"Hope drives JonBenet's dad"

[Louisadelmar]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/12/11/1212ramsey.html

Hope drives JonBenet's dad to forge new life, but slowly

By MICHELLE HISKEY
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/12/06
John Ramsey doesn't play much golf, a sport that makes even the best suffer. And the man the world knows as JonBenet's dad is suffering during a recent round at East Lake Golf Club.
He's averaging a double bogey per hole — two strokes over par.
The foursome who cut in front of him are playing slowly, as if every shot is costing them money.
It starts to rain, and he doesn't have a jacket or an umbrella.
He could quit, but he's on the 16th tee box, a long walk from the shelter of the clubhouse. Mired in this chosen misery, Ramsey simply shrugs, smiles and swings away.
More than anything, Ramsey the golfer and Ramsey the survivor hold on to hope.
When you've lost two daughters and a wife, and lived through the hell of public suspicion that you've murdered your littlest one, hope is what keeps you going.
"I do believe there will be a resolution," he says quietly, while approaching the green, regarding the investigation into his daughter's death a decade ago this month. A TV report recently revealed that, within weeks of his daughter's death, Colorado investigators had DNA evidence suggesting he wasn't the killer.
Ramsey takes another whack at the ball as the rain falls. He recalls the advice of his father, who taught him the game when he was a kid in Nebraska.
"Don't say a word about the shot until it lands," his father would say.
You never know how a shot will end up. A bad one can get a lucky bounce and end up fine.
Ramsey's life is suspended like that. At 63, he's waiting to see where he will land.
He's living in Atlanta, where his and wife Patsy's family roots have always been, where she died of ovarian cancer six months ago with him at her bedside.
He sold their home and lives in a condo. He doesn't know what his next job will be, only that he will have to work after years of legal bills and poor business decisions made under stress. He's counting on his business instincts to sniff out a good next step, but not right away.
"I learned the hard way not to make big decisions quickly," he says, regretting that he started one company while under grand jury investigation. "I'm going to stay here for a while."
That means plenty of time for golf. He plays when someone invites him, usually a half-dozen times a year.
"I was going to check the air in my tires, but I can do that tomorrow," he says, laughing. "My schedule is wide open."
On the course, Ramsey looks like just another businessman trying to break 100 — except for his temper. He stays on an even keel, barely saying "shoot" over a bad shot and mostly joking that another one in the trees "shows that I'm back on my game."
"I've had worse," he often says as he finds another ball off the fairway.
Showing up with a golf bag that is missing a strap and head covers, he's not playing to impress anyone. Yet his competitive nature rises in his smile about how he won his Ping B60i putter in a bet two decades ago. He never bothered to take the sales sticker off the bottom.
His best shot this round comes on the second hole, when his perfectly struck wedge shot from 20 yards falls in the cup — for a bogey 4.
As he tells his story between shots, his bitterness starts and ends with the detectives in charge of his case. He calls them Barneys minus an Andy Griffith to keep them from their own stupidity.
In his quiet tone and with his earnest gray-green eyes, he doesn't come off as mean-spirited. Meanness has no place in the manners he learned on the golf course from his dad.
The elder Ramsey was a "hump pilot" in World War II, flying supplies across the Himalayas. He returned with stories, not of the real danger but of humorous exploits.
Saturday mornings, he'd tee off with his oldest boy as his caddie.
"He was someone I never saw lose his cool," the son said. "Caddying for him was like torture. It was hotter than blazes in the summer. But I learned the etiquette and I learned how to play."
From his dad, Ramsey learned to fly a plane — he still does, "for transportation and to feel free." He went on to the kind of business success sons like to show their dads.
In Atlanta, Ramsey started a computer company, which was later bought by Lockheed Martin. A member of the Capital City Club for 20 years, Ramsey played golf for business back when only people he knew recognized him.
"At that point, I could have made a list of 500 things that I would imagine happening," he says during his round. "And none of what did happen would have made that list."
At that point in his life, Ramsey rarely paid attention to the emotional world outside his own. He regularly attended church as a payment to "God's protection racket, so nothing bad would happen."
Then his daughter Beth — the oldest of three children from his previous marriage — died in a 1992 car wreck.
"The first words out of my mouth were 'There is no God,' " Ramsey says.
In his grief and anger, his life changed after a business associate reached out to him.
"He told me he had been praying for me for 15 years," Ramsey recalls. "We started studying the Bible together every week."
His faith didn't foresee that life could get worse. Much worse.
"You never really get over [the death of a child]," he says. "But I thought that losing Beth was my burden, my battle scar, and that was all I'd have to go through."
Then JonBenet was gone. He was the one who found her dead on Christmas night 1996. She was his namesake — he's John Bennett.
"That [loss] was different, because we had to fight," Ramsey says. "It was different because there was another human being responsible, and we were under siege."
As his round continues, so does his story.
Ramsey remains a bit mystified over how his daughter's death drew so much attention.
"Two thousand child murders a year in America, and you can't name another one," he says.
He has pinpointed some reasons.
"There was a lot of [media] bandwidth because the O.J. Simpson trial had recently finished, and there was a feeling that he got away with it and whoever did this was not going to get away with it," Ramsey says.
"Then we were portrayed as wealthy, and no one likes rich people. It's not that a lot of people buy tabloids, but if you see a headline often enough when you buy groceries, you start to think that there's something to it."
On the advice of lawyers, he and his wife remained silent for three years. They saw their daughter's memory get twisted into that of a girl they did not recognize.
"What really bugs me is the tag line that's always under her picture that says 'child beauty queen,'" he says. "She was so much more than that. ... She was our spark plug. She was the energy in our family. She was 100 percent Patsy."
Then Patsy was gone.
Ramsey had seen her through a first bout with ovarian cancer when JonBenet was in preschool, when doctors gave her a 5 percent chance to live. He pushed to get her in a clinical trial for Taxol, now a commonplace treatment.
[...]

[andU]

Thanks for posting this, it is a good read, a look inside the man and his survival.

[LadyFisher]

Thank you for this thread! My heart goes out to JR and PR! I feel in my heart an intruder did this horrible deed to their daughter, and they've had endure the worst suspicions and inuendos! My prayers are for him, and that the true killer of JB will be caught! JB and this entire family deserves it!

[nuisanceposter]

Ugh, IMO, he's such a LIAR! I'm sick to death of his RST propaganda. He ought to be ashamed of himself for letting his baby girl down like he did.

Yes, he studies the Bible...but when asked to name his favorite Scripture, he sat there blank with no answer.

[thewhitewitch1]

Funny how he claims that the "tag line Child Beauty Queen" "bugs" him so much. He seemed to have no problem with the title of the documentary "Who Killed the Pageant Queen" (either one), both of which he participated in.

[shill]

Ugh, IMO, he's such a LIAR! I'm sick to death of his RST propaganda. He ought to be ashamed of himself for letting his baby girl down like he did.
In America, it is still innocent until proven guilty. Save your hate for who ever they find did this to JB.

Yes, he studies the Bible...but when asked to name his favorite Scripture, he sat there blank with no answer.

95% of people who say they're Christians would draw a blank when asked their favorite scripture.
You are just full of hate.

[bullmoose]

I think that articles like this one must burn like acid to the Ramseyhaters; a portrayal of a lowkey evenkeeled man that comes acoss as an innocent victim instead of whatever nasty portrait of evil that they have in their mind of him. Mind you, I'm not painting any RDI as automatically being a Ramseyhater, but Ive not come across any Ramseyhaters that werent RDI's. As for his favorite scripture, I couldnt name one, many jump to mind when I think of it, but not necessarily book and verse. Where's the one that says, "Let the one without sin cast the first stone"? It seems that some people have their stones ready, having judged John Ramsey years ago. Strangely,though, not even an indictment by the GJ when the BPD was frothing for one.

[sweetcharlotte]

I think John Ramsey probably knows - and understands - the meaning of the verse "Vengeance is mine" saith the Lord.

JMO

[sweetcharlotte]

I noticed on the LKL interview last night that JR used the newer version of "vengeance is mine," i.e., "justice is mine."

JR - IMO - is very comfortable with who he is.

[andU]

I noticed on the LKL interview last night that JR used the newer version of "vengeance is mine," i.e., "justice is mine."

JR - IMO - is very comfortable with who he is.


I'm sure that he is also familiar with "Be still and know that I am God"

[Coloradokares]

I'm sure that he is also familiar with "Be still and know that I am God" What is his favorite Bible verse One of mine is Romans 8:38 I have a many and can recite them all..... If only Psalms 119:11 had come to mind when he was asked.

[andU]

or Psalm 139, my very favorite!

[Coloradokares]

or Psalm 139, my very favorite!

O Lord thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandeth my thought afar off. The whole chapter ?

[andU]

O Lord thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandeth my thought afar off. The whole chapter ?

Yes, the entire chapter is my favorite read.... it keeps me going when each step may seem like the last - either physically or spiritually.

[aussiesheila]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/12/11/1212ramsey.html

Hope drives JonBenet's dad to forge new life, but slowly

By MICHELLE HISKEY
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/12/06

[...]
Interesting article, I enjoyed reading it, but then, I have always thought that John was completely innocent.

Thanks for posting it, Louisa

[Athena]

Thank you for this thread! My heart goes out to JR and PR! I feel in my heart an intruder did this horrible deed to their daughter, and they've had endure the worst suspicions and inuendos! My prayers are for him, and that the true killer of JB will be caught! JB and this entire family deserves it!

ITA; and hope that the killer gets caught during JR's lifetime.

Thanks for posting that Louisa. :)

[bullmoose]

ITA; and hope that the killer gets caught during JR's lifetime.

Thanks for posting that Louisa. :)Amen to that post, Louisa.Amen

[packer48]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/12/11/1212ramsey.html

Hope drives JonBenet's dad to forge new life, but slowly

By MICHELLE HISKEY
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/12/06

Ramsey remains a bit mystified over how his daughter's death drew so much attention.
"Two thousand child murders a year in America, and you can't name another one," he says.



This quote bugs me.

I suppose he thought there we be a 30 minute investigation then all would be forgotten?

JMHO

packer

[LindaA]

This quote bugs me.

I suppose he thought there we be a 30 minute investigation then all would be forgotten?

JMHO

packer

No, I don't think so. I tihnk he is wondering why, with so many children murdered in a year, the entire world seems so focused on his daughter's murder. Lots of people don't understand it either. I don't think he was referring to LE.

[bullmoose]

With the number of unsolved child murders each year in this country with similarly odd circumstances; perhaps he was wondering why this one remains so much in the news. I personally think it is because of the fact that there were wealthy people[the Ramseys] involved that were able to hire counsel to keep the cops from running roughshod over their rights. Then there is the issue of the murder happening on or aroud Christmas Day, which I think was an irresistable hook to the story for reporters local and national. Finally, I think that the way the case evolved, from the very start, with the BPD making it clear that their only suspects were the Ramseys, the rich Ramseys, gave this story a life it would not have had if a poor or middle-class child had been involved. It was not so long after the OJ case was in the news, I think the editors of the tabloids thought they had another huge case to splash onto their front pages, so they did.

[packer48]

With the number of unsolved child murders each year in this country with similarly odd circumstances; perhaps he was wondering why this one remains so much in the news. I personally think it is because of the fact that there were wealthy people[the Ramseys] involved that were able to hire counsel to keep the cops from running roughshod over their rights. Then there is the issue of the murder happening on or aroud Christmas Day, which I think was an irresistable hook to the story for reporters local and national. Finally, I think that the way the case evolved, from the very start, with the BPD making it clear that their only suspects were the Ramseys, the rich Ramseys, gave this story a life it would not have had if a poor or middle-class child had been involved. It was not so long after the OJ case was in the news, I think the editors of the tabloids thought they had another huge case to splash onto their front pages, so they did.

I do agree with what you are saying.

However, to my way of thinking IF the Ramsey's are involved in this crime I'm sure they were not expecting the news of this particular murder to take on a life all on its own.

If I were them and I were innocent I would take tremendous advantage of all the press to get this crime solved.

Instead they choose to hide and hoped it would all go away.

I have no idea one way or the other if they were involved, sometimes I think they were and sometimes I think they just could not have done that to their child.

I think there is more proof they did it then an intruder.

JMHO

packer

[shill]

d.

Instead they choose to hide and hoped it would all go away.



What were they thinking? If they wanted to hide and for it all t o go away, they wouldn't have wrote such a notorious note, created an unusual garrote, added a hand ligature, penetrated her with a paintbrush, strangled and clubbed her and then left her in their own basement.

If they did it, they would have realized that everything they allegedly did would only bring the attention of the entire country.

[LindaA]

Interesting, Packer48, that you see them as hiding. Many RDIs here see them as calling undue attention to themselves: writing a book, appearing on national TV. I see all that as an indication of their innocence. I believe they were doing just what you say -- trying to get the press to help solve the mystery.

[rashomon]

Interesting, Packer48, that you see them as hiding. Many RDIs here see them as calling undue attention to themselves: writing a book, appearing on national TV. I see all that as an indication of their innocence. I believe they were doing just what you say -- trying to get the press to help solve the mystery.
I can imagine packer means that the Ramseys hid behind their lawyers right from day one.
Have the Ramseys ever shown any true effort that the 'real' killer killer be found? I don't get this impression at all.
The same goes for their appearance on national TV a few day after JB's death. This too was no attempt to find the killer, but was an effort on their part to seek public approval for their strange post-crime behavior.
For something just reeks when a couple whose child died a violent death in her own home refuses to talk to the police, but then shows up a few days later "to talk to the nation".
Their performance on TV was done to get public acclamation for themselves, it was done in a hope that by working their magic on TV a wave of public support would carry them far above suspicion. Their TV appearance was not about finding justice for their dead child. It was about finding public support which would help them escape justice. Jmpo.

[LindaA]

Rash, I'm not sure how you know what Packer was thinking. My reply is to what he said. And no, the Ramseys never did anything to find their daughter's killer. Nothing other than hire private investigators, post a drawing of a possible suspect on their website, put up a reward, take lie detector tests, allow their son to be interviewed for hours, allow themselves to be interviewed as well, submit to humiliating physical exams to extract evidence, turn over their clothes to police...
"Hid behind their lawyers" is your interpretation of what they did. Anyone with half a brain would hire lawyers under the circumstances to protect their rights in a situation where they were naive and uninformed.

[Louisadelmar]

My recollection is John said they spent at least a million dollars on investigators, experts, etc. In one of the interviews they talk about trying to share this information with BPD.

[nuisanceposter]

But JR admitted he hired PIs to keep him and his wife out of jail rather than search for JonBenet's killer...and let's not forget Ellis Armistead and why he quit working for the Rs.

Placing ridiculous conditions on cooperating with the police, conditions that no other average person has ever been afforded, is hiding. They did not just step right up and subject themselves to whatever was asked of them, they made it as difficult and as slanted in their favor as possible before they'd even consider talking to police.

They went and found their own "expert" for the polys, and specifically sought out one that would not require drug-testing. Why?

[Louisadelmar]

What did Armistead say about why he quit?

[packer48]

I can imagine packer means that the Ramseys hid behind their lawyers right from day one.
Have the Ramseys ever shown any true effort that the 'real' killer killer be found? I don't get this impression at all.
The same goes for their appearance on national TV a few day after JB's death. This too was no attempt to find the killer, but was an effort on their part to seek public approval for their strange post-crime behavior.
For something just reeks when a couple whose child died a violent death in her own home refuses to talk to the police, but then shows up a few days later "to talk to the nation".
Their performance on TV was done to get public acclamation for themselves, it was done in a hope that by working their magic on TV a wave of public support would carry them far above suspicion. Their TV appearance was not about finding justice for their dead child. It was about finding public support which would help them escape justice. Jmpo.

rashomon,

You got it, you said it much better then I ever could. Thank You!

My personal feeling all along has been that John and Patsy are covering for Burke.

This whole mess could probably laid to rest if we were privy to Burkes questions and answers. Or at least what he knew.

JMHO

packer

[nuisanceposter]

What did Armistead say about why he quit?

He claims he does not think the Rs are guilty but believes the killer is someone who knew them very well. He said he felt information coming from the RST and Haddon etc law firm was misleading to the public. He said he'd been hired to keep the Rs out of jail, not to find the killer. He was critical of several decisions made by the Rs or their attorneys or both. He didn't understand the constant public relations efforts - he thought appearing on television was "nonproductive and took the focus away from the case." His beliefs in "the system" were shaken by what he saw going on in several different areas of the investigation, and he suspected the evidence was less than what it seemed - such as Melody Stanton's claim of hearing the scream, and when she may have heard it.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_912274,00.html

And he learned that much of what the public considered "evidence" in the case, was something less. For example, Armistead is unsurprised that former Ramsey neighbor Melody Stanton, who reported hearing a scream the night JonBenet died, now believes she heard it two nights before the murder -- if she heard one at all.

[thewhitewitch1]

Rash, I'm not sure how you know what Packer was thinking. My reply is to what he said. And no, the Ramseys never did anything to find their daughter's killer. Nothing other than hire private investigators, post a drawing of a possible suspect on their website, put up a reward, take lie detector tests, allow their son to be interviewed for hours, allow themselves to be interviewed as well, submit to humiliating physical exams to extract evidence, turn over their clothes to police...
"Hid behind their lawyers" is your interpretation of what they did. Anyone with half a brain would hire lawyers under the circumstances to protect their rights in a situation where they were naive and uninformed.


The Ramseys were not even "in charge" of their own web-site. The picture of the possible suspect was sent in by a psychic, of which, as Christians, they do not condone. (See interview on 700 Club)
They hired private investigators to find a killer that doesn't exist. IMO They had the money...why not? It would appear as though they didn't do much consulting with their investigators as frequently they "didn't know" what was going on in that department, when asked. The reward money? Easy to offer reward money when you know this person is never going to be found. It isn't like they were going to have to pay it out.
"Allowed" themselves to be interviewed? "Allowed" Burke to be interviewed?
Why shouldn't they have allowed it? Nothing heroic about that. Turned in their clothing and submitted to "humiliating physical exams"? They should have been happy to do those things as it would help eliminate them as suspects and turn the focus elsewhere. Instead they made everything as difficult as possible for the LE. If you are truely innocent, you don't do that...even if you do think the LE is "out to get you". You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide. IMO

[bullmoose]

The Ramseys were not even "in charge" of their own web-site. The picture of the possible suspect was sent in by a psychic, of which, as Christians, they do not condone. (See interview on 700 Club)
They hired private investigators to find a killer that doesn't exist. IMO They had the money...why not? It would appear as though they didn't do much consulting with their investigators as frequently they "didn't know" what was going on in that department, when asked. The reward money? Easy to offer reward money when you know this person is never going to be found. It isn't like they were going to have to pay it out.
"Allowed" themselves to be interviewed? "Allowed" Burke to be interviewed?
Why shouldn't they have allowed it? Nothing heroic about that. Turned in their clothing and submitted to "humiliating physical exams"? They should have been happy to do those things as it would help eliminate them as suspects and turn the focus elsewhere. Instead they made everything as difficult as possible for the LE. If you are truely innocent, you don't do that...even if you do think the LE is "out to get you". You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide. IMOHey there ww1;Have you ever been through an experience that in any way approximates what the Ramseys did? Having their pubic hair plucked in front of cops? I would be willing to bet that you have not. I have gone through humiliating physical exams by the cops on a false charge; let me assure you, cooperating in no way makes any good impression; the cops , in my experience, get a sick thrill from the absolute power they exert over you." You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide." Omigod,! you never have had any real contact with
cops that look at you as the perp, have you? When LE thinks you are guilty, you are guilty to them all. The cops will hover close to you and try to get you to say anything that they then can distort and claim was an admission of guilt.And didn't it take these Colorado Crime Fighters about a year to request their clothes? You say" if you are truly innocent you cooperate in every way; if you happen to ever be accused falsely of a major crime tww1, Id be willing to bet you'd sing a different tune afterwards; the cops would open your eyes; mine were.:mad:

[thewhitewitch1]

Hey there ww1;Have you ever been through an experience that in any way approximates what the Ramseys did? Having their pubic hair plucked in front of cops? I would be willing to bet that you have not. I have gone through humiliating physical exams by the cops on a false charge; let me assure you, cooperating in no way makes any good impression; the cops , in my experience, get a sick thrill from the absolute power they exert over you." You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide." Omigod,! you never have had any real contact with
cops that look at you as the perp, have you? When LE thinks you are guilty, you are guilty to them all. The cops will hover close to you and try to get you to say anything that they then can distort and claim was an admission of guilt.And didn't it take these Colorado Crime Fighters about a year to request their clothes? You say" if you are truly innocent you cooperate in every way; if you happen to ever be accused falsely of a major crime tww1, Id be willing to bet you'd sing a different tune afterwards; the cops would open your eyes; mine were.:mad:

No, I have never had anything like that happen to me so I guess I really don't know how I'd feel but I can guess that if my daughter had been murdered, I'd do whatever was asked of me, willingly.
Whatever happened to you, I'm sure it wasn't because your kid had been murdered in your home. Am I right? Whole different scenerio.

[bullmoose]

No, I have never had anything like that happen to me so I guess I really don't know how I'd feel but I can guess that if my daughter had been murdered, I'd do whatever was asked of me, willingly.
Whatever happened to you, I'm sure it wasn't because your kid had been murdered in your home. Am I right? Whole different scenerio.
No child of mine was killed in my home, true. Cops acting liked Caped Crusaders, uninterested in the factual events or the truth or in actual justice----Absolutely! In the Ramsey case IMO misdirection was skillfully used on a police department whose ignorance of what to do was only matched by the arrogance of the cops in charge that believed they already had the case figured out. Because of that combination of arrogance and ignorance, the case was botched. In my experience this ignorance and arrogance was equally on display, no amount of cooperation could dispel the asinine cops' insistence of my guilt; when proven innocent, no member of the LE supersleuths said so much as oops! sorry when I was cleared and released; they didn't give a damn.Scenarios may differ, but arrogant cops are the same everywhere you go. Just pray tww1, that your eyes never get opened the way mine did.:eek:

[andU]

Bullmoose,
I'm sorry for what you experienced. It sounds like it must have been a horrific time for you. I hope now, that your life is better. I enjoy your posts, btw. Thanks for contributing!

[elvislives]

Hey there ww1;Have you ever been through an experience that in any way approximates what the Ramseys did? Having their pubic hair plucked in front of cops? I would be willing to bet that you have not. I have gone through humiliating physical exams by the cops on a false charge; let me assure you, cooperating in no way makes any good impression; the cops , in my experience, get a sick thrill from the absolute power they exert over you." You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide." Omigod,! you never have had any real contact with
cops that look at you as the perp, have you? When LE thinks you are guilty, you are guilty to them all. The cops will hover close to you and try to get you to say anything that they then can distort and claim was an admission of guilt.And didn't it take these Colorado Crime Fighters about a year to request their clothes? You say" if you are truly innocent you cooperate in every way; if you happen to ever be accused falsely of a major crime tww1, Id be willing to bet you'd sing a different tune afterwards; the cops would open your eyes; mine were.:mad:


Good points, bullmoose and sorry you had to deal with that bs--BUT the silver lining is that it gives you perspective and empathy towards others in the same boat. For the most part I have tremendous respect for police, but as in any profession there are bad apples. I have never had first hand experience, but I've seen several crime shows where they intimidated suspects to the point of getting a false confession.

One was a man who had weekend (I think) custody of his daughter and she disappeared. There are videotape interviews of police officers 'questioning' him in a very intimidating and accusatory manner. Eventually this man confessed to killing his daughter! Later on a serial killer confessed and had info that 'only the killer would know' ...I think he even led them to the body.

There was another one with a young kid who falsely confessed to killing his sister.

Not everyone has the fortitude to hold their ground, even if they're innocent.

[thewhitewitch1]

Good points, bullmoose and sorry you had to deal with that bs--BUT the silver lining is that it gives you perspective and empathy towards others in the same boat. For the most part I have tremendous respect for police, but as in any profession there are bad apples. I have never had first hand experience, but I've seen several crime shows where they intimidated suspects to the point of getting a false confession.

One was a man who had weekend (I think) custody of his daughter and she disappeared. There are videotape interviews of police officers 'questioning' him in a very intimidating and accusatory manner. Eventually this man confessed to killing his daughter! Later on a serial killer confessed and had info that 'only the killer would know' ...I think he even led them to the body.

There was another one with a young kid who falsely confessed to killing his sister.

Not everyone has the fortitude to hold their ground, even if they're innocent.

And then you have killers in prison who go to their graves without admitting their guilt. Everyone in prison is innocent. :rolleyes:

[elvislives]

And then you have killers in prison who go to their graves without admitting their guilt. Everyone in prison is innocent. :rolleyes:

You missed my point, TWW. Imo the overwhelming majority of people in prison deserve to be there---they probably even deserve 10x the sentence they received.

But as great as our justice system may be, it is not perfect and there ARE innocent people who have been wrongly convicted.

[shill]

The Ramseys were not even "in charge" of their own web-site. The picture of the possible suspect was sent in by a psychic, of which, as Christians, they do not condone. (See interview on 700 Club)
They hired private investigators to find a killer that doesn't exist. IMO They had the money...why not? It would appear as though they didn't do much consulting with their investigators as frequently they "didn't know" what was going on in that department, when asked. The reward money? Easy to offer reward money when you know this person is never going to be found. It isn't like they were going to have to pay it out.
"Allowed" themselves to be interviewed? "Allowed" Burke to be interviewed?
Why shouldn't they have allowed it? Nothing heroic about that. Turned in their clothing and submitted to "humiliating physical exams"? They should have been happy to do those things as it would help eliminate them as suspects and turn the focus elsewhere. Instead they made everything as difficult as possible for the LE. If you are truely innocent, you don't do that...even if you do think the LE is "out to get you". You co-operate and the LE recognizes this and is less apt to think you have something to hide. IMO

-Very few web sites are run by the person that own them, that’s what web masters do.
-They condone psychics but are willing to use them. Sounds like they will do what they need to to find the killer.
-So why do people post reward money? Do you think not posting reward money would make them look innocent and interested in finding the killer?
-Not collecting the clothing was LE's blunder, not a lack of R's co-operating.
-I guess in a witch-hunt, the accused witch should let them drown her, if she has nothing to hide she'll float.

[Eagle1]

In America, it is still innocent until proven guilty. Save your hate for who ever they find did this to JB.

95% of people who say they're Christians would draw a blank when asked their favorite scripture. You are just full of hate.

Whoever you may mean, and hopefully we'll not find out, they could have ruined this beautifully kind-hearted thread if others had joined in.

Thanks much for the thread.