Evidence that Places OJ Simpson at the Crime Scene

[martin II]

Hysterical, Diva! "If i were in a position to grade post or had been asked to do so, i would give him a very high grade.imo martin II" He wasn't asked to do so, but he graded WA's posts anyway! What a *****!

Martin wouldn't be able to read and understand posts even if he was using a magnifying glass!

JMO and MOO!!

2l
It is not my fault that you seem to be still looking for food and water.

martin II

[bobaugust]

This is the part of Dear Limakey's post to which I was offering my accolades.

I guess that means you agree that what limakey desires to believe is not credible since there is no evidence to support her beliefs.

bobaugust

[martin II]

:lol: :lol:

Excellent Diva!

you must be equally as lonely as the wannabe cop.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

you must be equally as lonely as the wannabe cop.imo
martin II

Lonely? Wannabe cop? Needing food & water? You are a bundle of mass confusion.

Aren't you late for another of your famed visits to Africa or to meet one of your celebrity friends?

[martin II]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.


see you

:flamemad: martin

[socaldiva]

i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.
see you
:flamemad: martin

That's funny. You say that she is the angry one, yet you are the one with the flaming face :tongue:

[sassylassy]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.
see you

martin

the ignore feature is a wonderful tool martin - trust me ;)

[martin II]

the ignore feature is a wonderful tool martin - trust me ;)

sassy lassy

i know. i have used it on the one that believes she is some kind of a diva
and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo

lisence plate seems to be headed for some kind of breakdown. i hope she can get some help .
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.

see you

:flamemad: martin

As usual, the truth hurts...

You said weeks/months ago that you put me on Ignore! I guess you were lying.

Yes, it's unfortunate for all of us that we have to "read your ignorant and argumentative" posts!

It will be so wonderful not to have to hear from you again! Buh Bye!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

sassy lassy

i know. i have used it on the one that believes she is some kind of a diva
and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo

lisence plate seems to be headed for some kind of breakdown. i hope she can get some help .
martin II

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny you say that you have Diva on Ignore, but you continue to post to her! Hmmm? Who's having the breakdown, Martin AKA Nettathirty?

Yes, it will be a help not having to hear from you or classylassy ever again, but I just consider the sources! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794815]

and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo


you will find that posters on your Ignore List will still try to reply to you-
just ignore it--thats what I do---- out of sight out of mind!!!

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***.

martin II

[sassylassy]

QUOTE=martin II
--snip-----

and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo



you will see posters on your Ignore List still posting to you-but just ignore it--thats what I do---- out of sight out of mind!!!

at some point this will be considered harrassment or stalking!!
imo--jmo

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794826]

snipped--

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some


martin II


sorry-I was in edit mode still when u posted your reply to me.

i say we get back on topic :beer:

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794828]


sorry-I was in edit mode still when u posted your reply to me.

i say we get back on topic :beer:

good idea
martin II

[martin II]

sassy
i am reading the remainder of coras deposition. she give good information into nicoles and oj's lives mainly i think because she was so close to both.
i was surprised that after the divoice faye became more friendly with oj to some extent and this bothered nicole.i always thought that faye did not like oj and he did not like her.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
:lol:
Funny you say that you have Diva on Ignore, but you continue to post to her! Hmmm? Who's having the breakdown, Martin AKA Nettathirty?


Oh gawd, he's so confused. I'm a "wannabe cop"? I've NEVER had any such desire, nor have I posted such a thing. :rolleyes:

[weezer]

Martin,

Thank you. You are obviously a man of high intelligence and a gentleman.

:lol: riiiigggghhhttt :lol:

[weezer]

william
I do compliment you on your tolarance and knowledge.
martin II

:lol: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight :lol:

[weezer]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794826]

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***.

martin II

You've been in a real mood lately -- baiting and then attacking when the person responds BUT I think calling other posters names may have put you over the edge.

[socaldiva]

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***. martin II

I missed this gem of a post until now. You are either horribly confused or out & out lying when you refer to me as a "wanna be cop that snitches on neighbors". Sometimes I wish I were lonely, but that's not the case either. There is no basis in truth for any of the rubbish contained in your post here, but then again that seems to me your MO across this board. You are a joke.

You prefer to deal with "quality people"? WTH would quality people want to associate with you? You seem to sit here 24 hrs a day & seem to have trouble reading, spelling & understanding basic ideas.

[sassylassy]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

[socaldiva]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

Sorry about that. I changed it. I'm having a hard time with quoting on this new board.

[martin II]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

i have no idea.

martin II

[socaldiva]

i have no idea.

martin II

Of course you don't :rolleyes:

As they say in court, asked & answered....move on.

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794828]

You've been in a real mood lately -- baiting and then attacking when the person responds BUT I think calling other posters names may have put you over the edge.

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

[martin II]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II

[socaldiva]

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

Sure. Referring to posters as lonely drunkard skanks isn't baiting. :rolleyes:

Evidently you see all kinds of things that aren't there. No one is "stalking" you or william. That's laughable.

[weezer]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II

I don't think it's being done by the posters but rather by something going on with "Quotes" on this board.

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794845]

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

you are wrong to ask me about nude pictures of myself and wrong to call another poster a skank and wrong to call other posters drunks. If you think that's stalking your posts, then so be it. Someone needs to remind you when you go too far.

[martin II]

I don't think it's being done by the posters but rather by something going on with "Quotes" on this board.

the moderator should know
martin II

[socaldiva]

the moderator should know
martin II

If you had half a thinking brain, you would know that a poster can NOT go in & edit someone else's post in the manner you suggest.

Go ahead, run to the moderator & embarrass yourself. :tongue:

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794869]

you are wrong to ask me about nude pictures of myself and wrong to call another poster a skank and wrong to call other posters drunks. If you think that's stalking your posts, then so be it. Someone needs to remind you when you go too far.

fbg

i have no interest in what knid of picture you may or may not have ACTUALLY.

You are the one that started all the talk about NAKED pictures as you call them.

you are wrong to make snide remarks about my trip to africa and what i said about j brown.

why not have a cup of coffee and stop all attemps to start a argument with me.

therer are many posters that you can post to here.

martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II


:shrug: I noticed that on a few posts. I think its a board problem-
I will let FW know.:read:

[limakey]

Mr. August,

The DA's were in total control of the case. There was nothing the defense could have done if the DA's introduced his statement. Also, Marcia Clark was really the first chair DA in name only. She had an army of lawyers working on this case. And again, if the blood was indeed fresh, then what arguement could the defense come up with--when Simpson himself said that he hadn't been there in a few weeks.

This is simple Mr. August, Marcia Clark was told that the "x-ray" of the drops would not help her case. The drops were so degraded that there was no way to prove it was "fresh" blood. Don't you think Marcia Clark sent out a posse of investigators to talk to every person who had been in Nicole's home in the last couple weeks of her life to see if they saw those blood drops or not? Also, the DA's only introduce that the blood could have been degraded because of the broken A/C unit---yet they provided no evidence of this. Why not?

And again, what sympathy did Simpson generate for himself in his interview? What were the softball questions? Plain and simple Mr. August, Simpson said nothing to implicate himself of the murders either in his phone conversation with Phillips or in the interview with Lange and Vanatter. If there was a way for Clark to prove those blood drops were not there before that that night, the statement would have been introduced. She was wise to leave it alone and she was wise enough to take her lumps on this issue. IMO.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

I have supported my claims with evidence and common sense. You have posted over and over again they had no reason to suspect Simpson, yet you have not provided any evidence on why they wouldn't have suspected him.
You have not provided any evidence where Sydney and Justin were the first priority.

The only thing you have done is to repost testimony from witnesses who had many months to come up with a story and to stick with it no matter what. You have not provided any evidence as to why the police's testimony and actions do not match up.

However, in thinking about Commander Bushy's order, he may be telling the truth about why he gave the order---because he already knew what the detectives knew---so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying.

[jotun]

no one knows the origin of the fibers so the fibers could have come from any place including the blanket that the cops whisked all over the crime scene, their uniforms and clothes or they could have been put on the sock in the lab when they were dropping blood on them.
martin II

Martin,

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

jotun

[weezer]

Martin,

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

jotun

Oh my! what the item is doesn't matter -- the fact that the fibers matched does.

Just for grins, where do you think they got unpreserved blood to drop around in the lab?

[2L8 4A D8]

I missed this gem of a post until now. You are either horribly confused or out & out lying when you refer to me as a "wanna be cop that snitches on neighbors". Sometimes I wish I were lonely, but that's not the case either. There is no basis in truth for any of the rubbish contained in your post here, but then again that seems to me your MO across this board. You are a joke.

You prefer to deal with "quality people"? WTH would quality people want to associate with you? You seem to sit here 24 hrs a day & seem to have trouble reading, spelling & understanding basic ideas.

:beer: Right on, Diva! Yeah, Quality People! He wouldn't know Quality People if they hit him square in the face! And, like you said, what kind of Quality People would want to associate with him? None. Nada. Zilch! Just consider all of the NG sources!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally Posted by limakey

Mr. August,

I have supported my claims with evidence and common sense. You have posted over and over again they had no reason to suspect Simpson, yet you have not provided any evidence on why they wouldn't have suspected him.
You have not provided any evidence where Sydney and Justin were the first priority.

I have never seen you post any of your ridiculous claims with any evidence or common sense. Posters have asked and asked and get nothing in return from you except for "baffling bulls*t!" In the scheme of things Limakey, WTH does it matter whether LE did or didn't suspect Simpson? Eventually they arrested him. I don't think that this surprised anyone ~ not even OJ! Your incessant posting of this is totally irrelevant to the murders of Nicole and Ron.

You have also not provided any evidence to support whether "Sydney and Justin were the first priority." WTH does that got to do with anything? Geez! GMAB!

The only thing you have done is to repost testimony from witnesses who had many months to come up with a story and to stick with it no matter what. You have not provided any evidence as to why the police's testimony and actions do not match up.

Blah Blah Blah ~ again, totally irrelevant to the murders of Nicole and Ron!

However, in thinking about Commander Bushy's order, he may be telling the truth about why he gave the order---because he already knew what the detectives knew---so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying.

Wow ~ "so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying." Wow! You finally came to that conclusion ~ after how many years now?

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by limakey

Wow ~ "so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying." Wow! You finally came to that conclusion ~ after how many years now?

JMO and MOO!!

I would like to say that a witness takes an oath to tell the WHOLE truth.

[William Anthony]

Sure. Referring to posters as lonely drunkard skanks isn't baiting. :rolleyes:

Evidently you see all kinds of things that aren't there. No one is "stalking" you or william. That's laughable.

Diva,

I do not care, if you stalk me or not. What I would question is why you never come out from the bushes.:)

[William Anthony]

:beer: Right on, Diva! Yeah, Quality People! He wouldn't know Quality People if they hit him square in the face! And, like you said, what kind of Quality People would want to associate with him? None. Nada. Zilch! Just consider all of the NG sources!

JMO and MOO!!

I would be happy to associate with you and Martin.

[William Anthony]

And aliens from outer space could have been the real killers.

bobaugust

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.

[martin II]

Oh my! what the item is doesn't matter -- the fact that the fibers matched does.

Just for grins, where do you think they got unpreserved blood to drop around in the lab?

take a look at the blood that Paretis could not account for that he took from
ojs arm using that syringe. He was never able to prove how much he took because there was no record made when he drew the blood.imo
martin II

[weezer]

take a look at the blood that Paretis could not account for that he took from
ojs arm using that syringe. He was never able to prove how much he took because there was no record made when he drew the blood.imo
martin II

So LE took it back to Bundy and planted it, drove over to where the Bronco was and smeared it around (being sure to mix it with the victims' blood), went to Rockingham and dropped it going up his drive and in his entry, put some on top of the glove being sure to mix it with the victim's blood, dropped some on his socks being sure to mix it with Nicole's blood, and then, for the grand finale, LE found a pair of size 12 BM's (being sure that the wearer knew to walk pigeon-toed) -- put the victims' blood on the bottom, walked on the sidewalk while dropping orenthal's blood from the left (of course, who knew orenthal had cut himself on his left hand) -- and finally leaving a footprint in the Bronco in the victims' blood? Is that what you're saying?

[weezer]

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.

oh we know -- the majority of the world knows: orenthal james simpson, the Butcher of Brentwood.

[William Anthony]

So LE took it back to Bundy and planted it, drove over to where the Bronco was and smeared it around (being sure to mix it with the victims' blood), went to Rockingham and dropped it going up his drive and in his entry, put some on top of the glove being sure to mix it with the victim's blood, dropped some on his socks being sure to mix it with Nicole's blood, and then, for the grand finale, LE found a pair of size 12 BM's (being sure that the wearer knew to walk pigeon-toed) -- put the victims' blood on the bottom, walked on the sidewalk while dropping orenthal's blood from the left (of course, who knew orenthal had cut himself on his left hand) -- and finally leaving a footprint in the Bronco in the victims' blood? Is that what you're saying?

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.
__________________

[William Anthony]

oh we know -- the majority of the world knows: orenthal james simpson, the Butcher of Brentwood.

The majority have an opinion, but to know, imo, is quite another animal.

[bobaugust]

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.
__________________

That's not true. The crime scene was not any more contaminated then other outdoor crime scenes, not handled any differently then other crime scenes before. To suggest that since every single piece of evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson and none of it points to anyone else is due to contamination and supposed sloppy handling is nothing but an excuse to deny the reality of the evidence.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

That's not true. The crime scene was not any more contaminated then other outdoor crime scenes, not handled any differently then other crime scenes before. To suggest that since every single piece of evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson and none of it points to anyone else is due to contamination and supposed sloppy handling is nothing but an excuse to deny the reality of the evidence.

bobaugust

That is not my suggestion at all; only that contamination cannot reasonably lead to a conviction. The fact that you think this crime scene was as contaminated as other outdoor crime scenes, suggests, imho, that there may be a lot of crimes that need to be reviewed. I am not denying the reality of the evidence, only questioning its weight.

[bobaugust]

That is not my suggestion at all; only that contamination cannot reasonably lead to a conviction. The fact that you think this crime scene was as contaminated as other outdoor crime scenes, suggests, imho, that there may be a lot of crimes that need to be reviewed. I am not denying the reality of the evidence, only questioning its weight.

I might agree with you if even one single piece of evidence pointed to someone other than Simpson. Every single drop of blood that was identified came from only three people, the two victims and Simpson. All of the relevant physical evidence pointed only to Simpson. None of it pointed to anyone else. Noting eliminated Simpson.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

I might agree with you if even one single piece of evidence pointed to someone other than Simpson. Every single drop of blood that was identified came from only three people, the two victims and Simpson. All of the relevant physical evidence pointed only to Simpson. None of it pointed to anyone else. Noting eliminated Simpson.

bobaugust

We have discussed the fact that he could have bled there on another occasion and that LE trampled through the scene without any protective clothing, and the injection of the blanket and the ease with which trace is transfered, missing blood, M socks, mistakes in the collection and at the lab. I cannot give the weight that you do to the evidence under those circumstances.

[bobaugust]

We have discussed the fact that he could have bled there on another occasion and that LE trampled through the scene without any protective clothing, and the injection of the blanket and the ease with which trace is transfered, missing blood, M socks, mistakes in the collection and at the lab. I cannot give the weight that you do to the evidence under those circumstances.

The reality of those suggestions has been explained. There is no evidence that Simpson previously bled at Bundy, in fact just the opposite based on Simpson's admission and the fact that the blood at the murder scene was fresh blood not old blood.

The blanket had nothing to do with any of the fiber evidence that was found on Ron, or the fiber evidence found at Rockingham. It would only have been connected to any fiber evidence found on Nicole.

Every claim that there was missing blood that was used to plant on evidence was proven false. There were no mistakes in the collection of evidence or at the lab that changed one single piece of evidence. The claims you offer are not credible, explained by reasonable explanations, and only excuses for some people to ignore the reality that all of the evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson. None of it points to anyone else. Nothing eliminates Simpson.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

There is no evidence that Simpson previously bled at Bundy, in fact just the opposite based on Simpson's admission and the fact that the blood at the murder scene was fresh blood not old blood.

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bobaugust

Where is Classy, Limakey or Kate (smile)? We have previously discussed that I do not recall is not no I did not.

[bobaugust]

Where is Classy, Limakey or Kate (smile)? We have previously discussed that I do not recall is not no I did not.

I do not recall is not the important fact. The important fact is that he hadn't been at Nicole's for 5 days or a week prior to the murders and then only to pick up or drop off his kids. The blood drops found at Bundy were fresh blood and went from the victims up the long walkway to the rear of the condo, drops found on the rear gate and on the cement outside that gate.

Those drops started the blood trail that led from the victims to inside Simpson's house. Your argument that the drops could have been old blood is false.

bobaugust

[limakey]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began.

Another reason why they had to lie on this issue was because Vanatter needed something to justifiy his search. Even though he was sited for "reckless disregard", he knew it would be enough to keep the search legal.

Think about it 2Late, if OJ Simpson was the killer, do you really think that he would have just gone back to Rockingham and waited for the police? The fact that the police went there, confirmed their natural beliefs, Simpson was the prime suspect, he left town trying to establish his alibi.

I agree with your one post, common sense tells you the police suspected Simpson, however, you haven't provided a "common sense" reason on why the police testified they didn't suspect Simpson. IMO.

[limakey]

William,

Why I agree with you that a witness is supposed to tell the whole truth, you must agree that lawyers, on both sides know how to ask a question where just a shade of the truth is acceptable.

However, if Bushy already knew through the "blue grapevine", he could given only one reason to go over to Rockingham. Yet, as Watch Commander, (and Fuhrman's comment to a watch commander makes total sense) he was only responsible for the patrol officers. I don't think his words carried the same weight with the detectives.

Didn't Fuhrman make a comment to a commander something about why he knew what the caused the wounds to Ron and Nicole when the watch commander didn't?

I know I asked you this before and I understand how you feel about Fuhrman but if you read his book, I think you will understand why I want you to read it. It is the biggest "FU" yet in this case, even bigger then Simpson's "FU" to the media when it came that book. IMO.

[bobaugust]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began.

Another reason why they had to lie on this issue was because Vanatter needed something to justifiy his search. Even though he was sited for "reckless disregard", he knew it would be enough to keep the search legal.

Think about it 2Late, if OJ Simpson was the killer, do you really think that he would have just gone back to Rockingham and waited for the police? The fact that the police went there, confirmed their natural beliefs, Simpson was the prime suspect, he left town trying to establish his alibi.

I agree with your one post, common sense tells you the police suspected Simpson, however, you haven't provided a "common sense" reason on why the police testified they didn't suspect Simpson. IMO.

limakey, your reasoning is really screwed up. The police didn't know that Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. Your claim is pure baloney.

When they went to Bundy they were expecting Simpson to be there. That is the evidence in this case and no amount of pure fantasizing you continue to do changes that reality.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

<snipped>IMO.

See Bob's post above! :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

William,

Why I agree with you that a witness is supposed to tell the whole truth, you must agree that lawyers, on both sides know how to ask a question where just a shade of the truth is acceptable.

However, if Bushy already knew through the "blue grapevine", he could given only one reason to go over to Rockingham. Yet, as Watch Commander, (and Fuhrman's comment to a watch commander makes total sense) he was only responsible for the patrol officers. I don't think his words carried the same weight with the detectives.

Didn't Fuhrman make a comment to a commander something about why he knew what the caused the wounds to Ron and Nicole when the watch commander didn't?

I know I asked you this before and I understand how you feel about Fuhrman but if you read his book, I think you will understand why I want you to read it. It is the biggest "FU" yet in this case, even bigger then Simpson's "FU" to the media when it came that book. IMO.

Dear Limakey,

I was saying that the witness may not have told the whole truth. I do not know how much weight the detectives gave his words. Obviously not too much, until they had finished with their coffee and doughnuts. I do believe, that, as watch commander, he had control over all personnel on that watch.

[William Anthony]

limakey, your reasoning is really screwed up. The police didn't know that Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. Your claim is pure baloney.

When they went to Bundy they were expecting Simpson to be there. That is the evidence in this case and no amount of pure fantasizing you continue to do changes that reality.

bobaugust

If I might, there is nothing in Dear Limakey's post that states the police knew Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. I think that this may be another Freudian slip on your part.

[William Anthony]

I do not recall is not the important fact. The important fact is that he hadn't been at Nicole's for 5 days or a week prior to the murders and then only to pick up or drop off his kids. The blood drops found at Bundy were fresh blood and went from the victims up the long walkway to the rear of the condo, drops found on the rear gate and on the cement outside that gate.

Those drops started the blood trail that led from the victims to inside Simpson's house. Your argument that the drops could have been old blood is false.

bobaugust

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

[martin II]

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

wiliam
i think it was Dr Lee that said something like 'Too much blood where there should not be blood and not enough blood where there should be blood."

martin II

[socaldiva]

wiliam
i think it was Dr Lee that said something like 'Too much blood where there should not be blood and not enough blood where there should be blood."

martin II

Dr Lee should retire. He's become an embarrassment. imo

[William Anthony]

Dr Lee should retire. He's become an embarrassment. imo

Dear Diva,

He cannot help that those who feel the evidence proved Simpson was guilt are embarrased by his proficiency.

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

He cannot help that those who feel the evidence proved Simpson was guilt are embarrased by his proficiency.

Oh please. Like his proficiency for seeing another set of footprints & not knowing they were cast in cement? I've also seen him speak of other cases & have his facts wrong. He's turned into a bumbler.

[William Anthony]

Oh please. Like his proficiency for seeing another set of footprints & not knowing they were cast in cement? I've also seen him speak of other cases & have his facts wrong. He's turned into a bumbler.

Dear Diva,

As I recall there was some dispute as to whether or not they were cast in cement. Also, none of us are infallible, which does not mean that we are not more proficient in some areas than are others.

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

As I recall there was some dispute as to whether or not they were cast in cement. Also, none of us are infallible, which does not mean that we are not more proficient in some areas than are others.

As I recall they did turn out to be cast in cement & as I said, he's turned out to mis-speak in other cases. This is his field. If he's not proficient, he should retire.

[William Anthony]

As I recall they did turn out to be cast in cement & as I said, he's turned out to mis-speak in other cases. This is his field. If he's not proficient, he should retire.


Dear Diva,

We have a difference of recollection and, as I recall, the prosecution attempted to espouse that the shoeprint he identified were markings in the cement. This is your opinion that he is not proficient and I do believe he is still recognized and highly regarded in his field, although some do not like his testimony for some reasons.

[bobaugust]

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco.

Simpson's blood drops were found splattered around the inside of his Bronco, on the interior driver's door, on the instrument panel, on the steering wheel, as well as mixed with both victims blood on the center console.

Simpson's blood drops were found on the pavement behind the Bronco, on the cement just outside and inside his Rockingham gate, on Simpson driveway, and on his foyer floor.

That's the blood trail that leads from the victims to the inside of Simpson's house.

"I do not recall" bleeding said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found at Bundy. "Not that I'm aware of" said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found in his Bronco.

January 23, 1996 Simpson.
Q: And you weren't bleeding on her property. Is that true?
A: Not that day, certainly not, no.
Q: Well, some other day do you recall bleeding on the Bundy property?
A: I do recall at some point, and it may have been when we first got Kato, the dog, I do recall at one point Sydney and Justin getting me a--I don't know if it's Flintstones or something Band-Aid. I just don't recall when. That could have been months previous to this. I just don't recall.
Q: Well, did you cut yourself and were you dripping blood up the walkway at the Bundy property?
A: At that time? I don't know.
Q: At any time prior to June 12, 1994--
A: Not that I'm aware of.
Q: --did you ever drip blood up the Bundy walkway?
A: Not that I'm aware of
Q: Is it possible?
A: Anything's possible. But not that I'm aware of.

January 24, 1996 Simpson
Q: When you went to the Bronco to get the cell phone case and the windbreaker, did you bleed in the Bronco?
A: Not that I was aware of.
Q: Did you see any blood in the Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the cell phone case or the windbreaker?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on any of the garment bags that you were carrying or the luggage bags?
A: No.

Q: Did you see any blood on the foyer of your house -- of your entryway?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the driveway of your property?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood outside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Inside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood inside your bathroom in your bedroom?
A: On the 12th, no.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco.

Simpson's blood drops were found splattered around the inside of his Bronco, on the interior driver's door, on the instrument panel, on the steering wheel, as well as mixed with both victims blood on the center console.

Simpson's blood drops were found on the pavement behind the Bronco, on the cement just outside and inside his Rockingham gate, on Simpson driveway, and on his foyer floor.

That's the blood trail that leads from the victims to the inside of Simpson's house.

"I do not recall" bleeding said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found at Bundy. "Not that I'm aware of" said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found in his Bronco.

Q: Well, did you cut yourself and were you dripping blood up the walkway at the Bundy property?
A: At that time? I don't know.
Q: At any time prior to June 12, 1994--
A: Not that I'm aware of.
Q: --did you ever drip blood up the Bundy walkway?
A: Not that I'm aware of
Q: Is it possible?
A: Anything's possible. But not that I'm aware of.

January 24, 1996 Simpson
Q: When you went to the Bronco to get the cell phone case and the windbreaker, did you bleed in the Bronco?
A: Not that I was aware of.
Q: Did you see any blood in the Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the cell phone case or the windbreaker?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on any of the garment bags that you were carrying or the luggage bags?
A: No.

Q: Did you see any blood on the foyer of your house -- of your entryway?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the driveway of your property?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood outside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Inside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood inside your bathroom in your bedroom?
A: On the 12th, no.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

The problems here are that no one saw the Bronco on Bundy where you claimed he parked it, and, I will assume you will say this is coincedence. Not that I am aware is not the same as no, nor is not seeing the same as saying I was not.

[bobaugust]

If I might, there is nothing in Dear Limakey's post that states the police knew Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. I think that this may be another Freudian slip on your part.

No not a Freudian slip only your mistake of not knowing what limakey has previously posted. That's exactly what she has claimed.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

The problems here are that no one saw the Bronco on Bundy where you claimed he parked it, and, I will assume you will say this is coincedence. Not that I am aware is not the same as no, nor is not seeing the same as saying I was not.

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

bob

the bronco was also seen on rockingham at the time you think the killings occured by Mrs Rosa Lopez.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."

[William Anthony]

No not a Freudian slip only your mistake of not knowing what limakey has previously posted. That's exactly what she has claimed.

bobaugust

This is the part of the Lovely Limakey's post to which I referred, "The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began." As you can see, even though I believe she intended to state, "The police knew early on", she did not say that the police knew he was in Chicago before they went to his residence.

[bobaugust]

This is the part of the Lovely Limakey's post to which I referred, "The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began." As you can see, even though I believe she intended to state, "The police knew early on", she did not say that the police knew he was in Chicago before they went to his residence.

My response to limakey wasn't just about this last posting. This is an ongoing conversation I have been having with her for quite a while. Unless you have read her previous postings regarding this I can see why you took it as you did, but the fact is that limakey has claimed that the police somehow knew that Simpson was out of town before they went to Rockingham and that is the context that I took this posting to mean.

I'm sorry if you you misunderstood, but I assure you limakey didn't.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

bob

the bronco was also seen on rockingham at the time you think the killings occured by Mrs Rosa Lopez.
martin II

martin II, not true. Rosa Lopez testified the last time she saw the Bronco parked on Rockingham was shortly after 10:00 PM. The murders were committed after 10:30 PM.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

My response to limakey wasn't just about this last posting. This is an ongoing conversation I have been having with her for quite a while. Unless you have read her previous postings regarding this I can see why you took it as you did, but the fact is that limakey has claimed that the police somehow knew that Simpson was out of town before they went to Rockingham and that is the context that I took this posting to mean.

I'm sorry if you you misunderstood, but I assure you limakey didn't.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST

I am sure the lovely Limakey does understand your postings quite well. I, on the other hand, have trouble with them, as they are sometimes, imho, unclear as to what you are saying. I have found the lovely one to be quite articulate and, if I wrongly concluded that she meant before going to Rockingham, instead of early on, which she stated, then I apologize to both you and her.

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."

Yes, I do believe Simpson parked his Bronco on Rockingham when he returned from Bundy.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST

I am sure the lovely Limakey does understand your postings quite well. I, on the other hand, have trouble with them, as they are sometimes, imho, unclear as to what you are saying. I have found the lovely one to be quite articulate and, if I wrongly concluded that she meant before going to Rockingham, instead of early on, which she stated, then I apologize to both you and her.

Thank you. Although I consider being called brilliant a compliment it's obvious that you are using it to be facetious. Please do not put any names in front of my name when you address me. We are still trying to be civil to each other, are we not?

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Thank you. Although I consider being called brilliant a compliment it's obvious that you are using it to be facetious. Please do not put any names in front of my name when you address me. We are still trying to be civil to each other, are we not?

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Yes, I am engaging in civility and was not being facetious. I admire the dedication with which you follow your convictions and have done a more than admirable job of defending your position. However, if you wish me not to refer to you in that manner, I will abide by your wishes. You have placed some good arguments in support of your position, imho. I really did not mean it derrogatorily and wonder, if you have considered or were LE.

[William Anthony]

Yes, I do believe Simpson parked his Bronco on Rockingham when he returned from Bundy.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

I will call you that only until I have received futher word that you do not want me to, after my prior post. Here is your post and you meant Bundy as you stated, not Rockingham.

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Anthony
BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."
bobaugust

[martin II]

martin II, not true. Rosa Lopez testified the last time she saw the Bronco parked on Rockingham was shortly after 10:00 PM. The murders were committed after 10:30 PM.

bobaugust

shortly after 10:00 can be 10;15 10;20 10;25
martin ii

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

I will call you that only until I have received futher word that you do not want me to, after my prior post. Here is your post and you meant Bundy as you stated, not Rockingham.

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Anthony
BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."
bobaugust

Sorry, my mistake. I did misread your post and thought you were referring to Rockingham.

You are correct no one did see Simpsons Bronco parked behind Nicole's condo. The police saw the killer's bloody shoe prints going to the rear of the condo before they faded out. They also saw the killer's blood drops along the walkway on the rear gate and on the cement outside the rear gate. They also found some loose change on the cement outside the rear gate.

The police believed and not unreasonably so that the killer had parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo and his bloody shoe prints and blood drops were evidence when he left he returned to his car there. The loose change on the ground may have been dropped when the killer reached into his pocket to get his keys.

Robert Heidstra testified that about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he saw a white jeep like vehicle on Dorothy St. turn onto Bundy and speed away. That would be consistent with it coming from the alley behind Nicole's condo.

Please do not put names in front of my name when you address me.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Sorry, my mistake. I did misread your post and thought you were referring to Rockingham.

You are correct no one did see Simpsons Bronco parked behind Nicole's condo. The police saw the killer's bloody shoe prints going to the rear of the condo before they faded out. They also saw the killer's blood drops along the walkway on the rear gate and on the cement outside the rear gate. They also found some loose change on the cement outside the rear gate.

The police believed and not unreasonably so that the killer had parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo and his bloody shoe prints and blood drops were evidence when he left he returned to his car there. The loose change on the ground may have been dropped when the killer reached into his pocket to get his keys.

Robert Heidstra testified that about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he saw a white jeep like vehicle on Dorothy St. turn onto Bundy and speed away. That would be consistent with it coming from the alley behind Nicole's condo.

Please do not put names in front of my name when you address me.

bobaugust

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

[bobaugust]

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

Will do or will not do what?

The evidence is that the killer parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo. The killer would have needed a key to open the rear gate. A missing key to that gate was later found in Simpson's possession. When the first patrol officers saw that gate it was unlatched and slightly ajar.

A minute or so after Heidstra saw the white jeep like vehicle speed away from the murder scene, Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding Bronco when he ran a red light at San Vicente and Bundy nearly hitting her.

I don't believe it unreasonable to say that Simpson had parked his Bronco in the alley behind Nicole's condo based on all of the evidence that points to that fact.

The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

I also can't understand why you continue to say that Simpson injured himself reaching in his car or before looking for his cell phone or accessories when Simpson completely denies it. We know Simpson lied about even going to his Bronco before leaving for the airport so maybe you think he's also lying when he denied he cut himself, right?

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Yes, I am engaging in civility and was not being facetious. I admire the dedication with which you follow your convictions and have done a more than admirable job of defending your position. However, if you wish me not to refer to you in that manner, I will abide by your wishes. You have placed some good arguments in support of your position, imho. I really did not mean it derrogatorily and wonder, if you have considered or were LE.

I'm not really sure how to take your compliments, but thank you. Yes, I do wish you not put names in front of my name when you address me. No, I never seriously considered LE as a career.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

There was no parking allowed on "Bundy" and even if there was, do you honestly think that OJ is going to "park" his Bronco there on the night of the murders for one and all to see? Duh! No! OJ "parked" his Bronco at the only logical place that he could. In the alley behind Nicole's Condo where it wouldn't be so noticeable. Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

<snipped>

bobaugust

Bob, how can you be surprised? Only if something points directly towards the innocence of OJ Simpson will WA and all of the other NG's completely understand. If something points to OJ's guilt, they "all of a sudden" just don't understand anything and will argue the point, ad nauseum!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

no witness saw oj Bronco parked in the alley behind nicoles condo and Ms Stein lived right next door to nicole. Heidstra says he saw a white colored suv turn right from Dorothy onto Bundy which is in the opposite direction of oj's rockingham estate.(maby oj forgot which direction his house was) It was reported that white suv's were a popular vehicle in the brentwood community.So the suv that Heidstra says he saw a half block away from bundy could have belonged to anyone. But the bottom line is that no one saw oj or his bronco at bundy on 6/12. some would say he MUST HAVE BEEN THEREor HE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE it means nothing. jmo imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

...it means nothing. jmo imo

martin II

Yeah, just like all of your ridiculous posts, speculations, theories, fantasies, imaginations and wagnerisms, etc., etc. :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

While I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, that does not mean that Fuhrman did not know the law. We have heard for years and years, even if he is and/or was a racist, that does not mean he was horrible at his job. His shrink reports and performance reports were constantly laced with the same type comment, Fuhrman's desire to be in on the big bust. He was in his 19th year on the force, what could be a higher profile case?

From his own words, he constantly complains how many times he was one of the last detectives to arrive, yet he ended being the one who had to take charge, that only he had the strength or sense of duty to make calls that those above would not make.

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

There were also the blacked out entries of the cops cell phone records during this time---why were they blacked out?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.

[limakey]

Martin,

Do you know the distance between the carport and the blood that was found on a wire? It is very possible that Petrocelli might have wanted to give the impression that if Simpson was willing to climb a fence, maybe he was looking to use the various roofs on his estate to escape detection. Just a thought.

[martin II]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

While I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, that does not mean that Fuhrman did not know the law. We have heard for years and years, even if he is and/or was a racist, that does not mean he was horrible at his job. His shrink reports and performance reports were constantly laced with the same type comment, Fuhrman's desire to be in on the big bust. He was in his 19th year on the force, what could be a higher profile case?

From his own words, he constantly complains how many times he was one of the last detectives to arrive, yet he ended being the one who had to take charge, that only he had the strength or sense of duty to make calls that those above would not make.

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

There were also the blacked out entries of the cops cell phone records during this time---why were they blacked out?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.


limakey
thanks for this most informative post.

Actually for some time i believed that furhman made a trip to Rockingham before the four of them went to 'NOTIFY' oj imo jmo
martin II

[bobaugust]

no witness saw oj Bronco parked in the alley behind nicoles condo and Ms Stein lived right next door to nicole. Heidstra says he saw a white colored suv turn right from Dorothy onto Bundy which is in the opposite direction of oj's rockingham estate.(maby oj forgot which direction his house was) It was reported that white suv's were a popular vehicle in the brentwood community.So the suv that Heidstra says he saw a half block away from bundy could have belonged to anyone. But the bottom line is that no one saw oj or his bronco at bundy on 6/12. some would say he MUST HAVE BEEN THEREor HE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE it means nothing. jmo imo
martin II

No witness saw any vehicle parked behind Nicole's condo during the 15 to 20 minutes it was there. That's not evidence that it wasn't there.

About five minutes after Heidstra said he heard two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he said he saw a white Jeep like vehicle, with tinted windows, turn from Dorothy onto Bundy and speed away. Simpson didn't forget which direction his house was. He turned right to avoid his dog who may have been coming towards him, or to simply not drive by the front of Nicole's condo where he left two dead bodies and the front gate open. Simpson simply circled the block returning to Bundy north of Nicole's condo and then to San Vicente where he ran a red light nearly colliding with Jill Shively.

I'm sorry but your comments are what mean nothing but it's nice to see you finally understand that Simpson driving his white Bronco to Bundy is not as ridiculous as you have argued in the past. You never could seem to understand that before. Good for you.

bobaugust

[jotun]

shortly after 10:00 can be 10;15 10;20 10;25
martin ii

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

[bobaugust]

Martin,

Do you know the distance between the carport and the blood that was found on a wire? It is very possible that Petrocelli might have wanted to give the impression that if Simpson was willing to climb a fence, maybe he was looking to use the various roofs on his estate to escape detection. Just a thought.

limakey, Petrocelli wasn't trying to give any impression when he asked these questions. He asked them during Jason's deposition not in front of a jury. Petrocelli was simply exploring possibilities and learning what witnesses knew.

bobaugust

[martin II]

LIMAKEY

I should know this but i don't.
was the lapd "murder book" covering this case entered into evidence?

martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

According to Stephen Singular's book, his source said that Fuhrman did argue with his partner and it wasn't Ron Phillips. IMO, the DA's and LAPD were more then happy to have the public and the jurors believe that at least, in this cause, Phillips and Fuhrman were partners.

I find it odd that Fuhrman went to Rosa Lopez about what she saw and heard that night but never made a report. IMO, Roberts never testified because of this. Roberts might have argued the law on this, that there is no reason to hide this, or he was afraid that Lopez could have identified him, or he knew Fuhrman planted the glove and he was totally uncomfortable with this.

It makes no sense to me that Roberts never testified and it seemed to me that when Fuhrman went on his book tour, he couldn't say this guy's name enough. IMO.

[jotun]

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

Martin,
Johnnie also stated in court.That a few people had seen that Bronco that night.But were threatened by the DA's because they were illegals.

jotun

[martin II]

why did le have to ask sydne for a family members telephone number when oj's and the browns numbers were listed on the message board next to the telephone in nicoles kitchen. One of the detectives used this phone to make a call or calls.imo

However it may be that they DID call oj's house from nicoles phone and got NO answer.imo jmo
martin II

[limakey]

Mr. August,

Why would Simpson try to avoid his dog, I'm not sure I understand your point on this.

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, I believe that Simpson's house was called many times before the police went over there, which IMO, would have gone hand and hand with Bushy's order. "Of course we went to Rockingham, we called over and over again, no one answered, of couse were concerned."

Another interesting point, why did Vanatter and Lange ask Simpson about Nicole's maid, her live in status and if she was on duty that night but never asked one question about his maid--the same maid they used to justifiy their entrance to the estate.

While it appears to me that in CA, if you are live-in help, you can only be murdered in room. However, you think they would have at least made a half hearted attempt to look for other victims on the estate.

[martin II]

Martin,

According to Stephen Singular's book, his source said that Fuhrman did argue with his partner and it wasn't Ron Phillips. IMO, the DA's and LAPD were more then happy to have the public and the jurors believe that at least, in this cause, Phillips and Fuhrman were partners.

I find it odd that Fuhrman went to Rosa Lopez about what she saw and heard that night but never made a report. IMO, Roberts never testified because of this. Roberts might have argued the law on this, that there is no reason to hide this, or he was afraid that Lopez could have identified him, or he knew Fuhrman planted the glove and he was totally uncomfortable with this.

It makes no sense to me that Roberts never testified and it seemed to me that when Fuhrman went on his book tour, he couldn't say this guy's name enough. IMO.

limakey

On the geraldo show last month Furhman said several times that Brad Phillips found most of the evidence in the case including the blood drops in the rockingham driveway that Vanhatter said he found. Vanhatter turned red faced and declared that furhman was wrong that he,vanhatter,had found the drops inside the rockingham gate.

If furhmans account was true then it is more than strange that Brad Phillips was not allowed to testify. I think that Rosa Lopez testiony about the bronco being at rockingham after 10:00pm was true. I think that le got to her friend
and forced her to go against Lopezs story. Mby she had some immagration problems but as soon as they could they left the country. At least Lopez did.

The other question is who was it that Lopez heard on oj's property at about 12:00 midnight on 6/12. On a still night at about 10;00 pm with little or no traffic. it would be easy to hear voices from the sallingers propery to oj's as the houses were not that far apart.
Which lead me to ask why Park says he did not hear that bronco drive up in a hurry and park. If it did. The ashford gate was not really that far from the Rockingha gate.
martin II

[martin II]

Martin,
Johnnie also stated in court.That a few people had seen that Bronco that night.But were threatened by the DA's because they were illegals.

jotun

jotun

darden was good at making immagration threats to witnesses. He did it to Heidstra.
martinII

[martin II]

limakey
the salingers carport was almost flush against the wire fense. Not sure where you are talking about when you say blood on the wire.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

jouton
le puit the squeeze on Lopez and her friend and maby on that guy that was supose to be walking his dog at rockingham and said he did not see the bronco ( that he was not looking for) hahaha
martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, her most important testimony was about what she heard that night and not seeing the Bronco as well as Fuhrman interviewing her. Again, even if she did see the Bronco at 10:00 or a little after, doesn't eliminate Simpson.

[bobaugust]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.

limakey, you sure have a knack for fantasy.

Please post the page number where Shapiro wrote that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station fo find out where Simpson was.

You have no idea what Sydney said, you either make things up or quote rumors as fact.

Of course Vannatter knew that Simpson had contact with Nicole the day before. He would have learned that from Kaelin or Arnelle.

There was no reason to suspect Simpson except for the fact that he was an ex spouse. That is not evidence that he was the killer. It wasn't until the glove was found on his property and the blood drops were seen on his driveway that Simpson became a strong suspect.

Nothing Rosa Lopez said implicated any police officers being at Simpson's estate before the four detectives arrived. Your belief that 40 minutes after the bodies were found a legal search could have been made is contradicted by the reality of what actually happened.

The bodies were found by patrol officers at 12:17 AM. Sergeant Rossi, the watch commander called and woke Phillips up at about one o'clock in the morning on June 13. Phillips then called Fuhrman and requested he meet him at the West LA station. Phillips called Roberts and asked him to pick up his unit and meet him at the station. He also called Detective Nolan and told him to meet Roberts at the station. Fuhrman arrived about 2:00 AM. He and Phillips then drove to Bundy.

When the police arrived at Rockingham it was still dark outside and there were lights on in the house. That's the reason they were so concerned why no one was answering the gate bell. When they obtained Simpson's telephone number from Westec they were told that there should have been a live in housekeeper there. When no one answered the telephone their concern increased.

Your claim that the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early because of what he wrote on the search warrant doesn't make any sense. The fact is that when Vannatter wrote that search warrant he did know Simpson was out of town.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

limakey

On the geraldo show last month Furhman said several times that Brad Phillips found most of the evidence in the case including the blood drops in the rockingham driveway that Vanhatter said he found. Vanhatter turned red faced and declared that furhman was wrong that he,vanhatter,had found the drops inside the rockingham gate.

If furhmans account was true then it is more than strange that Brad Phillips was not allowed to testify. I think that Rosa Lopez testiony about the bronco being at rockingham after 10:00pm was true. I think that le got to her friend
and forced her to go against Lopezs story. Mby she had some immagration problems but as soon as they could they left the country. At least Lopez did.

The other question is who was it that Lopez heard on oj's property at about 12:00 midnight on 6/12. On a still night at about 10;00 pm with little or no traffic. it would be easy to hear voices from the sallingers propery to oj's as the houses were not that far apart.
Which lead me to ask why Park says he did not hear that bronco drive up in a hurry and park. If it did. The ashford gate was not really that far from the Rockingha gate.
martin II

martin II, you're getting screwed up. Phillips was not the one who didn't testify, Brad Roberts was.

I already explained to you that when Roberts and Fuhrman first saw the blood on the driveway it was after they returned from Bundy, after Fuhrman checked the glove there to see it it was a match to the Rockingham glove and then had it photographed.

While Fuhrman was at Bundy, it started getting light outside and Vannatter had seen the blood on the Rockingham drive and followed it to out the Rockingham gate to the Bronco. That's why when Roberts and Fuhrman saw the blood the Rockingham gate had been put in the manual mode and they were able to simply push it open to enter the estate and follow the blood drops.

No one got to Rosa Lopez, she told the truth despite what the defense wanted her to say although she tried to help Simpson as much as she could saying that when she saw the Bronco it was parked the same way crime scene photographs show it parked the next morning.

The voices and a car door slamming Lopez heard could have come from the street about 12:00 AM. Lopez said she heard Simpson's dog barking about 12:30, 12:40. There is no evidence what she said she heard had anything to do with the bodies that hadn't even been discovered at that time. Nor did it have anything to do with what Park could have heard or not heard sitting in his limousine at the Ashford gate talking on the phone.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

Why would Simpson try to avoid his dog, I'm not sure I understand your point on this.

limakey, it's possible that Simpson's dog tried to follow him. The bloody paw prints show that the dog went out the front gate and went towards Dorothy St. before fading out on Dorothy St. When Simpson came down Dorothy St. Maybe Simpson saw his dog coming towards him so he turned right on Bundy, and sped away.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

<snipped>

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them...

<snipped>IMO.

CSL Website: ~ Notorious Murders/Famous Murders

Bloody Sunday at Brentwood

"Being the ex-husband and therefore closely connected to Nicole, O.J. Simpson was a potential suspect from the very beginning; however as there was no evidence at this time that directly linked him to the scene of the crime, he was not an actual suspect. There would be much made of this subtle difference in the months ahead."

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

2Late,

When Vanatter realized that he would be forever shunned and made fun for his, "Mr. Simpson was no more of a suspect then you were Mr. Shapiro", he knew he had to come with something. I'll give Vanatter credit, he has taken a junk because of Mark Fuhrman. But then again, Mark Fuhrman has him by the balls, doesn't he? Seems Marky Mark loves having people by the balls.

To feel sorry for Mark Fuhrman is totally insane, he has more power now then he ever had on the force and he knows it.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

Your fantasy world must have gotten another blizzard---worse then Denver's!

It is amazing to read just how gullible you are when it comes to domestic violence, police misconduct, the law and what it truly mean to serve and protect.

IMO, there is more then enough evidence to suggest that what I'm saying is true. Reality check Mr. August, "speculation" is a detective's job. Base on "speculation" they knew Simpson was the prime suspect, they knew time was of the essence and they knew, even if wrong they had to act fast. Their motives never would have been questioned had the blood be found before 5:00 a.m. or the glove. Face it Mr. August, if you are so convince that no evidence was planted, then that same evidence would had been there between 12:00 and 3:00 a.m. No one ever contradicted with Rosa Lopez testified to. Fuhrman was caught, she remembered him.

[martin II]

limakey
if nicole did talk to her mother at 11 pm then oj did not kill her. this leaves open the possibility that she was killed sometimes after 11pm.
now could someone have broken into ojs house and stole the shoes, cap and glove??
i don't remember exacly what time the bodies were found. was it after 12 midnight? just a thought.
martin II

[William Anthony]

William Anthony,



William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

IMO.

Lovely Limakey,

I do hate snipping your posts, as they are so well written. If I was a detective, and, in this case, had a suspicion that the female victim was Simpson's ex-wife and the children his, I would have immediately informed my superiors and suggested contacting Simpson.

[William Anthony]

limakey, you sure have a knack for fantasy.

Please post the page number where Shapiro wrote that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station fo find out where Simpson was.

You have no idea what Sydney said, you either make things up or quote rumors as fact.

Of course Vannatter knew that Simpson had contact with Nicole the day before. He would have learned that from Kaelin or Arnelle.

There was no reason to suspect Simpson except for the fact that he was an ex spouse. That is not evidence that he was the killer. It wasn't until the glove was found on his property and the blood drops were seen on his driveway that Simpson became a strong suspect.

Nothing Rosa Lopez said implicated any police officers being at Simpson's estate before the four detectives arrived. Your belief that 40 minutes after the bodies were found a legal search could have been made is contradicted by the reality of what actually happened.

The bodies were found by patrol officers at 12:17 AM. Sergeant Rossi, the watch commander called and woke Phillips up at about one o'clock in the morning on June 13. Phillips then called Fuhrman and requested he meet him at the West LA station. Phillips called Roberts and asked him to pick up his unit and meet him at the station. He also called Detective Nolan and told him to meet Roberts at the station. Fuhrman arrived about 2:00 AM. He and Phillips then drove to Bundy.

When the police arrived at Rockingham it was still dark outside and there were lights on in the house. That's the reason they were so concerned why no one was answering the gate bell. When they obtained Simpson's telephone number from Westec they were told that there should have been a live in housekeeper there. When no one answered the telephone their concern increased.

Your claim that the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early because of what he wrote on the search warrant doesn't make any sense. The fact is that when Vannatter wrote that search warrant he did know Simpson was out of town.

bobaugust

This is if you believe the testimony without considering their demeanor when giving it and placing yourself in their position. I guess what I am saying is having blind faith.

[William Anthony]

Will do or will not do what?


A minute or so after Heidstra saw the white jeep like vehicle speed away from the murder scene, Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding Bronco when he ran a red light at San Vicente and Bundy nearly hitting her.


The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

snipped
bobaugust

You seem to have leftout that Heidstra testifed the vehicle saw went in the direction opposite from going to Simpson's home and therefore, Shivey was mistaken in her testimony or Heidsta was. I do not think the MF testified to the blood being a smear but rather a small drop. The reason that you cannot credit the fact that Simpson could have cut his finger/hand, reaching into the vehicle before the time of the murders, despite the coloration telling you that it happened in that way, is because it does not adhere to the testimony regarding the directionalilty of the blood drops found at Bundy, which would tend to exonerate Simpson and tend to show that he could have bled there on some date prior to the murders, imho.

[William Anthony]

limakey, it's possible that Simpson's dog tried to follow him. The bloody paw prints show that the dog went out the front gate and went towards Dorothy St. before fading out on Dorothy St. When Simpson came down Dorothy St. Maybe Simpson saw his dog coming towards him so he turned right on Bundy, and sped away.

bobaugust

You must not have ever raised a dog. Are you saying the dog stopped following, because he realized Simpson was not going home?

[William Anthony]

There was no parking allowed on "Bundy" and even if there was, do you honestly think that OJ is going to "park" his Bronco there on the night of the murders for one and all to see? Duh! No! OJ "parked" his Bronco at the only logical place that he could. In the alley behind Nicole's Condo where it wouldn't be so noticeable. Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

So, you disagree with Bobaugust. The fact is no one saw a Bronco parked anywhere near the residence. If the blood led to Bundy as Bobaugust posts and I state that someone should have seen the Bronco, you then disagree and say it was in the alleyway. If it does not fit, do not force it; just relax and let it go.

[William Anthony]

Bob, how can you be surprised? Only if something points directly towards the innocence of OJ Simpson will WA and all of the other NG's completely understand. If something points to OJ's guilt, they "all of a sudden" just don't understand anything and will argue the point, ad nauseum!

JMO and MOO!!

What I do not understandis why people try to change testimony, and there are those who rely heavily on it, when someone comes up with a contradiction/inconsistency in the testimonies of two witnesses.

[William Anthony]

No witness saw any vehicle parked behind Nicole's condo during the 15 to 20 minutes it was there. That's not evidence that it wasn't there.

About five minutes after Heidstra said he heard two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he said he saw a white Jeep like vehicle, with tinted windows, turn from Dorothy onto Bundy and speed away. Simpson didn't forget which direction his house was. He turned right to avoid his dog who may have been coming towards him, or to simply not drive by the front of Nicole's condo where he left two dead bodies and the front gate open. Simpson simply circled the block returning to Bundy north of Nicole's condo and then to San Vicente where he ran a red light nearly colliding with Jill Shively.

I'm sorry but your comments are what mean nothing but it's nice to see you finally understand that Simpson driving his white Bronco to Bundy is not as ridiculous as you have argued in the past. You never could seem to understand that before. Good for you.

bobaugust

Or it could have been a white jeep driven by the real killer, someone other than Simpson, who was making his escape, while fleeing the dog.

[martin II]

bob
i thought the bodies were found by a neighbor. not Rossi
martin II

[martin II]

william

the moment the detectives realized that the dead woman was nicole simpson
(furhman certainly knew what she looked like from past calls to rockingham)
furhman informed all of them at bundy, that oj was the husband and
therefore the first suspect.

This belief is what led them to decide it was best that all four went to rockingham. It has been reported that furhman saw himself as nicoles personal cop and furhman himself reported that mixed couples deserved as much static as he could give.

The u.s. military only sends one person to make notification of the death of a soldier why was it necessary for vanhatter to think four was required. This is just another lie that can be added to the list of other lies. imo
jmo
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

the moment the detectives realized that the dead woman was nicole simpson
(furhman certainly knew what she looked like from past calls to rockingham)
furhman informed all of them at bundy, that oj was the husband and
therefore the first suspect.

This belief is what led them to decide it was best that all four went to rockingham. It has been reported that furhman saw himself as nicoles personal cop and furhman himself reported that mixed couples deserved as much static as he could give.

The u.s. military only sends one person to make notification of the death of a soldier why was it necessary for vanhatter to think four was required. This is just another lie that can be added to the list of other lies. imo
jmo
martin II

Machismo Martin.

Do you not think it would have been a boost to all the careers of the officers involved in bringing down Simpson in a quick and thorough manner?

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

Your fantasy world must have gotten another blizzard---worse then Denver's!

It is amazing to read just how gullible you are when it comes to domestic violence, police misconduct, the law and what it truly mean to serve and protect.

IMO, there is more then enough evidence to suggest that what I'm saying is true. Reality check Mr. August, "speculation" is a detective's job. Base on "speculation" they knew Simpson was the prime suspect, they knew time was of the essence and they knew, even if wrong they had to act fast. Their motives never would have been questioned had the blood be found before 5:00 a.m. or the glove. Face it Mr. August, if you are so convince that no evidence was planted, then that same evidence would had been there between 12:00 and 3:00 a.m. No one ever contradicted with Rosa Lopez testified to. Fuhrman was caught, she remembered him.

limakey, I see. Reality to you is what you imagined happened.

I'm sorry but your reality is only based on a twisted imagination and is contradicted by all of the testimony given about this event in two trials. The only people who make the claims you make are police hating fanatics.

Of course the evidence was at Rockingham between 3:00 and 5:00. That fact does nothing to support your claims. Rosa Lopez never testified to anything that supports your speculation. She heard voices outside her house before the bodies were even discovered by the police. I have already posted the documented times that the detectives arrived at Bundy, what they did, and what events happened when the case was turned over to Robbery Homicide.

Your claims that you or some other Fuhrman haters made up are false and make absolutely no sense to anyone other than police haters. They have about as much credibility as aliens from outer space were the real killers.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

This is if you believe the testimony without considering their demeanor when giving it and placing yourself in their position. I guess what I am saying is having blind faith.

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Machismo Martin.

Do you not think it would have been a boost to all the careers of the officers involved in bringing down Simpson in a quick and thorough manner?

william
early on oj was the mark. it only remained to do the required 'NEGOIATIONS'
to set the stage.

the prosecution was suppose to give the jury a cohearant story line that would allow the jury to select and fit in pieces of testimony to make the story believable. Instead they gave the jury some convoluted story out of hell and some sleeping pills.imo jmo
martin II

[martin II]

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

bob
one has to be wired to accept le lies in order to know when the truth is not present.imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

I watched their demeanor on cross and the arrogance and frustration with which Vanatter came across. Perhaps, that is because he knew he had said something different to the mafia informant.

[bobaugust]

limakey
if nicole did talk to her mother at 11 pm then oj did not kill her. this leaves open the possibility that she was killed sometimes after 11pm.
now could someone have broken into ojs house and stole the shoes, cap and glove??
i don't remember exacly what time the bodies were found. was it after 12 midnight? just a thought.
martin II

martin II, there was no 11:00 PM telephone call. That if is as credible as if pigs could fly.

Your thoughts about someone stealing Simpson's shoes, hat, and glove are just as ridiculous but it's nice to see that you actually understand that evidence did belong to Simpson and you're arguments that they didn't were all bull crap. Good for you.

Boztep and his wife saw Nicole's body about midnight.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

I watched their demeanor on cross and the arrogance and frustration with which Vanatter came across. Perhaps, that is because he knew he had said something different to the mafia informant.

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

This could explain the demeanor, but more than likely he had been crossed before. I think it was the realization that the informant had been added to the witness list and he knew he was stuck. Whatever, the reason for the demeanor, I think that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted and, after testimony from the informant, decided just that.

[bobaugust]

This could explain the demeanor, but more than likely he had been crossed before. I think it was the realization that the informant had been added to the witness list and he knew he was stuck. Whatever, the reason for the demeanor, I think that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted and, after testimony from the informant, decided just that.

I doubt if Vannatter knew what witnesses the defense were going to call since this incident happened after the criminal trial had already started, and I doubt if he any concerns about what some people thought he might have said bull crapping around while having some beers outside work.

The defense tried to make a big deal out of something that was absolutely meaningless. Vannatter wasn't under oath when he spoke with these people and there is no evidence that he even said what they thought he said. Besides the fact the ex husband is always a suspect until he is eliminated just as other people may be suspects until they are eliminated.

The detectives went to Rockingham to notify Simpson following orders not because they thought he was a suspect. If the jurors actually believed that none of Vannatter's testimony could be trusted based on this then it only shows again how ignorant and gullible these jurors really were.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

Here is something else I found on page 29 of the aforementioned book, in which the MF admits to the truth. He stated that they now had probable cause to enter the house without a warrant, but tells their true motive for entering. He stated that, after observing the small blood spot and speaking with someone from driving a Westec patrol car, about the maid, a quick decision was made based mainly on what he observed on or in the bronco, which he stated Simpson probably used. Therefore, they used the maid as an excuse and suspected Simpson prior to that time, imho.

[martin II]

I doubt if Vannatter knew what witnesses the defense were going to call since this incident happened after the criminal trial had already started, and I doubt if he any concerns about what some people thought he might have said bull crapping around while having some beers outside work.

The defense tried to make a big deal out of something that was absolutely meaningless. Vannatter wasn't under oath when he spoke with these people and there is no evidence that he even said what they thought he said. Besides the fact the ex husband is always a suspect until he is eliminated just as other people may be suspects until they are eliminated.

The detectives went to Rockingham to notify Simpson following orders not because they thought he was a suspect. If the jurors actually believed that none of Vannatter's testimony could be trusted based on this then it only shows again how ignorant and gullible these jurors really were.

bobaugust


bob
you may need to review itos jury instructions about rejecting some or all of a witnesses testimony if they believed he lied on some testimony.imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

I doubt if Vannatter knew what witnesses the defense were going to call since this incident happened after the criminal trial had already started, and I doubt if he any concerns about what some people thought he might have said bull crapping around while having some beers outside work.

The defense tried to make a big deal out of something that was absolutely meaningless. Vannatter wasn't under oath when he spoke with these people and there is no evidence that he even said what they thought he said. Besides the fact the ex husband is always a suspect until he is eliminated just as other people may be suspects until they are eliminated.

The detectives went to Rockingham to notify Simpson following orders not because they thought he was a suspect. If the jurors actually believed that none of Vannatter's testimony could be trusted based on this then it only shows again how ignorant and gullible these jurors really were.

bobaugust

There is something called a statement against interest, which, imo, Vanatter made. I have no idea what you are talking about in regard to having beer, because the statement was made when he talked to the informant at the courthouse on the roof. The evidence is they testified to what he said. I differ with your assessment of the intelligence of the jury, since they are instructed that can choose to believe all, part or none of a witness' testimony. To the contrary, they used the discretion afforded to them by law. This was not a trivial matter about which Vanatter testified. The evidence would/could have been excluded based on the lawfulness of the search. I think those sophisticated jurors used their impeccable intelligence to arrive at the conclusion that Vanatter was not telling the truth.

[tazzybaby]

This could explain the demeanor, but more than likely he had been crossed before. I think it was the realization that the informant had been added to the witness list and he knew he was stuck. Whatever, the reason for the demeanor, I think that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted and, after testimony from the informant, decided just that.

I know you have missed me :D I have been on vacation.

It is interesting how you put so much credence on the demeanor of the witnesses on the stand. Especially in light of the fact that Fuhrman came across as very believeable.

I would like to know what you think about OJ's demeanor on the stand. It was quite different from his demeanor at the criminal trial. Because I believe that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted. He was contradicted even by his own best friend.

[William Anthony]

I know you have missed me :D I have been on vacation.

It is interesting how you put so much credence on the demeanor of the witnesses on the stand. Especially in light of the fact that Fuhrman came across as very believeable.

I would like to know what you think about OJ's demeanor on the stand. It was quite different from his demeanor at the criminal trial. Because I believe that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted. He was contradicted even by his own best friend.

As I do not know your gender, I will refer to you as terrific tbaby.

Hope you had a good vacation. I did not think the MF came off as credible, when he was crossed, although the majority of the media reported he did. I seem to remember the strained look on his face when he said all of them (who said he had used the n word) were liars. I did not follow the civil trial and did not know it was televised or I may have. I have already stated that respect the civil and criminal verdicts. Did you miss me?

[martin II]

As I do not know your gender, I will refer to you as terrific tbaby.

Hope you had a good vacation. I did not think the MF came off as credible, when he was crossed, although the majority of the media reported he did. I seem to remember the strained look on his face when he said all of them (who said he had used the n word) were liars. I did not follow the civil trial and did not know it was televised or I may have. I have already stated that respect the civil and criminal verdicts. Did you miss me?

tazzy
the juror sitting closets to the witnerss stand said that furhman, when quesitoned, was pushing his feet against the jury box and had a expression on his face that told her that he was not telling the truth.imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

So, you disagree with Bobaugust. The fact is no one saw a Bronco parked anywhere near the residence. If the blood led to Bundy as Bobaugust posts and I state that someone should have seen the Bronco, you then disagree and say it was in the alleyway. If it does not fit, do not force it; just relax and let it go.

Wasn't answering Bob's post, *****! I was answering your post! Duh! The blood led to Bundy? Isn't it more like "the blood led from Bundy to Rockingham?" What with your love of "twisting and spinning" posts, I don't know what you are saying most of the time. Oops, should be "ALL of the time!"

JMO and MOO!!

[tazzybaby]

As I do not know your gender, I will refer to you as terrific tbaby.

Hope you had a good vacation. I did not think the MF came off as credible, when he was crossed, although the majority of the media reported he did. I seem to remember the strained look on his face when he said all of them (who said he had used the n word) were liars. I did not follow the civil trial and did not know it was televised or I may have. I have already stated that respect the civil and criminal verdicts. Did you miss me?

Well, I was starting to feel left out with all the nic's...lol (female by the way)

I did have a good vacation. A very needed rest and relaxation time.

IMO Fuhrman came off (even in cross) as cool headed and relaxed. He came across as intelligent and believeable. Of course, if you already have a predisposition to distrust all officers, then I guess I can see where someone would automatically not trust. Kato came across to me as having something to hide and knowing more than what he was telling. Arnelle came across as having something to hide and trying to protect her father. As far as Vannatter goes....IMO he came across as someone offended that he was being called a liar, that he didn't do his job right and that he was part of a conspiracy. I believe he felt he had worked his way up to deserve respect. And, when he was doubted he was truly offended and pissed.

The civil trial was not shown on TV. However, snippits of OJ's testimony was. I have not believed one word he has said since. To go from the humble "innocent" OJ in the criminal trial to the fit throwing smart @ss in the civil trial really got to me. When I watched the criminal trial I had believed all who were on the stand until I had a reason not to.

[William Anthony]

Wasn't answering Bob's post, *****! I was answering your post! Duh! The blood led to Bundy? Isn't it more like "the blood led from Bundy to Rockingham?" What with your love of "twisting and spinning" posts, I don't know what you are saying most of the time. Oops, should be "ALL of the time!"

JMO and MOO!!

Bobaugust has admitted he stated the Bronco was parked on Bundy, and you disagreed saying it was in the alleyway. I have not twisted anything. If you cannot understand my posts, which are clear and ambiguous, might I suggest, without you taking offense, that you read more diligently, stop reading them, or do you want me to be more condescending.

[bobaugust]

There is something called a statement against interest, which, imo, Vanatter made. I have no idea what you are talking about in regard to having beer, because the statement was made when he talked to the informant at the courthouse on the roof. The evidence is they testified to what he said. I differ with your assessment of the intelligence of the jury, since they are instructed that can choose to believe all, part or none of a witness' testimony. To the contrary, they used the discretion afforded to them by law. This was not a trivial matter about which Vanatter testified. The evidence would/could have been excluded based on the lawfulness of the search. I think those sophisticated jurors used their impeccable intelligence to arrive at the conclusion that Vanatter was not telling the truth.

The testimony by Michael Wacks, an FBI agent, was regarding what he thought he over heard Vannatter say while speaking to Larry Fiato on the landing outside the courthouse in Feb 1985. Wacks did not hear the whole conversation or exactly what Vannatter said, only what he thought he heard Vannatter said. Wacks testified that was also was what Fiato told him Vannatter said.

Craig Fiato testified about an incident in Jan. 1985 in a hotel where they were drinking and Vannatter supposedly said that the ex husband was always a suspect and Fiato later told someone else that Vannatter said they always go after the husband. Vannatter was not under oath and he could very well have been bull crapping these people. Fiato testified that he was exaggerating what was said when he spoke with FBI agent Wacks just to aggravate him.

Vannatter testified that his comments were taken out of context and misinterpreted. Comments made not under oath exaggerated and distorted. As far as I'm concerned this was all nonsense and completely trivial. Only more meaningless arguments by the Simpson's defense to provide excuses to the gullible jurors looking for any excuse to blame the police and ignore the evidence that proved Simpson guilty.

bobaugust

[tazzybaby]

tazzy
the juror sitting closets to the witnerss stand said that furhman, when quesitoned, was pushing his feet against the jury box and had a expression on his face that told her that he was not telling the truth.imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

I saw his face and IMO he didn't seem to have an expression that he was lying. I don't know if pushing his feet against the stand really makes for a good argument of lying. I am by no means taking up for Fuhrman. But, I believed him until the tapes. Now, just by the defense asking the questions that they did I wondered what they had. So, would that make me or someone else think he could be lying? Possibly. Or could that make someone automatically not trust that officer when they already didn't trust officers? Probably.

[bobaugust]

Bobaugust has admitted he stated the Bronco was parked on Bundy, and you disagreed saying it was in the alleyway. I have not twisted anything. If you cannot understand my posts, which are clear and ambiguous, might I suggest, without you taking offense, that you read more diligently, stop reading them, or do you want me to be more condescending.

William, I have never said Simpson parked the Bronco on Bundy. I have always said he parked his Bronco behind Nicole's condo.

bobaugust

[martin II]

You must not have ever raised a dog. Are you saying the dog stopped following, because he realized Simpson was not going home?

:beer:

i am cracking up.

martin II

[William Anthony]

Well, I was starting to feel left out with all the nic's...lol (female by the way)

I did have a good vacation. A very needed rest and relaxation time.

IMO Fuhrman came off (even in cross) as cool headed and relaxed. He came across as intelligent and believeable. Of course, if you already have a predisposition to distrust all officers, then I guess I can see where someone would automatically not trust. Kato came across to me as having something to hide and knowing more than what he was telling. Arnelle came across as having something to hide and trying to protect her father. As far as Vannatter goes....IMO he came across as someone offended that he was being called a liar, that he didn't do his job right and that he was part of a conspiracy. I believe he felt he had worked his way up to deserve respect. And, when he was doubted he was truly offended and pissed.

The civil trial was not shown on TV. However, snippits of OJ's testimony was. I have not believed one word he has said since. To go from the humble "innocent" OJ in the criminal trial to the fit throwing smart @ss in the civil trial really got to me. When I watched the criminal trial I had believed all who were on the stand until I had a reason not to.

I will hereinafter refer to you as Tantalizing Tbaby. We may differ as to the witnesses' demeanors. kato came across to me as reluctant. As to Arnelle, I truly do not remember. I have not had time to locate the tapes of the trial, yet. Vanatter may have been offended or he may have been ashamed as he was trapped. I forgot to answer a part of bobaugust's post, pertaining to the statment that Vanatter made the statement after the trial began, which means nothing, imho. However, the defense, when the statement became known, had the duty to turn the substance of the statement over to the prosecution. I will add that I am glad you are a lady, as some posters are just females.

[2L8 4A D8]

Or it could have been a white jeep driven by the real killer, someone other than Simpson, who was making his escape, while fleeing the dog.

If the real killer was making his escape, while fleeing the dog, he would be fleeing to the nearest hospital emergency room because of severe dog bites, of which would have left his blood at the crime scene. There was only evidence of: Nicole's blood; Ron's blood and OJ's blood at the crime scene.

:read: Kato, the dog, has been discussed numerous times and why OJ wasn't attacked by Kato and also why OJ didn't have any dog bites! :read:

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

If the real killer was making his escape, while fleeing the dog, he would be fleeing to the nearest hospital emergency room because of severe dog bites, of which would have left his blood at the crime scene. There was only evidence of: Nicole's blood; Ron's blood and OJ's blood at the crime scene.

:read: Kato, the dog, has been discussed numerous times and why OJ wasn't attacked by Kato and also why OJ didn't have any dog bites! :read:

JMO and MOO!!

You have made the assumption that the dog contacted the killer(s). I am saying that the killer jumped into his white jeep to avoid the contact and sped away, and, since the jeep has never been found, we do not know whether the dog made contact or not. The one thing I am sure of is that the dog would not stop following his master, because the master made a wrong turn.:) This is all jmo.

[2L8 4A D8]

Bobaugust has admitted he stated the Bronco was parked on Bundy, and you disagreed saying it was in the alleyway. I have not twisted anything. If you cannot understand my posts, which are clear and ambiguous, might I suggest, without you taking offense, that you read more diligently, stop reading them, or do you want me to be more condescending.

What part of Bob has his opinion and 2L8 4A D8 has her opinion don't you get? Duh!

That's only YOUR opinion that your posts are clear and ambiguous. Not MY opinion! Can't speak for Bob! Don't like your picks! Still waiting for you to put me on Ignore, which will be a blessing!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

What part of Bob has his opinion and 2L8 4A D8 has her opinion don't you get? Duh!

That's only YOUR opinion that your posts are clear and ambiguous. Not MY opinion! Can't speak for Bob! Don't like your picks! Still waiting for you to put me on Ignore, which will be a blessing!

JMO and MOO!!

It was not stated as an opinion and, even so, yours disagrees with his, which is a problem with trying to convict. If this did not happen, then this did. I am not sure as to what you mean by my picks and ask you to explain. I learn from all, so hold your breath in breathless anticipation:).

[2L8 4A D8]

What I do not understandis why people try to change testimony, and there are those who rely heavily on it, when someone comes up with a contradiction/inconsistency in the testimonies of two witnesses.

Of course not! Because you only "understand" things when they point to the innocence of OJ Simpson! Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[bobaugust]

You have made the assumption that the dog contacted the killer(s). I am saying that the killer jumped into his white jeep to avoid the contact and sped away, and, since the jeep has never been found, we do not know whether the dog made contact or not. The one thing I am sure of is that the dog would not stop following his master, because the master made a wrong turn.:) This is all jmo.

You are sure that the dog would not stop following his master because the master sped away?

Are you really sure about that? The Akita had two masters. One sped away in a car and the other was lying in blood back down the block where the dog lived.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

You are sure that the dog would not stop following his master because the master sped away?

Are you really sure about that? The Akita had two masters. One sped away in a car and the other was lying in blood back down the block where the dog lived.

bobaugust

I said made a wrong turn. If the dog had been following, then the only reason to make the wrong turn would be to avoid the dog, which does not make sense if Simpson was the killer, because he was allegedly pressed for time and trying to avoid detection.

[2L8 4A D8]

You have made the assumption that the dog contacted the killer(s). I am saying that the killer jumped into his white jeep to avoid the contact and sped away, and, since the jeep has never been found, we do not know whether the dog made contact or not. The one thing I am sure of is that the dog would not stop following his master, because the master made a wrong turn.:) This is all jmo.

WTH? So which is it?

Kato just sat there like a good little doggie while this "killer" murdered Nicole and Ron?

OR

Kato was lying-in-wait at this so-called Jeep and like a good little doggie just let this "killer" jump into this so-called Jeep and drive away?

Yeah, right! I have made no ASSumptions. Opinions maybe. But not ASSumptions!

I can hardly wait to hear your "baffling bullsh*t" answer! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

It was not stated as an opinion and, even so, yours disagrees with his, which is a problem with trying to convict. If this did not happen, then this did. I am not sure as to what you mean by my picks and ask you to explain. I learn from all, so hold your breath in breathless anticipation:).

Whether you think that "it was not stated as an opinion," has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Again, good gawd, what part of "JMO and MOO" don't you understand? Talk about dense! :rolleyes:

Just My Opinion (JMO) and My Opinion Only (MOO)!!

[William Anthony]

WTH? So which is it?

Kato just sat there like a good little doggie while this "killer" murdered Nicole and Ron?

OR

Kato was lying-in-wait at this so-called Jeep and like a good little doggie just let this "killer" jump into this so-called Jeep and drive away?

Yeah, right! I have made no ASSumptions. Opinions maybe. But not ASSumptions!

I can hardly wait to hear your "baffling bullsh*t" answer! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

Are you still holding your breath in breathless anticipation?:) This was not my postulation but bobaugust's. I do not believe the dog was present at the time of the murders, nor do I believe the dog was following the killer(s). I believe the Killer(s) sped away taking the closest route to their destination. I was simply responding to bobaugust's post. In my opinion, there has been far too much significance placed on the dog. I have raised plenty of dogs and they will not let one master harm another, imho.

[bobaugust]

I said made a wrong turn. If the dog had been following, then the only reason to make the wrong turn would be to avoid the dog, which does not make sense if Simpson was the killer, because he was allegedly pressed for time and trying to avoid detection.

It makes sense to me. If he saw his dog was coming towards him he turned right to avoid the dog knowing he could simply circled the block. And yes he was pressed for time that's why after he returned to Bundy he was speeding and ran a red light at San Vicente.

It doesn't matter what you think he would have done, what matters is what he did do. Simpson did a lot of things that night that he could have done differently.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

It makes sense to me. If he saw his dog was coming towards him he turned right to avoid the dog knowing he could simply circled the block. And yes he was pressed for time that's why after he returned to Bundy he was speeding and ran a red light at San Vicente.

It doesn't matter what you think he would have done, what matters is what he did do. Simpson did a lot of things that night that he could have done differently.

bobaugust

You nor anyone else on this board knows for a fact what he did that night. So, you think that making a wrong turn confused the dog, and he circled the block, because he did not know another route home, correct?

[2L8 4A D8]

2Late,

When Vanatter realized that he would be forever shunned and made fun for his, "Mr. Simpson was no more of a suspect then you were Mr. Shapiro", he knew he had to come with something. I'll give Vanatter credit, he has taken a junk because of Mark Fuhrman. But then again, Mark Fuhrman has him by the balls, doesn't he? Seems Marky Mark loves having people by the balls.

To feel sorry for Mark Fuhrman is totally insane, he has more power now then he ever had on the force and he knows it.

I doubt that it would make you feel any better if Vanatter had stated to Shapiro that "Mr. Simpson was no more of a potential suspect than you were Mr. Shapiro?" However, since Vanatter didn't get sooooooooooo technical, let's just hang him by his b@11$! Isn't that the NG Mantra?

I never said that I felt sorry for Mark Fuhrman. I am extremely happy that he has risen above what happened to him and is doing so well. It just bites all of you NG's in the *** doesn't it? :tongue:

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

:beer:

i am cracking up.

martin II

I think you cracked a long time ago.....;)

[martin II]

You are sure that the dog would not stop following his master because the master sped away?

Are you really sure about that? The Akita had two masters. One sped away in a car and the other was lying in blood back down the block where the dog lived.

bobaugust

bob
talking about the dog

You have always said that oj let the dog out the front gate when he first encountered nicole in the yard. so i assume the dog was out in the street. Then nicole was attacked, ron came was killed and then nicole was killed.

Then according to you oj was at bundy and dorothy about to turn right when he ran into the dog.

However the proof that the dog was at some time on dorothy was the bloody dog prints found there.

If oj let the dog out first and the dog wonmdered to dirothy how did the dog get blood on his paws if nicole had not been mudered when oj let the dog out of the gate??
martin II

[bobaugust]

Are you still holding your breath in breathless anticipation?:) This was not my postulation but bobaugust's. I do not believe the dog was present at the time of the murders, nor do I believe the dog was following the killer(s). I believe the Killer(s) sped away taking the closest route to their destination. I was simply responding to bobaugust's post. In my opinion, there has been far too much significance placed on the dog. I have raised plenty of dogs and they will not let one master harm another, imho.

I notice you keep saying killer(s) when there is no evidence of more than one killer. Based on my speculation the Akita was outside the gate when Simpson confronted and fought with Nicole. We know the dog was present during the time of the murders since it was heard barking continuously by Robert Hiedstra and other witnesses.

Your belief about killers is based only on your imagination, contradicted by all the relevant physical evidence in this case that points to Simpson and only Simpson as the killer.

The fact is that Heidstra saw a white Jeep like vehicle with tinted windows speed away from Bundy about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo. The fact is that Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding white Bronco shortly after that and identified Simpson. Coincidence? I think not.

bobaugust

[martin II]

You nor anyone else on this board knows for a fact what he did that night. So, you think that making a wrong turn confused the dog, and he circled the block, because he did not know another route home, correct?

maby bob thinks the dog, talking to himself, reasoned," i wonder if oj knows he is going the wrong way i am not following him."
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I never said that I felt sorry for Mark Fuhrman. I am extremely happy that he has risen above what happened to him and is doing so well.

I felt sorry for MF at the time, but like you & I extremely happy that he rose above it & is doing well. I buy all of his books :D

[martin II]

I notice you keep saying killer(s) when there is no evidence of more than one killer. Based on my speculation the Akita was outside the gate when Simpson confronted and fought with Nicole. We know the dog was present during the time of the murders since it was heard barking continuously by Robert Hiedstra and other witnesses.

Your belief about killers is based only on your imagination, contradicted by all the relevant physical evidence in this case that points to Simpson and only Simpson as the killer.

The fact is that Heidstra saw a white Jeep like vehicle with tinted windows speed away from Bundy about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo. The fact is that Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding white Bronco shortly after that and identified Simpson. Coincidence? I think not.

bobaugust


bob
wait
earlier you said that when oj confronted nicole and was having this late night
conversdation with her, he ,oj, let the dog out the gate then.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Whether you think that "it was not stated as an opinion," has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Again, good gawd, what part of "JMO and MOO" don't you understand? Talk about dense! :rolleyes:

Just My Opinion (JMO) and My Opinion Only (MOO)!!

It has everything to do with it; if not stated as opinion it becomes fact or accusation. Keep trying, but I am not yet willing to let you be the cause of the breaking of my resolution. I will consider the source and advise you of that glass house you reside in, imho.

[socaldiva]

*snip*It has everything to do with it; if not stated as opinion it becomes fact or accusation.

2L8 ends each of her posts with a qualifier that it is her opinion when she puts JMO & MOO.

[bobaugust]

You nor anyone else on this board knows for a fact what he did that night. So, you think that making a wrong turn confused the dog, and he circled the block, because he did not know another route home, correct?

No we don't know for a fact what Simpson did only what witnesses tell us he did. I have no idea if Simpson knew another route home but based on the maps that I have seen returning to Bundy was the fastest way he could have gone.

Turning right didn't confuse the dog, it just got Simpson away from the dog as quickly as possible.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

snipped

The fact is that Heidstra saw a white Jeep like vehicle with tinted windows speed away from Bundy about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo. The fact is that Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding white Bronco shortly after that and identified Simpson. Coincidence? I think not.

bobaugust

Perhaps, I was not clear. The dog was not in the direct vicinity of where the murders were committed, imho. The prosecution did not believe her story and, if there had been a near accident, then, imho, the other driver would have come forward.

[martin II]

Are you still holding your breath in breathless anticipation?:) This was not my postulation but bobaugust's. I do not believe the dog was present at the time of the murders, nor do I believe the dog was following the killer(s). I believe the Killer(s) sped away taking the closest route to their destination. I was simply responding to bobaugust's post. In my opinion, there has been far too much significance placed on the dog. I have raised plenty of dogs and they will not let one master harm another, imho.

william

i believe the dog wa sup stairs in the childrens room half sleep when nicole opened the front door and walked out. I believe the dog had one ear open waiting to hear nicole return. when she did not return the dog got up and went looking for her since he did not hear the door close and her walking i the house. The dog went to the front walk, viewed the scene, stood by nicole for a moment or two. got blood on his laws and belly and went out the gate,up bundy towards Gorham barking and yapping when heidstra heard him
at about 10:35.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

i believe the dog wa sup stairs in the childrens room half sleep when nicole opened the front door and walked out. I believe the dog had one ear open waiting to hear nicole return.

OMG what a ridiculous post! Sheer fantasy dreamed up by Martin :rolleyes:

[bobaugust]

bob
wait
earlier you said that when oj confronted nicole and was having this late night
conversdation with her, he ,oj, let the dog out the gate then.
martin II

martin II, yes that's what I speculated happened. When Simpson first encountered Nicole as they were talking Simpson let the dog out the gate. After that is when talking may have turned to arguing and quickly escalated to a physical confrontation.

That's when the dog, outside the gate, started it's loud, unusual, continuous barking.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

snipped
bobaugust

What did you expect Vanatter to say? The MF stated in his book why they unlawfully entered the curtilage and Vanatter's statements adds credibility to the MF's account in his book.

[William Anthony]

I felt sorry for MF at the time, but like you & I extremely happy that he rose above it & is doing well. I buy all of his books :D

Dear Diva,

I have some property to sell you, since you obviously have money to spend on items of no value, inho.:)

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

I have some property to sell you, since you obviously have money to spend on items of no value, inho.:)

Waffling William,

I'm not in the market to buy anything from you. ;)

[William Anthony]

2L8 ends each of her posts with a qualifier that it is her opinion when she puts JMO & MOO.

Dear Diva,

I was talking about bobaugust's post, which was not stated as an opinion on which she felt compelled to intercede, imho.

[martin II]

martin II, yes that's what I speculated happened. When Simpson first encountered Nicole as they were talking Simpson let the dog out the gate. After that is when talking may have turned to arguing and quickly escalated to a physical confrontation.

That's when the dog, outside the gate, started it's loud, unusual, continuous barking.

bobaugust

well if oj let the dog out the gate before he killed nicole,i assumed he closed it behind the dog.
so how and when did the dog get the blood on his paws and belly?
martin II

[William Anthony]

No we don't know for a fact what Simpson did only what witnesses tell us he did. I have no idea if Simpson knew another route home but based on the maps that I have seen returning to Bundy was the fastest way he could have gone.

Turning right didn't confuse the dog, it just got Simpson away from the dog as quickly as possible.

bobaugust

So, if Bundy was the fastest way home, why turn or are you saying the dog was "SUPER DOG".

[bobaugust]

Perhaps, I was not clear. The dog was not in the direct vicinity of where the murders were committed, imho. The prosecution did not believe her story and, if there had been a near accident, then, imho, the other driver would have come forward.

The prosecution never disputed what Shively testified to, they were deceived with false information about Shively's character and thought that she lied to them about her deal with Hard Copy. The near accident was with Shively. There was another car involved that blocked Simpson's car. Wagner wrote that driver did contact the police but Shively was dropped as a witness before he was investigated.

If you wish to learn this for yourself, Dick Wagner wrote extensively about this.
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/eyes.htm

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/remember.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/sell.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/time.htm

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Waffling William,

I'm not in the market to buy anything from you. ;)

Dear Diva,

Why you just do not know what you are missing. Because my products are excellent, is why they do not come cheap.

[William Anthony]

The prosecution never disputed what Shively testified to, they were deceived with false information about Shively's character and thought that she lied to them about her deal with Hard Copy. The near accident was with Shively. There was another car involved that blocked Simpson's car. Wagner wrote that driver did contact the police but Shively was dropped as a witness before he was investigated.

If you wish to learn this for yourself, Dick Wagner wrote extensively about this.
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/eyes.htm

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/remember.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/sell.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/time.htm

bobaugust

I ask you now are you crediting Wagner? The fact that the police did not do their job, cannot be used to convict. Does it sound strange to you that LE had another eyewitness to Simpson's identity but failed to produce the witness?

[bobaugust]

well if oj let the dog out the gate before he killed nicole,i assumed he closed it behind the dog.
so how and when did the dog get the blood on his paws and belly?
martin II

martin II, you keep asking the same questions over an over.

When Ron Goldman arrived, opened the gate, and yelled at Simpson the dog could have entered then or any time after that since the gate was open. The dog got blood on his paws and belly some time after Nicole's bled to death as her blood pooled around her.

bobaugust

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

Why you just do not know what you are missing. Because my products are excellent, is why they do not come cheap.

Waffling William,

Perhaps when you are not busy "studying law", you can post your products on EBay. I hear those people will buy just about anything. :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Waffling William,

Perhaps when you are not busy "studying law", you can post your products on EBay. I hear those people will buy just about anything. :tongue:


Dear Diva,

I choose to have a more personal relationship with my clientele, but we may be advised that we are O/T.

[bobaugust]

I ask you now are you crediting Wagner? The fact that the police did not do their job, cannot be used to convict. Does it sound strange to you that LE had another eyewitness to Simpson's identity but failed to produce the witness?

That's a good question. Wagner based this on what he said was credible rumors. He also spoke of other witnesses to this incident. You can read the articles for yourself.

I have no answer for you since Shively was not written about by any of the key players in this case. All we know is what Shively testified to in the grand jury and that nothing she said has ever been disputed or contradicted by any one.

bobaugust

[limakey]

Martin and William,

Phillips called Fuhrman for a reason. Fuhrman was not on call that night.

IMO, who ever killed Nicole and Ron planned it very well and also planned to leave just enough evidence behind to buy some time for themselves. IMO, I think that 10:30 p.m. phone call indicates that who ever killed them was hoping those bodies would be discovered sooner, not later---they wanted the bodies found before Simpson's plane left for Chicago.

Vanatter lied on a very important issue in the search warrant, yet, I have to wonder why he felt he was so sure of the test results and why he felt so sure the judge would buy his half baked search warrant. IMO, I think when Fuhrman found out Judge Ito had the case, he let them all know that Ito would not be a problem.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

This is why your posts mean nothing---you make arguements that no NG has made. Did any of post that Rosa Lopez heard two men yelling or fighting and it was about dead bodies? Nope, don't think so.

I have been very clear, I do not believe Rosa's testimony about the Bronco was important. She did not give the wrong time, it was the defense's investigator who thought you needed 5 minutes to nuke a cup of water for tea or coffee. But again, even if she saw the Bronco at Rockingham at 10:15 p.m., that still does not eliminate Simpson. Pay attention to the facts, please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Rosa Lopez was never impeached about the time she heard voices or what she heard that night. She was not impeached about Fuhrman's questioning her, she was not impeached that he said someone else would also contacting her and she was not impeached that Fuhrman didn't write a report for her testimony.

You have nothing.com in regards to Brad Roberts---they DA's hid him, they had to, IMO.

[bobaugust]

Here is something else I found on page 29 of the aforementioned book, in which the MF admits to the truth. He stated that they now had probable cause to enter the house without a warrant, but tells their true motive for entering. He stated that, after observing the small blood spot and speaking with someone from driving a Westec patrol car, about the maid, a quick decision was made based mainly on what he observed on or in the bronco, which he stated Simpson probably used. Therefore, they used the maid as an excuse and suspected Simpson prior to that time, imho.

Fuhrman never wrote that they suspected Simpson prior to that time.

bobaugust

[martin II]

martin II, you keep asking the same questions over an over.

When Ron Goldman arrived, opened the gate, and yelled at Simpson the dog could have entered then or any time after that since the gate was open. The dog got blood on his paws and belly some time after Nicole's bled to death as her blood pooled around her.

bobaugust

bob
And you have never give a believable answer.
if oj closed the gate when he let the dog out, how did ron get the gate open
when he arrived?
martin II

[bobaugust]

What did you expect Vanatter to say? The MF stated in his book why they unlawfully entered the curtilage and Vanatter's statements adds credibility to the MF's account in his book.

What's the page number in Fuhrman's book where you read he said they unlawfully entered Simpson's estate?

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

That's a good question. Wagner based this on what he said was credible rumors. snipped
I have no answer for you
bobaugust

Thank you.

[martin II]

The prosecution never disputed what Shively testified to, they were deceived with false information about Shively's character and thought that she lied to them about her deal with Hard Copy. The near accident was with Shively. There was another car involved that blocked Simpson's car. Wagner wrote that driver did contact the police but Shively was dropped as a witness before he was investigated.

If you wish to learn this for yourself, Dick Wagner wrote extensively about this.
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/eyes.htm

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/remember.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/sell.htm
http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/time.htm

bobaugust

bob
Isee you are falling bck on wagner now. The guy you said just made up a bunch of theories and ended up still wrong.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Fuhrman never wrote that they suspected Simpson prior to that time.

bobaugust


What he said was that the blood was found on the bronco, which he said Simpson was "Probably" (suspected of) driving that he observed the blood above the handle, got down on his hands and knees and observed four small stains on the door sill which could be (suspected to be) from the driver's shoes, and read page 28 and then on 29 there is Westec giving them probable cause to enter without a warrant, although they has suspected him and suspected they may have a murder-suicide.

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

This is why your posts mean nothing---you make arguements that no NG has made. Did any of post that Rosa Lopez heard two men yelling or fighting and it was about dead bodies? Nope, don't think so.

I have been very clear, I do not believe Rosa's testimony about the Bronco was important. She did not give the wrong time, it was the defense's investigator who thought you needed 5 minutes to nuke a cup of water for tea or coffee. But again, even if she saw the Bronco at Rockingham at 10:15 p.m., that still does not eliminate Simpson. Pay attention to the facts, please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Rosa Lopez was never impeached about the time she heard voices or what she heard that night. She was not impeached about Fuhrman's questioning her, she was not impeached that he said someone else would also contacting her and she was not impeached that Fuhrman didn't write a report for her testimony.

You have nothing.com in regards to Brad Roberts---they DA's hid him, they had to, IMO.

limakey, I'm sorry but nothing you say makes any sense.

Rosa Lopez was not a very credible witness since Darden caught her telling lies, but what she testified to as to what she saw and heard that night in no way supports the claims and accusations you are making.

Rosa Lopez testified she heard men talking outside and Simpson's dog barking about 12:00 midnight.

That's when the Boztep first found the bodies. The police hadn't even been notified about the murders at that time.

Lopez testified the last time she heard voices outside was about 12:30 AM. None of the detectives had even been notified about the deaths at that time. Your claims have no credibility and are contradicted by the reality of the evidence in this case.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

What he said was that the blood was found on the bronco, which he said Simpson was "Probably" (suspected of) driving that he observed the blood above the handle, got down on his hands and knees and observed four small stains on the door sill which could be (suspected to be) from the driver's shoes, and read page 28 and then on 29 there is Westec giving them probable cause to enter without a warrant, although they has suspected him and suspected they may have a murder-suicide.

Fuhrman personal beliefs had nothing to do with the decision to enter Simpson's estate. That decision was made by the Robbery Homicide detectives and what they believed, not what Fuhrman wrote he believed.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

bob
And you have never give a believable answer.
if oj closed the gate when he let the dog out, how did ron get the gate open
when he arrived?
martin II

martin II, Simpson may have simply pushed the gate open enough for the dog to run out not latching it when he closed it.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Fuhrman personal beliefs had nothing to do with the decision to enter Simpson's estate. That decision was made by the Robbery Homicide detectives and what they believed, not what Fuhrman wrote he believed.

bobaugust

Even in the face of black and white, upon which you so heavily rely, you attempt to find a way out. I do believe he said we had probable cause, unless he was referring to the glove in the bag in his sock.:) Are you saying he was the smartest detective on the scene and the others were incapable of his deductive reasoning.

[socaldiva]

*snip* Are you saying he was the smartest detective on the scene and the others were incapable of his deductive reasoning.

This is what you got out of Bob's post? :confused:

[William Anthony]

This is what you got out of Bob's post? :confused:

Dear Diva,

Simply trying to understand. He seems to admit that the MF suspected Simpson, and I was just wondering, if he thought that the MF was the only capabe of making that deducttion based on the evidence seen in and on the Bronco.

[bobaugust]

bob
Isee you are falling bck on wagner now. The guy you said just made up a bunch of theories and ended up still wrong.
martin II

martin II, I have always said that the articles Dick wrote about Jill Shively were was his best work.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Dear Diva,

Simply trying to understand. He seems to admit that the MF suspected Simpson, and I was just wondering, if he thought that the MF was the only capabe of making that deducttion based on the evidence seen in and on the Bronco.

I don't believe Fuhrman said he suspected Simpson of these murders and I don't believe that Lange and Vannatter suspected Simpson of these murders when they went to Rockingham or when they entered his estate. Based on the nature of their job they may have thought about it but there was no evidence for them to actually believe it.

bobaugust

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

Simply trying to understand. He seems to admit that the MF suspected Simpson, and I was just wondering, if he thought that the MF was the only capabe of making that deducttion based on the evidence seen in and on the Bronco.

Waffling William,

I think you get the Geragos trophy for spinning today......

[2L8 4A D8]

You have made the assumption that the dog contacted the killer(s). I am saying that the killer jumped into his white jeep to avoid the contact and sped away, and, since the jeep has never been found, we do not know whether the dog made contact or not. The one thing I am sure of is that the dog would not stop following his master, because the master made a wrong turn.:) This is all jmo.

Are you still holding your breath in breathless anticipation?:) This was not my postulation but bobaugust's. I do not believe the dog was present at the time of the murders, nor do I believe the dog was following the killer(s). I believe the Killer(s) sped away taking the closest route to their destination. I was simply responding to bobaugust's post. In my opinion, there has been far too much significance placed on the dog. I have raised plenty of dogs and they will not let one master harm another, imho.

So, which is it?

The killer jumped into his jeep to avoid "contact" with the dog

OR

You do not believe that the dog was present at the time of the murders

OR

You do not believe that the dog was following the killer

Then just exactly where was Kato, the dog? Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

It has everything to do with it; if not stated as opinion it becomes fact or accusation. Keep trying, but I am not yet willing to let you be the cause of the breaking of my resolution. I will consider the source and advise you of that glass house you reside in, imho.

Sorry, wrong ~ again! I don't know how many times that I have told you to go find Coldwater's post, which is on this Board. However, you don't seem to want to do that because then it would show that you are obviously wrong and that I am obviously right! Can't stand it, can you *****!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

It has everything to do with it; if not stated as opinion it becomes fact or accusation. Keep trying, but I am not yet willing to let you be the cause of the breaking of my resolution. I will consider the source and advise you of that glass house you reside in, imho.

When it is stated JMO and MOO, that is your opinion. Oh, forgot to add ~ with your analogy, then ALL of your posts are fact or accusation because nowhere you do ever state JMO and MOO!! Maybe you should make that one of your New Year's Resolutions?

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

2L8 ends each of her posts with a qualifier that it is her opinion when she puts JMO & MOO.

Thank you Diva! However, the ***** just doesn't get it and never will! Just consider the source, as usual! ;)

[martin II]

martin II, Simpson may have simply pushed the gate open enough for the dog to run out not latching it when he closed it.

bobaugust

bob

This excuse will not work
martinii

[2L8 4A D8]

Dear Diva,

I was talking about bobaugust's post, which was not stated as an opinion on which she felt compelled to intercede, imho.

I only interceded because YOU stated that I AGREED with Bob. Again, you're twisting and spinning and baffling! Just STHU and don't put words in people's mouths. I have told you more than once that I don't like it and don't want you doing it to me. Can't speak for the other posters, but then you only seem to do it to me because you think that you can intimidate me. That sure makes you some kinda tough guy, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

Mr. August,

What lies did Rosa Lopez tell?

Was she lying that Fuhrman interviewed her? Is it a lie that Fuhrman never made a report about it?

Also, I believe I have stated many times that it is possible that the glove was planted by someone else that night. While I think Fuhrman is the obvious suspect, doesn't mean he was the only one who could have done or had motivation to do it.

Lange and Vanatter had no choice but to consider Simpson as the prime suspect. From the time the bodies were discovered, time was of the essence. Lange and Vanatter are professionals, it is their gut feelings, hunches that earned them the place in this elite police squardron.

The nature of their job does not allow their hopes to over-ride the obvious.
The nature of their job does not allow them to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

I agree with you that it is very possible that the dog was following the killer(s), however, he was following their progress, however, his encounter with Steven Swab stop this. I'm sure you know the evidence that may support this theory. If the Akita was following Simpson, I'm pretty sure he would have found his way to Rockingham.

Another point, apparently the dog's barking did change. It went from a frantic bark to a "wail". Apparently the wail was for Nicole's death.

[limakey]

William,

I totally agree with about the dog, however, what is interesting, if you believe that the dog could bark during the fight then wail for death, then you also have to believe that the dog later "proves" Simpson innocence.

What I find very interesting about the dog is the blood on the underbelly of the dog, was the dog held? Why would any killer allow the dog to bark and wail? Why not just kill the dog? IMO, the killers wanted the bodies to be found sooner rather then later, a wailing dog might just do the trick.

Also, it appears to me that most of the dog's barking and then wailing went on for several minutes---so if that is true, then doesn't that give evidence to a longer struggle rather then a shorter one?

Why did the dog stop pacing back and forth and when Steven Swab encounter the dog, was the dog stopping at every house and bark?

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

I agree with you that it is very possible that the dog was following the killer(s), however, he was following their progress, however, his encounter with Steven Swab stop this. I'm sure you know the evidence that may support this theory. If the Akita was following Simpson, I'm pretty sure he would have found his way to Rockingham.

Another point, apparently the dog's barking did change. It went from a frantic bark to a "wail". Apparently the wail was for Nicole's death.

limakey, the dog didn't follow Simpson's Bronco after he sped away. His other master was back at the house where he lived so he stayed around it. That's what Nicole's neighbor Louis Karpf testified to.

Karpf arrived at his home shortly after Simpson left. He parked in his garage and walked through his house and out his front door to the street to go to get his mail. He saw the dog in the middle of the street running or walking aimlessly and barking very loudly. He said when he approached his mail box the dog started to approach him, which scared him, so he retreated back inside his gate until the dog moved on.

About five or so minutes later Steven Schwab while walking his dog he approached the corner of Bundy and Dorothy St. and first saw the Akita. That was about 10:55 PM.

I don't buy into the speculation that the Akita was wailing for Nicole's death. I believe that the dog's loud and unusual barking was when Simpson was fighting with Nicole.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

William,

I totally agree with about the dog, however, what is interesting, if you believe that the dog could bark during the fight then wail for death, then you also have to believe that the dog later "proves" Simpson innocence.




limakey, once again your reasoning is backwards. The fact that the dog didn't attack the killer or that the killer killed the dog again points to Simpson as the killer. Even though the dog was upset with Simpson and Nicole fighting all it did was bark. None if the witnesses who heard the Akita barking ever described it as threatening or attacking. There is no evidence that the dog attacked the killer because the killer was the dog's master.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

What lies did Rosa Lopez tell?

Was she lying that Fuhrman interviewed her? Is it a lie that Fuhrman never made a report about it?

Also, I believe I have stated many times that it is possible that the glove was planted by someone else that night. While I think Fuhrman is the obvious suspect, doesn't mean he was the only one who could have done or had motivation to do it.



limakey, Rosa Lopez lied about having tickets to leave town.

So after arguing all the reasons why you believe Fuhrman planted the glove now you say someone else could have planted it. What complete bull crap. There is no evidence that either Fuhrman or anyone else planted that glove. The killer took his right hand glove with him when he left Bundy and unknowingly dropped it behind Kaelin's room when he scaled his fence to enter his property.

Your beliefs about what Lange and Vannatter believed are contradicted by what they testified to and by the fact that they were following Commander Bushey's order to notify Simpson in person of his exwife's death and help him recover his children. An order that was first issued to Phillips shortly before the case was turned over to Robbery Homicide. That's the evidence in this case despite your refusal to believe it.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

I only interceded because YOU stated that I AGREED with Bob. Again, you're twisting and spinning and baffling! Just STHU and don't put words in people's mouths. I have told you more than once that I don't like it and don't want you doing it to me. Can't speak for the other posters, but then you only seem to do it to me because you think that you can intimidate me. That sure makes you some kinda tough guy, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

You are the one twisting things and you interceded and I stated You "DISAGREED". Here is the post;

Originally Posted by 2L8 4A D8
There was no parking allowed on "Bundy" and even if there was, do you honestly think that OJ is going to "park" his Bronco there on the night of the murders for one and all to see? Duh! No! OJ "parked" his Bronco at the only logical place that he could. In the alley behind Nicole's Condo where it wouldn't be so noticeable. Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

So, you disagree with Bobaugust. The fact is no one saw a Bronco parked anywhere near the residence. If the blood led to Bundy as Bobaugust posts and I state that someone should have seen the Bronco, you then disagree and say it was in the alleyway. If it does not fit, do not force it; just relax and let it go.
__________________

You continue to want to bait and be unnecessarily augmentative with me and twist my words in an effort to cause ire. However, you make yourself seem totally frustrated, inh&ro.

[William Anthony]

William,

I totally agree with about the dog, however, what is interesting, if you believe that the dog could bark during the fight then wail for death, then you also have to believe that the dog later "proves" Simpson innocence.

What I find very interesting about the dog is the blood on the underbelly of the dog, was the dog held? Why would any killer allow the dog to bark and wail? Why not just kill the dog? IMO, the killers wanted the bodies to be found sooner rather then later, a wailing dog might just do the trick.

Also, it appears to me that most of the dog's barking and then wailing went on for several minutes---so if that is true, then doesn't that give evidence to a longer struggle rather then a shorter one?

Why did the dog stop pacing back and forth and when Steven Swab encounter the dog, was the dog stopping at every house and bark?

Lovely Limakey

A barking dog always convicts the master or maybe not. The whole thing, regarding the dog establishes nothing, unless the dog testifies

[William Anthony]

When it is stated JMO and MOO, that is your opinion. Oh, forgot to add ~ with your analogy, then ALL of your posts are fact or accusation because nowhere you do ever state JMO and MOO!! Maybe you should make that one of your New Year's Resolutions?

JMO and MOO!!

I will consider the source.

[William Anthony]

Race? We loved OJ! Are ya kidding me? Anyone who has met him has walked away feeling good. People from all walks of life that have met him thought he was great! "We" didn't know him intimately, none of us (the general public) were close to him or nicole. He sunk his own battleship this time. I don't see anyone else to blame.

By the way this happened in L.A. On the heels of Rodney King. Now that everyone has cooled off. Oj is just laughed off as the guy who got away with murder. I have yet to talk to anyone who still says he's innocent. Minds have changed since then. Their point was made. O.J. got off on a "technicality" lol

Who is the all inclusive we in your post?

[2L8 4A D8]

Who is the all inclusive we in your post?

It obviously doesn't mean you, so why don't you drop it, Mr. Pettiness? Heyes' post was over 2 months ago (October, 2006) and you are bringing it up now? As usual, you just can't stand it if you don't have anybody to argue with and belittle, do you?

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

Mr. August,

I never said the dog made any attempt to attack the killer or killers. However, it makes no sense that the dog would go nuts and only bark at Simpson because he was "his master". You contine to give the dog "human traits" when it fits in your scenario.

Your arguement is also weak on this point. The dog is pacing back and forth because Nicole lost the fight for her life. If Nicole was already down, why would the dog stop pacing and barking and follow Swab home? Why did the dog stop at every house an bark at it?

Why didn't the dog lead Swab back to the bodies, on two separate occasions? Was the dog afraid that Simpson would kill him and Swab?

One more thing, if Simpson was the dog's master, then why not tell the dog to stop barking or have the dog come to him and kill the dog--dead dogs can't bark.

It makes no sense that dog would lay down in Nicole and Ron's blood, then hit the street to bark and pace and forth. It makes no sense that dog would rather protect himself and his "new" master then the children who were still inside the condo. The door to the condo was open. Which still makes no sense to me.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

I have always posted that I believe the glove was planted and who my first choice was. I have always let the door open to someone else planting the glove. I have always maintained the stance that who ever killed them, wanted the bodies found ASAP.

I have always posted that while I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, I have never said that is why I believe he planted it. IMO, there was no doubt in Fuhrman's mind that Simpson did this. Spouses killing spouses or ex's has nothing to do with race--in other words, even if Simpson was white, Fuhrman still would have suspected him.

I have made it clear, that if those thumps had anything to do with the murders, then Kato was meant to hear them. I have also asked the question, could any lights in the guest house be seen at night?

I believe these murders were planned, I believe evidence was left behind on purpose.

However, there could have been a "double play" on the glove. The killers could have dropped the glove some place very close to the Bronco, Fuhrman saw the glove and when he found out about the thumps, he seized the moment to justify declaring Rockingham a crime scene.

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

I never said the dog made any attempt to attack the killer or killers. However, it makes no sense that the dog would go nuts and only bark at Simpson because he was "his master". You contine to give the dog "human traits" when it fits in your scenario.

Your arguement is also weak on this point. The dog is pacing back and forth because Nicole lost the fight for her life. If Nicole was already down, why would the dog stop pacing and barking and follow Swab home? Why did the dog stop at every house an bark at it?

Why didn't the dog lead Swab back to the bodies, on two separate occasions? Was the dog afraid that Simpson would kill him and Swab?

One more thing, if Simpson was the dog's master, then why not tell the dog to stop barking or have the dog come to him and kill the dog--dead dogs can't bark.

It makes no sense that dog would lay down in Nicole and Ron's blood, then hit the street to bark and pace and forth. It makes no sense that dog would rather protect himself and his "new" master then the children who were still inside the condo. The door to the condo was open. Which still makes no sense to me.

limakey, you have things backwards again. You're the one who is tying to give the dog "human traits" by trying to figure out the meanings of what or why the dog did what witnesses tell us it did. The fact is that the front condo's front door was found open as well as the front gate was found open. It's really not too surprising that the facts in this case don't make any sense to you since it seems all of your beliefs are based only on what you imagine while you ignore what the actual evidence tells us.

The fact is that the Akita's bloody paw prints went out Nicole's front gate, went towards Dorothy St., and then down Dorothy street a short distance before they faded out.
The fact is that Karpf said he saw the Akita walking and running aimlessly in the street.
The fact is that the Schwab said he encountered the barking Akita at Bundy and Dorothy St.
The fact is that Schwab said he saw fresh blood on it's paws and that the underside and chest of the dog was very dirty, either with mud or blood.
The fact is that Schwab said as the Akita followed him it was barking at houses they past looking up the path to each house and then would stop barking and catch back up with Schwab.
The fact is that the Akita didn't lead Schwab back to the murder scene but followed Schwab and his dog to Schwab's home.
The fact is that about an hour later when Boztep and his wife took the Akita for a walk on a leash it led them back to Nicole's condo.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

I have always posted that I believe the glove was planted and who my first choice was. I have always let the door open to someone else planting the glove. I have always maintained the stance that who ever killed them, wanted the bodies found ASAP.

I have always posted that while I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, I have never said that is why I believe he planted it. IMO, there was no doubt in Fuhrman's mind that Simpson did this. Spouses killing spouses or ex's has nothing to do with race--in other words, even if Simpson was white, Fuhrman still would have suspected him.

I have made it clear, that if those thumps had anything to do with the murders, then Kato was meant to hear them. I have also asked the question, could any lights in the guest house be seen at night?

I believe these murders were planned, I believe evidence was left behind on purpose.

However, there could have been a "double play" on the glove. The killers could have dropped the glove some place very close to the Bronco, Fuhrman saw the glove and when he found out about the thumps, he seized the moment to justify declaring Rockingham a crime scene.

limakey, every one of your beliefs are based only on your imagination. Imagined fantasies to avoid the simple realty of what all the real evidence tells us.

The glove wasn't planted, it was dropped by Simpson when he fell against the guest room wall jumping from the top of his fence in the dark to enter his property.

The killer had no choice about the bodies being found based on where he killed and left them. It was only a matter of time as to who would find them.

Simpson did not intend for Kaelin to hear him. This was just another unexpected situation that Simpson experienced that night. Every time he faced an unexpected situation he left incriminating evidence of his crimes.

The guest house lights could not be seen from either Simpson's Ashford gate or Rockingham gate.

If Fuhrman had found that glove near the Bronco he would have immediately made that known. Finding that glove near Simpson's Bronco would not have change the blood and fiber evidence on it that made it so incriminating to Simpson. Your fantasies are not very realistic.

bobaugust

[martin II]

ALL
I believe that when the dog came to the front door of nicoles condo, the murders had been committed and the killers had left.

According to the coroner the murders took only 1-2 minutes and there was no screaming or other noise reported. I believe the dog would have waited 1-2 minutes for nicole to return before going to look for her especially if he was maby half sleep in the kids bedroom.jmo iom

Maby one killer left by the front and one by the back in order to leave footprints and to leave the gate open so the bodies could be found and this is how the dog got out the front gate.jmo imo
martin II

martin II

[William Anthony]

It obviously doesn't mean you, so why don't you drop it, Mr. Pettiness? Heyes' post was over 2 months ago (October, 2006) and you are bringing it up now? As usual, you just can't stand it if you don't have anybody to argue with and belittle, do you?

JMO and MOO!!

It seems you want to start an argument with my posts. I did not ask you the question and was not looking from an answer from you.

[William Anthony]

Mr. August,

I never said the dog made any attempt to attack the killer or killers. However, it makes no sense that the dog would go nuts and only bark at Simpson because he was "his master". You contine to give the dog "human traits" when it fits in your scenario.

Your arguement is also weak on this point. The dog is pacing back and forth because Nicole lost the fight for her life. If Nicole was already down, why would the dog stop pacing and barking and follow Swab home? Why did the dog stop at every house an bark at it?

Why didn't the dog lead Swab back to the bodies, on two separate occasions? Was the dog afraid that Simpson would kill him and Swab?

One more thing, if Simpson was the dog's master, then why not tell the dog to stop barking or have the dog come to him and kill the dog--dead dogs can't bark.

It makes no sense that dog would lay down in Nicole and Ron's blood, then hit the street to bark and pace and forth. It makes no sense that dog would rather protect himself and his "new" master then the children who were still inside the condo. The door to the condo was open. Which still makes no sense to me.


Lovely Limakey,

:beer: :beer:

[martin II]

william

Again i say it seems that the whole case turns around when the dog barked and where he was when he was barking.

Different people say they heard the dog barking starting at 10:15(stein) up to about 11:pm(Heidstra)
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

Again i say it seems that the whole case turns around when the dog barked and where he was when he was barking.

Different people say they heard the dog barking starting at 10:15(stein) up to about 11:pm(Heidstra)
martin II

Machismo Martin,

The whole thing is sorry, if he got away with murder, because the prosecution put on a dog of a case, imo.

[martin II]

Machismo Martin,

The whole thing is sorry, if he got away with murder, because the prosecution put on a dog of a case, imo.

And this dog of a case did not even have pedigree papers.
MARTIN ii

[2L8 4A D8]

ALL
I believe that when the dog came to the front door of nicoles condo, the murders had been committed and the killers had left.

According to the coroner the murders took only 1-2 minutes and there was no screaming or other noise reported. I believe the dog would have waited 1-2 minutes for nicole to return before going to look for her especially if he was maby half sleep in the kids bedroom.jmo iom

Maby one killer left by the front and one by the back in order to leave footprints and to leave the gate open so the bodies could be found and this is how the dog got out the front gate.jmo imo
martin II

martin II

And yeah, just maby, if a bird had a jukebox up his a**, there would be sweet music in the sky *****!

Maby, Maby, Maby ~ ad nauseum! Maby is not fact and it's not substantiated evidence! Keep grasping!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

And yeah, just maby, if a bird had a jukebox up his a**, there would be sweet music in the sky *****!

Maby, Maby, Maby ~ ad nauseum! Maby is not fact and it's not substantiated evidence! Keep grasping!

JMO and MOO!!

Now that we are back on topic, there are all sorts of possibilities in this case due to the prosecutions poor crime scene processing and evidence handling in this case, imho. American jurisprudence should not base convictions on such evidentary standards as were used in this case, imho.

[2L8 4A D8]

It seems you want to start an argument with my posts. I did not ask you the question and was not looking from an answer from you.

And your question to Heyes wasn't argumentative? Read it again! You certainly weren't looking for a discussion or a debate after 2 months! Again, it was just pettiness on your part and again, something that you wanted to make a mountain out of a molehill over! Prerequisites for all NG's = Pettiness, Arguments, Making Mountains out of Molehills, lack of logic and common sense!

Yes, just like I do not ask you the question, but I still get an answer from you (Martin comes to mind)! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

And your question to Heyes wasn't argumentative? Read it again! You certainly weren't looking for a discussion or a debate after 2 months! Again, it was just pettiness on your part and again, something that you wanted to make a mountain out of a molehill over! Prerequisites for all NG's = Pettiness, Arguments, Making Mountains out of Molehills, lack of logic and common sense!

Yes, just like I do not ask you the question, but I still get an answer from you (Martin comes to mind)! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

You did not give an answer. You made an accusation.:seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

Now that we are back on topic, there are all sorts of possibilities in this case due to the prosecutions poor crime scene processing and evidence handling in this case, imho. American jurisprudence should not base convictions on such evidentary standards as were used in this case, imho.

I didn't post this to you. You seem to have gotten your Puppet Martin's tongue! Poor guy can't even speak for himself! I don't want to hear your opinions to a post that was directed to Martin. Thanks!

I am sure that you would have thought the same things about the Scott Peterson case, but he's not your IDOL and HERO so you could care less about what happened to him and I think that I know why!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

I didn't post this to you. You seem to have gotten your Puppet Martin's tongue! Poor guy can't even speak for himself! I don't want to hear your opinions to a post that was directed to Martin. Thanks!

I am sure that you would have thought the same things about the Scott Peterson case, but he's not your IDOL and HERO so you could care less about what happened to him and I think that I know why!

JMO and MOO!!

You did not post it to anyone; you responded to Martin's post and I responded to yours. It was my way of saying that the discussion had gotten back on topic and, now, it seems to be getting side-tracked.

[2L8 4A D8]

You did not give an answer. You made an accusation.:seeya:

Yeah, just as you did to Heyes ~ made an accusation! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

Yeah, just as you did to Heyes ~ made an accusation! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

I asked a question.:seeya: :seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

You did not post it to anyone; you responded to Martin's post and I responded to yours. It was my way of saying that the discussion had gotten back on topic and, now, it seems to be getting side-tracked.

Yes, I responded to Martin's post and I expected to get a response back from him ~ not you! I don't want to hear your response. I want to hear his. That's why I posted to him. Duh! Like I stated, you won't get an answer from Martin because the Puppeteer (YOU) is now speaking for his Puppet (MARTIN)! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

Yes, I responded to Martin's post and I expected to get a response back from him ~ not you! I don't want to hear your response. I want to hear his. That's why I posted to him. Duh! Like I stated, you won't get an answer from Martin because the Puppeteer (YOU) is now speaking for his Puppet (MARTIN)! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

If I might then you should specifically state that in your post. However, as you did not, then I responded as I thought your post was open to all. :seeya:

[martin II]

If I might then you should specifically state that in your post. However, as you did not, then I responded as I thought your post was open to all. :seeya:

william

I have informed 2l that i have put her on ignore just few days ago. so i have no idea as to why she would be addressing new post to me.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

william

I have informed 2l that i have put her on ignore just few days ago. so i have no idea as to why she would be addressing new post to me.

martin II

I can and will address posts to you *****! You just can't see them as I am on Ignore. However, I still do not want to hear from Wise*** William if he is speaking for you, period! He is augumentative, petty and snotty, but not to the posters that he ***kisses and *****noses, of course!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

I can and will address posts to you *****! You just can't see them as I am on Ignore. However, I still do not want to hear from Wise*** William if he is speaking for you, period! He is augumentative, petty and snotty, but not to the posters that he ***kisses and *****noses, of course!

JMO and MOO!!

I choose my company, and, would like to think that I do it wisely. I have never seen any of those I have chosen respond with so many *** in their posts. There is an obvious reason why they do not and why I chose them.:seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

I choose my company, and, would like to think that I do it wisely. I have never seen any of those I have chosen respond with so many *** in their posts. There is an obvious reason why they do not and why I chose them.:seeya:

Sorry if the truth hurts and the shoe fits! Maybe it's because you don't post to them as you do me! Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

Sorry if the truth hurts and the shoe fits! Maybe it's because you don't post to them as you do me! Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

The truth is that I choose to post to you to save others from you.

[martin II]

The truth is that I choose to post to you to save others from you.

william
I am sure that many here appreciate your sacrifice and your tolorance.
martin II

[William Anthony]

william
I am sure that many here appreciate your sacrifice and your tolorance.
martin II

Machismo Martin,

Thank you,

I sure a man can understand and a true gentleman as you are.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I sure a man can understand and a true gentleman as you are.


Oh please! I guess you missed a great many of his posts. :lol: