Nina Ingram's Mother Speaks Out!

[FDInLaw]

Watch the interview here:

http://www.4029tv.com/video/10972413/index.html


For those unfamiliar with this case. . . Nina Ingram was found strangled in her Fayetteville, Arkansas apartment April 22, 2006. She was just 21 years old. A college student and loss prevention employee for Wal-Mart. . . she was known for her sweet smile and hard work. Nina is greatly missed by her loved ones and sadly her murder is still unsolved. Not much has been released about this case. To read more see Nina's Court TV thread ~ http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=267824&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 .

[FDInLaw]

Hi, FD~~,

Thank you so much for posting this. I think it's time for people to reach out and help this family. That interview with her mom broke my heart. I know my daughter thinks I'm being unreasonable that I insist she live at home even though she's almost 20 but until I feel she's ready, I'm not letting go. Nina seemed like she was such a Godsend. What a wonderful young lady. I'm so pleased to see that the local LE are taking this personally and seriously. I haven't read yet over on CTV, but is there anything we can do to help, other than pray?

Thanks again, my friend,
Merrick

For Nina and her family:rose:

For LE:rose:

I'm not sure what we can do. This case has haunted me from it's onset. The media has been pretty quiet about it and very little has been released to the public. Nina appeared to be living a low-risk lifestyle. Statistically, her boyfriend would be the first place to look. . . according to LE he was cooperative and was cleared. Could she have been stocked by a sex offender? If this was a sex crime the public has not been informed of it. Her job stands out to me . . . could she have seen something she shouldn't have? Maybe she helped bust someone and this is a revenge killing? There are so many possible directions and this latest news report states she was active on the Internet as well. I'm not sure what to think.

[FDInLaw]

It is baffling. The only explanation would be a random act of violence. But, LE thinks it's personal, according to the video link. I do not like the internet connection. I hate MySpace. I think it's a breeding ground for trouble, but that's just my opinion. Her job and revenge makes sense. Also, she was a beautiful young woman, stalking wouldn't be out of the question, especially since her job would have put her in the public's eye. What about school? I wonder if someone there could have become obessesed with her? My heart and prayers go out to her family. Her mother seemed so broken by this that I just cried seeing her pain. I hope God gives her some relief and comfort, soon.:rose:

Judy Ingram's words and very obvious pain caused me to literally weep. No Mother should have to face the loss of a daughter this way. Though difficult, I believe it was important for her to give this interview and I hope and pray some good leads come as a result.

Yes, school is yet another possible venue. I really feel for the LE! :(

[Brainstorm]

It is baffling. The only explanation would be a random act of violence. But, LE thinks it's personal, according to the video link. I do not like the internet connection. I hate MySpace. I think it's a breeding ground for trouble, but that's just my opinion. Her job and revenge makes sense. Also, she was a beautiful young woman, stalking wouldn't be out of the question, especially since her job would have put her in the public's eye. What about school? I wonder if someone there could have become obessesed with her? My heart and prayers go out to her family. Her mother seemed so broken by this that I just cried seeing her pain. I hope God gives her some relief and comfort, soon.:rose:

Hi FDInLaw & merrick also, I agree about the myspace & such.....we all know or know of horror stories about predators/internet.......and its sad, but some people that go there are really naive & believe everyone else is who they say they are & end up becoming trusting & vunerable....IMO.....even older ones, like Nonnie Dotson...JMHO.........
we need to preach this to our kids mor & more, till we see some results.....IMO
I also pray God will comfort her....JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Maybe this would be a good case to contact America's Most Wanted about?

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/152795/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4807385

http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/33975/

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/155094/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4850299

http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/42397/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5313378

[FDInLaw]

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/152795/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4807385

http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/33975/

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/155094/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4850299

http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/42397/

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5313378

Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[TallaTonight]

Thanks for taking the time to do this!


Such an awsome thought provoking case. I still need to read more, so many of these topics and cases have my head spinning. I just cannot imagine how families live thought these tragic things.

[JR2007]

From reading the link posted above. I'd say she died from strangulation, had her throat cut ( not the cause of death) and was Raped or otherwise sexually attacked. :confused:

[FDInLaw]

From reading the link posted above. I'd say she died from strangulation, had her throat cut ( not the cause of death) and was Raped or otherwise sexually attacked. :confused:
Unless I've missed it, the authorities have not released any information regarding sexual assault. This baffles me. We know LE suspects it was someone she knew and that there was no sign of forced entry. however, one article does state:
"Police say they are also looking into registered sex offenders and parole violators that live in the area to see if they have any connection with Ingram's murder."

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4850299

[hawgustusgloop]

I am curious about what was used to strangle her. IIRC, according to one of those articles the cause of death was strangulation by ligature. I wonder if whatever it was that was used to strangle her came from her apartment or if the killer brought it there.

LE has been so tight-lipped about the details of this crime! I'm sure they have good reasons for it, but maybe releasing a key detail or two may trigger something in someone's mind and could lead to solving the case?

Also, I wonder if any neighbors heard noises? If not, then I would think the killer probably lay in wait for her and ambushed her. You can hear everything in those apartments.

[JR2007]

Unless I've missed it, the authorities have not released any information regarding sexual assault. This baffles me. We know LE suspects it was someone she knew and that there was no sign of forced entry. however, one article does state:
"Police say they are also looking into registered sex offenders and parole violators that live in the area to see if they have any connection with Ingram's murder."

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4850299
Exactly, why would you look at all the Sex offenders in an area if there wasn't something to do with a sex attack. An also they became interested in the other guy when he mentioned something about her throat being cut.

[JR2007]

Unless I've missed it, the authorities have not released any information regarding sexual assault. This baffles me. We know LE suspects it was someone she knew and that there was no sign of forced entry. however, one article does state:
"Police say they are also looking into registered sex offenders and parole violators that live in the area to see if they have any connection with Ingram's murder."

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=4850299
Here is the Quote from one of the links supplied by Hawgustusgloop.
Quote: A Fayetteville man in his 20 s drew the attention of police April 23 when he told officers that Ingram’s throat had been cut.
The man, who lives with his parents, acted “overly interested” in Ingram’s slaying and brought up the topic when police were in his neighborhood on an unrelated call, the affidavit states.

[FDInLaw]

Here is the Quote from one of the links supplied by Hawgustusgloop.
Quote: A Fayetteville man in his 20 s drew the attention of police April 23 when he told officers that Ingram’s throat had been cut.
The man, who lives with his parents, acted “overly interested” in Ingram’s slaying and brought up the topic when police were in his neighborhood on an unrelated call, the affidavit states.

Isn't being "overly interested" or "helpful" a sociopathic characteristic? No wonder this guy aroused some suspicion. The throat comment is just bizarre! :cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

This is confusing but here's the way I understand it:

The guy that acted overly interested that lives with his parents and said her throat had been cut was cleared by an alibi and other supporting evidence.

He is not the same person who was seen looking around the apartments with a flashlight and said his name was "Freddy, as in Kreuger" and talked about Nina's daily routine. The same man was also seen at her funeral. This man has not been cleared, and I am not sure if he has even been located and interviewed.

I am confused a little but that is what I think has happened. Please someone clear this up if I am mistaken.

I guess I should just go back and :read:

[hawgustusgloop]

This is confusing but here's the way I understand it:

The guy that acted overly interested that lives with his parents and said her throat had been cut was cleared by an alibi and other supporting evidence.

He is not the same person who was seen looking around the apartments with a flashlight and said his name was "Freddy, as in Kreuger" and talked about Nina's daily routine. The same man was also seen at her funeral. This man has not been cleared, and I am not sure if he has even been located and interviewed.

I am confused a little but that is what I think has happened. Please someone clear this up if I am mistaken.

I guess I should just go back and :read:

Magnificent post, hawgustusgloop! :D

OK, I went back and read a little more and one of the articles said that the man that was looking around with a flashlight was cooperating with police, but to my knowledge has not been cleared. So he has apparently been located and interviewed.

[JR2007]

Isn't being "overly interested" or "helpful" a sociopathic characteristic? No wonder this guy aroused some suspicion. The throat comment is just bizarre! :cool:
Of course he may be a guy that is slightly mentally slow. We've all known people like this. He could have been just repeating gossip he heard about the case. The police will have to determine all that. Watch it when you say things about people being overly interested or Helpful. That could include all of us. HE HE

[hawgustusgloop]

Here is the Quote from one of the links supplied by Hawgustusgloop.
Quote: A Fayetteville man in his 20 s drew the attention of police April 23 when he told officers that Ingram’s throat had been cut.
The man, who lives with his parents, acted “overly interested” in Ingram’s slaying and brought up the topic when police were in his neighborhood on an unrelated call, the affidavit states.


So, if that guy aroused suspicion by saying her throat had been cut, can we assume that is was?

That is kind of confusing in the scheme of "strangulation by ligature."

This case is so haunting because nothing makes any sense.

[FDInLaw]

Magnificent post, hawgustusgloop! :D

OK, I went back and read a little more and one of the articles said that the man that was looking around with a flashlight was cooperating with police, but to my knowledge has not been cleared. So he has apparently been located and interviewed.


It bothers me that all this information is at least six months old. My impression of the latest interview is that LE is basically back at square one. . . did anyone else sense that? Regardless, I hope this latest news story has yielded some good leads.

[FDInLaw]

Of course he may be a guy that is slightly mentally slow. We've all known people like this. He could have been just repeating gossip he heard about the case. The police will have to determine all that. Watch it when you say things about people being overly interested or Helpful. That could include all of us. HE HE

ITA the guy might have just been a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

P.S. Love your new signature. . . I resemble that remark! :D

[JR2007]

So, if that guy aroused suspicion by saying her throat had been cut, can we assume that is was?

That is kind of confusing in the scheme of "strangulation by ligature."

This case is so haunting because nothing makes any sense.
That was my thought. Why would he arouse suspicion if he was way off base. Maybe she was strangled ,and being afraid she might not be dead, this guy cut her throat too.

[FDInLaw]

I am curious about what was used to strangle her. IIRC, according to one of those articles the cause of death was strangulation by ligature. I wonder if whatever it was that was used to strangle her came from her apartment or if the killer brought it there.

LE has been so tight-lipped about the details of this crime! I'm sure they have good reasons for it, but maybe releasing a key detail or two may trigger something in someone's mind and could lead to solving the case?

Also, I wonder if any neighbors heard noises? If not, then I would think the killer probably lay in wait for her and ambushed her. You can hear everything in those apartments.

Hey,

Can you give us your own description of the apartment's windows. How high are they off the ground; how large are they; are they very visible? Since you lived there, thought it would be nice to get your point of view. Thanks ~ FD

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey,

Can you give us your own description of the apartment's windows. How high are they off the ground; how large are they; are they very visible? Since you lived there, thought it would be nice to get your point of view. Thanks ~ FD

The apartments are arranged quad-style, where there are "walls" of apartments facing the center courtyard area. The center courtyard had some trees and a little play area for kids. There was also a small swimming pool and a building that served as a lounge/laundry/reading room and was where residents' mail boxes were. That center area was not IMO very well-lit at night, so I would never go get my mail if I got home after dark. I lived in a one-bedroom apartment there. The door opened to a small living area/kitchen area. Then there was a door to the bedroom. There was a bathroom, and you had to go into the bedroom to get to it. There was one window, and it was in the bedroom. My window faced a street. It was very close to the road. A lot of apartments' windows faced parking lots for residents. IIRC, my window was not very high off the ground, maybe 3 feet ? It was big enough for just about anybody to crawl through. As I have said before, you could lock the window, but the window could still be pushed open when locked. I was scared every night. IIRC, Nina's apartment was Apt. 1, and if it is where I think it is, the back window faces a resident parking lot with houses behind it. I am not positive about where it is, though. In general, I would say someone could have easily gone in and out of her window in just a few seconds, but it would be risky because people are always coming and going there and would likely notice someone sneaking in or out of a window. I wish I knew for sure where her apartment was.

[FDInLaw]

The apartments are arranged quad-style, where there are "walls" of apartments facing the center courtyard area. The center courtyard had some trees and a little play area for kids. There was also a small swimming pool and a building that served as a lounge/laundry/reading room and was where residents' mail boxes were. That center area was not IMO very well-lit at night, so I would never go get my mail if I got home after dark. I lived in a one-bedroom apartment there. The door opened to a small living area/kitchen area. Then there was a door to the bedroom. There was a bathroom, and you had to go into the bedroom to get to it. There was one window, and it was in the bedroom. My window faced a street. It was very close to the road. A lot of apartments' windows faced parking lots for residents. IIRC, my window was not very high off the ground, maybe 3 feet ? It was big enough for just about anybody to crawl through. As I have said before, you could lock the window, but the window could still be pushed open when locked. I was scared every night. IIRC, Nina's apartment was Apt. 1, and if it is where I think it is, the back window faces a resident parking lot with houses behind it. I am not positive about where it is, though. In general, I would say someone could have easily gone in and out of her window in just a few seconds, but it would be risky because people are always coming and going there and would likely notice someone sneaking in or out of a window. I wish I knew for sure where her apartment was.

Thanks so much for posting those details! I don't live in Fayetteville, but maybe I should drive down there and take a few pictures of the apartment. On Renee Fox's thread someone posted pictures of where her body was found and it really added to the discussion.

[phynickyb]

The apartments are arranged quad-style, where there are "walls" of apartments facing the center courtyard area. The center courtyard had some trees and a little play area for kids. There was also a small swimming pool and a building that served as a lounge/laundry/reading room and was where residents' mail boxes were. That center area was not IMO very well-lit at night, so I would never go get my mail if I got home after dark. I lived in a one-bedroom apartment there. The door opened to a small living area/kitchen area. Then there was a door to the bedroom. There was a bathroom, and you had to go into the bedroom to get to it. There was one window, and it was in the bedroom. My window faced a street. It was very close to the road. A lot of apartments' windows faced parking lots for residents. IIRC, my window was not very high off the ground, maybe 3 feet ? It was big enough for just about anybody to crawl through. As I have said before, you could lock the window, but the window could still be pushed open when locked. I was scared every night. IIRC, Nina's apartment was Apt. 1, and if it is where I think it is, the back window faces a resident parking lot with houses behind it. I am not positive about where it is, though. In general, I would say someone could have easily gone in and out of her window in just a few seconds, but it would be risky because people are always coming and going there and would likely notice someone sneaking in or out of a window. I wish I knew for sure where her apartment was.
Just curious to know if the complex had any cameras. Some apartment buildings install cameras to prevent others from damaging the facilities. It would be of interest to note whether the "Freddy" person had been taped in and out of the complex on a regular basis.

[FDInLaw]

Hey Hawgustusgloop,

Do you happen to remember the address of the apartment complex where Nina was murdered? Just snagged this idea from another site, those of us who have not been there could use Google Earth to get a better idea of the layout, etc.

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey Hawgustusgloop,

Do you happen to remember the address of the apartment complex where Nina was murdered? Just snagged this idea from another site, those of us who have not been there could use Google Earth to get a better idea of the layout, etc.

IIRC it is 701 W. Sycamore in Fayetteville. I am pretty sure that is correct.

[FDInLaw]

IIRC it is 701 W. Sycamore in Fayetteville. I am pretty sure that is correct.

Cool beans. . . thanks for the address!

On Google Earth the lay out appears to be like this. . .

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l - l
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We still have no idea which was Nina's building do we?

[FDInLaw]

Cool beans. . . thanks for the address!

On Google Earth the lay out appears to be like this. . .

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l l
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l - l
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We still have no idea which was Nina's building do we?

Errrrrrr. . . my little lines won't post right! Oh well, check out Google Earth!

[FDInLaw]

BUMPING FOR NINA!

Surely there can be more done to bring attention to this case. Ideas anyone?

:confused:

[JR2007]

BUMPING FOR NINA!

Surely there can be more done to bring attention to this case. Ideas anyone?

:confused:
FD:
When was the last time the local paper ran anything on her story? And what paper is it? Maybe we can get the paper to write another story on her or write an update on where the LE stand. We could bug them to get somethiing moving.

[Anom]

First off, I'm just going to say that I am somebody very close to this story but I am NOT part of law enforcement. I've been following what most of you have been posting for almost a year now but have refrained from posting due to the fact that the investigation naturally is still on going. Some things I know, some things I don't, and others I haven't been told (dectectives are like that). Since it seems some of you truely care, gonna clear up some questions here.

1. There are no camera's in the complex.
2. Some kind of cord/rope was used at great force.
3. Her apt faced inwards (of course) with the back towards the road, not the parking lot.
4. Two windows, one up front living room, one in the back in bedroom, don't remember if there was one in the bathroom, don't think so.
5. There was no sexual assult, no forced entry, nothing stolen. Sexual assult was a question, but after finding out a couple of things this didn't happen.
6. Last newspaper article was in late Dec., nothing new.
7. Front window was unlocked when her brother showed up, he went in that way. Front door was locked.

If you ask me, the police have no idea at this point who did this. It was premeditated and planned out. The state crime lab hasn't found anything. They have been throwing out just about anything and everything; internet, sex offenders, etc etc. Fact of the matter is that they don't know who killed a college girl in a college town, somebody who could pull off what looked like a professional hit, military training or the like. Grasping for straws....

[FDInLaw]

First off, I'm just going to say that I am somebody very close to this story but I am NOT part of law enforcement. I've been following what most of you have been posting for almost a year now but have refrained from posting due to the fact that the investigation naturally is still on going. Some things I know, some things I don't, and others I haven't been told (dectectives are like that). Since it seems some of you truely care, gonna clear up some questions here.

1. There are no camera's in the complex.
2. Some kind of cord/rope was used at great force.
3. Her apt faced inwards (of course) with the back towards the road, not the parking lot.
4. Two windows, one up front living room, one in the back in bedroom, don't remember if there was one in the bathroom, don't think so.
5. There was no sexual assult, no forced entry, nothing stolen. Sexual assult was a question, but after finding out a couple of things this didn't happen.
6. Last newspaper article was in late Dec., nothing new.
7. Front window was unlocked when her brother showed up, he went in that way. Front door was locked.

If you ask me, the police have no idea at this point who did this. It was premeditated and planned out. The state crime lab hasn't found anything. They have been throwing out just about anything and everything; internet, sex offenders, etc etc. Fact of the matter is that they don't know who killed a college girl in a college town, somebody who could pull off what looked like a professional hit, military training or the like. Grasping for straws....

Welcome to the board. . . just today I was wishing that someone close to the investigation would find us. I am local and am serious concerned about how quiet this case is. I heard months ago that there was no sexual abuse from a private source and was concerned greatly. If the motive was not sex then it sure looks like a hit job. . . why would someone want this young girl dead?

Thank you so much for posting! Nina's family sould not have to stand alone. . . I for one am not going to stop asking questions and posting. ~ FD

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

Months ago, when Casey Crowder was first murdered, I started discussing Nina's case with another CTV poster via e-mail. . . "Danny" just wrote and asked me to post this since he can access this site from his work:

"If this information is true the killer knew her.
She knew him well enough she trusted him and let him into her apartment.
He knew her well enough he wasn't interested in sex (no sexual assault),(sex
crime).
She was a lovely girl very attractive.
No burglary, robbery gone bad, no sex crime so what's the motive?
The killer must have been mad, very mad.
He must have felt like Ms Ingram betrayed him
Ligature strangulation is up close and personal.
So who was close to Nina who felt betrayed?"






First off, I'm just going to say that I am somebody very close to this story but I am NOT part of law enforcement. I've been following what most of you have been posting for almost a year now but have refrained from posting due to the fact that the investigation naturally is still on going. Some things I know, some things I don't, and others I haven't been told (dectectives are like that). Since it seems some of you truely care, gonna clear up some questions here.

1. There are no camera's in the complex.
2. Some kind of cord/rope was used at great force.
3. Her apt faced inwards (of course) with the back towards the road, not the parking lot.
4. Two windows, one up front living room, one in the back in bedroom, don't remember if there was one in the bathroom, don't think so.
5. There was no sexual assult, no forced entry, nothing stolen. Sexual assult was a question, but after finding out a couple of things this didn't happen.
6. Last newspaper article was in late Dec., nothing new.
7. Front window was unlocked when her brother showed up, he went in that way. Front door was locked.

If you ask me, the police have no idea at this point who did this. It was premeditated and planned out. The state crime lab hasn't found anything. They have been throwing out just about anything and everything; internet, sex offenders, etc etc. Fact of the matter is that they don't know who killed a college girl in a college town, somebody who could pull off what looked like a professional hit, military training or the like. Grasping for straws....

[Anom]

That's just it, I don't think it was anybody she knew. I think it was a person who just struck a fancy with her and this is something they wanted to do. She never once said anything about somebody giving her grief about anything. In most situations we have indicators that would show even a small level of anger, that wasn't present.

I also don't think it was something that came out of her job. I'm very familiar with this, as I have been involved on many "stops" (what they call catching somebody in Loss Prevention "LP") that included much more violent individuals. She didn't have any violent stops that only included her, but had another LP associate with her and that was at other stores. Most of her arrests at her store came from internal thief.

[FDInLaw]

That's just it, I don't think it was anybody she knew. I think it was a person who just struck a fancy with her and this is something they wanted to do. She never once said anything about somebody giving her grief about anything. In most situations we have indicators that would show even a small level of anger, that wasn't present.

I also don't think it was something that came out of her job. I'm very familiar with this, as I have been involved on many "stops" (what they call catching somebody in Loss Prevention "LP") that included much more violent individuals. She didn't have any violent stops that only included her, but had another LP associate with her and that was at other stores. Most of her arrests at her store came from internal thief.

Please check your private messages.

[FDInLaw]

That's just it, I don't think it was anybody she knew. I think it was a person who just struck a fancy with her and this is something they wanted to do. She never once said anything about somebody giving her grief about anything. In most situations we have indicators that would show even a small level of anger, that wasn't present.

I also don't think it was something that came out of her job. I'm very familiar with this, as I have been involved on many "stops" (what they call catching somebody in Loss Prevention "LP") that included much more violent individuals. She didn't have any violent stops that only included her, but had another LP associate with her and that was at other stores. Most of her arrests at her store came from internal thief.


With no sexual assault, it's highly unlikely that Nina was murdered by someone that did not know her IMO. This is just pure speculation on my part, but it's probably someone that either was very angry or wanted her to be silenced. Maybe Nina had stumbled on something and was about to implicate someone at work? Maybe she found out someone was having an affair? I don't know. . . I'm not convinced that this had nothing to do with her job though. On that same vein of thought, were the police officers she knew checked out as well? Since it appears to have been a professional job. . . I think that rock should be turned over as well. With how quiet things are and the LE's lack of progress, if I were family I would be pleading with the State Police to get involved. JMO

[hawgustusgloop]

First off, I'm just going to say that I am somebody very close to this story but I am NOT part of law enforcement. I've been following what most of you have been posting for almost a year now but have refrained from posting due to the fact that the investigation naturally is still on going. Some things I know, some things I don't, and others I haven't been told (dectectives are like that). Since it seems some of you truely care, gonna clear up some questions here.

1. There are no camera's in the complex.
2. Some kind of cord/rope was used at great force.
3. Her apt faced inwards (of course) with the back towards the road, not the parking lot.
4. Two windows, one up front living room, one in the back in bedroom, don't remember if there was one in the bathroom, don't think so.
5. There was no sexual assult, no forced entry, nothing stolen. Sexual assult was a question, but after finding out a couple of things this didn't happen.
6. Last newspaper article was in late Dec., nothing new.
7. Front window was unlocked when her brother showed up, he went in that way. Front door was locked.

If you ask me, the police have no idea at this point who did this. It was premeditated and planned out. The state crime lab hasn't found anything. They have been throwing out just about anything and everything; internet, sex offenders, etc etc. Fact of the matter is that they don't know who killed a college girl in a college town, somebody who could pull off what looked like a professional hit, military training or the like. Grasping for straws....

Welcome to the boards! I am glad you are posting with us.

You said the back window faced the road. Which road is that? Sycamore or another one?

One thing we could try to do to get Nina's story in the public eye is to maybe email news stations and local papers so that maybe they would air or publish stories on the anniversary of her death.

It is so hard to believe that with all the technology around us that someone could commit this crime in an apartment complex full of people and seemingly get away with it. I hope there will be justice for Nina.:rose:

[JR2007]

That's just it, I don't think it was anybody she knew. I think it was a person who just struck a fancy with her and this is something they wanted to do. She never once said anything about somebody giving her grief about anything. In most situations we have indicators that would show even a small level of anger, that wasn't present.

I also don't think it was something that came out of her job. I'm very familiar with this, as I have been involved on many "stops" (what they call catching somebody in Loss Prevention "LP") that included much more violent individuals. She didn't have any violent stops that only included her, but had another LP associate with her and that was at other stores. Most of her arrests at her store came from internal thief.


Anom, can you tell us or do you know if Nina's throat was cut. When a person is strangled how can you tell if they are dead, for sure, you cut their throat. I guess I'm trying to answer a question I have in my head about why the police were interested, and questioned, the guy who had mentioned that Nina's throat had been cut, if it wasn't.
Another thing, why did the police question known sex offenders if it wasn't sex related???

[Anom]

Autopsy results identified Ingram’s official cause of death as strangulation by ligature, meaning she had been choked by some type of object such as a rope or extension cord.

http://www.nwarktimes.com/story.php?paper=nwat&section=News&storyid=48534

You said the back window faced the road. Which road is that? Sycamore or another one?

One thing we could try to do to get Nina's story in the public eye is to maybe email news stations and local papers so that maybe they would air or publish stories on the anniversary of her death.

Sycamore. As to the second part, I don't think that will be an issue. We have considered bringing it to a larger media base, but that is a call I will let her mother make.

Anom, can you tell us or do you know if Nina's throat was cut.

I cannot say 100% that it wasn't because I don't know for 100%.

They have(are?) talked(talking) to everybody and anybody. I know they have talked to people she worked with (people I know she worked with), people from school, etc etc. In other words, they were covering every angle they could. So it doesn't surprise me that they hauled that guy in who made that comment or any others that we don't know about.

As to the rest, and some concerns expressed to me, anything and everything that I post will either be pulled from public sources or can be gained via public knowledge (i.e. the position of the apt). There are a lot of details that I will not go into, as it is an ongoing investigation.

Otherwise, a lot of it is also speculation on my part as I am in the dark about a lot of things as the rest of you. They are being that tight lipped about it, and there are even a lot of questions her mother has that they will not answer. This is not like the other cases we have had around here in recent years where there was a clear path to who did it and they are taking every step they can not to mess up, like what happened with that poor Nona girl in Russellville.

[JR2007]

Thanks, Anom
We appreciate your thoughts and help. We do not want to jeopardize the case in anyway, but like to get all the answers we can. We would like to see justice for Nina and Nona, is all. The sooner the better. Keeping their cases in the public eye is a way to let their families know that they aren't forgotten and maybe let LE know that people want answers also. I'm sure LE wants an end to this as much as anyone.
Thanks,

[FDInLaw]

http://www.nwarktimes.com/story.php?paper=nwat&section=News&storyid=48534



Sycamore. As to the second part, I don't think that will be an issue. We have considered bringing it to a larger media base, but that is a call I will let her mother make.



I cannot say 100% that it wasn't because I don't know for 100%.

They have(are?) talked(talking) to everybody and anybody. I know they have talked to people she worked with (people I know she worked with), people from school, etc etc. In other words, they were covering every angle they could. So it doesn't surprise me that they hauled that guy in who made that comment or any others that we don't know about.

As to the rest, and some concerns expressed to me, anything and everything that I post will either be pulled from public sources or can be gained via public knowledge (i.e. the position of the apt). There are a lot of details that I will not go into, as it is an ongoing investigation.

Otherwise, a lot of it is also speculation on my part as I am in the dark about a lot of things as the rest of you. They are being that tight lipped about it, and there are even a lot of questions her mother has that they will not answer. This is not like the other cases we have had around here in recent years where there was a clear path to who did it and they are taking every step they can not to mess up, like what happened with that poor Nona girl in Russellville.

Thank you for posting again. . . it is good to have you on the board and we all really appreciate the input you have given. Do you know if there will be more media coverage next month (the one year anniversary)? When I watched the interview Judy Ingram did I was moved to tears. . . it was so powerful. I hope she will push for more media coverage. There are a number of driven facilitators on this board, if ever the family wants help in that area please say the word. No family should have to stand alone during a time like this. . . there are lots of good folks here that would be more than happy to help get the word out about Nina's case.

Praying for justice ~ FD

[hawgustusgloop]

Thank you for posting again. . . it is good to have you on the board and we all really appreciate the input you have given. Do you know if there will be more media coverage next month (the one year anniversary)? When I watched the interview Judy Ingram did I was moved to tears. . . it was so powerful. I hope she will push for more media coverage. There are a number of driven facilitators on this board, if ever the family wants help in that area please say the word. No family should have to stand alone during a time like this. . . there are lots of good folks here that would be more than happy to help get the word out about Nina's case.

Praying for justice ~ FD

I felt SO sad for Nina's mom when I watched that interview, too. IIRC, I read in one of the articles that Judy Ingram was staying with friends in the days following Nina's murder until the perpetrator was arrested because she was afraid. It is awful that no one has been arrested yet. I wonder if Nina's mom thought it must have been someone who knew Nina since she was scared to stay in her home after it happened? Maybe that is part of the reason why she was reluctant to give interviews in the beginning? If she was afraid for her life, I don't blame her.

I didn't know that her back window faced Sycamore. When I lived there, my back window also faced Sycamore, and I remember being afraid that someone would come in through the back window. It was also SO close to the road that I wondered if some drunk driver wouldn't accidentally run right into the building some night. If someone were walking along that street at night on a weekend, no one would probably notice. There are apartments all around there, and a lot of people ride the bus to the campus and don't own cars. Also, if I remember correctly, that area is not very well-lit.

If someone snuck in and waited for her, killed her, and then left presumably without leaving any evidence that is traceable to them, why? That is what makes no sense to me. What reason could anyone possibly have to want her dead? What could she possibly have done or known or whatever to cause some sicko to risk the death penalty to murder her?

[FDInLaw]

" THE NINA INGRAM MURDER,
There is a reason for killing in every murder case.
Sure you have the occasional mad man who walks into the mall and starts
shooting.
But the overwhelming majority of murder cases involve a reason (motive).
Even the mad man has a motive.
A FEW MOTIVES FOR MURDER.
The killer was mad at the victim.
The killer robbed the victim.
The jealous boyfriend, x-lover "like in the Nona Dirksmeyer case".
Money or revenge.
Then you have the sex crimes (rape) and most of these crimes are committed
by strangers.
The victim in many cases may know the perp but many are committed by
complete strangers, in other words the victim does not know the perp.
If Nina was not robbed, sexually assaulted or surprised a burglar then what
was the motive for killing her?
Why would someone want to brutally murder a young, intelligent, beautiful
girl who helps her family, works and is basically a real good person.
We know strangulation was the cause of death, that's up close and personal
folks!
No evidence of forced entry but the front window was unlocked.
No evidence of sexual assault but how was Nina dressed?
Was she dressed in her sleep clothing or was she still wearing the clothing
she had on when she was with her boyfriend earlier?
If she was wearing sleeping attire did she still have on her panties.
Did Nina have defensive wounds, did she fight for her life.
Where was she located in the crime scene (apartment), in the bedroom on the
bed or in the living room on the floor?
I know very little about Nina's case.
>SNIP< Nona & Nina the names sound almost the same don't you think?
They died in almost the same way.
Both murders have many of the same characteristics.
Both victims young, intelligent, very attractive, college students, living
alone in apartment complexes in a low crime area who were mysteriously
murdered.
No forced entry, no robbery and no sexual assault.
Killers don't take the time to murder a young beautiful girl and not
sexually assault her.
Remember in psychology one of the main motivators of humans is SEX!!!!!!!!!!
Ever who killed Nina appears to be disorganized with what little I know
about the case.
Disorganized killers usually do not try to hide evidence or the murder
weapon.
They usually leave a lot of evidence.
They are usually not to smart and roam around at night because they do not
work.
If they do work it's usually a low paying job like pumping gas or working at
Burger King.
There not skilled workers, they usually do not have transportation and if
they do it's a clunker and not well kept.
There not very educated and may have a below average IQ.
They usually come from a broken family and may live with an older relative
like a grandmother.
Usually they have been is some type of petty trouble (crime record) and may
have suffered some type of tragedy in there life leading up to the murder,
like divorce or death of a parent.
Disorganized killers will kill in there own neighborhood.
Usually blunt force trauma is the cause of death like in Nona's case.
Nona Dirkmeyer's crime scene indicated a cross between
organized/disorganized.
I made that conclusion cross between organized/disorganized after police
stated the crime scene had been tampered with and that Nona's body may have
been staged.
Disorganized killers usually do not tamper with evidence in the crime scene,
they get mad and kill and if they decide to rape and kill they rape and
kill.
Sometimes they may pose the body in a very disrespectful manner (ref: Martha
Moxley case).
They usually do not try to hide anything like organized killers who are much
smarter.
Organized killers usually hide the body in order to destroy evidence.
In Nona's and Nina's case the killer left the murder weapon which would make
me think he was disorganized.
He didn't try to hide Nina's or Nona's body to destroy evidence.
He really didn't try to hide anything but Nona's body may have been staged
according to police.
Her pants were pulled down to make police think she was sexually assaulted
and possibly to disgrace her.
Rage was the motive in Nona's case and the killer was smart enough to try
and throw the police off.
THE ACCUSED WOULD STATE NONA'S CASE--WHY WOULD I SEXUALLY ASSAULT NONA, I
LOVED HER AND HAD SEX WITH HER MANY TIMES.
But the problem is Nona was not sexually assaulted so the killers intent to
throw the police investigation off did not work making the killer in my
opinion a cross between organized/disorganized he showed both
characteristics.
The organized killer is smarter than the disorganized killer.
In Nina's case the killer left the murder weapon.
No forced entry but the front window was unlocked.
Nina was not sexually assaulted or was she???????
If she was not sexually assaulted the killer knew her and knew her well.
That would make me think Nina knew her killer and trusted him good enough to
let him into her apartment late at night or early in the morning.
If Nina did not resist (fight) then the killer was able to surprise Nina or
she trusted him and had no reason to fear him and allowed him into her
personal zone (very close).
Did the killer bring the murder weapon with him are use something from the
apartment?
Until I find out more information it's my conclusion the killer must have
known Nina very well in order to be allowed in her apartment.
The killer was not interested in sexually assaulting Nina when he should
have had all the time in the world to do that if he wanted.
How long had Nina been dead before she was discovered (time of death)?
Did her body show signs of livor mortis or rigor mortis?
In my opinion this was NO stranger who murdered Nina."

(Someone has had too much coffee today! :) )

[FDInLaw]

I think I'm going to have to agree with Anom. . . whoever killed Nina knew what they were doing. The apparent lack of evidence at the scene is unnerving and not the work of a disorganized killer. IMO this murder does not follow the norms of disorganized vs. organized killers. For instance, if Nina was strangled with a cord or rope and there was no DNA evidence, this makes it likely that the perpetrator was wearing gloves. . . a sign of premeditation and in my mind a surprise attack. With the front window unlocked I'm not convinced that Nina knew the murderer. . . of course, statistically it is more likely that she did. Motive in this case is mind-boggling. . . why this happened is beyond me. All MOO ~ FD

Anom, if at all possible, can you tell us more about the boyfriend? How is he dealing with the loss?

[FDInLaw]

Okay, so now it's going to appear like I've had too much coffee. :D

Here's some more thoughts. Maybe there are more similarities between Nona's and Nina's case than we realize. It's believed that possibly Kevin Jones tampered with the crime scene to make it look like Nona Dirksmeyer's murder was a sex crime. Is it possible that Nina was murdered by someone that knew her and they intentionally made the crime look like a sort of hit job? This person would no doubt spread rumors suggesting Nina had stumbled onto something she shouldn't have, etc. Maybe rumors about Wal-Mart, etc. When I first heard that there was no sexual assault and no real evidence, my imagination went wild. . . sounds like a hit job! What if that is what the murderer wants us to believe, what if it was someone close to her? This is all just mere speculation on my part. ~ FD

[JR2007]

This is a question I have wondered about for sometime, and it applies to both Nona's and Nina's cases. If they had consensual sex can LE or medical examiner tell? When someone is attacked and Raped or otherwise sexually abused, there is evidence of the rough sex, abrasions, etc, but if it's not forced can they tell?????:confused:

Also someone asked if there were marks, cuts, etc, on Nina's body. If I recall correctly didn't one of the articles say there were scratch marks on her neck?
Which I assume came from Nina herself, trying to grab the thing around her neck, while the sicko was strangling her. Not a pleasant thought. Sorry.

[hawgustusgloop]

I think I'm going to have to agree with Anom. . . whoever killed Nina knew what they were doing. The apparent lack of evidence at the scene is unnerving and not the work of a disorganized killer. IMO this murder does not follow the norms of disorganized vs. organized killers. For instance, if Nina was strangled with a cord or rope and there was no DNA evidence, this makes it likely that the perpetrator was wearing gloves. . . a sign of premeditation and in my mind a surprise attack. With the front window unlocked I'm not convinced that Nina knew the murderer. . . of course, statistically it is more likely that she did. Motive in this case is mind-boggling. . . why this happened is beyond me. All MOO ~ FD

Anom, if at all possible, can you tell us more about the boyfriend? How is he dealing with the loss?

I also tend to think it was a surprise attack. I am not sure but as far as I have read there was no mention of neighbors hearing any arguing or screams or anything. I wonder if her killer just lay in wait and attacked her as soon as she got home and then fled? I wonder if the murderer just attacked her from behind and if she ever even saw his face? If that is true, I think that would say a lot about the personality of the killer, but I don't know what since I'm no expert on behavior analysis.

[FDInLaw]

This may be in an article and I missed it, but do we know what Nina was wearing when she was found? This might help determine time of death and motive.

[JR2007]

This may be in an article and I missed it, but do we know what Nina was wearing when she was found? This might help determine time of death and motive.


I've read pretty much everything out there on this case, and I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything stating how she was dressed.

[FDInLaw]

This is a question I have wondered about for sometime, and it applies to both Nona's and Nina's cases. If they had consensual sex can LE or medical examiner tell? When someone is attacked and Raped or otherwise sexually abused, there is evidence of the rough sex, abrasions, etc, but if it's not forced can they tell?????:confused:

Also someone asked if there were marks, cuts, etc, on Nina's body. If I recall correctly didn't one of the articles say there were scratch marks on her neck?
Which I assume came from Nina herself, trying to grab the thing around her neck, while the sicko was strangling her. Not a pleasant thought. Sorry.


Hey JR! I forwarded your question to a friend that (do to his profession) could give a good answer. . . it's a tad graphic:


"Usually in rape cases (sexual assault) it's easy for police to conclude a
raped occurred by the type of force used on the victim.
If the victim was struck in the face and her clothing torn, bruising around
her inner leg area where he forced her legs apart it's easy to determine she
resisted the sexual assault.
As far as tearing or injuries to the outer or inner vaginal area that would
depend.
Sure a medical examination can determine if vaginal or anal sex intercourse
occurred either consensual or nonconsensual but was it forced or consensual?
It's hard to tell in the Kobie Bryant case the victim had slight tearing in
the vaginal canal but this may not happen and probably doesn't happen in the
majority of sexual assaults.
Was it consensual or nonconsensual?
If she said NO it was nonconsensual.
In the Butts Triple Murders 11 year old Jessica had tearing at the opening
of her vaginal canal post mortem.
So it depends on many circumstances and how brutal the assault is.
Every female/male experiences some small blood vessel tearing while engaged
in vaginal or anal intercourse.
That's how medical professionals are able to determine if intercourse
occurred.
They can also use chemicals on deceased victims that turns purple in the
vaginal/anal area after applied that indicates small blood vessels were
torn.

Yes Nina had scratches to her neck area." ~ Danny

[phynickyb]

I also tend to think it was a surprise attack. I am not sure but as far as I have read there was no mention of neighbors hearing any arguing or screams or anything. I wonder if her killer just lay in wait and attacked her as soon as she got home and then fled? I wonder if the murderer just attacked her from behind and if she ever even saw his face? If that is true, I think that would say a lot about the personality of the killer, but I don't know what since I'm no expert on behavior analysis.

I think that even though it has been stated that strangulation is an "up close and personal" way to kill a victim, I believe that to be the case if the killer is in front of the victim when they do it. I think that if we can determine whether or not Nina was attacked from the front or the rear, we would have a better determination of whether it was say a crime of passion by someone she knew or like hawgustusgloop mentions, someone who just laid in wait for her. I know that the Crime Lab can determine by the ligature marks and where there was a crossing of these marks to have a better idea than we do. I haven't seen anywhere where this has been established. Has anyone else?

[JR2007]

I think that even though it has been stated that strangulation is an "up close and personal" way to kill a victim, I believe that to be the case if the killer is in front of the victim when they do it. I think that if we can determine whether or not Nina was attacked from the front or the rear, we would have a better determination of whether it was say a crime of passion by someone she knew or like hawgustusgloop mentions, someone who just laid in wait for her. I know that the Crime Lab can determine by the ligature marks and where there was a crossing of these marks to have a better idea than we do. I haven't seen anywhere where this has been established. Has anyone else?

I haven't read anything about the ligature marks, anywhere. I doubt that LE would let that out either.

[JR2007]

Thanks FD, that was somewhat graphic but I don't know how else it could be explained.
Appreciate you.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks FD, that was somewhat graphic but I don't know how else it could be explained.
Appreciate you.

You know, I thought I knew the answer to your question but it turns out that I didn't. . . sure glad you asked it! :seeya:

[Anom]

In Nina's case the killer left the murder weapon.

Where is this stated?

Anom, if at all possible, can you tell us more about the boyfriend? How is he dealing with the loss?

Took it pretty hard. Works a lot.

[FDInLaw]

Regarding the murder weapon being found. . . I don't think this is stated anywhere (as I'm sure you know). Danny fallows a lot of cases and as a result probably got mixed up. Details are important though. . . especially that one.

[Anom]

Yeah, that hasn't been stated anywhere.

[hawgustusgloop]

If I recall correctly, Nina's cause of death was "strangulation by ligature." What EXACTLY does that mean? As in, what is a ligature specifically? What are some possible murder weapons? What is the difference between strangulation and strangulation by ligature? I have a general idea, I think, but does anyone know exactly what that means? Thank you in advance.

[FDInLaw]

If I recall correctly, Nina's cause of death was "strangulation by ligature." What EXACTLY does that mean? As in, what is a ligature specifically? What are some possible murder weapons? What is the difference between strangulation and strangulation by ligature? I have a general idea, I think, but does anyone know exactly what that means? Thank you in advance.


Strangulation can happen different ways, for one a perpetrator could simply use their hands. Strangulation by ligature indicates an object was used, such as a rope or cord.

- - - -

"Reynolds said Ingram's official cause of death was strangulation by
ligature.

" That means she was strangled by an object, such as a rope or an extension
cord, " he said. Police do not know if the slaying was premeditated.

" It's a violent crime, " Reynolds said. " There haven't been that many
murders by strangulation in the city of Fayetteville, but based on my
training, it's usually a personal crime. One might come to the conclusion
that it was someone she had a relationship with. "

http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/42397/

[hawgustusgloop]

Strangulation can happen different ways, for one a perpetrator could simply use their hands. Strangulation by ligature indicates an object was used, such as a rope or cord.

- - - -

"Reynolds said Ingram's official cause of death was strangulation by
ligature.

" That means she was strangled by an object, such as a rope or an extension
cord, " he said. Police do not know if the slaying was premeditated.

" It's a violent crime, " Reynolds said. " There haven't been that many
murders by strangulation in the city of Fayetteville, but based on my
training, it's usually a personal crime. One might come to the conclusion
that it was someone she had a relationship with. "

http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/42397/

Thank you. This says police do not know if the slaying was premeditated. IMO strangulation with a rope or cord-type object doesn't sound like a split-second decision or something done in a fit of anger, especially if the police never found the weapon. I guess it is possible, but you would think the killer would have just used his hands or hit her with something instead if it were not premeditated. Unless maybe it was something that was already in her apartment nearby like the cord to blinds (I don't remember if there are blinds in those apartments or not) or an appliance? That still seems odd, though.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you. This says police do not know if the slaying was premeditated. IMO strangulation with a rope or cord-type object doesn't sound like a split-second decision or something done in a fit of anger, especially if the police never found the weapon. I guess it is possible, but you would think the killer would have just used his hands or hit her with something instead if it were not premeditated. Unless maybe it was something that was already in her apartment nearby like the cord to blinds (I don't remember if there are blinds in those apartments or not) or an appliance? That still seems odd, though.

Strangulation is most prevalent in case that involve sexual assault. . . once had a friend explain why and that was a big mistake (I didn't sleep well for days). . . so I'll spare you all that! This case is strange if in fact there was no sexual assault. You are right that it could have been a spur of the moment type thing. My gut tells me that it was premeditated . . . but hey, I have no idea why someone would want Nina dead.

[hawgustusgloop]

Let's assume for the sake of this argument that the killer got in her apartment while she was gone and ambushed her when she returned. He would have to be familiar enough with her routine and maybe even her plans for that particular day that he would be reasonably sure that she would be alone. Anom, do you know if Nina typically returned to her apartment alone or if she was occasionally accompanied by her boyfriend, frends, relatives, etc.? Did she ever seem afraid of anyone or anything before her death? Did she actually know any of those guys the police were questoning (the guy that said her throat was cut or Freddy the flashlight guy)?

[Anom]

Anom, do you know if Nina typically returned to her apartment alone or if she was occasionally accompanied by her boyfriend, frends, relatives, etc.?

hmm A little of all? From what I know she spent a lot of time at her boyfriends apt which wasn't all that far away. Otherwise she was like most folks who live alone, they go home by themselves often.

id she ever seem afraid of anyone or anything before her death?

Nope, no indication at all. She was talkative so I don't think that she would fail to mention it to somebody at some point leading up to it. I never heard her say anything and neither did friends I talked to about it.

Did she actually know any of those guys the police were questoning (the guy that said her throat was cut or Freddy the flashlight guy)?

First guy I have no clue who that is. Freddy, I know of him via some friends who had worked with him. We had heard about this guy, one of them had saw him at the funeral, and we promptly contacted the police who made the match. Just a strange guy all around from what I'm told. She knew who this guy was, worked with him at a past store.

[FDInLaw]

hmm A little of all? From what I know she spent a lot of time at her boyfriends apt which wasn't all that far away. Otherwise she was like most folks who live alone, they go home by themselves often.



Nope, no indication at all. She was talkative so I don't think that she would fail to mention it to somebody at some point leading up to it. I never heard her say anything and neither did friends I talked to about it.



First guy I have no clue who that is. Freddy, I know of him via some friends who had worked with him. We had heard about this guy, one of them had saw him at the funeral, and we promptly contacted the police who made the match. Just a strange guy all around from what I'm told. She knew who this guy was, worked with him at a past store.


Thanks for all the input. . . It's sure nice to have you here! Do you know if Nina returned to her apartment alone the night of the murder?

[Anom]

The media have stated that she spent time at her bf's then went home, so I assume that she was alone.

[FDInLaw]

The media have stated that she spent time at her bf's then went home, so I assume that she was alone.

Thanks. . . I really wonder if the murderer was waiting for her. Guess the investigators might have more of an idea since they know what she was wearing when she was found, etc.

[FDInLaw]

Hello All!

Back in December there was an online vigil for Nona Dirksmeyer commemorating the one year anniversary of her death. Several of us would like to do the same for Nina. Participating is easy, simply try to post several times that day. April 22nd will be here before we know, so please make a note of this. The vigil is a wonderful way for us to reach out to Nina's loved ones and let them know they are not alone. Thanks ~ FD


:rose:

[JR2007]

Hello All!

Back in December there was an online vigil for Nona Dirksmeyer commemorating the one year anniversary of her death. Several of us would like to do the same for Nina. Participating is easy, simply try to post several times that day. April 22nd will be here before we know, so please make a note of this. The vigil is a wonderful way for us to reach out to Nina's loved ones and let them know they are not alone. Thanks ~ FD


:rose:

FD:
Do you have any special hours that you want to do the vigil? 22nd is on a Sunday.

[FDInLaw]

FD:
Do you have any special hours that you want to do the vigil? 22nd is on a Sunday.


The plan is for all day. . . personally, I'll be away from my computer for part of the day. The idea is for folks to post once an hour for the periods that they can. A short word of encouragement for Nina's loved ones is all we are really looking for in each post. Hey, maybe we should make it an all weekend deal, starting Friday? I'll be posting over on the CTV site in the hopes of drawing some folks from there. When we did this for Nona we got that attention of several Crime Library regulars and they still post on the her forum. There so little that we can do. . . the idea of the vigil is to have this thread flooded with messages of support for Nina's loved ones. Hopefully we will attract a family member that will be able to print it off and give it to Nina's Mom. What are your thoughts JR? I will contact Freshwater about this and she may wish to start a new thread for the vigil and put it up as that day's topic. . . which would be really great.

[JR2007]

The plan is for all day. . . personally, I'll be away from my computer for part of the day. The idea is for folks to post once an hour for the periods that they can. A short word of encouragement for Nina's loved ones is all we are really looking for in each post. Hey, maybe we should make it an all weekend deal, starting Friday? I'll be posting over on the CTV site in the hopes of drawing some folks from there. When we did this for Nona we got that attention of several Crime Library regulars and they still post on the her forum. There so little that we can do. . . the idea of the vigil is to have this thread flooded with messages of support for Nina's loved ones. Hopefully we will attract a family member that will be able to print it off and give it to Nina's Mom. What are your thoughts JR? I will contact Freshwater about this and she may wish to start a new thread for the vigil and put it up as that day's topic. . . which would be really great.
Sounds good to me. I will do what I can to support a vigil. It would be great if loved ones of hers or people who knew her well would join in with amusing stories about her. Kind of a way to get to know her better.

[hawgustusgloop]

I have a lot of questions about the murder weapon. There has not been much information about it at all. If she was strangled with something, what was it? Was the murder weapon still at the scene or did the killer take it with him? Was it something Nina already had in her apartment or did the killer bring it there? Was it something unusual, so the police are keeping it secret to weed out incorrect information?

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/04/news/040407wzfayvillebodies.txt

[hawgustusgloop]

Another article:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6327698

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/05/news/040507wzfayvillebodies.txt

There's a little bit more here.

[JR2007]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/05/news/040507wzfayvillebodies.txt

There's a little bit more here.
Thanks, Hawgust:
This is too weird. Another Kevin Jones involved in a murder.

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/06/news/040707murderarrest.txt

[FDInLaw]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/06/news/040707murderarrest.txt

Thanks for posting all the links! :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

About the one-year anniversary of Nina's death:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6373820

[FDInLaw]

Nina's online vigil will start tomorrow. Freashwater will be setting up a special thread for it, so be on the look out for it. If possible, try to post several times each day. Thanks! ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

Nina's online vigil will start tomorrow. Freashwater will be setting up a special thread for it, so be on the look out for it. If possible, try to post several times each day. Thanks! ~ FD


Me again. . . thanks to all who have posted on Nina's vigil! Please keep posting throughout the weeked if you can. ~ FD

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6410036

An article on the anniversary of Nina Ingram's death and an interview with her mom. My heart breaks for her. I can't imagine what she is going through.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for posting the link. I saw this story on the 10 o'clock news last night. . . heart breaking. :(

[dallasvic]

Thanks for posting the link. I saw this story on the 10 o'clock news last night. . . heart breaking. :(

:rose: To her mother and family:rose: God will keep you strong. I am a mother also and I can not imagine how you feel. If I lost her it would be like someone killing me also.Very sad for such a young hirl how had her whole life infront of her and it seem that everyone really liked her. So who could have done this bad thing?

[FDInLaw]

This thread was mentioned in a comment after a recent news story on Nina:

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/04/15/news/041607fzninaingram.txt

Scroll down to the bottom.

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to Nina's thread, Dallasvic & Kathmandu!

:seeya:

[dallasvic]

:) [QUOTE=FDInLaw;8848842]Welcome to Nina's thread, Dallasvic & Kathmandu!

Thank you for being so kind to other members. And thanks for the link, I posted my thoughts to the family an her mother:rose:

:)

[FDInLaw]

For Nina's Mother this Mother's Day. . . you are in my thoughts and prayers. May God bless you and give you comfort. ~ FD


:rose: :rose: :rose:

[dallasvic]

To Nina's Mother On Mothers Day
:rose: My Heart Is With You:rose:

[FDInLaw]

*BUMP*


Praying Nina's murderer is caught soon!

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[dallasvic]

:rose: Hope & Pray For Justic For Nina:rose:



My Prayers are with Nina's Mother:rose:

[FDInLaw]

*BUMP*

Praying that LE gets the break they need soon.

Rest in peace, Nina. . . :rose: :rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

With the trial of Nona Dirksmeyer's accused murderer starting Monday, I'm praying that this day will also come for Nina's loved ones. . .

http://andrew.cmu.edu/user/brehani/images/rose2.jpg

[FDInLaw]

BUMPING!

Praying that LE gets the lead they need! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

You are not forgotten, Nina! :rose:

http://z.about.com/d/drawsketch/1/5/U/K/candle.jpg

[dallasvic]

BUMP~FOR~NINA
:rose: For~Nina's~Mother:rose:

[FDInLaw]

Still here praying for a break in this case. . .

Rest in Peace Nina!

:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[gacountry]

For Nina
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z17/nichole4nascar/119063uf1v6s736n.gif

[FDInLaw]

Thoughts and prayers for Nina's loved ones! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

Prayers for justice. . . :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Still hoping for resolution:

Nina Ingram, 21, was found strangled to death in her apartment April 22, 2006, at the same complex, which was then the Law Quad Apartments.

Ingram's killing is still unsolved, but FPD Detective Sgt. Tim Franklin said in a Dec. 10 article in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that similar killings around the country are being monitored in case of a possible link. He also said a DNA sample taken from the crime scene would be checked against CODIS, the FBI's DNA index system, to search for a possible match.

"We do have positive leads, and by no stretch of the imagination is this case closed," Franklin said in the article. "With all the fundamentals we're applying, and the technology being used, this case will be solved."

The DNA samples collected at the crime scene have been submitted to CODIS and will remain in the database until there is a hit or match, according to an e-mail from Sgt. Shannon Gabbard of FPD.

Ingram's death is the only unsolved homicide in Fayetteville since 1974.

http://media.www.thetraveleronline.com/media/storage/paper688/news/2008/03/12/News/Woods.Murder.Fourth.In.Neighborhood.In.Two.Years-3263986.shtml

[FDInLaw]

Still hoping for resolution:

Nina Ingram, 21, was found strangled to death in her apartment April 22, 2006, at the same complex, which was then the Law Quad Apartments.

Ingram's killing is still unsolved, but FPD Detective Sgt. Tim Franklin said in a Dec. 10 article in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that similar killings around the country are being monitored in case of a possible link. He also said a DNA sample taken from the crime scene would be checked against CODIS, the FBI's DNA index system, to search for a possible match.

"We do have positive leads, and by no stretch of the imagination is this case closed," Franklin said in the article. "With all the fundamentals we're applying, and the technology being used, this case will be solved."

The DNA samples collected at the crime scene have been submitted to CODIS and will remain in the database until there is a hit or match, according to an e-mail from Sgt. Shannon Gabbard of FPD.

Ingram's death is the only unsolved homicide in Fayetteville since 1974.

http://media.www.thetraveleronline.com/media/storage/paper688/news/2008/03/12/News/Woods.Murder.Fourth.In.Neighborhood.In.Two.Years-3263986.shtml
Prayers for the Fayetteville PD. . . may this be the year justice is served! :rose: :rose: :rose:

[hawgustusgloop]

This thread was mentioned in a comment after a recent news story on Nina:

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/04/15/news/041607fzninaingram.txt

Scroll down to the bottom.

I was just going back and reading all the links, and there are some unusual comments at the end of the article FDInLaw linked above. They were apparently made in May 2007.

[lorettalockhorn]

Very strange. Very.

[FDInLaw]

Catrina wrote on Apr 16, 2007 3:49 AM:

" I have known many loss prevention people. I don't think I would want this type of job. Death threats are common to them and once thieves know who they are, they will watch them closely to learn their work schedules to avoid them. They also learn their habits and can easily follow them home. She may have been too close to catching one particular individual or this could be someone who did some jail time and was out to get Nina. Hopefully the case will be solved and this person will do whatever time the judge gives them which never seems to be enough. My sympathies to the family. "



cole wrote on Apr 16, 2007 9:49 AM:

" Did anyone notice that all these killings in Fayetteville happen in April?? Kinda weird.. "



Sandra wrote on Apr 21, 2007 10:35 PM:

" True, except for the one in Feb; I actually did notice that & found it kind of strange, but then Spring break falls in April a lot & there is 4/20. I knew Nina & used to work with her; she is dearly missed by many & was a very sweet girl loved by many! The night that happened my children & I had gone to watch a movie & drove through that neighborhood around 10:30 or so; after I learned what happened I really wished we had gone later so maybe our car going by would have scared off the creep who did that to her or something. I find it very hard to believe that no one was out when it happened & heard or saw anything because when we went through there many people were out & about riding bikes, walking (one man down on Gregg Ave, my son noticed & pointed out because he said he looked like a zombie; tall, slender, dark hair, very pale skin. He appeared to be pretty stiff or something. It was weird. Maybe we should have called the police about that. Never know. Remember Nina and pray for her killer to be caught. Burn a candle in her honor!!! "



vikcy hamilton wrote on Apr 27, 2007 10:12 AM:

" I pray that they find new leads to be able to solve this horrible crime.My thoughts and prayers are with my dear friend Judy and family.vicky hamilton cushing texas "



Dallasvic wrote on Apr 30, 2007 9:21 PM:

" My Prayers Are With All Of You. May God Keep You Strong "



anonymous1 wrote on May 14, 2007 12:29 AM:

" WHAT WOULD U DO IF SOMEONE TOLD U THINGS...BUT WERE TOO SCARED TO SAY ANYTHING??? WHO WOULD U TALK TO WITHOUT TALKING TO THE POLICE??? "



anonymous1 wrote on May 14, 2007 12:30 AM:

" HOW DO U KNOW WHAT THEY SAID IS THE TRUTH??? OR JUST A STUPID, MEAN PRANK??? "

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/04/15/news/041607fzninaingram.txt

[hawgustusgloop]

KFSM article on the 2-year anniversary of Nina's death:

http://www.kfsm.com/global/story.asp?s=8211533

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the link Hawg.

[FDInLaw]

KFSM article on the 2-year anniversary of Nina's death:

http://www.kfsm.com/global/story.asp?s=8211533Thanks for the link Hawg. :seeya:

I'm sure glad someone did a story.

Rest In Peace Nina! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/04/news/040407wzfayvillebodies.txt

Another article:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6327698

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/05/news/040507wzfayvillebodies.txt

There's a little bit more here.

http://www.nwaonline.com/articles/2007/04/06/news/040707murderarrest.txt

"Gregor y De cay never spoke or showed emotion on Monday as he was formally sentenced to death for murdering a young Fayetteville couple last year. . . "


http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/64632/

[lorettalockhorn]

Thinking about Judy this Mother's Day. RIP, Nina.

[FDInLaw]

Still holding hope for a break in this case. . .

Rest in peace Nina! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-nwa-nina-ingram,0,1970574.story

Latest lack of news. . . :(

[dallasvic]

Just remember no one get away these days!!!!!!!!!!!! To many things left behind. They always get caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They will get them in time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Friend
Dallas
http://www.kfsm.com/news/kf

sm-nwa-nina-ingram,0,1970574.story

Latest lack of news. . . :(