What Of Killers Messages

[watson]

Whoever killed Elizabeth Short contacted the press and police at least once. Beth's (Betty's) body was found on 1-15-47 and the case soon got enormous publicity from the almost tabloid style newspapers of the day. Apparently as a result of all the publicity on about 1-24-47 the killer sent to a newspaper an envelope package. Scrawled on the front of which in pasted on, cut out magazine and newsprint letters was the message....'Here is Dahlia's Belongings letter to follow'....inside the package were the victims social security card, drivers license, claim check at the bus depot, etc....proving the package and message came from the killer. The package was dropped into a mail box in front of the downtown Biltmore Hotel, the last place the victim was definitely seen alive. There were rumors it had been soaked in gasoline to remove fingerprints. Given the message on the outside of the enveolpe it was caught by postal inspectors and turned over to police.
The whole thing was printed in the media, with the papers encouging the killer to send his follow up letter. Having recieved no such second letter for about 10 days the papers created one, and printed it, saying that the killer was sorry and would turn himself in. In the next rape, bludgeon murder to occur in downtown LA/Hollywood, that of Marie French found nude in a vacant lot on 2-10-47, her killer, wrote a message to poice on the victims thigh in lip stick, that said.....F**K YOU!, Some LE at the time and experts later took this to be the Dahlia killer's response to the fake news articles that said he was sorry or would ever turn himself in. No other communications were ever proven to come from the killer, however because of the news sensation the papers and LE got tons of fake ones for years.
What does the killers 1 known for sure message, and his possibly second writing on a possible next victim tell us about this killer, any thoughts?

[diamond d]

The Dahlia killing was a murder of the heart, the person killed her because he could not be with her, that is why he sent the package to the police, a jesture of respect and caring for her. The second letter that never came was going to be a type of love letter, confession of killers love and remorse for the killing. The police's fake letter angered the killer. Thus the second killing was out of anger, with the lipstick written note a statement expressing that.

[glennmcmellon]

just watches a programme on the black dahlia on tv.what a sad story and how horrific she died,looks like she did no wrong to anyone but be a "escort" for drinks and meals.no one deserves to die in the way she did.she looked like she had been cut in two pieces by a train or something.i find it quite difficult to understand how some person could do this to another human being without feeling remorse or actually owning up to someone what they have done.i imagine the person who did kill the black dahlia is long dead and maybe we will never know how did this hideous crime.:shrug:

[diamond d]

I wouldn't say escort, I'd say accompanied.

[Lili007]

I wouldn't say escort, I'd say accompanied.

"Accompanied"??? Certainly - to her funeral.

JMO,
Lili

[lildoxiedog]

I don't think it was a murder from the heart. I think the killer was angered that she rejected his advances and he wanted more than she was willing to give. I also think the murderer had an enormous ego, that's why he sent her belongings to the police. Not as a gesture of care towards his victim, but as a taunt to police. Saying to the effect that I'm the killer, I'm smarter than you, you will not catch me. I also doubt that the killer stopped after two victims unless circumstances stopped him.

[Meg1345]

I've read every book about Beth's murder, with the exception of Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer, and all of them agree that Beth's murder was planned out, she wasn't going on a date with some guy, whom she later rejected and he just killed her. This was meticulously planned out by the sick ******* who did this to her. And this nonesense about her infantile genetalia is completely false. There was never any proof whatsoever of her not being able to have sex. In fact, in the FBI files they have at least two men who said they did have sexual relations with Beth. Many things written in Severed by John Gilmore are false and unfounded, he has no sources whatsoever. I recommend anybody who read his book to take it with a grain of salt, as he obviously can't give us his sources. And I personally dislike anybody who feels the need to print those gruesome pictures in a book just because they can, with the exception of the book Exquisite Corpse: Surrealism and the Black Dahlia because they are comparing her to surrealist art. And the messages were a way of saying to the police 'Haha, you can't catch me, and the Black Dahlia deserved it', which of course is rediculous, because nobody deserves that.

[packy]

I read the Janice Knowlton story quite a while ago, and I did have to wonder about some of what she said. I understand she has passed away. I've read other books too and felt the same way -- wondering about some of their statements as if they could be true. Yet everyone of the so-called solutions seem to have holes in them too and I doubt we'll ever know the truth.

[Meg1345]

I read the Janice Knowlton story quite a while ago, and I did have to wonder about some of what she said. I understand she has passed away. I've read other books too and felt the same way -- wondering about some of their statements as if they could be true. Yet everyone of the so-called solutions seem to have holes in them too and I doubt we'll ever know the truth.

The only reason I haven't read Janice's story is because I can't get ahold of the book. She obviously had a deep and troubled childhood, and I empathize with her. But yes, I too do doubt the likelyhood that we will ever find the killer. The case is so cold that we will never have the hope of finding the killer, not to mention the person has probably passed on since the heinous crime. All I know, and believe, is that the sick ******* who did this is hopefully burning in hell, while Beth is happy and peaceful in heaven.

[diamond d]

Regarding Beth and her genitailia, I have not read many books on this case at all, infact I have just skimmed throught various writings on it here and there, However, I did watch a documentary quite recently late last year that stated the newest fact they had in the case was that the official autopsy report, the one that has not been seen before, for some reason clearly stated that Beth was 100% unable to have sexual intercourse due to mal-developed genitailia. This was clearly written on the official autopsy document they showed on the program. Unless this document was completely fraudulent and made up, Beth was a hermaphradite. If this is really the case I would say that this fact will definitely make an impact in the ongoing investigation.

[soulfunkgroove]

Which one was the book that talked about the photographer Man Ray and the author's dad being involved in the killing? Was that Janice Knowlton? That was the most preposterous thing I've read!

Here's what has always bothered me about this case: if she was cut in half, all the blood drained from her body, and then the body washed and carefully cleaned, someone had to be pretty clever and also have planned it fairly well to have killed her. It isn't easy to saw a person in half (is it? I'm assuming here) and it's bound to leave a lot of blood. Whoever it was would have to be somewhat isolated in order to commit the murder, or at least have access to a very isolated place to do all this. And then to go to the risk to dump her body like that...it's very weird to me. How could they not have ever found him? Were there even any decent suspects?

About that autopsy report, are those things public knowledge? I mean can anyone read it? What was the tv show you saw it on?

This murder fascinates me.

[Jadedblueeyes]

Which one was the book that talked about the photographer Man Ray and the author's dad being involved in the killing? Was that Janice Knowlton? That was the most preposterous thing I've read!

Here's what has always bothered me about this case: if she was cut in half, all the blood drained from her body, and then the body washed and carefully cleaned, someone had to be pretty clever and also have planned it fairly well to have killed her. It isn't easy to saw a person in half (is it? I'm assuming here) and it's bound to leave a lot of blood. Whoever it was would have to be somewhat isolated in order to commit the murder, or at least have access to a very isolated place to do all this. And then to go to the risk to dump her body like that...it's very weird to me. How could they not have ever found him? Were there even any decent suspects?

About that autopsy report, are those things public knowledge? I mean can anyone read it? What was the tv show you saw it on?

This murder fascinates me.

I often wondered if the killer had his own laboratory. Where he had a place to lay out the body, drain the blood and clean it and not be suspected or detected. I have always felt it was someone very knowledgeable in the medical field or someone who may have worked in slaughter houses maybe even an understaker. Jobs that where they would have a need of using a meat cleaver, saws etc to separate bones and blood drain areas.:shrug:

imoo

[packy]

The only reason I haven't read Janice's story is because I can't get ahold of the book. She obviously had a deep and troubled childhood, and I empathize with her. But yes, I too do doubt the likelyhood that we will ever find the killer. The case is so cold that we will never have the hope of finding the killer, not to mention the person has probably passed on since the heinous crime. All I know, and believe, is that the sick ******* who did this is hopefully burning in hell, while Beth is happy and peaceful in heaven.

You can still get the book at Amazon for $7.99. http://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Black-Dahlia-Killer-Murderer-Revealed/dp/0671880845

I believe most everyone discounts her story, but there were some things about it that could be believable. Although there is so much to learn about repressed memories that we do have to take it all with a grain of salt.

Something about the letter and pkg. sent to the press reminded me of the BTK killer who did the same kinds of things. One thing that seems to stand out is that some of the other similar type murders in that area at that time would not seem to be related unless letters or items were also sent. Thinking that her killer needed to goad or feel some kind of satisfaction out of seeing himselfm although still anonymous, in the public eye.

[soulfunkgroove]

I often wondered if the killer had his own laboratory. Where he had a place to lay out the body, drain the blood and clean it and not be suspected or detected. I have always felt it was someone very knowledgeable in the medical field or someone who may have worked in slaughter houses maybe even an understaker. Jobs that where they would have a need of using a meat cleaver, saws etc to separate bones and blood drain areas.:shrug:

imoo

Exactly. What's creepy to me is that this is exactly the same stuff people have said about Jack the Ripper. Not the laboratory part, but the 'medical knowledge' part.

[WarmNCozy]

Which one was the book that talked about the photographer Man Ray and the author's dad being involved in the killing? Was that Janice Knowlton? That was the most preposterous thing I've read!

Here's what has always bothered me about this case: if she was cut in half, all the blood drained from her body, and then the body washed and carefully cleaned, someone had to be pretty clever and also have planned it fairly well to have killed her. It isn't easy to saw a person in half (is it? I'm assuming here) and it's bound to leave a lot of blood. Whoever it was would have to be somewhat isolated in order to commit the murder, or at least have access to a very isolated place to do all this. And then to go to the risk to dump her body like that...it's very weird to me. How could they not have ever found him? Were there even any decent suspects?

About that autopsy report, are those things public knowledge? I mean can anyone read it? What was the tv show you saw it on?

This murder fascinates me.

You might be interested in this website.

http://www.blackdahliasolution.org/final.htm