The Murder of Channon Christian/Christopher Newsom

[User615]

I am surprised I have not seen more about this on the message boards. This is about as ugly as it gets.

[User615]

That is so SO, SOOOO cruel!!! It's a black-on-white crime. So expect to see it on every KKK and Nazi site or forum.

I wasn't aware we had rules about skin color when posting crimes. Seems you have issues about it. Sad you aren't more concerned about the victims. I guess you have your own agenda.

[kristen]

My gawd, I don't think I've come across a more horrific story. I feel sick.

[CaroleNichols]

I think you misunderstood me. I said it is "very very cruel" referring to what the victims went through. I then said that you'll find it on the KKK sites. I said that because you said in your post that you had not seen more on the crime on message boards. You will most likely see black-on-white murders on KKK and Nazi boards rather then crime discussions. I don't know why it's like that. I will not apologize, as it is NOT my fault that you read my statement the wrong way.
Hi Beautiful One, I agree, this is hideous, and I'm surprised I haven't already heard about it because I live in the south. Probably the reason you don't see a lot of racially mixed crimes on the message boards here is that too many people DO get heated up because of skin color.....it doesn't make it right, IMO, but if you visit other sites that do post black/white, hispanic/white, asian/black, etc....you will see the degree of abuse that is thrown at certain posters. I'm glad I haven't encountered any of that here. :seeya:

[CaroleNichols]

I am surprised I have not seen more about this on the message boards. This is about as ugly as it gets.

Hi User615, I noticed that your link has a February date. Do you have any further information as to why these young people were treated so?

[User615]

Hi User615, I noticed that your link has a February date. Do you have any further information as to why these young people were treated so?

No, I really don't. I stumbled across it through another story. As someone noted, it's been kept pretty well hidden in the media. I can only guess, that she was the "college yuppie" with the new Toyota and it was a matter of jealousy, revenge, oppression (pick any emotion you like). Car jacking is bad enough, but this is some form of real rage, which is even more scary.

[User615]

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=284406

[1]

I live in the south & this is the first I've heard or seen of it.
Unbelievable. Just how unspeakably horrific.

User615, would I be correct in assuming that you had stated that you were surprised that this crime was not posted anywhere on the message board because it is a crime of particular horror & heinus?

That's the way I understood it...and I agree. You would think that this story would be front page news on our IP main page.

I just read a horror/abduction/overkill double murder crime.

I saw two tortured victims & multiple perpetrators/monsters.

If you brought up anything whatsoever in your post pertaining to skin color or race, please point it out to me, as I have re-read it & see none.

If it makes the front page of racist redneck webpages, all I can say is I will be oblivious to it, as I am not one to check those sites for a peak into their insights & headlines.

[User615]

I live in the south & this is the first I've heard or seen of it.
Unbelievable. Just how unspeakably horrific.

User615, would I be correct in assuming that you had stated that you were surprised that this crime was not posted anywhere on the message board because it is a crime of particular horror & heinus?

That's the way I understood it...and I agree. You would think that this story would be front page news on our IP main page.

I just read a horror/abduction/overkill double murder crime.

I saw two tortured victims & multiple perpetrators/monsters.

If you brought up anything whatsoever in your post pertaining to skin color or race, please point it out to me, as I have re-read it & see none.

If it makes the front page of racist redneck webpages, all I can say is I will be oblivious to it, as I am not one to check those sites for a peak into their insights & headlines.

Yes, it's selective editing. Nancy Grace spent months on Scott Peterson, but I heard she only gave this story one day. I live in TN, and I just now heard about it, so it has been "swept under the rug" so to speak. Race relations aren't the best right now, so this could be the reason it has been giving such a lowkey treatment, considering the Duke fiasco. As far as getting into it with "Beautiful One"....well...pass.

[dallasvic]

I hear you on that . I would rather spend more time talking about the case then going back and forth about things that do not apply!! Is that not what these post are far. I am new so tell me if I am wrong!! IMO

[MaggieMay]

What a dreadfully sickening crime..Those two young people, how awful.

[dallasvic]

These kids did not deserve to die like that.IMO Be jealious or not this is not exceptible. Those kids suffered daerly for no reason. What is the world coming to?:rose: to the knids and they familys:rose:

[Mishell1383]

I just noticed this story today, as well it has made me sick. I'm a little rattled by the air time anna nicole has had and as well, Imus in the morning. Something has gone horribly wrong here, and we are just finding out about this? I'm very confused and I am outraged by the pain and torture and humiliation these young folks came to endure!? Does anyone have nay updates? A trial? New Evidence? A Motive atleast?

[Athena]

Sad to say I knew about this case from other boards but shied away from it because of the racial undertone on some of them. (not all). This was a horrific crime and it doesn't matter what the race of the killers were. There is far more black on black crime in the US; why this was not publicized is beyond me unless as Carol says above it was to deter potential racial backlash but crimes like this should not buried. I haven't seen much media coverage on it at all and I can't believe some of the comments on You-tube from both black and white posters.

Those poor kids. :rose:

These guys and the woman involved deserve whatever they get and then some and I can assure all that most black people feel the same way. JMO

[Athena]

Organizers seek to end '07 violent crime wave

Five homicides in four weeks - it was clear to Nate Allen that Knoxville had a problem the police department couldn't address on its own.

http://kindralore.blogspot.com/2007/02/channon-christian-christopher-newsom.html

More coverage through today:

http://www.volunteertv.com/special

[Kimbo]

Where is Al Sharpton? Hiding from this one ain't he? I just read about this on Crime Library, and am shocked that it got so little media attention.WHY NOT!is everyone scared that the blacks are gonna get mad? Well, who gives a dang.To heck with all that racism crap. A crime is a crime,not matter what color person did it.It makes me sick to have to hear all that junk every day. The young people are gonna bring this country to it's knees.No morals,no work ethics,no compassion for anyone,drugs etc...I could go on and on.To think that our Great Country is inhabited by people like these five who committed this terrible deed,is so disheartening.Everytime I watch the news about the war in Iraq, my first thought is, how are we over there fighting a war, when the war is over here? I seriously doubt that the younger generation could ever be brought under control again. What is wrong with people? oh yea, before I forget,Al needs to go to the nursing home,sit down and shut the heck up!

[Mishell1383]

The young people are gonna bring this country to it's knees.No morals,no work ethics,no compassion for anyone,drugs etc...I could go on and on.To think that our Great Country is inhabited by people like these five who committed this terrible deed,is so disheartening.Everytime I watch the news about the war in Iraq, my first thought is, how are we over there fighting a war, when the war is over here? I seriously doubt that the younger generation could ever be brought under control again.

I dont necessarily think all young people should be classified into this one group. That isn't fair for us. I would never even dream of committing an act of murder nevermind a torturous and prolonged disturbing one. I do agree with you on the war, and that it is a "war" we have in our own country, but don't belittle us "young" people for what 5 horrific animals have succeeded in doing.

[Athena]

I dont necessarily think all young people should be classified into this one group. That isn't fair for us. I would never even dream of committing an act of murder nevermind a torturous and prolonged disturbing one. I do agree with you on the war, and that it is a "war" we have in our own country, but don't belittle us "young" people for what 5 horrific animals have succeeded in doing.

Great post Mishell. I am presuming you are young and you responded with great poise. Kudos to you. :) I agree that you cannot lump any people into one category. I have a 17 year old and 21 year old and even though I'm their mother I have to say they are both well-mannered and very considerate of others and can safely venture to say they would not engage in any criminal act. This was a heinous and horrific act and I cannot even imagine........ JMO

[Mishell1383]

Thank you Athena I really appreciate that comment, especially from a forum guru such as yourself :)
I am young, 23. And I try hard to educate myself and stay up on current events as much as possible, maybe some members of my generation will succeed in being able to live and lead as well as the past generations beforehand. I have great hope in us.


ps. when are these maniacs going to fry !!!!! that would be an easy way out for them.. they make me sick...

[Athena]

Thank you Athena I really appreciate that comment, especially from a forum guru such as yourself :)
I am young, 23. And I try hard to educate myself and stay up on current events as much as possible, maybe some members of my generation will succeed in being able to live and lead as well as the past generations beforehand. I have great hope in us.


ps. when are these maniacs going to fry !!!!! that would be an easy way out for them.. they make me sick...

I believe the trial starts May 17th. The woman's hearing was this past Monday and she is being held on $1M so I seriously doubt she will make bail. I would imagine for the guys the bail would be much higher which is a good thing!

I hope they get what they deserve in jail -- prior to being put on death row! Even hardened criminals will hate what they did. It was a totally senseless crime! JMO

[dallasvic]

I totally agree with Mishell & Athena,

We need more young ones getting involved and taking action.A crime is a crime.You play you pay~!!!
If anything they need to use this kids as as exsamples to they world that kids can not do this to othere kinds:no:

[TN_Profiler]

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

[Lauramj39]

a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

[dallasvic]

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

I have noticed that alot of kids do not realize what they are doing at the time until they feel they have went this far and in their minds if they don't kill the person(s) they will be witness against them, but what they don't realize is that if they had of stopped before it got out of control, the charges would not have been so severe.One person instigates the crime and others follower.So they believe it is not going to happen and once it is started they all are guilty.I believe the followers do it out of fear.For ex sample:They tell themselves if they are doing this to them and if I do not help they might do the same to me.
I believe they the crime should fit the time they spend in prison. Die a slow death.These kids all had choices and chose to kill.

[CaroleNichols]

I believe the trial starts May 17th. The woman's hearing was this past Monday and she is being held on $1M so I seriously doubt she will make bail. I would imagine for the guys the bail would be much higher which is a good thing!

I hope they get what they deserve in jail -- prior to being put on death row! Even hardened criminals will hate what they did. It was a totally senseless crime! JMO

Hello, Athena. The only info I'm getting here in the south has come from the board. Do you know if the media and cameras will be allowed into the courtroom? Do you know if any of the defendents have "cut a deal" with the DA's office in exchange for their testimony against the others?
I do hope that security is increased at the courthouse, because my gut feeling is that there will be some retribution coming from "white supremists" of one faction or another.

[Athena]

Hello, Athena. The only info I'm getting here in the south has come from the board. Do you know if the media and cameras will be allowed into the courtroom? Do you know if any of the defendents have "cut a deal" with the DA's office in exchange for their testimony against the others?
I do hope that security is increased at the courthouse, because my gut feeling is that there will be some retribution coming from "white supremists" of one faction or another.

Hi Carole :seeya:

I do understand that there is going to be a "march" on the day of the motions which is scheduled for May 17th. I can't answer the other questions. Unfortunately in looking up info I ventured into some cites that I would not even want to post a link to but you'll find them quickly enough.

I have to say though that there are both sensible, decent white and black folks commenting on some of the nasty comments so that is a relief. If you read the www.volunteer link (sorry forgot the whole link) above it is basically just factual coverage and takes you from the time they were reported missing and actually has a copy of the warrants issued. One of the guys was not indicted for the kidnapping, raping and murder charge but is being charged as an accomplice in the car-jacking. I believe the woman has also been charged with rape but it appears to have been a horrific crime.

I don't know if a plea bargain will be offered; I haven't read that and I certainly hope it is not. I have read though that it is still undecided whether the death penalty will be sought. Death might just be too easy. They should be put in with the hardened criminals that hate rapists and child molesters.

One of the articles I read actually described in detail what happened and ended with a statement that death was a relief from what they had endured. I cry every single time I read an article about what happened to these poor kids not including that my stomach churns and my throat tightens up. OMG - it is just heinous. :rose:

[Athena]

I have noticed that alot of kids do not realize what they are doing at the time until they feel they have went this far and in their minds if they don't kill the person(s) they will be witness against them, but what they don't realize is that if they had of stopped before it got out of control, the charges would not have been so severe.One person instigates the crime and others follower.So they believe it is not going to happen and once it is started they all are guilty.I believe the followers do it out of fear.For ex sample:They tell themselves if they are doing this to them and if I do not help they might do the same to me.
I believe they the crime should fit the time they spend in prison. Die a slow death.These kids all had choices and chose to kill.

You know what though -- that may be true in some cases where things start out as a prank or dare you..... but this case is not really not about that. All of the people involved in this were beyond cruel. This is going way beyond what you are suggesting. I think that with children killing other children or like the incident where teens set that homeless man on fire maybe -- but not this. This is was incomprehensible. Have you read the entire description of events? It is totally sickening. This was beyond "follow the leader". I think fear may have been what stopped neighbors from reporting they heard something because they were afraid of these guys and repercussions.JMO

[Athena]

a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

I have the same question re: her being involved in the rape but I did not read she was the ringleader. I read that the ringleader was her boyfriend. Maybe because she helped hold them down or something like that? She is 18 and her boyfriend I believe is 23. Two of the guys are brothers and one has not been indicated on the kidnapping, rape and murder only the carjacking. It's in the links above.

[Athena]

I was just talking to my H about this case and I asked him how this girl could be charged with rape and he said it's possible she may have used a foreign object and that is also considered rape.

[Lauramj39]

thank you..thats what I was thinking..I just cannot understand why there is not more outrage about this crime.

[TN_Profiler]

Assuming you have ruled out the "normal" method of assualt, this can also be done by using an instrument to sexaully assault a victim. They could also force a person to perform certain acts. I am choosing not to provide examples but think you can draw conclusions.

There are countless ways but suffice to say it is nothing short of gruesome, cruel, and heinous.



a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

[Athena]

Assuming you have ruled out the "normal" method of assualt, this can also be done by using an instrument to sexaully assault a victim. They could also force a person to perform certain acts. I am choosing not to provide examples but think you can draw conclusions.

There are countless ways but suffice to say it is nothing short of gruesome, cruel, and heinous.

That's what my H said (see above) that a foreign object was probably used. Unfortunately the details in this case are gruesome and anyway you can imagine these people were abused was done and then some kind of drain cleaner was poured down the throat to destroy DNA. I just hope that was done after death......
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[dallasvic]

That's what my H said (see above) that a foreign object was probably used. Unfortunately the details in this case are gruesome and anyway you can imagine these people were abused was done and then some kind of drain cleaner was poured down the throat to destroy DNA. I just hope that was done after death......
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They it was something large that was used on her. As for the bleach I thought it was to cover up sperm from oral sex ,so she would have been alive. To cover up the DNA there,She would have had to swallow it and if you dead you will not swallow The sperm would have been swallowed traveling to her stomach. Very sick thought JMO:flamemad:
MY HEARTS GO TO THE FAMILIES:rose:

[Mishell1383]

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

[dallasvic]

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

Hey Sweetie, you hang in there OK!! We need you and more young people like you to help change things. I am a mother and grandmother.My daughter is 30 and Granddaughter .Avery is one. I worry about them all the time. That is why I read some about crimes and solving them.We all have to stick together and try to make things better for our children.
I was hoping that the reason this had so little attention was they wanted to spare the families of the kids horrific torture. I don't see how anyone can do such and not care. This saddens me deeply

:rose: Heres To You Mishell
To The Families your in our prayers:rose:

[CaroleNichols]

Hey Sweetie, you hang in there OK!! We need you and more young people like you to help change things. I am a mother and grandmother.My daughter is 30 and Granddaughter .Avery is one. I worry about them all the time. That is why I read some about crimes and solving them.We all have to stick together and try to make things better for our children.
I was hoping that the reason this had so little attention was they wanted to spare the families of the kids horrific torture. I don't see how anyone can do such and not care. This saddens me deeply

:rose: Heres To You Mishell
To The Families your in our prayers:rose:
Me, too, Athena. I have 2 daughter, one of which is far away at college in PA, and I worry about her all the time. The other has given me 4 granddaughters (2 of them identical twins), and I STILL worry about her too. The families of the victims are in my prayers, and what is so sad to me, I know the families of the accused are hurting too, for at least some of those kids were surely loved as we love our children. Wasted lives all the way around

[CaroleNichols]

Me, too, Athena. I have 2 daughter, one of which is far away at college in PA, and I worry about her all the time. The other has given me 4 granddaughters (2 of them identical twins), and I STILL worry about her too. The families of the victims are in my prayers, and what is so sad to me, I know the families of the accused are hurting too, for at least some of those kids were surely loved as we love our children. Wasted lives all the way around
sorry, dallasvic, never do anything before your first cup of coffee!!!

[Athena]

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

No reason to be excused - if anyone doesn't feel sick over this .......

I did not realize she was alive when they poured the cleaner; I couldn't read the entire article because my stomach was turning and my eyes were tearing. I was just hoping it was after death; in my previous post I believe I put "drain" in front of cleaner and not sure why I did that but it appears to be erroneous not that it makes much of a difference. OMG......... :rose:

[Mishell1383]

You guys are the best :)))

I just read that Coleman and Davidson have two kids!!!!!!!

"I don't know him, but I do know him," says Brittany Hunley, who lives next door to the house where Channon Christian was found. "Him and his girlfriend lived here with their two children. I really don't know much about them. They come in and out, people come in and out of their house and stuff."
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5150607.html

This story gets more and more disturbing... Those poor little children, I wonder how old they are.

[dallasvic]

sorry, dallasvic, never do anything before your first cup of coffee!!!

What do you mean by that? I do not understand!!:confused:

[Mishell1383]

when she responded to your post she referred to you as Athena. She realized after she posted it

[Mishell1383]

You know what though -- that may be true in some cases where things start out as a prank or dare you..... but this case is not really not about that. All of the people involved in this were beyond cruel. This is going way beyond what you are suggesting. I think that with children killing other children or like the incident where teens set that homeless man on fire maybe -- but not this. This is was incomprehensible. Have you read the entire description of events? It is totally sickening. This was beyond "follow the leader". I think fear may have been what stopped neighbors from reporting they heard something because they were afraid of these guys and repercussions.JMO


I agree with you here Athena, the removing of his genitals before he died, seems to me to be a F*** you, not only did we humiliate you by having you raped by 3 men and a female, but we'll remove your one last hint of any manhood you possessed. And they cut off one of her breasts, right? That is by far going way beyond the limits of any dare. I still can't stop wondering what made them keep the couple like this for some sick pleasurable fetish game, instead of letting them go and just stealing the car, AND how do you discuss with your macho male buddies about gang raping another man? Maybe that is immature of me or naive, but its still a burning question that I keep wondering about.:cuss:

[dallasvic]

when she responded to your post she referred to you as Athena. She realized after she posted it


Ok thanks I was confused, but not know.
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[Levi]

Hi guys, we should get Nancy Grace on this case. It needs more attention. More than Paris Hilton, or OJ Simpson.

Click here to read a radio report on the double murders of Newsom/Christian.

http://tinyurl.com/2pg476

Also email http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?24
Tell Nancy to get on the case! :patriot:

[Athena]

Hi guys, we should get Nancy Grace on this case. It needs more attention. More than Paris Hilton, or OJ Simpson.

Click here to read a radio report on the double murders of Newsom/Christian.

http://tinyurl.com/2pg476

Also email http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?24
Tell Nancy to get on the case! :patriot:

I don't know if you provided an incorrect link but the above url is not to a radio report re: the murders. If it wasn't a mistake, I don't understand what the purpose was? :confused:

[TN_Profiler]

I'd have to say that this crime has more to do with intense amounts of anger, hatred, and barbaric acts of sexual sadism than it does with any "follow the leader" behavior.

Because this was a prolonged act of torture, it clearly rules out "heat of the moment" defense or crimes that perps blame on drug use. I think this has everything to do with meaness that is beyond the understanding of normal human beings. There are crimes that can be explained and then there are crimes that transcend our conscious. This crime goes far beyond any level I can comprehend.

These thugs are truly without compassion or empathy. The fact that two innocent people had to endure barbaric torture for so long and none of the thugs could see fit to stop doing what they were doing is disgusting.

They lack the humanity that is necessary to be a member of the human race.

[Levi]

I don't know if you provided an incorrect link but the above url is not to a radio report re: the murders. If it wasn't a mistake, I don't understand what the purpose was? :confused:
I just posted a link to the radio report because it was the 1st show that got the murders national attention.

The OTHER link I posted was a form to get the murders on Nancy Grace's show. http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?24

I posted what each link was in the post. I don't understand the confusion.

[Athena]

I'd have to say that this crime has more to do with intense amounts of anger, hatred, and barbaric acts of sexual sadism than it does with any "follow the leader" behavior.

Because this was a prolonged act of torture, it clearly rules out "heat of the moment" defense or crimes that perps blame on drug use. I think this has everything to do with meaness that is beyond the understanding of normal human beings. There are crimes that can be explained and then there are crimes that transcend our conscious. This crime goes far beyond any level I can comprehend.

These thugs are truly without compassion or empathy. The fact that two innocent people had to endure barbaric torture for so long and none of the thugs could see fit to stop doing what they were doing is disgusting.

They lack the humanity that is necessary to be a member of the human race.

ITA with your synopsis! They did not act as human beings! JMO

[Athena]

I just posted a link to the radio report because it was the 1st show that got the murders national attention.

The OTHER link I posted was a form to get the murders on Nancy Grace's show. http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?24

I posted what each link was in the post. I don't understand the confusion.

I'm sorry I was not clear. The radio link you provided was to a Michael Savage Show and I got that. But when I listened to it I did not hear the murder mentioned unless I missed it? I heard him talk about Phil Spector, Fort Dix, a Pastor from Harlem on Obama/Hillary, statement by Bill Maher, and a political discussion with Marcus Garvey which prompted my ? re: incorrect link.

[SallyG]

I fail to understand why the race of the perpetrators makes any difference. They did what they did and they are simply monsters who apparently have no idea how to live in civilized society. They need to be executed!! If anyone deserves the death penalty, these creeps do.

[Mishell1383]

I agree, but race will always be a factor. its just the way society has broughten us as a country. Constantly basing everything on race. But I will be honest, I also do wonder... IF this couple was black would they have treated them the same way?

[Athena]

I agree, but race will always be a factor. its just the way society has broughten us as a country. Constantly basing everything on race. But I will be honest, I also do wonder... IF this couple was black would they have treated them the same way?

I sincerely the believe the question to this would be yes. So far nothing has come out saying this was a "hate crime". It could have been this young couple were in the wrong place when these savages went looking for their prey. There are decent blacks that are accosted by other black criminals far more often than hate crimes "black on white" or "white on black" put together and then some. I'm not trying to downplay it just that there have been no details that I have read that indicate it was a crime based on race but that could change as details of the case come out when the trial starts. JMO

[missSarah]

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

100% agree........... very, very disturbing. Bad enough one person doing this horrific crime but as a group.... wow, I can't wait to hear about these losers going to jail.... maybe there will be a bit of the good ole jail house justice for them. I would think the woman is really in for it. How totally disturbing.

[SallyG]

The best way justice could be served in this case is to hand each and every one of the perpetrators over to the families of the 2 victims.

If one of my children had been one of the victims, I'd love to get my hands on them!! Each of them would definitely pay for what they did!!!

[Maybaby59]

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

Hi TN Profiler!

I spend a lot of my free time reading here at CL and just happened upon this thread. I believed I had already read/heard of the most depraved acts that could be inflicted upon a human being...but this crime is far beyond anything I thought was possible.

I am hopeful that those who were involved receive the harshest punishment possible by the state of Tennesse...IMO, they all deserve the death penalty.

I am thankful that one of these days...and I have no doubt...that they will all be judged by God's laws...and their punishment here on earth will pale in comparison to the sentence they will serve during their eternal lives.

God bless the families and friends of Channon and Christopher...May He ease their heartaches and give them strength and courage to carry on with their lives...:rose:

JMO...Trish

[dallasvic]

Just wanted to remind everyone that on May 17 Davidson,Cobbins,Coleman and Thomas will be back in court for a hearing on any motions filed before then.Still they have not scheduled a federal trial for Boyd who has been charged as an accessory after the fact in a carjacking.
I am so ready to hear what they plan to do with these animals. If they would hand them over to all of us at CL I do not think there would be anything left of them for a trial..:flamemad:

:rose: My Prays Are With The Families:rose:

[Mishell1383]

I am so ready to hear what they plan to do with these animals. If they would hand them over to all of us at CL I do not think there would be anything left of them for a trial..:flamemad:



HAHA thats great! I second that!


and thank you for the reminder! I will be tuning intently

[Levi]

I'm sorry I was not clear. The radio link you provided was to a Michael Savage Show and I got that. But when I listened to it I did not hear the murder mentioned unless I missed it? I heard him talk about Phil Spector, Fort Dix, a Pastor from Harlem on Obama/Hillary, statement by Bill Maher, and a political discussion with Marcus Garvey which prompted my ? re: incorrect link.
Around the 10th min of the show. He talks about the case.

[CaroleNichols]

I sincerely the believe the question to this would be yes. So far nothing has come out saying this was a "hate crime". It could have been this young couple were in the wrong place when these savages went looking for their prey. There are decent blacks that are accosted by other black criminals far more often than hate crimes "black on white" or "white on black" put together and then some. I'm not trying to downplay it just that there have been no details that I have read that indicate it was a crime based on race but that could change as details of the case come out when the trial starts. JMO
I agree Athena. I can't perceive this as a race related issue. IMO it is a case of savage animals trying to destroy lives just for the thrill of it. They truly need to be treated like animals, IMO.

[Athena]

Around the 10th min of the show. He talks about the case.

Thanks Levi. I'll try it again.

Also thanks for the link to the form. I filled it out as well. I also sent emails to other networks. I did the same thing when Cho sent his manifesto to NBC. I thought it was cruel that they kept replaying his messages and giving so much less coverage to the victims.

I have passed your link to people I know that don't post on these message boards via email. This needs to be publicized and your efforts are appreciated. :)

[Athena]

I agree Athena. I can't perceive this as a race related issue. IMO it is a case of savage animals trying to destroy lives just for the thrill of it. They truly need to be treated like animals, IMO.

I have two kids that drive. One a senior in HS and one in her 2nd year of college. This is so frightening. I always worry that they will get lost and wind up in places where they just shouldn't be. I can't even imagine what these poor kids' parents are going through not only that their children were murdered but the horrific way they died and what they endured. OMG ..... :(

[Jadedblueeyes]

I have two kids that drive. One a senior in HS and one in her 2nd year of college. This is so frightening. I always worry that they will get lost and wind up in places where they just shouldn't be. I can't even imagine what these poor kids' parents are going through not only that their children were murdered but the horrific way they died and what they endured. OMG ..... :(

This case is truly very hard to even read about. It is just so depraved and demonic. These people had to come straight from the belly of Hell.

And what is so strange is I had never even heard of this case until tonight when I was trying to catch up on some of the Crime Library articles.

Why oh why isn't the national media talking about this case? We hear about Paris, Anna Nicole and Phil Spector but not this one. What in the world does the media consider newsworthy?

It is so frightening that one can be minding their own business and monsters can strike without notice to torture and murder.

If ever there was a case for the death penalty this is one.

Channon/Chris:rose: Rest in peace.

[Mishell1383]

This case is truly very hard to even read about. It is just so depraved and demonic. These people had to come straight from the belly of Hell.

And what is so strange is I had never even heard of this case until tonight when I was trying to catch up on some of the Crime Library articles.

Why oh why isn't the national media talking about this case? We hear about Paris, Anna Nicole and Phil Spector but not this one. What in the world does the media consider newsworthy?

It is so frightening that one can be minding their own business and monsters can strike without notice to torture and murder.

If ever there was a case for the death penalty this is one.

Channon/Chris:rose: Rest in peace.

i agree jaded :flamemad:



:rose:

[Jadedblueeyes]

i agree jaded :flamemad:



:rose:

Thank you Mishell.

I am going to email all of the major new outlets and ask them that very question. It makes no sense that this isn't getting national attention.

I cannot fathom the pain their families must go through knowing what all was done to their loved ones. If it were me I truly think it would drive me insane if it were my loved one. How in the world do you get that to ever leave your mind? It would tear me apart.

imoo

[Athena]

Thank you Mishell.

I am going to email all of the major new outlets and ask them that very question. It makes no sense that this isn't getting national attention.

I cannot fathom the pain their families must go through knowing what all was done to their loved ones. If it were me I truly think it would drive me insane if it were my loved one. How in the world do you get that to ever leave your mind? It would tear me apart.

imoo

Hi Ocean, :seeya:

Hope all is well with you! Sorry we had to meet again on such a horrific crime!

[dallasvic]

You know at first I thought that maybe they were not having this in the media so save the parents from knowing the extent of these kids suffering, but know I truly think they are afraid of a race war.
To avoid everything such as trial an prison they need to let these kids be turned over to the families of the kids they tortured. This would save us the tax payers from having to pay for them to be feed and clothed in prison.
When they are sent to prison I really don't think any of them will live very long in there.:flamemad:

[Athena]

What you say is possible dallas.... however it could be just that there is nothing to report until the trial starts. Guess we'll find out how much publicity this gets when the motions are filed on Thursday. JMO

[Mishell1383]

I cerainly hope it gets more publicity after the filing than it has been. :(

[1]

I'd have to say that this crime has more to do with intense amounts of anger, hatred, and barbaric acts of sexual sadism than it does with any "follow the leader" behavior.

Because this was a prolonged act of torture, it clearly rules out "heat of the moment" defense or crimes that perps blame on drug use. I think this has everything to do with meaness that is beyond the understanding of normal human beings. There are crimes that can be explained and then there are crimes that transcend our conscious. This crime goes far beyond any level I can comprehend.

These thugs are truly without compassion or empathy. The fact that two innocent people had to endure barbaric torture for so long and none of the thugs could see fit to stop doing what they were doing is disgusting.

They lack the humanity that is necessary to be a member of the human race.

I agree. These points are what makes it most disturbing...no 'heat of the moment', etc.
I wonder if, amongst other things, any of these suspects possess any concious at all.

This goes beyond barbaricy.

Again...first time I heard of it is here. Shocked by that fact.

[Brainstorm]

Hi TN Profiler!

I spend a lot of my free time reading here at CL and just happened upon this thread. I believed I had already read/heard of the most depraved acts that could be inflicted upon a human being...but this crime is far beyond anything I thought was possible.

I am hopeful that those who were involved receive the harshest punishment possible by the state of Tennesse...IMO, they all deserve the death penalty.

I am thankful that one of these days...and I have no doubt...that they will all be judged by God's laws...and their punishment here on earth will pale in comparison to the sentence they will serve during their eternal lives.

God bless the families and friends of Channon and Christopher...May He ease their heartaches and give them strength and courage to carry on with their lives...:rose:

JMO...Trish


Thanks for calling my attention to this case,Maybaby.......IMO, this is PURE EVIL....The DEVIL,EVIL.
This is the worst thing I have EVER heard. I dont understand why it did not get more attention.I agree with whoever posted that NG should be on this case instead of Paris and OJ.
Why do you suppose she didnt? (NG)

Anyway, I am wondering how the children are,and hope and pray for them,growing up without their parents, and someday having to learn the horrible details.

[Mishell1383]

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Anyway, I am wondering how the children are,and hope and pray for them,growing up without their parents, and someday having to learn the horrible details.<snipped>


O man me too... me too :(

[Maybaby59]

O man me too... me too :(

I can't imagine what the lives of these children must have been like with the people who were supposed to be their parents. I can only hope that they are with someone now who will teach them some values...and respect for human life. JMO

Trish

[Mishell1383]

exactly! Hopefully they are young enough it won't "directly" ruin their lives, if thats possible. And maybe they are living with someone now who can provide a healthier life for them to grow. I pray that is the case

[dallasvic]

Well just 3 more days and they have a hearing. That will be Thursday and I can not wait to see were we go from there to see these guy and gal convicted.
:rose: My Heart And Prayers Are With The Families:rose:

[Athena]

Grand jury presentment in Christian/Newsom case

(WARNING: graphic details of the murders)



http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/0202body_presentment.pdf

[Mishell1383]

i know! burn in hell sickos! IMO

i dont know why but for some reason the fact that this 18 year old mother of two was involved bothers me most. I dont know if it was because she was there, and was witnessing it, or if she had a part in it (cant wait to find out what her role was)

I mean I know the guys were fully involved, IMO but maybe its because women just dont do that? not that men do it either... Well normal ones... I dunno im not making sense on describing how I feel about her... They all sicken me, but I have a severe hatred towards her especially... And of course a LOT of questions. :cuss: IMO IMO IMO IMO !!!!!!!

[Athena]

i know! burn in hell sickos! IMO

i dont know why but for some reason the fact that this 18 year old mother of two was involved bothers me most. I dont know if it was because she was there, and was witnessing it, or if she had a part in it (cant wait to find out what her role was)

I mean I know the guys were fully involved, IMO but maybe its because women just dont do that? not that men do it either... Well normal ones... I dunno im not making sense on describing how I feel about her... They all sicken me, but I have a severe hatred towards her especially... And of course a LOT of questions. :cuss: IMO IMO IMO IMO !!!!!!!

I know one of these guys is her boyfriend. Is he also the father of her two children? Not making excuses for her by any means but do wonder if she was afraid of the guy? It's the children I feel sorry for. What kind of environment were they being raised in and what will happen to them? Hopefully they are placed with a foster family and they can be nourished and loved and it's not too late. If not we just may see two future criminals. Hate to be so blunt, but...... :(

[Mishell1383]

I hear ya, your not being blunt by any means. I believe he was the father of her two children, Im going to go back and look at the link I saw.

[Mishell1383]

"Him and his girlfriend lived here with their two children. I really don't know much about them. They come in and out, people come in and out of their house and stuff."

http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5150607.html

[dallasvic]

i know! burn in hell sickos! IMO

i dont know why but for some reason the fact that this 18 year old mother of two was involved bothers me most. I dont know if it was because she was there, and was witnessing it, or if she had a part in it (cant wait to find out what her role was)

I mean I know the guys were fully involved, IMO but maybe its because women just dont do that? not that men do it either... Well normal ones... I dunno im not making sense on describing how I feel about her... They all sicken me, but I have a severe hatred towards her especially... And of course a LOT of questions. :cuss: IMO IMO IMO IMO !!!!!!!


Mishell,
I can't wait either.As far as Coleman goes she is charged with the following : 12 counts of felony murder growing out of rape,robbery,kidnapping and theft,1 count of premeditated murder( Christian), 1 count of especially aggravated robbery( Newsom) 4counts of especially aggravated rape and 2 counts theft.
She is going away for a long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rose: My Heart Is With The Famlies:rose:

[Jadedblueeyes]

Hi Ocean, :seeya:

Hope all is well with you! Sorry we had to meet again on such a horrific crime!

Hi Athena.

Nice to see you over here.:seeya:

Yes, it is sad isn't it? Sometimes I really think I wouldn't be shocked at anything that happens anymore and then I read something like this and know I was so very wrong. The depravity in this case literally gives me the chills. It shows we all are vulnerable. Really know matter where we go or what we do we aren't safe from these monsters who are looking for unsuspecting prey.

Did anyone get a reply from any of the media outlets other than the automatic one they send saying they have received it? I haven't even checked my email today. LOL Been up to my eyeballs planting all those beautiful flowers my children gave me yesterday. :)

imoo

[Jadedblueeyes]

I know one of these guys is her boyfriend. Is he also the father of her two children? Not making excuses for her by any means but do wonder if she was afraid of the guy? It's the children I feel sorry for. What kind of environment were they being raised in and what will happen to them? Hopefully they are placed with a foster family and they can be nourished and loved and it's not too late. If not we just may see two future criminals. Hate to be so blunt, but...... :(

They always say "out of every bad comes some good". Maybe if there is any good to be seen anywhere in this it is these children who really are innocent will be removed forever from these lowlife pond scum trash.

I am fearful of what they may have even done to them. One cant just be this low on the scale of humanity and then be a good parent to their children. They most likely were mistreated as well.

It seems this group of thugs thought about no one but themselves.

I hope each and everyone of them rots.:flamemad:

imoo

[Jadedblueeyes]

i know! burn in hell sickos! IMO

i dont know why but for some reason the fact that this 18 year old mother of two was involved bothers me most. I dont know if it was because she was there, and was witnessing it, or if she had a part in it (cant wait to find out what her role was)

I mean I know the guys were fully involved, IMO but maybe its because women just dont do that? not that men do it either... Well normal ones... I dunno I'm not making sense on describing how I feel about her... They all sicken me, but I have a severe hatred towards her especially... And of course a LOT of questions. :cuss: IMO IMO IMO IMO !!!!!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to do a plea for her so she would rollover on the others. Maybe behind the scenes they have but she must testify first to see if she is honest and then they will go to the Judge to get her less time. Are they trying them all together including her? TIA

Personally this case should be a death penalty case and if she saw or participated then she is no better than the others.

imoo

[Athena]

They always say "out of every bad comes some good". Maybe if there is any good to be seen anywhere in this it is these children who really are innocent will be removed forever from these lowlife pond scum trash.

I am fearful of what they may have even done to them. One cant just be this low on the scale of humanity and then be a good parent to their children. They most likely were mistreated as well.

It seems this group of thugs thought about no one but themselves.

I hope each and everyone of them rots.:flamemad:

imoo

The DA in Tenn doesn't know if he will ask for the death penalty?? Reading other board at CTV seemingly Tenn doesn't push for it. Maybe with the public outcry the State will because of the gruesome nature of this crime. These @$#@! don't deserve to breathe the same air we do and in jail they won't suffer enough. Someone mentioned the movie over the also "The Last House on the Left" and I just remember I did start watching it and did not see it through because it was so disturbing. :flamemad:

[dallasvic]

I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to do a plea for her so she would rollover on the others. Maybe behind the scenes they have but she must testify first to see if she is honest and then they will go to the Judge to get her less time. Are they trying them all together including her? TIA

Personally this case should be a death penalty case and if she saw or participated then she is no better than the others.

imoo

they are all being tried together except Boyd he is going federal.

[Jadedblueeyes]

The DA in Tenn doesn't know if he will ask for the death penalty?? Reading other board at CTV seemingly Tenn doesn't push for it. Maybe with the public outcry the State will because of the gruesome nature of this crime. These @$#@! don't deserve to breathe the same air we do and in jail they won't suffer enough. Someone mentioned the movie over the also "The Last House on the Left" and I just remember I did start watching it and did not see it through because it was so disturbing. :flamemad:

Yes, I have been very displeased with Tennessee justice lately. lol

Thats strange isn't it Athena!

I thought they had to let the defense know that 30 days before trial? If these @%@&:punch: dont deserve the death penalty then who does? I just read the indictment by the Grand Jury again. What horror. It just scares the heck out of me. I see Chris and Channon and my heart just breaks for their families.

I had read that they cut Channon's breast off and his penis. Do you know if that is true? The reason I asked is I thought surely there would be some type of charge covering torture.

The one that is being tried by the Feds are they going for the Death Penalty or have they decided yet.

Isn't the trial suppose to start on the 17th? TIA

imoo

[Jadedblueeyes]

they are all being tried together except Boyd he is going federal.

Thank you. When is that case supposed to start? After the State case?

imoo

[Mishell1383]

I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried to do a plea for her so she would rollover on the others. Maybe behind the scenes they have but she must testify first to see if she is honest and then they will go to the Judge to get her less time. Are they trying them all together including her? TIA

Personally this case should be a death penalty case and if she saw or participated then she is no better than the others.

imoo

she did see it, thats how it was brought out who participated, because she at first said she witnessed it, she was the one that let tHe authorities know that CHannon was in fact alive!!!!!!!!!!!! while they were shoving cleaner down her throat. She just sat back and watched... was it enjoyable for you? was it worth throwin your whole life away along with your childrens'!? What kind of person can stand around and watch that @%#^ she didnt even grab her children and run, she wouldnt even be a SUSPECT if she didnt come forward as a witness !!! oh she makes me so very angry!!! :cuss: :flamemad:
AT THE FIRST SIGHT OF MY "BOYFRIEND" BRINGING IN TWO PEOPLE THEY CARJACKED IN MY HOME!!! ID BE ON THE FIRST TRAIN TO FRIGIN MARS!!!!!!!!

[dallasvic]

Hey Everyone,

David has add some emails he received on this case. I just found them .They were not there a hour ago. I just seen them and wanted to let yall know. It on CL Latest News in this case last page. I am fixin' to go check it out .:D

[dallasvic]

Thank you. When is that case supposed to start? After the State case?

imoo

It starts on 17th May .Thats Thursday.The federal case has not been set yet.

[Maybaby59]

Hey Everyone,

David has add some emails he received on this case. I just found them .They were not there a hour ago. I just seen them and wanted to let yall know. It on CL Latest News in this case last page. I am fixin' to go check it out .:D

Hi Dallasvic,
I couldn't find what you were talking about here. Could you help point me to this info? I'm very much interested in reading anything regarding this case. Thanks for your help.

Trish :seeya:

[TN_Profiler]

There has been some speculation whether the woman charged was a bona fide accomplice or the victim of an abusive relationship who was too afraid to do anything.

I think the "common sense test" is useful here. If this happened in a relatively short period of time, say 10 minutes, then I could see how she may have just been frozen by fear.

The facts of the case tell a very different story. This was a prolonged crime that involved so many heinous acts of torture that any person NOT involved would have run out of that apartment within minutes.

As a woman, how could you watch your "boyfriend" repeatedly rape a woman? I'll need to hear that she was forced to watch at gunpoint before I will believe she was anything other than a participant. Sorry, hanging around while the entire crime happened (in this specific case) tells me that the people involved are accomplices and not innocent people who were too afraid to leave.

They will all get their day in court so we shall hear the arguements for defense. By the sounds of the documents filed so far ..... they would be lucky to even get a chance to plea bargain.

TN doesn't go after the death penalty very often but I doubt this case would be hard to prosecute at that level if they chose to pursue it.

JMOO

[Mishell1383]

There has been some speculation whether the woman charged was a bona fide accomplice or the victim of an abusive relationship who was too afraid to do anything.

I think the "common sense test" is useful here. If this happened in a relatively short period of time, say 10 minutes, then I could see how she may have just been frozen by fear.

The facts of the case tell a very different story. This was a prolonged crime that involved so many heinous acts of torture that any person NOT involved would have run out of that apartment within minutes.

As a woman, how could you watch your "boyfriend" repeatedly rape a woman? I'll need to hear that she was forced to watch at gunpoint before I will believe she was anything other than a participant. Sorry, hanging around while the entire crime happened (in this specific case) tells me that the people involved are accomplices and not innocent people who were too afraid to leave.

They will all get their day in court so we shall hear the arguements for defense. By the sounds of the documents filed so far ..... they would be lucky to even get a chance to plea bargain.

TN doesn't go after the death penalty very often but I doubt this case would be hard to prosecute at that level if they chose to pursue it.

JMOO

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!:beer:

[Athena]

There has been some speculation whether the woman charged was a bona fide accomplice or the victim of an abusive relationship who was too afraid to do anything.

I think the "common sense test" is useful here. If this happened in a relatively short period of time, say 10 minutes, then I could see how she may have just been frozen by fear.

The facts of the case tell a very different story. This was a prolonged crime that involved so many heinous acts of torture that any person NOT involved would have run out of that apartment within minutes.

As a woman, how could you watch your "boyfriend" repeatedly rape a woman? I'll need to hear that she was forced to watch at gunpoint before I will believe she was anything other than a participant. Sorry, hanging around while the entire crime happened (in this specific case) tells me that the people involved are accomplices and not innocent people who were too afraid to leave.

They will all get their day in court so we shall hear the arguements for defense. By the sounds of the documents filed so far ..... they would be lucky to even get a chance to plea bargain.

TN doesn't go after the death penalty very often but I doubt this case would be hard to prosecute at that level if they chose to pursue it.

JMOO

ITA with your post. I think I had stated that the woman could have been afraid -- however it does appear she participated (at least it seems she did as she is being charged with rape) Plea bargain -- I certainly hope not!! No way should one even be considered. JMO

[Jadedblueeyes]

she did see it, thats how it was brought out who participated, because she at first said she witnessed it, she was the one that let the authorities know that CHannon was in fact alive!!!!!!!!!!!! while they were shoving cleaner down her throat. She just sat back and watched... was it enjoyable for you? was it worth throwing your whole life away along with your childrens'!? What kind of person can stand around and watch that @%#^ she didn't even grab her children and run, she wouldn't even be a SUSPECT if she didn't come forward as a witness !!! oh she makes me so very angry!!! :cuss: :flamemad:
AT THE FIRST SIGHT OF MY "BOYFRIEND" BRINGING IN TWO PEOPLE THEY CARJACKED IN MY HOME!!! ID BE ON THE FIRST TRAIN TO FRIGIN MARS!!!!!!!!

I couldn't agree more Mishell. It is certainly evident that these monsters were very busy creating hell on Earth so she had ample time to take the kids and flee out of that house.

If she did anything and I mean anything. Like going to get the chemical solution that was used in their mouths or helped bind them up then she is as big of a lowlife and vile as they are.:flamemad: Where were the kids when all of this madness was going on?????

I just cant get over the evilness of this case. We can all bet there are more out there running loose right now.

imoo

[dallasvic]

Hi Dallasvic,
I couldn't find what you were talking about here. Could you help point me to this info? I'm very much interested in reading anything regarding this case. Thanks for your help.

Trish :seeya:
Hi MB59,
SORRY it took so long I just got on line a few minutes ago.
Anyway in CL go to the first page of do the search on this crime then once you are on the page that the story is being told just keep clicking on next page and you will see it or go to Latest New an click on their crime then scroll down each page and click on next page and the 4th page will be where David states he has received emails from people and wants to share so with us at the top of the page.
Let me know if you can't find it and I will see if I can copy it on here for yall.

[TN_Profiler]

As we have seen from the indictments, they are all being charged for the murders and rapes. The woman may or may not have actually been the person who killed either victim, the fact that she was participating in other aspects of the crime makes her culpable for all of it.

In my opinion these people are all equals since none of them did one single thing to help either victim. Just standing there and doing nothing makes them just as guilty as the active participants.

[dallasvic]

As we have seen from the indictments, they are all being charged for the murders and rapes. The woman may or may not have actually been the person who killed either victim, the fact that she was participating in other aspects of the crime makes her culpable for all of it.

In my opinion these people are all equals since none of them did one single thing to help either victim. Just standing there and doing nothing makes them just as guilty as the active participants.

Even if this girl did not retrieve the cleaner or anything just being there and not trying to stop it you are a guilty as the one that killed them. THEY WERE ALL EQUALITY GUILTY no matter what!!:cuss:

[Mishell1383]

Even if this girl did not retrieve the cleaner or anything just being the and not trying to stop it you are a guilty as the one that killed them. THEY WERE ALL EQUALITY GUILTY no matter what!!:cuss:
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!

[dallasvic]

I truly hope they all rot in prison SORRY so graphic but this is how I feel. If we are LUCKY the inmates will take care of them.:D
:seeya: Later

[Maybaby59]

Hi MB59,
SORRY it took so long I just got on line a few minutes ago.
Anyway in CL go to the first page of do the search on this crime then once you are on the page that the story is being told just keep clicking on next page and you will see it or go to Latest New an click on their crime then scroll down each page and click on next page and the 4th page will be where David states he has received emails from people and wants to share so with us at the top of the page.
Let me know if you can't find it and I will see if I can copy it on here for yall.

Thanks for the help, Dallasvic...Found it!
Trish

[dallasvic]

Thanks for the help, Dallasvic...Found it!
Trish

Great,
I am glad you found it. i will be soooooooooo glad when this case is over. It is truly a BAD ONE and is going to stick with all of us for a very long time or for me it will. These sick people need to be dealt with in a SPEEDY trial , but we all know that there will be nothing SPEEDY about it. Its going to be very GRAPHIC for the families and everyone that is involved with it in anyway.

:rose: MY Prayers Are With The Families:rose:

[Mishell1383]

Great,
I am glad you found it. i will be soooooooooo glad when this case is over. It is truly a BAD ONE and is going to stick with all of us for a very long time or for me it will. These sick people need to be dealt with in a SPEEDY trial , but we all know that there will be nothing SPEEDY about it. Its going to be very GRAPHIC for the families and everyone that is involved with it in anyway.

:rose: MY Prayers Are With The Families:rose:

I know I don't know any of the victims or perps personally, but this case has really affected me on a totally new level.:mad:

[samanthajane13]

It's because of cases like this that my 18 year old daughter is planning on becoming a Crime Scene Investigator. She has a mind like a steel trap, ans the curiosity and stubbornness to follow through with an investigation till every T is crossed and every I is dotted.

My heart and prayers go out to the families of these poor children, and even though Channon and Christopher no longer need them, I pray that they have no memory of the hell they went through.

RIP-Channon and Christopher:rose:

[Athena]

Just a reminder today is the day when motions are to be presented. I have to work so if anyone finds any new information that comes out of these motions, would you please post????

TIA

[Mishell1383]

Just a reminder today is the day when motions are to be presented. I have to work so if anyone finds any new information that comes out of these motions, would you please post????

TIA
absolutely!

[TN_Profiler]

Stupid question - has it been determined whether the children were in the home at the time of the crimes?

I can't believe anything could make this crime any worse but if the children were home at the time of the crime then I will have to change my mind about that.

The only good thing that could happen would be for the defendents to wave the trial and plead guilty so the families can be spared the trauma of hearing and seeing any more of the details. I think BTK did the right thing by forgoing the pomp and circumstance of the trial and I hope we can see this crime follow the same path.

I know it is wishful thinking but ........

[Mishell1383]

Good morning TN!
To be honest I haven't heard anything about the children and their where abouts, I'd be interested in hearing about that too.

[Mishell1383]

OMG!!!!!!!!
OK can I just tell you folks what I just came across ! I googled the murders to see if any new talks were rotating around and I cannot FATHOM what I have just read...

"Christopher and Channon knew the assailants (Lemaricus and Letalvis) and that the relationship is something the media doesn't want to broadly report.

Channon and Christopher were crackheads. Channon blackmailed the brothers into the death by sexual torture scheme after paying them to murder Christopher."

CONT.
"I'm looking for answers just like everybody else! The entire community is shocked by Channon's behavior! I for one am glad the national media isn't reporting the type of person she was! After reading what they found on her personal computer, it would break America's heart. She was a true sadist. Her cutting off her own breasts is evidence and proof enough of that! "

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE ICING ON THE CAKE....
"And the true victims in this are Lemaricus and Letalvis, so naive and trusting - they were. They are the ones who got involved with her and bought into her scheme."

I shall spit on the person who makes this statement.. And I apologise for being so graphic and passionate about this, but i cannot help it.

WHAT!?!?!?!
WHO COMES UP WITH THIS UTTER BULL$#^!
I could elaborate on what type of people are saying this, but I'm not opening up that can of worms...
WHO DOES THIS!? This poor woman suffered one of the most brutal murders I have ever heard and now they have to disrespect her by saying she asked for it!? And taint and slander her name!?!?!?!?!

I AM DUMBFOUNDED!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i needed to share it with you guys. :mad: :flamemad:

May Channon and Christopher rest in peace. :rose:

[TN_Profiler]

Cut off her own breast? I suppose there are some people out there who will believe she also drank bleach and then dismembered herself.

Sorry to say that I am not shocked at what some people will write. There will always be a few people who will blindly feel sorry for the defendents. Afterall, Scott Peterson gets tons of "fan mail" and enough wedding proposals to make you shake your head in disbelief.

Even if the victims used drugs (hypothetically speaking) ..... it has no bearing on this case. Whether or not you engage in behavior that is unfavorable by societies standards (drugs, prostitution, etc..) it still does not give anyone the right to murder you. The right to life is granted to all of us equally.

[Mishell1383]

Cut off her own breast? I suppose there are some people out there who will believe she also drank bleach and then dismembered herself.

Sorry to say that I am not shocked at what some people will write. There will always be a few people who will blindly feel sorry for the defendents. Afterall, Scott Peterson gets tons of "fan mail" and enough wedding proposals to make you shake your head in disbelief.

Even if the victims used drugs (hypothetically speaking) ..... it has no bearing on this case. Whether or not you engage in behavior that is unfavorable by societies standards (drugs, prostitution, etc..) it still does not give anyone the right to murder you. The right to life is granted to all of us equally.

i mean this site had a bashing of channon and christopher, along with rate the hottest death row inmate.. I need to find this site and show you this crap. But I didnt feel right even being on the site, because I didn't want to give them the traffic for their website ...

[Mishell1383]

http://www.svengalimedia.com/ beware when u go there, its horrible

[Maybaby59]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=45318&provider=gnews

Trials set for suspects in Christian, Newsom murders

By: Katie Allison Granju, Producer
Date created: 5/17/2007 12:18:22 PM
Last updated: 5/17/2007 12:59:55 PM


The four suspects in the fatal carjacking, rape, and murders of a young Knoxville couple will be tried separately.

Lemaricus Davidson, Letalvis Cobbins, Vanessa Coleman, and George Thomas are charged in a 46 count indictment with the January kidnapping, assault, rape, and murders of Channon Christian, 21, and Christopher Newsom, 23.

The suspects appeared in a Knoxville criminal courtroom Thursday, where it was decided that the four trials will begin in May of 2008 and conclude in August.

State prosecutors say Davidson has also been indicted in a separate robbery that took place after the murders.

A decision has not yet been made as to whether the state will seek the death penalty against any of the defendants.

Vanessa Coleman's parents were in court Thursday, as were family and friends of both Christian and Newsom.

[Maybaby59]

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6530646&nav=0RYv


Double murder suspects to be tried separately for couple's slaying

By SONU WASU
6 News Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- In court Thursday, a judge decided the four suspects charged with the murder, rape and kidnapping of a young Knoxville couple will be tried separately.

Letalvis Cobbins will be tried first in May 2008.

Cobbins faces 46 counts including 16 counts of felony murder, two counts of premeditated murder, two counts of especially aggravated robbery, four counts of especially aggravated kidnapping, 20 counts of aggravated rape and two counts of theft.

Vanessa Coleman will be tried next, followed by Lemaricus Davidson and George Thomas.

Prosecutors haven't said yet whether they'll seek the death penalty.

Investigators continue gathering evidence and conducting interviews in the case. They're also waiting for evidence to come back from processing in a crime lab.

The four suspects are due in court for their next hearing on September 27.

The murdered couple, Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian, was last seen on a date on the night of January 6. They were carjacked by sometime early the next morning.

Newsom's body was found the next day. It was bound, shot and burned, along the railroad tracks near 9th Ave.

Investigators say Newsom's body smelled of gasoline.

Christian's body was found three days after the couple disappeared. Investigators say it was in a large plastic garbage can in Davidson's house on Chipman Street. Her body was in five separate dark trash bags.

[Mishell1383]

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_5541581,00.html
the good news is according to this article, Vanessa Coleman is indicted on 46 counts as well!! So I have a good feeling she won't be getting any easy treatment, and i hope no plea bargins !

[Athena]

Peeking in from work. Maybaby - thanks so much for the updates.

I can't believe this trial is set for a year+ away.

:rose: To the families of Channon & Christopher

[Athena]

I cannot even imagine what the parents are going through especially to see their children's killers up close and personal. What remarkable restraint. According to this article Christian's dad is going to make a statement later:

The silence inside the courtroom couldn't have been more tense. Victim's families and family members of two of the accused sat on opposite sides with deputies between; nine uniformed deputies and the sheriff himself standing watch.

Channon Christian’s father, Gary, was visibly angry, rocking in his seat, gripping the back of a spectator pew, fixing cold stares on Lemaricus Davidson and his brother, Letalvis Cobbins

Afterwards, Gary Christian told WVLT he has a clear message he wants out, and that we can expect to hear sometime this afternoon.

http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/7549962.html

[Mishell1383]

oh those poor families. Especially having to go through hearing all the details in such a public display is going to be so hard. I cannot express words for how much I feel for these people. Hopefully the trials will be as quick and painless as possible

[Mishell1383]

http://www.svengalimedia.com/ beware when u go there, its horrible
http://www.svengalimedia.com/race/sexiest_black_male_felon_2006.html here is a better working link

[Mishell1383]

i just looked up svengali in the dictionary becuase i didnt understand why this site was named that.... how ironic and clever huh? I feel like im going to hell just for going to that website.. I'm going to shower and wash it off lol
Sven·ga·li (svĕn-gä'lē, sfĕn-) http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/pron.gif
n., pl. -lis.
A person who, with evil intent, tries to persuade another to do what is desired: “a crafty Svengali who lures talented people with grand promises yet gives them little lasting operational authority” (Chris Welles).
[After Svengali, the hypnotist villain in the novel Trilby by George du Maurier.]

ps. i dont know why my text was so big it wouldnt lt me shrink it.

[Hey Paula]

I read about this case months ago at CTV and it made me sick and kept me from sleeping a few nights. If ever a case cried out for the death penalty, it is this one.

I, for one, feel this was a hate crime, especially the manner in which the victims were stripped of their dignity. I also believe if the races of the victims and the victimizers were reversed, this case would be in the media 24/7.

IMO

[Mishell1383]

I read about this case months ago at CTV and it made me sick and kept me from sleeping a few nights. If ever a case cried out for the death penalty, it is this one.

I, for one, feel this was a hate crime, especially the manner in which the victims were stripped of their dignity. I also believe if the races of the victims and the victimizers were reversed, this case would be in the media 24/7.

IMO
absolutely 100% agree

[Maybaby59]

I read about this case months ago at CTV and it made me sick and kept me from sleeping a few nights. If ever a case cried out for the death penalty, it is this one.

I, for one, feel this was a hate crime, especially the manner in which the victims were stripped of their dignity. I also believe if the races of the victims and the victimizers were reversed, this case would be in the media 24/7.

IMO

Hey Paula,

I absolutely agree with your post. The following link is a blog from CBN News which follows this same line of thinking.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/159841.aspx

Trish :seeya:

[TN_Profiler]

Hi Hey Paula! It's been a while.:seeya:

I'm with you on the hate crime issue. Right now it cannot be discounted and if this was flipped the other way around you would see much more coverage. Until it is proved otherwise I firmly believe it is a possible factor. (among other factors)

That being said, it really doesn't matter to me. Whether it was a racially motivated crime or just a random opportunity it still had the same outcome. 2 people were tortured and murdered. Their families and friends will live unspeakeable emotional pain and loss everyday for the rest of their lives. If it was just a random opportunity I doubt it will make anyone feel better or lessen the pain for the friends and family of the victims.

May the justice process be up for the challenge of prosecuting people who are capable of such crimes.

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula,

I absolutely agree with your post. The following link is a blog from CBN News which follows this same line of thinking.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/159841.aspx

Trish :seeya:

Hi Trish and Mishell :seeya:

Thanks for posing the link, Trish. I hadn't read that one, but I agree with the entire article.

[Hey Paula]

Hi Hey Paula! It's been a while.:seeya:

I'm with you on the hate crime issue. Right now it cannot be discounted and if this was flipped the other way around you would see much more coverage. Until it is proved otherwise I firmly believe it is a possible factor. (among other factors)

That being said, it really doesn't matter to me. Whether it was a racially motivated crime or just a random opportunity it still had the same outcome. 2 people were tortured and murdered. Their families and friends will live unspeakeable emotional pain and loss everyday for the rest of their lives. If it was just a random opportunity I doubt it will make anyone feel better or lessen the pain for the friends and family of the victims.

May the justice process be up for the challenge of prosecuting people who are capable of such crimes.

Hiya TN! :seeya:

LTNS, my friend! It's great to "see" you! I hope all is well with you and yours!

I think the rash of hate crimes I've seen/read about lately have gotten to me. The torture, degradation and murder of Channon and Christian was among the worst I can recall. After that it was the beating and petty robbery of two white very eldery women in NY, and a couple of days ago the pounding and continued pummeling of a white 91 y/o war veteran during a carjacking. While all this incredible violence is taking place, Sharpton is concentrating all of his efforts on getting Don Imus fired, while ignoring the demeaning of black women, disgusting language and hatred for LE expressed in rap music.

IMO

[Sharon]

I know I don't know any of the victims or perps personally, but this case has really affected me on a totally new level.:mad:

Well said, thats exactly how I feel. Its like you didnt realise that crimes could get worse than what we know is possible until this case came to light. The fact that family and friends just hung around as these 2 poor victims were tortured gives it a whole new level of evil unimaginable to the average person. There are so many questions that need to be answered imo.

I hope we get to understand how this happened and maybe why...if there are any answers apart from the fact that evil exists. jmo

[packy]

Just want to mention that Fox news had the story on this morning. So it is gaining publicity. I can't find it on the home page so I didn't post a link.

[Mishell1383]

Hi packy !
Thanks for mentioning that!! I hope it gets more widely spread!

[Hey Paula]

Just want to mention that Fox news had the story on this morning. So it is gaining publicity. I can't find it on the home page so I didn't post a link.

Hi Packy!

Here is a link to all FNC articles on this horrific case.

http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&site=story&getfields=*&filter=0&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&q=channon+christian&qstr=&realm=fnc&random=

[TN_Profiler]

Nice to hear from you again Hey Paula! I'm with you, I think things have gotten worse. I'm still losing sleep over the murders of the family who lived in Richmond on New Years Day last year. Sheesh, what happened to living peacefully and not hurting one another?

This case is so disturbing I have literally lost sleep every night since I read about it. The facts seem too outrageous to be in a movie let alone be real.

I often wonder if the detailed reporting of crimes actually plants seeds in a persons mind or not. I cringed when I heard the shooter at Va Tech referenced Columbine. That kinda makes me think there is some influence that goes on with media coverage.

I used to think that tough laws were the answer but it sure doesn't seem to be deterring anyone lately.:shrug:

[dallasvic]

http://www.svengalimedia.com/ beware when u go there, its horrible

Hey Mishell,
How did you find something so disgusting? I went there but did not click on the site.Its EVIL stay away from that site!! Gal stay way
SICK PEOPLE

[Mishell1383]

Hey Mishell,
How did you find something so disgusting? I went there but did not click on the site.Its EVIL stay away from that site!! Gal stay way
SICK PEOPLE
oh my gosh I know! It was a link that a another discussion board was talking about. I Happened to wander across there discussion, which I didn't join into, kind of white supremicist, and they were focusing on that link, I had to look as much as I knew i didnt want to, Its like a train wreck you know, its so ghastly and horrible but you cant look away. :read: <- thats me pretending im not looking lol

[Mishell1383]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18745632/

LOOK WHAT I SAW THIS MORNING ON MSNBC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY ! :beer:

[packy]

Hi Packy!

Here is a link to all FNC articles on this horrific case.

http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&site=story&getfields=*&filter=0&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&q=channon+christian&qstr=&realm=fnc&random=

Thanks, Paula.

I believe they did say something to the effect of some facts of the case were too gruesome to say on the air the day I heard it.

Seems that some of the reports of some very heated racist remarks may be coming from some hoax websites from what I'm hearing.

[Athena]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18745632/

LOOK WHAT I SAW THIS MORNING ON MSNBC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY ! :beer:


Thanks Mishell. Looks like our emails and these blogs are working. :)

"The Internet has been basically chastising the mainstream media now, it seems, since the Internet opened up," said Aly Colon at the Poynter Institute, a journalism think tank in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"I mean, as soon as somebody had an electronic Internet megaphone, the opportunity to throw brickbats at the media just got amplified from the backyard-over-the-fence to an e-mail or a blog. That isn't necessarily new, but I think what you are witnessing may be is an increasing amount of that taking place."

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Robert Zelnick, a professor of journalism at Boston University, told Cybercast News Service Thursday the Knoxville murders, "as gruesome as they were, need a strong peg to reach a national audience." "Racism would certainly be one. Celebrity involvement would be another. An epidemic of criminal activity of this sort would be a third," he said. "The coincidence of white victims and black perpetrators doesn't pass muster, though the coincidence of white perpetrators and black victims might because of its relative infrequency," Zelnick added. Still, "cases like this do make you resist the nonsense peddled by certain self-anointed black 'civil rights leaders' who suggest that the high incidence of black male incarceration is a function of society's racism," he said. That claim is "nonsense," according to Zelnick. "It is a function of the breakdown of spiritual, cultural, educational and family value systems in the African-American community."

My thoughts:

The animals from hell who tormented and tortured these innocents will die for it. If there ever was a hell, this is a reason for it. Yes, this was a hate crime. The young innocents paid with their lives, but are in a better place. The animals from hell are heading back to hell. What a tragedy, the loss of these two young innocents. This country's values have been twisted and turned by the left, the mass media, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and on and on and on. Where's the outrage? Where's the anger? This despicable crime fills my heart with outrage and anger! Not hate, for those who will try to distract us from the problem. People had better wake up and see what's happening to our society in America. There are people who are determined to blind us from the true nature of things. I'm outraged! I'm angry! I refuse to submit to those in our society who are convincing people very successfully that whites hate blacks, and blacks are "victims". Sorry charlie; the facts about this case speak for themselves. I am outraged! I am angry! I don't hate the animals from hell who did this. I am outraged that a young man and woman were killed, not for Channon's 2005 Toyota 4-Runner (which was abandoned, by the way), but because of the appearance of Channon, and more than likely because Christopher was putting-up the fight of his life. I'm outraged that the mass media and law enforcement are not making more of an effort to inform the general population of the hate crime so they may be more aware of their surroundings and take the appropriate precautions. By the way, one of the animals robbed a Pizza Hut and tried to steal a woman's purse THE NEXT DAY! CHANNON WAS STILL ALIVE, AND WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER 3 DAYS! The political correctness of law enforcement in this case is idiocy. Their "policy" is more important that the safety of the general population. That's the crux of this crisis. The press, elected officials and law enforcement don't care about the general population as much as with political correctness. That's why gun control (making gun ownership more restrictive for law-abiding citizens) is ludicrous. If either of the two victims had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and was carrying one that night, more than likely they would be alive right now, and one or more of the animals from hell who were trying to carjack them would be back rotting in hell. I would much rather take a gunshot wound in the shoulder or die by gunshot than see my loved one tortured and mutilated, screaming in pain in front of my eyes. The cowardly animals from hell who use a weapon in the commision of a carjacking, especially one involving two young white kids don't deserve to live another day. Oh yes, this hate crime will eventually be made very well known to the citizens of this country, and will go down as a test case for gun ownership. I for one have a bumper sticker on my rear window making people aware of it, and keep a .357 Magnum revolver close by.

[dallasvic]

oh my gosh I know! It was a link that a another discussion board was talking about. I Happened to wander across there discussion, which I didn't join into, kind of white supremicist, and they were focusing on that link, I had to look as much as I knew i didnt want to, Its like a train wreck you know, its so ghastly and horrible but you cant look away. :read: <- thats me pretending im not looking lol

HEY ,

I hear you on that. Like watching a scary movie and peeping between you fingers like thats going to help us not LOL:eek:

[User615]

Hiya TN! :seeya:

LTNS, my friend! It's great to "see" you! I hope all is well with you and yours!

I think the rash of hate crimes I've seen/read about lately have gotten to me. The torture, degradation and murder of Channon and Christian was among the worst I can recall. After that it was the beating and petty robbery of two white very eldery women in NY, and a couple of days ago the pounding and continued pummeling of a white 91 y/o war veteran during a carjacking. While all this incredible violence is taking place, Sharpton is concentrating all of his efforts on getting Don Imus fired, while ignoring the demeaning of black women, disgusting language and hatred for LE expressed in rap music.

IMO

You can find this going on anywhere. Earlier this year in Nashville, a 15 year old "ghetto girl" robbed a convenience store, and shot to death the 53 year old store owner for $35. Her excuse was she just needed the money. It's a very scary world we live in today, and our sense of values have not been passed down. It's estimated that 75% of the children in the ghetto are raised without a father, so the only mentoring they have it what they learn on the street. It's a viscious cycle, with no end in sight. I am also miffed at this very website, and organization. I think how much time they gave the Duke rape case, and how little this horrific crime has been mentioned. Nancy Grace would have paid to be able to cover the Scott Peterson circus, but where is she when something like this happens? Selective media at its best.

[rob043055]

AND how do you discuss with your macho male buddies about gang raping another man? Maybe that is immature of me or naive, but its still a burning question that I keep wondering about.:cuss:

In the ghetto/prison subculture that I suspect the perpetrators were part of, homosexual rape is accepted and even admired as show of male dominance. This is more of the humiliation and degregation that they wanted the young man to experience. I think it likely the young man, to his credit, continued to resist and defy them, even while in captivity, and so was subjected to this brutal treatment.

[dallasvic]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18745632/

LOOK WHAT I SAW THIS MORNING ON MSNBC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY ! :beer:

Bumping this post for good measure~ :lol: Its working
Well my family was wondering what we do on here and this MSNBS station they were about to actual see what we do here. It FEELS GREAT doesn't guys!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[Mishell1383]

In the ghetto/prison subculture that I suspect the perpetrators were part of, homosexual rape is accepted and even admired as show of male dominance. This is more of the humiliation and degregation that they wanted the young man to experience. I think it likely the young man, to his credit, continued to resist and defy them, even while in captivity, and so was subjected to this brutal treatment.
I think your right... That makes me sad. I feel so bad for that young man. oh how it bothers me !:mad:

[rob043055]

I think your right... That makes me sad. I feel so bad for that young man. oh how it bothers me !:mad:

As bad as his treatment was, at least Christopher died relatively quickly, immediately after the first assault at the house. Channon was kept alive for three full days after that. Probably she was bound much of the time. I'd bet she wasn't able to sleep at all. Was she allowed even a glass of water? Given the cruelty of her treatment, perhaps not. She was certainly raped dozens of times, orally, anally and vaginally. I am sure she was continually beaten as well. And the reports of them urinating on her are beyond belief. The final days of this poor girl were a nightmare that no one should have to endure.

[Mishell1383]

As bad as his treatment was, at least Christopher died relatively quickly, immediately after the first assault at the house. Channon was kept alive for three full days after that. Probably she was bound much of the time. I'd bet she wasn't able to sleep at all. Was she allowed even a glass of water? Given the cruelty of her treatment, perhaps not. She was certainly raped dozens of times, orally, anally and vaginally. I am sure she was continually beaten as well. And the reports of them urinating on her are beyond belief. The final days of this poor girl were a nightmare that no one should have to endure.
oh i agree, but I thought our few words of discussion was focused on the young man, I dont need to be reminded of the cruelty she endured, I've read everything about this case from start to finish, Im just waiting for their trial so i can watch them burrrn

:seeya:

[Athena]

Parents of Channon and Chris speak out:

Channon's mother, Deena Christian, says the loss has left a big hole in their hearts. "I think they were just at the wrong place, unfortunately at the wrong time."

The family has religiously attended every court hearing. Gary says it's the only thing he can do now to honor his daughter's memory.

He talked about how tense he gets when the accused killers are brought in. "That's pure hate. That ain't tense. I mean, they took our baby girl."

He refers to the suspects as a pack of "wild animals."

"It's no different from hunting back in East Texas, sitting in a deer stand and looking at a pack of wild dogs. They just bring them in one at a time," he says.

The murders have sparked worldwide interest. The Christians say they have received letters and cards from Chile, Switzerland, Alaska, and all over the United States.

Some people have called the murders a hate crime because the suspects are all black and both the victims are white.

But if you ask the Christians, the only color they see in all of this is the color of blood.

"I believe in my heart that wild animals come in lots of different colors. The end result is they're still wild animals," Gary says.

"I could care less if they were pink or purple or whatever color they were. They took our child. They took our daughter. They took Chris, took away from Newsom family," Deena adds.

:rose:

http://wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6542849

[Mishell1383]

Parents of Channon and Chris speak out:

Channon's mother, Deena Christian, says the loss has left a big hole in their hearts. "I think they were just at the wrong place, unfortunately at the wrong time."

The family has religiously attended every court hearing. Gary says it's the only thing he can do now to honor his daughter's memory.

He talked about how tense he gets when the accused killers are brought in. "That's pure hate. That ain't tense. I mean, they took our baby girl."

He refers to the suspects as a pack of "wild animals."

"It's no different from hunting back in East Texas, sitting in a deer stand and looking at a pack of wild dogs. They just bring them in one at a time," he says.

The murders have sparked worldwide interest. The Christians say they have received letters and cards from Chile, Switzerland, Alaska, and all over the United States.

Some people have called the murders a hate crime because the suspects are all black and both the victims are white.

But if you ask the Christians, the only color they see in all of this is the color of blood.

"I believe in my heart that wild animals come in lots of different colors. The end result is they're still wild animals," Gary says.

"I could care less if they were pink or purple or whatever color they were. They took our child. They took our daughter. They took Chris, took away from Newsom family," Deena adds.

:rose:

http://wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6542849
Those poor parents, I couldn't even fathom what they are feeling. I also thought that those statements were very mature of them, and in this circle of hate they must be in, they didn't turn racist, or turn against a whole race because of this. Which I find to be very big of them, who knows how I would react? ya know ? I might have ended up hating all of one race instead of just 5 animals.

:rose: May Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian RIP.

[DJBlackAdam]

Well, the racial tensions this case is exposing cannot be avoided. Some Whites think if the races were reversed, this would get more news coverage, maybe it would, I don’t know. When Crimes are committed by Blacks against Blacks (which is most of the crime against Blacks) it doesn’t merit much news, when its Whites against Whites (which is most of the crime against Whites) again, not much press.

Blacks against Whites seems to get press, because of course of the sorry state of race relations in this country, as well crimes by Whites against Blacks get press because of the media fearful of not covering the cases as much because they will get attacked by certain organizations that profit in racial tension being marketed. These groups generally are not violent, whereas the groups who market crimes against Whites by Blacks (or other minorities) are violent and in general desire to find excuses (real and / or imagined) to commit crimes against Blacks (and other minorities), maybe that is why the media downplays these crimes.

Fact is simple, race is a scientific fiction but a social reality, utilized to separate the masses, and it does a good job in that.

Until that actuality is realized, and people can see this crime for what it was OUTSIDE of the context of race, that being horrific, we will never see real justice brought to the perpetrators or true compassion for the victims and their families.

Bottom line, this was a horrific crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS, until we see it as such, we will just continue to divide this already fragmented nation.

http://djblackadam.typepad.com/damnitq/

[Mishell1383]

<snipped>
Fact is simple, race is a scientific fiction but a social reality, utilized to separate the masses, and it does a good job in that.

Until that actuality is realized, and people can see this crime for what it was OUTSIDE of the context of race, that being horrific, we will never see real justice brought to the perpetrators or true compassion for the victims and their families.

Bottom line, this was a horrific crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS
very well put, i agree as well :patriot:

[Athena]

Well, the racial tensions this case is exposing cannot be avoided. Some Whites think if the races were reversed, this would get more news coverage, maybe it would, I don’t know. When Crimes are committed by Blacks against Blacks (which is most of the crime against Blacks) it doesn’t merit much news, when its Whites against Whites (which is most of the crime against Whites) again, not much press.

Blacks against Whites seems to get press, because of course of the sorry state of race relations in this country, as well crimes by Whites against Blacks get press because of the media fearful of not covering the cases as much because they will get attacked by certain organizations that profit in racial tension being marketed. These groups generally are not violent, whereas the groups who market crimes against Whites by Blacks (or other minorities) are violent and in general desire to find excuses (real and / or imagined) to commit crimes against Blacks (and other minorities), maybe that is why the media downplays these crimes.

Fact is simple, race is a scientific fiction but a social reality, utilized to separate the masses, and it does a good job in that.

Until that actuality is realized, and people can see this crime for what it was OUTSIDE of the context of race, that being horrific, we will never see real justice brought to the perpetrators or true compassion for the victims and their families.

Bottom line, this was a horrific crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS, until we see it as such, we will just continue to divide this already fragmented nation.

http://djblackadam.typepad.com/damnitq/

Excellent post! Most crimes that occur are intra-race not inter-racial. It's really sad that people just can't separate the criminals period from the general population regardless of race/culture. :( JMO

[Athena]

Would someone please post a link to the article by David Lohr on this case that FW in the announcement FW posted? Please, I can't find it. :confused:

TIA - ~Athena

[dallasvic]

Would someone please post a link to the article by David Lohr on this case that FW in the announcement FW posted? Please, I can't find it. :confused:

TIA - ~Athena

Hey A,

You can go to CL click on Latest New and it's at the top.I hope you mean the update.Its there I just came there .
HOPE YOU FIND IT :seeya:

[dallasvic]

Would someone please post a link to the article by David Lohr on this case that FW in the announcement FW posted? Please, I can't find it. :confused:

TIA - ~Athena


Hey,
I am SORRY I miss understood. Its under Murder In The News

[layton59]

Hey poster DJBlackAdam, I agree with what you posted.

You wrote: "Bottom line, this was a horrific crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS, until we see it as such, we will just continue to divide this already fragmented nation."

I would change "crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS" to "crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS acting IN-HUMAN".

The funny thing about all the outside hate blogs byWHITE-HATING-BLACKS and BLACK-HATING-WHITES is that they are all cut from the same bolt of hating cloth.

It reminds me of the old Star Trek episode where a planet was in civil war between the the half-white/half-black faction against the half-black/half-white faction.

They were mirror images of each other, yet hated each other. I think comic impressionist Frank Gorshin played one of the black/white aliens in it.

Here is a link to that google image of that Star Trek episode. It is quite a funny view.

images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rls=GZHZ%2CGZHZ%3A2007-21%2CGZHZ%3Aen&q=frank-gorshin+star-trek&btnG=Search+Images

[TN_Profiler]

There are two elements to crime. The first is "what" they did. In this case it is nothing less than horrific.

The second element is "why" they did it. This is the basis for characterizing whether or not this is a hate crime. At this point nobody can say whether or not this was a racially, sexually, opportunistic or economically motivated crime. I expect the details during the trial will probably spell out what catagory of crime this fits into.

Ultimately the basis of guilt will come down to "what" they did and have less to do with "why". JMOO

[TN_Profiler]

I need to recant the comment about sexual motivation. At this point we do know that was one element of the crime.

That being said, this whole crime could have started off as a robbery and then escalated. If so, then I would say it was economically motivated at the onset. Sorry for splitting hairs but I did want to clarify my point.

[Athena]

Take a look at this. Appears they were involved in a break-in while the victims were in their home and the woman is a single young black mother. I think these people regardless of skin color are just plain animals motivated by greed and no value for human life.


http://www.wate.com/Global/story.as...889&nav=menu7_2

[Athena]

I believe Channon's parents actually say it best: (This is also the link to David Lohr's update)

Christopher's mom said she is devastated by the loss of her son and that she will never recover from it. In regards to the suspects, Mary said, "They look like they have no remorse whatsoever. They are animals. Absolute animals."

Mary also made it clear her family would not be involved in the purposed race rally scheduled for next month. "We are not interested in participating at all with any of the race groups that are coming here," she said.

"I don't think they went out — black people looking for white people," Gary said. "What it turned into, I don't know. But I know this. I believe in my heart that wild animals come in lots of different colors. The end result is that they are still wild animals."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/or...christian3.html

[Mishell1383]

I believe Channon's parents actually say it best: (This is also the link to David Lohr's update)

Christopher's mom said she is devastated by the loss of her son and that she will never recover from it. In regards to the suspects, Mary said, "They look like they have no remorse whatsoever. They are animals. Absolute animals."

Mary also made it clear her family would not be involved in the purposed race rally scheduled for next month. "We are not interested in participating at all with any of the race groups that are coming here," she said.

"I don't think they went out — black people looking for white people," Gary said. "What it turned into, I don't know. But I know this. I believe in my heart that wild animals come in lots of different colors. The end result is that they are still wild animals."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/or...christian3.html
ok I literally just cried, I can't get over this case, it really has quite affected me

[Mishell1383]

I believe Channon's parents actually say it best: (This is also the link to David Lohr's update)

Christopher's mom said she is devastated by the loss of her son and that she will never recover from it. In regards to the suspects, Mary said, "They look like they have no remorse whatsoever. They are animals. Absolute animals."

Mary also made it clear her family would not be involved in the purposed race rally scheduled for next month. "We are not interested in participating at all with any of the race groups that are coming here," she said.

"I don't think they went out — black people looking for white people," Gary said. "What it turned into, I don't know. But I know this. I believe in my heart that wild animals come in lots of different colors. The end result is that they are still wild animals."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/or...christian3.html
Athena according to this they weren't dismembered! Oh I hope thats true!

[Athena]

Athena according to this they weren't dismembered! Oh I hope thats true!

Yes -- it doesn't take away from the fact though they still suffered a cruel death but at least they were not mutilated. I'm presuming it is true since it was the parents who denied they were mutilated. :rose:

[DJBlackAdam]

...it is definately one of the most horrible crimes I have heard about. I am generally not in favor of capital punishment, but if I made an exception, this would be one the times I would.

[Mishell1383]

Yes -- it doesn't take away from the fact though they still suffered a cruel death but at least they were not mutilated. I'm presuming it is true since it was the parents who denied they were mutilated. :rose:
I know, your right. I just feel a tiny little spec better knowing one less thing might have not happened that could have added to their pain

[Athena]

...it is definately one of the most horrible crimes I have heard about. I am generally not in favor of capital punishment, but if I made an exception, this would be one the times I would.

I'm with you on this one DJ. I don't particularly favor capital punishment either because I'm always afraid that an innocent person can be put to death; but in this case it appears so clear -- that I too believe this would be an exception. I don't believe, at least yet, that the DA has made a decision as to whether or not he will seek the death penalty. Death actually seems too lenient for these guys but by the same token even if they got life it doesn't appear they would have any remorse either. :shrug: JMO

[Athena]

Hey poster DJBlackAdam, I agree with what you posted.

You wrote: "Bottom line, this was a horrific crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS, until we see it as such, we will just continue to divide this already fragmented nation."

I would change "crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS" to "crime done to HUMANS by HUMANS acting IN-HUMAN".

The funny thing about all the outside hate blogs byWHITE-HATING-BLACKS and BLACK-HATING-WHITES is that they are all cut from the same bolt of hating cloth.

It reminds me of the old Star Trek episode where a planet was in civil war between the the half-white/half-black faction against the half-black/half-white faction.

They were mirror images of each other, yet hated each other. I think comic impressionist Frank Gorshin played one of the black/white aliens in it.

Here is a link to that google image of that Star Trek episode. It is quite a funny view.

images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rls=GZHZ%2CGZHZ%3A2007-21%2CGZHZ%3Aen&q=frank-gorshin+star-trek&btnG=Search+Images


Funny but sad isn't it? There are hate groups in every race/culture that take advantage of crimes such as these to promote propaganda and further divide this country. Personally I choose to believe that most people are innately good and do not subscribe to these hate groups whether white or black. When you really think about it most crimes are intra-race and only a small percentage are actually racial and then hate groups, black and white, use them to further their agendas. So, so sad. With the history of these criminals I doubt they cared what color their victims were; they could have easily been a young black couple who were there when they set out to do their dirty deeds. I posted a link to a home invasion by the same criminals above. The woman was a single black mother and her BF happened to be there when they broke into the home. He had a gun so they ran -- but she could've faced the same fate. :(

[Livia]

I'm a Southerner, and this is the first I've heard of this absolutely horrifying case.

Words fail me. "Evil", "depraved"...none of the words I can find even begin to describe the monstrousness of these torture/murders.

Those poor kids. I'm sure that death came as a welcome release for them. :(

If anyone ever deserved to fry, it's this mob. They don't deserve the title "human beings". And I couldn't care less what color they are, or their victims. They chose to commit unspeakably evil acts, and they have to pay for it.

And an 18-year-old woman took part in all this?!? My God!!!!

Personally I think they deserve to have done to them exactly what they did to those two innocent kids. Except that that would place us on their level--God forbid we should ever sink that low! :flamemad:

Rest in peace, Chris and Channon. :rose:

At least no one can hurt you ever again.

And may God comfort their families. I cannot begin to imagine the agony they have suffered--and will suffer for the rest of their lives.

[Mishell1383]

I'm with you on this one DJ. I don't particularly favor capital punishment either because I'm always afraid that an innocent person can be put to death; but in this case it appears so clear -- that I too believe this would be an exception. I don't believe, at least yet, that the DA has made a decision as to whether or not he will seek the death penalty. Death actually seems too lenient for these guys but by the same token even if they got life it doesn't appear they would have any remorse either. :shrug: JMO
I so agree ! They are probably hoping to die, it would do them a favor, imo. I mean what else do they have to live for? imo

[Athena]

I so agree ! They are probably hoping to die, it would do them a favor, imo. I mean what else do they have to live for? imo

Hi Mishell,

I doubt they are hoping to die and the only remorse they probably have is that they got caught. :flamemad:

[Mishell1383]

Hi Mishell,

I doubt they are hoping to die and the only remorse they probably have is that they got caught. :flamemad:
Well I meant it instead of spending the rest of their lives in jail, they'd rather die. Not really as remorse. But I guess your right. They probably haven't even thought twice about it

[dallasvic]

Morning Everyone,

I do not believe this was a hate crime. For one reason when someone car-jacks they do not run around trying to find a certain person to car-jack and i do not believe that it is planned. Yeah maybe they talk about say during that day and then say somewhere in the evening their running around bored and one of them pops up and say Hey lets jack the next car that comes by and guess what its ( Christian and Newsom ).
I do not believe car-jackers pick,people they pick vehicles. These kids were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And for some reason the ones that commit the car-jacking decided to take it to another level.

:rose: My Heart & Prayers Are With The Families:rose:

[Athena]

Well I meant it instead of spending the rest of their lives in jail, they'd rather die. Not really as remorse. But I guess your right. They probably haven't even thought twice about it

Just to clarify. You could be right and I can be wrong. It's only an opinion. You have a pretty level-head and I enjoy reading your posts. :)

[rob043055]

Here is some interesting info from another site: Cris Newsoms parents are saying that the kids were NOT mutilated as is stated on the internet:

This past week, both victims' parents started to speak with the media about the murders. When Crime Library first brought you this story, we mentioned the victims' alleged mutilations that were published on the Internet. At that time, authorities would not confirm or deny they took place. However, since then, the victims' families have denied the mutilations took place and have blamed hate groups for twisting the facts and feeding the media misinformation.

"They were not dismembered," Mary Newsom told Crime Library during a telephone interview yesterday afternoon. "That is defiantly not the case. We have been assured by the police and the coroner that [Christopher and Channon] were not dismembered at all."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0507/2301_channon_christian2.html

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Here is some interesting info from another site: Cris Newsoms parents are saying that the kids were NOT mutilated as is stated on the internet:

This past week, both victims' parents started to speak with the media about the murders. When Crime Library first brought you this story, we mentioned the victims' alleged mutilations that were published on the Internet. At that time, authorities would not confirm or deny they took place. However, since then, the victims' families have denied the mutilations took place and have blamed hate groups for twisting the facts and feeding the media misinformation.

"They were not dismembered," Mary Newsom told Crime Library during a telephone interview yesterday afternoon. "That is defiantly not the case. We have been assured by the police and the coroner that [Christopher and Channon] were not dismembered at all."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0507/2301_channon_christian2.html


'Channon Christian's body was found three days after the couple disappeared. Investigators say it was in a large plastic garbage can in Davidson's house on Chipman Street. Her body was in five separate dark trash bags.'

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6023706&nav=menu7_2

[Hey Paula]

'Channon Christian's body was found three days after the couple disappeared. Investigators say it was in a large plastic garbage can in Davidson's house on Chipman Street. Her body was in five separate dark trash bags.'

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6023706&nav=menu7_2

Hopefully, that sentence means Channon's body was found whole but contained/wrapped in 5 separate trash bags, perhaps to keep the odor of her decomposing remains from escaping. For the dignity of Channon's remains, I certainly hope her body wasn't dismembered, although I'd read articles saying it was, as was Christopher's.

I noted there were no separate charges for mutilation of a body or corpse, which keeps me hopeful that the added barbarism of mutilation wasn't part of the senseless, horrific and heinous murders of Channon and Christopher.

IMO

[Guy_n_Georgia]

One of the suspects arrested in the murder of Channon Christian (Coleman) has told police that she witnessed another of the suspects pouring a cleaning fluid down Channon's throat. The mass media has pushed their agenda by making an assumption that this was done to "destroy DNA evidence" after Channon was dead, rather than state that this was what it appears to be: torture. What would you call it? The autopsy results have not been made public (even though the Smoking Gun may very well have them soon), and I'm anxious to see if the animals poured the same cleaning fluid into her vagina and anus. If not....well, then there's no basis to the arguement that the animals who terrorized Channon and Chris were "smart" enough to try to destroy all DNA evidence. We will also have testimony during the trials from suspect Coleman as to whether Channon was still alive while the animal filled her throat with the thick substance. This will be the evidence that the mass media and special interests will be unable to censor.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

I noted there were no separate charges for mutilation of a body or corpse, which keeps me hopeful that the added barbarism of mutilation wasn't part of the senseless, horrific and heinous murders of Channon and Christopher. IMO

The charges brought against the animals has a clue as to the nature of what went on during those horrific last days. The term "especially aggravated" indicates that the victims were killed in ways other than "aggravated", which is a common charge in murders.

FELONY MURDER:
FIRST DEGREE MURDER
ESPECIALLY AGGRAVATED ROBBERY AGAINST COBBINS, DAVIDSON AND THOMAS
ESPECIALLY AGGRAVATED KIDNAPPING, AGGRAVATED RAPE AND THEFT

Davidson, Cobbins and Thomas were indicted on 16 counts of felony murder:

- 16 counts growing out of rape, robbery, kidnapping and theft
- 2 counts of premeditated murder
- 2 counts of especially aggravated robbery
- 4 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping
- 20 counts of aggravated rape
- 2 counts of theft

Coleman was indicted on 12 counts of felony murder:

- 12 counts of rape, robbery, kidnapping and theft
- 1 count of premeditated murder of Channon Christian
- 1 count of especially aggravated robbery of Christopher Newsom
- 4 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping
- 20 counts of aggravated rape
- 2 counts of theft

[Hey Paula]

One of the suspects arrested in the murder of Channon Christian (Coleman) has told police that she witnessed another of the suspects pouring a cleaning fluid down Channon's throat. The mass media has pushed their agenda by making an assumption that this was done to "destroy DNA evidence" after Channon was dead, rather than state that this was what it appears to be: torture. What would you call it? The autopsy results have not been made public (even though the Smoking Gun may very well have them soon), and I'm anxious to see if the animals poured the same cleaning fluid into her vagina and anus. If not....well, then there's no basis to the arguement that the animals who terrorized Channon and Chris were "smart" enough to try to destroy all DNA evidence. We will also have testimony during the trials from suspect Coleman as to whether Channon was still alive while the animal filled her throat with the thick substance. This will be the evidence that the mass media and special interests will be unable to censor.

I agree that Channon was more than likely alive when the solution was poured into her mouth, if the objective was to destroy DNA evidence, which seems like the obvious purpose for doing so. If this was indeed the reason, then doing so postmortem would have resulted in the solution not being ingested, but immediately expelled from her mouth.

All, who were involved in the evil acts, and subsequent murder and disposal of the bodies of Channon and Christopher, are subhumans, not even deserving of being called animals, for no animal would so abuse a human being in such a degrading horrific manner. None of these subhumans should be allowed to breathe the same air as humans do. If ever there was a crime crying out for the death penalty, it is this one.

IMO

[Athena]

Hopefully, that sentence means Channon's body was found whole but contained/wrapped in 5 separate trash bags, perhaps to keep the odor of her decomposing remains from escaping. For the dignity of Channon's remains, I certainly hope her body wasn't dismembered, although I'd read articles saying it was, as was Christopher's.

I noted there were no separate charges for mutilation of a body or corpse, which keeps me hopeful that the added barbarism of mutilation wasn't part of the senseless, horrific and heinous murders of Channon and Christopher.

IMO

I think you are correct Paula. It sounds like her body was found in A garbage bag wrapped again in 5 individual trash bags. I also notice that in the indictment it does not list mutilation as one of the charges.

I also hope that is what it means. The authorities told the parents there bodies were intact; I don't think they would do that knowing they will attend the trials and knowing they would find out later that they were.

There is a thread over at CTV and one of the posters said Channon was in an open casket. :rose:

[Guy_n_Georgia]

I agree that Channon was more than likely alive when the solution was poured into her mouth, if the objective was to destroy DNA evidence, which seems like the obvious purpose for doing so. IMO

I didn't say that it was my opinion that the animals poured a cleaning substance down her throat while she was alive "so as to destroy DNA evidence"; that's the agenda of the media and special interests in this country. These animals aren't even close to being intelligent enough to think of that idea (by the way, foreign DNA was all over and inside those poor kid's bodies, as well in that horror house).
I want to hear Coleman's testimony when the prosecutor asks her what the animal Davidson was saying when he pulled Channon's head back and forced that crap down her throat. That testimony will answer the burning question as to whether this was a true hate crime.
We will also know for sure as to whether the animals sliced off Christopher's p*nis and one or both of Channon's breasts, when they did it and, if they did it, what Coleman recalls what the animals were saying.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

I also notice that in the indictment it does not list mutilation as one of the charges. :rose:

I don't think that there's a law on the books specifically charging someone with mutilation before committing a murder. There are laws that a person can be charged with "abuse of a corpse" which certainly was something that occurred in this case. Perhaps Tennessee doesn't have that law as other states certainly do.
As I noted earlier, the term "especially aggravated" in the charges probably address the heinous nature of the crimes. Do you notice that the "especially aggravated" charges were for events that took place while they were still alive? That tells me that there was torture (and perhaps mutilation) involved before the kid's were murdered.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

I doubt they are hoping to die and the only remorse they probably have is that they got caught

If those were my children, then the suspects, if found guilty would fear me. Somehow, I would find a way to get lot's of cash to a few convicts in prison to take them out. That's just me. :biggrin:

Losing my kid would be the end of my life as I know it, and I would do all that I could to end their miserable lives on earth.

[Mishell1383]

I think you are correct Paula. It sounds like her body was found in A garbage bag wrapped again in 5 individual trash bags. I also notice that in the indictment it does not list mutilation as one of the charges.

I also hope that is what it means. The authorities told the parents there bodies were intact; I don't think they would do that knowing they will attend the trials and knowing they would find out later that they were.

There is a thread over at CTV and one of the posters said Channon was in an open casket.
me too, me too. :rose: :rose: :rose:

[Hey Paula]

I didn't say that it was my opinion that the animals poured a cleaning substance down her throat while she was alive "so as to destroy DNA evidence"; that's the agenda of the media and special interests in this country. These animals aren't even close to being intelligent enough to think of that idea (by the way, foreign DNA was all over and inside those poor kid's bodies, as well in that horror house).
I want to hear Coleman's testimony when the prosecutor asks her what the animal Davidson was saying when he pulled Channon's head back and forced that crap down her throat. That testimony will answer the burning question as to whether this was a true hate crime.
We will also know for sure as to whether the animals sliced off Christopher's p*nis and one or both of Channon's breasts, when they did it and, if they did it, what Coleman recalls what the animals were saying.

When I first read about this, months ago at CTV, I spent sleepless nights. I can't even begin to imagine what Christopher and Channon went through. I imagine they prayed for death to come to end their torture and degradation. I've always believed this was a hate crime, and will continue to believe it, despite what may be thrown out for public consumption to quell the outrage which might spread throughout the white community. The type of humiliation and degradation this white couple was subjected to by their black torturers/murderers can only come from those filled with hate.

IMO

[Guy_n_Georgia]

When I first read about this, months ago at CTV, I spent sleepless nights. I can't even begin to imagine what Christopher and Channon went through. I imagine they prayed for death to come to end their torture and degradation. I've always believed this was a hate crime, and will continue to believe it, despite what may be thrown out for public consumption to quell the outrage which might spread throughout the white community. The type of humiliation and degradation this white couple was subjected to by their black torturers/murderers can only come from those filled with hate. IMO

Thank-you :patriot:

[Hey Paula]

Thank-you :patriot:

:patriot: Welcome to the CL boards, Guy! :seeya:

[Guy_n_Georgia]

'Newsome and Christian, 23 and 21 respectively, had every right to believe that they would have a future. The laws that were made to protect them from bloodthirsty jackals has failed them miserably. All that’s left is the hope that justice will inevitably prevail and that their killers will be put to death. Execution is too good for them, but it’s the best we can do with the current system. We may need another system....'

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25417.html

Our country needs another system, one that will cause murderers to FEAR the consequences.

[Mishell1383]

I agree, it seems all to good of a life in prison.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

:patriot: Welcome to the CL boards, Guy! :seeya:

Great to be able to discuss the case with interesting and caring people.

[Mishell1383]

Great to be able to discuss the case with interesting and caring people.
Glad to you have you! :seeya: And Glad to see you on this board, I still feel like this case isn't being responded to, the way I'd like to see it, however, I think this is such a gruesome one, that people are shying away from it. IMO

[DJBlackAdam]

Hey Paula:

The type of humiliation and degradation this white couple was subjected to by their black torturers/murderers can only come from those filled with hate.

IMO

I have to ask, would there be any less hate or is there when crimes like this happen when the victims and the perps are the same "race"?

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula:

I have to ask, would there be any less hate or is there when crimes like this happen when the victims and the perps are the same "race"?

The evil would be equal. But, I consider the added degradation of them urinating on Channon after repeatedly raping her in every orifice, forcing her to witness her boyfriend, Christopher, being raped and murdered and then Channon being disposed of in the garbage pail more race related than Al Sharpton considered Tawana Brawley being raped by white men and smeared with their feces and found in a garbage bag because what happened to Channon and Christopher was real versus what happened to Tawana being a hoax. Perhaps if Sharpton and Jackson would speak out when blacks commit crimes against whites, or even when blacks commit crimes against blacks, and condemn them equally, there wouldn't be such racial divide.

They should never have committed these unspeakable acts on anyone. But, the fact they chose to do it to a white couple is what adds the racial hate component.

IMO

[DJBlackAdam]

The evil would be equal. But, I consider the added degradation of them urinating on Channon after repeatedly raping her in every orifice, forcing her to witness her boyfriend, Christopher, being raped and murdered and then Channon being disposed of in the garbage pail more race related than Al Sharpton considered Tawana Brawley being raped by white men and smeared with their feces and found in a garbage bag because what happened to Channon and Christopher was real versus what happened to Tawana being a hoax. Perhaps if Sharpton and Jackson would speak out when blacks commit crimes against whites, or even when blacks commit crimes against blacks, and condemn them equally, there wouldn't be such racial divide.

They should never have committed these unspeakable acts on anyone. But, the fact they chose to do it to a white couple is what adds the racial hate component.

IMO


I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic here so please bear with me.

1. How does the real crime we are talking about have anything to do with the fabrication of Tawana Bradley?

2. What does Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have to do with this particular case?

3. Are you positing that whenever a real crime is commited by a Black perp on a White victim, that race is part of the motivation? That being said, whenever a real crime that happens to a Black victim when the perp is White (i.e.The rape and murder of Christopher Barrios who was a Latino of African decent, by the White perpetrators) should this also be automaticlly considered to have a racial hate component?

[Mishell1383]

I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic here so please bear with me.

1. How does the real crime we are talking about have anything to do with the fabrication of Tawana Bradley?

2. What does Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have to do with this particular case?

3. Are you positing that whenever a real crime is commited by a Black perp on a White victim, that race is part of the motivation? That being said, whenever a real crime that happens to a Black victim when the perp is White (i.e.The rape and murder of Christopher Barrios who was a Latino of African decent, by the White perpetrators) should this also be automaticlly considered to have a racial hate component?
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have everything to do with this case, IMO. They never fail to speak out against white crimes against blacks, in e.g. Imus in the morning, that is NOTHING compared to Channon and Christopher, and he was all over that comment made by Imus like white on rice. Not condoning Imus's comment in anyway, BUT the fact of the matter is, When its anything ANYTHING against black folk they're the first you hear from, When their race is at fault for anything they do, they never once turn around and speak out, I haven't heard a peep from them regarding this. They are so called peace advocates, well, where are they now?

[DJBlackAdam]

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have everything to do with this case, IMO. They never fail to speak out against white crimes against blacks, in e.g. Imus in the morning, that is NOTHING compared to Channon and Christopher, and he was all over that comment made by Imus like white on rice. Not condoning Imus's comment in anyway, BUT the fact of the matter is, When its anything ANYTHING against black folk they're the first you hear from, When their race is at fault for anything they do, they never once turn around and speak out, I haven't heard a peep from them regarding this. They are so called peace advocates, well, where are they now?

We are all entitled to our opinions, and I respect yours, so let me follow what you are saying. Imus was not a criminal issue so I don’t understand why you are comparing that to this real criminal act.

Jesse Jackson is a civil rights activist, a politician basically, maybe he should speak out about crime in general, but if he is the equivalent (as some posit) of a David Duke, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc, I don't recall ANY of them (including Jesse Jackson for that matter) speaking out when Christopher Barrios (a Black Child) was raped and killed by two White men while a White woman watched.

I don’t see why anyone would compare a REAL crimes to a radio jock losing his job for saying something stupid. My question is, when you have the average White and Black person disgusted with and speaking out against BOTH of the real cases I am talking about (Channon Christian & Christopher Barrios) what does Jesse saying anything about either (which to recall he hasn’t Channon Christian or Christ Barrios) have to do with how horrible these crimes were, the compassion we should have for the victims or the justice we should demand be brought to the perps?

Like I said, bear with me here, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.

[Mishell1383]

We are all entitled to our opinions, and I respect yours, so let me follow what you are saying. Imus was not a criminal issue so I don’t understand why you are comparing that to this real criminal act.

Jesse Jackson is a civil rights activist, a politician basically, maybe he should speak out about crime in general, but if he is the equivalent (as some posit) of a David Duke, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc, I don't recall ANY of them (including Jesse Jackson for that matter) speaking out when Christopher Barrios (a Black Child) was raped and killed by two White men while a White woman watched.

I don’t see why anyone would compare a REAL crimes to a radio jock losing his job for saying something stupid. My question is, when you have the average White and Black person disgusted with and speaking out against BOTH of the real cases I am talking about (Channon Christian & Christopher Barrios) what does Jesse saying anything about either (which to recall he hasn’t Channon Christian or Christ Barrios) have to do with how horrible these crimes were, the compassion we should have for the victims or the justice we should demand be brought to the perps?

Like I said, bear with me here, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.
Ok the reasoning is, Imus' comments were so petty compared to other crimes that he has spoken about. THIS ONE WAS HUGE, (meaning channon and christoper) I only used the Basketball team with Imus because that was flashed all over the news, when there were more important things to speak about, and meanwhile NO ONE spoke out about Channon and Chris, and they were already dead and victimized. Another one than is the Duke Lacrosse team. Instead of fighting over "alleged" crimes that never even happened with a white team and a black female, Channon and Chris have been dehumanized since January without a peep. Exactly a civil rights activist, than why isn't he being an activist against ALL races, that is mainly my only problem with that. As a civil rights activist, you are supposed t be active over ALL races, aren't you? Maybe I have the wrong idea about that type of position. And that horrible crime against that black man that was gunned down in front of the club by white police during his bachelor party, Jesse Jackson acted as a spokesperson for the family. What it comes down to is that I would like to hear them just once, speak out against there own race, IF THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG, AND SHOULD BE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST, If they are so peace loving..

I don't really know how to explain it, maybe I am not using the correct words and adjectives to get it out of my head and make sense to you?

[Athena]

I was going to attempt to explain why this may not have been reported nationally but found this which says it much better than I can hope to:

Some commentators (as cited in the example reproduced above) have made much of the fact that the bulk of the news reportage about the Newsom / Christian murders has been local (predominantly in Tennessee, where the crimes took place, and in neighboring Kentucky), while the case has received little or no national coverage by major news outlets — a phenomenon attributed to supposedly biased news media loath to report black-on-white crime. (Both Christian and Newsom were white; all five of the suspects arrested in connection with their killings are black.)

However, the notion that every major news outlet in the U.S. (all of them competitive, profit-making businesses) has conspired to ignore what would otherwise be a compelling national story is rather implausible. A more rational explanation might be found in the sober observation that murders — even decidedly horrific murders — are unfortunately too frequent an occurrence in the U.S. for all of them to garner national attention. The cases that do tend to attract prolonged, nationwide coverage are ones exhibiting a combination of factors (e.g., scandal, mystery, sexual elements, celebrity involvement, shockingly large numbers of deaths, victims who especially elicit sympathy) that make them particularly fascinating and compelling to the public at large, such as the still-unsolved murder of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, the mysterious disappearance (and death) of pregnant Laci Peterson, the massacre of 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech, and the celebrity trial to determine whether actress Lana Clarkson committed suicide or was killed by reclusive record producer Phil Spector.

And, of course, the fact that the victims were white and the (presumed) killer black didn't stop the O.J. Simpson murder trial from becoming the most media-covered event in the history of jurisprudence.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

[Mishell1383]

I was going to attempt to explain why this may not have been reported nationally but found this which says it much better than I can hope to:

Some commentators (as cited in the example reproduced above) have made much of the fact that the bulk of the news reportage about the Newsom / Christian murders has been local (predominantly in Tennessee, where the crimes took place, and in neighboring Kentucky), while the case has received little or no national coverage by major news outlets — a phenomenon attributed to supposedly biased news media loath to report black-on-white crime. (Both Christian and Newsom were white; all five of the suspects arrested in connection with their killings are black.)

However, the notion that every major news outlet in the U.S. (all of them competitive, profit-making businesses) has conspired to ignore what would otherwise be a compelling national story is rather implausible. A more rational explanation might be found in the sober observation that murders — even decidedly horrific murders — are unfortunately too frequent an occurrence in the U.S. for all of them to garner national attention. The cases that do tend to attract prolonged, nationwide coverage are ones exhibiting a combination of factors (e.g., scandal, mystery, sexual elements, celebrity involvement, shockingly large numbers of deaths, victims who especially elicit sympathy) that make them particularly fascinating and compelling to the public at large, such as the still-unsolved murder of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, the mysterious disappearance (and death) of pregnant Laci Peterson, the massacre of 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech, and the celebrity trial to determine whether actress Lana Clarkson committed suicide or was killed by reclusive record producer Phil Spector.

And, of course, the fact that the victims were white and the (presumed) killer black didn't stop the O.J. Simpson murder trial from becoming the most media-covered event in the history of jurisprudence.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp
Thank you for this link Athena!! :rose: I cannot say this enough, RIP Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, Justice will PREVAIL !

[Melungeon]

Please write or e-mail your local Tennessee Congressman and express your views concerning the current Tennessee Code and capital murder trials and penalties. If you are not a Tennessean, you can still voice your opinion. One never knows when a Congress person might decide to run for president. :)

Visit www.Tennessee.gov (http://www.Tennessee.gov) and find links to the various Congress folks. Be polite, be to the point, offer a suggestion or two. Mention that you would vote for the candidate or incumbent who assisted in getting Code in place that supports swift adjudication and justice in homicide cases, particularly those that are unusually heinous capital murder cases for which DNA evidence is available.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Hey Paula:
I have to ask, would there be any less hate or is there when crimes like this happen when the victims and the perps are the same "race"?

The only hate involved here is that which was present in that horror house when a gang of animals carjacked, kidnapped, raped, sodomized, mutilated, tortured, murdered and abused the corpse's of two innocent kids in Knoxville. That isn't something that happens everyday in America, even if some in this country are unfazed by it because it happens so often in their neighborhoods. I still want to hear Coleman's testimony when the prosecutor asks her what the animal was saying when he pulled Channon's head back and forced that crap down her throat, or what the animal was grunting when he was sodomizing Christopher. We will also know for sure as to whether the animals sliced off Christopher's p*nis and one or both of Channon's breasts, and if they did it, when did they do it. That testimony (and it will be made public) will answer the burning question as to whether this was a true hate crime. By the way, this case illustrates most clearly why stiffer gun control aimed at law-abiding Americans is ludicrous. If either of those victims had a weapon then they would more than likely be alive, and one or more of the animals would be rotting in hell.

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Woman claims double murder suspects broke into her home

May 23, 2007

By ERICA ESTEP
6 News Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- There is a new twist in the January murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. An East Knoxville woman says the suspects in the case broke into her home just a day before the couple was carjacked. The single mother is afraid for her safety, so 6 News is protecting her identity. She lives less than a mile from the crime scene of the gruesome double murder on Chipman Street. Her home was invaded by armed men a day before Newsom and Christian were carjacked. She says they are connected. "I heard a big boom...they kicked... they kicked the door in." The scuff marks are still visible where her front door was kicked in. She couldn't believe what happened next. "I ran back into the room and they start shooting my door down," the woman says. She says the suspects tried to get inside her bedroom. The door to the room is now ripped at the bottom. The young mother's 13-year-old son and two friends were just a couple rooms away. "I was screaming... ya'll stay down," she says. 'But there was someone else in the house. A male friend who had a gun of his own. He shot back and the suspects took off.'

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6560889&nav=0RYv

[Hey Paula]

Woman claims double murder suspects broke into her home

May 23, 2007

By ERICA ESTEP
6 News Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- There is a new twist in the January murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. An East Knoxville woman says the suspects in the case broke into her home just a day before the couple was carjacked. The single mother is afraid for her safety, so 6 News is protecting her identity. She lives less than a mile from the crime scene of the gruesome double murder on Chipman Street. Her home was invaded by armed men a day before Newsom and Christian were carjacked. She says they are connected. "I heard a big boom...they kicked... they kicked the door in." The scuff marks are still visible where her front door was kicked in. She couldn't believe what happened next. "I ran back into the room and they start shooting my door down," the woman says. She says the suspects tried to get inside her bedroom. The door to the room is now ripped at the bottom. The young mother's 13-year-old son and two friends were just a couple rooms away. "I was screaming... ya'll stay down," she says. 'But there was someone else in the house. A male friend who had a gun of his own. He shot back and the suspects took off.'

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6560889&nav=0RYv

Good Morning Guy!

Thanks for posting this disturbing story. I can only imagine the fear this poor woman is undergoing.

I can only believe this single mom was spared the same fate as Channon and her son was spared the same fate as Christopher, only because her male friend shot back at the animals. If they were there to rob the house, they wouldn't have tried to break down her bedroom door.

ITA! I wish Channon and Christopher had guns to protect them.

IMO

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Good Morning Guy!

Thanks for posting this disturbing story. I can only imagine the fear this poor woman is undergoing.

I can only believe this single mom was spared the same fate as Channon and her son was spared the same fate as Christopher, only because her male friend shot back at the animals. If they were there to rob the house, they wouldn't have tried to break down her bedroom door.

IMO

Good morning!

As with the killers of Channon and Christopher...if they were there to simply take Channon's 2005 SUV, then they wouldn't have abandoned it and taken the kids to their nest.

[Mishell1383]

Good morning!

As with the killers of Channon and Christopher...if they were there to simply take Channon's 2005 SUV, then they wouldn't have abandoned it and taken the kids to their nest.
PRECISELY!

[Hey Paula]

Good morning!

As with the killers of Channon and Christopher...if they were there to simply take Channon's 2005 SUV, then they wouldn't have abandoned it and taken the kids to their nest.

I wonder why LE wouldn't confirm, that the perps who broke into this single mom's house, are the same ones who killed Channon and Christopher?

Do you think LE is preparing to indict them for those charges as well, or do you think it might be a case of mistaken identity? I wonder if the single mom knows the perps from seeing them in her neighborhood?

[DJBlackAdam]

The only hate involved here is that which was present in that horror house when a gang of animals carjacked, kidnapped, raped, sodomized, mutilated, tortured, murdered and abused the corpse's of two innocent kids in Knoxville. That isn't something that happens everyday in America, even if some in this country are unfazed by it because it happens so often in their neighborhoods. I still want to hear Coleman's testimony when the prosecutor asks her what the animal was saying when he pulled Channon's head back and forced that crap down her throat, or what the animal was grunting when he was sodomizing Christopher. We will also know for sure as to whether the animals sliced off Christopher's p*nis and one or both of Channon's breasts, and if they did it, when did they do it. That testimony (and it will be made public) will answer the burning question as to whether this was a true hate crime. By the way, this case illustrates most clearly why stiffer gun control aimed at law-abiding Americans is ludicrous. If either of those victims had a weapon then they would more than likely be alive, and one or more of the animals would be rotting in hell.

Well, kidnapping, rape and murder are enough for me to want to see the ultimate punishment for this, and I wouldn't care if these guys and girl got an extra shot if this is classified a hate crime. My point in interjecting in this exchnage, is that this is horrible when whites do it whites, blacks to blacks, or whatever combination of "race" you get. It seems to me some people seem to think that race is somehow defining of the problem of brutal crime, when the cause is brutal people regardless of race.

Sure Jesse Jackson didn't speak out, and Rush Limbaugh didn't speak out when Christopher Barrios was raped and killed by White Men while a White Woman watched and masterbated.

My point, this whole race thing is inane. Bottom line, Chistain and her boyfriend were raped, tortured and killed by a group of cirminals who were Black, if race was in anyway a predicate for them selecting the victims, they should be dealt with accordingly, I doubt if you find too many people, White or Black, who would disagree with that.

[Melungeon]

Please write or e-mail your local Tennessee Congressman ....

Make that Representative and not Congressman! :rolleyes:

[Athena]

I wonder why LE wouldn't confirm, that the perps who broke into this single mom's house, are the same ones who killed Channon and Christopher?

Do you think LE is preparing to indict them for those charges as well, or do you think it might be a case of mistaken identity? I wonder if the single mom knows the perps from seeing them in her neighborhood?

This woman IMO did not sound like it was mistaken identity:

"Actually at the door, I knew that big face. I knew one of the faces, the one that kicked the door in," she says.

While the victim says a detective told her the crimes were connected, Knoxville police will not confirm or deny that. They only say the investigation is still open.

When asked about national speculation that the double murders were racially motivated, the woman says, "I don't think it's a hate crime because I am a young, single black person, an African-American and they came after me."

[Hey Paula]

This woman IMO did not sound like it was mistaken identity:

"Actually at the door, I knew that big face. I knew one of the faces, the one that kicked the door in," she says.

While the victim says a detective told her the crimes were connected, Knoxville police will not confirm or deny that. They only say the investigation is still open.

When asked about national speculation that the double murders were racially motivated, the woman says, "I don't think it's a hate crime because I am a young, single black person, an African-American and they came after me."

My honest opinion is that this woman might have said this to quell racial tensions which might surface during the trial when, if Guy is correct, testimony proves the torture and murders of Channon and Chrstopher were indeed hate crimes.

IMO

[DJBlackAdam]

My honest opinion is that this woman might have said this to quell racial tensions which might surface during the trial when, if Guy is correct, testimony proves the torture and murders of Channon and Chrstopher were indeed hate crimes.

IMO

Do you really think that this woman would be just making an accusation in order to "quell racial tensions"? I would hope not, and I can't see what would compell some private citizen to just come out a do that. I wouldn't be surprised if the MEDIA wasn't trying to spin it that way though. Further, just because the guys didn't care rather this victim was Black, doesn't speak to the possibility of the Channon crime being one.

[Hey Paula]

Do you really think that this woman would be just making an accusation in order to "quell racial tensions"? I would hope not, and I can't see what would compell some private citizen to just come out a do that. I wouldn't be surprised if the MEDIA wasn't trying to spin it that way though. Further, just because the guys didn't care rather this victim was Black, doesn't speak to the possibility of the Channon crime being one.

Aggravating factors and untruths have been introduced in past cases, which have sparked racial tensions. Perhaps, due to the vile and horrific nature of this crime, there is an effort underway to dispel the notion that this was a hate crime.

What damage can a breaking and entering with weapons charge do to those already perhaps facing the DP? The benefits could far outweigh the minimal additional charges, if the notion of a hate crime could be dispelled in the process.

IMO

[Guy_n_Georgia]

Knoxville (WVLT) – It has been an eventful day for investigators looking into the murder of one man and the disappearance of his girlfriend. Around 3:45 p.m. Tuesday, police announced the discovery of a second body. Police say they found the body of a white female Tuesday afternoon in a rental house at 2316 Chipman Street. The house is only blocks away from the spot investigators found 23-year-old Christopher Newsom's body two days ago. Since then, Knoxville Police, Knox County Sheriff's Department have been working overtime to find his girlfriend, 21-year-old Channon Christian. Police aren't saying whether or not the body they found Tuesday is Christian, but they did find her car in this area Monday. Now, with two murder investigations on their hands, police are trying to see if they are connected. "Right now, we're going to go back to the forensics center and determine who this body is," explains Knoxville Police Sergeant Tim Snoderly. Remember, police have not identified the body or connected it to the finding of Newsom's body. They're waiting on tests from the forensics lab to make a positive identification.

http://www.volunteertv.com/special/headlines/5144572.html

The police at this point had been looking for both Channon and Christopher, had already found Christopher and then found Channon's body in a house a block away from where Christopher was found...but they were unable to tell if the woman discovered in the trash bags was Channon until running forensics? It appears that the animals worked her over enough to prevent positive ID until the coroner ran a check of her dental records or DNA.

Why would the animals mutilate Channon's lovely face after carjacking, kidnapping, raping, sodomizing, mutilating, torturing and murdering her? Did they love her? We'll find out in about a year.

[Athena]

I wonder why they could not id her? According to a poster at CTV who went to Channon's funeral there was an open casket.

If I come across it I'll link to it but there are many pages over there to wade through. JMO

[Guy_n_Georgia]

I wonder why they could not id her? According to a poster at CTV who went to Channon's funeral there was an open casket.
If I come across it I'll link to it but there are many pages over there to wade through. JMO

I recall that post. God bless her, but the face of a deceased person changes drastically in a matter of 48 hours, so it's very possible that law enforcement felt it necessary to make sure before declaring that they found Channon.

[Athena]

I recall that post. God bless her, but the face of a deceased person changes drastically in a matter of 48 hours, so it's very possible that law enforcement felt it necessary to make sure before declaring that they found Channon.

But didn't you say you thought her face was mutilated??? :confused:

[Mishell1383]

But didn't you say you thought her face was mutilated??? :confused:
my thoughts too ?:confused:

[Guy_n_Georgia]

But didn't you say you thought her face was mutilated??? :confused:

I was making the point that decomposition, in addition to mutilation would make it difficult to identify the victim.

It's also possible that Channon's body was not easily identifiable because "Her body was in five separate dark trash bags...." as law enforcement stated to the press. By the way, that comment has never been repeated since this Feb 1st article.

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6023706&nav=menu7_2

[Mishell1383]

It appears that the animals worked her over enough to prevent positive ID until the coroner ran a check of her dental records or DNA.

Why would the animals mutilate Channon's lovely face after carjacking, kidnapping, raping, sodomizing, mutilating, torturing and murdering her? Did they love her? We'll find out in about a year.
??? :confused:

[Guy_n_Georgia]

??? :confused:

Mishell, your points are well taken. I apologize to the members of this board. I've decided that any further conjecture on my part is not productive. This case has created a great deal of anger and outrage, and we should wait for the results of the autopsies, as well as the transcripts of Coleman's testimony. Coleman wants her stay in prison to be as brief as possible, and her cooperation is a crucial piece of the prosecution's case against the other defendants.

[Mishell1383]

I recall that post. God bless her, but the face of a deceased person changes drastically in a matter of 48 hours, so it's very possible that law enforcement felt it necessary to make sure before declaring that they found Channon.

Mishell, your points are well taken. I apologize to the members of this board. I've decided that any further conjecture on my part is not productive. This case has created a great deal of anger and outrage, and we should wait for the results of the autopsies, as well as the transcripts of Coleman's testimony. Coleman wants her stay in prison to be as brief as possible, and her cooperation is a crucial piece of the prosecution's case against the other defendants.
What do you mean not productive!? I'm outraged and angry as well ! I didn't know if you had heard something different regarding Channon's body. Also, if I was Coleman I'd want to be in and out of prison as fast as possible too. BUT! I HOPE TO GOD she is not! I hope she pays for what she has contributed to this tragedy. And we all know ALONG with those other monsters. DON'T GO GUY! I hope that is not what you meant ! :shrug:

[Guy_n_Georgia]

'...Coleman was referred to in initial reports in January as a “witness” rather than as a suspect, and was a source of much material that eventually went into the case against her and her fellow defendants. An able defense attorney would try and spin Coleman’s cooperation into a mitigating factor at trial, and if she is convicted, during the sentencing phase. (Although Tennessee is a death-penalty state, Knox County District Attorney Randy Nichols has inexplicably refused to reveal whether he will seek the death penalty.) How loving Cobbins is presently feeling about Coleman’s cooperation with federal agents and local police may be another matter entirely....'

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/29/044850.php

The interesting thing about Coleman's testimony will be whether the prosecutor will ask her what was said by the attackers during the carjacking, kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of the victims. The prosecutors owe it to the citizens of Tennessee (and the nation) to learn as much as possible about what Coleman knows about the events leading up to the deaths of Channon and Christopher. As I have stated previously, this case will establish itself as a keystone in the arguement against the ludicrous and alarming efforts of the left to restrict gun ownership for law-abiding citizens in this country. If the two victims in this case had a weapon in their possesion, then we would not be discussing this horrific crime. It's ironic.... If one or more of the predators had been wounded or killed in the carjacking, it would also have been a good arguement against stricter gun control measures for law-abiding citizens, since at least one of the predators had a weapon of his own.

[Mishell1383]

Coleman I believe is now a suspect, she's also charged with 46 counts. I believe. Also I really REALLY hope they don't give her a plea bargain, IMO she is just as g uilty:mad:

[kristen]

If I can just slip in and make a comment here...it is entirely possible to have an open casket for someone in the event of dismemberment and some decomposition through reconstruction of the deceased. I've been a funeral director and embalmer for 13 years and have this experience behind my words. It is not an easy process and can be timely which most funeral homes may then discourage families from having a viewing open casket but it is an option in most cases. Or a family may decline to view thinking they can't have that option.

But I just wanted to clear that up that despite all that Channon endured, it is quite possible that the casket was open for services and that there probably isn't anything to question in that regard.

Kristen

[Guy_n_Georgia]

If I can just slip in and make a comment here...it is entirely possible to have an open casket for someone in the event of dismemberment and some decomposition through reconstruction of the deceased. Kristen

I personally know exactly what you mean, kristen. I have to hand it to Funeral Directors...they can almost make it appear as if nothing untoward had happened to their loved one.

[Mishell1383]

If I can just slip in and make a comment here...it is entirely possible to have an open casket for someone in the event of dismemberment and some decomposition through reconstruction of the deceased. I've been a funeral director and embalmer for 13 years and have this experience behind my words. It is not an easy process and can be timely which most funeral homes may then discourage families from having a viewing open casket but it is an option in most cases. Or a family may decline to view thinking they can't have that option.

But I just wanted to clear that up that despite all that Channon endured, it is quite possible that the casket was open for services and that there probably isn't anything to question in that regard.

Kristen
Kristen hello! Thankyou for your post! I did not know that! You learn something new everyday and I thank you for sharing your experience with us. And for teaching me a new tidbit! Hope your not a stranger on this board! :patriot: :seeya:

[kristen]

I personally know exactly what you mean, kristen. I have to hand it to Funeral Directors...they can almost make it appear as if nothing untoward had happened to their loved one.

It can be healing for many to see that after untoward circumstances. Sorry to hear you personally know what I mean though...never a good thing. :(

Kristen hello! Thankyou for your post! I did not know that! You learn something new everyday and I thank you for sharing your experience with us. And for teaching me a new tidbit! Hope your not a stranger on this board!

You're welcome. :) Happy to add in when I can and will chime in when time permits for sure. :seeya:

[Athena]

If I can just slip in and make a comment here...it is entirely possible to have an open casket for someone in the event of dismemberment and some decomposition through reconstruction of the deceased. I've been a funeral director and embalmer for 13 years and have this experience behind my words. It is not an easy process and can be timely which most funeral homes may then discourage families from having a viewing open casket but it is an option in most cases. Or a family may decline to view thinking they can't have that option.

But I just wanted to clear that up that despite all that Channon endured, it is quite possible that the casket was open for services and that there probably isn't anything to question in that regard.

Kristen

Wow! Thanks for your input. I really wouldn't have thought it possible to fix a mutilated face for viewing purposes because I have been to funerals where the family opted to have a closed casket in a traumatic death. However, you have cleared that up for me. These murders were so gruesome as it is I could only think that Channon and Chris prayed for death. :(

[dallasvic]

Paula. I agree with you. There have already been actions taken in this case by certain groups of people that want to bring the racial aspect to the forefront. IIRC, the families of these two tragic victims went before the media and asked that this not be done. I think everyone in the area of these crimes knows what the potential fall out will be if this explodes into an issue of race and hate crimes. IMO, however, I do believe the brutality of what was done to these two innocent people was heightened and motivated by hatred. Not just hatred against their fellow human beings, but hatred against these two white individuals. One motivation might be jealousy. JMHO.

Hi Everyone,

I don't know if any of yall heard about the Jasper Texas Murder.It is only about 30 mile from me. It was made into a movie. 4 white men beat a black man just and then chained his feet to the truck and dragged him to his death. It was horrific.I order the movie on my Netflix and it mad me so mad at these 4 white guy. I am white ,but I do not see color and was not raised to believe that any of us are different.We are all Gods children and we all bleed the same color.:shrug:
When these guy were arrested the KKK went they and other groups also.
It almost started a race war , but the black mans family pleaded to the people in town not to do this. The just want justice to be served for what happen to there son and did not want anyone else to get hurt. They were very good people and I truly felt hurt in my heart for them.

[Hey Paula]

Hi Everyone,

I don't know if any of yall heard about the Jasper Texas Murder.It is only about 30 mile from me. It was made into a movie. 4 white men beat a black man just and then chained his feet to the truck and dragged him to his death. It was horrific.I order the movie on my Netflix and it mad me so mad at these 4 white guy. I am white ,but I do not see color and was not raised to believe that any of us are different.We are all Gods children and we all bleed the same color.:shrug:
When these guy were arrested the KKK went they and other groups also.
It almost started a race war , but the black mans family pleaded to the people in town not to do this. The just want justice to be served for what happen to there son and did not want anyone else to get hurt. They were very good people and I truly felt hurt in my heart for them.

Hi Dallas and Everyone!

I followed that case of the tragic and horrific murder of James Byrd, Jr. It was a despicable, senseless, hateful crime perpetrated by 3 whites against an innocent black man, for which I called for the death penalty.

[Hey Paula]

I remember this case, as well. Mr. Byrd's family acted with dignity and grace in the face of this horrible, hate crime. I'll give the Lone Star State credit for one thing, they don't hesitate when it comes to meting out the DP! That is one no nonsense state, IMO. Maybe someday race and religion won't be the impetus for violent crimes. Do you guys think we'll see that level of tolerance in our lifetimes?

JMVHO.

As long as there is an "us versus them" mentality, we will never see a safe level of tolerance. This mindset exists in all facets of life, and can be witnessed even on these boards, LOL.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Of course, you're right! Even on these boards, LOL. Good thing our only weapon is our words, they might sting, even hurt, but at least they don't kill. JMVHO.

It has been said that the pen is mightier than the sword. :eek:

Cyberspace and our computer screens are our shields! :biggrin:


IMO

[Athena]

As long as there is an "us versus them" mentality, we will never see a safe level of tolerance. This mindset exists in all facets of life, and can be witnessed even on these boards, LOL.

IMO

Sad but true. I just have to personally believe that there are more good people in this world than the sickos that commit crimes like this no matter what the color of their skin and the terrorists. I really do believe generally most people are good people.

I just have to believe that!!!

[Athena]

It has been said that the pen is mightier than the sword. :eek:

Cyberspace and our computer screens are our shields! :biggrin:


IMO

LMAO!!! :lol: This is funny!

[CaroleNichols]

If those were my children, then the suspects, if found guilty would fear me. Somehow, I would find a way to get lot's of cash to a few convicts in prison to take them out. That's just me. :biggrin:

Losing my kid would be the end of my life as I know it, and I would do all that I could to end their miserable lives on earth.

I know this is terrible to say, but even THAT would not be justice enough in my opinion! If they were my children, there would be no end to what I would want to do in retaliation. Even knowing that whatever nightmare I visited upon these animals would still not bring my children back to me. Why should they die quickly (which is a joke because they're appealed forever)? Why should we have to house and clothe and feed and doctor them for the rest of their lives by allowing them life without parole? No, that's too easy, and I'll admit, I can be an animal, too. They need to recieve what they meted out. They need to be put into a pit with hungry, humongus anacondas. They need to be staked out in the desert, to die of thirst and hunger, and bug bites, and coyote attacks, and still it would not be enough. We pamper criminals too much! That's why there are so many of them. Let's take the food and clothing and medications we provide for these sorry excuses for humanity and give them to our hungry, needy children.

[Mishell1383]

Carole,

I agree with you. We coddle convicted murderers and we do very little for our own needy children. I would propose that the US Government, with contributions from each of our states, build a maximum security facility in Antartica. The facilities for the guards would be superb and the salary phenomenal. Of course, the guards would rotate in and out on a yearly basis but the monetary rewards would surpass the isolation. For the prisoners - no tv, no mail, no visits, no comissary accounts, no work out rooms, no books, not magazines, no phone calls, no contact at all with each other or the outside world. The only thing in their cell would be a picture of their victim. They would be locked down 24/7 and only allowed a shower twice a week (I'd suggest outdoor shower that might be too much). This is how they would spend the rest of their lives. In the bitter cold, dark, lonely world of Antartica where all they had to look at would be the pictures of their victim(s). JMVHO.
How do we start funding for this project?

[Carmela]

My point, this whole race thing is inane. Bottom line, Chistain and her boyfriend were raped, tortured and killed by a group of cirminals who were Black, if race was in anyway a predicate for them selecting the victims, they should be dealt with accordingly, I doubt if you find too many people, White or Black, who would disagree with that.

O RLY? Here's a reporter from Seattle saying, "Cry me a river."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003731134_pitts03.html

I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

Cry me a river.

[DJBlackAdam]

O RLY? Here's a reporter from Seattle saying, "Cry me a river."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003731134_pitts03.html

Rriiggghhhtttt. Like This person speaks for the masses.

Oy Veh...

[dallasvic]

He might not speak for the masses but he speaks to them, IMO. I think that should have been edited out of that article. It's unecessary at best, inflammatory at worse. JMVHO.

:seeya: Hi Everyone,

I totally agree.:flamemad:

[DJBlackAdam]

He might not speak for the masses but he speaks to them, IMO. I think that should have been edited out of that article. It's unecessary at best, inflammatory at worse. JMVHO.

Wouldn't debate that Brooklyn, the problem here is that the the statement about this journalist saying what he said was contrasted to what I initial said, which was:

“My point, this whole race thing is inane. Bottom line, Christian and her boyfriend were raped, tortured and killed by a group of criminals who were Black, if race was in anyway a predicate for them selecting the victims, they should be dealt with accordingly, I doubt if you find too many people, White or Black, who would disagree with that.”

So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling.

http://djblackadam.typepad.com/

[dallasvic]

Wouldn't debate that Brooklyn, the problem here is that the the statement about this journalist saying what he said was contrasted to what I initial said, which was:

“My point, this whole race thing is inane. Bottom line, Christian and her boyfriend were raped, tortured and killed by a group of criminals who were Black, if race was in anyway a predicate for them selecting the victims, they should be dealt with accordingly, I doubt if you find too many people, White or Black, who would disagree with that.”

So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling.



http://djblackadam.typepad.com/

:seeya: Hi BA,
I get your point now! I do agree with you on that for sure.:D
:seeya:

[DJBlackAdam]

I just wanted to make sure that the thought was clear

I wrote:

"So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling."

I missed the word "don't" in the first sentence, it should read:


"So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White DON'T share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling."

I think my meaning came accross though, but just wanted to clarify.

[dallasvic]

I just wanted to make sure that the thought was clear

I wrote:

"So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling."

I missed the word "don't" in the first sentence, it should read:


"So, sure the paper shouldn’t have printed his trife, but my point in saying he doesn’t speak FOR the mases, is that I believe most people, Black or White DON'T share his position. So what he speaks TO the masses, so does David Duke, doesn’t mean the masses are buying what their selling."

I think my meaning came accross though, but just wanted to clarify.

:seeya: Hi BA,

You cleared that up very well.Thank You

[DJBlackAdam]

David Duke doesn't stand alone, IMO. Add to him Al Sharton. IMO, it doesn't matter if you wear a white sheet or a black sheet, if you wear a sheet you need to stay quietly behind it! JMVHO.

Well, I am definately no Al Sharpton fan, but I wouldn't equate him to David Duke, Sharpton maybe a clown, but David Duke was a member of an organization with a definate track record for violenence against people.

No, I would equate Rush Limbaugh or Pat Buchannan with Sharpton and Jackson.

JMHO :-)

[CaroleNichols]

He might not speak for the masses but he speaks to them, IMO. I think that should have been edited out of that article. It's unecessary at best, inflammatory at worse. JMVHO.

I don't know if I can agree with "editing". This is still the United States of America, and one of the few freedoms we still have is the freedom to express our opinions and views. No one has to agree with them, and as long as they are not threatening or terroristic, then you have a choice to read them or not read them, agree with them or not agree with them. I happen to disagree with him, but I acknowledge his right to state his opinion.

As a white southern woman who grew up during the 60's when racism was at it's peak, I can tell you, it's a race crime....just a different color doing it. It doesn't make it any more right. It looks like by now all races and colors could find something more to hate than the color of a person's skin....we should have evolved and matured in nearly half a century. I'm sorry Mr. Spock, please come back when we grow up.

[hoglover]

I see no one has posted anything for awhile. I saw this story yesterday and read the articles about it. I am in TN and didn't know about this. This absolutely makes me sick. I can't believe that not only just one, but 5 people were involved. Didn't just one look up and say, HEY THIS IS WRONG!!! We shouldn't do this to these people. It is sick. I can't hardly fathom that I could actually be standing in, say a Wal Mart, and maybe be staring right in the face of a killer of all the different people we see. Someone we could live right next door to could be a murderer. SICKENING!!!!! By the way, this was no act of anything racial! MOO! Per the report of them attacking a African American woman before the murders. They should fry!!!! (and this wouldn't be harsh enough)

[Mishell1383]

I see no one has posted anything for awhile. I saw this story yesterday and read the articles about it. I am in TN and didn't know about this. This absolutely makes me sick. I can't believe that not only just one, but 5 people were involved. Didn't just one look up and say, HEY THIS IS WRONG!!! We shouldn't do this to these people. It is sick. I can't hardly fathom that I could actually be standing in, say a Wal Mart, and maybe be staring right in the face of a killer of all the different people we see. Someone we could live right next door to could be a murderer. SICKENING!!!!! By the way, this was no act of anything racial! MOO! Per the report of them attacking a African American woman before the murders. They should fry!!!! (and this wouldn't be harsh enough)
I guess we are all just waiting for the trial, I totall agree with you hoglover. Imagine how many murderers or rapists we have already stared in the face of? And not even realize it.

[Mishell1383]

Tenant living in Knoxville double murder house wants out

August 6, 2007
By ADAM LONGO (http://www.wate.com/global/Story.asp?s=3996528)
6 News Anchor/Reporter
"KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- The family sits relaxed on their front porch. They've come to terms with what happened inside their house. (http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5914569) But it's what's going on outside, 24 hours a day that has them fearing for their lives.
It was a gruesome crime. For two Knoxville families and the current occupants of the house, the nightmare is far from over.
Eight months ago Monday, East Tennessee was gripped by the unthinkable. A young couple was carjacked and murdered in Knoxville. The house where police say it happened was vacant until recently."


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http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6895217&nav=0RYv

[One2Snoop]

Tenant living in Knoxville double murder house wants out

August 6, 2007
By ADAM LONGO (http://www.wate.com/global/Story.asp?s=3996528)
6 News Anchor/Reporter
"KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- The family sits relaxed on their front porch. They've come to terms with what happened inside their house. (http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5914569) But it's what's going on outside, 24 hours a day that has them fearing for their lives.
It was a gruesome crime. For two Knoxville families and the current occupants of the house, the nightmare is far from over.
Eight months ago Monday, East Tennessee was gripped by the unthinkable. A young couple was carjacked and murdered in Knoxville. The house where police say it happened was vacant until recently."


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http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6895217&nav=0RYv


I can just imagine they're having problems. I could never live in a home knowing something like this happened. I don't think I could ever come to terms with it. It's just so unbelievable to me that a human being could do what they did to Channon and Christopher.

It looks like Authorities want her to move out and the landlord's going to let her break the lease. I hope she gets her money back.

From the linked article above....

Knoxville police check on Jackie often. But ATF investigators came to the house late last week, bringing disturbing news.

"They was telling me that I do need to move because there have been threats. They (hate groups) want this house torn down or burnt," she says.

Jackie's landlord says he'll let her break the lease, but she wants her $200 deposit back as well so she can find a new place to live. Until then, she'll continue to ward off curious onlookers.

[Mishell1383]

i'd neve be able to live in that house. Kudos to her for trying to make a good life for her family. I think that house should be torn down though. imo.

I also can't wait for the trial, its been awfully quiet regarding this case. :shrug:

[dallasvic]

That lady stated she knew some about what happened in the house, so that make me want to know what she knew and then what she found out later. I would agree with having the home tore down because there was alot of EVIL in the house during the torture and murders of Channon and Chris.
:rose: MAY THEY REST IN PEACE:rose: They Suffer No More
:rose: For Their Families

[Athena]

I see no one has posted anything for awhile. I saw this story yesterday and read the articles about it. I am in TN and didn't know about this. This absolutely makes me sick. I can't believe that not only just one, but 5 people were involved. Didn't just one look up and say, HEY THIS IS WRONG!!! We shouldn't do this to these people. It is sick. I can't hardly fathom that I could actually be standing in, say a Wal Mart, and maybe be staring right in the face of a killer of all the different people we see. Someone we could live right next door to could be a murderer. SICKENING!!!!! By the way, this was no act of anything racial! MOO! Per the report of them attacking a African American woman before the murders. They should fry!!!! (and this wouldn't be harsh enough)

If there is one case that deserves the death penalty it is the Christian-Newsom case. Found this in another thread (courtesty of One2Snoop) so maybe they will fry (as you called it). Looks like Tennesse has used Old Sparky for the first time since 1960:

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A man convicted of murdering four children with an assault rifle was executed Wednesday, becoming the first Tennessee inmate put to death by electrocution since 1960.

Daryl Holton confessed to killing his three sons and their half-sister with an assault rifle.

Daryl Holton, 45, had confessed to shooting his three young sons and their half-sister in 1997 in the town of Shelbyville, about 50 miles south of Nashville.

Holton told police he killed the children because his ex-wife had refused to let him see them. He said he intended to kill her and himself, but instead turned himself in.

As the hours ticked away Tuesday night, a group of attorneys petitioned the state Supreme Court to stop the electrocution, saying the execution method was cruel and unusual punishment. But the court rejected the petition.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/12/tenn.execution.ap/index.html

[FDInLaw]

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT) -- The first trial ends with the first guilty verdict in connection with the deaths of Channon Christian, 21, and Christopher Newsom, 23.

The only one of the five suspects not charged with murder, Eric DeWayne Boyd is guilty of being an accessory, according to the jury.

The jury has spoken, convicting Eric Boyd of two counts.

After five hours of deliberation, they found Boyd guilty of being an accessory after the fact, and concealing a felon, agreeing with the prosecution that he helped hide murder suspect Lemaricus Davidson from police, while failing to report his crimes.

This battle is over, but the victim's families know the war will be long.

The victims' families celebrate the word they've been waiting to hear for more than a year: Guilty.

Eric Boyd's conviction today is the first, but family members pray it won't be the last.

Channon Christian's father Gary Christian says, "One down, four to go, baby. We got more to go on this one too. Eric boyd's gonna hear from us."

What Eric Boyd heard from the jury today will likely mean 15 years in federal prison, after sentencing August 12th.

Next year may bring four more trials, death penalty cases against the four accused murderers. . .

http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/17827469.html