Here is the Link to Conner or Laci Floating..

[Cadillakin]

http://kron4.com/Global/story.asp?s=%20%201236699

A couple of things to remember.. It cannot be positively confirmed that the sighting mentioned within was Laci or Conner... as the body seen was not immediately recovered.. and not enough information was given to decipher if it was more likely Conner or Laci. There is a remote chance that it wasn't either Conner or Laci, but I doubt it. I DID search pretty diligently to see if ANOTHER body was found in April or May.. without success. Laci and Conner were the only ones in that timeframe. Nothing. Only them.

The article was published Wednesday, April 16, 2003 and references the previous Sunday which was April 13... That was the day Conners body was found. Laci's was found the next day.

I figured the reason that it wasn't connected to the Peterson case was that it was probably filed by the reporter a couple of days before or the editors may not have made the connection as the EMPHASIS of this article was the Bay Currents.

[TopGunner]

http://kron4.com/Global/story.asp?s=%20%201236699

A couple of things to remember.. It cannot be positively confirmed that the sighting mentioned within was Laci or Conner... as the body seen was not immediately recovered.. and not enough information was given to decipher if it was more likely Conner or Laci. There is a remote chance that it wasn't either Conner or Laci, but I doubt it. I DID search pretty diligently to see if ANOTHER body was found in April or May.. without success. Laci and Conner were the only ones in that timeframe. Nothing. Only them.

The article was published Wednesday, April 16, 2003 and references the previous Sunday which was April 13... That was the day Conners body was found. Laci's was found the next day.

I figured the reason that it wasn't connected to the Peterson case was that it was probably filed by the reporter a couple of days before or the editors may not have made the connection as the EMPHASIS of this article was the Bay Currents.


"We've had calls from passersby," says sergeant Danny Lopez. "They had seen a body floating last Sunday. Between our boat going on the scene within 20 minutes and commencing the search, we searched for two hours and we were unable to locate the person."

WOW CADI!!!!!! Thanks so much for posting this - I can't believe more attention wasn't given to this, seems like it flew under the radar...WOW !!!

[accordn2me]

Is it possible this was the mind boggling missing placenta? :eek:

[adnoid]

Is it possible this was the mind boggling missing placenta? :eek:

Well, it depends how much it takes for the mind in question to be boggled. Some are trivial to boggle.

[Lavindar]

http://kron4.com/Global/story.asp?s=%20%201236699

A couple of things to remember.. It cannot be positively confirmed that the sighting mentioned within was Laci or Conner... as the body seen was not immediately recovered.. and not enough information was given to decipher if it was more likely Conner or Laci. There is a remote chance that it wasn't either Conner or Laci, but I doubt it. I DID search pretty diligently to see if ANOTHER body was found in April or May.. without success. Laci and Conner were the only ones in that timeframe. Nothing. Only them.

The article was published Wednesday, April 16, 2003 and references the previous Sunday which was April 13... That was the day Conners body was found. Laci's was found the next day.

I figured the reason that it wasn't connected to the Peterson case was that it was probably filed by the reporter a couple of days before or the editors may not have made the connection as the EMPHASIS of this article was the Bay Currents.

Great link and it only goes to prove what we've been saying all along - the bottom of the bay hides a lot of stuff.

[deputydi]

WOW, Cadi -- I thought I had heard everything there was to hear about this case. This is the first NEW news I've heard in a couple of years. I can't believe I'm reading this for the first time.

I wonder if this is part of the information Scott found when he googled Bay currents???
Police investigators say right off the Berkeley Marina, the tides just rip through. If a body were dumped in the area there's no telling where it could end up. Especially if the body was weighted down on purpose.

[TopGunner]

This isn't about the article w/the body floating, but since this thread is covering something not well known, I wanted to touch on something I've said before. At that time, nobody really commented on it, and I never knew if that was because it was no big deal, or if it was just scanned over...BUT!

The gun ISP had in the glove compartment of his car: He lied to his parents, telling them the police found it in the house. I believe he originally told the LE he had used to gun to go Phesant hunting a month earlier - evidently the gun belonged to Lee, who said he knew nothing about it the hunting a month earlier. I could be foggy on some of this, if I am, I'll go look it up...

My point back then, or I should say my suspicion back then was that ISP had a gun in his glove compartment in case Laci stirred, or in case someone stopped him with the body in the truck.... I said back then, I believe HE WAS WILLING TO KILL AGAIN.

Did anyone else have thoughts on that gun?

[deputydi]

This isn't about the article w/the body floating, but since this thread is covering something not well known, I wanted to touch on something I've said before. At that time, nobody really commented on it, and I never knew if that was because it was no big deal, or if it was just scanned over...BUT!

The gun ISP had in the glove compartment of his car: He lied to his parents, telling them the police found it in the house. I believe he originally told the LE he had used to gun to go Phesant hunting a month earlier - evidently the gun belonged to Lee, who said he knew nothing about it the hunting a month earlier. I could be foggy on some of this, if I am, I'll go look it up...

My point back then, or I should say my suspicion back then was that ISP had a gun in his glove compartment in case Laci stirred, or in case someone stopped him with the body in the truck.... I said back then, I believe HE WAS WILLING TO KILL AGAIN.

Did anyone else have thoughts on that gun?
I don't remember too many details about LE finding the gun. I DO remember the NGs at the time saying that it was confiscated illegally and making a big to-do about it. Was the gun loaded when found?

I never understood why Scott would keep a gun (whether loaded or unloaded) in the glove compartment of his vehicle. It's careless, at best, and suspicious, at worst.

[Cadillakin]

WOW, Cadi -- I thought I had heard everything there was to hear about this case. This is the first NEW news I've heard in a couple of years. I can't believe I'm reading this for the first time.
It's pretty easy to miss. This is the ONLY reference online to that floating body report. Oddly, I found it by accident. In my efforts to convince an SII that the ocean floor could not be searched sufficiently to find a body, I came across this article. Note at the very last part.. that reference is made to a car falling into the Bay, divers swarming the area where it went in, and ultimately, they couldn't even find the car, which was buried!. Of course, this fact made no impact at all on the SII, as they never really care about anything other than Scott was having an affair, thus he was railroaded into jail.

Nevertheless, I took up the argument about the difficulty of scouring the ocean floor looking for a body again some time later. The second time, I read this article more thoroughly. And then I found it... Oh, my. That's gotta be Laci. In itself, no big thing, because we know before she arrived on the shoreline, she was drifting, but it sure puts a dent in some of the NG's theories.. doesn't it? Well, I posted it a couple of times and it had very little impact on the group.. And as you can see, very little discussion here... The NG's won't touch it, of course, so discourse on this particular aspect of the Peterson case doesn't go very far..

[Cadillakin]

I don't remember too many details about LE finding the gun. I DO remember the NGs at the time saying that it was confiscated illegally and making a big to-do about it. Was the gun loaded when found?
Yes, the gun was loaded which is strictly illegal in California.

[TopGunner]

snip: The NG's won't touch it,

This alone speaks volumes. :cool:

[enlightenme]

I don't remember too many details about LE finding the gun. I DO remember the NGs at the time saying that it was confiscated illegally and making a big to-do about it. Was the gun loaded when found?

I never understood why Scott would keep a gun (whether loaded or unloaded) in the glove compartment of his vehicle. It's careless, at best, and suspicious, at worst.


Det. B. thought that Scott may have removed it in a hurry from a duffle bag that had fallen from a closet shelf. He remarked to SP on that first night that it looked like he had gotten something out of it and just left it on the floor. Scott said that he had taken out some tennis shoes that were on the counter.

I think Det. B. thought it was the gun and Scott put it in the glovebox while he was taking Laci's body to the warehouse and then the bay. Just in case he needed to scare someone (or even murder them, gasp!) if he was stopped.

JMO, from what I remember of the testimony. I'm too lazy to look it up right now. Maybe after more coffee....:D

[Lavindar]

I don't remember too many details about LE finding the gun. I DO remember the NGs at the time saying that it was confiscated illegally and making a big to-do about it. Was the gun loaded when found?

I never understood why Scott would keep a gun (whether loaded or unloaded) in the glove compartment of his vehicle. It's careless, at best, and suspicious, at worst.


Scott gave Brocchini permission to search his truck. The loaded gun was found in the glove compartment of the truck - allegedly left therr from a hunting trip i(I believe). Scott told him the gun either misfired or was jammed and didn't work. (It worked just fine when ballistics tested it).

The point is that it is illegal in CA to carry a loaded gun in a glove compartment without a permit to carry a concealed weapon (which Scott did not have, nor was he the regisstered owner of said gun.)

That is what I remember without double checking it.

The ONLY place is a vehicle you can legally carry a loaded weapon is IN THE TRUNK

And you do not hunt birda with a handgun.

[Cadillakin]

The ONLY place is a vehicle you can legally carry a loaded weapon is IN THE TRUNK
I think the law in California states that ammunition must be carried in a separate compartment from the firearm. I'm a gun owner, and that's a rule I've always followed. Maybe it's different if one has a permit.. I dunno. Adnoid will probably know.

[TopGunner]

I think the law in California states that ammunition must be carried in a separate compartment from the firearm. I'm a gun owner, and that's a rule I've always followed. Maybe it's different if one has a permit.. I dunno. Adnoid will probably know.

Thanks for the warning Cadi - let the record show that I agree in advance with everything you'll ever say. :patriot:

[Cadillakin]

Thanks for the warning Cadi - let the record show that I agree in advance with everything you'll ever say. :patriot:Hahaha.. That's Funny. I'm laughin

[deputydi]

Scott gave Brocchini permission to search his truck. The loaded gun was found in the glove compartment of the truck - allegedly left therr from a hunting trip i(I believe). Scott told him the gun either misfired or was jammed and didn't work. (It worked just fine when ballistics tested it).

The point is that it is illegal in CA to carry a loaded gun in a glove compartment without a permit to carry a concealed weapon (which Scott did not have, nor was he the regisstered owner of said gun.)

That is what I remember without double checking it.

The ONLY place is a vehicle you can legally carry a loaded weapon is IN THE TRUNK

And you do not hunt birda with a handgun.
I remember it the way you do. I just couldn't recall whether the gun was loaded. Thanks, everyone for jogging my memory.

[adnoid]

I think the law in California states that ammunition must be carried in a separate compartment from the firearm. I'm a gun owner, and that's a rule I've always followed. Maybe it's different if one has a permit.. I dunno. Adnoid will probably know.

Guns in the People's Republic of California. Part of the reason I moved. Here are some choice excerpts.

Contrary to popular belief, CCW permits are in fact issued within the State of California. The decision is made by appointed city law enforcement or elected county law enforcement. Cities generally defer the decision to the County Sheriff; therefore, the chance of issuance varies from county to county, and from elected Sheriff to elected Sheriff.


California State Constitution:

There are NO provisions related to the right to keep and bear arms in the California Constitution.

Penal Code 12001:

...a firearm shall be deemed to be "loaded" whenever both the firearm and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate possession of the same person...

Penal Code 12025:

* (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following:
* (1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person...

Penal Code 12031:

* (a)(1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.

Penal Code 12034:

* (a) It is a misdemeanor for a driver of any motor vehicle or the owner of any motor vehicle, whether or not the owner of the vehicle is occupying the vehicle, knowingly to permit any other person to carry into or bring into the vehicle a firearm in violation of Section 12031 of this code or Section 2006 of the Fish and Game Code...

Stanislaus County:

...CA DOJ records indicate there are 646 permits in this county as of 2005. County population as of 7/1/2000 = 451,025...

(I'm a big gun owner, both in the sense that I'm a big guy that owns guns and I'm a guy that owns big guns.)

In summary: The gun in Scott's glove box was an illegally carried concealed loaded weapon. The police legally confiscated it as contraband. In most cases what he did is a felony, there is one narrow exception in which it would be a misdemeanor, but EITHER WAY he committed a CRIME for having a loaded concealed gun in his vehicle. SLAM DUNK END OF STORY GOOD NIGHT THAT'S ALL FOLKS. LE does NOT issue receipts for the confiscation of contraband - they write reports, and the gun appeared in police reports.

Now that ought to do it.

[JustMyOpinion]

This isn't about the article w/the body floating, but since this thread is covering something not well known, I wanted to touch on something I've said before. At that time, nobody really commented on it, and I never knew if that was because it was no big deal, or if it was just scanned over...BUT!

The gun ISP had in the glove compartment of his car: He lied to his parents, telling them the police found it in the house. I believe he originally told the LE he had used to gun to go Phesant hunting a month earlier - evidently the gun belonged to Lee, who said he knew nothing about it the hunting a month earlier. I could be foggy on some of this, if I am, I'll go look it up...

My point back then, or I should say my suspicion back then was that ISP had a gun in his glove compartment in case Laci stirred, or in case someone stopped him with the body in the truck.... I said back then, I believe HE WAS WILLING TO KILL AGAIN.

Did anyone else have thoughts on that gun?

TG: I completely agree that Scott was ready, willing & able to kill again, I agree with what Det Grogan wrote in his probation report. IIRC( " a very dangerous man and without a conscience". )
http://www.ktvu.com/peterson/4375840/detail.html

[adnoid]

...The loaded gun was found in the glove compartment of the truck - allegedly left therr from a hunting trip i(I believe). Scott told him the gun either misfired or was jammed and didn't work. (It worked just fine when ballistics tested it)...

Nobody hunts birds with a pistol because it doesn't work. There are so many things wrong with that I don't know where to start.

Nobody with a shred of knowledge keeps a gun that misfires around. If it does not work you fix it yourself (they are pretty simple) or get it to a gunsmith.

[Trixy]

It's pretty easy to miss. This is the ONLY reference online to that floating body report. Oddly, I found it by accident. In my efforts to convince an SII that the ocean floor could not be searched sufficiently to find a body, I came across this article. Note at the very last part.. that reference is made to a car falling into the Bay, divers swarming the area where it went in, and ultimately, they couldn't even find the car, which was buried!. Of course, this fact made no impact at all on the SII, as they never really care about anything other than Scott was having an affair, thus he was railroaded into jail.

Nevertheless, I took up the argument about the difficulty of scouring the ocean floor looking for a body again some time later. The second time, I read this article more thoroughly. And then I found it... Oh, my. That's gotta be Laci. In itself, no big thing, because we know before she arrived on the shoreline, she was drifting, but it sure puts a dent in some of the NG's theories.. doesn't it? Well, I posted it a couple of times and it had very little impact on the group.. And as you can see, very little discussion here... The NG's won't touch it, of course, so discourse on this particular aspect of the Peterson case doesn't go very far..

Excellent post.

:beer:

[Trixy]

TG: I completely agree that Scott was ready, willing & able to kill again, I agree with what Det Grogan wrote in his probation report. IIRC( " a very dangerous man and without a conscience". )
http://www.ktvu.com/peterson/4375840/detail.html

No doubt in my mind he would have killed Amber if given the chance.

He's that evil.

imo

:flamemad:

[JustMyOpinion]

No doubt in my mind he would have killed Amber if given the chance.

He's that evil.

imo

:flamemad:

I'm in complete agreement. ( I think the birthday gift left in the bushes was a test, to see if he could successfully lure her to come alone to a place he designated) JMO The downloaded map quest directions to her place of employment found in his vehicle was very "telling"... IMO.

[Trixy]

I'm in complete agreement. ( I think the birthday gift left in the bushes was a test, to see if he could successfully lure her to come alone to a place he designated) JMO The downloaded map quest directions to her place of employment found in his vehicle was very "telling"... IMO.

Yes, yes! Absolutely. Thanks for posting this. I almost forgot.

:seeya:

[PsychNurse;~)]

Yes, the gun was loaded which is strictly illegal in California.

to be exact, it's illegal unless you have a ccw permit (carrying a concealed weapon).

~~cyn~~

[adnoid]

to be exact, it's illegal unless you have a ccw permit (carrying a concealed weapon)...

Which is pretty much impossible to get in California unless you are a politician, a celebrity, or one of their bodyguards.

[Lili007]

I'm in complete agreement. ( I think the birthday gift left in the bushes was a test, to see if he could successfully lure her to come alone to a place he designated) JMO The downloaded map quest directions to her place of employment found in his vehicle was very "telling"... IMO.

I think the gift in the bushes was an attempt to keep the affair quiet, in light of everything that was going on.

LATER ON, though - I think the attempt to get Amber to come alone to the cabin much later on, when he thought that she suspected him and he thought that she had talked to LE, and tried to entice her to come alone to meet him, had nothing to do with romance, IMO. I think he was desperate enough to do something about Amber, at the very least find out what she knew and to whom she'd expressed her thoughts and how he could deal with it to contain the damage. I think romance with Amber was probably the last thing on his mind at the time, considering the circumstances.

Just my opinion.