Sit Down, Have A Seat, Take The Load Off: Welcome to the CLub Lounge

[WarmNCozy]

Thank you for the prayers. I'll be at 320 sometime, I don't know when. At that time I will tell you the hell Allison has been leaving with her alcoholic husband for the past three years and kept from her father and me. Please pray for her soul!

[Athena]

Dear WNC:

I am so very sorry to hear that you have lost your beloved Allison. My prayers and heartfelt sympathy are extended to you as well as my tears . I am pm'ing you my email address and please feel free to contact me should you so desire.

Below are some support groups for family and friends and thought you might want to reach out there as well. I've actually been to them and deleted some I thought may not be appropriate.

God Bless you and your family WNC and know that I truly believe God does not turn his back on anyone. :rose:

http://www.myfirstlink.org/html/bill_of_rights_for_surviviors_.html

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-survivors.html

http://www.fosv.com/support.htm

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/suicide-survivors

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-support-groups.html

http://heartbeatsurvivorsaftersuicide.org/index.shtml

http://www.parentsofsuicide.com

http://www.friendsandfamiliesofsuicide.com/groups/FFofSuicides

http://saginawsurvivorsofsuicide.org/supportgroup.htm

[Zoey]

Put a gun to her head and killed herself Thursday morning. Age 37.


For some reason, I haven't been able to get on this thread, and then today, I was able to. I am so sorry WarmNCozy, so very sorry. Please, pm me if there is anything I can do. I know we live along ways from each other, but I am here for you, always.

~Zoey~

[Seashell]

Thank you for the prayers. I'll be at 320 sometime, I don't know when. At that time I will tell you the hell Allison has been leaving with her alcoholic husband for the past three years and kept from her father and me. Please pray for her soul!
Hugs WNC :rose:

[readmylips]

WNC,

My thoughts are with you and your family. May you find the strength to celebrate her life and the joyful moments you shared with her while she was with you. Let those memories lift you up and urge you on as you walk this most difficult path.



:rose:

[andU]

Thank you for the prayers. I'll be at 320 sometime, I don't know when. At that time I will tell you the hell Allison has been leaving with her alcoholic husband for the past three years and kept from her father and me. Please pray for her soul!


Oh, my sister! I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter! You are in my prayers. Please know that I am here for you, as are so many of your friends. Yes, I will pray for Allison, as well. May our loving and merciful Father give you peace and welcome her Home with open arms. I love you and my heart is breaking for you.

[Its just me]

WarmNCozy, Your and your family are in my sincere prayers as you grieve the loss of a precious part of your family, your beautiful daughter Allison. We as parents don't expect to out live our children but often times we do and as it changed your life when she was born the news of her demise immediately change your life again though heart broken instead of the joy. WNC treasure the joyful years and hold them dear to your heart.... the wonderful memories will help get you through this horrible and difficult time. Allison is now in the presence of God, as you treasure your wonderful memories also look forward to being with Allison again when God decides it time for you to cross to the other side...Allison is "peacefully" waiting to welcome you when it's that time. We don't have the ability to understand why in this life but God could have sent 10 thousand angels to let you keep her but He was ready to bring her to her enternal home to be with Him and patiently and peacefully wait for you and her loved ones to join her. From one heartbroken Mother to another who has lost a child...with God's mercy we will survive. Much compassion and love :rose: IJM/Fep

[Maybaby59]

Please light a candle and say a prayer for WarmNCozy and her family...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cozy

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[David_Lohr]

Put a gun to her head and killed herself Thursday morning. Age 37.

I am very sorry for your loss...you are in my thoughts. :rose:

[odette]

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[Mishell1383]

Please light a candle and say a prayer for WarmNCozy and her family...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cozy

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8427/340391dl2.jpg
Trish thankyou for setting up the candles for Cozy. That was extremely heartfelt. I have lit my candles.

Cozy we love you. Stay strong. Please :rose:

[maryhaze]

i'm so sorry for your loss.:rose:

[wind149]

Warm, I am so sorry for your loss, I feel your pain from here.:rose:

[WarmNCozy]

ALLISON CATHERINE MIRAGL1A-WILLSON, 37, OF Fort Pierce, FL, died December 20th at her home.
Born May 19, 1970 in Denver, CO, she was a resident of Fort Pierce for several years. Allison was a loving and thoughtful daughter, a warm, kind and giving friend, with a smile that would make a rainbow jealous. She was so loved by all who knew her. Allison was a fierce advocate for the humane treatment of all God's creatures, especially cats and dogs. She owned and operated Allison's Pet Palace in Fort Pierce for the past two years.
Survivors include her husband Stephen D. Willson of Fort Pierce, Fi; her mother Eileen Dooley Miraglia of Palm City, Fl; her father and stepmother Dr. Vincent and Billye Miraglia of Stuart, Fl; her sister Meredith Miraglia of Santa Barbara, CA; her brother Vincent E. Miraglia of San Diego, CA; three stepbrothers Charles Berkey of Stuart, Fl, Chris Berkey of Huntsville, AL, and William Berkey of Nashville, TN. Her aunt Honey Dooley Winters and cousins Winnie, Guy and Greg of New Jersey; her cousins Courtney Allison Arnot of NY, Bradford Allison of MA, and Ed Allison of NJ. Her uncle Julian Miraglia of NJ and cousins Laura Owens of PA, Lisa Munroe of PA, and Nina Miraglia of CA; her aunt Catherine Miraglia-Lecky of PA and John Lecky of VA, Keith Lecky of PA; her uncle Paul Miraglia of MA and cousins Peter Miraglia and Paul Miraglia of MA and Michael Miraglia of CA.
A Memorial Service will be Saturday, January 5th, 11am at St. Mary's Episcopal Church in Stuart.
Memorial contributions may be made in Allison's honor to the Humane Society of the Treasure Coast, Inc., 4100 Leighton Farms Ave., Palm City, FL 34990
Arrangements are entrusted to Aycock Funeral Home, Stuart.

[WarmNCozy]

www.allisonspetpalace.com

[Its just me]

:rose: Thanks for sharing WnC. You have much to be proud of. I know this is a difficult time. Love, support and prayers. IJM

[MissOtisRegrets]

I am so, so sorry. My prayers.

:rose: :rose:

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[Mishell1383]

Happy New Year Friends!!! I Love You All!! :rose:

[odette]

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I have just registered at 320Sycamore and made my first post! :)

It's a great site! ..

Hope to see you all there soon!

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[Seashell]

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I have just registered at 320Sycamore and made my first post! :)

It's a great site! ..

Hope to see you all there soon!

http://www.320sycamore.com/

:seeya: HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008 EVERYONE!
I just registered at www.320sycamore.com and waiting to admin. to activate my account... i cant wait it looks soooo exciting!!

[sweetgranny]

WNC I just got back on here......please accept my sincerest condolences on the loss of your beloved daughter. I cannot imagine the pain you must feel. Your family is in my prayers:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Its just me]

:rose: My humble prayers continue. IJM

[samanthajane13]

I just found out this jerk lives in my area-and I wanted to warn everyone about it. I know it happened in Buffalo, but they don't know how many girls-and from how far way-responded to him.

And PLEASE check your children's Friend List to make sure this pervert isn't there...
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How a sinister MySpace predator targeted teen girls
By Dan Herbeck NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Updated: 01/06/08

On his MySpace page, he called himself “sex master Adam.” He said he was 20 years old, and the page featured photographs of a muscular, shirtless young man.

His spelling and grammar were atrocious, but the words on his personal profile page left little doubt about the kind of girls he wanted to meet.

“yes i am from buffalo,” he wrote. “what im looking for are some bad lil girls and when i say bad i mean really bad girls who will do anything i ask them to.”

His MySpace page drew reponses from dozens of teenage girls, some as young as 13. And after communicating with Adam, some of the girls sent him pictures of themselves in the nude, sometimes in extremely lewd poses.

Police recently learned that Adam was really David W. Evans, a 48-year-old cafeteria worker who lived alone in an apartment on Buffalo’s West Side. Cheektowaga police and the FBI arrested him last month, and charged him with coercing a minor to produce child pornography, a federal felony crime.

Six victims have been identified so far, but police believe there may be many more — dozens, possibly more than 100. They are trying to track down other teens whose pictures were found on Evans’ cell phones and computer.

As police continue their investigation and more girls are located, questions are being raised about the victims, too:

• Regardless of how old she thought Adam was, why would any girl send naked pictures of herself to a man she had never met?

• How could the girls’ parents be unaware of what was going on?

• How common is this kind of conduct in the Internet age?

For cops and others studying the case, there are no simple answers.

“There was a progression,” said Cheektowaga Detective Michael K. Hockwater, who broke the case with Detective Terence J. Griffin. “It started out with girls using MySpace to meet a hot-looking 20-year-old guy. Then, he began making demands on them. And then, threatening to do things to them if they refused to send racier pictures. It just got out of hand.”

“I’ll tell you why it happened,” Griffin interjected. “Because their parents didn’t know what they were doing.”

The girls made terrible mistakes, but characterizing them as bad girls would be unfair, said Bonnie L. Glazer and Stefan Perkowski, who work with young sex crime victims through Child & Adolescent Treatment Services of Western New York.

“They’re not bad kids; they’re victims of a seduction by an adult,” said Perkowski, the agency’s program director. “And they’re growing up in an age when you have an explosion of role models like Paris Hilton telling them that this kind of behavior is not only acceptable, but something they should aspire to.”

“We’ve seen many cases where teenagers do things over the Internet without realizing the implications, the trail of information,” Glazer said. “The Internet makes it too easy.”

U.S. Attorney Terrance P. Flynn said he finds the case “very disturbing” on two different levels.

It demonstrates the ease with which sexual predators can misuse the Internet, he said, and it also shows the immaturity and vulnerability of some teens who use social networking sites to make their private lives public.

One person who was not surprised by the Evans case or the teen girls’ conduct is Patricia McLain, a Buffalo community educator for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

“I’ve spoken to about 250 different groups in the past two years, and at almost every event, someone tells a horror story about one of the social networking sites,” McLain said. “These sites are misused by bullies, sexual predators and kids posting very inappropriate pictures of themselves.”

McLain said she shares Perkowski’s concern about the influence of tainted celebrities like Hilton. McLain is aware of several cases in which underage girls have e-mailed nude pictures of themselves to boys they “had a crush on.”

Last February, a federal judge in Austin, Texas, dismissed a $30 million lawsuit filed against MySpace by the family of a 13-year-old girl who said she was sexually assaulted by a 19 year-old man she met on the site. The man had falsely told the girl he was a high school senior and convinced her to give him her telephone number.

The judge said MySpace was protected under the Communications Decency Act and cannot be required to verify the age of every user. MySpace officials have said they have worked with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children on security improvements, including free parental notification software.

“MySpace gets most of the publicity because it’s so big, but there are problems with all these sites,” McLain said. “You can pose as anyone on these sites. None of them verify the information that people post.”

Social networking sites can be used in many positive ways, McLain said. She noted that many soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan use the sites to keep in touch with friends and family.

David Evans’ crimes went far beyond misrepresenting himself on his MySpace profile, authorities said.

According to the U.S. Attorney’s office, Evans used MySpace to meet teenage girls, and then — while posing as young Adam — got some of the girls to give him cell phone numbers.

“He convinced the girls to send him topless pictures of themselves. Then he’d ask for dirtier pictures,” Hockwater said. “If they refused, he threatened to call the girl’s parents and tell them what she had done, or post all her information and pictures on the Internet.”

Griffin said two girls told police Evans e-mailed them explicit pictures of him, and one girl said he threatened to come and kill her if she stopped sending nude photos.

“One of the girls was petrified,” Hockwater said. “She finally went to her mother, and her mother came to us.”

So far, one victim has been found in Cheektowaga, one in Lancaster, one in the Town of Tonawanda, and three in the Rochester area, police said.
Evans pleaded not guilty in federal court after his arrest on Dec. 18. If convicted, he could face a mandatory 15 year prison term. His attorney, federal public defender John F. Humann, said the girls and their parents also should be scrutinized. He noted that Evans is not accused of having actual physical contact with any of the girls.

“I’m not trying to minimize [the allegations],” Humann said, “but where are these girls’ parents when they’re going on the Internet and sending out pictures of their private parts?”

Flynn said, “This case is a classic illustration of the need for parents to monitor their kids’ e-mail activity. Before they allow a son or daughter to sign up for a MySpace account, they need to talk to them and determine whether they are mature enough to handle it.”

“The Internet world is a mirror of the real world,” McLain said. “There are predators looking to take advantage of kids. Parents need to know that.”

dherbeck@buffnews.com (dherbeck@buffnews.com)
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Katey sent this bulletin to her friends to warn them. If you could PLEASE PASS IT ON, we'd appreciate it. Feel free to re-word it!!!

Jan 6, 2008 7:35 PM

Subject: PASS THIS ON EXTREMELY IMPORTANT - PREDATOR ALERT!!!!!

Body: SOME SICK A-HOLE IS TARGETING YOUNG FEMALES ON HERE!!! HE CALLS HIMSELF SEX MASTER ADAM, IF HE CONTACTS YOU TELL TOM AND PUT HIM ON IGNORE!!!

HERES THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM THE BUFFALO NEWS - http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/244627.html (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/244627.html)

DO NOT TALK TO THIS PERV!!!!

[charmaine]

WNC,

My thoughts are with you and your family. May you find the strength to celebrate her life and the joyful moments you shared with her while she was with you. Let those memories lift you up and urge you on as you walk this most difficult path.



:rose:

Well said readmylips. xoxo

[bipsy]

Hi all,
I came here hoping to see a thread about the murder of Maria Lauterbach - the pregnant Marine who was recently murdered by her rapist.
As a former enlisted woman, I'm more interested in finding out HOW they hold the military responsible for aiding & abetting in the MST of this soldier than in the apprehension of the secondary assailant, Laurean. Obviously, the Cpl could not have continued to harass and torment her and finally kill her if the military had taken even the tinyest common-sense precautions.

This is sooo close to my heart because I was in the service 20 years ago and had a similar thing happen to me. It took me 20 years to start talking about it - and since then I have written letters to congress and the president etc... And I have talked to HUNDREDS of other women who have experienced and done the same thing - -
:rose:

Rape and Murder happen every day - - but when our government uses women who have surrendered their FREEDOM and offered their services, trusting in return to at least have a safe place to sleep and work - - when it KEEPs happening decade after decade, over and over again in the same way... One just has to stand up and scream. That's what I'm doing now.
:rose:

For Maria and for all others (largely the black women), who dont get media coverage or relief, who have their credibility ravaged, ...all those betrayed by their country. :rose:

[Sharon]

Guys, it breaks my heart to see so much pain and tradgedy here in our own `family`.

Im sending coping vibes and best wishes for strength.

Words are not sufficient when our kids die before their time and Im so sorry to hear the bad news.

I didnt think the board here was still going, but came back to check. Didnt expect to hear such devistating news.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.bedandviewskiama.com.au/images/breakfast_tray.jpg

Just droppin' bye to say. . .

Mornin'! :seeya:

Special hugs for WNC!

[FDInLaw]

Hi all,
I came here hoping to see a thread about the murder of Maria Lauterbach - the pregnant Marine who was recently murdered by her rapist.
As a former enlisted woman, I'm more interested in finding out HOW they hold the military responsible for aiding & abetting in the MST of this soldier than in the apprehension of the secondary assailant, Laurean. Obviously, the Cpl could not have continued to harass and torment her and finally kill her if the military had taken even the tinyest common-sense precautions.

This is sooo close to my heart because I was in the service 20 years ago and had a similar thing happen to me. It took me 20 years to start talking about it - and since then I have written letters to congress and the president etc... And I have talked to HUNDREDS of other women who have experienced and done the same thing - -
:rose:

Rape and Murder happen every day - - but when our government uses women who have surrendered their FREEDOM and offered their services, trusting in return to at least have a safe place to sleep and work - - when it KEEPs happening decade after decade, over and over again in the same way... One just has to stand up and scream. That's what I'm doing now.
:rose:

For Maria and for all others (largely the black women), who dont get media coverage or relief, who have their credibility ravaged, ...all those betrayed by their country. :rose: A very sad case. I'm so sorry you personally relate to it too. :(

There is a whole forum for Maria at this site and it has a bit more traffic:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=90

Hugs & Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

A very sad case. I'm so sorry you personally relate to it too. :(

There is a whole forum for Maria at this site and it has a bit more traffic:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=90

Hugs & Welcome to the board! :seeya:
"In Session" (the old CTV) has a huge forum for Maria too:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=487

[FDInLaw]

Anyone else having a frosty morning??? :)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/images/Snow-Clad-Trees-thumb.jpg

Keep warm!

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/images/wc_mexcocoa.jpg

[SaraSidle]

yes and I hate it

[FDInLaw]

yes and I hate it Awww. . . I'm sorry! :o

Are you not in central Arkansas? Do I have you mixed up with someone else in my mind???

:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

yes I am definitely in west michigan and have been for 20 years

[SaraSidle]

yes I am definitely in west michigan and have been for 20 years

[FDInLaw]

yes I am definitely in west michigan and have been for 20 years

Sorry about that! :o You DO have a right to be sick of the weather. Spring will come eventually! HUGGERS! :seeya:

Some flowers for you. . .

http://www.margateflowers.com/phpstore/images/products/16103z.jpg

[SaraSidle]

what a great picture. thanks FDI. we do not have snow coming for the next 3 days which is good since our snowblower broke today

[StepBrother]

I truely miss my Step Sis Allison, my prayers are with you.

[LOUISEVIRGO777]

Hey there all you yanks, Canooks and Londoners,

I currently reside in Melbourne Australia, but was born in Toronto. Froggy, your description of the Club Lounge has an uncanny resemblance to a Victorian Terrace House I lived in a couple years ago. The high ceilings, ceiling roses, chandeliers, beautiful victorian staircase..even down to the Burgunday drapes. This house just happened to be built in 1888, ring any bells all you crime buffs? 1888 was the year the Jack the Ripper begun his reign of terror in Whitechapel, and his first kill just happened to be on my birthday August 31st. I ofcourse had no idea at the time I moved in. Even down to the haunting music that was played, I am indeed partial to Bach, but I often played the haunting sounds of Enya and Loreena McKennett, who also by another uncanny coincidence just happpens to be my doppelganger. (According to my brother, mother and ex). I must admit, the resemblance is rather remarkable. Are you sure you didn't astral project to Australia one windy night? The house itself wasn't haunted, but it had a powerful aura and I always felt like a princess playing a role while living there. But alas, I live there no more, (ran out of my inheritance), C'est la vie and all that rubbish. Also, I have some rather interesting information regarding the Zodiac, which I posted, but also, Ramirez got into Satanism by meeting Anton Levay. I recently found out that his name was actually Ricardo Leyva, any connection do you think? I do. As Carl Jung said, there are no coincidences.

[sharlock]

Hey there all you yanks, Canooks and Londoners,

I currently reside in Melbourne Australia, but was born in Toronto. Froggy, your description of the Club Lounge has an uncanny resemblance to a Victorian Terrace House I lived in a couple years ago. The high ceilings, ceiling roses, chandeliers, beautiful victorian staircase..even down to the Burgunday drapes. This house just happened to be built in 1888, ring any bells all you crime buffs? 1888 was the year the Jack the Ripper begun his reign of terror in Whitechapel, and his first kill just happened to be on my birthday August 31st. I ofcourse had no idea at the time I moved in. Even down to the haunting music that was played, I am indeed partial to Bach, but I often played the haunting sounds of Enya and Loreena McKennett, who also by another uncanny coincidence just happpens to be my doppelganger. (According to my brother, mother and ex). I must admit, the resemblance is rather remarkable. Are you sure you didn't astral project to Australia one windy night? The house itself wasn't haunted, but it had a powerful aura and I always felt like a princess playing a role while living there. But alas, I live there no more, (ran out of my inheritance), C'est la vie and all that rubbish. Also, I have some rather interesting information regarding the Zodiac, which I posted, but also, Ramirez got into Satanism by meeting Anton Levay. I recently found out that his name was actually Ricardo Leyva, any connection do you think? I do. As Carl Jung said, there are no coincidences.


Hi all! Welcome Louisevirgo777,
I am from Australia too and we are a rarity around these parts lol! It'll be great to ahve another to discuss crimes closer to home with as well. Interested to hear your ideas on Ramirez and the like, I posted a fair bit at one time on his thread but have slacked off a bit lately.
I love the sound of your old house, what a blast!

[delsina363]

:shrug: Does anyone remember me? Delsina ?? Are any of the good ole posters on here? Cavalier, Concerto, etc. I miss them. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

:shrug: Does anyone remember me? Delsina ?? Are any of the good ole posters on here? Cavalier, Concerto, etc. I miss them. :seeya:
I remember you! :seeya: Most of the old gang is still over on OC.

[Jayelles]

Anyone else having a frosty morning??? :)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/images/Snow-Clad-Trees-thumb.jpg

Keep warm!

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/images/wc_mexcocoa.jpg

I love the snow scene :-) We've got snow on "dem distant hills" but nothing in town. Having said that, my car was frozen shut this morning. It's a design fault and an irritating one.

[FDInLaw]

I love the snow scene :-) We've got snow on "dem distant hills" but nothing in town. Having said that, my car was frozen shut this morning. It's a design fault and an irritating one.We may have 6 inches by tomorrow morning! (It was 65 degrees here on Saturday!)

[Jayelles]

We may have 6 inches by tomorrow morning! (It was 65 degrees here on Saturday!)

6 inches would be enough to give me a snow day :-) 65 degrees - that's quite warm isn't it? I'm trying to convert....

[FDInLaw]

6 inches would be enough to give me a snow day :-) 65 degrees - that's quite warm isn't it? I'm trying to convert....
Yes, 18 degrees where your at (Celcius). :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

we have had a record snow and cold and I am so tired of it. Snowblower broke down and all our snows average 6 inches. I will ups it to you Jayelles

[SaraSidle]

and Jayelles what is going on there........ I heard a nurse was convicted of at least 5 murders and in a different story there is an old scandal of an institution for children where they were tortured in Jersey. Where is Jersey?

[Jayelles]

and Jayelles what is going on there........ I heard a nurse was convicted of at least 5 murders and in a different story there is an old scandal of an institution for children where they were tortured in Jersey. Where is Jersey?


Isn't it awful? The nurse was convicted of killing 4 elderly ladies with insulin and attempting to kill a 5th. I heard a short clip of one of his police interviews yesterday which was interesting. This is paraphrased but along the lines of what was being said:-

Police: "I am telling you as fact that there was this massive amount of insulin in the ladie's body and that this same amount of insulin was discovered missing from the medicine store"

Norris (very calmly): "I hear what you are saying, but surely if someone administered such a large syringe to a patient, the patient would tell someone else or simply ask 'What is this for?'"

Police: "But what we are saying is that this did happen - not "if". The insulin was in her body"

Norris: "I hear what you are saying but I think if anyone had given her this, she would have said something..."

As I said - this is NOT a transcription. I was listening to it on the radio whilst driving and it's paraphrased. He was answering the questions without actually answering any questions. The police officer described him as extremely arrogant and said that he had been arrogant in court too and that it wouldn't have done him any favours.

Re Jersey. Jersey is one of the Channel ISlands. I think it's closer to France than England but is part of the UK. It was occupied by the Germans during WWII and has its own legal system. That is so sinister. I think there is no doubt that the children were badly treated there - and that some may have been sexually abused but they were saying on the news yesterday that it's not an absolute certainty that the fragments of child bones is from the home and that they may have been brought in with building materials. I got the impression that the earlier description of it being a "child's skull" were exaggerated and that it may only be some fragments of skull.

I think a lot of it has been sensationalised. I'm not making excuses or trying to minimise the horror, but we all know how tabloids blow things up. I think we have to remember that the huge "rugby" bath was from a bygone era. Where now it would be considered unseemly (even kinky) to bathe children en masse, it may have been a practical option 80/90 years ago. I've seen how the tabloids exaggerate and often even get things blatantly wrong through the McCann case and it has made me very cynical about practically everything I read now.

[SaraSidle]

yeah I do not understand why nurses would do that. very sick. the Jersey thing does sound sensationalized. I agree. not enough info from what I read. just sounded bizarre

[zurichsl]

hey what`s up if i can not found my posts ?
or ... it has been removed or blocked . . .
hmmm i was goin to see my replay message .

[charmaine]

Hi all! Welcome Louisevirgo777,
I am from Australia too and we are a rarity around these parts lol! It'll be great to ahve another to discuss crimes closer to home with as well. Interested to hear your ideas on Ramirez and the like, I posted a fair bit at one time on his thread but have slacked off a bit lately.
I love the sound of your old house, what a blast!

Hey Sharlock!!
Long time no see! My fault entirely as I haven't been around at all lately...got a lot going on in my life right now. Sounds like you guys need another Aussie on the boards hehe...well here I am. Hope everyone is well. :seeya: xoxo

[FDInLaw]

A little something for my cyber buds here. . .

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Hope y'all had a wonderful Easter! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

thanks FDI...........hope you did too. now i want chocolate

[FDInLaw]

YUM! This looks good. . .

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[FDInLaw]

http://www.clickaclue.com/images/clipart/easter%20chocolate%20bunnies.jpg

[SaraSidle]

hahahah lol okay now I really want chocolate and there is none in the house

[FDInLaw]

I hope everyone has a good day! :seeya:

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[SaraSidle]

Wish they were my yard.........thanks FDInlaw

[FDInLaw]

http://www.gardenwalks.com/daffodils/daffodils_04.jpg

"Daffodils" (1804)
I WANDER'D lonely as a cloud

That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,

A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine

And twinkle on the Milky Way,
They stretch'd in never-ending line

Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they

Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,

In such a jocund company:
I gazed -- and gazed -- but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie

In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye

Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

By William Wordsworth (1770-1850).

http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Poetry/WordsworthDaffodils.htm

[SaraSidle]

http://www.gardenwalks.com/daffodils/daffodils_04.jpg

"Daffodils" (1804)
I WANDER'D lonely as a cloud

That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,

A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine

And twinkle on the Milky Way,
They stretch'd in never-ending line

Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they

Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,

In such a jocund company:
I gazed -- and gazed -- but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie

In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye

Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

By William Wordsworth (1770-1850).

http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Poetry/WordsworthDaffodils.htm

You know I remember this poem and it is absolutely as lovely as when I first heard it....thank you for reminding me FDI

[FDInLaw]

Anyone care to go for a walk???

http://www.andrewmcknight.net/images/paradise.jpg

Lunch is all packed and ready to go. . .

http://www.the-basket-case.net/images/snack_baskets/perfect_picnic%201.jpg

:) :)

[SaraSidle]

It looks beautiful FDI.......let's go.

[lorettalockhorn]

From Wordsworth's Imitations on Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood:

Then sing, ye birds, sing, sing a joyous song!
And let the young lambs bound
As to the tabor's sound!
We in thought will join your throng,
Ye that pipe and ye that play,
Ye that through your hearts to-day
Feel the gladness of the May!
What though the radiance which was once so bright
Be now for ever taken from my sight,
Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower;
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind;
In the primal sympathy
Which having been must ever be;
In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death,
In years that bring the philosophic mind.

http://www.bartleby.com/101/536.html

[FDInLaw]

Loretta Love, what kind of question is that? I packed it! :rolleyes:
http://www.thesweetbasket.com/images/chocolate/totchoco-m.jpg

http://www.gosmicro.com.au/AboutUs/Lindt-clasic%20box.jpeg

I call the dark chocolate truffle in the upper right hand corner! :tongue:

[SaraSidle]

Okay but i get the square caramels.

[SaraSidle]

another lovely poem Loretta thank you

[FDInLaw]

CHOCOLATE

Chocolate, the very word
Melts in the mind
Slips off the tongue, sweet
Chocolate

Chocolate, the very thought
Brings a smile,
Delicate, dark, milk to light
Chocolate

Chocolate, the very notion
Heightens our devotion
Taste buds tingle for
Chocolate, chocolate,
Chocolate!

duncan wyllie

http://www.poemsabout.com/chocolate/

[SaraSidle]

oh yeah.........tonight I could use all the chocolate in the world

[lorettalockhorn]

For FD:

seductive truffle
cocoa covered confection
yes, I can smell you

For SaraSidle:

salted caramel,
I only kiss my lover
because you did first

[SaraSidle]

very nice haiku Loretta...Thank you

[FDInLaw]

oh yeah.........tonight I could use all the chocolate in the worldAre you stressin' about something? :(

[FDInLaw]

For FD:

seductive truffle
cocoa covered confection
yes, I can smell you

For SaraSidle:

salted caramel,
I only kiss my lover
because you did firstROTFLMBO! Loretta, you're too funny! :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

Breakfast is served. . .

http://www.vintagetowers.com/images/pic_breakfast_1.jpg

[SaraSidle]

oh my does that food look good. Yes I am stressing FDI. my unemployment ran out after 26 weeks even though I was told it would last for 52 weeks... no jobs in W. Michigan......might lose my house. arent you glad you asked?

[FDInLaw]

oh my does that food look good. Yes I am stressing FDI. my unemployment ran out after 26 weeks even though I was told it would last for 52 weeks... no jobs in W. Michigan......might lose my house. arent you glad you asked?Yes, I'm glad I asked. . . burdens should not be borne alone! I'm so sorry. . . you will be in my prayers. :rose:

Our family has been in the same situation several times in the last few years. . . without a job and wondering how we are gonna make it through. Hang in there.

HUGGERS! ~ FD

[SaraSidle]

Yes, I'm glad I asked. . . burdens should not be borne alone! I'm so sorry. . . you will be in my prayers. :rose:

Our family has been in the same situation several times in the last few years. . . without a job and wondering how we are gonna make it through. Hang in there.

HUGGERS! ~ FD

Thanks FDI Having a bad time here. thank you so much

[FDInLaw]

Thanks FDI Having a bad time here. thank you so much

Well, I don't live anywhere near by, but there is a shoulder here to lean on. . . many a hard day I've found a word of encouragement just when I needed it from someone here. You're not alone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7V5t9ECZXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOb8ihacSM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0I5c1gmO4


http://www.flowers-online.com.au/flower-pictures/C6-2_G.jpg

[SaraSidle]

Well, I don't live anywhere near by, but there is a shoulder here to lean on. . . many a hard day I've found a word of encouragement just when I needed it from someone here. You're not alone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7V5t9ECZXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOb8ihacSM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0I5c1gmO4


http://www.flowers-online.com.au/flower-pictures/C6-2_G.jpg


FDi loved the flowers and songs. Cried for 30 minutes which I was due for. thanks again so very much......the favor will be returned whenever you need it.

[lorettalockhorn]

oh my does that food look good. Yes I am stressing FDI. my unemployment ran out after 26 weeks even though I was told it would last for 52 weeks... no jobs in W. Michigan......might lose my house. arent you glad you asked?

Sara, so sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope things turn around for you real soon. Keep your eyes peeled for job fairs and business expos coming up, and I'm hoping there is a mistake re: your employment benefits.

((((((BIG HUG))))))

[FDInLaw]

FDi loved the flowers and songs. Cried for 30 minutes which I was due for. thanks again so very much......the favor will be returned whenever you need it.More hugs! As Loretta says, keep looking! We're gonna have us a little "congrats for the new job" party here in time. . . you hang in there!


:beer: in advance!

:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Sara, so sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope things turn around for you real soon. Keep your eyes peeled for job fairs and business expos coming up, and I'm hoping there is a mistake re: your employment benefits.

((((((BIG HUG))))))

I have been thanks Loretta. I love the hugs.

[SaraSidle]

More hugs! As Loretta says, keep looking! We're gonna have us a little "congrats for the new job" party here in time. . . you hang in there!


:beer: in advance!

:seeya:

FDI I will let you know as soon as I get something. You have been so wonderful.

[FDInLaw]

Another favorite song. . . this one gets me every time. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gBGGX3yvMo

"Well, sometimes my life just don't make sense at all
When the mountains look so big
And my faith just seems so small

So hold me Jesus, 'cause I'm shaking like a leaf
You have been King of my glory
Won't You be my Prince of Peace . . . "

[SaraSidle]

thanks again FDI..........You are so comforting!!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Take a break. . . you've had a long week. . . we all need some girl time now and then! :)

http://www.classicretreats.com/properties/Special_Images/beach%20cocktail%20sunset%20(Small).jpg

:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Absolutely wonderful place

[FDInLaw]

Super news, Hotwater! :seeya:

Wondering if the former moderator was authorized to delete the condolences thread from the Nona Dirksmeyer forum. :confused:
You won't let that go will you. . . it was a hard blow. The timing was really harsh and there was no reason. :(

Well, we still have a forum for Nona. . . and that is something to toast! :beer:

:)

[SaraSidle]

You won't let that go will you. . . it was a hard blow. The timing was really harsh and there was no reason. :(

Well, we still have a forum for Nona. . . and that is something to toast! :beer:

:)

And I am toasting with you FDI..........Great news!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

Super news, Hotwater! :seeya:

Wondering if the former moderator was authorized to delete the condolences thread from the Nona Dirksmeyer forum. :confused:

Cookie look CrimeLibrary is not closing

[lorettalockhorn]

You won't let that go will you. . . it was a hard blow. The timing was really harsh and there was no reason. :(

Well, we still have a forum for Nona. . . and that is something to toast! :beer:

:)

Oh, I know it seems obsessive. But I had never met Nona, and to read the comments, especially from her family and friends made me feel like I knew her in a way that I could appreciate what her life was and could have been.

:rose:

Anyway, thanks again HH2O. Great news that we don't have to move! :beer:

[FDInLaw]

Wishing everyone a great evening. . .

http://www.thelensflare.com/large/sunset_636.jpg

Thanks again to Hotwater for filling us in! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Lovely picture

[Reckless]

Thanks, Hotwater - interesting post! Any chance of bringing the Scott Peterson forum back? It was entirely deleted one day; no notice, no warning, nothing.

[jenny2052]

hi, i used to belong here under another nic, but i forgot the user name and had to reregister. who deleted all of the threads? :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Ah. . . what happened to Hotwater's post??? :eek:

:shrug:

:chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

Interestingly if you click on Freshwater's username, it gives you the information for deputydi. Look at the history and read the last post from 12/31/07:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/search.php?searchid=137769

[SaraSidle]

Interestingly if you click on Freshwater's username, it gives you the information for deputydi. Look at the history and read the last post from 12/31/07:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/search.php?searchid=137769

Loretta I am unable to open that link but I would not be surprised if Freshwater is DeputyDI. When I went to Sycamore I was unable to keep my nic and had to get a new one. If anyone wants to know it is sandy and bill1 which is our email address. my husband bill has aboslutely no interest in any of these forums.

[lorettalockhorn]

Gee, wonder why someone came along and disabled that link.

Anyway, this is deputydi's last post; it's in the "No more CL news" thread in this forum:

12-31-2007, 11:38 AM
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deputydi deputydi is offline
Member

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Steelers Country
Posts: 720
deputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nice
I'm a bit confused myself. I thought CL would cease to exist entirely after the first of the year. Then it was posted that parts of CL would remain, but the board would be closed. Now Hotwater claims that the boards will stay open.

I don't know what anyone else is doing, but David Lohr (my fav CL writer) is going to be posting his news at FW's new community -- 320sycamore.com -- and I plan on moving over there also. It seems things are a little too unstable here and no one knows what is going to happen. FW is the absolute BEST moderator here and where she goes, I go. I think she is already gone and preparing to open her new community tomorrow.

Almost scary.

[SaraSidle]

that is wierd Loretta!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[FDInLaw]

Gee, wonder why someone came along and disabled that link.

Anyway, this is deputydi's last post; it's in the "No more CL news" thread in this forum:

12-31-2007, 11:38 AM
deputydi's Avatar
deputydi deputydi is offline
Member

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Steelers Country
Posts: 720
deputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nicedeputydi is just really nice
I'm a bit confused myself. I thought CL would cease to exist entirely after the first of the year. Then it was posted that parts of CL would remain, but the board would be closed. Now Hotwater claims that the boards will stay open.

I don't know what anyone else is doing, but David Lohr (my fav CL writer) is going to be posting his news at FW's new community -- 320sycamore.com -- and I plan on moving over there also. It seems things are a little too unstable here and no one knows what is going to happen. FW is the absolute BEST moderator here and where she goes, I go. I think she is already gone and preparing to open her new community tomorrow.

Almost scary.
Wow. That is weird. Sad that some felt that this community revolved around any one person (especially those that thought it did around themselves lol!). :( We're a community folks, that should mean that the people make the place, not one individual. IMO in time we will get back some of our old regulars. No matter how well intended, ego driven ventures usually turn people off in the end. JMHO :patriot:

[FDInLaw]

Question. . . is David Lohr still writing for FW's site??? I've seen him posting here still.

[FDInLaw]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/405706576_13cbd05004.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Morning! :seeya: That looks awfully good. Just sitting down to my oatmeal and yogurt. Boring, huh?

[FDInLaw]

Morning! :seeya: That looks awfully good. Just sitting down to my oatmeal and yogurt. Boring, huh?Loretta, love, you're just eating breakfast? We just finished lunch lol! Well, any time of day, I'm up for one of Jevee's creations! :)

[lorettalockhorn]

For some reason, I am never hungry when I get up. Probably because it's so $&%()^! early. But as soon as I have breakfast, I'm ready for lunch. :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

For some reason, I am never hungry when I get up. Probably because it's so $&%()^! early. But as soon as I have breakfast, I'm ready for lunch. :shrug:

I am the same way Loretta. and yes FDI it looked wonderful

[FDInLaw]

. . . it looks like lunch is being served. :hat:

http://www.amiciwodehouse.net/jeeves2.jpg


How are you Sara? Do keep us updated about your job serch.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey! Tell the butler to take his damned hat off in the mansion! :hat:

Hey Sara! Hope you're having a good week! :seeya: Well, everyone in here should have a good week.

[FDInLaw]

Hey! Tell the butler to take his damned hat off in the mansion! :hat:

Hey Sara! Hope you're having a good week! :seeya: Well, everyone in here should have a good week.
Jeeves doesn't look happy now! (Psst. . . don't be too mean Loretta! Good help is hard to find these days! :cuss: )

http://bostonist.com/attachments/boston_caroline/carry-on-jeeves.JPG

:tongue:

[FDInLaw]

For real?? Whoa. That is just plain wrong. I'm stunned.

We were told this board would be closing, but didn't. And, probably won't.
Also heard ColdWater would be leaving CTV/IS, but that didn't happen either. *sigh*

I thought 320Sycamore was Freshwater's, on her own. If "the folks behind 320 still control the boards here" then they must be part of the "team" I've heard about on 320. So, WHY were we lied to? What is there to gain? All I see is so much for that "team" to lose. How sad.

David, I've been reading your articles at Investigation Discovery. Great job! Thanks. :beer:
Please write the editor at the address I posted above. . . she needs to know what is going on! :flamemad:

[FDInLaw]

It seems obvious the people behind 320 are lying. They stole threads here, told everyone the boards were moving and continue to post stolen content.

The entire true crime community needs to know about this!

BTW, now they have stolen the weekly serial crimes Lohr was doing:

http://www.320sycamore.com/320sycamore_sentinel_articles/publish/serial_crimes/Serial_Crimes_032808.php

What a joke. We need to pass this info on to all the crime boards. The folks at 320 have made fools out of every one of us! :flamemad:Well, let's make it known! Write the editor and spread the word!!! :cuss:

[FDInLaw]

Does anyone here have an account at 320? Someone should let the people there know what is going on! :flamemad:
I don't, and I won't be posting there PERIOD.

[Reckless]

Does anyone here have an account at 320? Someone should let the people there know what is going on! :flamemad:
Guaranteed the post would be deleted immediately and the poster banned.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, those posts have not been made by me and have been posted against my wishes.

I have repeatedly asked they be removed.

I enjoy your research/writing. Good luck.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think DeputyDi is FW. I could be wrong, but I just don't think so. FW fooled a lot of people and some still really like her and think highly of her. And then, there are the rest of us.

You might be absolutely right. Maybe it's just some glitch in the board that when you click on FH2O's name, you get deputydi's information. Probably just a glitch that my link to her posts was disabled too.

[Reckless]

You might be absolutely right. Maybe it's just some glitch in the board that when you click on FH2O's name, you get deputydi's information. Probably just a glitch that my link to her posts was disabled too.
It very well could be since all FW's posts were deleted. Who knows? I've been lied to and deceived. I enjoy David Lohr's articles a lot and he has been very mistreated. THAT is what matters.

Besides, if you click on FW's name and try to go to a post, there aren't any.

[lorettalockhorn]

It very well could be since all FW's posts were deleted. Who knows? I've been lied to and deceived. I enjoy David Lohr's articles a lot and he has been very mistreated. THAT is what matters.

Besides, if you click on FW's name and try to go to a post, there aren't any.

No, actually if you click on Freshwater's name in the thread about limiting smilies in posts (for instance), you get deputydi's information as I posted earlier.

[FDInLaw]

David's posts have been deleted. . . guess I've got some letters to write. :(

[FDInLaw]

It very well could be since all FW's posts were deleted. Who knows? I've been lied to and deceived. I enjoy David Lohr's articles a lot and he has been very mistreated. THAT is what matters.

Besides, if you click on FW's name and try to go to a post, there aren't any.

If FW still has some control here why did her posts go poof??? Is there some fighting going on behind the scenes???

[Reckless]

No, actually if you click on Freshwater's name in the thread about limiting smilies in posts (for instance), you get deputydi's information as I posted earlier.Isn't it nice that we can all have our own opinions.

[FDInLaw]

Isn't it nice that we can all have our own opinions.

I bet this conversation will not be here for long.

[lorettalockhorn]

Isn't it nice that we can all have our own opinions.

HUH?

Opinion:

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
4. The prevailing view: public opinion.
5. Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.


Fact:

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

2.
a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Have you clicked on Freshwater's name?

Oh, okay. Didn't think so.

[SaraSidle]

. . . it looks like lunch is being served. :hat:

http://www.amiciwodehouse.net/jeeves2.jpg


How are you Sara? Do keep us updated about your job serch.

I have a terrible cold virus FDInLaw but I am still looking. I will update you and please hang around.

[FDInLaw]

I have a terrible cold virus FDInLaw but I am still looking. I will update you and please hang around.Hugs! I hope you get better soon!

Sure hope to stick around. . . I just hope that it is not true that FW is still a moderator here. I thought she left to run her own site, that is why I came back. Guess I will find out one way or the other. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a terrible cold virus FDInLaw but I am still looking. I will update you and please hang around.

Hope you're better soon. My Leroy has some nasty SomethingOrOther too. I hate it when my baby is sick. I'll save you a bowl of Jewish penicillin.

[FDInLaw]

No, actually if you click on Freshwater's name in the thread about limiting smilies in posts (for instance), you get deputydi's information as I posted earlier.
I just hit FW's name somewhere else and got a different poster. . . not deputydi. :shrug: Seems to just be a glitch in the system IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just hit FW's name somewhere else and got a different poster. . . not deputydi. :shrug: Seems to just be a glitch in the system IMO.

Which thread? Maybe the glitch is that different posters get different information when they click her. ;)

[SaraSidle]

Hugs! I hope you get better soon!

Sure hope to stick around. . . I just hope that it is not true that FW is still a moderator here. I thought she left to run her own site, that is why I came back. Guess I will find out one way or the other. :(

I am pretty sure that Hotwater is the moderator here. I have seen some postings. I am sorry Loretta.. I hope he gets better soon.

[FDInLaw]

It's high time that we had some answers. . . there has been mention of missing threads. On the Dirksmeyer forum Nona's condolence thread was deleted around the same time that a thread for her appeared over on 320. Can anyone tell me if it might have been the same thread? I did not see the 320 thread for myself but have heard about it. Is it possible that freshwater took threads from this site and put them on her new one???

[SaraSidle]

FDInLaw I have no idea. Find the closing threads frustrating in may ways because of all the information but at the same time some of the posters were really bashing. I think they thought CrimeLibrary was closing and had no moderator so they let loose. It was quite bad at times. IMO

[FDInLaw]

It's high time that we had some answers. . . there has been mention of missing threads. On the Dirksmeyer forum Nona's condolence thread was deleted around the same time that a thread for her appeared over on 320. Can anyone tell me if it might have been the same thread? I did not see the 320 thread for myself but have heard about it. Is it possible that freshwater took threads from this site and put them on her new one???
Someone was kind enough to send me the link for the 320 thread (some arm chair detective I am lol!). . . it is NOT the missing thread.

[FDInLaw]

I am pretty sure that Hotwater is the moderator here. I have seen some postings. I am sorry Loretta.. I hope he gets better soon.Then why is hotwater not listed as a member??? :eek:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/memberlist.php?do=getall&page=15&order=asc&sort=username&ltr=H

[FDInLaw]

http://www.australianweddingcompany.com.au/images/DSCF1456_480.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I am pretty sure that Hotwater is the moderator here. I have seen some postings. I am sorry Loretta.. I hope he gets better soon.

Thanks Sara! Hope you're feeling better today.

Then why is hotwater not listed as a member??? :eek:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/memberlist.php?do=getall&page=15&order=asc&sort=username&ltr=H

If you do a search for Hotwater, (s)he shows up, but hasn't posted since October '07. ;)

[FDInLaw]

Thanks Sara! Hope you're feeling better today.



If you do a search for Hotwater, (s)he shows up, but hasn't posted since October '07. ;)You're right, it does. What would I do without you! :o

(((((SMOOCH)))))

[FDInLaw]

Well, the poll I posted as well as the post here about it has been deleted.

Come on. . . :flamemad:

Why don't you just go all the way and ban me? It's not you haven't blocked me from posting before for having my say!

It's easy to pretend you have a lot of friends when you sensor anyone that takes issue with your behavior. In time your own deeds will expose you for what you are. Sensor away. . . the truth will come out. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Still waiting for the bolt of lightning. . .

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_info/photos/firestri.jpg

[Happy]

Well, the poll I posted as well as the post here about it has been deleted.

Come on. . . :flamemad:

Why don't you just go all the way and ban me? It's not you haven't blocked me from posting before for having my say!

It's easy to pretend you have a lot of friends when you sensor anyone that takes issue with your behavior. In time your own deeds will expose you for what you are. Sensor away. . . the truth will come out. :seeya:

Hi FDILaw, I do feel your pain. I don't get it. I mean I can see banning people who call others names or attack others, but for expressing your opinion? What happened to freedom of speech?

[FDInLaw]

Hi FDILaw, I do feel your pain. I don't get it. I mean I can see banning people who call others names or attack others, but for expressing your opinion? What happened to freedom of speech?Do you? You've got 3 post for your nic. . .

[FDInLaw]

Tea is served.

http://ottawafoodies.com/static/img/comment/314.jpg

[Happy]

Do you? You've got 3 post for your nic. . .


Yeah, that's what's left. My posts have been deleted in the deleting the forums wars I guess.

[FDInLaw]

Yeah, that's what's left. My posts have been deleted in the deleting the forums wars I guess.Guess if the Dirksmeyer thread went poof that's about how many posts I'd have left too LOL! :seeya:

[tv]

Thanks Sara! Hope you're feeling better today. If you do a search for Hotwater, (s)he shows up, but hasn't posted since October '07. ;)

Is this the same Hotwater that started this board? Whoever it is seems familiar with CL --

http://whatsayyou.net/index.html

[FDInLaw]

Well, the poll I posted as well as the post here about it has been deleted.

Come on. . . :flamemad:

Why don't you just go all the way and ban me? It's not you haven't blocked me from posting before for having my say!

It's easy to pretend you have a lot of friends when you sensor anyone that takes issue with your behavior. In time your own deeds will expose you for what you are. Sensor away. . . the truth will come out. :seeya: Should say "censure". . . :o

Ugh. . . why do I bother writing anything!

[FDInLaw]

Is this the same Hotwater that started this board? Whoever it is seems familiar with CL --

http://whatsayyou.net/index.htmlInteresting. . . thanks for the link!

[SaraSidle]

http://www.australianweddingcompany.com.au/images/DSCF1456_480.jpg

Thank you so much FDInLaw. and thanks for the snacks at tea time. I would really miss you if you stopped posting.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you so much FDInLaw. and thanks for the snacks at tea time. I would really miss you if you stopped posting.

How are you feeling?

Loretta left this for you. . .

http://afridgefulloffood.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/chicken_noodle_soup_thyme.jpg

[tv]

Interesting. . . thanks for the link!

You're welcome. :)

[FDInLaw]

http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/demo/admin/attachments/coffee_cup.jpg

[SaraSidle]

How are you feeling?

Loretta left this for you. . .

http://afridgefulloffood.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/chicken_noodle_soup_thyme.jpg

Hi FDInLaw. Still a little under the weather but your(Loretta's) soup and coffee make me feel a lot better. Thank you again!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Hi FDInLaw. Still a little under the weather but your(Loretta's) soup and coffee make me feel a lot better. Thank you again!!!!!
Huggers! We'll have you back on your feet in no time! :)


:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

A tune to start the day with. . .

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

Turn it up, sing along. . . live a little! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Gosh, that cup of caffeine looks good on this foggy day!

Speaking of It's a Beautiful Day, this was probably written before you were born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rS_SF5L30&feature=related

[FDInLaw]

Gosh, that cup of caffeine looks good on this foggy day!

Speaking of It's a Beautiful Day, this was probably written before you were born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rS_SF5L30&feature=related
Yep. You got me there! :D

[lorettalockhorn]

http://dirtydogstink.com/blog/content/images/RuffledFeathers.jpg

[FDInLaw]

http://dirtydogstink.com/blog/content/images/RuffledFeathers.jpg

Ain't gonna mess you you. . . :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:





:tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Ain't gonna mess you you. . . :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:





:tongue:

What? You no likey my interpretation of someone's ruffled feathers?

[FDInLaw]

What? You no likey my interpretation of someone's ruffled feathers?
So, yins was sayin' my feathers were ruffled??? :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

So, yins was sayin' my feathers were ruffled??? :biggrin:

Not yours. But someone's were/are. Wonder why.

[FDInLaw]

Not yours. But someone's were/are. Wonder why.
Did someone pop in and out and I missed it??? :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[SaraSidle]

Gosh, that cup of caffeine looks good on this foggy day!

Speaking of It's a Beautiful Day, this was probably written before you were born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rS_SF5L30&feature=related

Hey Loretta I have heard that one before. I also feel like I missed out on whose feathers were ruffled!!!!!!!!!!!! Right there with you FDI

[FDInLaw]

Get the guest rooms ready! :)


http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/doc/image.rhtm/Mansion1.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey! Where did you get that pic of my house? Have you been investigating me?? :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Hey! Where did you get that pic of my house? Have you been investigating me?? :hat:
Now, I know for a fact that there are no mansions like that in the River Valley LOL! :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Are too. There are some rich (and beautiful) people all over the state!

[FDInLaw]

Are too. There are some rich (and beautiful) people all over the state!
and you would never see anything like this. . .

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1568/mobilehome4db.jpg



ROTFLMBO!!! :chicken:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.myhouseandgarden.com/recipes/images/high-tea1.JPG

[lorettalockhorn]

hehehe That's a fancy schmancy spread!! That table is too big for my trailer raft. :eek:

[FDInLaw]

hehehe That's a fancy schmancy spread!! That table is too big for my trailer raft. :eek:
Oh, come on! I was just joking about the trailer. . . We all know you live here. . .

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bmi/gfx/governorshouse.jpg

Give my love to Mike! :biggrin:

LMBO. . . :chicken:

[SaraSidle]

Oh, come on! I was just joking about the trailer. . . We all know you live here. . .

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bmi/gfx/governorshouse.jpg

Give my love to Mike! :biggrin:

LMBO. . . :chicken:


LOL You both are way too funny. Glad you are here!!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

LOL You both are way too funny. Glad you are here!!!!!!!!!!Did you get the joke? That's our governor's mansion LOL! :biggrin:

I kill me! :D

How ya feelin' today???

[SaraSidle]

I am actually feeling better FDI and I am glad. Still very weak but better. I love reading you and Loretta's posts.

[FDInLaw]

I am actually feeling better FDI and I am glad. Still very weak but better. I love reading you and Loretta's posts.Hope you are 100% soon!

Loretta and I are both waiting for news in the Dirksmeyer case. . . sure glad we have a place to hang! Jeeves sure takes care of us! :)

Loretta is a human polygraph. . . you should see her at work on a case. She can spot a line of crap from outer-space lol!

Which cases do you like to follow?

[lorettalockhorn]

I am actually feeling better FDI and I am glad. Still very weak but better. I love reading you and Loretta's posts.

Hey Sara! :seeya: Hope you're back to feeling like yourself ASAP. Leroy is taking his sweet time getting over his crud. And he sounds like a foghorn. Which is all the more reason to make sure he takes his Nyquil on time.

I was looking for a pic of Mike Huckabee's "triple wide" but haven't found one yet. Of course, back when the governor's mansion was a trailer, he was kinda wide himself!

[FDInLaw]

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/29/72/23287229.jpg


Hint, hint. . . :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

http://members.aol.com/kissofvanity/GRAPHICS/SimpsonDoh.jpg

[FDInLaw]

Too busy watchin' soaps to keep your box clean. . . now I forget what I was going to write! :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

How about we give Jeeves a break and head out to a place like this???

http://www.beachcomber.com.au/news/images/Le%20Cabanon%202007e.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Too busy watchin' soaps to keep your box clean. . . now I forget what I was going to write! :biggrin:

Sorry, I was watching Chucky take a bullet to the head while Stumpy was trying to make out with The Man in the Yellow Hat. :punch:

That beach looks so nice! Anyone here ever been to the Estero/Sanibel/Naples FL area? Beeyootifull

[FDInLaw]

http://www.elitetravelinternational.com/images/trip_for_cancer/images/tfc_2007/LaPlayaBeachResortNaples.jpg

I'm packed and ready to go!

:hat:

[SaraSidle]

Oh I would love it. My favorite cases are Jon Benet and Natalee Holloway but I also love lurking on others.

[Mishell1383]

bom chica wow wow!!!

:)

I have missed my friends! How are you all!? :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

bom chica wow wow!!!

:)

I have missed my friends! How are you all!? :seeya:

Oh, Let me love me some Mishell!!!

(((((SMOOCH!!!)))))

It's soooooooooooooooooooo good to see you my friend! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

I see you have your slippers on Mishell. . .

http://www.shoefrenzy.net/images_museum/2003pinkfuzzy.jpg

I told Jeeves to ready all the rooms. . . did you find yours to your liking??? :)

[SaraSidle]

what excellent taste you have FDInLaw

[FDInLaw]

what excellent taste you have FDInLawOh no, that's all Mishell. This is more my style:

http://www.shopthefrontier.com/VFstore/images/CA_11_147.jpg

What kind do you like? :)

[lorettalockhorn]

bom chica wow wow!!!

:)

I have missed my friends! How are you all!? :seeya:

hehehe I was just showing this vid to Leroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxxAwue7Fs

[SaraSidle]

Wow Loretta quite the video. I like it. and FDI those are more my taste than the first pair.

[Mishell1383]

hehehe I was just showing this vid to Leroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxxAwue7Fs
omg that is the best commercial! hahaha too funny.

[Mishell1383]

I see you have your slippers on Mishell. . .

http://www.shoefrenzy.net/images_museum/2003pinkfuzzy.jpg

I told Jeeves to ready all the rooms. . . did you find yours to your liking??? :)
he did a great job. You guys kept this place in tip top shape! :)

[SaraSidle]

Mishell FDInLaw also feeds us and she is great in the kitchen.

[FDInLaw]

Mishell FDInLaw also feeds us and she is great in the kitchen.
It's all Jeeves. . . :o

[FDInLaw]

http://www.theabbeyresort.com/dining/images/lg_sunday_brunch.jpg

http://www.sheratonanchoragehotel.com/newImages/JOSEPHINES_BRUNCH.jpg


Hold me back ladies!!! I'm gonna blow my diet. . . :chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

How am I supposed to choke down oatmeal and yogurt after seeing all that???

(Is that a Fire Chief caladium on the buffet table?)

[SaraSidle]

what a wonderful buffet.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

http://www.corporatecaterers.co.nz/images/Morning_Tea.jpg

How is everyone today?

[lorettalockhorn]

Today? I'm still hung up on 3/31/08, 12:07pm. LOL

Just watching a few minutes of Simon&Simon. Quick question: AJ or Rick? Rick for me!

Your coffee looks good! And is that chocolate on the saucer??

[FDInLaw]

Today? I'm still hung up on 3/31/08, 12:07pm. LOL

Just watching a few minutes of Simon&Simon. Quick question: AJ or Rick? Rick for me!

Your coffee looks good! And is that chocolate on the saucer??Nothing gets by you does it? :biggrin:

Simon&Simon. . . which is which? I forget. :o I think I like Rick best but I'm not sure.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, there's no telling what gets by me. You gotta figure that if some of this stuff is so obvious, that there's no telling what is undetectable. :eek:

Okay, Rick is the older brother; Gerald McRaney (remember Major Dad?). Kinda bald. (Have I mentioned that I love bald men?) Mustache. AJ is Jameson Parker; cute blond and very young looking for his age.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.domoni.com/me/archives/simonsimon.jpg

I like AJ best. . . (you can call me a prep if you like lol! :tongue: )

[lorettalockhorn]

Nooooooooooooooooo Rick is hawt!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Nooooooooooooooooo Rick is hawt!!!!!!!!Sorry, facial hair is a deal breaker for me. I take care of my skin and don't need help exfoliating it lol!

[SaraSidle]

Thank you for the coffee. I would take either Simon or Simon myself.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for the coffee. I would take either Simon or Simon myself.I like your style. :biggrin:

Actually, if I recall, AJ was a bit of a mama's boy. . . was he not? Really girls, you have me at a loss. I don't have cable, and back when that show was on prime time my parents wouldn't let me watch it much. . . yep, just a young thing here lol! :o

[SaraSidle]

I like your style. :biggrin:

Actually, if I recall, AJ was a bit of a mama's boy. . . was he not? Really girls, you have me at a loss. I don't have cable, and back when that show was on prime time my parents wouldn't let me watch it much. . . yep, just a young thing here lol! :o

My goodness. You are a young thing. I remember Rick as handsome and more mature. But I would still take either.

[lorettalockhorn]

I like your style. :biggrin:

Actually, if I recall, AJ was a bit of a mama's boy. . . was he not? Really girls, you have me at a loss. I don't have cable, and back when that show was on prime time my parents wouldn't let me watch it much. . . yep, just a young thing here lol! :o

hehehe Their mama was a little wild too! I hear ya on the facial hair; I hate beards, but can tolerate a well-groomed mustache. Mostly I likey the bald head.

Sara, they were both drunker than Hooter's coot in one of today's episodes. Too funny.

That reminds me. Martini anyone?

[SaraSidle]

thanks Loretta Dirty Martini is my fav.....Wish I could watch those reruns. We do not have them here.

[Renegade]

Gosh, that cup of caffeine looks good on this foggy day!

Speaking of It's a Beautiful Day, this was probably written before you were born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rS_SF5L30&feature=related

OMG this is one of my all-time favorite songs!! Thank you for posting this link!

[lorettalockhorn]

Renegade, did you see how many different videos there are of that song at youtube? Love electric violin. (Love Renegade/Lorenzo Lamas too!)

[SaraSidle]

OMG this is one of my all-time favorite songs!! Thank you for posting this link!

I have to agree Lorretta Brought back lots of memories for me. THank you!!!!!!

[EmeraldEyes]

http://www.theabbeyresort.com/dining/images/lg_sunday_brunch.jpg

http://www.sheratonanchoragehotel.com/newImages/JOSEPHINES_BRUNCH.jpg


Hold me back ladies!!! I'm gonna blow my diet. . . :chicken:

I love food. Where can I get me all of that?

[FDInLaw]

I love food. Where can I get me all of that?
Will room service do?

http://www.victorianfarmhouse.com/images/BREAKFAST_TRAY.JPG

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[Mishell1383]

Will room service do?

http://www.victorianfarmhouse.com/images/BREAKFAST_TRAY.JPG

Welcome to the board! :seeya:
how about a breakfast/brunch buffet in my room! :)

[SaraSidle]

LOL I am gaining weight just visisting this thread.

[Seashell]

how about a breakfast/brunch buffet in my room! :)

cheeky! :D

[Seashell]

LOL I am gaining weight just visisting this thread.

ditto! :D

[FDInLaw]

It's been a downer of a day. . .

Anyone what to split this with me????

http://cakedelivery.com.au/images/mud%20cake.jpg

[SaraSidle]

It looks absolutely lovely FDI. thank you

[Mishell1383]

It's been a downer of a day. . .

Anyone what to split this with me????

http://cakedelivery.com.au/images/mud%20cake.jpg
ummm ya! i'll split it. me 80-you 20% haha jk!!

[SaraSidle]

ummm ya! i'll split it. me 80-you 20% haha jk!!

YOU also have to share with me!!!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

ummm ya! i'll split it. me 80-you 20% haha jk!!

YOU also have to share with me!!!!!!!!!!!


You're so generous, Mishell. :tongue: 20% would still blow my diet lol!

Sara, you're so sweet I propose that we get you a whole cake! :)


Mornin' Everyone! :seeya:

[EmeraldEyes]

It's been a downer of a day. . .

Anyone what to split this with me????

http://cakedelivery.com.au/images/mud%20cake.jpgFDInLaw, I don't share. I'll be happy to take it off your hands.

I eat 5 of those every day. :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

FDInLaw, I don't share. I'll be happy to take it off your hands.

I eat 5 of those every day. :biggrin:Wow, this place is filled with generous people lol! Won't be surprised if Jeeves has to tell us to take it outside. :biggrin:


http://blogs.mediavillage.com/tv_maven/archives/bros%20and%20sis%20food%20fight.jpg

"That's my chocolate cake, you. . . "

[TallaTonight]

It seems this is the happening place to be. I was not aware this site was still here until I received a Birthday Greeting. It is very lovely that you have maintained a board that I thought had expired. You should all be commended for this excellent dedication to the cases you are instrumental in. I observed the vast amount of you have formed lasting friendships with your slippers and daily fun activities, This is much needed in forums that carry High Profile Cases. I am delighted to see this forum is still up and running.

[FDInLaw]

It seems this is the happening place to be. I was not aware this site was still here until I received a Birthday Greeting. It is very lovely that you have maintained a board that I thought had expired. You should all be commended for this excellent dedication to the cases you are instrumental in. I observed the vast amount of you have formed lasting friendships with your slippers and daily fun activities, This is much needed in forums that carry High Profile Cases. I am delighted to see this forum is still up and running.
HUGS! It's wonderful to see you posting! :seeya:

Spread the word. . . there are a lot of folks that don't know that this site is still open. :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Happy Belated Birthday!

http://pixeldiva.typepad.com/pix/blogday.jpg

[TallaTonight]

Happy Belated Birthday!

http://pixeldiva.typepad.com/pix/blogday.jpg

Ah, you are such a caring hostess. I am glad I ate it before another food fight broke out, again thank you for being so hospitable.

[FDInLaw]

Ah, you are such a caring hostess. I am glad I ate it before another food fight broke out, again thank you for being so hospitable.
Wish I could have offered you more. . . some over jealous chocoholic took off with what was left of my chocolate cake! :cuss:






Tee Hee Hee. . . you've got to eat fast in this joint! :biggrin:

Hope you had a wonderful Birthday Talla Tonight! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Wish I could have offered you more. . . some over jealous chocoholic took off with what was left of my chocolate cake! :cuss:






Tee Hee Hee. . . you've got to eat fast in this joint! :biggrin:

Hope you had a wonderful Birthday Talla Tonight! :seeya:

hahaha LOL that would be me

[FDInLaw]

Mornin' Folks!

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/images/muffin_bananaapricot.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Happy Belated Birthday Talla! :beer:

FD, that was a beautiful chocolate cake. It almost, almost made me want to bake one.

[SaraSidle]

Thank you for breakfast!!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Happy Belated Birthday Talla! :beer:

FD, that was a beautiful chocolate cake. It almost, almost made me want to bake one.If you can bake a cake that looks that good, my birthday is coming up in June. . . I don't mind celebrating early though. :D

[SaraSidle]

Does this mean you are a Gemini?

[SaraSidle]

Gosh, that cup of caffeine looks good on this foggy day! peaking of It's a Beautiful Day, this was probably written before you were born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rS_SF5L30&feature=related

I listened again. this song is so beautiful.

[FDInLaw]

Does this mean you are a Gemini?No. I'm a crab lol! :o

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm a crab too! (Guess that doesn't come as a big surprise. LMAO)

[SaraSidle]

No. I'm a crab lol! :o

Well I should have known with all the food between the both of you. Crabs are wonderful at food.

[Mishell1383]

Scorpio!!! yaaaa so mysterious! oohh la la

[Canadian Bum]

What's a girl got to do for a drink around here? :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

What's a girl got to do for a drink around here? :seeya:

Whatcha want??? :biggrin:

[Canadian Bum]

Hey FD :seeya: Rye & Water please. Keep em comin! I've got 6 months of catching up to do. :read: :beer:

[FDInLaw]

Hey FD :seeya: Rye & Water please. Keep em comin! I've got 6 months of catching up to do. :read: :beer:It's good to have you back! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Mornin' Folks!

http://www.spousebuzz.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/28/rooster.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Good afternoon all. :seeya: My FDInLaw! That rooster looks like he has a pretty good set of lungs on him. Not sure he'd last long around my house.http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0023.gif (http://www.val-u-computers.co.uk)

[FDInLaw]

Good afternoon all. :seeya: My FDInLaw! That rooster looks like he has a pretty good set of lungs on him. Not sure he'd last long around my house.http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0023.gif (http://www.val-u-computers.co.uk)Do you like this rooster better???
:D

http://media.torontolife.com/dynimages/features/theFishStoreMain.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Noooooooooooooooo! LOL. Sorry, I don't eat meat.

I'll take a plate of these along with a loaded baked potatoe (minus the bacon). Yummy! http://i32.tinypic.com/35m3xg7.jpg

[FDInLaw]

Noooooooooooooooo! LOL. Sorry, I don't eat meat.

I'll take a plate of these along with a loaded baked potatoe (minus the bacon). Yummy! http://i32.tinypic.com/35m3xg7.jpg:punch: Shame on me. . . I didn't know. :o

Oh and, since when is seafood not "meat"???? :shrug:


:biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

:punch: Shame on me. . . I didn't know. :o

Oh and, since when is seafood not "meat"???? :shrug:


:biggrin:

LOL you sound just like my kids. http://www.websitegoodies.com/smilies/gfx/happy0193.gif

Meat;
The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish.

flesh, veal, mutton, lamb, chicken, turkey, goose, duck, rabbit, venison, goat's meat, horsemeat, beef pork.

Cuts and types of meat include: roast, cutlet, steak, filet, leg, shoulder, loin, sirloin, tenderloin, rib, short rib, round, rump, chuck, brisket, plate, skirt, shank, flank, chop; liver, brains, kidneys, heart, bacon, ham, tripe, oxtail, sausage, frankfurter, hamburger; ground, chipped, dried, jerked, salt, pickled.