O.J. In The News Again

[tazzybaby]

Looks like the Goldman's are going after the stuff OJ collected from his "sting" operation.

http://www.nbc5i.com/entertainment/14128586/detail.html?dl=mainclick

:cool:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
who is this Mike Guy?



Mike is the one Orenthal gave his "lucky suit" to.

[socaldiva]

According to this, one of the robbery victims has had a heart attack :(

http://www.tmz.com/

[Athena]

I know I've heard/read that the taping was supposed to be because Riccio was on OJ's side but this doesn't sound like that.

Here we go again with conflicting media reports. :confused:

Simpson’s friend: Arrest seems ‘like a setup’
Goldmans seek custody of disputed memorabilia ahead of arraignment

AP
Updated: 34 minutes ago


Walter Alexander, 46, said Simpson may have been tricked because the memorabilia dealer who tipped him off also recorded everything on tape.

“It sounds like a setup to me,” Alexander told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Tuesday. He said Simpson had thought the memorabilia belonged to him after getting a call from the dealer.

“He did believe that he was going to retrieve his own property,” Alexander said.

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The Goldman family, which won a civil verdict against Simpson, has waged a decade-long campaign to track down and claim his assets to fulfill the civil verdict. It planned to file a request in Superior Court on Tuesday to obtain ownership of the sports memorabilia seized.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20829890/

[socaldiva]

*snip*
“It sounds like a setup to me,” Alexander told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Tuesday.

A 'setup'? Was someone holding a gun on Simpson to make him act like that?
Did the person that "set him up" instruct the others in his party to bring guns along & threaten people?

[socaldiva]

The guy that taped the confrontation is in the memorabilia business -- I am not surprised that he would have figured a way to make money off the deal.

I agree. Also, he could have taped it thinking if they didn't retrieve the items, the dealers might make some type of admission as to having the items & they could turn that tape over to LE?

[weezer]

I agree. Also, he could have taped it thinking if they didn't retrieve the items, the dealers might make some type of admission as to having the items & they could turn that tape over to LE?

I can't imagine that orenthal or any of his group would want to involve LE in the shenanigans involving the selling of the memorabilia. I think orenthal was just being his sociopathic self. Maybe the guy with the tape knew exactly what to expect from orenthal since they had been talking about it for weeks?

imo

[weezer]

I thought it was eerie when orenthal was ranting and raving on the tape about it being his 'stuff' and belonging to him and being totally out of control -- it reminded me of the Gretna Green tape where he broke in and Nicole called LE AND Denise Brown's testimony about orenthal grabbing Nicole (when he said it was his) AND sounds strangely like orenthal's confession in the book when he wrote about seeing Ron. imo

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

From what I understand Riccio taped it because he was on OJ's side. He didn't know that OJ was going to storm in with some thugs with guns. He figured it would help retreive OJ's stuff. imo

The language is totally different from the actions. OJ was demanding that no one leave the room. And, with guns pointed at them from the other thugs that are with OJ that is considered unlawful restraint. I'm not sure why exactly OJ thinks that he is above the law or can do what ever he thinks is appropriate by his standards and not by the law. The gun issue is what has him in serious trouble. Hopefully this will open his eyes and he will get some kind of help for his tremendous anger issues and distorted thinking. He is the only parent left of Sydney and Justin. They shouldn't have to deal with this type of drama on a continuing basis. I hope for their sake that everyone will quit trying to defend his actions no matter what he does and he gets help.

This whole situation has very tell-tale signs. He lied and said there were no guns. He seems to think he is justified. He has anger control issues. He blames everyone else for his actions. He is blaming the PD for his actions. Just like he blamed (and still does) Nicole for everything. He lied under oath at the civil trial and he has done that here also (just not under oath yet). To cover his @ss. OJ has hid assets to prevent the Goldman's from getting them. That's the same thing as stealing. How would everyone who is defending OJ be reacting if the Goldman's stormed in with guns drawn and took the goods that rightfully, by law, belong to them?

OJ is a flight risk. Don't you remember him leaving instead of turning himself in as promised before the criminal trial. Most everyone does remember that. Why would they just automatically let him go? He doesn't even have ties to Las Vegas. They have done the very right thing in this situation.

tazzy
Based on all the different accounts of what took place, i have no ability to know which accounts are factual. It seems that osmeone maby some guy named Mike, stole the goods from oj some time ago and sold them to Beasley and this other guy. I have no idea as to why this guy RICCOI taped the incedent and then gave it to TMZ if he was trying to ptrotect oj.
It seems to me that OJ was set up and did not realize it until he had gone to the room. Not knowing that some people had guns may not help him all that
much. Alexander who had a gun and was charged the same as oj, was let go without any bail and on his own. SOMETHING WRONG THERE. IMO
wonder if the two guys that were trying to sell the stolen good will be charged with fensing stolen goods or will they be let go without charges.?

Maby, as the case unfolds, more facts will be known but it does sems that everyone in the room broke some laws.But you can bet that Oj will get the worse of it whatever it turns out to be as it does seem that he was the target. imo

I am not surprised that fred would be out front trying to get some more FREE money to help with that .17 cent per book deal.
imo
martin II
martin II

[martin II]

For people that say they are tired of OJ.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/martin/index.html

MARTIN ii

[tv]

tazzy
Based on all the different accounts of what took place, i have no ability to know which accounts are factual. It seems that osmeone maby some guy named Mike, stole the goods from oj some time ago and sold them to Beasley and this other guy. I have no idea as to why this guy RICCOI taped the incedent and then gave it to TMZ if he was trying to ptrotect oj.
It seems to me that OJ was set up and did not realize it until he had gone to the room. Not knowing that some people had guns may not help him all that
much. Alexander who had a gun and was charged the same as oj, was let go without any bail and on his own. SOMETHING WRONG THERE. IMO
wonder if the two guys that were trying to sell the stolen good will be charged with fensing stolen goods or will they be let go without charges.?

Maby, as the case unfolds, more facts will be known but it does sems that everyone in the room broke some laws.But you can bet that Oj will get the worse of it whatever it turns out to be as it does seem that he was the target. imo

I am not surprised that fred would be out front trying to get some more FREE money to help with that .17 cent per book deal.
imo
martin II
martin IImartin, even though you have once again unfairly bashed Fred Goldman I'm going to try to be more fair to OJ Simpson. If he committed the crimes he's charged with then he should pay the price. If, on the other hand, he's found not guilty, he should walk free.

As wonderful as it is to see him handcuffed like the criminal he is I don't want anyone to pay for a crime they aren't guilty of committing. I believe there's enough evidence that he'll be convicted of at least some of the charges. I don't think he should get the worst of it just because he's OJ Simpson. If he does do jail time for this I hope his supporters won't have any reason to say he was treated differently than anyone else or that his trial was unfair.

I don't know why this Riccio guy taped the incident. I think they're all a bunch of shady characters who would rat out their own mothers if it would make them a dime. I'm including OJ Simpson in that description by the way. ;)

[weezer]

tazzy
Based on all the different accounts of what took place, i have no ability to know which accounts are factual. It seems that osmeone maby some guy named Mike, stole the goods from oj some time ago and sold them to Beasley and this other guy. I have no idea as to why this guy RICCOI taped the incedent and then gave it to TMZ if he was trying to ptrotect oj.
It seems to me that OJ was set up and did not realize it until he had gone to the room. Not knowing that some people had guns may not help him all that
much. Alexander who had a gun and was charged the same as oj, was let go without any bail and on his own. SOMETHING WRONG THERE. IMO
wonder if the two guys that were trying to sell the stolen good will be charged with fensing stolen goods or will they be let go without charges.?

Maby, as the case unfolds, more facts will be known but it does sems that everyone in the room broke some laws.But you can bet that Oj will get the worse of it whatever it turns out to be as it does seem that he was the target. imo

I am not surprised that fred would be out front trying to get some more FREE money to help with that .17 cent per book deal.
imo
martin II
martin II

couldn't stand it could you? had to bash the victims and/or families -- :punch:

you are so very predictable. imo

[Bailey Boys]

He'll have time to create a hanging for the wall that reads "Home Sweet Home" http://featheredfibers.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/doorwindow.jpg

That should really cheer up the place nicely.

It does add a cheerful touch!:seeya:

[BigBrat]

I thought it was eerie when orenthal was ranting and raving on the tape about it being his 'stuff' and belonging to him and being totally out of control -- it reminded me of the Gretna Green tape where he broke in and Nicole called LE AND Denise Brown's testimony about orenthal grabbing Nicole (when he said it was his) AND sounds strangely like orenthal's confession in the book when he wrote about seeing Ron. imo

I've been a witness to OJ's raging temper. Back in 1980 (or 81) I was attending a charity tennis banquet at Ceasar's Palace in Las Vegas. It was a very posh affair with beautiful tigers chained at the pool side, showy flowers adorned the tables and everyone was dressed to the nines.
Before everyone was seated, OJ went into a temper tantrum that was not only loud, but it was scary.
He was yelling and screaming, his veins sticking out in his neck and forehead, because he was seated in the back of the large dining room. He did not like the idea of not being in the front or the center of attention. He left before the event began.
But, before he left, he shoved a truck of extra chairs out of the way with both hands yelling something about being snubbed. There where a few MF's in his screams.
People were stunned. I thought he was going to explode. What a loser!
Interesting to note about this current case: Walter Alexander, OJ's golfing buddy who accompanied him to the suspect armed robbery is the nephew of Mark Goudeau, a man who is currently being held and waiting trial as the "Baseline Killer" a serial killer who's being charged with nine murders.
Just thought I'd add that.

[Bailey Boys]

For people that say they are tired of OJ.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/martin/index.html

MARTIN ii

Question. Why do you seem to have such dislike in your heart for Fred Goldman? Last I checked, OJ still had his children, alive, breathing. Wish the same could be said for the Goldman's and Brown's.

[tv]

I've been a witness to OJ's raging temper. Back in 1980 (or 81) I was attending a charity tennis banquet at Ceasar's Palace in Las Vegas. It was a very posh affair with beautiful tigers chained at the pool side, showy flowers adorned the tables and everyone was dressed to the nines.
Before everyone was seated, OJ went into a temper tantrum that was not only loud, but it was scary.
He was yelling and screaming, his veins sticking out in his neck and forehead, because he was seated in the back of the large dining room. He did not like the idea of not being in the front or the center of attention. He left before the event began.
But, before he left, he shoved a truck of extra chairs out of the way with both hands yelling something about being snubbed. There where a few MF's in his screams.
People were stunned. I thought he was going to explode. What a loser!
Interesting to note about this current case: Walter Alexander, OJ's golfing buddy who accompanied him to the suspect armed robbery is the nephew of Mark Goudeau, a man who is currently being held and waiting trial as the "Baseline Killer" a serial killer who's being charged with nine murders.
Just thought I'd add that.Very interesting! Sounds like he's always had an anger management problem. Also interesting about Walter Alexander. Thanks BigBrat. :)

[tv]

couldn't stand it could you? had to bash the victims and/or families -- :punch:

you are so very predictable. imomartin is going to keep talking about Fred Goldman getting FREE MONEY until he actually believes it himself. :biggrin:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy
Based on all the different accounts of what took place, i have no ability to know which accounts are factual. It seems that osmeone maby some guy named Mike, stole the goods from oj some time ago and sold them to Beasley and this other guy. I have no idea as to why this guy RICCOI taped the incedent and then gave it to TMZ if he was trying to ptrotect oj.
It seems to me that OJ was set up and did not realize it until he had gone to the room. Not knowing that some people had guns may not help him all that
much. Alexander who had a gun and was charged the same as oj, was let go without any bail and on his own. SOMETHING WRONG THERE. IMO
wonder if the two guys that were trying to sell the stolen good will be charged with fensing stolen goods or will they be let go without charges.?

Maby, as the case unfolds, more facts will be known but it does sems that everyone in the room broke some laws.But you can bet that Oj will get the worse of it whatever it turns out to be as it does seem that he was the target. imo

I am not surprised that fred would be out front trying to get some more FREE money to help with that .17 cent per book deal.
imo
martin II
martin II

Hi Martin,

I'm not really sure why it's a surprise that OJ didn't have bail. It's not uncommon for flight risks and those who have no ties to the state. OJ has been known for not turning himself in when promising to do so. That's not made up. That's not a lie. That's not someone just trying to "get" OJ. OJ made the decision to NOT turn himself in as promised and caused the "flight risk" title he has earned. The guy that was released was released with the help of his lawyer. He was on Larry King last night.

Whether OJ's stuff was stolen or not, and whether OJ was "set up" or not...he still CHOSE himself to take this into his own hands and do a "sting" operation (by his own words). What happened was illegal no matter who was in on it. OJ seems to think he is above the law. He doesn't seem to think he has to follow the law. And, this is evident by more than one incident. I do not believe for one minute that OJ didn't know they had guns. We will find out soon enough who knew what and when.

Fred's not getting FREE money. He is trying to retrieve what is LEGALLY his. It's the same as OJ. But, Fred's doing it legally. That's not the way that OJ rolls.

[weezer]

martin is going to keep talking about Fred Goldman getting FREE MONEY until he actually believes it himself. :biggrin:

LOL -- that made me laugh.

I'm still waiting on martin to answer my post where I asked what work he thinks arnelle did that would entitle her to profits from the book. Unless, of course, he thinks one load of wash is enough! :biggrin:

[socaldiva]

For people that say they are tired of OJ.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/martin/index.html

MARTIN ii

People also like to watch Jack@ss :biggrin:

[tv]

LOL -- that made me laugh.

I'm still waiting on martin to answer my post where I asked what work he thinks arnelle did that would entitle her to profits from the book. Unless, of course, he thinks one load of wash is enough! :biggrin:Now, that made ME laugh. :D

I'm also waiting for that answer from martin. Was Arnelle going to receive FREE MONEY? :eek:

[socaldiva]

I can't imagine that orenthal or any of his group would want to involve LE in the shenanigans involving the selling of the memorabilia. I think orenthal was just being his sociopathic self. Maybe the guy with the tape knew exactly what to expect from orenthal since they had been talking about it for weeks?

imo

Of course you're right. What was I thinking? That's what happens when I post before I'm awake :D Could be that the guy with the tape knew what would happen, especially if he knows Orenthal to any degree. As for the sociopathic self, I couldn't agree more.

[socaldiva]

Now, that made ME laugh. :D

I'm also waiting for that answer from martin. Was Arnelle going to receive FREE MONEY? :eek:

Has he answered the question that asked if any parents of murdered children should receive judgements? or if that was always FREE MONEY & shouldn't be allowed?

[tv]

Has he answered the question that asked if any parents of murdered children should receive judgements? or if that was always FREE MONEY & shouldn't be allowed?Nope, he hasn't answered that either. I believe a pattern is emerging. ;)

[socaldiva]

Nope, he hasn't answered that either. I believe a pattern is emerging. ;)

Well, it's looks as though he's not here at the moment. Maby he'll answer upon his return. :)

[tv]

Well, it's looks as though he's not here at the moment. Maby he'll answer upon his return. :)I'm sure it will be his first order of business. :)

[Charon]

Hi William
Tell me, have you ever been abducted by aliens?

Willie

The rest:
IMO is our friend OJ a typical example of your garden variety criminal. He simply can't stay out of trouble, and the criminal "justice" system a typical example of your garden variety judicial system. It cant keep the criminals of the street.

We loose all the way.

[socaldiva]

*snip*

The rest:
IMO is our friend OJ a typical example of your garden variety criminal. He simply can't stay out of trouble, and the criminal "justice" system a typical example of your garden variety judicial system. It cant keep the criminals of the street.

We loose all the way.

Yesterday they were saying on tv that Orenthal was a thug prior to becoming a football star & he's been one all along. They also said that a sociopath doesn't stop & there is no "cure", they just keep going with their nefarious behavior until someone puts a stop to it.

I think the judicial system does work, just not all the time. I think if Orenthal wasn't a wealthy celebrity, he'd be sitting in San Quentin right now along side Scott Peterson.

[martin II]

Athena

It sounds like a set up to me. Seems like LE is willing to let everyone go but oj.
Riccio now says he has 20 hours ? of tape, that he will give le when his lawyer receives writtin assurances that he will not be charged for illegal taping.

martin II

[socaldiva]

Athena

It sounds like a set up to me. Seems like LE is willing to let everyone go but oj.
Riccio now says he has 20 hours ? of tape, that he will give le when his lawyer receives writtin assurances that he will not be charged for illegal taping.

martin II

Sounds like you think Orenthal got stung while conducting his sting operation. That's what happens when you hang around a bunch of goons.:tongue:

[rovaan]

I've been a witness to OJ's raging temper. Back in 1980 (or 81) I was attending a charity tennis banquet at Ceasar's Palace in Las Vegas. It was a very posh affair with beautiful tigers chained at the pool side, showy flowers adorned the tables and everyone was dressed to the nines.
Before everyone was seated, OJ went into a temper tantrum that was not only loud, but it was scary.
He was yelling and screaming, his veins sticking out in his neck and forehead, because he was seated in the back of the large dining room. He did not like the idea of not being in the front or the center of attention. He left before the event began.
But, before he left, he shoved a truck of extra chairs out of the way with both hands yelling something about being snubbed. There where a few MF's in his screams.
People were stunned. I thought he was going to explode. What a loser!
Interesting to note about this current case: Walter Alexander, OJ's golfing buddy who accompanied him to the suspect armed robbery is the nephew of Mark Goudeau, a man who is currently being held and waiting trial as the "Baseline Killer" a serial killer who's being charged with nine murders.
Just thought I'd add that.

Yelling and screaming- thats what people report when OJ becomes enraged. Think about that in connection with the the murders of Nicole and Ron. There was no yelling and screaming, no profanities. Just a few angry indistinct words after the "Hey, Hey, Hey". This poster talks about the yelling. We heard it on the 911 tape from the Gretna Green incident. We heard it on the tape from the Vegas incident. Why aren't people asking where was the yelling at Bundy? Do you really think this man could go into a rage, killing Nicole and Ron without yelling?

[socaldiva]

Yelling and screaming- thats what people report when OJ becomes enraged. Think about that in connection with the the murders of Nicole and Ron. There was no yelling and screaming, no profanities. Just a few angry indistinct words after the "Hey, Hey, Hey". This poster talks about the yelling. We heard it on the 911 tape from the Gretna Green incident. We heard it on the tape from the Vegas incident. Why aren't people asking where was the yelling at Bundy? Do you really think this man could go into a rage, killing Nicole and Ron without yelling?

IIRC a witness reported hearing an angry exchange & characterized one of them as sounding like a black man. Do you really think Orenthal is stupid enough to be outside yelling & screaming while butchering two people? Even he has the brains to know that would draw attention to the scene.

[rovaan]

IIRC a witness reported hearing an angry exchange & characterized one of them as sounding like a black man. Do you really think Orenthal is stupid enough to be outside yelling & screaming while butchering two people?
Even he has the brains to know that would draw attention to the scene.

In his enraged state? He yells when enraged, even being stupid doing it )think Las Vegas).

[weezer]

Athena

It sounds like a set up to me. Seems like LE is willing to let everyone go but oj.
Riccio now says he has 20 hours ? of tape, that he will give le when his lawyer receives writtin assurances that he will not be charged for illegal taping.

martin II

now this should be interesting -- do you suppose it's the planning sessions leading up to the armed robbery? Dang! we're in for some fun now. imo

[weezer]

Yelling and screaming- thats what people report when OJ becomes enraged. Think about that in connection with the the murders of Nicole and Ron. There was no yelling and screaming, no profanities. Just a few angry indistinct words after the "Hey, Hey, Hey". This poster talks about the yelling. We heard it on the 911 tape from the Gretna Green incident. We heard it on the tape from the Vegas incident. Why aren't people asking where was the yelling at Bundy? Do you really think this man could go into a rage, killing Nicole and Ron without yelling?

let me think - hmmmm -- yes. Maybe he got the yelling, screaming and threatening out of the way when he called Nicole earlier in the evening and made her cry? imo

[weezer]

Yelling and screaming- thats what people report when OJ becomes enraged. Think about that in connection with the the murders of Nicole and Ron. There was no yelling and screaming, no profanities. Just a few angry indistinct words after the "Hey, Hey, Hey". This poster talks about the yelling. We heard it on the 911 tape from the Gretna Green incident. We heard it on the tape from the Vegas incident. Why aren't people asking where was the yelling at Bundy? Do you really think this man could go into a rage, killing Nicole and Ron without yelling?

no -- I think bruises, broken doors, busted statues and baseball bats are what was reported.

[socaldiva]

In his enraged state? He yells when enraged, even being stupid doing it )think Las Vegas).

In Vegas he was indoors. Note that we haven't heard of anyone outside of the room making a call to LE, only the people inside the room. :shrug:

[Suzee10]

He can keep the smirk, as long as he's in prison & we don't have to see it :biggrin:


You are absolutely correct socaldiva. Maybe this will bring a** down a notch or two.;)

[Bailey Boys]

You are absolutely correct socaldiva. Maybe this will bring a** down a notch or two.;)

Sharing a prison cubicle with Scott Peterson would be a nice change!:seeya:

[martin II]

Now, that made ME laugh. :D

I'm also waiting for that answer from martin. Was Arnelle going to receive FREE MONEY? :eek:

tv
All of the people responsible for putting the first book togeather from idea to the HC contract did work and negoiations on THEIR PROJECT which HC decided they wanted as a publishing project.The basic of this contract was that LBA had a project that HC wanted to publish.
HC understood this and that is why the HC contract with LBA made provision for payment to them.

The judge GAVE fred LBA'S product eventhough he was not a CREDITOR of LBA. So yes fred got something like a FREE lottery ticket from the judge which
he is able to turn into .17 per book sold. All free.


Ps
This thread is not about Martin personally. It may be a good idea to keep comments to the issue of the thread and ot.

imo
martin II

[Suzee10]

Hi Martin,

From what I understand Riccio taped it because he was on OJ's side. He didn't know that OJ was going to storm in with some thugs with guns. He figured it would help retreive OJ's stuff. imo

The language is totally different from the actions. OJ was demanding that no one leave the room. And, with guns pointed at them from the other thugs that are with OJ that is considered unlawful restraint. I'm not sure why exactly OJ thinks that he is above the law or can do what ever he thinks is appropriate by his standards and not by the law. The gun issue is what has him in serious trouble. Hopefully this will open his eyes and he will get some kind of help for his tremendous anger issues and distorted thinking. He is the only parent left of Sydney and Justin. They shouldn't have to deal with this type of drama on a continuing basis. I hope for their sake that everyone will quit trying to defend his actions no matter what he does and he gets help.

This whole situation has very tell-tale signs. He lied and said there were no guns. He seems to think he is justified. He has anger control issues. He blames everyone else for his actions. He is blaming the PD for his actions. Just like he blamed (and still does) Nicole for everything. He lied under oath at the civil trial and he has done that here also (just not under oath yet). To cover his @ss. OJ has hid assets to prevent the Goldman's from getting them. That's the same thing as stealing. How would everyone who is defending OJ be reacting if the Goldman's stormed in with guns drawn and took the goods that rightfully, by law, belong to them?

OJ is a flight risk. Don't you remember him leaving instead of turning himself in as promised before the criminal trial. Most everyone does remember that. Why would they just automatically let him go? He doesn't even have ties to Las Vegas. They have done the very right thing in this situation.


Hi Taz,

Good to see you again. You are so right, great post.:beer:

[Suzee10]

A 'setup'? Was someone holding a gun on Simpson to make him act like that?
Did the person that "set him up" instruct the others in his party to bring guns along & threaten people?


You are so right Socaldiva. simpson did nothing to help the situation but kept on with his big mouth.

He won't be getting out of this.

[martin II]

martin, even though you have once again unfairly bashed Fred Goldman I'm going to try to be more fair to OJ Simpson. If he committed the crimes he's charged with then he should pay the price. If, on the other hand, he's found not guilty, he should walk free.

As wonderful as it is to see him handcuffed like the criminal he is I don't want anyone to pay for a crime they aren't guilty of committing. I believe there's enough evidence that he'll be convicted of at least some of the charges. I don't think he should get the worst of it just because he's OJ Simpson. If he does do jail time for this I hope his supporters won't have any reason to say he was treated differently than anyone else or that his trial was unfair.

I don't know why this Riccio guy taped the incident. I think they're all a bunch of shady characters who would rat out their own mothers if it would make them a dime. I'm including OJ Simpson in that description by the way. ;)

tv
I think when more of the real facts come to light we both will know more. However i believe it was a mistake for oj to go to that room or be sucked into this deal as it seems he was. I believe most of these guys will be set free and OJ will be convicted of something since he seems to have been the target ,unless a good lawyer is able to beat the case, whatever that turns out to be. imo
martin II

[Suzee10]

People also like to watch Jack@ss :biggrin:


simpson is a jackass!!! Lol! :biggrin:

[Suzee10]

Question. Why do you seem to have such dislike in your heart for Fred Goldman? Last I checked, OJ still had his children, alive, breathing. Wish the same could be said for the Goldman's and Brown's.


I agree. I do not know why any of these people are so down on the Goldmans. They were the ones that lost a son and brother. They are the victims. It was simpson that was the bad guy in all of this and I think this armed robbery proves again that he thinks he can get by with anything. The problem this time is there are witnesses and a tape.

[Suzee10]

Yesterday they were saying on tv that Orenthal was a thug prior to becoming a football star & he's been one all along. They also said that a sociopath doesn't stop & there is no "cure", they just keep going with their nefarious behavior until someone puts a stop to it.

I think the judicial system does work, just not all the time. I think if Orenthal wasn't a wealthy celebrity, he'd be sitting in San Quentin right now along side Scott Peterson.


I saw this too Socaldiva. They also said he had beaten a girl while in college and his first wife. This is also a pattern, don't you think?

[Suzee10]

Yelling and screaming- thats what people report when OJ becomes enraged. Think about that in connection with the the murders of Nicole and Ron. There was no yelling and screaming, no profanities. Just a few angry indistinct words after the "Hey, Hey, Hey". This poster talks about the yelling. We heard it on the 911 tape from the Gretna Green incident. We heard it on the tape from the Vegas incident. Why aren't people asking where was the yelling at Bundy? Do you really think this man could go into a rage, killing Nicole and Ron without yelling?


Uh, when you are doing a double murder you usually to not want to attraction too much attention.

[Suzee10]

In his enraged state? He yells when enraged, even being stupid doing it )think Las Vegas).


He did not know he was being taped either.

[Suzee10]

tv
All of the people responsible for putting the first book togeather from idea to the HC contract did work and negoiations on THEIR PROJECT which HC decided they wanted as a publishing project.The basic of this contract was that LBA had a project that HC wanted to publish.
HC understood this and that is why the HC contract with LBA made provision for payment to them.

The judge GAVE fred LBA'S product eventhough he was not a CREDITOR of LBA. So yes fred got something like a FREE lottery ticket from the judge which
he is able to turn into .17 per book sold. All free.


Ps
This thread is not about Martin personally. It may be a good idea to keep comments to the issue of the thread and ot.

imo
martin II


Oh this was not a free ticket to Fred. His son paid the ultimate price for it. Now maybe the Goldmans will finally get some justice and all of simpson's stuff.

[socaldiva]

I saw this too Socaldiva. They also said he had beaten a girl while in college and his first wife. This is also a pattern, don't you think?

Yes, I heard that too! I had heard about his first wife, but not the girl from college until yesterday.

[socaldiva]

Oh this was not a free ticket to Fred. His son paid the ultimate price for it. Now maybe the Goldmans will finally get some justice and all of simpson's stuff.

:beer: :beer: :beer:

It's the furthest thing from a free ride I can think of :mad:

[BigBrat]

IIRC a witness reported hearing an angry exchange & characterized one of them as sounding like a black man. Do you really think Orenthal is stupid enough to be outside yelling & screaming while butchering two people? Even he has the brains to know that would draw attention to the scene.

Right socaldiva. OJ was a big strong guy. Remember the photos of Nicole's face after he beat her?
Oh wait. OJ said that's how she appeared after she cleaned and picked the pimples off her face.
Nothing is ever his fault, is it?

[kjb19500]

Uh, when you are doing a double murder you usually to not want to attraction too much attention.

Yelling and screaming would be a way of releasing rage, right? Would it be necessary to yell and scream if you had found a more effective way to vent your rage?

[Bailey Boys]

I agree. I do not know why any of these people are so down on the Goldmans. They were the ones that lost a son and brother. They are the victims. It was simpson that was the bad guy in all of this and I think this armed robbery proves again that he thinks he can get by with anything. The problem this time is there are witnesses and a tape.

Oh, while I am thinking about it, is OJ still looking for the "real" killers?

[martin II]

one of the thiefs had a heart attack yesterday and is in critical condition.
If he dies maby they can charge oj with murder. right?
martin II

[I'mSun]

Here's the link to see the criminal charges filed against OJ & Company. There are a lot of charges.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/criminal.complaint.pdf

[socaldiva]

Here's the link to see the criminal charges filed against OJ & Company. There are a lot of charges.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/criminal.complaint.pdf

Thanks for the link. I had just heard in the car that they had added kidnapping & it made me giggle. :tongue:

[socaldiva]

one of the thiefs had a heart attack yesterday and is in critical condition.
If he dies maby they can charge oj with murder. right?
martin II

One of the "thiefs"? No, it was one of the victims.. The thieves were OJ & his posse.;)

I doubt they can charge him with murder if the heart attack happened days after the incident.

[socaldiva]

Right socaldiva. OJ was a big strong guy. Remember the photos of Nicole's face after he beat her?
Oh wait. OJ said that's how she appeared after she cleaned and picked the pimples off her face.
Nothing is ever his fault, is it?

Wasn't that pimple excuse pathetic? He also said something to the effect that she was physically in shape & strong. Against someone his size? I don't think so :rolleyes:

[Athena]

The Felon Behind O.J.'s Bust
Meet Thomas Riccio: Arsonist, prison escapee, stolen goods dealer

SEPTEMBER 18--The California man who helped orchestrate O.J. Simpson's memorabilia recovery mission (and then sold an audiotape of the raid to a tabloid web site) is an ex-con whose rap sheet includes at least four separate felony convictions, including arson, prison escape, and stolen property charges, The Smoking Gun has learned.

Thomas Riccio, 44, has emerged as a key player in the Simpson case and, presumably, would be a witness at any future criminal trial. Riccio, a sports collectibles dealer, set up Simpson's visit to a Las Vegas hotel room where the former athlete and his associates allegedly seized memorabilia at gunpoint from two businessman. Riccio recorded part of the confrontation at the Palace Station hotel and then sold the tape to TMZ.com, never bothering to tell police about his surreptitious taping.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0918072riccio1.html

[tv]

one of the thiefs had a heart attack yesterday and is in critical condition.
If he dies maby they can charge oj with murder. right?
martin IINow there's a thought. :)

[socaldiva]

Greta has copy of complaint and will review it now on her show.

Thanks for the heads up.

[tv]

Wasn't that pimple excuse pathetic? He also said something to the effect that she was physically in shape & strong. Against someone his size? I don't think so :rolleyes:Not only his size but someone who has been an athlete all his life. That pimple excuse is the lamest thing I ever heard. It was also demeaning to Nicole to mention it.

[Athena]

Criminal complaint / OJ:

SEPTEMBER 18--Prosecutors today added felony kidnapping charges to the array of criminal counts that O.J. Simpson and three cohorts are facing in connection with last week's alleged memorabilia rendition bid at a Las Vegas hotel. Simpson, 60, and his codefendants were named in an 11-count criminal complaint filed this afternoon in Justice Court. A copy of the complaint can be found below. Along with the pair of new felony kidnapping charges (one apiece for each of the memorabilia dealers who were accosted in a room at the Palace Station hotel), Simpson & Co. were hit with armed robbery, burglary, assault, and conspiracy charges. The former football star is scheduled to be arraigned on the charges (10 felonies and one misdemeanor) tomorrow morning. Charged along with Simpson are Walter Alexander, 46; Clarence Stewart, 53; and Michael McClinton, 49. The group was brought to the hotel by Thomas Riccio, a convicted felon who told the memorabilia dealers that he had arranged for a prospective buyer to examine collectibles, some of which Simpson claims to have been stolen from him. (7 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0918073oj1.html

[socaldiva]

Not only his size but someone who has been an athlete all his life. That pimple excuse is the lamest thing I ever heard. It was also demeaning to Nicole to mention it.

Yes, it was demeaning. That seemed to be his M.O.,demeaning & controlling her. What a poor excuse of a man.

[tv]

Yes, it was demeaning. That seemed to be his M.O.,demeaning & controlling her. What a poor excuse of a man.It looks like after her death he would have felt some kind of sympathy for her and not revealed something so personal. Is there no limit to what he will say or do when he stands to benefit? I guess we know the answer to that.

[socaldiva]

It looks like after her death he would have felt some kind of sympathy for her and not revealed something so personal. Is there no limit to what he will say or do when he stands to benefit? I guess we know the answer to that.

I truly think he's a sociopath, so he doesn't have the proper emotions, so he doesn't know what's appropriate or not.

[tv]

I truly think he's a sociopath, so he doesn't have the proper emotions, so he doesn't know what's appropriate or not.I think you're right, diva. The whole OJ persona is an act that he's perfected and it really has served him well.

[Athena]

Greta interviewing:

Thomas Scotto - OJ was his best man at wedding. Says Riccio set OJ up -- is shocked OJ arrested. Says Riccio planned this and orchestrated this 7 weeks before. OJ did NOT know he was being taped. Says Riccio told him he would be able to just walk in and pick up his stolen memorabilia.

Lawyer (Scott Halpo; LV lawyer) says OJ not being treated fairly -- there is something real fishy about these guys - Simpson has been used and set up and had no idea what was going to happen - does not believe crime was committed and Simpson had no knowledge of what was going to happen. Lawyer was originally told by LVPD that this was a civil case not a criminal case. These people were supposed to be his friends and he was betrayed. He was upset with them and now questioning their intent.

Greta asked him what surprised him most about OJ: Ans: How honest and nice a guy he is.

Hearing tomorrow is for bail -- bail bondsman (Michael Pireira) has been called by family and is in LV - prepared to bail OJ out within 4 - 48 hours after bond is posted. Sister and girlfriend are putting up the money.

My comment: I had also heard earlier that people have been donating money to the sister.

[Luke Davis]

In Vegas he was indoors. Note that we haven't heard of anyone outside of the room making a call to LE, only the people inside the room. :shrug:I thought Greta interviewed a woman who heard the disturbance and called police.

[Athena]

Goldman's attorney filed request for OJ to turn over Rolex watch he was wearing -- seen in the TMZ video -- approximately $10K.

Getting detailed list of memorabilia and has to prove it belonged to OJ.

Kato being interviewed now -- saying "nothing" IMO

[tv]

Goldman's attorney filed request for OJ to turn over Rolex watch he was wearing -- seen in the TMZ video -- approximately $10K.

Getting detailed list of memorabilia and has to prove it belonged to OJ.

Kato being interviewed now -- saying "nothing" IMOKato said nothing relevant to this current case but one thing he didn't do was bash OJ Simpson even though he thinks he's guilty of murder.

[Athena]

Kato said nothing relevant to this current case but one thing he didn't do was bash OJ Simpson even though he thinks he's guilty of murder.

You are right and I was referring to the current case when I said "nothing". :) Actually he did not say OJ was guilty but said "possibly" and said he was a very charismatic man.

[socaldiva]

I thought Greta interviewed a woman who heard the disturbance and called police.


Oh gosh, could be. I have last night's show taped, but I haven't watched it. Do you think it was on that show?

[socaldiva]

You are right and actually he did not say OJ was guilty but said "possibly" and said he was a very charismatic man.

I've never heard Kato say "possibly". I've always understood him to believe Orenthal is a double murderer :shrug:

[tv]

You are right and actually he did not say OJ was guilty but said "possibly" and said he was a very charismatic man.That's true, he did say "possibly". I have heard Kato say before that he's guilty but I think it's hard for him to say it. IMO, Kato is one of those people that avoids any unpleasantness whenever he can.

[Athena]

Not going to repeat everything but Clarence Stewart's lawyer said witnesses with OJ are adamant there was no gun, never saw a gun and never mentioned a gun. Lawyer said he entered the room; alot of yelling and he's the one that said take what's yours and let's get out of here.

My comment: I do remember someone calmly saying this on the tape so I guess it was this guy.

[Athena]

I've never heard Kato say "possibly". I've always understood him to believe Orenthal is a double murderer :shrug:

I am repeating what I just heard him say on Greta not what he has said before. :)

[tv]

I've never heard Kato say "possibly". I've always understood him to believe Orenthal is a double murderer :shrug:That what I've always heard him say too. But he did say "possibly" on Greta. I think it was just the way it came out. Don't forget "katospeak". :)

[Athena]

That what I've always heard him say too. But he did say "possibly" on Greta. I think it was just the way it came out. Don't forget "katospeak". :)

Did you find he also appeared to be "uncomfortable" at least more so than I have usually seen him?

[socaldiva]

I am repeating what I just heard him say on Greta not what he has said before. :)

Gotcha :) I haven't seen his appearance on Greta yet.

[tv]

Did you find he also appeared to be "uncomfortable" at least more so than I have usually seen him?I thought he acted more relaxed than usual. He always seems a bit hyper to me. That's funny we would see it so differently. Maybe diva can tell us what she thinks after she watches it. How about it diva?

[socaldiva]

I thought he acted more relaxed than usual. He always seems a bit hyper to me. That's funny we would see it so differently. Maybe diva can tell us what she thinks after she watches it. How about it diva?

Sure, I weigh in after I see it, but I don't think it's on for another two hours, if it's tonight's show. I saw him last night on Larry King & I thought he was less nervous than he used to be.

[tv]

Sure, I weigh in after I see it, but I don't think it's on for another two hours, if it's tonight's show. I saw him last night on Larry King & I thought he was less nervous than he used to be.I think he's become more comfortable on camera than he used to be. Give us your opinion if you're going to be online, if not, don't worry about it. I keep forgeting not everyone is a night owl like me!

[Athena]

I thought he acted more relaxed than usual. He always seems a bit hyper to me. That's funny we would see it so differently. Maybe diva can tell us what she thinks after she watches it. How about it diva?

Thank goodness for TIVO. I do retract my statement and not sure why I had that initial reaction but watching it back he does seem relaxed; actually VERY relaxed. Also don't know how I missed that he thought this whole thing was strange and that he also thinks OJ was "set up". He also mentioned that it seemed like they knew how to "push his buttons".

tvdinner -- just wanted to mention to you too (I don't remember where I read it) but you had posted something to the effect (not your exact words; but rather the gist of it) that if OJ is guilty he deserves what he gets but you also did not want to see him punished just because he's OJ. I respect you for making that comment and I do agree with you. I know everyone wants to see him locked up because it is believed he got away with murder, but I just believe they are separate incidents and should be treated as such. I tried to say something like this at work today and had I been on a stage I would have been egged so I just shut up. LOL

Speaking about being a night owl -- I actually am but have an early meeting in the morning. Ugh.

Goodnight all. :seeya:

[martin II]

Goldman's attorney filed request for OJ to turn over Rolex watch he was wearing -- seen in the TMZ video -- approximately $10K.

Getting detailed list of memorabilia and has to prove it belonged to OJ.

Kato being interviewed now -- saying "nothing" IMO

Athena
"Cook also filed a new request to get Simpson's watch, which he described as a Rolex Submariner that he saw the former football star wearing in a photo featured on the celebrity Web site TMZ.com. Such watches sell for $5,000 or more, he said.?

?The judge told Cook it was his responsibility to obtain the watch and have it appraised and he set an Oct. 16 hearing to determine whether the watch would be exempt from the judgment."

Cook argued Simpson was wealthy, citing a 2003 tax form indicating income of $400,000. He also said Simpson has four pensions -- three for his NFL, TV and movie work and a private stock account worth more than $2 million.

Slates scoffed, noting money from the pension funds are exempt from the judgment and Simpson has expenses for his three children.

"He has a right, like everybody else, to be protected (under the law)," Slates said.

He also said Simpson has repeatedly offered to settle the judgment with the Goldman family.

Cook replied it would be "a cold day in hell" when that would happen.

"It is inconceivable that the father of a murder victim would sit and haggle," Cook said.

Meanwhile, in Nevada, another man suspected in the alleged heist surrendered Monday. Clarence Stewart, 53, of Las Vegas, also turned over some of the missing

[martin II]

Not going to repeat everything but Clarence Stewart's lawyer said witnesses with OJ are adamant there was no gun, never saw a gun and never mentioned a gun. Lawyer said he entered the room; alot of yelling and he's the one that said take what's yours and let's get out of here.

My comment: I do remember someone calmly saying this on the tape so I guess it was this guy.

If the people involved say there were no guns in the room,victim says there were guns, how will le prove that the guns they found later at a house was the same guns the victims say were in the room?

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Cook replied it would be "a cold day in hell" when that would happen.

"It is inconceivable that the father of a murder victim would sit and haggle," Cook said.



Orenthal's attorney sounds just as crass as he is. Big surprise. :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Goodnight all. :seeya:

Goodnight :seeya: I know what you mean about Tivo, I LOVE it! :D

[socaldiva]

If the people involved say there were no guns in the room,victim says there were guns, how will le prove that the guns they found later at a house was the same guns the victims say were in the room?

martin II

I don't know about proving that the guns they found later at a house were involved, but I think the audio tape mentions a gun.

[socaldiva]

I think he's become more comfortable on camera than he used to be. Give us your opinion if you're going to be online, if not, don't worry about it. I keep forgeting not everyone is a night owl like me!

You got it, if I'm awake, I'll post :patriot: :D

[tv]

You got it, if I'm awake, I'll post :patriot: :DThanks diva! :D

[socaldiva]

Thanks diva! :D

You bet :patriot:

[socaldiva]

It looks like prosecutors have filed formal charges against Simpson:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070919/ap_on_re_us/o_j__simpson

:D :D :D

[tv]

Thank goodness for TIVO. I do retract my statement and not sure why I had that initial reaction but watching it back he does seem relaxed; actually VERY relaxed. Also don't know how I missed that he thought this whole thing was strange and that he also thinks OJ was "set up". He also mentioned that it seemed like they knew how to "push his buttons".

tvdinner -- just wanted to mention to you too (I don't remember where I read it) but you had posted something to the effect (not your exact words; but rather the gist of it) that if OJ is guilty he deserves what he gets but you also did not want to see him punished just because he's OJ. I respect you for making that comment and I do agree with you. I know everyone wants to see him locked up because it is believed he got away with murder, but I just believe they are separate incidents and should be treated as such. I tried to say something like this at work today and had I been on a stage I would have been egged so I just shut up. LOL

Speaking about being a night owl -- I actually am but have an early meeting in the morning. Ugh.

Goodnight all. :seeya:Thanks Athena! I try to be fair even when it hurts! :tongue: You definitely should have been allowed to voice your opinion without being mentally egged!

[socaldiva]

Ok, I watched Kato on Greta. I'd say he's more composed now & less nervous than he used to be, but still a bit phoney with his "I would have flown down to Vegas Greta, if I had known you would be there" routine. lol. I did hear him use the word "possibly" when talking about OJ being a murderer, which is surprising, because I'd heard him be more definitive in the past. Ok, my homework is done & I'm off to bed :D :seeya:

[tv]

Ok, I watched Kato on Greta. I'd say he's more composed now & less nervous than he used to be, but still a bit phoney with his "I would have flown down to Vegas Greta, if I had known you would be there" routine. lol. I did hear him use the word "possibly" when talking about OJ being a murderer, which is surprising, because I'd heard him be more definitive in the past. Ok, my homework is done & I'm off to bed :D :seeya:Thanks, diva! "Composed' is a good way to describe his demeanor. I couldn't find the right word. I missed the flying to Vegas comment, thanks for mentioning it. :) Night diva! :seeya:

[weezer]

I watched as many shows as I could last night and it seemed the common thread among the groups was the comment that orenthal was set up. I'm having a bit of a problem making that leap since the group orenthal brought with him to the room were unknown to the Riccio guy? In fact, orenthal said that the guys with him were his friends from the wedding. So if all orenthal was going to do was go get his stuff, why bring a posse and guns? And, yes, the gun is mentioned on the tape. imo

[Bailey Boys]

I watched as many shows as I could last night and it seemed the common thread among the groups was the comment that orenthal was set up. I'm having a bit of a problem making that leap since the group orenthal brought with him to the room were unknown to the Riccio guy? In fact, orenthal said that the guys with him were his friends from the wedding. So if all orenthal was going to do was go get his stuff, why bring a posse and guns? And, yes, the gun is mentioned on the tape. imo

I have hard that spin as well. Why would OJ be set up? IMO, it was bound to happen. His playing with fire days may be over...or one can hope..

[martin II]

Athena

Obviously the two cases are different. Almost 13 years apart with totally different charges. There seems to be anger carryover after all these years
because oj was found not guilty.Some seem to be unable to let go of that decision or the inclination to pick up eggs.:no:
martin II

[weezer]

Simpson arraigned in alleged armed robbery
Prosecutors agree to $125,000 bail in case involving ex-football star

[martin II]

"trial may not start until next year."
Yale Gallanter

[socaldiva]

*snip*Some seem to be unable to let go of that decision or the inclination to pick up eggs.:no:
martin II

Eggs? Who dropped eggs? What on earth are you talking about? :confused:

[socaldiva]

"trial may not start until next year."
Yale Gallanter

Yales isn't the first to say that, that was mentioned days ago. We've waited this long for Borenthal to go to jail, we can wait a few more months :tongue:

[weezer]

Yales isn't the first to say that, that was mentioned days ago. We've waited this long for Borenthal to go to jail, we can wait a few more months :tongue:

did you notice how the judge stressed the 'no contact with any witness' part?

[weezer]

"trial may not start until next year."
Yale Gallanter

"there is no book." Yale Gallanter

[socaldiva]

did you notice how the judge stressed the 'no contact with any witness' part?


Yes, but I can't imagine that Orenthal would have such self control.

[martin II]

did you notice how the judge stressed the 'no contact with any witness' part?

weezer
That instruction is normal in most cases.I think.So is passport surrender.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
That instruction is normal in most cases.I think.So is passport surrender.

martin II

it may be -- it was just said enough times -- with enough emphasis -- that the point was so very clearly made. Think AC will come through for him this time and go out and talk to the 'gang'?

[martin II]

it may be -- it was just said enough times -- with enough emphasis -- that the point was so very clearly made. Think AC will come through for him this time and go out and talk to the 'gang'?

i don't know. But it may be that the 'GANG' lawyer may talk to Oj's lawyer.
I have seen that happen in a lot of POLICE cases where i am.

martinii

[Athena]

Simpson had to surrender his passport, but he is allowed to return to his home in Miami, Florida, and travel elsewhere within the continental United States.

During his hearing earlier Wednesday, Judge Joe Bonaventure read 11 charges against the former football star stemming from an alleged robbery last week in a Las Vegas hotel.

Simpson was wearing a blue jail jumpsuit and handcuffs. He spoke only in direct response to Bonaventure's questions.

Simpson will be arraigned the week of October 22, when he will plead not guilty to the charges, defense attorney Yale Galanter said.

The judge also told Simpson he must refrain from contacting any alleged victims, witnesses or co-defendants in the case.

The charges include multiple counts of first-degree kidnapping with a weapon, robbery with a weapon, burglary with a weapon, coercion and conspiracy to commit kidnapping and robbery.



http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/19/oj.simpson/index.html

[Athena]

I watched as many shows as I could last night and it seemed the common thread among the groups was the comment that orenthal was set up. I'm having a bit of a problem making that leap since the group orenthal brought with him to the room were unknown to the Riccio guy? In fact, orenthal said that the guys with him were his friends from the wedding. So if all orenthal was going to do was go get his stuff, why bring a posse and guns? And, yes, the gun is mentioned on the tape. imo

From what I heard he kind of just gathered these guys up and asked them to come to the room with him. One of them was the friend of a friend and he didn't even know him.

I do believe that Riccio set this whole thing up. Doesn't change what will happen to OJ if found guilty -- but definitely a set up. When Riccio was asked why he sold the tape instead of giving it to LE; he said he had to feed his children. He set this meeting up 7 weeks ago.

I also do not recall hearing anything about a gun on the tape. Is there a transcript? JMO

[socaldiva]

*snip* When Riccio was asked why he sold the tape instead of giving it to LE; he said he had to feed his children.

Well then, Orenthal should understand. That's the excuse he's always giving for the funky stuff he does. :biggrin:

[weezer]

From what I heard he kind of just gathered these guys up and asked them to come to the room with him. One of them was the friend of a friend and he didn't even know him.

I do believe that Riccio set this whole thing up. Doesn't change what will happen to OJ if found guilty -- but definitely a set up. When Riccio was asked why he sold the tape instead of giving it to LE; he said he had to feed his children. He set this meeting up 7 weeks ago.

I also do not recall hearing anything about a gun on the tape. Is there a transcript? JMO

then that more or less speaks to the predictability of the raging, raving orenthal doesn't it? I still don't see how this Riccio guy could set up the thugs orenthal took with him to the hotel? do you?

[weezer]

Well then, Orenthal should understand. That's the excuse he's always giving for the funky stuff he does. :biggrin:

LOL -- now diva -- don't forget he also has to secure their legacy!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[socaldiva]

LOL -- now diva -- don't forget he also has to secure their legacy!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Yes, and "protect the homestead" as though they are all living on the set of Gunsmoke :)

[I'mSun]

Amazing. Here we are 13 years later, following OJ on the freeway again via helicopter. Who woulda thought?

[Athena]

then that more or less speaks to the predictability of the raging, raving orenthal doesn't it? I still don't see how this Riccio guy could set up the thugs orenthal took with him to the hotel? do you?

He wasn't setting up the guys OJ was with; he was setting up OJ and the guys happened to be with him. Prior to him entering the room Riccio mentions Beardsley and OJ was already upset BEFORE he entered the room and that was believed to what had set him off because Beardsley was an alleged friend who betrayed him. He just knew he was meeting someone with his stolen property; he did not know it was Beardsley until just before he entered the room. Greta played this portion on her show last night. :shrug:

[tazzybaby]

"there is no book." Yale Gallanter

LOL!!!!!!!

That's great!!

:beer:

[tazzybaby]

Did anyone hear the guy (first guy who was arrested) when he first came out to speak? He was saying that it was all OJ's fault and he was greedy and selfish. He was extemely mad at OJ. But, no one forced him to go along. Just like no one forced OJ to go in all commando style. He's done this to him self whether it's a set up or not. He still has to follow the law.

[martin II]

TMZ says this conversation took place between the two thieves soon after oj and the other people left.

TMZ has obtained an audiotape recorded about an hour after Simpson left. Bruce Fromong, one of the alleged victims, is heard saying, "I've already called the press." Fromong continues, "I've already called "Inside Edition." I'm trying to get Lydia's number, but it was in my f*****g phone that he stole."

Fromong rants at Alfred Beardsley, the other alleged victim, saying, "I told you we shouldn't have brought this s**t in. I told you." Beardsley replies, "Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, do you know how much money you're gonna make off this?" Fromong responds, "I don't give a s**t."

[socaldiva]

Did anyone hear the guy (first guy who was arrested) when he first came out to speak? He was saying that it was all OJ's fault and he was greedy and selfish. He was extemely mad at OJ. But, no one forced him to go along. Just like no one forced OJ to go in all commando style. He's done this to him self whether it's a set up or not. He still has to follow the law.

I didn't hear that, but I haven't seen all of the shows either. It sure sounds right, OJ is greedy & selfish.

I heard a bit ago that the Goldman's are enroute (or their attys) to Nevada to collect Orenthal's gold Rolex from him at the jail. Did anyone else hear that?

[socaldiva]

*snip*
TMZ has obtained an audiotape recorded about an hour after Simpson left. Bruce Fromong, one of the alleged victims, is heard saying, "I've already called the press."

So what? Orenthal was acting on his own accord. Because they taped it or called the press afterward has no bearing on Orenthal's illegal behavior.

[martin II]

Did anyone hear the guy (first guy who was arrested) when he first came out to speak? He was saying that it was all OJ's fault and he was greedy and selfish. He was extemely mad at OJ. But, no one forced him to go along. Just like no one forced OJ to go in all commando style. He's done this to him self whether it's a set up or not. He still has to follow the law.

Alexander is his name and he said oj was set up by RICCIO, but he also had a gun, right?
martin II

[socaldiva]

Alexander is his name and he said oj was set up by RICCIO, but he also had a gun, right?
martin II

The only way RICCIO could "set up" Orenthal, is to record his illegal behavior.
No one made Orenthal bring thugs with weapons or threaten people :rolleyes:

[tazzybaby]

Alexander is his name and he said oj was set up by RICCIO, but he also had a gun, right?
martin II

Yes, Alexander. But, he didn't say OJ was set up until the next day. And, yes, he is one of the guys with the gun.

[Levi]

Athena

It sounds like a set up to me. Seems like LE is willing to let everyone go but oj.
Riccio now says he has 20 hours ? of tape, that he will give le when his lawyer receives writtin assurances that he will not be charged for illegal taping.

martin II

How is O.J. being set up when O.J. said himself he was the one doing the set up? A sting operation is a set up.

That is stupid, that the theory is that he was set up. It makes absolutely no sense! But it does fit into the "OJ is always a victim" attitude, all these conspiracy nuts blab every time that O.J. is in the news! ((rolls eyes))

[Suzee10]

Yelling and screaming would be a way of releasing rage, right? Would it be necessary to yell and scream if you had found a more effective way to vent your rage?


Like what? Murder, or double murder! I guess that was his way of releasing rage rather than screeching.

[Suzee10]

Oh, while I am thinking about it, is OJ still looking for the "real" killers?


Certainly!!!!:rolleyes:

[Suzee10]

Thanks for the link. I had just heard in the car that they had added kidnapping & it made me giggle. :tongue:


It made me laugh out loud, lol, Socaldiva!!!! The more charges the merrier!

[Suzee10]

I've never heard Kato say "possibly". I've always understood him to believe Orenthal is a double murderer :shrug:


Kato does think he is a double murderer. He was on the the old Geraldo show and Geraldo interogated him, for a lack of a better word, and Kato admitted he thought simpson was guilty. I think Kato was scared to admit it during the trial and as long as it was going on. I think he thought someone may be persauded to do something to him to shut him up.

Oh Socaldiva, old simpson did not have that smirk on his face this moring in court or coming out of the jail today either, lol.

[Suzee10]

Yales isn't the first to say that, that was mentioned days ago. We've waited this long for Borenthal to go to jail, we can wait a few more months :tongue:


I totally agree Socaldiva, what's a few more months. Hey we could become pen pals with simpson, lol.

[Suzee10]

How is O.J. being set up when O.J. said himself he was the one doing the set up? A sting operation is a set up.

That is stupid, that the theory is that he was set up. It makes absolutely no sense! But it does fit into the "OJ is always a victim" attitude, all these conspiracy nuts blab every time that O.J. is in the news! ((rolls eyes))


You are so right Levi. simpson did say he set up the "sting" operation.

[socaldiva]

*snip* I think Kato was scared to admit it during the trial and as long as it was going on.

I always thought the same thing & I can't say I blame him. Look how Simpson behaves when someone crosses him.

[martin II]

Kato does think he is a double murderer. He was on the the old Geraldo show and Geraldo interogated him, for a lack of a better word, and Kato admitted he thought simpson was guilty. I think Kato was scared to admit it during the trial and as long as it was going on. I think he thought someone may be persauded to do something to him to shut him up.

Oh Socaldiva, old simpson did not have that smirk on his face this moring in court or coming out of the jail today either, lol.

what Kato believes means ZERO whatever his opinion is, it changes nothing.
Just like everyone here.
martin II

[socaldiva]

what Kato believes means ZERO whatever his opinion is, it changes nothing.
Just like everyone here.
martin II

By "everyone here", I guess you are including yourself. If that's the case, why post? :shrug:

You seem to give credence to the opinions you like. That includes both case players & posters.

btw: Aren't you the poster that quotes Kato's testimony when you think it favors your opinion?

[Levi]

You are so right Levi. simpson did say he set up the "sting" operation.

Yep it is silly. O.J.'s own words are going to come back to bite him in the butt. He said he set this up! O.J. is such an arrogant, sociopath who is so self obsessed and thinks so much of himself he gives himself the authority to set up a "sting operation." He even admits he was setting up a sting operation and even in media interviews, while trying to defend himself he called this a "sting operation" that he set up. Now, the defense is that he was framed! That he was set up!

It's a bunch of bull crap. Anyone can tell they pulled that defense right out of their butts! :rolleyes: :no:

Silly Conspiracy nuts... Take the tin foil hats off. :biggrin:

[WarmNCozy]

what Kato believes means ZERO whatever his opinion is, it changes nothing.
Just like everyone here.
martin II
Exactly, except everyone or most here are not freeloaders!

[Levi]

By "everyone here", I guess you are including yourself. If that's the case, why post? :shrug:

You seem to give credence to the opinions you like. That includes both case players & posters.

btw: Aren't you the poster that quotes Kato's testimony when you think it favors your opinion?
When they aren't making O.J. out to be a victim, they are attacking Furhman, Kato or Fred Goldman. It gets old.

[socaldiva]

When they aren't making O.J. out to be a victim, they are attacking Furhman, Kato or Fred Goldman. It gets old.

It sure does. How can Orenthal be a perpetual victim in all of these incidents? It's absurd.

[Levi]

A new book sequel is in the works to OJ's book "If I Did It". "If I Stoled It" :biggrin:

[WarmNCozy]

A new book sequel is in the works to OJ's book "If I Did It". "If I Stoled It" :biggrin:

Very cute, Levi!

[socaldiva]

A new book sequel is in the works to OJ's book "If I Did It". "If I Stoled It" :biggrin:

I love it! Of course that book will be "hypothetical" as well. :biggrin:

[Levi]

Did anyone see that woman that is apparently O.J.'s girl friend? (Who the hell would want him?) she was obviously trying to look like Nicole Brown... She couldn't pull it off. She looked like a trashy skank. Very disgusting.

I bet she is the type who write death row inmates and buy the finger nail clippings of serial killers in prisons... ::barf::

[TobyTiger]

Alexander is his name and he said oj was set up by RICCIO, but he also had a gun, right?
martin II
Yes, Walter Alexander. An interesting note, Alexander is a nephew of Mark Goudeau, the alleged "Baseline Serial Killer".

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0918OJfolo0918.html

[Heyes]

Exactly, except everyone or most here are not freeloaders!


Not to mention.
No one here lived with the killer, Kato did.
Not one of us was with the killer minutes before Nicole and Ron were murdered, Kato was.
Kato, I'm listening.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Did anyone see that woman that is apparently O.J.'s girl friend? (Who the hell would want him?) she was obviously trying to look like Nicole Brown...

Yes, what a sad case she must be if she thinks that's the best she can do. Poor thing :(

[socaldiva]

Not to mention.
No one here lived with the killer, Kato did.
Not one of us was with the killer minutes before Nicole and Ron were murdered, Kato was.
Kato, I'm listening.

Ditto. I think Kato is credible. A bit goofy, but credible.

[martin II]

Yep it is silly. O.J.'s own words are going to come back to bite him in the butt. He said he set this up! O.J. is such an arrogant, sociopath who is so self obsessed and thinks so much of himself he gives himself the authority to set up a "sting operation." He even admits he was setting up a sting operation and even in media interviews, while trying to defend himself he called this a "sting operation" that he set up. Now, the defense is that he was framed! That he was set up!

It's a bunch of bull crap. Anyone can tell they pulled that defense right out of their butts! :rolleyes: :no:

Silly Conspiracy nuts... Take the tin foil hats off. :biggrin:

i think the idea that oj was set up has come from other people that were in the room. Not oj and not his defense. Is that right?

Ps beaseley (sp) ( one of the guys selling the goods) was arrested on a outstand LA warrant yesterday.He is to be sent there today/soon.

martin II

[martin II]

Yes, Walter Alexander. An interesting note, Alexander is a nephew of Mark Goudeau, the alleged "Baseline Serial Killer".

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0918OJfolo0918.html

I don't know who Mark GOUDEAU is. Maby i should.

Do you know if it is legal in Nevada to record conversations without the approval of those being recorded?

martin II

[weezer]

I don't know who Mark GOUDEAU is. Maby i should.

Do you know if it is legal in Nevada to record conversations without the approval of those being recorded?

martin II

how many times are you going to to post this question? why not just refer to your previous posts?

[martin II]

how many times are you going to to post this question? why not just refer to your previous posts?

Weezer
my post it to toby tiger.not you.


Athena

This is interesting
Nevada LAW ON TAPING CONVERSATIONS

"although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations"
Look at what it says about Nevada specifically.

martin II


Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as "one-party consent" statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. (Nevada also has a one-party consent statute, but the state Supreme Court has interpreted it as an all-party rule.)
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510

[weezer]

Weezer
my post it to toby tiger.not you.


Athena

This is interesting
Nevada LAW ON TAPING CONVERSATIONS

"although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations"
Look at what it says about Nevada specifically.

martin II


Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as "one-party consent" statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. (Nevada also has a one-party consent statute, but the state Supreme Court has interpreted it as an all-party rule.)
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510

I'm just wondering why you have the same conversation going on two different threads and I didn't want you to be misinformed:

http://www.rcfp.org/news/1999/0111b.html

Taping constitutes þinterception' of call, court finds
01/11/99


NEVADA--In early December, a divided state Supreme Court in Carson City held that Nevada's wiretapping statute requires that an individual obtain the consent of all parties before taping a telephone conversation. The controversy in the 3-2 ruling turned on whether individuals who tape their own telephone calls are "intercepting" those calls.

Two high court justices joined Justice Bill Maupin in concluding that the language and the history of the statute expressed a clear legislative intent to outlaw the recording of a telephone conversation when only one participant has consented.

Justices Robert Rose and Charles Springer dissented. Each wrote separately to voice differing opinions on the meaning of the law. Springer asserted that because the statute outlaws the "interception" and recording of certain conversations, illegal wiretapping involves a third party's intrusion into a communication. A person cannot illegally tape a conversation to which he is a party, and the court's decision that such taping is an "interception" creates an "absurd result," Springer argued.

The controversy over the meaning of the wiretapping law -- which provides both civil and criminal penalties for illegal recording of conversations -- arose in a case involving a former insurance company employee who sued the company over employment-related contract claims. The employee, Randy Lane, had offered tape recordings of more than 700 telephone conversations between himself and other persons in support of his claims.

A trial court in Reno concluded that the law required all-party consent for telephone conversation taping, thus making Lane's tape recordings inadmissible as evidence. The court dismissed Lane's claim against his former employer.

The majority reasoned that the absence of explicit wording in the statute allowing one-party consent, which appears in a separate Nevada statute covering the recording of in-person conversations as well as in the federal wiretapping statute that served as the model for Nevada's wiretapping law, showed the legislature intended to require all parties to consent to telephone conversation tapings.

Springer, however, argued that "only a third person can intercept a communication, just as only a third person can intercept an attempted forward pass between a passer and a receiver. Where there are only two persons, there cannot be an interception no matter how hard we try to stretch the law and the facts."

"I cannot believe that the legislature intended a meaning of the word þintercept' that was entirely inconsistent with the word's dictionary meaning or that would produce the absurd result of making all telephone conversations illegal," Springer added.

Rose wrote separately to argue that "Nevada did indeed enact the single-party consent rule," but concluded that because the court could not agree on the meaning of the wiretapping statute, it had to be considered ambiguous. Rose determined that based on the definition of "person" that appears in the statute, the law should only apply to public officials and law enforcement personnel, not to private citizens like Lane. As a result, Rose found "Lane did not violate any law in recording telephone conversations to which he was a party."

The court allowed Lane's claim to proceed but ordered that all evidence obtained via the recordings be excluded at trial. (Lane v. Allstate)

[weezer]

Nevada case: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nv&vol=114nvadvopno125&invol=2

[martin II]

Nevada case: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nv&vol=114nvadvopno125&invol=2

weezer
from what i read IN YOUR LINK this is about WIRE conversations. My post was about 'IN PERSON CONVERSATIONS' which i believe was done with the hand held recorder used by Riccio.
RIGHT
MARTIN ii

[weezer]

weezer
from what i read IN YOUR LINK this is about WIRE conversations. My post was about 'IN PERSON CONVERSATIONS' which i believe was done with the hand held recorder used by Riccio.
RIGHT
MARTIN ii

LOL -- my post was taken from what you had supplied as a link! LOL

[martin II]

I'm just wondering why you have the same conversation going on two different threads and I didn't want you to be misinformed:

http://www.rcfp.org/news/1999/0111b.html

Taping constitutes þinterception' of call, court finds
01/11/99


NEVADA--In early December, a divided state Supreme Court in Carson City held that Nevada's wiretapping statute requires that an individual obtain the consent of all parties before taping a telephone conversation. The controversy in the 3-2 ruling turned on whether individuals who tape their own telephone calls are "intercepting" those calls.

Two high court justices joined Justice Bill Maupin in concluding that the language and the history of the statute expressed a clear legislative intent to outlaw the recording of a telephone conversation when only one participant has consented.

Justices Robert Rose and Charles Springer dissented. Each wrote separately to voice differing opinions on the meaning of the law. Springer asserted that because the statute outlaws the "interception" and recording of certain conversations, illegal wiretapping involves a third party's intrusion into a communication. A person cannot illegally tape a conversation to which he is a party, and the court's decision that such taping is an "interception" creates an "absurd result," Springer argued.

The controversy over the meaning of the wiretapping law -- which provides both civil and criminal penalties for illegal recording of conversations -- arose in a case involving a former insurance company employee who sued the company over employment-related contract claims. The employee, Randy Lane, had offered tape recordings of more than 700 telephone conversations between himself and other persons in support of his claims.

A trial court in Reno concluded that the law required all-party consent for telephone conversation taping, thus making Lane's tape recordings inadmissible as evidence. The court dismissed Lane's claim against his former employer.

The majority reasoned that the absence of explicit wording in the statute allowing one-party consent, which appears in a separate Nevada statute covering the recording of in-person conversations as well as in the federal wiretapping statute that served as the model for Nevada's wiretapping law, showed the legislature intended to require all parties to consent to telephone conversation tapings.

Springer, however, argued that "only a third person can intercept a communication, just as only a third person can intercept an attempted forward pass between a passer and a receiver. Where there are only two persons, there cannot be an interception no matter how hard we try to stretch the law and the facts."

"I cannot believe that the legislature intended a meaning of the word þintercept' that was entirely inconsistent with the word's dictionary meaning or that would produce the absurd result of making all telephone conversations illegal," Springer added.

Rose wrote separately to argue that "Nevada did indeed enact the single-party consent rule," but concluded that because the court could not agree on the meaning of the wiretapping statute, it had to be considered ambiguous. Rose determined that based on the definition of "person" that appears in the statute, the law should only apply to public officials and law enforcement personnel, not to private citizens like Lane. As a result, Rose found "Lane did not violate any law in recording telephone conversations to which he was a party."

The court allowed Lane's claim to proceed but ordered that all evidence obtained via the recordings be excluded at trial. (Lane v. Allstate)

This case was about telehpone conversations(wire). not person to person in room hand held recordings
martin II

[martin II]

LOL -- my post was taken from what you had supplied as a link! LOL

ok but the oj case is about hand held recording person to person in a room.
not telephone which is wire taping. you do understand that i am sure.
martin II

[tv]

weezer
from what i read IN YOUR LINK this is about WIRE conversations. My post was about 'IN PERSON CONVERSATIONS' which i believe was done with the hand held recorder used by Riccio.
RIGHT
MARTIN iiI don't know what kind of recorder was used but it's my understanding that the recorder was in an armoire in the room and has hours of conversation on it.

[weezer]

This case was about telehpone conversations(wire). not person to person in room hand held recordings
martin II

please post again where you believe that Nevada law does not allow single party recrodings of face-to-face conversations.

[martin II]

weezer
this is what i think may be important in this case.
especially in Nevada.
Riccio used a hand held recorder to tape people in the room where he was that he could normally hear.

martin II



Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.

Regardless of the state, it is almost always illegal to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape, and could not naturally overhear.

Federal law and most state laws also make it illegal to disclose the contents of an illegally intercepted call or communication.

At least 24 states have laws outlawing certain uses of hidden cameras in private places, although many of the laws are specifically limited to attempts to record nudity. Also, many of the statutes concern unattended hidden cameras, not cameras hidden on a person engaged in a conversation. Journalists should be aware, however, that the audio portion of a videotape will be treated under the regular wiretapping laws in any state. And regardless of whether a state has a criminal law regarding cameras, undercover recording in a private place can prompt civil lawsuits for invasion of privacy.

http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510

[martin II]

it is reported that oj only had to put up about $25,000.00 cash for his bond and that his sister, daughter and girlfriend put that up. also that others were donating money for him, i guess for his defense.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

I don't know what kind of recorder was used but it's my understanding that the recorder was in an armoire in the room and has hours of conversation on it.

It was my understanding that Riccio used a cell phone to record the conversations. I didn't even know that was possible. :shrug:

[martin II]

weezer
this is one part that i think is important.

Regardless of the state, it is almost always illegal to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape, and could not naturally overhear.
this is from the above link
I think riccio used a 'CASIO' HAND HELD tape recorder.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
and could not naturally overhear.


How could anyone that's not deaf not "naturally overhear" Orenthal's crazy screaming?:tongue:

[martin II]

An audiotape of O.J. Simpson's confrontation with men in a hotel room captures the voice of one of Simpson's companions saying "bang bang" as he holds a gun to the head of one of the alleged victims, according to a lawyer for the man who recorded the episode.
Lawyer Stan Lieber said his client, auction house manager Tom Riccio, was in a Las Vegas hotel room with a tape recorder when Simpson burst in with several men. Simpson has said that the men in the room stole memorabilia of his sports career.

----------------------

Lieber would not provide any of the tape, and said that Riccio sold five minutes of it to TMZ. He would not disclose the sale price. Riccio said he is in touch with various news outlets who have offered to give him money to cover legal bills in return for exclusive rights to detailed accounts of his story. Lieber said he is only aware of the deal with TMZ. Selling his story “would be illegal” because Riccio is a potential witness, Lieber said. “We can’t sell interviews or information but you’re allowed to sell reporting.”

Posted by Mike

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Posted by Mike


Who is Mike? :confused: Are we getting info from blogs again? :tongue:

[martin II]

COLMES: How is a tape — now, was there a tape recorder in the room at the time? Did Riccio come in there with a tape recorder on his person? Do we know how it was set up to be taped?

RIVERA: I believe he had the recording device on his — in his hand as they went in that room. He was rolling on it. And I also think that there's more tape to come from the room itself, because I believe they wired the room, Alan.

[weezer]

weezer
this is one part that i think is important.

Regardless of the state, it is almost always illegal to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape, and could not naturally overhear.
this is from the above link
I think riccio used a 'CASIO' HAND HELD tape recorder.
martin II

riccio was a party to the conversation

[socaldiva]

Who are Colmes & Rivera? Geraldo Rivera? Was he there?

[martin II]

riccio was a party to the conversation

other two conditions.
"do not have consent to tape", "and could not naturally overhear."

Riccio walked into he room with the hand held recorder on, taped some conversation with the twp sellers before oj cane into the room and then continued to tape the part when oj did come into the room.

then illegally sold part of the recording to TMZ

according to his lawyer and Geraldo.

martin II

[weezer]

other two conditions.
"do not have consent to tape", "and could not naturally overhear."

Riccio walked into he room with the hand held recorder on, taped some conversation with the twp sellers before oj cane into the room and then continued to tape the part when oj did come into the room.

then illegally sold part of the recording to TMZ

according to his lawyer and Geraldo.

martin II

why do they say it was illegal?

[martin II]

why do they say it was illegal?

The tapers lawyer talking


Lieber would not provide any of the tape, and said that Riccio sold five minutes of it to TMZ. He would not disclose the sale price. Riccio said he is in touch with various news outlets who have offered to give him money to cover legal bills in return for exclusive rights to detailed accounts of his story. Lieber said he is only aware of the deal with TMZ. Selling his story “would be illegal” because Riccio is a potential witness, Lieber said. “We can’t sell interviews or information but you’re allowed to sell reporting.”


martin II

[weezer]

The tapers lawyer talking


Lieber would not provide any of the tape, and said that Riccio sold five minutes of it to TMZ. He would not disclose the sale price. Riccio said he is in touch with various news outlets who have offered to give him money to cover legal bills in return for exclusive rights to detailed accounts of his story. Lieber said he is only aware of the deal with TMZ. Selling his story “would be illegal” because Riccio is a potential witness, Lieber said. “We can’t sell interviews or information but you’re allowed to sell reporting.”


martin II

this makes no sense -- he is the witness, not the tapes and I don't believe anyone but a judge can tell him who he can talk to. Am I wrong?

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .The tapers lawyer talking. . "

I want you to know that I spent several minutes trying to figure out who 'tapers' was!! ROFLMAO

[martin II]

“I heard the tapes that were released to the media,” Alfred Beardsley told TODAY host Matt Lauer during a live interview Wednesday. “I have concerns about these tapes, whether they’re doctored, whether they’re edited, looped. They’re not verbatim, and there’s information missing.”

Beardsley offered one example to back up his contention.



“Simpson confronted me, saying, ‘Man, what’s wrong with you? You have a turnover order for this stuff. What are you doing with this stuff?’ I have no clue where that statement went,” Beardsley said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20868698/

[martin II]

I want you to know that I spent several minutes trying to figure out who 'tapers' was!! ROFLMAO

you are funny

riccio

martin II

[martin II]

this makes no sense -- he is the witness, not the tapes and I don't believe anyone but a judge can tell him who he can talk to. Am I wrong?



He is one witness.
you asked why would it be illegal. i gave you his lawyers words. If you dissagree, maby the lawyer does not know what he is talking about. right?

Lieber said he is only aware of the deal with TMZ. Selling his story “would be illegal” because Riccio is a potential witness, Lieber said. “We can’t sell interviews or information but you’re allowed to sell reporting.”

[martin II]

why do they say it was illegal?

maby they know the law.

martin II

[weezer]

He is one witness.
you asked why would it be illegal. i gave you his lawyers words. If you dissagree, maby the lawyer does not know what he is talking about. right?

Lieber said he is only aware of the deal with TMZ. Selling his story “would be illegal” because Riccio is a potential witness, Lieber said. “We can’t sell interviews or information but you’re allowed to sell reporting.”

I don't believe anyone can keep a citizen from talking about or even selling their story with the exception of course of the convicted criminal. imo

[martin II]

some people say there were no guns in the room and one person say there was. I bet the guys charged with having the guns in the room will say that the guns found in another persons house did not belong to them.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

I don't believe anyone can keep a citizen from talking about or even selling their story with the exception of course of the convicted criminal. imo

i am not a expert on illegal recordings. Just posted the link about Nevada Law says about a recording being made without approval and what the lawyer for Riccio said was illegal. I am assuming that Riccio's lawyer has had experience with the law on this issue and that is why he said what he said.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

I want you to know that I spent several minutes trying to figure out who 'tapers' was!! ROFLMAO

LOL!!! I laughed out loud at work on that one!

[martin II]

weezer
this is what i think may be important in this case.
especially in Nevada.
Riccio used a hand held recorder to tape people in the room where he was that he could normally hear.

martin II



Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.

Regardless of the state, it is almost always illegal to record a conversation to which you are not a party, do not have consent to tape, and could not naturally overhear.

Federal law and most state laws also make it illegal to disclose the contents of an illegally intercepted call or communication.

At least 24 states have laws outlawing certain uses of hidden cameras in private places, although many of the laws are specifically limited to attempts to record nudity. Also, many of the statutes concern unattended hidden cameras, not cameras hidden on a person engaged in a conversation. Journalists should be aware, however, that the audio portion of a videotape will be treated under the regular wiretapping laws in any state. And regardless of whether a state has a criminal law regarding cameras, undercover recording in a private place can prompt civil lawsuits for invasion of privacy.

http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510


my question is if the recording is deemed illegally made, how if at all will this
impact the trial against these people.

martin II

[weezer]

my question is if the recording is deemed illegally made, how if at all will this
impact the trial against these people.

martin II

it will be all right -- Nevada has case law that says he could tape it.

[socaldiva]

I want you to know that I spent several minutes trying to figure out who 'tapers' was!! ROFLMAO

I know. I thought he was referring to someone as a tapir. I had heard of calling someone a weasel, but not a tapir :D



http://prometheus.med.utah.edu/~slashdot/baby%20tapir.jpg

[martin II]

it will be all right -- Nevada has case law that says he could tape it.

according to you

martinN II

[tv]

“I heard the tapes that were released to the media,” Alfred Beardsley told TODAY host Matt Lauer during a live interview Wednesday. “I have concerns about these tapes, whether they’re doctored, whether they’re edited, looped. They’re not verbatim, and there’s information missing.”

Beardsley offered one example to back up his contention.



“Simpson confronted me, saying, ‘Man, what’s wrong with you? You have a turnover order for this stuff. What are you doing with this stuff?’ I have no clue where that statement went,” Beardsley said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20868698/Now the tapes are fraudulent? I was wondering when that line of reasoning would start.

[martin II]

Now the tapes are fraudulent? I was wondering when that line of reasoning would start.

TV
I don't think he is saying they are fraudlent. he said they were edited as he did not hear a part of the conversation he knows took place.

According to NEVADA law( above link) it appears that recording person to person conversations with a recording device without their approval is illegal.

martin II

[tv]

TV
I don't think he is saying they are fraudlent. he said they were edited as he did not hear a part of the conversation he knows took place.

According to NEVADA law( above link) it appears that recording person to person conversations with a recording device without their approval is illegal.

martin IIIf they were edited, then they're being misrepresented, but that's yet to be determined. I seem to recall that Beardsley wanted to let the whole thing go after Simpson apologized. He may be trying to put Simpson's involvement in a better light. I can't believe someone as enraged as Simpson would have used the words that Beardsley said he did.

[martin II]

If they were edited, then they're being misrepresented, but that's yet to be determined. I seem to recall that Beardsley wanted to let the whole thing go after Simpson apologized. He may be trying to put Simpson's involvement in a better light. I can't believe someone as enraged as Simpson would have used the words that Beardsley said he did.

i don't see why not. Sounds like a reasonable thing for him to say to the guy he trusted. At any rate, oj had a very strong voice and that is the way he speaks especially when excited.


The main guy doing the selling had a heart attack and is in critical condition.
martin II

[tv]

i don't see why not. Sounds like a reasonable thing for him to say to the guy he trusted. At any rate, oj had a very strong voice and that is the way he speaks especially when excited.

martin IIIt doesn't equate with him screaming something like "You think you can steal my---?!" He wasn't concerned with turning anything over. He was furious because he'd been screwed over. What he didn't realize was that while he was screaming about being screwed over he was being screwed over again. :tongue:

[martin II]

Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index...articleID=3510

[martin II]

It doesn't equate with him screaming something like "You think you can steal my---?!" He wasn't concerned with turning anything over. He was furious because he'd been screwed over. What he didn't realize was that while he was screaming about being screwed over he was being screwed over again. :tongue:

We will see how it plays out.

martin II

[martin II]

It doesn't equate with him screaming something like "You think you can steal my---?!" He wasn't concerned with turning anything over. He was furious because he'd been screwed over. What he didn't realize was that while he was screaming about being screwed over he was being screwed over again. :tongue:

while saying what he said he was identifying his stuff and others were packing it up. I really don't see anything wrong with him getting angry
when he saw who was in the room.imo
martin II

[Heyes]

Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index...articleID=3510
Gee martin, I"m beginning to think you are looking for a way to suppress the truth. Why not have the recording in court? Why look for loop holes? If simpson is so innocent in this, let all the truth come out. :shrug:
As far as the other members of the oj dance troop go... if they're all guilty let em all do a bit of time, what do we care? Someone once said if you locked up all these guys crime would drop 40% in California, I love that statement and even though it's a tad inflated, I would bet there's some truth in that.

[TobyTiger]

I don't know who Mark GOUDEAU is. Maby i should.

Do you know if it is legal in Nevada to record conversations without the approval of those being recorded?

martin II

From the link:
"The Mesa man arrested with O.J. Simpson in the robbery in a Las Vegas hotel room is related to "Baseline Killer" suspect Mark Goudeau, who was convicted this month on rape charges.

Walter Alexander, 46, who told friends he is a golfing buddy of Simpson and knows Mike Tyson, is Goudeau's nephew.

Goudeau was convicted Sept. 7 in the sexual attack of two women. He faces trial on nine counts of murder and 15 additional cases of rape in the serial-killing case."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0918OJfolo0918.html

As to your second question, I believe the answer is "no".

[socaldiva]

*snip* What he didn't realize was that while he was screaming about being screwed over he was being screwed over again. :tongue:

OMG! I think this is my favorite post of the month. I hadn't thought of it like that, but it's true & it's hysterical. :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

Gee martin, I"m beginning to think you are looking for a way to suppress the truth. Why not have the recording in court? Why look for loop holes? If simpson is so innocent in this, let all the truth come out. :shrug:
As far as the other members of the oj dance troop go... if they're all guilty let em all do a bit of time, what do we care? Someone once said if you locked up all these guys crime would drop 40% in California, I love that statement and even though it's a tad inflated, I would bet there's some truth in that.

For once, I agree with you. I think the truth is comming out. Are you listening to Greta? I think that all the participants have some tainted baggage. I think that we should let the trial play out. I guess, if you lock up the alleged victims, the the crime rate may drop 90%, shrug.

[martin II]

Gee martin, I"m beginning to think you are looking for a way to suppress the truth. Why not have the recording in court? Why look for loop holes? If simpson is so innocent in this, let all the truth come out. :shrug:
As far as the other members of the oj dance troop go... if they're all guilty let em all do a bit of time, what do we care? Someone once said if you locked up all these guys crime would drop 40% in California, I love that statement and even though it's a tad inflated, I would bet there's some truth in that.

Hayes
Normally i would not respond but i will this time.
As usual you are off the road. so to speak.
Sounds like you are willing to ignore the Laws of Navada to see someone convicted that you personally don't like. I believe upholding the law of Navada is for more important than you or anyone else having their way.
The laws, most time help society where as y------------
imo
martin II

[martin II]

From the link:
"The Mesa man arrested with O.J. Simpson in the robbery in a Las Vegas hotel room is related to "Baseline Killer" suspect Mark Goudeau, who was convicted this month on rape charges.

Walter Alexander, 46, who told friends he is a golfing buddy of Simpson and knows Mike Tyson, is Goudeau's nephew.

Goudeau was convicted Sept. 7 in the sexual attack of two women. He faces trial on nine counts of murder and 15 additional cases of rape in the serial-killing case."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0918OJfolo0918.html

As to your second question, I believe the answer is "no".

Sorry i did not know about the murder rapist.

I cannot think of his name now but do you remember the serial rapist that is on death row in florida that worked for a home decorating company in brentwood. It was reported that he painted Nicoles house and was at a bar
shortly before her death where nicole was .
Another poster posted many times here about this guy and his connection to nicole.Maby you have heard of this before.

Soneone asked me about the recording issue in Navada so i looked it up and posted what i found.
Thanks
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*The laws, most time help society where as y------------
imo
martin II


What the hey does this mean? :confused:

[tv]

while saying what he said he was identifying his stuff and others were packing it up. I really don't see anything wrong with him getting angry
when he saw who was in the room.imo
martin IIYes, he was angry, that's my point. Too angry to be telling someone they were supposed to turn over stuff. I may be proven wrong but it just doesn't fit in with the anger he was showing. :shrug:

[tv]

For once, I agree with you. I think the truth is comming out. Are you listening to Greta? I think that all the participants have some tainted baggage. I think that we should let the trial play out. I guess, if you lock up the alleged victims, the the crime rate may drop 90%, shrug.William, I think the whole bunch of them are disreputable characters. I'm all for letting the truth be known and letting it play out. Yale Galanter seems confident that a fair jury can be found.

[William Anthony]

William, I think the whole bunch of them are disreputable characters. I'm all for letting the truth be known and letting it play out. Yale Galanter seems confident that a fair jury can be found.

Over confidence may be a great downfall, :) .

[kjb19500]

I have to admit I'm pretty confused about a lot of these issues; maybe I can be on the jury?? Oops, sorry, wrong state.

Some questions though. Regarding the alledged event itself: Simpson stated that he didn't call the police because it "didn't work for him." Were the items covered under the Goldman settlement? If he had brought in the police, would they have been siezed and reverted to the Goldman family? IMO, this speaks to motive.

Re being set up: Some are implying that Riccio "set up" Simpson. If one enters into a criminal enterprise does it matter why they did it? If my neighbor steals my lawnmower, can I go into his garage, threaten him, and take it back without violating the law myself?

Re the taping: As I read the link, it seemed pretty specific that it involved taping phone conversations without consent or in using hidden recording equipment, or in taping a conversation the taper wouldn't be privy to in the ordinary course of affairs. If Riccio was in the room with the other people, wouldn't he be privy to coversation and thus legally able to tape it?

Re the victim/heart attack: Would Nevada law allow criminal charges to be filed if it proved that the events brought on the heart attack? (Another case on this board involves an elderly woman who died of a heart attack during the commission of a carjacking, see Children Charged as Adults.) Even if criminal charges aren't brought, could Simpson and the others be charged in another wrongful death suit (assuming the victim dies)?

[martin II]

I have to admit I'm pretty confused about a lot of these issues; maybe I can be on the jury?? Oops, sorry, wrong state.

Some questions though. Regarding the alledged event itself: Simpson stated that he didn't call the police because it "didn't work for him." Were the items covered under the Goldman settlement? If he had brought in the police, would they have been siezed and reverted to the Goldman family? IMO, this speaks to motive.

Re being set up: Some are implying that Riccio "set up" Simpson. If one enters into a criminal enterprise does it matter why they did it? If my neighbor steals my lawnmower, can I go into his garage, threaten him, and take it back without violating the law myself?

Re the taping: As I read the link, it seemed pretty specific that it involved taping phone conversations without consent or in using hidden recording equipment, or in taping a conversation the taper wouldn't be privy to in the ordinary course of affairs. If Riccio was in the room with the other people, wouldn't he be privy to coversation and thus legally able to tape it?

Re the victim/heart attack: Would Nevada law allow criminal charges to be filed if it proved that the events brought on the heart attack? (Another case on this board involves an elderly woman who died of a heart attack during the commission of a carjacking, see Children Charged as Adults.) Even if criminal charges aren't brought, could Simpson and the others be charged in another wrongful death suit (assuming the victim dies)?


according to the info found and posted it is not legal to record with hand held device, person to person conversations especially when one can hear the conversation without the concent of all being recorded.

Th heart attack guy agreed to be involved in selling goods that he knew were stolen seem to me any results of this action is on him. Anyway he was giving medic interviews for a day or two before he got sick.

I believe oj was hiding HIS goods from fred. but according to the CA judges decision a few days ago, the judge ruled against fred having a blanket court approval to take oj property. I think now after trial fred has a chance of geting the stuff. But then what is to keep oj now from signing more footballls
and jerseys and having them sold.
One guy said oj had promised to sign 200 of the current fred goldman book
as this guy thought they could make a good profit from them.

For me it is really kinda early to know any truth as these people are trying to save their own necks and who kows who is telling the truth. I am thinking oj may be overcharged. The whole thing took only a few minutes as i understand
and when they left the two were able to leave. BUt they immediately got on the phone and started calling tabs to sell the story.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Over confidence may be a great downfall, :) .

I think a fair jury will depend on media reports about the case before trial.
So far it has been jump on oj.

martin II

[weezer]

I have to admit I'm pretty confused about a lot of these issues; maybe I can be on the jury?? Oops, sorry, wrong state.

Some questions though. Regarding the alledged event itself: Simpson stated that he didn't call the police because it "didn't work for him." Were the items covered under the Goldman settlement? If he had brought in the police, would they have been siezed and reverted to the Goldman family? IMO, this speaks to motive.

Re being set up: Some are implying that Riccio "set up" Simpson. If one enters into a criminal enterprise does it matter why they did it? If my neighbor steals my lawnmower, can I go into his garage, threaten him, and take it back without violating the law myself?

Re the taping: As I read the link, it seemed pretty specific that it involved taping phone conversations without consent or in using hidden recording equipment, or in taping a conversation the taper wouldn't be privy to in the ordinary course of affairs. If Riccio was in the room with the other people, wouldn't he be privy to coversation and thus legally able to tape it?

Re the victim/heart attack: Would Nevada law allow criminal charges to be filed if it proved that the events brought on the heart attack? (Another case on this board involves an elderly woman who died of a heart attack during the commission of a carjacking, see Children Charged as Adults.) Even if criminal charges aren't brought, could Simpson and the others be charged in another wrongful death suit (assuming the victim dies)?

re the heart attack victim: I listened to a discussion on this and the attorneys seem to agree that because of the time between the event and the heart attack, it would be difficult to determine nexus.

[tv]

Over confidence may be a great downfall, :) .Hello, William. I said confident not overconfident. :) Is it your opinion that he should have bench trial?

[weezer]

6th co-defendant surrenders in O.J. Simpson armed robbery case in Las Vegas

[martin II]

Does anyone know who opened the hotel room door to allow these people to come in?

martin II

[tv]

I think a fair jury will depend on media reports about the case before trial.
So far it has been jump on oj.

martin IIThere was a media circus before the criminal trial and he did pretty good in that one. ;)

[Heyes]

Hayes
Normally i would not respond but i will this time.
As usual you are off the road. so to speak.
Sounds like you are willing to ignore the Laws of Navada to see someone convicted that you personally don't like. I believe upholding the law of Navada is for more important than you or anyone else having their way.
The laws, most time help society where as y------------
imo
martin II

speaking of off the road..... during your last sentence you seemed to have driven right off a cliff, care to finish your thought?

[martin II]

speaking of off the road..... during your last sentence you seemed to have driven right off a cliff, care to finish your thought?

It was not a accident.
I did not intend to give the impresion that i would be posting back and forth with you.

martin II

[martin II]

There was a media circus before the criminal trial and he did pretty good in that one. ;)

except for the case in the community where there were about 80% white people and about 3-4 % black.
hopefully the media will not poisin the jury pool.

martin II

[tv]

except for the case in the community where there were about 80% white people and about 3-4 % black.
hopefully the media will not poisin the jury pool.

martin IIThat sounds like a jury of his peers to me.

[martin II]

That sounds like a jury of his peers to me.

it may to you.

martin II

[tv]

it may to you.

martin IIThere's more to being a peer than race.

[socaldiva]

It was not a accident.
I did not intend to give the impresion that i would be posting back and forth with you.

martin II

So you stopped posting abruptly, before your post was finished? That's funny :tongue:

[martin II]

There's more to being a peer than race.

i think simular culture is a basic starding place. Oj may have had that white girl for his wife and he may have been able to afford a brentwood house but he came from and was of a different culture than those white people in Santa Monica.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
but he came from and was of a different culture than those white people in Santa Monica.

martin II

Then why did he surround himself with white people? Even his Niece that wrote the book said that about him IIRC. :shrug:

btw: I don't recall Orenthal ever dating a black woman either

[weezer]

i think simular culture is a basic starding place. Oj may have had that white girl for his wife and he may have been able to afford a brentwood house but he came from and was of a different culture than those white people in Santa Monica.

martin II

actually, you may be right. Well, except for the sleeping around and drugs. But I don't remember hearing about anyone else butchering two people like he did. :shrug:

[martin II]

actually, you may be right. Well, except for the sleeping around and drugs. But I don't remember hearing about anyone else butchering two people like he did. :shrug:

Are you kidding?
People are killed by all kinds of means every day in every state.

well since you bring it up , both were reported to have used drugs and we know both were very busy with other partners.

would you have any comment as to why the Phil Spectror case as horrible as it was, did not get the media coverage 24/7 as the oj criminal trial did.
IMO
MARTIN ii

[tv]

Are you kidding?
People are killed by all kinds of means every day in every state.

well since you bring it up , both were reported to have used drugs and we know both were very busy with other partners.

would you have any comment as to why the Phil Spectror case as horrible as it was, did not get the media coverage 24/7 as the oj criminal trial did.
IMO
MARTIN iimartin, I realize you asked weezer this question but I'll throw in my two cents. Phil Spector isn't the beloved sports hero and American icon that OJ Simpson was. The murders were a whodunit at first (and still is for some) and had all the elements that intrigue people -- sex, money, murder, celebrity and a familiar face. Observers developed strong feelings for and against Simpson being guilty and it carries over to this day especially with this newest case in the news. The trial was televised and lasted so long people started to feel like they actually knew the players.

On the other hand, Phil Spector is kind of a creepy guy that most people don't find sympathetic. IMO, there aren't nearly as many twists and turns as in the OJ Simpson case. There are also a lot of fascinating legal issues surrounding the case. It keeps people interested.

[WarmNCozy]

actually, you may be right. Well, except for the sleeping around and drugs. But I don't remember hearing about anyone else butchering two people like he did. :shrug:

You feel OJ as a murderer. There are those of us that don't. This board is for pro/con.

It is not for insulting people who do not agree with you!

I don't know how Martin tolerates all the jabs and insults on a daily basis because his opinions differ from yours!

[socaldiva]

*snip*
It is not for insulting people who do not agree with you!

I don't know how Martin tolerates all the jabs and insults on a daily basis because his opinions differ from yours!

Who said it was insulting to disagree? It certainly wasn't mentioned in the post you are responding to. You seem to come here daily & make unprovoked personal remarks about posters. Please stop & keep to the topic.:no:

[martin II]

martin, I realize you asked weezer this question but I'll throw in my two cents. Phil Spector isn't the beloved sports hero and American icon that OJ Simpson was. The murders were a whodunit at first (and still is for some) and had all the elements that intrigue people -- sex, money, murder, celebrity and a familiar face. Observers developed strong feelings for and against Simpson being guilty and it carries over to this day especially with this newest case in the news. The trial was televised and lasted so long people started to feel like they actually knew the players.

On the other hand, Phil Spector is kind of a creepy guy that most people don't find sympathetic. IMO, there aren't nearly as many twists and turns as in the OJ Simpson case. There are also a lot of fascinating legal issues surrounding the case. It keeps people interested.

It is better that you respond.
phil spector is a big time famous music celebrity. Big house, Lots of money. kown for partying with young pretty women. He came home with one and he is accused to putting a gun in her mouth and pulling the trigger. For her maby more terrifying a death than Nicoles.

The differance is that in the oj case it was a black guy accused of killing a blond blue eyed white girl. That was not acceptable. Spectors case was white on white.
The media decided that the case that involved race could be sold to the public for interestr and more money.imo
Look at how after 12 years everyone is comming out of the woodwork
to be involved in a simple what is called armed robery in Los Vegas no less.

The media is driving the case.
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

You feel OJ as a murderer. There are those of us that don't. This board is for pro/con.

It is not for insulting people who do not agree with you!

I don't know how Martin tolerates all the jabs and insults on a daily basis because his opinions differ from yours!
:beer: :beer:

[Levi]

i think the idea that oj was set up has come from other people that were in the room. Not oj and not his defense. Is that right?

Ps beaseley (sp) ( one of the guys selling the goods) was arrested on a outstand LA warrant yesterday.He is to be sent there today/soon.

martin II
Well they do business and associate themselves with a scum bag (O.J.) So it doesn't shock me that they are also scum bags. Scum tend to associate and hang out with each other...

[socaldiva]

Orenthal called the police on Prody, wanting to get her into rehab & then later says it wasn't about him or his girlfriend & she claims the same :confused: (old news, but the video report is from today)

Looks like Prody doesn't believe in his innocence either. I wonder how the poor girl sleeps at night :(

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=4182012&ch=49799&src=news

[tv]

Orenthal called the police on Prody, wanting to get her into rehab & then later says it wasn't about him or his girlfriend & she claims the same :confused: (old news, but the video report is from today)

Looks like Prody doesn't believe in his innocence either. I wonder how the poor girl sleeps at night :(

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=4182012&ch=49799&src=newsShe made it clear she thinks he's guilty. I guess she's sleeping with one eye open. :eek:

[martin II]

She made it clear she thinks he's guilty. I guess she's sleeping with one eye open. :eek:

So Purdy needs to be what some call bashed. hahaha

martin II

[martin II]

Well they do business and associate themselves with a scum bag (O.J.) So it doesn't shock me that they are also scum bags. Scum tend to associate and hang out with each other...

Sounds like you may be describing the guys that started the Iraq war not oj.

martin II

[weezer]

Are you kidding?
People are killed by all kinds of means every day in every state.

well since you bring it up , both were reported to have used drugs and we know both were very busy with other partners.

would you have any comment as to why the Phil Spectror case as horrible as it was, did not get the media coverage 24/7 as the oj criminal trial did.
IMO
MARTIN ii

you stipulated the people in the community where orenthal and Nicole lived and I posted that we had heard about drug use and infidelity but only orenthal gets credit for a double murder.

we know that orenthal was busy with other partners and we know that on the night he murdered two human beings, he had drugs in his system -- not Nicole and not Ron -- just orenthal.

I would think the difference in reaction is the personality/visibility of the individuals who committed the crimes. imo

[Levi]

Sounds like you may be describing the guys that started the Iraq war not oj.

martin II
What does that have to do with anything? I am describing a man who slaughtered two people, has road rage and attacked an innocent camera man and terrorized his daughter so much that she called 911.

What was the point of that? Other than showing you are changing the topic and showing you are a far radical left winger.

[Suzee10]

Did anyone see that woman that is apparently O.J.'s girl friend? (Who the hell would want him?) she was obviously trying to look like Nicole Brown... She couldn't pull it off. She looked like a trashy skank. Very disgusting.

I bet she is the type who write death row inmates and buy the finger nail clippings of serial killers in prisons... ::barf::



I have to agree Levi she does look a bit rough around the edges. I guess that comes with living a murderer.

[Heyes]

It was not a accident.
I did not intend to give the impresion that i would be posting back and forth with you.

martin II

Ahh, but you are! lol


He likes me, he really likes me!
:biggrin:

[martin II]

What does that have to do with anything? I am describing a man who slaughtered two people, has road rage and attacked an innocent camera man and terrorized his daughter so much that she called 911.

What was the point of that? Other than showing you are changing the topic and showing you are a far radical left winger.

AND YOU ARE?

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

She made it clear she thinks he's guilty. I guess she's sleeping with one eye open. :eek:

"Nicole Tried to cheat on oj"

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."



http://www.nypost.com/seven/09222007...ix/pagesix.htm

[tv]

So Purdy needs to be what some call bashed. hahaha

martin IIWhat I posted didn't bash Prody. She clearly said she thinks Simpson's guilty. hahaha

[tv]

"Nicole Tried to cheat on oj"

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."



http://www.nypost.com/seven/09222007...ix/pagesix.htmThis has to do with what? :shrug:

[weezer]

"Nicole Tried to cheat on oj"

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."



http://www.nypost.com/seven/09222007...ix/pagesix.htm

your link doesn't work -- who is woods?

[Levi]

AND YOU ARE?

MARTIN ii

Are you drunk?

[socaldiva]

This has to do with what? :shrug:

It looks to me like he's just trying to put the negative focus back on Nicole. :shrug:

[martin II]

your link doesn't work -- who is woods?

sorry. see site address at end of article.
it is working for me.

james woods popular actor.

NICOLE TRIED CHEATING ON O.J.September 22, 2007 -- JAMES Woods says Nicole Brown Simpson wanted to have an affair with him behind O.J. Simpson's back and that the couple once seemed to invite him to be part of a threesome.

The skirt-chasing "Shark" star told Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show" he started getting weird vibes from the couple when Simpson invited him to dinner years before Nicole was savagely murdered.

As they sat in a fancy restaurant in Palm Springs and Simpson got into a conversation with Nicole's sister Denise Brown, Nicole began eyeing Woods. "[She was] this curvy, gorgeous blonde . . . and she starts talking to me, and everything is about how she is really not happy with her marriage. I'm going through a divorce at the time, and I'm taking the bait. I guess I'm kind of being set up," Woods recalled.

Later, when he got back to his hotel, Woods said O.J. and Nicole, looking cozy, walked by his room and invited him for a "late-night nightcap" in their suite. "It was very odd," he told Ferguson. "About four days later, I get at my house a letter from her, 'Dear Jimmy,' with a little heart where the 'i" is, [saying] 'O.J. is out of town, maybe you would like to get together.' [I thought], this can't be possible."

Meanwhile, Simpson's recent armed robbery bust in Las Vegas has revealed the extent of the business that has developed over his signed sports memorabilia. While O.J. claims he was simply re-taking possession of collectibles that were rightfully his, the hotel room confrontation sounds more like a scene from "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre," the classic tale of gold and greed consuming partners who end up killing each other.

Celia Farber, who wrote about "O.J. Incorporated" for Rolling Stone in 2000, reports Simpson had been selling his signature through agent Mike Gilbert since 1989, but the market really took off five years later after the double murder of Nicole and Ron Goldman, when Simpson's autograph quadrupled in value.

Gilbert would sneak items into the courthouse, past the media hordes outside. "We just kept signing . . . for the entire 16 months that O.J. was incarcerated . . . while they were delivering the verdict, we were still signing," Gilbert told Farber.

www.nypost.com

go to "page six" section top see his picture

[martin II]

What I posted didn't bash Prody. She clearly said she thinks Simpson's guilty. hahaha

clearly she di not say anythin near that last night in the video of her in that car. THAT IS FOR SURE.

hahaha

martin II

[socaldiva]

clearly she di not say anythin near that last even in the video of her in that car. THAT IS FOR SURE.

hahaha

martin II


She said he confessed the murders to her & sold her story to the National Enquirer. hahahhaha

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3628369&page=1

The link also says that she sat next to Simpson on the plane back from Vegas reading a murder mystery. How's that for nerves of steel? Sitting next to a double murderer, reading about murder.

[martin II]

This has to do with what? :shrug:

it is in response to you indicating that it was only oj that was doing the cheating. I was reading the paper and saw this large article with big bold headlines. it could not be missed.
Oj was out of towm on business making money for his family a lot.hhmmmmmm

martin II

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clearly she di not say anythin near that last even in the video of her in that car. THAT IS FOR SURE.

hahaha

martin IIShe didn't say he was innocent of killing Ron and Nicole in the video in the care. hahaha