Goldmans Sue

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
you have offered some SOLID GOLD thoughts there.

martin II

Thank you ;)

[sassylassy]

I totally get what you're saying, but I guess I just view the events differently. I was a battered woman, and martin will try to say that all battered women think this and that, but that's not true. When I speak of my experiences it's just to try to shed some light on some things that people who haven't been through it might not get. Do you know what I'm saying?

My husband didn't rage all of the time either, in fact he never once raged when another person was around (other than our kids). But there were times when I had broken bones and black eyes when he raged in the privacy of our own home. And you know what? No one believed me when I tried to tell. They didn't believe me because all they saw was this guy who was successful and handsome, charming and kind. And the kicker is that he absolutely could be charming and kind. I still couldn't tell you why some things set him off and some didn't. There were times when I'd do something that made me think he would beat me blind and he didn't and there were times when he came at me when I'd done nothing other than sit on the couch and turn on the tv.

I can't offer the definitive of what ran through OJ's mind. Who knows for sure what makes people do crazy things? But, sometimes I know it's possible for someone to be able to take just so much before they explode. Maybe it was a whole bunch of things that were going on in his life ... the only thing I know for certain is that obsessive love can make people do things that are crazy.

If nothing else, thanks a ton for the up-front and honest, and NICE debate.

Cheers :beer:

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

So, you think it's understandable that he was in a tizzy? But, he was screaming about Keith that night also. And, you think it was all about his kids right? He was only upset that she was doing it with the kids in the house. Then why would he force his way in, scream and yell and talk about those things while the kids were in the house? That's a double standard and therefore in my opinion negates his "worried about the kids" stance. He hung out with the same people that Nicole did. And, the kids were around. And, if he was so worried that the kids find Nicole and Keith then why would he scream about it out loud where the kids could hear? I thought he was trying to protect the kids???? Nicole was begging for him to quiet down so he didn't wake up the kids. So, Nicole was worried about the kids but OJ wasn't? It's all about control. He doesn't get to dictate who she can and can't hang out with. Did anything happen? No. Did the kids walk in? No. Did he consider her a good mother? Yes. So, why wouldn't he trust her judgement? Why wouldn't he just tell her to be careful. Why does he get to force his way in and scream at her to tell her what she should and shouldn't do?

That incident was more than just a tizzy. Nicole was terrified. She was crying. She knew that at any minute it could turn into something much more.

Tazzy,

I said I found OJS behaviour unacceptable that night.

but that I understood what set him off into a rage/tizzy

big difference:read:imo

[martin II]

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

sassy hi

From what has been leaked out about the contents of this book, one chapter
is suppose to be about the "details" of this hypothetical murder. The other chapters are about Oj talking about himself and his relationship with Niolce.

martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

OJ should not have kicked in the door. At that time he had no right to say who she could 'HANG OUT WITH" But he had every right to tell her that he did not want his kids around the kind of people that it was reported that were at the party.

She could have allowed the kids to stay at OJ house or Coras house for the night of the party.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

You're right, it was May. May the 22nd. That's not quite three weeks before her murder. Or, over two weeks before her muder. She gave the bracelet back. I think OJ knew it was truly over at that point.

Yes, they did live in the same area. And, it would be understandable for them to "run into" each other. But, what's not understandable is the intimidation when he's got his own girlfriend (and always had one). And, Nicole said he would be EVERYWHERE she went. He was actually following her. She told several people this. She told her mother she was scared of him and that he was following her. She showed her mother the book regarding abuse and highlighted the parts that were like her and told her mother.

The call was introduced into the trial. So, it was more than "thought" to be Nicole Simpson. And, Dudley Moore's wife didn't say it was her. That leaves Nicole Simpson. That's why they were allowed to introduce it. To show her "frame of mind".

I personally think Ojs knew it was over when they divorced but that's just moo...

I think intimidation was a form of control becuz ojs felt he had to protect his interests. Someone sold a story about him & Nicole to the tabloids- we know ojs was obsessive over his image, stuff like that could effect his earnings etc..which is one reason why I think he had an interest in who Nicole hung out with & what was going on.

I thought OJS was out of town for most of the time (leading up to the murders) so when was he stalking her? :shrug:

its been a long time... I have forgotten the "details" of the call, anyone have a link?:seeya:

All IMO MOO

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

From what has been leaked out about the contents of this book, one chapter
is suppose to be about the "details" of this hypothetical murder. The other chapters are about Oj talking about himself and his relationship with Niolce.

martin II

Thats what I understand as well....:read:

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo

sassy hi

I am wondering if HC has already turned the rights over to L Brooks?

martin II

[martin II]

I personally think Ojs knew it was over when they divorced but that's just moo...

I think intimidation was a form of control becuz ojs felt he had to protect his interests. Someone sold a story about him & Nicole to the tabloids- we know ojs was obsessive over his image, stuff like that could effect his earnings etc..which is one reason why I think he had an interest in who Nicole hung out with & what was going on.

I thought OJS was out of town for most of the time (leading up to the murders) so when was he stalking her? :shrug:

its been a long time... I have forgotten the "details" of the call, anyone have a link?:seeya:

All IMO MOO

Ssaay hi

i think oj was on the east coast the week or two before the murders. So there was no stalking or abuse then.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Ssaay hi

i think oj was on the east coast the week or two before the murders. So there was no stalking or abuse then.

martin II

I will do a search to see if we can find his calendar of events for May/June

I am curious to read what ojs was up too...:read:

[martin II]

tazzy hi
If Nicole gave oj the bracelet back to oj two weeks before she was killed, that supports the time that she was suppose to have written the letter to cora as she did complain about Oj giving the bracelet to that B**** Paula.
The one with the little legs that was not that HOT.

Martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

I am wondering if HC has already turned the rights over to L Brooks?

martin II

I'm not sure what's going down w/ L.Brooks but I do highly suspect that the Goldman's will go after any profits.

what I don't understand is why don't the Brown's get anything out of this?:shrug:

why are the Goldman's only being awarded money?:read:

IMO MOO

[sassylassy]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html

[martin II]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html

SASSY HI
Thanks for that piece of clarity.

martin II

[martin II]

I'm not sure what's going down w/ L.Brooks but I do highly suspect that the Goldman's will go after any profits.

what I don't understand is why don't the Brown's get anything out of this?:shrug:

why are the Goldman's only being awarded money?:read:

IMO MOO

sassy hi
Freds lawyer was on cnn friday night and stated that Fred is now considering if he wants to sell the book. If there is no successful appeal.Decision has not been made yet.

Fred filed the suite on behalf of Himself. He did not include the browns.

PS. Fred also filed suite against lou brown in an attempt to get the court to force Lou to pay him the $300,000 Lou owes oj.

Martin II

[martin II]

I will do a search to see if we can find his calendar of events for May/June

I am curious to read what ojs was up too...:read:

sassy hi
from memory, he was in new york and two other east coast cities. I know a friend invited him to visit on Long Island but not sure he made that visit.

martin II

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo

sassy hi
when Harper collins intended to sell the book by Oj it was garbage and filth.

Now that fred thinks he will sell it, it is 'A confession" or a historical document
that Americans need to read.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i believe you may be pulling my leg when you say you believe mario. did he ever give you proof of the limo hidden compartmentor the beating LAPD gave him or the bag in the lake lie??
martinii

Hi Martin,

I have seen a picture of him after the beating. And, I have seen the documents that he has regarding his filing the complaint.

I know that it is important for you not to believe the bag in the lake comment. But, it remains that there are two independent people who claim this. That bolsters that accusation. Does it "prove" it? No. But, I do believe it. You can't say it's a lie because you don't know.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

you may or may not have seen this before but i just saw it on a site posted by mario.
Please note;
1.Her comments about faye hating oj.
2. her comments about Paula
3. her comments about her sister Denise's lifestyle.
4. Nicole bragging that she controls OJ. HHMMMM

martin II

Here's the text:

"Cora,

Sorry I had to get off so fast the other night. O.J. brought the kids
home
early and I wanted to talk to him about the bracelet. Remember I told
you I
gave it back to him - well, He gave it to that ***** he's been
seeing!!! Can you
believe it!! He's a piece of work, huh?

I don't know why I should even give a **** what he does - but the
truth is I
do! Iv'e seen her and she's not so hot - skinny and big lips. He
says she's
a nice girl and I wish him well, but it still bugs me. Isn't that
strange.
I still have that "power" over him though - like when I moved in
last year.
He took me right back in a second. He would again too - I know it. We
just
have each other in the blood I guess.

I've told you before, it's the sex- always was, always will be. he
just
gets too rough, that's all. It used to be a turn - on - now I'm
black and blue
for days. Not only that we make so much noise I'm afraid the kids
will hear,
oh well. He gets angry when I say no but I'm really conflicted -
sometimes I
want in - sometimes I want out - you know what I've been going
through. Agony
.

You know Faye - she hates him - but secretly I think she's really
"hot" for
O.J. So the tension when he stops buy is awful. He's on me, she's
on me -
everybody's on me. It's a nightmare. I'm always tired. Stress
I guess. All
wound up. I hate having someone around all the times. So many people.
I
don't even know, or like for that matter coming and going - So, if I
seem edgy
Cora I'm only concerned about the kids.

Faye hangs with a crowd that frankly scares me. She's really a nice
person
but very addictive. I've had my flings - see what this lifestyle did
to
Denise. The children are too important. I can't give O.J. any
excuses (like he's
perfect..) but he's right too. He doesn't like her for a reason.
he says
she's a lousy mother - maybe, but she's got problems - that why I
try to help.
Oh well, see you Tues. don't say anything to you know - who.
We'll take
it one day at a time.

Nicole"


Sure put's a different "LIGHT" about what Nicole Simpson thought and knew about her sister Denise Brown.

Nicole says that the "CROWD" that Faye Resnick hangs with scare's her. I'll bet it did.

Read into everyone.......................................... .

Hi Martin,

So, do you believe this is a true letter from Nicole? Do you believe Mario or not? Why do you keep talking about him if you don't believe him? I don't get it. lol

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy,

I said I found OJS behaviour unacceptable that night.

but that I understood what set him off into a rage/tizzy

big difference:read:imo

Hi Sassy,

I saw where you said it was unacceptable. But, how can you "understand" what "set him off" that night? The "reason" he went "off" is unacceptable to me also.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

OJ should not have kicked in the door. At that time he had no right to say who she could 'HANG OUT WITH" But he had every right to tell her that he did not want his kids around the kind of people that it was reported that were at the party.

She could have allowed the kids to stay at OJ house or Coras house for the night of the party.

martin II

Hi Martin,

Why do you feel this way when OJ himself had some of the same people at his own house whent he kids were there? He didn't find a problem with it then. Only when he wanted to control Nicole.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html


Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Why do you feel this way when OJ himself had some of the same people at his own house whent he kids were there? He didn't find a problem with it then. Only when he wanted to control Nicole.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
I don't think oj had KZ or any of the prostitues that were present at Nicole party at his house.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
I don't think oj had KZ or any of the prostitues that were present at Nicole party at his house.
martin II


Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

tazzy hi

Herbert Becker a Canadian publisher on ctv said he wants to buy the rights to the book. He believes he can RAISE $7 TO 10 MIL from the sale of the book. He believes that there is current damand for the book.
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

tazzh hi
if Nicole was going to have a blast (party) at her house where drug addicts and prostitutes would be present, she should have taken the kids to OJ'S or Coras or her mothers house and had her party.The kids did not need to be present.

martin II

[martin II]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:

tazzy here is what i think

name calling
I never read this.Thought he always had praise for her. I guess when she was pregnant she was a little heavy as expected.


keeping her away from friends
she had relations with her family and several lady friends. oj did not like Faye and KZ. She went out with her friends.

Money
Nicole did not work for 17 years so it seems that he was giving money all the time. He did get her 2 interior design jobs but after that she never continued.
He gave her $4000,000 settlement and $10,000 mo child support and she still wanted to play him.

Physical abuse
once in 1989

sex
In her letter to cora just before her death she said she loved having sex with oj although it could get rough.

intimidation
I don't know about that.

Stalking her
In that small community they would see each other. Theyt both liked the same resturants. She was hanging with the wrong crowd and he was concerned if he did stalk her.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzh hi
if Nicole was going to have a blast (party) at her house where drug addicts and prostitutes would be present, she should have taken the kids to OJ'S or Coras or her mothers house and had her party.The kids did not need to be present.

martin II

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

[Kayleighjo]

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

You know what, I give the thanks back to you. Why? Because you're willing to be educated and that's a tough one because the cycle of violence can be really hard to understand if you've never been trapped in it.

My kids and I have moved on, but it's still a struggle. Even though my ex husband is dead there are still nights every now and then when I wake up in the dark scared that he's in my house.

I recognize Nicole's situation. The diary entries ring true. The safe deposit box that she left behind says it all. People think it sounds dramatic, but I believe that she knew he'd kill her.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

tazzy hi

I wish i knew exactly what they were doing at the party as you seem to know.
Oj didn't like it and he let her know. Whatever was on her mind is on her but he did not hit her. He was talking to Kato most of the time.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

I know, it's as though he thinks that Nicole threw a party with the theme "Drugs and Hookers" emblazoned on huge banners hanging over the door.

Thanks for bringing up Christie. Here was a chick that was a known cocaine freak living under his roof with his kids everyday.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy here is what i think

name calling
I never read this.Thought he always had praise for her. I guess when she was pregnant she was a little heavy as expected.


keeping her away from friends
she had relations with her family and several lady friends. oj did not like Faye and KZ. She went out with her friends.

Money
Nicole did not work for 17 years so it seems that he was giving money all the time. He did get her 2 interior design jobs but after that she never continued.
He gave her $4000,000 settlement and $10,000 mo child support and she still wanted to play him.

Physical abuse
once in 1989

sex
In her letter to cora just before her death she said she loved having sex with oj although it could get rough.

intimidation
I don't know about that.

Stalking her
In that small community they would see each other. Theyt both liked the same resturants. She was hanging with the wrong crowd and he was concerned if he did stalk her.

martin II


Are you making excuses for his behavior? For his abuse, I should say.

Your answers to these show that you don't know what you're talking about. You should look into the letters that Nicole wrote and the diary entries. Then you should check out what her other friends (besides Cora) said. OJ abused her. Classic Case.

Name Calling......
There is never an excuse for calling someone names. Especially when they're vulnerable (like being pregnant). There is no "understandable" reason to call someone names or put them down. Classic Abuse.

Keeping her away from friends.....
It's not OJ's choice who she can and can not hang out with. Especially when he hangs out with the same type of people. He didn't want her to hang out with certain people and FORCED HIS WAY IN HER OWN HOUSE AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER to get his point across. Classic Abuse.

Money....
When OJ met Nicole she had a job. When two people get married they are as one. So, OJ giving Nicole money is something that should happen. They were married. That's not Nicole "taking advantage" of OJ. That's rediculous. And, yes, he tried to hook her up with money making opportunities. But, he also TRIED TO CONTROL HER BY THREATENING FINANCIAL RUIN BY TURNING HER IN TO THE IRS. Classic Abuse.

Physical Abuse.....
There were witnesses to more than one incident of Physical Abuse. Classic Abuse.

Sex....
In her diary she talked about OJ locking her in a closet, coming in and raping her then locking her back up. That's a little more than rough sex. And, I don't think she was referring to that in her letter to Cora. Classic Abuse.

Intimidation....
Well, yes there was MUCH intimidation. Please research the case to understand better. Classic Abuse.

Stalking her....
Nicole felt that OJ was stalking her. It was more than just running in to each other. You're making an excuse "if he did stalk her"?????? That's twisted thinking.

It's really sad the way that you justify the way he treated her.

:confused:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

*snip*

Oj didn't like it and he let her know.

martin II

Because OJ is the one who get's to decide what she can and can't do?

:punch:

[tazzybaby]

I know, it's as though he thinks that Nicole threw a party with the theme "Drugs and Hookers" emblazoned on huge banners hanging over the door.

Thanks for bringing up Christie. Here was a chick that was a known cocaine freak living under his roof with his kids everyday.

Hi Kayleighjo,

I know!

Christie is a HUGE point here. It just shows that he was trying to control her.

[martin II]

Because OJ is the one who get's to decide what she can and can't do?

:punch:

tazzy hi

oj does not get to decide what she does with her life. When they parted she
dated many many men according to fayes testimony. According to Cora she and faye made the bar scene picking up men and oj never stopped her. so she
lived this dangerous life without interferance by oj.

OJ did have something to say when it came to HIS kids regardless of the relationship between him and nicole.imo He did not loose his rights about his kids because of the breakup. I don't think
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

oj does not get to decide what she does with her life. When they parted she
dated many many men according to fayes testimony. According to Cora she and faye made the bar scene picking up men and oj never stopped her. so she
lived this dangerous life without interferance by oj.

OJ did have something to say when it came to HIS kids regardless of the relationship between him and nicole.imo He did not loose his rights about his kids because of the breakup. I don't think
martin II

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????

[martin II]

Are you making excuses for his behavior? For his abuse, I should say.

Your answers to these show that you don't know what you're talking about. You should look into the letters that Nicole wrote and the diary entries. Then you should check out what her other friends (besides Cora) said. OJ abused her. Classic Case.

Name Calling......
There is never an excuse for calling someone names. Especially when they're vulnerable (like being pregnant). There is no "understandable" reason to call someone names or put them down. Classic Abuse.

Keeping her away from friends.....
It's not OJ's choice who she can and can not hang out with. Especially when he hangs out with the same type of people. He didn't want her to hang out with certain people and FORCED HIS WAY IN HER OWN HOUSE AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER to get his point across. Classic Abuse.

Money....
When OJ met Nicole she had a job. When two people get married they are as one. So, OJ giving Nicole money is something that should happen. They were married. That's not Nicole "taking advantage" of OJ. That's rediculous. And, yes, he tried to hook her up with money making opportunities. But, he also TRIED TO CONTROL HER BY THREATENING FINANCIAL RUIN BY TURNING HER IN TO THE IRS. Classic Abuse.

Physical Abuse.....
There were witnesses to more than one incident of Physical Abuse. Classic Abuse.

Sex....
In her diary she talked about OJ locking her in a closet, coming in and raping her then locking her back up. That's a little more than rough sex. And, I don't think she was referring to that in her letter to Cora. Classic Abuse.

Intimidation....
Well, yes there was MUCH intimidation. Please research the case to understand better. Classic Abuse.

Stalking her....
Nicole felt that OJ was stalking her. It was more than just running in to each other. You're making an excuse "if he did stalk her"?????? That's twisted thinking.

It's really sad the way that you justify the way he treated her.

:confused:

tazzy hi
oj decided that since he and nicole were no longer togeather, he was no longer willing to support her in her schemes to defraud the IRS using his address. She was now on her own as she requested. I don't call that abuse.

I have never read that oj had a problem sharing his weath with nicole when they were married or when they divoiced. He tried to give her some financial independance by setting her up in the design business but for some reason she did not follow through and make a go of it. I have never read that oj refused to share his wealth with nicole, Remember he GAVE her a San Francisco condo free, paid off a $400,000 mortage on her fathers home, arranged for her father to have a Hertz franchise and put her sister through school. Gave her $400,000 cash and $10,000 mo child support and signed a least for her home. i don't call that abuse.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
oj decided that since he and nicole were no longer togeather, he was no longer willing to support her in her schemes to defraud the IRS using his address. She was now on her own as she requested. I don't call that abuse.

I have never read that oj had a problem sharing his weath with nicole when they were married or when they divoiced. He tried to give her some financial independance by setting her up in the design business but for some reason she did not follow through and make a go of it. I have never read that oj refused to share his wealth with nicole, Remember he GAVE her a San Francisco condo free, paid off a $400,000 mortage on her fathers home, arranged for her father to have a Hertz franchise and put her sister through school. Gave her $400,000 cash and $10,000 mo child support and signed a least for her home. i don't call that abuse.

martin II

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????

tazzh again
i don't think oj should have kicked in the door at GG.
martin II

[martin II]

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

[weezer]

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

he was so through with her that after he murdered her, he rode around the freeway curled up in a little ball, sniveling like the coward he is.

[martin II]

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

OJ said that when nicole called him yelling and complaining about him allowing faye to go to some event because she thought oj was stealing her friends. he said he decided that was it no more of nicole alling him yelling for no reason. He stated that faye had invited herself to that party.

after this he decided that he did not want to be involved in her scheme. That is his right to decide at any time he decides to. He could cancel his support at any time he wanted to.

look, she gave the bracelett back. OJ just gave it to Paula. no big deal. But nicole wrote cora a letter saying how pissed off she was because he gave the bracelett to paula. It was n one of her business.

she was done with him and he was done with her, If she had any thoughts that she could get him back at any time as she bragged, the IRS letter set her straight. For maby the first time she realized that she could not PLAY oj anymore. imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

enjoy talking to you.
have to leave for a while.
martin II

[martin II]

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

tazzh
Using your logic then oj was trying to buy nicole when he gave her all the gifts he gave during the 17 years. Maby he gave her the condo so she would love him. same for that Italian sports car. Maby she never loved him. Maby he had to always buy her and her family. :shrug:
martin II

[weezer]

tazzh
Using your logic then oj was trying to buy nicole when he gave her all the gifts he gave during the 17 years. Maby he gave her the condo so she would love him. same for that Italian sports car. Maby she never loved him. Maby he had to always buy her and her family. :shrug:
martin II

LOL -- so even though Nicole is dead, orenthal is the victim? Riiiiiiight

[martin II]

LOL -- so even though Nicole is dead, orenthal is the victim? Riiiiiiight

weezer

My post did not make referance to anyone being a victim or nicole being dead.
So i have no idea as to why you posted the above post to me UNLESS you are up to your usual streatching of the facts and inserting YOUR meaning into my comments.imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

He's never going to open his eyes. But yes, please do keep on trying to "open his eyes!" GMAB!

[2L8 4A D8]

tazzy hi

I wish i knew exactly what they were doing at the party as you seem to know.
Oj didn't like it and he let her know. Whatever was on her mind is on her but he did not hit her. He was talking to Kato most of the time.

martin II

You seem to know exactly what they were doing at the party. "He (OJ) was talking to Kato most of the time." Duh! All IMO!

[socaldiva]

*snip*
OJ said


More "OJ said" :lol:

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo


sassy hi
you had asked if the Browns were included. NO is the answer and here are some comments by Denise.



"But Goldman now says his thinking has changed."

"Goldman’s decision angered the Browns, who have adamantly opposed the book’s publication. On Monday, Denise Brown and her family issued a strongly worded statement criticizing the potential publication. “The Goldmans' sudden reversal of positions to justify the auction of these rights and subsequent publication and [their assertion] that ‘the book’ is Simpson’s confession [reveals] their true motive, which is to collect money,” the Brown family statement read. “Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.” Calling the strategy “an overzealous pursuit to collect on the judgment,” the family encouraged people to “speak out against this auction.”

newsweek

[martin II]

tazzy hi

So now i guess you will agree that it was all about getting the money for fred regardless of where it came from.


"The Goldmans and their legal team plan to promote the auction vigorously. This week, attorneys set up a website, ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com, which features O.J.'s old book contract and the judge's order authorizing the auction. In addition, they are sending direct mail solicitations to 1,600 literary agents, publishing houses and movie companies"

newsoweek

[martin II]

tazzy hi

So now we can expect to see fred on LKL promoting the auction and maby the browns after him saying don't buy the book at auction as it is a money grab by fred.
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi

So now we can expect to see fred on LKL promoting the auction and maby the browns after him saying don't buy the book at auction as it is a money grab by fred.
martin II

you've posted that the story is not true so why are you so bothered about whether or not it's posted? In fact, weren't you the one whining that it was pulled while climbing the charts?

[martin II]

"Overzealous attempt to collect money"

The Brown Family

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

So now i guess you will agree that it was all about getting the money for fred regardless of where it came from.


"The Goldmans and their legal team plan to promote the auction vigorously. This week, attorneys set up a website, ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com, which features O.J.'s old book contract and the judge's order authorizing the auction. In addition, they are sending direct mail solicitations to 1,600 literary agents, publishing houses and movie companies"

newsoweek


Hi Martin,

I do not and never will believe that it is all about the money with Fred. I believe that his lawyer is behind this push for money. I saw a news clip about this and his lawyer was talking about getting money from OJ any way he could. When they asked Fred about it he wasn't happy about it. I believe the lawyer has convinced him that it is the right/smart move. Lawyers like to get paid.

Let me do say this.....I am disturbed that Fred would allow the book to be published. He has a different stand on this now. I do not see this as Fred only trying to get money. If OJ would have done it properly, Fred wouldn't be in this position. So, if you think anyone is doing anything wrong here you need to first look at your man. OJ created a false account to swindle the money to so that he could cheat and keep the money for more drugs, hookers and partying. If the money was for his children then the money would still be there. But, it is gone now.

The number one thing accomplished with this whole thing is that OJ will not be allowed to make any more money from this book. I am so glad for that! He admitted from the beginning that it was all about money. He seems to understand that he is a low life who will do anything for money. I just don't understand why his followers don't?? So, when you say that Fred is only after the money you should also include a phrase that says that OJ is definately only after the money. Even at his children's expense.

[tazzybaby]

"Overzealous attempt to collect money"

The Brown Family


“Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.”

The Brown Family

[Kayleighjo]

If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman. As long as OJ doesn't get to profit then I'm calling the day good.

It must irk him to have put effort into something that's going to result in money for Fred.

Sweet.

[martin II]

“Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.”

The Brown Family

tazzy hi

That is what the Browns said.They also said it was just a money grab by Fred and that they would advise people not to particiopate in the auction.

Do you know what part of the outrstanding $38,000,000 judgement is owed to the Browns??
martin II

[William Anthony]

If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman. As long as OJ doesn't get to profit then I'm calling the day good.

It must irk him to have put effort into something that's going to result in money for Fred.

Sweet.

I had the opportunity to see, on tape, the Goldmans in the audience near the beginning of the trial and I was amazed to see Mr. Goldman smiling. This is not a negative comment on Mr. Goldman, but it is a comment on how he perceived race as the paramount factor in the jury's verdict. The change in his demeanor was tremendous.

[weezer]

tazzy hi

That is what the Browns said.They also said it was just a money grab by Fred and that they would advise people not to particiopate in the auction.

Do you know what part of the outrstanding $38,000,000 judgement is owed to the Browns??
martin II

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I do not and never will believe that it is all about the money with Fred. I believe that his lawyer is behind this push for money. I saw a news clip about this and his lawyer was talking about getting money from OJ any way he could. When they asked Fred about it he wasn't happy about it. I believe the lawyer has convinced him that it is the right/smart move. Lawyers like to get paid.

Let me do say this.....I am disturbed that Fred would allow the book to be published. He has a different stand on this now. I do not see this as Fred only trying to get money. If OJ would have done it properly, Fred wouldn't be in this position. So, if you think anyone is doing anything wrong here you need to first look at your man. OJ created a false account to swindle the money to so that he could cheat and keep the money for more drugs, hookers and partying. If the money was for his children then the money would still be there. But, it is gone now.

The number one thing accomplished with this whole thing is that OJ will not be allowed to make any more money from this book. I am so glad for that! He admitted from the beginning that it was all about money. He seems to understand that he is a low life who will do anything for money. I just don't understand why his followers don't?? So, when you say that Fred is only after the money you should also include a phrase that says that OJ is definately only after the money. Even at his children's expense.

tazzy hi
you don't know if oj added to his childrens trust or not.
If he paid taxes on the house his children benefits.

Fred used oj as the culprit for getting people to protest against the book calling it trash and garbage.People responded and some were happy when H.C. said they destroyed all of the books so it could not be sold.

Fred was on LKL saying the book should not be sold as oj should not have the opportunbity to give his side of the story to the public.
Now Fred is saying the book should be sold because if people do buy it, it will help him get some money oj owes him. If the auction takes place, the money
will not come from oj. It will come from whoever buys the rights.

So yes, it was and is only about money. People that were against the book
in the beginning were experessing some moral support for fred because he had said it was NOT about the money.
Now we know it was about the money regardless of who it came from.
Freds lawyer only does what fred tells them to do. SO DON'T TRY TO SHIFT THE BLAME ONTO THE LAWYERS FOR FREDS DECISION to GRAB the money wherever it is.

OJ made it clear he did it for the money.Fred convinced you that it was not about the money. Now you see what it was about.
martin II

[martin II]

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

weezer


OJ has the manuscript or at least a copy. If he is hell bent on selling the book
there is not much that can keep it from being sold by underground publishers outside the U.S. That is big business and would be out of reach of the CA judge.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

[weezer]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

wonder who's paying for his and the girlfriend's drugs?

[martin II]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
Books are sold in places other than america. You are not considering what people outside the u.s.think about the case. There may be a hugh market for this book in other countries especially if it is underground and cheaper or on the net.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

OJ made it clear he did it for the money.Fred convinced you that it was not about the money. Now you see what it was about.
martin II

Just some more Fred Goldman bashing on your part for which I just consider the source!

First off, I think you need to ask all of us if "we care" what you think!

As long as OJ doesn't profit from the book, I will be very happy. For the Goldman's, I would buy the book and then set it on fire and watch it burn to h311 even if Fred, et al. only see a dime from each purchase of the book! Anything that I can do to show my support to the Goldman's, I will gladly do and then some!

However, the drug loving double-murderer and his even more drug loving despicable girlfriend can rot in h311 for all I care! It is sad that Sydney and Justin have such a disgusting role model for a Father!

:beer: YOU GO FRED, YOU ROCK! :beer:

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

tazzy hi

tazzy hi

The opinion that many americans have about the case is not necessaraly the opinion the people in other countries have. A book about oj promoted in some countries by oj would sell more than a book about oj promoted by fred.
But we will have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully fred will get money from the company that buys the rights and he will be satisfied to move on.
But it was always about the money, then and now. nothing else.
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi

tazzy hi

The opinion that many americans have about the case is not necessaraly the opinion the people in other countries have. A book about oj promoted in some countries by oj would sell more than a book about oj promoted by fred.
But we will have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully fred will get money from the company that buys the rights and he will be satisfied to move on.
But it was always about the money, then and now. nothing else.
martin II

From what I'm reading about it, I'm afraid orenthal may be more than a little disappointed in his "popularity" in other countries. Yes, hopefully Fred gets the money from any sale of the rights to the book -- don't you know that it will burn orenthal's backside? LOL

But it was always about the money for orenthal, then and now. Except for the murders of course -- that was all about control and rage.

[martin II]

From what I'm reading about it, I'm afraid orenthal may be more than a little disappointed in his "popularity" in other countries. Yes, hopefully Fred gets the money from any sale of the rights to the book -- don't you know that it will burn orenthal's backside? LOL

But it was always about the money for orenthal, then and now. Except for the murders of course -- that was all about control and rage.

weezer
You are reading the wrong informaiton.

MARTIN ii

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

I saw where you said it was unacceptable. But, how can you "understand" what "set him off" that night? The "reason" he went "off" is unacceptable to me also.

:shrug:


OJS was known to be jealous & have a quick temper, so I "understand" what set him off that nite based on what I am reading about his character..:read:

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:


again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.

[sassylassy]

You know what, I give the thanks back to you. Why? Because you're willing to be educated and that's a tough one because the cycle of violence can be really hard to understand if you've never been trapped in it.

My kids and I have moved on, but it's still a struggle. Even though my ex husband is dead there are still nights every now and then when I wake up in the dark scared that he's in my house.

I recognize Nicole's situation. The diary entries ring true. The safe deposit box that she left behind says it all. People think it sounds dramatic, but I believe that she knew he'd kill her.

Thanks for the nice post.

I do feel blessed that I am only learning about physical abuse in text & will never suffer what you & countless other women have suffered!

do you mind if I ask ...how did move on with your life?

I need a refresher on the diaries cuz I cant recall reading them (its been awhile)

do you (or anyone else ) recall how long Nicole had that safety deposit box?

I dont think its dramatic, I think its deep....

peace out to you & yours!

all imo moo :)

[sassylassy]

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????


I just cant compare todays actions to what happened 12 yrs ago ....

but I do agree (if these stories are true) that OJS behaviour & the company he keeps around his children is unaccepted.

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
you had asked if the Browns were included. NO is the answer and here are some comments by Denise.



"But Goldman now says his thinking has changed."

"Goldman’s decision angered the Browns, who have adamantly opposed the book’s publication. On Monday, Denise Brown and her family issued a strongly worded statement criticizing the potential publication. “The Goldmans' sudden reversal of positions to justify the auction of these rights and subsequent publication and [their assertion] that ‘the book’ is Simpson’s confession [reveals] their true motive, which is to collect money,” the Brown family statement read. “Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.” Calling the strategy “an overzealous pursuit to collect on the judgment,” the family encouraged people to “speak out against this auction.”

newsweek

I must say ITA with the Browns on this one!:read:

[sassylassy]

you've posted that the story is not true so why are you so bothered about whether or not it's posted? In fact, weren't you the one whining that it was pulled while climbing the charts?

anyone here is going to buy the book now & show your support to the Goldman's?:read:

[sassylassy]

snip****If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman.




I think that any money collected towards the judgement should be automatically divided to pay both parties.

its only fair ((imo)) :)

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
from memory, he was in new york and two other east coast cities. I know a friend invited him to visit on Long Island but not sure he made that visit.

martin II

Hi Martin
was the trip business or pleasure? :seeya:

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
when Harper collins intended to sell the book by Oj it was garbage and filth.

Now that fred thinks he will sell it, it is 'A confession" or a historical document
that Americans need to read.

martin II

I hear ya martin!

:beer:

[sassylassy]

Hi Martin,

I have seen a picture of him after the beating. And, I have seen the documents that he has regarding his filing the complaint.

I know that it is important for you not to believe the bag in the lake comment. But, it remains that there are two independent people who claim this. That bolsters that accusation. Does it "prove" it? No. But, I do believe it. You can't say it's a lie because you don't know.

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

[sassylassy]

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

I was thinking becuz of the huge outrage over the book in the first place,
say if the book doesn't sell at all....:shrug:

everyone that was involved in this project from the get go had their hands slapped publicly (Fox, Regan)....

but I guess time will tell .....very soon.......:read:

[martin II]

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

sassy
i think AC never made that statement.
It was the dumped porn star that claimed ac told her that after he asked her to leave. Mario made the claim, but WTH.
martin ii

[martin II]

I was thinking becuz of the huge outrage over the book in the first place,
say if the book doesn't sell at all....:shrug:

everyone that was involved in this project from the get go had their hands slapped publicly (Fox, Regan)....

but I guess time will tell .....very soon.......:read:

sassy
it is my opinion that we are not suppose to suggest that the book may not sell or that the Browns may be able to cause some not to bid on the book at auction. After all, it is our responsibility to ensure that fred gets paid.:lol:
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin
was the trip business or pleasure? :seeya:

sassy
i am not sure but most of his trips to New York were because of his work at NBC and other work related activities. I also remember that he may have played golf in Florida before comnming up east.
martin II

[martin II]

again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.


Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

sassy
i am not sure but most of his trips to New York were because of his work at NBC and other work related activities. I also remember that he may have played golf in Florida before comnming up east.
martin II

SASSY

PS
Remember that most of OJ's golf playing was business related.
martin II

[martin II]

snip****


I think that any money collected towards the judgement should be automatically divided to pay both parties.

its only fair ((imo)) :)

sassy hi
I agree.

Fred did not invite the browns to join in the suite. He sued only for fred.

When H.C. offered both famalies the profits from the sale of the book, the browns went on tv and rejected the offer as to them it was blood money and they did not want any of the money or the book published. For some reason, Fred was not vocal in the media about rejecting the money from the sale of the book.

But when the book first came out fred denounced it was garbage and trash by a *#@#$%^&^* and stated that no one needed to hear this crap from a double murder.

So i am assumming that the book that may be auctioned is the same book
that HC was planning to sell.

Fred sold the idea to the public that for him it was not about the money and
some in the public baught into this idea and supported the banning of the book. Now he is advertising to the business community and the general public
loking for auction bidders. :rolleyes:
martin II

[sassylassy]

Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

ITA :beer:

[tazzybaby]

again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.


Hi Sassy,

Name Calling.....
Yes, it is common for people to call each other names. But, to deliberately call someone names even though they express to you that it deeply hurts them is different. That is demeaning them and treating them like they are beneath you. That means that they don't care how you feel.

Excerpts from Nicole Brown Simpson's diary
"I wanted to be a wonderful wife...but you made me feel so ugly. You beat the holy hell out of me. ... I hated you so much."

"I just don't see how our stories compare -- I was so bad because I wore sweats, left shoes around plus I didn't keep a perfect house or comb my hair the way you liked it -- or had dinner ready at the precise moment you walked through the door, or that I just plain got on your nerves sometimes."

"I just don't see how that compares to infidelity, wife beating, verbal abuse -- I just don't think everybody goes through this."

"You're a fat pig, you're disgusting, you're a slob ... I want you out of my f---ing house. I want you to have an abortion. ... I have a gun in my hand right now. ... get the f--- out of here."

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-17/index.html

It is easy to take one instance and make it seem like no big deal or "normal". She wrote of death threats 9 days before she was murdered. This is how we know that it DID NOT STOP after 89. Abuse is not only physical. And, I don't understand how you keep saying 89 when it was just months before her death that he busted in her house??? It did not stop and him forcing his way in is proof.

Keeping from family or friends....
We have been discussing why. :shrug: He hung out with the husband of the person that she "couldn't" hang out with. It was okay when they were together but then it wasn't okay when he decided it wasn't? It's called control.

Money...
He didn't go to the IRS first because he wanted something to hold over her head. That speaks volumes to me. That is called control. If you want to play hard ball then I'll give it to you. What would have spoken volumes to me in his defense was him calling her and telling her. Not trying to scare her or force her.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
It was documented by Nicole. You can find all of this information in the civil trial. Have you ever read the depositions? Her diary entries were entered into evidence. Nine days before she died OJ threatened her. He threatened her by throwing her in jail for the IRS thing. He threatened to

Please read the depositions in the Civil Trial (that is my source for what you have been asking). And, try to have an open mind. The abuse that Nicole endured does not confirm that he killed her. It only confirms that he abused her. Nicole even knew that people wouldn't believe her.

[tazzybaby]

I just cant compare todays actions to what happened 12 yrs ago ....

but I do agree (if these stories are true) that OJS behaviour & the company he keeps around his children is unaccepted.

Hi Sassy,

The comparison is that he is doing the same thing that he freaked out on her about. It matters because he did it after he freaked out on her about it. Why is it okay for him to do it but not her? He used that as an excuse to force her to do what he wanted. He didn't really care about that because he did it himself later.

:no:

[tazzybaby]

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

[martin II]

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

tazzy
please show me ONE direct quote from Rocky Bateman where he said anything about he tossed a bag into a lake.
martin II

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

The comparison is that he is doing the same thing that he freaked out on her about. It matters because he did it after he freaked out on her about it. Why is it okay for him to do it but not her? He used that as an excuse to force her to do what he wanted. He didn't really care about that because he did it himself later.

:no:


you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

[sassylassy]

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

Porn is Porn (imo)....

but anyways I just asked if those were the 2 ppl you were talking about.....

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling.....
Yes, it is common for people to call each other names. But, to deliberately call someone names even though they express to you that it deeply hurts them is different. That is demeaning them and treating them like they are beneath you. That means that they don't care how you feel.

Excerpts from Nicole Brown Simpson's diary
"I wanted to be a wonderful wife...but you made me feel so ugly. You beat the holy hell out of me. ... I hated you so much."

"I just don't see how our stories compare -- I was so bad because I wore sweats, left shoes around plus I didn't keep a perfect house or comb my hair the way you liked it -- or had dinner ready at the precise moment you walked through the door, or that I just plain got on your nerves sometimes."

"I just don't see how that compares to infidelity, wife beating, verbal abuse -- I just don't think everybody goes through this."

"You're a fat pig, you're disgusting, you're a slob ... I want you out of my f---ing house. I want you to have an abortion. ... I have a gun in my hand right now. ... get the f--- out of here."

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-17/index.html

It is easy to take one instance and make it seem like no big deal or "normal". She wrote of death threats 9 days before she was murdered. This is how we know that it DID NOT STOP after 89. Abuse is not only physical. And, I don't understand how you keep saying 89 when it was just months before her death that he busted in her house??? It did not stop and him forcing his way in is proof.

Keeping from family or friends....
We have been discussing why. :shrug: He hung out with the husband of the person that she "couldn't" hang out with. It was okay when they were together but then it wasn't okay when he decided it wasn't? It's called control.

Money...
He didn't go to the IRS first because he wanted something to hold over her head. That speaks volumes to me. That is called control. If you want to play hard ball then I'll give it to you. What would have spoken volumes to me in his defense was him calling her and telling her. Not trying to scare her or force her.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
It was documented by Nicole. You can find all of this information in the civil trial. Have you ever read the depositions? Her diary entries were entered into evidence. Nine days before she died OJ threatened her. He threatened her by throwing her in jail for the IRS thing. He threatened to

Please read the depositions in the Civil Trial (that is my source for what you have been asking). And, try to have an open mind. The abuse that Nicole endured does not confirm that he killed her. It only confirms that he abused her. Nicole even knew that people wouldn't believe her.

I am confused, what you are quoting is a letter Nicole wrote to OJ...
when did that become Excerpt from her diary?....

There is another letter Nicole wrote OJS that is completely different from this one...I will try & find it!:read:

[martin II]

you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

sounds like oranges and okra to me. especially since no one has ever offered proof that KZ had ever been in oj's house with his pipe.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

LOL!! So, when two people are doing the same thing it is apples and oranges? Okay, sassy.

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

Porn is Porn (imo)....

but anyways I just asked if those were the 2 ppl you were talking about.....

True. Porn is porn. I can agree with that. However, there is a difference in the two.

But, I hope I answered your question.

:)

[tazzybaby]

I am confused, what you are quoting is a letter Nicole wrote to OJ...
when did that become Excerpt from her diary?....

There is another letter Nicole wrote OJS that is completely different from this one...I will try & find it!:read:

Here let me try this differently....

Nine days before she was slashed to death at her home, Nicole wrote in her diary that O.J. Simpson warned her: "You hang up on me last night, you're gonna pay for this, b----." She also wrote about Simpson's infidelity and the verbal abuse she suffered.

In the diary, she wrote that when she was two months pregnant with their son, Justin, O.J. Simpson called her a "fat pig." Jurors were told that Simpson called his pregnant wife a "fat pig," but were not told other things that Nicole Brown Simpson recorded in that diary entry, that Simpson demanded she have an abortion and aimed a gun at her.

It is a little confusing.

It's the same link though.

According to deposition transcript obtained on Friday and reported by The Associated Press, and confirmed by CNN on Saturday, Simpson was asked about entries that his ex-wife made in her diary.

On June 3, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson wrote in her diary that the ex-football star was angry and that she had hung up on him earlier.

In the following excerpt from the transcript, Simpson is questioned by Daniel Petrocelli, lawyer for the family of Ron Goldman, who was murdered along with Simpson's ex-wife.

PETROCELLI: "Did you say to her, when you came to see her on June 3 at 8:30 p.m. to pick up the kids, 'You hung up on me last night?' Did you say that to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're gonna pay for this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're holding money from the IRS?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're going to jail, you (expletives)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You think you can do any freaking thing' or something like that 'you want?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You've got it coming?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'I've already talked to my lawyers about this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "Did you say any of those things to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

But, check this one out....

In the criminal trial, prosecutors also tried to show that Simpson was obsessed with Nicole. But in deposition transcripts, Simpson denies being obsessed, but says, "I'm a controlling person, period."

"With Nicole?" Petrocelli asks.

"No."

He's controlling but not with Nicole??? Wth?

:shrug:

Here's the link for that one....

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9603/03/index.html

And, you don't have to find that other letter for me. I've read it many times. Here it is....

http://walraven.org/simpson/nbs-ojs.html

It is very common that abused women go back to their abusers and even believe that the abuse is their fault or that they caused it or that if they act better it won't happen. Typical abuse.

But, check this one out....

http://walraven.org/simpson/911-1993.html

You know how OJ says that the reason he went over to Nicoles and forced his way in and ranted and raved and scared the @hit out of Nicole was because of the kids?? Well, Nicole was begging for him to stop screaming and ranting and raving because of the kids. The only one who seemed to care about the kids then was Nicole. But, OJ's "excuse" for acting that way was because of the kids. Ironic.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

sounds like oranges and okra to me. especially since no one has ever offered proof that KZ had ever been in oj's house with his pipe.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Can you show me the proof that the people she was with were hookers?

:seeya:

[William Anthony]

Here let me try this differently....

Nine days before she was slashed to death at her home, Nicole wrote in her diary that O.J. Simpson warned her: "You hang up on me last night, you're gonna pay for this, b----." She also wrote about Simpson's infidelity and the verbal abuse she suffered.

In the diary, she wrote that when she was two months pregnant with their son, Justin, O.J. Simpson called her a "fat pig." Jurors were told that Simpson called his pregnant wife a "fat pig," but were not told other things that Nicole Brown Simpson recorded in that diary entry, that Simpson demanded she have an abortion and aimed a gun at her.

It is a little confusing.

It's the same link though.

According to deposition transcript obtained on Friday and reported by The Associated Press, and confirmed by CNN on Saturday, Simpson was asked about entries that his ex-wife made in her diary.

On June 3, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson wrote in her diary that the ex-football star was angry and that she had hung up on him earlier.

In the following excerpt from the transcript, Simpson is questioned by Daniel Petrocelli, lawyer for the family of Ron Goldman, who was murdered along with Simpson's ex-wife.

PETROCELLI: "Did you say to her, when you came to see her on June 3 at 8:30 p.m. to pick up the kids, 'You hung up on me last night?' Did you say that to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're gonna pay for this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're holding money from the IRS?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're going to jail, you (expletives)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You think you can do any freaking thing' or something like that 'you want?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You've got it coming?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'I've already talked to my lawyers about this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "Did you say any of those things to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

But, check this one out....

In the criminal trial, prosecutors also tried to show that Simpson was obsessed with Nicole. But in deposition transcripts, Simpson denies being obsessed, but says, "I'm a controlling person, period."

"With Nicole?" Petrocelli asks.

"No."

He's controlling but not with Nicole??? Wth?

:shrug:

Here's the link for that one....

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9603/03/index.html

And, you don't have to find that other letter for me. I've read it many times. Here it is....

http://walraven.org/simpson/nbs-ojs.html

It is very common that abused women go back to their abusers and even believe that the abuse is their fault or that they caused it or that if they act better it won't happen. Typical abuse.

But, check this one out....

http://walraven.org/simpson/911-1993.html

You know how OJ says that the reason he went over to Nicoles and forced his way in and ranted and raved and scared the @hit out of Nicole was because of the kids?? Well, Nicole was begging for him to stop screaming and ranting and raving because of the kids. The only one who seemed to care about the kids then was Nicole. But, OJ's "excuse" for acting that way was because of the kids. Ironic.

:shrug:

Terrfic TBaby,

I have recently reviewed the tapes in which the 911 call was played and it was clear that he responded that she did not care about what she was doing to her male companion in the living room. What prompted her to show concern about the children was when the 911 operator asked what he had just said. You could make out clearly what he said she was doing. Then, she showed concern about the children, which prompted him to repeat that she was not concerned about the children when she engaged in the activity in the livingroom.

[weezer]

Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

except that the professionals say abuse is about control and if orenthal had sent the letter to the IRS instead of using it to threaten Nicole, he would not have been in control.

[tazzybaby]

Terrfic TBaby,

I have recently reviewed the tapes in which the 911 call was played and it was clear that he responded that she did not care about what she was doing to her male companion in the living room. What prompted her to show concern about the children was when the 911 operator asked what he had just said. You could make out clearly what he said she was doing. Then, she showed concern about the children, which prompted him to repeat that she was not concerned about the children when she engaged in the activity in the livingroom.

Hi William!

I just reviewed them and your statement is untrue. She said that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. This is before OJ came back in and the operator asked what he had just said. You can make it out clearly.

Here is a link for everyone to hear it....

http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/simpson/

:seeya:

[William Anthony]

Hi William!

I just reviewed them and your statement is untrue. She said that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. This is before OJ came back in and the operator asked what he had just said. You can make it out clearly.

Here is a link for everyone to hear it....

http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/simpson/

:seeya:

Terrific TBaby,

I was talking about on the video tapes I have of the trial, not the tapes of the 911 call. I can hear him saying those things when he was talking with Kato, before she mentioned the kids. I apologize for not making clear which tapes of which I spoke. Don't run off so quickly.

[tazzybaby]

Terrific TBaby,

I was talking about on the video tapes I have of the trial, not the tapes of the 911 call. I can hear him saying those things when he was talking with Kato, before she mentioned the kids. I apologize for not making clear which tapes of which I spoke. Don't run off so quickly.

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

:cool:

[martin II]

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

:cool:

tazzy hi
We all know that oj went to GG , kicked the door in and started yelling.
Nicole became upset and called 911. Kato was there and oj was yeling and talking to him also. OJ did not threaten to attack her and did not hit her.
He stayed until the cops came and they found no reason to lock him or nicole up.
So what does this have to do with whether he killed her or not.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
We all know that oj went to GG , kicked the door in and started yelling.
Nicole became upset and called 911. Kato was there and oj was yeling and talking to him also. OJ did not threaten to attack her and did not hit her.
He stayed until the cops came and they found no reason to lock him or nicole up.
So what does this have to do with whether he killed her or not.
martin II

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

:no:

[William Anthony]

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

:cool:

They called the operator to the stand and played the call. He was inside the house talking to Kato and he also pounded on a locked bedroom door. I could clearly him describe Nicole's activities to Kato, and, I believe she may have become concerned that the operator would hear, which I believe she did.

[martin II]

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

:no:

tazzy hi
Oj went to GG and acted out. Regardles of how upset Nicole was. He did not hit or threaten her. You and I don't know the details of the argument other than what out siders have reported.

He was not pleased that Nicole had a party in the house with prostitutes and known drug addicts present and he told her so. He also told her about what he saw her doing in the living room with KZ the same guy that was a the party.

What does this incident have to do with whether oj killed nicole or not.NOTHING.

martin II

[martin II]

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

:no:

tazzy hi
i think oj was yelling about nicole having a party with prostitutes and addicts in the house while the kids were there. I think that is a little different than him in the house yelling while the kids were up stairs.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

tazzy hi
i think oj was yelling about nicole having a party with prostitutes and addicts in the house while the kids were there. I think that is a little different than him in the house yelling while the kids were up stairs.

martin II

If this post is not enough to get Tazzy to stop posting to you PERIOD, I don't know what is! Good gawd! GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!

[Suzee10]

except that the professionals say abuse is about control and if orenthal had sent the letter to the IRS instead of using it to threaten Nicole, he would not have been in control.

That is what the entire thing was all about. simpson had lost control of Nicole and he did not like it. The final act of control of a batterer is murder.

[Suzee10]

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

:no:


Tazzy he was never concerned about the kids. He showed that when he left their mom slashed to death where they could have easily found her body at the bottom of the steps. His concern was always about him.

[Suzee10]

tazzy hi
i think oj was yelling about nicole having a party with prostitutes and addicts in the house while the kids were there. I think that is a little different than him in the house yelling while the kids were up stairs.

martin II


What are you talking about????? There were never any of the things you are talking about, only in simpsons dreams.

[tazzybaby]

They called the operator to the stand and played the call. He was inside the house talking to Kato and he also pounded on a locked bedroom door. I could clearly him describe Nicole's activities to Kato, and, I believe she may have become concerned that the operator would hear, which I believe she did.


Hi William!

Yes, I saw all of that! Poor Nicole! I clearly heard the same things that you mention. But, what you are talking about happened AFTER she voiced concern for the kids. Did they start the call (on the video tape you have) when the 911 operator answered the call? I thought they didn't allow the jury to hear where Nicole voiced that OJ was going to beat the sh#t out of her. Please listen to the link that I provided. It clearly shows that Nicole voiced concern for the kids BEFORE OJ can be heard at all.

Are you trying to insinuate that she said that on purpose and was trying to cover something? You say that she became concerned that the operator would hear? You think that Nicole was being devious with this call? I don't get that at all. I get that she is just keeping her mouth shut so as to not provoke him any more. She was begging with him to keep it down.

[Kayleighjo]

They called the operator to the stand and played the call. He was inside the house talking to Kato and he also pounded on a locked bedroom door. I could clearly him describe Nicole's activities to Kato, and, I believe she may have become concerned that the operator would hear, which I believe she did.

What part of this is so apparently freaking hard to understand?! Listen to the tapes. When she first called 911, OJ Simpson was OUTSIDE yelling. Nicole is the first one to have mentioned the kids and it was Nicole herself that told the dispatcher that he was yelling about hookers and Keith. THEN OJ came inside and started yelling.

Listen to her voice William, she's clearly scared and clearly afraid he's going to beat her up. Pay attention to her words when she tells the dispather "He's OJ Simpson, I think you know his record".

Swear to God I'm going to end up sticking you into the same group as martin ... that would be the group that always finds fault with Nicole and exonerates the man who made her life hell.

[martin II]

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

:no:

Tazzy hi

I listened to your tape.
It took le a long time to get there.
OJ was talking loud enough for the children to hear him. He was first out side and then inside but Nicole said he was standing at the back door.I thinK.
I noticed that Nicole was freaking out at the beginning of the call, fear. But she seemed to quickly calm down some as the conversation continued with the operator and oj stayed near the back door.(from the sound of his voice)
When he yelled about that guy or something about the party/people Nicole told him to calm down or not so loud something like that.she did not seem to be freaking at that time.
Nicole said he was not drugged or drunk and did not have a weapon.Just yelling and talking to kato.Nicole said he did not know she was talking to the police.
Nicole said he did not threaten her and did not hit her.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy hi

I listened to your tape.
It took le a long time to get there.
OJ was talking loud enough for the children to hear him. He was first out side and then inside but Nicole said he was standing at the back door.I thinK.
I noticed that Nicole was freaking out at the beginning of the call, fear. But she seemed to quickly calm down some as the conversation continued with the operator and oj stayed near the back door.(from the sound of his voice)
When he yelled about that guy or something about the party/people Nicole told him to calm down or not so loud something like that.she did not seem to be freaking at that time.
Nicole said he was not drugged or drunk and did not have a weapon.Just yelling and talking to kato.Nicole said he did not know she was talking to the police.
Nicole said he did not threaten her and did not hit her.
martin II

Martin,

The "whole conversation" I was speaking of was the one I was having with William. The conversation was about when she voiced concern for the kids. And the fact that OJ didn't seem concerned about the kids when he was on a rampage. He only cared about what Nicole did. He didnt' care about how his actions of screaming at and frightening their mother would affect them or waking them to a scarry scene could affect them either. He can't say it was about the kids then not care how he himself affects them. His claim of it being about the kids is now void.

[William Anthony]

What part of this is so apparently freaking hard to understand?! Listen to the tapes. When she first called 911, OJ Simpson was OUTSIDE yelling. Nicole is the first one to have mentioned the kids and it was Nicole herself that told the dispatcher that he was yelling about hookers and Keith. THEN OJ came inside and started yelling.

Listen to her voice William, she's clearly scared and clearly afraid he's going to beat her up. Pay attention to her words when she tells the dispather "He's OJ Simpson, I think you know his record".

Swear to God I'm going to end up sticking you into the same group as martin ... that would be the group that always finds fault with Nicole and exonerates the man who made her life hell.

I am not finding fault with anyone and sometimes group thinking, depending on the group, can be productive. Some group thinking only breeds arrogance, rudeness and contempt. I am not blaming Nicole, because she was a consenting adult free to engage in whatever. I heard Simpson yelling to Kato about the fact of what she was doing with the kids in the house. I am not saying that Nicole was not frightened or that she was wrong for what she did.

It was after he yelled what she did that she asked him to quiet down for the kids. Were they both wrong-I do not know. There was a locked bedroom door on which he pounded. Was there a man in there-I do not know.

I heard her mention his record, but there was evidence of a few incidents in the trial. Were there more-I do not know. Is one too many-yes. However, there was a point when she wanted to get off the phone and the operator told her to stay on until the police arrived.

Do spouses yell, scream and anger one another-yes. Does that mean that one must kill the other-I do not think it does. I think that adults often make poor decisions and act assimilate the behavior of the children they are attempting to raise.

[martin II]

Martin,

The "whole conversation" I was speaking of was the one I was having with William. The conversation was about when she voiced concern for the kids. And the fact that OJ didn't seem concerned about the kids when he was on a rampage. He only cared about what Nicole did. He didnt' care about how his actions of screaming at and frightening their mother would affect them or waking them to a scarry scene could affect them either. He can't say it was about the kids then not care how he himself affects them. His claim of it being about the kids is now void.

tazzy hi

oj acted badly with the yelling. He did not seem to be concerned about waking up the kids. That is one issue. The other issue is he was pissed as a result of nicole having a party with prostutites ans drug people in the house when the kids were there.This is a valid reason for him to confront her.
It seems like some people called oj and told him about the party as it sounded like he said something about ALL WEEKEND he had to put up with this s*** about what she had done.
I do believe when he was talking about the oral sex she told him to quite down so that the operator could not hear this. But after the first few minutes she seemed to be calm and matter of fact.

It was a mistake for him to do the yelling and a mistake for her to have the party with the kids there.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

*big sigh*

I know what I hear and I know when and what was said. Nicole says he just drove up again (at 16 seconds into the call). So, you can't hear OJ saying anything because he's not in range yet. He's in the process of coming up to the house. At 46 seconds into the call Nicole says you're going to hear him in a minute because he's going to be coming in. At 49 seconds into the call she says he's going to beat the sh#t out of me. At 1:05 minutes into the call Nicole states that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. OJ is still not audible yet. At 1:32 Nicole asks the operator if she can hear him outside. At 2:00 minutes into the call Nicole tells the operator that he is in the backyard screaming about her. At 2:25 into the call she tells the operator that he is talking about Some guys she knows, hookers and keith. You still cannot understand OJ although there is faint yelling in the background. At 2:44 into the call Nicole says that she doesn't want her kids exposed to this. At 3:21 into the call you can hear OJ for the first time. At 4:59 into the call is when Nicole says....OJ, please the kids are sleeping. OJ responds with you didn't give a sh#t about the kids when you were f###### Keith in the living room. I think this is when you were saying that she didn't want the operator to hear but the operator is busy talking to the dispatcher. At 8:54 into the call is when he talks about reading about this bull#@*! all weekend in the National Enquirer.

Nuff said.

(if you want to dispute please put the time so that we can all hear for ourselves)

[William Anthony]

*big sigh*

I know what I hear and I know when and what was said. Nicole says he just drove up again (at 16 seconds into the call). So, you can't hear OJ saying anything because he's not in range yet. He's in the process of coming up to the house. At 46 seconds into the call Nicole says you're going to hear him in a minute because he's going to be coming in. At 49 seconds into the call she says he's going to beat the sh#t out of me. At 1:05 minutes into the call Nicole states that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. OJ is still not audible yet. At 1:32 Nicole asks the operator if she can hear him outside. At 2:00 minutes into the call Nicole tells the operator that he is in the backyard screaming about her. At 2:25 into the call she tells the operator that he is talking about Some guys she knows, hookers and keith. You still cannot understand OJ although there is faint yelling in the background. At 2:44 into the call Nicole says that she doesn't want her kids exposed to this. At 3:21 into the call you can hear OJ for the first time. At 4:59 into the call is when Nicole says....OJ, please the kids are sleeping. OJ responds with you didn't give a sh#t about the kids when you were f###### Keith in the living room. I think this is when you were saying that she didn't want the operator to hear but the operator is busy talking to the dispatcher. At 8:54 into the call is when he talks about reading about this bull#@*! all weekend in the National Enquirer.

Nuff said.

(if you want to dispute please put the time so that we can all hear for ourselves)

Terrific TBaby,

I do not have the times, as I was speaking about my tapes of the call from the trial. I heard him tell Kato what she was doing. I cannot help what the transcript says.

[martin II]

*big sigh*

I know what I hear and I know when and what was said. Nicole says he just drove up again (at 16 seconds into the call). So, you can't hear OJ saying anything because he's not in range yet. He's in the process of coming up to the house. At 46 seconds into the call Nicole says you're going to hear him in a minute because he's going to be coming in. At 49 seconds into the call she says he's going to beat the sh#t out of me. At 1:05 minutes into the call Nicole states that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. OJ is still not audible yet. At 1:32 Nicole asks the operator if she can hear him outside. At 2:00 minutes into the call Nicole tells the operator that he is in the backyard screaming about her. At 2:25 into the call she tells the operator that he is talking about Some guys she knows, hookers and keith. You still cannot understand OJ although there is faint yelling in the background. At 2:44 into the call Nicole says that she doesn't want her kids exposed to this. At 3:21 into the call you can hear OJ for the first time. At 4:59 into the call is when Nicole says....OJ, please the kids are sleeping. OJ responds with you didn't give a sh#t about the kids when you were f###### Keith in the living room. I think this is when you were saying that she didn't want the operator to hear but the operator is busy talking to the dispatcher. At 8:54 into the call is when he talks about reading about this bull#@*! all weekend in the National Enquirer.

Nuff said.

(if you want to dispute please put the time so that we can all hear for ourselves)

tazzy hi
for some reason you left out the part where the operator ask her is he on drugs and she says NO, is he drinking she says BO, twoice does he have a weapon , she says NO. did he threaten you NO did he hit you No is he comming at you NO, he is in at the back door(or the yard talking to Kato. is he arguing with the friend absolutely not.

When he yells about keith then she says oj be quite, she did not want to op0erator to hear what HE was yelling.

one thing is for sure oj had no intention of hurting nicole. He was pissed about the party and the National Inuirer, HIS REPUTATION WHICH IS HIS IN COME WHICH SUPPORTS THEM ALL. He could not afford to have this kind of crap in the gossip papers.

If nicole had acted with half a brain the party would not have been at her house.Period.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Martin,

You are just trying to argue. And, you haven't been paying attention. The discussion that me and William were having was in regards to the kids. I have ears and I know what was said. I posted the link so everyone else knows what was said. I pointed out the things that me and William were talking about. And, please tell me at what time on the call that the things you said happened.

I don't care what you think about OJ not going to hurt Nicole or that she said he didn't hit her or didn't have a weapon. It's sad that she had to call 911 anyways. OJ was going f*#$%@! nuts. She was scared that he was going to hurt her. She knew all too well what he was capable of. Poor thing. No matter what party she had and with whomever he still DOES NOT have the right to terrorize her. And, if he had a good reason to gripe her out "because of the kids" then why wouldn't he care about the kids? He didn't. You will go to the end of the world to take up for your wife abusing, cheating, lying and drug abusing OJ.

Please prove that they were even hookers. That's OJ's accusation.

[Kayleighjo]

tazzy hi
for some reason you left out the part where the operator ask her is he on drugs and she says NO, is he drinking she says BO, twoice does he have a weapon , she says NO. did he threaten you NO did he hit you No is he comming at you NO, he is in at the back door(or the yard talking to Kato. is he arguing with the friend absolutely not.

When he yells about keith then she says oj be quite, she did not want to op0erator to hear what HE was yelling.

one thing is for sure oj had no intention of hurting nicole. He was pissed about the party and the National Inuirer, HIS REPUTATION WHICH IS HIS IN COME WHICH SUPPORTS THEM ALL. He could not afford to have this kind of crap in the gossip papers.

If nicole had acted with half a brain the party would not have been at her house.Period.
martin II

First of all, why don't you stop offering only the bits of the call that you feel help out your hero and talk about the following:

Dispatcher: Has he threatened you?
Nicole: (She does NOT say yes or no) she just says "he's F'ing going nuts"

Dispatcher: Do you think he's gonna hit you:
Nicole: I DON'T KNOW

Dispatcher: Just stay on the line
Nicole: I don't want to stay on the line ... he's going to beat the Sh*t out of me.

Dispatcher (later in the call): Do you still think he's gonna hit you?
Nicole: I DON'T KNOW


HE WAS RAGING LIKE AN ABSOLUTE PYSCHOTIC and yet supposedly HE'S the only one concerned about the kids while Nicole apparently didn't have "half a brain".

You're a sicko martin. An absolute twisted, sick, and disgusting man to put this all on Nicole. And you know what, I don't even care if I get banned for saying that because it's necessary and truthful and totally worth it.

P.S. If he cared about his rep he shouldn't have beaten up his wife and then murdered two people.

[martin II]

Martin,

You are just trying to argue. And, you haven't been paying attention. The discussion that me and William were having was in regards to the kids. I have ears and I know what was said. I posted the link so everyone else knows what was said. I pointed out the things that me and William were talking about. And, please tell me at what time on the call that the things you said happened.

I don't care what you think about OJ not going to hurt Nicole or that she said he didn't hit her or didn't have a weapon. It's sad that she had to call 911 anyways. OJ was going f*#$%@! nuts. She was scared that he was going to hurt her. She knew all too well what he was capable of. Poor thing. No matter what party she had and with whomever he still DOES NOT have the right to terrorize her. And, if he had a good reason to gripe her out "because of the kids" then why wouldn't he care about the kids? He didn't. You will go to the end of the world to take up for your wife abusing, cheating, lying and drug abusing OJ.

Please prove that they were even hookers. That's OJ's accusation.


tazzy hi
see cora's and faye's testimony.

Are you saying that the operator did not ask Nicole those things about oj and she responded NO.?

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Martin,

You are just trying to argue. And, you haven't been paying attention. The discussion that me and William were having was in regards to the kids. I have ears and I know what was said. I posted the link so everyone else knows what was said. I pointed out the things that me and William were talking about. And, please tell me at what time on the call that the things you said happened.

I don't care what you think about OJ not going to hurt Nicole or that she said he didn't hit her or didn't have a weapon. It's sad that she had to call 911 anyways. OJ was going f*#$%@! nuts. She was scared that he was going to hurt her. She knew all too well what he was capable of. Poor thing. No matter what party she had and with whomever he still DOES NOT have the right to terrorize her. And, if he had a good reason to gripe her out "because of the kids" then why wouldn't he care about the kids? He didn't. You will go to the end of the world to take up for your wife abusing, cheating, lying and drug abusing OJ.

Please prove that they were even hookers. That's OJ's accusation.

TAZZY HI

It seems to me that every single thing that oj did or said has caused you to label it ABUSE. If he supported her it was for control, If he did not like her picking up strange men for sex , it was because he was jelous, If he was not pleased with her life style it was because he wanted her with him. Nicole did not deserve to be killed for anything or anyreason , BUT, she was never all that. she had enough warts also. There was no angel in that relationship.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin,

You are just trying to argue. And, you haven't been paying attention. The discussion that me and William were having was in regards to the kids. I have ears and I know what was said. I posted the link so everyone else knows what was said. I pointed out the things that me and William were talking about. And, please tell me at what time on the call that the things you said happened.

I don't care what you think about OJ not going to hurt Nicole or that she said he didn't hit her or didn't have a weapon. It's sad that she had to call 911 anyways. OJ was going f*#$%@! nuts. She was scared that he was going to hurt her. She knew all too well what he was capable of. Poor thing. No matter what party she had and with whomever he still DOES NOT have the right to terrorize her. And, if he had a good reason to gripe her out "because of the kids" then why wouldn't he care about the kids? He didn't. You will go to the end of the world to take up for your wife abusing, cheating, lying and drug abusing OJ.

Please prove that they were even hookers. That's OJ's accusation.

tazzy hi
i will say it again. oj should not have been yelling at nicole to freak her out.
the operator became concerned and asked her DID HE THREATEN YOU? SHE SAID no.DOES HE HAVE A WEAPON ? NO. IS HE NEAR YOU" NO HE IS IN THE YARD/BACK DOOR YELLING AT MY FRIEND. IS HE DRUNK NO. IS HE ON DRUGS NO.
NOW i heard this on the tape you gave the link to labeled nicoles 911 call.
Is that the correct tape??
martin II

[William Anthony]

First of all, why don't you stop offering only the bits of the call that you feel help out your hero and talk about the following:

Dispatcher: Has he threatened you?
Nicole: (She does NOT say yes or no) she just says "he's F'ing going nuts"

Dispatcher: Do you think he's gonna hit you:
Nicole: I DON'T KNOW

Dispatcher: Just stay on the line
Nicole: I don't want to stay on the line ... he's going to beat the Sh*t out of me.

Dispatcher (later in the call): Do you still think he's gonna hit you?
Nicole: I DON'T KNOW


HE WAS RAGING LIKE AN ABSOLUTE PYSCHOTIC and yet supposedly HE'S the only one concerned about the kids while Nicole apparently didn't have "half a brain".

You're a sicko martin. An absolute twisted, sick, and disgusting man to put this all on Nicole. And you know what, I don't even care if I get banned for saying that because it's necessary and truthful and totally worth it.

P.S. If he cared about his rep he shouldn't have beaten up his wife and then murdered two people.

I agree that he should never have struck his wife, but I disagree that he can or ever will be found guilty of the murders for which he was tried and found not guilty.

[martin II]

TAZZY HI

I will say this again
I don't think oj should have been at her house yelling and freaking her out.
I don't think he should have ever hit her. It is easier to walk away.
This maby could have been discussed on the phone.

I listened to your tape again.

he is going to beat the crap out of me.
did he hit you today no
is he going to hit you i don't know
is he drinking no
is he on drugs no
does he have a weapon no

Where is he/ back door back yard.
Who is he talking to? my friend.
Is he arguimg with your friend. absolutely not.
What is he yelling about some hookers -------
can kids hear him yelling i don't know

When he comes inside and is yelling about reading stuff in the Enquirer
she tell him to be quite or oj the kids are sleep.

I don't know why oj was banging on another bedroom door.

That said i don't agree that this situaiton in 1993 at GG caused oj to kill nicole at bundy. I don't believe that every argument between two lovers end in the man killing the woman.

ps
i think it was a friend of robin greer that told oj about the party in the first place.
i will look for it.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

I agree that he should never have struck his wife, but I disagree that he can or ever will be found guilty of the murders for which he was tried and found not guilty.

In a courtroom no, but he's been found guilty in the eyes of most of the people who used to worship him. His endorsements and reputation went right down the tubes. He'll never get it back, even though he was dumb enough to actually think he could.

Guess if he had half a brain he would have simply stuck to wagging his big head around television while doing his sports commentary and allowed the public to continue to believe that he's an All American Hero.

[William Anthony]

In a courtroom no, but he's been found guilty in the eyes of most of the people who used to worship him. His endorsements and reputation went right down the tubes. He'll never get it back, even though he was dumb enough to actually think he could.

Guess if he had half a brain he would have simply stuck to wagging his big head around television while doing his sports commentary and allowed the public to continue to believe that he's an All American Hero.

I have never worshiped him. I recognize his All American status, which has not been taken away. The stigma attached, by those who cannot accept the verdict in the criminal trial and point to the civil trial as retribution, has damaged his reputation, rightly or wrongly.

I think the size of his head had little to do with his apperance on camera and I can only point to the sports announcer that was convicted of rape but was allowed to continue as a sports broadcaster. I am sorry but his name escapes me. I am certain he was White.

[Jayme K]

I have never worshiped him. I recognize his All American status, which has not been taken away. The stigma attached, by those who cannot accept the verdict in the criminal trial and point to the civil trial as retribution, has damaged his reputation, rightly or wrongly.

I think the size of his head had little to do with his apperance on camera and I can only point to the sports announcer that was convicted of rape but was allowed to continue as a sports broadcaster. I am sorry but his name escapes me. I am certain he was White.

Hinting at the racial injustices are we?

I thought the big wagging head comment was kind of funny, I never really paid it much attention but when I think about it it's true.

But I digress. Racial injustices, yeah the black people sure came out swinging when Darden took his seat at the prosecution table. Poor guy gets labled an Uncle Tom for doing his job, and a juror gets dismissed for complaining that a black juror said to another that this trial was "payback time".

I just shake my head at the realization that it's 07 and we've still got people who want to protect their own regardless of the rights or wrongs. A thug is a thug and they come in all racial makeups but everything gets turned into a racial issue.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I just shake my head at the realization that it's 07 and we've still got people who want to protect their own regardless of the rights or wrongs. A thug is a thug and they come in all racial makeups but everything gets turned into a racial issue.

:beer: I couldn't agree more....

[socaldiva]

*snip*
That said i don't agree that this situaiton in 1993 at GG caused oj to kill nicole at bundy. I don't believe that every argument between two lovers end in the man killing the woman.


No one said that "this situaiton in 1993 at GG caused oj to kill Nicole at Bundy". Good grief!!!

[martin II]

Hinting at the racial injustices are we?

I thought the big wagging head comment was kind of funny, I never really paid it much attention but when I think about it it's true.

But I digress. Racial injustices, yeah the black people sure came out swinging when Darden took his seat at the prosecution table. Poor guy gets labled an Uncle Tom for doing his job, and a juror gets dismissed for complaining that a black juror said to another that this trial was "payback time".

I just shake my head at the realization that it's 07 and we've still got people who want to protect their own regardless of the rights or wrongs. A thug is a thug and they come in all racial makeups but everything gets turned into a racial issue.

Jayme

I don't think EVERYTHING gets turned into a racial issue. But what i do undrstand is that some people refuse to talk about racism even when it is evident that it exist.
martin II

[socaldiva]

Jayme

I don't think EVERYTHING gets turned into a racial issue. But what i do undrstand is that some people refuse to talk about racism even when it is evident that it exist.
martin II

This trial got turned into a racial issue. Just because someone doesn't buy into what you toss out, doesn't mean they "refuse to talk about it", it means they don't think it applies in this case.

[Jayme K]

Jayme

I don't think EVERYTHING gets turned into a racial issue. But what i do undrstand is that some people refuse to talk about racism even when it is evident that it exist.
martin II

Really?

Well, I'll tell you why you don't find most white people talking about racism and it's because as soon as we do we're being called racist ... unless of course we agree with the notion that the theme of the day is "Everyone against Blacks" ... then everything is fine and dandy.

[2L8 4A D8]

Really?

Well, I'll tell you why you don't find most white people talking about racism and it's because as soon as we do we're being called racist ... unless of course we agree with the notion that the theme of the day is "Everyone against Blacks" ... then everything is fine and dandy.

:beer: Another Excellent Post! ITA!

[martin II]

Really?

Well, I'll tell you why you don't find most white people talking about racism and it's because as soon as we do we're being called racist ... unless of course we agree with the notion that the theme of the day is "Everyone against Blacks" ... then everything is fine and dandy.


Jayme

From your statement i guess i am to assume that most white people told you that as you did not offer that info as YOUR OPINION.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

Jayme

From your statement i guess i am to assume that most white people told you that as you did not offer that info as YOUR OPINION.

martin II

She doesn't have to. It is your choice whether to believe her or not believe her or whether it was her opinion or not her opinion. She doesn't have to do anything, supply Links, NOTHING! Duh!

I certainly don't see IMO, JMO, MOO, IMHO in your post above. But that's okay because I don't believe anything that you say even if you put IMO, JMO, MOO, IMHO in your posts!

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

Jayme

From your statement i guess i am to assume that most white people told you that as you did not offer that info as YOUR OPINION.

martin II

Do you really need everything spelled out for you? :rolleyes:

[2L8 4A D8]

Do you really need everything spelled out for you? :rolleyes:

God it gets tiring Diva! As usual, this is The OJ Simpson Trial 101 and we're all in kindergarten again ~ ad nauseum! IMO! :mad:

[William Anthony]

Hinting at the racial injustices are we?

I thought the big wagging head comment was kind of funny, I never really paid it much attention but when I think about it it's true.

But I digress. Racial injustices, yeah the black people sure came out swinging when Darden took his seat at the prosecution table. Poor guy gets labled an Uncle Tom for doing his job, and a juror gets dismissed for complaining that a black juror said to another that this trial was "payback time".

I just shake my head at the realization that it's 07 and we've still got people who want to protect their own regardless of the rights or wrongs. A thug is a thug and they come in all racial makeups but everything gets turned into a racial issue.

I am sorry that you feel that everything gets turned into a racial issue. However, until the words in the preamble are upheld and American treats Whites differently from Blacks, then the issue remains. I only pointed to the disimilarity in treatment between Simpon and, I beleve, Marv Albert.

Yes, you are right that Marv was protected regardless of his wrongs.

[Jayme K]

Jayme

From your statement i guess i am to assume that most white people told you that as you did not offer that info as YOUR OPINION.

martin II

Going to get petty are we? Sounds like the racial issue hits a sour note with you mmm?

Don't despair martin, but thank you for proving my point.

[William Anthony]

Going to get petty are we? Sounds like the racial issue hits a sour note with you mmm?

Don't despair martin, but thank you for proving my point.

What about my point?

[Jayme K]

I am sorry that you feel that everything gets turned into a racial issue. However, until the words in the preamble are upheld and American treats Whites differently from Blacks, then the issue remains. I only pointed to the disimilarity in treatment between Simpon and, I beleve, Marv Albert.

Yes, you are right that Marv was protected regardless of his wrongs.

You should feel more sorry for the fact that everything gets turned into a racial issue.

You're going to continue to thumb your nose at Whitey for all of the injustices in the world huh? I suggest you walk a mile and realize that injustices happen for more than just blacks. Does it bother you that Hilary Clinton is an amazing woman and politician yet more than likely won't stand a chance at Presidency because America just isn't ready for a woman to run the show? It hacks me off, and I don't accept it either but I don't point the finger of blame at every man I see for it.

Ah yes, good ole Marv Albert ... is he the shoulder biter? I bet he'd be thrilled to join your OJ fanclub, you should dial him up.

[Jayme K]

What about my point?

Take it easy William, I was getting there.

See? I already responded ... just lookit, it's there.

[William Anthony]

You should feel more sorry for the fact that everything gets turned into a racial issue.

You're going to continue to thumb your nose at Whitey for all of the injustices in the world huh? I suggest you walk a mile and realize that injustices happen for more than just blacks. Does it bother you that Hilary Clinton is an amazing woman and politician yet more than likely won't stand a chance at Presidency because America just isn't ready for a woman to run the show? It hacks me off, and I don't accept it either but I don't point the finger of blame at every man I see for it.

Ah yes, good ole Marv Albert ... is he the shoulder biter? I bet he'd be thrilled to join your OJ fanclub, you should dial him up.

I think you misunderstood my post. I do not think everything gets turned into a racial issue and I feel that discrimination in any form is intolerable, so long as the words in the Preamble, "with liberty and justice for all", are not upheld.

Many have wanted to blame race as the deciding issue in the criminal trial, without looking at the prosecution's failure to prove its case. I pointed to Albert as a symbol of how America treats Blacks and Whites differently. Simpson was proven not guilty but bears the brunt of society's rebuke, but Albert does not. The MF is free to write books, whereas, Simpson is not.

Does that mean that I agree Simpson should wrote the book-no? Does that mean that I agree that the MF should be writing books-no?

[martin II]

Jayme

before you arrived on the thread with your "OUTRAGEOUS" theories there was no discussion of race. Through your comments you do seem to have slipped it in. If that is your subject of choice, there is a thread titled 'Race in the CJS". i wil be willing to meet you there to discuss whatever you want to vent about concerning race.
martin II

[weezer]

I am sorry that you feel that everything gets turned into a racial issue. However, until the words in the preamble are upheld and American treats Whites differently from Blacks, then the issue remains. I only pointed to the disimilarity in treatment between Simpon and, I beleve, Marv Albert.

Yes, you are right that Marv was protected regardless of his wrongs.

wouldn't a better comparison have been Albert and Kobe? I mean, don't you think it's better if we compare apples to apples? Since Albert and/or Kobe were not charged with double murder, I think it's kind of mean to put them in the same category as orenthal.

[weezer]

Jayme

before you arrived on the thread with your "OUTRAGEOUS" theories there was no discussion of race. Through your comments you do seem to have slipped it in. If that is your subject of choice, there is a thread titled 'Race in the CJS". i wil be willing to meet you there to discuss whatever you want to vent about concerning race.
martin II

LOL -- if you and william posted on this thread, there was discussion of race.

[martin II]

LOL -- if you and william posted on this thread, there was discussion of race.

wezer
your post are still uninformed. You make more undercover remarks with racial connotations than most here. imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

wezer
your post are still uninformed. You make more undercover remarks with racial connotations than most here. imo
martin II

Rubbish. Fbg isn't the one that's obsessed with race. WTH are "undercover remarks"? :rolleyes:

[martin II]

wouldn't a better comparison have been Albert and Kobe? I mean, don't you think it's better if we compare apples to apples? Since Albert and/or Kobe were not charged with double murder, I think it's kind of mean to put them in the same category as orenthal.

WEEZER
I think the issue was that Alpert and OJ were both sports commentators on major sports networks.The public outcry against both were very different.

Alpert raped a woman in a hotel and was suspended from broadcating for a few months and was allowed to continue his broadcasting career.

OJ was charged with murder and found not guilty in a criminal trial and was never allowed to resume his broadcasting career.

Double standard.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

Rubbish. Fbg isn't the one that's obsessed with race. WTH are "undercover remarks"? :rolleyes:

ITA! Rubbish, BIG TIME! They've done nothing but scream holy hell from Day 1 about how MF is such a blatant racist, but now, it's not that at all, it's really just the Preamble! GMAB!

The both of them are constantly trying to "pass the buck" to the rest of us to make themselves look good regarding issues of race! All IMO! :mad:

[2L8 4A D8]

WEEZER
I think the issue was that Alpert and OJ were both sports commentators on major sports networks.The public outcry against both were very different.

Alpert raped a woman in a hotel and was suspended from broadcating for a few months and was allowed to continue his broadcasting career.

OJ was charged with murder and found not guilty in a criminal trial and was never allowed to resume his broadcasting career.

Double standard.

martin II

Excuse me? Marv Alpert didn't murder two innocent people. OJ has no one but himself to blame for what has happened to him. I and the World know that he is guilty as hell and WE all don't care what was handed down as a verdict in the criminal trial. It was the biggest Travesity of Justice to ever have occurred in the annals of Criminal Justice and will continue to be that until the day that OJ dies and all of the rest of us die too!

It's sad that you seem to forget about the Civil Trial and what OJ said and did on the witness stand. He hung himself with his own rope! Not OUR problem! It is YOUR problem!

It's only a Double Standard to you because you just can't deal with it that your idol/hero is a Double Murderer!

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Excuse me? Marv Alpert didn't murder two innocent people.

Martin strikes again. I think he means Marv Albert:tongue: How Martin can compare the two crimes is mind boggling. I guess he thinks the crimes are equal & the only difference is that Albert got a different reception because he is white. How silly.

[weezer]

Martin strikes again. I think he means Marv Albert:tongue: How Martin can compare the two crimes is mind boggling. I guess he thinks the crimes are equal & the only difference is that Albert got a different reception because he is white. How silly.

I've come to the conclusion that martin is truly color blind. ;)

connect the dots: rape - murder or rape - rape............hmmmm

[martin II]

I've come to the conclusion that martin is truly color blind. ;)

connect the dots: rape - murder or rape - rape............hmmmm

weezer

I think you missed my point.

I have not compared the seriousness of the charges. Both are very serious.
Some may say murder is more serious because a life has been taken.

I was comparing how one was allowed to continue to work in his network sports commentator job and the other was banned.


I am not sure what Marv's plea was but simpson was found not guilty in a criminal trial. Regardless of what you feel about the jury verdict.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

I think you missed my point.

I have not compared the seriousness of the charges. Both are very serious.
Some may say murder is more serious because a life has been taken.

I was comparing how one was allowed to continue to work in his network sports commentator job and the other was banned.


I am not sure what Marv's plea was but simpson was found not guilty in a criminal trial. Regardless of what you feel about the jury verdict.
martin II

:confused: Marv's plea was not guilty...........same as Kobe.........same as orenthal. All three were celebrities. All three got off. The two accused of rape returned to the spotlight although both have never regained the stature they enjoyed before. The one accused of double murder was shunned by a society that believes him to be guilty.

Regardless of what you think, orenthal was found responsible for the deaths of Nicole and Ron.

[2L8 4A D8]

Martin strikes again. I think he means Marv Albert:tongue: How Martin can compare the two crimes is mind boggling. I guess he thinks the crimes are equal & the only difference is that Albert got a different reception because he is white. How silly.

Thanks again Diva! I should know better. It is Herb Alpert, not Marv Alpert! And again, racism rears its ugly head with Martin as usual! All IMO!!

[martin II]

:confused: Marv's plea was not guilty...........same as Kobe.........same as orenthal. All three were celebrities. All three got off. The two accused of rape returned to the spotlight although both have never regained the stature they enjoyed before. The one accused of double murder was shunned by a society that believes him to be guilty.

Regardless of what you think, orenthal was found responsible for the deaths of Nicole and Ron.

wezer
i have not included Kobe in my comparison.

Marv commited rape of a woman is still broadcasting on national tv. OJ was found not guilty and was banned. One white and one black.
AS you say the society accepted one with a few months off air as penalty
this same society has banned the one found not guilty.
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

wezer
i have not included Kobe in my comparison.

Marv commited rape of a woman is still broadcasting on national tv. OJ was found not guilty and was banned. One white and one black.
AS you say the society accepted one with a few months off air as penalty
this same society has banned the one found not guilty.
martin II

Excuse me? "This same society has banned the one found not guilty" because they ALL believe that the "one found not guilty" is actually Guilty as Sin and should be banned! What part of this don't you understand? How many times does it have to be said to you before you get it? Fortunately, you and ALL of your NG buddies are in the minority, not the majority! And thank God for that! :mad:

JMO and MOO!!

[weezer]

wezer
i have not included Kobe in my comparison.

Marv commited rape of a woman is still broadcasting on national tv. OJ was found not guilty and was banned. One white and one black.
AS you say the society accepted one with a few months off air as penalty
this same society has banned the one found not guilty.
martin II

and Kobe who committed rape of a woman was found not guilty and never missed a day before the cameras. He was black.

Society banned a double murderer.

[sassylassy]

Looks like the book will be auctioned off on Apr. 17....:read:

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=1c73acf0-6783-4035-be53-7782e653a585

[sassylassy]

SNIP
http://walraven.org/simpson/911-1993.html

You know how OJ says that the reason he went over to Nicoles and forced his way in and ranted and raved and scared the @hit out of Nicole was because of the kids?? Well, Nicole was begging for him to stop screaming and ranting and raving because of the kids. The only one who seemed to care about the kids then was Nicole. But, OJ's "excuse" for acting that way was because of the kids. Ironic.

:shrug:


I understand he went over angry becuz of the story in the National Enquirer
(thats what I got from reading the 911 transcripts) :shrug:

[sassylassy]

except that the professionals say abuse is about control and if orenthal had sent the letter to the IRS instead of using it to threaten Nicole, he would not have been in control.

I dont see how the letter shows control?

to me it shows me that OJ was severing all ties with Nicole & that it was over & he was covering himself legally.

that's IMO MOO of course....

[weezer]

I dont see how the letter shows control?

to me it shows me that OJ was severing all ties with Nicole & that it was over & he was covering himself legally.

that's IMO MOO of course....

really? I don't know. I think he was angry that Nicole had cut ties with him and I believe the IRS letter was in retaliation of that. His 'suicide' threats after the murder either proves that he wasn't over her or guilt. I believe both applied.

[martin II]

I dont see how the letter shows control?

to me it shows me that OJ was severing all ties with Nicole & that it was over & he was covering himself legally.

that's IMO MOO of course....

sassy hi

i agree.

controll would have been if he had just told her if she did come back to him he would send the letter to the irs. It seems to me he was saying, look Nicole
your last yelling phone call to me was the last i intend to put up with.

I am severing all ties to you. Don't expect me to assist you in the problems you have creatred for yourself. In other words:seeya:
martin II

[sassylassy]

really? I don't know. I think he was angry that Nicole had cut ties with him and I believe the IRS letter was in retaliation of that. His 'suicide' threats after the murder either proves that he wasn't over her or guilt. I believe both applied.

I agree with you that OJS was angry. but I also think thats a one of the many emotions one would feel when they end a long term relationship!

What I dont get is, if OJS was so crazy over Nicole why would he push her away by doing this?

wouldn't he want Nicole to need him & keep her under his thumb? :read:

[martin II]

I agree with you that OJS was angry. but I also think thats a one of the many emotions one would feel when they end a long term relationship!

What I dont get is, if OJS was so crazy over Nicole why would he push her away by doing this?

wouldn't he want Nicole to need him & keep her under his thumb? :read:

EXACTLY

martin II

[weezer]

I agree with you that OJS was angry. but I also think thats a one of the many emotions one would feel when they end a long term relationship!

What I dont get is, if OJS was so crazy over Nicole why would he push her away by doing this?

wouldn't he want Nicole to need him & keep her under his thumb? :read:

I think it was orenthal's way of reminding Nicole that she needed him monetarily. I think her giving back the jewelry and leasing the house away from Brentwood was her answer.

[martin II]

I think it was orenthal's way of reminding Nicole that she needed him monetarily. I think her giving back the jewelry and leasing the house away from Brentwood was her answer.

well, nicole stated in her letter to Cora that she knew that she could get oj back anytime she wanted to. That she and oj would eventually be togeather again but at that time she wanted a little more freedom to do what she wanted to do. When she made the call to him yelling and accusing him of stealing her friends, namely Faye, That was the end for him being involved with her and her problems. She got the IRS letter which shocked her and she realized that he was finished so she then decided to go on her merry way out out of brentwood which would mean that oj would have more difficulty in seeing his kids. Maby that was her payback to him for the IRS letter.imo
martin II

[martin II]

I think it was orenthal's way of reminding Nicole that she needed him monetarily. I think her giving back the jewelry and leasing the house away from Brentwood was her answer.

weezer
why would nicole need oj monetarily? he gave her $400,000 cash and $10,000per month child support (at divoice)and signed for the lease at GG for her apartment. what else did she need from him monetarily?
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .signed for the lease at GG for her apartment.

WTH does her lease a GG have to do with the events at Bundy?

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .signed for the lease at GG for her apartment.

WTH does her lease at GG have to do with the events at Bundy?

[martin II]

*Snipped*

WTH does her lease at GG have to do with the events at Bundy?

wezer
it means that he was willing, after giving her $400,000 cash and child support, to help her get a place to live so she would start her own life and not bother him.

[Jayme K]

wezer
it means that he was willing, after giving her $400,000 cash and child support, to help her get a place to live so she would start her own life and not bother him.

And not bother him? I'm telling you, if a place opens up next door in your Fantasy World Complex then I wanna sign a lease because it sounds like a really great place to live.

Riddle me this, if he didn't want her to bother him then why was he over at Gretna Green all of the time visiting her and calling her?

If he wanted to be left alone then why did he agree to reconcile when she came back and asked? Why'd he dump Paula the moment Nicole came back?

[Jayme K]

well, nicole stated in her letter to Cora that she knew that she could get oj back anytime she wanted to. That she and oj would eventually be togeather again but at that time she wanted a little more freedom to do what she wanted to do. When she made the call to him yelling and accusing him of stealing her friends, namely Faye, That was the end for him being involved with her and her problems. She got the IRS letter which shocked her and she realized that he was finished so she then decided to go on her merry way out out of brentwood which would mean that oj would have more difficulty in seeing his kids. Maby that was her payback to him for the IRS letter.imo
martin II

Ah yes, everything that Nicole did was in the name of payback while OJ was just the loving done-wrong husband.

I'm kinda surprised that you hate Mark Fuhrman so much considering the fact that your personality mirrors his so much.

[martin II]

And not bother him? I'm telling you, if a place opens up next door in your Fantasy World Complex then I wanna sign a lease because it sounds like a really great place to live.

Riddle me this, if he didn't want her to bother him then why was he over at Gretna Green all of the time visiting her and calling her?

If he wanted to be left alone then why did he agree to reconcile when she came back and asked? Why'd he dump Paula the moment Nicole came back?

Jayme

You need to drop the personal attacks referances to me.

Maby it would be a good idea for you to read back to some previous post before making your silly attacks/statements.

The letter from Niclole to Oj indicated that she was asking him if she could come back to him at rockingham. Coras testimony indicates that oj said NO as he had told Nicole he would give the seperation a year before he would consider it. Oj was with Paule for some time prior to 6/12 and she with him after.

The issue of why oj was at GG has been discussed. Find the discussion and read for yourself.

[Jayme K]

Jayme

You need to drop the personal attacks referances to me.

Maby it would be a good idea for you to read back to some previous post before making your silly attacks/statements.

The letter from Niclole to Oj indicated that she was asking him if she could come back to him at rockingham. Coras testimony indicates that oj said NO as he had told Nicole he would give the seperation a year before he would consider it. Oj was with Paule for some time prior to 6/12 and she with him after.

The issue of why oj was at GG has been discussed. Find the discussion and read for yourself.

Take a deep breath and recite the word "relax", and then try to smooth out the feathers.

I'm not talking about the 1993 911 call episode at Gretna Green, I'm talking about the fact that he was calling her and visiting her all of the time. Do you just not have a response that suits your beliefs?

Her testimony indicates? She either said it or she didn't. It's obvious that Cora fancied OJ and wanted to protect him, and it's worth noting that most everyone else said that it was Nicole who made the decision that she would not immeditaely move back into Rockingham.

You think you're so wise with your little "find the discussion and read it yourself" when it's apparent that you don't even understand the nature of my question.

Bummer.

[martin II]

Take a deep breath and recite the word "relax", and then try to smooth out the feathers.

I'm not talking about the 1993 911 call episode at Gretna Green, I'm talking about the fact that he was calling her and visiting her all of the time. Do you just not have a response that suits your beliefs?

Her testimony indicates? She either said it or she didn't. It's obvious that Cora fancied OJ and wanted to protect him, and it's worth noting that most everyone else said that it was Nicole who made the decision that she would not immeditaely move back into Rockingham.

You think you're so wise with your little "find the discussion and read it yourself" when it's apparent that you don't even understand the nature of my question.

Bummer.


Jayme

Read Nicoles letter to OJ and try to determine if it was Nicole begging oj to let her come back or oj begging nicole to come back.

When you say 'most everyone' who specifically are you referring to.?

You may not know it but oj had visiting rights to see his kids.
martin II

[martin II]

jayme

maby it would be a good idea for you to post testimony to prove that OJ was
going to GG ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how many times he went to GG.
martinII

[Jayme K]

Jayme

Read Nicoles letter to OJ and try to determine if it was Nicole begging oj to let her come back or oj begging nicole to come back.

When you say 'most everyone' who specifically are you referring to.?

You may not know it but oj had visiting rights to see his kids.
martin II

Did OJ or did he not agree to reconcile with Nicole and try to put their family back together? Did Paula or did Paula not testify to this and say that OJ dumped her for another chance with Nicole?

Most everyone includes, but is not limited to: Kris Kardashian, Alan Austin, CiCi Shaian, Faye Resnick, Denise Brown, Juditha Brown, Tom McCollum, Allen and Pam Schwartz.

Or should I just follow your lead and tell you to read up for yourself?

[martin II]

Did OJ or did he not agree to reconcile with Nicole and try to put their family back together? Did Paula or did Paula not testify to this and say that OJ dumped her for another chance with Nicole?

Most everyone includes, but is not limited to: Kris Kardashian, Alan Austin, CiCi Shaian, Faye Resnick, Denise Brown, Juditha Brown, Tom McCollum, Allen and Pam Schwartz.

Or should I just follow your lead and tell you to read up for yourself?

jayme

Give the testimony of these people saying what you claim.
Read Nicoles letter to oJ asking to come home and taking the blame for many of their problems. Then come back.

MARTIN II

[martin II]

jayme

maby it would be a good idea for you to post testimony to prove that OJ was
going to GG ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how many times he went to GG.
martinII

[Jayme K]

jayme

Give the testimony of these people saying what you claim.
Read Nicoles letter to oJ asking to come home and taking the blame for many of their problems. Then come back.

MARTIN II

Fair play's not the game of your game huh? You have audacity enough to tell me to find information myself and read it and then turn around and tell me to provide you with information that I am claiming?

Your entertainment value goes up each time.

[Jayme K]

jayme
Tell me, how many times he went to GG.
martinII


Objection: On the grounds that this question is overly burdensome and not likely to lead to relevant, admissible evidence.

[weezer]

jayme

Give the testimony of these people saying what you claim.
Read Nicoles letter to oJ asking to come home and taking the blame for many of their problems. Then come back.

MARTIN II

I wondered how long it would take martin to get around to blaming Nicole for the Butcher's actions.............

It never takes long.

[weezer]

wezer
it means that he was willing, after giving her $400,000 cash and child support, to help her get a place to live so she would start her own life and not bother him.

he didn't 'give' her squat! Those were his children and he had a duty to support them.

[martin II]

Fair play's not the game of your game huh? You have audacity enough to tell me to find information myself and read it and then turn around and tell me to provide you with information that I am claiming?

Your entertainment value goes up each time.

The rules go like this.

YOU MAKE THE CLAIM. YOU GIVE THE PROOF, LINK, TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.


MARTIN ii

[weezer]

The rules go like this.

YOU MAKE THE CLAIM. YOU GIVE THE PROOF, LINK, TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.


MARTIN ii

I think we can all agree to that so, martin, how about we start with your posts? Any of them.

[martin II]

he didn't 'give' her squat! Those were his children and he had a duty to support them.

WEEZER

NOW YOU KNOW THE $400,000 WAS FOR NICOLE AND THE $10,000 PER mo was for the children
martin II

[martin II]

I wondered how long it would take martin to get around to blaming Nicole for the Butcher's actions.............

It never takes long.

weezer

jayme made the statement that oj took Nicole back imediately when she asked.

I asked him/her to read her letter and tell me who was asking who to get back togeather. I am not blaming. The letter speaks for itself.
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Objection: On the grounds that this question is overly burdensome and not likely to lead to relevant, admissible evidence.

Jayme

that is funny. very funny and evasive. I think it means, I DON'T KNOW.:lol:

MARTIN ii

[Jayme K]

Jayme

that is funny. very funny and evasive. I think it means, I DON'T KNOW.:lol:

MARTIN ii

Wow, you actually got it. I'm impressed.

[Jayme K]

The rules go like this.

YOU MAKE THE CLAIM. YOU GIVE THE PROOF, LINK, TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.


MARTIN ii

Actually martin, you're wrong. I saw the post from Freshwater that said that links are not necessary for claims made. Perhaps you might like to read it?

[martin II]

Actually martin, you're wrong. I saw the post from Freshwater that said that links are not necessary for claims made. Perhaps you might like to read it?

I understand, but some here believe it helps the debate to show proof of their claims. This prevents others from thinking you are just tossing out made up crap to support your ideas.

Did you get to read Nicoles letter to Oj yet?

martin II

[Jayme K]

I understand, but some here believe it helps the debate to show proof of their claims. This prevents others from thinking you are just tossing out made up crap to support your ideas.

Did you get to read Nicoles letter to Oj yet?

martin II

I did, and apparently you aren't understanding what I'm getting at. I had already said that Nicole asked OJ for another chance. That's not the point of the discussion, or wasn't supposed to be the point of the discussion. The point is that you're saying that OJ wouldn't let Nicole back into Rockingham and I say it's the other way around. I'm saying that Nicole wanted to reconcile, she asked OJ and he agreed but Nicole did not want to start out by moving into Rockingham; she wanted them to take their time.

Is Cora the only thing you're using to support your idea that OJ wouldn't let Nicole move back to Rockingham?

[martin II]

I did, and apparently you aren't understanding what I'm getting at. I had already said that Nicole asked OJ for another chance. That's not the point of the discussion, or wasn't supposed to be the point of the discussion. The point is that you're saying that OJ wouldn't let Nicole back into Rockingham and I say it's the other way around. I'm saying that Nicole wanted to reconcile, she asked OJ and he agreed but Nicole did not want to start out by moving into Rockingham; she wanted them to take their time.

Is Cora the only thing you're using to support your idea that OJ wouldn't let Nicole move back to Rockingham?

look

Nicole was doing a classic flip flop about her relationship with oj. One week she wanted to be with him and the next she was talking about having her freedom for a period longer and the next she was asking to get back togeather. OJ had told her he wanted to give it a year to see what happened.

sometime during this period they tried it and decided that it was not going to work. Oj picked Paula back up. Nicole gave oj the bracelet back and he gave it to Paula and Nicole got pissed.

Nicole was dating lots of guys and oj was dating Paula.

At some point Nicole called oj yelling that he was stealing her friends namely faye. oj denied this but told her he was no longer willing to take this kind of treatment from her. She asked him to be involved in her IRS scheme and he declined. His lawyer sent her the do not use address letter.for me this was oj's way of telling her we are finished.I don"t want to be involved in your problems anymore.

It really does not matter who dumped who. It has nothing to do with who killed nicole.

martin ii

[weezer]

look

Nicole was doing a classic flip flop about her relationship with oj. One week she wanted to be with him and the next she was talking about having her freedom for a period longer and the next she was asking to get back togeather. OJ had told her he wanted to give it a year to see what happened.

sometime during this period they tried it and decided that it was not going to work. Oj picked Paula back up. Nicole gave oj the bracelet back and he gave it to Paula and Nicole got pissed.

Nicole was dating lots of guys and oj was dating Paula.

At some point Nicole called oj yelling that he was stealing her friends namely faye. oj denied this but told her he was no longer willing to take this kind of treatment from her. She asked him to be involved in her IRS scheme and he declined. His lawyer sent her the do not use address letter.for me this was oj's way of telling her we are finished.I don"t want to be involved in your problems anymore.

It really does not matter who dumped who. It has nothing to do with who killed nicole.

martin ii

OMG -- you are too much. According to cora (the other adulterer that you like to quote), Nicole told her she could get orenthal back anytime she wanted. The facts are, she was able to do just that -- more than once.

I believe on the night that orenthal murdered Nicole, he was telling her, "I'm in control of when this is over."

[martin II]

OMG -- you are too much. According to cora (the other adulterer that you like to quote), Nicole told her she could get orenthal back anytime she wanted. The facts are, she was able to do just that -- more than once.

I believe on the night that orenthal murdered Nicole, he was telling her, "I'm in control of when this is over."

weezer

OJ was on his bed taking a nap before taking a shower and putting on a bath robe and bringing the two bags down to the front door that Park saw when he drove to the front door. So he did not kill anyone. Two people killed Nicole and ron and it took more than 1 1/2 minutes to do so.
martin II

[martin II]

OMG -- you are too much. According to cora (the other adulterer that you like to quote), Nicole told her she could get orenthal back anytime she wanted. The facts are, she was able to do just that -- more than once.

I believe on the night that orenthal murdered Nicole, he was telling her, "I'm in control of when this is over."

weezer

based on your constant and relentless efforts to call Cora a adulterer and point to the fact that she was involved with a grocery boy, i ask:

Do you feel the same about any other person you MAY know that has had a outside affair or is your relentless scorn reserved only for Cora?

Should she get jail time? Maby she should never be believed because she had
a affair?
martin II

[martin II]

OMG -- you are too much. According to cora (the other adulterer that you like to quote), Nicole told her she could get orenthal back anytime she wanted. The facts are, she was able to do just that -- more than once.

I believe on the night that orenthal murdered Nicole, he was telling her, "I'm in control of when this is over."

weezer

I do believe you are correct to a point. Between her bar hopping activities
with Faye picking up strange men, There were times when she took a break from this and called oj and gave him some story about wanting to have her family back. He fell for it a couple of times and then sent her the IRS letter putting her on notice to get lost, as Paula had her spot.

martin II

[Jayme K]

look

Nicole was doing a classic flip flop about her relationship with oj. One week she wanted to be with him and the next she was talking about having her freedom for a period longer and the next she was asking to get back togeather. OJ had told her he wanted to give it a year to see what happened.

sometime during this period they tried it and decided that it was not going to work. Oj picked Paula back up. Nicole gave oj the bracelet back and he gave it to Paula and Nicole got pissed.

Nicole was dating lots of guys and oj was dating Paula.

At some point Nicole called oj yelling that he was stealing her friends namely faye. oj denied this but told her he was no longer willing to take this kind of treatment from her. She asked him to be involved in her IRS scheme and he declined. His lawyer sent her the do not use address letter.for me this was oj's way of telling her we are finished.I don"t want to be involved in your problems anymore.

It really does not matter who dumped who. It has nothing to do with who killed nicole.

martin ii

It must matter to you because I've noticed that you sure bring it up alot.

[Jayme K]

weezer

I do believe you are correct to a point. Between her bar hopping activities
with Faye picking up strange men, There were times when she took a break from this and called oj and gave him some story about wanting to have her family back. He fell for it a couple of times and then sent her the IRS letter putting her on notice to get lost, as Paula had her spot.

martin II

Paula would never have her spot, she said in her book that she knew she would never be Mrs. Simpson and that she knew OJ would never love anyone the way he loved Nicole.

Nice try though.

[Jayme K]

weezer

OJ was on his bed taking a nap before taking a shower and putting on a bath robe and bringing the two bags down to the front door that Park saw when he drove to the front door. So he did not kill anyone. Two people killed Nicole and ron and it took more than 1 1/2 minutes to do so.
martin II

How can you say how long it took? Look up Dr. Baden's testimony for the defense in the civil trial and see where he conceded that the killings could have taken only one minute. I believe that Dr. Lee also admitted that.

In fact, now that I recall Dr. Lee said that it could have taken as little as a minute but that no one could say with scientific certainty how long after that it took.

No one includes you martin.

[martin II]

How can you say how long it took? Look up Dr. Baden's testimony for the defense in the civil trial and see where he conceded that the killings could have taken only one minute. I believe that Dr. Lee also admitted that.

In fact, now that I recall Dr. Lee said that it could have taken as little as a minute but that no one could say with scientific certainty how long after that it took.

No one includes you martin.

Dr. Spitz guessed that the 1 1/2 minute was the time it took the killer to kill ROn. Look at the time heidstra said he saw a jeep at Bundy and dorothy.


martin II

[Jayme K]

Dr. Spitz guessed that the 1 1/2 minute was the time it took the killer to kill ROn. Look at the time heidstra said he saw a jeep at Bundy and dorothy.


martin II

It doesn't matter because as Dr. Lee said no one can say with scientific certainty how long the killings took other than to say it could have been as little as one minute but beyond that we just don't know.

Apparently you, however, feel that you can tell us how long it took.

[AmyW]

weezer

OJ was on his bed taking a nap before taking a shower and putting on a bath robe and bringing the two bags down to the front door that Park saw when he drove to the front door. So he did not kill anyone. Two people killed Nicole and ron and it took more than 1 1/2 minutes to do so.
martin II

Simpson said he stood outside his mansion shortly after 10 p.m. and tried to call his girlfriend, Paula Barbieri, on his cellular phone. Then, he said he began chipping golf balls in his yard, the source said.

Then Simpson went looking for some golf gear in his vehicles, the Bentley parked in the driveway and his Bronco parked outside the estate on Ashford Street. He said he then drove his Bronco into the driveway, took out a golf bag that he left by a bench near his front door, and re-parked the Bronco on Rockingham Avenue.

During his interview with the LAPD on June 13, 1994, Simpson said he usually parks the Bronco on the street, but he sometimes brings it in the driveway to switch things around after golfing.

Simpson was asked by police when he last drove the Bronco. He indicated he drove the vehicle the day before the murders "in the morning, in the afternoon." Later in the police interview, Simpson said he parked the vehicle on Rockingham between 7 and 9 p.m.

He said that when he opened the gate to his estate, his dog, Chachi, relieved herself in a neighbor's yard.

At 10:20 p.m., Simpson said, he went to his bedroom and sat on his bed for awhile before taking a book into the bathroom. He then hopped in the shower to prepare for his flight, during which time he thought he heard his gate buzzer. After showering, Simpson says he packed his garment bag.

Limo driver Park testified that Simpson answered the intercom claiming he had overslept. During his deposition, Simpson said he did not sleep, and would not have slept, because he had planned on sleeping during his red-eye flight to Chicago.
Simpson repeated what he said publicly during a call into "Larry King Live" after he was acquitted -- that he was the shadowy figure Park saw in the entryway.

The source close to the civil case told CNN the largest discrepancy between Simpson's deposition and Park's testimony could be the order in which Simpson was seen by Park and responded to Park's call on the intercom

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9601/01-31/index.html

:shrug:

[weezer]

weezer

based on your constant and relentless efforts to call Cora a adulterer and point to the fact that she was involved with a grocery boy, i ask:

Do you feel the same about any other person you MAY know that has had a outside affair or is your relentless scorn reserved only for Cora?

Should she get jail time? Maby she should never be believed because she had
a affair?
martin II

It's not an effort to call cora an adulterer, it's a fact. I have no respect for anyone who cheats and, yes, their credibility is shot.

[martin II]

It's not an effort to call cora an adulterer, it's a fact. I have no respect for anyone who cheats and, yes, their credibility is shot.

weeaer

Well can i get you to agree that everyone is not perfect.
martin II

[martin II]

he didn't 'give' her squat! Those were his children and he had a duty to support them.

oj supported his children when they lived with him, nicole and now.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
He fell for it a couple of times and then sent her the IRS letter putting her on notice to get lost

You are utterly confused. He wasn't sending her the letter so she would "get lost", he was trying to regain control of her & get her back to Rockingham any way he could.

[Suzee10]

I wondered how long it would take martin to get around to blaming Nicole for the Butcher's actions.............

It never takes long.

If you remember fbg, so did simpson. He was interviewed and he expressed his anger at Nicole being deead and not around to help him with the children, disgusting! Blaming her because he murdered her, speaking of denial!!!

[Suzee10]

oj supported his children when they lived with him, nicole and now.
martin II


That is what he is supposed to do, his children!

[2L8 4A D8]

The rules go like this.

YOU MAKE THE CLAIM. YOU GIVE THE PROOF, LINK, TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

MARTIN ii

No, the RULES don't go like that! How many more freaking times do the rules of Links, etc. as set down the Moderator, have to be posted before you get it for gawd's sake?

Nobody owes YOU anything ~ ever! You have 2 choices: (1) Believe what the Poster is saying or (2) Don't believe what the Poster is saying! End of Story!

Give ALL of us a freaking break with your NONSENSE! You are the first person who will NOT offer any kind of substantiation and Links for your ridiculous assinine theories and fantasies, but you expect ALL of us to? GMAB! I am NOT going to post the Post from the Moderator again! :no:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

I understand, but some here believe it helps the debate to show proof of their claims. This prevents others from thinking you are just tossing out made up crap to support your ideas.

Did you get to read Nicoles letter to Oj yet?

martin II

I think that you need to start practicing what you are trying to preach!

You constantly do this with every one of your posts, "you just toss out made up crap to support your ideas," while you expect the rest of US "to show proof of our claims" as "it helps the debate!"

GMAB! Again, according to the Moderator, WE don't owe YOU anything! And with "what you constantly toss out," it is just taken with a grain of salt with a large dash of having absolutely no credibility! :no:

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

O.J. Simpson's lawyer plans to go back to court to stop the upcoming auction for the publishing rights ......

http://www.thebookstandard.com/bookstandard/news/author/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003567030&imw=Y

I was shocked to read what Galanter said about Fred!
I think this is going to get nasty ((Just moo))

:read:

[sassylassy]

Greetings!

I have never seen 24 ppl logged on this thread before :) ...

is there some OJS breaking news that I havent heard about ((LOL))

:beer:

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson's lawyer plans to go back to court to stop the upcoming auction for the publishing rights ......

http://www.thebookstandard.com/bookstandard/news/author/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003567030&imw=Y

I was shocked to read what Galanter said about Fred!
I think this is going to get nasty ((Just moo))

:read:

There's very few things that shock me about orenthal or the people he surrounds himself with -- birds of a feather and all that, you know.

Besides, how much credibility does Galanter have? He's the one that was going to go on every media outlook and tell them that "it was a big fat lie that there even was a book. Ooops -- there was a book. Okay then. Goldman is a greedy because he'll get the money from the auction. Oooops, my client, orenthal, already profited from writing the book."

Someone needs to tell Galanter to shut up and sit down.

[martin II]

There's very few things that shock me about orenthal or the people he surrounds himself with -- birds of a feather and all that, you know.

Besides, how much credibility does Galanter have? He's the one that was going to go on every media outlook and tell them that "it was a big fat lie that there even was a book. Ooops -- there was a book. Okay then. Goldman is a greedy because he'll get the money from the auction. Oooops, my client, orenthal, already profited from writing the book."

Someone needs to tell Galanter to shut up and sit down.

WEEZER

What has shocled a lot of people is the hugh FLIP FLOP of tin cup. People that thought they were backing some moral cause only to find out that they were used by a slick money grabber the same that he has accused oj of being.imo
martin II

[weezer]

WEEZER

What has shocled a lot of people is the hugh FLIP FLOP of tin cup. People that thought they were backing some moral cause only to find out that they were used by a slick money grabber the same that he has accused oj of being.imo
martin II

you still don't get it do you?

[martin II]

you still don't get it do you?

WEEZER

I got it a long time ago.
martin II

[weezer]

WEEZER

I got it a long time ago.
martin II

sadly, you have proved over and over again that you have not. You erroneously believe that orenthal must be innocent because he's black. You have blamed Nicole for orenthal's abuse of her. You have trashed Nicole's and Ron's reputations while you continue to excuse orenthal's outrageous and hideous behavior. You've disparaged Mr.Goldman because he believes orenthal butched his son and got away with it and wants to extract some justice some way.

maybe someday, when you're through being the victim, you'll look beyond you're own little disturbed world.

[2L8 4A D8]

sadly, you have proved over and over again that you have not. You erroneously believe that orenthal must be innocent because he's black. You have blamed Nicole for orenthal's abuse of her. You have trashed Nicole's and Ron's reputations while you continue to excuse orenthal's outrageous and hideous behavior. You've disparaged Mr.Goldman because he believes orenthal butched his son and got away with it and wants to extract some justice some way.

maybe someday, when you're through being the victim, you'll look beyond you're own little disturbed world.

:beer: Excellent Post, Weezer! All so true, so true! He didn't get it then and he doesn't get it now and never will!

[martin II]

sadly, you have proved over and over again that you have not. You erroneously believe that orenthal must be innocent because he's black. You have blamed Nicole for orenthal's abuse of her. You have trashed Nicole's and Ron's reputations while you continue to excuse orenthal's outrageous and hideous behavior. You've disparaged Mr.Goldman because he believes orenthal butched his son and got away with it and wants to extract some justice some way.

maybe someday, when you're through being the victim, you'll look beyond you're own little disturbed world.

Weezer

My world is just fine. I believe oj was not guilty of muder because it was not proven in his trial. Talking about the life of victims is not bashing. It is exposing their past just like oj's past was exposed. Fred Goldman has proven
that after all has been said and done he was AFTER THE MONEY.

I don't know any thing about your life and you don't know anything about mine so cut the personal crap.
martin II

[weezer]

Weezer

My world is just fine. I believe oj was not guilty of muder because it was not proven in his trial. Talking about the life of victims is not bashing. It is exposing their past just like oj's past was exposed. Fred Goldman has proven
that after all has been said and done he was AFTER THE MONEY.

I don't know any thing about your life and you don't know anything about mine so cut the personal crap.
martin II

but you see martin, you've made it possible for most of us to know a great deal about your life. there was nothing intended as personal in my post.

[sassylassy]

There's very few things that shock me about orenthal or the people he surrounds himself with -- birds of a feather and all that, you know.

Besides, how much credibility does Galanter have? He's the one that was going to go on every media outlook and tell them that "it was a big fat lie that there even was a book. Ooops -- there was a book. Okay then. Goldman is a greedy because he'll get the money from the auction. Oooops, my client, orenthal, already profited from writing the book."

Someone needs to tell Galanter to shut up and sit down.

I dont think Galanter knew about the book & when it did come out he didnt support it & thought it was in bad taste, so I believe him....

in the end he is just doing his job (imo)

:read:

[sassylassy]

Weezer

My world is just fine. I believe oj was not guilty of muder because it was not proven in his trial. Talking about the life of victims is not bashing. It is exposing their past just like oj's past was exposed. Fred Goldman has proven
that after all has been said and done he was AFTER THE MONEY.



Hi martin..

According to Fred Goldman:

The bottom line is that we are taking things away from him, and if I could take every penny in the world from him and leave him homeless on the street, that's what I would do."

I think Fred feels by going after OJS money this will bring him some sort of justice or punishment...:read:

[sassylassy]

WEEZER

What has shocled a lot of people is the hugh FLIP FLOP of tin cup. People that thought they were backing some moral cause only to find out that they were used by a slick money grabber the same that he has accused oj of being.imo
martin II

myself personally...I didnt like the flip flop of the book!
that just doesnt sit well with me....................

just ((MOO)):seeya:

[martin II]

Hi martin..

According to Fred Goldman:

The bottom line is that we are taking things away from him, and if I could take every penny in the world from him and leave him homeless on the street, that's what I would do."

I think Fred feels by going after OJS money this will bring him some sort of justice or punishment...:read:

sassy
Fred has made my point. If he means what he said, then his goal is proberbly not otainable or at least not worthy of him spending the remainder of his life working towards.
MARTIN ii

[sassylassy]

O.J. Simpson’s eldest daughter Arnelle Simpson has reportedly joined the fight to prevent the rights to her father’s cancelled book, “If I Did It,” from being auctioned off on April 17th.

http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur32620.cfm

:read:

[weezer]

O.J. Simpson’s eldest daughter Arnelle Simpson has reportedly joined the fight to prevent the rights to her father’s cancelled book, “If I Did It,” from being auctioned off on April 17th.

http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur32620.cfm

:read:

oh my -- she looks awful. Sad that she would interject herself into this; especially since there is so much suspicion and evidence that she was involved in helping her dad clean up the mess after the murders: washing clothes, calling Paula to beg that she come see daddy in jail, etc.

[sassylassy]

oh my -- she looks awful. Sad that she would interject herself into this; especially since there is so much suspicion and evidence that she was involved in helping her dad clean up the mess after the murders: washing clothes, calling Paula to beg that she come see daddy in jail, etc.


I personally dont think she helped OJ & I dont think she needed to beg Paula..

from what I recall Paula jumped on a plane & headed right back to OJ all by her self!

just moo :)

[weezer]

I personally dont think she helped OJ & I dont think she needed to beg Paula..

from what I recall Paula jumped on a plane & headed right back to OJ all by her self!

just moo :)

really? wonder how her lingerie got in the washing machine with orenthal's sweat suit? Paula was the one who said Arnelle called and called to get her to come cheer up good, ole dad. My guess is that they needed her (Paula) to make an appearance so that orenthal and defenders could put out the story that they did: orenthal had moved on and was involved with Paula. We know now that that was all a lie. Go figure.

[martin II]

oh my -- she looks awful. Sad that she would interject herself into this; especially since there is so much suspicion and evidence that she was involved in helping her dad clean up the mess after the murders: washing clothes, calling Paula to beg that she come see daddy in jail, etc.

WEEZER

She is a great looking woman for my part. You have made negative comments about Arnell before. Whats up with that. Do you have some
beauty standards by which certain women must meet for you NOT to say they look awful?

I think Paula, undrerstanding that Nicole was out of the picture , booked the first flight from Los Vegas to LA she could get.
martin II

[weezer]

*Snip*She is a great looking woman for my part. . . . . .

LOL -- well to each his own I guess. Down here we would say she looks like she's been rode hard and put up wet. :eek:

[weezer]

*Snip*I think Paula, undrerstanding that Nicole was out of the picture , booked the first flight from Los Vegas to LA she could get.


well, looks like what you think and your 'undrerstanding' is wrong. Paula wrote that Arnelle called her and begged her to come visit daddy. As far as I know, that fact has never been disputed by any of the simpsons.

[martin II]

really? wonder how her lingerie got in the washing machine with orenthal's sweat suit? Paula was the one who said Arnelle called and called to get her to come cheer up good, ole dad. My guess is that they needed her (Paula) to make an appearance so that orenthal and defenders could put out the story that they did: orenthal had moved on and was involved with Paula. We know now that that was all a lie. Go figure.

weezer

Prior to Nicoles death, Paula and oj were the item. OJ gave the bracelet he had given to Nicole some time before to Paula and Nicole was pissed. She complained to cora that Paula had skinny legs etc. The saturday night of 6/11 oj and Paula were at the fundraiser in LA arm and arm looking like a perfect couple.

My guess is that Paula was a happy camper on 6/11 and ran to HER MAN on 6/13.
martin II

[martin II]

*Snip*

well, looks like what you think and your 'undrerstanding' is wrong. Paula wrote that Arnelle called her and begged her to come visit daddy. As far as I know, that fact has never been disputed by any of the simpsons.

weezer

If it has been disputed by any of the simpsons how woud YOU know.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

If it has been disputed by any of the simpsons how woud YOU know.
martin II

I 'woud' know because I'm sure that one and/or all of the orenthal apologists would have posted it. ;)

[weezer]

*Snip*My guess is that Paula was a happy camper on 6/11 and ran to HER MAN on 6/13.


what part of Paula dumped orenthal the night of the murders do you not comprehend?

[martin II]

*Snip*

LOL -- well to each his own I guess. Down here we would say she looks like she's been rode hard and put up wet. :eek:

weezer

i consider your comment to be vicious when made about someone that you would never have the good fortune to meet.

Are there many women where you are that have been "rode hard and put up wet." Sounds like a strange way for one woman to refer to another. Where i am you would get into too much trouble for a comment like that about another woman. sound like a great deal of jealously to me.
martin II

[martin II]

I 'woud' know because I'm sure that one and/or all of the orenthal apologists would have posted it. ;)

weezer
There were many comments made by the simpson family that you or i don't know about.
martin II

[martin II]

*Snip*

what part of Paula dumped orenthal the night of the murders do you not comprehend?

weezer
None of it since she showed up at the jail on 6/13 6/14 ir 6/15

MARTIN iI

[martin II]

oh my -- she looks awful. Sad that she would interject herself into this; especially since there is so much suspicion and evidence that she was involved in helping her dad clean up the mess after the murders: washing clothes, calling Paula to beg that she come see daddy in jail, etc.

WEEZER
Arnell is the presdient of the Florida company that TIN CUP is trying to rob.That is reason enough.
martin II

[weezer]

WEEZER
Arnell is the presdient of the Florida company that TIN CUP is trying to rob.That is reason enough.
martin II

LOL -- oh my martin..........the company is a shill corporation to hide orenthal's money that a court of law said he owed for murdering two human beings. Since one of those victims was Mr. Goldman's son, how do you figure it is robbing? Besides, other than helping her dad clean up, why in the world would Arnelle profit from Nicole's death?

[weezer]

*Snip*i consider your comment to be vicious when made about someone that you would never have the good fortune to meet.

Are there many women where you are that have been "rode hard and put up wet." Sounds like a strange way for one woman to refer to another. Where i am you would get into too much trouble for a comment like that about another woman. sound like a great deal of jealously to me.

you continue to make me laugh -- I'm vicious for saying Arnelle looks awful and that's bad BUT you can trash the victims and that's okay?

Can't say there aren't any women here who look like that but I was simply describing how Arnelle looks in the pic. And you're making me laugh again -- I