Karla is a MOM

[goatgirl]

Word is that Karla has re-married & had a baby boy!

it hasnt been confirmed but it was on the front page of our paper today & looks like it very well may be true....

I will keep you all posted.....

[busythimble]

Homolka may have procreated, but she is NO mom. She is still a psychopathic monster who cares for no one but herself. My heart goes out to this child, who will grow up with the awful stigma of being the child of that cold, heartless animal. Homolka should still be in prison, where she belongs, instead of being out pretending to be a normal human being.

[One2Snoop]

Rumours of Homolka baby appear unfounded
Tom Blackwell, National Post
Published: Thursday, February 08, 2007

Lawyers and others close to Karla Homolka said yesterday they knew nothing about reports the released sex killer had recently given birth.

Tim Danson, who represents the families of two of Ms. Homolka's victims, said he understood the woman's father, Karel Homolka, had publicly suggested that Ms. Homolka had had a baby, though the lawyer said he was skeptical about the report.


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=82d015cf-a1b6-4b8e-b7c9-74775b7a9f7d

[Canadian Bum]

I am getting a bad feeling here. Just got a call, this Karla story may very well be true. :confused: :read:

[Canadian Bum]

Karla has a passport, she can leave at any time. I dont think the States would allow her in, but i could be wrong. She is a "worry" regardless of her location, IMO.

[goatgirl]

The news still hasn't been confirmed, but talk radio station said they have confirmed the story!

I'm sure more news will come out in the days ahead.....

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/02/08/3558711-sun.html

[goatgirl]

Karla has a passport, she can leave at any time. I dont think the States would allow her in, but i could be wrong. She is a "worry" regardless of her location, IMO.


hey Canadian Bum

I thought you couldn't enter the U.S if you have a Criminal record :shrug:

see ya :seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

That would not be a good situation for the baby. OMG, all of North America knows about this horrid woman, what man in his right mind would want to have anything to do with her. Oh no, I hope she hasn't found herself another Paul Bernardo. She's not allowed to leave Canada, right?

JMHO.

I agree. "What man in his right mind would want to have anything to do with her?" Someone who is just like her, that's who. Birds of A Feather do Flock Together!

More importantly, what about this guy's Mother? I am sure that she knows that her Son is a few french fries short of a Happy Meal, but I would still be absolutely horrified and upset with my Son. I am sorry, but I would NOT, NEVER accept her as my DIL and I would NOT, NEVER accept the baby as my grandchild. If it would cost me my relationship with my Son, that's the way it would be. I am sorry, but that is the way that I feel!

That's also why I will never understand how Karla's Mom and Sister support her even though she helped in the rape and murder of her baby sister, Tammy! Not to mention the other two innocent girls, Leslie and Kristen!

JMO and MOO!!

:rose: For Leslie!
:rose: For Kristen!
:rose: For Tammy!

[Canadian Bum]

:eek: The news still hasn't been confirmed, but talk radio station said they have confirmed the story!

I'm sure more news will come out in the days ahead.....

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/02/08/3558711-sun.html Morning GG, i havent stopped shakin my head, i feel like a bobble head doll.:eek:

[Canadian Bum]

hey Canadian Bum

I thought you couldn't enter the U.S if you have a Criminal record :shrug:

see ya :seeya: Some people apply for pardons, Karla would not qualify.
I think we are stuck with her.

[Canadian Bum]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized? IMO YES. Karla sucked the life out of all who touched her. Now we are going to trust her with another life? No way !

[One2Snoop]

:eek: Well I'll be, the story is true after all. Disgusting - :mad:

[A_seeker]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?

IMHO, in a very extreme case (such as this one) steriliztion would be a good idea. No need to pass those horrifically cruel genes along.

I must say, I am saddened that she's had a baby...but IF she was going to have one, I guess it's better that it be a boy. So far, her inclination has been towards murdering girls....
maybe this child won't be tortured.
Of course, he may be taught to hurt girls. Very sad....

[goatgirl]

:eek: Morning GG, i havent stopped shakin my head, i feel like a bobble head doll.:eek:

You and me both!

So I read in the paper today, they have confirmed she had a baby. She is not yet married but is flying away to the Antilles islands to get married & they aren't sure if she will ever return ( so I'm guessing she can now leave Canada)

I just can't wrap my head around why any man would want to have a child with her, I am sorry that's just how I feel. I know she did her time, but she still did the crime!

all I can say is Krama....krama ....krama......

Source:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/02/09/3568442-sun.html

[goatgirl]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?

umm that's a deep question. I think for me...it would really depend on the case. :read:

[One2Snoop]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?

It's a loaded question IMO - was it really proven she was under the influence of her husband or that she acted as an accomplice? :shrug:
In answer to your question - I don't think she should've been allowed to have children - ever. JMO.

Just another twist on your question FH20 - Which brings us to another level of the justice system - should this be determined by jury or should sex offenders or anyone convicted in a sex crime be automatically sentenced to sterilization?

[goatgirl]

It's a loaded question IMO - was it really proven she was under the influence of her husband or that she acted as an accomplice? :shrug:
In answer to your question - I don't think she should've been allowed to have children - ever. JMO.

Just another twist on your question FH20 - Which brings us to another level of the justice system - should this be determined by jury or should sex offenders or anyone convicted in a sex crime be automatically sentenced to sterilization?


He!! yeah

I am all for child sex offenders being automatically sentenced to sterilization

[diamond d]

Great the gene pool continues...

[Canadian Bum]

ITA. She hasn't paid her debt to society or paid for the crimes she so willingly participated in because of a plea bargain. This poor child doesn't have a pray at normalcy. My concern is that the father may be just as twisted and sexually perverted as Karla. I hope the Canadian government has a vehicle in place to remove this child and place her in a safe and loving environment.

JMHO. This poor baby must now live in Karlas shadow, what a nightmare it will be. As to the father, IMO he's got a bolt loose somewhere. They can be and do whatever they want to each other, but why did she have to have a baby. :confused: Who knows what the goverment will do, it's not like they havent let us down concerning Karla before. :punch:

[Canadian Bum]

Hear Hear!! ;) :D

[AmyW]

:eek: :cuss: :no:

I feel terrible for that poor baby, having that psychopathic waste of space as a mother. Ugh....

[Chocoholic]

ITA. She hasn't paid her debt to society or paid for the crimes she so willingly participated in because of a plea bargain. This poor child doesn't have a pray at normalcy. My concern is that the father may be just as twisted and sexually perverted as Karla. I hope the Canadian government has a vehicle in place to remove this child and place her in a safe and loving environment.

JMHO.
I'd like to know if she is still under probation and if so, what the terms are.

[RogerV]

You and me both!
I just can't wrap my head around why any man would want to have a child with her, I am sorry that's just how I feel. I know she did her time, but she still did the crime!
Source:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/02/09/3568442-sun.html


I'm having trouble myself understanding how any man would want anything to do with her, let alone have a child with her. Serial killer "groupies" are usually women, but I suppose it's possible for a female serial killer to have male grouples....

[2L8 4A D8]

IIRC, in one of her interviews she said that all she wants is to eventually have a baby. I guess her biological clock was ticking like crazy! Isn't she fast inching towards 40? She probably grabbed the first guy off of the street, had sex with him, wasn't talking any birth control and of course, became pregnant!

I really feel for the baby, but maybe it's good that she had a boy because boy's tend to be more critical of their Mothers than girl's are. However, he is only going to be told the story (if he's ever told anything) by Karla and her Family and you don't think that they are going to paint a bad picture of her do you? Of course not! They are going to place all of the blame of what she did and what she participated in on 'ol Paul!

JMO and MOO!!

[busythimble]

Karla has a passport, she can leave at any time. I dont think the States would allow her in, but i could be wrong. She is a "worry" regardless of her location, IMO.
I agree, the States likely wouldn't let her in with her criminal record. Lets hope she goes over to Germany and lives where people like Michael Jackson are welcome!! That piece of filth has been thumbing her nose at the Canadian legal system for years now, and it's time she got the heck out of our country for good.

[hamiltonmom_101]

From what i read the cas is not going to interfer with the family and i read that in the toronto sun.As far as i am concern she does not deserve to have children at all. And as for those tapes they could of allowed into the courts but the lawyers were to concern of not getting bernardo. They were more worried about that than trying to nail Karla for what she really deserved she got off quite lucky.
And no they will not let bernardo speak about the case they have barred him from talking about it.

[2L8 4A D8]

First, I want to say I love your avatar! I can understand about her wanting a baby, but I question her motives. There is a psychological syndrome that for the life of me I can't remember but it has to do with having a baby to replace a life you've taken. IIRC, D. Downs was diagnosed with it. It's a flaw in one's personality where you feel one life is easily replaced by another's. Someone help me out here, it's not like me to forget what it's called and my search engineers are out of gas, :)

Anyhow, I just can't imagine what that child is going to go through in his life. Can you just imagine family get togethers at the Komolka house? Especially Christmas! All the family is sitting around the table after opening gifts and having a wonderful dinner, reminiscing about old times and what do they say "Oh, sonny, I remember that Christmas your mother drugged, raped and murdered your aunt, God rest her soul. Oh, but the tree was beautiful that year!". GMAB. Eventually this kid is going to be able to read and the internet isn't going anywhere. He's going to know exactly what type of monster his mother is. JMHO.

Thanks! I like your Avatar too and your Signature. I also like the things that you are doing around the Boards and I love reading your posts. Thank you for posting to me!

I can't think of that term either, but I do know what you are trying to say though. It's going to be hard on him. Especially after he finds out about his Mother. And then if that isn't bad enough, he finds out that his Grandmother and Aunt have supposedly supported his Mother in all her despicable madness and believed in her and thought nothing of her participating in the rape and killing of her baby sister, his other Aunt!

That would be the day that I would kiss ALL of them good bye and good riddance! They're ALL sick, Mr. Homolka included!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

From what i read the cas is not going to interfer with the family and i read that in the toronto sun.As far as i am concern she does not deserve to have children at all. And as for those tapes they could of allowed into the courts but the lawyers were to concern of not getting bernardo. They were more worried about that than trying to nail Karla for what she really deserved she got off quite lucky.
And no they will not let bernardo speak about the case they have barred him from talking about it.

This is what makes my blood boil. They are two sides to every story and I would really like to hear Paul's side. I think that is the reason that they have barred him from talking is because they know that Paul could really show them for the a***s that they ALL really are!

Don't get me wrong. I hate Paul as much as the next person and feel that he is definitely where he belongs. However, Karla should still be in prison for life right along side of him! She got off way too easy in my book for what she did. In fact, better yet, both of them should really be six feet under ~ just like their poor innocent victims!

JMO and MOO!!

[Enjoli]

I just read the CL article on Karla's baby boy and the history of serial killers as moms and I have a bad feeling about this whole thing. Mostly I am really apprehensive and sorry for that baby. :(

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0207/0902_karla_homolka.html

[bchand]

Hopefully they'll find a remote, sparsely populated island somewhere and live in obscurity for the remainder of their lives with minimal contact with decent human beings. I would love to know what this guy she's marrying was thinking? I know some people get off being connected to the infamous, but this is sick.

Karla was just as guilty and just as complicit in the crimes she and Paul commited. To do what she did to her little sister as a gift for Paul is beyond the pale of depravity. They both should have been executed for their crime, which they well documented with videos so they could relive them for their own sick pleasure. Yes, the Canadian government has let us all down where those two were concerned. But, I still love Canada! JMLOHO.

I agree with your post completely. How can she ever explain what she did to her child? It is disgusting and I think she should be in prison for the rest of her life.

[cami]

I'd like to know if she is still under probation and if so, what the terms are.

No she's not and never has been under probation. She served her term, 12 years, that she was sentenced to. Once your sentence is complete, you get out.

[cami]

hey Canadian Bum

I thought you couldn't enter the U.S if you have a Criminal record :shrug:

see ya :seeya:

Wouldn't that be up to the US to keep her out if she tries to cross the border? Nothing Canada can do to keep her here.

[cami]

First, I want to say I love your avatar! I can understand about her wanting a baby, but I question her motives. There is a psychological syndrome that for the life of me I can't remember but it has to do with having a baby to replace a life you've taken. IIRC, D. Downs was diagnosed with it. It's a flaw in one's personality where you feel one life is easily replaced by another's. Someone help me out here, it's not like me to forget what it's called and my search engineers are out of gas, :)

Merrick, it's "fungible" I don't think it's a character flaw..it's just a word the prosecutor, Hugi, came up with to describe Diane's attitude toward children. The explanation was/is "being of such a nature or kind that one unit or part may be exchanged or substituted for another equivalent unit or part in the discharging of an obligation"

Diane was diagnosed with three separate personality disorders. Sociopathic, Narcissistic and Histrionic.

[TallaTonight]

I just read the CL article on Karla's baby boy and the history of serial killers as moms and I have a bad feeling about this whole thing. Mostly I am really apprehensive and sorry for that baby. :(

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0207/0902_karla_homolka.html

I share that bad feeling with you.

[cami]

Cami,

Thank you very much for your response. Diane was a real piece of work, for sure.

Merrick

A very dangerous woman. I still cannot grasp what that woman did to her children and to everyone she touched. It just boggles my mind that she could shoot her own children. Like Homolka...she killed her own sister, the @#@$@$$@. She should be where Paul is...in a concrete 9x6. And now she's breeding...what a gene pool to select from. That whole family is strange.

Ironic that I am re reading SS and when I saw your post...well there was the info right at hand.

[cami]

This is what makes my blood boil. They are two sides to every story and I would really like to hear Paul's side. I think that is the reason that they have barred him from talking is because they know that Paul could really show them for the a***s that they ALL really are!

Don't get me wrong. I hate Paul as much as the next person and feel that he is definitely where he belongs. However, Karla should still be in prison for life right along side of him! She got off way too easy in my book for what she did. In fact, better yet, both of them should really be six feet under ~ just like their poor innocent victims!

JMO and MOO!!

You know 2L8, I think her mother clings to the belief that Karla was Paul's victim...that he beat her into doing the things she did. I think she has to. How could she live with herself if she didn't I wonder?

I think we all know what Paul has to say. He's said it all before. He'll say that Karla kidnapped those girls and that Karla murdered those girls. He'll say anything to try and place the blame on someone else in typical psychopathic fashion. Oh yeah he raped them and beat them but he didn't kill them. It would be very interesting if someone did a study on Paul..like Roy Hazlewood for example don't you think. His conclusion on Karla was she was a compliant victim of a sexual sadist...one of the reports her deal was based on. I wonder what he thinks now??

I know people get angry at me for this but I think Paul Bernardo is far, far, far more dangerous than Karla Homolka. If he thinks he can shift blame to her...he'll find a way to appeal his DO status and get parolled someday and we can't let that ever happen. Paul would have ended up a killer regardless of Homolka. I don't lose sight of the fact of how dangerous she is as well. She killed her own sister as far as I am concerned and she should be serving life for it. She has the potential to reoffend at any time. She hasn't so far and I don't think she will but again we can never let down our guard where either of these two are concerned.

Did you ever go see the movie? It wasn't played in my little corner of Canada.
:beer:

[elvislives]

You know 2L8, I think her mother clings to the belief that Karla was Paul's victim...that he beat her into doing the things she did. I think she has to. How could she live with herself if she didn't I wonder?

I think we all know what Paul has to say. He's said it all before. He'll say that Karla kidnapped those girls and that Karla murdered those girls. He'll say anything to try and place the blame on someone else in typical psychopathic fashion. Oh yeah he raped them and beat them but he didn't kill them. It would be very interesting if someone did a study on Paul..like Roy Hazlewood for example don't you think. His conclusion on Karla was she was a compliant victim of a sexual sadist...one of the reports her deal was based on. I wonder what he thinks now??

I know people get angry at me for this but I think Paul Bernardo is far, far, far more dangerous than Karla Homolka. If he thinks he can shift blame to her...he'll find a way to appeal his DO status and get parolled someday and we can't let that ever happen. Paul would have ended up a killer regardless of Homolka. I don't lose sight of the fact of how dangerous she is as well. She killed her own sister as far as I am concerned and she should be serving life for it. She has the potential to reoffend at any time. She hasn't so far and I don't think she will but again we can never let down our guard where either of these two are concerned.

Did you ever go see the movie? It wasn't played in my little corner of Canada.
:beer:

The news that KH is a "mother", and I use the term very loosely, makes me want to puke. Canada should have sterilized her upon release.

I couldnt agree more with your comments here. I think PB was and is a dangerous sociopath who would have escalated to murder no matter what.

However, KH is also a dangerous sociopath who should be locked up for life. For it was she who set up her own sister to be raped and lured Kristen French over to the car. SHe was also the one who stole the drugs to be used in the attacks.

I think her lenient sentence can be blamed on the double standard within the justice system. I always wonder what PB's partner in crime would have received if he was a man. I am sure he'd be rotting in prison with his accomplice--Karla should be serving the same sentence.

And that she is being supported by her obviously deranged family is beyond comprehension.

[elvislives]

I should add that my heart breaks for this poor innocent baby.

This is just one more selfish example of KH's malignant narcisism.

[2L8 4A D8]

You know 2L8, I think her mother clings to the belief that Karla was Paul's victim...that he beat her into doing the things she did. I think she has to. How could she live with herself if she didn't I wonder?

I think we all know what Paul has to say. He's said it all before. He'll say that Karla kidnapped those girls and that Karla murdered those girls. He'll say anything to try and place the blame on someone else in typical psychopathic fashion. Oh yeah he raped them and beat them but he didn't kill them. It would be very interesting if someone did a study on Paul..like Roy Hazlewood for example don't you think. His conclusion on Karla was she was a compliant victim of a sexual sadist...one of the reports her deal was based on. I wonder what he thinks now??

I know people get angry at me for this but I think Paul Bernardo is far, far, far more dangerous than Karla Homolka. If he thinks he can shift blame to her...he'll find a way to appeal his DO status and get parolled someday and we can't let that ever happen. Paul would have ended up a killer regardless of Homolka. I don't lose sight of the fact of how dangerous she is as well. She killed her own sister as far as I am concerned and she should be serving life for it. She has the potential to reoffend at any time. She hasn't so far and I don't think she will but again we can never let down our guard where either of these two are concerned.

Did you ever go see the movie? It wasn't played in my little corner of Canada.
:beer:

I agree Cami, but I still would like to hear what he has to say. Yes, I think that he would paint a bad picture of Karla just to take some heat off of himself, but it would be interesting to hear nonetheless. If Paul was ever parolled, and I doubt it, I don't think that the Canadian Government wants to even go there after what they did to let Karla beat her rap. Furthermore, you can bet that there would be a bullet with his name on it waiting for him as he walked out the door!

If the movie ever showed here in the States, it was for about one day in Podunk somewhere. I would not have gone to see it even if I got in for free!

Good seeing you post Cami. Take care my Canadian friend!

:seeya:

[OYM]

karla is on probation...But its a not a "strick" probation..or not in my books anyways....1) She has to inform police of her address or any kind of address change . 2) She has to give 72 hours notice if she is planing on traviling 3) She is not allowed contact with Paul or the vic's families. 4) She has to give a DNA sample for police records 5) she is not allowed contact with any child under the age of 16.

Which brings me to the fact that shes a mom! I cant belive the law would allow this. Not to mention she was released on July 4th, 2006. The baby was born on Feburary 9th 2007....can anyone else do the math with me..July to Feb is just 7 months...the last time I checked women were pregnent for 9 months...so she must of already been prego when she was released from jail, which means the daddy of the baby might just be a jail gard...:confused: is there not laws againts gards being involved with inmates?

[cami]

karla is on probation...But its a not a "strick" probation..or not in my books anyways....1) She has to inform police of her address or any kind of address change . 2) She has to give 72 hours notice if she is planing on traviling 3) She is not allowed contact with Paul or the vic's families. 4) She has to give a DNA sample for police records 5) she is not allowed contact with any child under the age of 16.

Which brings me to the fact that shes a mom! I cant belive the law would allow this. Not to mention she was released on July 4th, 2006. The baby was born on Feburary 9th 2007....can anyone else do the math with me..July to Feb is just 7 months...the last time I checked women were pregnent for 9 months...so she must of already been prego when she was released from jail, which means the daddy of the baby might just be a jail gard...:confused: is there not laws againts gards being involved with inmates?

Karla is not on probation. She was not parolled therefore she is not subject to any kind of terms. When she first came out, Quebec agreed to section her and that's what you are talking about....A section..nothing more. Google it. She quickly appealed that decision and the Quebec courts refused to continue to section her.

You see, you need to learn your subject matter before you post. Karla was released July 4, 2005 not 2006.

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for the info Cami - thats just unbelievable to me - but things are different there. Maybe this is a good example of why Canada needs to re-think its laws - particularly for those involved in such a henious crime.

[goatgirl]

Here are some updated News links about Karla:

Convicted killer Karla Homolka should never have had the opportunity to have children after leaving prison, says a lawyer for the families of her victims.

"Karla Homolka got away with murder," Tim Danson said Monday.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070213/homolka_danson_070213/20070213?hub=Canada&s_name=

The families of murdered teenagers Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy are having difficulty coming to grips with the news that convicted killer Karla Homolka has had a baby, their lawyer said Tuesday.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/02/13/homolka-baby.html?ref=rss

[goatgirl]

Did you ever go see the movie? It wasn't played in my little corner of Canada.
:beer:

I've seen the movie....

it was pretty disturbing as one would expect it to be!

[OYM]

I’m apologetic I had my dates confused. (cami) And I just read a news report she is no longer on probation, in 2006 she appealed her probation and got them lifted. :read:

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/News1/2006/03/06/01148.html

I was not aware of this.

[cami]

I’m apologetic I had my dates confused. (cami) And I just read a news report she is no longer on probation, in 2006 she appealed her probation and got them lifted. :read:

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/News1/2006/03/06/01148.html

I was not aware of this.

She was sectioned under Section 810 of the Criminal Code. It's not the same as probation. She never was on probation. she was not parolled. Her sentence was complete so she got released from prison. Had they and they should have parolled her a year or two prior to her release date...then she would have been subject to parole restrictions.

Under the section she was restricted to:



She report twice a month to authorities.
She give advance warning when she travels.
She not be allowed to associate directly or indirectly with anyone with a criminal record.
She have no contact with the victims' families.The Crown also has to reapply annually to continue the section. She appealed and the Judge granted that appeal.

A Section 810 is usually applied against a sex offender. Karla was not charged with sex crimes..she was charged with manslaughter...so I think that is the reason the judge granted the appeal but I am not too sure.

[cami]

Thanks for the info Cami - thats just unbelievable to me - but things are different there. Maybe this is a good example of why Canada needs to re-think its laws - particularly for those involved in such a henious crime.

NO, it's not that we have to change laws. Karla received a plea bargain in exchange for her testimony against Paul. Plea bargains are an integral part of the justice system.

Karla was refused parole, early parole and served her entire sentence of 12 years. Once her sentence or anyone's sentence is complete, they are released. Had they granted her early parole, she would have been subject to parole restrictions. Because they wouldn't, the most the prosecution could do at that point was apply for a Section 810 to try and restrict her. Basically, they were asking for restrictions based on the fear of future behaviour and that's not enough criteria.

"Homolka's deal with Crown prosecutors in exchange for testifying against Bernardo outraged the public and has been criticized for being too lenient. Some have called it "a deal with the devil."

The Crown had little choice in the matter when the deal was struck, however. At the time, there was little hard evidence against Bernardo, and videotapes showing a smiling Homolka seeming to willingly participate in the sadistic sexual assaults and murders had not yet surfaced."

Had the Crown altered the deal, Karla would not have testified against Paul and she was all they had at the time. The murders were not taped but I think the jury could have inferred from the tapes that Paul murdered Leslie and Kristen. He's the one seen beating, raping and torturing them..

HOWEVER, I think the deal should have been voided once the tapes surfaced showing her participation. It was based on her complete honesty and disclosure and she certainly lied and did not disclose the rape of Jane Doe until long after she was in prison.

Remember the American case where this happened? Mel Ignatow. The federal authorities charged him with perjury though so he didn't get off scott free. Unfortunately, they didn't find those photos until after he was acquitted. And the woman who helped him murder Brenda Schaefer..she got what..five years?

[cami]

Here are some updated News links about Karla:

Convicted killer Karla Homolka should never have had the opportunity to have children after leaving prison, says a lawyer for the families of her victims.

"Karla Homolka got away with murder," Tim Danson said Monday.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070213/homolka_danson_070213/20070213?hub=Canada&s_name=

The families of murdered teenagers Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy are having difficulty coming to grips with the news that convicted killer Karla Homolka has had a baby, their lawyer said Tuesday.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/02/13/homolka-baby.html?ref=rss

I do feel the distress of the families of the victims. What a slap in the face to them and it continues to bring up painful memories each time that cow Karla makes news. She and her new husband are supposed to be leaving Canada anyway.....although what country would take her is beyond me.

[2L8 4A D8]

I do feel the distress of the families of the victims. What a slap in the face to them and it continues to bring up painful memories each time that cow Karla makes news. She and her new husband are supposed to be leaving Canada anyway.....although what country would take her is beyond me.

Hi Cami! Hasn't Karla changed her name? Wouldn't that new name be on her Passport? If so, countries probably only know her as Karla Homolka. However, if her Passport has her changed name, how would a certain country know that? I think that's Karla's "ace in the hole" and why she would be able to go just about anywhere without detection!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Good points! If she's legally changed her name, then marries and changes it again, she most likely won't have any problems leaving Canada with a new husband and baby and settling anywhere. I don't know enough about immigration laws, but don't most countries require some sort of proof of employment before they just accept you as an alien seeking to acquire citizenship? I would think if the "happy little family" travels somewhere on an open ended ticket, immigration might question it. JMLOHO.

You have good points too! Let's just say that she tries to come to the U.S. The U.S. would only know her by Karla Holmoka not her new name that's on her Passport. I think that she would only be given 6 months by the INS, maybe less. I also think that if she tried to get employment here, she would have to get a Social Security Card and that takes a Birth Certificate. When you change your name, what happens to your Original Birth Certificate? That's what I don't know. If she retains her Original name on her Original Birth Certificate that would be the only way for the INS to know who she truly is and then she wouldn't be allowed in the country.

Of course, like everyone says, she has done her time and can go anywhere that she wants, but why would a country want to take the chance whether she is rehabilitated or not and let her in their country? I can only hope that she, her man and their baby get a one-way ticket on a slow boat to Timbucktwo!

JMO and MOO!!

[cami]

Hi Cami! Hasn't Karla changed her name? Wouldn't that new name be on her Passport? If so, countries probably only know her as Karla Homolka. However, if her Passport has her changed name, how would a certain country know that? I think that's Karla's "ace in the hole" and why she would be able to go just about anywhere without detection!

JMO and MOO!!

Yes she changed her name, it's Karla Leanne Teale ...she goes by Leanne now. She applied to have it changed to Tremblay, the most common french name in Quebec but was turned down. When she marries the father of the baby, it'll change.

It's incumbent on Canada to notify any country she tries to move or it was anyway but now that she is no longer sectioned that might not be the case. I'd have to look it up.

[cami]

Good morning 2L8! How are you today?

Do we know what the official US position is on Karla? We've speculated that we don't think the US would accept her but do know that for a fact? The US may let her come here for all we know. I would hope there would be some sort of public service announcement or such, like they do with sex offenders moving into our neighborhoods. JMHO.

Karla was not charged with sex crimes, she served 12 years for manslaughter so legally she's not a sex offender.

[IsItAnyWonder]

All requests for a name change when you are a registered offender are compiled to the RCMP for approval. In some cases the criminal record can be omitted to follow the new registered name. Usaully for security reasons like the Mob wants to kill you. IMO Karla's record follows the new name and/or names. Hey I have DUI record and I can't even get in the states from Canada. So I hope Karla has it a little harder than me.

IsItAnyWonder

[cami]

Karla was not charged with sex crimes, she served 12 years for manslaughter so legally she's not a sex offender.

Hey why did I lose my "senior" title. I worked hard for that, LOL

[Canadian Bum]

Yes she changed her name, it's Karla Leanne Teale ...she goes by Leanne now. She applied to have it changed to Tremblay, the most common french name in Quebec but was turned down. When she marries the father of the baby, it'll change.

It's incumbent on Canada to notify any country she tries to move or it was anyway but now that she is no longer sectioned that might not be the case. I'd have to look it up. Hi Cami, to the best of my knowledge Karlas legal name is still Karla Leanne Homolka.(nee Teale) Your correct that on June 8 2006 her chosen name of Emily Chiara Tremblay was rejected, so as it is, Karla is only using her maiden name. What ever her name, evil is evil!

[TallaTonight]

I spent most of last night and this morning reading more about these horrible crimes. I have no pity or compassion for either of these monsters. When she could engage and murder her own sister, this child does not stand a chance in Hell. In some crimes you can try to find reason to have compssion, these monsters were doing in for a sexual thrill, how perverted. Never will I believe that Karla has turned over a new leaf and will win the "Mother of the Year" award. I will pray this child has a chance in life but I am afraid it is another monster in the making. I get NO warm and cosy feeling when I think about this poor baby, we will probaby be reading of its crimes farther on down the road.

[rands1992]

Hi Cami, to the best of my knowledge Karlas legal name is still Karla Leanne Homolka.(nee Teale) Your correct that on June 8 2006 her chosen name of Emily Chiara Tremblay was rejected, so as it is, Karla is only using her maiden name. What ever her name, evil is evil!

Hi there, I'm sorry but you have it backwards. Her maiden name was Homolka. When she married she became Karla Bernardo. Then they both changed their last names to Teale (right before they were caught the legal name change was done) She was always referred to in the news as Karla Homolka, although I'm not sure if after the divorce came through if she legally went back to her maiden name for that to happen. She is just going by her middle and legally changed to name. Her surviving sister changed her name too when all of this went on and is a parent herself. Can you imagine her family supporting her through this and allowing her near those kids and now she has her own. I'm less worried about the genes she is passing on than I am about child's life when he finds out why she went to prison. I'm most concerned that she has found a new way to grow her very own personal victims now, who needs to kidnap and search for them when you can have your own.

[rands1992]

You know 2L8, I think her mother clings to the belief that Karla was Paul's victim...that he beat her into doing the things she did. I think she has to. How could she live with herself if she didn't I wonder?

I think we all know what Paul has to say. He's said it all before. He'll say that Karla kidnapped those girls and that Karla murdered those girls. He'll say anything to try and place the blame on someone else in typical psychopathic fashion. Oh yeah he raped them and beat them but he didn't kill them. It would be very interesting if someone did a study on Paul..like Roy Hazlewood for example don't you think. His conclusion on Karla was she was a compliant victim of a sexual sadist...one of the reports her deal was based on. I wonder what he thinks now??

I know people get angry at me for this but I think Paul Bernardo is far, far, far more dangerous than Karla Homolka. If he thinks he can shift blame to her...he'll find a way to appeal his DO status and get parolled someday and we can't let that ever happen. Paul would have ended up a killer regardless of Homolka. I don't lose sight of the fact of how dangerous she is as well. She killed her own sister as far as I am concerned and she should be serving life for it. She has the potential to reoffend at any time. She hasn't so far and I don't think she will but again we can never let down our guard where either of these two are concerned.

Did you ever go see the movie? It wasn't played in my little corner of Canada.
:beer:


The thing is that she didn't go to the police about what Paul did until he beat her up. I would like to have heard the conversation after that beating. "you can do what you want to the girls we share but you aren't going to beat ME". The part that I think irks most of us about the "battered woman" defense (IN THIS CASE) was that although Paul had raped before they lived together; (albeit after they started dating) he never killed anyone until they lived together. I think Paul deserved his dangerous offender status and to never see the light of day again but I think SHE murdered those girls just like she murdered her sister. Even if her parents believe that she didn't do anything without being beaten, she openly admitted to having offered her sister up to Paul to make up for not being a virgin. How do they ever forget that?

[2L8 4A D8]

The thing is that she didn't go to the police about what Paul did until he beat her up. I would like to have heard the conversation after that beating. "you can do what you want to the girls we share but you aren't going to beat ME". The part that I think irks most of us about the "battered woman" defense (IN THIS CASE) was that although Paul had raped before they lived together; (albeit after they started dating) he never killed anyone until they lived together. I think Paul deserved his dangerous offender status and to never see the light of day again but I think SHE murdered those girls just like she murdered her sister. Even if her parents believe that she didn't do anything without being beaten, she openly admitted to having offered her sister up to Paul to make up for not being a virgin. How do they ever forget that?

I would not and could not ever forget or forgive that! As far as I am concerned, I think that her Mother and her other Sister just love her unconditionally, which is a lame excuse in my book! I hear that Karla's Dad is the only one that still has problems with it, but he certainly doesn't have any problems with his Wife as he is still living with her and I am sure that he sees his other Daughter and grandchild! I am sure that Karla could care less about her Dad's feelings, which says a lot! :flamemad:

JMO and MOO!!

[Canadian Bum]

Hi there, I'm sorry but you have it backwards. Her maiden name was Homolka. When she married she became Karla Bernardo. Then they both changed their last names to Teale (right before they were caught the legal name change was done) She was always referred to in the news as Karla Homolka, although I'm not sure if after the divorce came through if she legally went back to her maiden name for that to happen. She is just going by her middle and legally changed to name. Her surviving sister changed her name too when all of this went on and is a parent herself. Can you imagine her family supporting her through this and allowing her near those kids and now she has her own. I'm less worried about the genes she is passing on than I am about child's life when he finds out why she went to prison. I'm most concerned that she has found a new way to grow her very own personal victims now, who needs to kidnap and search for them when you can have your own. Thanks Rands1992 i think your right. I stand corrected. About ten years ago I wrote a close relative off,( self preservation) some people cant do that, the old "blood is thicker" phrase comes to mind. Whatever their reasons for sticking by her, they can have her. Did Karla and her fiance even think of the baby? :cuss:

[Canadian Bum]

Yes she changed her name, it's Karla Leanne Teale ...she goes by Leanne now. She applied to have it changed to Tremblay, the most common french name in Quebec but was turned down. When she marries the father of the baby, it'll change.

It's incumbent on Canada to notify any country she tries to move or it was anyway but now that she is no longer sectioned that might not be the case. I'd have to look it up. :o Forgive my mistake Cami. :rose:

[booboo]

So...Karla is a mom? Too bad she killed her sister, her parents could have more grandkids. If anyone does not deserve to be a mom, it's Karla! And, by the way, what FOOL would marry her & have kids with her?? *Shudder*

[2L8 4A D8]

So...Karla is a mom? Too bad she killed her sister, her parents could have more grandkids. If anyone does not deserve to be a mom, it's Karla! And, by the way, what FOOL would marry her & have kids with her?? *Shudder*

I guess that Karla's parents feel that she and her other sister will give them enough grandchildren!

What FOOL would marry her and have kids with her? Firstly, some guy looking for his 15 minutes and secondly, some guy who thinks that Karla's story is still worth a lot of bucks!

And, if that's not bad enough, you do know where men's brains are located don't you?

Enough said! Sorry!

JMO and MOO!!

[cami]

The thing is that she didn't go to the police about what Paul did until he beat her up. I would like to have heard the conversation after that beating. "you can do what you want to the girls we share but you aren't going to beat ME". The part that I think irks most of us about the "battered woman" defense (IN THIS CASE) was that although Paul had raped before they lived together; (albeit after they started dating) he never killed anyone until they lived together. I think Paul deserved his dangerous offender status and to never see the light of day again but I think SHE murdered those girls just like she murdered her sister. Even if her parents believe that she didn't do anything without being beaten, she openly admitted to having offered her sister up to Paul to make up for not being a virgin. How do they ever forget that?

She didn't go the cops at all did she? It was an anonymous call to her parents that got her out of that house. They insisted she leave, they dragged her out, once they got a look at her beaten and bruised..with two black eyes. Only then did she check into the hospital. I thought it was the hospital authorities who reported her condition to the police but I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. The cops came to her once they had the dna results.

Anyway, once again, I completely disagree on who killed the two schoolgirls. I don't believe Karla killed Leslie and Kristen at all. Paul strangled them. Never, ever underestimate Paul. He is by far the most dangerous of the two. Anything he has to say is completely self-serving.

I think her parents, her mother anyway, believe she was completely Paul's victim and was beaten and abused into participating with him. Self-survival in other words. They'll never forget it, I don't think they forget it. They lost their daughter too.

[cami]

Hi Cami, to the best of my knowledge Karlas legal name is still Karla Leanne Homolka.(nee Teale) Your correct that on June 8 2006 her chosen name of Emily Chiara Tremblay was rejected, so as it is, Karla is only using her maiden name. What ever her name, evil is evil!


Actually Homolka is her maiden name. She became Karla Bernardo when she married Paul. Then changed her name to Leanne (her middle name) Teale before prison. I was under the impression however that Paul's app for a name change was rejected.

That's correct, evil is evil.....

ooops note to self..read whole tread before replying as I see Rands already replied on this.

[VictorianLady]

I spent most of last night and this morning reading more about these horrible crimes. I have no pity or compassion for either of these monsters. When she could engage and murder her own sister, this child does not stand a chance in Hell. In some crimes you can try to find reason to have compssion, these monsters were doing in for a sexual thrill, how perverted. Never will I believe that Karla has turned over a new leaf and will win the "Mother of the Year" award. I will pray this child has a chance in life but I am afraid it is another monster in the making. I get NO warm and cosy feeling when I think about this poor baby, we will probaby be reading of its crimes farther on down the road.


I agree with you, this can't be good....I read some where in here that Karla and Paul discussed having children (before they were arrested) and Paul said he wanted girls so he could make them sex slaves????? And she thought this was a good idea?
Ok, if she is still same ol Karla, what about this little boy?? I just hope the kid's father isn't another Paul in the making.....

Yuck...it is sickening....

:rose:
My condolences to the Family's.....just when you think this evil atrocity will settle it comes back with a slap in the face.

[TallaTonight]

I agree with you, this can't be good....I read some where in here that Karla and Paul discussed having children (before they were arrested) and Paul said he wanted girls so he could make them sex slaves????? And she thought this was a good idea?
Ok, if she is still same ol Karla, what about this little boy?? I just hope the kid's father isn't another Paul in the making.....

Yuck...it is sickening....

:rose:
My condolences to the Family's.....just when you think this evil atrocity will settle it comes back with a slap in the face.

I feel this way too. If her parents have forgotten and support Karla this poor child does not stand a chance IMO. And if this man has any idea who and what Karla is How could he have ever wanted her and especially a child by her. We as a society raise our own monsters it seems. I tremble to think what really is out there hidden waiting to come out. I still say if Karla used her own sister she is very likely to use this child.

[2L8 4A D8]

I feel this way too. If her parents have forgotten and support Karla this poor child does not stand a chance IMO. And if this man has any idea who and what Karla is How could he have ever wanted her and especially a child by her. We as a society raise our own monsters it seems. I tremble to think what really is out there hidden waiting to come out. I still say if Karla used her own sister she is very likely to use this child.

I'll say it again. I don't understand this guy's Mother! This baby is her grandson! Where has she been? Hiding under a rock? I would become Karla's worst nightmare and the absolute Mother-In-Law from H311!

I am so scared for the baby! Who will be the first to sexually abuse and torture him? Karla or her husband, or both? It's terrifying to think about. If Karla could participate in what she did to the victims and to her very own baby Sister, she is capable of anything in my book! What would stop her even if it was her own Son?

The Mother and Son Bond is very tight. To a Son, his Mother is his first true love. A Son wants his Mother to be beyond perfect! I have a Son who is now a wonderful young man. One day, he surprised me and said how proud and thankful he was that all through his life, I conducted myself with dignity and respect and he wanted to let me know that it meant a lot to him. It just brought tears to my eyes. I gave him a great big hug and kiss. My Son is my life and I worship and love him so much!

As this poor little guy grows up into a young man, do you honestly think that he is going to say the same things to his disgusting and despicable Mother? It is so sad. He stands as much chance of having a decent and wonderful life as the people in H311 who want a glass of ice water!

Our Canadian friends, please keep us posted here in the States if you hear anything more about the baby. Thanks!

JMO and MOO!!

:rose: God Bless You, Sweet Precious Angel!

[Lunamoth1942]

Karla Homolka's story, as detailed in Stephen Williams' two books, bears a startling resemblance to that of Kathleen Sullivan, who as a child was put into a secret military program that turned her into a mind-controlled assassin and sex slave. Stephen Williams apparently knew nothing about trauma-based mind control when he wrote INVISIBLE DARKNESS and KARLA -- so he concludes Karla was "pure evil" despite the fact he documents her history of drugging and BDSM-style slavery. These are part and parcel of the mind control trade -- and these things are being done to other children as we speak.

Kathleen Sullivan's story suggests almost anyone can be turned into a psychopath given the right drugs and "training" -- which Karla got.

Read more

http://anndiamond.blog-city.com

[daffle]

Wouldn't that be up to the US to keep her out if she tries to cross the border? Nothing Canada can do to keep her here.

I heard a rumor that people can just walk across the border from Mexico and even have a criminal record and even get a job....

[Crystal_Ann]

It makes me so angry that not only are there thousands of sane women who want nothing more then to have a child but a evil child killer was blessed with a son. It's just not fair. I feel so bad for Tammy, Leslie and Kristen. Along with their futures, they where robbed of the chance of someday being a mother yet their killer has both those things.



I would NOT, NEVER accept her as my DIL and I would NOT, NEVER accept the baby as my grandchild. If it would cost me my relationship with my Son, that's the way it would be. I am sorry, but that is the way that I feel!

I would never accept her as DIL either but I would accept the baby since a person's actions is not their child's fault. If that was my grandson, she would have a huge custody battle on her hands. I'd kidnap the kid and place them into hiding if I had too. The jail time and losing my son would be worth it if it meant my grandchild was safe from her.

[Nevo]

.....They can be and do whatever they want to each other, but why did she have to have a baby. :confused: ....

First and foremost, she should NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED OUT OF JAIL! That plea agreement she made was null and void because it stated that she had to be telling the truth. Later it was revealed that she hadn't told about the Jane Doe episode, but suddenly "remembered" it after it came to light.

WHY WASN'T THAT DEAL RESCINDED? THen, the next burning question I have is this:

If she "allowed" Paul Bernardo to rape her sister, and to participate in it also, who's to say that somewhere down the line she won't "offer up" this poor baby for some perverted sex thrill for herself or partner(s)? She's sick, SICK, SICK and no one can say she even deserves to have a child, with having been at least partially (if not TOTALLY) responsible for three young girls having lost their lives.

[ddlocs]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?

yes, for sure!!!!!!

[ddlocs]

I'll say it again. I don't understand this guy's Mother! This baby is her grandson! Where has she been? Hiding under a rock? I would become Karla's worst nightmare and the absolute Mother-In-Law from H311!

I am so scared for the baby! Who will be the first to sexually abuse and torture him? Karla or her husband, or both? It's terrifying to think about. If Karla could participate in what she did to the victims and to her very own baby Sister, she is capable of anything in my book! What would stop her even if it was her own Son?

The Mother and Son Bond is very tight. To a Son, his Mother is his first true love. A Son wants his Mother to be beyond perfect! I have a Son who is now a wonderful young man. One day, he surprised me and said how proud and thankful he was that all through his life, I conducted myself with dignity and respect and he wanted to let me know that it meant a lot to him. It just brought tears to my eyes. I gave him a great big hug and kiss. My Son is my life and I worship and love him so much!

As this poor little guy grows up into a young man, do you honestly think that he is going to say the same things to his disgusting and despicable Mother? It is so sad. He stands as much chance of having a decent and wonderful life as the people in H311 who want a glass of ice water!

Our Canadian friends, please keep us posted here in the States if you hear anything more about the baby. Thanks!

JMO and MOO!!

:rose: God Bless You, Sweet Precious Angel!

I am totally with u on this. This is a really SAD event. How can this world allow a monster like her to born a child and just "watch to see what may happen" Give me a break!! She doesn't deserve a child! She killed her own sister!!!!! (as well as others)!

[Canadian Bum]

First and foremost, she should NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED OUT OF JAIL! That plea agreement she made was null and void because it stated that she had to be telling the truth. Later it was revealed that she hadn't told about the Jane Doe episode, but suddenly "remembered" it after it came to light.

WHY WASN'T THAT DEAL RESCINDED? THen, the next burning question I have is this:

If she "allowed" Paul Bernardo to rape her sister, and to participate in it also, who's to say that somewhere down the line she won't "offer up" this poor baby for some perverted sex thrill for herself or partner(s)? She's sick, SICK, SICK and no one can say she even deserves to have a child, with having been at least partially (if not TOTALLY) responsible for three young girls having lost their lives. I hear you Nevo :seeya: In my opinion, this child has two strikes against it already :cuss: I have someone (X-cop-security specialist) who is following up on info about the boyfriend. If he is who we think he is, he's a bad azz too.

[Canadian Bum]

Just heard minutes ago, Thierry Bordelais has been named as the father of Karlas baby.

[Canadian Bum]

Sorry, that would be 940montreal.com

[goatgirl]

So in todays paper today, they have a picture & story of karla & her new baby boy...she asked that the media leave her in peace! ( ya right!)

anyways if I find a pic I will post it, he doesnt look like anything special...
and you cant see the baby, just her in wrapped up in the cold...

I will try to find a link. They also said they arent moving anywhere....
so we here in Canada are stuck with are own trash (LOL just kidding...)

thanks :)

[goatgirl]

sorry here is the link with some pictures:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2007/04/05/3924410-sun.html

[Canadian Bum]

sorry here is the link with some pictures:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2007/04/05/3924410-sun.html Thanks GG, I like knowing where she is, think of the alternative :eek: Nice to see his name in print.

[northernrflxn]

First and foremost, she should NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED OUT OF JAIL! That plea agreement she made was null and void because it stated that she had to be telling the truth. Later it was revealed that she hadn't told about the Jane Doe episode, but suddenly "remembered" it after it came to light.

Wrong. She is the one that brought it to her lawyer's attention when she recalled the attack. This was a few months after her sentencing and almost a year before the video tapes were discovered.

So many pesky FACTS in this case, eh? But don't let that stop you...it doesn't stop anybody else.

[loves2teach]

I just read the CL article on Karla's baby boy and the history of serial killers as moms and I have a bad feeling about this whole thing. Mostly I am really apprehensive and sorry for that baby. :(

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0207/0902_karla_homolka.html

I feel the same way! What kind of a world do we live in where this woman is allowed to be a mother??? :cuss:

[Tahlz]

Wrong. She is the one that brought it to her lawyer's attention when she recalled the attack. This was a few months after her sentencing and almost a year before the video tapes were discovered.

So many pesky FACTS in this case, eh? But don't let that stop you...it doesn't stop anybody else.

I have been reading this board for a while now, but never felt it was my place to say anything... But seriously, you are a complete IDIOT!
Is Karla your friend or something? You claim that no one else knows **** about this case, but how can you claim to know the case inside and out and still get on here and support that ANIMAL?????
It's people like YOU that allow animals like her to be released into society, you should be ashamed of yourself...
I would definitely be interested to see your reaction if this animal moved in next door to you and or your children/grand children...
You make me SICK!:flamemad: :cuss:

[gacountry]

I hear you Nevo :seeya: In my opinion, this child has two strikes against it already :cuss: I have someone (X-cop-security specialist) who is following up on info about the boyfriend. If he is who we think he is, he's a bad azz too.

I really like your Avatar! Hits close to my heart, thanks.

[Canadian Bum]

Thanks Gacountry, its not much but posters are asking me about her.

[gacountry]

Thanks Gacountry, its not much but posters are asking me about her.

Wonderful and I do mean WONDERFUL, thank you so much.

[Livia]

To answer freshwater's question:

Normally I am against forced sterilization, but in this case? OH YEAH!!! There are enough monsters in the world already--we don't need to have them breeding all over the place!!! :flamemad:

I agree with the poster who commented on how so many perfectly good, decent women want children but aren't able to have any--yet this thing has a baby and no one will be checking on that poor child's welfare--this from a woman who participated in the rape and death of her own young sister--not to mention her other victims!!!

The child should have been taken away from her at birth. I don't care that she has "served her time"--the few years she spent in prison are a slap in the face to her victims and their poor families. She's not fit to live, much less procreate!!

As for this child perhaps being "safe" because he's a male--I say, don't bet on it!! :mad: Sociopaths like her take their victims where they can find them--if she didn't hesitate to violate her own little sister, why would she suddenly be concerned about this child's welfare?!

And has it occurred to anyone else--what if her next child is a girl???

Karla isn't too old to have another child.

She could indeed be planning to "create" her next victims--thanks to the fool who married her and impregnated her.

God help us all!!!! :(

[Moviefan]

Here you can find more information and discussion about Karla, her baby and her crimes :

[Freddy3754]

Soooo.... Karla wants us all to believe that she was the victim. Well.... she must believe us to all be incredibly stupid or she is....

Karla is a vicitimizer and she proves that again by becoming a mother. This was a diabolical decision she has made as a free person.... I bet you Kristen and Leslie....not to mention Tammy.... would have appreciated being freed.

Karla wanted to be a mother.... she failed miserably the day she became pregnant. If I knew that my child was going to be exposed to my history and my history being as despicable as it is.... if I truly loved children... I wouldn't subject them to the experience. Karla may have never raised a hand to this baby boy.... perhaps, she feeds him on time.... cuddles him when he cries....maybe she is believing that this makes everything allright. But, she has done the worst a mother could ever do to a child.... she has set him up to a life of ridicule and judgement.

As he grows, we will wonder what traits he inherited from his mother.... he will be hounded.... maybe not to the extent that his mother is.... but he will have an increasingly unfair aura about him.

It'll start the day that Karla wants a babysitter.... it will start the day he learns to read.... he will learn of an aunt he never had.... of two young girls cut down in the beginning of their lives. He will feel Canada's hatred for his mother.... he will never be allowed to respect or have pride in her.... or atleast to show it....

Yeah.... you're a real sweet lady, Karla....you've set your own flesh up again for the predators. A mother.... you are not.

[lucky13]

That evil witch should still be in prison- for LIFE! It infuriates me that she got away with so much. 12 years for killing 3 different people!! Where is the justice here? I saw her on the videos that they made & she was NOT a victim. She was into it just as much as he was. She loved it. Ugh. Now she has a baby?? Yes, she should have been sterilized. That poor child will grow up & find out what a devil her mommy was. How will that affect her, I wonder.....

[Sasha1122]

That evil witch should still be in prison- for LIFE! It infuriates me that she got away with so much. 12 years for killing 3 different people!! Where is the justice here? I saw her on the videos that they made & she was NOT a victim. She was into it just as much as he was. She loved it. Ugh. Now she has a baby?? Yes, she should have been sterilized. That poor child will grow up & find out what a devil her mommy was. How will that affect her, I wonder.....

You SAW the videotapes? Really? That amazes me. Let me tell you why: Only the attorneys, the judge, the investigators, and the jurors were allowed to see the actual tapes. As a matter of fact, they were the only ones allowed to view the tapes in the court room. Everyone else could only HEAR what was being said and done. Of course, there have been rumours about copies floating around. Stephen Williams was investigated for having what the police deemed "partial transcripts" of what transpired, which led them to believe he had viewed the tapes. You must really be an individual "in the know" if you viewed them. What did you hope to gain by viewing them? Perhaps you obtained one of these illegal copies? If so, that makes you a criminal.

I would hope that most people would not be like you. I hope most people would be kind and compassionate towards a child REGARDLESS of who the parents are. The children of criminals are all around you. Many of them live productive, meaningful lives despite the actions of their parents. Despite the spitefulness of people like you.

[baked_tater]

You SAW the videotapes? Really? That amazes me. Let me tell you why: Only the attorneys, the judge, the investigators, and the jurors were allowed to see the actual tapes. As a matter of fact, they were the only ones allowed to view the tapes in the court room. Everyone else could only HEAR what was being said and done. Of course, there have been rumours about copies floating around. Stephen Williams was investigated for having what the police deemed "partial transcripts" of what transpired, which led them to believe he had viewed the tapes. You must really be an individual "in the know" if you viewed them. What did you hope to gain by viewing them? Perhaps you obtained one of these illegal copies? If so, that makes you a criminal.

I would hope that most people would not be like you. I hope most people would be kind and compassionate towards a child REGARDLESS of who the parents are. The children of criminals are all around you. Many of them live productive, meaningful lives despite the actions of their parents. Despite the spitefulness of people like you.

I am not in the know about inside info re: this case, however, I could swear I saw a snippet of the tape on tv at one time, or maybe it was just one of the stills or photos from the books. The one I recall is with her sister.

[cami]

That evil witch should still be in prison- for LIFE! It infuriates me that she got away with so much. 12 years for killing 3 different people!! Where is the justice here? I saw her on the videos that they made & she was NOT a victim. She was into it just as much as he was. She loved it. Ugh. Now she has a baby?? Yes, she should have been sterilized. That poor child will grow up & find out what a devil her mommy was. How will that affect her, I wonder.....

get real, I don't believe you have seen those videos at all. No one has seen them except LE, the lawyers, the jury and judge and a few others but not the public, they were sealed almost the moment they were turned over to LE and they have since been destroyed.

[cami]

I am not in the know about inside info re: this case, however, I could swear I saw a snippet of the tape on tv at one time, or maybe it was just one of the stills or photos from the books. The one I recall is with her sister.

Yes the burn mark on her face has been published but nothing else. You have not seen snippets of the tapes on tv, you saw the autopsy photo of Tammy's face.

[cami]

Hi Cami, to the best of my knowledge Karlas legal name is still Karla Leanne Homolka.(nee Teale) Your correct that on June 8 2006 her chosen name of Emily Chiara Tremblay was rejected, so as it is, Karla is only using her maiden name. What ever her name, evil is evil!

Actually it's Karla Teale (nee Homolka). Homolka was her maiden name, she became Karla Bernardo when she married Paul. She and Paul changed their last name to Teale in 1992.

[Canadian Bum]

:o Forgive my mistake Cami. :rose: Bump :) LTNC Cami

[Teacher]

Just wait about 13 years. Have any of you ever had a teenage kid? Hell hath no fury like a sullen teenager. If there is a God, this kid will give Karla a lifetime of arguments, rebellion, talking back, stealing money, getting into mom's stash, oh yeah...Karla is about to be sentenced to a lifetime of grief.

Thank god for teenagers!

[Pennibelle]

I do not mean to be a 'Buzz Kill', however........I would like to say that just because Karla is evil and caused 'Gosh-Who-Knows' whatever chaos for her parents.........doesn't mean that this Precious, Innocent, Soul will be the same DAMNABLE spirit as his 'birth Mother'.


Let's not Pre-Judge the character and life of another individual (especially a PURE Soul) based on the evil of his/her parent(s). Let's not be lazy.

JMO

[michellerenee68]

Karla serves only 12 years for 3 murders of young girls and now she is out free as a bird and now has a child of her own?!

Where is the justice for the victims families? where is the justice for the victims? She is out jet setting to "the islands" with her husband and baby and the girls lie dead in their graves and their families will suffer the loss oftheir babiesforever.

She should not be out of prison, she should be in a concrete cell for the rest of her life or strapped to a gurney with a needle in her arm..


In my humble opinion.:flamemad: :flamemad:

[Honey Fitz]

Karla serves only 12 years for 3 murders of young girls and now she is out free as a bird and now has a child of her own?!

Where is the justice for the victims families? where is the justice for the victims? She is out jet setting to "the islands" with her husband and baby and the girls lie dead in their graves and their families will suffer the loss oftheir babiesforever.

She should not be out of prison, she should be in a concrete cell for the rest of her life or strapped to a gurney with a needle in her arm..


In my humble opinion.:flamemad: :flamemad:Thank You that's what I will never understand, they had video of her and in no way needed her testimony. I am still in shock that she got off so easy and I did not know she has had a baby, thanks for the update.

[The R]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?

ABSOLUTELY!

At the very least the child should be taken away for adoption. Karla doesn't deserve to have the privilege of parenthood.


ALLMO,
R

[tourist#1]

ABSOLUTELY!

At the very least the child should be taken away for adoption. Karla doesn't deserve to have the privilege of parenthood.


ALLMO,
R


I agree. I so pity that poor child!

[Family Snapshot]

I hoped that we would never hear about this piece of human filth again. And yet, here we are wasting minutes of our lives talking about someone so depraved that it baffles the imagination. I defy anyone to explain how an abusive husband mitigates the fact that she participated in torture and multiple murders. Could you be coerced by any means, including violence or psychological abuse, to be part of the things that she has done? Is your sense of self-importance and preservation so great that you would participate in the sacrifice of another human being? What if it was your own flesh and blood? If it were you, could you walk out of prison and find a life so easily?

Go so far as to say she's remorseful and repentant. It's difficult to see that in her actions. After all she didn't join a convent or dedicate her life to helping abused women or even have the decency to kill herself. She chose instead to have a child who cannot help but be infected by hatred and darkness. It only shows how rotted her soul really is.

[Family Snapshot]

I do not mean to be a 'Buzz Kill', however........I would like to say that just because Karla is evil and caused 'Gosh-Who-Knows' whatever chaos for her parents.........doesn't mean that this Precious, Innocent, Soul will be the same DAMNABLE spirit as his 'birth Mother'.


Let's not Pre-Judge the character and life of another individual (especially a PURE Soul) based on the evil of his/her parent(s). Let's not be lazy.

JMO
I agree, but think of the albatross she has given this child to carry. If he doesn't absorb her darkness you don't think that there are people out there whole will judge him based on her actions for his entire life? Even assuming that doesn't happen, how does a child deal with the fact that his mother is a sociopathic serial killer? Most 13 year olds can't deal with a father who wears white tube socks with his shorts!

[DigitalDreamKat]

Most 13 years old can't cope with anything their parents do :)

I agree with PenniBelle. While I'm not religious, I do believe that the sins of the father, or mother in this case, should not be visited upon the child, IMO.

I actually think that the media is going to play a much larger part in corrupting this child's life, than her mother ever will. JMO.

[G12]

A mother, after watching a show on her and her husband last week( how ironic i found this message board) she should never have been able to see the light of day.
I for one do not belive one iota that she was a victim, she helped kill her own 15 year old sister. the battered wife bull**** only happened when the skid marks in her drawers started to show.:chicken:
She is just a guilty as her ex and a deal should never have been made with her.

Her sister and the other two victims are not able to be here to have children and neither shoud she.

[sweetcharlotte]

get real, I don't believe you have seen those videos at all. No one has seen them except LE, the lawyers, the jury and judge and a few others but not the public, they were sealed almost the moment they were turned over to LE and they have since been destroyed.

Yes, she did see videos of her interviews and her sister's autopsy - they were shown again just last night.

[jjamrfamily]

Hi to all,
I'm fairly new to the message board and was reading the posts about Karla and her baby. I too believe she received a very light sentence despite whatever claims she had about being a "victim." Whatever. As for having her own child, I always thought it horribly ironic when people such as her have a baby while other loving, caring adults desperately try, but can't. Her three victims will never get the chance and for one of them to have been her sister...I just don't know how she lives with herself, much less procreates.

[Wichita]

Psychopathic personality types have no conscience. Combine psychopathy with narcissistic tendencies, voila! There is the recipe for being able to sexually abuse, and torture your sister without the least remorse, then claim victim status. I fear for her child....

[Sharon]

I agree, but think of the albatross she has given this child to carry. If he doesn't absorb her darkness you don't think that there are people out there whole will judge him based on her actions for his entire life? Even assuming that doesn't happen, how does a child deal with the fact that his mother is a sociopathic serial killer? Most 13 year olds can't deal with a father who wears white tube socks with his shorts!

Agree with everything. She has given her son some start to life. Even little things like.....do you think any parents would want him coming over top their house to play?. Would you want her in your parents group at school? Would you let your child go to his house for a sleep over?

Even if most people dont think the child is evil, Im guessing that most people would still want to distance themself and their own children from him.

Maybe they will set up where no one knows them????

[Sharon]

I hoped that we would never hear about this piece of human filth again. And yet, here we are wasting minutes of our lives talking about someone so depraved that it baffles the imagination. I defy anyone to explain how an abusive husband mitigates the fact that she participated in torture and multiple murders. Could you be coerced by any means, including violence or psychological abuse, to be part of the things that she has done? Is your sense of self-importance and preservation so great that you would participate in the sacrifice of another human being? What if it was your own flesh and blood? If it were you, could you walk out of prison and find a life so easily?

Go so far as to say she's remorseful and repentant. It's difficult to see that in her actions. After all she didn't join a convent or dedicate her life to helping abused women or even have the decency to kill herself. She chose instead to have a child who cannot help but be infected by hatred and darkness. It only shows how rotted her soul really is.

Well said.
There are two distinct tragedies here to be angry about.
(1) The absolute depravity of the crimes themselves. Killing your own kid sister to please your sick perverted sex life amongst other devious acts of murder and torture.
and
(2) The unbelievably light sentence given to Karla.

It is the second event that causes so much outrage. The sentencing was meant to reflect justice for the victims. There was little justice served for NO reason. This POS got off so lightly, and enjoyed such a social stint in jail....it defies logic.

Was anyone ever accountable for her being given a too soft sentence. Were they influenced by her looks???? If the court did not have to abide by the deal due to new evidence, why did they honor this agreement with the devil???

[WarmNCozy]

<Snip> Maybe they will set up where no one knows them????

What planet would that be? I feel really badly for the child and the genes he inherited from his Mother. There are some people who should never be allowed to procreate, and she is one of them. God help this child!

[tabykitten]

So what is the deal with her new 'hubby'? He must be fairly well off if they were/are thinking of relocating, has there been any word on what he does (besides marry badly?)

[Canadian Bum]

So what is the deal with her new 'hubby'? He must be fairly well off if they were/are thinking of relocating, has there been any word on what he does (besides marry badly?) Hi there Tabykitten :seeya: I tried to confirm what he does, this may just be his "lifestyle". Ages ago, I met someone who offered to help but never heard back. I wish I had notes in front of me... but as far as I recall, they are still here and not married. If they were to relocate, then it may be to his family in the Islands, (Antilles?) what's that airfare maybe? :shrug: ( but he could have $$) I was asked to confirm if " Karlas boyfriend (TB) was related to Karlas Lawyer SB ? It is rumored that SB introduced the couple. Maybe this is a common name, but they share it. The other thing I was asked to confirm was " is TB a Hells Angel", I can't confirm this either... this might explain a few things. I was told this by a chap from Montreal who said " it's common knowledge what TB does". When I asked around, people refused to speak about Karla, some, would/could not speak english. ( my french is worse than my spelling) I admit to falling asleep on this. Sorry, but it's all I have. Welcome :)

[tabykitten]

Thanks for that :) Such a nice community here, I'm glad to have found it!

[Canadian Bum]

Anytime TK :seeya: Pop into the lounge soon, we have cream :D

[Seashell]

That Karla has had a child begs an important and controversial subject. Should women and men who have been convicted of these types of henious crimes be sterilized?
definitelly! in UK the social services would have taken the baby from her and put into adoption :flamemad:
i remember reading about this evil couples deviations when i first found crimelibrary and i was feeling sick specially the part where she also helped her partner in crime to rape and murder her young sister she did an unspeakable act on her unconcious sister! :cuss: i cant even repeat it here but believe me when i say this... i hope one day she suffers for her evil doing's :cuss:

I cant imagine how her parents must be feeling specially knowing that their monster of a daughter is also responsible for murdering their younger daughter... and giving birth to an innocent infant!
God help that baby ..


This woman reminds me of a case from the 60's in the UK:
Murder on the MOORS

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/moors/index_1.html
i want you to look at these 2 womens eyes:
http://www.didtheydie.com/morgue/images/myra_hindley.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/ed/200px-KarlaHomolka_1993.jpg
evil expressions, different times and yet both also joined in the murders and torture.

[WarmNCozy]

definitelly! in UK the social services would have taken the baby from her and put into adoption :flamemad:
i remember reading about this evil couples deviations when i first found crimelibrary and i was feeling sick specially the part where she also helped her partner in crime to rape and murder her young sister she did an unspeakable act on her unconcious sister! :cuss: i cant even repeat it here but believe me when i say this... i hope one day she suffers for her evil doing's :cuss:

I cant imagine how her parents must be feeling specially knowing that their monster of a daughter is also responsible for murdering their younger daughter... and giving birth to an innocent infant!
God help that baby ..


This woman reminds me of a case from the 60's in the UK:
Murder on the MOORS

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/moors/index_1.html
i want you to look at these 2 womens eyes:
http://www.didtheydie.com/morgue/images/myra_hindley.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/ed/200px-KarlaHomolka_1993.jpg
evil expressions, different times and yet both also joined in the murders and torture.

This story made me want to barf! I'm baffled by the sickness of so many people in this world who hold life in such low esteem as though a human life was a piece of toilet paper or worse!

[Seashell]

This story made me want to barf! I'm baffled by the sickness of so many people in this world who hold life in such low esteem as though a human life was a piece of toilet paper or worse!
So true!

Myra died at the age of 60 in jail, i also remember one of the childrens victims parent swearing that if Myra ever got out of jail the mother if the child was waiting to kill her, i am glad to say that the UK decided to keep both murderers behind bars for the reast of their days, even Ian Brady for all the evil he was also guilty of, asked the authorities to not let him out nor let Myra out ever...
he at least admitted to his evilness, she was as guilty as hell and tried for years to get out, she even had the nerve to say she had converted to religion.
I hope she went straight to hell and burns there forever.
Its hard to believe God exists when you read of such horrors in this world.

[Hondagirl]

Well this is my first post here , saddened and disturbed by reading this. I moved away from that city where it all happend the begining of this year and I don't have a t.v (crazy I KNOW LOl personal choice)But I saw a movie the other day that reminded me of Kristen and I thought to myself I wonder if anyone got to that waste of life Karla yet.So I googled for info and found myself here..........I can't even believe that horrible woman is having children!!!!! and who is the insane man that wants her for heavens sakes!!
I read another news report saying Karla was seen applying for health benifits. NOW I am paying for that pyscho to get free health care too ! I can't even believe I am reading this crap . I have soo much anger when readin this news it's unbelievable , I can only imagine what this is doing to the poor parents who lost there daughters to that sicko .

[Shelley420]

[QUOTE=2L8 4A D8;8813293] Snipped
That's also why I will never understand how Karla's Mom and Sister support her even though she helped in the rape and murder of her baby sister, Tammy! Not to mention the other two innocent girls, Leslie and Kristen!
QUOTE]

Yep it is unbelievable isn't it? It would be hard enough supporting any child of yours that has committed murder, but when one of the victims is your other daughter or sister...I cannot understand that. It is great to be forgiving, but some people need not to be forgiven but held accountable for what they did. She is part of a serial killer partnership and should have never been let out! Now she is a mother...that poor baby, having a mother who is a callous, emotionless monster. :confused:

[The Real Canuck]

[QUOTE=2L8 4A D8;8813293] Snipped
That's also why I will never understand how Karla's Mom and Sister support her even though she helped in the rape and murder of her baby sister, Tammy! Not to mention the other two innocent girls, Leslie and Kristen!
QUOTE]

Yep it is unbelievable isn't it? It would be hard enough supporting any child of yours that has committed murder, but when one of the victims is your other daughter or sister...I cannot understand that. It is great to be forgiving, but some people need not to be forgiven but held accountable for what they did. She is part of a serial killer partnership and should have never been let out! Now she is a mother...that poor baby, having a mother who is a callous, emotionless monster. :confused:


IMO the very fact that they are supportive of her speaks to why she ended up the way she did. Why should her mother and sister hold her accountable now? She was probably never held accountable for anything in her life imo.

[Callie]

:eek: Well I'll be, the story is true after all. Disgusting - :mad:

I think I'm gonna puke!

[FrankieBones1]

It amazes me that any man would want to be near her let alone have a child with her.

[dobbylupin]

It's a pity Karla couldn't have been sterilised whilse she was in jail. Donna French and Debbie Mahaffy will never get to mother Kristen and Leslie, who were taken from them by this evil creature and her horrible hubby, why should Karla get to have children?

[lesley jane]

"I am sorry, but I would NOT, NEVER accept her as my DIL and I would NOT, NEVER accept the baby as my grandchild."



I think that's a terrible, terrible thing to say... i understand not accepting HER as a daughter-in-law (in fact i would agree with the baby being taken away from her) but how can you possibly blame an innocent baby for its mother's craziness and horrific past? seems to me the baby is the one that would need acceptance rather than being rejected as you so lovingly put it. or maybe i misunderstood.. did the baby do something that i'm not aware of, or are you just narrow-minded? Karla Holmolka deserves to be in jail forever. a baby doesn't deserve to be condemned. it wasn't asked to be born.

[VictorianLady]

"I am sorry, but I would NOT, NEVER accept her as my DIL and I would NOT, NEVER accept the baby as my grandchild."



I think that's a terrible, terrible thing to say... i understand not accepting HER as a daughter-in-law (in fact i would agree with the baby being taken away from her) but how can you possibly blame an innocent baby for its mother's craziness and horrific past? seems to me the baby is the one that would need acceptance rather than being rejected as you so lovingly put it. or maybe i misunderstood.. did the baby do something that i'm not aware of, or are you just narrow-minded? Karla Holmolka deserves to be in jail forever. a baby doesn't deserve to be condemned. it wasn't asked to be born.


Well, that is the reality, when people find out who this kid's mother is, he's not going to be welcome anywhere! She sure is selfish and self-centered, she didn't even consider that any off-spring of hers will/could be outcasted from society. 2l8 4d8 has always been kind and open-minded in all her other postings, I can understand why she feels this way about killer karla, it is harsh to think that way, but what karla did, and got away with still burns alot of people from ALL over the world! I never realized how many posters from different continents keep an eye on past murderers. This is the one of the benefits of the internet. From what I read on here, and locally, children killers are the worst lowest form of society. WHY a child killer can have her own child, and still raise it on her own (or with a pimple brained sperm donar) just amazes me! Where are the social services in canada now? what the hell kind of criteria do they have in place? I guess if they are along the same track as the police that bought into her b.s. before, well, we can only wait and see. once again, JMHO.

[VictorianLady]

[QUOTE=Shelley420;9023660]


IMO the very fact that they are supportive of her speaks to why she ended up the way she did. Why should her mother and sister hold her accountable now? She was probably never held accountable for anything in her life imo.

Well thought post! I think along the same way, it's worthy studying, past human atrocities, just to see what the future will hold.

[RaVeN71806]

I remeber seeing this on Autopsy Stories or Reports on HBO a couple years back...till this day my husband will not watch it...it bothered him so bad and upset...this women doesn't deserve anything precious in her life...just the life he will live because of what his mother did to her younger sister...and the man that married has to be just as demented for marrying such a monster...

[Robyn]

Karla Homolka's motherhood is outrageous. I read about Karla Homolka and her partner in crime Paul Bernardo and the way they raped and murdered her own sister, Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French. I believed she was as guilty as Paul. I feel the tapes found proved that Karla Homolka was not as innocent as she was insisting. She was only given a 12 year sentence in order to testify against her husband.

I can't believe she is a mother now. She helped take 3 other childrens lives. I remember the judge in Quebec ordered her to stay away from children after her July 2005 release from Joliette prison. Talk about ironic.

[Butch46]

It's a shame someone like karla can get away with what she did,but the cops at the time did not believe she was part of it, and was a victim,yah,right,what she helped do to her sister alone is unforgivable,not counting those other poor girls,and now shes free and a Mom,whats wrong with this picture,what's she going to tell her child or children when they get old enough,unreal.!!

[Canadian Bum]

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