Witnesses Who's Credibility is Questionable

[thinkaboutit]

There were witnesses who either contradicted themselves pre-lim to trial testimony or had other issues that cause people to question their credibility. Let's post the information here.

[accordn2me]

There were witnesses who either contradicted themselves pre-lim to trial testimony or had other issues that cause people to question their credibility. Let's post the information here.What are the rules....post what we recall...or post snips of conflicting statements?

[attorneywan2be]

Let's start with Karen Servas....

[thinkaboutit]

Harvey Kemple testified that someone with the last name of Tobin and someone named Stephanie -were friends of his that worked at the Del Rio Country Club and they told him that Scott had been golfing there. When Grogan went to check it out - there was no one named Stephanie that worked there and Mr. Tobin said he was not aware of Scott having golfed there.



HARRIS: All right. You testified that, or excuse me, I'm sorry. You told the investigator that you had followed Scott to the country club, the Del Rio Country Club; is that correct?

KEMPLE: Yes.

HARRIS: And you told them that you knew he was a golfer?

KEMPLE: Yes.

HARRIS: And that, in fact, you had friends at the Del Rio Country Club and these friends had actually called you and told you that Scott had been showing up at the country club; is that correct?

KEMPLE: No one specifically called me. It was in person that I had heard it.

HARRIS: Okay. Did you give the names of these friends to the investigators so they could follow-up?

KEMPLE: I wasn't asked.

HARRIS: You weren't asked that question?

KEMPLE: No.

HARRIS: The investigators never bothered to find out whether or not they could back up this story?

DISTASO: Objection. It's argumentative.

KEMPLE: I wasn't asked.

JUDGE: The answer can go out. Sustained. Next question.

HARRIS: Could you tell us who these friends are?

KEMPLE: Yes.

HARRIS: I'm sorry?

KEMPLE: Yes, I could.

HARRIS: Okay. Could you please give me the names?

KEMPLE: Dennis Tobin, for one.

HARRIS: I'm sorry, what was the name?

KEMPLE: Dennis Tobin.

HARRIS: Hogan?

KEMPLE: Tobin, T-O-B-I-N.

HARRIS: And who else?

KEMPLE: I'm trying to think. I can't think of a last name right off the top of my head, but a young lady by the name of Stephanie that works at the golf course.

HARRIS: And you don't, you just know Stephanie, do you know,

KEMPLE: I can't think.

HARRIS: I'm sorry. Overlapping.

JUDGE: She works at the golf course.

HARRIS: We're going to get yelled at again. Do you know where she works at the golf course?

KEMPLE: No, I don't. I think she is part of the pro shop, or something like that, you know, but I...



GERAGOS: How about Harvey Kemple talking about the golf course. The, whatever the name of that golf course is, testified here that six months later he had this epiphany basically, did you guys send somebody out to the country club to check out what he said?

GROGAN: About, yeah, there was a statement about Scott golfing there or something to that effect, is that right?

GERAGOS: Right. And then he mentioned somebody by the name of Stephanie or something like that so you send somebody out there to check up on this information, right?

GROGAN: That's correct.

GERAGOS: It turns out it was his long time friend, Mr. Tobin, who he's known since third grade, right?

GROGAN: That was one of the people that was contacted and I don't think there was a Stephanie that we could find.

GERAGOS: Right. So the name Stephanie that Harvey Kemple testified to this jury at the country club that would back up his memory, there was no Stephanie that even worked at the country club, correct?

GROGAN: There's no Stephanie that works there.

GERAGOS: And the guy that he'd grown up with since grade school told him said, no, Scott wasn't over here golfing, right?

GROGAN: Yeah, he said that he wasn't aware of that.


Also for six months Kemple never called the police to tell them that Scott told him he was golfing on the 24th. Not once. He testified he told all of his friends and family - but never called the police to tell them that. He did not tell them anything about it until they contacted him regarding the burnt chicken incident.

[Wudge]

There were witnesses who either contradicted themselves pre-lim to trial testimony or had other issues that cause people to question their credibility. Let's post the information here.

There were three witnesses who were brutally impeached by Geragos.

Detective Brocchini

Detective Hendee

Eloise Anderson, a dog handler.

Judge Delucchi instructed the jury on CAJIC 2.21 (witness willfully false)

[Beebee]

Amber Frey is not credible, imo.

By the way, did that guy who she lied about and said fathered her child ever sue her? I can't remember his name. How many years did Amber collect child support? The actual father (married at the time) had the last name Funch. Amber's got some real issues with men, imo.

[thinkaboutit]

What are the rules....post what we recall...or post snips of conflicting statements?


No recall. I prefer the testimony be included to back up the point.

[JustMyOpinion]

No recall. I prefer the testimony be included to back up the point.

Transcripts are not available to the public ( unless an individual chose to pay for them, download them, and store them in files). There are those who have claimed the "Scott is Innocent" site is not a reliable source for transcripts ( claim has been made that they may have been edited, I have no idea if this is true). Do you know of an unbiased site where transcripts of actual testimony can be read & copied/pasted? I would comply with a "rule" to include excerpts of actual testimony on this thread if it were possible. TIA.

[thinkaboutit]

Transcripts are not available to the public ( unless an individual chose to pay for them, download them, and store them in files). There are those who have claimed the "Scott is Innocent" site is not a reliable source for transcripts ( claim has been made that they may have been edited, I have no idea if this is true). Do you know of an unbiased site where transcripts of actual testimony can be read & copied/pasted? I would comply with a "rule" to include excerpts of actual testimony on this thread if it were possible. TIA.

I do not know of another site that provides the transcripts. IMO SII is reliable.

[cookiewench]

Amber Frey is not credible, imo.



The tapes with her, containing Scott's own words - are.

[accordn2me]

Steven Howard Gebler

...from the minute he opens his mouth, until the minute he shuts it.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Trial/Trial/Guilt/Dwitnesses/Gebler.htm

[Beebee]

Speaking of her credibility, I have heard that Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler, claimed or implied that Frey was a hooker or escort or words to that effect. I'm still wondering if Gloria Allred will sue him over this - so far I haven't heard that she has tried to. Considering that she shepherds Frey and Bird at all of their interviews, I find that surprising. Did he ever say it? Will he be sued?

Amber dropped the law suit about her porno pics. I'm not sure if that Schmitty guy still has them or not.

[enlightenme]

Steven Howard Gebler

...from the minute he opens his mouth, until the minute he shuts it.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Trial/Trial/Guilt/Dwitnesses/Gebler.htm


I have to agree with you there! You can serve up BS on a silver platter (which is what MG put the chunk on concrete on) but it still doesn't make it anything but BS.

JMHO

[Spencer]

GERAGOS: So she gets a phone call from someone. Do you know if it was from a Richard Byrd?

SIBLEY: I don't know who she received the phone call from.

GERAGOS: Do you know who Richard birth is? (typo I assume)

SIBLEY: No.

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GERAGOS: Now, when was the first time that detective Byrd

FREY: I don't recall the exact date. It was within, it was December 20th, in that timeframe. So it could have been the 21st is when we discussed.

GERAGOS: Did he tell you what he was going to do in order to, when you say in that timeframe we got this call lasts almost an hour. Three minutes shy of an hour on the 21st. Is that your best recollection, that's the day that you had, he had expressed some concerns to you?

FREY: Yes.

GERAGOS: Does he know Shawn Sibley?

FREY: They have met.

GERAGOS: Okay. Do they talk?

FREY: No.

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Distaso: Now, when you got home, was Sharon home, on the 24th?
Grantski: Yes.

Geragos: And Sharon was home?
Grantski: I can't remember. It might have been, you know, later. I have to admit I don't worry about times as much as everybody else, because, but that's just the way I am.

Shawn says she doesn't know Byrd but Amber indicates she does. Ron on direct was emphatic that Sharon was home but on cross, stumbles for clarity and says he can't remember.

[accordn2me]

GERAGOS: So she gets a phone call from someone. Do you know if it was from a Richard Byrd?

SIBLEY: I don't know who she received the phone call from.

GERAGOS: Do you know who Richard birth is? (typo I assume)

SIBLEY: No.

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GERAGOS: Now, when was the first time that detective Byrd

FREY: I don't recall the exact date. It was within, it was December 20th, in that timeframe. So it could have been the 21st is when we discussed.

GERAGOS: Did he tell you what he was going to do in order to, when you say in that timeframe we got this call lasts almost an hour. Three minutes shy of an hour on the 21st. Is that your best recollection, that's the day that you had, he had expressed some concerns to you?

FREY: Yes.

GERAGOS: Does he know Shawn Sibley?

FREY: They have met.

GERAGOS: Okay. Do they talk?

FREY: No.

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Distaso: Now, when you got home, was Sharon home, on the 24th?
Grantski: Yes.

Geragos: And Sharon was home?
Grantski: I can't remember. It might have been, you know, later. I have to admit I don't worry about times as much as everybody else, because, but that's just the way I am.

Shawn says she doesn't know Byrd but Amber indicates she does. Ron on direct was emphatic that Sharon was home but on cross, stumbles for clarity and says he can't remember.
Geragos is the common denominator in all of your examples. I agree...his credibility is questionable. If you were trying to imply Shawn's, Amber's & Ron's credibility is questionable, I don't see it in what you posted.

Amber said Byrd had met Shawn. Met and know are completely different. Shawn didn't recall who Byrd was when Greragos asked. Why would she have a reason to be dishonest about knowing who he is?

MG was trying to get Grantski to recall the specific time when he & Sharon got home on the 24th. He said he couldn't recall the time. Nothing strange or sinister about that. I can't recall the specific time I got home last night, much less what happened 2 years ago!

[thinkaboutit]

Steven Howard Gebler

...from the minute he opens his mouth, until the minute he shuts it.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Trial/Trial/Guilt/Dwitnesses/Gebler.htm


Just out of curiosity - are there any specifics in the testimony that make you feel this way?

[thinkaboutit]

GERAGOS: So she gets a phone call from someone. Do you know if it was from a Richard Byrd?

SIBLEY: I don't know who she received the phone call from.

GERAGOS: Do you know who Richard birth is? (typo I assume)

SIBLEY: No.

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GERAGOS: Now, when was the first time that detective Byrd

FREY: I don't recall the exact date. It was within, it was December 20th, in that timeframe. So it could have been the 21st is when we discussed.

GERAGOS: Did he tell you what he was going to do in order to, when you say in that timeframe we got this call lasts almost an hour. Three minutes shy of an hour on the 21st. Is that your best recollection, that's the day that you had, he had expressed some concerns to you?

FREY: Yes.

GERAGOS: Does he know Shawn Sibley?

FREY: They have met.

GERAGOS: Okay. Do they talk?

FREY: No.

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Distaso: Now, when you got home, was Sharon home, on the 24th?
Grantski: Yes.

Geragos: And Sharon was home?
Grantski: I can't remember. It might have been, you know, later. I have to admit I don't worry about times as much as everybody else, because, but that's just the way I am.

Shawn says she doesn't know Byrd but Amber indicates she does. Ron on direct was emphatic that Sharon was home but on cross, stumbles for clarity and says he can't remember.

To add to your post Spencer - Amber writes in her book that the night she found out Scott Peterson was married to the missing Laci Peterson - she was at Shawn Sibley's house - and Byrd came over. I don't have the book with me - but as soon as I get home - I will quote from the book.

[accordn2me]

Just out of curiosity - are there any specifics in the testimony that make you feel this way?Pretty much the whole testimony. Here's a sample:

HARRIS: So when you did your examination with Mr. Vollmer, only one item was examined to determine what the microscopic chemical properties of this cement paste were; isn't that a fact?
GEBLER: That is correct.
HARRIS: So when you talk about these samples being exactly the same as Mr. O'Neill's, that is not true, because you don't know, as you sit there at this point in time; isn't that a fact?
GEBLER: That is not true.
HARRIS: You just told us you only did a test of the properties of one sample, right?
GEBLER: Yes.
HARRIS: Did you test any of Mr. O'Neill's samples?
GEBLER: I accepted Mr. O'Neill's analysis that he was correct, in that there was fly ash in this particular sample.
HARRIS: Okay. So you accepted him because he is a petrographer. He did this microscopic examination of every single sample, right? That's what you saw in his report?
GEBLER: Yes.
HARRIS: And so you accept that, because he's experienced, he's qualified, and he did the test, right?
GEBLER: I didn't have any reason to dispute what he said from the standpoint of a fly ash.
HARRIS: And the samples that you have there in that box, 1 through 17, only tested one for the chemical properties?
GEBLER: For only fly ash.
HARRIS: Well, isn't what Mr. O'Neill was saying is fly ash was present in his samples?
GEBLER: Fly ash present in his sample. And fly ash present in the Sample 11 of Item Number 4.
HARRIS: We don't know if there was fly ash present in your Sample 1, do we?
GEBLER: I'm pretty sure there is.
HARRIS: You don't know that there is in Item 2, do you?
GEBLER: I can certainly take them back, do the exact same thing just like Mr. O'Neill did. It's not that difficult to do. If you want to spend the money, we can certainly do it. From.
HARRIS: Where is your lab at?
GEBLER: In Skokie, Illinois.

[Spencer]

To add to your post Spencer - Amber writes in her book that the night she found out Scott Peterson was married to the missing Laci Peterson - she was at Shawn Sibley's house - and Byrd came over. I don't have the book with me - but as soon as I get home - I will quote from the book.

I think you're right! I thought this thread was a great place to document the differences in testimony regardless of the inference of what those differences might mean to the reader. Then comparing what was said in testimony to what was written in the books would only add to the whole picture.

Amber's book, page 50:" The next thing I knew, Richard showed up at the Benson's. He brought a couple of newspaper articles and I had a look, and one of the first things I saw was a photograph of Scott's truck. The article described Scott as a fertilizer salesman, and even mentioned that he was a member of the Rotary Club. Now there could be no doubt. "I can't believe this is happening to me," I said.

I looked over at Shawn............

[Toggie]

Brocchini admitted in a TV interview after the trial that he knew about Frey before he ever went to Scott's house. How? From another MPD officer? Who was asked by Frey's 'friend' in the local police force? Who told her Scott was married?

So I don't believe Frey either. She lied about her baby's daddy to get money. What else has she lied about?

I always felt that Amber knew exactly who Scott Peterson was and where he resided from the time they met....

Geragos should have put Byrd & Perez (Byrd's roommate w/the DOJ) on the stand to explain exactly when and how they found out information for Amber.

It's too bad the search warrants were sealed. I'm guessing they'll stay that way...Geragos didn't seem to mind...I guess there must be more stuff in them that hurt Scott more than help him.

[accordn2me]

HARRIS: I'll do my best. Going back through this, you mentioned something about being a member of ASTM?
GEBLER: Yes.
HARRIS: What is that?
GEBLER: American Society of Testing and Materials.
HARRIS: And ASTM C295, what is that?
GEBLER: That is the 295. That is a standard for petrographic examination of aggregates.
HARRIS: Now, in this particular case, you are not authorized, pursuant to that particular standard, to do a petrographic examination, are you?
GEBLER: I don't follow your question.
HARRIS: Well, are you a petrographer?
GEBLER: No. But I teach petrographers.
HARRIS: In this particular case did you do the petrographic examination?
GEBLER: No, I didn't. Dave Vollmer at our laboratory did.
HARRIS: What is the requirement under the ASTM standard to do petrographic examinations?
GEBLER: First of all, it's not right one. It's ASTM C 856 is the proper one. 295 is not the one that would be appropriate in this particular test.
HARRIS: Okay. Let's go, what is C 295?
GEBLER: I'm sorry?
HARRIS: What is C 295?
GEBLER: C 295 is for petrographic examination of rock and sand, coarse and fine aggregate, not for concrete. But they are ultimately used in concrete.
HARRIS: The components of concrete as you have been describing for us, and tell us, that is it reason why you know how this happened is because you were looking at the differences in the aggregate; isn't that the a fair statement?
GEBLER: Yes, I saw them. I inspected them and viewed them.
HARRIS: Pursuant to the standards of the society that you are a member of, you don't meet the requirements to make that petrographic examination, do you?
GEBLER: Like I said, my petrographer, Dave Vollmer, is a petrographer. He did the work under my direction.

[enlightenme]

Brocchini admitted in a TV interview after the trial that he knew about Frey before he ever went to Scott's house. How? From another MPD officer? Who was asked by Frey's 'friend' in the local police force? Who told her Scott was married?

So I don't believe Frey either. She lied about her baby's daddy to get money. What else has she lied about?

Well, you know, everybody lies.
Why can't you cut her the same 20 lie slack that you cut Scott?

[thinkaboutit]

I think you're right! I thought this thread was a great place to document the differences in testimony regardless of the inference of what those differences might mean to the reader. Then comparing what was said in testimony to what was written in the books would only add to the whole picture.

Amber's book, page 50:" The next thing I knew, Richard showed up at the Benson's. He brought a couple of newspaper articles and I had a look, and one of the first things I saw was a photograph of Scott's truck. The article described Scott as a fertilizer salesman, and even mentioned that he was a member of the Rotary Club. Now there could be no doubt. "I can't believe this is happening to me," I said.

I looked over at Shawn............

Yep that's it!! Thanks Spencer!

[One2Snoop]

Insulting Jackie Peterson adds nothing to the case. Sharon and Ron aren't exactly models of propriety either.

How about we not insult either one of them? Thank you.

[accordn2me]

Yep that's it!! Thanks Spencer!Hmmmm...are you going to make a list like on the Common Ground thread?

[Spencer]

Well now, this is certainly earth-shattering information. Totally proves ISP was set up. :no: Yeesh.......

No, not earth shattering, however the idea of the thread was to post items that one might consider when weighing the credibility of witnesses. There are certainly bigger items contained in all of the testimony but due to lack of time, I posted the above.

If this thread succeeds, it would be kind of like putting together pieces of a puzzle..........sort of like what the jury said they did........

[One2Snoop]

You are wrong. Several people saw it on the Court TV site. I tried to download it but couldn't get it to work on my old computer however I have no doubt that he said it. The others from the MPD tried to shut him up but it was a bit too late. :lol:

You mean there's no transcript of this conversation anywhere? Not even on the SII site? :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

I believe it was discussed on fartpack at some length. Try over there.


I'm sorry but my question was sincere. I'm not sure why it was answered with such disrespect. :confused: I'm not familiar with "fart"pack. Would you care to elaborate? :shrug: TAI

[thinkaboutit]

Hmmmm...are you going to make a list like on the Common Ground thread?

Did you want me to?

[accordn2me]

Did you want me to?well...LOL...it might be interesting, imo,...i was thinking about it when i came up with the question that i posted in the 'ineffective counsel' thread about who was the strongest witness for the defense. i'm curious to know if there were any...in anyone's opinion.
don't go to any trouble just for me...:hat:

[One2Snoop]

well...LOL...it might be interesting, imo,...i was thinking about it when i came up with the question that i posted in the 'ineffective counsel' thread about who was the strongest witness for the defense. i'm curious to know if there were any...in anyone's opinion.
don't go to any trouble just for me...:hat:


Bump....


"i was thinking about it when i came up with the question that i posted in the 'ineffective counsel' thread about who was the strongest witness for the defense. i'm curious to know if there were any..."

Good question - I'm curious as well??

[SPANKS]

Jackie Peterson lied on the stand big time. She didn't do her son any favors. Why did she have to lie? Is it because she knew from day one that Scott murdered Laci and Conner and didn't care? That is my belief and she still acts that way to this day.

[thinkaboutit]

I assume you are referring to Jackie's testimony regarding the cash given to Scott.....Jackie Peterson did not lie on the stand. Everything she said was supported by bank statements that were introduced as evidence.

[accordn2me]

Karen Servas (no supporting testimony provided - NST)

Harvey Kemple

Detective Brocchini - NST
Detective Hendee - NST
Eloise Anderson, a dog handler - NST

Amber Frey

Steven Howard Gebler - defense, concrete expert

Shawn Sibley

Ron Grantski

Jackie Peterson - NST

Dr. March - (request for stipulation b/c it would take too much space to post all of his testimony)

[accordn2me]

I do not agree with this. Jackie Peterson lied many times on and off the stand. I have never seen the bank statements that supported her whole screwy story about the cash. She can present withdrawl statements but that doesn't necessarily support her balony.
Hi Lavindar:seeya:

The FL that started this thread wants us to provide testimony to support our claims of witnesses whose credibility is questionable. I feel there are some witnesses that you'd have to post their entire testimony almost and it would take too much space....;) However, if you have time....would you please post a snip of the testimony that you feel Jackie was dishonest about. I haven't read her testimony yet so I'm very interested to see what the buzz is all about. TIA

[thinkaboutit]

Karen Servas (no supporting testimony provided - NST)

Harvey Kemple

Detective Brocchini - NST
Detective Hendee - NST
Eloise Anderson, a dog handler - NST

Amber Frey

Steven Howard Gebler - defense, concrete expert

Shawn Sibley

Ron Grantski

Jackie Peterson - NST

Dr. March - (request for stipulation b/c it would take too much space to post all of his testimony)

Thanks for the list A2M!!!

[One2Snoop]

Amber really didn't have a choice, but to drop the charges. IMO, the pictures became the camera guys once Amber refused to pick them up on more than one occasion.

I also feel she planned this in advance. She refused them because she wanted him to put them in a paper. Amber is out for money and more money.

Amber is very greedy when it comes to sharing anything, including her kids with their father at the time.

Do you have links to back up those accusations? :confused: or is that your opinion? And do you know her personally to know those things firsthand about her? :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

They are my opinion of course.

I don't knowher personally, but her not picking the pictures up makes a person wonder.

Why did she never get the nude photos for? If she wanted tosee how she looked, she could have stood in front ofamirroror took them herself.

Why does a person go to a restaurant and order food? They want to eat or they are getting it for someone else.

Why does it make you wonder? and at this point in time what does it matter? :confused:
I don't understand your correlation between Food vs nude photo's? :shrug:

I'm confused Sassie - maybe its time for me to say goodnight. :seeya:

[Lavindar]

Amber really didn't have a choice, but to drop the charges. IMO, the pictures became the camera guys once Amber refused to pick them up on more than one occasion.

I also feel she planned this in advance. She refused them because she wanted him to put them in a paper. Amber is out for money and more money.

Amber is very greedy when it comes to sharing anything, including her kids with their father at the time.

do you have a source for any of this information. The "father" at the time claimed to be making over $150,000 a year yet was paying a whole $75 a month in support. What's wrong with that picture - given what he CLAIMS as his salary on his Myspace page, he should be paying about 50 times what he is paying.

[Otter]

Amber really didn't have a choice, but to drop the charges. IMO, the pictures became the camera guys once Amber refused to pick them up on more than one occasion.

I also feel she planned this in advance. She refused them because she wanted him to put them in a paper. Amber is out for money and more money.

Amber is very greedy when it comes to sharing anything, including her kids with their father at the time.


I don't understand what you mean that she "planned this in advance." Do you mean that she planned to somehow get involved in a high profile murder case sometime in the future and then these photos would come to light? :confused:

[TopGunner]

I don't understand what you mean that she "planned this in advance." Do you mean that she planned to somehow get involved in a high profile murder case sometime in the future and then these photos would come to light? :confused:



Of course she did Otter, EVERYBODY knows Amber's psychic. Do I have to teach you everything.................? :tongue:

[cookiewench]

Harvey Kemple testified that someone with the last name of Tobin and someone named Stephanie -were friends of his that worked at the Del Rio Country Club and they told him that Scott had been golfing there. When Grogan went to check it out - there was no one named Stephanie that worked there and Mr. Tobin said he was not aware of Scott having golfed there.



Also for six months Kemple never called the police to tell them that Scott told him he was golfing on the 24th. Not once. He testified he told all of his friends and family - but never called the police to tell them that. He did not tell them anything about it until they contacted him regarding the burnt chicken incident.

Do you think this means that Scott didn't go golfing during that time? We know that he at least went to work out at "the club" because we have a tape of him talking to his parents about it.

But wait! There's more!

While everyone else - many of us total strangers on the other side of the country - were waiting anxiously to find out if those bodies that were found were Laci & Conner's - Scott went golfing!

I believe totally that Scott went golfing at every chance that he could.

[Lavindar]

I don't know anything about the child support he was paying. Therefore, I can't provide a link for you. IMO, I do feel one penny was too much for him to be paying anything to Amber for child support. He was not the father, but then again he should have known this and had paternity test done.


You are saying that Ayianna should have to starve because the scum believed he was the father and wouldn't pay? He did NOTHING to prove he was not the father - EVER. He NEVER took a paternity test

[adnoid]

Was I talking about Scott's case?
Well then, I wasn't talking about that.

T.G. I guess this covers what otter asked for you too.
Of course I wasn't.

Well, I'm glad we got that all straightened out.

[cookiewench]

I don't know anything about the child support he was paying. Therefore, I can't provide a link for you. IMO, I do feel one penny was too much for him to be paying anything to Amber for child support. He was not the father, but then again he should have known this and had paternity test done.

Well, then - you should be happy, because that's exactly one penny more that what he was voluntarily paying: nothing.

[Otter]

Well, I'm glad we got that all straightened out.

Whew, me too! :seeya:

The Sarcasm Society, like we need your support.

[TopGunner]

Well, I'm glad we got that all straightened out.


We did? :confused: :eek:

[Otter]

Was I talking about Scott's case?
Well then, I wasn't talking about that.

T.G. I guess this covers what otter asked for you too.
Of course I wasn't.

Ummm, TG didn't answer for you Sassie, and I didn't ask TG to verify one thing. That I asked of you. :)

I don't know anything about the child support he was paying. Therefore, I can't provide a link for you. IMO, I do feel one penny was too much for him to be paying anything to Amber for child support. He was not the father, but then again he should have known this and had paternity test done.


Then why do you make these allegations? :confused: You seem to have a propensity for that -- not following the rules of CL. :no:

[Otter]

Was I talking about Scott's case?
Well then, I wasn't talking about that.

T.G. I guess this covers what otter asked for you too.
Of course I wasn't.

Deja vu? :confused:

[TopGunner]

Deja vu? :confused:

Say what? :eek:

[Otter]

Say what? :eek:


Its French, or a Yogi Berra term. Something about been there, done that and I thought the post looked familiar. I'm sure I'm not mistaken. :D

Tick tock, tick tock, waiting for links to facts put forth by the poster.

[TopGunner]

Its French, or a Yogi Berra term. Something about been there, done that and I thought the post looked familiar. I'm sure I'm not mistaken. :D

Tick tock, tick tock, waiting for links to facts put forth by the poster.



No, no, silly YOU. I knew what YOU meant..........it was the post before that that left me cross-eyed.

[Lavindar]

No, no, silly YOU. I knew what YOU meant..........it was the post before that that left me cross-eyed. Am I reading this right? Amber planned to set Scott up in advance? For greed?

[Lavindar]

Perhaps he didn't want to deny a child that he just might have been the father. Amber was getting food stamps. She had money to buy her daughter food. Besides which he was paying paying child Link to Amber getting food stamps, please

And, if he was paying support, why was his driver's license revoked for non-payment of same

[adnoid]

We did? :confused: :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/46823.jpg

[adnoid]

Deja vu? :confused:

"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum"

--Ibid.

[I'mSun]

I do not feel you are right in assuming what I am thinking.Trust me, we couldn't do that.

[cookiewench]

I do not have a link. It is in Catherine Crier's book. I would assume she got her information from a reliable source.

If I am not mistaken, Amber also mentioned her having to live off welfare.

No, that's not in Catherine Crier's book.

[Lavindar]

I do not have a link. It is in Catherine Crier's book. I would assume she got her information from a reliable source.

If I am not mistaken, Amber also mentioned her having to live off welfare.


Could you give me the page so that I don't have to read the book to find it? TIA

[Lavindar]

I do not have a link. It is in Catherine Crier's book. I would assume she got her information from a reliable source.

If I am not mistaken, Amber also mentioned her having to live off welfare.

In her testimony? I will go read and post it if it is there.

[adnoid]

In her testimony? I will go read and post it if it is there.

Having followed this case since a couple days after Laci was reported "missing", I can say that I have never heard Amber was on welfare. I doubt the OP will back up that statement, as it would be out of character.

If, indeed, Amber WAS on welfare, what would that change anyway?

[Lavindar]

In her testimony? I will go read and post it if it is there.
There is nothing in her testimony about living off welfare. So, what is your source? Do you have a source?

Everything in Amber's testimony only deals with her relationship with Scott.

[cookiewench]

Sure did get quiet around here....

Let's talk about Jackie's lies & scheming. Now there's a witness with NO credibility at all.

[Otter]

There is nothing in her testimony about living off welfare. So, what is your source? Do you have a source?

Everything in Amber's testimony only deals with her relationship with Scott.

I went through every reference to Amber in Crier's book and found nothing either. Didn't she mention she read it there?

I'm not sure why we're trying to source another poster's statements, but it shows how helpful we are! :D

[Otter]

Sure did get quiet around here....

Let's talk about Jackie's lies & scheming. Now there's a witness with NO credibility at all.

Looking through CC's book this morning, came upon this: Totally forget about it.

"Detective Brocchini would later place a pretext phone call to the family's private tip line. Using details from one of the actual police tips received on January 5, he identified himself as Henry Lopez, and claimed he was a truck driver who had seen Scott's truck on Highway 580 at around 3:30 p.m. on Christmas Eve. He observed a bundle in the back of the boat in a blue blanket and thought it might have been a Christmas present.

Acting as Lopez, Brocchini stated that he would speak to police and left the Department's "cold line" as his contact number. The detective also asked an agent from the DOJ to place another call to the tip line, leaving the first name "Denise" and a phone number to see if the tip was forwarded.

Jackie Peterson did follow up on the agent's call. In a voice mail message, she requested that the woman call back to identify herself and provide more information. Brocchini's tip, however, received no return call. Later, Jackie would agree to fax Grogan any leads she received on the 1-866-LACI-INFO line, but she didn't get around to this for another ten days.

When Grogan finally received Jackie's "tips" on February 28, the information was not in any order. Of the thirty pages, ten were duplicates of a single page. The tips began on February 17 and ended on February 20. One tip that apparently came in on February 18 between 2:38 and 3:26 p.m. was missing. The pretext message from Al Brocchini was not among them, nor was the tip from the agent at the Department of Justice.

Stacey Boyers, the manager of the Laci Peterson Fund, later received two invoices from Jackie Peterson for the "1-866-LACI-INFO" tip line. Sharon Rocha denied payment, stating that the expenditure had not been approved. In addition, she said, there appeared to be no legitimate purpose for the line."

A Deadly Game, Catherine Crier - pp. 315-316

[Lavindar]

Looking through CC's book this morning, came upon this: Totally forget about it.

"Detective Brocchini would later place a pretext phone call to the family's private tip line. Using details from one of the actual police tips received on January 5, he identified himself as Henry Lopez, and claimed he was a truck driver who had seen Scott's truck on Highway 580 at around 3:30 p.m. on Christmas Eve. He observed a bundle in the back of the boat in a blue blanket and thought it might have been a Christmas present.

Acting as Lopez, Brocchini stated that he would speak to police and left the Department's "cold line" as his contact number. The detective also asked an agent from the DOJ to place another call to the tip line, leaving the first name "Denise" and a phone number to see if the tip was forwarded.

Jackie Peterson did follow up on the agent's call. In a voice mail message, she requested that the woman call back to identify herself and provide more information. Brocchini's tip, however, received no return call. Later, Jackie would agree to fax Grogan any leads she received on the 1-866-LACI-INFO line, but she didn't get around to this for another ten days.

When Grogan finally received Jackie's "tips" on February 28, the information was not in any order. Of the thirty pages, ten were duplicates of a single page. The tips began on February 17 and ended on February 20. One tip that apparently came in on February 18 between 2:38 and 3:26 p.m. was missing. The pretext message from Al Brocchini was not among them, nor was the tip from the agent at the Department of Justice.

Stacey Boyers, the manager of the Laci Peterson Fund, later received two invoices from Jackie Peterson for the "1-866-LACI-INFO" tip line. Sharon Rocha denied payment, stating that the expenditure had not been approved. In addition, she said, there appeared to be no legitimate purpose for the line."

A Deadly Game, Catherine Crier - pp. 315-316


good reading.

[Lavindar]

Having followed this case since a couple days after Laci was reported "missing", I can say that I have never heard Amber was on welfare. I doubt the OP will back up that statement, as it would be out of character.

If, indeed, Amber WAS on welfare, what would that change anyway? It would serve to attack Amber, which is the only purpose I can come up with.

[adnoid]

It would serve to attack Amber, which is the only purpose I can come up with.

Yeah, that's about what I figured as well.

Red boots. What a load of Geragos.

[Lavindar]

I didn't imply Amber being on welfare would change anything. You all need to remember your own post. I don't have time to remind you.

It was said Amber's daughter should not have to starve. I said Amber was on welfare. Meaning - she could feed her daughter. Besides, Lav said, he was paying $75.00 a week.

You said:

"I don't know anything about the child support he was paying. Therefore, I can't provide a link for you. IMO, I do feel one penny was too much for him to be paying anything to Amber for child support. He was not the father, but then again he should have known this and had paternity test done." One PENNY was too much implies that he should have not paid her anything - thereby allowing the child to suffer. And I did not say he was paying $75 a week - your reading comprehension needs some work, not to mention your source reporting IMO

still waiting for a source that Amber was on welfare.

[Lavindar]

T.G. If you are not understanding my post, I will be more than happy to explain.

Otter asked me if I thought Amber planned out the murder of Laci and knew she would have her pictures displayed.

You responded by saying that I do think this. I did not think this!

I do not feel you are right in assuming what I am thinking.

Yet you think no one should have paid amber any support because she was getting food stamps. I say you are the one assuming here - particularly since you provide no links other than to say it's in Crier's book which IT IS NOT,

What are you trying to hide - that you are making up things? Because you are not providing ANY sources for anything.

[Otter]

IMO, this was very childish of Brocchini and people want to put down Scott.
I can see why Laci was not found with in the first weeks of her disappearance.

Jackie was a very busy person and she was not the only one to send the reports to the police. Besides which, I am sure they would have been ignored.

That's the thing, don't you see that? She only sent in these "tips" after she was prodded to do so and then she waited 10 days along with messing that up. The MPD had a tip line, I don't offhand recall how tips they received, but it was thousands. Why would JP even think setting up a separate line was useful?

What was she so busy with besides Laci? Wasn't the tip line to help find Laci? What did she plan on doing with these tips if she had to be asked be hand them over to the police? Was she going to investigate them herself? Why weren't the pretext tips handed over?

Childish? LOL, shows IMO, that she was protecting her son from a murder rap.

[Lavindar]

That's the thing, don't you see that? She only sent in these "tips" after she was prodded to do so and then she waited 10 days along with messing that up. The MPD had a tip line, I don't offhand recall how tips they received, but it was thousands. Why would JP even think setting up a separate line was useful?

What was she so busy with besides Laci? Wasn't the tip line to help find Laci? What did she plan on doing with these tips if she had to be asked be hand them over to the police? Was she going to investigate them herself? Why weren't the pretext tips handed over?

Childish? LOL, shows IMO, that she was protecting her son from a murder rap.


Didn't she and Lee have to "get away" for a while? She was also busy getting pedicures so that "Laci would be proud of her" How sick is that?

[TopGunner]

That's the thing, don't you see that? She only sent in these "tips" after she was prodded to do so and then she waited 10 days along with messing that up. The MPD had a tip line, I don't offhand recall how tips they received, but it was thousands. Why would JP even think setting up a separate line was useful?

What was she so busy with besides Laci? Wasn't the tip line to help find Laci? What did she plan on doing with these tips if she had to be asked be hand them over to the police? Was she going to investigate them herself? Why weren't the pretext tips handed over?

Childish? LOL, shows IMO, that she was protecting her son from a murder rap.


And let us not forget that the P's tip line (to help the LE do their job properly, LOL), produced NADA. Not a single little teeny tiny lead to exonerate their boy. Hmmm..........

[TopGunner]

T.G. If you are not understanding my post, I will be more than happy to explain.

Otter asked me if I thought Amber planned out the murder of Laci and knew she would have her pictures displayed.

You responded by saying that I do think this. I did not think this!

I do not feel you are right in assuming what I am thinking.


Sassie, I swear on my Gerbils grave, I have never, EVER, even remotely contemplated the workings of your mind. I am not that talented. You misunderstood.

[Otter]

And let us not forget that the P's tip line (to help the LE do their job properly, LOL), produced NADA. Not a single little teeny tiny lead to exonerate their boy. Hmmm..........

I'll add that to my list of coincidences concerning the P family. :)

I'm sorry for your gerbil TG. :rose:

[accordn2me]

I'll add that to my list of coincidences concerning the P family. :)

I'm sorry for your gerbil TG. :rose:You crack me up, Otter! The gerbil can't be dead yet! You can't swear on something that's already dead. If TG is lying and she really does remotely contemplate the workings of Sassie's mind...........then her gerbil is going to die.

Ain't that right, TG? :lol:

[TopGunner]

You crack me up, Otter! The gerbil can't be dead yet! You can't swear on something that's already dead. If TG is lying and she really does remotely contemplate the workings of Sassie's mind...........then her gerbil is going to die.

Ain't that right, TG? :lol:


LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
:rose:

WELCOME BACK!!!

You have been so missed! :seeya:

[Lavindar]

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
:rose:

WELCOME BACK!!!

You have been so missed! :seeya:
I second that.

[accordn2me]

I LOVE Y'all too!

The gerbil's goin' strong ain't he? :biggrin:

[Miss Bootsie]

You crack me up, Otter! The gerbil can't be dead yet! You can't swear on something that's already dead. If TG is lying and she really does remotely contemplate the workings of Sassie's mind...........then her gerbil is going to die.

Ain't that right, TG? :lol:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/3232mypic/lolVeryGood.gif It's about time.

Welcome back acc.

Sure did miss you.

[thinkaboutit]

Having followed this case since a couple days after Laci was reported "missing", I can say that I have never heard Amber was on welfare. I doubt the OP will back up that statement, as it would be out of character.

If, indeed, Amber WAS on welfare, what would that change anyway?

I have no knowledge of Amber being on welfare.

[deputydi]

I have no knowledge of Amber being on welfare.
That was one of Sassie's claims. No one else heard of it either but she claimed to have read it in CCs book. She also posted something about Amber getting food stamps -- but had nothing that would back up either of these two claims.

[TopGunner]

That was one of Sassie's claims. No one else heard of it either but she claimed to have read it in CCs book. She also posted something about Amber getting food stamps -- but had nothing that would back up either of these two claims.



I have no recall of Amber being on any kind of welfare. In fact, I thought she kept saying over and over again how she had come so far, did it all by herself, nobody helped her and of course HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?! LOL...

[deputydi]

I have no recall of Amber being on any kind of welfare. In fact, I thought she kept saying over and over again how she had come so far, did it all by herself, nobody helped her and of course HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?! LOL...
That's exactly what I remember also.

[Mysteri]

Lee Peterson's testimony didn't match up with what he had said in his statement.

Please see September 9th for details.

http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/when/when0409.htm

What is truly unbelievable is that Scott didn't mention the boat or fishing to Lee when Scott was driving near Livermore on his way to Altamont Pass on 580 when he spoke with his dad that afternoon after his 'sturgeon fishing expedition.' Cell phone records show that. Also they show that Scott and his parents spoke two times that day and Lee says he doesn't recall another conversation.

Lee says he didn't know Scott was a member of Del Rio and yet he says he paid for the membership which was between 25 and 30 thousand dollars.

Later Jackie and Lee try to persuade Barbara Walters that Scott didn't even tell them that Laci was gone missing until Christmas.

The explanations for why Scott had his brother's driving license and bought a car in Jackie's name didn't fool anyone and it was testified that Scott said the police were after him even though he tried to convince the police that he thought they were the media. The Petersons couldn't get their stories straight and the discrepancies were jarring.

imo

[Mysteri]

I have no knowledge of Amber being on welfare.

I don't know why it's an issue but if she tried and failed to get child support she probably did get money for her child from the county. Lots of low income single parents do.

Wasn't she staying with a family for a while and moved because of a problem between her and the man's wife ?


imo

[accordn2me]

I don't know why it's an issue <snipped>

imoI don't know why it's an issue either. I've been on welfare before. I wasn't being dishonest or trying to defraud the system. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I qualified for welfare and collected it. In my case, the system worked. It allowed me to stay off the streets without relying on illegal activities and legitimately get on my feet. Since then, I'll bet I've paid way more taxes than I've ever collected in benefits from the government.

[TopGunner]

I don't know why it's an issue either. I've been on welfare before. I wasn't being dishonest or trying to defraud the system. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I qualified for welfare and collected it. In my case, the system worked. It allowed me to stay off the streets without relying on illegal activities and legitimately get on my feet. Since then, I'll bet I've paid way more taxes than I've ever collected in benefits from the government.


Hey A2M! :D

I don't think anyone feels it's an issue (unless I missed something further back here). It's the tough times that make us who we are. Amber has been raked over the coals throughout this situation. I see her as a hero. Young, naive, and really BLIND when it comes to men...but she believed ISP (I'm hoping the rest of us are wise enough to see through someone like him), and when she did learn who he really was, she did the right and courageous thing. I'll also add that the book and it's immediate release after the trial was distasteful, I always felt Allread was the mastermind behind it. I don't think Amber would have even thought about it otherwise.

[adnoid]

I don't know why it's an issue either...

It's a way for small minded people to bash Amber. The thing is, it only has an effect on other small minded people. I just ignore it.

[Lavindar]

I don't know why it's an issue but if she tried and failed to get child support she probably did get money for her child from the county. Lots of low income single parents do.

Wasn't she staying with a family for a while and moved because of a problem between her and the man's wife ?


imo
I don't believe so

[accordn2me]

It's a way for small minded people to bash Amber. The thing is, it only has an effect on other small minded people. I just ignore it. My mother's murderer and his family did the same low-life thing - attack the victim, my dead mother, and us, her family, to try and excuse what he did to her. It really sets me off when I see anyone insinuate that SLP's actions should be excused because of anything Laci and her family ever said and/or did.........or that Amber, an innocent victim of a liar, was at fault that she was lied to and used. It's such an inexcusable and idiotic thing to do - try and blame the victims for the perp's crimes. :flamemad:

Whether or not Amber was ever on welfare, or previously had an affair, or didn't, has absolutely no bearing on what SLP did to her.

[Mysteri]

I don't know why it's an issue either. I've been on welfare before. I wasn't being dishonest or trying to defraud the system. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I qualified for welfare and collected it. In my case, the system worked. It allowed me to stay off the streets without relying on illegal activities and legitimately get on my feet. Since then, I'll bet I've paid way more taxes than I've ever collected in benefits from the government.

Hats off to you and witnesses like Amber.

[adnoid]

My mother's murderer and his family did the same low-life thing - attack the victim, my dead mother, and us, her family, to try and excuse what he did to her. It really sets me off when I see anyone insinuate that SLP's actions should be excused because of anything Laci and her family ever said and/or did.........or that Amber, an innocent victim of a liar, was at fault that she was lied to and used. It's such an inexcusable and idiotic thing to do - try and blame the victims for the perp's crimes. :flamemad:

Whether or not Amber was ever on welfare, or previously had an affair, or didn't, has absolutely no bearing on what SLP did to her.

It is disgusting. Along with the attempts to pin it on Ron, Amy, Sharon, Dennis, Brent or any of the family friends or other relatives.

It's this bizarre "support of the underdog" thing IMO.

[TopGunner]

My mother's murderer and his family did the same low-life thing - attack the victim, my dead mother, and us, her family, to try and excuse what he did to her. It really sets me off when I see anyone insinuate that SLP's actions should be excused because of anything Laci and her family ever said and/or did.........or that Amber, an innocent victim of a liar, was at fault that she was lied to and used. It's such an inexcusable and idiotic thing to do - try and blame the victims for the perp's crimes. :flamemad:

Whether or not Amber was ever on welfare, or previously had an affair, or didn't, has absolutely no bearing on what SLP did to her.


A2M :rose: to you.

This is exactly and I mean EXACTLY what I feel is unforgivable.

I personally can understand defending their son. I can understand shock, devastation, and indescribable pain. I can even understand the P's, in their desperation, lying for him.

I could never, and I will NEVER understand how they could attack Sharon over and over and over again. As if her loss wasn't severe and eternal enough.

They link arms with Satan as far as I'm concerned, and their dance is beyond evil.

[accordn2me]

Just Peachy and TG, thank you for the :rose: :rose: .

ITA with your post TG. I too can understand the Ps being desperate, lying to try and save SLP....the same things my mom's killer's family did....but to attack the victim or their family borders on being EVIL. It's deplorable in the worst meaning of the term.

[Mysteri]

I have no knowledge of Amber being on welfare.

Amber was certainly an essential witness and she was on a form of welfare called AFDC ( Aid to Families with Dependent Children .)

If you turn to pages 68 & 69 of her autobiograhy, Witness for the Prosecution of Scott Peterson you will find this passage- "Then I decided to go back to school , to become a message therapist, but I needed child care for Aiyana. I asked the AFDC for a little help. They came through for me and I started taking classes at Golden State, a business college with a generous financial aid program. "

imo

[Mysteri]

I don't believe so


Thank you but today I got her autobiography from the library and found that she did live with a couple for quite some time.

On page 7 of Witness for the Prosecution of Scott Peterson she writes-

"I said I'd be spending Christmas with some close friends, a married couple I'll call the Bensons, " They're like a second family to me, I said. "

She goes on to say on page 77 that after talking with Buehler about taping Scott she didn't want to stay in her own place any longer and she and Aiyana went back to the Benson's to stay. She said she and Shawn told them about the police interviews. ( Many people think that the Bensons are Shawn's aunt and uncle. )

On page 126 she tells of how Paul Benson came on to her while his wife Lauren was out of the house and she then decides to pack up and leave their house after a decade of friendship. When she tells Shawn about it, she is distressed and they were no longer friends.

During the time she and Aiyana are living with the Bensons she is making all the recordings with Scott to be used in her testimony. She is out of town a lot and Aiyana stays with her sisiter Ava.


imo

[Mysteri]

One of my favorite leads came from Eddie Gibson Owner of Fast Eddie's MOAB (Meal on a Bun), a restaurant at 1228 Tully Road; according to a March 15, 2004, Modesto Bee article, found Scott and Laci Peterson's video camera on January 19, 2003, a day after the reported break-in at their home, in a 50-gallon grease barrel in an alley behind his restaurant.

Some of the film was taken as Scott approached Fresno to visit Amber. It was suggested that Kim Mc Gregor ( a neighborhood witness ) had stolen it and stashed it there but the connection was never established.

imo

[Lavindar]

Amber was certainly an essential witness and she was on a form of welfare called AFDC ( Aid to Families with Dependent Children .)

If you turn to pages 68 & 69 of her autobiograhy, Witness for the Prosecution of Scott Peterson you will find this passage- "Then I decided to go back to school , to become a message therapist, but I needed child care for Aiyana. I asked the AFDC for a little help. They came through for me and I started taking classes at Golden State, a business college with a generous financial aid program. "

imo AFDC doesn't pay a lot of money. Woman I know with 3 kdis only gets $900 a month in AFDC and that's not even poverty level in CA

[Lavindar]

One of my favorite leads came from Eddie Gibson Owner of Fast Eddie's MOAB (Meal on a Bun), a restaurant at 1228 Tully Road; according to a March 15, 2004, Modesto Bee article, found Scott and Laci Peterson's video camera on January 19, 2003, a day after the reported break-in at their home, in a 50-gallon grease barrel in an alley behind his restaurant.

Some of the film was taken as Scott approached Fresno to visit Amber. It was suggested that Kim Mc Gregor ( a neighborhood witness ) had stolen it and stashed it there but the connection was never established.

imo I don't recall any film of Scott approaching Fresno. The only video I saw was of the local area where they wanted to extend Encino and Laci's voice was on it.

[One2Snoop]

IIRC the video consisted of a sunset filmed from a vehicle showing a sign of some sort, scenes of traffic in the La Loma neighborhood. It also showed the stirring of some chemicals in a glass container, Laci wearing her swimsuit and the recording picks up a comment made by Scott that he's going to send the video to Osama and make him jealous (?). Strange comment IMO.

Sorry thats all from memory ~ no link available. :tongue:

[TopGunner]

I don't recall any film of Scott approaching Fresno. The only video I saw was of the local area where they wanted to extend Encino and Laci's voice was on it.

ITA - I never saw it, or read it either.:seeya:

[Mysteri]

I don't recall any film of Scott approaching Fresno. The only video I saw was of the local area where they wanted to extend Encino and Laci's voice was on it.

I believe it was Gloria Allred who said the tape showed the vehicle approaching the area in Fresno where he left the package for Amber with the presents in it.

Laci Peterson Case Information: What 1
Necklace Birthday present from Scott Peterson to Amber Frey, left in foliage next ...... Planetarium Christmas gift given to Amber and Ayiana Frey by Scott ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what1.htm - 195k - Cached - Similar pages
Laci Peterson Case Information: What 3
Children's Hospital Central California 9300 Valley Children's Place, Fresno; the children's hospital where Scott Peterson dropped off gifts for Amber Frey ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what3.htm - 72k - Cached - Similar pages
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imo

[Mysteri]

AFDC doesn't pay a lot of money. Woman I know with 3 kdis only gets $900 a month in AFDC and that's not even poverty level in CA

The amount of welfare she may have collected doesn't matter to me. She needed help and she got it. That's all that matters. There's nothing wrong with it. That's why it is available. To help parents who have no where else to turn.
There's no shame in it and I don't understand why some posters want to deny she got it. It wasn't a crime.



imo

[Mysteri]

ITA They support the worst of the worst. Oh by the way, add Brocchini, certain Gs to the mix and now the mob. It beyond disgusting at this point. Those who are hiding behind the computer to defame should be publicly exposed.



imo

Ron Grantski could have easily sued Lee Peterson if you ask me. He made a public spectable and yet Ron had the compassion to let it go.

I was quite upset that the MPD were so deeply criticised over a very thorough investigation and the fact that Rick Distaso and Company ( loved Birgitt ) were able to put a very dangerous criminal behind bars for good was a satisfying relief and a tribute to those who did all the ground work that made it possible.

imo

[Lavindar]

I believe it was Gloria Allred who said the tape showed the vehicle approaching the area in Fresno where he left the package for Amber with the presents in it.

Laci Peterson Case Information: What 1
Necklace Birthday present from Scott Peterson to Amber Frey, left in foliage next ...... Planetarium Christmas gift given to Amber and Ayiana Frey by Scott ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what1.htm - 195k - Cached - Similar pages
Laci Peterson Case Information: What 3
Children's Hospital Central California 9300 Valley Children's Place, Fresno; the children's hospital where Scott Peterson dropped off gifts for Amber Frey ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what3.htm - 72k - Cached - Similar pages
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imo
this is from your first link:

a) jewelry, possibly recorded for insurance purposes, b) a sunrise or sunset filmed from a vehicle, showing a sign pointing to Coalinga, recorded with the radio tuned to a Fresno station, c) Scott and Laci Peterson drinking a New Year's Eve toast with another couple, d) scenes of traffic in the La Loma neighborhood, e) Scott Peterson's truck parked in front of a wrecking yard, f) a woman—possibly Amy Rocha—cutting a man's hair (later stated to be Amy Rocha cutting Lee Peterson's hair), g) a "really boring, long sequence" recording no faces or voices but showing someone stirring what Gibson believed to be "chemicals in a glass container," and h) Laci Peterson wearing a swimsuit with a towel wrapped around her waist, entering a kitchen with a chalkboard showing "Happy Fourth of July" in the background, then beginning to mix a salad as a woman tells her, "Smile at the camera, Lace"; apparently the same video shown during the questioning of Det. Craig Grogan on September 23, 2004, wherein Scott Peterson says he is going to send the video to "Osama" to make him "envious," and which features Laci Peterson and Stacey Boyers; according to July 19, 2004

second link takes me to list of law enforcement agencies

[Mysteri]

Scott was enroute to Fresno from the Coalinga area:

Nestled in Pleasant Valley at the eastern edge of California's Coast Mountain Range, surrounded by hills and ranches, Coalinga is 10 miles west of I-5 and 60 miles southwest of Fresno - California's sixth largest city.

Scenes of a cemetary in Fresno were also shown. I saw the film online. Laci spoke in it as well.

Wish they had established who had removed the camera from the Covena house and deposited it in the grease barrel at Fast Eddie's.


imo

[TopGunner]

The amount of welfare she may have collected doesn't matter to me. She needed help and she got it. That's all that matters. There's nothing wrong with it. That's why it is available. To help parents who have no where else to turn.
There's no shame in it and I don't understand why some posters want to deny she got it. It wasn't a crime.



imo

Mysteri, I don't think posters want to deny it. I can tell you that I didn't know FDAC (or whatever that's called) was the same as welfare. I said I didn't remember her being on welfare because, well, I didn't! :biggrin:

[Mysteri]

Mysteri, I don't think posters want to deny it. I can tell you that I didn't know FDAC (or whatever that's called) was the same as welfare. I said I didn't remember her being on welfare because, well, I didn't! :biggrin:

Thanks TopGunner but some posters seem to think it makes her look bad.
Amber didn't mind who knew she was collecting Welfare or she wouldn't have included it in her book. AFDC made her daughter eligible for Food Stamps and Medi-Cal as well. We all pay taxes to make these sources available to those who genuinely deserve them and It's cool that Amber was able to learn Massage Therapy through it.

I don't think any of her testimony is questionable but gave my reasons why Lee's was suspect as well as Jackie's.

imo

:seeya:

[TopGunner]

Thanks TopGunner but some posters seem to think it makes her look bad.
Amber didn't mind who knew she was collecting Welfare or she wouldn't have included it in her book. AFDC made her daughter eligible for Food Stamps and Medi-Cal as well. We all pay taxes to make these sources available to those who genuinely deserve them and It's cool that Amber was able to learn Massage Therapy through it.

I don't think any of her testimony is questionable but gave my reasons why Lee's was suspect as well as Jackie's.

imo

:seeya:

ITA regarding Lee and Jackie's testimony. IMO, they weren't suspect, they did indeed lie. It was so obvious, it was painful. And again, although there's a part of me that can understand trying to protect the one you love, I always go back to the question: If he was truly innocent, why was there the need to lie about anything?:shrug:

[adnoid]

Thanks TopGunner but some posters seem to think it makes her look bad...

Generally the same ones that think Scott screwing around makes him look good.

Amber's honesty help put Scott where he is today, for which she has my respect. I may not think highly of every one of her actions - such as letting Scott pick up her daughter without knowing him well - but overall I'm proud of her.

[woohoo]

Scott was enroute to Fresno from the Coalinga area:

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Scenes of a cemetary in Fresno were also shown. I saw the film online. Laci spoke in it as well.

Wish they had established who had removed the camera from the Covena house and deposited it in the grease barrel at Fast Eddie's.

GERAGOS: Okay. Now, the next day, maybe it was the day after the next, on January 22nd at about noon, you got a call from a Detective Wagner, correct?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. He told you that a video camera had been recovered behind a store off of Tully Road, correct?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And that it was recovered in an grease pit or 55 gallon drum?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And it was on top of it, and he viewed the content of the video, thought that it was important that you take a look at it, correct?

BROCCHINI: He thought it was Scott Peterson's video camera.

GERAGOS: Okay.

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: You remember that during the service of the search warrant on Scott's residence the day after Christmas, you had seen a video camera in the house, correct?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: You hadn't seized it on that day?

BROCCHINI: No.

GERAGOS: Then on the police photographs you know the police didn't seize it?

BROCCHINI: No, that's right.

GERAGOS: And you had viewed the tape that was in the video camera?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And when you viewed the tape on the video camera, you realized when Ridenour was describing what he saw on the tape, that it appeared to be the same things that you viewed on the tape; is that right?
BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. Now, they placed that into evidence, and at that point you realized that if the video camera had been dumped into a grease pit, that Kim McGregor was lying to you again, correct?
BROCCHINI: That's right.

GERAGOS: And then you went to go see her again about two hours later, right? Actually didn't go see her. You just phoned her?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And at this point you told her that you had additional information, and either she was going to be completely honest again, or you told her, again, or you were going to arrest her for the burglary; is that correct?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And then she admitted at that point that she had stolen Laci's Social Security card, correct?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: That she actually had it in her pocket as she was talking to you on the phone.

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: So she told you that as you were talking to her she had this Social Security card for Laci Peterson in her pocket. You said, "I want to know what else you stole," right?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: She hesitated, right?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: Am you told her, "I'm going to immediately arrest you if you don't tell me everything," right?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: She says, "I took one other thing"?

BROCCHINI: Right.

GERAGOS: And then you asked what it was. She said she stole a camcorder; is that right?

BROCCHINI: Yes.

GERAGOS: And that she had dumped that into a garbage can on the 20th, right?

BROCCHINI: On, said she dumped it in there on Monday morning.

GERAGOS: At what time?

BROCCHINI: Just said Monday morning.

GERAGOS: Okay. On the 20th?

BROCCHINI: That's what she said.

GERAGOS: January 20th, right?

BROCCHINI: Right.

[Mysteri]

WooHoo, thank you very very much !

[Rachel Cory]

I believe it was Gloria Allred who said the tape showed the vehicle approaching the area in Fresno where he left the package for Amber with the presents in it.

Laci Peterson Case Information: What 1
Necklace Birthday present from Scott Peterson to Amber Frey, left in foliage next ...... Planetarium Christmas gift given to Amber and Ayiana Frey by Scott ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what1.htm - 195k - Cached - Similar pages
Laci Peterson Case Information: What 3
Children's Hospital Central California 9300 Valley Children's Place, Fresno; the children's hospital where Scott Peterson dropped off gifts for Amber Frey ...
www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/what/what3.htm - 72k - Cached - Similar pages
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imo

uh...who was filming the approach to Fresno? I've examined the entire (and I mean ENTIRE) tape. What was the date and time? Not there, believe me. Gloria is mistaken.

[accordn2me]

Karen Servas (no supporting testimony provided - NST)

Harvey Kemple

Detective Brocchini - NST
Detective Hendee - NST
Eloise Anderson, a dog handler - NST

Amber Frey

Steven Howard Gebler - defense, concrete expert

Shawn Sibley

Ron Grantski

Jackie Peterson - NST

Dr. March - (request for stipulation b/c it would take too much space to post all of his testimony)

Lee Peterson - NST

[adnoid]

Lee Peterson - NST

You got it. Great post! :beer:

[accordn2me]

Karen Servas (no supporting testimony provided - NST)

Harvey Kemple

Detective Brocchini - NST
Detective Hendee - NST
Eloise Anderson, a dog handler - NST

Amber Frey

Steven Howard Gebler - defense, concrete expert

Shawn Sibley

Ron Grantski

Jackie Peterson - NST

Dr. March - (request for stipulation b/c it would take too much space to post all of his testimony)

Lee Peterson - NST

[Riviera]

Let's get back on topic please----> Witnesses Who's Credibility is Questionable

Thank you

R

[accordn2me]

Let's get back on topic please----> Witnesses Who's Credibility is Questionable

Thank you

RWhat are you talking about? Who's not on topic here? :confused:

[Riviera]

What are you talking about? Who's not on topic here? :confused:

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[accordn2me]

Posts were deleted yesterday.No wonder I didn't understand you. :seeya: