A Killer Among Us

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I felt that this deserved it's own Thread. If you disagree, then contact Freshwater and ask her to move it to the Sticky - Links Only. It is a rather long article so I posted Links! JMO and MOO!!

A Killer Among Us
The Murders of Nicole Brown Smith and Ronald Goldman

An American Tragedy does not even begin to describe the sequence of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. In the following pages you will read about Mr. Orenthal James Simpson, you'll read about his violent temper, you will read that he regards himself so high that he's above the law.

<snipped>

You will also be presented with proof that was not allowed in court, some of the same proof that found Mr. Simpson guilty in a civil trial of wrongful death. I urge you to take off the race blinders that Johnnie Cochran so easily placed over your eyes, whether your white or black, Japanese or Mexican, take off the blinders and view these people as exactly that, people.

The Crime Scene Evidence

The murders themselves, the brutal way the couple were butchered indicates that the killings were done out of rage. Nicole's neck was cut from ear to ear, nearly severing her head from her body. Ron Goldman had numerous stab wounds including 5 puncture or "taunting" type wounds. Impersonal killings are normally done quickly so as not to draw attention. They are usually shot or stabbed once, maybe twice. A rage, or vindictive killing such as Nicole and Ron suffered, were committed by someone who hated Nicole, at the least was very angry with her. That would mean that they knew her, so who, other than OJ, that knew Nicole, would be angry enough, or hate her enough, to do what was done to her? No one but OJ.

Hair in a dark knit cap found at the murder scene would prove to belong to OJ Simpson.

Simpson's hair was found on Ronald Goldman's shirt, even though Simpson claims never to have seen, let alone met Ronald Goldman.

A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.

The Crime Scene Evidence ~ Continued:
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_crime_scene.htm

Timeline for 6-12/13-94
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_timeline.htm

Bronco Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_bronco.htm

Rockingham Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_rockingham.htm

Miscellaneous Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_misc.htm

Eyewitness Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_eyewitness.htm

Was OJ Framed?
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_framed.htm

[William Anthony]

I felt that this deserved it's own Thread. If you disagree, then contact Freshwater and ask her to move it to the Sticky - Links Only. It is a rather long article so I posted Links! JMO and MOO!!

A Killer Among Us
The Murders of Nicole Brown Smith and Ronald Goldman

An American Tragedy does not even begin to describe the sequence of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. In the following pages you will read about Mr. Orenthal James Simpson, you'll read about his violent temper, you will read that he regards himself so high that he's above the law.

<snipped>

You will also be presented with proof that was not allowed in court, some of the same proof that found Mr. Simpson guilty in a civil trial of wrongful death. I urge you to take off the race blinders that Johnnie Cochran so easily placed over your eyes, whether your white or black, Japanese or Mexican, take off the blinders and view these people as exactly that, people.

The Crime Scene Evidence

The murders themselves, the brutal way the couple were butchered indicates that the killings were done out of rage. Nicole's neck was cut from ear to ear, nearly severing her head from her body. Ron Goldman had numerous stab wounds including 5 puncture or "taunting" type wounds. Impersonal killings are normally done quickly so as not to draw attention. They are usually shot or stabbed once, maybe twice. A rage, or vindictive killing such as Nicole and Ron suffered, were committed by someone who hated Nicole, at the least was very angry with her. That would mean that they knew her, so who, other than OJ, that knew Nicole, would be angry enough, or hate her enough, to do what was done to her? No one but OJ.

Hair in a dark knit cap found at the murder scene would prove to belong to OJ Simpson.

Simpson's hair was found on Ronald Goldman's shirt, even though Simpson claims never to have seen, let alone met Ronald Goldman.

A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.

The Crime Scene Evidence ~ Continued:
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_crime_scene.htm

Timeline for 6-12/13-94
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_timeline.htm

Bronco Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_bronco.htm

Rockingham Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_rockingham.htm

Miscellaneous Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_misc.htm

Eyewitness Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_evidence_eyewitness.htm

Was OJ Framed?
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_oj_framed.htm

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

[martin II]

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

This looks like seven sub-threads all in one.hhhmmmmmm
martinII

[2L8 4A D8]

This looks like seven sub-threads all in one.hhhmmmmmm
martinII

Hmmm. Better one Thread (less bandwidth) than seven sub-threads all in one!

JMO and MOO!!

[n.n]

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

[weezer]

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. No one has to incite hatred for him -- most people feel disgust. IMO

[martin II]

orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. No one has to incite hatred for him -- most people feel disgust. IMO

weezer
what exactly do you mean by MOST PEOPLE ?
martin II

[Suzee10]

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.


Drug dealers?????

[Suzee10]

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

What drug dealers are you talking about? Surely not the ones in the imagination of Jc and simpson.

Where was there any proof of drug dealers?

[weezer]

What drug dealers are you talking about? Surely not the ones in the imagination of Jc and simpson.

Where was there any proof of drug dealers?

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

[martin II]

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

weezer

or maby the people involved in the reported drug distribution from the Mazzaula (sp) resturant, Keith Z, the people that killed BCantor and others or some from that monkey bar.
martin II

[martin II]

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

weezer

or maby some people from that reported drug distribution resturant Mazzaluna (sp) where ron worked or K eith Z or people from The Monkey BAR where B cantor had his neck cut like ron.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer
have you consider that Faye was freebasing at nicoles daily and had no JOB.

That bad people had come there to see her.

They could have come to nicoles looking for fay and mistook nicole for her in the dark.
Ron could have just walked in at the wrong time.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

or maby the people involved in the reported drug distribution from the Mazzaula (sp) resturant, Keith Z, the people that killed BCantor and others or some from that monkey bar.
martin II

you are really having to stretch to include Nicole and Ron don't you think? what possible connection has ever been found -- by anyone -- that Nicole and Ron were involved in drug deals? NONE. you are so very pathetic to continue to bash the victims when evidence proves that there was NO connection between Nicole and Ron with using and/or selling drugs. There was evidence that orenthal had drugs in HIS system at the time of the murders. Embrace it -- accept it.

[weezer]

*Snipped*They could have come to nicoles looking for fay and mistook nicole for her in the dark.

Pathetic -- look at pictures of Nicole and Faye and tell me how they could be mistaken for each other. Good Gawd!

[martin II]

*Snipped*

Pathetic -- look at pictures of Nicole and Faye and tell me how they could be mistaken for each other. Good Gawd!

weezer

do you think drug hit men comming to a house that they knew faye lived would pull out some pictures or would they kill the first blond that answered the door.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

do you think drug hit men comming to a house that they knew faye lived would pull out some pictures or would they kill the first blond that answered the door.

martin II

I suppose you can point to evidence that Faye owed drug money and 'drug hit men' were at Nicole's to collect? Or is it more likely that the man who had beat and abused Nicole for 17 years and who was threatening and stalking currently went there to harm her?

You do understand that Faye was a brunette and petite while Nicole was a blonde, tall and thin don't you? I would think it would be pretty hard to mistake one for the other.

[socaldiva]

And to this today, no one has come back after Faye, the "real" target?

[weezer]

And to this today, no one has come back after Faye, the "real" target?

I know but you can't make orenthal 'not guilty' unless you can make EVERYONE else involved (victims and LE) guilty. Pathetic.

[martin II]

I suppose you can point to evidence that Faye owed drug money and 'drug hit men' were at Nicole's to collect? Or is it more likely that the man who had beat and abused Nicole for 17 years and who was threatening and stalking currently went there to harm her?

You do understand that Faye was a brunette and petite while Nicole was a blonde, tall and thin don't you? I would think it would be pretty hard to mistake one for the other.

The last picture i saw of her she was a blond.

You are not a hired killer for drug dealers now are you.
martin II

[weezer]

The last picture i saw of her she was a blond.

You are not a hired killer for drug dealers now are you.
martin II

from your postings, I think you know more about hired killers and drug dealers than I do.

[packy]

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

[martin II]

from your postings, I think you know more about hired killers and drug dealers than I do.

weezer

Your twisted view of what you get from my post does not surprise me as i know you do like to twist and streatch posters meanings a lot.

I do listen to tv crime stories and read accounts in the local print media.Thats about it. SORRY i have never killed anyone.

martin II

[martin II]

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

packy

I agree. For me it was all too smooth, quick and without any noise that has been reported. Nicole nor Ron were known as wimps.
martin II

[weezer]

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

We do know that it wasn't Nicole or Ron since there is absolutely no evidence that either were involved in taking or dealing or distributing drugs. I think none of us could believe orenthal was capable of the carnage he left at Bundy that night -- the evidence proved that he was. Evide is that the murders were very quick. I don't know how hard it would be to raise the head of an unconcious person and pull a knife across her throat. Maybe orenthal can tell us?

[weezer]

packy

I agree. For me it was all too smooth, quick and without any noise that has been reported. Nicole nor Ron were known as wimps.
martin II

my God martin -- 'smooth, quick and without noise'? There was a dog that wouldn't stop barking? There was testimony that two men were heard above the noise of the barking dog. There was evidence that Nicole was knocked unconcious while Ron was putting up a fierce fight for his life.

[martin II]

I know but you can't make orenthal 'not guilty' unless you can make EVERYONE else involved (victims and LE) guilty. Pathetic.

weezer

all one has to do to make oj not guilty is what the prosecution did in the criminal trial.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

all one has to do to make oj not guilty is what the prosecution did in the criminal trial.

martin II

no that wasn't it -- all the defense had to do was drum that same old tired song about being mistreated and sending a message. Seems to work everytime.

[martin II]

my God martin -- 'smooth, quick and without noise'? There was a dog that wouldn't stop barking? There was testimony that two men were heard above the noise of the barking dog. There was evidence that Nicole was knocked unconcious while Ron was putting up a fierce fight for his life.

weezer
i will try to help you get this straight.

i think the poster was referring to no noise by the victims. so stop twisting the post.

There was testimony that nicole had a bruise on her head. no proof that any one hit her, just guesses.

the coronor guessed that it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.about 50 wounds for both.

Heidstrs said he heard the dog at bundy and gorham at the same time some believe the murders took place.

Some have guessed that nicole was knocked uncocious before ron arrived not after he arrived and was being attacked.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
i will try to help you get this straight.

i think the poster was referring to no noise by the victims. so stop twisting the post.

There was testimony that nicole had a bruise on her head. no proof that any one hit her, just guesses.

the coronor guessed that it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.about 50 wounds for both.

Heidstrs said he heard the dog at bundy and gorham at the same time some believe the murders took place.

Some have guessed that nicole was knocked uncocious before ron arrived not after he arrived and was being attacked.

martin II

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

[martin II]

no that wasn't it -- all the defense had to do was drum that same old tired song about being mistreated and sending a message. Seems to work everytime.

weezer
perhaps this persons comments will help you understand what happened in the court room.

He is talking about closing arguments by the prosecution and the defense.


The prosecution stressed Nicole brown's domestic abuse at the hand of Mr. Simpson, the DNA evidence in a rather protracted and tedious manner, the brutality of the killings, and closed by stating that if he had beaten her, he was also capable of murdering her.


the Defence Closing Statements worked through all the evidentiary material, and claimed it showed there was more than a reasonable doubt that Simpson was the murderer. In other words, it was the Defence team who took the jury through step by step over the evidence, and showed the flaws in the prosecution's case.


martin II

[martin II]

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

weezer
then maby you can ask the poster to explain the meaning. I assume she was talking about the lack of noise by the victime.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
perhaps this persons comments will help you understand what happened in the court room.

He is talking about closing arguments by the prosecution and the defense.


The prosecution stressed Nicole brown's domestic abuse at the hand of Mr. Simpson, the DNA evidence in a rather protracted and tedious manner, the brutality of the killings, and closed by stating that if he had beaten her, he was also capable of murdering her.


the Defence Closing Statements worked through all the evidentiary material, and claimed it showed there was more than a reasonable doubt that Simpson was the murderer. In other words, it was the Defence team who took the jury through step by step over the evidence, and showed the flaws in the prosecution's case.


martin II

I understand what happened in the courtroom and your post only goes to prove my point. The prosecution relied on testimony and evidence while the jury relied on cochran and team to tell them it was okay to let a double murderer go free in order to send their message. Like I've said, we heard it.

[packy]

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

[martin II]

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

packy
thanks for you post.

Brent Cantor a dealer that worked at the monkey bar, a known drug location. a bar frequented by Niocle, Ron and some other of their friends was killed in the identical manner, throat slit, as ron and it was reported that drugs was involved.
So the efficiency of the killings of ron and nicole did appear to done by a professional killer/s
martin II

[weezer]

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

evidence is that Nicole was unconcious and we did hear Ron yell, "Hey, hey, hey!" I guess in the minute to minute in a half it to for orenthal to butcher him, that's probably all he had time to say.

I believe orenthal did his yelling and ranting earlier on the phone. Based on the Grenta Green incident, that seems to have been his MO --

[martin II]

I understand what happened in the courtroom and your post only goes to prove my point. The prosecution relied on testimony and evidence while the jury relied on cochran and team to tell them it was okay to let a double murderer go free in order to send their message. Like I've said, we heard it.

i dont see how you got that out of that post. it said the opposite of what you are now twisting and bending.
maby you did not read it.
martin II

[weezer]

packy
thanks for you post.

Brent Cantor a dealer that worked at the monkey bar, a known drug location. a bar frequented by Niocle, Ron and some other of their friends was killed in the identical manner, throat slit, as ron and it was reported that drugs was involved.
So the efficiency of the killings of ron and nicole did appear to done by a professional killer/s
martin II

I keep trying to make the connection that you have with this. Of all the hundreds of people that went to that bar and with no evidence that Nicole even knew Cantor and with no evidence that Nicole and/or Ron took, dealt, or distributed drugs, how do you make the leap that the two incidents were related?

Wasn't there testimony that orenthal was shown how to slit a throat like a professional for the movie he was involved in at the time of the murders?

[martin II]

evidence is that Nicole was unconcious and we did hear Ron yell, "Hey, hey, hey!" I guess in the minute to minute in a half it to for orenthal to butcher him, that's probably all he had time to say.

I believe orenthal did his yelling and ranting earlier on the phone. Based on the Grenta Green incident, that seems to have been his MO --

weeaer

naw
it looks to me like they were being controlled and killed by two killers especially since you think it only took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.

Have you ever wondered if the phone call Faye made to nicole on 6/12
was made to see if nicole was in fact home for the night?

martin II

[martin II]

I keep trying to make the connection that you have with this. Of all the hundreds of people that went to that bar and with no evidence that Nicole even knew Cantor and with no evidence that Nicole and/or Ron took, dealt, or distributed drugs, how do you make the leap that the two incidents were related?

Wasn't there testimony that orenthal was shown how to slit a throat like a professional for the movie he was involved in at the time of the murders?

weezer
i will help you again

It is related because the killings were done in the exact same manner. Professionally looking slit throats and the victims hung out in the same drug bar.

acting in a movie does not give one expertise in carrying out a acting part in real life. in case you don't realize this.

You think Tom Cruise can kill in actual life as he does in movies.

martin II

[weezer]

weeaer

naw
it looks to me like they were being controlled and killed by two killers especially since you think it only took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.

Have you ever wondered if the phone call Faye made to nicole on 6/12
was made to see if nicole was in fact home for the night?

martin II

naw

you continue to get it wrong. I did not say it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both..........

I think Faye's phone call was incidental to the night. I think the call that escalated the night was orenthal's call to Nicole.

[weezer]

weezer
i will help you again

It is related because the killings were done in the exact same manner. Professionally looking slit throats and the victims hung out in the same drug bar.

acting in a movie does not give one expertise in carrying out a acting part in real life. in case you don't realize this.

You think Tom Cruise can kill in actual life as he does in movies.

martin II

oh right -- that makes sense..........NOT.

[martin II]

naw

you continue to get it wrong. I did not say it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both..........

I think Faye's phone call was incidental to the night. I think the call that escalated the night was orenthal's call to Nicole.

weezer

Well i was wondering if fayes call was to see if nicole was home so she could notify the drug people she was there. Just a thought.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

Well i was wondering if fayes call was to see if nicole was home so she could notify the drug people she was there. Just a thought.
martin II

do you realize how ignorant that sounds? what do you think faye said to the drug people and why?

that wasn't a thought -- that was a brain f@rt!

[martin II]

weezer
since you think it took 1 1/2 minutes for the killer to kill Ron. how long do you think it took to kill nicole?
martin II

[martin II]

do you realize how ignorant that sounds? what do you think faye said to the drug people and why?

that wasn't a thought -- that was a brain f@rt!

weezer
i don't understand some of your country lingo so you can leave it out of your post to me. If you don't mind.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
since you think it took 1 1/2 minutes for the killer to kill Ron. how long do you think it took to kill nicole?
martin II

why guess about the time it took? there's testimony about it. If you're interested, look it up.

[weezer]

weezer
i don't understand some of your country lingo so you can leave it out of your post to me. If you don't mind.
martin II

country lingo?

[socaldiva]

country lingo?

I didn't get that either. :tongue:

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weeaer

naw
it looks to me like they were being controlled and killed by two killers especially since you think it only took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.

Have you ever wondered if the phone call Faye made to nicole on 6/12
was made to see if nicole was in fact home for the night?

martin II

You'll never stop with your ridiculous theories, will you? Now you're saying that Faye set Nicole up to be murdered that night by calling her on the phone to make sure that she "was in fact home for the night?" Good gawd, but it is just a bunch of rubbish and you know it. You will grasp at any straw whatsoever to believe that your hero and idol, OJ Simpson, is NOT guilty. What's next? I am just dying to hear about it ~ NOT!

Good Job Martin, but this is one theory that is absolutely NOT going to fly! Give ALL of us a freaking break! :mad:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

Yeah, I am sure that OJ would have wanted to do a lot of Ranting and Raving to Nicole and her lifeless, dead body. However, he was more interested in getting in and out and he certainly didn't want to take the chance of someone walking the streets who could have possibly heard him, right?

However, that would have been a real "Good Thing" because OJ would have been caught redhanded; would be sitting next door to Scott Peterson at San Quentin on Death Row; and we all wouldn't be posting on this Board and these Threads! :mad:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

country lingo?

As usual, the truth hurts so he just has to lash out, right? Just consider the source! Too bad that he doesn't like your "country lingo!" I don't much like his "jive talking" either!

JMO and MOO!!

[Suzee10]

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

Maybe so fbgweezer. You are certainly correct about the drugs NOT in Nicole's and Ron's body. For some big time drug users, as simpson has tried to say, they sure were clean. As a matter of fact, if I remember correctly, there was something mentioned about Nicole's body, during the autopsy, not being the body of a drug user. Her body did not have the characteristics of a heavy, everyday drug user. According to simpson that is what Nicole and her friends did. Not so!!!!!

[Suzee10]

weezer

Well i was wondering if fayes call was to see if nicole was home so she could notify the drug people she was there. Just a thought.
martin II

What in the world are you talking about? I thought the ng's thought the so called drug dealers were after Faye. Why in the world is Faye calling the drug dealers? Are you for real or just plain confused about this entire case? :shrug:

[weezer]

What in the world are you talking about? I thought the ng's thought the so called drug dealers were after Faye. Why in the world is Faye calling the drug dealers? Are you for real or just plain confused about this entire case? :shrug:

LOL -- 'confused' is a word that has been used often in confronting/describing martin

[Suzee10]

LOL -- 'confused' is a word that has been used often in confronting/describing martin


I totally agree with you fbgweezer!!!
:beer:

[sassylassy]

packy

I agree. For me it was all too smooth, quick and without any noise that has been reported. Nicole nor Ron were known as wimps.
martin II

ITA- it was to quiet

Didnt one witness that lived on Bundy say that it was so quiet that night?

:shrug: Strange!

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=2L8 4A D8;8815278]I felt that this deserved it's own Thread. If you disagree, then contact Freshwater and ask her to move it to the Sticky - Links Only. It is a rather long article so I posted Links! JMO and MOO!!

A Killer Among Us
The Murders of Nicole Brown Smith and Ronald Goldman

An American Tragedy does not even begin to describe the sequence of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. In the following pages you will read about Mr. Orenthal James Simpson, you'll read about his violent temper, you will read that he regards himself so high that he's above the law.

<snipped>

You will also be presented with proof that was not allowed in court, some of the same proof that found Mr. Simpson guilty in a civil trial of wrongful death. I urge you to take off the race blinders that Johnnie Cochran so easily placed over your eyes, whether your white or black, Japanese or Mexican, take off the blinders and view these people as exactly that, people.

The Crime Scene Evidence

The murders themselves, the brutal way the couple were butchered indicates that the killings were done out of rage. Nicole's neck was cut from ear to ear, nearly severing her head from her body. Ron Goldman had numerous stab wounds including 5 puncture or "taunting" type wounds. Impersonal killings are normally done quickly so as not to draw attention. They are usually shot or stabbed once, maybe twice. A rage, or vindictive killing such as Nicole and Ron suffered, were committed by someone who hated Nicole, at the least was very angry with her. That would mean that they knew her, so who, other than OJ, that knew Nicole, would be angry enough, or hate her enough, to do what was done to her? No one but OJ.

Hair in a dark knit cap found at the murder scene would prove to belong to OJ Simpson.

Simpson's hair was found on Ronald Goldman's shirt, even though Simpson claims never to have seen, let alone met Ronald Goldman.

A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.


Did u type this all by yourself or did u copy it from another link?

The Anika was still a puppy therefore it wouldn't attack :rolleyes:

Not to mention... the puppy dog could have been inside during the attacks- hence no barking or jumping on the attackers....

:eek: IMO MOO JMO :eek:

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

Did u type this all by yourself or did u copy it from another link?

The Anika was still a puppy therefore it wouldn't attack :rolleyes:

Not to mention... the puppy dog could have been inside during the attacks- hence no barking or jumping on the attackers....

:eek: IMO MOO JMO :eek:

Funny how you completely deleted all of the Links that I supplied. Even if I didn't, you could still Google "A Killer Among Us" to see for yourself!

WTH is an Anika? Where is your proof or substantiation that Kato was just a puppy? I have never heard of that. Kato was hardly what one could consider a "puppy" and if he was, he was a pretty damn BIG one! Also, where is your proof or substantiation that Kato wouldn't have attacked OJ. Of course, Kato wouldn't have attached OJ because he was one of his Masters besides Nicole. Kato has been talked about constantly on another Thread which has already been deleted by the Moderator(s).

Amazing! You can take OJ to task over buying Nicole a lighter because "secondhand smoke kills and it is a filthy habit," but then you are a firm and steadfast believer in OJ's innocence of being a double-murderer! Good gawd! GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

ITA- it was to quiet

Didnt one witness that lived on Bundy say that it was so quiet that night?

:shrug: Strange!

"to quiet" for what? Nicole & Ron WERE murdered, so I guess it wasn't "to quiet" for that. Or do you only mean that it was "to quiet" for OJ to be the murderer?

[sassylassy]

Funny how you completely deleted all of the Links that I supplied. Even if I didn't, you could still Google "A Killer Among Us" to see for yourself!

WTH is an Anika? Where is your proof or substantiation that Kato was just a puppy? I have never heard of that. Kato was hardly what one could consider a "puppy" and if he was, he was a pretty damn BIG one! Also, where is your proof or substantiation that Kato wouldn't have attacked OJ. Of course, Kato wouldn't have attached OJ because he was one of his Masters besides Nicole. Kato has been talked about constantly on another Thread which has already been deleted by the Moderator(s).

Amazing! You can take OJ to task over buying Nicole a lighter because "secondhand smoke kills and it is a filthy habit," but then you are a firm and steadfast believer in OJ's innocence of being a double-murderer! no Good gawd! GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!


Geez ...it was a simple question yes or no question....:confused:

The Akita "kato" was a puppy at the time of the murders, I think he was
9 months=

this is all JMO IMO...

[sassylassy]

"to quiet" for what? Nicole & Ron WERE murdered, so I guess it wasn't "to quiet" for that. Or do you only mean that it was "to quiet" for OJ to be the murderer?

:shrug: I am saying the murders were too quiet,
2 ppl are murdered in a busy area and no one hears any screams....
imo that doesnt seem right.:shrug:

[socaldiva]

:shrug: I am saying the murders were too quiet,
2 ppl are murdered in a busy area and no one hears any screams....
imo that doesnt seem right.:shrug:

Whether you think it was "too quiet" or not, they were slashed to death. As I've stated before, my next door neighbor was stabbed to death & no one heard a peep & my street is very quiet.

[Suzee10]

:shrug: I am saying the murders were too quiet,
2 ppl are murdered in a busy area and no one hears any screams....
imo that doesnt seem right.:shrug:

Screams or no screams, they were certainly murdered and by simpson.

[2L8 4A D8]

Geez ...it was a simple question yes or no question....:confused:

The Akita "kato" was a puppy at the time of the murders, I think he was
9 months=

this is all JMO IMO...

Where are you getting this information that Kato was 9 months old? I have never heard that and instead of just taking your word for it, I would like to either read it or see it for myself through a Link or something. :confused:

It's just a simple request.

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

Where are you getting this information that Kato was 9 months old? I have never heard that and instead of just taking your word for it, I would like to either read it or see it for myself through a Link or something. :confused:

It's just a simple request.

JMO and MOO!!


well I suggest if you want to learn more about Kato that you "google" the information yourself!....

its that simple...IMO JMO MOO ...of course :tongue:

[sassylassy]

Screams or no screams, they were certainly murdered and by simpson.


that would be your point of view, I personally dont think so......

[sassylassy]

Whether you think it was "too quiet" or not, they were slashed to death. As I've stated before, my next door neighbor was stabbed to death & no one heard a peep & my street is very quiet.


Well I`m sure there are many different factors....you said your neighbor, does that mean one person or 2?

I dont know the details of what happened to your neighbor, so I cant agree or disagree that this is the same....

I have heard of ppl being murdered & the whole street heard it...?!:shrug:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I have heard of ppl being murdered & the whole street heard it...?!:shrug:

Obviously that wasn't the case here, regardless of who you think did it. They were murdered outside & no one heard anything, outside of the hey...hey...hey remark.

[2L8 4A D8]

well I suggest if you want to learn more about Kato that you "google" the information yourself!....

its that simple...IMO JMO MOO ...of course :tongue:

Yeah, I did just that Mister Sharing The Love! Already Googled knowing that an NG would not back-up or substantiate what they posted, even if asked nicely.

Kato was NOT a 9 month old puppy after all. I just knew that I was right! Yay, 2L8! :beer:

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

Yeah, I did just that Mister Sharing The Love! Already Googled knowing that an NG would not back-up or substantiate what they posted, even if asked nicely.

Kato was NOT a 9 month old puppy after all. I just knew that I was right! Yay, 2L8! :beer:

JMO and MOO!!

That would be "Mrs" Sharing the lov ;)

I have no problem supplying links, I just think that if your going to debate the points of this case you should already be informed ((Imo moo)):read:

so on that note, Kato was 11.5 when he died in 2004, so that would have made him a year in half at the times of the murder:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/11/05/sections/local/local_columns/article_300394.php

and according to Purina dog chow:

Puppies are going through their fastest growth for their first year or even two years for large breeds. During that entire time, puppies should be fed a complete and balanced puppy food. It may seem strange to call an 18-month-old, 60-pound large breed dog a ‘puppy’ - but that’s what he is.

with that said, Kato was still a puppy on June 12 1994

http://www.dogchow.com/Health/The_Aging_Rate_of_Dogs.aspx

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally Posted by koolchick
Yes, anyone who could expose OJ for who he really was received death threats.

Originally Posted by sassylassy
Hi KC

welcome aboard, its nice to see another new poster join us

So do tell ....Who received death threats?

this is "new" to me ...I never heard this before!

<snipped>

I have no problem supplying links, I just think that if your going to debate the points of this case you should already be informed ((Imo moo)):read:

<snipped>

Sound familiar to you? "So do tell .... Who Received death threats? This is 'new' to me ... I never heard this before!"

"I just think that if your going to debate the points of this case you should already be informed ((Imo moo))":read: Yeah, and maybe you should practice what you preach!

Sorry, at 18 months, I don't consider Kato a puppy. He was still old enough and large enough to do some serious damage to someone who entered Nicole's Condo property and they were strangers. So we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter!

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

[/i][/b]
Sorry, at 18 months, I don't consider Kato a puppy. He was still old enough and large enough to do some serious damage to someone who entered Nicole's Condo property and they were strangers.

I agree. At 18 months I think he would have been full sized & I'm sure he had a full set of teeth :D

[sassylassy]

[/i][/b]


Sound familiar to you? "So do tell .... Who Received death threats? This is 'new' to me ... I never heard this before!"

"I just think that if your going to debate the points of this case you should already be informed ((Imo moo))"Yeah, and maybe you should practice what you preach!

Sorry, at 18 months, I don't consider Kato a puppy. He was still old enough and large enough to do some serious damage to someone who entered Nicole's Condo property and they were strangers. So we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter!

JMO and MOO!!

I consider myself well informed of the case & back-up & substantiate every thing I have posted. :read:

Kool Chick has just recently joined us & posted that ppl against OJS were recieving deaths threats !!!!

I never heard this before so I engaged Kool Chick in conversation...

so I dont see how this concerns u... unless u are kool Chick?:shrug:

& yes ...looks like we disagree again (((no shocker there :eek: )))

JMO and MOO!

[martin II]

from Akita breeders web site.

Item #2 is the responsibility of the new owner. The way your Akita looks at maturity depends entirely on the environment the new owner provides for him/her while growing to maturity. Full maturity of the Akita is not until 2-3 years of age.

Your puppy should continue the diet of Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy until he/she is about two years old. Your veterinarian may suggest another feeding regimen, but as breeders, we have the experience with this breed. Your Chateau Akita takes a while to mature and needs the good nutrition that is provided with Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

I agree. At 18 months I think he would have been full sized & I'm sure he had a full set of teeth :D

Yeah, 18 months doesn't even come close to 9 months. Kato was huge and I am sure had a whole mouth full of hard, sharp teeth to bite Glenn Rogers, the killer of Brett Cantor, the drug dealers, the Columbian drug lords and the Aliens from Outer Space right in their *****e$ as they were all, one at a time, killing Nicole and Ron!! Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

[sassylassy]

from Akita breeders web site.

Item #2 is the responsibility of the new owner. The way your Akita looks at maturity depends entirely on the environment the new owner provides for him/her while growing to maturity. Full maturity of the Akita is not until 2-3 years of age.

Your puppy should continue the diet of Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy until he/she is about two years old. Your veterinarian may suggest another feeding regimen, but as breeders, we have the experience with this breed. Your Chateau Akita takes a while to mature and needs the good nutrition that is provided with Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy.


martin II


Thanks for the link Martin :read:

I think I'm am going to agree with the professionals on this one!

Kato was still a pup & not some blood sucking beast with huge teeth.. :D
the facts speak for themselves, so there's no debate!

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

Yeah, 18 months doesn't even come close to 9 months. Kato was huge and I am sure had a whole mouth full of hard, sharp teeth to bite Glenn Rogers, the killer of Brett Cantor, the drug dealers, the Columbian drug lords and the Aliens from Outer Space right in their *****e$ as they were all, one at a time, killing Nicole and Ron!! Yeah, right! :rolleyes:


so I was off a few months...you didnt even know!:rolleyes:

[martin II]

Thanks for the link Martin :read:

I think I'm am going to agree with the professionals on this one!

Kato was still a pup & not some blood sucking beast with huge teeth.. :D
the facts speak for themselves, so there's no debate!

JMO and MOO!!

sassy hi

i agree

Some puppies can be larger than others and can appear to be adult but are still mentally very young dogs. Additionally all Akita breeds do not have agressive attack dog personalities.(according to informaiton supplied by breeders) I would assume that nicoles Akita was not of the attack breed type as he was purchased as a companion and playmate for the children.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*SNIP*
I would assume that nicoles Akita was not of the attack breed type as he was purchased as a companion and playmate for the children.



Yes, you do a lot of "assuming" don't you? You think that Akitas come in "attack breed" & "companion/playmate breed"? You don't seem to know very much about dogs.

[sassylassy]

I have a question ...

if Kato was attacking the "killer" with his sharpe teeth...
why didnt the "killer" stab & kill the dog?

(the dog had no Injuries)
:read:

[Suzee10]

Yeah, 18 months doesn't even come close to 9 months. Kato was huge and I am sure had a whole mouth full of hard, sharp teeth to bite Glenn Rogers, the killer of Brett Cantor, the drug dealers, the Columbian drug lords and the Aliens from Outer Space right in their *****e$ as they were all, one at a time, killing Nicole and Ron!! Yeah, right! :rolleyes:


There was quite a crowd there at Bundy the night of the murders, 2Late, to hear some people tell it, but that is just it they can't get their story straight. Sometimes it is drug dealers and sometimes it is Rogers that killed Brett Cantor. The alien concept is not one I had thought of but I am sure some of the NG's have thought about it. :eek:

[socaldiva]

I have a question ...

if Kato was attacking the "killer" with his sharpe teeth...
why didnt the "killer" stab & kill the dog?

(the dog had no Injuries)
:read:

Who said the dog attacked anyone? :confused: The dog didn't attack, because it knew Orenthal. I'm sure it would have attacked an unknown assailant ;)

[2L8 4A D8]

Who said the dog attacked anyone? :confused: The dog didn't attack, because it knew Orenthal. I'm sure it would have attacked an unknown assailant ;)

Thank you Diva! Some people just don't get it 'ya know? :tongue:

[2L8 4A D8]

"A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog."

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

Martin,

I think your questions about the phone calls Nicole received from Faye and her shrink are very important questions.

First off, Faye's need to explain, very early one that she talked to Nicole that night just seem very odd. What is ever more stranger is her description of the phone call and that Sydney was wrong, her mother was not crying, she was giggling. I have a hard time believing that any 9 year old could not tell the difference between her mother's crying and anger vs her giggling and being joval. IMO.

[martin II]

Martin,

I think your questions about the phone calls Nicole received from Faye and her shrink are very important questions.

First off, Faye's need to explain, very early one that she talked to Nicole that night just seem very odd. What is ever more stranger is her description of the phone call and that Sydney was wrong, her mother was not crying, she was giggling. I have a hard time believing that any 9 year old could not tell the difference between her mother's crying and anger vs her giggling and being joval. IMO.


limakey
i agree

some other thoughts.

1. faye had been in rehab for a few days on 6/12 and i don't think she was authorized to be making outside phone calls, yet she felt compelled to make this call to nicole at 9pm. Just as some believe oj made a call at this time to see if nicole was home, fayes call could have been for the same reason especially since sydney said mommie was crying when talking to HER FRIEND.

So why would nicole be crying when talking to Faye unless she received some bad news from faye or there was some kind of argument between them?
martin II

[martin II]

I have a question ...

if Kato was attacking the "killer" with his sharpe teeth...
why didnt the "killer" stab & kill the dog?

(the dog had no Injuries)
:read:

sassy hi
imo because the dog KATO was up stairs in the kids room then the killers killer ron and nicole and did not come out until some minutes after nicole
had left the house.
martin II

[weezer]

Martin,

I think your questions about the phone calls Nicole received from Faye and her shrink are very important questions.

First off, Faye's need to explain, very early one that she talked to Nicole that night just seem very odd. What is ever more stranger is her description of the phone call and that Sydney was wrong, her mother was not crying, she was giggling. I have a hard time believing that any 9 year old could not tell the difference between her mother's crying and anger vs her giggling and being joval. IMO.

exactly -- what prevented there being two phone calls that night? Just like we know there was. Faye said she called and orenthal said he called.

[weezer]

limakey
i agree

some other thoughts.

1. faye had been in rehab for a few days on 6/12 and i don't think she was authorized to be making outside phone calls, yet she felt compelled to make this call to nicole at 9pm. Just as some believe oj made a call at this time to see if nicole was home, fayes call could have been for the same reason especially since sydney said mommie was crying when talking to HER FRIEND.

So why would nicole be crying when talking to Faye unless she received some bad news from faye or there was some kind of argument between them?
martin II

you seem to have insight to rehab facility rules that some of us do not. How long after you're in rehab can you make outside calls? Do the rules vary by facility?

[weezer]

sassy hi
imo because the dog KATO was up stairs in the kids room then the killers killer ron and nicole and did not come out until some minutes after nicole
had left the house.
martin II

is this just a supposition or do you know something the rest of the world doesn't know? I'm asking since you take the rest of us to task for stating our theories.

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
imo because the dog KATO was up stairs in the kids room then the killers killer ron and nicole and did not come out until some minutes after nicole
had left the house.
martin II

ITA agree the dog was inside during the attacks.

imo moo :beer:

[sassylassy]

exactly -- what prevented there being two phone calls that night? Just like we know there was. Faye said she called and orenthal said he called.

Faye got off the phone with Nicole around 9:30 correct?

then how did Faye know Ron was coming over that night, Nicole didnt call Ron till 9:45-ish?

jmo imo

[weezer]

Faye got off the phone with Nicole around 9:30 correct?

then how did Faye know Ron was coming over that night, Nicole didnt call Ron till 9:45-ish?

jmo imo

sorry but I'm not up on what time the calls were made either by faye or orenthal. I'll look up the timelines and see what they are though.

I don't find it odd Nicole would have told her 'friend' was the one that made her cry on the phone instead of 'your dad' --

[sassylassy]

Who said the dog attacked anyone? :confused: The dog didn't attack, because it knew Orenthal. I'm sure it would have attacked an unknown assailant ;)

based on the the Akitas temperment-"they represent the third most likely dog to bite or attack unprovoked"

when Akitas experience situations they are not accustomed to, they often react as primitive animals do, which is with violence.

so IMO I think the Akita would have attacked OJS or the killer(s)
if he was outside during the attacks.


http://www.kerrysteigerwalt.com/public/californiadogbite/akita.html
and
http://www.sddefenselawyers.com/cadogbitelawyer/akitaattacks.html

[weezer]

Faye got off the phone with Nicole around 9:30 correct?

then how did Faye know Ron was coming over that night, Nicole didnt call Ron till 9:45-ish?

jmo imo

9:35 - Nicole calls the restaurant and asks to speak to Ron Goldman, her friend. No one heard the conversation between the two but it's widely assumed that Nicole asked Ron to drop the glasses off as her house was easily passed on his way home.

[weezer]

Faye got off the phone with Nicole around 9:30 correct?

then how did Faye know Ron was coming over that night, Nicole didnt call Ron till 9:45-ish?

jmo imo

I didn't read faye's book and I'm still looking for her testimony on the phone call but this is what wagner wrote:

"Then there is the "9:00 o'clock phone call to Nicole" in which Faye claims that she had her final conversation with Nicole an hour or so before the murders. I believe this conversation did happen, and in it Faye naturally acquired last minute information about the status in the condo (i.e., Nicole was alone and planning to go to bed early.)"

it doesn't say anything about Ron coming over

[sassylassy]

you seem to have insight to rehab facility rules that some of us do not. How long after you're in rehab can you make outside calls? Do the rules vary by facility?


I read a little about the Exodus Recovery Center from reading about
Kurt Cobain.

it sounds like a laid back Center, when KC was there he was able to have vistors, and make & recieve calls, he also was in a worse drug state than Faye.

IMO-MOO :)

[weezer]

I read a little about the Exodus Recovery Center from reading about
Kurt Cobain.

it sounds like a laid back Center, when KC was there he was able to have vistors, and make & recieve calls, he also was in a worse drug state than Faye.

IMO-MOO :)

is this where faye was?

[sassylassy]

I didn't read faye's book and I'm still looking for her testimony on the phone call but this is what wagner wrote:

"Then there is the "9:00 o'clock phone call to Nicole" in which Faye claims that she had her final conversation with Nicole an hour or so before the murders. I believe this conversation did happen, and in it Faye naturally acquired last minute information about the status in the condo (i.e., Nicole was alone and planning to go to bed early.)"

it doesn't say anything about Ron coming over


I thought faye knew during that phone call?
perhaps you are correct
I will see if I can come across any details :read:

[sassylassy]

is this where faye was?

yes it was.

[sassylassy]

9:35 - Nicole calls the restaurant and asks to speak to Ron Goldman, her friend. No one heard the conversation between the two but it's widely assumed that Nicole asked Ron to drop the glasses off as her house was easily passed on his way home.

I believe in fayes book she claims she spoke with Nicole for 30 mins
however the timelines of events dont seem to support that.:read:

[weezer]

I believe in fayes book she claims she spoke with Nicole for 30 mins
however the timelines of events dont seem to support that.:read:

LOL -- go figure.

I think I'm going to do a little research on timelines and see if I can figure when the calls could have happened.

[sassylassy]

LOL -- go figure.

I think I'm going to do a little research on timelines and see if I can figure when the calls could have happened.

Plez do share ..what you come up with :)

(I'm thinking Faye called from 9:20 till 9:30)

[bobaugust]

based on the the Akitas temperment-"they represent the third most likely dog to bite or attack unprovoked"

when Akitas experience situations they are not accustomed to, they often react as primitive animals do, which is with violence.

so IMO I think the Akita would have attacked OJS or the killer(s)
if he was outside during the attacks.


http://www.kerrysteigerwalt.com/public/californiadogbite/akita.html
and
http://www.sddefenselawyers.com/cadogbitelawyer/akitaattacks.html

sassylassy, the articles you posted links to support the belief that Simpson's Akita would have probably attacked the killer, if it wasn't Simpson. Simpson was the dog's master, there is no way it would attack him. It reacted with barking that was described as, confused, panicky, high barking, strange, very loud, persistent, a significant pitch, plaintive wail, unhappy.

bobaugust

[socaldiva]

*snip*
sassylassy, the articles you posted links to support the belief that Simpson's Akita would have probably attacked the killer, if it wasn't Simpson.

I agree. I saw nothing in either article that says Akita's turn on the owner(s).
I'd say it would be rare than ANY breed would do that.

[martin II]

you seem to have insight to rehab facility rules that some of us do not. How long after you're in rehab can you make outside calls? Do the rules vary by facility?

weezer
rules do very from one rehab to others.My cousin was in daytop. Daytop does not allow outside contact/phone calls with residents until two weeks or more and they have what they call family visits after that.
To some degree it depends on the length of the persons stay.

Others require the clients to make a approved list of family members(2-3) when they enter and family members can call in but the client cannot call out.

martin II

[martin II]

sassylassy, the articles you posted links to support the belief that Simpson's Akita would have probably attacked the killer, if it wasn't Simpson. Simpson was the dog's master, there is no way it would attack him. It reacted with barking that was described as, confused, panicky, high barking, strange, very loud, persistent, a significant pitch, plaintive wail, unhappy.

bobaugust

bob
i think it depends on two things.
1. the breed lines of the dog
JAPANESE OR AMERICAN AKITA.
2. THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE DOG.

Some of these dogs are natural fighters of other dogs , some are
natural guard dogs and some even attack unknown children.

Some that are not pure blood have been matched with german shepards.
That is why the 'AKITA RESCUSE' organization suggest that owners work
with breeders before the purchase to be sure that the dog is temperament
tested so as to be matched with the family.(easy temperamant where
children are involved etc

So without this specific information on nicoles dog it is difficult to know
what the dog would have done. imo
martin II

[martin II]

9:35 - Nicole calls the restaurant and asks to speak to Ron Goldman, her friend. No one heard the conversation between the two but it's widely assumed that Nicole asked Ron to drop the glasses off as her house was easily passed on his way home.

weezer

i don't think rom would have to pass by nicoles to get to his house as he lived on Gorham i think i will look.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer

i don't think rom would have to pass by nicoles to get to his house as he lived on Gorham i think i will look.

martin II

weezer
according to the map by wagner , from the resturant ron live in the opposite direction to nicoles house so he was not dropping by on his way home.

martin II

[martin II]

based on the the Akitas temperment-"they represent the third most likely dog to bite or attack unprovoked"

when Akitas experience situations they are not accustomed to, they often react as primitive animals do, which is with violence.

so IMO I think the Akita would have attacked OJS or the killer(s)
if he was outside during the attacks.


http://www.kerrysteigerwalt.com/public/californiadogbite/akita.html
and
http://www.sddefenselawyers.com/cadogbitelawyer/akitaattacks.html


sassy hi

Since the house was quiet and it is said that nicole was planning to go to bed, i think the dog would be in or near the childrens room, half sleep or sleep up stairs.

When nicole went out the door, the dog realized she had done so and waited, half sleep for her to return. When she did not return in 3-4-5- minutes
or more, he went to the door looking for her and this is when he found her at the bottom of the steps.

If the coronor estimate killing time is 1 1/2 minutes, then the killers had already left and there was no face off between dog and killers.


martin II

[weezer]

weezer
rules do very from one rehab to others.My cousin was in daytop. Daytop does not allow outside contact/phone calls with residents until two weeks or more and they have what they call family visits after that.
To some degree it depends on the length of the persons stay.

Others require the clients to make a approved list of family members(2-3) when they enter and family members can call in but the client cannot call out.

martin II

thanks but sassy was able to answer about the actual facility where faye was in rehab and it looks like their rules were pretty slack.

[weezer]

sassy hi

Since the house was quiet and it is said that nicole was planning to go to bed, i think the dog would be in or near the childrens room, half sleep or sleep up stairs.

When nicole went out the door, the dog realized she had done so and waited, half sleep for her to return. When she did not return in 3-4-5- minutes
or more, he went to the door looking for her and this is when he found her at the bottom of the steps.

If the coronor estimate killing time is 1 1/2 minutes, then the killers had already left and there was no face off between dog and killers.


martin II

that's a bunch of 'ifs' --

or maybe the dog was with her when orenthal attacked and thus started the barking that went on loud and long. And, since the barking was going on when Heidstra heard Ron's "Hey, hey, hey," I don't guess the killer had left yet.

[weezer]

weezer
according to the map by wagner , from the resturant ron live in the opposite direction to nicoles house so he was not dropping by on his way home.

martin II

hmmm -- I don't know enough about it to be offering more than what I'm able to read on the subject. However, maybe the fact that the post was "could easily" might be the key to thinking Ron would drop the glasses off on his way home.

[martin II]

that's a bunch of 'ifs' --

or maybe the dog was with her when orenthal attacked and thus started the barking that went on loud and long. And, since the barking was going on when Heidstra heard Ron's "Hey, hey, hey," I don't guess the killer had left yet.

weezer

maby

There is a lot of confusion on this issue.

1. we do not know who yelled hey hey hey amd who the other voice
belonged to.

2. Some people heard the dog barking as early as 10;15. This could be because the dog was moving around from bundy,dorothy and bundy and gorham.

martin II

[martin II]

hmmm -- I don't know enough about it to be offering more than what I'm able to read on the subject. However, maybe the fact that the post was "could easily" might be the key to thinking Ron would drop the glasses off on his way home.

wezre

ron lived east of the resturant. Nicole lived west of the resturant. ron would have to walk east from the resturant to get home and drive west to get to nicoles house and park on dorothy.

He would then have to walk from dorothy around the corner to nicoles front
gate where he could have been attacked from behind by a killer hiding in the bushes where the mail box was as he stood facing the gate.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
So without this specific information on nicoles dog it is difficult to know
what the dog would have done. imo


I think we established quite some time ago that you don't know much about dogs. American, Japanese or whatever, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that dogs typically do not attack their owners.

[martin II]

I thought faye knew during that phone call?
perhaps you are correct
I will see if I can come across any details :read:

sassy hi

Cora testified that faye resnick told her that during faye's conversaiton with nicole on 6/12 at about 9;30 nicole told faye that ron was comming over.

coras testimony.

Q: You had no information about him being there except what you heard in the media afterwards. Right?

A: Right. And also what Faye told me.

Q: What did Faye tell you?

A: Faye told me that --

Q: Can you speak up, please?

A: Faye told me that Ron was going to be there that evening, and that -- that was it.

Q: When did Faye tell you this?

A: That day that Faye and I had coffee in Starbucks.

Q: After Nicole's death?

A: Yes.

Q: How long afterwards?

A: I don't know. Week, two weeks after. Oh, no. She told me at the funeral, when we were in the car.

Q: And she said to you that Ron Goldman was what?

A: Ron Goldman. Because she spoke -- Faye spoke to Nicole, she said, around 9:30, and that Faye had told -- I mean Nicole had told Faye that Ron Goldman was coming.

Q: At 9:30.

A: Yeah. No, that's what Faye told me. They spoke around 9:30.

Q: And in that conversation Nicole told Faye that Ron Goldman was coming over.

A: Right.

Q: Did she say -- did Faye tell you why Ron Goldman was coming over?

A: Well, Faye told me that he was going -- she was going to see if he's good, and then if he's good, that they were going to do the three thing, the threesome thing.

Q: Faye told you that if who's good? I'm confused. Could you relate that conversation to me again?

A: They were trying to -- Faye told me that Nicole was going to try Ron Goldman and...

[martin II]

hmmm -- I don't know enough about it to be offering more than what I'm able to read on the subject. However, maybe the fact that the post was "could easily" might be the key to thinking Ron would drop the glasses off on his way home.


wezer
this is what i got from your post.

"as her house was easily passed on his way home"

note "was easily PASSED on his way home.
martin II

[weezer]

sassy hi

Cora testified that faye resnick told her that during faye's conversaiton with nicole on 6/12 at about 9;30 nicole told faye that ron was comming over.

coras testimony.

Q: You had no information about him being there except what you heard in the media afterwards. Right?

A: Right. And also what Faye told me.

Q: What did Faye tell you?

A: Faye told me that --

Q: Can you speak up, please?

A: Faye told me that Ron was going to be there that evening, and that -- that was it.

Q: When did Faye tell you this?

A: That day that Faye and I had coffee in Starbucks.

Q: After Nicole's death?

A: Yes.

Q: How long afterwards?

A: I don't know. Week, two weeks after. Oh, no. She told me at the funeral, when we were in the car.

Q: And she said to you that Ron Goldman was what?

A: Ron Goldman. Because she spoke -- Faye spoke to Nicole, she said, around 9:30, and that Faye had told -- I mean Nicole had told Faye that Ron Goldman was coming.

Q: At 9:30.

A: Yeah. No, that's what Faye told me. They spoke around 9:30.

Q: And in that conversation Nicole told Faye that Ron Goldman was coming over.

A: Right.

Q: Did she say -- did Faye tell you why Ron Goldman was coming over?

A: Well, Faye told me that he was going -- she was going to see if he's good, and then if he's good, that they were going to do the three thing, the threesome thing.

Q: Faye told you that if who's good? I'm confused. Could you relate that conversation to me again?

A: They were trying to -- Faye told me that Nicole was going to try Ron Goldman and...

is this the same cora you quoted regarding whether or not orenthal ever bought Nicole a lighter? The same Cora that said orenthal posted no smoking signs in the bathroom? The same cora who was sleeping with the grocery boy and having her friend lie for her? The same cora who made at least one out of town trip with orenthal after the murders? That cora?

[martin II]

is this the same cora you quoted regarding whether or not orenthal ever bought Nicole a lighter? The same Cora that said orenthal posted no smoking signs in the bathroom? The same cora who was sleeping with the grocery boy and having her friend lie for her? The same cora who made at least one out of town trip with orenthal after the murders? That cora?

weezer

I will correct you AGAIN.

I don't think i ever posted a quote of coras about cigarette lighter or about oj posting any sign. If i did show me and i can agree or not.
I don't know if any out of town trip with oj but it is possible.They were friends and so were their children.

Right before cora's testimony about nicoles intentions with Ron on 6/12, she discussed her affair with the grocery boy as you call him and she tells why.

She also stated that nicole was not pleased that she was having this affair and that she, cora was not pleased that nicole was having lesbian affairs with Faye Resnick. They were both aware of each others displeasure.

martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*She also stated that nicole was not pleased that she was having this affair and that she, cora was not pleased that nicole was having lesbian affairs with Faye Resnick.

how about you show me where that statement is martin? or is this just another victim bashing that you take such great pleasure in?

[martin II]

*Snipped*

how about you show me where that statement is martin? or is this just another victim bashing that you take such great pleasure in?

weezer


i thought you had read coras deposition. if not read it now and you will see the comment.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer


i thought you had read coras deposition. if not read it now and you will see the comment.
martin II

I've read cora's deposition and I don't remember seeing anything about her discussing her displeasure with Nicole about lesbian affairs. How about you help me out and post it for me?

[martin II]

*Snipped*

how about you show me where that statement is martin? or is this just another victim bashing that you take such great pleasure in?

weezer

here is what you asked for.
Cora deposition.

there is more.


BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: You may answer. You were having a sexual relationship with Nicole during the month of May --

A: With Nicole, no, I was not having a sexual relationship with Nicole.

Q: -- with Terrence during the month of May of 1994. Correct?

A: Yes.

Q: And Nicole did not approve of it, and she told you that. Correct?

A: Yes.

Q: And she thought that it would ruin your family. Correct?

A: No, she didn't say that. She said that, "Be careful because Ron might find out."

Q: And if --

A: And I said to her, "You have to watch out with what you're doing," because at that time she was doing this threesome and she was having a lesbian affair with Faye, and I didn't approve of that. So that was what was happening.

So Terrence became my friend and my confidante at the time. That's why I became close to Terrence.

Q: Now, you said that Nicole didn't approve of what you were doing, and you didn't approve of what Nicole was doing.

A: Yes.

---------------------------------

A: Well, at that time I assumed it was an ongoing thing because she said that she did it with Brett three times, so -- and Faye was there a lot on Bundy, so I assumed that they were doing it.

Q: That was your assumption, right, that --

A: Faye confirmed it to me.

Q: Oh, Faye told --

A: After -- when Nicole died, she confirmed it to me that, yes, she was, and she was embarrassed about the whole thing.

Q: Faye confirmed to you that she was having a romantic relationship with Nicole on multiple occasions?

A: Not on multiple occasions --

Q: More than once?


martin II

[bobaugust]

bob
i think it depends on two things.
1. the breed lines of the dog
JAPANESE OR AMERICAN AKITA.
2. THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE DOG.

Some of these dogs are natural fighters of other dogs , some are
natural guard dogs and some even attack unknown children.

Some that are not pure blood have been matched with german shepards.
That is why the 'AKITA RESCUSE' organization suggest that owners work
with breeders before the purchase to be sure that the dog is temperament
tested so as to be matched with the family.(easy temperamant where
children are involved etc

So without this specific information on nicoles dog it is difficult to know
what the dog would have done. imo
martin II

martin II, the articles talk about an Akita's nature to bite people other than their master. They are very extremely loyal dogs and there is no evidence Simpson's Akita ever had any kind of problems with him, Nicole, or his children.

bobaugust

[martin II]

cora fishman.

THE WlTNESS: Yes, because Faye was there almost every day.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: What days was Faye there, Miss Fischman?

A: What days?

Q: Yes.

A: I don't remember, but every time I would go upstairs -- every time I would go there when we would go out for a run, Faye was upstairs sleeping.

Q: Give me the days that she was there. Can you name them?

A: Oh, I don't remember.

Q: Give me the weeks.

A: Oh, I don't remember.

Q: So you can't tell us a single day that Faye Resnick was sleeping over at Nicole's house.

MR. BAKER: Argumentative.

THE WITNESS: Faye and I -- I mean Nicole and I ran at least three or four times a day, so I assume every time I was there, she was there. I mean, in fact even -- she even called us upstairs, Cici and I. She says, you know, "Go upstairs and look where Faye is."

I said, "Where is she?"

"She's sleeping. " And Nicole said, "Doesn't she look cute?" and Cici and I look at each other.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: But you don't have any knowledge about how many nights she

[bobaugust]

sassy hi

Since the house was quiet and it is said that nicole was planning to go to bed, i think the dog would be in or near the childrens room, half sleep or sleep up stairs.

When nicole went out the door, the dog realized she had done so and waited, half sleep for her to return. When she did not return in 3-4-5- minutes
or more, he went to the door looking for her and this is when he found her at the bottom of the steps.

If the coronor estimate killing time is 1 1/2 minutes, then the killers had already left and there was no face off between dog and killers.


martin II

martin II, Robert Heidstra's testimony and all the known physical evidence contradicts your speculation. Dr. Golden never made a time estimate as to how long the murders took.

bobaugust

[martin II]

martin II, the articles talk about an Akita's nature to bite people other than their master. They are very extremely loyal dogs and there is no evidence Simpson's Akita ever had any kind of problems with him, Nicole, or his children.

bobaugust

bob

Known to be a quiet dog that can be an excellent house dog, Akitas have quite a dark side. Because they are relatively primitive dogs, their pack instinct can be highly overdeveloped. If they are separated from their masters, or left alone for prolonged periods of time, they can develop "personality quirks." Akitas frequently dig up yards, attack smaller pets, and can fail to discern threats to their master or their family.

Unfortunately, this means that these large and powerful dogs attack people they know or come onto their owner's property without their knowledge. Akitas have one of the highest unprovoked bite incident ratings of all dogs throughout the United States, and because they are so strong and tenacious, the damage they can inflict can cause physical and mental scars that can last a lifetime.

[martin II]

martin II, Robert Heidstra's testimony and all the known physical evidence contradicts your speculation. Dr. Golden never made a time estimate as to how long the murders took.

bobaugust

bob
ok
who was it that estimated that the killings took 1 1/2 minutes.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

here is what you asked for.
Cora deposition.

there is more.


BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: You may answer. You were having a sexual relationship with Nicole during the month of May --

A: With Nicole, no, I was not having a sexual relationship with Nicole.

Q: -- with Terrence during the month of May of 1994. Correct?

A: Yes.

Q: And Nicole did not approve of it, and she told you that. Correct?

A: Yes.

Q: And she thought that it would ruin your family. Correct?

A: No, she didn't say that. She said that, "Be careful because Ron might find out."

Q: And if --

A: And I said to her, "You have to watch out with what you're doing," because at that time she was doing this threesome and she was having a lesbian affair with Faye, and I didn't approve of that. So that was what was happening.

So Terrence became my friend and my confidante at the time. That's why I became close to Terrence.

Q: Now, you said that Nicole didn't approve of what you were doing, and you didn't approve of what Nicole was doing.

A: Yes.

---------------------------------

A: Well, at that time I assumed it was an ongoing thing because she said that she did it with Brett three times, so -- and Faye was there a lot on Bundy, so I assumed that they were doing it.

Q: That was your assumption, right, that --

A: Faye confirmed it to me.

Q: Oh, Faye told --

A: After -- when Nicole died, she confirmed it to me that, yes, she was, and she was embarrassed about the whole thing.

Q: Faye confirmed to you that she was having a romantic relationship with Nicole on multiple occasions?

A: Not on multiple occasions --

Q: More than once?


martin II

does it makeyou feel all warm and fuzzy that you can post this cr@p? the fact that an adulterer, drug abuser, and the person accused of butchering her are the people who are speaking out about her lifestyle does not move me.

[weezer]

cora fishman.

THE WlTNESS: Yes, because Faye was there almost every day.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: What days was Faye there, Miss Fischman?

A: What days?

Q: Yes.

A: I don't remember, but every time I would go upstairs -- every time I would go there when we would go out for a run, Faye was upstairs sleeping.

Q: Give me the days that she was there. Can you name them?

A: Oh, I don't remember.

Q: Give me the weeks.

A: Oh, I don't remember.

Q: So you can't tell us a single day that Faye Resnick was sleeping over at Nicole's house.

MR. BAKER: Argumentative.

THE WITNESS: Faye and I -- I mean Nicole and I ran at least three or four times a day, so I assume every time I was there, she was there. I mean, in fact even -- she even called us upstairs, Cici and I. She says, you know, "Go upstairs and look where Faye is."

I said, "Where is she?"

"She's sleeping. " And Nicole said, "Doesn't she look cute?" and Cici and I look at each other.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: But you don't have any knowledge about how many nights she

yep -- sounding like a real credible witness to me -- NOT

[socaldiva]

bob

Known to be a quiet dog that can be an excellent house dog, Akitas have quite a dark side. Because they are relatively primitive dogs, their pack instinct can be highly overdeveloped. If they are separated from their masters, or left alone for prolonged periods of time, they can develop "personality quirks." Akitas frequently dig up yards, attack smaller pets, and can fail to discern threats to their master or their family.

Unfortunately, this means that these large and powerful dogs attack people they know or come onto their owner's property without their knowledge. Akitas have one of the highest unprovoked bite incident ratings of all dogs throughout the United States, and because they are so strong and tenacious, the damage they can inflict can cause physical and mental scars that can last a lifetime.


You've already posted this information & it has NOTHING to do with Akitas turning on their owners. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

yep -- sounding like a real credible witness to me -- NOT

weezer

You asked me if i was bashing the victim and then asked for the testimony.

Whether you think Cora is credible is not the issue. That is her testimony.
She was in a better position to know the activities of Faye, nicole and herself than you. imo

I find her testimony to be quite credible and understand that you may be inclined to dismiss it as it does show a side of nicole that you have not been inclined to discuss or accept.

you may want to read faye's testimony again.
martin II

[martin II]

does it makeyou feel all warm and fuzzy that you can post this cr@p? the fact that an adulterer, drug abuser, and the person accused of butchering her are the people who are speaking out about her lifestyle does not move me.

weezer

i have no interest in moving you. You asked for Cora's testimony and i gave it to you.
martin II

[martin II]

does it makeyou feel all warm and fuzzy that you can post this cr@p? the fact that an adulterer, drug abuser, and the person accused of butchering her are the people who are speaking out about her lifestyle does not move me.

weezer

Adulterers and drug abusers can tell the truth about issues just like anyone else.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

Adulterers and drug abusers can tell the truth about issues just like anyone else.
martin II

they know THEIR truth and looking from the outside, none of the three were credible.

[2L8 4A D8]

I think we established quite some time ago that you don't know much about dogs. American, Japanese or whatever, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that dogs typically do not attack their owners.

Yeah Diva, Martin is just a one man sitting at the computer 24/7 encylopedia isn't he? Now it's Akitas! Wow! However, in order to be knowledgeable of something or anything, you have to be credible first! :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

Yeah Diva, Martin is just a one man sitting at the computer 24/7 encylopedia isn't he? Now it's Akitas! Wow! However, in order to be knowledgeable of something or anything, you have to be credible first! :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

I know & it appears as though he doesn't quite understand the contents of the link that he posted. :tongue:

[martin II]

they know THEIR truth and looking from the outside, none of the three were credible.

i would not call Cora a outsider and faye was definately a insider.

Cora was a very close friend to Nicole. Faye had become a close friend, but i don't think she had nicoles welfare in mind. That was a odd relationship.


I understand that this truth/testimony may be just too much for some to accept and that it can be easier to just be in denial.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

weezer

Adulterers and drug abusers can tell the truth about issues just like anyone else.
martin II


Yes, they absolutely can ... which means that Faye can tell the truth just as well as anyone else but you've got no issue claiming her not credible because of what you call her frequent coke use.

Huh. Imagine that.

[Kayleighjo]

This is such a sad, very horrible case. The two were killed so brutally, it was so cruel! It was an obvious over kill..I hate OJ!

Reasons I believe OJ killed them:

1. His previous abuse on Nichole.

2. That fake suicide letter. So fake, he just wanted us to feel sorry for him.

3. OJ's hair being found on Ronald Goldman's shirt.

4. Simpson had fresh cuts on his hand the day of the murder.

5. Blood was found in Simpson's home.

6. The gloves, one at Simpson's home, the other the murder scene.

7. His flight out of town; in response to Nichole's death.

8. Simpson doesn't seem to express any interest in catching the "Real" killer.

9. His jailhouse confession.

10. In trial he pretended the gloves couldn't fit his hand. If he had nothing to hide, why lie?

This guy deserves to die--in the gas chamber. It would not bother me to wake one day and learn that he was tied to a railroad track and run over by a train.

Well whaddya know ... this from the same chick who said (before she was originally deleted from this forum) that the jury was right for letting OJ go.

Will wonders never cease.

[weezer]

Well whaddya know ... this from the same chick who said (before she was originally deleted from this forum) that the jury was right for letting OJ go.

Will wonders never cease.

LOL -- ain't it just grand to see this one wander back through --:tongue:

[Kayleighjo]

I NEVER said that jury had the right to let him go..Since I was 9 years old I've been wanting OJ on death row--get ya facts straight..I've ALWAYS thought he was guilty..The most I said about that jury was that I didn't think they made their decision based on his race..I NEVER said they had the right to let him go..I don't know if you have me mixed with someone else or you just don't know how to read, or read things the way YOU want..but get that straight--I am VERY much against OJ..

Save it hun ... we all read the thread.

[Kayleighjo]

Even though that thread was deleted I found a way to get to it..Go to this link: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:XEO1FugozYUJ:boards.crimelibrary.co m/showthread.php%3Ft%3D280616%26page%3D2+oj+i+hate+h im+beautifulone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

That goes to show how good people can read these days. A thread titled "OJ--I hate him" means the jury was RIGHT for letting him go.

Where's the first page of the thread?

[Kayleighjo]

No, you just can't read..In fact, the title of my thread was "OJ--I hate him".. I remember "lilbit" and "William_Anthony" questioning me asking me why I think the jury aquitted him..I said "they simply thought he was innocent"..I did say I didn't think it was racial..So you save and stop depressing yourself because you definitely are not stressing me..Anybody who can read know that I thread titled "OJ--I hate him" was started by a person who thinks he is guilty.

Save and stop depressing myself? LOL, what's that even mean?

This from the chick who couldn't understand anything anyone was saying to the point where ya had to ask them to use smaller words.

[Kayleighjo]

I'm still searching for the first page, regardless--you see the title of the thread..OJ--I HATE HIM...

I am done with this issue, I proved myself, I will not respond to anything else you say on this senseless, petty subject.


You proved nothing, it doesn't even show the whole thread. :punch:

[martin II]

Even though that thread was deleted I found a way to get to it..Go to this link: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:XEO1FugozYUJ:boards.crimelibrary.co m/showthread.php%3Ft%3D280616%26page%3D2+oj+i+hate+h im+beautifulone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

That goes to show how good people can read these days. A thread titled "OJ--I hate him" means the jury was RIGHT for letting him go.

BO

McAfee has detected a potential phishing Web site. at the link you provided.

They believe that this site request sensitive informaiton which can be used to commit fraud.

Not sure exactly what this means. do you?

SO i am not able to view what ever is in your link.
martin II

[weezer]

Maybe the jury was right for letting him go--another free black man :lol:

We don't need this crap -- Reporting.

[Kayleighjo]

Maybe the jury was right for letting him go--another free black man :lol:

Right on target with your other dumb comments.

[martin II]

We don't need this crap -- Reporting.

reporting??
she thinks oj is guilty.

martin II

[weezer]

reporting??
she thinks oj is guilty.

martin II

really?

Originally Posted by BeautifulOne
Maybe the jury was right for letting him go--another free black man

[martin II]

really?

Originally Posted by BeautifulOne
Maybe the jury was right for letting him go--another free black man


by''BO
I NEVER said that jury had the right to let him go..Since I was 9 years old I've been wanting OJ on death row--get ya facts straight..I've ALWAYS thought he was guilty..The most I said about that jury was that I didn't think they made their decision based on his race..I NEVER said they had the right to let him go..I don't know if you have me mixed with someone else or you just don't know how to read, or read things the way YOU want..but get that straight--I am VERY much against OJ..

[martin II]

We don't need this crap -- Reporting.

WEEZER

BO
She is intitled to her opinion without you feeling the need to report her. she did not call anyone any names. she is a g by the way.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

She is intitled to her opinion without you feeling the need to report her. she did not call anyone any names. she is a g by the way.

martin II

You don't seem to understand what was posted, so why not stay out of the mix? :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I certainly am entitled to my own opinion..

Posting an opinion is one thing, posting things just to inflame other posters is another. IMO

[2L8 4A D8]

Save and stop depressing myself? LOL, what's that even mean?

This from the chick who couldn't understand anything anyone was saying to the point where ya had to ask them to use smaller words.

Right on, Kay! And isn't this the same gal who said that she either didn't know or hadn't met any racist black people? Uh huh! LOL! All IMO!

[2L8 4A D8]

You proved nothing, it doesn't even show the whole thread. :punch:

Kay, I think that she just searched through all of her posts and posted the first post; it's just a post, that's it! Not the whole Thread that she started. Good gawd!

[packy]

Maybe it's time to read the jury's instructions again. I personally believe the jury followed them to the best of their ability.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas62.htm

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>
You must not have clicked on the link.

#1, You're Off Topic. This is "A Killer Among Us" Thread re: the Article. Not you and your "I Hate OJ Thread and I think that the Jury did this and the Jury didn't do that Thread. Take it someplace else!

#2, I wasn't posting to you, duh! And, like you, I have a right to my opinion whether you like it or not!

#3, I don't go into anyone's Links that I don't know and I am certainly not going to Google and cache anything from the likes of you.

#4, Your flipping and flopping from one side to the other re: OJ's guilt doesn't help your credibility any, which at this point is way beyond zero.

#5, Yes, you do come here just to incite and inflame Posters with your nastiness. You're like dealing with a little child in kindergarten and their temper tantrums!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Posting an opinion is one thing, posting things just to inflame other posters is another. IMO

ITA Diva! Have you noticed her new Signature Line? She comes on here starting a Thread entitled "I Hate OJ", which is deleted in its entirety and now she states, "---Kudos to O.J Simpson..You won the fight and the battle..I'd love to have you on my side of a war!" (Insert puke icon here!)

Phoney ~ A person that does not have genuine intentions!

POSTERS BEWARE!

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

ITA Diva! Have you noticed her new Signature Line? She comes on here starting a Thread entitled "I Hate OJ", which is deleted in its entirety and now she states, "---Kudos to O.J Simpson..You won the fight and the battle..I'd love to have you on my side of a war!" (Insert puke icon here!)

Phoney ~ A person that does not have genuine intentions!

POSTERS BEWARE!

JMO and MOO!!

I agree. No geniune intentions at all. Just here to incite & inflame others. If she's looking to have Orenthal on her side in a war, she better hope he's not armed! :biggrin:

[socaldiva]

He wouldn't attack me--I'm black..

So was his first wife & word is he smacked her around ;)

[AmyW]

Just wanted to say how frustrating it is to come into the thread only to see this. I'm struggling my way through the whole "OJ" saga, trying to read all the posts as fast as I can so that I don't repeat what someone else has already stated. I'm interested in this debate, but I'm way behind and this kind of nonsense doesn't help.

[socaldiva]

He smacked her around---perhaps she deserved it..Or maybe those are just rumors..Regardless, I know blacks are more vicious towards whites then they are to blacks, so he wouldn't attack me too badly..

You are so obvious. You have no geniune interest in this board. You are simply here to incite & inflame. How bored you must be. :seeya:

[socaldiva]

*snip* .And you can read in their post that they have anger towards me....

Gee...do you think it has anything to do with the nonsense that you post? :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

.I do not have any personal interest in any of you....

My opinion is that you just show up to make these threads about you, rather than the topic at hand.

My prediction is that you won't be around long ;)

:seeya: :seeya:

[socaldiva]

*snip*I do not see why you keep giving me your opinion; don't you see it's like talking to a brick wall? ..

Yeah, a brick wall that continues to post :lol:

[One2Snoop]

Since you have your PM's turned off I must make my feelings about your tagline public....

Your tagline really disgusts me and I will not participate in any discussion with you - period. OJ deserves no Kudos - Puke. I'm putting you on ignore. :mad:

[2L8 4A D8]

No, bored is one who takes personal interest in a total stranger, or have personal anger towards a stranger..When I dislike or disagree, I simply press the ignore button, to sit and attempt to debunk (I can't be beat by the way)...shows personal affection..No poster on this board attracts me personally.

From Day 1 you came on this Board with an attitude and a big, huge chip on your shoulder. I have noticed that you're all over these Boards crying for all of the children who are tortured and murdered. Which is all well and good, but then you ruin all of your good works by thinking nothing of giving Kudos to the likes of OJ Simpson who is the double-murderer of two innocent people, one of them being the Mother of his children! And then you justify that it's okay by saying that because you're black so he won't hurt you. Good gawd! GMAB!!!

You need to get over yourself because you're not ALL that and for the life of me, I can't figure out who ever told you that you were! :eek:

JMO and MOO!

[2L8 4A D8]

Since you have your PM's turned off I must make my feelings about your tagline public....

Your tagline really disgusts me and I will not participate in any discussion with you - period. OJ deserves no Kudos - Puke. I'm putting you on ignore. :mad:

Good for you in speaking up! Thanks! :beer:

[Martyrdom]

2L8_48_D8....That what you just posted made no sense at all; you just type to see your words in print..How can you say it's "just a post and not a whole thread" when the link has post's from William_Anthony, kate_sachel, socaldiva, lilbit, and others..That's an entire thread, it is the whole page of thread 2...You say I "Searched through all of my post"..let me tell you just why that makes no sense: THAT ENTIRE THREAD WAS DELETED! Hahaha! That thread can no longer be accessed through CrimeLibrary. You'd have to cache the post through google, and for some reason google didn't cache the 1 nor 3 page of that thread..Really, that post of yours sounded stupid. You must not have clicked on the link.

Laughin' so hard my gut hurts ... at whatta idiot ya sound like. Ya only posted page 2 of the whole stupid thread and then you're all tryin' to say that other folks can't read or that they sound stupid and all. I don't think you got any idea 'bout how stupid you sound ... but that's the kinda folk you are.

You obviously are thinkin' you're some cutie beauty queen judgin' from some of your postings on previous threads but if your avatar is who ya are then .... eewww huneeeey, ya better clean off your mirror and take yourself another look.

[Martyrdom]

From Day 1 you came on this Board with an attitude and a big, huge chip on your shoulder. I have noticed that you're all over these Boards crying for all of the children who are tortured and murdered. Which is all well and good, but then you ruin all of your good works by thinking nothing of giving Kudos to the likes of OJ Simpson who is the double-murderer of two innocent people, one of them being the Mother of his children! And then you justify that it's okay by saying that because you're black so he won't hurt you. Good gawd! GMAB!!!

You need to get over yourself because you're not ALL that and for the life of me, I can't figure out who ever told you that you were! :eek:

JMO and MOO!

She's got that big 'ol chip on her shoulder cause she can't stand the fact that she's a "mixed" gal both black and white ... it obviously screws her on up.

I'm guessin' she hates her white part judgin' from her lame posts about how ain't no black racist exists at the same time making another lame post about how blacks are more vicious againt whites and all.

[Kayleighjo]

From Day 1 you came on this Board with an attitude and a big, huge chip on your shoulder. I have noticed that you're all over these Boards crying for all of the children who are tortured and murdered. Which is all well and good, but then you ruin all of your good works by thinking nothing of giving Kudos to the likes of OJ Simpson who is the double-murderer of two innocent people, one of them being the Mother of his children! And then you justify that it's okay by saying that because you're black so he won't hurt you. Good gawd! GMAB!!!

You need to get over yourself because you're not ALL that and for the life of me, I can't figure out who ever told you that you were! :eek:

JMO and MOO!

And this is the basis of why I love you 2L8!

:beer:

[socaldiva]

Oh..you expected me to stop?..Haha, funny..

What was funny was referring to yourself as a brick wall ;)

[William Anthony]

She's got that big 'ol chip on her shoulder cause she can't stand the fact that she's a "mixed" gal both black and white ... it obviously screws her on up.

I'm guessin' she hates her white part judgin' from her lame posts about how ain't no black racist exists at the same time making another lame post about how blacks are more vicious againt whites and all.

Humans are all mixed-so I guess we are all screwed up. They say that necessity is the mother of invention. I would theorize that the invention of Black racists was a necessity sired from America's history of its treatment toward Blacks.

[Kayleighjo]

I would theorize that the invention of Black racists was a necessity sired from America's history of its treatment toward Blacks.

What about African tribes who had their own slaves from other tribes they conquered? Or the Indians who conquered other Indians tribes? Don't blame White America for the racist actions of other people.

[William Anthony]

What about African tribes who had their own slaves from other tribes they conquered? Or the Indians who conquered other Indians tribes? Don't blame White America for the racist actions of other people.

I was not blaming White America for the racist actions of others. I was blaming America for its racism. America was the first nation with a written constitution. In the preamble to that constitution are written the words that "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights". America made a promise. When the Supreme Court of the United States stated words to the effect that blacks were not considered civilized by the civilized world at the time of the constitution and, if the founders had included Blacks they would have faced condemnation of the civilized world, and that Blacks had not rights that Whites were duty bound to respect and when the laws agreed that Whites had done no wrong when they sold Black children, rapped their women, beat, killed and maimed them for seeking the independence for which the founding forefathers had fought, I think this was the necessity that sired the Black racists in order to gain the equality America promised but denied them. This is what I meant. I do not agree with racism. I do however understand how it could have been invented through necessity.

[weezer]

I was not blaming White America for the racist actions of others. I was blaming America for its racism. America was the first nation with a written constitution. In the preamble to that constitution are written the words that "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights". America made a promise. When the Supreme Court of the United States stated words to the effect that blacks were not considered civilized by the civilized world at the time of the constitution and, if the founders had included Blacks they would have faced condemnation of the civilized world, and that Blacks had not rights that Whites were duty bound to respect and when the laws agreed that Whites had done no wrong when they sold Black children, rapped their women, beat, killed and maimed them for seeking the independence for which the founding forefathers had fought, I think this was the necessity that sired the Black racists in order to gain the equality America promised but denied them. This is what I meant. I do not agree with racism. I do however understand how it could have been invented through necessity.

that was then and this is now -- How about we get back on topic?

[William Anthony]

that was then and this is now -- How about we get back on topic?

The now is the result of the then. If you desire to stay on topic, perhaps, you should send Martydom a pm asking him/her to keep on topic as this is the post that started the conversation.

She's got that big 'ol chip on her shoulder cause she can't stand the fact that she's a "mixed" gal both black and white ... it obviously screws her on up.

I'm guessin' she hates her white part judgin' from her lame posts about how ain't no black racist exists at the same time making another lame post about how blacks are more vicious againt whites and all.

[weezer]

The now is the result of the then. If you desire to stay on topic, perhaps, you should send Martydom a pm asking him/her to keep on topic as this is the post that started the conversation.

She's got that big 'ol chip on her shoulder cause she can't stand the fact that she's a "mixed" gal both black and white ... it obviously screws her on up.

I'm guessin' she hates her white part judgin' from her lame posts about how ain't no black racist exists at the same time making another lame post about how blacks are more vicious againt whites and all.

and you felt the need to re-post that cr@p why?

[Kayleighjo]

The now is the result of the then. If you desire to stay on topic, perhaps, you should send Martydom a pm asking him/her to keep on topic as this is the post that started the conversation.

She's got that big 'ol chip on her shoulder cause she can't stand the fact that she's a "mixed" gal both black and white ... it obviously screws her on up.

I'm guessin' she hates her white part judgin' from her lame posts about how ain't no black racist exists at the same time making another lame post about how blacks are more vicious againt whites and all.

Based on what you posted though I'd say that it was BeautifulOne who started the conversation since Martyrdom was apparently replying to her statement that no black racist people exist.

[William Anthony]

and you felt the need to re-post that cr@p why?

I like you believe his/her post was crap. Shall we report it?

[Kayleighjo]

I never said racist blacks didn't exist..I said I have never met any..That's what I said..You really need read before you speak..


Uh yeah you did ... from your "I hate OJ" thread that YOU reposted:

BeautifulOne
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 63

There aren't any racist blacks..All blacks are kosher...

Go back and read it. After all, you're the one who googled it and found it.

Guess I read just fine.

[William Anthony]

Based on what you posted though I'd say that it was BeautifulOne who started the conversation since Martyrdom was apparently replying to her statement that no black racist people exist.

Martydom may have been replying to her statement, but it was he/she who undoubtedly made the racial remarks as to her parentage and his assertion that she hates her white parts. However, it has been suggested that we remain O/T.

[weezer]

can we call for a bouncer? :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

can we call for a bouncer? :rolleyes:

Careful, that word may cause you some trouble.

[Kayleighjo]

Umm, you and everybody know that the comment was just a slick response and I didn't mean it. He/She sent me a stupid message, so I sent a stupid message back. When people ask or say stupid things to me, I respond accordingly. I don't take ignorant questions seriously. I say whatever I can to upset the person asking. I have never met a racist black person, it would still be stupid for me to extrapolate from my experience that there are no racist black people. I know that some of my ancestors were racist--but I never met them.


I have no way of knowing what you mean or don't mean so quit tyring to cover up the fact that you tried to say that you never said such a thing when you obviously did. Feel free to claim all you want now that you didn't mean it.

[martin II]

Martydom may have been replying to her statement, but it was he/she who undoubtedly made the racial remarks as to her parentage and his assertion that she hates her white parts. However, it has been suggested that we remain O/T.

William

I am wonder if there are any posters here that know that they have no black, indian or asian blood in their veins mixed with white.

martin II

[socaldiva]

I did mean it--there aren't any racist blacks alive today..All of the racist blacks died..


Gee, you've changed your tune yet AGAIN. From 11:30 this morning:


I never said racist blacks didn't exist..I said I have never met any..That's what I said..You really need read before you speak..

[martin II]

I like you believe his/her post was crap. Shall we report it?

william

Did weezer just call martydoms post CRAP??
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

I'm glad you take interest and pay extra attention to me--but sorry; your suggestions/opinions doesn't count.:lol: I am beautiful, been beautiful, and will die BEAUTIFUL! In fact, I'm going to change my signature to remind everyone of how beautiful I am...See, it's not what YOU see in me, it's what I KNOW of me: beauty!

You only changed your Signature Line because it made you look like the hypocrite that you truly are. I sure didn't see you make your apologies for using that Signature Line. It's amazing that you go around boo hooing over all of the tortured and murdered children on these Boards and these Threads, but then give all of those same tortured and murdered children a BIG slap in the face by giving Kudos to the likes of double-murdering OJ Simpson! Yeah, that says quite a lot about you and your character!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

And this is the basis of why I love you 2L8!

:beer:

:seeya: Thanks Kay! I love you too!

[2L8 4A D8]

Umm, you and everybody know that the comment was just a slick response and I didn't mean it. He/She sent me a stupid message, so I sent a stupid message back. When people ask or say stupid things to me, I respond accordingly. I don't take ignorant questions seriously. I say whatever I can to upset the person asking. I have never met a racist black person, it would still be stupid for me to extrapolate from my experience that there are no racist black people. I know that some of my ancestors were racist--but I never met them.

When things just don't go your way, you throw one of your childish temper tantrums! Who wants to deal with and post to a temper tantrum throwing child on an adult forum? Not me and I hope that other posters won't want to either!

NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE COMMENT WAS JUST A SLICK RESPONSE AND I DIDN'T MEAN IT. Really? Uh huh! Too late, you can't take it back! :punch:

HE/SHE SENT ME A STUPID MESSAGE, SO I SENT A STUPID MESSAGE BACK! Yeah, and two wrongs don't make a right either! It's just a typical childlish temper tantrum throwing response! Good move! :punch:

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

Since the house was quiet and it is said that nicole was planning to go to bed, i think the dog would be in or near the childrens room, half sleep or sleep up stairs.

When nicole went out the door, the dog realized she had done so and waited, half sleep for her to return. When she did not return in 3-4-5- minutes
or more, he went to the door looking for her and this is when he found her at the bottom of the steps.

If the coronor estimate killing time is 1 1/2 minutes, then the killers had already left and there was no face off between dog and killers.


martin II


good point, I would guess things went down the same way too :beer:

[sassylassy]

sassylassy, the articles you posted links to support the belief that Simpson's Akita would have probably attacked the killer, if it wasn't Simpson. Simpson was the dog's master, there is no way it would attack him. bobaugust


I would have to disagree on this one with you bob :)

based on the facts I posted & my understanding of them is that the dog would attack anyone (even kids) so imo I think the dog would have attacked
OJS or the killer(s)..

imo of course :)

[sassylassy]

bob
i think it depends on two things.
1. the breed lines of the dog
JAPANESE OR AMERICAN AKITA.
2. THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE DOG.

Some of these dogs are natural fighters of other dogs , some are
natural guard dogs and some even attack unknown children.

Some that are not pure blood have been matched with german shepards.
That is why the 'AKITA RESCUSE' organization suggest that owners work
with breeders before the purchase to be sure that the dog is temperament
tested so as to be matched with the family.(easy temperamant where
children are involved etc

So without this specific information on nicoles dog it is difficult to know
what the dog would have done. imo
martin II

Kato looks like an "American Akita" to me.....:read:

http://dl.dogomania.com/pics/22/amika3.jpg

(imo they are really beautiful looking dogs)

[sassylassy]

thanks but sassy was able to answer about the actual facility where faye was in rehab and it looks like their rules were pretty slack.


just for the record :read:

I have no idea if the rules are different based on the needs of patient
to patient.

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

Cora testified that faye resnick told her that during faye's conversaiton with nicole on 6/12 at about 9;30 nicole told faye that ron was comming over.

coras testimony.

Q: You had no information about him being there except what you heard in the media afterwards. Right?

A: Right. And also what Faye told me.

Q: What did Faye tell you?

A: Faye told me that --

Q: Can you speak up, please?

A: Faye told me that Ron was going to be there that evening, and that -- that was it.

Q: When did Faye tell you this?

A: That day that Faye and I had coffee in Starbucks.

Q: After Nicole's death?

A: Yes.

Q: How long afterwards?

A: I don't know. Week, two weeks after. Oh, no. She told me at the funeral, when we were in the car.

Q: And she said to you that Ron Goldman was what?

A: Ron Goldman. Because she spoke -- Faye spoke to Nicole, she said, around 9:30, and that Faye had told -- I mean Nicole had told Faye that Ron Goldman was coming.

Q: At 9:30.

A: Yeah. No, that's what Faye told me. They spoke around 9:30.




Thanks Martin- I knew I heard this before somewhere!:beer:

[sassylassy]

martin II, the articles talk about an Akita's nature to bite people other than their master. They are very extremely loyal dogs and there is no evidence Simpson's Akita ever had any kind of problems with him, Nicole, or his children.

bobaugust


we do know that kato would take off out the Bundy gate :shrug:
& fight with the other dog!

maybe there are other things we dont know about?

imo jmo

[sassylassy]

So was his first wife & word is he smacked her around ;)


Thats not a proven fact :no:

[sassylassy]

Just wanted to say how frustrating it is to come into the thread only to see this. I'm struggling my way through the whole "OJ" saga, trying to read all the posts as fast as I can so that I don't repeat what someone else has already stated. I'm interested in this debate, but I'm way behind and this kind of nonsense doesn't help.

Welcome to the OJS thread!:beer:

[sassylassy]

He smacked her around---perhaps she deserved it..Or maybe those are just rumors..Regardless, I know blacks are more vicious towards whites then they are to blacks, so he wouldn't attack me too badly..

I must say!

thats a really bad post & not to mention completely off topic!:no:

IMO JMO

[bobaugust]

we do know that kato would take off out the Bundy gate :shrug:
& fight with the other dog!

maybe there are other things we dont know about?

imo jmo

sassylassy, what other dog do you know of that the Akita could have fought with that night?

bobaugust

[sassylassy]

sassylassy, what other dog do you know of that the Akita could have fought with that night?

bobaugust


I wasnt talking about that night, I was talking about the dogs behavior in general ....

[socaldiva]

*snip*
based on the facts I posted & my understanding of them is that the dog would attack anyone (even kids) so imo I think the dog would have attacked
OJS or the killer(s)..


Really? When did Kato attack the Simpson children, or anyone else??

[2L8 4A D8]

can we call for a bouncer? :rolleyes:

Martin has already received that job!

[martin II]

I wasnt talking about that night, I was talking about the dogs behavior in general ....

sassy
i understood you to be talking in general not specifically about 6/12.

The Akita will attack other dogs and unknown children.

martin II

[martin II]

Kato looks like an "American Akita" to me.....:read:

http://dl.dogomania.com/pics/22/amika3.jpg

(imo they are really beautiful looking dogs)

sassy
kato was a America Akita.

It is a very beautiful and valuable dog. I like that triangle shape face.,It does require constant retraining according to the Akita Rescue Organization.

martinii

[martin II]

Thanks Martin- I knew I heard this before somewhere!:beer:

Sassy
Cora, in her testimony gives more details, acording to faye,about Nicoles plans
with Ron on 6/12 when he came over.
martin II

[William Anthony]

William

I am wonder if there are any posters here that know that they have no black, indian or asian blood in their veins mixed with white.

martin II

Martin,

I believe we have already engaged in that discussion and that the proof is that all races originated from people of color, with Africa being the location for the Garden of Eden.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
The Akita will attack other dogs and unknown children.



So will most any dog, under the right circumstances. The point is, Kato didn't attack anyone that night & the reason is that OJ was the attacker!

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by martin II
William

I am wonder if there are any posters here that know that they have no black, indian or asian blood in their veins mixed with white.

martin II

WTH does this have to do with anything? Nothing, that's what :rolleyes:

[martin II]

Take what back? I am not trying to take anything back..You think I care about being called a racist? HAHA, if I care'd I wouldn't have a site dedicated to BLACK kids-- www.MissingBlackAngels.com

That site shows that I do NOT care to be called "Racist"..A site dedicated to one race is segration/discrimination..and the author would have to be a person disregards viewer opinions..That's what I do..So I am NOT trying to take anything back, call me racist, call me whatever..Read my signature..

Beautiful one
congratulations on your web site. I think it is great. Good looking family also.

martin II

[martin II]

Hi..Thanks! Which family are you referring to?? I assume you saw my family page??

bo
yes from your family page. Lots of happy looking people.
martin II

[sassylassy]

Really? When did Kato attack the Simpson children, or anyone else??

I never said Kato attacked the Simpson children or anyone else :no:

I'm explaining the characteristics of behavior that type of breed is known to display. :read:

[sassylassy]

sassy
The Akita will attack other dogs and unknown children.

martin II

This is what I'm reading too :read:

[Suzee10]

Umm, you and everybody know that the comment was just a slick response and I didn't mean it. He/She sent me a stupid message, so I sent a stupid message back. When people ask or say stupid things to me, I respond accordingly. I don't take ignorant questions seriously. I say whatever I can to upset the person asking. I have never met a racist black person, it would still be stupid for me to extrapolate from my experience that there are no racist black people. I know that some of my ancestors were racist--but I never met them.


You have never met a racist black person because you are not white. I have met racist of all colors, that is just the way it is. I am not a racist because I have learned over the years people are the same no matter what color but that does mean there are not racists among all colors. I do not judge anyone, especially because of the color of their skin. There are bad people of all colors.

[sassylassy]

sassy
kato was a America Akita.

It is a very beautiful and valuable dog. I like that triangle shape face.,It does require constant retraining according to the Akita Rescue Organization.

martinii


I agree, Kato looks to be an America Akita.:read:

the face reminds me of german sheppard :)

Kato:
http://us.cnn.com/US/9610/25/simpson/kato.dog.jpg

Akita pic:
http://dl.dogomania.com/pics/22/amika3.jpg

[AmyW]

Welcome to the OJS thread!:beer:

Thank you! :beer:

I'm still trying to sort through the posts, skipping over the childish BS and read only the debate. Not an easy task! :eek:

[Suzee10]

Hi..Thanks! Which family are you referring to?? I assume you saw my family page??


I went to your website and it is awesome. It is heart wretching to see all of the beautiful faces of young people that have been so brutally murdered. I was in tears. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend Cynteria. She had such a hard life and then to meet such a sad and horrible end, it breaks my heart. I applaud your efforts. I work with domestic violence victims and I know what it is to see pain and hearbreak in families.

[sassylassy]

snip*

www.MissingBlackAngels.com



Hi BO

I admire what you are doing!...your site is really beautiful & moving!:beer:
you are such a cutie pie ;)

[sassylassy]

snip*

I do not judge anyone, especially because of the color of their skin. There are bad people of all colors.

I agree.

anyone ever see the movie crash :shrug:

http://www.crashfilm.com/

[sassylassy]

Thank you!

I'm still trying to sort through the posts, skipping over the childish BS and read only the debate. Not an easy task!

No probs ;)

I'm wondering...who's that in your picture?:seeya:

[AmyW]

The man in my avatar is Dr. Michael Baden.

Dr. Michael M. Baden is a Board-certified, forensic pathologist who is a co-Director of the New York State Police Medicolegal Investigation Unit. From 1961 to 1986, Dr. Baden worked in the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in New York City and was the Chief Medical Examiner from 1978 to 1979. He was also the Deputy Chief Medical Examiner for Suffolk County from 1981 to 1983. He has held professorial appointments at Albert Einstein Medical School, Albany Medical College, New York Law School and John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

He was the chairman of the Forensic Pathology Panel of the U.S. Congress Select Committee on Assassinations that investigated the deaths of president John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Dr. Baden has been involved as an expert in forensic pathology in many cases of international interest including:


The examination of the remains of Tsar Nicholas of Russia and his family
The Claus Von Bulow murder trial
Marlon Brando's son's murder trial
Dr. Baden has been involved as an expert witness for the defense in the O.J. Simpson trial
The re-autopsy of Medgar Evers, Civil Rights leader
The death of Billy Martin (New York Yankees)
The deaths of Mary Beth Tinning's nine children
The re-examination of the Lindberg Kidnapping and murder
Autopsies of the victims of TWA Flight 800


During his career, Dr. Baden has been published in numerous national and international medical journals. He also published a factual account of several of his cases in the book Unnatural Death, Confessions of a Medical Examiner and was the subject for 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000 HBO specials that highlighted several of his interesting cases demonstrating the value of forensic sciences allied with solid police investigative techniques in homicide investigation.


http://www.practicalhomicide.com/bio/bioBADEN.htm

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/dead_reckoning_1.html

[martin II]

The man in my avatar is Dr. Michael Baden.

Dr. Michael M. Baden is a Board-certified, forensic pathologist who is a co-Director of the New York State Police Medicolegal Investigation Unit. From 1961 to 1986, Dr. Baden worked in the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in New York City and was the Chief Medical Examiner from 1978 to 1979. He was also the Deputy Chief Medical Examiner for Suffolk County from 1981 to 1983. He has held professorial appointments at Albert Einstein Medical School, Albany Medical College, New York Law School and John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

He was the chairman of the Forensic Pathology Panel of the U.S. Congress Select Committee on Assassinations that investigated the deaths of president John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Dr. Baden has been involved as an expert in forensic pathology in many cases of international interest including:


The examination of the remains of Tsar Nicholas of Russia and his family
The Claus Von Bulow murder trial
Marlon Brando's son's murder trial
Dr. Baden has been involved as an expert witness for the defense in the O.J. Simpson trial
The re-autopsy of Medgar Evers, Civil Rights leader
The death of Billy Martin (New York Yankees)
The deaths of Mary Beth Tinning's nine children
The re-examination of the Lindberg Kidnapping and murder
Autopsies of the victims of TWA Flight 800


During his career, Dr. Baden has been published in numerous national and international medical journals. He also published a factual account of several of his cases in the book Unnatural Death, Confessions of a Medical Examiner and was the subject for 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000 HBO specials that highlighted several of his interesting cases demonstrating the value of forensic sciences allied with solid police investigative techniques in homicide investigation.


http://www.practicalhomicide.com/bio/bioBADEN.htm

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/dead_reckoning_1.html

i remember him from his work in New York City.
martin II

[AmyW]

He's been around awhile, and has been in some pretty high-profile cases! I've followed his career and bought what books he has written. I have also been an avid fan of his "HBO Autopsy" series. :)

[AmyW]

Again, forgive me. I'm sure these questions have been asked and discussed, but I'm honestly going insane trying to read the many, many pages of posts. I feel more confused than ever.

1. How did OJ ever explain the deep cut on his hand? If I'm not mistaken, he gave several conflicting stories, and as I'm sure has been stated, if you cut your hand badly, you know how you did it.

2. What was his reason for the Bronco fiasco? What was he apologizing for?

3. Did he really deny ever harming Nicole when there are pictures proving that he beat her in the past and was capable of violence?

[martin II]

Again, forgive me. I'm sure these questions have been asked and discussed, but I'm honestly going insane trying to read the many, many pages of posts. I feel more confused than ever.

1. How did OJ ever explain the deep cut on his hand? If I'm not mistaken, he gave several conflicting stories, and as I'm sure has been stated, if you cut your hand badly, you know how you did it.

2. What was his reason for the Bronco fiasco? What was he apologizing for?

3. Did he really deny ever harming Nicole when there are pictures proving that he beat her in the past and was capable of violence?

Amyw

I will try to answer

1. oj cut his hand in the chicago hotel room on a broken glass when he was told of nicoles murder. on 6/12 night he said he noticed his finger bleeding some as he was in his kitchen and suggest that he must have cut it while retreiving items from his Bronco as he was preparing to leave for the airport.

2. Trip in the Bronco. He and AC said they went to nicoles grave to visit.

3. When he and nicole faught in 1989 he took 100% responsibility for the
incident.

martin II

[bobaugust]

Again, forgive me. I'm sure these questions have been asked and discussed, but I'm honestly going insane trying to read the many, many pages of posts. I feel more confused than ever.

1. How did OJ ever explain the deep cut on his hand? If I'm not mistaken, he gave several conflicting stories, and as I'm sure has been stated, if you cut your hand badly, you know how you did it.

2. What was his reason for the Bronco fiasco? What was he apologizing for?

3. Did he really deny ever harming Nicole when there are pictures proving that he beat her in the past and was capable of violence?

AmyW,
1. After returning from Chicago the day after the murders, Simpson gave a sworn statement to the police. He was asked about the cut on his finger and he said he cut himself on some glass in his hotel room several hours earlier but he couldn't remember exactly how he did it. When he was asked about blood in his Bronco Simpson made up a lie to the police that he later changed when he fabricated his alibi for the civil trial.

June 13, 1994
Vannatter: How did you get the injury on your hand?
Simpson: I don't know. The first time, when I was in Chicago and all, but at the house I was just running around.
Vannatter: How did you do it in Chicago?
Simpson: I broke a glass. One of you guys had just called me, and I was in the bathroom, and I just kind of went bonkers for a little bit.
Lange: Is that how you cut it?
Simpson: Mmm, it was cut before, but I think I just opened it again, I'm not sure.
Lange: Do you recall bleeding at all in your truck, in the Bronco?
Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco. The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

2. According to the book American Tragedy Simpson was staying at Robert Kardashian's house on the day he was suppose to turn himself over to the police. Before the police arrived Simpson was had his gun and was threatening to commit suicide. When his friend A.C. Cowlings arrived he agreed to drive Simpson to the Bel Aire Church where Simpson had previously lived across the street from and had been married, so he could kill himself there. A short time later Simpson called Kardashian and told him he had put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger but the pistol malfunctioned.

3. Simpson would never say he hit Nicole only that he was responsible for her injuries.

bobaugust

[martin II]

AmyW,
1. After returning from Chicago the day after the murders, Simpson gave a sworn statement to the police. He was asked about the cut on his finger and he said he cut himself on some glass in his hotel room several hours earlier but he couldn't remember exactly how he did it. When he was asked about blood in his Bronco Simpson made up a lie to the police that he later changed when he fabricated his alibi for the civil trial.

June 13, 1994
Vannatter: How did you get the injury on your hand?
Simpson: I don't know. The first time, when I was in Chicago and all, but at the house I was just running around.
Vannatter: How did you do it in Chicago?
Simpson: I broke a glass. One of you guys had just called me, and I was in the bathroom, and I just kind of went bonkers for a little bit.
Lange: Is that how you cut it?
Simpson: Mmm, it was cut before, but I think I just opened it again, I'm not sure.
Lange: Do you recall bleeding at all in your truck, in the Bronco?
Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco. The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

2. According to the book American Tragedy Simpson was staying at Robert Kardashian's house on the day he was suppose to turn himself over to the police. Before the police arrived Simpson was had his gun and was threatening to commit suicide. When his friend A.C. Cowlings arrived he agreed to drive Simpson to the Bel Aire Church where Simpson had previously lived across the street from and had been married, so he could kill himself there. A short time later Simpson called Kardashian and told him he had put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger but the pistol malfunctioned.

3. Simpson would never say he hit Nicole only that he was responsible for her injuries.

bobaugust

Bob

The book American Tragedy was not entered into testimony in the trial so this is the authors opinion of what happened not facts testified to in the trial.
martin II

[bobaugust]

Bob

The book American Tragedy was not entered into testimony in the trial so this is the authors opinion of what happened not facts testified to in the trial.
martin II

American Tragedy, Forward

"This book is a factual account of the defense of O.J. Simpson in his criminal trial and the civil action that followed, and is directly based on personal interviews, documents, court transcripts, and other material I obtained while researching this work. More than three dozen people involved in the two trials were interviewed, nineteen face to face, in 240 separate conversations. Nine subjects sat with me for more than fourteen hours each. The transcripts of my interviews total more than 23,000 pages.

The information for this book comes from the collected memories of those interviewed and from my own observations since the early days of the case. As I have noted elsewhere in this book, I began my formal interviews in September 1995. In most cases the people I interviewed kept personal notes and diaries from the first days of their involvement in the case, and at their memories were supported by these notes and other written material.

Since this is a book about the Simpson defense, I have not attempted to interview the prosecution team in the criminal trial, some of whom have published or will publish their own books and would have been understandably reluctant to share strategies with me." Lawrence Schiller.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Again, forgive me. I'm sure these questions have been asked and discussed, but I'm honestly going insane trying to read the many, many pages of posts. I feel more confused than ever.

<snipped>

Hi Amy!

To properly answer your 3 questions you will have to decide which side you believe more. The Posters who think that OJ is Guilty or the Posters who think that OJ is Not Guilty. :shrug:

JMO and MOO!!

[AmyW]

Thanks for the responses, guys! :)

[martin II]

"BeautifulOne;8824767]My intention was not to inflame/offend you..my apology if I did..I actually did not mean that statement "another free black man'


Let me be the first to say, you aren't beautiful, at all as a matter of fact, you're kinda gross really, and you DID offend me as a person, apologize....apologize, kiss my bum, apologize.


heres a pic of me by the way

http://http://www.bobbyworks.com/images/Ugly%20Guy.gif


CHEESE

For some reason your picture did not post on my computer.:shrug:

martin II

[William Anthony]

Again, forgive me. I'm sure these questions have been asked and discussed, but I'm honestly going insane trying to read the many, many pages of posts. I feel more confused than ever.

1. How did OJ ever explain the deep cut on his hand? If I'm not mistaken, he gave several conflicting stories, and as I'm sure has been stated, if you cut your hand badly, you know how you did it.

2. What was his reason for the Bronco fiasco? What was he apologizing for?

3. Did he really deny ever harming Nicole when there are pictures proving that he beat her in the past and was capable of violence?

You must decide whether or not the prosecution proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt. There was never any contradiction on how he cut his hand in regard to the finger that was badly cut.

Imho, your other two questions are not relevant to proving the accusation that he killed two people or to Nicole's murder.

[tazzybaby]

HOW OJ SIMPSON'S DOG PROVED HE DID IT

The only known living witness to the Nicole Simpson murder is Kato. The dog, that is, not Kato Kaelin. But why didn't Kato (the dog, or the one with brushed hair), try to stop the murder, and why did he behave so oddly afterwards?
Why didn't the Akita attack the killer that night? The dog probably not only knew the killer, but the killer was a boss to him or he would have attacked him. If the killer is also a boss to the dog, he becomes confused, doesn't know who to defend, and does nothing. "An Akita will attack someone harming his family unless it's another dominant household member," says Barbara Bouyet, national coordinator of the Akita Rescue Society of America, and author of Akita: Treasure of Japan.
How else did the dog prove that OJ did it? People who have dogs know that when they come home, their dogs greet them warmly. But OJ's dog barked angrily at him when he saw him right after the murder.
When OJ arrived back home in his white Bronco after the famous chase, the Akita, who had been taken to OJ's home, did not act normal. He did not greet O.J., or go up to anyone in the car. "Instead, that dog looked into the car, stiffened, backed up, barked, and backed up again when he saw OJ," says Bouyet who watched the scene on local TV.
Why did the dog show such defensive behavior? "I don't believe that an Akita would ever behave that way toward someone unless that person had done something very bad," she says.
Did Nicole's Akita do anything else incriminating after the murder? People reported that they heard strange howls of a confused and anguished dog. "These are quiet dogs," says Bouyet. "They hunt silently like cats. I think he was confused because the person attacking his mistress was not an outsider."

http://www.grandtimes.com/dogs.html

[tazzybaby]

Amyw

I will try to answer

1. oj cut his hand in the chicago hotel room on a broken glass when he was told of nicoles murder. on 6/12 night he said he noticed his finger bleeding some as he was in his kitchen and suggest that he must have cut it while retreiving items from his Bronco as he was preparing to leave for the airport.

2. Trip in the Bronco. He and AC said they went to nicoles grave to visit.

3. When he and nicole faught in 1989 he took 100% responsibility for the
incident.

martin II


Hi Martin,

I just wanted to point out a few things....

1. OJ himself said he cut his finger/hand before he left for Chicago. And, his blood was found in the bronco. And, he suggested that since he cut his hand before he left that was how it got there.

2. He and AC were gone waaaaaaayyyy too long to only go to Nicoles grave. And, they didn't go in either.

3. OJ didn't take responsiblity. He NEVER admitted to hitting her. Even though Nicole said he did.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I just wanted to point out a few things....

1. OJ himself said he cut his finger/hand before he left for Chicago. And, his blood was found in the bronco. And, he suggested that since he cut his hand before he left that was how it got there.

2. He and AC were gone waaaaaaayyyy too long to only go to Nicoles grave. And, they didn't go in either.

3. OJ didn't take responsiblity. He NEVER admitted to hitting her. Even though Nicole said he did.

tazzy hi
i dissagree with you post.
However. when you talk about oj not taking responsibility for hitting nicole,
that is a non issue as he was not charged with some previous abuse. he was charged with murder. noting more.

martin II

[sassylassy]

The man in my avatar is Dr. Michael Baden.
SNIP***
]


Thanks for the info ;)

[sassylassy]

HOW OJ SIMPSON'S DOG PROVED HE DID IT

The only known living witness to the Nicole Simpson murder is Kato. The dog, that is, not Kato Kaelin. But why didn't Kato (the dog, or the one with brushed hair), try to stop the murder, and why did he behave so oddly afterwards?
Why didn't the Akita attack the killer that night? The dog probably not only knew the killer, but the killer was a boss to him or he would have attacked him. If the killer is also a boss to the dog, he becomes confused, doesn't know who to defend, and does nothing. "An Akita will attack someone harming his family unless it's another dominant household member," says Barbara Bouyet, national coordinator of the Akita Rescue Society of America, and author of Akita: Treasure of Japan.
How else did the dog prove that OJ did it? People who have dogs know that when they come home, their dogs greet them warmly. But OJ's dog barked angrily at him when he saw him right after the murder.
When OJ arrived back home in his white Bronco after the famous chase, the Akita, who had been taken to OJ's home, did not act normal. He did not greet O.J., or go up to anyone in the car. "Instead, that dog looked into the car, stiffened, backed up, barked, and backed up again when he saw OJ," says Bouyet who watched the scene on local TV.
Why did the dog show such defensive behavior? "I don't believe that an Akita would ever behave that way toward someone unless that person had done something very bad," she says.
Did Nicole's Akita do anything else incriminating after the murder? People reported that they heard strange howls of a confused and anguished dog. "These are quiet dogs," says Bouyet. "They hunt silently like cats. I think he was confused because the person attacking his mistress was not an outsider."

http://www.grandtimes.com/dogs.html

This is according to Bouyet. Not based on any facts.imo moo.

btw was Kato running around the grounds free when ojs returned or was he tied up?

imo imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*
btw was Kato running around the grounds free when ojs returned or was he tied up?



IIRC, he was loose & backed & up acted weird when he saw it was OJ.

[Suzee10]

HOW OJ SIMPSON'S DOG PROVED HE DID IT

The only known living witness to the Nicole Simpson murder is Kato. The dog, that is, not Kato Kaelin. But why didn't Kato (the dog, or the one with brushed hair), try to stop the murder, and why did he behave so oddly afterwards?
Why didn't the Akita attack the killer that night? The dog probably not only knew the killer, but the killer was a boss to him or he would have attacked him. If the killer is also a boss to the dog, he becomes confused, doesn't know who to defend, and does nothing. "An Akita will attack someone harming his family unless it's another dominant household member," says Barbara Bouyet, national coordinator of the Akita Rescue Society of America, and author of Akita: Treasure of Japan.
How else did the dog prove that OJ did it? People who have dogs know that when they come home, their dogs greet them warmly. But OJ's dog barked angrily at him when he saw him right after the murder.
When OJ arrived back home in his white Bronco after the famous chase, the Akita, who had been taken to OJ's home, did not act normal. He did not greet O.J., or go up to anyone in the car. "Instead, that dog looked into the car, stiffened, backed up, barked, and backed up again when he saw OJ," says Bouyet who watched the scene on local TV.
Why did the dog show such defensive behavior? "I don't believe that an Akita would ever behave that way toward someone unless that person had done something very bad," she says.
Did Nicole's Akita do anything else incriminating after the murder? People reported that they heard strange howls of a confused and anguished dog. "These are quiet dogs," says Bouyet. "They hunt silently like cats. I think he was confused because the person attacking his mistress was not an outsider."

http://www.grandtimes.com/dogs.html


Good Job Tazzy!!!! Great to see you again.

[2L8 4A D8]

HOW OJ SIMPSON'S DOG PROVED HE DID IT

The only known living witness to the Nicole Simpson murder is Kato. The dog, that is, not Kato Kaelin. But why didn't Kato (the dog, or the one with brushed hair), try to stop the murder, and why did he behave so oddly afterwards?
Why didn't the Akita attack the killer that night? The dog probably not only knew the killer, but the killer was a boss to him or he would have attacked him. If the killer is also a boss to the dog, he becomes confused, doesn't know who to defend, and does nothing. "An Akita will attack someone harming his family unless it's another dominant household member," says Barbara Bouyet, national coordinator of the Akita Rescue Society of America, and author of Akita: Treasure of Japan.
How else did the dog prove that OJ did it? People who have dogs know that when they come home, their dogs greet them warmly. But OJ's dog barked angrily at him when he saw him right after the murder.
When OJ arrived back home in his white Bronco after the famous chase, the Akita, who had been taken to OJ's home, did not act normal. He did not greet O.J., or go up to anyone in the car. "Instead, that dog looked into the car, stiffened, backed up, barked, and backed up again when he saw OJ," says Bouyet who watched the scene on local TV.
Why did the dog show such defensive behavior? "I don't believe that an Akita would ever behave that way toward someone unless that person had done something very bad," she says.
Did Nicole's Akita do anything else incriminating after the murder? People reported that they heard strange howls of a confused and anguished dog. "These are quiet dogs," says Bouyet. "They hunt silently like cats. I think he was confused because the person attacking his mistress was not an outsider."

http://www.grandtimes.com/dogs.html

Yes, very good logical post Tazzy! Here's mine, which is also logical. Didn't do any good though because they are still fighting over that they are right and that we are wrong. It's not rocket science. Very simple really. It just takes is common sense! Duh! :shrug:

JMO and MOO!!


Originally Posted by 2L8 4A D8
A key iece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.

[William Anthony]

HOW OJ SIMPSON'S DOG PROVED HE DID IT

The only known living witness to the Nicole Simpson murder is Kato. The dog, that is, not Kato Kaelin. But why didn't Kato (the dog, or the one with brushed hair), try to stop the murder, and why did he behave so oddly afterwards?
Why didn't the Akita attack the killer that night? The dog probably not only knew the killer, but the killer was a boss to him or he would have attacked him. If the killer is also a boss to the dog, he becomes confused, doesn't know who to defend, and does nothing. "An Akita will attack someone harming his family unless it's another dominant household member," says Barbara Bouyet, national coordinator of the Akita Rescue Society of America, and author of Akita: Treasure of Japan.
How else did the dog prove that OJ did it? People who have dogs know that when they come home, their dogs greet them warmly. But OJ's dog barked angrily at him when he saw him right after the murder.
When OJ arrived back home in his white Bronco after the famous chase, the Akita, who had been taken to OJ's home, did not act normal. He did not greet O.J., or go up to anyone in the car. "Instead, that dog looked into the car, stiffened, backed up, barked, and backed up again when he saw OJ," says Bouyet who watched the scene on local TV.
Why did the dog show such defensive behavior? "I don't believe that an Akita would ever behave that way toward someone unless that person had done something very bad," she says.
Did Nicole's Akita do anything else incriminating after the murder? People reported that they heard strange howls of a confused and anguished dog. "These are quiet dogs," says Bouyet. "They hunt silently like cats. I think he was confused because the person attacking his mistress was not an outsider."

http://www.grandtimes.com/dogs.html

Hello Tazzy,

Glad to see your return. There is much logic in your post. However, it seems to begin with the premise that Simpson was the murderer and works backward. There is evidence that someone bled at Bundy, which was not collected (the bloody fingerprint). Therefore, the possibility that the dog did silently attack someone cannot be ruled out.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i dissagree with you post.
However. when you talk about oj not taking responsibility for hitting nicole,
that is a non issue as he was not charged with some previous abuse. he was charged with murder. noting more.

martin II


Hi Martin,

I am not suprised that you disagree with my post :D

However, you are the one who said he did take responsibility. Why would you bring that up then when I show otherwise you you say that he was only charged with murder? Don't use that as some type of character boost and then say it didn't matter. It mattered a lot. And, his abuse showed a different side of Simpson that everyone needed to see to understand why he murdered her.

[tazzybaby]

TazzyBaby, I agree with what you said about the dog...

Thanks! And, I also applaude your website!!

:beer:

[tazzybaby]

This is according to Bouyet. Not based on any facts.imo moo.

btw was Kato running around the grounds free when ojs returned or was he tied up?

imo imo

Hi Sassy,

We can't talk to Kato to ask him if he was mad at OJ but we can look at behavior. The fact is seeing it happen. Especially knowing how loyal Akita's are to their owners. You would think that the Akita would be extra glad to see OJ after what happened to it's other owner.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

Good Job Tazzy!!!! Great to see you again.

Thanks Suzee!

And, I'm glad to see you posting too!!

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

Hello Tazzy,

Glad to see your return. There is much logic in your post. However, it seems to begin with the premise that Simpson was the murderer and works backward. There is evidence that someone bled at Bundy, which was not collected (the bloody fingerprint). Therefore, the possibility that the dog did silently attack someone cannot be ruled out.

Hi William!

I have been so extremely busy!! I am glad to return! There are many possiblities to any murder. But, you have to look beyond just any possibility. Just because one fingerprint wasn't collected does not suggest that there was another person that bled besides the blood of the person who was known to have bled there. Why weren't any of the other blood drops linked to someone other than OJ? Then it would be probable not just possible. There is NO EVIDENCE that the dog attacked or bit anyone. So, there is no plausibility to the theory of the dog attacking someone that left a bloody fingerprint. But, the plausible scenario is that the bloody fingerprint was left by the same person who dropped blood on the gate and on the ground leading out the back. That person just happens to be OJ. The same person who had cuts on his hand which just bolsters the plausibility that it was indeed OJ.