Melanie McGuire Murder Trial

[SweetnSonny]

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/04/testimony_in_mcguire_trial_tar.html

McGuire, a 34-year-old fertility clinic nurse, is accused of drugging, fatally shooting and dismembering her husband in April 2004. Authorities also charge she stuffed his remains in three matching suitcases and dumped them in the Cheseapeake Bay. They were recovered during three days in May 2004.

More at link.

[dallasvic]

This is very disturbing. This lady was a nurse and to think she would do such a thing to a human being.I can not imagine someone kill and the cutting up a body. MG What is our world coming to?

[sophie23]

:seeya: Even tho she was convicted of this terrible crime. I find it very troubling to think that this tiny woman(they say she is fairly small)could have killed, AND dismembered her husband. It just seems to me she would have to have had help, if she did it at all. I know women do kill....but dismember someone? I just have a hard time accepting that. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't...but I find it very hard to believe this story.

[dallasvic]

She is not the first woman to do this. It was not long ago I read about another woman and year ago one did the same thing. I will like it up and get the story and post it on another thread.
It has be said that fear, anger, ect causes some people have more strength then they usually do. I actually seen a guy lift up a helicopter that had crashed and pinned a man down an it was leaking gas an they pulled him out an just got a few feet away and it blow. The man has since try to do it again and he can't. Weird

[sophie23]

She is not the first woman to do this. It was not long ago I read about another woman and year ago one did the same thing. I will like it up and get the story and post it on another thread.
It has be said that fear, anger, ect causes some people have more strength then they usually do. I actually seen a guy lift up a helicopter that had crashed and pinned a man down an it was leaking gas an they pulled him out an just got a few feet away and it blow. The man has since try to do it again and he can't. Weird

:read: I agree with what you say. BUT the only times I have heard of that happening has usually been in a rescue situation...not murder. AND most times it seems to be a man doing this extraordinary feat....not women. I am not saying anything is impossible...it is just hard for me to accept. Especially a very small woman.

[dallasvic]

yes I do agree that is hard to believe, but the thing I thought about is since she is a nurse she would Petty much know were to cut to keep from cutting into bone. This is bad to say but it is just a example; when you cut up a chicken or dressing a deer there are places to cut that is just like grissel, so say on a chicken leg you cut into the meat and when you get to a certain point you can turn it and cut more and it misses the bone. I guess it is the same with a human. I sure would not what to find out thought. She placed the body parts in suite cases so it was easy to carry.JMO But she could have had help ,but for some reason she is not saying that she did .

[sophie23]

Somehow I believe it is possible her doctor boyfriend may have possibly been involved. I can just see a man having the stomach for that, more than a woman. But it is hard to say for sure. As far as being in the different suitcases...there is a possiblilty that might have been mainly to scatter the remains, so they wouldn't be so hard to dump, in different locations, and be found as easily, moreso than for the weight situation.(JMO)

[dallasvic]

Yes that could be possible, why did she use her own luggage.It was matching luggage if i remember correctly! If she did do it, that was stupid on her part. If she had to use luggage she should have went an bought some different then she had and paid cash and threw the receipt away. That way they would have had a hard time linking it to her.They would have had to canvas the area in about a 100 mile radius all stores that carried the type luggage she put it in to fine out if any one remembered see her. And that would have taken alot of time to talk to every employee at each store.Do you think she could have been framed ? If her doctor boyfriend did help her, why is there no evidence connecting him ? Would she take all the blame if he did help her ? Lot of question !!!!!!!

[sophie23]

Yes that could be possible, why did she use her own luggage.It was matching luggage if i remember correctly! If she did do it, that was stupid on her part. If she had to use luggage she should have went an bought some different then she had and paid cash and threw the receipt away. That way they would have had a hard time linking it to her.They would have had to canvas the area in about a 100 mile radius all stores that carried the type luggage she put it in to fine out if any one remembered see her. And that would have taken alot of time to talk to every employee at each store.Do you think she could have been framed ? If her doctor boyfriend did help her, why is there no evidence connecting him ? Would she take all the blame if he did help her ? Lot of question !!!!!!!

:seeya: You are right...there are a lot of questions unanswered. I wonder if the doc, or somone else, actually did it, and maybe she just stood by and didn't actually participate. If she did do it, I would be very surprised. I find it a horrendous thing to consider dismembering someone. And for a woman to....just defies my imagination to accept that. AND using her own luggage, not too smart, I'd say. I just don't know. I still find it awfully hard to think she actually did it herself. If I had been on the jury...I would have to have been a holdout.....just too many questions, and too much doubt for me to find her guilty.

[dallasvic]

If she did do this she did alot of things wrong I my book. The luggage , taking the blame . If it was someone she know why would she take all the blame on herself? Did her boyfriend help? If so he is no good letting her take all the blame . He was a big mistake !:mad: I do find it hard to believe to , but these day alot of women surprise me. These days so many people do things I would not even think of doing and I would like to know where they come up with all of these bad things to do to each other ?:eek: These days alot people are doing it for money and others do it for thrills,power and controll , rage, illness,tired of being bullied,etc.Can you think of any think else?:shrug: People are very weird these days. I can't figure them out.So sick .

[sophie23]

:seeya: I agree with you on many points...but IF she did do it...she would be in a class of her own. I have never heard of any other murder case where a woman dismembered someone. If her BF did it...he is surely alouse for letting her fall by herself...but it does happen. I just don't think I could have convicted her. What happened to her husband was absolutely horrible, but I just have too many doubts, and unanswered questions for me to have convicted her.(JMO)

[dallasvic]

:seeya: I agree with you on many points...but IF she did do it...she would be in a class of her own. I have never heard of any other murder case where a woman dismembered someone. If her BF did it...he is surely alouse for letting her fall by herself...but it does happen. I just don't think I could have convicted her. What happened to her husband was absolutely horrible, but I just have too many doubts, and unanswered questions for me to have convicted her.(JMO)

:seeya: I am glad I was not on the jury:eek: I wonder if they is something that we could have missed that the jury picked up on? And if he did help her he is the biggest BUTT I have ever seen!

[sophie23]

:seeya: I am glad I was not on the jury:eek: I wonder if they is something that we could have missed that the jury picked up on? And if he did help her he is the biggest BUTT I have ever seen!

:seeya: Agreed...but you know, I visited her site. AND a letter I read there sounds like to me she could have been framed. The claim is she was responsible for the letter...but I find that hard to buy. I believe her husband was into some dangerous things that could have cost him his life, and someone wanted her to take the fall. Even going to the extent of using items in the home to set her up, perhaps going there and killing him while she was away from home. I could be wrong...but it just seems a possibility to me.(JMO)

[2L8 4A D8]

According to Posters over on the MM Board at CTV, there are many that believe that it was her step-father who helped her dismember WM's body, pack it in the 3 suitcases and dropped it off the Chesapeake Bay Bridge to the water below! However, it was MM who fed WM the Chloral Hydrate that knocked him out and then she shot him, using a pillow(s) as silencers. That's why no one heard any noise or shots. Their bed, pillows and rug were gotten rid of. Why? I think that they and we all know why!

MM then called her step-father for help. They then removed WM's body and dismembered it elsewhere. The step-father's car had EZPass hits on it to AC along with MM's car, but 'ol step-dad wasn't stupid enough to try and get the EZPass charges removed which was a big mistake on MM's part.

It is also believed that MM's Mother, MM's best friend Selene and Selene's husband Alex also had parts in the whole sordid mess. Not in the killing/dismembering/getting rid of the body, etc. but they were all involved just the same. This is why everyone thinks that this is why MM hasn't spilled the beans of anyone helping her and will take it to the grave to hopefully save the 4 of them (Mom/Dad/Selene/Alex). MM knows that she is a goner, but we will see what happens down the road though as far as bringing charges against the 4 of them.

All of us honestly believe that MM thought that she had gotten away with the perfect murder and maybe she would have if the luggage hadn't of washed up! Scott Peterson thought that he had gotten away with the perfect murder too, but then we all know what happened when Laci and Conner washed up in the San Francisco Bay just days apart! And we also know that he got the death penalty for what he did and also know where he is sitting as we speak!

I don't profess to be a know-it-all of the MM Murder Case. Just going by things that have been posted over on the CTV MM Board and Threads! Thus, all of this is...

JMO and MOO!!

[luvspring]

There is much more to this - yet to come. Unlike most of the posters over on the CTV boards I don't believe she did it. I believe she was framed and I even think I know who framed her or at the very least I have my suspicions. I'd be drummed right off the other boards for those statements, but there is a gnawing feeling in my gut that she isn't all that they have painted her to be. Yes, she may be sleazy about who she sleeps with and she might have a garbage mouth, but I don't think she murdered WM. There is a small handful of posters over there that feel much the same as I do. They take a heck of a beating and tons of ridicule, but they stick in. I mostly lurk. :chicken: :shrug:

[sophie23]

There is much more to this - yet to come. Unlike most of the posters over on the CTV boards I don't believe she did it. I believe she was framed and I even think I know who framed her or at the very least I have my suspicions. I'd be drummed right off the other boards for those statements, but there is a gnawing feeling in my gut that she isn't all that they have painted her to be. Yes, she may be sleazy about who she sleeps with and she might have a garbage mouth, but I don't think she murdered WM. There is a small handful of posters over there that feel much the same as I do. They take a heck of a beating and tons of ridicule, but they stick in. I mostly lurk. :chicken: :shrug:

:seeya: I have to agree with you. There are just too many things about the case that, to me are murky. I just could not have brought myself to convict her. Of course, thats just me.(JMO)

[luvspring]

Will this be the beginning of a long line of appeals attorneys or will the dynamic duo pursue a new trial? Many think Tacopina wants to distance himself from MM, but Turano seems to be staying the course. I pity her when the judge sentences her. I think she will have a complete breakdown unless she is heavily medicated. I feel very sorry for her and I hope someone is able to produce some redeeming evidence. I just don't think she did it - despite some very convincing CE. JMO!

[2L8 4A D8]

I will be very, very surprised if Joe Taco shows up come sentencing time for MM. I think all MM will have is the other attorney, JT, standing all alone with her!

No one saw Mark Gariegos show up come sentencing time for Scott Peterson. As soon as the verdict was rendered, MG couldn't get back to L.A. fast enough! Forget about showing back up to Court for SP's sentencing.

But then, SP sure doesn't/didn't look like MM, so I could be wrong. Stranger things have happened! :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

[dallasvic]

:seeya: Agreed...but you know, I visited her site. AND a letter I read there sounds like to me she could have been framed. The claim is she was responsible for the letter...but I find that hard to buy. I believe her husband was into some dangerous things that could have cost him his life, and someone wanted her to take the fall. Even going to the extent of using items in the home to set her up, perhaps going there and killing him while she was away from home. I could be wrong...but it just seems a possibility to me.(JMO)

Your talking about being framed , there should have been finger prints or some kind of forensic evidence to point to that. Even in the suitcases there should have been fibers hair something that would point to others.
Lately i have read about doctors and nurses killing . Very bazaar.:eek: There are so many questions to be answer and we will never know!!

[sophie23]

Your talking about being framed , there should have been finger prints or some kind of forensic evidence to point to that. Even in the suitcases there should have been fibers hair something that would point to others.
Lately i have read about doctors and nurses killing . Very bazaar.:eek: There are so many questions to be answer and we will never know!!

:seeya: I agree...but don't you suppose someone may have worn gloves...maybe surgical gloves? There really are so many unanswered questions. This was a really odd case, to say the least.(JMO)

[dallasvic]

:seeya: I agree...but don't you suppose someone may have worn gloves...maybe surgical gloves? There really are so many unanswered questions. This was a really odd case, to say the least.(JMO)

This is true.It is a odd case to say the least.The gloves would have helped , but usually when a crime is committed like this they would have had to wear something over their cloths and on their head. Could it have been surgical garb?:eek: Maybe one day we will have some answers. May be after she spends on time in prison she will want to tell the true about if there was anyone that helped her.

[sophie23]

This is true.It is a odd case to say the least.The gloves would have helped , but usually when a crime is committed like this they would have had to wear something over their cloths and on their head. Could it have been surgical garb?:eek: Maybe one day we will have some answers. May be after she spends on time in prison she will want to tell the true about if there was anyone that helped her.

:seeya: Maybe eventually CTV Investigator Jerry Palace maybe could do an investigation on this case, and come up with more answers. It sure needs some looking into further. At this time, to me, the whole case is just too murky.(JMO)

[Hey Paula]

:seeya: Maybe eventually CTV Investigator Jerry Palace maybe could do an investigation on this case, and come up with more answers. It sure needs some looking into further. At this time, to me, the whole case is just too murky.(JMO)

The only questions remaining in my mind are: Did someone help MM, and if so, who was it?

I have no doubt whatsoever that Melanie killed her husband, with premeditation. There is a more than enough CE to prove her guilt BARD.

IMO

[dallasvic]

The only questions remaining in my mind are: Did someone help MM, and if so, who was it?

I have no doubt whatsoever that Melanie killed her husband, with premeditation. There is a more than enough CE to prove her guilt BARD.

IMO

I totally agree with you one that for sure !!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think that she had HELP as some seem to believe ? :shrug: I am not sure myself I think she could have done it herself. She was a nurse and would know where to do the cutting so it would not be that hard for one person to have done by themselves . That is JMO

[Hey Paula]

I totally agree with you one that for sure !!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think that she had HELP as some seem to believe ? :shrug: I am not sure myself I think she could have done it herself. She was a nurse and would know where to do the cutting so it would not be that hard for one person to have done by themselves . That is JMO

Hi Dallas!

Yes, I'm inclined to believe she had an accomplice.

To set her plan in motion, to correspond with her story that she and Bill had a fight and he left for Atlantic City, I believe she drove her husband's car there and left it there, with someone following in Melanie's car. Particles of human tissue, belonging to Bill, were found in his car. There were no records of cab fares, which is my main reason for believing she had an accomplice.

IMO

[dallasvic]

Hi Dallas!

Yes, I'm inclined to believe she had an accomplice.

To set her plan in motion, to correspond with her story that she and Bill had a fight and he left for Atlantic City, I believe she drove her husband's car there and left it there, with someone following in Melanie's car. Particles of human tissue, belonging to Bill, were found in his car. There were no records of cab fares, which is my main reason for believing she had an accomplice.

IMO
:seeya: Morning Paula,

I was thinking it might be her boyfriend and she is taking the whole rap for now !!! Once she does some time I am thinking she might want to do some talking:chicken: Then maybe we will get the WHOLE story :read:

[Hey Paula]

:seeya: Morning Paula,

I was thinking it might be her boyfriend and she is taking the whole rap for now !!! Once she does some time I am thinking she might want to do some talking:chicken: Then maybe we will get the WHOLE story :read:

Good Morning Dallas! ~~~~~WAVING TO YOU!~~~~~~~~

I don't think it was her boyfriend. I have someone else in mind. If Melanie discloses that person's name, she can't appeal because she will have admitted to having killed her husband. I believe she will maintain her innocence, and remain in prison, unless she wins an appeal and is acquitted, which I doubt will happen.

IMO

[dallasvic]

Good Morning Dallas! ~~~~~WAVING TO YOU!~~~~~~~~

I don't think it was her boyfriend. I have someone else in mind. If Melanie discloses that person's name, she can't appeal because she will have admitted to having killed her husband. I believe she will maintain her innocence, and remain in prison, unless she wins an appeal and is acquitted, which I doubt will happen.

IMO

You right I did not think of that ,Thanks :) Come on tell me Paula who do you have in mind ? Don't leave me hanging on that one:tongue:

[Hey Paula]

You right I did not think of that ,Thanks :) Come on tell me Paula who do you have in mind ? Don't leave me hanging on that one:tongue:

LOL! I hope it's alright to post my thoughts.

I think it was her stepfather.

JMO

[dallasvic]

LOL! I hope it's alright to post my thoughts.

I think it was her stepfather.

JMO


OMG, that was my second choose;) So in your option why do you think it was him ? What would be the motive for him to get involved IYO ?

[Hey Paula]

OMG, that was my second choose;) So in your option why do you think it was him ? What would be the motive for him to get involved IYO ?

Melanie had a close relationship with her mother and stepfather. I believe the thought that he had helped her might have been LE's thinking as well, since a search warrant was also executed for their home, where they found Bill's Taj Mahal comp card.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Hi Paula!

I agree with you. I thought about the stepfather helping her out of this mess, too. I don't think he was involved with the planning process, I think Melanie panicked and called him after the deed was done. If anything, he's an accomplice after the fact and guilty of obstructing an official police investigation and hindering prosecution. JMVHO.

Hi BL!

I, too, believe he was an accessory after the fact, assisting her in various ways, after the crime was already committed.

IMO