Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 3)

[ortiga]

the way the chapters went i believe IMO this was after she said all those things and soon after the Abrams report where Dompig kind of called her a liar,the start of the book was the day she packed Natalee`s room up to move from Jug`s house


I'm surprised she admitted that day on Abrams. He made her look like a looney toon, IMO. Or should I say she herself made her look unstable and absolutely unreliable.

It would be in line, I would think, to (publicly) apologize for what she did to the Aruba families, especially the PVDS family. I am not............holding my breath.

Did she call off the boycott like the Holloways did? Dave and Robin that is.

IMO

Thanks again for telling us about the book.

[terrysdoor]

I'm surprised she admitted that day on Abrams. He made her look like a looney toon, IMO. Or should I say she herself made her look unstable and absolutely unreliable.

It would be in line, I would think, to (publicly) apologize for what she did to the Aruba families, especially the PVDS family. I am not............holding my breath.

Did she call off the boycott like the Holloways did? Dave and Robin that is.

IMO

Thanks again for telling us about the book.

IMO no she says Dr. Phil called for the boycott not her she said she did not want to hurt the good people of Aruba

[ortiga]

IMO no she says Dr. Phil called for the boycott not her she said she did not want to hurt the good people of Aruba

Of course she didn't want a boycott. She just asked that people not go there. Unfortunately for Miss Beth, there is a video of that event on youtube, IIRC.

Did she explain why she took back the name of her ex-husband before Jug?

IMO

[terrysdoor]

Of course she didn't want a boycott. She just asked that people not go there. Unfortunately for Miss Beth, there is a video of that event on youtube, IIRC.

Did she explain why she took back the name of her ex-husband before Jug?

IMO

no she just said she and Jug were having problems before Natalee went missing that Natalee missing was not the cause of the divorce she also said that she and Jug hardly ever vacationed together

[Heyes]

I'm surprised she admitted that day on Abrams. He made her look like a looney toon, IMO. Or should I say she herself made her look unstable and absolutely unreliable.

It would be in line, I would think, to (publicly) apologize for what she did to the Aruba families, especially the PVDS family. I am not............holding my breath.

Did she call off the boycott like the Holloways did? Dave and Robin that is.

IMO

Thanks again for telling us about the book.

Why would she apologize to the suspect and his family? That's funny.
They did nothing but lie, lie, lie about the SG's, Lie about their alibi, lied just about everything.
Being suspects in a kidnapping rape and murder case, the lying only made joran,the kalpoes, anita and paulus, look guilty.
Notice how when anything happens now the ongoing line is, We don't want to look like aruba!. lol
People will do anything to avoid looking like aruba. I must have read that numerous times today, The bahamas, portugal......
aruba really blew it. they are a laughingstock world wide. Good, they deserve it.
IMO IMO IMO!
Say what you want about Beth but her book is selling like hotcakes, She is successful and admired by many. Even the Beth haters are reading every word. lol
So what's anita doing these days? I bet she's hunched over a computer typing mean things about Beth on a message board somewhere. lmao!
How have jorans sales been lately? lmao! When does his daddy come out with his book? roflmao!!!!!

IMO IMO IMO

[fairmaiden]

Why would she apologize to the suspect and his family? That's funny.
They did nothing but lie, lie, lie about the SG's, Lie about their alibi, lied just about everything.
Being suspects in a kidnapping rape and murder case, the lying only made joran,the kalpoes, anita and paulus, look guilty.
Notice how when anything happens now the ongoing line is, We don't want to look like aruba!. lol
People will do anything to avoid looking like aruba. I must have read that numerous times today, The bahamas, portugal......
aruba really blew it. they are a laughingstock world wide. Good, they deserve it.
IMO IMO IMO!
Say what you want about Beth but her book is selling like hotcakes, She is successful and admired by many. Even the Beth haters are reading every word. lol
So what's anita doing these days? I bet she's hunched over a computer typing mean things about Beth on a message board somewhere. lmao!
How have jorans sales been lately? lmao! When does his daddy come out with his book? roflmao!!!!!

IMO IMO IMO

I find your wording interesting, Heyes . Do you KNOW her book is "selling like hotcakes"?? You say she is "successful" ... successful at WHAT?? Successful at profiting from her daughter's disappearance ?? When you say she is "successful" .... are you relating that to making money ?? Do you mean she has been "successful" in setting herself up in business ??

As far as I know ((and I certainly could be wrong)) .... Anita IS a teacher. Do you REALLY think "she's hunched over a computer typing mean things about Beth" ??

JMO

[Chocoholic]

Anita IS a teacher. Do you REALLY think "she's hunched over a computer typing mean things about Beth" ??

JMO

Anita doesn't strike me as a vindictive person. bht is though, as has been proven over the last year. IMO bitter and vindictive and it didn't start with Natalee's disappearance.

[ortiga]

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Being suspects in a kidnapping rape and murder case, the lying only made joran,the kalpoes, anita and paulus, look guilty.

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IMO IMO IMO

Anita was never a suspect. But you know that.

IMO

[ortiga]

I find your wording interesting, Heyes . Do you KNOW her book is "selling like hotcakes"?? You say she is "successful" ... successful at WHAT?? Successful at profiting from her daughter's disappearance ?? When you say she is "successful" .... are you relating that to making money ?? Do you mean she has been "successful" in setting herself up in business ??

As far as I know ((and I certainly could be wrong)) .... Anita IS a teacher. Do you REALLY think "she's hunched over a computer typing mean things about Beth" ??

JMO

I go with "successful at profiting from her daughter's disappearance."

FM, did you see on a previous post where it is reported from BHTs book that she didn't want a boycott, didn't want to hurt the good people of Aruba?

I guess that was some other woman standing there in hiphuggers next to the governor of Alabama when the boycott was announced.

IMO

[No Nic]

<snipped>

I guess that was some other woman standing there in hiphuggers next to the governor of Alabama when the boycott was announced.

IMO

Was she also wearing a see through blouse? Oh Wait.....that was Anita van der Sloot making her very own fashion statement. Classy. Bwhahahahaha

[fairmaiden]

Was she also wearing a see through blouse? Oh Wait.....that was Anita van der Sloot making her very own fashion statement. Classy. Bwhahahahaha

I'm not sure why it is you can't directly respond to a post, No Nic. Are you saying Beth Holloway was NOT calling for a boycott of Aruba ??

What did ortiga's post have to do with Anita VanderSloot ??

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Anita was never a suspect. But you know that.

IMO

You are correct, ortiga .... she never was a suspect .... PVDS no longer IS a suspect.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

I go with "successful at profiting from her daughter's disappearance."

FM, did you see on a previous post where it is reported from BHTs book that she didn't want a boycott, didn't want to hurt the good people of Aruba?

I guess that was some other woman standing there in hiphuggers next to the governor of Alabama when the boycott was announced.

IMO

It literally makes me shake my head sometimes, ortiga. I'm beginning to wonder if she REMEMBERS the things she says. I wonder if she remembers saying ((para)) .... "All countries should close their borders to these CRIMINALS".

JMO

[ortiga]

I'm not sure why it is you can't directly respond to a post, No Nic. Are you saying Beth Holloway was NOT calling for a boycott of Aruba ??

What did ortiga's post have to do with Anita VanderSloot ??

JMO

That's what I was going to ask but I needed to go do an errand.

It will be amusing to see the spin wherein Beth Hollway did NOT call for nor support a boycott. lol

[ortiga]

It literally makes me shake my head sometimes, ortiga. I'm beginning to wonder if she REMEMBERS the things she says. I wonder if she remembers saying ((para)) .... "All countries should close their borders to these CRIMINALS".

JMO

It's going to be amusing to detail the latest, er, inconsistencies.

If she never called for a boycott, then why doesn't she publicly disassociate herself from it?

Oh, wait, that would be too honest for her. IMO

IMO

I've seen a lot of items paraphrased from the book...all so far against Aruba and in favor of herself. I wonder if she ever speaks about loving Natalee...you know....faith and hope.

[ortiga]

It literally makes me shake my head sometimes, ortiga. I'm beginning to wonder if she REMEMBERS the things she says. I wonder if she remembers saying ((para)) .... "All countries should close their borders to these CRIMINALS".

JMO

"Criminals" was the least of the bile. I hope that LKL or Greta or one of the THs will ask her...."uh, Beth, you know you called JK2 gang rapists and said they took Natalee's life. You claimed that multiple times. What ever happened to that uh tangent? Do you still go to the schools to tell that, uh, version, to our school kids"?

IMO

[SukiJane]

Was she also wearing a see through blouse? Oh Wait.....that was Anita van der Sloot making her very own fashion statement. Classy. Bwhahahahaha

LOL...ain't that the truth. Heck, if Anita is going to wear a see through blouse, good lord, at least wear a pretty bra if you're going for the sexy look, and not the big ole cross your heart playtex granny bra...or perhaps a nice camisole would have been suitable.

jmo

[SukiJane]

You are correct, ortiga .... she never was a suspect .... PVDS no longer IS a suspect.

JMO

Neither is Beth, but that never stopped many folks from scrutinizing everything that came out of her mouth, or commenting on her physical appearance.

jmo

[SukiJane]

It's going to be amusing to detail the latest, er, inconsistencies.

If she never called for a boycott, then why doesn't she publicly disassociate herself from it?

Oh, wait, that would be too honest for her. IMO

IMO

I've seen a lot of items paraphrased from the book...all so far against Aruba and in favor of herself. I wonder if she ever speaks about loving Natalee...you know....faith and hope.

You are giving Beth way too much power. Do you think one woman, her family and a couple of governors is going to sway a nation not to visit Aruba based solely on the personal experience of one family? I think NOT...If Aruba's tourism is hurting it's because people have heard with their own ears, the spin coming out of that country.

jmo

[ortiga]

Neither is Beth, but that never stopped many folks from scrutinizing everything that came out of her mouth, or commenting on her physical appearance.

jmo

The topic was the post that referred to Anita, and PVDS, as suspects.

She never was, he no longer is.

There is nothing wrong with commenting on Beth's (changes in) physical appearance, just as we can discuss any other new development here. The donation money has never been accounted for, so we are free, IMO, to speculate what the money went for, since it didn't appear to go towards searches. IMO

IMO

[SukiJane]

It literally makes me shake my head sometimes, ortiga. I'm beginning to wonder if she REMEMBERS the things she says. I wonder if she remembers saying ((para)) .... "All countries should close their borders to these CRIMINALS".

JMO

I certainly don't want them in our country, we have plenty of low lifes of our own here already. There may not be evidence of a crime according to ALE for whatever that is worth, but they sure are criminals in my mind by intentionally obstructing justice in a missing person case!

jmo

[ortiga]

You are giving Beth way too much power. Do you think one woman, her family and a couple of governors is going to sway a nation not to visit Aruba based solely on the personal experience of one family? I think NOT...If Aruba's tourism is hurting it's because people have heard with their own ears, the spin coming out of that country.

jmo

I was referring to a passage that apparently is in her book, that she was not in favor of a boycott, she didn't want to hurt all the good people of Aruba.

I suggest that the honest thing to do would be to publicly disassociate herself from the boycott. I think a lot of us assumed she was in favor of a boycott when she asked people on international TV not to go to Aruba, when she stood up next to the governor of Alabama when he signed a paper calling for a boycott, and when she appeared on the Dr. Phil show when the boycott was declared by the afternoon entertainment show. :rolleyes:

Since she now apparently is saying that she was not in favor of a boycott, she should publicly explain what she meant when she asked people not to go, and when she appeared with the governor and Phil.
IMO

[SukiJane]

I was referring to a passage that apparently is in her book, that she was not in favor of a boycott, she didn't want to hurt all the good people of Aruba.

I suggest that the honest thing to do would be to publicly disassociate herself from the boycott. I think a lot of us assumed she was in favor of a boycott when she asked people on international TV not to go to Aruba, when she stood up next to the governor of Alabama when he signed a paper calling for a boycott, and when she appeared on the Dr. Phil show when the boycott was declared by the afternoon entertainment show. :rolleyes:

Since she now apparently is saying that she was not in favor of a boycott, she should publicly explain what she meant when she asked people not to go, and when she appeared with the governor and Phil.
IMO

Then this discussion is a bit premature in my opinion, since I haven't read the book, and I assume you haven't either and I doubt it's hit the K-Mart blue light special bins yet.

jmo

[terrysdoor]

Then this discussion is a bit premature in my opinion, since I haven't read the book, and I assume you haven't either since I doubt it's hit the K-Mart blue light special bins yet.

jmo

i purchased one at my local "WALMART" 2 days ago

[SukiJane]

i purchased one at my local "WALMART" 2 days ago

I know...as a matter of fact you've peaked my interest to actually buy one, and I did go by a Walmart this morning to purchase it, and when I asked the lady putting books on the shelf if they had it...she said she didn't know anything about the books at walmart she just puts them on the shelf...LOL go figure, this is why I hate Walmart!

jmo

[ortiga]

Then this discussion is a bit premature in my opinion, since I haven't read the book, and I assume you haven't either and I doubt it's hit the K-Mart blue light special bins yet.

jmo


No, the discussion is not premature.

:read:

One of our posters, Terrysdoor, read the book and did post on Beth's words on the boycott, ie that she wasn't in favor of it, didn't want to hurt the good people of Aruba, paraphrased.

Terrysdoor is one of the least biased posters on the board, thanks Terry for posting some of what Beth has declared in the book.

IMO

[terrysdoor]

The topic was the post that referred to Anita, and PVDS, as suspects.

She never was, he no longer is.

There is nothing wrong with commenting on Beth's (changes in) physical appearance, just as we can discuss any other new development here. The donation money has never been accounted for, so we are free, IMO, to speculate what the money went for, since it didn't appear to go towards searches. IMO

IMO

thank you for your kind words ortiga......... Beth did mention some of the funds in her book,she said her mother gave the first $10.000.00 and then the money stared to flow in from donations a lot that came from Aruba,she also said that they got the med jet for around$27,000.00 and that her Aruban attorny fees were $5,000.00 each up front

[ortiga]

thank you for your kind words ortiga......... Beth did mention some of the funds in her book,she said her mother gave the first $10.000.00 and then the money stared to flow in from donations a lot that came from Aruba,she also said that they got the med jet for around$27,000.00 and that her Aruban attorny fees were $5,000.00 each up front

Did she say what the total of the donations were?

[terrysdoor]

Did she say what the total of the donations were?

no she did say the money was gone,she also said that some of the airlines gave some of them free flights and she did mention that after she stated the things about Deepak and Satish`s release the hotel no longer was free and her final bill was $18,000.00

[Grandad]

no she did say the money was gone,she also said that some of the airlines gave some of them free flights and she did mention that after she stated the things about Deepak and Satish`s release the hotel no longer was free and her final bill was $18,000.00

Did she say whether or not she paid the bill?

[terrysdoor]

Did she say whether or not she paid the bill?

yes she said Jug did

[ortiga]

yes she said Jug did

Terry did Beth address Natalee's drinking and behavior in Aruba? Did she mention the jello shots?

[terrysdoor]

Terry did Beth address Natalee's drinking and behavior in Aruba? Did she mention the jello shots?

no she didn`t talk about the days before only that she knew who she was looking for when she landed on the island because she was talking to the MB students the whole flight when she could get a singal

[fairmaiden]

Neither is Beth, but that never stopped many folks from scrutinizing everything that came out of her mouth, or commenting on her physical appearance.

jmo

Suki .... Speaking only for myself .... I could care less about Beth's appearance. You got it right the last time .... I criticize her ACTIONS. If you really think Beth is not worthy of being discussed on this board, then perhaps she should not be elevated to sainthood.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

No, the discussion is not premature.

:read:

One of our posters, Terrysdoor, read the book and did post on Beth's words on the boycott, ie that she wasn't in favor of it, didn't want to hurt the good people of Aruba, paraphrased.

Terrysdoor is one of the least biased posters on the board, thanks Terry for posting some of what Beth has declared in the book.

IMO

I agree with you ortiga. terry IS one of the least biased posters.

The way this book is advertised .... "The TRUTH about the Kidnapping In Aruba" leads one to believe that Beth knows the TRUTH about what happened to her daughter. At least it leads ME to think that. To me, and this is only MY opinion .... this book was written to fill more coffers.

DO we learn the TRUTH about the "kidnapping" in Aruba ??

JMO

[terrysdoor]

I agree with you ortiga. terry IS one of the least biased posters.

The way this book is advertised .... "The TRUTH about the Kidnapping In Aruba" leads one to believe that Beth knows the TRUTH about what happened to her daughter. At least it leads ME to think that. To me, and this is only MY opinion .... this book was written to fill more coffers.

DO we learn the TRUTH about the "kidnapping" in Aruba ??

JMO

Fair that is what i thought too that we were gonna find out some news but it is basically just Beth`s own words of the first ten days and what they experienced in their investigation which the police ask them to stop raiding crack houses Beth had her own tip line in which she answerd "this is Beth what you got"

[ortiga]

Suki .... Speaking only for myself .... I could care less about Beth's appearance. You got it right the last time .... I criticize her ACTIONS. If you really think Beth is not worthy of being discussed on this board, then perhaps she should not be elevated to sainthood.

JMO

Hi Fair, I think mostly we are in agreement, I just don't think appearance should be off-bounds. Especially if the appearance seems to change with increasing media exposure. It doesn't make any difference in trying to figure out what happened to Natalee (not that we're going to do it here anyway!!), but it does give insight to character, IMO. And, if there were a lot of donations with no accounting, it doesn't seem out of line to me to speculate how the money was spent. I don't think it's fair to say someone is ugly, or other value judgements like that, such as when Beth was portrayed in the VF article as saying Joran was sloe-eyed and pimply faced, IIRC, or when NG was making fun of PVDS backside as he sprinted to his car, or when Dave said that the local boys were sleazy looking as they watched the beautiful tourist girls doing the jello shots, but to note a change in appearance....that's just part of the game. There is no disputing the change in Beth's face, and that seems to have been her own choice. Just look at a picture of her in July of 2005, and then the latest one of her appearance on the psychic show.

People get fatter....others notice. People get thinner....others notice. People go from wearing high necked blouses to lower cut ones.....people notice. People suddenly have larger lips....people notice (OT have you seen Kurt Cobain's widow lately?)

But I agree with you 100% on the sainthood aspect, no one is perfect and trying to present ANYONE in this case as being perfect is just something that should stay in works of fiction or afternoon soap operas.

IMO

[ortiga]

Into the Deep: The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer (Paperback)

Check this out on Amazon

Goes hand in hand with the other Alabama book....

:rolleyes:

It's being sold cheaper together with Beths literary achievement

[fairmaiden]

Into the Deep: The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer (Paperback)

Check this out on Amazon

Goes hand in hand with the other Alabama book....

:rolleyes:

It's being sold cheaper together with Beths literary achievement

WOW .... "Thoughtprint Decoding" huh ??:rolleyes:

[ortiga]

WOW .... "Thoughtprint Decoding" huh ??:rolleyes:

GM FM,

Ever wonder where he got the emails from? He's from Birmingham.

No proof that the emails are from Deepak either, but you know, jump on the Natalee money wagon. :rolleyes:

[terrysdoor]

Into the Deep: The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer (Paperback)

Check this out on Amazon

Goes hand in hand with the other Alabama book....

:rolleyes:

It's being sold cheaper together with Beths literary achievement

Good morning ortiga...... for some reason i can`t find the book

[ortiga]

Good morning ortiga...... for some reason i can`t find the book


Here it is Terry
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Deep-Hidden-Confession-Natalees/dp/1961725533/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/002-0709571-9697649?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190986330&sr=8-5

Better Together

Buy this book with Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith by Beth Holloway today!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

"Forensic psychiatrist Andrew Hodges utilizes a pioneering method of "thoughtprint decoding" based on the unconscious mind's universal urge to tell the truth. In Kalpoe's email Hodges found a greatly detailed and graphic unconscious confession--the real story of what transpired that dark night on the white, sandy beaches of Aruba.

Decoding Deepak's hidden messages scene by scene, he unlocks a Pandora's Box of sexual seduction, deceit and depravity.

Prepare yourself for shock after shock as you delve Into the Deep to learn what really happened to Natalee Holloway on that awful night in Aruba -- a paradise that suddenly turned into her own personal hell."

[terrysdoor]

Here it is Terry
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Deep-Hidden-Confession-Natalees/dp/1961725533/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/002-0709571-9697649?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190986330&sr=8-5

Better Together

Buy this book with Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith by Beth Holloway today!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

"Forensic psychiatrist Andrew Hodges utilizes a pioneering method of "thoughtprint decoding" based on the unconscious mind's universal urge to tell the truth. In Kalpoe's email Hodges found a greatly detailed and graphic unconscious confession--the real story of what transpired that dark night on the white, sandy beaches of Aruba.

Decoding Deepak's hidden messages scene by scene, he unlocks a Pandora's Box of sexual seduction, deceit and depravity.

Prepare yourself for shock after shock as you delve Into the Deep to learn what really happened to Natalee Holloway on that awful night in Aruba -- a paradise that suddenly turned into her own personal hell."

thanks i really don`t know how to respond lol i wonder if ALE knows about this e mail

[fairmaiden]

GM FM,

Ever wonder where he got the emails from? He's from Birmingham.

No proof that the emails are from Deepak either, but you know, jump on the Natalee money wagon. :rolleyes:

Morning, ortiga ....

I really wonder what's going to come out next !!!!

ETA .... It's amazing to me how much money is being made as a result of Natalee's disappearance.

JMO

[terrysdoor]

Morning, ortiga ....

I really wonder what's going to come out next !!!!

JMO

me too fair..... you know i was under the impression that ALE did not question J2K until ten days after Natalee went missing but in Beth`s book she states that she saw Deepak`s car the very next day at the police station after the late night confrontation at the VDS and this is when she saw Joran`s torn up statement on Dennis Jacobs desk so to that means the boys were being watched very early on

[SukiJane]

Suki .... Speaking only for myself .... I could care less about Beth's appearance. You got it right the last time .... I criticize her ACTIONS. If you really think Beth is not worthy of being discussed on this board, then perhaps she should not be elevated to sainthood.

JMO

No, it's not about elevating Beth to sainthood...I just have a great deal of human compassion for a mother who has lost her child.

[SukiJane]

(snipped)

"this is Beth what you got"

That was a direct quote from the book?

[terrysdoor]

That was a direct quote from the book?

yes she stated that more than once in the book

[SukiJane]

me too fair..... you know i was under the impression that ALE did not question J2K until ten days after Natalee went missing but in Beth`s book she states that she saw Deepak`s car the very next day at the police station after the late night confrontation at the VDS and this is when she saw Joran`s torn up statement on Dennis Jacobs desk so to that means the boys were being watched very early on

Yes they were questioned as witnesses, and they lied as witnesses, some days later they were arrested for reasonable suspicion of kidnap, rape and murder, even at this point Joran was still trying to stick to his story of dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.

jmo

[SukiJane]

yes she stated that more than once in the book

Wow, I can't imagine Beth saying "What you got"....maybe, whatcha got...being southern and all...

I did visit another Walmart last night, still haven't found the book!

[terrysdoor]

Wow, I can't imagine Beth saying "What you got"....maybe, whatcha got...being southern and all...

I did visit another Walmart last night, still haven't found the book!

i am sorry you can`t find it yet and maybe that is how she said but IIRC from the book it was not typed that way IMO

[ortiga]

me too fair..... you know i was under the impression that ALE did not question J2K until ten days after Natalee went missing but in Beth`s book she states that she saw Deepak`s car the very next day at the police station after the late night confrontation at the VDS and this is when she saw Joran`s torn up statement on Dennis Jacobs desk so to that means the boys were being watched very early on

That is what Dompig said all along, they were monitoring the boys, from right at first. So did she say that she was able to put the pieces of Joran's statement together and read it, in Dutch, right there on the spot?

[ortiga]

thanks i really don`t know how to respond lol i wonder if ALE knows about this e mail

It's been all over the internet for 2 years now, but no one knows for sure if Deepak wrote the emails, and they are unremarkable anyway.

[terrysdoor]

That is what Dompig said all along, they were monitoring the boys, from right at first. So did she say that she was able to put the pieces of Joran's statement together and read it, in Dutch, right there on the spot?

she said she saw his name,IIRC she said that she and her attorney meet with atranslator several days later and this is when the statements were read to her and that is where she got the info on the make out session in Deepak`s car also it was Beth telling Anita and Paulus the things he did to Natalee not Anita telling her according to Beth`s book IIRC

[ortiga]

No, it's not about elevating Beth to sainthood...I just have a great deal of human compassion for a mother who has lost her child.

I did too, until she elevated herself to judge and jury and tried to hurt the children of other mothers, without any proof. She should take her grief to her own home and deal with it in a way that is legal and moral. IE with the help of her family. Also I am not in agreement with her making money by lying to school children about "what happened to Natalee", absolutely no compassion there from me. If she wants to spend the rest of her life selling Natalee products that's her decision, but the misleading of the school kids is inexcusable to me.

I do have complete compassion for the parents of the Maddie Mc Cann, they have been railroaded beyond belief, yet they have remained respectful, honorable, and show their class. They have not accused other people of heinous crimes. They, and their daughter, are true victims.

IMO

[Heyes]

Yes they were questioned as witnesses, and they lied as witnesses, some days later they were arrested for reasonable suspicion of kidnap, rape and murder, even at this point Joran was still trying to stick to his story of dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.

jmo

Yup, they were being questioned. They lied of course and then two innocent men were thrown in jail. The ALE did a complete search of their houses and cars. Ah good ole ALE. looks like they will only go in "cowboy" style when it's a SG. IMO I think its a class/race thing IMO,
Hmmmm. lools like no matter what happens in aruba the books are still being written, joran, deepak and satish are still suspects. In most peoples eyes it seems that it is etched in stone who kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee. Many, many of us feel that paulus and anita were involved in either the crime itself or the attempt at cover-up after the fact. IMO
I agree,we don't need anymore murder suspects coming to our country. I would hope if they have the nerve to show up here and try to make it a media event that they have the same experience as before.
I went to Walmart the other day. I was told it would be out on OCT 2. hmmmmmmmm~

[ortiga]

she said she saw his name,IIRC she said that she and her attorney meet with atranslator several days later and this is when the statements were read to her and that is where she got the info on the make out session in Deepak`s car also it was Beth telling Anita and Paulus the things he did to Natalee not Anita telling her according to Beth`s book IIRC

So she has no idea if the torn statement was really from Joran or not. And she has no idea what it said, unless she is claiming she can read Dutch.

That's very interesting. Now we learn that Greta wanted to crawl under the table at the things BETH was saying? lol

Does she elaborate on the statement she has always claimed to HAVE that Joran says he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her, timestamped at 1:40 am?

IMO

[Heyes]

I did too, until she elevated herself to judge and jury and tried to hurt the children of other mothers, without any proof. She should take her grief to her own home and deal with it in a way that is legal and moral. IE with the help of her family. Also I am not in agreement with her making money by lying to school children about "what happened to Natalee", absolutely no compassion there from me. If she wants to spend the rest of her life selling Natalee products that's her decision, but the misleading of the school kids is inexcusable to me.

I do have complete compassion for the parents of the Maddie Mc Cann, they have been railroaded beyond belief, yet they have remained respectful, honorable, and show their class. They have not accused other people of heinous crimes. They, and their daughter, are true victims.

IMO

Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee, so no worries here! She's welcome to tell her story from one end of the U.S. to the other.
We know who the liars are! That would be the suspects and their families.
IMO

[ortiga]

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In most peoples eyes it seems that it is etched in stone who kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee. snipped

There is no proof Natalee was harmed in any way.

[ortiga]

Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee, so no worries here! She's welcome to tell her story from one end of the U.S. to the other.
We know who the liars are! That would be the suspects and their families.
IMO

Beth has been caught in more lies than the suspects. To what do you attribute her lies?

IMO

[Heyes]

LOL...ain't that the truth. Heck, if Anita is going to wear a see through blouse, good lord, at least wear a pretty bra if you're going for the sexy look, and not the big ole cross your heart playtex granny bra...or perhaps a nice camisole would have been suitable.

jmo


LOL
" big ole cross your heart playtex granny bra"! lol lol lol

yeah real class act that one, lol lol

IMO

[Heyes]

There is no proof Natalee was harmed in any way.
In your opinion. Others feel different.
by the looks of things, many, many others.
IMO
Sorry but aruba and joran and the kalpoes will have this hanging over their head for the rest of their lives. Its their own fault with their words and actions. Or lack of action!
IMO

[Heyes]

Beth has been caught in more lies than the suspects. To what do you attribute her lies?

IMO
I disagree!

[SukiJane]

I did too, until she elevated herself to judge and jury and tried to hurt the children of other mothers, without any proof.

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IMO

Yeah, and then doo started hitting the fan when the hotel rooms weren't filling up on Aruba, and something needed to be done to neutralize this....oh my, what to do, what to do...oh wait, we'll discredit the mother and then maybe everyone will forget about the sloppy investigation in this case.

Unfortunately there wasn't any dirt, therefore some needed to be made up...going to the transcripts of many interviews, twisting words around to form new meanings. Or if that doesn't work, just take a transcript and if it doesn't say what you want, let's all say it was edited, which ironically is one of the things many people hate about beth, the manipulated Dr. Phil tape. Funny how that works, huh, accusing Beth of manipulating something, how pathetic and classless of her it was, and then doing the same thing back to her...go figure...LOL

IMO

[terrysdoor]

So she has no idea if the torn statement was really from Joran or not. And she has no idea what it said, unless she is claiming she can read Dutch.

That's very interesting. Now we learn that Greta wanted to crawl under the table at the things BETH was saying? lol

Does she elaborate on the statement she has always claimed to HAVE that Joran says he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her, timestamped at 1:40 am?

IMO

yes Beth said in her book that she told Anita and Paulus what was tranalated to her she even gives details as to what finger (i know very vulgar IMO) he used she also says when she went to Deepak`s work she ask him all about the color of Natalee`s panties and the designs on them

no she don`t elabarate on that statement or any she has IIRC/IMO

[SukiJane]

Beth has been caught in more lies than the suspects. To what do you attribute her lies?

IMO

Get back to us when Beth lies to police and a family about where they last saw a missing person alive, during the MOST crucial time of an investigation. Then we can all be on the same page. Twisting words, and making up stuff doesn't count.

jmo

[ortiga]

Yeah, and then doo started hitting the fan when the hotel rooms weren't filling up on Aruba, and something needed to be done to neutralize this....oh my, what to do, what to do...oh wait, we'll discredit the mother and then maybe everyone will forget about the sloppy investigation in this case.

Unfortunately there wasn't any dirt, therefore some needed to be made up...going to the transcripts of many interviews, twisting words around to form new meanings. Or if that doesn't work, just take a transcript and if it doesn't say what you want, let's all say it was edited, which ironically is one of the things many people hate about beth, the manipulated Dr. Phil tape. Funny how that works, huh, accusing Beth of manipulating something, how pathetic and classless of her it was, and then doing the same thing back to her...go figure...LOL

IMO

lol if Aruba wanted to "discredit" the mother, all they had to do was sit back and watch her discredit herself on TV. :rolleyes:

As much as I try to find new meanings, I can't figure out what else Beth meant when she repeated, ad nauseum, "The only thing we know for sure is that JK2 gangraped my daughter on the Island of Aruba. We just don't know what they did with her when they were through with her". Then, I also can't find any alternative meaning to her statement on TV, that "They took her life". Paraphrased

And then saying that she didn't call for a boycott, only that she wanted people not to go to Aruba.

What do you think she was really trying to say, that was twisted to form new meanings in the above statements?

IMO

[ortiga]

yes Beth said in her book that she told Anita and Paulus what was tranalated to her she even gives details as to what finger (i know very vulgar IMO) he used she also says when she went to Deepak`s work she ask him all about the color of Natalee`s panties and the designs on them
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What finger was used? Asking Deepak about the designs on Natalee's panties? What possible purpose could she have had? Why would she do that? I think that is SICK!!!! IMO

And then to repeat it in a BOOK!! :eek:

IMO OMG

Poor poor Natalee

[SukiJane]

yes Beth said in her book that she told Anita and Paulus what was tranalated to her she even gives details as to what finger (i know very vulgar IMO) he used she also says when she went to Deepak`s work she ask him all about the color of Natalee`s panties and the designs on them

no she don`t elabarate on that statement or any she has IIRC/IMO

So, what was the VDS' response to this information?

[Heyes]

Get back to us when Beth lies to police and a family about where they last saw a missing person alive, during the MOST crucial time of an investigation. Then we can all be on the same page. Twisting words, and making up stuff doesn't count.

jmo

That's what I've been saying.
Get back to us when she's the suspect in her daughters kidnapping, rape and murder.
unbelievable what some will do and say to support murder suspects isn't it?
imo

[terrysdoor]

What finger was used? Asking Deepak about the designs on Natalee's panties? What possible purpose could she have had? Why would she do that? I think that is SICK!!!! IMO

And then to repeat it in a BOOK!!

IMO OMG

yes ortiga she went into detail to Paulus and Anita about what was translated to her and all along i thought it was Anita telling Beth these things IMO

[Heyes]

lol if Aruba wanted to "discredit" the mother, all they had to do was sit back and watch her discredit herself on TV. :rolleyes:

As much as I try to find new meanings, I can't figure out what else Beth meant when she repeated, ad nauseum, "The only thing we know for sure is that JK2 gangraped my daughter on the Island of Aruba. We just don't know what they did with her when they were through with her". Then, I also can't find any alternative meaning to her statement on TV, that "They took her life". Paraphrased

And then saying that she didn't call for a boycott, only that she wanted people not to go to Aruba.

What do you think she was really trying to say, that was twisted to form new meanings in the above statements?

IMO
What did they do with Natalee when they were through with her?
That's the million dollar question right there.
imo

[ortiga]

That's what I've been saying.
Get back to us when she's the suspect in her daughters kidnapping, rape and murder.
unbelievable what some will do and say to support murder suspects isn't it?
imo


Noticing and commenting on Beths lies has nothing to do with supporting a suspect in a possible murder.

That's the point!!!!

Why would she lie so much? What was she trying to hide!!!

IMO

[ortiga]

yes ortiga she went into detail to Paulus and Anita about what was translated to her and all along i thought it was Anita telling Beth these things IMO


It must have been posted incorrectly here, on this board, a hundred times that Anita told such detail about "what Joran did to Natalee" that Greta felt she should crawl under the table.

And it was really Beth relating "sordid" details of what the teens did with each other!!

IMO

ETA I am absolutely stunned that she would repeat things like this in a book, poor Natalee, every now and then I really do believe Natalee just had to get away from this sick woman. IMO

[Heyes]

Noticing and commenting on Beths lies has nothing to do with supporting a suspect in a possible murder.

That's the point!!!!

Why would she lie so much? What was she trying to hide!!!

IMO

I don't agree that Beth "Lies". Nope ain't buying it~
However at least we know why joran and the kalpoes lied so much and what they are covering up.
Kidnapping, rape and murder!
Now where's Natalee's body?
paulus? joran?
IMO

[terrysdoor]

That's what I've been saying.
Get back to us when she's the suspect in her daughters kidnapping, rape and murder.
unbelievable what some will do and say to support murder suspects isn't it?
imo

Heyes i know you have questions about me really reading the book but my local WALMRT here in the Carolinas did have it out and Beth in the book says that a close friend confronted her about some of her actions and that is when she and her friend went on a retreat in Mexico and basically is when she stopped showing up on every tv program at night she also says Harris Faulkner sent her a basket with special oils and soaps that hepled her IIRC/IMO

[ortiga]

Heyes i know you have questions about me really reading the book but my local WALMRT here in the Carolinas did have it out and Beth in the book says that a close friend confronted her about some of her actions and that is when she and her friend went on a retreat in Mexico and basically is when she stopped showing up on every tv program at night she also says Harris Faulkner sent her a basket with special oils and soaps that hepled her IIRC/IMO

That's funny. Harris Faulkner was the one that reported that Beth did not deny seeing photos of Natalee up on the bar as Joran described, ie the jello shot.

[SukiJane]

Noticing and commenting on Beths lies has nothing to do with supporting a suspect in a possible murder.

That's the point!!!!

Why would she lie so much? What was she trying to hide!!!

IMO

So what are you saying...Beth had something to do with Natalee's disappearance? People detest her for making money off her daughter's death, traveling the country telling her story, oh and slandering the good folks such as the VDS', but what is it you think she's hiding?

[ortiga]

Heyes i know you have questions about me really reading the book but my local WALMRT here in the Carolinas did have it out and Beth in the book says that a close friend confronted her about some of her actions and that is when she and her friend went on a retreat in Mexico and basically is when she stopped showing up on every tv program at night she also says Harris Faulkner sent her a basket with special oils and soaps that hepled her IIRC/IMO

Terry it was explained on another board that some books are important enough to have a certain specified release date, where all markets, ie book stores, have to release the book on a certain date. For instance that of Greenspan. This is a stress on the book stores to have to adhere to such a stringent schedule, so it isn't done that often.

Other books are more run of the mill and are released through the stores' normal marketing channels, which means that there is no particular date tied to the book's appearance on the shelves.

IMO

[ortiga]

So what are you saying...Beth had something to do with Natalee's disappearance? People detest her for making money off her daughter's death, traveling the country telling her story, oh and slandering the good folks such as the VDS', but what is it you think she's hiding?

I think she is hiding MB involvement either in her daughter's disappearance or in their knowing what did happen. IMO

Also I think she lies because it was so clearly her own decision to support a drinking trip (IMO) for her sheltered daughter, who got 100% on all her bible quotes, was a virgin, and did not drink, (Beth said.) I think she will never get over the guilt. IMO

By the way, I have never said I hated nor have I said I detested Beth Twitty, and I have not seen anyone else here say that either. I believe that people that freely use those words, in describing other people's thoughts, are mostly revealing how they themselves view life in such terms. But it is not fair to attribute those thoughts to other posters who do not use those words.

IMO

[terrysdoor]

Terry it was explained on another board that some books are important enough to have a certain specified release date, where all markets, ie book stores, have to release the book on a certain date. For instance that of Greenspan. This is a stress on the book stores to have to adhere to such a stringent schedule, so it isn't done that often.

Other books are more run of the mill and are released through the stores' normal marketing channels, which means that there is no particular date tied to the book's appearance on the shelves.

IMO

well i paid a little over $18 bucks for it and was a little disappointed i thought she was going to tell us something we didn`t know about the case but like i said it was more of what she experienced and i did learn a few things like Natalee`s bag was purple,Beth and Natalee shopped every Saturday morning,she dropped Natalee off at a friends house the morning of the trip and a few other things

[ortiga]

well i paid a little over $18 bucks for it and was a little disappointed i thought she was going to tell us something we didn`t know about the case but like i said it was more of what she experienced and i did learn a few things like Natalee`s bag was purple,Beth and Natalee shopped every Saturday morning,she dropped Natalee off at a friends house the morning of the trip and a few other things

But she said on one interview that the last time she saw her daughter was when she hugged her at the airport. IMO

[terrysdoor]

I think she is hiding MB involvement either in her daughter's disappearance or in their knowing what did happen. IMO

Also I think she lies because it was so clearly her own decision to support a drinking trip (IMO) for her sheltered daughter, who got 100% on all her bible quotes, was a virgin, and did not drink, (Beth said.) I think she will never get over the guilt. IMO

In the book she does state that she had the "talk" with Natalee about CnC`s ohhh and i almost forgot this ...Beth said the morning she was leaving her family cabin on the way out the door she happend to notice a yellow drink huggie on the table and something made her stop and pick it up and on the the bottom it was stamped Carlos n Charlies and she suddenly put it down IIRC/IMO

[terrysdoor]

But she said on one interview that the last time she saw her daughter was when she hugged her at the airport. IMO

I thought i had heard that also but in the book she says she took her to a friends house that morning and it was her job to pick them up at the airport when they returned IIRC/IMO

[ortiga]

In the book she does state that she had the "talk" with Natalee about CnC`s ohhh and i almost forgot this ...Beth said the morning she was leaving her family cabin on the way out the door she happend to notice a yellow drink huggie on the table and something made her stop and pick it up and on the the bottom it was stamped Carlos n Charlies and she suddenly put it down IIRC/IMO

You mean when she was leaving the cabin in Arkansas with the soccer moms before she ever heard that Natalee was missing? That C&C drink huggie was in her family's cabin??

[terrysdoor]

You mean when she was leaving the cabin in Arkansas with the soccer moms before she ever heard that Natalee was missing? That C&C drink huggie was in her family's cabin??

Yes that is what she wrote in her book i found that to be odd IMO

[SukiJane]

I think she is hiding MB involvement either in her daughter's disappearance or in their knowing what did happen. IMO

Also I think she lies because it was so clearly her own decision to support a drinking trip (IMO) for her sheltered daughter, who got 100% on all her bible quotes, was a virgin, and did not drink, (Beth said.) I think she will never get over the guilt. IMO

By the way, I have never said I hated nor have I said I detested Beth Twitty, and I have not seen anyone else here say that either. I believe that people that freely use those words, in describing other people's thoughts, are mostly revealing how they themselves view life in such terms. But it is not fair to attribute those thoughts to other posters who do not use those words.


IMO

LOL...okay!! yeah, beth has kept herself in the limelight all the while hiding secret MB info that would help solve her daughters case...sorry, other's may buy that line, but I ain't!!

I think Beth has had to get over the guilt she has most likely felt letting Natalee go on this trip. I'm sure any professional would tell her that it wasn't her fault. I personally wish the best for Beth in whatever she does in her life, because I think what she's experienced and is experiencing has got to be pure hell.

I was very careful with my wording Ortiga, everything I mentioned were Beth's actions that people despise. Some people don't hate Beth just her actions.

jmo

[ortiga]

So what are you saying...Beth had something to do with Natalee's disappearance? People detest her for making money off her daughter's death, traveling the country telling her story, oh and slandering the good folks such as the VDS', but what is it you think she's hiding?

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I was very careful with my wording Ortiga, everything I mentioned were Beth's actions that people despise. Some people don't hate Beth just her actions.

jmo

You said "People detest her", in reply to a post of mine.

Like I said:

"By the way, I have never said I hated nor have I said I detested Beth Twitty, and I have not seen anyone else here say that either. I believe that people that freely use those words, in describing other people's thoughts, are mostly revealing how they themselves view life in such terms. But it is not fair to attribute those thoughts to other posters who do not use those words."

[ortiga]

Yes that is what she wrote in her book i found that to be odd IMO


If the C&C drink thing was in her family cabin, then clearly (IMO) going to C&C was not unusual for at least someone who had stayed in the family cabin.

[terrysdoor]

If the C&C drink thing was in her family cabin, then clearly (IMO) going to C&C was not unusual for at least someone who had stayed in the family cabin.

i found it really weird too but she did say the cabin was always full of family on holidays IMO

[SukiJane]

You said "People detest her", in reply to a post of mine.

Like I said:

"By the way, I have never said I hated nor have I said I detested Beth Twitty, and I have not seen anyone else here say that either. I believe that people that freely use those words, in describing other people's thoughts, are mostly revealing how they themselves view life in such terms. But it is not fair to attribute those thoughts to other posters who do not use those words."

finish my statement...FOR HER ACTIONS...as I listed actions...but go ahead and twist away, nothing new there.

LOL...I'm certainly glad you've finally figured out how I view life....OMG, that is soooooo funnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! You've figured out how I view life.....teehheeeeheeee....you've figured it out....You caught me....oh my!!!!....LOLOLOLOL

[Luke Davis]

Heyes i know you have questions about me really reading the book but my local WALMRT here in the Carolinas did have it out and Beth in the book says that a close friend confronted her about some of her actions and that is when she and her friend went on a retreat in Mexico and basically is when she stopped showing up on every tv program at night she also says Harris Faulkner sent her a basket with special oils and soaps that hepled her IIRC/IMO

There is a internet rumor that Beth is now spokesperson for a soap company and appears in a commercial.

I'm wondering is GVC mentioned in the book? I'm still confused about who groped Natalee and who the MB boys scuffled with at CnC???????

[Luke Davis]

well i paid a little over $18 bucks for it and was a little disappointed i thought she was going to tell us something we didn`t know about the case but like i said it was more of what she experienced and i did learn a few things like Natalee`s bag was purple,Beth and Natalee shopped every Saturday morning,she dropped Natalee off at a friends house the morning of the trip and a few other thingsI bet the book is evidence in the Kalpoe lawsuit.

[ortiga]

There is a internet rumor that Beth is now spokesperson for a soap company and appears in a commercial.

I'm wondering is GVC mentioned in the book? I'm still confused about who groped Natalee and who the MB boys scuffled with at CnC???????

Selling soap now? Hmmm. Does the soap have Natalee's name on it?

[ortiga]

I bet the book is evidence in the Kalpoe lawsuit.


I bet that one "into the deep" could be used in a lawsuit too. How does he tip toe around opining that Deepak (or Joran or Satish) murdered Natalee. Does he actually say that? You'd think that might get him in trouble. From the blurb on Amazon you'd think (I'd think, anyway), that right there would be enough to get a libel suit going.

IMO

[fairmaiden]

That is what Dompig said all along, they were monitoring the boys, from right at first. So did she say that she was able to put the pieces of Joran's statement together and read it, in Dutch, right there on the spot?

Is this the statement she says she "has" ??? The one where Joran said they had "sex at his apartment at 1:40 a.m.)) ???

JMO

[ortiga]

Is this the statement she says she "has" ??? The one where Joran said they had "sex at his apartment at 1:40 a.m.)) ???

JMO

Hmm. don't know. It seems that Terry is about the only one on the internet that has the book!!

I do know that Beth said she HAS the one wherein Joran supposedly said that he and Natalee had sex in his house at 1:40 am. Actually the idea that a 17 year old heterosexual boy looks at his watch during an event of such proportions............lol

IMO

[fairmaiden]

Yup, they were being questioned. They lied of course and then two innocent men were thrown in jail. The ALE did a complete search of their houses and cars. Ah good ole ALE. looks like they will only go in "cowboy" style when it's a SG. IMO I think its a class/race thing IMO,
Hmmmm. lools like no matter what happens in aruba the books are still being written, joran, deepak and satish are still suspects. In most peoples eyes it seems that it is etched in stone who kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee. Many, many of us feel that paulus and anita were involved in either the crime itself or the attempt at cover-up after the fact. IMO
I agree,we don't need anymore murder suspects coming to our country. I would hope if they have the nerve to show up here and try to make it a media event that they have the same experience as before.
I went to Walmart the other day. I was told it would be out on OCT 2. hmmmmmmmm~

You keep referring to "most of us", and "many, many of us". I keep saying, Heyes .... I don't believe that's a true statement. ANYONE I try to talk to about this case, has NO CLUE what I'm talking about. It's NOT "etched in stone for me". Not at all. I don't know that Natalee WAS kidnapped, raped and murdered.

terrysdoor has related some of the things written in the book. She was able to find it. Surely, your "hmmmmmmm" doesn't mean you DOUBT that.

Are you expecting to find out the "TRUTH about The Kidnapping in Aruba" when YOU read the book ??

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee, so no worries here! She's welcome to tell her story from one end of the U.S. to the other.
We know who the liars are! That would be the suspects and their families.
IMO

Well now, there you go again .... "Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee ..........". Heyes, what is the basis for that statement you always make ??

I would assume it would be alright with you then .... if someone said one of your children was responsible for murdering someone .... with no proof, mind you .... and proceeded to travel throughout the country saying JUST that ??

As far as I'm concerned .... she's NOT welcome to tell un unproven story!!

JMO

[terrysdoor]

There is a internet rumor that Beth is now spokesperson for a soap company and appears in a commercial.

I'm wondering is GVC mentioned in the book? I'm still confused about who groped Natalee and who the MB boys scuffled with at CnC???????

Luke in her book she really does not mention no other suspects by name she does mention thet there are 9 or 10 suspects but she does not elaborate on any activities of the trip except she thought some guy might have been on the snorkeling trip Natalee went on IIRC

[SukiJane]

Hmm. don't know. It seems that Terry is about the only one on the internet that has the book!!

I do know that Beth said she HAS the one wherein Joran supposedly said that he and Natalee had sex in his house at 1:40 am. Actually the idea that a 17 year old heterosexual boy looks at his watch during an event of such proportions............lol

IMO

It seems Terry only likes answering certain questions about the book, and sometimes is not real sure about the actual wording. Oh well, I don't have such a great memory either.

It's weird how interrogators are such sticklers for time, isn't it?

jmo

[ortiga]

It seems Terry only likes answering certain questions about the book, and sometimes is not real sure about the actual wording. Oh well, I don't have such a great memory either.

It's weird how interrogators are such sticklers for time, isn't it?

jmo


Terry has been gracious enough to answer all questions that I have seen posed to her, and also clears up any questions afterwards.

Thanks Terry!!

:seeya:

[fairmaiden]

well i paid a little over $18 bucks for it and was a little disappointed i thought she was going to tell us something we didn`t know about the case but like i said it was more of what she experienced and i did learn a few things like Natalee`s bag was purple,Beth and Natalee shopped every Saturday morning,she dropped Natalee off at a friends house the morning of the trip and a few other things

terry .... I don't BLAME you for being disappointed. The book cover proclaims this is the "TRUTH Behind the Kidnapping in Aruba .... oh, and it's Aftermath". Just LOOKING at that, I would think we (all of us) are going to find out the TRUTH. It's reprehensible, to me. But that's just me .... ;)

JMO

[terrysdoor]

It seems Terry only likes answering certain questions about the book, and sometimes is not real sure about the actual wording. Oh well, I don't have such a great memory either.

It's weird how interrogators are such sticklers for time, isn't it?

jmo

Please suki anything you would like to ask, ask away i will gladly reply.just what do you want to know?

[fairmaiden]

Hmm. don't know. It seems that Terry is about the only one on the internet that has the book!!

I do know that Beth said she HAS the one wherein Joran supposedly said that he and Natalee had sex in his house at 1:40 am. Actually the idea that a 17 year old heterosexual boy looks at his watch during an event of such proportions............lol

IMO

LOL, ortiga .... Now, I thought it was just ME .... but I've actually thought EXACTLY that .... lolol .

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Terry has been gracious enough to answer all questions that I have seen posed to her, and also clears up any questions afterwards.

Thanks Terry!!

:seeya:

Again I agree with you, ortiga.

Thank you terry ....

[ortiga]

Please suki anything you would like to ask, ask away i will gladly reply.just what do you want to know?

Terry I think you said that Beth was driving along and everyone was calling on their cell phones, and Matt was supplying the numbers??

I guess that means that Matt knew about the disappearance many hours before he told his Dad. IIRC he told his Dad later that evening after Beth's plane was in the air, with the fabulous 7.

Reading between the lines, I'd bet a bunch of cash that Beth told Matt not to call his Dad....until she was in the air.

IMO

[ortiga]

LOL, ortiga .... Now, I thought it was just ME .... but I've actually thought EXACTLY that .... lolol .

JMO

I know she said she had that statement. Too bad she's never bothered to show it to anyone. Bye bye credibility.

IMO

[fairmaiden]

It seems Terry only likes answering certain questions about the book, and sometimes is not real sure about the actual wording. Oh well, I don't have such a great memory either.

It's weird how interrogators are such sticklers for time, isn't it?

jmo

Suki .... I'm curious. What do you expect to find out when/if you read this book ?? Would you, like me, expect it to reveal what it SAYS it's going to reveal .... "The TRUTH of the Kidnapping in Aruba" ??

JMO

[terrysdoor]

Terry I think you said that Beth was driving along and everyone was calling on their cell phones, and Matt was supplying the numbers??

I guess that means that Matt knew about the disappearance many hours before he told his Dad. IIRC he told his Dad later that evening after Beth's plane was in the air, with the fabulous 7.

Reading between the lines, I'd bet a bunch of cash that Beth told Matt not to call his Dad.

IMO

yes Matt was supplying the numbers they needed and as far as Dave goes she only says that when it come to the children they got along well IIRC/IMO

[fairmaiden]

Terry I think you said that Beth was driving along and everyone was calling on their cell phones, and Matt was supplying the numbers??

I guess that means that Matt knew about the disappearance many hours before he told his Dad. IIRC he told his Dad later that evening after Beth's plane was in the air, with the fabulous 7.

Reading between the lines, I'd bet a bunch of cash that Beth told Matt not to call his Dad.

IMO

THAT'S a great point, ortiga. I've ALWAYS questioned that. In fact, it sets off a series of things in my mind.

First .... why would Beth NOT call Natalee's father, if she thought immediately her daughter had been "kidnapped" ?? We all know Dave didn't really approve of Natalee going to Aruba .... but, still .... why DIDN'T Beth call him when she knew Natalee was "missing" ?? This is what has always led me to believe that Beth thought Natalee had left voluntarily.

I believe she was bound and determined to get to Aruba .... find Natalee .... and bring her back BEFORE Dave even knew she was "missing". I can't even IMAGINE that. Dave was Natalee's father !! The question that sticks in my mind .... WHY didn't she call him ??

JMO

[ortiga]

THAT'S a great point, ortiga. I've ALWAYS questioned that. In fact, it sets off a series of things in my mind.

First .... why would Beth NOT call Natalee's father, if she thought immediately her daughter had been "kidnapped" ?? We all know Dave didn't really approve of Natalee going to Aruba .... but, still .... why DIDN'T Beth call him when she knew Natalee was "missing" ?? This is what has always led me to believe that Beth thought Natalee had left voluntarily.

I believe she was bound and determined to get to Aruba .... find Natalee .... and bring her back BEFORE Dave even knew she was "missing". I can't even IMAGINE that. Dave was Natalee's father !! The question that sticks in my mind .... WHY didn't she call him ??

JMO

That's one of the troubles with her "I knew immediately she was kidnapped" speil. 1) she didn't bother to call Natalee's father 2) the call me hootie poster 3) her actions when she got to Aruba.

IMO she thought Natalee was out misbehaving with a guy, probably the same guy that she had called home about. I believe Beth was thoroughly confused to see that Joran looked so different than the boy Natalee had described on the phone. IMO

Fair have you heard anything about the "soap-selling" rumor? That would truly be bizarre if she is doing soap commercials. Aren't soap commercials on during the.....uh.....soap operas?

IMO

[SukiJane]

Suki .... I'm curious. What do you expect to find out when/if you read this book ?? Would you, like me, expect it to reveal what it SAYS it's going to reveal .... "The TRUTH of the Kidnapping in Aruba" ??

JMO

Actually I didn't even have plans to buy the book until Terry started giving her summations here. I'm kinda curious to see if Beth says..."what you got". I'm sure the book must have been interesting and obviously a page turner for her to finish it so quickly.

jmo

[terrysdoor]

Actually I didn't even have plans to buy the book until Terry started giving her summations here. I'm kinda curious to see if Beth says..."what you got". I'm sure the book must have been interesting and obviously a page turner for her to finish it so quickly.

jmo

the book is only 234 pages

when my sister returns the book suki i will go back and look and be SURE to note how she puts it down in the book i wasn`t checking the grammer in the book i was looking for the TRUTH of what happened in Aruba .......but i still don`t know

[Luke Davis]

Luke in her book she really does not mention no other suspects by name she does mention thet there are 9 or 10 suspects but she does not elaborate on any activities of the trip except she thought some guy might have been on the snorkeling trip Natalee went on IIRC

Thanks terrysdoor! I was thinking of buying the book just to learn more about GVC and Steve Croes. I still think they are the most interesting suspects. I remember early reports of how the MB boys got a real close look at Joran's face during a scuffle. Then it seemed it wasn't Joran. I don't remember Joran talking about a scuffle.

[Luke Davis]

Please suki anything you would like to ask, ask away i will gladly reply.just what do you want to know?Funny thing, I am beginning to see comments from others who have read the book. They don't really say much either. Just Beth is wonderful, 5 stars, Beth loves Natalee, Natalee is good, Joran is bad but nothing really interesting. :shrug:

Thank you terrysdoor for being so informative!

[Luke Davis]

Terry I think you said that Beth was driving along and everyone was calling on their cell phones, and Matt was supplying the numbers??

I guess that means that Matt knew about the disappearance many hours before he told his Dad. IIRC he told his Dad later that evening after Beth's plane was in the air, with the fabulous 7.

Reading between the lines, I'd bet a bunch of cash that Beth told Matt not to call his Dad....until she was in the air.

IMO

I wonder if all the reporters that wrote the UNTRUTH are going to go back and revise their stories, or stand by them?

[ortiga]

I wonder if all the reporters that wrote the UNTRUTH are going to go back and revise their stories, or stand by them?

Going back to revise their stories would sure be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. But it does sound like Beth is revising some of her stories, again. How helpful that the night clerk at the HI said that Joran likes to prey on young blond women and looks like a Dutch marine. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And that now she is back to letting Natalee off at a friend's house and has temporarily lost the more tear jerking story of hugging her at the airport. IMO

[fairmaiden]

That's one of the troubles with her "I knew immediately she was kidnapped" speil. 1) she didn't bother to call Natalee's father 2) the call me hootie poster 3) her actions when she got to Aruba.

IMO she thought Natalee was out misbehaving with a guy, probably the same guy that she had called home about. I believe Beth was thoroughly confused to see that Joran looked so different than the boy Natalee had described on the phone. IMO

Fair have you heard anything about the "soap-selling" rumor? That would truly be bizarre if she is doing soap commercials. Aren't soap commercials on during the.....uh.....soap operas?

IMO

ortiga .... Sorry it took so long to respond. I've heard nothing about her being a commercial selling soap.

Isn't that how "Soap Operas" got their name ?? They were/are shown during the day when lots of "soap" commercials are aired.

;)

JMO

[ortiga]

ortiga .... Sorry it took so long to respond. I've heard nothing about her being a commercial selling soap.

Isn't that how "Soap Operas" got their name ?? They were/are shown during the day when lots of "soap" commercials are aired.

;)

JMO

Apparently it was just an internet rumor as Luke stated, I can't find anything to back it up. I wonder why she doesn't resume the speech pathology career. You'd think doing soap commercials would be embarrassing to someone with her educational background.

IMO

But then you'd think that a book like this and her behavior on TV would be embarrassing to someone with her educational background too :chicken:

[Chocoholic]

There is a internet rumor that Beth is now spokesperson for a soap company and appears in a commercial.

I hope it shows she's washing her mouth out after telling all those lies.

[ortiga]

I hope it shows she's washing her mouth out after telling all those lies.



lol too funny

[Heyes]

Noticing and commenting on Beths lies has nothing to do with supporting a suspect in a possible murder.

That's the point!!!!

Why would she lie so much? What was she trying to hide!!!

IMO

But your priorities seem so backwards to me. I would think that there should be much more outrage towards the obvious, IMO, suspect in a kidnapping, rape and murder than there would be towards a distraught mother of a missing young woman, but that's just me.
Carry on with your non stop Beth obsession!
IMO

[Heyes]

Well now, there you go again .... "Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee ..........". Heyes, what is the basis for that statement you always make ??

I would assume it would be alright with you then .... if someone said one of your children was responsible for murdering someone .... with no proof, mind you .... and proceeded to travel throughout the country saying JUST that ??

As far as I'm concerned .... she's NOT welcome to tell un unproven story!!

JMO
You act as if joran is a mystery and we've all been picking on him because Beth told us too! lol lol
Joran created the image we hold of him now. aruba and it's bumbling ale and those that spoke for them are the reason opionions have been formed and their hotel rooms are not filling up the way they were before Natalee's disappearance. It's not Beth!

[Chocoholic]

But your priorities seem so backwards to me. I would think that there should be much more outrage towards the obvious, IMO, suspect in a kidnapping, rape and murder than there would be towards a distraught mother of a missing young woman, but that's just me.
Carry on with your non stop Beth obsession!
IMO
Why has bht from the moment she heard about Nat missing focused on J2K as perpetrators of a crime instead of keeping other options open?

Why did bht ask for a death certificate on day 10 of Nat being missing? Any normal parent would never give up the hope that their daughter might be alive.

Why did bht exclude the thought that something other than a crime had taken place?

Why did bht go straight to the house of the supposed kidnapper of her daughter (as she believed)? Was she totally deranged? If indeed as she believed Joran was guilty of a crime wouldn't it be virtual suicide to show up there? Did she really think that a kidnapper would hide the "victim" at this brilliant criminal mastermind's home?

Why did bht scrounge up $4,000 for the release of Nat if she believed that J2K had kidnapped, "brutally" gangraped and murdered her daughter?

I could go on, but I'm getting sick of this case. I hardly care anymore where Nat is hiding out, I just hope she's happier than she was with her coaching stepfather and her buddy Hootie.

[Chocoholic]

You act as if joran is a mystery and we've all been picking on him because Beth told us too!

Yup pretty much. Same reason that the poor security guards are held in such high regard, even though they weren't pointed out by J2K and were in possession of stolen tourist goods and one of them is STILL considered a suspect. Just ignore the facts and focus on what bht tells you to.

imo

[Heyes]

There is a internet rumor that Beth is now spokesperson for a soap company and appears in a commercial.

[QUOTE=ortiga;9001837]

Fair have you heard anything about the "soap-selling" rumor? That would truly be bizarre if she is doing soap commercials. Aren't soap commercials on during the.....uh.....soap operas?

IMO

Apparently it was just an internet rumor as Luke stated, I can't find anything to back it up. I wonder why she doesn't resume the speech pathology career. You'd think doing soap commercials would be embarrassing to someone with her educational background.

IMO

But then you'd think that a book like this and her behavior on TV would be embarrassing to someone with her educational background too :chicken:

I hope it shows she's washing her mouth out after telling all those lies.


And the rumor flourishes................
:punch:
Unbelievable!

[Chocoholic]

And the rumor flourishes................
:punch:
Unbelievable!
I know ain't it great? That's how the rumor continued that Nat was kidnapped, brutally gangraped and murdered. No evidence mind you, but some people refuse to give up on that idea, instead of even willing to look at the obvious..... Nat ran :chicken:

imo

[Heyes]

Why has bht from the moment she heard about Nat missing focused on J2K as perpetrators of a crime instead of keeping other options open?There are no other options, she and everyone else were looking at the right perp. imo

Why did bht ask for a death certificate on day 10 of Nat being missing? Any normal parent would never give up the hope that their daughter might be alive.They were told she was dead and there was a confession from one of the suspects?

Why did bht exclude the thought that something other than a crime had taken place?after seeing joran interviewed I think you'd be a fool to look any where else.

Why did bht go straight to the house of the supposed kidnapper of her daughter (as she believed)? Was she totally deranged? If indeed as she believed Joran was guilty of a crime wouldn't it be virtual suicide to show up there? Did she really think that a kidnapper would hide the "victim" at this brilliant criminal mastermind's home?she brought the cops there with her, after others told her exactly who Natalee left with. seems joran is well known in the casinos

Why did bht scrounge up $4,000 for the release of Nat if she believed that J2K had kidnapped, "brutally" gangraped and murdered her daughter? Two words, julia renfro. lol lol con artist extraordinaire, imo

I could go on, but I'm getting sick of this case. I hardly care anymore where Nat is hiding out, I just hope she's happier than she was with her coaching stepfather and her buddy Hootie.we know, you've told us that at this point you don't care if Beth ever finds out what happened to her daughter! :rolleyes:

Gee I don't know where we might get the impression you dislike Beth.
lol lol lol

[Heyes]

I know ain't it great? That's how the rumor continued that Nat was kidnapped, brutally gangraped and murdered. No evidence mind you, but some people refuse to give up on that idea, instead of even willing to look at the obvious..... Nat ran :chicken:

imo

I disagree, Natalee running is not obvious to me.
Joran playing island games with her and then lying his fool head off, pow wows held around his parents pool on how when there is no body there is no case, anita calling his friends worried what they may have told the investigators about her son. suspects lying and covering up for each other. yup, that's where I would look.
I think aruba at least knows who and when it's just how and where did they put her when they were finished is the problem.
But, lucky joran. cuz when "there's no body there's no case"! Good ole Mr. vandersloot! always there protecting his son, at any cost!
IMO

[fairmaiden]

You act as if joran is a mystery and we've all been picking on him because Beth told us too! lol lol
Joran created the image we hold of him now. aruba and it's bumbling ale and those that spoke for them are the reason opionions have been formed and their hotel rooms are not filling up the way they were before Natalee's disappearance. It's not Beth!

Heyes .... Again, you don't address the point I was making. Talk about "deflection". And, again you refer to "we", as if it encompasses all posters. It doesn't !!!

Who was talking about hotel rooms being filled ??

I asked you a simple question, which you seem to refuse to answer. YOU had made the comment .... Beth is entitled to travel across the country leveling accusations of heinous crimes. I simply asked you .... would you approve if it were YOUR child she was accusing ??

JMO

[Heyes]

Heyes .... Again, you don't address the point I was making. Talk about "deflection". And, again you refer to "we", as if it encompasses all posters. It doesn't !!!

Who was talking about hotel rooms being filled ??

I asked you a simple question, which you seem to refuse to answer. YOU had made the comment .... Beth is entitled to travel across the country leveling accusations of heinous crimes. I simply asked you .... would you approve if it were YOUR child she was accusing ??

JMO

We - can just mean more that one person. And there is more than one person that believe joran is guilty. If I meant all posters I would have typed all posters. :rolleyes:
If joran was my child...... nope don't even want to think about it. However I will say this, if I was anita I would certainly wonder what my husband and son were doing while I was away. After hearing and seeing what came out of joran and paulus' mouth and their actions, I would understand why Beth and the ale and the FBI and the Dutch investigators and people from all over the world would assume my family had something to do with this poor girls disappearance. I would not interfere with the investigation as she did and I wouldn't go on tv lecturing the world how Natalee should have used the buddy system. I think she came off rather ridiculous. I am embarrassed for her yet at the same time disgusted with her. So no if joran was my child I wouldn't "approve" of him being called a murderer but I would understand. This is joran and his situation we're talking about. Many of us, (meaning NOT ALL POSTERS), agree with all the law enforcement agency's that find joran as the logical suspect. The possiblity that Natalee ran away is there, however add joran, paulus, the kalpoes and a handful of jorans suspect buddies lies and actions into the equation and the probability, just seems to disappear. Poof, we got a murder folks!
IMO

[Chocoholic]

we know, you've told us that at this point you don't care if Beth ever finds out what happened to her daughter! :rolleyes:

Gee I don't know where we might get the impression you dislike Beth.
lol lol lol

we know, you've told us that at this point you don't care if Beth ever finds out what happened to her daughter!

Gee I don't know where we might get the impression you dislike Beth.
lol lol lol


I've never made it a secret that I dislike bht intensely, I believe my opinion is allowed on this board, just like your opinion of J2K is allowed on this board.


Why has bht from the moment she heard about Nat missing focused on J2K as perpetrators of a crime instead of keeping other options open?There are no other options, she and everyone else were looking at the right perp. imo


ALE and KLPD disagree with you, but then obviously you have far more evidence than they do :rolleyes:


Why did bht ask for a death certificate on day 10 of Nat being missing? Any normal parent would never give up the hope that their daughter might be alive.They were told she was dead and there was a confession from one of the suspects?
No that wasn't the case. The FBI stated (paraphrased) chances that Nat would be found alive would diminish as time went along. To bht this meant that she had to ask for a death certificate.

Why did bht exclude the thought that something other than a crime had taken place?after seeing joran interviewed I think you'd be a fool to look any where else. Only a fool closes all doors when trapped in a fire, but bht seems comfy.

Why did bht go straight to the house of the supposed kidnapper of her daughter (as she believed)? Was she totally deranged? If indeed as she believed Joran was guilty of a crime wouldn't it be virtual suicide to show up there? Did she really think that a kidnapper would hide the "victim" at this brilliant criminal mastermind's home?she brought the cops there with her, after others told her exactly who Natalee left with. seems joran is well known in the casinos
Oh right I forgot about bht's Dutch language expertise. Is there a problem with Joran playing in tournaments as far as ALE is concerned? Apparently Alabama parents and LE have no issues with their 17-18 year olds boozing it up at home.

Why did bht scrounge up $4,000 for the release of Nat if she believed that J2K had kidnapped, "brutally" gangraped and murdered her daughter? Two words, julia renfro. lol lol con artist extraordinaire, imo
Good thing you threw that "imo" in there. Anything to save the family right? Everybody was trying to con bht. Can you see anything wrong with that picture?

[Chocoholic]

I disagree, Natalee running is not obvious to me.
Joran playing island games with her and then lying his fool head off, pow wows held around his parents pool on how when there is no body there is no case, anita calling his friends worried what they may have told the investigators about her son. suspects lying and covering up for each other. yup, that's where I would look.
I think aruba at least knows who and when it's just how and where did they put her when they were finished is the problem.
But, lucky joran. cuz when "there's no body there's no case"! Good ole Mr. vandersloot! always there protecting his son, at any cost!
IMO

Pow wows? That's a North American term if ever there was one. Of course you have no proof of that, hence your "imo" in your post. Anita calling the friends covering up for each other is another blatant lie, hence another "imo" in your post". Paul v.d. Sloot protecting his son at any cost is another lie, hence the "imo" in your post.

Paul and Anita v.d.d Sloot at least are on the record stating that they wanted their son to speak the truth to ALE, which is a whole lot more than we can say for ANY of the MB posse, including bht.

IMO

[fairmaiden]

Most people agree with Beth on what happened to Natalee, so no worries here! She's welcome to tell her story from one end of the U.S. to the other.
We know who the liars are! That would be the suspects and their families.
IMO

We - can just mean more that one person. And there is more than one person that believe joran is guilty. If I meant all posters I would have typed all posters. :rolleyes:
If joran was my child...... nope don't even want to think about it. However I will say this, if I was anita I would certainly wonder what my husband and son were doing while I was away. After hearing and seeing what came out of joran and paulus' mouth and their actions, I would understand why Beth and the ale and the FBI and the Dutch investigators and people from all over the world would assume my family had something to do with this poor girls disappearance. I would not interfere with the investigation as she did and I wouldn't go on tv lecturing the world how Natalee should have used the buddy system. I think she came off rather ridiculous. I am embarrassed for her yet at the same time disgusted with her. So no if joran was my child I wouldn't "approve" of him being called a murderer but I would understand. This is joran and his situation we're talking about. Many of us, (meaning NOT ALL POSTERS), agree with all the law enforcement agency's that find joran as the logical suspect. The possiblity that Natalee ran away is there, however add joran, paulus, the kalpoes and a handful of jorans suspect buddies lies and actions into the equation and the probability, just seems to disappear. Poof, we got a murder folks!
IMO

Well, I see you've made this about Anita now.

I was responding to a comment you had posted about "Beth being welcome to tell her story from one end of the U.S. to the other". It had nothing to do with Anita.

I also asked you a simple question .... which I'm not sure I understand your response to that question. Let me try though .... are you saying, that if your son had spent some time with Natalee, and Natalee subsequently disappeared, you would understand if Natalee's mother traveled the country, accusing YOUR son of kidnap .... rape .... murder ??

Incidentally .... do you equate every "disappearance" with a murder ?? Do you think people EVER disappear voluntarily ??

JMO

[Chocoholic]

We - can just mean more that one person. And there is more than one person that believe joran is guilty. If I meant all posters I would have typed all posters. :rolleyes:
If joran was my child...... nope don't even want to think about it. However I will say this, if I was anita I would certainly wonder what my husband and son were doing while I was away. After hearing and seeing what came out of joran and paulus' mouth and their actions, I would understand why Beth and the ale and the FBI and the Dutch investigators and people from all over the world would assume my family had something to do with this poor girls disappearance. I would not interfere with the investigation as she did and I wouldn't go on tv lecturing the world how Natalee should have used the buddy system. I think she came off rather ridiculous. I am embarrassed for her yet at the same time disgusted with her. So no if joran was my child I wouldn't "approve" of him being called a murderer but I would understand. This is joran and his situation we're talking about. Many of us, (meaning NOT ALL POSTERS), agree with all the law enforcement agency's that find joran as the logical suspect. The possiblity that Natalee ran away is there, however add joran, paulus, the kalpoes and a handful of jorans suspect buddies lies and actions into the equation and the probability, just seems to disappear. Poof, we got a murder folks!
IMO

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dang I needed a darned good laugh after this busy week. Thanks Heyes!

*walking away laughing*

the genius team who completely made vanish a drunken "virginal" US blond without so much as a trace was kidnapped, brutally raped and murdered. I bet bht and geraldo have the evidence in the Al Capone's vault. http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif

[Chocoholic]

Heyes .... Again, you don't address the point I was making. Talk about "deflection". And, again you refer to "we", as if it encompasses all posters. It doesn't !!!

Who was talking about hotel rooms being filled ??

I asked you a simple question, which you seem to refuse to answer. YOU had made the comment .... Beth is entitled to travel across the country leveling accusations of heinous crimes. I simply asked you .... would you approve if it were YOUR child she was accusing ??

JMO

Posts like these remind me of the Monkey site. Anything to protect the "family" and anything to paint Aruba as corrupt, uncooperative and secretive. It reminds me of almost a Mafia-type attitude, maybe took lessons from Jossy and his family?

[Chocoholic]

Well, I see you've made this about Anita now.



Come FM get real. It's far more important to make fun of a woman wearing clothing appropriate for a warm climate that at least covers her body than it is to find out where all the money went for finding a missing daughter. After all bht must have gotten her fingers fairly dirty getting her mom to iron her clothes for her.

As I've said before, Anita at least comes across as a caring loving mother which is a whole lot more than I can say for Nat's buddy bht.

imo

[No Nic]

Come FM get real. It's far more important to make fun of a woman wearing clothing appropriate for a warm climate that at least covers her body than it is to find out where all the money went for finding a missing daughter. After all bht must have gotten her fingers fairly dirty getting her mom to iron her clothes for her.

As I've said before, Anita at least comes across as a caring loving mother which is a whole lot more than I can say for Nat's buddy bht.

imo

Dirty fingers because her mom ironed for her? These comments are just getting more and more bizzare.

Anita has her head so far up her ... that she either can't see the truth or she flat doesn't care. She said 100%:

Joran would never smoke (proven to be a lie in a recent interview)

Joran would never do drugs (proven a lie by him using another's urine in a prison drug test)

Joran doesn't lie, only tries to "cover up a bit" (proven a lie EVERYWHERE)

Was she the one that said Joran only gambles in free tournaments ? (proven a lie by the blackjack video)

What has been revealed of Joran's character in this case has proved him to be anything but the good little sporter/average teen Anita (and supporters) claims him to be. If this was my son I would have sent him much further from the home than the backyard. An extreme boot camp would have been good. But then Anita would not have gotten her daily dose of *pat, pat, rub, rub..good little pet*.

Oh Well...**yawn**....there have been a mountain of proven lies from that side of the case and NONE of them matter.......the victim and family MUST be attacked (it is the ONLY defense).
imo

[ortiga]

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Oh Well...**yawn**....there have been a mountain of proven lies from that side of the case and NONE of them matter.......the victim and family MUST be attacked (it is the ONLY defense).
imo

What family? Who is attacking what "family"? Is Beth part of Dave's family? Is Beth part of Jug's family? Criticizing Beth and what she has done to the VDS is exactly that, has nothing to do with any family. I did not see any other relative of Natalee acting like that woman, Beth, did.

And, of course no one is attacking any victim here. Beth is not a victim by a long shot.

IMO

[ortiga]

As I've said before, Anita at least comes across as a caring loving mother which is a whole lot more than I can say for Nat's buddy bht.

imo

A dedicated teacher, a role model, a warm woman who is part of a stable many-years-long relationship, a homebody that looks like a real person, a real neighbor and and friend, classy and honest. That's how Anita comes across to me, and I know, for instance, if I had to choose between Beth Twitty and Anita as a godmother to a child of mine....there would be no hesitation to whom I would want my child entrusted. Anita would win by a mile.

IMO

[No Nic]

A dedicated teacher, a role model, a warm woman who is part of a stable many-years-long relationship, a homebody that looks like a real person, a real neighbor and and friend, classy and honest. That's how Anita comes across to me, and I know, for instance, if I had to choose between Beth Twitty and Anita as a godmother to a child of mine....there would be no hesitation to whom I would want my child entrusted. Anita would win by a mile.

IMO

Yeah, if you want your child to be a drinking, smoking, gambling, lying, cheating, fighting, destructive, thieving, drugging, suspect in kidnap/rape/murder. Sure, that is what most parents would want. lol

imo

[Chocoholic]

A dedicated teacher, a role model, a warm woman who is part of a stable many-years-long relationship, a homebody that looks like a real person, a real neighbor and and friend, classy and honest. That's how Anita comes across to me, and I know, for instance, if I had to choose between Beth Twitty and Anita as a godmother to a child of mine....there would be no hesitation to whom I would want my child entrusted. Anita would win by a mile.

IMO

I saw Anita shed tears for the sadness of Natalee missing and how that affected her family. How quick people are forgetting that Aruba wants this crime solved. How quick people forget that Anita (at least at the time) wore the baby blue bracelet in support to find Natalee. Unlike Nat's friends she wasn't found on internet pictures advertising drinking whilst wearing same bracelet, but then she's hardly underage.

I can't even say that I saw bht truly sad because her daughter decided not to return to the family. Angry beyond words? YES!! Sad? A resounding NO.

I guess the MB parents approve of breaking the law, seeing as how many of their offspring drink and even post pictures on the internet to show off their conquest. We can surely safely assume that no retailer would ever sell booze to underage kids and well, considering how upstanding the MB citizens are, they couldn't very well have provided the booze.

HOW in heaven's name did those kids get their hands on booze when it's illegal for them to drink in Aleebamee?

Anyway, I would trust my children with Anita and her children and her husband any time. As for bht and her string of ex's not a chance in he!!

[Chocoholic]

What family? Who is attacking what "family"? Is Beth part of Dave's family? Is Beth part of Jug's family? Criticizing Beth and what she has done to the VDS is exactly that, has nothing to do with any family. I did not see any other relative of Natalee acting like that woman, Beth, did.

And, of course no one is attacking any victim here. Beth is not a victim by a long shot.

IMO
As far as evidence is concerned not even Natalee is a victim unless we consider the statements that jug "coached" Natalee on a daily basis and that she referred to her mother as being a close relative of Hitler's.

Somebody stated something along the lines of "poof a murder". This is far more a case of "poof - disappeared". Those red slippers have some powerful magic.

[ortiga]

As far as evidence is concerned not even Natalee is a victim unless we consider the statements that jug "coached" Natalee on a daily basis and that she referred to her mother as being a close relative of Hitler's.

Somebody stated something along the lines of "poof a murder". This is far more a case of "poof - disappeared". Those red slippers have some powerful magic.

Natalee has disappeared, but even for that I don't consider her a victim. She may end up being proven to be a victim of her own choices, ie drowned in the sea due to an altered sense of decision making. Or, as you tend to believe, she may have gone away voluntarily to escape what surely, to me, IMO, was not a satisfactory home life, and possibly very dangerous home life. Or as those who tend to expect and dwell in the macabre think, she may have been violently gang raped by all the suspects, buried several times, cut up to fit in a crab trap, and dumped at sea. That of course would make her a victim, but that's all so far just a fantasy of those who like to think in those realms. IMO

Due to the fact that we just don't know where Natalee went, with whom she went, how she went....I agree that Natalee can't be considered a victim either, at this point.

Joran, of course is a victim of the judge jury and executioner mentality and very public words of Beth Twitty who should make a public apology to him and his family. And to the Kalpoes, indeed to all of Aruba. Although it still is a mystery what happened to Natalee which means that she can't be considered a victim, it is no mystery at all what Beth Twitty said about and did to the VDS family, making them the definite victims in this mystery.

IMO

[Heyes]

Pow wows? That's a North American term if ever there was one. Of course you have no proof of that, hence your "imo" in your post. Anita calling the friends covering up for each other is another blatant lie, hence another "imo" in your post". Paul v.d. Sloot protecting his son at any cost is another lie, hence the "imo" in your post.

Paul and Anita v.d.d Sloot at least are on the record stating that they wanted their son to speak the truth to ALE, which is a whole lot more than we can say for ANY of the MB posse, including bht.

IMO


right back at ya, hence your IMO at the end of your post!
:patriot:

[Heyes]

Perhaps Heyes isn't a parent and that makes being judge, jury and executioner so much easier. :shrug:

Getting personal with a fellow poster again are we?

Try to stay on topic.

[Heyes]

A dedicated teacher, a role model, a warm woman who is part of a stable many-years-long relationship, a homebody that looks like a real person, a real neighbor and and friend, classy and honest. That's how Anita comes across to me, and I know, for instance, if I had to choose between Beth Twitty and Anita as a godmother to a child of mine....there would be no hesitation to whom I would want my child entrusted. Anita would win by a mile.

IMO




(((((SHIVER))))))))
Not me!


Gosh sounds like you know her very well. *snicker*
Are you one of her real neighbors?
LMAO!

:chicken:

[Heyes]

Natalee has disappeared, but even for that I don't consider her a victim. She may end up being proven to be a victim of her own choices, ie drowned in the sea due to an altered sense of decision making. Or, as you tend to believe, she may have gone away voluntarily to escape what surely, to me, IMO, was not a satisfactory home life, and possibly very dangerous home life. Or as those who tend to expect and dwell in the macabre think, she may have been violently gang raped by all the suspects, buried several times, cut up to fit in a crab trap, and dumped at sea. That of course would make her a victim, but that's all so far just a fantasy of those who like to think in those realms. IMO

Due to the fact that we just don't know where Natalee went, with whom she went, how she went....I agree that Natalee can't be considered a victim either, at this point.

Joran, of course is a victim of the judge jury and executioner mentality and very public words of Beth Twitty who should make a public apology to him and his family. And to the Kalpoes, indeed to all of Aruba. Although it still is a mystery what happened to Natalee which means that she can't be considered a victim, it is no mystery at all what Beth Twitty said about and did to the VDS family, making them the definite victims in this mystery.

IMO

Gosh that was pretty!
How any vandersloot could come off looking remotely like a victim is amusing to me. But it doesn't change the facts.
According to aruba, the FBI and the Dutch, and many of us that have followed the case, Joran, deepak and satish are the primary suspects in the kidnapping, rape and murder of Natalee Holloway. With other suspects and charges sprinkled in. It was the prosecutor from aruba that revealed paulus and anitas actions during this time. To her they were suspicious. This is public record.
The fact that joran, satish and deepak still haven't been released as suspects pretty much says it all. They will problably be let off the hook eventually, but only because the body wasn't found. I'd say Mr. vandersloot knows the laws in aruba very well, "No body, no case", and all.
Beth had no control over this. Bitter pill to swallow for you I know but it's true.
Natalee is the victim, joran is not.

imo

[ortiga]

Getting personal with a fellow poster again are we?

Try to stay on topic.

(((((SHIVER))))))))
Not me!


Gosh sounds like you know her very well. *snicker*
Are you one of her real neighbors?
LMAO!

:chicken:


Getting personal with a fellow poster again are we?

[ortiga]

Gosh that was pretty!
How any vandersloot could come off looking remotely like a victim is amusing to me. But it doesn't change the facts.
According to aruba, the FBI and the Dutch, and many of us that have followed the case, Joran, deepak and satish are the primary suspects in the kidnapping, rape and murder of Natalee Holloway. With other suspects and charges sprinkled in. It was the prosecutor from aruba that revealed paulus and anitas actions during this time. To her they were suspicious. This is public record.
The fact that joran, satish and deepak still haven't been released as suspects pretty much says it all. They will problably be let off the hook eventually, but only because the body wasn't found. I'd say Mr. vandersloot knows the laws in aruba very well, "No body, no case", and all.
Beth had no control over this. Bitter pill to swallow for you I know but it's true.
Natalee is the victim, joran is not.

imo

Remember that always was a POSSIBLE kidnapping, rape, murder. No charges were ever filed, no crime was ever proven to have been committed. Natalee probably swam off and was swept away by the currents.

Beth showed her character to the world when she declared herself in charge of indicting and convicting the boys of....whatever she felt like convicting them of.

What a truly horrible horrible attention seeking, "Natalee-product-selling" person Beth is. IMO

[ortiga]

Hey guess what. The grieving soccer mom is over there on Aruba with Greta and the cameras. Boycott be danged, there is MONEY to be made for Beth and Greta!!!

*Rumor* is that they tried to rent Natalee's old room but the HI nixed that. Think of how much more tear jerking it would have been to actually have Beth sleeping in Natalee's room, in Natalee's t-shirt, with Greta's cameras rolling. What a missed opportunity, that would have sold a bundle of books. Beth must have been so ANGRY!!!

But they did get in a Saturday night visit to C&C, that should be worth a few books sold too! I wonder if Beth offered any of the guys a jello shot!!!

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Hey guess what. The grieving soccer mom is over there on Aruba with Greta and the cameras. Boycott be danged, there is MONEY to be made for Beth and Greta!!!

*Rumor* is that they tried to rent Natalee's old room but the HI nixed that. Think of how much more tear jerking it would have been to actually have Beth sleeping in Natalee's room, in Natalee's t-shirt, with Greta's cameras rolling. What a missed opportunity, that would have sold a bundle of books. Beth must have been so ANGRY!!!

But they did get in a Saturday night visit to C&C, that should be worth a few books sold too! I wonder if Beth offered any of the guys a jello shot!!!

IMO

By the way, for those of you who have followed the Natalie Holloway story…we did stop in at Carlos and Charlies late last night. Greta

Watch your drink Greta!!!

[ortiga]

"Anita
by Greta Van Susteren
The word gets out - I got an email that Joran’s mother Anita wanted me to call. I called and she said she wants to meet with Beth. Time is short and Beth can’t do it…but we will arrange for future. It is too bad that we did not know that Anita wanted to meet with Beth earlier as we would have worked it out incidentally, Anita was very cordial to me but did have some hostile words for the media (and she did include me in that but was at the same time very nice to me. Remember: Anita has done nothing wrong and her life has been turned upside down so I understand her view.)"

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/anita/

--------------------

What a hoot!! Beth just too busy to meet with Anita. ya know.Suppose it was because Beth couldn't get the cameras in? Can you imagine that....the mother of the missing woman doesn't have time to meet with the mother of the suspect...and Anita should have known ahead of time that they were coming.

lol Beth has time for C&C but won't meet with Anita!!! ;)

IMO

[Luke Davis]

In case anyone wants a weather report from Aruba - it is sunny, warm and humid. There are gorgeous beaches but we certainly are not on them - instead we are with Beth Holloway trying to retrace steps, look at the investigation etc.Maybe we can watch them on the Aruba cam!

[ortiga]

Maybe we can watch them on the Aruba cam!

yeppers. Trying to retrace steps and look at the investigation but sorry, no time for Anita, thats not in the book promotion script. Reading between the lines of the gretawire, I guess that Anita griped about the media because Greta and Beth insisted on cameras. Why else would that subject have come up?

[ortiga]

Beth will NEVER meet with Anita. NEVER. She would have to fall to her knees with shame and beg forgiveness for what she did to that family.

Mark my words...Beth will NEVER meet with Anita, Joran, or Paulus, unless she has a camera crew to try to edit, paste, and make fun of them after the personal meetings.

IMO

[Chocoholic]

Getting personal with a fellow poster again are we?

Try to stay on topic.
It was on topic, thanks for the confirmation :D

[Chocoholic]

Beth will NEVER meet with Anita. NEVER. She would have to fall to her knees with shame and beg forgiveness for what she did to that family.

Mark my words...Beth will NEVER meet with Anita, Joran, or Paulus, unless she has a camera crew to try to edit, paste, and make fun of them after the personal meetings.

IMO

Joran has called bht's bluff twice! He's twice the man that either one of bht's ex's are combined. Now Anita is calling bht out. I can just imagine Anita traveling to Mountain Brook and stating that that oh oops she doesn't have time to meet with any of the family or friends of Nat. I'm sure that that would be acceptable to bht, right? :D

LMAO

[Chocoholic]

What a hoot!! Beth just too busy to meet with Anita. ya know.Suppose it was because Beth couldn't get the cameras in? Can you imagine that....the mother of the missing woman doesn't have time to meet with the mother of the suspect...and Anita should have known ahead of time that they were coming.

lol Beth has time for C&C but won't meet with Anita!!! ;)

IMO
For bht it hasn't been about finding Natalee at all. It's been about collecting life insurance claims and lovebowls.

Anita shows more compassion, than bht about finding Natalee.


imo

[ortiga]

Joran has called bht's bluff twice! He's twice the man that either one of bht's ex's are combined. Now Anita is calling bht out. I can just imagine Anita traveling to Mountain Brook and stating that that oh oops she doesn't have time to meet with any of the family or friends of Nat. I'm sure that that would be acceptable to bht, right? :D

LMAO

On another board there is a rumor that Anita wanted the dialogue in the meeting to be uncut and unedited, but did agree to the cameras, but Beth would not agree to the non-edited clause. Sure it's a rumor, but I believe it because that was Joran's agreement with Greta too, and it makes sense that his mom would demand the same, expeshally after what Beth did to the family for so many months, and for what both Beth and Dave did to the family after they graciously spoke off camera with them.

Beth does not want to be in any situation where she can't cut, parse, exaggerate, and lie as much as she wants to. She wants to make fun of Anita and her family again, and can't do it with an unedited transcript. IMO

IMO

[ortiga]

snipped

Anita shows more compassion, than bht about finding Natalee.


imo

Yes, she has all along. Shown more compassion about finding Natalee than her own mother did.

IMO

[Chocoholic]

On another board there is a rumor that Anita wanted the dialogue in the meeting to be uncut and unedited, but did agree to the cameras, but Beth would not agree to the non-edited clause. <snipped>
This time bht ain't in charge of the interview and I say: "w00t Anita - you go girl!!".

[No Nic]

So much for "Beth will be arrested for slander (or some such nonsense) if she ever sets foot on Aruban soil" (para)

Beth and I are in the airport in Aruba having crossed the line of the US Customs and Immigration so we feel like we are home — but we still have a long flight ahead of us until we officially put our feet on American soil.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

DEBUNKED !! ROTFLMAO

imo

[No Nic]

Update - 10:02am….some of you have posted comments or emailed me asking me if the source on this entry is Julia Renfro. I won’t tell you who it is — and won’t answer any more guesses - but do want to note it is not Julia Renfro (although she did contact me while I was in Aruba…I did not contact her first.) The source of the blog entry below claims to have fear…and apparently, while pushing the theory with me, declines to go to the Dutch investigative unit or our FBI…in my view this is a major shortcoming and undermines the validity of the theory….but, as noted, it is hard (impossible?) to know who or what to believe sometimes..

It is Monday morning and I have many pics and lots of video to post for you but I need to get to the office to do it (internet connection at home is down.)

In the meantime, let me tell you something odd: when I was in Aruba yesterday I received a communication from someone who I have met before in Aruba and who seems to be pretty smart but perhaps with an agenda. The person sought me out after hearing via the grapevine that I was in Aruba (word gets out fast in a small country.) The person told me that people in Aruba DO know what happened to Natalee, are talking among themselves, but are afraid to do anything about it. The person told me the police have the information and have had it for a long time but won’t act on it…some out of fear and others because of corruption.

The message that was passed to me is essentially that the country of Aruba is run by the illegal drug industry and illegal money laundering industry and no one dares to say anything that might disturb it. The person specifially refused to give me any more information because I am in the media and the person said everyone is afraid in Aruba to talk about this. The person did say the information is unrelated to the 3 who have previously been arrested and detained. I pressed the person and said, on a 1 to 10 scale, how much do you believe the information that is being passed among Arubans about Natalee…the person said 8.

Let me add one important thing: I have NO idea whether this person was telling me the 100 per cent truth, whether this person’s information is accurate…I am merely passing it on to you for your thoughts. This communication could be completely ridiculous, 100 per cent true…or some thing in between. The one thing we do know: this case has not been solved…and my personal opinion is that the police in the beginning - mostly first 5 days - were either sloppy or cruel.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

[ortiga]

So much for "Beth will be arrested for slander (or some such nonsense) if she ever sets foot on Aruban soil" (para)


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

DEBUNKED !! ROTFLMAO

imo



I wonder why Greta and Beth didn't bother to check the ISTF site to see what Beth has taken from the other sites, to see what the rules are for entering Aruba (and the US, for that matter) with expensive camera gear. Many countries require a deposit, or a permission form to be filled out ahead of time, this is to prevent the avoidance of import tax, and to have visitors adhere to work laws.

Why do you think the Beth and Greta did not check out Beth's very own "non-profit" safe travels site? Is it because there really is nothing of value on it except a flashing donation button? Why should they be exempt from the laws of the country they are visiting?
I thought maybe the release of this book might stir up some decent conversation, but, IMO, all it has stirred up is the sludge that always surrounds Beth, and even more so when she is with Greta. Bottom feeders, sludge, really their whole escapade, made to order for the money angle....

Beth wouldn't meet with Joran when the opportunity was offered, and now won't meet with Anita either. Unless of course she can have her media lackeys filming and disseminating only the parts she wants released. But she did have time to go to C&C, hang around the lighthouse for a photo op.

Poor Natalee. I don't think that Beth actually killed her, but I do think that Natalee broke free of her mother in leaps and bounds on that vacation, and made poor decisions because of finally getting away from that mother.

IMO

[Chocoholic]

I wonder why Greta and Beth didn't bother to check the ISTF site to see what Beth has taken from the other sites, to see what the rules are for entering Aruba (and the US, for that matter) with expensive camera gear. Many countries require a deposit, or a permission form to be filled out ahead of time, this is to prevent the avoidance of import tax, and to have visitors adhere to work laws.

Why do you think the Beth and Greta did not check out Beth's very own "non-profit" safe travels site? Is it because there really is nothing of value on it except a flashing donation button? Why should they be exempt from the laws of the country they are visiting?
I thought maybe the release of this book might stir up some decent conversation, but, IMO, all it has stirred up is the sludge that always surrounds Beth, and even more so when she is with Greta. Bottom feeders, sludge, really their whole escapade, made to order for the money angle....

Beth wouldn't meet with Joran when the opportunity was offered, and now won't meet with Anita either. Unless of course she can have her media lackeys filming and disseminating only the parts she wants released. But she did have time to go to C&C, hang around the lighthouse for a photo op.

Poor Natalee. I don't think that Beth actually killed her, but I do think that Natalee broke free of her mother in leaps and bounds on that vacation, and made poor decisions because of finally getting away from that mother.

IMO
It's typically how cowards work.

[cassidy]

I've stayed away from here on purpose for the last few weeks only poping in to read from time to time. This latest action on the part of Greta and Mrs Twitty ( or is it Ms Holloway) is truly odd. If I understand it correctly, they believed that they were going to slip back into Aruba, with their ONLY "mission" being to retrace Natalee's movements the night she went missing? Oh, wait, they were bringing a camera crew and all of their equipment too? Oh, hold on again, Greta "forgot" rules about bringing in expensive equipment but didn't "forget" to complain that it had been impounded because she didn't follow the rules? Lucky for them they snuck in those handycams! We might not have been able to see ANY edited footage Wed nite! Wonder what made them think of concealing handicams? Hmmmmm.
Sorry, but Greta has been in the media far too long to pull this kind of a stunt. They must have forgotten to bring Geraldo along.. this is right up his alley.
Can you say Pubilicity Stunt?


JMO

[fairmaiden]

I've stayed away from here on purpose for the last few weeks only poping in to read from time to time. This latest action on the part of Greta and Mrs Twitty ( or is it Ms Holloway) is truly odd. If I understand it correctly, they believed that they were going to slip back into Aruba, with their ONLY "mission" being to retrace Natalee's movements the night she went missing? Oh, wait, they were bringing a camera crew and all of their equipment too? Oh, hold on again, Greta "forgot" rules about bringing in expensive equipment but didn't "forget" to complain that it had been impounded because she didn't follow the rules? Lucky for them they snuck in those handycams! We might not have been able to see ANY edited footage Wed nite! Wonder what made them think of concealing handicams? Hmmmmm.
Sorry, but Greta has been in the media far too long to pull this kind of a stunt. They must have forgotten to bring Geraldo along.. this is right up his alley.
Can you say Pubilicity Stunt?


JMO

Nice to "see" you, cassidy .... and, as usual .... GREAT post !!

I believe you DO understand it correctly. I'm not sure which is worse here .... this "retracing" in "Aruba, or the fact it shamefully coincided with the release of Beth's book .... which .... from what I understand tells us what we already knew. It certainly didn't divulge any TRUTH about what happened . As I mentioned before, I don't believe ANY of this is anything but a shameful attempt to gather MORE money.

You really DO have to ask yourself .... what WAS this latest trip to Aruba ??
After all, Beth DIDN'T take Anita up on her offer to meet with her. Wait .... she didn't take Joran up on HIS offer either.

JMO

[ortiga]

Nice to "see" you, cassidy .... and, as usual .... GREAT post !!

I believe you DO understand it correctly. I'm not sure which is worse here .... this "retracing" in "Aruba, or the fact it shamefully coincided with the release of Beth's book .... which .... from what I understand tells us what we already knew. It certainly didn't divulge any TRUTH about what happened . As I mentioned before, I don't believe ANY of this is anything but a shameful attempt to gather MORE money.

You really DO have to ask yourself .... what WAS this latest trip to Aruba ??
After all, Beth DIDN'T take Anita up on her offer to meet with her. Wait .... she didn't take Joran up on HIS offer either.

JMO

Good morning FM,

I think it is quite clear that Beth has no desire to find out anything about Natalee. For one thing she sure doesn't want to hear from Joran about any of Natalee's thoughts, words, and deeds on that last night. She doesn't want to meet with Anita, brushed her off. She doesn't want to hear from the MB students about Natalee's actions and the men she may have interacted with before she went missing. In fact, I do think it's pretty clear that she doesn't want to hear anything that would dilute the dirty little story she has concocted about Natalee being kidnapped, gangraped, murdered, buried several times...etc etc without a gram of proof. But, as we all sure do know, that gangraped, drugged business sure does sell the books. I wonder what her next Natalee product is?

And Greta....greta....shame on her, she lost all credibility. There are reports of her and Beth running from the police department in uncontrollable giggling, hysterical fits....this report comes from the Aruban side, so I will say IMO here.

So, is she a grieving mother....or simply a person cashing in on her daughter's disappearance. For the first few months I could buy the grieving mother bit....but now......no way.....she's just on a roll for upscale lifestyle now


:rolleyes:

IMO

[ortiga]

Check out GMA on ABC...

She "is getting to a good part in her life"

:eek: :eek:

She looks very different, speaks with a little girl, very high voice, much higher than even before during her events on TV, with lots of "you knows", and the cosmetic surgery is very apparent around the eyes and mouth, IMO. She is dressed with a white blouse opened to show cleavage, and a little black jumper top like grade school kids wear. Greta and her big secret that caused them to run laughing hysterically (IMO) from the police station is that there wasn't a police man there when they entered.

She is dating John Ramsey, they very much enjoy each others company, and it was sad that her other marriage dissolved.

Then, incredibly, there is an excerpt from her book also on GMA, griping about being called to ID someone that others thought might be Natalee. And she complains about being photographed with a swollen face. :rolleyes: "And my very swollen, unrecognizable face, photographed leaving Bubali station soon appears in the media." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/Story?id=3675252&page=3

What a sick sad joke. So fluffy and entertaining the Natalee story now. Two years later and the details of how her faced looked are foremost in her mind.

But, she is "getting to a good part of her life", bless her little heart.

IMO

[SukiJane]

Good morning FM,

I think it is quite clear that Beth has no desire to find out anything about Natalee. For one thing she sure doesn't want to hear from Joran about any of Natalee's thoughts, words, and deeds on that last night. She doesn't want to meet with Anita, brushed her off. She doesn't want to hear from the MB students about Natalee's actions and the men she may have interacted with before she went missing. In fact, I do think it's pretty clear that she doesn't want to hear anything that would dilute the dirty little story she has concocted about Natalee being kidnapped, gangraped, murdered, buried several times...etc etc without a gram of proof. But, as we all sure do know, that gangraped, drugged business sure does sell the books. I wonder what her next Natalee product is?

And Greta....greta....shame on her, she lost all credibility. There are reports of her and Beth running from the police department in uncontrollable giggling, hysterical fits....this report comes from the Aruban side, so I will say IMO here.

So, is she a grieving mother....or simply a person cashing in on her daughter's disappearance. For the first few months I could buy the grieving mother bit....but now......no way.....she's just on a roll for upscale lifestyle now


:rolleyes:

IMO


I think it's pathetic that Anita contacted Greta for what seems to be nothing more than begging for an interview. Too funny, and quite desperate if you ask me. You would think if Anita had something to say she would just contact Beth herself, or at the very least pass the message to Greta for Beth to call. But no, Anita talks to Greta, badmouthing the press and wants a meeting with Beth in front of the cameras...LOL

It's hilariously funny the commotion on Aruba when Greta and Beth arrive. Looks to me that there are some powers in Aruba who were just about wetting themselves in fear of Beth...LOL

jmo

[ortiga]

And in the "has anyone told Dave yet" department:

"For her family, especially her mother Beth, it was the beginning of a desperate search for a beloved daughter"

Say WHAT?????

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3678554

[terrysdoor]

I think it's pathetic that Anita contacted Greta for what seems to be nothing more than begging for an interview. Too funny, and quite desperate if you ask me. You would think if Anita had something to say she would just contact Beth herself, or at the very least pass the message to Greta for Beth to call. But no, Anita talks to Greta, badmouthing the press and wants a meeting with Beth in front of the cameras...LOL

It's hilariously funny the commotion on Aruba when Greta and Beth arrive. Looks to me that there are some powers in Aruba who were just about wetting themselves in fear of Beth...LOL

jmo

Good morning all...... I would think IMO Greta would jump at the chance to talk to Anita but that is just me

[ortiga]

Good morning all...... I would think IMO Greta would jump at the chance to talk to Anita but that is just me


Hi Terry, reading between the lines, Beth and Greta couldn't control the use of the interview, as Anita (IMO) wanted it unedited so Beth couldn't extract little bits for her own use, or give it to someone on TV to edit, like Phil.

I can just imagine what they would have come up with by twisting Anita's words.

IMO

[terrysdoor]

Hi Terry, reading between the lines, Beth and Greta couldn't control the use interview, as Anita (IMO) wanted it unedited so Beth couldn't extract little bits for her own use, or give it to someone on TV to edit, like Phil.

I can just imagine what they would have come up with by twisting Anita's words.

IMO

it sure does seem odd i mean Greta and Fox news are suppose to be "fair and balanced" so why would she not find time IMO

[ortiga]

it sure does seem odd i mean Greta and Fox news are suppose to be "fair and balanced" so why would she not find time IMO


At least we know "for the record" that Joran offered to meet with her and Dave, Paulus did meet with her, and then with Dave, and Anita invited Beth and Greta into her house. And now, Anita wanted to speak with Beth.

So, which opportunities did Beth avail herself of? Only the one where she and Greta could spin what they wanted, ie the one in Anitas house. By the way, apparently in the new book, it was Beth that described to Anita, Paulus, and Greta how the teens were making out in the back of the car. All this time it was Beth's words that Greta wanted to escape by diving under the table.

IMO

[SukiJane]

Good morning all...... I would think IMO Greta would jump at the chance to talk to Anita but that is just me

Yes, you would think, but then obviously not.

Poor Anita can't get her message out to Beth in front of the cameras. Maybe nobody wants to hear from the VDS' anymore, since they have been quite an embarrassment for Aruba. Anita feels the need to contact an American media outlet? Hmmmmm, I guess she couldn't find anyone from the Netherlands or Aruba to put a camera on her as she tells Beth and the world what a sporter her son is and that maybe he was just covering up a little.

I doubt the woman has anything to say unless she is going to beg forgiveness for her son derailing and obstructing justice in the very early crucial hours and days of a missing person investigation.

jmo

[terrysdoor]

Yes, you would think, but then obviously not.

Poor Anita can't get her message out to Beth in front of the cameras. Maybe nobody wants to hear from the VDS' anymore, since they have been quite an embarrassment for Aruba. Anita feels the need to contact an American media outlet? Hmmmmm, I guess she couldn't find anyone from the Netherlands or Aruba to put a camera on her as she tells Beth and the world what a sporter her son is and that maybe he was just covering up a little.

I doubt the woman has anything to say unless she is going to beg forgiveness for her son derailing and obstructing justice in the very early crucial hours and days of a missing person investigation.

jmo
i still think IMO i would want to talk to her cameras or no cameras

also in the book Beth states "This is Beth.Tell me wha`cha got" page 117fourth paragraph sorry if i misinformed anyone IMO

[SukiJane]

i still think IMO i would want to talk to her cameras or no cameras

also in the book Beth states "This is Beth.Tell me wha`cha got" page 117fourth paragraph sorry if i misinformed anyone IMO

That's really the point, why did Anita need cameras to talk to Beth. Maybe Anita will write a book too, and needs something to put in it, besides how her son is such a sweet boy.

Ugh, the thought of someone refusing to tell the police the last place he saw a person alive is disgusting to me.

Thanks for the info from the book, and I wasn't really being too picky, it's that you wrote something and put it into quotations, and I asked if it was a direct quote from the book. You said yes. I thought the wording was strange, that's all.

jmo

[terrysdoor]

That's really the point, why did Anita need cameras to talk to Beth. Maybe Anita will write a book too, and needs something to put in it, besides how her son is such a sweet boy.

Ugh, the thought of someone refusing to tell the police the last place he saw a person alive is disgusting to me.

Thanks for the info from the book, and I wasn't really being too picky, it's that you wrote something and put it into quotations, and I asked if it was a direct quote from the book. You said yes. I thought the wording was strange, that's all.

jmo

i did not know Anita wanted cameras i just thought Beth said she did not have time

i guess i picked that up from Beth in the author`s note in her book she has this sentance Quotation marks are used in the book for the purpose of readability,not necessarily to indicate that the words in quotes are exact.IMO

[ortiga]

i did not know Anita wanted cameras i just thought Beth said she did not have time

i guess i picked that up from Beth in the author`s note in her book she has this sentance Quotation marks are used in the book for the purpose of readability,not necessarily to indicate that the words in quotes are exact.IMO

Terry you have the calmest way of dropping bombshells, IMO. (j/K, I do appreciate your contributions from the book)

You mean she actually says that she uses quotation marks in the book for the purpose of "readability", not necessarily that someone actually said the words?

LMAO

In other words, she makes things up and puts quotes around them to make the words "readable"?

Where is the hyena when he is most needed!!

IMO

[SukiJane]

i did not know Anita wanted cameras i just thought Beth said she did not have time

i guess i picked that up from Beth in the author`s note in her book she has this sentance Quotation marks are used in the book for the purpose of readability,not necessarily to indicate that the words in quotes are exact.IMO

Really? Then why do you think she contacted Greta of all people. According to what was reported Anita wanted Greta to call her. Wonder why she didn't just ask for Beth to call her. Why is it now Beth didn't have time? Remember: Anita contacted Greta via e-mail, and wanted Greta to call her, not Beth.
jmo

[terrysdoor]

Terry you have the calmest way of dropping bombshells, IMO. (j/K, I do appreciate your contributions from the book)

You mean she actually says that she uses quotation marks in the book for the purpose of "readability", not necessarily that someone actually said the words?

LMAO

In other words, she makes things up and puts quotes around them to make the words "readable"?

Where is the hyena when he is most needed!!

IMO

LOL well that is what she puts in there

i just had time to stop and watch her interview on ABC gosh she sure has changed IMO

[terrysdoor]

Really? Then why do you think she contacted Greta of all people. According to what was reported Anita wanted Greta to call her. Wonder why she didn't just ask for Beth to call her. Why is it now Beth didn't have time? Remember: Anita contacted Greta via e-mail, and wanted Greta to call her, not Beth.
jmo

maybe i misread Greta`s blog i thought she said that there was no time IMO i believe if i were Beth i would have changed my schedule a little bit to hear what she has to say now... i know i have read how Anita loves giving interviews but i don`t recall that many actually i can only remember one but i could have missed a lot of stuff IMO

[ortiga]

LOL well that is what she puts in there

i just had time to stop and watch her interview on ABC gosh she sure has changed IMO

yeppers, not the same woman at all, but at least she "is getting to a good part in her life".

:rolleyes:


IMO

[Grandad]

Remember that always was a POSSIBLE kidnapping, rape, murder. No charges were ever filed, no crime was ever proven to have been committed. Natalee probably swam off and was swept away by the currents.

Beth showed her character to the world when she declared herself in charge of indicting and convicting the boys of....whatever she felt like convicting them of.

What a truly horrible horrible attention seeking, "Natalee-product-selling" person Beth is. IMO


From the first day I heard Natalee had "disappeared" I believed she ran off. During the first few weeks of Beth's TV blitz the only question in my mind was whether Natalee simply ran off for her own personal reasons, or as part of a well thought out and well executed scam.

I opted for the first choice, frankly, because the second really seemed to be so outrageous, but now, two years later, as Beth is launching phase II of marketing Natalee's memory, she appears to be so confident Natalle will never be found, and not wanting to believe any parent would make a career out of the loss of a child, I'm back to wondering if Natalee's getting on the plane to Aruba was the first step of an elaborate scam.

[No Nic]

From the first day I heard Natalee had "disappeared" I believed she ran off. During the first few weeks of Beth's TV blitz the only question in my mind was whether Natalee simply ran off for her own personal reasons, or as part of a well thought out and well executed scam.

I opted for the first choice, frankly, because the second really seemed to be so outrageous, but now, two years later, as Beth is launching phase II of marketing Natalee's memory, she appears to be so confident Natalle will never be found, and not wanting to believe any parent would make a career out of the loss of a child, I'm back to wondering if Natalee's getting on the plane to Aruba was the first step of an elaborate scam.

This is the post that should have the laughing hyenna emoticon response (or maybe a complete paragraph of rolling eyes emoticons), how asbsurd.

imo

[ortiga]

From the first day I heard Natalee had "disappeared" I believed she ran off. During the first few weeks of Beth's TV blitz the only question in my mind was whether Natalee simply ran off for her own personal reasons, or as part of a well thought out and well executed scam.

I opted for the first choice, frankly, because the second really seemed to be so outrageous, but now, two years later, as Beth is launching phase II of marketing Natalee's memory, she appears to be so confident Natalle will never be found, and not wanting to believe any parent would make a career out of the loss of a child, I'm back to wondering if Natalee's getting on the plane to Aruba was the first step of an elaborate scam.

She seems to hate Natalee (IMO), that has to be factored in. She is going to expose parts of Natalee's diary on Greta on Wed night (Natalee's personal DIARY), and according to a poster on this thread that has read the book, she even stipulates which finger Joran used when petting with Natalee in the back seat of the car. And why would that be important in showing that she is "loving Natalee"? Gives me the creeps, it does.

I don't think there is a way for her to ever bottom out, the chance to make money off Natalee will ensure that she continue to think of ways to sell Natalee, her signed hootie posters, get people to tune in to Greta to hear the diary excerpts, maybe put together a video of Natalee's photos and home videos and sell that.

My strongest theory is that she swam/floated away, and my second theory is that she was so thoroughly depressed from being dumped by Joran, that she ran into some party guys on the beach and sailed off on someone's nearby anchored boat.

One thing we've never learned anything about on this board is what was on Natalee's hard drive and if she had communicated with someone in Aruba before she left. It would make complete sense, Beth says in her book that there was a C&C drink protector in the family cabin......how could that be explained away? I think there were a lot of ties between the Twitty's and Aruba, the fab 7, and the MB students and families. It is not out of the question that Natalee had a date lined up in Aruba before she ever left Alabama.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Really? Then why do you think she contacted Greta of all people. According to what was reported Anita wanted Greta to call her. Wonder why she didn't just ask for Beth to call her. Why is it now Beth didn't have time? Remember: Anita contacted Greta via e-mail, and wanted Greta to call her, not Beth.
jmo
I got an email that Joran’s mother Anita wanted me to call. I called and she said she wants to meet with Beth. Time is short and Beth can’t do it…but we will arrange for future.Greta Blog

[ortiga]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3678690&page=1

Check this out. I think someone from GMA has a sense of humor about the before and after photos of Beth's face. lol

IMO

[Grandad]

This is the post that should have the laughing hyenna emoticon response (or maybe a complete paragraph of rolling eyes emoticons), how asbsurd.

imo

Even without the emoticons people are probably rolling their eyes at the hyenna.

[Chocoholic]

yeppers, not the same woman at all, but at least she "is getting to a good part in her life".

:rolleyes:


IMO
Of course she is, Ramsey is loaded.

[SukiJane]

Greta Blog

Thanks for keeping me in line. I stand corrected...according to Greta, Beth didn't have the time to meet with Anita. I still have to wonder why Anita needs Greta to be involved with a meeting between her and Beth.

jmo

[fairmaiden]

This is the post that should have the laughing hyenna emoticon response (or maybe a complete paragraph of rolling eyes emoticons), how asbsurd.

imo

No Nic .... Frankly this whole thing is a little absurd to me. For the past 2 years plus .... We have been led to believe that Natalee was kidnapped, gang-raped, then murdered . Beth has proclaimed this to be true. You can try to sugar coat that any way you want. We have been led to believe there is corruption in "Paradise" in a book written by Dave Holloway. Beth has NOW written a book stipulating it contains the "TRUTH" behind the kidnapping in Aruba. I've read many places this is a "faith-based" book . I'm not sure WHAT that's supposed to denote. We have seen COUNTLESS products sold under Natalee's name .... many books written. Lest I forget .... FOUNDATIONS have been started !! We have seen boycotts requested . I could go on ........

Suspects have been arrested .... interrogated .... released .... then, in the case of Joran et al, arrested AGAIN.

We know Natalee is "missing", but IMO, there is so much we DON'T know .... suspects we hear virtually nothing about.

There is NOTHING that would surprise me about this .... including the possibility of a very elaborate scam. There doesn't appear to be proof of any kidnapping .... any gang-rape .... or any murder.

For you to demean another poster's opinion because it doesn't agree with how you feel about this case .... THAT'S absurd. It's every bit as possible as any theory I've seen.

JMO

[ortiga]

Thanks for keeping me in line. I stand corrected...according to Greta, Beth didn't have the time to meet with Anita. I still have to wonder why Anita needs Greta to be involved with a meeting between her and Beth.

jmo

Maybe Beth has never answered Anita's emails?

GMA: God entrusted Beth to Natalee's care. What she remembers most about Natalee is her dancing, from age 3 and on. Beth reads some papers (evidently school papers but Beth calls it a "journal") she found in Natalee's closet where Natalee was asked "If you could have any superhuman power, what would it be?"

And gosh, Natalee's answer was such an insight to Beth about who Natalee really was. Speculation abounds that this is Beth's tentative entry into the field of marketing Natalee's school papers that Beth found in her closet. IMO


She would "love to talk" to the VDS, but can't until the truth is told. :rolleyes:

"Ummm, what I know to be true is that Natalee is not on this earth"

Thanks to Heli on RU for another verbatim transcript.

IMO

[SukiJane]

No Nic .... Frankly this whole thing is a little absurd to me. For the past 2 years plus .... We have been led to believe that Natalee was kidnapped, gang-raped, then murdered . Beth has proclaimed this to be true. You can try to sugar coat that any way you want. We have been led to believe there is corruption in "Paradise" in a book written by Dave Holloway. Beth has NOW written a book stipulating it contains the "TRUTH" behind the kidnapping in Aruba. I've read many places this is a "faith-based" book . I'm not sure WHAT that's supposed to denote. We have seen COUNTLESS products sold under Natalee's name .... many books written. Lest I forget .... FOUNDATIONS have been started !! We have seen boycotts requested . I could go on ........

Suspects have been arrested .... interrogated .... released .... then, in the case of Joran et al, arrested AGAIN.

We know Natalee is "missing", but IMO, there is so much we DON'T know .... suspects we hear virtually nothing about.

There is NOTHING that would surprise me about this .... including the possibility of a very elaborate scam. There doesn't appear to be proof of any kidnapping .... any gang-rape .... or any murder.

For you to demean another poster's opinion because it doesn't agree with how you feel about this case .... THAT'S absurd. It's every bit as possible as any theory I've seen.

JMO

We certainly were lead to believe kidnap, rape, and murder as three of the suspects, Joran, Deepak, and Satish were arrested for reasonable suspicion of kidnap, rape and murder...go figure. It seems you are trying to accuse one person of making these accusations, and that is just not fair.

In my opinion all reasonable theories must factor in the lies by the suspects.

JMO

[SukiJane]

Maybe Beth has never answered Anita's emails?

GMA: God entrusted Beth to Natalee's care. What she remembers most about Natalee is her dancing, from age 3 and on. Beth reads some papers (evidently school papers but Beth calls it a "journal") she found in Natalee's closet where Natalee was asked "If you could have any superhuman power, what would it be?"

And gosh, Natalee's answer was such an insight to Beth about who Natalee really was. Speculation abounds that this is Beth's tentative entry into the field of marketing Natalee's school papers that Beth found in her closet. IMO

She would "love to talk" to the VDS, but can't until the truth is told. :rolleyes:

"Ummm, what I know to be true is that Natalee is not on this earth"

Thanks to Heli on RU for another verbatim transcript.

IMO

Well if that is true, is Anita trying to bully or manipulate Beth into meeting with her? Hmmm, kinda reminds me of Joran's character, maybe he gets it from his mother.

What do you think she has to say that's so important?

jmo

[ortiga]

No Nic .... Frankly this whole thing is a little absurd to me. For the past 2 years plus .... We have been led to believe that Natalee was kidnapped, gang-raped, then murdered . Beth has proclaimed this to be true. You can try to sugar coat that any way you want. We have been led to believe there is corruption in "Paradise" in a book written by Dave Holloway. Beth has NOW written a book stipulating it contains the "TRUTH" behind the kidnapping in Aruba. I've read many places this is a "faith-based" book . I'm not sure WHAT that's supposed to denote. We have seen COUNTLESS products sold under Natalee's name .... many books written. Lest I forget .... FOUNDATIONS have been started !! We have seen boycotts requested . I could go on ........

Suspects have been arrested .... interrogated .... released .... then, in the case of Joran et al, arrested AGAIN.

We know Natalee is "missing", but IMO, there is so much we DON'T know .... suspects we hear virtually nothing about.

There is NOTHING that would surprise me about this .... including the possibility of a very elaborate scam. There doesn't appear to be proof of any kidnapping .... any gang-rape .... or any murder.

For you to demean another poster's opinion because it doesn't agree with how you feel about this case .... THAT'S absurd. It's every bit as possible as any theory I've seen.

JMO

Funny, so far in 2 interviews with GMA...no mention of kidnapping from the interviewer or Beth. All the garbage, IMO, posted by Greta about her answer seeking :rolleyes: publicity junket to Aruba....funny, no mention of kidnapping. (But Beth did have to get an OK from JQK...:rolleyes: ) Interview last night with JQK....no mention of kidnapping. Greta's come on spiel to get viewers for tonight....a whole hour with BHT....no mention of kidnapping. No mention either of Aruba funding North Koreas nuclear program or other such transgressions.

So what was the title of the book about? (Besides getting money from another lurid accusation?)

IMO

[fairmaiden]

We certainly were lead to believe kidnap, rape, and murder as three of the suspects, Joran, Deepak, and Satish were arrested for reasonable suspicion of kidnap, rape and murder...go figure. It seems you are trying to accuse one person of making these accusations, and that is just not fair.

In my opinion all reasonable theories must factor in the lies by the suspects.

JMO

Yes Suki .... All of us know why they are under suspicion. No one disputes that. No one has been CHARGED with any crime. I'm accusing one person of making these accusations WITHOUT ANY PROOF. I understand .... PROOF .... seems to go "out the window" for you. You don't seem to require any. I'm accusing one person of appearing on television COUNTLESS times .... not stating that ALE arrested them .... but stating, as fact that the kidnap, rape, murder occurred.

JMO

Personally, I'm stunned, after this length of time .... nothing has been found to PROVE all these accusations.

[Luke Davis]

Good morning all. John Q. Kelly was on Greta last night and it was a bit interesting. John hadn't talked to Beth recently and Greta kept asking questions John couldn't answer.

John was a little mysterious about the investigation continuing by Aruba and Netherlands LE. There is new information which John wants to talk to Beth about.

Seems Greta and Beth visited a police station that is now closed and being used to store beach patrol equipment.

I think Beth is/has been on GMA again this morning.

JQK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsrewa68GXI)

[fairmaiden]

Funny, so far in 2 interviews with GMA...no mention of kidnapping from the interviewer or Beth. All the garbage, IMO, posted by Greta about her answer seeking :rolleyes: publicity junket to Aruba....funny, no mention of kidnapping. (But Beth did have to get an OK from JQK...:rolleyes: ) Interview last night with JQK....no mention of kidnapping. Greta's come on spiel to get viewers for tonight....a whole hour with BHT....no mention of kidnapping. No mention either of Aruba funding North Koreas nuclear program or other such transgressions.

So what was the title of the book about? (Besides getting money from another lurid accusation?)

IMO

I can't IMAGINE what the title of the book was about, ortiga. That title appears to be a "scam" , just to get people to buy the book. It appears from the cover of that book, that the TRUTH is going to be told about the "Kidnapping in Aruba".

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Good morning all. John Q. Kelly was on Greta last night and it was a bit interesting. John hadn't talked to Beth recently and Greta kept asking questions John couldn't answer.

John was a little mysterious about the investigation continuing by Aruba and Netherlands LE. There is new information which John wants to talk to Beth about.

Seems Greta and Beth visited a police station that is now closed and being used to store beach patrol equipment.

I think Beth is/has been on GMA again this morning.

JQK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsrewa68GXI)

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

I'm assuming JQK didn't say what this "new information" was?? What REALLY strikes me about all this now is the "tease factor" .... from Beth advertising the "TRUTH" about the kidnapping .... to Greta "teasing" us about the video of the police station .... to JQK's statement about "new information".

What strikes me also, from your post, is how JQK seems to have lost touch with Beth. I could be misinterpreting that, obviously, but if true, how can that be ?? Isn't this still an active investigation??

JMO

[SukiJane]

Yes Suki .... All of us know why they are under suspicion. No one disputes that. No one has been CHARGED with any crime. I'm accusing one person of making these accusations WITHOUT ANY PROOF. I understand .... PROOF .... seems to go "out the window" for you. You don't seem to require any. I'm accusing one person of appearing on television COUNTLESS times .... not stating that ALE arrested them .... but stating, as fact that the kidnap, rape, murder occurred.

JMO

Personally, I'm stunned, after this length of time .... nothing has been found to PROVE all these accusations.

Personally I am stunned that there is not one shred of evidence of an alive Natalee anywhere after getting into the car with Joran and the Kalpoes. This is quite disturbing to me.

jmo

[ortiga]

I can't IMAGINE what the title of the book was about, ortiga. That title appears to be a "scam" , just to get people to buy the book. It appears from the cover of that book, that the TRUTH is going to be told about the "Kidnapping in Aruba".

JMO

The most intriguing thing I've heard about the book is what Terry posted yesterday paraphrased that Beth says that quote marks don't mean that something is being quoted....they are just for "readability". lol You betcha.

[fairmaiden]

Personally I am stunned that there is not one shred of evidence of an alive Natalee anywhere after getting into the car with Joran and the Kalpoes. This is quite disturbing to me.

jmo

ALL of it is disturbing to me. Maybe it's just me, but I would think evidence has to be produced pointing to her death, before accusations can be put forth as to her "murderers".

JMO

[ortiga]

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

I'm assuming JQK didn't say what this "new information" was?? What REALLY strikes me about all this now is the "tease factor" .... from Beth advertising the "TRUTH" about the kidnapping .... to Greta "teasing" us about the video of the police station .... to JQK's statement about "new information".

What strikes me also, from your post, is how JQK seems to have lost touch with Beth. I could be misinterpreting that, obviously, but if true, how can that be ?? Isn't this still an active investigation??

JMO

Maybe JQK has to go through a PR rep now.....Ramsey?

Maybe some day there will be a REAL interview about the book:

Uh, Beth, was that really Natalee's journal, or was it some old school papers you found in her closet. Beth, gonna sell those now?

Beth, what's with this about North Korea, you know, the interview with the SOS. This has to do with Natalee's disappearance in what way?

Beth, were you entrusted to Natalee's care? Or was that a Freudian slip of the tongue.

Beth, how can you use quotes in a book if the person didn't really say the words? Since when are quotes used for readability?

Beth, why was there a drink huggie from C&C in your family cabin? And why did it give you a start? Had you already heard from some relatives or students or chaparones that Natalee had been partying in C&C?

Beth, where is the proof of your being stopped by the troopers? And Beth, why did you tell 2 different stories about the last time you saw Natalee?

Beth, why didn't you alert Natalee's father that she was missing? He could have flown to Aruba on the extra seat left for Natalee. Don't you think it was important that he know that she had uh, been kidnapped?

Beth, your book is subtitled the truth about the Aruba kidnapping? What is the truth and why have you not shared these data with the FBI, Dutch, ALE?

Beth, where is the accounting from the funds that you set up to get money from the public? At least the McCanns give a public accounting. Where's yours?

Etc. What a farce. And Greta has sure lost what little luster she had.

IMO

[ortiga]

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1191399527281350.xml&coll=2

For a belly laugh before lunch, check out the "tale".

"Holloway got out and walked from cross to cross,"

But on hour of power she said she crawled on her knees.

"People bought first rights to excerpt the book"

But, GMA beat them to it, lol

"Holloway tells how Natalee's disappearance overwhelmed her marriage to Jug Twitty and helped cause their divorce."

?????

"She was 18, and newly graduated from Mountain Brook High School, when she joined close to 100 classmates on the unofficial senior trip."

I thought it was 140?

" Holloway recounts the story teenage suspect Joran van der Sloot told outside his house in Aruba just days after Natalee disappeared. Aruban police and several Holloway friends from Birmingham were present, she writes, when van der Sloot described a sexual encounter with Natalee right down to the color of her underwear and a description of her pubic area.

"I know what he's referring to," Holloway writes. "Dear God. He has been with her."

But those details were from the purloined PVs. What a liar she is. IMO

"She tells of searching for Natalee in Aruban crack houses and engaging any stranger who offered to help. One, a self-described clairvoyant named Charles, started asking Holloway about her own sex life."

AAAAAH so Charles was a "stranger" who offered help. Kind of a step down from being called by Beth to intercept a phone message apparently from Natalee. And started asking HER about her own SEX LIFE? GMAB

"She offers safety tips to travelers and explains why she wrote the book. "It's important for me to tell you what happened, how it happened, how I felt and how I reacted along this tragic journey," she writes. "And to finally answer the questions I've been asked a thousand times."

Unfortunately she keeps getting asked questions because she changes her answers so often.

In my opinion she is a horrible person, capitalizing on her daughter's disappearance, and still lying to explain away her previous "inconsistencies".

WHAT IS SHE HIDING? MB INVOLVEMENT?

IMO

[terrysdoor]

Thanks for keeping me in line. I stand corrected...according to Greta, Beth didn't have the time to meet with Anita. I still have to wonder why Anita needs Greta to be involved with a meeting between her and Beth.

jmo

Good Afternoon everybody........"catching up" maybe Suki it is because Greta was with Beth when they went there to give out prayer cards IMO

[terrysdoor]

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

I'm assuming JQK didn't say what this "new information" was?? What REALLY strikes me about all this now is the "tease factor" .... from Beth advertising the "TRUTH" about the kidnapping .... to Greta "teasing" us about the video of the police station .... to JQK's statement about "new information".

What strikes me also, from your post, is how JQK seems to have lost touch with Beth. I could be misinterpreting that, obviously, but if true, how can that be ?? Isn't this still an active investigation??

JMO

now to me if he has "new information" and wants to talk to Beth what would be the hold up?did Greta not say or somebody that they ask JQK if Beth could go to Aruba?this case just gets more confussing? IMO

[Luke Davis]

Funny, so far in 2 interviews with GMA...no mention of kidnapping from the interviewer or Beth. All the garbage, IMO, posted by Greta about her answer seeking :rolleyes: publicity junket to Aruba....funny, no mention of kidnapping. (But Beth did have to get an OK from JQK...:rolleyes: ) Interview last night with JQK....no mention of kidnapping. Greta's come on spiel to get viewers for tonight....a whole hour with BHT....no mention of kidnapping. No mention either of Aruba funding North Koreas nuclear program or other such transgressions.

So what was the title of the book about? (Besides getting money from another lurid accusation?)

IMO

To be fair... People Magazine has exclusive rights until Friday. Beth can't talk about certain things until People Magazine hits the racks. Link on For Natalee thread.

[Heyes]

Really? Then why do you think she contacted Greta of all people. According to what was reported Anita wanted Greta to call her. Wonder why she didn't just ask for Beth to call her. Why is it now Beth didn't have time? Remember: Anita contacted Greta via e-mail, and wanted Greta to call her, not Beth.
jmo

Catching up,
lol anita got snubbed! lol lol lol

I Don't blame Greta or Beth or anyone else for that matter. She lies as much as her son. Other than whining about how she is the victim what could she possibly contribute? I bet Greta and Beth giggled about Anita's email too! lol lol lol
IMO
Beth would be insane to sit and talk to that woman, glad they blew her off. If anita has anything to say, she can talk to JQK,no need to bother Beth. I think she's had enough of the vd's
unbelievable.
just goes to show you, when the camera's are on..a vandersloot wants in on the action.
Hmmmm I still say there are other places to vacation, no need to waste money on aruba. nope no reason at all.
Glad to see the bright light is back on the island. too funny
aruba will never escape what they've created. too bad, so sad.

[fairmaiden]

Catching up,
lol anita got snubbed! lol lol lol

I Don't blame Greta or Beth or anyone else for that matter. She lies as much as her son. Other than whining about how she is the victim what could she possibly contribute? I bet Greta and Beth giggled about Anita's email too! lol lol lol
IMO
Beth would be insane to sit and talk to that woman, glad they blew her off. If anita has anything to say, she can talk to JQK,no need to bother Beth. I think she's had enough of the vd's
unbelievable.
just goes to show you, when the camera's are on..a vandersloot wants in on the action.
Hmmmm I still say there are other places to vacation, no need to waste money on aruba. nope no reason at all.
Glad to see the bright light is back on the island. too funny
aruba will never escape what they've created. too bad, so sad.

I'm not sure which category to put Greta in, to be sure .... but .... do you really think she "giggled about Anita's email too"?? I always thought Greta was about the TRUTH .... no matter what that was. Frankly, I don't think ANY of this is worthy of any giggles ....

JMO

[cassidy]

Thanks for keeping me in line. I stand corrected...according to Greta, Beth didn't have the time to meet with Anita. I still have to wonder why Anita needs Greta to be involved with a meeting between her and Beth.

jmo

Possibly because she knows how to get in touch with Greta and has no way of getting in touch with Mrs Twitty? My guess would be that Greta gave her her card.

Just guessing here.

[terrysdoor]

I'm not sure which category to put Greta in, to be sure .... but .... do you really think she "giggled about Anita's email too"?? I always thought Greta was about the TRUTH .... no matter what that was. Frankly, I don't think ANY of this is worthy of any giggles ....

JMO

Fair i agree about Greta today on her blog she has a picture of Aruba and talks about how beautiful it is.....

also last night on tv i don`t know what show she was on but she said only a handful of people in Aruba were hostile torwards them that everyone else was very nice something to that effect....

also i thought the e-mail came from someone asking her to call Anita IMO

[Heyes]

I'm not sure which category to put Greta in, to be sure .... but .... do you really think she "giggled about Anita's email too"?? I always thought Greta was about the TRUTH .... no matter what that was. Frankly, I don't think ANY of this is worthy of any giggles ....

JMO

You always thought "Greta was about the TRUTH"?



really?



I would have giggled at anita's attempt to nose in on some tv face time. Seems anita is working overtime when it comes to damage control, what's she afraid of? Why would she want to be involved with Beth and Greta's project?
Does anita follow Beths every move?
What could she possibly have to say?
We've heard alot about and from joran since her last, *my boy's a good sporter, he would never.....blah blah blah*, interview. Who would even believe her even if somebody did give her another chance???
We're sorry she ended up in this situation but her son and husband and even her own actions caused it!
Don't know what to tell her. :shrug:

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Possibly because she knows how to get in touch with Greta and has no way of getting in touch with Mrs Twitty? My guess would be that Greta gave her her card.

Just guessing here.Hi cassidy, I think you are correct. Even I could email Greta or post on her blog.

Beth has gotten divorced and moved, I doubt she gave Anita her new information. Of course, if I was desperate I might try emailing her foundation but who knows if Beth reads any of that?

IIRC Greta didn't announce where she was staying but word got out (see video on For Natalee thread). The easiest way to make contact sounds like email to me.

[Heyes]

Possibly because she knows how to get in touch with Greta and has no way of getting in touch with Mrs Twitty? My guess would be that Greta gave her her card.

Just guessing here.

She knows how to get in touch with Beth.
The vandersloots know who her attorney is.

[Luke Davis]

Diario has announced they will conduct their own search. Starting Thursday or Friday.

[fairmaiden]

You always thought "Greta was about the TRUTH"?



really?



I would have giggled at anita's attempt to nose in on some tv face time. Seems anita is working overtime when it comes to damage control, what's she afraid of? Why would she want to be involved with Beth and Greta's project?
Does anita follow Beths every move?
What could she possibly have to say?
We've heard alot about and from joran since her last, *my boy's a good sporter, he would never.....blah blah blah*, interview. Who would even believe her even if somebody did give her another chance???
We're sorry she ended up in this situation but her son and husband and even her own actions caused it!
Don't know what to tell her. :shrug:

IMO

Is Greta NOT about finding out the truth ???? If not .... then why would she be involved at all?? Unless of course, it's STRICTLY for ratings.

Surely you're not going to get into a discussion about "face time", are you?? I thought it was a simple request to talk to Beth ....who said she was "afraid" of anything ?? Beth and Greta's "project" .... what WAS their project ?? To visit C&C's, and a police station that's no longer there ??

"Give her another chance" .... I don't understand that statement. Perhaps you can elaborate.

Yes .... I AM sorry she ended up in this situation . I would be sorry for ANY parent in this situation.

I don't think she was requesting to talk to YOU .... so I don't believe YOU have to tell her anything.

JMO

[ortiga]

Hi cassidy, I think you are correct. Even I could email Greta or post on her blog.

Beth has gotten divorced and moved, I doubt she gave Anita her new information. Of course, if I was desperate I might try emailing her foundation but who knows if Beth reads any of that?

IIRC Greta didn't announce where she was staying but word got out (see video on For Natalee thread). The easiest way to make contact sounds like email to me.


She might have gotten Beth's attention through the foundation if she had made a large enough deposit.

[HiLife]

Well if that is true, is Anita trying to bully or manipulate Beth into meeting with her? Hmmm, kinda reminds me of Joran's character, maybe he gets it from his mother.

What do you think she has to say that's so important?

jmo

Oh, Ugh. Can you imagine, the guy who is suspected of raping, kidnappng and murdering her daughter - well, his mommy wants to speak with Beth. Huh? I would meet with her only if she was to FINALLY come clean with the TRUTH. Something that does not exist in the Vander Sloot family vocabulary.

IMO

[HiLife]

Catching up,
lol anita got snubbed! lol lol lol

I Don't blame Greta or Beth or anyone else for that matter. She lies as much as her son. Other than whining about how she is the victim what could she possibly contribute? I bet Greta and Beth giggled about Anita's email too! lol lol lol
IMO
Beth would be insane to sit and talk to that woman, glad they blew her off. If anita has anything to say, she can talk to JQK,no need to bother Beth. I think she's had enough of the vd's
unbelievable.
just goes to show you, when the camera's are on..a vandersloot wants in on the action.
Hmmmm I still say there are other places to vacation, no need to waste money on aruba. nope no reason at all.
Glad to see the bright light is back on the island. too funny
aruba will never escape what they've created. too bad, so sad.

Can you imagine sitting down with this suspected-murderer's enabler? What a laugh. The Vander Sloots keep trying to make themselves out to be in some kind of "innocent" position here.

You're so right, how about Anita calling JQK with her final version of the truth? Or does she just like to recount the disgustingly lurid details her son likes to entertain her with - like she told to Greta and Beth? If it was enough for Greta to want to crawl under a table, makes you wonder what she and Joran enjoy discussing? Sickos.

IMO

[HiLife]

She might have gotten Beth's attention through the foundation if she had made a large enough deposit.

Conversely, to get Anita's attention, Beth would just have to bake a pie. IMO.

[ortiga]

Oh, Ugh. Can you imagine, the guy who is suspected of raping, kidnappng and murdering her daughter - well, his mommy wants to speak with Beth. Huh? I would meet with her only if she was to FINALLY come clean with the TRUTH. Something that does not exist in the Vander Sloot family vocabulary.

IMO


That's a good catch 22. Tell the person that you want the truth from them before you will speak to them. Then, if they don't tell you what you want to hear ahead of time, refuse to speak with them at all. Then you can say they would never had told you the truth.
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Does Ms. Holloway mention the word "kidnapping" in the book?

[Luke Davis]

Oh, Ugh. Can you imagine, the guy who is suspected of raping, kidnappng and murdering her daughter - well, his mommy wants to speak with Beth. Huh? I would meet with her only if she was to FINALLY come clean with the TRUTH. Something that does not exist in the Vander Sloot family vocabulary.

IMOI think part of the attraction of this case is the unusual interplay between the possible victim's family and the suspects' families.

We may never know but I have a feeling Anita just wanted to give Beth a hug and wish her well.

[HiLife]

Dirty fingers because her mom ironed for her? These comments are just getting more and more bizzare.

Anita has her head so far up her ... that she either can't see the truth or she flat doesn't care. She said 100%:

Joran would never smoke (proven to be a lie in a recent interview)

Joran would never do drugs (proven a lie by him using another's urine in a prison drug test)

Joran doesn't lie, only tries to "cover up a bit" (proven a lie EVERYWHERE)

Was she the one that said Joran only gambles in free tournaments ? (proven a lie by the blackjack video)

What has been revealed of Joran's character in this case has proved him to be anything but the good little sporter/average teen Anita (and supporters) claims him to be. If this was my son I would have sent him much further from the home than the backyard. An extreme boot camp would have been good. But then Anita would not have gotten her daily dose of *pat, pat, rub, rub..good little pet*.

Oh Well...**yawn**....there have been a mountain of proven lies from that side of the case and NONE of them matter.......the victim and family MUST be attacked (it is the ONLY defense).
imo

This deserves a BUMP, NN! Extreme Boot Camp.....LOLOL!!!

Poor Anita, so deluded. Doesn't look like Paulus pays her frumpy little self too much attention - at least not like Joran did. She must be missing her *pat,pat,rub,rub....good little pet* from her favorite sporter now that he's away at college.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

That's a good catch 22. Tell the person that you want the truth from them before you will speak to them. Then, if they don't tell you what you want to hear ahead of time, refuse to speak with them at all. Then you can say they would never had told you the truth.
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Does Ms. Holloway mention the word "kidnapping" in the book?

I wonder if when Beth meets Anita it will look like this?














http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/WaruiGouki/pikaslap3iu.gif

[HiLife]

I think part of the attraction of this case is the unusual interplay between the possible victim's family and the suspects' families.

We may never know but I have a feeling Anita just wanted to give Beth a hug and wish her well.

Oh, Luke. Your sense of humor brightens my day!! :)

[HiLife]

I wonder if when Beth meets Anita it will look like this?


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/WaruiGouki/pikaslap3iu.gif

:tongue: Could be........ROFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ortiga]

snipped Or does she just like to recount the disgustingly lurid details her son likes to entertain her with - like she told to Greta and Beth? If it was enough for Greta to want to crawl under a table, makes you wonder what she and Joran enjoy discussing? Sickos.

IMO

Gotcha! Go back and read Terry's report of the book......BETH was the one that told Anita and Paulus about the gory details of the makeout session between Joran and Natalee. BETH's words made Greta want to crawl under the table, not Anitas.

BTW, I hear that Ms. Beth actually tells in her book, which finger Joran was using on Natalee in their makeout session. Suppose that has something to do with Beth supposedly "Loving Natalee"? And that she mentions other very personal details of Natalee's body in the book. Scratching my head here....how would that contribute to her showing respect and love for her missing daughter?

IMO

[ortiga]

I wonder if when Beth meets Anita it will look like this?














http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/WaruiGouki/pikaslap3iu.gif


yep, with Beth (on the right) being the one hitting and punching and being aggressive. IMO

BTW, apparently she says in the book that Natalee was "passive aggressive". IMO That goes further to show her love for her daughter.

[HiLife]

Gotcha! Go back and read Terry's report of the book......BETH was the one that told Anita and Paulus about the gory details of the makeout session between Joran and Natalee. BETH's words made Greta want to crawl under the table, not Anitas.

BTW, I hear that Ms. Beth actually tells in her book, which finger Joran was using on Natalee in their makeout session. Suppose that has something to do with Beth supposedly "Loving Natalee"? And that she mentions other very personal details of Natalee's body in the book. Scratching my head here....how would that contribute to her showing respect and love for her missing daughter?

IMO

Is this a repeat post? I do not care to discuss a fixation with Joran's sexual proclivities. I don't even know why you'd write such a thing....TWICE.

BETH is recounting in her book her daughter's ordeal at the hands of the suspected murderer, rapist and kidnapper.....what is your excuse for repeatedly posting this. BLECH!

imo

[HiLife]

yep, with Beth (on the right) being the one hitting and punching and being agressive. IMO

BTW, apparently she says in the book that Natalee was "passive agressive". IMO That goes further to show her love for her daughter.

They look more like two Anitas. IMO

Seems Anita wears "the pants" in the family (after Joran, of course, but now that he's gone, it's Anita), so she would proabably be the aggressive one. IMO

[ortiga]

Is this a repeat post? I do not care to discuss a fixation with Joran's sexual proclivities. I don't even know why you'd write such a thing....TWICE.

BETH is recounting in her book her daughter's ordeal at the hands of the suspected murderer, rapist and kidnapper.....what is your excuse for repeatedly posting this. BLECH!

imo

You posted misinformation about Anita saying things that made Greta want to get under the table. When, ÄTB (according to Beth), it was her that brought the details of the finger being used, the embroidered panties, etc, to the VDS table. You should correct your misinformation, IMO.

And, lol, you think I should not mention, on this board, what Twitty has published in a BOOK???????
lol.

In what way was she showing her love for Natalee to repeat the lurid details of the make out session in the back seat in Aruba? That's "LOVING NATALEE"? Beth is sick, absolutely cruel, mean, and hideous IMO to do things like that to Natalee. And, according to someone who has read the book, Beth does call Natalee "PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE". IMO

[HiLife]

You posted misinformation about Anita saying things that made Greta want to get under the table.

<snipping indecencies>

IMO

You must have missed the IMO in my posts, and btw, the post was what happened, IIRC.

Sorry, but I had to snip the lurid, sexual posting. I will not respond to blatant sexual obscenities, especially posted as misinformation. It is highly inappropriate Crime Library discussion.

You can reel that juicy fat worm back in, cuz I ain't biting. :seeya:

IMO

[ortiga]

You must have missed the IMO in my posts, and btw, the post was what happened, IIRC.

Sorry, but I had to snip the lurid, sexual posting. I will not respond to blatant sexual obscenities, especially posted as misinformation. It is highly inappropriate Crime Library discussion.

You can reel that juicy fat worm back in, cuz I ain't biting. :seeya:

IMO

Terry, a poster on here has reported what Beth said in the book. And, Beth says that BETH was the one that repeated those sexual details to Anita and Paulus, not Anita. Therefore, IMO, Greta wanted to crawl under the table because of what Beth was relating, not what Anita was relating. You stated it exactly the opposite, in fact it seemed like one of your posts from the past before we learned what Beth has said in the book.

Also we've heard that Beth, (according to Beth) at the internet cafe, was asking the suspect Deepak about the embroidery on Natalee's panties :eek:

All of this lurid sexual stuff is coming FROM Beth, is published in a book by Harper, and she is doing a bunch of interviews talking about her faith and so forth.

Mainly what I am saying is that she is presenting her book as a spiritual one filled with faith and all about "loving Natalee". But, the gory lurid details she repeats in the book hardly show a love for Natalee, IMO. There is no reason to publish those little tidbits about how the teens made out. I wonder if she would have ever said any of that about Natalee if Natalee was still around her, and I wonder if she is saying those horrid things about Natalee because she knows, in her heart, and many of US know too, that Natalee wouldn't come back even if she could. IMO

You didn't answer my question.....Does Beth explain in the book about the truth about the kidnapping and its aftermath? Does she mention "kidnapping" or was that just a cover detail to sell books? There is a name for that, isn't there.....advertising something that doesn't exist?

IMO

[ortiga]

Terrys door are you still around? Someone is reporting that Beth says exactly this in the last chapter of her book:

"However, Natalee can't take all the blame for the failure of this marriage"

I would like to know if this is really in the book?

This is a *rumor* that is being reported by another reader of the book.

TIA

IMO

[Luke Davis]

My producer in NYC who is editing some of the tape we shot at Carlos’ N Charlies so that we can show it just told me that the music playing while we were inside looking around was Cyndi Lauper’s Girls Just Want To Have Fun. This certainly is not what Beth and I felt - we did not feel “fun” but distressed and determined….distressed that Natalee disappeared and that the family still does not have answers…and determined to try and learn new information. What is interesting to me is that we were so intent on trying to see things, trying to piece together what we were observing etc. that I was completely oblivious to the content of the music playing. I never “heard” it - the music content never registered with me. I have not spoken to Beth since learning about the music you will hear in the background of this portion of our show tonight…but I am sure she is like I am and never heard it. We were so focused on Natalee that I never heard it…

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/carlos.jpg

Interesting things (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

The View Gives Away TWO FREE TRIPS to Aruba
by Greta Van Susteren

[ortiga]

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/carlos.jpg

Interesting things (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

The View Gives Away TWO FREE TRIPS to Aruba
by Greta Van Susteren


Girls just wanna have fun. Hilarious!!! a 22 year old song, older than Natalee, that Greta and Beth were just so serious, so studious to miss. After all they just went to C&C for sleuthing reasons. What was that again about a C&C drink huggie in Beth's cabin!!! LMAO!!

Didn't Greta just give away 5 or more free trips to Aruba?

This is SOOO funny. Greta wire is outing RL info about posters, and Greta is pretending to pay attention to all that uh, monkey business.

IMO

[Heyes]

Is Greta NOT about finding out the truth ???? If not .... then why would she be involved at all?? Unless of course, it's STRICTLY for ratings.

Surely you're not going to get into a discussion about "face time", are you?? I thought it was a simple request to talk to Beth ....who said she was "afraid" of anything ?? Beth and Greta's "project" .... what WAS their project ?? To visit C&C's, and a police station that's no longer there ??

"Give her another chance" .... I don't understand that statement. Perhaps you can elaborate.

Yes .... I AM sorry she ended up in this situation . I would be sorry for ANY parent in this situation.

I don't think she was requesting to talk to YOU .... so I don't believe YOU have to tell her anything.

JMO


lol too funny.
Just heard jqk on greta, he said aruba and the dutch are still working on the case. That joran satish and deepak officially are still the primary suspects.
There is nothing anita could have said worth while, I'm sure Beth and Greta not to mention the producers of On the record, felt, would whatever she had to say wouldn't of been of any value or they would have made the time to interview her. Like I said, anita probably only wanted to get face time to whine and cry about how she and her family are victims.
Greta also mentioned that it seemed most of the negative comments about Beth come from aruba. yeah we guessed that.
I still have the picture in my mind of anita sitting at her computer typing away trying to convince message board posters that her sporter is really a pleasant fellow and everything is Beths fault . lol
IMO

[Luke Davis]

lol too funny.
Just heard jqk on greta, he said aruba and the dutch are still working on the case. That joran satish and deepak officially are still the primary suspects.
There is nothing anita could have said worth while, I'm sure Beth and Greta not to mention the producers of On the record, felt, would whatever she had to say wouldn't of been of any value or they would have made the time to interview her. Like I said, anita probably only wanted to get face time to whine and cry about how she and her family are victims.
Greta also mentioned that it seemed most of the negative comments about Beth come from aruba. yeah we guessed that.
I still have the picture in my mind of anita sitting at her computer typing away trying to convince message board posters that her sporter is really a pleasant fellow and everything is Beths fault . lol
IMO

I thought it was interesting when Greta asked about Beth haters as if they were all from Aruba. JQK gave a very interesting answer.

[Heyes]

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The View Gives Away TWO FREE TRIPS to Aruba
by Greta Van Susteren



anyone else notice the big FOR RENT sign sitting on top of carlos and charlies?

LMAO!
Even giving the rooms away won't keep this place open for business.
Maybe the ale should have allowed the FBI and the Dutch in earlier, maybe had they locked up these kidnappers, rapers and murderers aruba wouldn't be feeling the pinch it is suffering now. Too bad so sad.
IMO

[HiLife]

lol too funny.
Just heard jqk on greta, he said aruba and the dutch are still working on the case. That joran satish and deepak officially are still the primary suspects.
There is nothing anita could have said worth while, I'm sure Beth and Greta not to mention the producers of On the record, felt, would whatever she had to say wouldn't of been of any value or they would have made the time to interview her. Like I said, anita probably only wanted to get face time to whine and cry about how she and her family are victims.
Greta also mentioned that it seemed most of the negative comments about Beth come from aruba. yeah we guessed that.
I still have the picture in my mind of anita sitting at her computer typing away trying to convince message board posters that her sporter is really a pleasant fellow and everything is Beths fault . lol
IMO

Thanks for the update, Heyes! Good to see ya!

I totally agree with Beth and Greta's decision not to give Ole Anita a Victim Platform. She is the last person I'd want to hear from in this case. Wasn't she going to write a book? Did the backlash against her son's work of fiction deter her? lolol!!!! Wise move.

IMO

[HiLife]

anyone else notice the big FOR RENT sign sitting on top of carlos and charlies?

LMAO!
Even giving the rooms away won't keep this place open for business.
Maybe the ale should have allowed the FBI and the Dutch in earlier, maybe had they locked up these kidnappers, rapers and murderers aruba wouldn't be feeling the pinch it is suffering now. Too bad so sad.
IMO

I noticed the FOR RENT sign, too!!! All that rumored funny business happening in there....

IMO

[chambord]

Hi Folks

Its been awhile since I have visited here, but seeing John Q on TV the other night and hearing about Beth and Greta's return to Aruba, it sparked my interest once again.

Have you all visited Greta'swire tonight, it was quite interesting to say the least.

moo

[HiLife]

Hi Folks

Its been awhile since I have visited here, but seeing John Q on TV the other night and hearing about Beth and Greta's return to Aruba, it sparked my interest once again.

Have you all visited Greta'swire tonight, it was quite interesting to say the least.

moo

Hey Chammy!!!:seeya:

Good to see you! Thanks for the info...going to gretawire now.

[HiLife]

Hi Folks

Its been awhile since I have visited here, but seeing John Q on TV the other night and hearing about Beth and Greta's return to Aruba, it sparked my interest once again.

Have you all visited Greta'swire tonight, it was quite interesting to say the least.

moo

LOLOL!!! Looks like RU went ballistic on Greta!! CharlieRat posted TWICE! Greta must be scratching her head over all the hate! LOLOLOL!!!

imo

[chambord]

Hey Chammy!!!:seeya:

Good to see you! Thanks for the info...going to gretawire now.

Its like old times to see so many bright, shiny faces. I always think of you guys, and this case has a special spot in my heart and memory bank.

[Luke Davis]

Greta just started and it is interesting. Right off, Greta asked why people hate Beth. Beth thinks they are all from Aruba.