What exactly was Scott's job

[Lavindar]

Did he sell directly to farmers or did he sell to distributors who in turn sold to farmers? Most suppliers sell to a distributor, not directly to the farmer. I was never clear on what his job was in that respect. Was he dealing with farm supply stores, or directly with the individual farmer? Either way, cutting himself on machinery is a long shot,

[Luke Davis]

Did he sell directly to farmers or did he sell to distributors who in turn sold to farmers? Most suppliers sell to a distributor, not directly to the farmer. I was never clear on what his job was in that respect. Was he dealing with farm supply stores, or directly with the individual farmer? Either way, cutting himself on machinery is a long shot,He worked with farmers and attended trade shows where he would demonstrate equipment. He was the California-Arizona sales representative for Tradecorp a Spanish company.

More Information (http://www.findlaci2003.us/scott-tradecorp.html)

[One2Snoop]

Tradecorp (Trade Corporation International) Scott Peterson's former employer, which according to his stated income on his 2002 tax return, was paying him an annual salary of $66,000 (according to Gary Nienhuis, family income of $3,694 per month after taxes) to manage Tradecorp USA; chemical fertilizer company based in Madrid, Spain; daughter company of Sapec; according to the Modesto Bee, marketers of premium fertilizers and minerals (15 percent to 25 percent more expensive than the average retail price for similar products, and including acids, iron, boron and other materials) targeting the horticulture, fruit tree and citrus segments; according to the Modesto Bee, a company that exports to 30 countries, with top markets in South Africa, France, Chile and Turkey, but which has little presence in California: "Few dealers carry the products, and those that do not said they have shown little interest in adding them"; according to Lee Peterson in a March 7, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle article, company for which Scott Peterson "sold irrigation systems along with fertilizer and chemical nutrients and the units to disperse them" mostly to "big farms and flower growers, primarily in California, Arizona and New Mexico"; according to a June 25, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle article, "based in South America"; also referred to as "Trade Corp" and "TradeCorp"; see also Tradecorp USA; web site:

http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what2.htm#family

[frydaddy]

Did he sell directly to farmers or did he sell to distributors who in turn sold to farmers? Most suppliers sell to a distributor, not directly to the farmer. I was never clear on what his job was in that respect. Was he dealing with farm supply stores, or directly with the individual farmer? Either way, cutting himself on machinery is a long shot,

Agribusiness - Bakersfield
Agricultural Supply - Escandido
American Cartage Inc. - Fresno
Beardsley & Son - Oxnard
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Stockton
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Coalinga
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Santa Maria
Buttonwillow Warehouse Company - Bakersfield
Interfarm - Madera
Kerr Norton (Mehdi Hejazi) - Long Beach
Kerr Norton Strachan Agency - Long Beach
Pacific Century Customs Service Inc. - Los Angeles
Valley Farm Supply - Santa Maria
Big W Sales - Fresno

Evening Lav! Here's a list of customers and other work related businesses Scott had dealings with in December and early January, if you want to research the types of businesses he dealt with. Hope it helps, along with the good info provided by the good people! ;)

[Lavindar]

Tradecorp (Trade Corporation International) Scott Peterson's former employer, which according to his stated income on his 2002 tax return, was paying him an annual salary of $66,000 (according to Gary Nienhuis, family income of $3,694 per month after taxes) to manage Tradecorp USA; chemical fertilizer company based in Madrid, Spain; daughter company of Sapec; according to the Modesto Bee, marketers of premium fertilizers and minerals (15 percent to 25 percent more expensive than the average retail price for similar products, and including acids, iron, boron and other materials) targeting the horticulture, fruit tree and citrus segments; according to the Modesto Bee, a company that exports to 30 countries, with top markets in South Africa, France, Chile and Turkey, but which has little presence in California: "Few dealers carry the products, and those that do not said they have shown little interest in adding them"; according to Lee Peterson in a March 7, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle article, company for which Scott Peterson "sold irrigation systems along with fertilizer and chemical nutrients and the units to disperse them" mostly to "big farms and flower growers, primarily in California, Arizona and New Mexico"; according to a June 25, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle article, "based in South America"; also referred to as "Trade Corp" and "TradeCorp"; see also Tradecorp USA; web site:

http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what2.htm#family

This information seems to assume that he sold to dealers. Luke said he sold to individual farmers. There's a world of difference there. That's why I am confused. Big farm are usually corporately owned (according to the CA GEography class I took in college). The individual farmer is a dying breed. in CA where agriculture is BIG BUSINESS>

[One2Snoop]

This information seems to assume that he sold to dealers. Luke said he sold to individual farmers. There's a world of difference there. That's why I am confused. Big farm are usually corporately owned (according to the CA GEography class I took in college). The individual farmer is a dying breed. in CA where agriculture is BIG BUSINESS>


Maybe not to individual farmers but are big farms and flower growers considered dealers? :confused: IMO, I wouldn't think so. :shrug:
"sold irrigation systems along with fertilizer and chemical nutrients and the units to disperse them" mostly to "big farms and flower growers, primarily in California, Arizona and New Mexico";

[Luke Davis]

While his ultimate customer is the farmer, Peterson
spends more time in his car and in offices than he does on farms. His role is
to convince fertilizer dealers that they need to carry the products.Link (http://www.findlaci2003.us/scott-tradecorp.html)

I think his role on the farm was mostly in demonstrating.

[Cadillakin]

This information seems to assume that he sold to dealers. Luke said he sold to individual farmers. There's a world of difference there. That's why I am confused. Big farm are usually corporately owned (according to the CA GEography class I took in college). The individual farmer is a dying breed. in CA where agriculture is BIG BUSINESS>That's right. A part of my family are long-time farmers in the Modesto area. It's very tough to turn a consistent profit. Therefore, family farmers are notoriously thrifty... and Scott's chemicals were said to be high priced. So, I doubt he got any business to speak of from family farming operations.

[Luke Davis]

That's right, a part of my family are long-time farmers in the Modesto area. It's very tough to turn a consistent profit. Therefore, family farmers are notoriously thrifty... and Scott's chemicals were said to be high priced. So, I doubt he got any business to speak of from family farming operations.Do salesmen ever come to the farm to demonstrate products/equipment?

[Lavindar]

That's right, a part of my family are long-time farmers in the Modesto area. It's very tough to turn a consistent profit. Therefore, family farmers are notoriously thrifty... and Scott's chemicals were said to be high priced. So, I doubt he got any business to speak of from family farming operations.

LOL Cadi. I noticed that none of the places you listed were in Modesto. I don't think Scott worked real hard at anything he did. IIRC Rob Weaver was in charge of the southern part of the valley

Rob Weaver Tradecorp territory sales representative for Coastal and Central California; second employee hired by Scott Peterson at Tradecorp USA; hired by Scott Peterson in mid-November 2002

Given the list, only Stockton would be out of Weaver's territory. Sounds like Weaver was doing a bang up job. My opinion is that Scott spent a lot of time "playing" at work.

[Cadillakin]

LOL Cadi. I noticed that none of the places you listed were in Modesto. I don't think Scott worked real hard at anything he did. IIRC Rob Weaver was in charge of the southern part of the valley

Rob Weaver Tradecorp territory sales representative for Coastal and Central California; second employee hired by Scott Peterson at Tradecorp USA; hired by Scott Peterson in mid-November 2002

Given the list, only Stockton would be out of Weaver's territory. Sounds like Weaver was doing a bang up job. My opinion is that Scott spent a lot of time "playing" at work.Credit to Frydaddy for the list. Yeah, I'm in complete agreement. I doubt Scott really worked at his job.. probably spent all day looking for girlfriends..

[I'mSun]

Here (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/****Salesman3.jpg) is a link to his "business" card.

[PsychNurse;~)]

Here (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/****Salesman3.jpg) is a link to his "business" card.

link doesn't work; just goes to photobucket.

~~cyn~~

[Cadillakin]

Do salesmen ever come to the farm to demonstrate products/equipment?It's very unlikely that a farmer would actually break up his routine to allow a salesman time to sell his wares.

Remember, to a family farmer, the land is part of his "home". So, reason that they would let Scott on their property to demonstrate and sell to them as often as you let the vacuum salesman inside your house to demonstrate and sell to you.

[Luke Davis]

It's very unlikely that a farmer would actually break up his routine to allow a salesman time to sell his wares.

Remember, to a family farmer, the land is part of his "home". So, reason that they would let Scott on their property to demonstrate and sell to them as often as you let the vacuum salesman inside your house to demonstrate and sell to you.

I know the feeling. I always dread salespeople dropping by, but sometimes I invite them when I am looking to buy new equipment and the local dealer does not always have the expertise of the company guy.

[onthefence]

This information seems to assume that he sold to dealers. Luke said he sold to individual farmers. There's a world of difference there. That's why I am confused. Big farm are usually corporately owned (according to the CA GEography class I took in college). The individual farmer is a dying breed. in CA where agriculture is BIG BUSINESS>

company for which Scott Peterson "sold irrigation systems along with fertilizer and chemical nutrients and the units to disperse them" mostly to "big farms and flower growers, primarily in California, Arizona and New Mexico";

There is a world of difference between larger corporate farms and individual farms themselves, but, how does the size or ownership significantly change the nature of Scott's duties and responsibilties as a salesman of fertlizer and fertilizer equipment, for a company with maybe 2 or 3 employees in California ? Even if a farm is corporately owned, you have to call on the farm/flower grower/sell and demonstrate to a person representing the farm.
I work for a huge company that is comprised of different Business Units/"farms" and most vendors that are selling equipment or services related to the field business, go directly to the "field office" (simiilar to going out to a farm-large or small).

[onthefence]

It's very unlikely that a farmer would actually break up his routine to allow a salesman time to sell his wares.

Remember, to a family farmer, the land is part of his "home". So, reason that they would let Scott on their property to demonstrate and sell to them as often as you let the vacuum salesman inside your house to demonstrate and sell to you.

My husband grew up on a large family owned dairy farm. His uncles and brothers still run it. They have vendors/salesman come out to the house fairly often. They do not drop in/interrupt unannounced to "sell their wares".
They call and set up a time to come out and talk to dad, grandfather, uncles etc.., they bring equipment, different products to treat different problems, whatever, show them how to use it, leave for them to try for a few days, etc......It didn't sound like Scott was a door to door salesman?

[I'mSun]

link doesn't work; just goes to photobucket.

~~cyn~~Oops. Sorry. Now it works and here (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/Salesman3.jpg) is the link to Scott's business card.

[frydaddy]

Oops. Sorry. Now it works and here (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/Salesman3.jpg) is the link to Scott's business card.

LMAO!!! :D

[Luke Davis]

Did Laci's Dad buy Scott's fertilizer?

[frydaddy]

Did Laci's Dad buy Scott's fertilizer?

Apparently...he let Laci marry him, didn't he?

:biggrin:

[Luke Davis]

Apparently...he let Laci marry him, didn't he?

:biggrin:I don't know that he had veto power. All through the case, I got the idea Laci's Dad didn't ever care for Scott.:shrug:

[frydaddy]

I don't know that he had veto power. All through the case, I got the idea Laci's Dad didn't ever care for Scott.:shrug:


You make a great point here Luke! Thus...I'd like to amend my reply to...

Apparently not...he obviously knew Scott was a POS that he had no use for!

[Luke Davis]

You make a great point here Luke! Thus...I'd like to amend my reply to...

Apparently not...he obviously knew Scott was a POS that he had no use for!Just wondering if Dennis maybe helped Scott out in the agriculture community. As I remember he was friends with the Gallos and some other wheeler dealers.

[Lavindar]

Did Laci's Dad buy Scott's fertilizer?

I doubt it. The Rocha family is more known for dairy farming, not crop farming

[Lavindar]

Apparently...he let Laci marry him, didn't he?

:biggrin:


But he was never happy about it according to family sources

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Agribusiness - Bakersfield
Agricultural Supply - Escandido
American Cartage Inc. - Fresno
Beardsley & Son - Oxnard
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Stockton
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Coalinga
Britz Fertilizers Inc. - Santa Maria
Buttonwillow Warehouse Company - Bakersfield
Interfarm - Madera
Kerr Norton (Mehdi Hejazi) - Long Beach
Kerr Norton Strachan Agency - Long Beach
Pacific Century Customs Service Inc. - Los Angeles
Valley Farm Supply - Santa Maria
Big W Sales - Fresno

Evening Lav! Here's a list of customers and other work related businesses Scott had dealings with in December and early January, if you want to research the types of businesses he dealt with. Hope it helps, along with the good info provided by the good people! ;)

Nice list frydaddy!

imo

[onthefence]

But he was never happy about it according to family sources

Link please. :shrug:

[Lavindar]

Link please. :shrug:
My link is the same one that Spencer and Rachel Cory use - PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE. It comes from a source within the Rocha family who wises to remain anonymous. It might jeopardize his appeal

[JustMyOpinion]

Link please. :shrug:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/17/MNGDLBQMVI1.DTL
SNIP:Laci Peterson's father, Dennis Rocha, told Peterson that he had always found him to be arrogant, condescending and a narcissist. Even though Dennis Rocha had never liked Peterson, he said he accepted his son-in-law because "Laci loved you."
Then he asked a simple question.

"Why didn't you just get a divorce?"

[Luke Davis]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/17/MNGDLBQMVI1.DTL
SNIP:Laci Peterson's father, Dennis Rocha, told Peterson that he had always found him to be arrogant, condescending and a narcissist. Even though Dennis Rocha had never liked Peterson, he said he accepted his son-in-law because "Laci loved you."
Then he asked a simple question.

"Why didn't you just get a divorce?"

A great question for too many cases.

[adnoid]

My link is the same one that Spencer and Rachel Cory use - PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE. It comes from a source within the Rocha family who wises to remain anonymous. It might jeopardize his appeal

Are you crazy? NEVER discuss the "Secret Evidence" we G's have that will keep him in jail on the public boards!!!

[onthefence]

My link is the same one that Spencer and Rachel Cory use - PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE. It comes from a source within the Rocha family who wises to remain anonymous. It might jeopardize his appeal

I re-read your original post and think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying SCOTT was not happy about it. I would agree that it doesn't sound like Dennis was "happy" about it- at least in hindsight. He couldn't even be bothered to show up to the wedding on time. Poor Laci. It doesn't sound like he was a regular part of their lives in recent years either, even though he lived pretty close by.

[TopGunner]

I re-read your original post and think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying SCOTT was not happy about it. I would agree that it doesn't sound like Dennis was "happy" about it- at least in hindsight. He couldn't even be bothered to show up to the wedding on time. Poor Laci. It doesn't sound like he was a regular part of their lives in recent years either, even though he lived pretty close by.


Poor Laci is right. The man that murdered her, her HUSBAND, was at the bar drinking and hitting on woman right before the wedding ceremony. RED FLAG. Oh, right, she didn't know....
:no:

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Poor Laci is right. The man that murdered her, her HUSBAND, was at the bar drinking and hitting on woman right before the wedding ceremony. RED FLAG. Oh, right, she didn't know....
:no:Aren't bad boys attractive?

[Lavindar]

Aren't bad boys attractive?


No!!!! I'm thankful that my SO does not fall into that category.

[Cadillakin]

Aren't bad boys attractive?Some girls certainly think so. I noticed it alot when I was in school. But as they mature into women, they tend to get a little more practical.. and the bad boys lose their luster.

Right girls?

[Luke Davis]

Some girls certainly think so. I noticed it alot when I was in school. But as they mature into women, they tend to get a little more practical.. and the bad boys lose their luster.

Right girls?
Bad boys are like tattoos.

[Chocoholic]

Bad boys are like tattoos.

Yup, even painful surgery to remove the tattoo will still leave a scar.

[Luke Davis]

Yup, even painful surgery to remove the tattoo will still leave a scar.IIRC Laci's former boyfriend was doing 15 years for assaulting a woman. I wonder if SP caught her on the rebound?

Before being a salesman wasn't SP successful at owning a restaurant?

[PsychNurse;~)]

drisp and laci owned and operated 'the shack' together. imo any success was due to laci's motivation and effort more than drisp's.

[TopGunner]

drisp and laci owned and operated 'the shack' together. imo any success was due to laci's motivation and effort more than drisp's.

Good point PN and ITA!!!
:beer:

[onthefence]

Aren't bad boys attractive?


Laci's old boyfriend Kent was a bad boy as well, although different from Scott-but both in jail for violence against woman..................

[onthefence]

drisp and laci owned and operated 'the shack' together. imo any success was due to laci's motivation and effort more than drisp's.

what does anyone really know, other than wild speculation and wishful thinking about the efforts and motivations that were behind the success of 'the shack'? Scott was obviously not without positive qualities (even Sharon Rocha concedes that) or Laci would not have been with him. Conceding that he does/did does not make him less guilty of murdering her.
Based on what I read, he held down at least 2 jobs at once while attending school & owned some kind of business with his dad as well. Both he and Laci sound like they had strong work ethics-and it takes a lot of that to run a restraunt. Based on their work ethic and entreprenurial spirits (both relatively young to start their own business) combined with Scott's business/work experience and Laci with her enthusiasm, sense of style, etc made their business a success, imo.

[onthefence]

Some girls certainly think so. I noticed it alot when I was in school. But as they mature into women, they tend to get a little more practical.. and the bad boys lose their luster.

Right girls?


You sometimes DATE the bad ones (when you are younger) but you MARRY the good guys. Bad boys are cool/mysterious when you are younger, but, lose their luster as you say-either they don't grow up or age well. Ha Ha.

[Lavindar]

IIRC Laci's former boyfriend was doing 15 years for assaulting a woman. I wonder if SP caught her on the rebound?

Before being a salesman wasn't SP successful at owning a restaurant?
He and LACI owned a restaurant. Before that I believe his father bought him a packaging company in the area which he sold to get into the burger joint business. I haven't seen any information on how successful it was tho.

[Lavindar]

what does anyone really know, other than wild speculation and wishful thinking about the efforts and motivations that were behind the success of 'the shack'? Scott was obviously not without positive qualities (even Sharon Rocha concedes that) or Laci would not have been with him. Conceding that he does/did does not make him less guilty of murdering her.
Based on what I read, he held down at least 2 jobs at once while attending school & owned some kind of business with his dad as well. Both he and Laci sound like they had strong work ethics-and it takes a lot of that to run a restraunt. Based on their work ethic and entreprenurial spirits (both relatively young to start their own business) combined with Scott's business/work experience and Laci with her enthusiasm, sense of style, etc made their business a success, imo.

Scott had two PART TIME jobs at DIFFERENT TIMES. That doesn't make him ambitious at all. His dad BOUGHT hiim the business which he sold to guy the Shack. I can't see any great amibtion in anyoen who takes 10 years to graduate from college - that makes him a part-time student. And he didn't even hold down a full time job to go with his part time student status. I think he was more interested in being on the golf course than in getting his education.

[cookiewench]

Scott had two PART TIME jobs at DIFFERENT TIMES. That doesn't make him ambitious at all. His dad BOUGHT hiim the business which he sold to guy the Shack. I can't see any great amibtion in anyoen who takes 10 years to graduate from college - that makes him a part-time student. And he didn't even hold down a full time job to go with his part time student status. I think he was more interested in being on the golf course than in getting his education.


Exactly. His dad gave him a profitable business, which he turned around and sold and invested the money in The Shack.

He then sold The Shack because he wasn't getting enough time off. Anyone who's tried to get a business going knows that you have to be willing to give up a lot of free time if you want to make it work.

The sad part is that when they sold the business, there was apparantly no profit, because they had to borrow money for the down payment on the house.

[Lavindar]

Exactly. His dad gave him a profitable business, which he turned around and sold and invested the money in The Shack.

He then sold The Shack because he wasn't getting enough time off. Anyone who's tried to get a business going knows that you have to be willing to give up a lot of free time if you want to make it work.

The sad part is that when they sold the business, there was apparantly no profit, because they had to borrow money for the down payment on the house.

Given Scott's affinity for the golf course, I believe getting the Shack up and going was too much work for him.

[Luke Davis]

He and LACI owned a restaurant. Before that I believe his father bought him a packaging company in the area which he sold to get into the burger joint business. I haven't seen any information on how successful it was tho.IIRC it was popular and successful but Laci wanted to be closer to her family.

[thinkaboutit]

drisp and laci owned and operated 'the shack' together. imo any success was due to laci's motivation and effort more than drisp's.

I was just wondering what you base this opinion on??

[I'mSun]

Given Scott's affinity for the golf course, I believe getting the Shack up and going was too much work for him.ITA, Lav. Restaurants are a lot of work. There is so much more to running one than most ever think about. Then, too, why would they? We had a restaurant on the waterfront in Oakland and I can tell you we were busy all the time with employees, ordering food, bookwork, new wines, fresh flowers, this, that and the next thing. We rarely went home before 2:00 AM. Owning and running a restaurant isn't a piece of cake, but it can be rewarding and fun!

[frydaddy]

ITA, Lav. Restaurants are a lot of work. There is so much more to running one than most ever think about. Then, too, why would they? We had a restaurant on the waterfront in Oakland and I can tell you we were busy all the time with employees, ordering food, bookwork, new wines, fresh flowers, this, that and the next thing. We rarely went home before 2:00 AM. Owning and running a restaurant isn't a piece of cake, but it can be rewarding and fun!

Yep. For Laci is was a fun and rewarding challenge that took a lot of energy and effort. For Scott, it was a stream of nubile college babes for potential flings.

[Lavindar]

Yep. For Laci is was a fun and rewarding challenge that took a lot of energy and effort. For Scott, it was a stream of nubile college babes for potential flings.

You took the words right out of my computer, frydaddy!!! I couldn't agree with you more.

[TopGunner]

OK, help me out here, this is fuzzy for me, but didn't LP give or set ISP up in his packing business and ISP turned around and sold it to start The Shack, somewhat disappointing LP because he didn't see it coming?

[Lavindar]

OK, help me out here, this is fuzzy for me, but didn't LP give or set ISP up in his packing business and ISP turned around and sold it to start The Shack, somewhat disappointing LP because he didn't see it coming?
Yes, you are correct.

[accordn2me]

You sometimes DATE the bad ones (when you are younger) but you MARRY the good guys. Bad boys are cool/mysterious when you are younger, but, lose their luster as you say-either they don't grow up or age well. Ha Ha.You sometimes MARRY the bad guys. Hopefully, you realize it and divorce them before they MURDER you.

[Luke Davis]

You sometimes MARRY the bad guys. Hopefully, you realize it and divorce them before they MURDER you.
What I don't understand is there are weddings once a month at all the men's prisons, but rarely a marraige at a women's prison.:shrug:

Even without a job, SP is attractive to some.

[I'mSun]

What I don't understand is there are weddings once a month at all the men's prisons, but rarely a marraige at a women's prison.:shrug:

Even without a job, SP is attractive to some.I never thought about that before, but you are right. Yep, some find SP attractive. Heck, some even find Richard Ramirez attractive and one woman married him. It's hard to understand that mindset.

[deputydi]

What I don't understand is there are weddings once a month at all the men's prisons, but rarely a marraige at a women's prison.:shrug:

Even without a job, SP is attractive to some.
Are there really that many desperate women out there?

[Buckethead]

Are there really that many desperate women out there?

It appears so. :eek:

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Are there really that many desperate women out there?
Wish one would join the Crime Library and explain it.

[I'mSun]

Wish one would join the Crime Library and explain it.One already did and it still makes no sense.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

One already did and it still makes no sense.Wish one would join who makes sense.

imo

[TopGunner]

ROFLMAO!

How long was ISP employed by Tradecorp? Didn't his one and only employee quit, so he was a manager of nobody? :biggrin:

[Lavindar]

ROFLMAO!

How long was ISP employed by Tradecorp? Didn't his one and only employee quit, so he was a manager of nobody? :biggrin:


Eric Olson quit. I think Rob Weaver was still working for them. Interesting how Scott fell short on the administrative details of his job - paying for health insurance for his employee, and failing to file payroll tax info. Read Tradecorp's Account's testimony to see how poor an administrator Scott was.

[Heyes]

Eric Olson quit. I think Rob Weaver was still working for them. Interesting how Scott fell short on the administrative details of his job - paying for health insurance for his employee, and failing to file payroll tax info. Read Tradecorp's Account's testimony to see how poor an administrator Scott was.


Which leads me to believe he wasn't exactly the driving force behind the success of the restaurant that he and Laci owned.
I'm just sayin......

[Buckethead]

Wish one would join who makes sense.

imo


Good luck with that.

MOO

[Trixy]

Wish one would join who makes sense.

imo

I wouldn't count on it.

[Luke Davis]

Which leads me to believe he wasn't exactly the driving force behind the success of the restaurant that he and Laci owned.
I'm just sayin......
Maybe he drew the women like flies to fertilizer.

[TN_Profiler]

I find the thread question interesting from the standpoint that I too wondered about the restuarant they owned. Not sure why that (of all topics covered during the trial) stuck out but thanks for the supplemental discussion.

I think the intriguing thing for me was that they owned it at a relatively young age and knowing how fickle the restuarant business I guess I was curious as to how they were able to secure ownership and make it reasonably successful.

On a separate topic I would like to add my 2 cents about the prison weddings: I challenge anyone to find a mentally stable woman who has married a death row inmate. Sorry but it is hard for me to believe a normally adjusted person considers lifers in the penitentiary a viable dating pool. IMO

[TopGunner]

I find the thread question interesting from the standpoint that I too wondered about the restuarant they owned. Not sure why that (of all topics covered during the trial) stuck out but thanks for the supplemental discussion.

I think the intriguing thing for me was that they owned it at a relatively young age and knowing how fickle the restuarant business I guess I was curious as to how they were able to secure ownership and make it reasonably successful.

On a separate topic I would like to add my 2 cents about the prison weddings: I challenge anyone to find a mentally stable woman who has married a death row inmate. Sorry but it is hard for me to believe a normally adjusted person considers lifers in the penitentiary a viable dating pool. IMO

Hey TNP, as a profiler, you'd probably be able to give a better opinion on what kind of woman marry/date death row inmates. I would guess that it's someone with extremely low self worth. To CHOOSE that for yourself (because it IS a choice) is a pretty blatent statement on what one feels about themselves. It's a choice to live in the gutter, IMO. The people on DR are there for a reason, for a really BAD reason...and they're not getting out. I cannot imagine choosing to spend my life on a bus every weekend, committed to someone in a cage who took another(s) life. If it was a member of my family, yes, I would be there for them. But I would not date or marry someone on death row. I'd rather spend that time/money/energy on someone GOOD. Someone that contributes to the world, not contaminates it.

[accordn2me]

<snipped>....committed to someone in a cage who took another(s) life. ..... <snipped>One explanation that I've seen is that some of these women are so damaged from......whatever....that people who are "in a cage," especially in a cage on death row with virtually no chance of ever getting out..... these caged men are relatively safe in such damaged women's minds. :shrug:

[Lavindar]

One explanation that I've seen is that some of these women are so damaged from......whatever....that people who are "in a cage," especially in a cage on death row with virtually no chance of ever getting out..... these caged men are relatively safe in such damaged women's minds. :shrug:

At least they know where their husbands are at night

[deputydi]

At least they know where their husbands are at night

True, but do they know WHAT they are doing?:eek:

[deputydi]

One explanation that I've seen is that some of these women are so damaged from......whatever....that people who are "in a cage," especially in a cage on death row with virtually no chance of ever getting out..... these caged men are relatively safe in such damaged women's minds. :shrug:

I've read/heard similar explanations. The "prison groupies" and "prison wives" have extremely low self confidence and these relationships almost never work once their man is on the outside. For whatever reason, they can't cope with real day to day relationships. Sad, isn't it?

[Lavindar]

I've read/heard similar explanations. The "prison groupies" and "prison wives" have extremely low self confidence and these relationships almost never work once their man is on the outside. For whatever reason, they can't cope with real day to day relationships. Sad, isn't it?
What's sad is that they put such a high price on "having a man" that they will settle for the lowest of the low.

[Luke Davis]

What's sad is that they put such a high price on "having a man" that they will settle for the lowest of the low.
At least, their man, doesn't have to look for a job.

[deputydi]

What's sad is that they put such a high price on "having a man" that they will settle for the lowest of the low.
It actually amazes me that some of these women are actually educated and attractive. Sam Shepard's wife comes to mind. She was not a stupid woman and, IIRC she had money. She met and married him while he was serving a life sentence for murdering his first wife -- they divorced within a few years after his release. She claimed he had abused her ------- DUH. Please tell me what did she expect?

[Buckethead]

True, but do they know WHAT they are doing?:eek:

And with whom? :chicken:

[accordn2me]

It actually amazes me that some of these women are actually educated and attractive. Sam Shepard's wife comes to mind. She was not a stupid woman and, IIRC she had money. She met and married him while he was serving a life sentence for murdering his first wife -- they divorced within a few years after his release. She claimed he had abused her ------- DUH. Please tell me what did she expect?O/T: Was Shepard actually proven innocent?

(not that it matters for what we were discussing)

[JustMyOpinion]

O/T: Was Shepard actually proven innocent?

(not that it matters for what we were discussing)
O/T
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s118522.htm
SNIP:During the civil trial that began two months ago lawyer Terry Gilbert had to prove there was enough evidence to show Sam Shepherd was innocent.

TERRY GILBERT: And this particular statute that we're working with requires us to prove innocence and in a sense it's a foreign concept to the American justice system and it's just very difficult to prove a negative and that's what we were forced to have to do in this case and unfortunately we were not able to prevail.

AGNES CUSACK: Sam Rees Shepherd believes the real killer was Richard Ebelling [phonetic], the family window washer at the time of the murder. Ebelling was later convicted of another murder and confessed to a fellow prisoner that he'd killed Marilyn Shepherd.

He died in gaol in 1998, but in the latest case Prosecutor William Mason said Shepherd killed his wife as their marriage fell apart.

WILLIAM MASON: The powder keg of emotion and conflict exploded and Marilyn was bludgeoned to death by her husband.

AGNES CUSACK: Sam Rees Shepherd says he's determined to fight on to clear his father's name.

SAM REES Shepherd: The Shepherd family may be bloodied but we are unbowed. We have been unbowed for 45 years. We will be unbowed for the rest of time. We know the truth of the situation, posterity will speak for itself in time.

AGNES CUSACK: Eight jurors deliberated for three hours before rejecting the case for wrongful imprisonment in one of America's most notorious murders.
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s118522.htm

[deputydi]

O/T: Was Shepard actually proven innocent?

(not that it matters for what we were discussing)
He was acquitted after the second trial, but, no, he was never proven innocent.

[TN_Profiler]

I actually am aware of the pathology of the women who seek out prison marriages. Attraction is made on the subconscious level and the common characteristic with these women is the formation of male relationships early in life. They are almost always the victim of physical, emotional, or psychological abuse from a prominant male figure. (father, uncle, etc..) They seek a similar relationship and the worse the relationship, the stronger the bond. Without bona fide counseling this pattern persists.

I guess my bewilderment is that they pursue this kind of relationship with the obvious signs of danger, limitations, and constraints. It is truly sad. I shake my head in disbelief that there are hundreds of women who would marry Scott Peterson if given the chance. :shrug:

[deputydi]

I actually am aware of the pathology of the women who seek out prison marriages. Attraction is made on the subconscious level and the common characteristic with these women is the formation of male relationships early in life. They are almost always the victim of physical, emotional, or psychological abuse from a prominant male figure. (father, uncle, etc..) They seek a similar relationship and the worse the relationship, the stronger the bond. Without bona fide counseling this pattern persists.

I guess my bewilderment is that they pursue this kind of relationship with the obvious signs of danger, limitations, and constraints. It is truly sad. I shake my head in disbelief that there are hundreds of women who would marry Scott Peterson if given the chance. :shrug:

I think we may have a few on this board. :shrug:

[TN_Profiler]

Deputy - I wouldn't doubt your assumption. Sadly, it defies logic. Think for a moment the evolution of the relationship that would exist when the person is no longer incarcerated. While locked up the woman is protected in all circumstances but once a violent offender 'hits the streets', all bets are off.

Could you imagine the danger living with Scott Peterson presents? If anyone thinks he is not a threat just review the articles he had in his possession at the time of his arrest. Do you think he wasn't hatching plans for Amber Fry? IMO she was clearly in danger. I believe I have heard her speak about the prospect of becoming victimized by Scott. I don't think her fear was without merit.

It is a totally different scenario now that the curtain has been drawn back and what he is capable of doing is there for everyone to see. He is a dangerous person and will kill those around him. This is now all fact. There are many just like him and any woman who knows this going into a relationship has significantly increased the chances that she will be victimized. He looks normal, talks normal, acts normal and that is what makes him convincing. It's hard not to judge a book by it's cover. If you never knew who he was then it would be hard to see what lurks deep inside. I guess it would be easier if all criminals looked the part but that is far from reality.

Someone earlier pointed out (correctly) that the occurrence of males who seek female prisoners is nearly non-existent. It is a fascinating contrast to say the least.

[accordn2me]

<snipped>Think for a moment the evolution of the relationship that would exist when the person is no longer incarcerated. While locked up the woman is protected in all circumstances but once a violent offender 'hits the streets', all bets are off.The point is, these women are choosing men they are virtually positive will never 'hit the streets.' These guys are on death row for a very good reason, and IMO, these women know it.

<snipped> ... He is a dangerous person and will kill those around him. This is now all fact. There are many just like him and any woman who knows this going into a relationship has significantly increased the chances that she will be victimized.

Respectfully, I disagree because these women know the chances of these guys getting out are virtually nil.

He looks normal, talks normal, acts normal and that is what makes him convincing. It's hard not to judge a book by it's cover.<snipped>Sometimes, it's hard not to judge a book by it's cover. I believe these women know what they are getting. Based on the abuse they've endured, they'd rather have some guy who "looks normal, talks normal, acts normal and..." is convincing...that they are ________________ fill in the blank..........these cons know what each particular abused woman needs to hear. Yet at the same time, somewhere deep inside, she knows she cannot trust anyone even though she so badly needs to.....so she let's herself fall for one that she is virtually certain will never have the freedom to hurt her physically. IMO

[Lavindar]

The point is, these women are choosing men they are virtually positive will never 'hit the streets.' These guys are on death row for a very good reason, and IMO, these women know it.



Respectfully, I disagree because these women know the chances of these guys getting out are virtually nil.

Sometimes, it's hard not to judge a book by it's cover. I believe these women know what they are getting. Based on the abuse they've endured, they'd rather have some guy who "looks normal, talks normal, acts normal and..." is convincing...that they are ________________ fill in the blank..........these cons know what each particular abused woman needs to hear. Yet at the same time, somewhere deep inside, she knows she cannot trust anyone even though she so badly needs to.....so she let's herself fall for one that she is virtually certain will never have the freedom to hurt her physically. IMO


Death Row inmates in CA have a horrible habit of "getting off" death row. Perfect examples are Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Krenwenkle, and Susan Atkins - all four sentenced to death and death commuted when death penalty was overturned. They are all up for parole periodically so it's possible (in theory) for a death row inmate to get out of prison - particularlyl in CA where death penalty seems to jump for legal to illegal and back again.

[Luke Davis]

Death Row inmates in CA have a horrible habit of "getting off" death row. Perfect examples are Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Krenwenkle, and Susan Atkins - all four sentenced to death and death commuted when death penalty was overturned. They are all up for parole periodically so it's possible (in theory) for a death row inmate to get out of prison - particularlyl in CA where death penalty seems to jump for legal to illegal and back again.

Very true. There is another thread about a man who is going to attend a parole hearing for the man who murdered his sister and was sent to DR. It seems so cruel to the victims, the jury and everyone envolved.

[deputydi]

Death Row inmates in CA have a horrible habit of "getting off" death row. Perfect examples are Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Krenwenkle, and Susan Atkins - all four sentenced to death and death commuted when death penalty was overturned. They are all up for parole periodically so it's possible (in theory) for a death row inmate to get out of prison - particularlyl in CA where death penalty seems to jump for legal to illegal and back again.

The examples you give are very different from the situation Scott's in. Shortly after they were convicted and sentenced to death, the Supreme Ct declared the death penalty, as it was written, unconstitutional. Everyone on death row had their sentences commuted to Life. That's why these four periodically get parole hearings. There was NO LWOP in CA at the time. They restructured their guidelines for the DP (some states never did and still don't have a DP clause in their penalty guidelines) and included LWOP. Unfortunately, it wasn't retroactive so the Manson group still gets required parole hearings but I don't think anyone really believes Charles will ever be released. The girls stand a better chance, but their release anytime soon is also doubtful.

Even if Scott has his DP sentence struck down, he'll never see a free day. LWOP means just that.

[Lavindar]

The examples you give are very different from the situation Scott's in. Shortly after they were convicted and sentenced to death, the Supreme Ct declared the death penalty, as it was written, unconstitutional. Everyone on death row had their sentences commuted to Life. That's why these four periodically get parole hearings. There was NO LWOP in CA at the time. They restructured their guidelines for the DP (some states never did and still don't have a DP clause in their penalty guidelines) and included LWOP. Unfortunately, it wasn't retroactive so the Manson group still gets required parole hearings but I don't think anyone really believes Charles will ever be released. The girls stand a better chance, but their release anytime soon is also doubtful.

Even if Scott has his DP sentence struck down, he'll never see a free day. LWOP means just that.

I realize that, but CA is a very fluid state. Things change rapidly. Prisons are full and most people get out in half the time they are committed for. I'm waiting for someone with a LWOP sentence to sue for inhumane treatment. Funny how people forget that what these people sentences their victims to offers them no parole opportunities.

[deputydi]

I realize that, but CA is a very fluid state. Things change rapidly. Prisons are full and most people get out in half the time they are committed for. I'm waiting for someone with a LWOP sentence to sue for inhumane treatment. Funny how people forget that what these people sentences their victims to offers them no parole opportunities.
I can't argue with your point. CA worries me -- especially the 9th circuit. They have made rulings that just leave me scratching my head.

As long as LWOP means just that, I wouldn't have a real problem with them commuting Scott's sentence. As you point out, however, CA is a bit unpredictable and one never can be too sure.

[accordn2me]

Death Row inmates in CA have a horrible habit of "getting off" death row. Perfect examples are Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Krenwenkle, and Susan Atkins - all four sentenced to death and death commuted when death penalty was overturned. They are all up for parole periodically so it's possible (in theory) for a death row inmate to get out of prison - particularlyl in CA where death penalty seems to jump for legal to illegal and back again.Are women marrying prisoners who are "getting off" death row? Not that I'd be surprised, but it would contradict the argument that certain women marry DR prisoners because they feel "safe" that these particular prisoners can't hurt them physically.

[Lavindar]

Are women marrying prisoners who are "getting off" death row? Not that I'd be surprised, but it would contradict the argument that certain women marry DR prisoners because they feel "safe" that these particular prisoners can't hurt them physically.

I am not familiar with any prisoner in CA getting off death row - at least not by the Innocence Project. Only Manson comes to mind and I sure don't see any women jumping up to marry him. Even his followers have deserted him - except for Lynette Fromme and she's also in prison so she can't marry him.

[Lili007]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/17/MNGDLBQMVI1.DTL
SNIP:Laci Peterson's father, Dennis Rocha, told Peterson that he had always found him to be arrogant, condescending and a narcissist. Even though Dennis Rocha had never liked Peterson, he said he accepted his son-in-law because "Laci loved you."
Then he asked a simple question.

"Why didn't you just get a divorce?"

BRAVO!!

Great link, even better question.

I just think he was both a coward, because he wanted his image, the one he tried so hard to build a surface for, and his wallet untouched in the case of a divorce. He lost big on both counts. He's sitting in a cell overlooking the bay where he disposed of his pregnant wife and waiting for his last meal when the time comes.

I will say this again- I don't agree with the DP on principle. But sometimes, very rarely, something so awful happens that I re-think it. i still don't agree with the DP. But I think Scott Peterson did the unthinkable and that he's exactly where he belongs, IMO.

JMO

[accordn2me]

BRAVO!!

Great link, even better question.

I just think he was both a coward, because he wanted his image, the one he tried so hard to build a surface for, and his wallet untouched in the case of a divorce. He lost big on both counts. He's sitting in a cell overlooking the bay where he disposed of his pregnant wife and waiting for his last meal when the time comes.

I will say this again- I don't agree with the DP on principle. But sometimes, very rarely, something so awful happens that I re-think it. i still don't agree with the DP. But I think Scott Peterson did the unthinkable and that he's exactly where he belongs, IMO.

JMOSounds like you're comin' around, Lili! :beer:

You may enjoy the death penalty thread here on CL. I believe I would enjoy reading what you have to say about it. I love Wichita's posts. S/he's right on about everything except convicting a vigilante. That's where our views part ways.