Unidentified Female, Franklin County, GA

[fsbiii]

"The area being searched is about a mile from Exit 164 on Interstate 85."

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/14/womans-skeletal-remains-found-near-interstate-85/

"So far, the GBI says the bones found belong to an adult woman and have been there no longer than three years."

http://www.wneg32.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WNEG/MGArticle/NEG_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351197669&path=

Approx. 267 miles from Ocilla...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=ocilla,+ga&daddr=carnesville,+ga&sll=34.380704,-83.234653&sspn=0.062053,0.106602&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=31.877558,-81.870117&spn=8.168263,13.64502&z=6

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for posting this info - it sounds as though womens clothing was found with the remains. I hope this helps to identify the person sooner.

From the article....
Snip
But officials have determined that the remains, including clothing, are that of a woman, Agent Heinen said.

[Its just me]

Thanks for posting this info - it sounds as though womens clothing was found with the remains. I hope this helps to identify the person sooner.

From the article....
Snip

Article:



The GBI is investigating skeletal remains found in Franklin County. Some local residents found the remains Sunday while working in the woods off of Akin Road and Highway 320. Using dogs , the GBI and Franklin County Sheriff's Deputies have been scouring the area collecting evidence. It hasn't been easy because they are facing rough swamp like terrain. So far, the GBI says the bones found belong to an adult woman and have been there no longer than three years. Once all the bones are collected they'll take them back to the lab to determine the cause of death, and the victim's id.

"We'll start locally and expand out. Of course since it's along the interstate we have that possibility as well," says GBI Special Agent in Charge John Heinen. "We'll check surrounding states. We also have search and rescue dogs searching the area to help us locate evidence."


The GBI hopes to have a clothing description of what the victim was last wearing by Tuesday

GBI Special Agent in Charge John Heinen is a top of the line LE person. I think he did an excellent job reporting what was found and what will be done in the investigation. He was in Douglas, Coffee County, a few years back and asked for a transfer. Losing Agent Heinen was a great loss to the Cofee Co area. IJM

[fsbiii]

No new info:

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=92135

[dallasvic]

They did a great job in determining everything and with what little they have I Hope and Pray they are able to find out who this person is for the sake of the family they must have left behind.

[fsbiii]

Some more info, not much more though. Est. time of death between 2004 and February 2007

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/16/search-continues-parts-womans-skeleton/

[concernedperson]

The article indicated that all county records have been searched and that only 2 women missing since 2005 were unresolved. So that would be Tara and Leslie Adams in Georgia. Also intimated but not confirmed is that the skull and hands were found.

[Hey Paula]

The article indicated that all county records have been searched and that only 2 women missing since 2005 were unresolved. So that would be Tara and Leslie Adams in Georgia. Also intimated but not confirmed is that the skull and hands were found.

DNA testing of the remains should be able to confirm or deny whether they are those of either Tara or Leslie Adams. Of course, it is also possible the remains are those of a missing female from another State, transported to, and hidden/buried in, Georgia.

I hope and pray the remains are identified, as this woman's family needs to know what has become of their missing loved one, and her remains delivered to them.

:rose:

[fsbiii]

I didn't read the article to mean 2 women missing from the State, I thought he meant 2 from that county. Stand to be corrected. Are there no other women who went missing from Georgia in 2005 other than Tara Grinstead and Leslie Adams?

"Jimmy LeCroy, an investigator with the Franklin County Sheriff’s Office, said all the county’s missing-person reports have been reviewed. All have been resolved except for two women previously reported missing in 2005, he said."

The article indicated that all county records have been searched and that only 2 women missing since 2005 were unresolved. So that would be Tara and Leslie Adams in Georgia. Also intimated but not confirmed is that the skull and hands were found.

[Brainstorm]

Like your signature,fizz,Gbbgk,maybe thats my language,identified finally.lol

[Atok]

DNA testing of the remains should be able to confirm or deny whether they are those of either Tara or Leslie Adams. Of course, it is also possible the remains are those of a missing female from another State, transported to, and hidden/buried in, Georgia.

I hope and pray the remains are identified, as this woman's family needs to know what has become of their missing loved one, and her remains delivered to them.

:rose:

How close is Lilburn (where Leslie Adams is from)to this dumping spot? I know it doesn't make things more conclusive, just curious if this location is closer or farther from Leslie's locus or Tara's origination. People can be transported from anywhere, I know. It also could be neither women as Paula pointed out.

DNA would determine what race the deceased is and that will help narrow the possibilities as well. No matter who it is, people need their closure and proper burial.

[readmylips]

How close is Lilburn (where Leslie Adams is from)to this dumping spot? I know it doesn't make things more conclusive, just curious if this location is closer or farther from Leslie's locus or Tara's origination. People can be transported from anywhere, I know. It also could be neither women as Paula pointed out.

DNA would determine what race the deceased is and that will help narrow the possibilities as well. No matter who it is, people need their closure and proper burial.

augusta would be closer to lilburn than to ocilla and a pretty easy trek at that. i don't know exactly how far it is but i would say a couple of hours. interstate driving for the majority of it.

i hope they determine something soon or at least rule out tara and leslie.

[fsbiii]

Franklin County is about 65 miles northeast of Lilburn, GA. I-85 would be the connector between the two for traveling, as well.

How close is Lilburn (where Leslie Adams is from)to this dumping spot? I know it doesn't make things more conclusive, just curious if this location is closer or farther from Leslie's locus or Tara's origination. People can be transported from anywhere, I know. It also could be neither women as Paula pointed out.

DNA would determine what race the deceased is and that will help narrow the possibilities as well. No matter who it is, people need their closure and proper burial.

[Brainstorm]

I know nothing about anthropology but was wondering how they came up with the window of 2005 to Feb 2007 as the timeframe this person went missing. I have also never been in a swampy area. Is there something unique about the swamps that makes it hard to pin down a timeframe for death? TIA. JMO.
Thats an excellent question. Cant wait for some of your responses..
jmho

[Hey Paula]

I know nothing about anthropology but was wondering how they came up with the window of 2005 to Feb 2007 as the timeframe this person went missing. I have also never been in a swampy area. Is there something unique about the swamps that makes it hard to pin down a timeframe for death? TIA. JMO.

Hi BL!

An initial examination by the forensic anthropologist placed this woman's death at sometime between the year 2004 and February 2007. They found her skull and hands. Although I'm not an anthropologist, I would say the degree of bone deterioration/decay is what allows them to make that determination. Unfortuately, apparently animals in the wild had also gotten at the remains. Forensic anthropologists can determine the gender, race, age and manner of death from examining the bones, if enough of the corpse is recovered.

IMO

[One2Snoop]

Thank you for your response, Paula. I guess I was thinking that a corpse would decompose pretty rapidly in the open environment of the Georgia swamps and that there would be very little soft tissue left, only bones. That's why I was wondering why they put a window on the time of death. If you're dealing with bones, how do you immediately determine sex, age and time of death. IIRC from the first article fsbiii posted, they said she was an adult female who had passed between 2005 to Feb 2007. I just thought that analysis was remarkable considering they had just come across the find and thought there was new science out there. I'm hoping they can extract enough DNA from what they have found to at least determine who this poor unfortunate woman is. May she rest in peace.:rose:

From my understanding they can tell if the bones belong to a man or woman from the pelvis - so this is probably how they determined it was a woman right away.

Here's an interesting article I had posted at one time - its a bit long but worth reading.

"Indentifying Skeletal Remains"
http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/LarryJetmore/articles/125313/

[Mishell1383]

I'm anxious to find out who this victim is...

[Maybaby59]

This article is dated May 15, but had some info that I hadn't read.

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/15/agents-continue-investigate-skeletal-remains-found/

Agents continue to investigate skeletal remains found near I-85

BY MJ KNEISER WNEG Radio
Tuesday, May 15, 2007

Agents with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation will spend another day today slogging through mud and muck hoping to recover more skeletal remains from a Carnesville creek off Ga. 320.

On Tuesday, Franklin County Public Works crews began pumping water out of the creek on Akin Road.

“They are draining the creek and the surrounding areas with low-lying water to get us a better look at what might be under the water. So, we’re kind of waiting for that to happen. Then, we’ll bring the dogs back in and look a little more,” explained GBI Special Agent in Charge John Heinen.

Local citizens tending to beaver dams in the area found the bones Sunday. They called Franklin County Sheriff’s deputies, who confirmed the bones are human. GBI investigators, search-and-rescue dogs and the GBI Medical Examiner have been on the scene since early Monday morning.

So far, about 40 percent of the remains have been recovered. Mr. Heinen said it’s still too soon to determine if foul play is involved.

Crews blew up two beaver dams Tuesday and moved out other debris from the creek, hoping to have a better look at what might be down there, but the process has taken longer than expected.

“We thought it would be a little quicker,” Mr. Heinen said. “We’ve got some sandbags, but we didn’t bring enough so we had to call for more to kind of stop the water on both ends. … It’s pretty deep. It’s up to 6 or 7 feet deep in some areas. We’ve got big pumps out here and we’re just watching the level go down.”

The remains have been identified by forensic anthropologist Rick Snow as that of a woman. He estimated the bones have been there for at least three years. More of the remains must be found before work can begin on making a positive identification.

For now, investigators can do nothing but stand and wait until the rest of the creek is drained, a process they hope will be completed today.

“Then we’ve got the terrain to deal with after that ... It’s going to be another messy day for us,” Mr. Heinen said.

He said they have had a number of calls from law enforcement agencies and families who reported missing persons going back three years or more, but as long the rest of the bones remain buried in the mud, there’s little chance of finding out who the woman is.

[One2Snoop]

He said they have had a number of calls from law enforcement agencies and families who reported missing persons going back three years or more, but as long the rest of the bones remain buried in the mud, there’s little chance of finding out who the woman is.

Interesting, so are they saying they have no skull or teeth? I believe if they have at least that, they can do a comparison to dental records.

Praying whoever this person belongs to will finally have peace in knowing where she is. :rose:

[dallasvic]

from what I have been able to gather up they only have few bones and some clothing, but they are still looking. I am sure since they stated it was female that they did find the pelvis bone. Being in the swamp I am sure gators and other type scavengers have strewn it about.

[One2Snoop]

from what I have been able to gather up they only have few bones and some clothing, but they are still looking. I am sure since they stated it was female that they did find the pelvis bone. Being in the swamp I am sure gators and other type scavengers have strewn it about.

Thank you dallasvic - I have to agree with you, god rest this woman's soul. :rose: :rose: :rose:

[dallasvic]

Good morning, One2Snoop,

Can't they get DNA from bones? I would think that the GBI has the DNA of the missing women on file to compare with whatever they find from these skeletal remains. JMO.

They can get DNA from bones if they are not to old.Other wise they use nuclear DNA testing. They said these bones could be several years old if I remember correctly and I am sure it would depend on the amount of bones found if it is enough there to use. I believe they have only found small pieces. I don't think you need much for nuclear DNA.

[dallasvic]

Thank you for the response, dallasvic. The ME annouced that the bones were female so they probably have enough to test, IMO. I suspect it will be quite some time before they are able to identify this person, if they ever are able to. JMHO.

Thank you for being so kind:)
Last I heard they were still looking trying to find all they could. So that tell me this ME knows his business and will do a good job and hopefully the woman family can have some closure.:rose:

[TuscanDreams]

They can get DNA from bones if they are not to old.Other wise they use nuclear DNA testing. They said these bones could be several years old if I remember correctly and I am sure it would depend on the amount of bones found if it is enough there to use. I believe they have only found small pieces. I don't think you need much for nuclear DNA.

Thanks for the info!

One of the homicide detectives that I work with told me that bones can be identified to a specific person, without DNA, only it's hard. He said that dental records, etc are a great place to start. He also said that maybe the victim had a broken arm that healed, years prior to her death. He stated that this would show up as some type of calcification to the bone and they could potentially link a victim to the bone that way. Hope that makes sense, it took me a while to figure out what he meant. :patriot:

[dallasvic]

Thanks for the info!

One of the homicide detectives that I work with told me that bones can be identified to a specific person, without DNA, only it's hard. He said that dental records, etc are a great place to start. He also said that maybe the victim had a broken arm that healed, years prior to her death. He stated that this would show up as some type of calcification to the bone and they could potentially link a victim to the bone that way. Hope that makes sense, it took me a while to figure out what he meant. :patriot:
Yes that is true. I have heard that also, if they have surgery and have a hip replacement and thing like that they sure can. Hope they find out soon so this woman can go home to her family and be at peace and not in a swamp were someone likely dumped her body. I am sure she did not walk off in a swamp to kill herself:shrug:

[dallasvic]

That's the thing that is so cruel to me. If this woman was murdered, why dump her in a swamp? That is just so inhuman and cold. I'll never in my life be able to understand how one human being can take the life of another but to dispose of a person in such a way is really beyond me. On some level I understand that once we die our souls are in a better place and our earthly remains mean little. But, I still believe in humanity and dignity. IMO, whoever harmed Tara was very personally connected to her and meant for her death to be hurtful, in more ways than one. JMHO.

Hey,
I could not give you any rep's yours is turned off ,so I will say TYVM.:seeya:
You don't think this is Tara do you? I hope its not !!!

[Results]

This article is dated May 15, but had some info that I hadn't read.

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/15/agents-continue-investigate-skeletal-remains-found/

Agents continue to investigate skeletal remains found near I-85

BY MJ KNEISER WNEG Radio
Tuesday, May 15, 2007

He said they have had a number of calls from law enforcement agencies and families who reported missing persons going back three years or more, but as long the rest of the bones remain buried in the mud, there’s little chance of finding out who the woman is.

They don't just have LE calling they have familes calling about these remains. These families that have called and are waiting for the results to come in my prayers are with you! :rose:

[Results]

Hey,
I could not give you any rep's yours is turned off ,so I will say TYVM.:seeya:
You don't think this is Tara do you? I hope its not !!!

Hey dallas and welcome to the Tara forum. Trust me you can still give reps even though they are turned off.

[dallasvic]

Believe me, dallasvic, I don't need or want anymore rep:) That really doesn't matter to me. I hope and pray this is not Tara. In my heart I feel she is deceased, in my dreams I hope she lives. My point was that no human being deserves to be discarded so callously. Life means so very much and to disregard a human being as trash is beyond my comprehension. I've come to care very much for Tara on so many levels it's very hard to explain. I believe she was a very beautiful, young woman with so much life ahead of her. I also believe she had some problems. What I find so difficult to believe is that someone was so cruel, so mean as to take her out of this life and not give her family the closure they so deserve. I have a very young daughter and I can't imagine my life without her. I especially can't imagine what I would do if she just suddenly disappeared. How would I reconcile my daily life to that mystery? I couldn't. I would go out of my mind. I want Tara to be found, deceased or alive, I want her mother to be able to take that deep breathe of relief, one way or the other. There are thousands of missing people in this country. There are thousands of parents suffering. I don't know what attracted me to this case and I don't think I ever will. But I do know that I want the suffering to end. I want these people to find peace, in this life time. I want them to get on with the very limited life we are all afforded. I hate to see suffering of any kind, but I very truly hate what this woman's, Tara's, parents, are going through. If I had one wish, it would be that Tara would be found, alive! JMVHO. Sorry to go on so much! Brooke.
I totally understand how you feel , I to have a daughter but she is 30 but still my baby and my beautiful granddaughter just over a year old. I would go insane if they were not here. The thing that gets me kids are NOT supposed to die before their parents and theses days it seem sometimes that all you read about is kids dying and killing others and so on and so on. Here go going on and on I do know how you feel.
The avatar is a pic's I took at 12noon while ago. its my backyard !!!!Maybe that will CHEER you up:beer:
TYFBSK

[dallasvic]

They don't just have LE calling they have families calling about these remains. These families that have called and are waiting for the results to come in my prayers are with you! :rose:
i hope and pray that they find enough to make a id anyway for the families sake:rose:

[Path_to_Hope]

Oh wow, some of these articles make me think there is a 50/50 chance the remains are Tara's. I read it to say there are only 2 women missing in Ga during the time frame LE thinks the body has been there. Has anyone heard any news today on this?

[TuscanDreams]

Oh wow, some of these articles make me think there is a 50/50 chance the remains are Tara's. I read it to say there are only 2 women missing in Ga during the time frame LE thinks the body has been there. Has anyone heard any news today on this?

As I remember on the GBI website, I did only see 2 women missing from this time frame.

It's a sad moment for the family of the victim, yet may be a relief to know that a conclusion has been reached. :rose:

[dallasvic]

As I remember on the GBI website, I did only see 2 women missing from this time frame.

It's a sad moment for the family of the victim, yet may be a relief to know that a conclusion has been reached. :rose:
I totally agree. On one hand I do not want it to be either one and then one the other hand I say yes for some kind of closure to the families. It has been a while and they need something so they can get on with their lives.
:rose: MY Heart And Prayers Are With The Girls & Their Families:rose:

[fsbiii]

http://www.theyaremissed.org/

Searching January 2004 thru February 2007 (which was the timeframe mentioned in an earlier story on the remains found), that site pulls up 9 women (including Tara), and Leslie Adams isn't included. So that's at least 10 in the timeframe missing from GA, and I am sure there are others. I think 2 different articles are saying the bones appear to have been there over 3 years, too. The interstate locale makes me think it could be a woman from another state just as easily as from GA. JMO.

Maybe an answer will be coming soon...

[dallasvic]

http://www.theyaremissed.org/

Searching January 2004 thru February 2007 (which was the timeframe mentioned in an earlier story on the remains found), that site pulls up 9 women (including Tara), and Leslie Adams isn't included. So that's at least 10 in the timeframe missing from GA, and I am sure there are others. I think 2 different articles are saying the bones appear to have been there over 3 years, too. The interstate locale makes me think it could be a woman from another state just as easily as from GA. JMO.

Maybe an answer will be coming soon...

I surly PRAY that they find out soon . I am sure the waiting to find out for the families it soooooo Horribly that all that has happened in their families and now the not knowing one way other the other is putting a GREAT strain on the families. I can not even phantom their hearts are just about to break in to . :rose: God Keep Them Strong :rose:

[concernedperson]

Here is an article that explains mtDNA. It seems even small bones can be identified by this process if they have the mother's DNA.In the case of Tara and Leslie, that DNA is available so we will know as soon as the testing is complete.

It is nuclear DNA that degrades over time not mtDNA. So no skull or teeth are necessary. I seem to remember in the Scott Peterson murder trial that some people thought disarticulated head and hands would prevent identification. Well, we learned that wasn't the case. He sits on death row as we speak.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bomber/mtdna.html

[dallasvic]

Here is an article that explains mtDNA. It seems even small bones can be identified by this process if they have the mother's DNA.In the case of Tara and Leslie, that DNA is available so we will know as soon as the testing is complete.

It is nuclear DNA that degrades over time not mtDNA. So no skull or teeth are necessary. I seem to remember in the Scott Peterson murder trial that some people thought disarticulated head and hands would prevent identification. Well, we learned that wasn't the case. He sits on death row as we speak.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bomber/mtdna.html


Hey Thanks Concerned,
I am so glad to hear this. So these families can possibly have a answer soon if :rose: God Will :rose: Hearts And Prayers Are With The Girls And Families:rose:

[concernedperson]

Hey Thanks Concerned,
I am so glad to hear this. So these families can possibly have a answer soon if :rose: God Will :rose: Hearts And Prayers Are With The Girls And Families:rose:

Yes, answers need to surface. It has been too long for Tara which is a case that I always thought was solvable.

[dallasvic]

Yes, answers need to surface. It has been too long for Tara which is a case that I always thought was solvable.

Since it has been so long do you still think it is solvable?I am sure the bones will tell a story , but will it be Tara's story?
:rose: As Always Prayers with the Family:rose:

[TuscanDreams]

This is where I get so screwed up on this case. I know that there have to be more missing people from GA, yet this is all the GBI has on their site:

Bill Farrer 5'6" 185-195 M September 13, 2002
Stephanie Howard 5'6" 155 F December 1 , 2001
Tara Grinstead 5'3" 125 F October 22, 2005
Teresa Dean 4'10" 75 F August 15 , 1999
Christopher Thompkins 5'9" 130 M January 25 , 2002
Allyson Romedy 5'2" 120 F March 1, 2002
Jimmy Maughon 5'11" 195 M April 8, 1985
Verdell Moore 5'6" 130 F June 15, 2003
Deborah Jean McKneely 5'6" 155 F January 29, 1991
Terry Eugene Rouse 6'2" 180 M May 11, 1991
Virginia Lee 5'4" 135 F August 10, 1985
Shy'Kammia Pate 4'4" 59 F September 4, 1998
Brian DeWayne Hobbs 6'3" 165 M August 29, 1994
Sherri Vanessa Holland 5'5" 115 F August 16, 1996
Helen Ann Morgan 5'7" 114 F May 16, 1984
Tim Guy 6'1" 210 M February 6, 1987
Christoph "Chris" Zahn 6' 160 M April 28, 1992
Sabrina Long 5'6" 127 F August 14, 1991
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/missing.html

That's the only link I've found that has missing GA persons. Can someone post a link to show all of the missing persons? This isn't to bag on the GBI, but I think they need to update that site.

[fsbiii]

I posted a link to a site above, and Brooklyn's mentioned the # of missing persons in Georgia before. If you can't read my posts, then maybe someone else can help you out.

[TuscanDreams]

http://www.charleyproject.org/

Try this site. You can search a variety of ways, e.g., by state, year, etc. They show 123 people missing from Georgia. JMHO.

You rock! Thank you for that info! Maybe it's a lack of funding, but the GBI should have a better site for their missing- JMO.

[fsbiii]

The GBI isn't involved in every missing persons case in Georgia, that's why they don't list them all on their site. IMO. I'm not "in LE" or anything though... LOL

[dallasvic]

Hi Everyone,
I am SORRY but I have one quick thing to say to the PERSON that send me a neg rep quote ( Enough with the roses). And I SAY TO YOUUUU ! If you are not big enough to sign your rep neg or not its pretty lame. You can tell someone something on a post and if that is your opinon, but I guess you can't do that becauseeeeeeeeeee they would know you name right , righttttttttttttt.
SORRY EVERYONE I am out of here

[dallasvic]

SORRY ABOUT EARLIER:(
I see there is no news on the bones they found yet. Hopefully soon.
People need answers:read:
:seeya: Later

[Path_to_Hope]

SORRY ABOUT EARLIER:(
I see there is no news on the bones they found yet. Hopefully soon.
People need answers:read:
:seeya: Later

I agree, we need some answers. It has now been a week since a news article said GBI was going to release the clothes description. Maybe I missed it in my searching around since I saw this thread. I would be willing to guess that the bones have been sent for DNA testing. Maybe there will be some news any day now.

[fsbiii]

"The GBI hopes to have a clothing description of what the victim was last wearing by Tuesday."

That was in an article from last Monday/Tuesday, but nothing since then regarding clothes. I didn't know if that meant they would "disclose" to us what the clothes were or if they were just gonna know by then themselves.

It wouldn't hurt, IMO, to say what clothing was found. They have stopped with the search at this point, so why not discuss some of it to see if it opens any doors or solves any missing persons cases?

I agree, we need some answers. It has now been a week since a news article said GBI was going to release the clothes description. Maybe I missed it in my searching around since I saw this thread. I would be willing to guess that the bones have been sent for DNA testing. Maybe there will be some news any day now.

[scubadvr99]

This is where I get so screwed up on this case. I know that there have to be more missing people from GA, yet this is all the GBI has on their site:

Bill Farrer 5'6" 185-195 M September 13, 2002
Stephanie Howard 5'6" 155 F December 1 , 2001
Tara Grinstead 5'3" 125 F October 22, 2005
Teresa Dean 4'10" 75 F August 15 , 1999
Christopher Thompkins 5'9" 130 M January 25 , 2002
Allyson Romedy 5'2" 120 F March 1, 2002
Jimmy Maughon 5'11" 195 M April 8, 1985
Verdell Moore 5'6" 130 F June 15, 2003
Deborah Jean McKneely 5'6" 155 F January 29, 1991
Terry Eugene Rouse 6'2" 180 M May 11, 1991
Virginia Lee 5'4" 135 F August 10, 1985
Shy'Kammia Pate 4'4" 59 F September 4, 1998
Brian DeWayne Hobbs 6'3" 165 M August 29, 1994
Sherri Vanessa Holland 5'5" 115 F August 16, 1996
Helen Ann Morgan 5'7" 114 F May 16, 1984
Tim Guy 6'1" 210 M February 6, 1987
Christoph "Chris" Zahn 6' 160 M April 28, 1992
Sabrina Long 5'6" 127 F August 14, 1991
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/missing.html

That's the only link I've found that has missing GA persons. Can someone post a link to show all of the missing persons? This isn't to bag on the GBI, but I think they need to update that site.


TD, I remember the Pate case very well. It is a child from Unadilla. There is still no answer on that one, just rumors too. I guess that is the thing that frustrates me... the length of time that all of these people have been missing and no answers. I hope that this case doesn't end up like that. Someone knows something about each of these people.

[scubadvr99]

SORRY ABOUT EARLIER:(
I see there is no news on the bones they found yet. Hopefully soon.
People need answers:read:
:seeya: Later

I agree, don't worry about earlier. I have gotten a few myself with no signatures. Guess drive by negatives may be a way for some LOL!

I'll probably get dinged for this LOL!!!

[carnesvillega]

I am wondering why no more info is coming out, I live VERY close to the swamp where the bones were found. this is a rural community and we never expect anything like this. I drive past that swamp every day.

[Mishell1383]

I agree, don't worry about earlier. I have gotten a few myself with no signatures. Guess drive by negatives may be a way for some LOL!

I'll probably get dinged for this LOL!!!
LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DRIVE BY NEGATIVES !! ahahahahahaha :lol:

[Path_to_Hope]

I am wondering why no more info is coming out, I live VERY close to the swamp where the bones were found. this is a rural community and we never expect anything like this. I drive past that swamp every day.


Hi,

Is there any info you can give us that hasn't been put out in the media yet? Just curious how you choose Tara's case to talk about the remains that were found.

[Maybaby59]

I am wondering why no more info is coming out, I live VERY close to the swamp where the bones were found. this is a rural community and we never expect anything like this. I drive past that swamp every day.

Hi and welcome!

Has there been no info in your local/community newspaper either?

Trish :seeya:

[carnesvillega]

No more info than what has already been posted. I just did a web search to find news on "unidentified remains found in ga swamp" and i found this page.I have been searching for info daily since it is so close to my home. I used to not worry if my doors were locked when i am home but now i do. i watch what traffic comes by. I have heard rumors that they were not able to find the skull of this person. I dont know.

the local paper is www.franklincountycitizen.com

[concernedperson]

Hi,

Is there any info you can give us that hasn't been put out in the media yet? Just curious how you choose Tara's case to talk about the remains that were found.

Someone sent me some new info but the link won't work properly and I am not sure about posting info because of copywrite laws. I will check to see what I can post. I think it is 10% of the article.

[Hey Paula]

Does anyone have a member account with OnlineAthens.com? When Google searching for more info, the 5th link down the page caught my eye. I've copied and pasted the wording from the link, which appears to be newer info since it's dated 5/21 as opposed to original articles I've seen dated 5/15.

OnlineAthens.com | News | Police need help to ID remains found ...
A breast implant also was found with the woman's remains. The items were recovered during a three-day search of the area by GBI agents and Franklin County ...
www.onlineathens.com/stories/052207/news_20070522056.shtml - May 21, 2007 - Similar pages

Here is the Google link search page I used:

http://www.google.com/search?q=woman%27s+remains+found+in+franklin+count y+GA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a (http://www.google.com/search?q=woman%27s+remains+found+in+franklin+count y+GA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[carnesvillega]

they said a breast implant was found along with remains, foul play suspected, expect to release clothing description later this week.can be read at www.independentmail.com

[concernedperson]

Does anyone have a member account with OnlineAthens.com? When Google searching for more info, the 5th link down the page caught my eye. I've copied and pasted the wording from the link, which appears to be newer info since it's dated 5/21 as opposed to original articles I've seen dated 5/15.

OnlineAthens.com | News | Police need help to ID remains found ...
A breast implant also was found with the woman's remains. The items were recovered during a three-day search of the area by GBI agents and Franklin County ...
www.onlineathens.com/stories/052207/news_20070522056.shtml - May 21, 2007 - Similar pages

Here is the Google link search page I used:

http://www.google.com/search?q=woman%27s+remains+found+in+franklin+count y+GA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I have all the info and I thought I would mention that a breast implant has a serial number and can be traced. So, hopefully someone will be reunited with their loved one soon.

[dixinites]

Question of the day: Did Tara have implants?

[Hey Paula]

I have all the info and I thought I would mention that a breast implant has a serial number and can be traced. So, hopefully someone will be reunited with their loved one soon.

Thanks, CP!

Thank God, the remains of this unfortunate woman will soon be identified and returned to her loved ones for proper burial.

With this latest info, can we safely assume the remains are not those of Tara?

[Hey Paula]

Question of the day: Did Tara have implants?

Perhaps it is a question only a family member, or someone who knew Tara for many years, can answer.

IMO

[dixinites]

Perhaps it is a question only a family member, or someone who knew Tara for many years, can answer.

IMO

Indeed it is a question that a family member or close friend could answer. Perhaps someone will.

[readmylips]

someone sent the following to me about the person found.

"Clothing discovered with the remains consists of size 8 ½ black Reebok Classic hi-top tennis shoes; a medium size, dark colored, long-sleeved Chesley brand sweater; a pair of size 10, dark colored Courtenay brand capri-type pants; and one pair of white athletic socks with gray toes delineated by a green stripe. A breast implant was also located at the scene."

[fsbiii]

Thanks, RML!

someone sent the following to me about the person found.

"Clothing discovered with the remains consists of size 8 ½ black Reebok Classic hi-top tennis shoes; a medium size, dark colored, long-sleeved Chesley brand sweater; a pair of size 10, dark colored Courtenay brand capri-type pants; and one pair of white athletic socks with gray toes delineated by a green stripe. A breast implant was also located at the scene."

[fsbiii]

I googled those brands and found this odd posting on an ebay chat site from 5-21-07:

"Hello:

I thought that this might be the place that might be able to find the answer to a question: Does anyone know where clothing made by "Chesley" brand and "Courtenay" brand might have been purchased, either from a retail outlet or from wholesale? If anyone can help out, that would be great...thanks!"

http://chatboards.ebay.com/chat.jsp?forum=1&thread=800000000

[readmylips]

I googled those brands and found this odd posting on an ebay chat site from 5-21-07:

"Hello:

I thought that this might be the place that might be able to find the answer to a question: Does anyone know where clothing made by "Chesley" brand and "Courtenay" brand might have been purchased, either from a retail outlet or from wholesale? If anyone can help out, that would be great...thanks!"

http://chatboards.ebay.com/chat.jsp?forum=1&thread=800000000

that is very interesting. someone obviously tracking this unidentified woman. i sure hope they identify her soon. my intial reaction is that the description is that of a woman larger than tara.

[Its just me]

My personal opinion is this is not Tara because I don't think Tara would wear a size 10 pants and I don't see her in this type tennis shoe.
Hopefully who ever it is will be returned to their loved ones. As always its just my 2 cents and can be wrong. MHOO IJM

[Hey Paula]

My personal opinion is this is not Tara because I don't think Tara would wear a size 10 pants and I don't see her in this type tennis shoe.
Hopefully who ever it is will be returned to their loved ones. As always its just my 2 cents and can be wrong. MHOO IJM

Hi IJM!

I agree with you. I think Tara might have worn from a size 6-8 pants, but not size 10. The shoes look more like hiking boots (perhaps because of their muddy condition). I share your hope that her remains are soon identified and return to her loved ones.

IMO

[bornNbred S.GA]

Since very few retail stores advertise these brands it could be a sleuthers or LE's way of nailing down availability...

The interesting element to the body found in Franklin County is the note of breast implants. Many have serial numbers with registration cards... There is a data base. They are relatively easily traced back to the person who purchased them.

[Lindsey]

My personal opinion is this is not Tara because I don't think Tara would wear a size 10 pants and I don't see her in this type tennis shoe.
Hopefully who ever it is will be returned to their loved ones. As always its just my 2 cents and can be wrong. MHOO IJM


I agree IJM, not only the type of tennis shoe but the size. Tara is much too small IMO to wear a size 8 1/2 shoe. My guess would be this woman was taller than Tara.

[Hey Paula]

I agree IJM, not only the type of tennis shoe but the size. Tara is much too small IMO to wear a size 8 1/2 shoe. My guess would be this woman was taller than Tara.

Hi Lindsey!

My niece is 5'3" and wears a size 8-8 1/2 shoe. I'm 5'6" and wear a size 7 shoe. Petite women can have larger feet than taller women.

IMO

[Lindsey]

Hi Lindsey!

My niece is 5'3" and wears a size 8-8 1/2 shoe. I'm 5'6" and wear a size 7 shoe. Petite women can have larger feet than taller women.

IMO

Hey Paula,

I'm sure there are exceptions but the women I know who wear a size 8 1/2 shoe are over 5'6". Maybe someone who knows Tara will weigh in on this.

Somehow I just don't believe the remains that were found are Tara but I could be wrong. I hope we know soon, one way or the other.

IMO

[Its just me]

Hey Paula,

I'm sure there are exceptions but the women I know who wear a size 8 1/2 shoe are over 5'6". Maybe someone who knows Tara will weigh in on this.

Somehow I just don't believe the remains that were found are Tara but I could be wrong. I hope we know soon, one way or the other.

IMO

The only way I think this could be Tara is the pants are not women's but a boy's size 10 with ajustments at the waist and it's still questionable if the boys size 10 would fit Tara. I don't think Tara would wear a woman's size 10 at all. I will be surprised if this Tara but anything is possible. IJM

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula,

I'm sure there are exceptions but the women I know who wear a size 8 1/2 shoe are over 5'6". Maybe someone who knows Tara will weigh in on this.

Somehow I just don't believe the remains that were found are Tara but I could be wrong. I hope we know soon, one way or the other.

IMO

I agree with you Lindsey, as I don't believe they are Tara's remains either. I think one of the GBI's first thoughts were of Tara, given the presumptive time frame of death and age of the victim, (estimated by the anthropologist) so I suspect they contacted Tara's family, supplying them with the details published in the article, and were advised the articles found were not consistent with items belonging to Tara. Of course DNA tests will still be run on the remains to identify the victim and positively exclude other listed missing persons.

From the photos I've seen of Tara's shoes, (the ones she wore to the BBQ the last time she was said to have been seen) they appeared to be at least size 8, IMO. (Comparing them to my size).

IMO

[concernedperson]

I agree with you Lindsey, as I don't believe they are Tara's remains either. I think one of the GBI's first thoughts were of Tara, given the presumptive time frame of death and age of the victim, (estimated by the anthropologist) so I suspect they contacted Tara's family, supplying them with the details published in the article, and were advised the articles found were not consistent with items belonging to Tara. Of course DNA tests will still be run on the remains to identify the victim and positively exclude other listed missing persons.

From the photos I've seen of Tara's shoes, (the ones she wore to the BBQ the last time she was said to have been seen) they appeared to be at least size 8, IMO. (Comparing them to my size).

IMO
I also agree about the shoes. At least a size 8. The clothes could have been junior sizing or not or could have been an online purchase with non standard women's sizing. Similar to purchasing clothes in Europe where you have to convert your own size to the country's measurement standard.

[minga]

Since very few retail stores advertise these brands it could be a sleuthers or LE's way of nailing down availability...

The interesting element to the body found in Franklin County is the note of breast implants. Many have serial numbers with registration cards... There is a data base. They are relatively easily traced back to the person who purchased them.


That's true, it should be identifiable. Let's hope they are looking into that, I would be shocked if they have left that resource untended, well maybe I wouldn't be shocked, but dismayed, when I really think about it.

[One2Snoop]

I have to agree and say this isn't Tara - the clothes look entirely to large for her. And, FWIW I have a SIL whose only 5ft and wears a size nine shoe.

I hope and pray that forensics can determine who this is for her families sake. :rose:

[TuscanDreams]

My personal opinion is this is not Tara because I don't think Tara would wear a size 10 pants and I don't see her in this type tennis shoe.
Hopefully who ever it is will be returned to their loved ones. As always its just my 2 cents and can be wrong. MHOO IJM

I don't think it is Tara, either. My thoughts and prayers go out to the survivors of this victim and I continue to pray for all who care for Tara.

[scubadvr99]

Was watching the CBS station out of Atlanta tonight at 11 and they seem to think it is Leslie Adams. Of course, no confirmation yet. They said it could take months for the DNA testing. They mentioned the clothes as one of the reasons they thought it may be her.

Will just have to keep watching. I am glad that someone/some family will have some closure.

[Brainstorm]

Thanks for that info,scuba....I agree,some family will at last have answers.
jmho

[Seems2me]

LAWRENCEVILLE — The GBI said skeletal remains found in a northeast Georgia county may be those of Leslie Adams, a Lilburn woman missing since October 2005, according to an 11Alive news report.
Ken Dove, a dispatcher for the Franklin County Sheriff’s Office, said no one from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation would confirm who the bones belonged to, but that the body appeared to be that of a woman who had been in a swampy area near Carnesville for less than two years.
Cpl. Darren Moloney, a spokesman for the Gwinnett County Police Department, said it would take the GBI about two months to do tests that would identify the body.
“We don’t know who she is,” he said in an e-mail.
Jeff Roesler, who is handling the case for the GBI, did not return a phone call Tuesday night seeking comment.
The remains were found near Ga. Highway 320, Dove said, along with some clothes, by the people who own the property as they were clearing their land. Interstate 85 goes through Franklin County, which is on the South Carolina border.
Adams was reported missing Oct. 25, 2005, under suspicious circumstances, investigators said. She was 40 at the time and had last been seen Oct. 20 at an Atlanta night club, where she saw a concert.
At her apartment on Jodeco Circle near Lawrenceville Highway and Harbins Road, officers found a Winchester .45 shell casing and blood spatter at the foot of her bed.
The single mother of two teenagers was a hairstylist and had a temporary protective order to keep Billy Joe Cook, her estranged boyfriend, from contacting her.
Cook was held on two counts of aggravated stalking in March of last year after he allegedly called Adams several times on the night she vanished. Cook said in a probable cause hearing last year that he was trying to patch things up with Adams.
Cook was not considered a suspect in Adams’ disappearance, which is still considered a missing persons case.

[Its just me]

LAWRENCEVILLE — The GBI said skeletal remains found in a northeast Georgia county may be those of Leslie Adams, a Lilburn woman missing since October 2005, according to an 11Alive news report.
Ken Dove, a dispatcher for the Franklin County Sheriff’s Office, said no one from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation would confirm who the bones belonged to, but that the body appeared to be that of a woman who had been in a swampy area near Carnesville for less than two years.
Cpl. Darren Moloney, a spokesman for the Gwinnett County Police Department, said it would take the GBI about two months to do tests that would identify the body.
“We don’t know who she is,” he said in an e-mail.
Jeff Roesler, who is handling the case for the GBI, did not return a phone call Tuesday night seeking comment.
The remains were found near Ga. Highway 320, Dove said, along with some clothes, by the people who own the property as they were clearing their land. Interstate 85 goes through Franklin County, which is on the South Carolina border.
Adams was reported missing Oct. 25, 2005, under suspicious circumstances, investigators said. She was 40 at the time and had last been seen Oct. 20 at an Atlanta night club, where she saw a concert.
At her apartment on Jodeco Circle near Lawrenceville Highway and Harbins Road, officers found a Winchester .45 shell casing and blood spatter at the foot of her bed.
The single mother of two teenagers was a hairstylist and had a temporary protective order to keep Billy Joe Cook, her estranged boyfriend, from contacting her.
Cook was held on two counts of aggravated stalking in March of last year after he allegedly called Adams several times on the night she vanished. Cook said in a probable cause hearing last year that he was trying to patch things up with Adams.
Cook was not considered a suspect in Adams’ disappearance, which is still considered a missing persons case.

Thank you Seems2Me and everyone who has been kind enough to post information on this case. IJM

[dallasvic]

[quote=Seems2me;8860731]Cpl. Darren Moloney, a spokesman for the Gwinnett County Police Department, said it would take the GBI about two months to do tests that would identify the body.

Why would it take two months? I thought someone posted that breast implants have serial numbers that are easily tracked. JMVHO.

Hi Brook,

The only way I came up with, but I know at one point they mentioned it was believed to be so far just bones from one person, and nothing else has been said , but IMO they could have found bones that could possibly be more than 1 person. What do you think ?

[Atok]

I read that the implant they found was of an older variety and did not have serial numbers on it that they could track. I also read that Ms. Adams DID have a breast implant, so this leans more heavily towards the identification being her, but the family said the clothes weren't right.

Still waiting for more conclusive tests I suppose.

[hypnotized]

Has there been anything new reported on these remains? I thought that they may have been able to identify this poor soul based on the serial numbers associated with the implants. I guess not. JMVHO.

This is the latest that I found, nothing new though: (hope it's not a repeat!)

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/may/29/officials-look-dna-womans-identity/

Officials look to DNA for woman’s identity
By Pearce Adams
Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Identification of skeletal remains found about two weeks ago in Franklin County could depend on who matches the fine print.

Or the digital signature from deoxyribonucleic acid or DNA.

Michael Ayers, assistant special agent in charge of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s Athens office, said the results are expected in about two months.

“Without DNA there is simply no way we can identify this person,” Mr. Ayers said.

Some of that material has been extracted from the recently discovered bones. Making a match assumes there is corresponding information on file or a relative who would submit to testing.

So far, officials know the bones belong to a woman. The bones were discovered near Reebok shoes, a Chesley sweater, Capri pants and white socks. The woman was probably between 30 and 50 years old. Her remains had been in a swampy area between Ga. 320 and Akin Road from three months to three years, according to Dr. Rick Snow, forensic anthropologist with the GBI.

Foul play is suspected.

The site is about two miles north of Exit 164 on Interstate 85.

Mr. Ayers would not speculate on the woman’s identity or to reveal information about connections 70 miles west at the former Gwinnett County apartment of missing woman Leslie Adams.

Ms. Adams’ breast implant, troubled relationship with a boyfriend, age and timetable for disappearance meet the criteria established by the anthropologist. Ms. Adams was 40 when she went missing in October 2005.

“There are similarities,” was all Mr. Ayers would say.

[scubadvr99]

Thanks for the update. Hopefully, they could put a rush on identification so that some family may have closure in searching for their loved one.

:rose: