Goldmans Sue

[sassylassy]

sassy

n grace obnoxious is correct. What difference does it make where the LBA office is. Coinsidering it is a small family owned publishing company the office would be in the lawyers office or a officers home as are many privately owned companies today.
martin II


This is true!

Not to mention I dont think it would have been a good idea for Galanter to release such personal information to the public as the "address"

would you all want your address of business told to the viewers of NG
so any nut job viewer could come by for a visit???:no:

I think not!:no:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
A very bad (and all too common) way to misread a newspaper:
To see whatever supports your point of view as fact, & anything that contradicts your point of view as bias.

-- Daniel Okrent
First ombudsman of The New York Times and author of Public Editor #1

I'd say Martin does that all the time & it's clear by his posts!

[jotun]

i am wondering how much money tin cup received from the auction of the rights to the book today 4/17/07

martin II

Martin

Was 00 million dollars.

jotun

[martin II]

The judge ruled that the Goldman's couldn't own the rights. But, he ordered the rights to be auctioned. Those proceeds go to the Goldman's. The Goldman's aren't trying to "BUY THE RIGHTS". I don't think they really care how much money the book makes. They just want to keep OJ from getting any more money off of the brutal murder of Ron and Nicole. What a slime OJ is for doing this in the first place.

tazzy hi

do you have a link to the actual judges decision that you can share?
martin II

[weezer]

and so you think its no problem that the Brown's will have to go back to court to fight & stop the Goldmans from selling the book?...:no: I dont!


again jmo!

I found it odd that the Browns didn't go to court to stop the publication in the first place.

[weezer]

Now its a hoot!:rolleyes:

what happened to the Boycotting of the book, now thats a hoot :beer:(NOT)

I can only speak for myself. For me, boycotting the book was to make sure orenthal did not receive any money for the double murders he committed. Personally, I could care less if the book is published. And yes, I do think the title change would be a hoot. Wonder if the new owner(s) has the right to do that?

[martin II]

I found it odd that the Browns didn't go to court to stop the publication in the first place.

some time ago the brown family, Denise , stated that they were movin on with their lives in order not to be consumed by past events and chasing oj for money. I thought this was a mature and healthy decision.

I think fred goldmans quest for money forced them to get back involved in a effort to prevent the selling of the book. Which Fred had claimed was his motive previously. But we now know what his motives were all along as it was important for him to be able to decieve the public in order to get their support. It remains to be seen if the public will still be interested in reading the book he is now trying to sell.
martin II

[martin II]

I can only speak for myself. For me, boycotting the book was to make sure orenthal did not receive any money for the double murders he committed. Personally, I could care less if the book is published. And yes, I do think the title change would be a hoot. Wonder if the new owner(s) has the right to do that?

the copyrights to the book was/is owned by HC. Which causes me to wonder how the judge could demand that their property be auctioned to pay Fred since Fred did not sue HC.
I sure would like to see the copy of the judges decision.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

Now its a hoot!:rolleyes:

what happened to the Boycotting of the book, now thats a hoot :beer:(NOT)

Hi Sassy,

I can't speak for anyone else on this forum but can tell you that my own personal boycotting (and that of most people I know) came from the notion that OJ Simpson would profit from the crime of murder that he committed by writing a book purposely meant to slap the victims' families in the face ... again. And that it would allow him to get a kick out of turning the world upside down while he propped his feet up on the couch and watched his pirated cable.

So roll your eyes all you want, but understand that people have deep and real reasons behind the things that they support or boycott.

[Jayme K]

weeaer
the public don't know dip other than what the media feeds them. Without the media reports/opinions there would be no opinions for the public to express.
Maby you have another source for your informaiton.

martin II

Pssst ... you're part of the public.

But thank you for finally admitting that you don't know dip.

[Jayme K]

LBA was incorporated leagelly and approved By the Secretary of State of Florida so it is legal in every way.
martin II

martin II

A company can be recognized as legal and still participate in illegal activity.

Such as fraud. Which we all know OJ Simpson committed with the company he so conviently set up at the same time he hammered out the deal for his little murder memior.

[martin II]

This is true!

Not to mention I dont think it would have been a good idea for Galanter to release such personal information to the public as the "address"

would you all want your address of business told to the viewers of NG
so any nut job viewer could come by for a visit???:no:

I think not!:no:

sassy

True, and i do believe that there are some nut jobs that view her program.
martin II

[Jayme K]

Well now the situation has changed. Fred Goldman now wants to be the first to BUY the book so he can sell the story of OJ SIMPSON and NICOLES life togeather from OJ'S perspective.

The Browns want to buy the book to BURN it.

OJ dosent seem to care.
martin II

OJ doesn't care? Really? Really??!! He went as far as to him his company file the big bankruptcy so that he can stop this auction. Sounds like caring to me.

[Jayme K]

Now its a hoot!:rolleyes:

what happened to the Boycotting of the book, now thats a hoot :beer:(NOT)


It's not obvious to you?

The point isn't the book itself because if it were then most of us would never read a true-crime book. The point is letting someone make millions off of committing a murder that they never had to account for.

This narcissist of a guy thrives on the fact that he beat a murder rap and uses every available minute of his time to gripe about how unfairly he's treated and then somehow straps on an even bigger pair of balls and acts like it's Fred Goldman that creates the mess.

[weezer]

okay -- I've looked everywhere I can think but still can't resolve this issue for myself. HC/Regan said they did not pay orenthal but Lorraine Brooke -- which is the company orenthal says is/belongs to his children. I understand that part. What I can't get my head around is how orenthal spent money intended for LBA if he wasn't part of it. :shrug:

[weezer]

and so you think its no problem that the Brown's will have to go back to court to fight & stop the Goldmans from selling the book?...:no: I dont!


again jmo!

Associated Press Published: Friday, April 13, 2007
"LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The estate of Nicole Brown Simpson should receive one-half of any money raised at next week's auction for the rights to the cancelled O.J. Simpson book If I Did It, a lawyer representing the estate said Thursday. . . .

. . . .Lawyer Greg Hafif, who represents the Brown Simpson estate, said the main goal is to ensure the book is never published."

Didn't see anything about burning the book -- just if it sells we want half and it not ever be published.

[martin II]

okay -- I've looked everywhere I can think but still can't resolve this issue for myself. HC/Regan said they did not pay orenthal but Lorraine Brooke -- which is the company orenthal says is/belongs to his children. I understand that part. What I can't get my head around is how orenthal spent money intended for LBA if he wasn't part of it. :shrug:

Judith Regan of Regan Books said she paid oj simpson for his signature of approval of the book and the planned tv interview.This payment of $850,000 was a advance payment due and paid to oj. The rights to the book is suppose to automatically go to LBA (OJ'S CHILDRENS COMPANY) on May 14/ 07 according to the original contract.

If oj does work/agreements on behalf of LBA, it would be expected that OJ would be paid for this work/agreement beneficial to LBA by LBA. That would be a normal business arrangement. imo

Most new book contract between parties do call for new corporations/vehicles
be set up to cover the activities of THAT Abook. So it is not unusual that LBA was set up as a new company to cover this new activity. imo
martin II

[Jayme K]

Judith Regan of Regan Books said she paid oj simpson for his signature of approval of the book and the planned tv interview.This payment of $850,000 was a advance payment due and paid to oj. The rights to the book is suppose to automatically go to LBA (OJ'S CHILDRENS COMPANY) on May 14/ 07 according to the original contract.

If oj does work/agreements on behalf of LBA, it would be expected that OJ would be paid for this work/agreement beneficial to LBA by LBA. That would be a normal business arrangement. imo

Most new book contract between parties do call for new corporations/vehicles
be set up to cover the activities of THAT Abook. So it is not unusual that LBA was set up as a new company to cover this new activity. imo
martin II


You are so totally kidding right? You're trying to tell me that almost everytime someone writes a new book a brand new corporation gets set up?

You're so full of it.

[weezer]

*Snipped*Judith Regan of Regan Books said she paid oj simpson for his signature of approval of the book and the planned tv interview.This payment of $850,000 was a advance payment due and paid to oj. The rights to the book is suppose to automatically go to LBA (OJ'S CHILDRENS COMPANY) on May 14/ 07 according to the original contract.

If oj does work/agreements on behalf of LBA, it would be expected that OJ would be paid for this work/agreement beneficial to LBA by LBA. That would be a normal business arrangement. imo

Most new book contract between parties do call for new corporations/vehicles
be set up to cover the activities of THAT Abook. So it is not unusual that LBA was set up as a new company to cover this new activity. imo
martin II

HC/Regan says the checks were made out to LBA. How did orenthal get money out of LBA?

[weezer]

You are so totally kidding right? You're trying to tell me that almost everytime someone writes a new book a brand new corporation gets set up?

You're so full of it.

some things that martin writes about seem to happen in HIS world.........sssshhhhh

[martin II]

LBA WAS A NEW COMPANY WITH A NEW CONTRACT WITH HC FOR A NEW BOOK. That is not difficult to understand for most.
Nothing unusual about that at all.
The bottom line is that now the issue is in bankruptcy court and the propopsed sale was cancelled. The results will be made public at some time in the future.

martin II

[weezer]

LBA WAS A NEW COMPANY WITH A NEW CONTRACT WITH HC FOR A NEW BOOK. That is not difficult to understand for most.
Nothing unusual about that at all.
The bottom line is that now the issue is in bankruptcy court and the propopsed sale was cancelled. The results will be made public at some time in the future.

martin II

LBA was a sham company set up by the murderer using his children as a shield to protect his money. Not difficult to understand.

My question is, how did orenthal get money from LBA (who everyone agrees negotiated the deal and signed the deal)? Who in LBA gave him the money? Or maybe he was a signatory?

[weezer]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1264/is_1_36/ai_n13665119

"O.J.'s eldest daughter, Arnelle Simpson, was the first to take the stand in his defense when he was tried for the murder of his ex-wife, Nicole, and her friend in 1994. . . . . But we won't hear her whole story yet: Simpson plans to pen an autobiography in the future."

Wonder if the title to her book will be "And I Helped" -- ;) Hey, it could be a boxed set.

[martin II]

I hadn't thought about the idea of Arnell writing a book but she is one of the few that would be able to write about the life of oj and nicole from her personal experience.

martin II

[weezer]

I hadn't thought about the idea of Arnell writing a book but she is one of the few that would be able to write about the life of oj and nicole from her personal experience.

martin II

Who do you think the audience would be for a book written by her? I mean, other than her telling exactly what she remembers daddy saying when he called to have her wash his murder suit and what kind of soap she used --- what else is there to say?

[martin II]

LBA was a sham company set up by the murderer using his children as a shield to protect his money. Not difficult to understand.

My question is, how did orenthal get money from LBA (who everyone agrees negotiated the deal and signed the deal)? Who in LBA gave him the money? Or maybe he was a signatory?

I think oj said from the beginning that he agreed to sign off on the book for the money. He got paid something between $850,000 and $1,000,000 depending on who is reporting on the issue.

The ownership of the book rights of LBA is on hold for the moment.

He has been found not guilty of murder and is living a confortable life in Florida while raising his two younger kids.

This is as it should be for a man accused of a crime that he did not commit.

So far oj is ahead of the game.
martin II

[weezer]

I think oj said from the beginning that he agreed to sign off on the book for the money. He got paid something between $850,000 and $1,000,000 depending on who is reporting on the issue.

The ownership of the book rights of LBA is on hold for the moment.

He has been found not guilty of murder and is living a confortable life in Florida while raising his two younger kids.

This is as it should be for a man accused of a crime that he did not commit.

So far oj is ahead of the game.
martin II

You think because he got away with murder and has managed to maneuver his way around a court ordered judgment that he's ahead of the game? Pathetic.

[martin II]

Who do you think the audience would be for a book written by her? I mean, other than her telling exactly what she remembers daddy saying when he called to have her wash his murder suit and what kind of soap she used --- what else is there to say?

weezer

There is no proof that oj called Arnell and no proof that she ever washed any sweat suit. Just things you may have created in your mind in the absence of proof.
martin II

[martin II]

You think because he got away with murder and has managed to maneuver his way around a court ordered judgment that he's ahead of the game? Pathetic.

I may be wrong but i doubt that Oj Simpson is at all concerned about what you think about how he runs his affairs.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

There is no proof that oj called Arnell and no proof that she ever washed any sweat suit. Just things you may have created in your mind in the absence of proof.
martin II

you mean other than her laundry basket being in the laundry room AND his sweat suit being in the washing machine with her freshly washed lingerie?

[martin II]

LBA was a sham company set up by the murderer using his children as a shield to protect his money. Not difficult to understand.

My question is, how did orenthal get money from LBA (who everyone agrees negotiated the deal and signed the deal)? Who in LBA gave him the money? Or maybe he was a signatory?

I believe there was a third party broker in CA between Regan books and LBA
that facilitated the the book transaction.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

You may give your opinion on LBA but to say it is not a legal company in Florida is not true.
martin II

Actually this topic is being debated. You can't say that it is a legal company that was set up with the sole intention of benefitting his children only. It may have been "legally" set up. But, the debate is why it was set up. It was set up to avoid paying his civil judgement that a judge ordered him to pay because he murdered Ron and Nicole.

We know OJ is a liar and he is a proven theif. So, we can't believe what he says. When it comes to what OJ says we have to dig deeper.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
here is another opinion on this issue from a blog.

"It's Wrong to Censor O.J." *snip*



Where are the rest of the comments? Why did you only post this one? Where's the link? What's the point of you posting what someone random (who we can't even verify) thinks??

:shrug:

[weezer]

I may be wrong but i doubt that Oj Simpson is at all concerned about what you think about how he runs his affairs.
martin II

oh I'm sure you are exactly correct except that I am part of the majority that believes him to be the Butcher of Brentwood.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

*snip*

Nothing wrong with oj simpson using the legal/court system to request relief from a attack on his assets.

martin II

So, you approve (or at least don't disapprove) of someone using the court system to their advantage to avoid paying restitution? Or to avoid paying a large judgement? Concerning the Satellite that he was convicted of stealing, that's supporting a thief. You think that's okay? I bet the owner would definately disagree with you. If this happened every day many businesses would go out bankrupt.

[tazzybaby]

weezer

In case you did not notice my post was directed to TAZZY.
martiN II

Hi Martin,

I don't mind if Weezer answers for me.....we think along the same lines.

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

IMO- He is on talk shows all the time as a result of the public interest with the case!

Why was he on the talk show then? To say there was NO BOOK. IMO He should have been more careful with his words. Since he didn't know about the book what else could there be that OJ is hiding from him? Why wouldn't he disolve the relationship for that? Seems like he's in it FOR the publicity.

[weezer]

Hi Martin,

I don't mind if Weezer answers for me.....we think along the same lines.

:seeya:

thanks tazzy -- he just didn't like my answer. LOL

[martin II]

you mean other than her laundry basket being in the laundry room AND his sweat suit being in the washing machine with her freshly washed lingerie?

If you have proof that either of what you clained happened then post it. if not then it must be what you think happened.

you will need telephone proof of the call from oj to Arnell and a physical sweat suit both entered into evidence.

otherwise it is nonsense like your saying Arnell "looks awful" and you inquiry
into "how doeS Arnell supports herself".
martin II

[tazzybaby]

you never heard of a high profile cases that require public relations?:confused:

I'm thinking of Vincent Bugliosi, Mark Geragos & Gloria Allred..
just to name a few :read:

anyhow, I agree with you & have agreed that Galanter did NOT know about the book from the start.

Galanter himself has admitted that he didnt know about the book & would have advised againist OJS from doing it, as it was in poor taste!

perhaps that's the reason why OJS never told him about the deal?

so I cant lose credibility for Galanter he was completely honest & upfront

but thats jmo....


Hi Sassy,

I didn't say that there weren't lawyers that talked with the media. I haven't heard that Galanter was OJ's PUBLIC RELATIONS LAWYER. Usually when you have a public relations lawyer or a lawyer who handles both, they know what they're talking about. That isn't true in this case.

IMO it was OJ who CAUSED Galanter to look like an idiot. However, Galanter carried that further when he continued on as his lawyer. If he would have disolved his relationship with him he would have had more credibility in my eyes. Maybe he learned his lesson by trusting OJ. I doubt it though.

[martin II]

So, you approve (or at least don't disapprove) of someone using the court system to their advantage to avoid paying restitution? Or to avoid paying a large judgement? Concerning the Satellite that he was convicted of stealing, that's supporting a thief. You think that's okay? I bet the owner would definately disagree with you. If this happened every day many businesses would go out bankrupt.

tazzy hi

I does not matter what i approve of or don't approve of. The court system has laws. OJ is entitled to the protection of these laws just like any other citizen.

Unless you believe that these laws are not to be used by oj to protect his assets. Bankruptcy courts were established for companies and citizens to seek relief from creditors that they cannot pay. The court is available to EVERYONE.

If in the end the bankruptcy court leaves LBA with the rights to the book.
Would you say that is illegal?

martin II

martin II

[weezer]

If you have proof that either of what you clained happened then post it. if not then it must be what you think happened.

you will need telephone proof of the call from oj to Arnell and a physical sweat suit both entered into evidence.

otherwise it is nonsense like your saying Arnell "looks awful" and you inquiry
into "how doeS Arnell supports herself".
martin II

Sorry, but arnelle does looks like cr@p and I was simply curious about how she supported herself since I know up to the night of the murders, she'd been living off of daddy. Guess her payback happened that night, huh?

yah, yah, yah -- I know -- we have to have a video of arnelle doing the wash. . . .

The facts are this: The maid testified that orenthal never did the wash. The maid testified that when she left on Friday, all of the wash was done and there was nothing in the washing machine or dryer. The maid testified that the laundry basket found in the laundry room the morning after the murders looked like arnelle's.

The facts are this: Arnelle identified the laundry basket as belonging to her. Arnelle identified the clothes in the washing machine as belonging to her. Arnelle denied any knowledge of the dark sweat suit that was in the washing machine with HER lingerie.

[tazzybaby]

and so you think its no problem that the Brown's will have to go back to court to fight & stop the Goldmans from selling the book?...:no: I dont!


again jmo!

IMO When the Brown's helped OJ put certain items in the kids trust to avoid the Goldman's getting it or selling it then they caused this tension between the two victims families. I actually understand why they did it. I don't blame the Brown's. However, I understand why the Goldman's would have animosity towards that. They are dealing with this completely different. The Brown's still have ties to OJ that cannot be erased. The Goldman's have none.

[weezer]

tazzy hi

I does not matter what i approve of or don't approve of. The court system has laws. OJ is entitled to the protection of these laws just like any other citizen.

Unless you believe that these laws are not to be used by oj to protect his assets. Bankruptcy courts were established for companies and citizens to seek relief from creditors that they cannot pay. The court is available to EVERYONE.

If in the end the bankruptcy court leaves LBA with the rights to the book.
Would you say that is illegal?

martin II

martin II

the laws are available to all citizens -- including the plaintiff. Everyone knows that orenthal (not really because I can't imagine he's smart enough to figure any of this out) set up the sham company to divert the book money. My question is if the money was funneled through LBA, how did orenthal get his hands on it?

[martin II]

the laws are available to all citizens -- including the plaintiff. Everyone knows that orenthal (not really because I can't imagine he's smart enough to figure any of this out) set up the sham company to divert the book money. My question is if the money was funneled through LBA, how did orenthal get his hands on it?

I have answered your question twice. I guess you just like repeating your post.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

I have answered your question twice. I guess you just like repeating your post.

imo
martin II

you didn't answer the question. You obviously speculated that the first monies were to orenthal but that's not what is being said by the other parties. The reports say that the contract was made between HC/Regan and LBA. The reports say that there were checks. I'm just trying to figure out who lied: HC/Regan or orenthal.

[martin II]

you didn't answer the question. You obviously speculated that the first monies were to orenthal but that's not what is being said by the other parties. The reports say that the contract was made between HC/Regan and LBA. The reports say that there were checks. I'm just trying to figure out who lied: HC/Regan or orenthal.

weezer

Actually i don't believe and "PARTIES" have inside information of how the money was distributed.

But the issue is oj agreed with Regan to be paid $850,000 advance for his signature approving the deal. This money was for OJ SIMPSON not LBA .
so it does not matter who received the money.

Regan books facilitated the payment to OJ as requested and in fact helped him to be paid well in advance of them admiting to the media that the book even existed. This was done so as to allow him receive the payment without fred or anyone else even knowing about it. LBA was to receive the rights to the book on 5/14 or may have already received the rights and was to profit from the sale of the book if that had happened.

The other question is how a CA judge can order a Florida company that does not have a judgement against it to give up their assets.

But at any rate fred again, so far, got close but came away empty handed

LBA has filed bankruptcy and we will see what the results will be some time in the future.

meanwhile oj is free and has a packed pocket.imo
martin II

[sassylassy]

I'd say Martin does that all the time & it's clear by his posts!


I'd say lots of ppl do it everyday, there is no need to call any one person out!

[sassylassy]

I found it odd that the Browns didn't go to court to stop the publication in the first place.

The Brown's didnt legally go to Court with the Goldman's (from what I know of anyways) but they were united together on their quest to ensure the book was never released!:read:

[sassylassy]

I can only speak for myself. For me, boycotting the book was to make sure orenthal did not receive any money for the double murders he committed. Personally, I could care less if the book is published. And yes, I do think the title change would be a hoot. Wonder if the new owner(s) has the right to do that?

I was under the impression ppl were boycotting the book because it was a manual to murder & they never wanted it to see the light of day!

I guess everyone has a different take on things....:shrug: :read:

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

I can't speak for anyone else on this forum but can tell you that my own personal boycotting (and that of most people I know) came from the notion that OJ Simpson would profit from the crime of murder that he committed by writing a book purposely meant to slap the victims' families in the face ... again. And that it would allow him to get a kick out of turning the world upside down while he propped his feet up on the couch and watched his pirated cable.

So roll your eyes all you want, but understand that people have deep and real reasons behind the things that they support or boycott.

and I respect your reasons for boycotting the book, & can only then assume you dont support the idea of Fred Goldman buying the book & releasing it!
:read:

[sassylassy]

sassy

True, and i do believe that there are some nut jobs that view her program.
martin II


ha!

my boyfriend thinks I'm nuts for watching her ((he isnt a fan at all))

:beer:

[martin II]

Why was he on the talk show then? To say there was NO BOOK. IMO He should have been more careful with his words. Since he didn't know about the book what else could there be that OJ is hiding from him? Why wouldn't he disolve the relationship for that? Seems like he's in it FOR the publicity.

tazzy hi
thats when you run into some trouble when you attempt to tell Galanter "what he should do". Does he work for you?

As has been stated here before Galanter has prevented Fred from getting more than $26.00 from OJ Simpson. I think that is the work of a well informed and skillful lawyer.imo

AFTER 12 YEARS OF ATTACKS BY FRED.
martin II

[sassylassy]

It's not obvious to you?

The point isn't the book itself because if it were then most of us would never read a true-crime book. The point is letting someone make millions off of committing a murder that they never had to account for.

This narcissist of a guy thrives on the fact that he beat a murder rap and uses every available minute of his time to gripe about how unfairly he's treated and then somehow straps on an even bigger pair of balls and acts like it's Fred Goldman that creates the mess.

see I recall Fred Goldman saying this book was trash & a manual to commit murder & the american ppl should take a stand & never let this book see the light of day.....

But now its okay for the Book to see the light because he will profit from it so so whats obvious to me is this a big double standard...& that's just the way I see it.

I also think its a disrespectful slap in the face to the Brown family & thats what I find most upsetting...

as always moo!

[martin II]

see I recall Fred Goldman saying this book was trash & a manual to commit murder & the american ppl should take a stand & never let this book see the light of day.....

But now its okay for the Book to see the light because he will profit from it so so whats obvious to me is this a big double standard...& that's just the way I see it.

I also think its a disrespectful slap in the face to the Brown family & thats what I find most upsetting...

as always moo!

sassy hi
the way i see it fred rode the wave and popularity on NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON during the criminal trial and especially during the civil trial.
Some times after that he decided that he would make a serious effort to
get his hands on some free money using his son as bait.

He does not give a d*** about the browns as evident by the time he sued them for the oj debt.

Fred wants ALL the money for himself because he wants a bigger house ,a bigger car and a larger bank account in his name.

I believe he would play a game of golf with oj if there was money in it for him.
martin II

[sassylassy]

Associated Press Published: Friday, April 13, 2007
"LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The estate of Nicole Brown Simpson should receive one-half of any money raised at next week's auction for the rights to the cancelled O.J. Simpson book If I Did It, a lawyer representing the estate said Thursday. . . .

. . . .Lawyer Greg Hafif, who represents the Brown Simpson estate, said the main goal is to ensure the book is never published."

Didn't see anything about burning the book -- just if it sells we want half and it not ever be published.

"should" is the key word, But that's not what happened, The Brown's lost their legal Bid & shortly afterwards LBA declared bankruptcy.

The Browns have stressed from day one they never want to see the book released!

moo of course!

[sassylassy]

Why was he on the talk show then? To say there was NO BOOK. IMO He should have been more careful with his words. Since he didn't know about the book what else could there be that OJ is hiding from him? Why wouldn't he disolve the relationship for that? Seems like he's in it FOR the publicity.

how the heck am I to know why he went on NG...:confused:.....

[sassylassy]

IMO When the Brown's helped OJ put certain items in the kids trust to avoid the Goldman's getting it or selling it then they caused this tension between the two victims families. I actually understand why they did it. I don't blame the Brown's. However, I understand why the Goldman's would have animosity towards that. They are dealing with this completely different. The Brown's still have ties to OJ that cannot be erased. The Goldman's have none.

what certain items did they help out with?

and imo it still doesnt make it right regardless of the reasons!

like that saying....((the path to heii was paved with good intentions))

as always this is jmo on the topic!

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
the way i see it fred rode the wave and popularity on NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON during the criminal trial and especially during the civil trial.
Some times after that he decided that he would make a serious effort to
get his hands on some free money using his son as bait.

He does not give a d*** about the browns as evident by the time he sued them for the oj debt.

Fred wants ALL the money for himself because he wants a bigger house ,a bigger car and a larger bank account in his name.

I believe he would play a game of golf with oj if there was money in it for him.
martin II


Hi Martin,

nay I disagree, I dont think Fred wanted this to ever happen,
for a man that was thrown into complete overwhelming choas he carried himself very well, very admirable.

I dont think Fred wants a bigger house or car, I think he wants justice, anyway he can & at any cost! I dont think he will ever be at peace until he does get some sort of justice in this lifetime.

of couse moo :)

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

I didn't say that there weren't lawyers that talked with the media. I haven't heard that Galanter was OJ's PUBLIC RELATIONS LAWYER. .



Glanter has been speaking for OJS for years now :shrug: :confused::read:

[sassylassy]

Any one of us can post to you and answer your posts. Don't like it? Then leave the Board SFB! Pretty simple! IMO!

what does SFB stand for?:read:

[weezer]

"should" is the key word, But that's not what happened, The Brown's lost their legal Bid & shortly afterwards LBA declared bankruptcy.

The Browns have stressed from day one they never want to see the book released!

moo of course!

I don't think either family wants to see the book published -- most especially by the murderer. moo of course.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

nay I disagree, I dont think Fred wanted this to ever happen,
for a man that was thrown into complete overwhelming choas he carried himself very well, very admirable.

I dont think Fred wants a bigger house or car, I think he wants justice, anyway he can & at any cost! I dont think he will ever be at peace until he does get some sort of justice in this lifetime.

of couse moo :)

sassy hi
ok
i just don't know what justice is for him. Oj will not be tried again. Ron will not come back.What does justice look like.lots of money? or something else?
martinII

[martin II]

I don't think either family wants to see the book published -- most especially by the murderer. moo of course.

weezer
fred wants a bidder to pay him money at auction so the bidder can sell the book to the public. or as his lawyer said he wants the banruptcy court to sell him the rights so he can sell the book to the public.

Sounds like fred wants the book to be sold to the public.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
fred wants a bidder to pay him money at auction so the bidder can sell the book to the public. or as his lawyer said he wants the banruptcy court to sell him the rights so he can sell the book to the public.

Sounds like fred wants the book to be sold to the public.

martin II

I understand that you have a real hate on for Fred Goldman and my guess is that at this point, Mr. Goldman doesn't care whether or not the book is published as long as orenthal is never in a position to profit from it.

I will personally add to that that it is obscene that arnelle was/is set to profit from Nicole's and Ron's death.

moo of course

[sassylassy]

I don't think either family wants to see the book published -- most especially by the murderer. moo of course.

are you kidding me....

Fred wants to buy the rights of the book so that he can collect towards the judgement? how do you think he is going to collect? by selling the book!:read:

[weezer]

are you kidding me....

Fred wants to buy the rights of the book so that he can collect towards the judgement? how do you think he is going to collect? by selling the book!:read:

Mr. Goldman wants the rights to the book in order to keep orenthal from being able to publish and profit from the two horrific murders he committed. The only right Mr. Goldman has to acquire those rights is through the judgment. I doubt that he cares how much those rights sell for -- only who has them.

[sassylassy]

I understand that you have a real hate on for Fred Goldman and my guess is that at this point, Mr. Goldman doesn't care whether or not the book is published as long as orenthal is never in a position to profit from it.

I will personally add to that that it is obscene that arnelle was/is set to profit from Nicole's and Ron's death.

moo of course

Flg- have you not read this link, the one that we have been talking about for days now?

Fred Goldman said he would ask a US bankruptcy court to sell him the book rights as part of a campaign to collect some of the $US33.5 million in damages Simpson was ordered to pay in 1997, lawyer David Cook said.

how do you think Fred Goldman is going to collect, clearly its by selling the book :read:

imo:seeya:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4029212a4501.html

[weezer]

Flg- have you not read this link, the one that we have been talking about for days now?

Fred Goldman said he would ask a US bankruptcy court to sell him the book rights as part of a campaign to collect some of the $US33.5 million in damages Simpson was ordered to pay in 1997, lawyer David Cook said.

how do you think Fred Goldman is going to collect, clearly its by selling the book :read:

imo:seeya:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4029212a4501.html

of course I've read it and more. Mr. Goldman's claim to the rights is through the judgment -- I do not believe he cares what the book would or would not bring if it were published. I do believe he cares that orenthal never profit from it.

[sassylassy]

Mr. Goldman wants the rights to the book in order to keep orenthal from being able to publish and profit from the two horrific murders he committed. The only right Mr. Goldman has to acquire those rights is through the judgment. I doubt that he cares how much those rights sell for -- only who has them.


and I can understand the reasons why Goldman would want to keep the rights from simpson. however I cant support the fact that he Now wants to sell this book, the same book that he started a boycott over...:read:

The same book that the American ppl should never read, the maual to murder etc...
but now we are saying its okay to release this book because Goldman now owns it?

Thats just my point of view & how I feel about it!

[sassylassy]

weezer
fred wants a bidder to pay him money at auction so the bidder can sell the book to the public. or as his lawyer said he wants the banruptcy court to sell him the rights so he can sell the book to the public.

Sounds like fred wants the book to be sold to the public.
martin II


thats exactly what it sounds like to me Martin!

[weezer]

and I can understand the reasons why Goldman would want to keep the rights from simpson. however I cant support the fact that he Now wants to sell this book, the same book that he started a boycott over...:read: The same book that the American ppl should never read etc...

Thats just my point of view & how I feel about it!

and I respect your point. All I am trying to say is that just because someone has said the book would be published does not mean the book will be published. There has to be a monetary benefit to Mr. Goldman for him to be able to claim the rights through the judgment.

[sassylassy]

and I respect your point. All I am trying to say is that just because someone has said the book would be published does not mean the book will be published. There has to be a monetary benefit to Mr. Goldman for him to be able to claim the rights through the judgment.

Well I am discussing what Fred Goldman's intentions are today & you are right....
doesnt mean it will happen, but this is his next move!

and I personally dont like it at all!

as always moo!

[martin II]

Well I am discussing what Fred Goldman's intentions are today & you are right....
doesnt mean it will happen, but this is his next move!

and I personally dont like it at all!

as always moo!

weezer
Fred asked that the judge cause the rights to be auctioned and that he be given ALL the money. The judge agreed.

The bidder that gives Fred the money will publish the book and sell it in retail stores and other venues for all to buy.

Fred now is asking the bankruptcy judge to SELL him the book rights so he can then resale it or sell the books himself.

under either if these circumstances FRED will be receiveing money and the book will be sold to the public based on Fred receiving money.

So Fred definately wants the book to be sold so he can get money.

This is not that difficult to understand.
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*So Fred definately wants the book to be sold so he can get money.

where was your indignation when orenthal pocketed the $800k+? I remember reading that you thought it was really funny...........

[jotun]

see I recall Fred Goldman saying this book was trash & a manual to commit murder & the american ppl should take a stand & never let this book see the light of day.....

But now its okay for the Book to see the light because he will profit from it so so whats obvious to me is this a big double standard...& that's just the way I see it.

I also think its a disrespectful slap in the face to the Brown family & thats what I find most upsetting...

as always moo!

All
IMO
I recall:
Fred also had a website.Remember the early pages from this 'sue' thread?
"DON"T PAY OJ.COM' Collected alot of names with calls & e-mails to NewsCorp. Ended it with 'WE WON'!!!
And alot of bragging on tv.

Arnelle,Jason,SYDNEY & JUSTIN's company LBA was set-up to receive MOST of the profits from 'IF I DID IT'
O.J. received the advance of $890,000 including $400,000 for the completed interview. Because of the combined efforts of Denise [with her organized women's groups,which she thanked on LK] and G begging on various tv shows. The book & interview were cancelled.So the kids company was BANKRUPT.

Federal Judge Manual Real dismissed G'suit to get O.J.'s money,told them to take it to Florida,where it belongs.

So they went judge shopping and found State Judge Rosenburg who OVERRODE the FEDERAL Judge and ruled AFTER the defence had gone, that Gcould have the proceeds to book-rights OWNED by O.J.'s kids aka LBA in Fla. [Means Sydney & Justin who are owed 38 million also are to pay Fred.] Gwas THRILLED.He and or his 3 lawyers were on many tv shows GLOATING.

Gs lawyers set up a new website:http://www.ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com They sent direct mail solications to 1600 literary agents, publishing houses and movies companies and a e-mail address 'OJ TO PAY' for their big sale.

Thought this was one interesting quote from G's lawyer when Fred's Judge Rosenburg denied a request by Nicole's Estate to receive any proceeds from the auction."We all share the tragedy for the Brown's and they have alot of tears and their tears are our tears." BUT THEY HAVE TO STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD."

O.J.'s kids file for BANKRUPTCY in Miami Fla.
THE SALE IS CANCELLED.

Since Gwas twarted by O.J.'S kids.And he couldn't TAKE the book rights to sell for himself. He NOW wants to BUY the rights from LBA [that he threw into bankruptcy]. That will be ___ million. CASH ONLY!!! Hope the kids SUE FRED for the proceeds they would have received from the book. About time someone put a stop to this hypocrite. Wouldn't it be great if he OWED a judgement to the kids.

G stated in 95 at the money trial ALL he wanted was the VERDICT. So far that's ALL he's got.
Hope it stays that way.

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Since Golddigger was twarted by O.J.'S kids.

Yeah, I wonder who put them up to this? :rolleyes: You should be ashamed of yourself for speaking this way of a man that had his Son slaughtered, but I know you're not.

[martin II]

All
IMO
I recall:
Fred also had a website.Remember the early pages from this 'sue' thread?
"DON"T PAY OJ.COM' Collected alot of names with calls & e-mails to NewsCorp. Ended it with 'WE WON'!!!
And alot of bragging on tv.

Arnelle,Jason,SYDNEY & JUSTIN's company LBA was set-up to receive MOST of the profits from 'IF I DID IT'
O.J. received the advance of $890,000 including $400,000 for the completed interview. Because of the combined efforts of Denise [with her organized women's groups,which she thanked on LK] and Golddigger's begging on various tv shows. The book & interview were cancelled.So the kids company was BANKRUPT.

Federal Judge Manual Real dismissed Golddigger'suit to get O.J.'s money,told them to take it to Florida,where it belongs.

So they went judge shopping and found State Judge Rosenburg who OVERRODE the FEDERAL Judge and ruled AFTER the defence had gone, that Golddigger could have the proceeds to book-rights OWNED by O.J.'s kids aka LBA in Fla. [Means Sydney & Justin who are owed 38 million also are to pay Fred.] Golddigger was THRILLED.He and or his 3 lawyers were on many tv shows GLOATING.

Golddigger's lawyers set up a new website:http://www.ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com They sent direct mail solications to 1600 literary agents, publishing houses and movies companies and a e-mail address 'OJ TO PAY' for their big sale.

Thought this was one interesting quote from Golddigger's lawyer when Fred's Judge Rosenburg denied a request by Nicole's Estate to receive any proceeds from the auction."We all share the tragedy for the Brown's and they have alot of tears and their tears are our tears." BUT THEY HAVE TO STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD."

O.J.'s kids file for BANKRUPTCY in Miami Fla.
THE SALE IS CANCELLED.

Since Golddigger was twarted by O.J.'S kids.And he couldn't TAKE the book rights to sell for himself. He NOW wants to BUY the rights from LBA [that he threw into bankruptcy]. That will be ___ million. CASH ONLY!!! Hope the kids SUE FRED for the proceeds they would have received from the book. About time someone put a stop to this hypocrite. Wouldn't it be great if he OWED a judgement to the kids.

Golddigger stated in 95 at the money trial ALL he wanted was the VERDICT. So far that's ALL he's got.
Hope it stays that way.

jotun

jotun hi
that is about the best summary of all of the events in this legal case. It shows the real motive of Mr Goldman and his lawyers. Mr goldmans lawyers have a lot of money invested in this case and that may be the driving force for the relentless dirve by Mr Goldman to make up this money owed to them.

I still don't understand how a State Judge could rule over the federal judge especially in what appears to be a secret decision making session without defense, LBA, being present. That is what i call a sham decision.

Also glad you cleared up the process of distribution of the money to OJ for the advance and the interview.

The suite belonged in Florida where LBA is , not in CA.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

*Snipped*

where was your indignation when orenthal pocketed the $800k+? I remember reading that you thought it was really funny...........

weezer

It seems that your hate of Oj may cause you to overlook one basic issue. Oj Simpson has a right to work to earn money. The fact that he has a outstanding judgement against him does not in any legal way prevent him from attempting to make money.I will leave the moral judgements to you since you seem to believe you are better equiped to make these type judgements than most. jmoo
martin II

[martin II]

jotun
i am wondering where is Mr Goldman getting all these millions of dollars from for the case and to buy the book rights he claims he want to purchase.
martin II

[Jayme K]

jotun
i am wondering where is Mr Goldman getting all these millions of dollars from for the case and to buy the book rights he claims he want to purchase.
martin II

Probably the same place OJ is. Pro Bono work.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
thats when you run into some trouble when you attempt to tell Galanter "what he should do". Does he work for you?

As has been stated here before Galanter has prevented Fred from getting more than $26.00 from OJ Simpson. I think that is the work of a well informed and skillful lawyer.imo

AFTER 12 YEARS OF ATTACKS BY FRED.
martin II


LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I've never talked to Galanter and I've never tried to tell him what to do! What a strange comment. Oh wait, you were being sarcastic, right?

Galanter is a weasle. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. And, I don't like someone who takes up for a murderer and takes up for someone who is trying to cheat the system legally.

Of course this is IMO and most others.

[martin II]

Thought this was one interesting quote from Golddigger's lawyer when Fred's Judge Rosenburg denied a request by Nicole's Estate to receive any proceeds from the auction."We all share the tragedy for the Brown's and they have alot of tears and their tears are our tears." BUT THEY HAVE TO STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD."


According to Mr Goldman the Browns need to 'STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD"?

That takes the cake, as they say.

martin II

[martin II]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I've never talked to Galanter and I've never tried to tell him what to do! What a strange comment. Oh wait, you were being sarcastic, right?

Galanter is a weasle. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. And, I don't like someone who takes up for a murderer and takes up for someone who is trying to cheat the system legally.

Of course this is IMO and most others.

tazzy hi

Oj was found to be NOT GUILTY OF MURDER by a criminal trial jury. That is a fact in LAW. So i guess he is only a murderer in the minds of those that think they were in a better position to understand the facts of the trial than the TRYERS OF FACT approved and selected by both DEFENSE and the PROSECUTION. JMOO
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I've never talked to Galanter and I've never tried to tell him what to do! What a strange comment. Oh wait, you were being sarcastic, right?

Galanter is a weasle. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. And, I don't like someone who takes up for a murderer and takes up for someone who is trying to cheat the system legally.

Of course this is IMO and most others.

tazzy hi

do you dissagree with the thousands of people that file for bankruptcy protection against creditors or is it just oj using the same system to protect his assets like others do.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

how the heck am I to know why he went on NG...:confused:.....

:rolleyes:

Why do you THINK?

[tazzybaby]

what certain items did they help out with?

and imo it still doesnt make it right regardless of the reasons!

like that saying....((the path to heii was paved with good intentions))

as always this is jmo on the topic!

Hmmm....you don't know about the trust issues???

Baker said in court that ''99 percent'' of what the Goldman lawyers demanded was now kept in a trust that will benefit the two children even though the items are in Simpson's home. The trust is being headed by Simpson's older sister Shirley Baker.


Court records show the trust was created on March 10 the same day the judgment against Simpson in the civil case was entered.


Baker said the trust was set up to partly satisfy the award toward Nicole Simpson's estate.


''You've got the Goldmans trying to take the children's property,'' Baker told Fujisaki.


Goldman lawyer Peter Gelblum said he was not aware of the trust until Thursday but believed it was improper.


''He's using his children to try and hide his assets,'' Gelblum said. The trust ''has the earmarks of a fraudulent conveyance.''


Gelblum acknowledged that the plaintiff lawyers ''are having some difficulty working things out.'' But he scoffed at Baker's attempts to pit Fred Goldman against Simpson's children.


''We have no intention of hurting his children,'' Gelblum said. ''You really got to remember what this is about. This is about a man who killed two people including my client's son. It's highly misplaced for anyone to talk about sympathy for him.''

and this....

The feud came to light when Slates told Shimer that his client would not contest giving up 101 of 107 seized possessions if the judge ruled that Louis Brown, executor of Nicole Simpson's estate, got priority of the items over the Goldman family. The estate benefits the two children that Simpson had with his slain ex-wife. Both Sydney and Justin Simpson live with their father.


Outside court, Goldman attorney Daniel Petrocelli fumed at the proposal. ''That was a gimmick on their part to move the items as soon as possible to their favorite creditors, which are the Browns.''


Added co-counsel Gary Caris: ''The reason they're in collusion is that the money goes back to Mr. Simpson.''


Ira Friedman, who represents Louis Brown, said it was ''not a secret'' that Simpson preferred his former in-laws.

The judge rejected a proposal from Simpson's side that most of his claimed exemptions be dropped if the Browns got priority over the Goldmans.


All of this was going on from the beginning. So, Simpson has done this to the Goldman's from the beginning. The Brown's helped OJ to do this. I hope that upsets you as bad as the Goldman's not caring about the Brown's feelings. I don't blame either families. I can understand both sides. But, to show disgust at one side when the other side did their own "looking out for their own side" then that's wrong. Of course, this is IMO.

[tazzybaby]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8843730]Glanter has been speaking for OJS for years now QUOTE]

Right. So, then, why wouldn't he know about the book? And, since Galanter has been representing him and going on PR tours for him then why wouldn't he know? And, why would OJ allow him to make such big statements knowing that there truly was a book? Why would Galanter continue to represent him? What's in it for him?

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

Oj was found to be NOT GUILTY OF MURDER by a criminal trial jury. That is a fact in LAW. So i guess he is only a murderer in the minds of those that think they were in a better position to understand the facts of the trial than the TRYERS OF FACT approved and selected by both DEFENSE and the PROSECUTION. JMOO
MARTIN ii

And, no matter how much you ignore it, he was also found responsible for those killings. Which means .... he is a murderer.

[martin II]

Hmmm....you don't know about the trust issues???

Baker said in court that ''99 percent'' of what the Goldman lawyers demanded was now kept in a trust that will benefit the two children even though the items are in Simpson's home. The trust is being headed by Simpson's older sister Shirley Baker.


Court records show the trust was created on March 10 the same day the judgment against Simpson in the civil case was entered.


Baker said the trust was set up to partly satisfy the award toward Nicole Simpson's estate.


''You've got the Goldmans trying to take the children's property,'' Baker told Fujisaki.


Goldman lawyer Peter Gelblum said he was not aware of the trust until Thursday but believed it was improper.


''He's using his children to try and hide his assets,'' Gelblum said. The trust ''has the earmarks of a fraudulent conveyance.''


Gelblum acknowledged that the plaintiff lawyers ''are having some difficulty working things out.'' But he scoffed at Baker's attempts to pit Fred Goldman against Simpson's children.


''We have no intention of hurting his children,'' Gelblum said. ''You really got to remember what this is about. This is about a man who killed two people including my client's son. It's highly misplaced for anyone to talk about sympathy for him.''

and this....

The feud came to light when Slates told Shimer that his client would not contest giving up 101 of 107 seized possessions if the judge ruled that Louis Brown, executor of Nicole Simpson's estate, got priority of the items over the Goldman family. The estate benefits the two children that Simpson had with his slain ex-wife. Both Sydney and Justin Simpson live with their father.


Outside court, Goldman attorney Daniel Petrocelli fumed at the proposal. ''That was a gimmick on their part to move the items as soon as possible to their favorite creditors, which are the Browns.''


Added co-counsel Gary Caris: ''The reason they're in collusion is that the money goes back to Mr. Simpson.''


Ira Friedman, who represents Louis Brown, said it was ''not a secret'' that Simpson preferred his former in-laws.

The judge rejected a proposal from Simpson's side that most of his claimed exemptions be dropped if the Browns got priority over the Goldmans.


All of this was going on from the beginning. So, Simpson has done this to the Goldman's from the beginning. The Brown's helped OJ to do this. I hope that upsets you as bad as the Goldman's not caring about the Brown's feelings. I don't blame either families. I can understand both sides. But, to show disgust at one side when the other side did their own "looking out for their own side" then that's wrong. Of course, this is IMO.


tazzy hi

If i were oj simpson in that situaiton i would put as much of my assets in my childrens trust as i could rather than give it to fred goldman or any other creditor. I think most people would do the same. My children would come first.

martin ii

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

do you dissagree with the thousands of people that file for bankruptcy protection against creditors or is it just oj using the same system to protect his assets like others do.
martin II

Well, only all murderers who get away without going to jail who try and cheat the system and then also make money off of the murders that they committed including the one against the murder of their childrens mother.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

If i were oj simpson in that situaiton i would put as much of my assets in my childrens trust as i could rather than give it to fred goldman or any other creditor. I think most people would do the same. My children would come first.

martin ii

He didn't seem to be thinking that way when he killed her.

[martin II]

And, no matter how much you ignore it, he was also found responsible for those killings. Which means .... he is a murderer.

Tazzy hi

Oj has not been found GUILTY OF MUDER in any court in the u.s.a. so you can attatch any name you want to liable but it means, as you say, just your opinion.
martin II

[martin II]

He didn't seem to be thinking that way when he killed her.

oj did not kill anyone
martin II

[martin II]

Well, only all murderers who get away without going to jail who try and cheat the system and then also make money off of the murders that they committed including the one against the murder of their childrens mother.

LBA, the childrens company, has every right to file for bankruptcy as does all other people/companies that are legally bankrupt. Actually oj has not filed for anything.
martin II

[weezer]

LBA, the childrens company, has every right to file for bankruptcy as does all other people/companies that are legally bankrupt. Actually oj has not filed for anything.
martin II

I'm still wondering how orenthal got his hands on the LBA book money.

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy hi

Oj has not been found GUILTY OF MUDER in any court in the u.s.a. so you can attatch any name you want to liable but it means, as you say, just your opinion.
martin II

OJ was found RESPONSIBLE of murder in the USA and he had a penalty of a fine to pay because he was found to have caused the murders. So, this is NOT JUST my opinion. It is THE TRUTH.

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

oj did not kill anyone
martin II


You're right. He didn't just kill anyone. He killed the mother of his children and her friend.

:(

[tazzybaby]

LBA, the childrens company, has every right to file for bankruptcy as does all other people/companies that are legally bankrupt. Actually oj has not filed for anything.
martin II

So, since OJ or LBA is exercising their right to file Bankruptcy I guess that means that the Goldmans can exercise their rights by whatever way they find necessary. So, the Goldman's have every right to fight this.

[tazzybaby]

I'm still wondering how orenthal got his hands on the LBA book money.

Me too!! And, why would he get his money first and SPEND IT instead of putting it in a trust for the kids????? Selfish.

[martin II]

So, since OJ or LBA is exercising their right to file Bankruptcy I guess that means that the Goldmans can exercise their rights by whatever way they find necessary. So, the Goldman's have every right to fight this.

tazzy hi

I think Mr Goldman should come clean with the public and confess that he really wanted more then a 'VERDICT' as he first said. That he always wanted the free money ragardless of what he told the pubilc on national tv in the past. He has every right to try to get the money but i don't think he has the right to ask for the public support on some high moral ground when he is really
only after the money he can make on his son's death.

jmoo
martin II

[martin II]

I'm still wondering how orenthal got his hands on the LBA book money.

jotun explained and answered your 'QUESTION" but i guess you have your own reasons, for posting this nonsense question over and over again as you do quite frequently.
martin II

[weezer]

jotun explained and answered your 'QUESTION" but i guess you have your own reasons, for posting this nonsense question over and over again as you do quite frequently.
martin II

like jotun has credibility :lol:

[weezer]

tazzy hi

I think Mr Goldman should come clean with the public and confess that he really wanted more then a 'VERDICT' as he first said. That he always wanted the free money ragardless of what he told the pubilc on national tv in the past. He has every right to try to get the money but i don't think he has the right to ask for the public support on some high moral ground when he is really
only after the money he can make on his son's death.

jmoo
martin II

and I think there are rules against the bashing and demeaning disrespect you continue to exhibit toward the victims and their families.

[martin II]

So, since OJ or LBA is exercising their right to file Bankruptcy I guess that means that the Goldmans can exercise their rights by whatever way they find necessary. So, the Goldman's have every right to fight this.

tazzy hi
not OJ

LBA of Miami Florida
the company owned by OJ's children

MARTINii

[martin II]

and I think there are rules against the bashing and demeaning disrespect you continue to exhibit toward the victims and their families.

what i call telling both sides of a issue you call bashing simply because you don't like the facts even when they are tsetimony in a trial. i cannot help you with that problem.

martin II

[martin II]

like jotun has credibility :lol:

weezer
jotun has credibility based on her truthful post.

what in his/her post is not true?

martin II

[martin II]

And, no matter how much you ignore it, he was also found responsible for those killings. Which means .... he is a murderer.

oj was found not guilty of murder in a criminal trial and set free.
he was found liable in the money trial and a judgement was given to the Browns and the Goldmans. This supports the idea that any money taken from oj should be split equally between them.
Dont' forget oj has not filed for bankruptcy. LBA the childrens company did and it was filed by LBA lawyer not Galanter.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

oj was found not guilty of murder in a criminal trial and set free.
he was found liable in the money trial and a judgement was given to the Browns and the Goldmans. This supports the idea that any money taken from oj should be split equally between them.
Dont' forget oj has not filed for bankruptcy. LBA the childrens company did and it was filed by LBA lawyer not Galanter.
martin II

You keep saying it was LBA and not OJ. But, OJ spent the money. Why wouldn't he leave it in the trust for the kids. So, OJ spent the kids money? That's a good argument you're making :rolleyes:

Money trial? There is no such thing. Please show me in any law book the definition of a money trial. Do you mean a civil trial?

What doesn't support the idea of the money being split equally is the fact that the Browns didn't split up OJ's assets in the beginning. So, I'm not sure why you're bringing that up? Did you read my post regarding the fighting over OJ putting assets "in the trust" although the items were actually still in OJ's house?

Right, it wasn't filed by Galanter. So, why do you keep saying that Galanter kept the Goldman's from money? It wasn't even him.

:rolleyes:

[martin II]

Me too!! And, why would he get his money first and SPEND IT instead of putting it in a trust for the kids????? Selfish.

TAZZY HI

Again

The advance payments was for OJ simpson personally, the money projected from the title was for the childrens company LBA.

Oj says he paid his taxes on the house that will go to his kids at some point.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

All
IMO
*snip*

Golddigger stated in 95 at the money trial ALL he wanted was the VERDICT. So far that's ALL he's got.
Hope it stays that way.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

Golddigger? Who is that? Oh, that's your sarcasm. You mean Fred Goldman, right?

Once the Browns helped OJ "secure" the assets from the Goldman's I think Fred Goldman realized that even though the VERDICT was against OJ there was no type of punishment. He was still getting away with being deceiptful. I believe that voids out the "all he wanted was the verdict" comment.

:punch:

IMO

[weezer]

what i call telling both sides of a issue you call bashing simply because you don't like the facts even when they are tsetimony in a trial. i cannot help you with that problem.

martin II

Telling both sides of a story does not include name calling (tin cup, golddigger). Telling both sides of a story does not include posting unsubstantiated inunendo and outright lies concerning drugs, etc.

Give me one fact from the testimony in the trial that supports your blatant and vicious barrage towards the victims and their families.

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI

Again

The advance payments was for OJ simpson personally, the money projected from the title was for the childrens company LBA.

Oj says he paid his taxes on the house that will go to his kids at some point.

martin II

Martin,

AGAIN

Why would OJ pay himself first??? Why didn't he put that money into the trust? And, why hasn't he paid his taxes? That's no excuse. That's a weasle worried about himself first. Since he knows that the house will go to his kids first I would think he would pay his taxes before anything else.

[martin II]

You keep saying it was LBA and not OJ. But, OJ spent the money. Why wouldn't he leave it in the trust for the kids. So, OJ spent the kids money? That's a good argument you're making :rolleyes:

Money trial? There is no such thing. Please show me in any law book the definition of a money trial. Do you mean a civil trial?

What doesn't support the idea of the money being split equally is the fact that the Browns didn't split up OJ's assets in the beginning. So, I'm not sure why you're bringing that up? Did you read my post regarding the fighting over OJ putting assets "in the trust" although the items were actually still in OJ's house?

Right, it wasn't filed by Galanter. So, why do you keep saying that Galanter kept the Goldman's from money? It wasn't even him.

:rolleyes:


tazzy hi
For 12 years Galanter has protected oj's assets from relentless attack by Fred Goldman. I think that is a good record especially since he has gone against Mr Goldmans BIG law firm.

Galanter has managed to make the correct legal decision and give Oj successful legal advise. no reason for oj to fire him thats for sure.

The contract with HC/ragan books and THE BANKRUPTCY filing was done by the lawyer that works for LBA(the childrens company). He made a savy move when he caused the ruling of that biased judge Goldberg. to be cancelled.jmoo
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Jotun,

Golddigger? Who is that? Oh, that's your sarcasm. You mean Fred Goldman, right?

Once the Browns helped OJ "secure" the assets from the Goldman's I think Fred Goldman realized that even though the VERDICT was against OJ there was no type of punishment. He was still getting away with being deceiptful. I believe that voids out the "all he wanted was the verdict" comment.

:punch:

IMO

tazzy hi
your first line you asked and answered your own question.

Fred Goldman has changed what he calls his motives everytine a different opportunity comes his way. first he wanted a verdict. He got that. Then he did not want the book to see the light of day. Next the book was garbage.
Then he asked a bias judge to auction the book soley for him to get some free money so that the book could be sold to the american public.

obviously the american public now sees that it was always about the money.

now he is asking a judge to SELL him the rights so the book can be published

martin II

[martin II]

Telling both sides of a story does not include name calling (tin cup, golddigger). Telling both sides of a story does not include posting unsubstantiated inunendo and outright lies concerning drugs, etc.

Give me one fact from the testimony in the trial that supports your blatant and vicious barrage towards the victims and their families.

if you want testimnony about drugs and dangerous lifestyle see CORAS AND FAYE'S testimony criminal trial. I have posted this to you before. but you do seem to ignore testimony that you don;t like.

What about Jutons post????? can you post the proof that it was not factual???

martin II

[weezer]

if you want testimnony about drugs and dangerous lifestyle see CORAS AND FAYE'S testimony criminal trial. I have posted this to you before. but you do seem to ignore testimony that you don;t like.

What about Jutons post????? can you post the proof that it was not factual???

martin II

just because you post something does in no way lend any credibility -- There is no criminal trial testimony from Cora or Faye about dangerous lifestyles.

and you think that because juton posts something it is truthful? Give me a break!

you know, everytime you and I have these discussions I come away feeling like I need to wash my hands. How about you and I agree not to post to each other?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
For 12 years Galanter has protected oj's assets from relentless attack by Fred Goldman. I think that is a good record especially since he has gone against Mr Goldmans BIG law firm.

Galanter has managed to make the correct legal decision and give Oj successful legal advise. no reason for oj to fire him thats for sure.

The contract with HC/ragan books and THE BANKRUPTCY filing was done by the lawyer that works for LBA(the childrens company). He made a savy move when he caused the ruling of that biased judge Goldberg. to be cancelled.jmoo
martin II

Here's what Galanter did for OJ....

Yale Galanter's high-profile clients include: O.J. Simpson (road rage incident and libel suit against The Globe)

http://www.galanterlaw.com/attorneys.php

This is his actual website. So, I guess he just takes up for OJ? He doesn't say that he represents him now. He doesn't say that he represents him against the Goldman's or protects his money?

Why do you keep saying that? What makes you believe that?

[weezer]

I found a Newsweek article that I feel may help answer some of the questions regarding why the Goldmans would be willing to have the book published:

"For a long time, you didn’t want to see the book in print.
It was partly that issue about him making money on this book and capitalizing on the murder of Ron and Nicole that caused our disgust with the book initially. In addition to our disgust that he was going to make money, our concern was that this was the book that was going to detail the gory specifics of the murders and become a how-to-murder-two-people book, and we didn’t want that to be the case.

What’s happened in these many weeks is that one, we learned that the killer has already profited from the book to the tune of $780,000 that he had already been paid. And two, [my daughter] Kim and I haven’t read the book, but our attorneys have. They described the book as tantamount to a confession. Our concern about the gory specifics are relieved because those don’t exist in the book. Our original concerns have now changed dramatically, though the whole thing is very touchy and concerning for us."

[martin II]

just because you post something does in no way lend any credibility -- There is no criminal trial testimony from Cora or Faye about dangerous lifestyles.

and you think that because juton posts something it is truthful? Give me a break!

you know, everytime you and I have these discussions I come away feeling like I need to wash my hands. How about you and I agree not to post to each other?

i posted Coras court testimony about nicoles dangerous lifestyle and you
did not like it and called the testimony bashing. even though it was true court testimony.

A few days ago you said you would not post to me and you then continued.
If you feel like you should wash believe me it not because of me. your hands may just be dirty. i guess.
I have different ideas and opinions about the case. If that makes your hands feel dirty then so be it.
MARTIN ii
martin II

[sassylassy]

:rolleyes:

Why do you THINK?

My guess would be that N.G called him to comment on the topic at hand :confused: as did Larry King and others....that would be my guess.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8843730]Glanter has been speaking for OJS for years now QUOTE]

Right. So, then, why wouldn't he know about the book? And, since Galanter has been representing him and going on PR tours for him then why wouldn't he know? And, why would OJ allow him to make such big statements knowing that there truly was a book? Why would Galanter continue to represent him? What's in it for him?

:shrug:


:confused: again asked & answered I have no clue why he wasnt informed of the book, my only guess is that OJS didnt want him to know!

[sassylassy]

All
IMO
I recall:
Fred also had a website.Remember the early pages from this 'sue' thread?
"DON"T PAY OJ.COM' Collected alot of names with calls & e-mails to NewsCorp. Ended it with 'WE WON'!!!
And alot of bragging on tv.

Arnelle,Jason,SYDNEY & JUSTIN's company LBA was set-up to receive MOST of the profits from 'IF I DID IT'
O.J. received the advance of $890,000 including $400,000 for the completed interview. Because of the combined efforts of Denise [with her organized women's groups,which she thanked on LK] and Golddigger's begging on various tv shows. The book & interview were cancelled.So the kids company was BANKRUPT.

Federal Judge Manual Real dismissed Golddigger'suit to get O.J.'s money,told them to take it to Florida,where it belongs.

So they went judge shopping and found State Judge Rosenburg who OVERRODE the FEDERAL Judge and ruled AFTER the defence had gone, that Golddigger could have the proceeds to book-rights OWNED by O.J.'s kids aka LBA in Fla. [Means Sydney & Justin who are owed 38 million also are to pay Fred.] Golddigger was THRILLED.He and or his 3 lawyers were on many tv shows GLOATING.

Golddigger's lawyers set up a new website:http://www.ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com They sent direct mail solications to 1600 literary agents, publishing houses and movies companies and a e-mail address 'OJ TO PAY' for their big sale.

Thought this was one interesting quote from Golddigger's lawyer when Fred's Judge Rosenburg denied a request by Nicole's Estate to receive any proceeds from the auction."We all share the tragedy for the Brown's and they have alot of tears and their tears are our tears." BUT THEY HAVE TO STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD."

O.J.'s kids file for BANKRUPTCY in Miami Fla.
THE SALE IS CANCELLED.

Since Golddigger was twarted by O.J.'S kids.And he couldn't TAKE the book rights to sell for himself. He NOW wants to BUY the rights from LBA [that he threw into bankruptcy]. That will be ___ million. CASH ONLY!!! Hope the kids SUE FRED for the proceeds they would have received from the book. About time someone put a stop to this hypocrite. Wouldn't it be great if he OWED a judgement to the kids.

Golddigger stated in 95 at the money trial ALL he wanted was the VERDICT. So far that's ALL he's got.
Hope it stays that way.

jotun

Thank you -jotun for your very informative post. :read:

[martin II]

When HC offered to pubish the book and split the profits between the Browns and the Goldmans Denise Brown immediately went on tv and denounced the offer for money. The Goldmans did not do the same. However since the Browns said no, HC called the deal off.

Mr Goldman can now offer any kind of excuse he wishes in his attempt to have it both ways. First it was Only wanting a Verdict, Not about money, book is garbage etc. to now being forced to allow all to see it is about him getting this free money. This is his right but he is trying to play both ends against the middle by pretending to be on some high moral mission as he is now openly trying to sell this book to make profit for himself on the death of his only son.
martin II

[martin II]

Thank you -jotun for your very informative post. :read:

sassy hi
I thought jotun's post was informative also as it gave all the past actions up to now in a orderly form. All facts.

martin II

[martin II]

Here's what Galanter did for OJ....

Yale Galanter's high-profile clients include: O.J. Simpson (road rage incident and libel suit against The Globe)

http://www.galanterlaw.com/attorneys.php

This is his actual website. So, I guess he just takes up for OJ? He doesn't say that he represents him now. He doesn't say that he represents him against the Goldman's or protects his money?

Why do you keep saying that? What makes you believe that?


tazzy hi

It is my understanding that Galanter represented oj in the case where Mr Goldman received the rights to take royalties from past oj movies. At least he was on tv talking about the decision. Galanter has represented OJ in Florida in other cases and give him regular legal advise in his business affairs.

Why this attack on Galanter. He is a lawyer and he works for oj. what is wrong with that?

Is Galanter required to list every item of legal assistance to oj on his web site?
martin II

[martin II]

just because you post something does in no way lend any credibility -- There is no criminal trial testimony from Cora or Faye about dangerous lifestyles.

and you think that because juton posts something it is truthful? Give me a break!

you know, everytime you and I have these discussions I come away feeling like I need to wash my hands. How about you and I agree not to post to each other?

what is in juton's post that is not turthful??

martin II

[sassylassy]

Snip----mmm....you don't know about the trust issues???

Baker said in court that ''99 percent'' of what the Goldman lawyers demanded was now kept in a trust that will benefit the two children even though [B]the
All of this was going on from the beginning. So, Simpson has done this to the Goldman's from the beginning. The Brown's helped OJ to do this. I hope that upsets you as bad as the Goldman's not caring about the Brown's feelings. I don't blame either families. I can understand both sides. But, to show disgust at one side when the other side did their own "looking out for their own side" then that's wrong. Of course, this is IMO.

Hi taz

thxs 4 the detailed post.

my concern with Fred Goldman right now is how he can actually "consider" selling the same book that he told us all to BOYCOTT.

I heard everything he said about the book & I'm just shocked that he would have anything to do with it now :eek:

these are just my personal views on the topic! :read:

[sassylassy]

tazzy hi

If i were oj simpson in that situaiton i would put as much of my assets in my childrens trust as i could rather than give it to fred goldman or any other creditor. I think most people would do the same. My children would come first.

martin ii

I know its morally wrong....:o

But I think I would so the samething (take care of my own first)

do we know what items were kept, were they personal family items & stuff?
(just wondering)
:seeya:

[sassylassy]

Me too!! And, why would he get his money first and SPEND IT instead of putting it in a trust for the kids????? Selfish.


who said he spent it?

for all we know it could be in a "off shore" account :shrug:

[sassylassy]

Telling both sides of a story does not include name calling (tin cup, golddigger). .

Not for nothing....But Martin has stopped using the term "tin cup" ...

just incase no one noticed!

[martin II]

I know its morally wrong....:o

But I think I would so the samething (take care of my own first)

do we know what items were kept, were they personal family items & stuff?
(just wondering)
:seeya:

sassy hi
someone got $250,000 from the sale of the Heisman Trophy. There was some art work that was sold, some expensive lamps, his golf clubs and i guess some jewelry. Maby the Bently is in Florida.

Mr Goldman tried to take the Grand piano oj had baught for his mother some time ago and also tried to take his mothers condo Oj had baught for her that she lived in. They failed.

I guess he kept the furniture.

Deciding whether to put items in a trust for the kids or give it to MR Goldman was a no brainer. imo If Mr Goldman had been in OJ'S place he may have done the same.

i assume that by the time the civil trial ended the money had taken wings.

martin II

[martin II]

who said he spent it?

for all we know it could be in a "off shore" account :shrug:

If true, caymen islands would work perfectly.just like thousand of other u.s. citizens.
"ENRON" comes to mind.
martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
someone got $250,000 from the sale of the Heisman Trophy. There was some art work that was sold, some expensive lamps, his golf clubs and i guess some jewelry. Maby the Bently is in Florida.

Mr Goldman tried to take the Grand piano oj had baught for his mother some time ago and also tried to take his mothers condo Oj had baught for her that she lived in. They failed.

I guess he kept the furniture.

Deciding whether to put items in a trust for the kids or give it to MR Goldman was a no brainer. imo If Mr Goldman had been in OJ'S place he may have done the same.

i assume that by the time the civil trial ended the money had taken wings.

martin II


so then I assume it was all money that was put into the trust for the kids? not for nothing, I'm just curious what they kept from the Goldmans)

thxs again 4 the info......:read:

[martin II]

so then I assume it was all money that was put into the trust for the kids? not for nothing, I'm just curious what they kept from the Goldmans)

thxs again 4 the info......:read:


sassy
hi

i am not sure what was left. I think OJ had sold his interest in the Honey Ham
franchises he owned during the criminal trial and maby cashed in what stocks he may have had since he knew there was a good chance he would be railroaded in the comming civil trial. The only items that may have been left was small things of little value in the house such as the washing machine.

I don't know what Mr Fred Goldman received.
But maby another poster can tell us what was kept from the Goldmans.
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8843730]

<snipped>

Why would Galanter continue to represent him? What's in it for him?

:shrug:

Uh, Galanter continues to represent OJ because of the publicity and he also continues to represent him "Pro-Bono" because OJ is surely NOT paying him!

Do I get the $200 and can I pass GO? LOL! :tongue:

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

who said he spent it?

for all we know it could be in a "off shore" account :shrug:

Orenthal himself said he spent it. You're not calling him a liar are you? :tongue:

[martin II]

sassy hi

Since honey baked ham came up. here is something i found about Petrocelli and OJ.

"Simpson's attorneys say Daniel Petrocelli, the attorney representing the family of murder victim Ronald Goldman, should be disqualified because his law firm once represented Simpson in negotiations to sell six Honeybaked Ham franchises. Simpson is a partner in the company that owns the stores."

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

and I think there are rules against the bashing and demeaning disrespect you continue to exhibit toward the victims and their families.

Then report him to Freshwater! It is very easy now. In the upper righthand corner you see a little icon; click on it; post your reason for reporting his post and hit "Submit Message!" There you go! It's that easy. He even does it all of the time! All IMO!

[2L8 4A D8]

just because you post something does in no way lend any credibility -- There is no criminal trial testimony from Cora or Faye about dangerous lifestyles.

and you think that because juton posts something it is truthful? Give me a break!

you know, everytime you and I have these discussions I come away feeling like I need to wash my hands. How about you and I agree not to post to each other?

I thought that you had decided NOT to post to him anymore weeks ago? I guess I was wrong. Sure hope that this time you stick to your guns! The less people post to him, the less we all have to see posts from the him! All IMO!

[weezer]

I thought that you had decided NOT to post to him anymore weeks ago? I guess I was wrong. Sure hope that this time you stick to your guns! The less people post to him, the less we all have to see posts from the him! All IMO!

LOL -- I know, I know. It's just so hard to see him post his hateful and dishonest stuff about the victims and families. I do think I've learned my lesson this time though.

[weezer]

bobaugust, have you found anything on the details of the book contract between News Corp, orenthal and LBA?

[martin II]

JOTUN

Here is a little info on the contract between HC and a third party that owned the rights to the book.

It now seems that oj did not sign the contract with HC If this is correct.
A third party did

"No one at the company would discuss on the record the exact details about how the project had been accepted in the first place. But one News Corporation executive who was involved in the negotiations about the book and the television special said that Mr. Murdoch had been aware of both deals before they were announced publicly last week."

"The executive said in a telephone interview that payments to representatives for Mr. Simpson would probably still have to be made for his participation in the book and the television interviews."

"Standard publishing contracts call for a percentage of an author’s advance, usually up to 50 percent, to be paid when a contract is signed, and for the remainder to be paid when the finished book is accepted by the publisher. The executive said that Mr. Simpson’s book is covered by a standard publishing contract."

"In an interview last week, Judith Regan, the publisher, said her imprint, ReganBooks, which is owned by HarperCollins, had signed a contract with “a manager who represents a third party” who owned the rights to Mr. Simpson’s account."

"Because News Corporation and ReganBooks decided on their own to cancel the book and the television special, that money is likely to still have to be paid."

A spokesman said Ms. Regan declined to comment today on the book’s withdrawal.

Erin Crum, a spokeswoman for HarperCollins, said today that some copies of the books have already been shipped to stores. Those books will be recalled and destroyed, she said.

Last Friday, Borders announced that it would donate the net proceeds from sales of Mr. Simpson’s book to a nonprofit organization for victims of domestic violence

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Since honey baked ham came up.

When did honey baked ham come up? What is the significance of what you've posted about Petrocelli? There is none!

btw: "maby" you should reference what article you are quoting when you post. I think it's a violation of the TOS to fail to do so :no:

[martin II]

I don't think either family wants to see the book published -- most especially by the murderer. moo of course.

Mr Fred Goldman by his current court actions and his advertising program has made it quite clear that he wants the book published and sold to the American public. Otherwise he gets no money .That is quite clear.

martin II

[William Anthony]

You're funny, and ridiculous both at the same time.

Just because Galanter was obviously put in his place and sounded like a fumbling idiot isn't Nancy's problem.


I do feel sorry for what happened fo Nancy's fiancee and understand her bitterness. I feel that she, like so many, have forgotten that the defendant in a civil case most often does no need to prove anything. The burden of proof remains on the plaintiff. I do not feel that contrite remarks add anything of substantive value to a conversation on legal matters. I offered the caveat more to Nancy's demeanor and statments in general than to any specific temarkl she made in your quote. I see nothing funny or ridiculous about warning someone of their unnecesarr, rude and crass behavior.

[William Anthony]

I do feel sorry for what happened fo Nancy's fiancee and understand her bitterness. I feel that she, like so many, have forgotten that the defendant in a civil case most often does no need to prove anything. The burden of proof remains on the plaintiff. I do not feel that contrite remarks add anything of substantive value to a conversation on legal matters. I offered the caveat more to Nancy's demeanor and statments in general than to any specific temarkl she made in your quote. I see nothing funny or ridiculous about warning someone of their unnecesarr, rude and crass behavior.

At the risk of offending some poster, I posted to myself because I did not have my glasses at the time I posted the above. the words "fo", "temarkl", and "unnecesarr" should be to, remark and unnecessary.

[martin II]

I do feel sorry for what happened fo Nancy's fiancee and understand her bitterness. I feel that she, like so many, have forgotten that the defendant in a civil case most often does no need to prove anything. The burden of proof remains on the plaintiff. I do not feel that contrite remarks add anything of substantive value to a conversation on legal matters. I offered the caveat more to Nancy's demeanor and statments in general than to any specific temarkl she made in your quote. I see nothing funny or ridiculous about warning someone of their unnecesarr, rude and crass behavior.

william

Thanks for your civility in the face of what i consider to be a rude and uncalled for comment directed to you.:beer:
Martin II

[William Anthony]

william

Thanks for your civility in the face of what i consider to be a rude and uncalled for comment directed to you.:beer:
Martin II

Thank you, Martin. Some may always attack logic with rude and unprovoked comments. As always, you display the highest degree of being a gentleman.

[martin II]

I do feel sorry for what happened fo Nancy's fiancee and understand her bitterness. I feel that she, like so many, have forgotten that the defendant in a civil case most often does no need to prove anything. The burden of proof remains on the plaintiff. I do not feel that contrite remarks add anything of substantive value to a conversation on legal matters. I offered the caveat more to Nancy's demeanor and statments in general than to any specific temarkl she made in your quote. I see nothing funny or ridiculous about warning someone of their unnecesarr, rude and crass behavior.


I am with the people that believe that N Grace's problem is N Grace.

martin II

[William Anthony]

I am with the people that believe that N Grace's problem is N Grace.

martin II

Martin,

I tend to agree but her rhetoric seems to effect much of America, who may be predisposed to believe her.

[martin II]

Martin,

I tend to agree but her rhetoric seems to effect much of America, who may be predisposed to believe her.

william
I have heard that that is one of the major problems with cable and may eventually cause it's downfall, anything goes as the professional standards are lower and most anyone can get a show.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Regan talking about how she was attacked for doing the oj book/interview.

"In the past few days, since the announcement of the forthcoming book and televised interview "If I Did It," it has been strange watching the media spin the story. They have all but called for my death for publishing his book and for interviewing him. A death, I might add, not called for when Katie Couric interviewed him; not called for when Barbara Walters had an exclusive with the Menendez brothers, who killed their parents in cold blood, nor when she conducted her celebrated interviews with dictators Fidel Castro or Muammar al-Gaddafi; not called for when "60 Minutes" interviewed Timothy McVeigh who murdered hundreds in Oklahoma City, not called for when the U.S. government released tapes of Osama bin Laden; not called for when Geraldo Rivera interviewed his dozens of murderers, miscreants and deviants."

[William Anthony]

Regan talking about how she was attacked for doing the oj book/interview.

"In the past few days, since the announcement of the forthcoming book and televised interview "If I Did It," it has been strange watching the media spin the story. They have all but called for my death for publishing his book and for interviewing him. A death, I might add, not called for when Katie Couric interviewed him; not called for when Barbara Walters had an exclusive with the Menendez brothers, who killed their parents in cold blood, nor when she conducted her celebrated interviews with dictators Fidel Castro or Muammar al-Gaddafi; not called for when "60 Minutes" interviewed Timothy McVeigh who murdered hundreds in Oklahoma City, not called for when the U.S. government released tapes of Osama bin Laden; not called for when Geraldo Rivera interviewed his dozens of murderers, miscreants and deviants."

America speaks.

[martin II]

America speaks.


william
Judth Regan seems angry at the obvious bias by the american public since she interviewed OJ SIMPSON.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Orenthal himself said he spent it. You're not calling him a liar are you? :tongue:

umm more OJ said..:tongue: (LOL)

actually ...I dont believe that he spent it all, but thats just moo......

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

Since honey baked ham came up. here is something i found about Petrocelli and OJ.

"Simpson's attorneys say Daniel Petrocelli, the attorney representing the family of murder victim Ronald Goldman, should be disqualified because his law firm once represented Simpson in negotiations to sell six Honeybaked Ham franchises. Simpson is a partner in the company that owns the stores."

martin II

Six degrees of separation!
;)

[sassylassy]

No, now he's jumped on the bandwagon with Jotun by calling him "Golddigger" which I am sure is also OK with you too, as I have NEVER seen a post from you to one of your buddies where you have disagreed with anything that they have said or done! Wow! All IMO!

First off if I dont like what someone is saying, I simply ignore that post & move on (like what I do with all your posts);)

if Martin feels that Fred Goldman is a "Golddigger" that is his right, I dont feel the need to dictate what he should or should not feel!:read:

Martin agreed not to use the term "tin cup" anymore as some posters found it offensive & hasnt used the term, but I have already heard it twice now & not from him!:no:

[sassylassy]

sassy
hi

i am not sure what was left. I think OJ had sold his interest in the Honey Ham
franchises he owned during the criminal trial and maby cashed in what stocks he may have had since he knew there was a good chance he would be railroaded in the comming civil trial. The only items that may have been left was small things of little value in the house such as the washing machine.

I don't know what Mr Fred Goldman received.
But maby another poster can tell us what was kept from the Goldmans.
martin II

umm any idea of the net worth he recieved from selling his shares with Honey Ham? I'm wondering how much money he was able "hide" in the trust..?

I think OJS net worth just prior to the crimes was 2 million & atleast 1 million was spent on lawyer fees......

[sassylassy]

When did honey baked ham come up? What is the significance of what you've posted about Petrocelli? There is none!

btw: "maby" you should reference what article you are quoting when you post. I think it's a violation of the TOS to fail to do so


Honey Ham came up on post number 4,719 :o :read:
where we are discussing money & items that OJS "hide" from Fred Goldman.

[sassylassy]

___SNIP_____Regan talking about how she was attacked for doing the oj book/interview.



I think one reason why Regan got so much heat was becuz ppl thought she was pro-OJ, Thats the impression I had when this all first came out,
but later on I was shocked to learn her abuse story & her reasons for writting the book. :read:

[sassylassy]

Honey Ham came up on post number #2139 :o :read:
where we are discussing money & items that OJS "hide" from Fred Goldman.

Correction in red

[2L8 4A D8]

Mr Fred Goldman by his current court actions and his advertising program has made it quite clear that he wants the book published and sold to the American public. Otherwise he gets no money .That is quite clear.

martin II

And that is quite fine! As long as OJ doesn't get anymore money that he WON'T give in Trust to his kids! If I have to buy the book in order for Fred to get some money, then I will do it. And as I stated, I will then burn it or use it to line my cat's litter box! I support anything and everything that Fred Goldman does or tries to do in order to get what is rightfully and legally his ~ payment of his share of the Civil Court Judgement! :punch:

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

Sassy,

Judith Regan got heat because after the "book" and after the interview, there was still no information----in other words, OJ Simpson said nothing to that would help "the cause".

Also, her reasons for doing the interview, just didn't ring true to most people, it rang of money and nothing else.

While the public has been given "credit" for stopping the book, IMO, they had nothing to do with it, Simpson never used anything they could use against him. IMO.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
While the public has been given "credit" for stopping the book, IMO, they had nothing to do with it.

Of course they did. To think otherwise is just conjecture on your part, without anything to back it up.

[martin II]

umm any idea of the net worth he recieved from selling his shares with Honey Ham? I'm wondering how much money he was able "hide" in the trust..?

I think OJS net worth just prior to the crimes was 2 million & atleast 1 million was spent on lawyer fees......

sassy hi

Oj had 50% interest in 6-8 Honey Baked Ham stores and he owned "Tropical juice" and a few other investments. His insurance policy of about $1,500,000
paid for some of the lawyer fees. I don;t know what stocks or bonds he had.
I will try to find the site i was on last evening but if i took a guess the amount he took away could be between $2,000,000 and $4,000,000.
Remember he had built a fortune of $10,000,000.

martin II

[martin II]

Sassy,

Judith Regan got heat because after the "book" and after the interview, there was still no information----in other words, OJ Simpson said nothing to that would help "the cause".

Also, her reasons for doing the interview, just didn't ring true to most people, it rang of money and nothing else.

While the public has been given "credit" for stopping the book, IMO, they had nothing to do with it, Simpson never used anything they could use against him. IMO.

Limakey
hi

I am Pleased to see you posting
martin II

[martin II]

sassy hi
i found this about oj's expenses.

Divorce petition outlines O.J. Simpson's spending
Jet, July 18, 1994


The divorce petition of O.J. Simpson and then wife Nicole Brown Simpson indicated that the football legend had annual expenses of $669,000, gave his ex-wife an expensive San Francisco condo and paid $10,000 monthly in child support.

The petition listed Simpson's salary from NBC at $700,000. He also owned 50 percent in eight Honey Baked Ham stores and two chicken franchises that he lost during the 1992 L.A. riots. Simpson also bought a condo in Oakland where his brother lived and also paid $1,100 monthly for the support of his mother.

Because his expenses were so high, Simpson didn't want support based solely on his salary. The debt also included maintenance of his New York condo, a Laguna Beach, CA, condo and $36,000 annually for his eldest daughter, Arnelle's, college education.

Even though they were separated, Simpson continued paying the $7,000 annual insurance on Mrs. Simpson's Ferrari sports car and her $2,200 health club membership.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n11_v86/ai_15597510

[martin II]

sassy hi
i found this about oj's expenses.

Divorce petition outlines O.J. Simpson's spending
Jet, July 18, 1994


The divorce petition of O.J. Simpson and then wife Nicole Brown Simpson indicated that the football legend had annual expenses of $669,000, gave his ex-wife an expensive San Francisco condo and paid $10,000 monthly in child support.

The petition listed Simpson's salary from NBC at $700,000. He also owned 50 percent in eight Honey Baked Ham stores and two chicken franchises that he lost during the 1992 L.A. riots. Simpson also bought a condo in Oakland where his brother lived and also paid $1,100 monthly for the support of his mother.

Because his expenses were so high, Simpson didn't want support based solely on his salary. The debt also included maintenance of his New York condo, a Laguna Beach, CA, condo and $36,000 annually for his eldest daughter, Arnelle's, college education.

Even though they were separated, Simpson continued paying the $7,000 annual insurance on Mrs. Simpson's Ferrari sports car and her $2,200 health club membership.

ps this article did not mention the about $400,000 cash settlement to nicole.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n11_v86/ai_15597510

[martin II]

Sassy,

Judith Regan got heat because after the "book" and after the interview, there was still no information----in other words, OJ Simpson said nothing to that would help "the cause".

Also, her reasons for doing the interview, just didn't ring true to most people, it rang of money and nothing else.

While the public has been given "credit" for stopping the book, IMO, they had nothing to do with it, Simpson never used anything they could use against him. IMO.

limakey hi

When FOX , HC , Regan first decided to do this book deal, they knew there would be some complaints from some people. Mr Goldman, Th Browns.
They went forward anyway because for them it was about making money.It was simply the same for OJ.

Regans statement was strange considering her involvement with Bernard Kerik in New york before she moved to CA.
martin II

[martin II]

all.
post 2176 posted twice. I did not notice until it was too late to delete.

sorry
martin II

[martin II]

I found a Newsweek article that I feel may help answer some of the questions regarding why the Goldmans would be willing to have the book published:

"For a long time, you didn’t want to see the book in print.
It was partly that issue about him making money on this book and capitalizing on the murder of Ron and Nicole that caused our disgust with the book initially. In addition to our disgust that he was going to make money, our concern was that this was the book that was going to detail the gory specifics of the murders and become a how-to-murder-two-people book, and we didn’t want that to be the case.

What’s happened in these many weeks is that one, we learned that the killer has already profited from the book to the tune of $780,000 that he had already been paid. And two, [my daughter] Kim and I haven’t read the book, but our attorneys have. They described the book as tantamount to a confession. Our concern about the gory specifics are relieved because those don’t exist in the book. Our original concerns have now changed dramatically, though the whole thing is very touchy and concerning for us."

all

This post indicates that Mr Goldman wanted money from HC or OJ. It did not matter from who as long as it was money.

The other issue here is how Mr Goldman believe that he HAD A RIGHT to DEMAND the book rights that was paid for and owned by HC,Fox and REGAN BOOKS.

Fred Goldman, Ron's father, filed a lawsuit last week against both Simpson and Lorraine Brooke Associates, described by Goldman's lawyer as a "sham entity" formed to funnel the book's proceeds to the ex-football star. Goldman hopes not only to retrieve the $880,000 he says News Corp. paid Simpson as an advance, but he also wants Murdoch's company to give him all rights to If I Did It — print, audio and other peripheral sources of income from the project. "There was originally an indication they might be open to such an idea [turning all profits over to the victims' families]," says Goldman. "If they want to be through with this, they should have no problem turning over those rights to us." Adds Goldman's attorney, Jonathan Polak, "We're seeking to unwind all the transactions, including the transfer of the intellectual property." And so, alas, we will have to expect new chapters in the history of the crime of the last century.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1573174,00.html

[martin II]

LOL -- I know, I know. It's just so hard to see him post his hateful and dishonest stuff about the victims and families. I do think I've learned my lesson this time though.

i am surprised by your post as i have always thought that you always did your own thinking and decision making.:)
martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
i found this about oj's expenses.

Divorce petition outlines O.J. Simpson's spending
Jet, July 18, 1994


The divorce petition of O.J. Simpson and then wife Nicole Brown Simpson indicated that the football legend had annual expenses of $669,000, gave his ex-wife an expensive San Francisco condo and paid $10,000 monthly in child support.

The petition listed Simpson's salary from NBC at $700,000. He also owned 50 percent in eight Honey Baked Ham stores and two chicken franchises that he lost during the 1992 L.A. riots. Simpson also bought a condo in Oakland where his brother lived and also paid $1,100 monthly for the support of his mother.

Because his expenses were so high, Simpson didn't want support based solely on his salary. The debt also included maintenance of his New York condo, a Laguna Beach, CA, condo and $36,000 annually for his eldest daughter, Arnelle's, college education.

Even though they were separated, Simpson continued paying the $7,000 annual insurance on Mrs. Simpson's Ferrari sports car and her $2,200 health club membership.

ps this article did not mention the about $400,000 cash settlement to nicole.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n11_v86/ai_15597510


Thanks martin for some great details....:beer:

[martin II]

sassy hi
here is the balance of the details.

According to the petition, Mrs. Simpson had a housekeeper on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and another woman who came from Friday afternoon through Sunday so that "she could have Saturday off from the children as well as her evenings."

The housekeeper, according to the file, drove the kids to school and picked them up. Mrs. Simpson also claimed that she generally hired a babysitter two to three times a week. At the time of the divorce, daughter Sydney was six and son Justin was four. She said she did not want to work until her son was in school full time.

She also said: "...I haven't worked and I'm not sure what kind of work I can do." The condo Simpson gave her during the marriage was valued at $525,000. She collected about $2,800 per month in rent on it. She also had property in Orange County, just south of L.A.

His attorney, Jerome Goldberg, claimed "she has a substantial amount of time to engage in any gainful employment to supplement her income."

Her income was listed at $30,000 and she called it |minimal.' Goldberg said in court papers that Mrs. Simpson could easily supplement her income "with a little effort on her part. She (the petitioner) simply |chooses not to work.'" He also said her expenses were tremendously exaggerated.

Among the expenses she wanted Simpson to pay was $4,000 a month in uninsured medical and dental expenses. She claimed that most of the money went to therapist Susan Forward, who after the murders divulged her sessions to the press. Mrs. Simpson later admitted that she only saw Ms. Forward twice and didn't have any further sessions scheduled. Their divorce was granted July 2, 1992.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n11_v86/ai_15597510

[socaldiva]

*snip*
According to the petition, Mrs. Simpson had a housekeeper on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and another woman who came from Friday afternoon through Sunday so that "she could have Saturday off from the children as well as her evenings."


More attempts to trash Nicole. No surprise there. How many days/evenings did Orenthal take off from parenting?? Why don't you post those stats???

[weezer]

More attempts to trash Nicole. No surprise there. How many days/evenings did Orenthal take off from parenting?? Why don't you post those stats???

orenthal had a live in maid and was still an absentee parent.

[martin II]

orenthal had a live in maid and was still an absentee parent.

weezer

Just the facts of the divoice petition court testimony.

Oranthal had a lot of people depending on him for financial support. If this
court document is correct he was the only one working so i guess he did miss some 5pm family dinners.
jmoo

martin II

[weezer]

seems he managed to show up in time to use Nicole for his own personal punching bag though. . .

[martin II]

seems he managed to show up in time to use Nicole for his own personal punching bag though. . .


1998

A minimum of 2 children and 4 adults depended on OJ for their total financial support and based on their lifestyles he did a good job.
Between the housekeepers that cleaned and took care the kids school transport, weekend person and the three baby sitters Nicole seemed to have had a lot of free time on her hands.jmoo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
A minimum of 2 children and 4 adults depended on OJ for their total financial support and based on their lifestyles he did a good job.


Yeah, he did a good job of bringing in money. Unfortunately, he cheated on his family, was verbally & physically abusive. Then he slaughtered the mother of his children. A real catch :rolleyes:

[2L8 4A D8]

Of course they did. To think otherwise is just conjecture on your part, without anything to back it up.

"Without anything to back it up," as usual! :rolleyes:

IMO!

[jotun]

jotun
i am wondering where is Mr Goldman getting all these millions of dollars from for the case and to buy the book rights he claims he want to purchase.
martin II

Martin,
Think Mr. Golddigger can use his owed 38 million judgement as credit.Yale said on tv awhile back that would be his bet.Then try to make a deal with Harper Collins to sell it.

As for the case, his lawyers are FREE just for the O.J. SPOTLIGHT. They do bask in it, just as old Fred does.

jotun

[socaldiva]

NOT SELFISH.
Because Golddigger would go after what's in the kids trust now. [look at the suit that sassy posted on this thread from the smoking gun] Which he did,just as,you posted,that he did in 97.

jotun

I think you are WRONG. Fred Goldman can not "go after what's in the kids trust now". imo

OJ spent the money rather than put it in trust & you are attempting to justify that?

[jotun]

Hi Jotun,

Golddigger? Who is that? Oh, that's your sarcasm. You mean Fred Goldman, right?

Once the Browns helped OJ "secure" the assets from the Goldman's I think Fred Goldman realized that even though the VERDICT was against OJ there was no type of punishment. He was still getting away with being deceiptful. I believe that voids out the "all he wanted was the verdict" comment.

:punch:

IMO

Yes,Fred Golddigger.
Doesn't void it at all.
He knew when he filed his money suit it was for MONEY.That's what all "civil suits" are for money.
But he was sure O.J.would be convicted and he could get a summary judgement. That's WHY they were crying so hard IMO.So they now knew they had to fight for that O.J. MONEY.I remember a small black woman said after the liable verdict "I don't think they are SMART enough to get O.J.'S MONEY"...
10 years and many free lawyers later Golddigger is still without his O.J. LOTTO.

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Yes,Fred Golddigger.
10 years and many free lawyers later Golddigger is still without his O.J. LOTTO.


What a PATHETIC post :cuss:

[martin II]

Yes,Fred Golddigger.
Doesn't void it at all.
He knew when he filed his money suit it was for MONEY.That's what all "civil suits" are for money.
But he was sure O.J.would be convicted and he could get a summary judgement. That's WHY they were crying so hard IMO.So they now knew they had to fight for that O.J. MONEY.I remember a small black woman said after the liable verdict "I don't think they are SMART enough to get O.J.'S MONEY"...
10 years and many free lawyers later Golddigger is still without his O.J. LOTTO.

jotun

jotun
I read that the CA legislature passed a special new law to allow the domestic hotline lady to testify in the civil trial to show oj abused nicole.
martin II

[martin II]

Yes,Fred Golddigger.
Doesn't void it at all.
He knew when he filed his money suit it was for MONEY.That's what all "civil suits" are for money.
But he was sure O.J.would be convicted and he could get a summary judgement. That's WHY they were crying so hard IMO.So they now knew they had to fight for that O.J. MONEY.I remember a small black woman said after the liable verdict "I don't think they are SMART enough to get O.J.'S MONEY"...
10 years and many free lawyers later Golddigger is still without his O.J. LOTTO.

jotun


jotun

This is a opinion on fred and the money

Posted By: Hier Being (3/20/2007 at 2:00:23 PM)

"Comment: I think that they should get the money from the book but the only way I'm buying into them receiving money as a way to "honor" the deaths of their son and Nicole and to punish OJ in some form is if they imediatly turn around and donate ALL of the money to some form of charity that has to do with the protection of children. If they keep the money to uplift their own lives then it's only obvious that it was about the $ all along and had nothing to do with honoring their loved ones. Personallly I'm on the fence when it comes to collecting money from a killer. I think perhaps the Goldman's time would be better spent fighting to overturn the Double Jeapordy rule in this country. That way maybe they could get the true justice they deserve and not just a bigger house, a nicer car, and a lift up in the social class system we have going in this country."

[tazzybaby]

Yes,Fred Golddigger.
Doesn't void it at all.
He knew when he filed his money suit it was for MONEY.That's what all "civil suits" are for money.
But he was sure O.J.would be convicted and he could get a summary judgement. That's WHY they were crying so hard IMO.So they now knew they had to fight for that O.J. MONEY.I remember a small black woman said after the liable verdict "I don't think they are SMART enough to get O.J.'S MONEY"...
10 years and many free lawyers later Golddigger is still without his O.J. LOTTO.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

You're so right. OJ has managed to avoid paying his debt. He has had to lie, hide and sneak around with his money. He is really good at that. Am I impressed? No. It makes me think worse of him. For some reason some people here and at your posting home think that it's a good thing. Whether you like Fred GOLDMAN or not, OJ was ordered to pay that. Fred Goldman seems to feel like OJ just keeps getting away with any and everything he does. When he does get "caught", nothing happens. Why does this make you and others happy? You think that Fred should just let it go. Why? Really, why should he when OJ continues to hide, lie and sneak? If OJ continues on then why shouldn't Goldman? If OJ dare write a book about the murders and profit, then why shouldn't they punish him however they can?

Fred Goldman's last hope at getting justice was to take him to a civil court. He was awarded punitive damages. That means punishment. And, I think it has done what it was meant to do. OJ has to lie about, sneak and hide his money. OJ says that he doesn't care. But, obviously he does. He doesn't want to pay them so bad that he will lie, hide and sneak. The Goldman's are doing their part all out in the open.

[tazzybaby]

Here's some of the Goldman's views....

Fred Goldman says, "I could never, ever have imagined that, after the volumes of evidence and nine months of trial … that when all was said and done, any jury could possibly have ever come to any verdict other than guilty. Needless to say, I was wrong."

Kim Goldman Hahn says she is angry Simpson receives publicity.

"It seems like every couple of months he pops up again," says Goldman Hahn. "You know, when his ego needs a little boosting or something."


I could never imagine what exactly it would feel like to have my child's murderer continue to talk about, make money off of and joke about my child's murder. I would hate him to the core. I am not suprised that they can't let it go. It seems to be in their face every few months.

[tazzybaby]

This also helps to understand how the Goldman's feel...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5190358/

[martin II]

Here's some of the Goldman's views....

Fred Goldman says, "I could never, ever have imagined that, after the volumes of evidence and nine months of trial … that when all was said and done, any jury could possibly have ever come to any verdict other than guilty. Needless to say, I was wrong."

Kim Goldman Hahn says she is angry Simpson receives publicity.

"It seems like every couple of months he pops up again," says Goldman Hahn. "You know, when his ego needs a little boosting or something."


I could never imagine what exactly it would feel like to have my child's murderer continue to talk about, make money off of and joke about my child's murder. I would hate him to the core. I am not suprised that they can't let it go. It seems to be in their face every few months.

tazzy hi



Although fred lost a son and kim a brother they do not get to dictate what Oj Simpson can and cannot do. They don't get to preven him from making his thoughts and opinions known through the media.

It seems that FRED has been on LKL more than oj has in all of his interviews.
so it is fred that has kept this issue in the active media.It is not necessary that fred go on tv everytime he gets a new idea or files a new court action unless he sees it as a way to continue to fish for public sympathy by saying it is not about money.

Oj is never on tv unless he is asked by the stration
MARTIN ii

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi



*snip*

Oj is never on tv unless he is asked by the stration
MARTIN ii

LOL! No one WANTS him on TV. If they did, he'd be there every day.

[tazzybaby]

Here's a good view point.....

Fred Goldman is the pig?
This just in from O.J. Simpson's longtime attorney, Yale Galanter:

"The fact that [Fred] Goldman has shown his true colors and shown the world what a greedy pig he is seems to shock everyone but me,'' Galanter told ABC News. "Am I the only sane person in this mess? This is a complete turnaround."

Uh, Mr. Galanter ...

You are representing a man who wrote a book in which he details how he might have killed two people -- REAL people who were REALLY murdered. Your role seems like a strange one to combine with morality judge.

The moral high ground you're standing on is just a fire-ant hill.

[martin II]

LOL! No one WANTS him on TV. If they did, he'd be there every day.

Everyone wants to be on tv. It is a way to make money.
Fred is not the only American that lost a family member by murder. Think of all the little children that have been raped and mudrdered and their parents have found a way to move on with their lives. What about the women that have been raped and kiled. they had parents also. But they are not on tv every month begging for public suppport to get free money. The differance imo is that they have found a healthy way to live and have not allowed events to handcuff their entire lives.
Believe me fred just LOVES the spotlight.


martin II

[martin II]

Here's a good view point.....

Fred Goldman is the pig?
This just in from O.J. Simpson's longtime attorney, Yale Galanter:

"The fact that [Fred] Goldman has shown his true colors and shown the world what a greedy pig he is seems to shock everyone but me,'' Galanter told ABC News. "Am I the only sane person in this mess? This is a complete turnaround."

Uh, Mr. Galanter ...

You are representing a man who wrote a book in which he details how he might have killed two people -- REAL people who were REALLY murdered. Your role seems like a strange one to combine with morality judge.

The moral high ground you're standing on is just a fire-ant hill.

tazzy hi

The fact that Petrocelli's law firm worked for OJ Simpson in the Honey Baked Ham franchjise sale duing the criminal trial should tell you it is in some way all a game. lawyers work for clients for money. Our maker may be the best judge of the moral high or low ground.

Everyone is entitled to legal defense including oj. From your post you seem to fault Galanter because he represents OJ Simpson. Are you of the opinion that
no lawyer should represent OJ Simpson in order to evade your condemnation?
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Everyone wants to be on tv. It is a way to make money.
Fred is not the only American that lost a family member by murder. Think of all the little children that have been raped and mudrdered and their parents have found a way to move on with their lives. What about the women that have been raped and kiled. they had parents also. But they are not on tv every month begging for public suppport to get free money. The differance imo is that they have found a healthy way to live and have not allowed events to handcuff their entire lives.
Believe me fred just LOVES the spotlight.


martin II


Are they on TV? Are they selling books about the murder to make money off of it?

Totally different.

:rolleyes:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

The fact that Petrocelli's law firm worked for OJ Simpson in the Honey Baked Ham franchjise sale duing the criminal trial should tell you it is in some way all a game. lawyers work for clients for money. Our maker may be the best judge of the moral high or low ground.

Everyone is entitled to legal defense including oj. From your post you seem to fault Galanter because he represents OJ Simpson. Are you of the opinion that
no lawyer should represent OJ Simpson in order to evade your condemnation?
martin II

They knew about that and ok'd it. Why do you keep bringing it up? OJ ok'd it.
:shrug:

I don't like Galanter because he doesn't know what he's talking about, I don't trust him and he takes up for someone who does things illegally. I wish no one would represent Simpson.

[martin II]

Are they on TV? Are they selling books about the murder to make money off of it?

Totally different.

:rolleyes:


tazzy hi

Here is a quote from a article

"The reversal of positions has caused more than a few jaws to drop — in the blogosphere and elsewhere."

"So, it's OK to exploit their son's memory as long as they are the ones doing it?" read one post from Raven_One on Livejournal.com blog. "This is sick, sick, sick,''
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fred is no different than the many other parents that have lost children by murder or some kind or reckless accident by a drunk driver. They hurt just as he says he does but they have decided not to make money off the the death of their child. The cover has been pulled off of Fred and the public now knows it was ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY FOR HIM.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

They knew about that and ok'd it. Why do you keep bringing it up? OJ ok'd it.
:shrug:

I don't like Galanter because he doesn't know what he's talking about, I don't trust him and he takes up for someone who does things illegally. I wish no one would represent Simpson.

TAZZY HI
Then you dissagree with the u.s. constitution. Because you think oj commited murder no one should work for him? i don't believe you believe that.
martin II

[martin II]

They knew about that and ok'd it. Why do you keep bringing it up? OJ ok'd it.
:shrug:

I don't like Galanter because he doesn't know what he's talking about, I don't trust him and he takes up for someone who does things illegally. I wish no one would represent Simpson.

The civil trial defense tried to get petrocelli off the case because of this but the judge refused.
martion II

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI
Then you dissagree with the u.s. constitution. Because you think oj commited murder no one should work for him? i don't believe you believe that.
martin II

I didn't say I disagree with the Constitution. I said, I wish no one would represent him.

[Kate Sachel]

Here's some of the Goldman's views....

Fred Goldman says, "I could never, ever have imagined that, after the volumes of evidence and nine months of trial … that when all was said and done, any jury could possibly have ever come to any verdict other than guilty. Needless to say, I was wrong."

Kim Goldman Hahn says she is angry Simpson receives publicity.

"It seems like every couple of months he pops up again," says Goldman Hahn. "You know, when his ego needs a little boosting or something."


I could never imagine what exactly it would feel like to have my child's murderer continue to talk about, make money off of and joke about my child's murder. I would hate him to the core. I am not suprised that they can't let it go. It seems to be in their face every few months.

I think that people tend to forget that this is personal, and with that comes no black and white manual that outlines exactly how or when an individual is to "move on" or "let go" of the murder of a loved one.

Denise Brown has not let go either. She has only chosen a different path to put her fight into. She believes that Nicole's death is a result of domestic violence and as such has dedicated her life to that issue.

Perhaps she chose the healthier route, but who are we to determine what the best path for another individual might be?

Fred Goldman is angry, and has the right to be angry. OJ Simpson has done nothing to diffuse the situation and has done everything he can to provoke it. Fred Goldman has taken every avenue legally available to him in order to punish the man that he believes in his heart murdered his son. And why shouldn't he? Because some deem that it's not healthy? Fred Goldman's health is his own personal issue and that is something that only he can decide on. Frankly I see nothing unhealthy about expressing your emotion, and Fred's emotion on this subject is rage.

Already we can see that Fred Goldman is a more decent human being than OJ Simpson. Fred Goldman takes his rage and pursues legal avenues available to filter that emotion through. OJ Simpson took his rage and brutally murdered two people on June 12, 1994.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

I think that people tend to forget that this is personal, and with that comes no black and white manual that outlines exactly how or when an individual is to "move on" or "let go" of the murder of a loved one.

Denise Brown has not let go either. She has only chosen a different path to put her fight into. She believes that Nicole's death is a result of domestic violence and as such has dedicated her life to that issue.

Perhaps she chose the healthier route, but who are we to determine what the best path for another individual might be?

Fred Goldman is angry, and has the right to be angry. OJ Simpson has done nothing to diffuse the situation and has done everything he can to provoke it. Fred Goldman has taken every avenue legally available to him in order to punish the man that he believes in his heart murdered his son. And why shouldn't he? Because some deem that it's not healthy? Fred Goldman's health is his own personal issue and that is something that only he can decide on. Frankly I see nothing unhealthy about expressing your emotion, and Fred's emotion on this subject is rage.

Already we can see that Fred Goldman is a more decent human being than OJ Simpson. Fred Goldman takes his rage and pursues legal avenues available to filter that emotion through. OJ Simpson took his rage and brutally murdered two people on June 12, 1994.

Kate

Great Post, Kate!

:beer:

[weezer]

I know that there are posters on this board who write that Mr. Goldman's anger and rage have consumed his life. To that I post this from the interview link:

"But mostly, the Goldmans focus on giving, as a way of paying tribute to Ron's memory. Fred, a salesman now living in Phoenix, has devoted himself to working for victim's rights, actively lobbying for new laws and greater protections for people affected by violent crime.

In addition to being a wife and new mother, Kim is the director of the California office of "Best Buddies", an organization that pairs mentally challenged kids with mentors. They both told us their advocacy work makes them feel more connected to Ron."

Now, can one of the NG's post what orenthal has been doing with his life that matters? I don't mean freak show autograph signings, lap dances, stealing cable, road rage, domestic abuse charges, etc., but maybe something worthwhile.

[martin II]

For those concerned, OJ Simpsonis is a single parent and has raised two kids for about 12 years to the point where they both are in college, both straight A students and seem to be moving along towards adulthood.That i think is great.

Although some may dissagree, i don't think oj is concerned about fred goldman
or interested in putting anything in freds face. The book effort was simply a
situatIon where a opportunity was prsented to him to make some money for himself and his kids just as so many others have done on this case.

The difference is that Mr Goldman complained when he said OJ was making money on Rons death and that is exactly whar MR Goldman is doing now. Hawking a book for money on his son's death.
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

I didn't say I disagree with the Constitution. I said, I wish no one would represent him.

TAZZY HI
The constitution and the CJS demands that every defendant be represented by defense council.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI
The constitution and the CJS demands that every defendant be represented by defense council.
martin II


Well, no. He could represent himself. It says that every defendant has the right to defense if so wished. So, like I said, I wish no one would represent him.

:read:

[tazzybaby]

For those concerned, OJ Simpsonis is a single parent and has raised two kids for about 12 years to the point where they both are in college, both straight A students and seem to be moving along towards adulthood.That i think is great.

Although some may dissagree, i don't think oj is concerned about fred goldman
or interested in putting anything in freds face. The book effort was simply a
situatIon where a opportunity was prsented to him to make some money for himself and his kids just as so many others have done on this case.

The difference is that Mr Goldman complained when he said OJ was making money on Rons death and that is exactly whar MR Goldman is doing now. Hawking a book for money on his son's death.
MARTIN ii

First of all, so what. I am a single parent who has raised three kids and the oldest is in college. Straight A students, very intelligent and decent kids. My son has ADHD. That, of course, has always been a struggle. At times it's been very frustrating on my part. They've NEVER felt like I didn't love them. Even in a fight. They have ALWAYS known that I love them. I have went out of my way to make sure they feel loved and secure. That is more important than any material thing any parent could ever give. IMO their mental well being is more important than their financial security. They are in college and will be able to provide for themselves.

OJ wrote the book. Mr Goldman did not. OJ was found liable for the murder of Mr Goldman's child. It is his own right to pursue this money. He's doing nothing wrong. On the other hand, OJ always has.

[martin II]

Well, no. He could represent himself. It says that every defendant has the right to defense if so wished. So, like I said, I wish no one would represent him.

:read:

tazzy hi

If a defendant does not have a lawyer a judge will normally appoint one so as the be in line with the constitution.
A defendant can only represent himself after he refuses court appointed council and only if the judge agrees.

Are your feelings the same for all the CONVICTED rapist and killers of small children. The Mendez brothers or women, or just for OJ Simpson a man found not guilty of murder.
martin II

[martin II]

First of all, so what. I am a single parent who has raised three kids and the oldest is in college. Straight A students, very intelligent and decent kids. My son has ADHD. That, of course, has always been a struggle. At times it's been very frustrating on my part. They've NEVER felt like I didn't love them. Even in a fight. They have ALWAYS known that I love them. I have went out of my way to make sure they feel loved and secure. That is more important than any material thing any parent could ever give. IMO their mental well being is more important than their financial security. They are in college and will be able to provide for themselves.

OJ wrote the book. Mr Goldman did not. OJ was found liable for the murder of Mr Goldman's child. It is his own right to pursue this money. He's doing nothing wrong. On the other hand, OJ always has.


tazzy hi
I am sure that all you have said about your kids is true and i think that is great. I feel that oj Simpson gets the same praise for rasing his as you do with yours.

Fred has a right to go after the free money and oj has every right to use the court system and the law to protect his assets for himself and his kids. It is just that Fred could at lease say it is about the money and not hide behind another motive for public support. But it does not matter what he say at this point as the cat is already out of the bag. People now know it was about the money all alone.
martin II

[martin II]

First of all, so what. I am a single parent who has raised three kids and the oldest is in college. Straight A students, very intelligent and decent kids. My son has ADHD. That, of course, has always been a struggle. At times it's been very frustrating on my part. They've NEVER felt like I didn't love them. Even in a fight. They have ALWAYS known that I love them. I have went out of my way to make sure they feel loved and secure. That is more important than any material thing any parent could ever give. IMO their mental well being is more important than their financial security. They are in college and will be able to provide for themselves.

OJ wrote the book. Mr Goldman did not. OJ was found liable for the murder of Mr Goldman's child. It is his own right to pursue this money. He's doing nothing wrong. On the other hand, OJ always has.

tazzy hi
i would be willing to bet that if Goldman or anyone else had a judgement against you for (hope this never happens) 33million. you would do the same as oj, protect your assets for your self and your kids rather then give them to a stranger.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
I am sure that all you have said about your kids is true and i think that is great. I feel that oj Simpson gets the same praise for rasing his as you do with yours.

Fred has a right to go after the free money and oj has every right to use the court system and the law to protect his assets for himself and his kids. It is just that Fred could at lease say it is about the money and not hide behind another motive for public support. But it does not matter what he say at this point as the cat is already out of the bag. People now know it was about the money all alone.
martin II

Oh, no. My kids have never called the police on me. I would also not exploit their other parent to give them money. We make it on way less than what OJ gets from his pension alone. And, I would never kill my childrens parent (or anyone else). OJ can't hold a candle to my parenting.

At least say it's about the money? What do you mean? That's the only punishment there was for OJ. Can't OJ at least come clean about the murders? Why does he have to hide behind a "fake" confession. But, it doesn't matter what he says because the cat was never in the bag. Everyone knows OJ killed them.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i would be willing to bet that if Goldman or anyone else had a judgement against you for (hope this never happens) 33million. you would do the same as oj, protect your assets for your self and your kids rather then give them to a stranger.

I would never be in this position. But, if I was, I would find the "real" killers and clear my name even if it took forever.

Money is not as important as love and emotional well being. That is the number one priority for EVERY kid. OJ should know that it doesn't matter what material things he gives his kids as long as he loves them. Why would he exploit their mother and risk harming their emotional well being just to give them money? That's a twisted way of thinking.

[martin II]

Oh, no. My kids have never called the police on me. I would also not exploit their other parent to give them money. We make it on way less than what OJ gets from his pension alone. And, I would never kill my childrens parent (or anyone else). OJ can't hold a candle to my parenting.

At least say it's about the money? What do you mean? That's the only punishment there was for OJ. Can't OJ at least come clean about the murders? Why does he have to hide behind a "fake" confession. But, it doesn't matter what he says because the cat was never in the bag. Everyone knows OJ killed them.

tazzh hi

OJ went home after the 12 smart no nonsense jurors told the prosecution that their mountial of evidence looked like a small ant hill to them.
After the SET UP civil trial he told the word he did not kill anyone and he would not pay a penny to anyone.

I am not sure if i woud buy the book or not but surely i woud not for that one "fake" chapter that Pablo Fenjves put in there. The other chapters about oj's and nicoles life togeather i might be interested in what he has to say about that.But we will have to see if the book is sold at all by fred or OJ.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

If a defendant does not have a lawyer a judge will normally appoint one so as the be in line with the constitution.
A defendant can only represent himself after he refuses court appointed council and only if the judge agrees.

Are your feelings the same for all the CONVICTED rapist and killers of small children. The Mendez brothers or women, or just for OJ Simpson a man found not guilty of murder.
martin II

Why do you keep arguing the constitution? Have you read it? A defendant doesn't have to REFUSE court appointed council. They choose on their own to represent themselves. Everyone has that right. That's as big a right as having the right to counsel even if you can't afford it. The only difference is that you have to be of sound mind and understand what you're doing for the judge to ok it. Just like in order for you to have counsel appointed to you they have to make sure you fall in the guidelines of "not being able to afford" it.

:read:

My feelings are not all the same because Simpson has kids that he is raising and he continues to joke about their mothers murder and profit from it. And, he got away with murder. The menendez brothers did not.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzh hi

OJ went home after the 12 smart no nonsense jurors told the prosecution that their mountial of evidence looked like a small ant hill to them.
After the SET UP civil trial he told the word he did not kill anyone and he would not pay a penny to anyone.

I am not sure if i woud buy the book or not but surely i woud not for that one "fake" chapter that Pablo Fenjves put in there. The other chapters about oj's and nicoles life togeather i might be interested in what he has to say about that.But we will have to see if the book is sold at all by fred or OJ.
martin II

Goldman is able to persue this money because OJ was found liable for the deaths of Ron and Nicole. Those same "smart no nonsense jurors" said that they would vote guilty after they found out the rest of the evidence after the criminal trial.

Pablo Fenjves wrote the words that OJ told him to write because OJ's education wouldn't allow him to write it himself intelligently.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Why would he exploit their mother and risk harming their emotional well being just to give them money? That's a twisted way of thinking.


Why indeed! :beer:

[martin II]

I would never be in this position. But, if I was, I would find the "real" killers and clear my name even if it took forever.

Money is not as important as love and emotional well being. That is the number one priority for EVERY kid. OJ should know that it doesn't matter what material things he gives his kids as long as he loves them. Why would he exploit their mother and risk harming their emotional well being just to give them money? That's a twisted way of thinking.

TAZZY HI
Although some people are just waiting for his kids to have some kind of nervouse breakdown.(mean twisted thinking on their part) i doubt it will ever happen. I think that oj is giving his kids all they need to become well rounded smart loving kids. Sorry about that.
martin II

[socaldiva]

TAZZY HI
Although some people are just waiting for his kids to have some kind of nervouse breakdown.(mean twisted thinking on their part) i doubt it will ever happen. I think that oj is giving his kids all they need to become well rounded smart loving kids. Sorry about that.
martin II

WTH said they are waiting for his kids to have "some kind of nervouse breakdown". I doubt anyone wishes them harm :rolleyes:

Some kids manage to turn out well in spite of having awful parents. I hope the Simpson children manage to do the same.

[martin II]

Why do you keep arguing the constitution? Have you read it? A defendant doesn't have to REFUSE court appointed council. They choose on their own to represent themselves. Everyone has that right. That's as big a right as having the right to counsel even if you can't afford it. The only difference is that you have to be of sound mind and understand what you're doing for the judge to ok it. Just like in order for you to have counsel appointed to you they have to make sure you fall in the guidelines of "not being able to afford" it.

:read:

My feelings are not all the same because Simpson has kids that he is raising and he continues to joke about their mothers murder and profit from it. And, he got away with murder. The menendez brothers did not.

:shrug:

yes but the Menendez brothers,convicted murders, were interviewed on almost every tv program and there was no public outrage as there was about oj and he was found NOT GUILTY. WHY was that?
martin II

[socaldiva]

yes but the Menendez brothers,convicted murders, were interviewed on almost every tv program and there was no public outrage as there was about oj and he was found NOT GUILTY. WHY was that?
martin II


Gee, maybe it was because justice was served in their case & they're not double murderers out walking free, trying to make a buck off the murders.

[martin II]

Why do you keep arguing the constitution? Have you read it? A defendant doesn't have to REFUSE court appointed council. They choose on their own to represent themselves. Everyone has that right. That's as big a right as having the right to counsel even if you can't afford it. The only difference is that you have to be of sound mind and understand what you're doing for the judge to ok it. Just like in order for you to have counsel appointed to you they have to make sure you fall in the guidelines of "not being able to afford" it.

:read:

My feelings are not all the same because Simpson has kids that he is raising and he continues to joke about their mothers murder and profit from it. And, he got away with murder. The menendez brothers did not.

:shrug:


tazzy hi
I have not had to appear in court with defense council as yet so you may have more experience in this area than i have.If i ever have to appear i am sure my lawyer who is on company retainer, will require that i pay him.

However Mr Colin Ferguson represented himself, the judge approved, in his murder trial and this guy's brain was completely shot. In case you don't know him he is the guy that killed all of theose people on the LIRR and while representing himself questioned himself and gave answers to himself,(his lawyer), on the witness stand.

martin II

[martin II]

Goldman is able to persue this money because OJ was found liable for the deaths of Ron and Nicole. Those same "smart no nonsense jurors" said that they would vote guilty after they found out the rest of the evidence after the criminal trial.

Pablo Fenjves wrote the words that OJ told him to write because OJ's education wouldn't allow him to write it himself intelligently.

tazzy hi
you mean oj's writing skills .jyo
not his educaiton. right.

martin II

[martin II]

Goldman is able to persue this money because OJ was found liable for the deaths of Ron and Nicole. Those same "smart no nonsense jurors" said that they would vote guilty after they found out the rest of the evidence after the criminal trial.

Pablo Fenjves wrote the words that OJ told him to write because OJ's education wouldn't allow him to write it himself intelligently.

tazzy hi
I don't think you were present during this exercise. right?
martin II

[martin II]

Here's some of the Goldman's views....

Fred Goldman says, "I could never, ever have imagined that, after the volumes of evidence and nine months of trial … that when all was said and done, any jury could possibly have ever come to any verdict other than guilty. Needless to say, I was wrong."

Kim Goldman Hahn says she is angry Simpson receives publicity.

"It seems like every couple of months he pops up again," says Goldman Hahn. "You know, when his ego needs a little boosting or something."


I could never imagine what exactly it would feel like to have my child's murderer continue to talk about, make money off of and joke about my child's murder. I would hate him to the core. I am not suprised that they can't let it go. It seems to be in their face every few months.

TAZZY HI

The problem with the goldmans is that they somehow believe that since they lost a family member they get to dictate to the media who is interviewed on tv. It does not work like that.
martin II

[sassylassy]

I think you need to put your glasses back on.

Tell me, you consider martin II a gentleman when he refers to Fred Goldman as "tin cup" and "gold digger"?

I have just found out the truth of your character and beliefs. What an extreme disappointment.

:

Again with the TIN CUP comment, let it go ppl!:cuss:

[martin II]

Thought this was one interesting quote from Golddigger's lawyer when Fred's Judge Rosenburg denied a request by Nicole's Estate to receive any proceeds from the auction."We all share the tragedy for the Brown's and they have alot of tears and their tears are our tears." BUT THEY HAVE TO STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD."


According to Mr Goldman the Browns need to 'STOP CRYING AND MOVE FORWARD"?

That takes the cake, as they say.

martin II

sassy
actually i never called fred golddiger.
I did copy the above paragraph from JUTONS post as i thought it needed repeating.
I should have put it in quotes but did not realieze that the poster making the accusation had not read JUTONS post.
martinII

[tazzybaby]

yes but the Menendez brothers,convicted murders, were interviewed on almost every tv program and there was no public outrage as there was about oj and he was found NOT GUILTY. WHY was that?
martin II

As I already said.....

Because he has kids. He took his kids mother away from them. He doesn't care about their emotional well being.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
I have not had to appear in court with defense council as yet so you may have more experience in this area than i have.If i ever have to appear i am sure my lawyer who is on company retainer, will require that i pay him.

However Mr Colin Ferguson represented himself, the judge approved, in his murder trial and this guy's brain was completely shot. In case you don't know him he is the guy that killed all of theose people on the LIRR and while representing himself questioned himself and gave answers to himself,(his lawyer), on the witness stand.

martin II

lol.....I will not ever have to have defense council for murder or anything like it. But, I can read and research. I can find out how things work.

I'm not sure of the point that you are trying to relay with the Ferguson reference?? Maybe that he was able to represent himself even though he had paranoid tendencies? So did Susan Polk. That is a right just as right to council is.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
you mean oj's writing skills .jyo
not his educaiton. right.

martin II

Well, I said education because you made a big argument that he didn't have to study in college. I am assuming that his poor writing skills are because of poor teaching. I don't think he is stupid (well, as far as intelligence goes). I think he either didn't pay attention in school, didn't care or wasn't taught properly. And, it's not just my opinion. His writing skills are not good. He has admitted that himself.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
I don't think you were present during this exercise. right?
martin II

I don't have to be. Harper Collins said he dictated it. OJ said he wrote the whole book BUT that chapter. I don't believe that. First, he didn't write the rest of the book. He had to have help. So the Ghost Writer participated in the whole book. If he had to have help with the rest of the book then why would I believe that he would NOT participate in THAT chapter. And, why would Harper Collins have a contract without him participating in THAT chapter? They wouldn't. And, in the contract that they do have it says that the book is OJ's account. So, why would I believe that OJ didn't write it? What would make you think that anyways? Because OJ said? Why do you believe OJ when you know he lies?

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI

The problem with the goldmans is that they somehow believe that since they lost a family member they get to dictate to the media who is interviewed on tv. It does not work like that.
martin II

Most agree with them. So, they're not DICTATING to anyone. Most who lost a loved one and their murderer went free would also feel the same way. That's why most agree with them.

The public is who dictates what is shown and who is interviewed. They are part of the public.

[tazzybaby]

OJ Simpson signed his name ....

And, # 2 says...

I represent to you that the Work shall be solely written by me with a writer.

He signed his name. So, for you to say he didn't write it is completely FALSE.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_bOAo41S8ooE/RgHc5gLJa8I/AAAAAAAAAEA/y1eRmOyCW0s/s1600-h/23.jpg

[martin II]

lol.....I will not ever have to have defense council for murder or anything like it. But, I can read and research. I can find out how things work.

I'm not sure of the point that you are trying to relay with the Ferguson reference?? Maybe that he was able to represent himself even though he had paranoid tendencies? So did Susan Polk. That is a right just as right to council is.

:shrug:

Ferguson was much more damaged than Polk imo. everyone in town knew this guy was a complete nut. don't know how the judge allowed him to represent himself.

martin II

[martin II]

I don't have to be. Harper Collins said he dictated it. OJ said he wrote the whole book BUT that chapter. I don't believe that. First, he didn't write the rest of the book. He had to have help. So the Ghost Writer participated in the whole book. If he had to have help with the rest of the book then why would I believe that he would NOT participate in THAT chapter. And, why would Harper Collins have a contract without him participating in THAT chapter? They wouldn't. And, in the contract that they do have it says that the book is OJ's account. So, why would I believe that OJ didn't write it? What would make you think that anyways? Because OJ said? Why do you believe OJ when you know he lies?

tazzy hi
various media reports give different accounts of this story. so who knows.
martin II

[martin II]

OJ Simpson signed his name ....

And, # 2 says...

I represent to you that the Work shall be solely written by me with a writer.

He signed his name. So, for you to say he didn't write it is completely FALSE.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_bOAo41S8ooE/RgHc5gLJa8I/AAAAAAAAAEA/y1eRmOyCW0s/s1600-h/23.jpg

tazzy. going to a meeting.be back later to continue. be well.
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

Here is what i think about the book:
1. oj dictated all of the chapters having to do with his and nicoles 17 year relationship and P F smoothed it all out in good form.
(this is normal in book writing) imo
2. Regan wanted oj to create more exact details (SPICY STUFF)
in the one " murder" chapter. OJ refused. OJ and P Funjves
made up this fake " if murder' chapter".

The hook was the 'MURDER' chapter. in the remainder of the chapters, oj gets to tell his side of the story of the 17 year relationship with Nicole as he saw it with the benefit of 12 years after the fact.

OJ's writing skills
The only thing i have seen oj wrote was the letter he wrote just before he and AC went to visit Nicoles grave. I remember there were 6-7 mispelled words and some sentance structure mistakes.

Oj went to USC to learn how to play football so that he could play in the NFL. He was not a English or creative writer major.

A person with a ENGLISH major from USC would be just as out of pocket talking about x's and o's as oj would be talking about
sentance structure.imo

martin II

[weezer]

"The only thing i have seen oj wrote was the letter he wrote just before he and AC went to visit Nicoles grave. I remember there were 6-7 mispelled words and some sentance structure mistakes.

Oj went to USC to learn how to play football so that he could play in the NFL. He was not a English or creative writer major."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[martin II]

one person goes to USC and gets a degree in Creative writing and lands a job
teaching english at about $35,000.00 yr.

Another goes to USC and gets a degree in Phy Ed learning how to play football and lands a job playing in the NFL and builds a fortune of over $10,000,000

Both are successful at their chosen work.

martin II

[martin II]

ALL

I have wondered if Mr. Fred Goldman has a legal position as a creditor in the LBA bankruptcy filing in Florida. If anyone has any information on this issue and would like to share, please do. I have looked but found nothing so far.
Martin II

[socaldiva]

one person goes to USC and gets a degree in Creative writing and lands a job
teaching english at about $35,000.00 yr.

Another goes to USC and gets a degree in Phy Ed learning how to play football and lands a job playing in the NFL and builds a fortune of over $10,000,000

Both are successful at their chosen work.

martin II

Successful til the latter is proven to be a double murderer & has to drain his bank account to pay to keep out of jail. :tongue:

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I don't mind if Weezer answers for me.....we think along the same lines.

:seeya:

tazzy hi

I can agree with you on that.
martin II

[weezer]

I read the book contract deal and have a question: In the contract, it states that the contract is governed by the laws of the State of New York. Does anyone know exactly what that means?

[martin II]

I read the book contract deal and have a question: In the contract, it states that the contract is governed by the laws of the State of New York. Does anyone know exactly what that means?

HC corporate headquarters in located in New York. Which seems to be the official place of the agreement. That in case of default or dissagrement between parties,The laws of New York state prevails.

martin II

[martin II]

I read the book contract deal and have a question: In the contract, it states that the contract is governed by the laws of the State of New York. Does anyone know exactly what that means?

"what section and paragraph in the contract does it say the contract is goverend by the laws of new York State"
martin II

[martin II]

the contract i read is missing paragraph 24 and 25 for some reason.

maby it is there.
martin II

[jotun]

Although some may dissagree, i don't think oj is concerned about fred goldman
or interested in putting anything in freds face. The book effort was simply a
situatIon where a opportunity was prsented to him to make some money for himself and his kids just as so many others have done on this case.

The difference is that Mr Goldman complained when he said OJ was making money on Rons death and that is exactly whar MR Goldman is doing now. Hawking a book for money on his son's death.
MARTIN ii

Martin,
I TOTALLY AGREE !!!
Here is a very interesting article about fred:
http://www.associatecontent.com/pop-print.shtml

jotun

[sassylassy]

one person goes to USC and gets a degree in Creative writing and lands a job
teaching english at about $35,000.00 yr.

Another goes to USC and gets a degree in Phy Ed learning how to play football and lands a job playing in the NFL and builds a fortune of over $10,000,000

Both are successful at their chosen work.

martin II


I agree :beer: its not always about education, I think its "drive" & " ambition" that makes ppl successful ...imo :) :read:

[sassylassy]

Martin,
I TOTALLY AGREE !!!
Here is a very interesting article about fred:
http://www.associatecontent.com/pop-print.shtml

jotun

Thanks for the link Jotun!
:read: