another regular traffic offender there would be a public record

that's the point martin. there is a public record and we have seen what we are allowed by law to see. Ron got in trouble over a misdemeanor traffic ticket and failure to appear. the final chapter was his not providing the court with paperwork to show that he had completed his community service. ben is obviously unable to read a docket -- and the docket is all the 'public' has a right to see.

because neither you nor ben nor I are victims and since none of us are LE, we have no rights to Ron's records. not a hard concept.

BTW, have you ever heard or seen anything on what paperwork orenthal had to file for his community service after he was found guilty of beating Nicole?

[weezer]

Weezer

To to be more accurate , whether oj had traces of marijuana or whether he tested positive has no bearing on who killed Ron and Nicole. It is just a effort
by you to create another issue that you cannot prove.
But since you feel so strongly that you KNOW what the results of his blood test were then just go on and post the drug test results of Oj Simpson made on 6/13 and you can prove me and everyone else wrong.imo

We have spent a lot of time on this before and you just continue to add more issues for more argument about drugs.
So go on and post where you got your proof from.

I don't need to prove what was testimony in the criminal trial -- geez.

FYI: Marijuana Detection Time Shorter Than Previously Assumed

February 23, 2006 - Columbia, MO, USA

Columbia, MO: The length of time cannabis metabolites may be detected, on average, on a standard urine screen is typically no longer than ten days for chronic users and between 3-4 days for infrequent users, according to a literature review published in the current issue of the journal Drug Court Review.

"Recent scientific literature indicates that it is uncommon for occasional marijuana smokers to test positive for cannabinoid [metabolites] in urine for longer than seven days" at 20 ng/ml or above on the EMIT (Enzyme Multiplied Immunoassay Technique) test, the author concludes. "Following smoking cessation, chronic smokers would not be expected to remain positive for longer than 21 days, even when using the 20 ng/ml cannabinoid cutoff."

When tested at the 50 ng/ml cutoff threshold, infrequent users typically test negative for the presence of marijuana metabolites within 3-4 days, while heavy users typically test negative by ten days after ceasing use, the study found. . ."

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6821

[martin II]

I don't need to prove what was testimony in the criminal trial -- geez.

FYI: Marijuana Detection Time Shorter Than Previously Assumed

February 23, 2006 - Columbia, MO, USA

Columbia, MO: The length of time cannabis metabolites may be detected, on average, on a standard urine screen is typically no longer than ten days for chronic users and between 3-4 days for infrequent users, according to a literature review published in the current issue of the journal Drug Court Review.

"Recent scientific literature indicates that it is uncommon for occasional marijuana smokers to test positive for cannabinoid [metabolites] in urine for longer than seven days" at 20 ng/ml or above on the EMIT (Enzyme Multiplied Immunoassay Technique) test, the author concludes. "Following smoking cessation, chronic smokers would not be expected to remain positive for longer than 21 days, even when using the 20 ng/ml cannabinoid cutoff."

When tested at the 50 ng/ml cutoff threshold, infrequent users typically test negative for the presence of marijuana metabolites within 3-4 days, while heavy users typically test negative by ten days after ceasing use, the study found. . ."

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6821

what you are overlooking is the following

Test results for marijuana depends on the type test and whether the sample was blood,urine or hair.

I have never found any testimony of ojs blood sample but you seem to be saying there was testimony so show me where this testimony was given in the criminal trial.

You may not know it but the info you posted above deals with URINE sample and you have stated that ojs results were taken from BLOOD.


I think you are confused in your effort to create a non issues.

[weezer]

what you are overlooking is the following

Test results for marijuana depends on the type test and whether the sample was blood,urine or hair.

I have never found any testimony of ojs blood sample but you seem to be saying there was testimony so show me where this testimony was given in the criminal trial.

You may not know it but the info you posted above deals with URINE sample and you have stated that ojs results were taken from BLOOD.


I think you are confused in your effort to create a non issues.

I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

[weezer]

snip*snip*". . .I have never found any testimony of ojs blood sample but you seem to be saying there was testimony so show me where this testimony was given in the criminal trial. . ."

I knew I'd seen it somewhere:

03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
Criime Library Supreme Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,178

weezer
i will try to help you with this again.

Traces of Marijuana were found in oj's blood on 6/13. This means that if he had smoked it on 6/12 the test would not have read Traces. Since it read traces it indicates that he could have smoked it any time in the past two weeks or longer.

However i do understand that you seem to see marijuana and hard drugs (cocain.heron) as the same and obviously believe that oj smoked a joint on 6/12 which sent him out of control and he went and murdered his ex.

martin II

[martin II]

I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

Since you have no proof of your claim and since you think oj and Kato was smoking a LB or two of weed at about 9 pm on 6/12 i suggest that they would still be at mc donalds eating big macs until after 12 midnight if your claim was true.
Drug dealers don't unually use their product. But you can see testimony of F Resnick and C F if you want to know if Nicole used coke.

[weezer]

Since you have no proof of your claim and since you think oj and Kato was smoking a LB or two of weed at about 9 pm on 6/12 i suggest that they would still be at mc donalds eating big macs until after 12 midnight if your claim was true.
Drug dealers don't unually use their product. But you can see testimony of F Resnick and C F if you want to know if Nicole used coke.

what did you think I needed to prove? that orenthal had drugs in his system when he was arrested? I don't need to prove what is common knowledge.

why put a lie to my post? :no: I've never posted that I thought orenthal and kato were smoking weed at mcdonalds? WTH

F Resnick and CF also said that orenthal used drugs, beat Nicole, and threatened to kill Nicole. Are you now stating that you believe all of their testimony or just the parts that support your nonsense?

[martin II]

snip*snip*

I knew I'd seen it somewhere:

03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
Criime Library Supreme Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,178

weezer
i will try to help you with this again.

Traces of Marijuana were found in oj's blood on 6/13. This means that if he had smoked it on 6/12 the test would not have read Traces. Since it read traces it indicates that he could have smoked it any time in the past two weeks or longer.

However i do understand that you seem to see marijuana and hard drugs (cocain.heron) as the same and obviously believe that oj smoked a joint on 6/12 which sent him out of control and he went and murdered his ex.

martin II

this is the same thing i am telling you now.

[martin II]

Whether oj smoked weed has nothing to do with the people that killed nicole and ron.
weed does not = murder.
what else?

[weezer]

Whether oj smoked weed has nothing to do with the people that killed nicole and ron.
weed does not = murder.
what else?

no one ever said it did martin. I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

[martin II]

what did you think I needed to prove? that orenthal had drugs in his system when he was arrested? I don't need to prove what is common knowledge.

why put a lie to my post? :no: I've never posted that I thought orenthal and kato were smoking weed at mcdonalds? WTH

F Resnick and CF also said that orenthal used drugs, beat Nicole, and threatened to kill Nicole. Are you now stating that you believe all of their testimony or just the parts that support your nonsense?

Well with no proof i guess you fall back on WEEZERS COMMON knowledge which you expect me to accept out of hand.

you have given no proof to your claim.

[martin II]

no one ever said it did martin. I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

See testimony.

[William Anthony]

See testimony.

Martin,

I had not placed any significance on the blue wrapper that was not identified, but MF rushed to collect. It might explain the oddities about the glove, MF's hyperactivity and his vision of blood in places no other person claimed to have seen, except, IIRC, his partner. Do you know if they tested MF for cocaine?

[weezer]

Well with no proof i guess you fall back on WEEZERS COMMON knowledge which you expect me to accept out of hand.

you have given no proof to your claim.

but I gave you proof that you must find undeniable:

"03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
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weezer
i will try to help you with this again.

03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
Criime Library Supreme Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,178

weezer
i will try to help you with this again. . ."

Traces of Marijuana were found in oj's blood on 6/13.

[martin II]

F Resnick told cora that she and nicole freebased coke.What is your problem with this info.it is your business that she did. if she did why does this up set you so much? Your idea that nicole was some pure saint may not be true but
what causes you to be in such denial that you dissagree with her close friends that knew her activities and you have never been within 500 miles of nicole.

how do you know.
.

[martin II]

but I gave you proof that you must find undeniable:

"03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
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Posts: 11,178

weezer
i will try to help you with this again.

03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
martin II
Criime Library Supreme Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,178

weezer
i will try to help you with this again. . ."

Traces of Marijuana were found in oj's blood on 6/13.


Again
this is the same thing i am telling you now.
please stop posting nonsesne and claim it supports you claims

POST YOUR PROOF AND WE CAN FINISH THIS.

[martin II]

I have played with you long enough. lets say oj smokes weed on 6/12
prove to me that this caused him to killed someone.

[tv]

that's the point martin. there is a public record and we have seen what we are allowed by law to see. Ron got in trouble over a misdemeanor traffic ticket and failure to appear. the final chapter was his not providing the court with paperwork to show that he had completed his community service. ben is obviously unable to read a docket -- and the docket is all the 'public' has a right to see.

because neither you nor ben nor I are victims and since none of us are LE, we have no rights to Ron's records. not a hard concept.

BTW, have you ever heard or seen anything on what paperwork orenthal had to file for his community service after he was found guilty of beating Nicole?

I recall that Big Ben said that OJ Simpson himself wouldn't even give this cover-up nonsense a second of his time. What does that tell you? Instead of serpents rising, I'd say they're slithering away. :)

[weezer]

I have played with you long enough. lets say oj smokes weed on 6/12
prove to me that this caused him to killed someone.

no one but you has tried to correlate orenthal's drug use with him murdering two human beings. I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

[martin II]

no one but you has tried to correlate orenthal's drug use with him murdering two human beings. I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

You were on the outside Faye Resnick and C F were close friends. they knew more about Nicole than you could ever dream. i will go with their testimony anyway what is it to you if she used drugs. imo

[martin II]

no one but you has tried to correlate orenthal's drug use with him murdering two human beings. I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

Have it your way.

[weezer]

You were on the outside Faye Resnick and C F were close friends. they knew more about Nicole than you could ever dream. i will go with their testimony anyway what is it to you if she used drugs. imo

ok

"Resnick: Simpson used drugs, threatened to kill ex-wife
February 12, 1996
Web posted at: 12:15 a.m. EST
From Correspondent Jim Hill

LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- In New York Sunday, Faye Resnick testified that O.J. Simpson said he would kill Nicole Brown Simpson because she left him. . ." http://edition.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9602/11/index.html

"10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him." . . ."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/nns098.htm

[martin II]

ok

"Resnick: Simpson used drugs, threatened to kill ex-wife
February 12, 1996
Web posted at: 12:15 a.m. EST
From Correspondent Jim Hill

LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- In New York Sunday, Faye Resnick testified that O.J. Simpson said he would kill Nicole Brown Simpson because she left him. . ." http://edition.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9602/11/index.html

"10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him." . . ."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/nns098.htm

You left out coras testimony where she said Faye stated that she and nicole freebased cocain.

i see that you have created a long argument here
i am finished with it.

[weezer]

You left out coras testimony where she said Faye stated that she and nicole freebased cocain.

i see that you have created a long argument here
i am finished with it.

I'm not arguing with you martin. I was simply responding to
"Originally Posted by martin II
You were on the outside Faye Resnick and C F were close friends. they knew more about Nicole than you could ever dream. i will go with their testimony anyway what is it to you if she used drugs. imo"

I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

[weezer]

hey, remember that thing someone came up with about orenthal and the number 13? well, tonight they are announcing the Heisman Trophy winner on December 13 -- and orenthal james simpson has been a convicted felon one whole week. Is it too big a stretch? :biggrin:

[martin II]

I'm not arguing with you martin. I was simply responding to
"Originally Posted by martin II
You were on the outside Faye Resnick and C F were close friends. they knew more about Nicole than you could ever dream. i will go with their testimony anyway what is it to you if she used drugs. imo"

I was simply debunking your nonsense about who was involved in drugs. there is and has never been proof of any kind that Ron and/or Nicole were involved in 'drugs'. In fact, on the night they were murdered, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown had no drugs in their systems. Their murderer, orenthal james simpson, did.

you and i have had this conversation several times and the results is always the same.

i am leaving it alone this time.Belive what you like.

[weezer]

you and i have had this conversation several times and the results is always the same.

i am leaving it alone this time.Belive what you like.

oh come on martin -- it's not a matter of what I want to believe. It's the fact man. Just the facts. ;)

[martin II]

hey, remember that thing someone came up with about orenthal and the number 13? well, tonight they are announcing the Heisman Trophy winner on December 13 -- and orenthal james simpson has been a convicted felon one whole week. Is it too big a stretch? :biggrin:

You have not changed one bit,still old pissed off weezer
hahaha

[William Anthony]

You have not changed one bit,still old pissed off weezer
hahaha

We have all aged two years, since I the time I started posting, although some may want to say I caused them to age more. :)

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson still a Hall of Famer, despite tainted reputation
1 day ago

NEW YORK — O.J. Simpson's portrait hangs in the Heisman Trophy exhibit at the new Sports Museum of America.

He's a member of the college and professional football halls of fame, his jersey number has been retired by the University of Southern California and he is featured on the Buffalo Bills' Wall of Fame.

Many of the honours bestowed Simpson for being one of the greatest running backs in history are likely to remain in place, even as he serves a prison sentence for armed robbery and kidnapping.

Simpson was convicted earlier this month in Las Vegas. That came 13 years after he was acquitted in the slaying of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ron Goldman. Simpson was later found liable for their deaths in a civil trial.

Simpson's status as a Hall of Famer was unaffected by those legal issues.

Now that he is a convicted felon, the National Football Foundation and College Football Hall of Fame plans to review his status and determine what to do with the Simpson memorabilia displayed at the museum in South Bend, Ind., NFF president Steve Hatchell recently said.

"We will review it, but there are no plans to take him out of the hall," Hatchell said. "It's a big wrestling match because he was put in for what he did as a football player at Southern Cal."

The College Football Hall of Fame has no written morality or ethics clause, but Hatchell said character is factored in when players are considered for induction.

"It's sort of an unwritten rule that if there's issues, steer away from them," he said.

The NFF recently inducted LSU Heisman winner Billy Cannon. He had originally been voted into the college hall of fame in the early 1980s, but it was rescinded soon after when he pleaded guilty to federal counterfeiting charges.

John Urban, president and general manager of the Sports Museum of America, now the home of the first Heisman Trophy, said Saturday night that any decision to remove Simpson's portrait would have to be made by members of the Heisman Trust.

Heisman spokesman Tim Henning said there is no plan to have Simpson's portrait taken down.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame only considers a player's on-field accomplishments, so Simpson is in no danger of being removed from there. The Bills have said they will follow the Hall of Fame's lead and have no plans remove Simpson from its Wall of Fame.

Some of Simpson's awards and memorabilia are still on display at USC's Heritage Hall, and his No. 32 is commemorated in the Los Angeles Coliseum.

Simpson won the Heisman Trophy in 1968 for the Trojans. He played in the NFL with Buffalo and San Francisco from 1969-79. When he retired he was the second-leading career rusher in NFL history behind Jim Brown.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hxNxGWSNZhA7rzqUk5vgcFhj4t0g

[weezer]

Dave Newhouse: From superstar to bottomless pit
By Dave Newhouse
Oakland Tribune columnist
Posted: 12/13/2008 03:21:54 PM PST

Watching the continued desecration of Orenthal James Simpson — the blue prison suit, the handcuffs, the noticeable limp — I can't think of an American hero who has plummeted further.

Not that it matters to me, for there is no absolving Simpson of the cesspool he has turned his once celebrated life into; thus there can be no sympathy for him either.

The only difficulty in all of this, especially for those of us who thought we knew Simpson, is his balancing the devil with the angel, the lamb with the jackal.

"My big motivation in life," he told me once, "is to be known and liked."

That was 25 years ago when I was writing a book about the 50th anniversary of the Heisman Trophy, the Oscar of sports. The deadline was fast approaching, and Simpson wasn't available, his personal secretary told me. Too busy, she noted.

But there couldn't be a Heisman book without "The Juice," Simpson's familiar moniker. After all, there hasn't ever been a greater college football halfback. So I leaned on a friend, a USC loyalist, who got me Simpson's home phone number.

I called, apologetically, and asked Simpson for one hour. I would fly to Los Angeles, interview him for 60 minutes maximum, then fly home. He said, "Sure. Meet me at my office."

That was pure O.J. Simpson: He was always available, ever cordial. When he was the NFL's best player in the 1970s, he was also the league's best interview. The whole package.

During our rushed book interview — he would have stayed longer, but I was grateful for the hour — he discussed how he loved giving autographs, even to the point of signing for one lady who took the fork right out of his hand while he was eating in a restaurant.

"I'm the most gracious guy there is," he assured me.

I had no reason to think otherwise, for my history with Simpson dated back to the mid-1960s. I was covering UC Berkeley football then for the Oakland Tribune. And I almost saw Simpson wearing Cal's blue and gold. Almost.

USC had been his dream school while growing up in the Hunter's Point area of San Francisco. Then Cal entered the picture with the Economic Opportunity Program, which allowed a certain percentage of minorities to enroll at Berkeley without meeting the entrance requirements.

Simpson was tempted to stay home. Willie Mays even phoned him to reconsider. One morning, I phoned Simpson to check on his decision. He told me that he had just decided to go with his original choice: USC. Cal had lost The Juice, but I had a scoop.

Flash forward 10 years. I was co-authoring a book on the Rose Bowl with Herb Michelson, and we needed someone to write the foreword. Simpson was now an American icon — a Heisman Trophy winner, the NFL's single-season rushing record holder, an assured Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee, a working Hollywood actor, and a busy advertising pitch man who ran through airports — but he graciously agreed to do the foreword.

That was Simpson long before his free fall from the top of the world into a bottomless pit. There was no way anyone could have anticipated this, but there had been signs.

Simpson had gotten into trouble as a kid in Hunter's Point. Through football, and his own creative imagination, he remade himself. The devil had found his angel.

Then there was a story out of USC. Simpson had made an appearance at his alma mater and instructed his female escort to hold his coat as he made the rounds. She draped the coat over her forearm carefully, but when Simpson returned, he ungraciously chewed her out for not holding the coat lengthwise from the tip of its collar.

It was generally known that Simpson wasn't faithful to his first wife, Marquerite, who complained publicly that "I have been shoved out of the way, pushed and stepped on by more than one beautiful woman."

Simpson had three children by that marriage, but one drowned in a swimming pool accident. When I interviewed Simpson for the Heisman book, he had just remarried, to the former Nicole Brown, who was 12 years younger than he.

"If someone were to ask me about Nicole," he was quoted for the book, "I would say that I like her first before I would say that I love her. She's a wonderful person who doesn't mind if the guys come over. She even enjoys cooking for them."

Simpson was a multimillionaire by then, from his movie income and his endorsements. On the surface, he had life made. But rumors connecting drugs and the Simpsons circulated out of the Southland. The Juice was older now, his body was reacting from all his football injuries, and jealousy can turn a lamb into a jackal — and that Hunter's Point kid back into himself.

What happened next, and what continues to happen, seems inconceivable. The new, tainted image of Simpson is someone in the back seat of a white Bronco, a gun in his hand, being driven from golf course to golf course, searching for the killers of Nicole and Ron Goldman.

Yes, I believe Simpson is guilty of that double murder. I also think his nine-year minimum sentencing in Las Vegas is a direct result of that murder trial, though no one seems to care.

I knew Simpson once, but I really didn't know him at all. None of us did.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_11226468

[martin II]

dave newhouse: From superstar to bottomless pit
by dave newhouse
oakland tribune columnist
posted: 12/13/2008 03:21:54 pm pst

watching the continued desecration of orenthal james simpson — the blue prison suit, the handcuffs, the noticeable limp — i can't think of an american hero who has plummeted further.

Not that it matters to me, for there is no absolving simpson of the cesspool he has turned his once celebrated life into; thus there can be no sympathy for him either.

The only difficulty in all of this, especially for those of us who thought we knew simpson, is his balancing the devil with the angel, the lamb with the jackal.

"my big motivation in life," he told me once, "is to be known and liked."

that was 25 years ago when i was writing a book about the 50th anniversary of the heisman trophy, the oscar of sports. The deadline was fast approaching, and simpson wasn't available, his personal secretary told me. Too busy, she noted.

But there couldn't be a heisman book without "the juice," simpson's familiar moniker. After all, there hasn't ever been a greater college football halfback. So i leaned on a friend, a usc loyalist, who got me simpson's home phone number.

I called, apologetically, and asked simpson for one hour. I would fly to los angeles, interview him for 60 minutes maximum, then fly home. He said, "sure. Meet me at my office."

that was pure o.j. Simpson: He was always available, ever cordial. When he was the nfl's best player in the 1970s, he was also the league's best interview. The whole package.

During our rushed book interview — he would have stayed longer, but i was grateful for the hour — he discussed how he loved giving autographs, even to the point of signing for one lady who took the fork right out of his hand while he was eating in a restaurant.

"i'm the most gracious guy there is," he assured me.

I had no reason to think otherwise, for my history with simpson dated back to the mid-1960s. I was covering uc berkeley football then for the oakland tribune. And i almost saw simpson wearing cal's blue and gold. Almost.

Usc had been his dream school while growing up in the hunter's point area of san francisco. Then cal entered the picture with the economic opportunity program, which allowed a certain percentage of minorities to enroll at berkeley without meeting the entrance requirements.

Simpson was tempted to stay home. Willie mays even phoned him to reconsider. One morning, i phoned simpson to check on his decision. He told me that he had just decided to go with his original choice: Usc. Cal had lost the juice, but i had a scoop.

Flash forward 10 years. I was co-authoring a book on the rose bowl with herb michelson, and we needed someone to write the foreword. Simpson was now an american icon — a heisman trophy winner, the nfl's single-season rushing record holder, an assured pro football hall of fame inductee, a working hollywood actor, and a busy advertising pitch man who ran through airports — but he graciously agreed to do the foreword.

That was simpson long before his free fall from the top of the world into a bottomless pit. There was no way anyone could have anticipated this, but there had been signs.

Simpson had gotten into trouble as a kid in hunter's point. Through football, and his own creative imagination, he remade himself. The devil had found his angel.

Then there was a story out of usc. Simpson had made an appearance at his alma mater and instructed his female escort to hold his coat as he made the rounds. She draped the coat over her forearm carefully, but when simpson returned, he ungraciously chewed her out for not holding the coat lengthwise from the tip of its collar.

It was generally known that simpson wasn't faithful to his first wife, marquerite, who complained publicly that "i have been shoved out of the way, pushed and stepped on by more than one beautiful woman."

simpson had three children by that marriage, but one drowned in a swimming pool accident. When i interviewed simpson for the heisman book, he had just remarried, to the former nicole brown, who was 12 years younger than he.

"if someone were to ask me about nicole," he was quoted for the book, "i would say that i like her first before i would say that i love her. She's a wonderful person who doesn't mind if the guys come over. She even enjoys cooking for them."

simpson was a multimillionaire by then, from his movie income and his endorsements. On the surface, he had life made. But rumors connecting drugs and the simpsons circulated out of the southland. The juice was older now, his body was reacting from all his football injuries, and jealousy can turn a lamb into a jackal — and that hunter's point kid back into himself.

What happened next, and what continues to happen, seems inconceivable. The new, tainted image of simpson is someone in the back seat of a white bronco, a gun in his hand, being driven from golf course to golf course, searching for the killers of nicole and ron goldman.

Yes, i believe simpson is guilty of that double murder. I also think his nine-year minimum sentencing in las vegas is a direct result of that murder trial, though no one seems to care.

I knew simpson once, but i really didn't know him at all. None of us did.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_11226468

and?

[weezer]

and?

just thought these were interesting perspectives written by people who had known orenthal many years. you know, this is the 'oj in the news again' thread. :punch:

[martin II]

just thought these were interesting perspectives written by people who had known orenthal many years. you know, this is the 'oj in the news again' thread. :punch:

you are working very hard. digging and digging

[weezer]

you are working very hard. digging and digging

no thanks necessary -- your gratitude is enough but I appreciate you acknowledging it.

[tv]

just thought these were interesting perspectives written by people who had known orenthal many years. you know, this is the 'oj in the news again' thread. :punch:Thanks for the interesting articles. They're very relevant to the topic of this thread.

[weezer]

Collector's lawyer wants deposition of OJ Simpson
2 days ago

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — An attorney for a sports memorabilia collector who was robbed in a Las Vegas hotel room wants the court's permission to videotape a deposition of O.J. Simpson from a Nevada prison.

The attorney for Alfred Beardsley told an Orange County Superior Court judge on Monday that the former football star could help his client in a lawsuit against Thomas Riccio, who secretly tape-recorded Simpson and others barging into the Palace Station Hotel and Casino in 2007.

Attorney Jack Swickard says Simpson's deposition could prove that Riccio planned the robbery so he could sell an audio tape of the incident.

Beardsley sued Riccio for fraud, invasion of privacy and emotional distress. He filed the lawsuit in Orange County because Beardsley lived there.

Riccio's tape helped prosecutors convict Simpson.

[William Anthony]

Collector's lawyer wants deposition of OJ Simpson
2 days ago

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — An attorney for a sports memorabilia collector who was robbed in a Las Vegas hotel room wants the court's permission to videotape a deposition of O.J. Simpson from a Nevada prison.

The attorney for Alfred Beardsley told an Orange County Superior Court judge on Monday that the former football star could help his client in a lawsuit against Thomas Riccio, who secretly tape-recorded Simpson and others barging into the Palace Station Hotel and Casino in 2007.

Attorney Jack Swickard says Simpson's deposition could prove that Riccio planned the robbery so he could sell an audio tape of the incident.

Beardsley sued Riccio for fraud, invasion of privacy and emotional distress. He filed the lawsuit in Orange County because Beardsley lived there.

Riccio's tape helped prosecutors convict Simpson.

Ah, the plot thickens. Perhaps, Lawyer Swickard maybe on the right track as the deposition may shed some light on the issue of the admissibility of the tapes.

[weezer]

Ah, the plot thickens. Perhaps, Lawyer Swickard maybe on the right track as the deposition may shed some light on the issue of the admissibility of the tapes.

or someone thinks a tape of orenthal in prison would be worth money -- :eek:

[William Anthony]

or someone thinks a tape of orenthal in prison would be worth money -- :eek:

I think the issue has been stated-an invasion of privacy. I don't think lawyer Swickard would violate any ethical conduct, meaning hold the deposition for an unethical purpose. Who knows what the media would think or do? However, it is my understanding that the deposition is the property of the person paying for the deposition and the deposed can pay for a copy. You provide an interesting question as to who holds the rights to the deposition.

[weezer]

I think the issue has been stated-an invasion of privacy. I don't think lawyer Swickard would violate any ethical conduct, meaning hold the deposition for an unethical purpose. Who knows what the media would think or do? However, it is my understanding that the deposition is the property of the person paying for the deposition and the deposed can pay for a copy. You provide an interesting question as to who holds the rights to the deposition.

at any rate, I know I'd pay for a video of orenthal in prison. ;)

[William Anthony]

at any rate, I know I'd pay for a video of orenthal in prison. ;)

Well, why don't you write and ask him for one?

[weezer]

Well, why don't you write and ask him for one?

LOL -- I'm a firm believer that if he thought he could do it and it would put him in front of the cameras AND he'd make money, he'd do it in a heartbeat. but alas, I don't want that kind -- I want the kind that shows him in prison garb, looking haggard, crying that he's been framed AGAIN. :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

LOL -- I'm a firm believer that if he thought he could do it and it would put him in front of the cameras AND he'd make money, he'd do it in a heartbeat. but alas, I don't want that kind -- I want the kind that shows him in prison garb, looking haggard, crying that he's been framed AGAIN. :rolleyes:

Make you requests specific and see if he obliges you.

[weezer]

Make you requests specific and see if he obliges you.

nah -- I try to limit my eposure to evil -- ;)

[William Anthony]

nah -- I try to limit my eposure to evil -- ;)

By him I meant Simpson not MF. :)

[weezer]

By him I meant Simpson not MF. :)

yeah -- I knew who you meant just like you knew who I meant. I don't get this william: you defend orenthal and he murdered two people; you denigrate Fuhrman and he lied. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

yeah -- I knew who you meant just like you knew who I meant. I don't get this william: you defend orenthal and he murdered two people; you denigrate Fuhrman and he lied. :shrug:

I am not defending Simpson. I just am not as convinced as you are that he is the murderer. I am more convinced by the evidence that MF was a racist cop, who abused his authority and beat, maybe killed, people and admitted to planting evidence on citizens.

[serpentsfall]

I've been trying to figure out the cutoff date for filing an appeal. I thought I read they had 120 days from sentencing, which I think was December 5th. 26 days in December, 31 in January, 28 in Februay, 31 in March puts, I think, April 4th as day 120. Anybody know if that's right or heard anything new about any appeals having been filed yet?

[weezer]

I am not defending Simpson. I just am not as convinced as you are that he is the murderer. I am more convinced by the evidence that MF was a racist cop, who abused his authority and beat, maybe killed, people and admitted to planting evidence on citizens.

even though multiple investigations into Fuhrman has proved that the things he talked about in the screenplay never happened?

You know william, after reading your tale of stabbings, etc., I think I now understand where your hate for LE stems from.

[weezer]

I've been trying to figure out the cutoff date for filing an appeal. I thought I read they had 120 days from sentencing, which I think was December 5th. 26 days in December, 31 in January, 28 in Februay, 31 in March puts, I think, April 4th as day 120. Anybody know if that's right or heard anything new about any appeals having been filed yet?

didn't yale say something about filing the appeal when christie's brother started the website for donations?

[William Anthony]

even though multiple investigations into Fuhrman has proved that the things he talked about in the screenplay never happened?

You know william, after reading your tale of stabbings, etc., I think I now understand where your hate for LE stems from.

No, you don't understand unless you grew up in the town I did. However, that is not the point. I can tell you that after I left that town the FBI arrested some lawyers, judges and the mayor. The point is that I learned from my experiences and take full responsibility for my actions. I don't blame LE for what I chose to do. However, I do believe that anything I did was far less than what those did, who took various oaths of office, only to abuse them. I rendered onto Cesar what was his or suffered the consequences without taking an oath to so do. I hope you understand. I will tell you another one, which involved someone that everyone in that town was afraid of. I had gotten into a fight with his cousin at a friend of mine home. The person was seriously injured but not permanently or lastingly. His cousin sent for my friend and I went with him. My friend was afraid to go up the steps to talk with him in the bedroom. I asked his girl to ask him to come down and he did. He said that he had originally been very upset and intended to do harm but, after he learned I was involved and he had known me since I was five, he changed his mind, because he knew that his cousin had did something wrong as I was not the type to start anything or disrespect anyone. My friend and I wiped the sweat from our brows. :) Even then I enjoyed and appreciated a certain amount of respect due to my reputation. I have also said that LE was instrumental in my turn around. Not every police person is bad but that should not excuse the actions of those that are.

[serpentsfall]

Anybody figure out if today is the last day (120 days after sentencing) for Simpson &/or Stewart to file an appeal to the NV Supreme Court?

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson is in prison in Nevada serving a 33 year sentence for felony charges stemming from a September, 2007 armed robbery of a sports collectible dealer in Nevada. OJ’s long-suffering girlfriend, Christine Prody, hasn’t wasted any time moving on with her life. Simpson only started serving his sentence in December of last year and Prody is already pregnant with another man’s baby:

http://www.cele*****y.com/44183/girlfriend_of_jailed_oj_simpson_is_pregnant_-_by_another_guy/

[tv]

weezer, your link isn't working. :(

[weezer]

weezer, your link isn't working. :(

oh sorry -- don't know why. try this one:

http://www.zimbio.com/OJ+Simpson+Murder+Book/articles/139/OJ+s+ex+preggo+by+another+man

and/or

just google: prody, pregnant

[tv]

oh sorry -- don't know why. try this one:

http://www.zimbio.com/OJ+Simpson+Murder+Book/articles/139/OJ+s+ex+preggo+by+another+man

and/or

just google: prody, pregnant

Very interesting. Looks like Ms. Prody realizes the gravy train has pulled away from the station or perhaps Lady Kenmore gave her a little push. I guess she's had enough excitement (and concussions) and is settling for the quiet life.

[weezer]

Very interesting. Looks like Ms. Prody realizes the gravy train has pulled away from the station or perhaps Lady Kenmore gave her a little push. I guess she's had enough excitement (and concussions) and is settling for the quiet life.

I'm hoping good things for her. Maybe being away from orenthal and his co-conspirator will make the difference.

[martin II]

I've been trying to figure out the cutoff date for filing an appeal. I thought I read they had 120 days from sentencing, which I think was December 5th. 26 days in December, 31 in January, 28 in Februay, 31 in March puts, I think, April 4th as day 120. Anybody know if that's right or heard anything new about any appeals having been filed yet?

Iwas thinking about that a few weeks ago and did read that some kind of delayed filing is often done but apllication/request is required.

[martin II]

I'm hoping good things for her. Maybe being away from orenthal and his co-conspirator will make the difference.

i think the best thing for Purdy and her baby is that the baby be born in a rehab facility.

[martin II]

O.J. Simpson is in prison in Nevada serving a 33 year sentence for felony charges stemming from a September, 2007 armed robbery of a sports collectible dealer in Nevada. OJ’s long-suffering girlfriend, Christine Prody, hasn’t wasted any time moving on with her life. Simpson only started serving his sentence in December of last year and Prody is already pregnant with another man’s baby:

http://www.cele*****y.com/44183/girlfriend_of_jailed_oj_simpson_is_pregnant_-_by_another_guy/

Boy
If By any chance the appeals court were to toss ojs convictions i believe it is possible that TV may have to offer you nursing services.:cool::)

[martin II]

just thought these were interesting perspectives written by people who had known orenthal many years. you know, this is the 'oj in the news again' thread. :punch:

Sounds like oj must have refused this guy a autograph.

[martin II]

Very interesting. Looks like Ms. Prody realizes the gravy train has pulled away from the station or perhaps Lady Kenmore gave her a little push. I guess she's had enough excitement (and concussions) and is settling for the quiet life.

I wonder if her new husband did a background check.

[serpentsfall]

I wonder if her new husband did a background check.

Why? You think OJ hung with unsavory types?

[martin II]

Why? You think OJ hung with unsavory types?

I think she had personal problems not caused by oj or any other person but herself.

[serpentsfall]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr06/0,4670,SimpsonGoldman,00.html

[William Anthony]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr06/0,4670,SimpsonGoldman,00.html

I wonder why Simpson was not allowed to attend the hearing as he seems to be a party in interest to the property. :shrug: I am guessing this is an In Rem action.

[weezer]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr06/0,4670,SimpsonGoldman,00.html

looks like it's put up or shut up time. Fromong and Beardsley were there -- interesting.

[William Anthony]

I vote shut up.

[weezer]

I vote shut up.

a little late for that don't you think?

[William Anthony]

Never too late to show good taste.

[weezer]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr06/0,4670,SimpsonGoldman,00.html

hmmm -- what do you think beardsley statement "outvoted 2 to 1" means?

[tv]

hmmm -- what do you think beardsley statement "outvoted 2 to 1" means?

I thought he was talking about Fromong but who's other person? -

[William Anthony]

I thought he was talking about Fromong but who's other person? -

I would guess that it was Gilbert.

[weezer]

I thought he was talking about Fromong but who's other person? -

I guess Gilbert -- wonder why anyone had to 'vote'?

[weezer]

O.J. EX-GIRLFRIEND'S SHOCKING TELL-ALL
O.J. Simpson’s ex-girlfriend has penned a sensational book about her 12 years with the disgraced football great – disclosing a twisted life of drugs, sex, violence and betrayal.

In the steamy tell-all — to be published later this year — 33-year-old Christie Prody lays bare the couple’s private life, beginning with their meeting in Los Angeles in 1996 and ending with Simpson’s jailing for armed robbery and kidnapping last December.

“When O.J. heard Christie was writing the book, he went nuts!” an insider told The ENQUIRER.

“He was frantic trying to phone her. He wanted to control what she would say and even called her family members. But Christie isn’t pulling punches, and she’s not talking to O.J.”

Prody, who received a mega-bucks book deal, reveals at the time the two first met she was in denial over O.J.’s murder of his ex-wife. He later confessed to her he killed Nicole Brown, but insisted Nicole brought it on herself.

Christie says 61-year-old Simpson preferred talking about his trial in bed nearly every night after having sex.

The couple’s years together were fueled by booze and cocaine parties, and the two even made a sex video.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/oj_girlfriend_tell_all_book/crime/63485

[serpentsfall]

O.J. EX-GIRLFRIEND'S SHOCKING TELL-ALL
O.J. Simpson’s ex-girlfriend has penned a sensational book about her 12 years with the disgraced football great – disclosing a twisted life of drugs, sex, violence and betrayal.

In the steamy tell-all — to be published later this year — 33-year-old Christie Prody lays bare the couple’s private life, beginning with their meeting in Los Angeles in 1996 and ending with Simpson’s jailing for armed robbery and kidnapping last December.

“When O.J. heard Christie was writing the book, he went nuts!” an insider told The ENQUIRER.

“He was frantic trying to phone her. He wanted to control what she would say and even called her family members. But Christie isn’t pulling punches, and she’s not talking to O.J.”

Prody, who received a mega-bucks book deal, reveals at the time the two first met she was in denial over O.J.’s murder of his ex-wife. He later confessed to her he killed Nicole Brown, but insisted Nicole brought it on herself.

Christie says 61-year-old Simpson preferred talking about his trial in bed nearly every night after having sex.

The couple’s years together were fueled by booze and cocaine parties, and the two even made a sex video.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/oj_girlfriend_tell_all_book/crime/63485

I'm shocked! Shocked! OJ killed Nicole? OJ used drugs?? :punch: The things we have to learn about him!

[William Anthony]

I'm shocked! Shocked! OJ killed Nicole? OJ used drugs?? :punch: The things we have to learn about him!

I am also shocked that a woman would sleep with a man, who confessed to killing anyone, and decide not to tell until she was out in the cold, if any of it is true, but then all do not have the same morals as others.

[weezer]

I'm shocked! Shocked! OJ killed Nicole? OJ used drugs?? :punch: The things we have to learn about him!

LOL -- he won't care that she told secrets -- he'll care that she's getting the money!

[William Anthony]

I wonder what prodded Prody's allegedly new found conscience.

[weezer]

I wonder what prodded Prody's allegedly new found conscience.

reports were that he was heard screaming at her on the phone from prison. maybe she figured he was where he couldn't hurt her. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

Ms. Prody must be a slow thinker.

[weezer]

Ms. Prody must be a slow thinker.

actually she's told the story before -- but backed out. of course, orenthal was still out in the free world then. The new story will have what was happening in Las Vegas. Remember? we did hear her on the tapes. Has anyone said if she has anything to say about the co-conspirator?

[William Anthony]

Did Ms. Prody suffer from the DTs to anyone's knowledge?

[weezer]

Did Ms. Prody suffer from the DTs to anyone's knowledge?

well there were the injuries she suffered from the 'fall' -- :eek:

[William Anthony]

I guess staggering across the freeway and being hit by two cars may have had an effect on her memory.

[weezer]

I guess staggering across the freeway and being hit by two cars may have had an effect on her memory.

:no: I was talking about the 'fall' at the service station.

[William Anthony]

And I was talking about the freeway. What's your point?

[weezer]

And I was talking about the freeway. What's your point?

I didn't have one -- just wanted to clarify my post.

You don't suppose orenthal made those tires flat do you? I have this picture of him willing to smash Nicole's windshield -- not hard to imagine him slashing tires. :eek:

[William Anthony]

Drunkards are like wild horses, they will run in any direction and you do not know what will rile them and they throw safety to the wind (a Williamism).

[weezer]

Drunkards are like wild horses, they will run in any direction and you do not know what will rile them and they throw safety to the wind (a Williamism).

yes -- I hear they also become involved in smack-downs. :eek:

[William Anthony]

We know that Ms. Prody did when she tried to stagger across the freeway on foot; sort of like taking a knife to a gun fight.

[weezer]

We know that Ms. Prody did when she tried to stagger across the freeway on foot; sort of like taking a knife to a gun fight.

speaking of knives -- has anyone read where orenthal was when the 'accident' happened?

[weezer]

We know that Ms. Prody did when she tried to stagger across the freeway on foot; sort of like taking a knife to a gun fight.

"Christie Prody Injured in Miami Car Accident

O.J. Simpson's girlfriend Christie Prody was seriously injured in a car accident, early Saturday morning, in Miami.

According to officials, Prody apparently pulled over into the emergency lane on a Florida expressway when she realized she had two flat tires. The 32-year-old got out, and walked around the car, just then she was hit by another car.

The impact caused her head and arms to go through the other vehicle's windshield.

Prody was airlifted to Ryder Trauma Center at Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital, where on Wednesday, she was still being treated for broken legs.

An empty alcohol bottle was found in Prody's car, but it is not known whether she was intoxicated. Lt. Pat Santangelo of Florida Highway Patrol, said Prody was cited for the accident."

I'm not able to find anything about her being drunk or 'staggering' across the freeway. can you post a link?

[William Anthony]

speaking of knives -- has anyone read where orenthal was when the 'accident' happened?

We know he where he wasn't.

[weezer]

We know he where he wasn't.

which time?

[William Anthony]

http://www.christineprody.com/

[weezer]

http://www.christineprody.com/

I hadn't realized the freeway 'accident' happened the same week he admitted killing Nicole and Ron. wow!

[William Anthony]

:seeya:, :seeya:, :seeya: and :seeya:

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson fires lawyer on eve of Nevada appeal
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Last Updated: 23rd May 2009, 2:40am
LAS VEGAS -- O.J. Simpson has switched lawyers on the eve of his appeal to the Nevada Supreme Court to reverse his conviction in an armed hotel room heist, his former lawyer said yesterday.

Las Vegas attorney Gabriel Grasso said he had been replaced by Malcolm Lavergne, a move he attributed to an unspecified rift with Simpson's longtime Miami-based lawyer, Yale Galanter.

"There's been an ongoing disagreement between Yale and I over the last few months, and I've decided to withdraw from the case," Grasso said. He declined to elaborate.

Simpson, 61, is serving nine to 33 years in Lovelock State Prison, northeast of Reno, for his conviction in October for kidnapping and robbing two sports memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in September 2007 in a Las Vegas hotel room.

Galanter said he remains in charge of the case but needs a Nevada lawyer to appear with him before courts in that state.

Lavergne, who had sought to represent Simpson after his arrest, said he was retained to "help handle the appeal."

He said appeals were not one of his specialties, but that he once worked as a clerk in the New York Court of Appeals.

Galanter said that Simpson's appeal will be filed with the state Supreme Court by Tuesday's deadline.

Four other Simpson co-defendants testified against him and co-defendant Clarence (C.J.) Stewart. They received probation for convictions on various felony charges.

Stewart, 55, was convicted with Simpson and was sentenced to 7 1/2 to 27 years in prison. He was expected to file a separate appeal by Wednesday.

[weezer]

OJ Simpson appeals armed robbery, kidnap conviction to Nevada Supreme Court
KEN RITTER, Associated Press Writer
11:27 AM PDT, May 26, 2009

LAS VEGAS (AP) — O.J. Simpson is appealing to the Nevada Supreme Court to overturn his conviction on Las Vegas armed robbery and kidnapping charges.

A court clerk says his appeal was filed Tuesday in Carson City.

The appeal alleges Simpson's conviction in a hotel room confrontation with two sports memorabilia dealers was tainted by judicial misconduct, a lack of racial diversity on the jury and errors in sentencing and jury instructions.

The document criticizes Clark County District Court Judge Jackie Glass and accuses prosecutors of improperly questioning witnesses about allegations of intimidation.

It could take a year or more for justices to issue a ruling.

The former football star was convicted last October and is serving nine to 33 years in state prison.

[weezer]

OJ Simpson appeals robbery conviction
OJ Simpson26/05/2009 - 19:36:22

OJ Simpson today filed an appeal against his conviction for kidnap and armed robbery.

The former American football star and actor was jailed last year after being found guilty of recruiting five men to help rob two sports memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in a Las Vegas hotel in 2007.

In a document submitted by Simpson’s lawyers today, it is claimed the conviction was flawed due to judicial misconduct, a lack of racial diversity on the jury and errors in sentencing.

[weezer]

everybody surprised that orenthal and company wants to play the race card again raise your hands.

Yeah -- me neither.

:punch:

[wind149]

NOOOOO???? Gee, what a surprise! I wonder what the ratio of black and white prisoners are in that prison where he is at. I could easily see him whining that all the CO's treat him like crap compared to the whites. He tried playing the race card when he went to Jeff Ruby's Steakhouse and was asked to leave by Mr. Ruby himself and that went absolutely no where because his claims that he was kicked out because he is black went unfounded, especially when Michael Jordan was there with a party of 30 people and were welcomed with open arms. No, Mr. Ruby was acting on his feelings and he truly believed (as the majority of people, black and white) that he murdered Nicole and Ron and was disgusted and a little angry that he beat the charges and he had the right to refuse entry to anyone he pleased.

I wonder how this POS spends his days in that prison? Trying to play the big football star with his usual arrogance or is he not very well accepted because other inmates think he is a murderer too?? It must be quite the ego burner to have to eat the same slop everyone else does when this man was used to 4 star restaurants catering to his every whim, to getting up early and going to bed early, to the only view he see is a prison wall??? I remember during the time he first was incarcerated in 1994, and during the trial that he had food sent in for himself from popular restaurants, he could make unlimited phone calls from the Sheriff's office, and got to visit with whoever he wanted and this was not fair. Did "Hector Sanchez" get the same perks?? NOT! SO I am pleased as punch that this loser receives no special favors because he is a has been football player and his glory days were long ago and he is nothing more than a number on his blue prison shirt and I can guess with glee that Mr. Goldman feels some vindication that he now is a nothing and I hope he recoups every dime he was ever awarded.

I predict loser here will be some broke by the time he exits prison and he can change lawyers all he wants, the appeals will not get him out any time soon and he can play that race card as it only makes him look more low-life and stupid and that his little speech before sentencing was just that, pure D crap, he is only sorry he got caught and has no remorse for what he did and his actions in Vegas and especially in LA proves that he is a dangerous sociopath, he only feels for himself and not even his children ever got to hear the truth from his mouth regarding their mother, the mother he murdered because she was his possession and his big bloated ego could not take the fact she did not want him anymore and that no one ever said no to him and I feel that he staked out her house at night trying to see if she had male visitors because like most men with big egos, they refuse to see that the woman does not want them because of their attitudes like jealousy and he had beat Nicole to an inch of her life before, they just think that there has to be another man involved.

But I am pleased that his life sucks now, it won't bring Ron and Nicole back, but he is being denied his freedom and all he held dear and that is good enough for me and just because he can come up for parole after 9 years, it does not mean he will make it on the first hop and I say this because knowing his "tude" that he will probably have DR's.in other words, wrote up for bad behavior and I have seen where one write up can deny someone parole. So I could give a crap less who he has for a lawyer and but:biggrin: whoever it is take him for as much moola as you can!!!

[weezer]

NOOOOO???? Gee, what a surprise! I wonder what the ratio of black and white prisoners are in that prison where he is at. I could easily see him whining that all the CO's treat him like crap compared to the whites. He tried playing the race card when he went to Jeff Ruby's Steakhouse and was asked to leave by Mr. Ruby himself and that went absolutely no where because his claims that he was kicked out because he is black went unfounded, especially when Michael Jordan was there with a party of 30 people and were welcomed with open arms. No, Mr. Ruby was acting on his feelings and he truly believed (as the majority of people, black and white) that he murdered Nicole and Ron and was disgusted and a little angry that he beat the charges and he had the right to refuse entry to anyone he pleased.

I wonder how this POS spends his days in that prison? Trying to play the big football star with his usual arrogance or is he not very well accepted because other inmates think he is a murderer too?? It must be quite the ego burner to have to eat the same slop everyone else does when this man was used to 4 star restaurants catering to his every whim, to getting up early and going to bed early, to the only view he see is a prison wall??? I remember during the time he first was incarcerated in 1994, and during the trial that he had food sent in for himself from popular restaurants, he could make unlimited phone calls from the Sheriff's office, and got to visit with whoever he wanted and this was not fair. Did "Hector Sanchez" get the same perks?? NOT! SO I am pleased as punch that this loser receives no special favors because he is a has been football player and his glory days were long ago and he is nothing more than a number on his blue prison shirt and I can guess with glee that Mr. Goldman feels some vindication that he now is a nothing and I hope he recoups every dime he was ever awarded.

I predict loser here will be some broke by the time he exits prison and he can change lawyers all he wants, the appeals will not get him out any time soon and he can play that race card as it only makes him look more low-life and stupid and that his little speech before sentencing was just that, pure D crap, he is only sorry he got caught and has no remorse for what he did and his actions in Vegas and especially in LA proves that he is a dangerous sociopath, he only feels for himself and not even his children ever got to hear the truth from his mouth regarding their mother, the mother he murdered because she was his possession and his big bloated ego could not take the fact she did not want him anymore and that no one ever said no to him and I feel that he staked out her house at night trying to see if she had male visitors because like most men with big egos, they refuse to see that the woman does not want them because of their attitudes like jealousy and he had beat Nicole to an inch of her life before, they just think that there has to be another man involved.

But I am pleased that his life sucks now, it won't bring Ron and Nicole back, but he is being denied his freedom and all he held dear and that is good enough for me and just because he can come up for parole after 9 years, it does not mean he will make it on the first hop and I say this because knowing his "tude" that he will probably have DR's.in other words, wrote up for bad behavior and I have seen where one write up can deny someone parole. So I could give a crap less who he has for a lawyer and but:biggrin: whoever it is take him for as much moola as you can!!!

:beer::beer:

[tv]

everybody surprised that orenthal and company wants to play the race card again raise your hands.

Yeah -- me neither.

:punch:

I notice he didn't object to the lack of racial diversity on the criminal trial jury. :rolleyes:

[tv]

NOOOOO???? Gee, what a surprise! I wonder what the ratio of black and white prisoners are in that prison where he is at. I could easily see him whining that all the CO's treat him like crap compared to the whites. He tried playing the race card when he went to Jeff Ruby's Steakhouse and was asked to leave by Mr. Ruby himself and that went absolutely no where because his claims that he was kicked out because he is black went unfounded, especially when Michael Jordan was there with a party of 30 people and were welcomed with open arms. No, Mr. Ruby was acting on his feelings and he truly believed (as the majority of people, black and white) that he murdered Nicole and Ron and was disgusted and a little angry that he beat the charges and he had the right to refuse entry to anyone he pleased.

I wonder how this POS spends his days in that prison? Trying to play the big football star with his usual arrogance or is he not very well accepted because other inmates think he is a murderer too?? It must be quite the ego burner to have to eat the same slop everyone else does when this man was used to 4 star restaurants catering to his every whim, to getting up early and going to bed early, to the only view he see is a prison wall??? I remember during the time he first was incarcerated in 1994, and during the trial that he had food sent in for himself from popular restaurants, he could make unlimited phone calls from the Sheriff's office, and got to visit with whoever he wanted and this was not fair. Did "Hector Sanchez" get the same perks?? NOT! SO I am pleased as punch that this loser receives no special favors because he is a has been football player and his glory days were long ago and he is nothing more than a number on his blue prison shirt and I can guess with glee that Mr. Goldman feels some vindication that he now is a nothing and I hope he recoups every dime he was ever awarded.

I predict loser here will be some broke by the time he exits prison and he can change lawyers all he wants, the appeals will not get him out any time soon and he can play that race card as it only makes him look more low-life and stupid and that his little speech before sentencing was just that, pure D crap, he is only sorry he got caught and has no remorse for what he did and his actions in Vegas and especially in LA proves that he is a dangerous sociopath, he only feels for himself and not even his children ever got to hear the truth from his mouth regarding their mother, the mother he murdered because she was his possession and his big bloated ego could not take the fact she did not want him anymore and that no one ever said no to him and I feel that he staked out her house at night trying to see if she had male visitors because like most men with big egos, they refuse to see that the woman does not want them because of their attitudes like jealousy and he had beat Nicole to an inch of her life before, they just think that there has to be another man involved.

But I am pleased that his life sucks now, it won't bring Ron and Nicole back, but he is being denied his freedom and all he held dear and that is good enough for me and just because he can come up for parole after 9 years, it does not mean he will make it on the first hop and I say this because knowing his "tude" that he will probably have DR's.in other words, wrote up for bad behavior and I have seen where one write up can deny someone parole. So I could give a crap less who he has for a lawyer and but:biggrin: whoever it is take him for as much moola as you can!!!

You go, Wind! :beer:

[weezer]

I notice he didn't object to the lack of racial diversity on the criminal trial jury. :rolleyes:

ha -- ain't that the truth!

[serpentsfall]

O.J. Simpson fires lawyer on eve of Nevada appeal
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

**snip**

Galanter said he remains in charge of the case but needs a Nevada lawyer to appear with him before courts in that state.

Lavergne, who had sought to represent Simpson after his arrest, said he was retained to "help handle the appeal."

He said appeals were not one of his specialties, but that he once worked as a clerk in the New York Court of Appeals.

**snip**


Let me guess... Lavergne's going to impress the Supreme Court because he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Run, Grasso, run!!!

[William Anthony]

I notice he didn't object to the lack of racial diversity on the criminal trial jury. :rolleyes:

He was a gracious winner.;)

[weezer]

let me guess... Lavergne's going to impress the supreme court because he stayed at a holiday inn express last night? Run, grasso, run!!!

lol --

[William Anthony]

Let's see how the appeal impresses the Supreme Court.;)

[tv]

He was a gracious winner.;)

He was even gracious to the 'real' killers -- never tried to find out who they were or accepted free help offered to him to find them, never said anything unkind about Mark Fuhrman, and didn't mock the Goldman's directly -- he let Johnnie do it for him. The real mark of character is how a person loses and we saw his demeanor after losing in the Nevada courtroom. I seem to recall there were some tears involved. :)

[William Anthony]

He was even gracious to the 'real' killers -- never tried to find out who they were or accepted free help offered to him to find them, never said anything unkind about Mark Fuhrman, and didn't mock the Goldman's directly -- he let Johnnie do it for him. The real mark of character is how a person loses and we saw his demeanor after losing in the Nevada courtroom. I seem to recall there were some tears involved. :)

Are you sure that you are confusing him with Darden?:)

[tv]

Are you sure that you are confusing him with Darden?:)

Positive. :)

[William Anthony]

Positive. :)

So, the same standards do not apply to Darden because, "I seem to recall there were some tears involved ", after he lost in the courtroom.

[tv]

So, the same standards do not apply to Darden because, "I seem to recall there were some tears involved ", after he lost in the courtroom.

We were discussing OJ Simpson's demeanor not Darden's but I understand that you're trying to deflect the focus away from OJS. It's okay. :)

[William Anthony]

We were discussing OJ Simpson's demeanor not Darden's but I understand that you're trying to deflect the focus away from OJS. It's okay. :)

You were discussing how you saw Simpson's demeanor when he lost the case and mentioned that you recalled tears and I simply asked did the same standards that you observed in regard to tears and losing also apply to Darden.:) If you mean that they don't and are trying to deflect the conversation away from equality or impartiality, then say so. :)

[tv]

You were discussing how you saw Simpson's demeanor when he lost the case and mentioned that you recalled tears and I simply asked did the same standards that you observed in regard to tears and losing also apply to Darden.:) If you mean that they don't and are trying to deflect the conversation away from equality or impartiality, then say so. :)

If you want to enumerate and judge everyone involved in the Simpson cases who shed tears just say so. :)

[William Anthony]

If you want to enumerate and judge everyone involved in the Simpson cases who shed tears just say so. :)

It wasn't me that mentioned tears and losing. It was you. If you only want to judge Simpson by that standard, say so.:)

[tv]

It wasn't me that mentioned tears and losing. It was you. If you only want to judge Simpson by that standard, say so.:)

This is OJ In The News Again not Darden In The News Again. :)

[weezer]

This is OJ In The News Again not Darden In The News Again. :)

Ha -- I laugh everytime I watch the "I'm so sorry" video at his sentencing when it gets to the part about "I sang to the mothers when my friend's had babies" -- or some such inane comment. :tongue:

[William Anthony]

This is OJ In The News Again not Darden In The News Again. :)

So, because it is Simpson in the news again and you made a comment about tears and losing a case, you do not believe it allows for a question about your equal application of that standard, correct?

[tv]

So, because it is Simpson in the news again and you made a comment about tears and losing a case, you do not believe it allows for a question about your equal application of that standard, correct?

Sure, you can ask.

[tv]

Ha -- I laugh everytime I watch the "I'm so sorry" video at his sentencing when it gets to the part about "I sang to the mothers when my friend's had babies" -- or some such inane comment. :tongue:

He still thinks he can babble on and on and people are impressed. I'm so glad that Riccio recorded the whole thing and showed just a little of how ugly OJ Simpson can get. ;)

[weezer]

So, because it is Simpson in the news again and you made a comment about tears and losing a case, you do not believe it allows for a question about your equal application of that standard, correct?

why does there have to be equal application about how you feel when you see someone cry versus someone else? Good Lord!

most of us enjoyed watching orenthal whine and cry and most of us felt sadness when Darden cried -- we understood that Darden was crying for the victims and their families wheras orenthal was crying for SURPRISE! -- orenthal.

[William Anthony]

Sure, you can ask.

Thanks for allowing me the privilege.:)

[William Anthony]

Just wondering did we have some biases that allow for standards not to be equally applied when we evaluate the actions of others and the question was asked specifically of one poster as to what she thought. It is alright, if others feel differently, IMHO.

[weezer]

Just wondering did we have some biases that allow for standards not to be equally applied when we evaluate the actions of others and the question was asked specifically of one poster as to what she thought. It is alright, if others feel differently, IMHO.

of course there are biases that allow for difference in how we evaluate the actions of others! there was no sympathy for the murderer and there was for the guy who fought for the victims and families. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

So, the application of biased standards prevent equality.

[weezer]

So, the application of biased standards prevent equality.

you know that 'circular argument' thing you're always complaining about to other posters -- :eek:

[William Anthony]

Certain posts are not circular but plain, IMHO, the standard should only apply to Simpson, despite the fact that doing so would be biased and the application of the standard would be unequal.

[weezer]

Certain posts are not circular but plain, IMHO, the standard should only apply to Simpson, despite the fact that doing so would be biased and the application of the standard would be unequal.

and that matters how? simpson is a double murderer, abuser, liar, thief, and convicted felon. Darden is a decent guy that fought for the victims and their families.

[William Anthony]

We were talking about people that lose and cry. So, depending on what our conclusions are about a person, we should apply unequal standards to them, correct?

[weezer]

We were talking about people that lose and cry. So, depending on what our conclusions are about a person, we should apply unequal standards to them, correct?

the only person talking about anyone else is you william. not sure why you felt the need but. . . . .

I understand that you believe if I have something, then you should also have it or even have it instead of me -- so if that's what you're basing your silly statement on then -- okay. and, yes, depending on MY conclusions about a person, I apply whatever standards I want.

[William Anthony]

That is what I said about the post long time ago. ;)

[weezer]

That is what I said about the post long time ago. ;)

LOL -- do you ever throw your shoulder out slapping yourself on the back? :tongue:

[William Anthony]

The one thing that keeps me going is finding out I was right about a poster. :)

[weezer]

The one thing that keeps me going is finding out I was right about a poster. :)

hmmm -- and I thought it was striving to help mankind -- go figure

[William Anthony]

How better to help mankind than to understand it? ;)

[weezer]

How better to help mankind than to understand it? ;)

you're not wanting or trying to understand mankind -- sad.

[William Anthony]

:), :), :), :)

[weezer]

OJ asks release from Nevada prison during appeal
The Associated Press
Posted: 06/01/2009 02:09:07 PM PDT
Updated: 06/01/2009 02:09:08 PM PDT

LAS VEGAS—O.J. Simpson is asking the Nevada Supreme Court to let him out of prison while it decides whether to overturn his conviction in an armed hotel room heist.

A clerk says a motion was filed Monday with the state's only appellate court seeking unspecified bail for the former football star and television celebrity.

No date was immediately set for a court ruling.

The 61-year-old Simpson is serving nine to 33 years for kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon in the gunpoint robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers in September 2007.

The court also ruled Friday that Simpson and co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart each have to file appendices to their separate appeals.

Stewart is serving 7 1/2 to 27 years for his conviction in the case.

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson memorabilia, used as evidence in Santa Monica court, awaits sale
10:53 AM | June 1, 2009

Footballs, jerseys and other O.J. Simpson memorabilia used as evidence in the former NFL star’s armed robbery and kidnapping trial in Las Vegas are now in a Santa Monica courthouse awaiting a sheriff’s sale, according to a lawyer for Fred Goldman.

The items are to be sold to satisfy part of the $33.5-million civil judgment against Simpson in the deaths of his ex-wife, Nicole, and Goldman’s son, Ron, the lawyer said.

A spokesman for the L.A. Sheriff’s Department, asked to confirm this information, said he was checking into the matter. [Updated, 11:09 a.m.] A sheriff's spokesman said the department had received one box of memorabilia. "It is secure. We will now wait for written instruction from the court by way of the Goldmans' attorneys," said Steve Whitmore.

A Las Vegas jury convicted Simpson in October of a host of felonies stemming from an encounter with memorabilia dealers in a casino hotel room in 2007. Simpson, 61, is currently serving a sentence of nine to 33 years in a northern Nevada prison.

The men believed they were meeting a potential buyer, but instead Simpson and a group of associates, some armed, confronted the two dealers and seized the memorabilia.

Goldman attorney David Cook said he expected the dealers and perhaps others involved in the case will try to claim the items before the sale. “Suffice it to say, we will see who emerges with what toys from that sandbox,” Cook said.

-- Harriet Ryan

[weezer]

FILED
JUN 0 1 2009
TRACIE K. LINDEMAN
CLERK OF SUPREME COURT
BY
MOTION FOR BAIL PENDING APPEAL
DECLARATION
MALCOLM P. LAVERGNE, ESQ., makes the following declaration:

1. I am an attorney duly licensed to practice law in the State of Nevada.

2. I represent the Defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, in the instant matter and am familiar with the facts and circumstances of this case.

3. Simpson was tried, convicted and incarcerated at Lovelock Correctional Facility, located in Lovelock, Nevada.

4. Simpson was out on bail during his trial in Clark County. He never missed a court appearance and scrupulously honored all of his court commitments.

5. At the time of filing this Motion for Bail, Simpson has also filed Appellant's Opening Brief with the required Appendix thereto.

6. Simpson has been a resident of Miami, Florida for the past nine (9) years.

7. Simpson owns a home in Miami-Dade County, Florida, where three (3) of his children currently reside.

8. Simpson provides financial support for his children in college tuition and expenses for two (2) of his children.

9. Prior to this incident, Simpson had no significant criminal convictions.

10. Simpson is not a flight risk and he is not a danger to the community.

11. Simpson had surrendered his passport at the outset of his trial not withstanding to jury verdict in this case. That passport remains in the custody of the Clerk. Simpson continues to maintain his innocence.

12. Simpson has his entire life invested in this instant case. If released on Bail, he will continue to make his court appearances and adhere to all court orders.

13. While Simpson has filed his Appellant's Opening Brief along with this motion , the process of pursuing a direct appeal with this court can be a very long and time consuming process.

14. Simpson has raised eight (8) meritorious legal issues for this court to decide.

15. By granting this request for bail , justice will be served so that Simpson will not be unduly prejudiced by delays inherent in our legal system.

16. The legislature clearly intended that post conviction bail be available in cases with meritorious appellate issues . As this court stated in Bergna v. State, NRS 178.484(1 ), "Bail may be allowed pending appeal or certiorari unless it appears the appeal is frivolous or taken for delay ." Id. at 120 Nev.869, 873 (2004).

17. While it is true that Simpson does not have a Constitutional Right to bail given the circumstances of the instant case , the issues presented in Appellant's Opening Brief, the setting of a reasonable bail is appropriate.
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct to the best of my information and belief . (NRS 53.045).

[William Anthony]

Simpson's lawyers seem to making all the right moves, IMHO.

[martin II]

LETS SEE

ONE BOX OF SOMETHING.$200.00?
Maby Beadsley or Riccio will buy it.

[weezer]

Posted: June 2, 2009 02:19 AM
A Prosecutor's View: OJ is Banking on the Race Card, Again!

It is no surprise that OJ is appealing his conviction. After all, what else does he have going on for the next 33 years? Will he continue his supposed attempts to search for Nicole Brown's and Ron Goldman's real killer? Or will he find creative new ways to bilk the Goldmans out of the money they rightfully deserve?

OJ is going back to the ploy that worked the first time: it's one of the oldest trial advocacy tricks in the books: If the facts are on your side, argue the facts; if the law is on your side; argue the law; but if nothing is on your side, argue....race!

Trial advocacy is what turned the OJ Simpson double murder case into one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in legal history, and definitely the biggest case in my generation. While everybody has opinions about the specifics of the case, it really all comes down to this: Johnnie Cochran out-advocated the prosecution when he spoke from passion and feeling. When Cochran spoke, people listened and believed. Johnnie Cochran was able to take his own personal passion and pride for his race and effectively transfer it to one of the whitest black men out there -- OJ Simpson.

There are no two ways about it -- without Johnnie, the real killer (and I mean OJ) is out there for everyone to see. And now, it's time for one of the world's most infamous and narcissistic criminals to finally get what he deserved. Has OJ forgotten that this time, it was his actions and crimes that were the basis for his trial and conviction?

What about that all-white-jury thing? I know what you're wondering... isn't that a viable argument for appeal? Look, both the prosecution and the defense got to choose who the jury commissioner put on the jury panel. It is the lawyers' job (yes, both the prosecutor's and defense attorney's job) to pick the best jurors they can.

I'm sure that prosecutors did not want an all-white jury for no other reason than to avoid the appearance of racism. But at the end of the day, the prosecutor's goal is not to worry about appearances, but to worry about actual bias. Out of the ten available preemptory challenges, the prosecutor exercised only two -- against two black women. One woman cited her strong religious ties and admitted that she would be inclined to "forgive" OJ; the other said she was hesitant about sending anyone to prison.

I ask you, don't you think the prosecutor has a duty to remove someone who won't convict due to her predisposition to forgive? The same argument applies to someone hesitant to send a person to jail, regardless of race.

Clark County District Attorney David Roger was not a racist; he was merely being a good lawyer and advocate. By doing so, he ensured that the jury did its job, too. Roger accomplished what the Los Angeles prosecutors was unable to do in 1994: he laid out the facts, proved his case by speaking with passion and feeling, and consequently did his best to win the case.

As Roger himself said, "While the appeal is certainly his constitutional right, I am confident the guilty verdict from the Clark County court will stand." And I agree!

[William Anthony]

Most of the article seems to be a criticism of the criminal murder trial and a critique of the magnificent one with very little emphasis on the Nevada criminal trial but let looks at what the article does say and remember that the law says that a prosecution's reasons for excluding Blacks from the jury cannot be speculative.

I'm sure that prosecutors did not want an all-white jury for no other reason than to avoid the appearance of racism. But at the end of the day, the prosecutor's goal is not to worry about appearances, but to worry about actual bias. Out of the ten available preemptory challenges, the prosecutor exercised only two -- against two black women. One woman cited her strong religious ties and admitted that she would be inclined to "forgive" OJ; the other said she was hesitant about sending anyone to prison.

Based on the presumption of innocence everyone should be hesitant about sending someone to jail. Being inclined toward forgiveness, is not saying that they couldn't punish someone.

[weezer]

IN NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S WORDS

by Andrea Dworkin

From the Los Angeles Times January 29, 1995

Words matter. O.J. Simpson's defense team asked Judge Lance A. Ito to order the prosecution to say domestic discord rather than domestic violence or even spousal abuse--already euphemisms for wife-beating--and to disallow the words battered wife and stalker. Ito refused to alter reality by altering language but some media complied--for example, "Rivera Live," where domestic discord became a new term of art. The lawyer who successfully defended William Kennedy Smith on a rape charge also used that term systematically.

Where is the victim's voice? Where are her words? "I'm scared," Nicole Brown told her mother a few months before she was killed. "I go to the gas station, he's there. I go to the Payless Shoe Store, and he's there. I'm driving, and he's behind me."

Nicole's ordinary words of fear, despair and terror told to friends, and concrete descriptions of physical attacks recorded in her diary, are being kept from the jury. Insignificant when she was alive--because they didn't save her--the victim's words remain insignificant in death: excluded from the trial of her accused murderer, called "hearsay" and not admissible in a legal system that has consistently protected or ignored the beating and sexual abuse of women by men, especially by husbands.

Nicole called a battered women's shelter five days before her death. The jury will not have to listen--but we must. Evidence of the attacks on her by Simpson that were witnessed in public will be allowed at trial. But most of what a batterer does is in private. The worst beatings, the sustained acts of sadism, have no witnesses. Only she knows. To refuse to listen to Nicole Brown Simpson is to refuse to know.

The law, including the FBI, and social scientists used to maintain that wife-beating did not exist in the United States. But in recent years, the FBI acknowledged that wife-beating is this country's most commonly committed violent crime.

Such a change happens this way. First, there is a terrible and intimidating silence--it can last centuries. Inside that silence, men have a legal or a tacit right to beat their wives. Then, with the support of a strong political movement, victims of the abuse speak out about what has been done to them and by whom. They break the silence. One day, enough victims have spoken--sometimes in words, sometimes by running away or seeking refuge or striking back or killing in self-defense--that they can be counted and studied: Social scientists find a pattern of injury and experts describe it.

The words of experts matter. They are listened to respectfully, are often paid to give evidence in legal cases. Meanwhile, the voice of the victim still has no social standing or legal significance. She still has no credibility such that each of us--and the law--is compelled to help her.

We blame her, as the batterer did. We ask why she stayed, though we, of course, were not prepared to stand between her and the batterer so that she could leave. And if, after she is dead, we tell the police that we heard the accused murderer beat her in 1977, and saw her with black eyes--as Nicole's neighbors did--we will not be allowed to testify, which may be the only justice in this, since it has taken us 17 years to bother to speak at all. I was a battered wife; I had such neighbors.

Every battered woman learns early on not to expect help. A battered woman confides in someone, when she does, to leave a trail. She overcomes her fear of triggering violence in the batterer if he finds out that she has spoken in order to leave a verbal marker somewhere, with someone. She thinks the other person's word will be believed later.

Every battered woman faces death more than once, and each time the chance is real: The batterer decides. Eventually, she's fractured inside by the continuing degradation and her emotional world is a landscape of desperation. Of course, she smiles in public and is a good wife. He insists--and so do we.

The desperation is part fear--fear of pain, fear of dying--and part isolation, a brutal aloneness, because everything has failed--every call for help to anyone, every assumption about love, every hope for self-respect and even a shred of dignity. What dignity is there, after all, in confessing, as Nicole did in her diary, that O.J. started beating her on a street in New York and, in their hotel room, "continued to beat me for hours as I kept crawling for the door." He kept hitting her while sexually using her, which is rape--because no meaningful consent is possible or plausible in the context of this violence.

Every battered woman's life has in it many rapes like this one. Sometimes, one complies without the overt violence but in fear of it. Or sometimes, one initiates sex to try to stop or head off a beating. Of course, there are also the so-called good times--when romance overcomes the memory of violence. Both the violation and the complicity make one deeply ashamed. The shame is corrosive. Whatever the batterer left, it attacks. Why would one tell? How can one face it?

Those of us who are not jurors have a moral obligation to listen to Nicole Simpson's words: to how O.J. Simpson locked her in a wine closet after beating her and watched TV while she begged him to let her out; to how, in a different hotel room, "O.J. threw me against the walls . . . and on the floor. Put bruises on my arm and back. The window scared me. Thought he'd throw me out." We need to hear how he "threw a fit, chased me, grabbed me, threw me into walls. Threw all my clothes out of the window into the street three floors below. Bruised me." We need to hear how he stalked her after their divorce. "Everywhere I go," she told a friend, "he shows up. I really think he is going to kill me."

We need, especially, to hear her call to a battered women's shelter five days before her murder. In ruling that call inadmissible, Ito said: "To the man or woman on the street, the relevance and probative value of such evidence is both obvious and compelling . . . . However, the laws and appellate-court decisions that must be applied . . . held otherwise." The man and woman on the street need to hear what was obvious to her: The foreknowledge that death was stalking her.

We need to believe Nicole's words to know the meaning of terror--it isn't a movie of the week--and to face the treason we committed against her life by abandoning her.

When I was being beaten by a shrewd and dangerous man 25 years ago, I was buried alive in silence. I didn't know that such horror had ever happened to anyone else. The silence was unbreachable and unbearable. Imagine Nicole being buried alive, then dead, in noise--our pro-woman, pro-equality noise; or our pro-family, pro-law-and-order noise. For what it's worth--to Nicole nothing--the shame of battery is all ours.

[William Anthony]

Simpson was not on trial for being a batterer and the eminent authority of battery said he was not the type to progress to murder in her opinion.

[weezer]

Questions the jury had to answer
Jurors in the O.J. Simpson civil trial answered "yes" to all the questions put to them about Simpson's liability; they will have to consider punitive damages because they answered "yes" to questions 3, 4, 6 or 7. If they had answered "no" to questions 1 and 5, they would have ignored the other questions.

1. Do you find by a preponderance of the evidence that defendant Simpson willfully and wrongfully caused the death of Ronald Goldman?

2. Do you find by a preponderance of the evidence that defendant Simpson committed battery against Ronald Goldman?

3. Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed oppression in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Ronald Goldman?

4. Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed malice in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Ronald Goldman?

5. Do you find by a preponderance of the evidence that defendant Simpson committed battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?

6. Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed oppression in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?

7. Do you find by clear and convincing evidence that defendant Simpson committed malice in the conduct upon which you base your finding of liability for battery against Nicole Brown Simpson?

8. In a question about compensatory damages, jurors were asked how much money Goldman's parents, Fred Goldman and Sharon Rufo, should receive for loss of their son's companionship. Jurors were to determine a lump sum and they decided on $8.5 million, which the judge will divide between the two parents. Nicole Brown Simpson's estate did not seek damages for loss of companionship.

[fgump2]

Simpson was not on trial for being a batterer and the eminent authority of battery said he was not the type to progress to murder in her opinion.
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I think your logic is weak on a lot of points. I don't think L. Walker spoke with any degree of certainty. In any case another expert on Simpson's behavior toward woman, Nicole B. Simpson, predicted he would. And other psychological experts such as Saul Faerstein, John Douglas of the FBI, and others came up with evidence that also pointed toward Simpson, as did Nicole's therapist, Susan Forward.

I also disagree with your criticism of Darden. Crying for a few minutes after a 9 month case is a small mistake. He had been criticized by others for other things that are more serious such as the glove demonstration, and many have criticized his statements that he could tell that many of the prospective black jurors wanted to 'settle a score" and were therefor biased in favor of Simpson. I don't know enough about either race relations or jury behavior and selection to evaluate this, but it is more important than crying for a few minutes.

I would like to know what Cochran meant when he said something like"I can now guarantee a hung jury at worst. I think he said that right after the jury was seleceted so maybe Darden was correct. In any case Darden gave contadictory stories about what he thought the prosecution's chances of were.

[William Anthony]

This from the link provided,

"IN NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S WORDS

by Andrea Dworkin

From the Los Angeles Times January 29, 1995

Words matter. O.J. Simpson's defense team asked Judge Lance A. Ito to order the prosecution to say domestic discord rather than domestic violence or even spousal abuse--"

Judge Ito took no part in the socio political production and, in the trial that Ito did take a part, Simpson was not on trial for battery. :)

[weezer]

quote by Cochran:

“Give me a jury with only one Black on it and I’ll guarantee a hung jury [even though the client is guilty, of course].”

And there were nine Blacks on the Simpson jury.

[William Anthony]

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I think your logic is weak on a lot of points. I don't think L. Walker spoke with any degree of certainty. In any case another expert on Simpson's behavior toward woman, Nicole B. Simpson, predicted he would. And other psychological experts such as Saul Faerstein, John Douglas of the FBI, and others came up with evidence that also pointed toward Simpson, as did Nicole's therapist, Susan Forward.

I also disagree with your criticism of Darden. Crying for a few minutes after a 9 month case is a small mistake. He had been criticized by others for other things that are more serious such as the glove demonstration, and many have criticized his statements that he could tell that many of the prospective black jurors wanted to 'settle a score" and were therefor biased in favor of Simpson. I don't know enough about either race relations or jury behavior and selection to evaluate this, but it is more important than crying for a few minutes.

I would like to know what Cochran meant when he said something like"I can now guarantee a hung jury at worst. I think he said that right after the jury was seleceted so maybe Darden was correct. In any case Darden gave contadictory stories about what he thought the prosecution's chances of were.

WTH? You speak of my logic being weak but Dr. L. Walker, who is recognized as the eminent authority, said that Simpson did not suffer from any anti social disorder. We have discussed the limited contact that those you have mentioned had with Simpson. However, let's now look at more of your logic.

You disagree with my criticism of Darden? What criticism is that? I have asked should not the same standard be applied to Darden who cried after losing a case, as Simpson allegedly did. You then point to others' criticism of Darden and not mine and then you say this, " I don't know enough about either race relations or jury behavior and selection to evaluate this, but it is more important than crying for a few minutes". If you do not know enough to evaluate something, how can you logically say it is more or less important than something else?

You then say, "I would like to know what Cochran meant when he said something like"I can now guarantee a hung jury at worst." What does what the magnificent one had to say do with Darden? In any event your statement means that you do not know what the magnificent one meant and even though you have previously stated your lack of knowledge on race relations and jury behavior, you deduce, quite illogically, IMHO, that Darden was correct when he said the jurors wanted to settle a score. I see that my logic is different from yours and, if you think my logic is weak, I can see why your logic allows you to think this. :)

[William Anthony]

Link please to this alleged quote.

quote by Cochran:

“Give me a jury with only one Black on it and I’ll guarantee a hung jury [even though the client is guilty, of course].”

[weezer]

In one of the great tacky episodes of all time, Johnnie Cochran's first wife and his white mistress, who goes by the name of Patricia Cochran, joined forces on Geraldo to let Johnnie Cochran have it on the day after he tried to convince the jury that important evidence at the crime scene had been moved or contaminated by the Los Angeles Police Department.

Patricia Cochran told Geraldo, "Before they selected the jury, I asked him, 'Johnnie, what are you going to do?' And he said, 'Sweetheart...just give me one black person on that jury--that's all I ask, one,' and he could get a hung jury."

[fgump2]

WTH? You speak of my logic being weak but Dr. L. Walker, who is recognized as the eminent authority, said that Simpson did not suffer from any anti social disorder. We have discussed the limited contact that those you have mentioned had with Simpson. However, let's now look at more of your logic. you criticized Saul Faerstein for not spending enough time with Mr. Simpson before passing judgement on him. Had L. Walker spent more time with SImpson than S. Faerstein? I think L. Walker's conclusion involved more fine tuning than did Faersein.

You disagree with my criticism of Darden? What criticism is that? I have asked should not the same standard be applied to Darden who cried after losing a case, as Simpson allegedly did. You then point to others' criticism of Darden and not mine and then you say this, " I don't know enough about either race relations or jury behavior and selection to evaluate this, but it is more important than crying for a few minutes". If you do not know enough to evaluate something, how can you logically say it is more or less important than something else? To me crying for a few minutes after a 9 month trial is trivia. Making a generalization about prospective jurors, that they were more interested in settling a racial score than in jutice, isn't trivia? I still don't know if it is true or not, but justice is important".
You then say, "I would like to know what Cochran meant when he said something like"I can now guarantee a hung jury at worst." What does what the magnificent one had to say do with Darden? In any event your statement means that you do not know what the magnificent one meant and even though you have previously stated your lack of knowledge on race relations and jury behavior, you deduce, quite illogically, IMHO, that Darden was correct when he said the jurors wanted to settle a score. I see that my logic is different from yours and, if you think my logic is weak, I can see why your logic allows you to think this. :)

Cochran made this quote right after the jury selection was made. I remember it irritated me at the time. I don't think he explained what he meant, or whether the jury selection guaranteed a non guilty virdict (that is hung jury the worst possible case).

I still don't know if Darden was correct, but the fact that more has been written about Darden crying than about whether he was correct about the prospective jurors (he wasn't just talking about the jurors selected) is important. I suppose this sort of thing, more emphasis on Darden crying is what you have to expect in tinsle town.

Cochran's statements have to do with Darden in that these two were part of the trial. I am more justified in bringing up Cochrans statements than you are in bringing up stuff about slavery.

[William Anthony]

Cochran made this quote right after the jury selection was made. I remember it irritated me at the time. I don't think he explained what he meant, or whether the jury selection guaranteed a non guilty virdict (that is hung jury the worst possible case).

I still don't know if Darden was correct, but the fact that more has been written about Darden crying than about whether he was correct about the prospective jurors (he wasn't just talking about the jurors selected) is important. I suppose this sort of thing, more emphasis on Darden crying is what you have to expect in tinsle town.

Cochran's statements have to do with Darden in that these two were part of the trial. I am more justified in bringing up Cochrans statements than you are in bringing up stuff about slavery.

The conversation was about whether there should be an equal standard applied to a comparison of Darden and Simpson, who both cried and lost a case. You then brought up a statement about the jury made by the magnificent one and a connotation of race. However, IMHO, the statement you allege do the magnificent one had nothing to do with Darden or Simpson crying. However, I do see it as a comment on race, which fits perfectly into how the descendants of slaves could view the evidence differently from the descendants of slave masters and others of the slave masters' persuasion due to America's infamous history on racial equality. However, I guess you could stretch logic to the boundaries and say that the magnificent one's comments was a comment that a Black jury based on America's history would understand the evidence of planting and Darden was crying because he did not understand that and lost, whereas, in the socio political production a White jury selected from a predominately White community would understand that a case of evidence planting should not be allowed against LE and would not understand the evidence of planting, which led to a guilty verdict, causing Simpson to cry because he understood that the magnificent one's statement was correct. However, I think that is too far a stretch of logic for you to say that simply because the magnificent one and Darden were part of a trial that the magnificent one's statement had more to do with Simpson and Darden crying than slavery had to do with equal application of standards. :)

I agree that the selection of the juries were only a part of a larger issue to include the jury pools. :)

Link please to the statement you claim the magnificent made?

[William Anthony]

I am not talking about the hearsay statement alleged to have been made by the magnificent one. The claim has been made the he said it the day after the jury was selected and a poster remembered him saying it, which irritated the poster. I would like for the poster to supply a link to that statement, which irritated the poster. The magnificent one's Patricia said he made a statement before the jury was selected. Anyone can believe he said it and anyone can believe he did not. I think that is the appropriate way of stating what one thinks was the statement, unless like MF, there is a tape and proper authentication of the tape has been made.:)

[fgump2]

The conversation was about whether there should be an equal standard applied to a comparison of Darden and Simpson, who both cried and lost a case. You then brought up a statement about the jury made by the magnificent one and a connotation of race. However, IMHO, the statement you allege do the magnificent one had nothing to do with Darden or Simpson crying. However, I do see it as a comment on race, which fits perfectly into how the descendants of slaves could view the evidence differently from the descendants of slave masters and others of the slave masters' persuasion due to America's infamous history on racial equality. However, I guess you could stretch logic to the boundaries and say that the magnificent one's comments was a comment that a Black jury based on America's history would understand the evidence of planting and Darden was crying because he did not understand that and lost, whereas, in the socio political production a White jury selected from a predominately White community would understand that a case of evidence planting should not be allowed against LE and would not understand the evidence of planting, which led to a guilty verdict, causing Simpson to cry because he understood that the magnificent one's statement was correct. However, I think that is too far a stretch of logic for you to say that simply because the magnificent one and Darden were part of a trial that the magnificent one's statement had more to do with Simpson and Darden crying than slavery had to do with equal application of standards. :)

I agree that the selection of the juries were only a part of a larger issue to include the jury pools. :)

Link please to the statement you claim the magnificent made?

I don't have a link to the satement by Cochrant I was probably at least partly wrong because I brought this up while WA and someone else were arguing about two people crying, SImpson and Darden, I think. Bringing in Cochran was a bit out of line, even though I think he did make that statement.

I suppose the best way for me to find a link to Cochran's statement would be to search LA times issues at the time the jury selection was ending. I don't plan on that.

Potential biases by prspective jurors is an important issue that I don't know how to approach. I think I remembered Cochran's statement and connected it with Darden's statement about prospective jurors wanting to settle a racial score.

I continue to think that Darden's crying was a small issue, but if so, then so is other people's crying. So there are two issues here. I don't have a clean cut conclusion on either.

[William Anthony]

I don't have a link to the satement by Cochrant I was probably at least partly wrong because I brought this up while WA and someone else were arguing about two people crying, SImpson and Darden, I think. Bringing in Cochran was a bit out of line, even though I think he did make that statement.

I suppose the best way for me to find a link to Cochran's statement would be to search LA times issues at the time the jury selection was ending. I don't plan on that.

Potential biases by prspective jurors is an important issue that I don't know how to approach. I think I remembered Cochran's statement and connected it with Darden's statement about prospective jurors wanting to settle a racial score.

I continue to think that Darden's crying was a small issue, but if so, then so is other people's crying. So there are two issues here. I don't have a clean cut conclusion on either.

I understand your position better, now. :)

[weezer]

Clark County prosecutors: Keep O.J. locked up
By Cy Ryan (contact)

Thu, Jun 4, 2009 (6:34 p.m.)

CARSON CITY – O.J. Simpson, sentenced to 33 years for robbing collectible dealers in Las Vegas, is a flight risk if he is allowed on bail, says the Clark County District Attorney’s Office.

Attorneys for the former football star filed a petition with the Nevada Supreme Court last week, asking that Simpson be released on bail while his appeal is considered.

Simpson, 61, is serving his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center.

Steven S. Owens, chief deputy district attorney for Clark County, said Simpson wants to return to Florida during his appeal to the Supreme Court. He said this would “further hinder the state’s ability to supervise him and increase the likelihood of flight.”

Owens said the district judge in Clark County previously denied the request for bail.

“Simpson has exhibited previous contempt for court orders and failed to follow conditions of his previous bail,” Owens said.

Lawyers for Simpson filed their opening brief on appeal, saying District Judge Jackie Glass made numerous errors during the trial and the conviction should be overturned.

Simpson was found guilty of kidnapping, robbery, use of a deadly weapon, assault and conspiracy. He and his companions entered the room at the Palace Station Hotel in Las Vegas and took property from Bruce Fromong and Alfred Beardsley.

Simpson claimed the property had been stolen from him previously.

[William Anthony]

I suppose the best way for me to find a link to Cochran's statement would be to search LA times issues at the time the jury selection was ending. I don't plan on that.

I see that a poster doesn't plan on following the rules, or, perhaps that rule has been changed. :)

[weezer]

Anyone ever hear/read/see anything from cockroach disputing this? Yep, me neither. :shrug:

"In one of the great tacky episodes of all time, Johnnie Cochran's first wife and his white mistress, who goes by the name of Patricia Cochran, joined forces on Geraldo to let Johnnie Cochran have it on the day after he tried to convince the jury that important evidence at the crime scene had been moved or contaminated by the Los Angeles Police Department.

Patricia Cochran told Geraldo, "Before they selected the jury, I asked him, 'Johnnie, what are you going to do?' And he said, 'Sweetheart...just give me one black person on that jury--that's all I ask, one,' and he could get a hung jury."

[William Anthony]

Sometimes to defend against a claim that is false, only lends credibility to the claim.

[weezer]

D.A. Says O.J. Simpson a Flight Risk, Should Stay Jailed During Appeal
Friday, June 05, 2009

". . .Criminal defendants are rarely, if ever, released from prison pending the appeal process," Clark County District Attorney David Roger said in a statement after filing documents late Thursday opposing bail.

"Mr. Simpson is a convicted criminal who does not deserve preferential treatment," Roger said. . ."

:shrug:

[William Anthony]

Neither does Madoff, IMHO.

[weezer]

less we forget:

. . .items found in the Bronco: a change of clothing, a loaded gun, a large amount of cash, a passport, keys to Nicole's condo, and a disguise kit. . . :chicken:

[weezer]

". . .On March 12, 2009, Madoff pled guilty to an 11-count criminal complaint, admitting to defrauding thousands of investors. Federal prosecutors estimated client losses, which included fabricated gains, of almost $65 billion. . ."

". . .On February 5, 1997, the jury unanimously found there was a preponderance of evidence to find Simpson liable for damages in the wrongful death of Goldman and battery of Brown. In its conclusions, the jury effectively found Simpson liable for the death of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. On February 21, 2008, a Los Angeles court upheld a renewal of the civil judgment against him. . ."

[William Anthony]

. . .items found in the Bronco: a change of clothing, a loaded gun, a large amount of cash, a passport, keys to Nicole's condo, and a disguise kit. . .

When did Simpson escape jail in Nevada?

[William Anthony]

I have often said that no matter how many times a lie is told it will not transform it into the truth. While some may want to say what the civil verdict effectively meant, i.e. stated as truth, the truth is that Simpson was not found liable for murdering anyone and was only found liable for the wrongful death of Mr. RG. This is why LE in Nevada said California could not get him, but we will.

[martin II]

Neither does Madoff, IMHO.

Madoff lied to the SEC for 30 years,broke a bunch of financial and IRS laws filed false trading reports and issued false profit reports to investors for about 30 years. he admitted to all of it and is out on bail.

Madoff has great financial ability to flee.

[William Anthony]

Does anyone know if Sir Issac Newton made the statement about tact before or after the apple fell on his head?:) I heard it was a coworker who threw an apple and hit him, because he was tired of Sir Issac goofing off and tactfully told him the apple had fallen from the tree. :)

[weezer]

you can have my money -- just let me live!

[William Anthony]

I have wanted my own money and my own life. What do you call money that is not yours? Notcho cheese.

[weezer]

Sports agent hems on O.J. Simpson's clothes
Los Angeles Times
Sports agent Mike Gilbert, seen with the suit in question, is a former confidant of Simpson. He published a book titled “How I Helped O.J. Get Away With Murder.”
Mike Gilbert says he owns the suit that the former football player wore the day he was acquitted of double murder. At other times, he appears to deny it.
By Harriet Ryan
June 12, 2009
The suit O.J. Simpson wore the day he was acquitted of murder charges hangs in the bedroom closet of a house south of Fresno.

Or maybe it doesn't.



O.J. Simpson suitIt depends on the mood of the balding, bespectacled former sports agent who owns the house and maybe the suit.

"I've had it in my possession since the morning after the verdict," Mike Gilbert declared at the start of a recent interview.

Twenty minutes of circuitous conversation later, he backtracked: "When I told you that before, I wasn't under oath."


The once grand legal battles of Simpson's double murder case, which began 15 years ago today with the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman, have come to this -- an argument over a jacket and pair of trousers.

The case that transfixed the country has largely disappeared from cable news and dinner conversation. It made a brief return last year with Simpson's armed robbery and kidnapping conviction.

But it never left the docket of the Los Angeles County Superior Court. The wrongful-death lawsuit won by the victims' families more than a dozen years ago remains a pending matter, and the brownish-green suit an open issue.

Goldman's father and sister, whose dogged pursuit of their portion of the $33.5-million jury verdict has kept the case active, turned their attention to the "acquittal suit" last year after Gilbert appeared on the "Dr. Phil" show.

Promoting a book about his soured friendship with Simpson, Gilbert said that he had the suit, that it was worth at least $50,000 and that he would give it and other items to the Goldmans to atone for the help he gave a man he now believes is a murderer.

But the Goldmans say Gilbert refused to return their calls or produce the suit. This quickly led to another kind of suit -- the type written by lawyers. The Goldmans demanded the clothing and anything else Simpson had given to Gilbert after the slayings.

The outfit worn by Simpson during what was then the most-watched moment in U.S. television history "might have significant economic value," wrote one of their lawyers.

"The stylishness of the suit became emblematic of his invincibility to the justice system. It was a suit of armor. This was not a man who was beaten down," said lawyer David Cook.

But with a judge poised to take the issue up Monday, there are questions about whether the garment is the same one Simpson was wearing when he and 150 million Americans watching on TV heard the words "not guilty."

Simpson, locked in a Nevada prison for the next nine to 33 years, isn't talking. A lawyer who represented him in past collections battles, Ronald Slates, said the former NFL star couldn't say if the suit Gilbert has is genuine.

"O.J. doesn't know where it went. He just doesn't remember," Slates said.

But Simpson's lawyer in the Las Vegas case, Yale Galanter, insisted Gilbert was lying.

So where is it? "I can't say, but I can tell you categorically that Mike doesn't have it. Whatever he does have, as far as we are concerned, the Goldmans can have it."

There is no love lost between Simpson and his former confidant and agent Gilbert. Gilbert took the stand for the prosecution at the armed robbery trial in Las Vegas and published a book, "How I Helped O.J. Get Away With Murder." (Short answer: Advising Simpson to not take his arthritis medication so that his knuckles swelled and the gloves allegedly used by the killer were too small when he tried them on for the criminal jury.)

In the book, Gilbert described walking into the master bedroom of Simpson's Brentwood home the morning after the Oct. 3, 1995, acquittal. Simpson, he writes, was still in bed after a night of partying and the suit and a shirt were crumpled on the closet floor.

[weezer]

"You want it? Take it," Gilbert quoted Simpson as telling him.

In an interview this spring, Gilbert recalled being thrilled.



O.J. Simpson suit"To me, it's [a piece of] history," he said.

Gilbert has a record of finding memorabilia in unlikely situations. When Simpson was in jail before his acquittal in the Brown-Goldman slayings, Gilbert brought him jerseys, balls, photos and other items to sign, an enterprise that he estimates netted Simpson $3 million.

When Simpson was moving out of his Brentwood home, he showed Gilbert the spot on the floor where he and his former wife first made love. Gilbert cut out a piece of the carpet.


"I still have it," he said.

Before the most recent hearing, Gilbert saidthat a drop of blood on the shirt lapel -- from a shaving nick -- would prove that it was Simpson's.("Yeah, sure. Does he have a lab report?" Galanter said.)

Referring to his comments on "Dr. Phil," Gilbert said what he intended to say was that he would help track down Tiffany lamps and art that Simpson had hidden from the Goldmans.

The suit, he said, was never on the table because Simpson gave it to him before the civil verdict. He said he might give the suit to the Smithsonian some day or bequeath it to his children.

After Judge Gerald Rosenberg ordered him to submit an inventory of all the Simpson items in his possession, Gilbert said he wanted to consult an attorney and started to hedge his comments about the suit.

He refused to show it to a reporter. "You'll want to bring a photographer," he said.

But if you have it, he was asked, what's the big deal?

He replied: "If I get put under oath, do you think I'm going to acknowledge I have it?"

Ron Goldman's sister, Kim, said she was ambivalent about going after the suit and other items. For more than a decade, the family unsuccessfully chased Simpson for assets. The amount they are owed -- the original award of $19.7 million has doubled with interest, lawyers say -- seemed to be "Monopoly money, a fantasy," she said.

But in the last two years, that has changed a little. There was Simpson's "hypothetical confession," the book "If I Did It," which according to court records brought the Goldmans less than $200,000, and there is the memorabilia used as evidence in the Las Vegas trial, now awaiting a sheriff's sale in Santa Monica.

"Now that there are tangible assets, it feels weird," Kim Goldman said. "I don't want his possessions. I don't want his suit."

But, she said, she and her father will never walk away, as some have advised. Taking Simpson's property is the only way of making real the civil jury's finding that he was responsible for the deaths, she said.

The $50,000 price tag Gilbert placed on the suit seems more a wish than reality. A collection attorney had called around to casinos to see if they would be interested in buying the suit. The casinos declined or didn't return his calls.

"We get offered O.J. Simpson memorabilia, and we always decline it," said Darren Julien, whose company, Julien's Auctions, arranges sales of high-end memorabilia. "It's just not an iconic thing that people would say, 'I want that in my home, or I want that in my office.' "

Goldman attorney Peter Haven, who has spoken at length with Gilbert about the suit, called Gilbert "a tortured soul." "The entourage is over. It's busted up. It's gone. The leader is in jail," he said. "The saddest thing about this whole case is people . . . who cling to its electricity because it's all they got."

[William Anthony]

Ah, those troublesome works of fiction, which some take as gospel. :)

[weezer]

O.J. suit sought by Goldmans may be fake
Published: June 12, 2009 at 4:50 PM

O.J. Simpson is taken into custody after being found guilty on all 12 charges, including felony kidnapping, armed robbery and conspiracy at the Clark County Regional Justice Center in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 3, 2008. The verdict comes 13 years to the day after Simpson was acquitted of murdering his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. FRESNO, Calif., June 12 (UPI) -- The question of whether a California sports agent really has the suit O.J. Simpson wore at his 1995 acquittal is set to be answered in a Los Angeles courtroom.

Mike Gilbert of Fresno, an estranged friend of Simpson and author of "How I Helped O.J. Get Away With Murder," has long claimed the former football star, who is currently serving a nine- to 33-year sentence for armed robbery and kidnapping, gave him the suit he was wearing when the jury declared him not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ron Goldman, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

The Goldman family, which is still seeking its portion of the $33.5 million civil jury verdict that found Simpson liable for the deaths, has sought to obtain the suit from Gilbert for its monetary value, but there may be one major problem with the quest -- the suit might not be genuine.

Gilbert recently told an interviewer he wasn't "under oath" when he claimed to have the suit and Yale Galanter, the lawyer who represented Simpson in the Las Vegas kidnapping and armed robbery case, said the suit Gilbert has is not the same one worn by his one-time client.

"I can tell you categorically that Mike doesn't have it. Whatever he does have, as far as we are concerned, the Goldmans can have it," Galanter said.

The Times said the truth is likely to come out soon, as a Los Angeles County Superior judge is set to take up the issue of the Goldman family's pursuit of the suit Monday.

[William Anthony]

Ah, those troublesome works of fiction.

"I've had it in my possession since the morning after the verdict," Mike Gilbert declared at the start of a recent interview.

Twenty minutes of circuitous conversation later, he backtracked: "When I told you that before, I wasn't under oath."

[weezer]

Ah, those troublesome works of fiction.

"I've had it in my possession since the morning after the verdict," Mike Gilbert declared at the start of a recent interview.

Twenty minutes of circuitous conversation later, he backtracked: "When I told you that before, I wasn't under oath."

is that how you read it? I thought he meant to persuade he didn't mean 'in my possession' literally. At any rate, tomorrow starts the hearing -- should be fun!

[William Anthony]

"When Simpson was moving out of his Brentwood home, he showed Gilbert the spot on the floor where he and his former wife first made love. Gilbert cut out a piece of the carpet.


"I still have it," he said.'

Come on, let's start the bidding at $.50.

[weezer]

"When Simpson was moving out of his Brentwood home, he showed Gilbert the spot on the floor where he and his former wife first made love. Gilbert cut out a piece of the carpet.


"I still have it," he said.'

Come on, let's start the bidding at $.50.

I know -- ewww

but I think that statement actually lends credibility to the claim that he has the suit. The judge doesn't sound like he's going to put up with much from any of these yahoos -- I'm looking forward to it.

[William Anthony]

I think that shows the character of a man. I think it lends credibility to the fact that he will invent something and I have the underwear that Abe Lincoln wore, in its original condition, when he wrote the Gettysburg Address, smile.

[weezer]

I think that shows the character of a man. I think it lends credibility to the fact that he will invent something and I have the underwear that Abe Lincoln wore, in its original condition, when he wrote the Gettysburg Address, smile.

hmmm -- I don't know about that. he was in orenthal's life for a bunch of years and we all know how orenthal likes to talk! ;)

[William Anthony]

Yeah, and I can produce old carpet and worn underwear. So what?

[weezer]

Yeah, and I can produce old carpet and worn underwear. So what?

there's no 'so what' -- but after listening to orenthal and his family on the Vegas tapes laughing about hauling stuff out of Rockingham that night, beardsley saying orenthal gave him the HOF ring to change his story, and Gilbert's tale of where stuff is -- I think the hearing could get very interesting. That's all.

[William Anthony]

Yeah, I guess we will get to see and hear reports of more mistakes and human errors.

[weezer]

Yeah, I guess we will get to see and hear reports of more mistakes and human errors.

except this time it may just be coming from orenthal's camp! ;)