Myths In The Ramsey Case

[nuisanceposter]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA.

There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

[LindaA]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism. :rolleyes:

[nuisanceposter]

Did you check the link and read the entire article?

It didn't come from the Globe - it's an editorial from the Pueblo Cheiftain. The only mention of the Globe is in the first sentence where the author refers to the current Globe issue with an age-progressed artist-rendered picture of JonBenet.

Nothing else about the article has anything to do with The Globe. The author, Chuck Green, is a veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Denver Post, who also syndicates a statewide column. That's a lot better crendentials than the Globe, now innit?

[sweetcharlotte]

If I'm not mistaken the article is copyrighted.

[Sprocket]

It's interesting that the Globe picked up this article by this very respected journalist.

And, it's nice to see FOX news interviewing Tom Wickman, mentioning similar information.

[andU]

I have to admit that I do have doubts about the DNA... I really consider it worthless ... but I hope I am wrong. Unless someone takes enough interest in this case to pursue other evidence (or to test what is in storage), there may be no closure at all. I have not wanted to admit to these feelings.
I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.

[Tober]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

Ah yes, Michael Tracey -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism.

[Coloradokares]

Ah yes, The Globe -- that paragon of unimpeachable journalism. :rolleyes:

The article was not from the Globe. the picture of what JonBenet would look like was. Chuck Green is about as unimpeachable a resource as you could want. JMHO

[SnarkyCow]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA.

There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

Very interesting read! Thanks for posting this!

[shill]

"It is a myth" is just another way of saying "IMO"

[Louisadelmar]

http://www.chieftain.com/editorial/1167216177/3

The current issue of Globe magazine, one of the popular supermarket tabloids, has an artist’s rendition of what 16-year-old JonBenet Ramsey might look like today if she hadn’t been murdered during Christmas Night 10 years ago.

Predictably she would have matured into an attractive - not stunningly so - teenager with all the appearances of an affluent lifestyle and happy social life.

There was one big omission from that portrait, however. She wasn’t wearing a beauty queen’s tiara and sash.

Unless she had rebelled against her domineering mother’s demands, JonBenet would have been groomed to compete in all the big pageants - Miss Teen, Miss America and Miss USA. Even today she might be preparing to live in a Big Apple suite provided by Donald Trump..

Yup. A mother so domineering she’s criticized for being too permissive. So domineering that when her daughter decided she wanted to wear an outfit other than what her mother had chosen – she did.

None of that was pictured in the doctored-up "photo" of JonBenet, though, and so it’s just about as genuine as a lot of other "myths" in the strange murder case.

There is a myth that DNA evidence eventually will solve the case, when the reality is that - even according to world-class expert Dr. Henry Lee - JonBenet’s killer didn’t leave behind any incriminating DNA..

Funny I haven’t read Lee saying that. He said it could be artifact. On the other hand Lee hasn’t been involved with the case for a long time. Was he involved at all with DNAX? Like all of us, Lee isn’t infallable. Remember his cement shoe prints at the OJ trial? Recently a producer was quoted as saying the DNA found in her underwear was 10 to 12 times the concentration of 'trace' DNA found in other packages. Wonder what Lee would say in response to that?



There is a myth that a grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to indict anyone for the slaying. The reality is that the jurors were never allowed to vote on whether they thought there was enough evidence to indict.
Source?

There is a myth that, after the first few hours of the investigation when the scene was compromised, that the Ramsey home was under tight police control. The reality is that JonBenet’s aunt, Pam Paugh, was allowed to cart boxes full of the family’s belongings out of the house a couple of days after the murder, disturbing forensic evidence in several rooms - including JonBenet’s bedroom.
Source = Steve Thomas

There is a myth that there isn’t any available evidence that hasn’t been secured. However, Fleet White, a close friend of JonBenet’s father, still hasn’t been confident enough with the integrity of the investigation to fully explain his suspicions - and he was with John Ramsey when his daughter’s body was discovered in a basement storage room. Additionally, all medical and psychological records of JonBenet and her mother, Patsy, haven’t been subpoenaed - something that can now be easily accomplished since both of them are dead.
They didn’t need to be subpoenaed because the Ramseys signed them over.

There is a myth that because the Ramseys were suspects, no other leads were followed. The reality is that thousands of hours of investigative work were devoted to the pursuit of more than 100 potential suspects.

They why was Thomas having kittens when Lou Smit entered evidence related to intruders in the evidence book?

There is a myth that JonBenet’s parents slept through the night, while the murder was occurring in the house. The reality is that some investigators say that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same clothes on the morning of the murder as she wore the previous night, and that her side of the Ramsey bed hadn’t been slept in.
Like Steve Thomas?

The popular myths will never be dispensed with until the murder is solved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmm, here's another source saying the GJ didn't get to vote, among other very interesting things...such as the amount of time and effort BPD put into this case, and how many suspects they covered. I think it's simply shameful that Lacy has been wasting time and money on a man who consistently points the finger at the wrong person, Michael Tracey. This case will never be solved as long as it's in the hands of biased officials.

Greene does editorials. Editorials are opinions. His opinion has always been that the Ramseys are guilty. He's hardly an inside or neutral source.

[Eagle1]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.

Yes, Karr may be a nut but knows something for sure, and the bear that JBR was given at a pageant in or near Atlanta where Karr was, definitely was white. So how did his (evidently his) get into her bedroom that night? He may have been with someone. I believe the shabby brown bear is still in police custody. Are they investigating it?

Whoever did this may have known weather forecasts that there would be a light snow before morning, to cover any footprints outdoors, or they may have just been careful to stay on the dry concrete.

I wish the link opening this thread had been to a copy of the picture. Don't want to have to buy a Globe just for that.

[sweetcharlotte]

<snip>

Greene does editorials. Editorials are opinions. His opinion has always been that the Ramseys are guilty. He's hardly an inside or neutral source.


You're right.

[bullmoose]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

[Coloradokares]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

According to you the only credible sources we ever had in Colorado though was Ramseys and they moved to Atlanta....So Colorado itself is vacated of credibility. We are the Colorado crazies ........:seeya:

[Sprocket]

Is it my imagination or does mytherpiece sound an awful lot like Twisterpiece? I too would like to see what the source of that assertion about the grand jury; as I don't recall having seen that claim made so boldly before. And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

Liberties with reality? I'm curious as to what dramatic liberties this dedicated detective made that causes you to reject any statements he made? Or, do you just fault him for writing a book?

[TuscanDreams]

DNA can't be dated- This isn't a DNA case. JMO but I also don't see anyone ever being prosecuted for this. My thoughts are that one of the parents may have killed JonBenet, but I'm open to ideas on the intruder theory.

So much evidence has leaked out on this case that it's impossible to win a conviction- look at John Karr. He learned about this case and put together a little scenario to fit the crime scene.

[Tober]

And Synthroid Steve does not have my vote as a believable source on anything pertaining to this case,IMO he takes liberties with reality.

How is it that name-calling adds to the case discussion?

[bullmoose]

I have Synthroid Steve's book; I have read it and would give him an A for convincing me that he believes totally in his theory; however his book lacks credability and believability, IMO. His explanation for why his thyroid went askew[the case and his hard, hard work that nobody in the DA's office would listen to with the gravity it deserved] is IMO completely self-pitying and silly. Before he blasted everybody with his whiny resignation letter I believe he applied for police disability for his thyroid problem, its in his book; he quit after it was denied. So my calling him Synthroid Steve is a tribute to his literary powers. CK: You are mistaken about being the crazies, with all that snow, I think that the Colorado Avalanche is more apropriate. The case against the Ramseys is just a snow job.:biggrin:

[nuisanceposter]

Liberties with reality? I'm curious as to what dramatic liberties this dedicated detective made that causes you to reject any statements he made? Or, do you just fault him for writing a book?

I'd like to know, too. I've asked more than once, but other than ramble off a string of insults for Thomas, bullmoose has no answer.

I've also asked bullmoose to ease up on his single-minded hatred of Thomas and stop using derogatory nicknames for him every time he posts...still waiting for bullmoose to find the maturity to speak of Thomas without letting his rancor shine through.

Apparently he doesn't realize the name-calling makes people who want to discuss the case dismiss him as not being able to add anything valuable to the conversation other than accusations he hasn't backed up.

[bullmoose]

According to you the only credible sources we ever had in Colorado though was Ramseys and they moved to Atlanta....So Colorado itself is vacated of credibility. We are the Colorado crazies ........:seeya:Why, CK, you live in Colorado; and I find your posts highly creditable; by the way does the Twister still live in Colorado?or did he :seeya: have move somewhere else, where the climate is easier on his thyroid?

[LindaA]

Sorry, Bullmoose, I'm afraid CK has left us.

[honibugs]

I have to admit that I do have doubts about the DNA... I really consider it worthless ... but I hope I am wrong. Unless someone takes enough interest in this case to pursue other evidence (or to test what is in storage), there may be no closure at all. I have not wanted to admit to these feelings.
I truly believe that someone that knew the Ramsey's entered their home on Christmas night and not only invaded their privacy, but violated and killed their daughter. I also believe that JMK is on the knowing end of more than he is believed. JMO, of course.


I'm with you on all of your points and I especially think JMK knows more than he is believed. I think he was a patsy that would make the BPD test his DNA with the minute sample that is in custody, knowing that it wouldn't match, in an attempt to degrade the sample so it could not be used again.

[bullmoose]

I don't want to burst you bubble, honibugs, but I think that the DNA found on Jonbenet has long since been tested and the results filed; the only DNA they used when testing Karr was his own. They then compared the results with what they already had on file. Oh man, CK has left us??!! Where am I going to get my regular Globe quotes from now? ;)

[LindaA]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

[shill]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

CK is at Websleuths along with Ames. It appears they just wanted to talk about how much they hate the Ramseys with out justifying why.
It's like a chat room after an episode of "Desperate Housewives", a bunch of gossiping hens slinging mud.

[Louisadelmar]

CK is at Websleuths along with Ames. It appears they just wanted to talk about how much they hate the Ramseys with out justifying why.
It's like a chat room after an episode of "Desperate Housewives", a bunch of gossiping hens slinging mud.

Because my aim's always to please... I'll add two myths I saw being created while I was wandering around the internet tonight.

1. Patsy didn't really throw up. She faked it to cover where JonBenet had vomited when she received the head blow. Must be Priscilla White is in on the conspiracy. PMPT, ppbk, p14. Meanwhile Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Page 14...took me about 3 minutes to find it.

2. Patsy went back upstairs after calling 911 and that was when she put on her makeup.

Kind of reminds me of the time years and years ago when a poster seriously suggested Patsy had killed JonBenet because she'd decided JonBenet was never going to be tall enough to be Miss America. Sadly the posts were lost in a crash, but there was actual discussion of this as a motive.

[bullmoose]

A week or more ago I asked CK for a link to show that Patsy actually had either beaver boots or a beaver coat, as she had claimed; she replyed with a link to either the Globe or The Enquirer , which quoted the famous 'unnamed sources' as saying it was so. The same source said that Patsy would be arrested very shortly[ I think the article was from 97 or 98]. When I pointed this out and asked for a real source, she got very huffy with me, stating that she had her evidence packed away in boxes. I can't help but wonder if she saves, stacks and stores tabloids as her research file. It would explain her heavy reliance on them for information and IMO would explain her anti-Ramsey tilt. She's an RDI, but it seems at times to go deeper than that. But if she's gone for good or just a while, I'll miss her; at least [even if it was the Globe] she backed her claims up. Unlike some.:seeya: Later on, CK

[Jayelles]

Because my aim's always to please... I'll add two myths I saw being created while I was wandering around the internet tonight.

1. Patsy didn't really throw up. She faked it to cover where JonBenet had vomited when she received the head blow. Must be Priscilla White is in on the conspiracy. PMPT, ppbk, p14. Meanwhile Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Page 14...took me about 3 minutes to find it.

2. Patsy went back upstairs after calling 911 and that was when she put on her makeup.

Kind of reminds me of the time years and years ago when a poster seriously suggested Patsy had killed JonBenet because she'd decided JonBenet was never going to be tall enough to be Miss America. Sadly the posts were lost in a crash, but there was actual discussion of this as a motive.

Interesting. The only person who has ever posted about that is Don Bradley/Toth. He couldn't provide a source so IMO it's his way of trying to discredit the "borg". No RDI has seriously suggested that. How convenient that the post was "lost in a crash"....

[Louisadelmar]

Interesting. The only person who has ever posted about that is Don Bradley/Toth. He couldn't provide a source so IMO it's his way of trying to discredit the "borg". No RDI has seriously suggested that. How convenient that the post was "lost in a crash"....

Nope. I saw it and Websleuths was the forum. It was probably 5 or 6 years ago.

[Jayelles]

Nope. I saw it and Websleuths was the forum. It was probably 5 or 6 years ago.


Seems that only you and Toth/DonBradley saw this particularly unusual post and continue to use it many years later are an example of "BORG" theories. You also have another thing in common with Toth - i.e. the use of the phrase "she (Patsy) decided" to kill Jonbenet.

I have studied the case and the Internet community for 7 years now and can confidently say that most RDI theorists do NOT believe that Patsy deliberately killed her daughter (or that she "decided" to kill her). Therefore, I think it's unfair to take one extreme comment and hold it up as though it were common/typical of a particular POV. I recently read at jameson's where a member suggested that the killer tube fed the pineapple to JonBenet. I thinkn it would be fair to say that this is an unusual and extremely unlikely scenario. I doubt if the RST would be pleased if the RDIs adopted it as "typical" of RST mentality!

If this comment DID exist, I'd say it was probably tongue in cheek and not a serious suggestion. In fact, I wouldn't put it past old Toth to pose as an RDI and make it himself so that he could harp on about it for years to com.

[Louisadelmar]

Seems that only you and Toth/DonBradley saw this particularly unusual post and continue to use it many years later are an example of "BORG" theories. You also have another thing in common with Toth - i.e. the use of the phrase "she (Patsy) decided" to kill Jonbenet.

I have studied the case and the Internet community for 7 years now and can confidently say that most RDI theorists do NOT believe that Patsy deliberately killed her daughter (or that she "decided" to kill her). Therefore, I think it's unfair to take one extreme comment and hold it up as though it were common/typical of a particular POV. I recently read at jameson's where a member suggested that the killer tube fed the pineapple to JonBenet. I thinkn it would be fair to say that this is an unusual and extremely unlikely scenario. I doubt if the RST would be pleased if the RDIs adopted it as "typical" of RST mentality!

If this comment DID exist, I'd say it was probably tongue in cheek and not a serious suggestion. In fact, I wouldn't put it past old Toth to pose as an RDI and make it himself so that he could harp on about it for years to com.

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it but perhaps we have similar senses of humor so it stuck with us. Though I have on rare occasions used the word ‘BORG’, I don’t usually because I think it, like RST, is unnecessarily antagonistic. I usually use RDI or IDI.

I wasn’t trying to suggest that the idea Patsy deliberately killed her daughter is common. If I wasn’t clear, I apologize. It is not, however, unheard of:

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TI2O5N153QPIGL989
Tasha
Concho, OK
Feb 15, 2006
I think that JonBenet's parents killed her. I think that her mom was jealous that her daughter was getting all the attention and decided to kill her.

http://websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3082&pp=40

BrotherMoon
12-17-2003

ajt400, I didn't say the strangulation was accidental, I said it was deliberate.

The strangulation caused death. The blow to the head had meaning in that it sent the angel on it's way as per The Psalms
118-16 The Lord's right hand is lifted high, The Lord's right hand has done mighty things.

Acronyms are commonly used in the Christian subculture and S.B.T.C. is commonly known as saved by the cross. Acronyms are an important part of the Christian myth as JHVH, INRI, ICTHYS and many others.My theory is speculation based on connections made betwen well known facts of the case. Most notably literature that Patsy concerned herself with and elements of the case that match the literature.

The body was posed post mortem. I include the final position of the garrote as part of the posing. The head blow was delivered before that and did not have anything to do with killing as that was already done by the strangualtion (manual, garroting or otherwise).

The lack of skin lascration precludes an accident as an accident would likely be with a hard object. The head was covered or the object that hit her was padded.

Nehemiah and ajt400 see www.Seraph.net.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8032&page=2
Paradox
November 26, 2006, 10:41 am, Sun Nov 26 10:41:27 CST 2006
That is first related by the narrator, then Sandy is said to have pondered it from time to time.

Sandy thinks Brodie is an unconscious lesbian.

It would then follow that the "Brodie side" of Patsy was the one that caused the vaginal abuse.

Sandy wanted to put a stop to Brodie as she was beginning to form another set after Sandy left school. She did so and became a nun.

Near the end of the book Jenny calls Brodie a sinner. Sandy says "Oh, she was quite an innocent in her way."

And of course, Patsy titled her book Death of Innocence.

I think the Sandy side of Patsy attempted to kill the Jean Brodie side of Patsy 12/25/'96.


And here there are 7 people who believe "One of the Ramseys killed Jonbenet with malice aforethought ."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=39893

[KingCoyote]

I just wanted to say hello to Jayelles. I have read your "Big Bloomies" Post on what must be your home forum and find it fascinating. I consider it "recommended reading." I hope you get a chance to read some of mine...not that my posts are anywhere near as profound as yours though.

KingCoyote

[Jayelles]

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it but perhaps we have similar senses of humor so it stuck with us. Though I have on rare occasions used the word ‘BORG’, I don’t usually because I think it, like RST, is unnecessarily antagonistic. I usually use RDI or IDI.

I wasn’t trying to suggest that the idea Patsy deliberately killed her daughter is common. If I wasn’t clear, I apologize. It is not, however, unheard of:

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TI2O5N153QPIGL989
Tasha
Concho, OK
Feb 15, 2006
I think that JonBenet's parents killed her. I think that her mom was jealous that her daughter was getting all the attention and decided to kill her.

http://websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3082&pp=40

BrotherMoon
12-17-2003

ajt400, I didn't say the strangulation was accidental, I said it was deliberate.

The strangulation caused death. The blow to the head had meaning in that it sent the angel on it's way as per The Psalms
118-16 The Lord's right hand is lifted high, The Lord's right hand has done mighty things.

Acronyms are commonly used in the Christian subculture and S.B.T.C. is commonly known as saved by the cross. Acronyms are an important part of the Christian myth as JHVH, INRI, ICTHYS and many others.My theory is speculation based on connections made betwen well known facts of the case. Most notably literature that Patsy concerned herself with and elements of the case that match the literature.

The body was posed post mortem. I include the final position of the garrote as part of the posing. The head blow was delivered before that and did not have anything to do with killing as that was already done by the strangualtion (manual, garroting or otherwise).

The lack of skin lascration precludes an accident as an accident would likely be with a hard object. The head was covered or the object that hit her was padded.

Nehemiah and ajt400 see www.Seraph.net.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8032&page=2
Paradox
November 26, 2006, 10:41 am, Sun Nov 26 10:41:27 CST 2006
That is first related by the narrator, then Sandy is said to have pondered it from time to time.

Sandy thinks Brodie is an unconscious lesbian.

It would then follow that the "Brodie side" of Patsy was the one that caused the vaginal abuse.

Sandy wanted to put a stop to Brodie as she was beginning to form another set after Sandy left school. She did so and became a nun.

Near the end of the book Jenny calls Brodie a sinner. Sandy says "Oh, she was quite an innocent in her way."

And of course, Patsy titled her book Death of Innocence.

I think the Sandy side of Patsy attempted to kill the Jean Brodie side of Patsy 12/25/'96.


And here there are 7 people who believe "One of the Ramseys killed Jonbenet with malice aforethought ."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=39893


1) I've never heard of Tasha.
2) Paradox and BrotherMoon are one and the same. It also seems that Paradox is also included in your 7 people from the WS poll.
3) Over 90% of the people who participated in that poll thought it was an accident. My point entirely.

In a study of troll behaviour, one of the behaviours noted was for "trolls" to pose as a member of the opposite side and made a ridiculous post in order to discredit the other side.

For someone to post that following a lovely family & friends Christmas Day, Patsy simply "decided" to kill her daughter because although she was only 6, Patsy reckoned she'd be too small to be Miss America ....kind of makes me think the poster wasn't being humorous/facetious OR that a troll was at work in order to provide the RST with a "BORG Bull" thread.

Please don't confuse RST with IDI. There is a BIG difference.

[Jayelles]

I just wanted to say hello to Jayelles. I have read your "Big Bloomies" Post on what must be your home forum and find it fascinating. I consider it "recommended reading." I hope you get a chance to read some of mine...not that my posts are anywhere near as profound as yours though.

KingCoyote


Hello back to King Coyote. I'm not familiar with your hat but that's probably because I didn't realise that Court tv had moved here. I had CTV bookmarked and everytime I went there, threads seemed to have disappeared. I just thought they were trying to discourage Ramsey discussion! I'm missed a lot of discussion.

[Jayelles]

I doubt that Toth/DonBradley and I were the only ones who saw it

It seems that Toth isn't the only one to claim he saw the post. I forgot that Tipper also claimed to have seen it.

Originally Posted by tipper
I saw it too. It was here, either in 2000 or 2001. Can't remember the poster, Nandee? maybe.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3971&page=2&pp=25

So there are at least two of you who claim to have seen it :-)

[Athena]

I'm afraid you are out of luck. She got angry a week or so back when asked to name her source and said she was putting her notes in storage and leaving the RDIs to fend for themselves. I suspect she is lurking, though.

Or come back with a new nic. I had CK on ignore so wouldn't have really noticed much. Occasionally I'd take a peek at her posts but it was the same old thing - the library's queue is backed up, she's posting from notes, stuff was in storage, she "didn't understand" why her links didn't work, she had insider sources but couldn't name them.....etc, etc, etc. LOL

[KingCoyote]

Jayelles:

I am finally getting around to reading your posts. In your Post 403 in this thread you discuss some of the things Pasty was (or was not) doing after the police arrived and before the Ramseys left the house around 1:30 PM or so.

I did an analysis in the Thread "The Pam Griffin Factor", Section 2 of my first post of that thread, that analyzes the possiblity that PR and PW were making several cell phone calls to Pam Griffin during that eventful morning. I would be interested in your comments if you get the chance.

Thanks,

KingCoyote

[bullmoose]

Athena: consider this possibility for CK's inability to produce 'proof' of what she 'knew';once you have used tabloids for what they are best suited for, that is, lining the bottom of birdcages, they then become difficult to read and use as reference works. This explanation would explain CK's inability to produce links to what she was quoting from.?????:biggrin:

[LindaA]

It seems that Toth isn't the only one to claim he saw the post. I forgot that Tipper also claimed to have seen it.



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3971&page=2&pp=25

So there are at least two of you who claim to have seen it :-)

I've also seen a reference to PR faking a vomiting spell to cover up where JBR alledgedly vomited, but for the life of me I can't think where.

[sweetcharlotte]

Athena: consider this possibility for CK's inability to produce 'proof' of what she 'knew';once you have used tabloids for what they are best suited for, that is, lining the bottom of birdcages, they then become difficult to read and use as reference works. This explanation would explain CK's inability to produce links to what she was quoting from.?????:biggrin:

She seems to be enjoying Websleths and is so happy to be away from all the rude people here at CL. :cool:

[Louisadelmar]

I've also seen a reference to PR faking a vomiting spell to cover up where JBR alledgedly vomited, but for the life of me I can't think where.

Maybe this is what everyone's remembering

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/profile.html

I had the impression that "vomit" would be connected to the case. I saw bubbles at JBR's mouth. I believe that JonBenet may have vomited on the first floor at sometime. I also think Patsy Ramsey faked a vomit episode to cover residue that may have remained on the rug. I now know that Patsy Ramsey claims she did vomit that morning. I think there's more to it than she told us during the tv interview. I now suspect that JonBenet vomited from the effects of the linear fracture to her skull

[Jayelles]

I've also seen a reference to PR faking a vomiting spell to cover up where JBR alledgedly vomited, but for the life of me I can't think where.

Yes someone did post that recently at WS, and as I recall, half a dozen other posters quickly responded to say that it wasn't so. That is the beauty of having a forum with knowlegeable members on both sides of the fence who can discuss the case politely :-)

[Jayelles]

Maybe this is what everyone's remembering

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/profile.html

I had the impression that "vomit" would be connected to the case. I saw bubbles at JBR's mouth. I believe that JonBenet may have vomited on the first floor at sometime. I also think Patsy Ramsey faked a vomit episode to cover residue that may have remained on the rug. I now know that Patsy Ramsey claims she did vomit that morning. I think there's more to it than she told us during the tv interview. I now suspect that JonBenet vomited from the effects of the linear fracture to her skull

Thanks for posting that Tipper. I've always been amazed at your ability to pull stuff out of the hat. At least now we know where the poster got it from.

[Louisadelmar]

Anytime. But I prefer Louisa del Mar as it's a memorial to my horse who had to be destroyed the day before I joined here.

[LindaA]

Yes someone did post that recently at WS, and as I recall, half a dozen other posters quickly responded to say that it wasn't so. That is the beauty of having a forum with knowlegeable members on both sides of the fence who can discuss the case politely :-)

No, that is not where I aw it. I don't frequent that forum.

[Jayelles]

Anytime. But I prefer Louisa del Mar as it's a memorial to my horse who had to be destroyed the day before I joined here.

Sorry about your horse. That must have been tough.

[Jayelles]

1) I've never heard of Tasha.
2) Paradox and BrotherMoon are one and the same. It also seems that Paradox is also included in your 7 people from the WS poll.
3) Over 90% of the people who participated in that poll thought it was an accident. My point entirely.

In a study of troll behaviour, one of the behaviours noted was for "trolls" to pose as a member of the opposite side and made a ridiculous post in order to discredit the other side.

For someone to post that following a lovely family & friends Christmas Day, Patsy simply "decided" to kill her daughter because although she was only 6, Patsy reckoned she'd be too small to be Miss America ....kind of makes me think the poster wasn't being humorous/facetious OR that a troll was at work in order to provide the RST with a "BORG Bull" thread.

Please don't confuse RST with IDI. There is a BIG difference.

Goodness -look what I found. How topical :-)

One of the recurring myths in the case is the constantly dredged up "no footprints in the snow". It is used to "prove" that the police/BORG were out to get the Ramseys from day one because the snow covering wasn't universal. However, it falls down on one major fact and that is, that the comment was misquoted in the first instance and the truth of the (actual) comment has been known for a very long time - i.e. the record has been straight for a very long time.

The "no footprints in the snow" was an observation made by Officer Reichenback (I think that was his name) who was one of the first people on the scene. He walked around the property and made notes and in his notes, he observed that there was some snow covering but that there were no footprints in this snow. This is a very valid observation and would appear to be quite accurate.

His report can be found at www.smokinggun.com (search for JonBenet).

[Athena]

Jay,

I cannot find any reference to snowprints in any official documents. Perhaps you can point it out:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html


When questioned regarding the accuracy of the information he received, reporter Charlie Brennan stated that up until March 1997, he and other members of the press did not know that there was a broken window in the basement and believed that his police source had fed him false information.

The reality of this situation is that an intruder could have easily entered the house through the basement window and moved around the house virtually undetected and unheard. JonBenet's bedroom is one floor below her parents' room, a total distance of 55 feet of walkways, covered by thick carpeting, making it ideal for a soundless approach. Furthermore, there is no hidden room. A carpeted spiral staircase, a few feet from her room, leads down to the kitchen. From the kitchen, it is only a few steps to the door that leads to the basement stairs. At the bottom of the stairs is a short corridor that leads directly to the room where her body was found.

The end result? — No secret room, no need for forced entry and very little snow, which leads to one of two conclusions — either the press distorted the facts to embellish their story or someone inside the police department leaked false information, intentionally or otherwise. Despite having been proved incorrect, all three bits of misinformation were given continual coverage.

[Louisadelmar]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/charlevoix3.html

[Athena]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/charlevoix3.html

Thanks Louisa. I did not even think to look at the Charlevoix search warrant because the Ramseys' house was in Boulder. LOL :read:

[rashomon]

The reality of this situation is that an intruder could have easily entered the house through the basement window and moved around the house virtually undetected and unheard. [/B]
And how could that intruder know that the basement door leading upstairs wouldn't be locked? :D
Imo not even John Ramsey thought he had staged a convincing scene by breaking the window, which is why I think he downplayed the broken window afterward.

jmo

[Athena]

And how could that intruder know that the basement door leading upstairs wouldn't be locked? :D
Imo not even John Ramsey thought he had staged a convincing scene by breaking the window, which is why I think he downplayed the broken window afterward.

jmo

Actually you are responding to a statement made by Charlie Brennan not me. :D

Also I just noticed these threads are being pulled out of the archives (January 2007???) Must be really getting boring. I did not realize is was even responding to something so old. LOL

Old 01-13-2007, 05:11 PM

[rashomon]

Actually you are responding to a statement made by Charlie Brennan not me. :D
You quoted Brennan, and I was responding to the statement in the quote. My focus was not on who said it, but on what was said.
Also I just noticed these threads are being pulled out of the archives (January 2007???) Must be really getting boring. I did not realize is was even responding to something so old. LOL
I don't know about you, but if I find a forum 'boring', I just don't post there.

Jmpo - a lot can be said of the CL JB Ramsey board, but the word 'boring' is the last thing which I would associate with it. :)

jmo

[DAFFODIL]

Actually you are responding to a statement made by Charlie Brennan not me. :D

Also I just noticed these threads are being pulled out of the archives (January 2007???) Must be really getting boring. I did not realize is was even responding to something so old. LOL

Old 01-13-2007, 05:11 PM

In truth the same could be said for ALL the boards given that nothing new has happened.All there is to talk about is the same evidence rehashed over and over again.:shrug:

[Athena]

In truth the same could be said for ALL the boards given that nothing new has happened.All there is to talk about is the same evidence rehashed over and over again.:shrug:

You are so right and ITA with everything being rehashed over and over and over..... I had stopped posting for months and not sure how I even got drawn back in. I just was surprised that posts are being pulled from 2007; at first I thought I misread it -- which just indicates to me there isn't much activity here; even the rehashing.

[Jayelles]

ANother myth in the case is that Michael Kane tried to destroy evidence which pointed to an intruder.

This claim was made by jameson and is ridiculous on several levels.

Firstly, Kane actually went to court to try and have this stuff destroyed. Picture the scenario - Kane to judge - "Please can we destroy this evidence please? It proves an intruder killed this child and we want to frame the parents..."

Whilst it is true that Kane did request the destruction of certain files and documents, one only has to read the actual court documents to appreciate that it was COPIES of the files and documents which he wished to be destroyed. When Lou Smit had resigned from his job, he had made copies of files and documents and it was these copies which Kane wanted destroyed.

[Limaes]

Some of the biggest myths floating around the internet are the so called "crime scene photos".

For example, the photo of the grate showing foliage underneath was taken on the 30th December not the 26th and after loads of people had been there. Its hardly a "crime scene photo" and wouldn't even be eligible to be produced in court as one, but Smit still touts this as evidence of an intruder and his groupies shamelessly take it as gospel.

Another myth is that using a stun gun on an anethesized pig would produce the same results as using a stun gun on an un-anethesized 6 year old child.

[Jayelles]

Some of the biggest myths floating around the internet are the so called "crime scene photos".

For example, the photo of the grate showing foliage underneath was taken on the 30th December not the 26th and after loads of people had been there. Its hardly a "crime scene photo" and wouldn't even be eligible to be produced in court as one, but Smit still touts this as evidence of an intruder and his groupies shamelessly take it as gospel.

Another myth is that using a stun gun on an anethesized pig would produce the same results as using a stun gun on an un-anethesized 6 year old child.

Good point. There is the "crime scene photo" which shows the basement window wide open when John Ramsey himself said he found it open by a tiny amount and that he had closed it. From John Ramsey's 1997 interview:-

But the window was open, about an eighth of an inch, and just kind latched it.

[Athena]

You quoted Brennan, and I was responding to the statement in the quote. My focus was not on who said it, but on what was said.

I don't know about you, but if I find a forum 'boring', I just don't post there.

Jmpo - a lot can be said of the CL JB Ramsey board, but the word 'boring' is the last thing which I would associate with it. :)

jmo

Rash -- sometimes we do agree and I certainly used the word incorrectly. The word should have been idle -- but certainly not boring.

[rashomon]

Rash -- sometimes we do agree and I certainly used the word incorrectly. The word should have been idle -- but certainly not boring.
Imo the reason why this board has been quieter in the last month was because of the rumors that it was going to close down. Before these rumors, it was an extremely active JBR board. Should it stay open, I'm convinced it will be as active as ever.

jmo

[Jayelles]

Imo the reason why this board has been quieter in the last month was because of the rumors that it was going to close down. Before these rumors, it was an extremely active JBR board. Should it stay open, I'm convinced it will be as active as ever.

jmo

Me too. The only problem is the lack of moderation. Still, some might argue that no moderation is better than one-sided moderation. Hopefully there are enough of us with sufficient self discipline who can make a concerted effort to keep a good discussion going. We can put the rest on ignore. CL is still taking new members and I have been told that there may be a few more on the way who can contribute richly to the discussion.

If so, I look forward to their memberships being processed.

[LindaA]

Rumours? Then it's not actually true?

[Limaes]

A myth that I have seen posted on this forum by IDI's, is that the phrase "papoose", which has been used to describe how JB was wrapped in the blanket, was first used by Kane and not JR.

They usually post this as their proof:

15 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it looked like somebody
16 was trying to make her comfortable, because it was
17 under her, completely under her head and brought
18 up around her, as if you would wrap a --
19 MIKE KANE: Papoose?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: -- a papoose.

Now when you read the whole thing, the truth is very clear:

8 MIKE KANE: All right. Okay. Now, when you
9 went inside to that room, you described the
10 blanket. And you said it was folded like -- I'm
11 just trying to get a mental picture of it. Was it
12 like --
13 JOHN RAMSEY: It was like an Indian papoose.
14 MIKE KANE: Okay.
15 JOHN RAMSEY: You know, the blanket was under
16 her completely. It was brought up and folded over
17 like
18 that.
19 MIKE KANE: Folded over, okay.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It looked like, at that time
21 I didn't know the extent of the injuries, but it
22 looked like somebody had just put her there
23 comfortably, but tied up with her mouth gagged.
24 MIKE KANE: And John, I really understand
25 how difficult this is. Do you remember, was her
0183
1 head exposed? Were her feet exposed?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Possibly.
3 MIKE KANE: But not the rest of her?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, yeah, I think her
5 feet were exposed. But her head was. Her head was
6 tilted to one side. I was trying to hold her head.
7 MIKE KANE: I'm not really clear (INAUDIBLE)
8 you said that they were tied tight. But were her
9 hands tied closely together or were they wide
10 apart?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it was like that.
12 MIKE KANE: There were crossed like that.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: I remember, yeah, her hands
14 were close together.
15 MIKE KANE: And you tried to untie one of
16 them? Were you successful?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Partly. I mean, I sort of
18 started to get them untied, but I guess I was
19 starting to realize that that would do any good.
20 MIKE KANE: And so at that point then, was
21 it then you just took her right upstairs?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: I just picked her up and ran
23 screaming upstairs.
24 MIKE KANE: Okay. And was the blanket still
25 there?
0184
1 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
2 MIKE KANE: Cause you took her out of the
3 blanket and picked her up?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
5 MIKE KANE: Okay. Anyone else there with
6 there? Was there anyone wait (INAUDIBLE), that
7 door right there? Did you come up?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I came up and came
9 around this part right over here.
10 MIKE KANE: Okay. And you said you yelled
11 and I guess people in the house heard that.
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
13 MIKE KANE: And they came running?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
15 MIKE KANE: Did you see everybody?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember. All I
17 remember is Linda Arndt was there and Father Rol
18 was at her head.
19 MIKE KANE: Is there anybody that you
20 (INAUDBILE)?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember. I mean
22 I've been thinking back, I don't remember Fleet
23 White saying anything when I was in that room. I
24 mean I felt like I was by myself. But that might
25 have been mistaken because I was. But from the
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1 point I found her to the time I got her into the
2 living room, I felt like I was by myself, that
3 there was nobody around in that little room.
4 After we laid and I put the blanket
5 over JonBenet and Patsy came in, I said to the
6 people with her, both Fleet and Priscilla
7 individually kneeled over her, just for a minute
8 or two. And then at that point --
9 MIKE KANE: This is really important.
10 That blanket, I mean, was it like there was care
11 taken? It was neatly folded?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I thought so, yeah.
13 MIKE KANE: It wasn't like it was just
14 barely thrown over her?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it looked like somebody
16 was trying to make her comfortable, because it was
17 under her, completely under her head and brought
18 up around her, as if you would wrap a --
19 MIKE KANE: Papoose?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: -- a papoose.
21 MIKE KANE: I don't have anything else.
22 LOU SMIT: Okay. I think that we should
23 (INAUDIBLE)?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it's frankly easier
25 now than it was.
0186
1 LOU SMIT: Do you want to take a break?
2 BRYAN MORGAN: Yeah.
3 (BREAK TAKEN)

The above text is exactly as it is in the 1998 interview on ACR.

[Jayelles]

A myth that I have seen posted on this forum by IDI's, is that the phrase "papoose", which has been used to describe how JB was wrapped in the blanket, was first used by Kane and not JR.

They usually post this as their proof:



Now when you read the whole thing, the truth is very clear:



The above text is exactly as it is in the 1998 interview on ACR.

That's a good catch.

[Evening2]

That's a good catch.

No it's not. I think MOST IDIs KNOW John is the one who described JonBenet being wrapped in that manner and say so when they post, not the other way around as Lime would want posters to believe. :rolleyes:

[DAFFODIL]

No it's not. I think MOST IDIs KNOW John is the one who described JonBenet being wrapped in that manner and say so when they post, not the other way around as Lime would want posters to believe. :rolleyes:

Why are you even here when you know EVERYTHING?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Evening2]

Why are you even here when you know EVERYTHING?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm HERE because I learn something knew every day, and when I DO, I generally remember it! :D

[DAFFODIL]

The biggest myth in the Ramsey case is "the McReynolds did it" :tongue: :D

[Athena]

A myth that I have seen posted on this forum by IDI's, is that the phrase "papoose", which has been used to describe how JB was wrapped in the blanket, was first used by Kane and not JR.

They usually post this as their proof:

Now when you read the whole thing, the truth is very clear:

The above text is exactly as it is in the 1998 interview on ACR.

I have never read anything like that from any IDI I have posted with; at least not here at CL nor at 320. JMO

However, the use of the word "papoose" was used incorrectly (but he's a guy so he could get away with it). A papoose is a baby carrier used in the front or the back of a person to leave the arms free.

I have seen some posters claim that JBR was wrapped in a blanket as partial evidence convincing them that the RDI although her head nor feet were covered. The blanket was just lapped over her torso from either side. I've also seen it said that no murderer would cover or redress a child unless it was a parent and that is absolutely untrue. JMHO

[Limaes]

I have never read anything like that from any IDI I have posted with; at least not here at CL nor at 320. JMO

I have. Perhaps you were not posting here at the time. I won't name names because that would be just plain shilly of me. ;)

[rashomon]

I have. Perhaps you were not posting here at the time. I won't name names because that would be just plain shilly of me. ;)
Lol, good pun, Limaes! :D

jmo

[Athena]

I have. Perhaps you were not posting here at the time. I won't name names because that would be just plain shilly of me. ;)

Fair enough. I did take a couple of months off. I would not want you to name names however if they are still on the board you could link to them. (I don't expect you too though) :tongue:

[SuperDave]

I have never read anything like that from any IDI I have posted with; at least not here at CL nor at 320. JMO

However, the use of the word "papoose" was used incorrectly (but he's a guy so he could get away with it). A papoose is a baby carrier used in the front or the back of a person to leave the arms free.

I have seen some posters claim that JBR was wrapped in a blanket as partial evidence convincing them that the RDI although her head nor feet were covered. The blanket was just lapped over her torso from either side. I've also seen it said that no murderer would cover or redress a child unless it was a parent and that is absolutely untrue. JMHO

I'm a man and I know what a papoose is. The IDI claim her feet nor her head were covered. John's own words say they were: "tucked in." He may be a man and iffy about papooses, but I think he'd know what tucked in looks like.

"I've also seen it said that no murderer would cover or redress a child unless it was a parent and that is absolutely untrue."

According to whom? Let's see what CASKU had to say:

(From PMPT, page 307 pb): "if the killer was a stranger, why did he wrap JonBenet's body in a blanket? Why try to comfort someone who was no longer of use?"

[Louisadelmar]

I'm a man and I know what a papoose is. The IDI claim her feet nor her head were covered. John's own words say they were: "tucked in." He may be a man and iffy about papooses, but I think he'd know what tucked in looks like.

"I've also seen it said that no murderer would cover or redress a child unless it was a parent and that is absolutely untrue."

According to whom? Let's see what CASKU had to say:

(From PMPT, page 307 pb): "if the killer was a stranger, why did he wrap JonBenet's body in a blanket? Why try to comfort someone who was no longer of use?"

Where does John say her feet were tucked in?

ST says Fleet White reached out and touched her ankle which is how he knew she was dead. (29) He say nothing about John first unwrapping her.

[SuperDave]

Where does John say her feet were tucked in?

ST says Fleet White reached out and touched her ankle which is how he knew she was dead. (29) He say nothing about John first unwrapping her.

Not her feet specifically, but in his 1998 interviews.

[Louisadelmar]

Not her feet specifically, but in his 1998 interviews.


Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
I'm a man and I know what a papoose is. The IDI claim her feet nor her head were covered. John's own words say they were: "tucked in." He may be a man and iffy about papooses, but I think he'd know what tucked in looks like.

[SuperDave]

You're right, I should rephrase. I should say that John's version and the IDI standard version don't necessarily mesh.

[rashomon]

9 MIKE KANE: This is really important.
10 That blanket, I mean, was it like there was care
11 taken? It was neatly folded?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I thought so, yeah.
13 MIKE KANE: It wasn't like it was just
14 barely thrown over her?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it looked like somebody
16 was trying to make her comfortable, because it was
17 under her, completely under her head and brought
18 up around her, as if you would wrap a --
19 MIKE KANE: Papoose?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: -- a papoose.
Who else than a parent would have had the motive of 'making her comfortable'? I think John Ramsey gave himself away here without realizing it.

jmo

[LI_Mom]

Who else than a parent would have had the motive of 'making her comfortable'? I think John Ramsey gave himself away here without realizing it.

jmo

I guess there's always a possibility that a stranger might wrap up a body to remove it from the home? BUT we know this person couldn't be bothered to take his bounty.


Not that any of the prior actions make much sense though....

an enemy who wants to make John suffer but doesn't slaughter both kids in their beds.

a kidnapper who isn't in any rush to get away but suddenly detours to the basement for kinky sex with someone who he'd supposedly have unlimited time with once he leaves the home.... IF he'd just leave.

a sexual predator who spends all that time writing a RN but even after killing the child still leaves the RN that might tie him to a MURDER.

[Louisadelmar]

Who else than a parent would have had the motive of 'making her comfortable'? I think John Ramsey gave himself away here without realizing it.

jmo

Probably anyone who had met her before so she wasn't just an anonymous bit of collateral damage.

[LindaA]

Or anyone who wanted to throw suspicion off himself or on the Ramseys.