A head injury similar to Jonbenet's

[Eagle1]

I don't understand what it has to do with JBs murder that Bill and Janet didn't spend an anniversary together. :confused:
Why would Janet be jealous over names on a harp? I don't get it. IMO

Jealousy is a fact of life; let's face it. What wife wouldn't resent her husband's obsession with kids, and probably neglect of her? Some peoples' marriage vows include, "forsaking all others", that so important. "The other woman" could be a man, or a child or several children for all we know. Nobody's stating it was fact, just a possibility that wasn't as far as we know investigated.

It'd be hard to understand if Janet was NOT jealous. And nobody here's saying she's a killer, just that jealousy is one of the many motives for murders. I don't know if he was murdered or not, could be his heart just suddenly gave out as he was sitting at his computer, but as Lady Fischer just said, and as most of the others posting have said, the McReynolds were certainly a very strange couple. I wouldn't be really surprised if someone discovered an intruder was at the McReynolds' while Janet was for some unknown reason away on their 40th anniversary.

[Evening2]

Jealousy is a fact of life; let's face it. What wife wouldn't resent her husband's obsession with kids, and probably neglect of her? Some peoples' marriage vows include, "forsaking all others", that so important. "The other woman" could be a man, or a child or several children for all we know. Nobody's stating it was fact, just a possibility that wasn't as far as we know investigated.

It'd be hard to understand if Janet was NOT jealous. And nobody here's saying she's a killer, just that jealousy is one of the many motives for murders. I don't know if he was murdered or not, could be his heart just suddenly gave out as he was sitting at his computer, but as Lady Fischer just said, and as most of the others posting have said, the McReynolds were certainly a very strange couple. I wouldn't be really surprised if someone discovered an intruder was at the McReynolds' while Janet was for some unknown reason away on their 40th anniversary.


Ah, an intruder at the McReynolds' condo while Janet was away? Why would you even think that? :shrug:

[Eagle1]

Ah, an intruder at the McReynolds' condo while Janet was away? Why would you even think that? :shrug:

I believe I just said why I would think that in the post you were quoting. Ball's in your court.

[Evening2]

I believe I just said why I would think that in the post you were quoting. Ball's in your court.

Sorry, Eagle1, but I must be misreading your post since I can't seem to find it. That's okay.

[aussiesheila]

E2, even assuming that Santa is totally innocent...right.....well, what we can gather from what he says and the way he talks in the interviews is that he is totally self centred. He cannot genuinely say one thing about the R. and their loss that is humble and heartfelt. No, everything has to lead back to him as the centre of attension.....so we have to hear from him about what he is planning when he dies, what his relationship was with the R. and JBR, and about how he really thinks it was spot on to have murdered JBR on Christmas because that sounds about right to him if one wanted to hurt the R.

He has no real substance, he has nothing deep or meaningful to say and thats because he did not knoe JBR, the relationship was a figment of his imagination. He was not a warm friend, he was a paid worker.

Now, you can assume he was involved, and you will still come away with a similar analysis. In the end, Santa was the central character in the story not JBR. He was the one who stared in the interviews while everyone else sort of melts into the background. I think Santa was very into himself and arrogant. And this is seen in its hight when he takes it upon himself to get up and talk, and once again, he is the central character in the speech, at her memorial. That takes some nerve imo. And he didnt say a few short meaningful words in her memory, no it was all about himself. I think he has alot to answer for. I believe people who were there were shocked at the speech. imoSharon, do you realise you have given an almost perfect description of a narcissistic personality disorder? http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

[Evening2]

Sharon, do you realise you have given an almost perfect description of a narcissistic personality disorder? http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

Yes it is, Aussie, and I thank you for pointing that out. Some have asked "what history" do the McReynolds have that would indicate a propensity for violence or severe mental problems - well I'd say one major one has JUST been pointed out!

[Eagle1]

Yes it is, Aussie, and I thank you for pointing that out. Some have asked "what history" do the McReynolds have that would indicate a propensity for violence or severe mental problems - well I'd say one major one has JUST been pointed out!

Here goes my 500th post, in that same vein, Jesse McReynolds served time for KIDNAPPING, right? I've just been to the link about Narcissistic Pers. Disorder to see if it includes violence, printed out some of it but still can't tell for sure. :confused: In the Pathological Narcissism part, I believe it says they may lash out at people who disappoint them.

The complaint about the cheapness of the gift scarf, right? But might they tend to lash out more severely at times? And was Jesse "taught" this attitude, unintentionally of course?
Calls for speculation, I know. Wouldn't hurt to google the term. I'll get back to you.

[Evening2]

Here goes my 500th post, in that same vein, Jesse McReynolds served time for KIDNAPPING, right? I've just been to the link about Narcissistic Pers. Disorder to see if it includes violence, printed out some of it but still can't tell for sure. :confused: In the Pathological Narcissism part, I believe it says they may lash out at people who disappoint them.

The complaint about the cheapness of the gift scarf, right? But might they tend to lash out more severely at times?

Eagle1, I posted t his yesterday but I'm going to post it once again because I don't want mis-information posted about the McReynolds. Bill did NOT make a comment about the "cheapness" of the scarf!!! He "commented" that the vial of glitter cost "maybe $2.00!!"

[Evening2]

Here goes my 500th post, in that same vein, Jesse McReynolds served time for KIDNAPPING, right? I've just been to the link about Narcissistic Pers. Disorder to see if it includes violence, printed out some of it but still can't tell for sure. :confused: In the Pathological Narcissism part, I believe it says they may lash out at people who disappoint them.

The complaint about the cheapness of the gift scarf, right? But might they tend to lash out more severely at times? And was Jesse "taught" this attitude, unintentionally of course?
Calls for speculation, I know. Wouldn't hurt to google the term. I'll get back to you.

Congratulations on your 500th post Eagle1. I've been watching the countdown along with you. You're a great asset to the forum and now you're a Sen Member (halfway there) :rose: But keep in mind it's not the QUANTITY of your posts but the QUALITY that counts, and since you have so many green boxes, I'd say that in itself speaks volumes!! :) Looky there -you just got another one!!!

[Eagle1]

The feeling's mutual.

I stand corrected about the cheapness of the gifts, thought it was the scarf. and thanks also for that.

I just found this re Narcissism and violence.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOCONNOR/428/428lect15.htm

Normal peoples' anger is temporary and has a cause, whereas the personality disordered rage is always present, I learned. Their addictions are attempts to "repair" their personalities. They lack empathy and tend to side with, identify with victors whether right or wrong, rather than victims. Full-blown Psychopaths and Sadists have the highest need for feedback of all the "inverted personalities".

The disorder really is blamed on parents, and Bill McReynolds once said something in an interview about he wouldn't bring up what happened to him in childhood. I don't have a link to that, sorry, folks. Someone else will maybe remember.

[Eagle1]

Here's one more link that will ring a bell for us, so it seems Aussie has hit the nail right on the head.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

"Common conspicuous grandiose behaviors include EXPECTING SPECIAL TREATMENT or admiration on the basis of claiming to know ...famous people......." (Charles Kurault?)

[Evening2]

The feeling's mutual.

I stand corrected about the cheapness of the gifts, thought it was the scarf. and thanks also for that.

I just found this re Narcissism and violence.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOCONNOR/428/428lect15.htm

Normal peoples' anger is temporary and has a cause, whereas the personality disordered rage is always present, I learned. Their addictions are attempts to "repair" their personalities. They lack empathy and tend to side with, identify with victors whether right or wrong, rather than victims. Full-blown Psychopaths and Sadists have the highest need for feedback of all the "inverted personalities".

The disorder really is blamed on parents, and Bill McReynolds once said something in an interview about he wouldn't bring up what happened to him in childhood. I don't have a link to that, sorry, folks. Someone else will maybe remember.

Thank you Eagle1. Yes, he said that during the LKL - Wolf Blitzer inerview in March of 1997. I'll go get the link and if I hurry, I'll post it in this thread.

Here it is:

BLITZER: What made you decide that you wanted to really grow a real Santa Claus-like beard? You're speaking to someone who has a beard
as well, but a little bit more trimmed.

W. MCREYNOLDS: Well, I will tell you that -- I won't tell you about what happened to me as a child because that's not relevant.

[Athena]

Thank you Eagle1. Yes, he said that during the LKL - Wolf Blitzer inerview in March of 1997. I'll go get the link and if I hurry, I'll post it in this thread.

Here it is:

BLITZER: What made you decide that you wanted to really grow a real Santa Claus-like beard? You're speaking to someone who has a beard
as well, but a little bit more trimmed.

W. MCREYNOLDS: Well, I will tell you that -- I won't tell you about what happened to me as a child because that's not relevant.

A strange statement for sure to be brought up in the context of that interview. It just did not "fit". :confused:

[aussiesheila]

I just found this re Narcissism and violence.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOCONNOR/428/428lect15.htm

Very interesting link, Eagle, I've bookmarked it, thanks.

[thewhitewitch1]

A strange statement for sure to be brought up in the context of that interview. It just did not "fit". :confused:


It didn't fit but it could have meant virtually anything and probably had nothing at all to do with being "guilty". IMO

[thewhitewitch1]

Here's one more link that will ring a bell for us, so it seems Aussie has hit the nail right on the head.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

"Common conspicuous grandiose behaviors include EXPECTING SPECIAL TREATMENT or admiration on the basis of claiming to know ...famous people......." (Charles Kurault?)

Did BM "claim" to know CK or did he actually know him or neither? Do you have an example of BMs "grandoise behaviors" and when he "expected special treatment" or "admiration"? Did he claim to know many famous people?
You can't "label" someone as having a personality disorder based on one incident and to my knowledge, none of us in here are qualified to diagnose psychiatric disorders; much less on someone we've never even met. :cool: IMO

[nuisanceposter]

You can't "label" someone as having a personality disorder based on one incident and to my knowledge, none of us in here are qualified to diagnose psychiatric disorders; much less on someone we've never even met. IMO

Go ahead and see what happens if you try to suggest Patsy Ramsey may have had some mental issues, much less a disorder, based on incidents - you will be told that there is no psychological evaluation stating anything of the sort, that has never been documented, there is no proof, you can't go take quotes of hers out of context or guess what she may have meant because you aren't her, etc. IMO.

Funny how that applies to Patsy but all that's out the window on anyone else and it's fine to read something into everything the person ever did or said...for some 30 years before the murder. IMO.

What do the colleagues of Bill McReynolds have to say about him? Are the people that he worked with on a daily basis of the opinion that Bill McReynolds was suffering from a personality disorder, such as NPD, etc? I should think that the people that he interacted with regularly, whether professionally or recreationally, would have noticed if Bill McR was claiming to know famous people and expecting special treatment because of it, especially if it's this obvious to Internet posters who have never met the man. IMO.

[Louisadelmar]

Did BM "claim" to know CK or did he actually know him or neither? Do you have an example of BMs "grandoise behaviors" and when he "expected special treatment" or "admiration"? Did he claim to know many famous people?
You can't "label" someone as having a personality disorder based on one incident and to my knowledge, none of us in here are qualified to diagnose psychiatric disorders; much less on someone we've never even met. :cool: IMO

I agree. We ALL have some characteristics that can be found in the Diagnostic Manual. Look at board members obsessed with this crime. The question is to what degree does someone have the characteristics and to what extent has it disrupted his/her own life (or their family members.)

WW - Tried to give you props for your post but was told I had to "spread it around." :-(

[thewhitewitch1]

I agree. We ALL have some characteristics that can be found in the Diagnostic Manual. Look at board members obsessed with this crime. The question is to what degree does someone have the characteristics and to what extent has it disrupted his/her own life (or their family members.)

WW - Tried to give you props for your post but was told I had to "spread it around." :-(

Thanks Louisa. It's the thought that counts. :)

[shill]

Funny how that applies to Patsy but all that's out the window on anyone else and it's fine to read something into everything the person ever did or said...for some 30 years before the murder. IMO.

There's one big difference between the Ramseys and the other suspects when it comes to psyche evaluations though.
Nothing has been dug up from the Ramsey's past to show any kind of prior unusual behavior, that's why posters contest those kind of accusations imo.
And there has been some deep digging by LE and news reporters and posters.

With the McReynolds, you start digging and the skeletons come pouring out of the closets, big differance imo.