OJ's new Book

[William Anthony]

That was a favorite saying of my grandmother, but if it's true, flames should have been shooting out of OJ Simpson's ears on the morning of June 13, 1994. Just my opinion, of course. :D

Yes, it was taught to me by my elders too. There probably were flames shooting out of Simpson's ears and 90% of Black America from listening to the burning hatred and admitted scorching prevarications of MF. With that said, this discussion belongs on the CORRUPTION... thread, imho.

[socaldiva]

Perhaps someone should have alerted Martin that this isn't the corruption thread. He started posting here MANY pages ago about Fuhrman & MAW. ;)

[tv]

Yes, it was taught to me by my elders too. There probably were flames shooting out of Simpson's ears and 90% of Black America from listening to the burning hatred and admitted scorching prevarications of MF. With that said, this discussion belongs on the CORRUPTION... thread, imho.I'll post my reply over on the corruption thead. :)

[socaldiva]

Here's a giggle. I especially like #3:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/index/php/20061116.phtml

[martin II]

That was a favorite saying of my grandmother, but if it's true, flames should have been shooting out of OJ Simpson's ears on the morning of June 13, 1994. Just my opinion, of course. :D

But it is the opinions of people that saw him that there were no flames.

martin II

[socaldiva]

But it is the opinions of people that saw him that there were no flames.

martin II

I don't know. Remember that famous magazine cover that everyone was talking about? Maybe that was just his charred look, after the flames went out :D

[William Anthony]

Yes, I remember. You are talking about the photo that was altered to making him look darker and convey the meaning that he was evil, correct? Do you think this doctored his public persona to represent someone that was evil?

[jotun]

Unlike Orenthal, Mark Fuhrman didn't require a ghost writer. I believe you are confused. The foreward of 'Murder in Brentwood' was written by the esteemed Vincent Bugliosi, but that is not a ghost writer. His other 6 were not "duds". Murder in Greenwich was a best seller also & it spawned the Grand Jury Investigation that ultimately ended with Michael Shakel being arrested for Martha Moxley's murder some 20 yrs after the fact. How many books has Orenthal published? ONE! How many radio shows does he host? NONE. As for your ideas about Greta, that's laughable. Do you really think that she is going to have someone on her show that she "despises"? I guess you've never heard her speak relative to her thoughts on Mark Fuhrman. What Fox program is Orenthal on? ZERO. No one wants to hear from the double murderer & rightly so.

btw: Mark Fuhrman recently said that he will no longer deal with Harper Collins, because of their attempted publishing of Orenthal's shameful book.



IMO
diva--ALL-- Fuhrman did require and received a ghostwriter. Just seemed to be his "writing" because of all the whineing about how he was treated by the prosecutors, defence & public. At least according to the reviews of 'Murder in Brentwood'.

Fuhrman didn't say he would no longer deal with HC. He said IF they published O.J.'s phony "confession".See 'Fuhrman Freaks Out Over O.J.'on the smartfellows that I think I reported first,as I saw & taped it live. His publisher was Regan who LOST her imprint when she got FIRED. He had no choice.

A forward is NOT written by a ghostwriter.
O.J. wrote an excellent forward for 'DOUBLE-CROSSED FOR BLOOD' www.ojcoverup.com

O.J. has at least 3 books published of his own. With another in the works???
A number of books published about him in his football days. 60, 80,? about him and the 'Trial of the Century'. I have a complete list but can't locate it at present.
1000's of newspaper & magazine articles. Most O.J.BOOKS were best-sellers.
Thanks to goldman and a LEAKER.The latest 'IF I DID IT'is a best UN-seller.
# on the FREE book list.

O.J.hosts no local talk radio shows nor does he want to. Says he doesn't listen to talk radio, tho he has been interviewed on a few. If O.J. hosted,his would be national. He is still the subject of many. National & local.

About, O.J. has been on ALL the Fox news shows.Many O.J.stories & a phone in and golf-course interview etc.They did O.J.WEEK for the anniversary for years. Vansustern, has had a few O.J. INTERVIEWS.2 or 3 phone interviews on her show on CNN,also a Rockingham interview. Her show 'On the Record' on Fox she got one of the 4 granted UNEDITED INTERVIEWS,along with Catie Couric for NBC,Linda Deutsch AP, and a totally live interview with Catherine Crier for CTV for an anniversary.High ratings were had by all. Recently O.J. has been mentioned rarely on fox. Read the memo-till it's over-since Goldman included fox in his lawsuit to get the O.J.BOOK MONEY. Now goldman has also included Time-Warner which owns CNN etc. Wants a check for "10's of millions." Only one left-MSNBC which has had a number of stories about the book etc. The only channel that had a O.J.story on the 13th murder anniversary. But it was ONLY about what O.J. said about the media.What is called O.J'S NEW PROJECT here.

IMO

jotun

[martin II]

i think that the browns and the judge considered the request of the two children when they told the court that loved their grandparents BUT they wanted to live with their father. I think this was the action that caused The Browns to withdraw their efforts for custody.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Yes, I remember. You are talking about the photo that was altered to making him look darker and convey the meaning that he was evil, correct? Do you think this doctored his public persona to represent someone that was evil?

william
i think that was newsweek that made oj look much darker and evil on their cover. It is my opinion that was just another way that the media attempted
to influence the publics opinion of oj as there was really no reason that his photo came out as it did. IMO
martin II

[jotun]

ON TOPIC---O.J. BOOK---ON TOPIC

ALL---Excuse me for interrupting your off-topic musings.
But have some totally ON-TOPIC info.Last week or so the LA TIMES had an article reprinted by

http://www.contracostatimes.com/cl_6381626?source=rss

that I posted with no responce, about who might publish the O.J. BOOK by goldman.

Yesterday found this very interesting article from Newsweek about Brown's vs Goldman.Seems only 1 publisher expressed interest, out of the many letters sent by goldman to publishers, movie producers etc...Then the CEO of that company said "unequivocally NO".....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek?from=rss

All- Can we please keep this thread on topic???????????????????????????????????.It's really not that hard. IFFFFF you don't have anything to post about the O.J.BOOK find your topic on another thread. SIMPLE!!!!!

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun

[martin II]

It may be that the legal battle over this book has caused it's value to
dive.
martin II

[socaldiva]

It may be that the legal battle over this book has caused it's value to
dive.
martin II

I don't think so. I think the value took a "dive" the minute the pubic learned that Orenthal wrote this ghastly book. I also think that Orenthal orchestrated the leak through the internet because he didn't want Fred Goldman to have money that he considered to be his. JMO

[martin II]

ON TOPIC---O.J. BOOK---ON TOPIC

ALL---Excuse me for interrupting your off-topic musings.
But have some totally ON-TOPIC info.Last week or so the LA TIMES had an article reprinted by

http://www.contracostatimes.com/cl_6381626?source=rss

that I posted with no responce, about who might publish the O.J. BOOK by goldman.

Yesterday found this very interesting article from Newsweek about Brown's vs Goldman.Seems only 1 publisher expressed interest, out of the many letters sent by goldman to publishers, movie producers etc...Then the CEO of that company said "unequivocally NO".....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek?from=rss

All- Can we please keep this thread on topic???????????????????????????????????.It's really not that hard. IFFFFF you don't have anything to post about the O.J.BOOK find your topic on another thread. SIMPLE!!!!!

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun


jotun
According to your nsnbc link Mr Goldmans lawyers may have nore legal hurdles
to overcome than origionally thought. According to what the link reports, they would like to publish the book that would be part by oj with a new part by Fred.
This would be the 'oj and Fred" book?:confused:

Martin II

[weezer]

I don't think so. I think the value took a "dive" the minute the pubic learned that Orenthal wrote this ghastly book. I also think that Orenthal orchestrated the leak through the internet because he didn't want Fred Goldman to have money that he considered to be his. JMO

I think I like the idea that they would 'annotate' the book! I do have to say, I am disappointed in the Browns and their approach to this. imo

[martin II]

I think I like the idea that they would 'annotate' the book! I do have to say, I am disappointed in the Browns and their approach to this. imo

weezer

The Browns dissagreed with the book at the beginning when Mr Goldman asked HC to just give everything to him for free. When the Browns realized that the CA court tried to give MR Goldman the title they decided to act on bahalf of Nicoles two kids. Mr Lou Brown is the executor of Nicoles estate and it may be that he has a legal DUTY to ensure that these two kids get what is leagally available to them. It does not matter that they did not join Fred in the opriginal action. The Browns Judgement is just as valid as Mr Goldmans and it appears that the bankruptcy Judge understand this.

If Fred or the Browns do receive money from this book, I believe that amount will be deducted from the outstanding amount oj owes. imo

As far as the plan to 'annotate' the book, I agree with the msnbc artricle that some may believe Mr Goldman may be reaching too far. imo

I believe most people will see the Browns as having a equal judgement to mr.
Goldmans and would like to see some money go to the children. imo

martin II

[martin II]

Last year, Goldman opposed publication when Simpson stood to gain from it.
But now, he wants the book to appear so it will “embarrass and ridicule” Simpson. And he wants the book’s sales to pay down some of the $38 million Simpson owes Goldman from the 1997 wrongful-death judgment against the former star running back, who was acquitted of the murders in 1995.

"I’m hoping the bankruptcy trustee will put the book up for auction, not Fred Goldman," says Greg Hafif, the attorney for Nicole's estate. That would mean that anybody could bid for the book, including the Browns, and Hafif says the estate might buy it to see that it never gets published at all.

Many observers think Goldman is overreaching. Michael Viner, whose former company, Dove Entertainment, published a half-dozen O. J. Simpson books in the 1990s, including a best-seller by Nicole's friend Faye Resnick, rejected the project already. He thinks there’s a "small market" for the book and it’s worth "a cap of $100,000"—especially since key portions of the book have already gotten extensive publicity.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek/

[weezer]

Hey, I've got a question for the orenthal apologists: Orenthal said he was going to spend time and money looking for the 'real killer(s)' of Nicole and Ron. Some on this Board believe he has all kinds of information about who really is responsible but can't get LE to listen to him -- wonder why he didn't take the opportunity to lay out all of this exonerating evidence in his book instead of confessing to the murders?

[martin II]

Hey, I've got a question for the orenthal apologists: Orenthal said he was going to spend time and money looking for the 'real killer(s)' of Nicole and Ron. Some on this Board believe he has all kinds of information about who really is responsible but can't get LE to listen to him -- wonder why he didn't take the opportunity to lay out all of this exonerating evidence in his book instead of confessing to the murders?

As this was not addressed to me but i will try to help you.

OJ wanted to tell his lifestory with nicole and that is what he did. Which proves that only Oj gets to decide what he writes about in his book.Ragardless of what a person may think.imo

martin II

[weezer]

As this was not addressed to me but i will try to help you.

OJ wanted to tell his lifestory with nicole and that is what he did. Which proves that only Oj gets to decide what he writes about in his book.Ragardless of what a person may think.imo

martin II

But wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity for him to get all the evidence that he's not guilty out in front of the public and make LE listen? He could have told his story AND the information on the real killer(s) that he says he has. I just think he squandered his opportunity. imo

[martin II]

But wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity for him to get all the evidence that he's not guilty out in front of the public and make LE listen? He could have told his story AND the information on the real killer(s) that he says he has. I just think he squandered his opportunity. imo

weezer
it may be that you are behind the curve a bit.
Oj was found not guilty of killing anyone over 12 years ago. He is finished with that. Only people that did not get the veridct that they THOUGHT they were entitiled to are still trying to ask him where the killer is. Oj has said that he accepts that some people belive he was guiilty and he has learned to live with that issue and moved on to other things such as supporting his kids and enjoying his life. with the additional $1,000,000.00 in the till.

In this book he informed many of a side of Nicole and himself that not many knew and some just REFUSE to accept as it is not the picture of Nicoloe or him they had in their minds since the trial.

imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

weezer
it may be that you are behind the curve a bit.
Oj was found not guilty of killing anyone over 12 years ago. He is finished with that. Only people that did not get the veridct that they THOUGHT they were entitiled to are still trying to ask him where the killer is. Oj has said that he accepts that some people belive he was guiilty and he has learned to live with that issue and moved on to other things such as supporting his kids and enjoying his life. with the additional $1,000,000.00 in the till.

In this book he informed many of a side of Nicole and himself that not many knew and some just REFUSE to accept as it is not the picture of Nicoloe or him they had in their minds since the trial.

imo
martin II

All of us here have always accepted the fact that Nicole was not flawless, that she had her own issues. It's just that we also accept the fact that those issues did not give OJ Simpson the right to treat her so cruelly and physically abuse her the way that he did.

You apparently beg to differ though.

Kate

[socaldiva]

All of us here have always accepted the fact that Nicole was not flawless, that she had her own issues. It's just that we also accept the fact that those issues did not give OJ Simpson the right to treat her so cruelly and physically abuse her the way that he did.

You apparently beg to differ though.

Kate

Good post. I don't think Nicole was flawless, but I don't buy Orenthal's account of her drug use or her "getting physical" with him & starting fights. She wasn't stupid.

[socaldiva]

*
OJ wanted to tell his lifestory with nicole and that is what he did.

Didn't he already do that when he wrote "I want to tell you"?

With this new book, I think it would have been a better marketing angle to include the detailed information relative to the "real killers' that he claimed to have gathered before he gave up his quest. Then again, how do you sell a blank page? :biggrin:

[martin II]

a friend has informed me that Denise Brown said that her family is exacutor of nicoles estate which is for the children. As such they have a legal responsibility to protect the kids interest and this is one of the reason they
are requesting part of the money if there is any from that book.
it is strange how things work out. if the browns get some of the money it will all be for the two kids. so in a way oj writing the book will have benefited his and nicoles kids anyway.imo
martin II

[weezer]

a friend has informed me that Denise Brown said that her family is exacutor of nicoles estate which is for the children. As such they have a legal responsibility to protect the kids interest and this is one of the reason they
are requesting part of the money if there is any from that book.
it is strange how things work out. if the browns get some of the money it will all be for the two kids. so in a way oj writing the book will have benefited his and nicoles kids anyway.imo
martin II

yes and I don't think anyone minds that except of course, his co-conspirator who won't be getting her share. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*
if the browns get some of the money it will all be for the two kids. so in a way oj writing the book will have benefited his and nicoles kids anyway.imo


True & I doubt the Brown's will squander the children's money on lap dances. I'd say the children stand a better chance of actually seeing any of the money if it is filtered through the Brown's rather than Orenthal. ;)

[martin II]

yes and I don't think anyone minds that except of course, his co-conspirator who won't be getting her share. imo

wait a minute

A few days ago you posted that you did not like the fact that the Browns
were now trying to get in on the money as they had not been part of the many court actions as fred had.that was not the first time you have expressed objeciton to the Browns actions.

which is it?


You have no way of knowing what Arnell got or will get.
martin II

[William Anthony]

IMO
diva--ALL-- Fuhrman did require and received a ghostwriter. Just seemed to be his "writing" because of all the whineing about how he was treated by the prosecutors, defence & public. At least according to the reviews of 'Murder in Brentwood'.

Fuhrman didn't say he would no longer deal with HC. He said IF they published O.J.'s phony "confession".See 'Fuhrman Freaks Out Over O.J.'on the smartfellows that I think I reported first,as I saw & taped it live. His publisher was Regan who LOST her imprint when she got FIRED. He had no choice.

A forward is NOT written by a ghostwriter.
O.J. wrote an excellent forward for 'DOUBLE-CROSSED FOR BLOOD' www.ojcoverup.com

O.J. has at least 3 books published of his own. With another in the works???
A number of books published about him in his football days. 60, 80,? about him and the 'Trial of the Century'. I have a complete list but can't locate it at present.
1000's of newspaper & magazine articles. Most O.J.BOOKS were best-sellers.
Thanks to goldman and a LEAKER.The latest 'IF I DID IT'is a best UN-seller.
# on the FREE book list.

O.J.hosts no local talk radio shows nor does he want to. Says he doesn't listen to talk radio, tho he has been interviewed on a few. If O.J. hosted,his would be national. He is still the subject of many. National & local.

About, O.J. has been on ALL the Fox news shows.Many O.J.stories & a phone in and golf-course interview etc.They did O.J.WEEK for the anniversary for years. Vansustern, has had a few O.J. INTERVIEWS.2 or 3 phone interviews on her show on CNN,also a Rockingham interview. Her show 'On the Record' on Fox she got one of the 4 granted UNEDITED INTERVIEWS,along with Catie Couric for NBC,Linda Deutsch AP, and a totally live interview with Catherine Crier for CTV for an anniversary.High ratings were had by all. Recently O.J. has been mentioned rarely on fox. Read the memo-till it's over-since Goldman included fox in his lawsuit to get the O.J.BOOK MONEY. Now goldman has also included Time-Warner which owns CNN etc. Wants a check for "10's of millions." Only one left-MSNBC which has had a number of stories about the book etc. The only channel that had a O.J.story on the 13th murder anniversary. But it was ONLY about what O.J. said about the media.What is called O.J'S NEW PROJECT here.

IMO

jotun

Before you try to berate me, you should read your above post and see who it was made in response to. There was a post made about some and fire and I suggested and another poster agreed to take our discussion to another thread. Then the poster to whom you made this response made a post about the picture of Simpson on the cover of a magazine, to which I and another poster responded, The poster who made the post about the magazine, then made a post about MF to which you responded with this post.

I have no problem with you taking me to task, so long as you do likewise for all, including yourself. I am not trying to debate any issue with you other than your posts that concern me. At you request, I took my ball to another court only to find that you have followed me there and want to start a game that I am unwilling to play. You are free to dribble on any court you please, but you should be aware of the number of fouls you commit, imhotaac.

[weezer]

wait a minute

A few days ago you posted that you did not like the fact that the Browns
were now trying to get in on the money as they had not been part of the many court actions as fred had.that was not the first time you have expressed objeciton to the Browns actions.

which is it?


You have no way of knowing what Arnell got or will get.
martin II

actually, what I said was: "I think I like the idea that they would 'annotate' the book! I do have to say, I am disappointed in the Browns and their approach to this. imo "

I'm wondering why you felt the need to lie about my post?

[socaldiva]

*snip*
You have no way of knowing what Arnell got or will get.
martin II

IIRC Arnelle said that she didn't get her money from the book & Orenthal said that he spent his portion. Are you calling one or both of them liars?

[weezer]

IIRC Arnelle said that she didn't get her money from the book & Orenthal said that he spent his portion. Are you calling one or both of them liars?

heck -- what is she? 38 years old and still live with/off daddy? she's got more off orenthal than she ever could from any book he would write. LOL Unfortunately, she won't be able to buy her momma a house. Oh well. imo

[socaldiva]

heck -- what is she? 38 years old and still live with/off daddy? she's got more off orenthal than she ever could from any book he would write. LOL Unfortunately, she won't be able to buy her momma a house. Oh well. imo

Maby that's what Martin meant, she's already gotten/is getting her free ride off Daddy :D

[martin II]

actually, what I said was: "I think I like the idea that they would 'annotate' the book! I do have to say, I am disappointed in the Browns and their approach to this. imo "

I'm wondering why you felt the need to lie about my post?

i have not lied about your post. i did use the below post by you to give my impressions of your position on the Browns asking for money for nicoles kids which in my opinion does not show your approval of their actions.imo
sorry if you felt that offended.
martin II

"I was also surprised that the Browns came into the fight after the fact. . . " but if there is money to be had, I think Nicole's children deserve a share. Like you, I'm afraid that orenthal and arnelle will try to get their bloody, greedy hands on it though. imo


"I have not seen the Brown's join in any fight."

[weezer]

you posted: "I have not seen the Brown's join in any fight."

did I also say that?

[martin II]

heck -- what is she? 38 years old and still live with/off daddy? she's got more off orenthal than she ever could from any book he would write. LOL Unfortunately, she won't be able to buy her momma a house. Oh well. imo

wezer
i am not sure about now but when nicole was killed, Denise was living at home
with her family.Anything wrong with that?

Where did you get information that Arnell will not be able to buy her mom a house? Do you have some exclusive HOT LINE into her life.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

wezer
i am not sure about now but when nicole was killed, Denise was living at home
with her family.Anything wrong with that?

Where did you get information that Arnell will not be able to buy her mom a house? Do you have some exclusive HOT LINE into her life.
imo
martin II

arnelle said in her deposition that she wanted to use some of the money to buy her momma a house but you're right -- she could still do that. I'm guessing since marguerite had to sue to get the money orenthal owed her from their divorce that he won't be real hip on buying her a house. but I guess arnelle could save her money. :rolleyes: imo

[martin II]

arnelle said in her deposition that she wanted to use some of the money to buy her momma a house but you're right -- she could still do that. I'm guessing since marguerite had to sue to get the money orenthal owed her from their divorce that he won't be real hip on buying her a house. but I guess arnelle could save her money. :rolleyes: imo

weezer

I is my opinion that all of your negative comments about Arnell Simpson are mean spirited and certainly not called for. It is not often that i have heard such relentless attacks on one woman by another.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

I is my opinion that all of your negative comments about Arnell Simpson are mean spirited and certainly not called for. It is not often that i have heard such relentless attacks on one woman by another.
imo
martin II

maybe it's because I believe she got a 'bye' -- or is it 'buy'? --on her part in the murders. and then for her to pitch a book about how her daddy murdered the mother of her siblings and hoped to use part of the money to buy her living mother a house just kind of turns my stomach. I don't believe she has received the attention I think she deserves. imo

[martin II]

maybe it's because I believe she got a 'bye' -- or is it 'buy'? --on her part in the murders. and then for her to pitch a book about how her daddy murdered the mother of her siblings and hoped to use part of the money to buy her living mother a house just kind of turns my stomach. I don't believe she has received the attention I think she deserves. imo

weezer
put any kind of spin you like on it but i do not believe your mean spirited personal attacks on her are necessary.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

It is not often that i have heard such relentless attacks on one woman by another.


What does gender have to do with anything? Is this another laughable attempt to say that the posters here are jealous of Arnelle?

I'd say you offer "relentless attacks" on Fuhrman & 98% of it is not based on fact.

I have yet to see FBG 'ATTACK' Arnelle. She's only stated facts about her. If they are not favorable, that's not FBG's fault ;)

[weezer]

What does gender have to do with anything? Is this another laughable attempt to say that the posters here are jealous of Arnelle?

I'd say you offer "relentless attacks" on Fuhrman & 98% of it is not based on fact.

I have yet to see FBG 'ATTACK' Arnelle. She's only stated facts about her. If they are not favorable, that's not FBG's fault ;)

thanks socal -- seems to me that arnelle insinuated herself back into the fray with her pitch for her daddy's book. imo

[socaldiva]

thanks socal -- seems to me that arnelle insinuated herself back into the fray with her pitch for her daddy's book. imo

Just like Daddy. They both have everything they need, but it seems they are always greedy for more, regardless of how immoral it is.

[weezer]

Just like Daddy. They both have everything they need, but it seems they are always greedy for more, regardless of how immoral it is.

I guess one consolation is to think about what it must be like when they are home together -- LOL -- imagine trying to close your eyes to sleep knowing the other one is in the other room. :eek:

[socaldiva]

I guess one consolation is to think about what it must be like when they are home together -- LOL -- imagine trying to close your eyes to sleep knowing the other one is in the other room. :eek:


:lol: No thanks.....:chicken:

[Heyes]

That was a favorite saying of my grandmother, but if it's true, flames should have been shooting out of OJ Simpson's ears on the morning of June 13, 1994. Just my opinion, of course. :D


LOL, I know I'd like your grandmother!

[Heyes]

Hey, I've got a question for the orenthal apologists: Orenthal said he was going to spend time and money looking for the 'real killer(s)' of Nicole and Ron. Some on this Board believe he has all kinds of information about who really is responsible but can't get LE to listen to him -- wonder why he didn't take the opportunity to lay out all of this exonerating evidence in his book instead of confessing to the murders?
Question of the week!
Good one fbgweezer!

[jotun]

Before you try to berate me, you should read your above post and see who it was made in response to. There was a post made about some and fire and I suggested and another poster agreed to take our discussion to another thread. Then the poster to whom you made this response made a post about the picture of Simpson on the cover of a magazine, to which I and another poster responded, The poster who made the post about the magazine, then made a post about MF to which you responded with this post.

I have no problem with you taking me to task, so long as you do likewise for all, including yourself. I am not trying to debate any issue with you other than your posts that concern me. At you request, I took my ball to another court only to find that you have followed me there and want to start a game that I am unwilling to play. You are free to dribble on any court you please, but you should be aware of the number of fouls you commit, imhotaac.

William--ALL

My post was a reply to diva's post on 7-17 12:15am. As is obvious. NOT what you alluded to.As we are aware a reply shows on the last page. This was in responce to diva's undeserved admiration of fuhrman and untruths about O.J. Read pages 46 & 48 and especially 51.The discussion was about the book before you posted.


I didn't follow you to another'court.' Ran across and posted a link about fuhrman ON, get this, the fuhrman thread.
Am NOT playing any games. I take this O.J. saga VERY SERIOUSLY.

I don't want to debate with you or anyone. Don't like to argue. Most of my responces are to myself. I try to keep to the topic, but sometimes even when others are off-topic, just have to defend O.J.

I HAVE, taken others to task about this off-topic drivel.Have been complaining about it since June 06 when I joined ctv.Even started a thread earlier this year entitled 'BAIT-BICKER & BULL. The moderator liked my idea as did others. But NOTHING was ever done about it.

Read martin and jotun's take on the hook chapter and see if you agree.

This thread is about to end. Unless something drastic happens O.J.'s new book will become goldman's new book very soon.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*

My post was a reply to diva's post on 7-17 12:15am. As is obvious. NOT what you alluded to.As we are aware a reply shows on the last page. This was in responce to diva's undeserved admiration of fuhrman and untruths about O.J. Read pages 46 & 48 and especially 51.The discussion was about the book before you posted.



Excuse me, you are talking about posts that transpired 12 days ago? Please leave me out of your rants to/with others. :no: :no:

btw: I think it's hysterical that you post that I have "undeserved admiration for Fuhrman", while it is obivous that you have "undeserved admiration" for a bloated, angry, unemployed double murderer :rolleyes:

[martin II]

William--ALL

My post was a reply to diva's post on 7-17 12:15am. As is obvious. NOT what you alluded to.As we are aware a reply shows on the last page. This was in responce to diva's undeserved admiration of fuhrman and untruths about O.J. Read pages 46 & 48 and especially 51.The discussion was about the book before you posted.


I didn't follow you to another'court.' Ran across and posted a link about fuhrman ON, get this, the fuhrman thread.
Am NOT playing any games. I take this O.J. saga VERY SERIOUSLY.

I don't want to debate with you or anyone. Don't like to argue. Most of my responces are to myself. I try to keep to the topic, but sometimes even when others are off-topic, just have to defend O.J.

I HAVE, taken others to task about this off-topic drivel.Have been complaining about it since June 06 when I joined ctv.Even started a thread earlier this year entitled 'BAIT-BICKER & BULL. The moderator liked my idea as did others. But NOTHING was ever done about it.

Read martin and jotun's take on the hook chapter and see if you agree.

This thread is about to end. Unless something drastic happens O.J.'s new book will become goldman's new book very soon.

IMO

jotun


if the judge gives fred the book and he decides to add to the book it will then become a hopothetical book by 'OJ SIMPSON AND FRED"
IMO
MARTRIN ii

[socaldiva]

if the judge gives fred the book and he decides to add to the book it will then become a hopothetical book by 'OJ SIMPSON AND FRED"
IMO
MARTRIN ii

What is a "hopothetical book"? :confused:

[martin II]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

the book deal
it seems that the Browns get nothing?
fred gets the title free and it does not count for oj on the judgement?
90% for fred 10% for creditors.
according to this article
imo

martin II

[socaldiva]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

the book deal
it seems that the Browns get nothing?
fred gets the title free and it does not count for oj on the judgement?
90% for fred 10% for creditors.
according to this article
imo

martin II


You might want to read the contents of your link again. The Brown's are considered a creditor & will be in line for a portion of the 10% earmarked for creditors. ;)

[martin II]

correction
the browns get some part of the 10%. have no idea as to what that will be.
Bet they are not pleased.
martin II

[weezer]

Saw Denise and attorney on tv last night talking about the latest development -

[weezer]

You might want to read the contents of your link again. The Brown's are considered a creditor & will be in line for a portion of the 10% earmarked for creditors. ;)

"Despite taking 90 percent of the proceeds of the sale of the book rights, Goldman's $38 million judgment against Simpson still stands. He agreed, however, to drop his claim to the bottom of the list, meaning other creditors will be paid before he is paid.

Other creditors include the $24 million judgment for the Brown family; $15,000 for a former Simpson attorney; $20,000 for another attorney; $350,000 for the book's ghostwriter and another $300,000 for a pair of law firms."

[weezer]

"Despite taking 90 percent of the proceeds of the sale of the book rights, Goldman's $38 million judgment against Simpson still stands. He agreed, however, to drop his claim to the bottom of the list, meaning other creditors will be paid before he is paid.

Other creditors include the $24 million judgment for the Brown family; $15,000 for a former Simpson attorney; $20,000 for another attorney; $350,000 for the book's ghostwriter and another $300,000 for a pair of law firms."

anyone seen a listing of who the other creditors are exactly?

[martin II]

I am waiting on a article that may explain how some of the issues discussed in this article were dealth with.

martinII

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek/

[martin II]

Saw Denise and attorney on tv last night talking about the latest development -

did she use the word GREEDY to describe freds efforts for the money again.

[socaldiva]

did she use the word GREEDY to describe freds efforts for the money again.


Who knows? But we already know that Orenthal & Arnelle are greedy. Arnelle even admits to her greed. I'm sure that's was spawned the book. GREED. Fred's efforts were after the fact.

JMO

[weezer]

Who knows? But we already know that Orenthal & Arnelle are greedy. Arnelle even admits to her greed. I'm sure that's was spawned the book. GREED. Fred's efforts were after the fact.

JMO

excellent! :beer:

[martin II]

i am thinking that if oj and arnell can be called greedy for trying to make money off of this book them everyone doing the same can be called the same name.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

i am thinking that if oj and arnell can be called greedy for trying to make money off of this book them everyone doing the same can be called the same name.imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

OJ is the one who keeps putting the Goldman's and Brown's in this situation. No one is to blame except OJ and his greedy (by her own admission) daughter. The Goldman's wouldn't be doing this had OJ not tried to profit from the murders. At least this way the money will go to the two children it SHOULD go to. And, hopefully OJ has learned his lesson to just stop.

:no:

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

OJ is the one who keeps putting the Goldman's and Brown's in this situation. No one is to blame except OJ and his greedy (by her own admission) daughter. The Goldman's wouldn't be doing this had OJ not tried to profit from the murders. At least this way the money will go to the two children it SHOULD go to. And, hopefully OJ has learned his lesson to just stop.

:no:

tazzy hi

What i think is that the goldmans, since the civil judgement was issues have been looking for a way to get this judgement paid. based on the judges decision in the case, which i am not sure i agree with, oj gave fred a vehicle to have the opportunity to collect some money.

I still believe the Browns deserve their 40% of the funds from the sale and therefore they should have received some say in the matter.

i am still waiting for a article to lay out exactly how this deal will be executed
as there were issues that were not explained in the cnn link and the trustee or judge has not posted the decision on the courts web site.


question:
if fred receives money from the sale of this oj book, does this money received reduce the amount of money oj owes fred on the judgement?
imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

What i think is that the goldmans, since the civil judgement was issues have been looking for a way to get this judgement paid. based on the judges decision in the case, which i am not sure i agree with, oj gave fred a vehicle to have the opportunity to collect some money.

I still believe the Browns deserve their 40% of the funds from the sale and therefore they should have received some say in the matter.

i am still waiting for a article to lay out exactly how this deal will be executed
as there were issues that were not explained in the cnn link and the trustee or judge has not posted the decision on the courts web site.


question:
if fred receives money from the sale of this oj book, does this money received reduce the amount of money oj owes fred on the judgement?
imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

What I think is that since this Judgement was issued the Goldman's realized that it didn't affect OJ and he was very arrogant. The judgement didn't accomplish what they thought it would. Since OJ has to deceive everyone to get money and continue to exploit the murders then the Goldman's (IMO) feel that they have a mission to go after him. The Brown's actually agree with this. However, they don't go after him the same way because of the children. I completely agree with the judges decision. It was a sham company and that was wrong. That's why OJ lost.

The Goldman's also believe that the (and, by the way it's not "the Browns" that are a part of the judgement, it's the estate for the children) Estate deserves their share. Goldman has stated that he is putting himself at the end of the line for splitting the money out. You can't say that the Estate won't get their fair share because it hasn't been split yet.

This is such a good thing that has happened. The money will now go to the only two children that it should go to (their share). And, OJ can't get his greedy, bloody hands on it.

I believe that the money will go to satisfy the judgement because Fred was discussing that other creditors will be paid first. If they are paid first then that means they will be satisfied. So, if they're satisfied then Fred's judgement should also be reduced. There is a trustee that is over seeing all of this.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

What I think is that since this Judgement was issued the Goldman's realized that it didn't affect OJ and he was very arrogant. The judgement didn't accomplish what they thought it would. Since OJ has to deceive everyone to get money and continue to exploit the murders then the Goldman's (IMO) feel that they have a mission to go after him. The Brown's actually agree with this. However, they don't go after him the same way because of the children. I completely agree with the judges decision. It was a sham company and that was wrong. That's why OJ lost.

The Goldman's also believe that the (and, by the way it's not "the Browns" that are a part of the judgement, it's the estate for the children) Estate deserves their share. Goldman has stated that he is putting himself at the end of the line for splitting the money out. You can't say that the Estate won't get their fair share because it hasn't been split yet.

This is such a good thing that has happened. The money will now go to the only two children that it should go to (their share). And, OJ can't get his greedy, bloody hands on it.

I believe that the money will go to satisfy the judgement because Fred was discussing that other creditors will be paid first. If they are paid first then that means they will be satisfied. So, if they're satisfied then Fred's judgement should also be reduced. There is a trustee that is over seeing all of this.

tazzy hi

Do you have a understanding as to what this comment means.

"Despite taking 90 percent of the proceeds of the sale of the book rights, Goldman's $38 million judgment against Simpson still stands. He agreed, however, to drop his claim to the bottom of the list, meaning other creditors will be paid before he is paid."

martin II

[martin II]

Will the creditors, listed (lba lawyers etc) to collect from the 10-% be paid in full?
martin II

[tazzybaby]

He hasn't said what the break down will be. We don't know until we find out how much is actually made. The trustee will over see all of this also. And, I am glad to hear that Fred is putting himself at the end of the list. This helps squash all the people's thinking of him as being after money only.

[martin II]

He hasn't said what the break down will be. We don't know until we find out how much is actually made. The trustee will over see all of this also. And, I am glad to hear that Fred is putting himself at the end of the list. This helps squash all the people's thinking of him as being after money only.

tazzy hi
my interest is how could freds judgement remain in place if he is getting the rights and the money?maby this article is not that accurate.

i think Fred offered to drop his name to last indicates that this was necessary to get the judge to make this type decision. This does in no way mean that he is not after the money. Why did he protest the Browns (kids) getting their 40%. answer: because he wanted it for himself.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/11/cnr.06.html

Fred Goldman wants to publish the book under the title "Confessions of A Double Murderer". But Nicole Brown-Simpson's family, which opposes publication, says it has rights to the book, too.

Now, the judge decided today to give the Brown family and any other concerned parties until the end of the month to come forward.

Fred Goldman joins me by phone now from Los Angeles.

What do you think of the judge's decision?

FRED GOLDMAN: Well, honestly, I heard it from you, but I'm disappointed. I think that we had levied on the book. We were a secured creditor -- the only secured creditor. And it's disappointing that it's been delayed again. We've continually, over all these years, pursued -- tried to pursue some measure of justice and it never comes easy.

LEMON: You have been -- I've read your quotes and you said that you've been waiting for 11 years to exact some sort of justice on O.J. Simpson. Even though you have a civil judgment, you did not want him to profit from his book.

There are others, as well, who don't want you to profit, specifically Nicole Brown-Simpson's family.

And Denise Brown spoke out -- actually spoke to our Anderson Cooper. She said that the morally right thing for you to do is not publish it.

Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM "ANDERSON COOPER 360")

DENISE BROWN, NICOLE SIMPSON'S SISTER: The morally right decision would be not to publish this book. The absolutely horrific decision would be to publish this book. And if he actually goes out there and publishes this book, the only thing I can say is that here is a man that is true to his last name -- a man out for gold.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Your response, Mr. Goldman?

GOLDMAN: Well, honestly, I find that to be disturbingly sad. We've been pursuing justice for all of these years. And for Denise to say that at the same moment her father comes to this court, this bankruptcy court, and in motion, asks for 50 percent of whatever we get, seems a little -- a little outrageous.

The fact is that we've -- we -- my attorneys have read this book and it is nothing like what Denise imagines. It is, however, the equivalent of a -- an admission. And I think that's important to hear.

LEMON: Denise ...

GOLDMAN: And I'm ...

LEMON: Denise Brown has also ...

GOLDMAN: I'm saddened to hear those kinds of comments coming out of Denise.

LEMON: She also says, Mr. Goldman, that she's looking out for her sister's children in all of this.

Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM "ANDERSON COOPER 360")

BROWN: Now, Fred, do what's morally right. Don't publish the book. And if you do publish the book, OK -- if you do, take Nicole's name out of it, because there are her kids that -- that are walking, talking, breathing, that are old enough to, you know, to hear all of the -- all of this stuff that goes on behind it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Mr. Goldman?

GOLDMAN: Well, I mean, I understand, certainly, what she says, without question. The reality is it's these same adult kids that were the signatories on -- on the LBA sham company that was set up for the sole purpose of making certain that we would never be able to have any chance at the money that went from the publisher to the killer. That sham company was set up by the killer and his kids to avoid the judgment.

LEMON: What do you -- what do you say, Mr. Goldman -- and obviously we know that it's very sad thing that happened to your son and to Nicole Brown-Simpson.

GOLDMAN: (INAUDIBLE).

LEMON: But people who say that you are -- you're profiting from this.

GOLDMAN: Well, I -- I don't think that that's the case. We're not profiting from this. We went after an asset that belonged to the killer and to satisfy, in part, the judgment. The fact is that in a recent deposition, Arnel Simpson said that the -- her words -- that the family knew about the book all along and obviously so did the kids.

So it's -- it's very sad to hear those kinds of comments coming out of Denise. I respect the fact that she's been an advocate against abusive women. We've been pursuing our goal, and that is to get some justice. And they have their goals. And we share one thing and that is our children were murdered by the same monster. LEMON: And just, real quickly -- and not to rush you at all -- but you said ...

GOLDMAN: Not at all.

LEMON: You said you were doing this because your son would have wanted you to do everything in your power to do this?

GOLDMAN: You know what?

The fact is that he would have wanted, I believe, for us to pursue any measure of justice that we could have gotten from -- from this killer.

LEMON: Fred Goldman, thank you.

Will you come back after the judge makes a ruling on the 30th and talk to us?

GOLDMAN: Certainly.

[martin II]

Denise Browns interview about book.

And I pray to God that everybody that's opposed this book, even Fred at the beginning, I pray that everybody that signed that petition, DontPayOJ.com will also sign a petition against the publisher so that they will feel the same thing that Newscorp felt and Harper Collins felt to not have it published.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/30/

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
my interest is how could freds judgement remain in place if he is getting the rights and the money?maby this article is not that accurate.

i think Fred offered to drop his name to last indicates that this was necessary to get the judge to make this type decision. This does in no way mean that he is not after the money. Why did he protest the Browns (kids) getting their 40%. answer: because he wanted it for himself.
imo
martin II

Martin,

Why do you keep holding on to it when it isn't true? Your "answer" is wrong. If he wanted it for himself he wouldn't put himself at the bottom of the line. That had no bearing on the judges decision and that's not why Fred did it. I know that it is important to you to continue to call fred greedy but why would you ignore his words? He protested THE ESTATE because they wanted to cancel the book. Not because he didn't want them to have their fare share. Denise just said last night that the only thing they are not united on is the publishing of the book.

The judgement will remain in place because this is not an exchange for the judgement. That's what it means. This will go towards the judgement but will never be able to completely disolve the judgement because it's not enough money.

At least Sydney and Justin will get this money now and not OJ, Arnelle and Jason. The money will go in the right direction now.

[martin II]

nicoles children had 50% ownership in LBA. so 50% of what lba would have received from the book would have been to them.
considering how the book has been devalued based on the fight (and the fact that the book has been given away free) i would guess the amount they will now receive will be quite less.
imo
martinII

[tazzybaby]

This was yesterday ....

VAN SUSTEREN: I should probably add, Fred, it's not just you that says it's a sham corporation. The federal bankruptcy judge pretty much said it was a sham corporation that was set up to sort of try to hide the fact that the money was going to him.

FRED GOLDMAN: His exact words were, Greta, It was a sham company set up for the sole purpose of committing a fraud.


FRED GOLDMAN: Well, his advance in total was approximately $700,000. Part of it went to a marketing firm. Part of that went to his— I believe his ghost writer, his co-author. But about, in round numbers, $650,000, I believe, went directly to the killer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you, Fred, have any way to attach that or go after that amount of money that went to O.J. Simpson? Because I mean— look, I mean, he moved to Florida in order to dodge the civil judgment that the jury awarded him in California. Is there any way for you to attach that money, if it even exists anymore?

FRED GOLDMAN: Well, there was direct links to certain amounts of money, one of which was a link to, in round numbers, about $20,000 that was proven to be spent on a Lincoln Navigator, and the court in Florida, the bankruptcy court, ordered that car turned over.

KIM GOLDMAN: But just to be accurate— not to step on your words, Dad—

FRED GOLDMAN: Sure.

KIM GOLDMAN: —it's the trustees' responsibility of the bankruptcy court to go after that money. That is not something that we, our family, will be doing. That's an effort of the trustee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291698,00.html

[weezer]

I hope the Browns re-evaluate their public statements on this -- I believe the Goldmans/Browns received support for not publishing the book because no one wanted orenthal to profit from murdering two human beings. imo

[martin II]

I hope the Browns re-evaluate their public statements on this -- I believe the Goldmans/Browns received support for not publishing the book because no one wanted orenthal to profit from murdering two human beings. imo

i believe the people that protested the book being published THEN may still be inclined to side with the Browns and take the same position now.It may be difficult now for people to seperate who should get what and how much.Most may just take the position of the book should not be published as they may see this as a way for oj's words to be slienced.imo

The way for Fred to keep the Browns quiet is to give them their 40% share for nicoles two children which they are entitled to.But for now he wants that money for himself as 60% seems not to be enough for him.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

I'll wait to see what they do with the book but I plan on buying --

[martin II]

I hope the Browns re-evaluate their public statements on this -- I believe the Goldmans/Browns received support for not publishing the book because no one wanted orenthal to profit from murdering two human beings. imo


weezer
this seems to be Denise's stand.


DENISE BROWN, NICOLE SIMPSON'S SISTER: The morally right decision would be not to publish this book. The absolutely horrific decision would be to publish this book. And if he actually goes out there and publishes this book, the only thing I can say is that here is a man that is true to his last name -- a man out for gold.

[weezer]

it's sad to hear her say those things -- but she has a right to her feelings/opinions the same as Mr. Goldman.

[martin II]

Remember
Lou Brown has a legal responsibility to fight for the maximum amount possible for nicoles two children. Fred has faught them to prevent the children from receiving this.I see no reason why he refused to agree with them getting 40% other then he wanted it for himself.
So to say Mr Goldmans is not after the maximum amount of money for himself is not correct .imo
imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi
do you know if the creditors listed will be paid in full first?
martin II

[weezer]

LOL -- the orenthal apologists are doing a lot of hating today! imo

[martin II]

LOL -- the orenthal apologists are doing a lot of hating today! imo

weezer
prior to your post i have not read any poster to poster personal accusations
of anger, hate or displeasure. Yours is the first.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Remember
Lou Brown has a legal responsibility to fight for the maximum amount possible for nicoles two children. Fred has faught them to prevent the children from receiving this.I see no reason why he refused to agree with them getting 40% other then he wanted it for himself.
So to say Mr Goldmans is not after the maximum amount of money for himself is not correct .imo
imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

This whole post is incorrect. He doesn't want them to stop the book. So, it would actually be the Brown's who would stop the children from receiving money. Goldman said he is at the bottom of the list. That doesn't sound like someone who is out to make money. They also said they're starting a foundation.

Now the money that will go to the children will go to the two children that it should go to. Fred Goldman has done a good thing by taking the money that OJ would have used for himself and given it to the two children who have sufferred the most.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
do you know if the creditors listed will be paid in full first?
martin II

Hi Martin,

It will depend on how much money is received. There is no way to know that ahead of time. However, that is the impression that I got from Fred Goldman last night on TV. There are like three creditors that are small in comparison to the Goldmans & the Estate. One is $20,000 and the other two are smaller.

[weezer]

weezer
prior to your post i have not read any poster to poster personal accusations
of anger, hate or displeasure. Yours is the first.imo
martin II

WTH are you talking about? what poster to poster attack?

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

It will depend on how much money is received. There is no way to know that ahead of time. However, that is the impression that I got from Fred Goldman last night on TV. There are like three creditors that are small in comparison to the Goldmans & the Estate. One is $20,000 and the other two are smaller.


tazzy hi
this is a list of creditors from the cnn link to the report.

"Other creditors include the $24 million judgment for the Brown family; $15,000 for a former Simpson attorney; $20,000 for another attorney; $350,000 for the book's ghostwriter and another $300,000 for a pair of law firms."

[martin II]

WTH are you talking about? what poster to poster attack?


weezer
here is my post.
it was made in response to your post below, However you have never identified who the "orenthal apologists' actually are.
martin II

Quote:
Originally Posted by martin II
weezer
prior to your post i have not read any poster to poster personal accusations
of anger, hate or displeasure. Yours is the first.imo
martin II



"LOL -- the orenthal apologists are doing a lot of hating today! imo"

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

This whole post is incorrect. He doesn't want them to stop the book. So, it would actually be the Brown's who would stop the children from receiving money. Goldman said he is at the bottom of the list. That doesn't sound like someone who is out to make money. They also said they're starting a foundation.

Now the money that will go to the children will go to the two children that it should go to. Fred Goldman has done a good thing by taking the money that OJ would have used for himself and given it to the two children who have sufferred the most.

tazzy hi
the browns have said their first choice is for the bbok not to be published But if it is going to be published they have a legal responsibility to get as much as possible for the children. It is a fact that Fred faught to prevent the two kids from getting 40% and he won. whats wrong about that fact?
imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi
this is a list of creditors from the cnn link to the report.

"Other creditors include the $24 million judgment for the Brown family; $15,000 for a former Simpson attorney; $20,000 for another attorney; $350,000 for the book's ghostwriter and another $300,000 for a pair of law firms."

tazzy hi

I believe the article reporting on the issue has flaws
hc Regan said they paid the ghost writer $100,000. the article says a ghost writer is owed $300 $350,000.00 :shrug:
was there more than one ghostwriter??
martin II

[socaldiva]

weezer
prior to your post i have not read any poster to poster personal accusations
of anger, hate or displeasure. Yours is the first.imo
martin II

You've got to be joking. Her post didn't contain "anger,hate or displeasure". It looks like you are misinterpreting the posts, just like you do the facts of the case. :no:

[weezer]

weezer
here is my post.
it was made in response to your post below, However you have never identified who the "orenthal apologists' actually are.
martin II

Quote:
Originally Posted by martin II
weezer
prior to your post i have not read any poster to poster personal accusations
of anger, hate or displeasure. Yours is the first.imo
martin II



"LOL -- the orenthal apologists are doing a lot of hating today! imo"

rather than offend you, I'm simply going to say that the statement was misinterpreted by you. I'm beginning to think you are baiting me -- is that the deal?

[martin II]

rather than offend you, I'm simply going to say that the statement was misinterpreted by you. I'm beginning to think you are baiting me -- is that the deal?

weezer
i have not baited you. I have responded to your post claiming "the oj apologist were hating
todaY,"


I had not found that any poster had made a hateful post today and i do not know who the oj apologist posters you refer to, are.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
i have not baited you. I have responded to your post claiming "the oj apologist were hating
todaY,"


I had not found that any poster had made a hateful post today and i do not know who the oj apologist posters you refer to, are.
imo
martin II

martin -- get away from me.

[martin II]

martin -- get away from me.

currently i am in my office. No one is in this room with me at the moment.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

there are some informative links posted on GOLDMAN SUE thread if anyone is interested.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
the browns have said their first choice is for the bbok not to be published But if it is going to be published they have a legal responsibility to get as much as possible for the children. It is a fact that Fred faught to prevent the two kids from getting 40% and he won. whats wrong about that fact?
imo
martin II

Nothings wrong with them fighting the Estate to stop their 40%. But, the reason that they did that is not to keep the kids from getting their share of money. It is to keep them from owning 40% of the rights (which would mean half with the Goldman's). That way the Goldman's can still publish the book. You are twisting it to mean money only. The Goldman's are putting the children above their own payment AND the children STILL get their own share. I understand the reasoning behind it and I am glad that this keeps OJ and Arnelle from getting anything and it will go directly to Sydney and Justin.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

I believe the article reporting on the issue has flaws
hc Regan said they paid the ghost writer $100,000. the article says a ghost writer is owed $300 $350,000.00 :shrug:
was there more than one ghostwriter??
martin II


I heard Fred talking last night about it and I was going by memory in my last post. I remember him saying something about the co-writer/ghost writer having money owed him. My guess is that he was to be paid so much after the book sold.

[tazzybaby]

rather than offend you, I'm simply going to say that the statement was misinterpreted by you. I'm beginning to think you are baiting me -- is that the deal?


I understood your post! And, you weren't hateful!

:)

[Kate Sachel]

tazzy hi
my interest is how could freds judgement remain in place if he is getting the rights and the money?maby this article is not that accurate.



I think you may be confusing the judgment itself and Fred's status as a creditor of LBA in their bankruptcy action.

Fred has recieved the rights and money as a creditor in the bankruptcy of LBA due to the findings of it being a sham company, and that money will go toward the judgment and help to reduce it but it will not remove the judgment.

The judgment would not be removed even if OJ Simpson himself filed bankruptcy because of the special findings of the jury in the civil trial; the judgment is bankruptcy-proof.

Kate

[martin II]

Martin,

Why do you keep holding on to it when it isn't true? Your "answer" is wrong. If he wanted it for himself he wouldn't put himself at the bottom of the line. That had no bearing on the judges decision and that's not why Fred did it. I know that it is important to you to continue to call fred greedy but why would you ignore his words? He protested THE ESTATE because they wanted to cancel the book. Not because he didn't want them to have their fare share. Denise just said last night that the only thing they are not united on is the publishing of the book.

The judgement will remain in place because this is not an exchange for the judgement. That's what it means. This will go towards the judgement but will never be able to completely disolve the judgement because it's not enough money.

At least Sydney and Justin will get this money now and not OJ, Arnelle and Jason. The money will go in the right direction now.

tazzy hi
thanks
i just wanterd to be clear that the money received by Fred will reduce the amount oj owes him. There was another opinion posted about this previously.

martin II

[socaldiva]

tazzy hi
thanks
i just wanterd to be clear that the money received by Fred will reduce the amount oj owes him. There was another opinion posted about this previously.

martin II

Another opinion was posted when & by whom? :confused:

The very link that you posted spoke to this very subject: The book transaction will not reduce the judgement.
Are you doubting the information in the link you supplied?

[martin II]

OJ seems to have moved on from the book to some new venture.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

OJ seems to have moved on from the book to some new venture.

imo
martin II

hope it doesn't give him direct access to sharp objects! :eek: :tongue:

[socaldiva]

OJ seems to have moved on from the book to some new venture.

imo
martin II


Yes, he's moved on to giving interviews in an effort to rehabilitate his pathetic image. It looks like he does care what the public thinks. It'll never work, he'll be an outcast til the day he dies. As it should be. :biggrin:

[tv]

Yes, he's moved on to giving interviews in an effort to rehabilitate his pathetic image. It looks like he does care what the public thinks. It'll never work, he'll be an outcast til the day he dies. As it should be. :biggrin:I think he does care about his public image because he mentioned it in his suicide note. I guess he wasn't thinking about his public image when he killed Ron and Nicole.

No matter what the outcome, people will look and point. I can't take that.

[socaldiva]

I think he does care about his public image because he mentioned it in his suicide note. I guess he wasn't thinking about his public image when he killed Ron and Nicole.

No matter what the outcome, people will look and point. I can't take that.

I remember that sentence too! I think he cared then & I think he still cares. If he didn't he wouldn't continue to give these interviews & write books trying to put himself in a better light. I guess he is like a lot of other murderers, he thought he could get away with it at the time. :mad:

[socaldiva]

It looks as though Simpson had far more input into the book than many here give him credit for ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070803/en_nm/simpson_book_dc

Here's an interesting tidbid from the ghostwriter:

"I find it completely unnecessary to defend myself against this man," Fenjves said when pressed about Simpson's comments. "All I can say is if there are errors in the book, it's because O.J. didn't correct them, or worse, he fed them to me. But that's fine, too. It's his book. Self-delusion is a wonderful thing.""

[tv]

It looks as though Simpson had far more input into the book than many here give him credit for ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070803/en_nm/simpson_book_dc

Here's an interesting tidbid from the ghostwriter:

"I find it completely unnecessary to defend myself against this man," Fenjves said when pressed about Simpson's comments. "All I can say is if there are errors in the book, it's because O.J. didn't correct them, or worse, he fed them to me. But that's fine, too. It's his book. Self-delusion is a wonderful thing.""Thanks for the link! Very interesting. IMO, OJ Simpson really is deluded. He's told the lie so long he believes it himself. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

Thanks for the link! Very interesting. IMO, OJ Simpson really is deluded. He's told the lie so long he believes it himself. :rolleyes:

tv dinner
Fujventis (sp) lived close to Nicole, was a very close friend of Regan and was hired by her , Testified in the trial and would be expected to have knowledge of the testimony.To now say he did not know that this 'CHAPTER' that he was writing was unreal and made no sense,seems very strange at best.imo
martin II

[tv]

tv dinner
Fujventis (sp) lived close to Nicole, was a very close friend of Regan and was hired by her , Testified in the trial and would be expected to have knowledge of the testimony.To now say he did not know that this 'CHAPTER' that he was writing was unreal and made no sense,seems very strange at best.imo
martin IImartin, in the article Fenjves didn't say whether or not he thought the chapter was a true accounting of what happened. He was making the point that IF there were errors it was OJ Simpson that gave him the information and told him what to write.

[martin II]

martin, in the article Fenjves didn't say whether or not he thought the chapter was a true accounting of what happened. He was making the point that IF there were errors it was OJ Simpson that gave him the information and told him what to write.

tv dinner
Oj says that he realized that there were errors in the chapter but he did not correct what had been written. I believe they both may have offered suggestion for this chapter.Oj read what Fenjvies had put in and did not correct it.
Look, i don't now if this is important at all. For me the whole 'CHAPTER', whoever wrote it did so knowing it was fantasy and unrealistic put in to sell the book without being accurate. Publishing houses do this frequently. I am sure they knew the book needed more than oj talking about his love affair with Nicole for 17 years.
Fenjvesd was hired to add spice and interest but now seems to want to say
i am not responsible for any of it.imo
martin II

[tv]

tv dinner
Oj says that he realized that there were errors in the chapter but he did not correct what had been written. I believe they both may have offered suggestion for this chapter.Oj read what Fenjvies had put in and did not correct it.
Look, i don't now if this is important at all. For me the whole 'CHAPTER', whoever wrote it did so knowing it was fantasy and unrealistic put in to sell the book without being accurate. Publishing houses do this frequently. I am sure they knew the book needed more than oj talking about his love affair with Nicole for 17 years.
Fenjvesd was hired to add spice and interest but now seems to want to say
i am not responsible for any of it.imo
martin IImartin, IMO even OJ Simpson knows how tasteless the whole project was and is trying to distance himself. Unfortunately, he made a small chunk of change from the whole fiasco.

I think it's very possible that the writer is telling the truth about OJ Simpson's involvement in the CHAPTER. What reason does he have to lie?

[martin II]

martin, IMO even OJ Simpson knows how tasteless the whole project was and is trying to distance himself. Unfortunately, he made a small chunk of change from the whole fiasco.

I think it's very possible that the writer is telling the truth about OJ Simpson's involvement in the CHAPTER. What reason does he have to lie?

tv dinner
0j said from the beginning the book was blood money and he did it for the money.I have not read a statement where he changed this.
I think Fujventis was pleased when Regan called and asked him to ghost write the book for the money he received.What i think he may be doing now that the book is out and some are critical of it, is moving away from any responsibility and tossing it on to a easy target OJ.
What is he saying he just wrote down what ij said without any creative imput? Regan could have hired a good secretary to do that.imo
martin II

[martin II]

tv dinner

i think there are many people that are pleased that OJ and Regan decided to do this book.IMO
MARTIN ii

[jotun]

No matter what the outcome, people will look and point. I can't take that.


ALL---And more from the book:

O.J.SUICIDE NOTE

O.J...."I think of my life and feel I've done most of the right things.Whatever the outcome peole will look and point.I can't take that I can't subject my children to that.This way they can move on and go on with their lives.Please if I've done anything worthwhile in my life,let my kids live in peace from you.

I've had a good life,I'm proud of how I've lived.My momma taught me to do unto others.I treated people the way I wanted to be treated.I've always tried to be up and helpful,so why is this happening?
I'm sorry for the Goldman family.I know how much it hurts.....

jotun

[jotun]

It looks as though Simpson had far more input into the book than many here give him credit for ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070803/en_nm/simpson_book_dc

Here's an interesting tidbid from the ghostwriter:

"I find it completely unnecessary to defend myself against this man," Fenjves said when pressed about Simpson's comments. "All I can say is if there are errors in the book, it's because O.J. didn't correct them, or worse, he fed them to me. But that's fine, too. It's his book. Self-delusion is a wonderful thing.""

ALL

And another interesting tidbit:

Fenjves "O.J. READ the book,his book several times.I made every change he asked for,and he signed off on it."Fenjves said he spent weeks with Simpson interviewing him in person and by phone,WRITING A ROUGH DRAFT letting Simpson READ the manuscript,make revisions and repeating the process.
"And I told O.J.as I have a dozen plus other people I've ghostwriten for.
'Nobody sees this book until you are happy with it.And that's exactly what happened."

Mostly.
There it is for all, who insisted these many months, that O.J. WROTE his book.Fenjves CONFIRMED everything O.J.has said all along including the hook chapter. O.J. EDITED most of that out and Fenjves seems to back him up. And to his credit LEFT IT OUT.

Just as I have posted over & over.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Fenjves "O.J. READ the book,his book several times.I made every change he asked for,and he signed off on it."

This says it all for me :shrug:

[jotun]

Hi Martin,

This whole post is incorrect. He doesn't want them to stop the book. So, it would actually be the Brown's who would stop the children from receiving money. Goldman said he is at the bottom of the list. That doesn't sound like someone who is out to make money. They also said they're starting a foundation.

Now the money that will go to the children will go to the two children that it should go to. Fred Goldman has done a good thing by taking the money that OJ would have used for himself and given it to the two children who have sufferred the most.

All
What utter nonsence.He sure doesn't want the Brown's to stop the book.No O.J. BOOK MONEY for him. Gold-man wanted their help in stopping the book in Nov.and got it.Denise thanked the women's groups for the organized effort on LK. Denise has VOWED to organize again. GOLD-mans starting a foundation[funded by O.J.?] so they can keep 95% like Denise does.

Fred did a good thing?????? by taking the kids 50% of millions and leaving them with a portion of 10% of the first 4 million. Think that is a shared $400,000 for a $24,685,000 claim.Is this new math.
Anyone but tazzy believe that fred will PAY the kids their 24 million first???
LBA was all 4 kids company set up to give them the book rights and most of the profits from the book.Maybe I can explain why Arnelle & Jason were also set to recieve book money. This book was to be and is O.J.& NICOLE A LOVE STORY. Arnelle & Jason to receive for O.J. and Sydney & Justin for Nicole. Simple.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
This book was to be and is O.J.& NICOLE A LOVE STORY.

A "love story" that ends with murdering the mother of your children?

[jotun]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/simpson.book/index.html

the book deal
it seems that the Browns get nothing?
fred gets the title free and it does not count for oj on the judgement?
90% for fred 10% for creditors.
according to this article
imo

martin II

Martin
July 31 on cnn Susan Candotti said
"The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL".

Then typically goldmans lawyers were shown saying discussions were underway with literary agents publishing houses and movie studios about the project.

Have you seen the judge's order???

IMO

jotun

[martin II]

Martin
July 31 on cnn Susan Candotti said
"The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL".

Then typically goldmans lawyers were shown saying discussions were underway with literary agents publishing houses and movie studios about the project.

Have you seen the judge's order???

IMO

jotun
jotun

no. the judge has not posted even his first decision on the court web site let along the second one.
The articles i have read seem to be faulty and conflicting .There does not seem to be that many.So i am waiting but will try again.

Have you decided how the Browns are regular creditors owed 24 mil and other creditors are owed a little over $650,000.00 and they are to be paid FIRST from the 10%. how the hell does that work.

martin II
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

All
What utter nonsence.He sure doesn't want the Brown's to stop the book.No O.J. BOOK MONEY for him. Gold-man wanted their help in stopping the book in Nov.and got it.Denise thanked the women's groups for the organized effort on LK. Denise has VOWED to organize again. GOLD-mans starting a foundation[funded by O.J.?] so they can keep 95% like Denise does.

Fred did a good thing?????? by taking the kids 50% of millions and leaving them with a portion of 10% of the first 4 million. Think that is a shared $400,000 for a $24,685,000 claim.Is this new math.
Anyone but tazzy believe that fred will PAY the kids their 24 million first???
LBA was all 4 kids company set up to give them the book rights and most of the profits from the book.Maybe I can explain why Arnelle & Jason were also set to recieve book money. This book was to be and is O.J.& NICOLE A LOVE STORY. Arnelle & Jason to receive for O.J. and Sydney & Justin for Nicole. Simple.

IMO

jotun
jotun

And if the book only sales for $1,000,000 what do the kids get. One major published is quoted as saying he has no interest. There are some groups that believe that ALL printed material should be free and are still giving the book away free. just google it and see.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

ALL

And another interesting tidbit:

Fenjves "O.J. READ the book,his book several times.I made every change he asked for,and he signed off on it."Fenjves said he spent weeks with Simpson interviewing him in person and by phone,WRITING A ROUGH DRAFT letting Simpson READ the manuscript,make revisions and repeating the process.
"And I told O.J.as I have a dozen plus other people I've ghostwriten for.
'Nobody sees this book until you are happy with it.And that's exactly what happened."

Mostly.
There it is for all, who insisted these many months, that O.J. WROTE his book.Fenjves CONFIRMED everything O.J.has said all along including the hook chapter. O.J. EDITED most of that out and Fenjves seems to back him up. And to his credit LEFT IT OUT.

Just as I have posted over & over.

IMO

jotun

jotun
thanks for clearing that issue up.

martin II

[martin II]

ALL---And more from the book:

O.J.SUICIDE NOTE

O.J...."I think of my life and feel I've done most of the right things.Whatever the outcome peole will look and point.I can't take that I can't subject my children to that.This way they can move on and go on with their lives.Please if I've done anything worthwhile in my life,let my kids live in peace from you.

I've had a good life,I'm proud of how I've lived.My momma taught me to do unto others.I treated people the way I wanted to be treated.I've always tried to be up and helpful,so why is this happening?
I'm sorry for the Goldman family.I know how much it hurts.....

jotun


jotun

Thanks for posting that one line in the proper context so that it can be understood. One liners rarely tell the whole story. imo
martin II

[martin II]

Martin
July 31 on cnn Susan Candotti said
"The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL".

Then typically goldmans lawyers were shown saying discussions were underway with literary agents publishing houses and movie studios about the project.

Have you seen the judge's order???

IMO

jotun

jotun

i think the real scam is the judges decision.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin
July 31 on cnn Susan Candotti said
"The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL".

Then typically goldmans lawyers were shown saying discussions were underway with literary agents publishing houses and movie studios about the project.

Have you seen the judge's order???

IMO

jotun

jotun

I thought the trustee was in charge of selling the book. But it seems that the goldmans are trying to sell it.:shrug:
martin II

[martin II]

jotun

Although it was lba that filed bankruptcy it now seems that any money fred receives will be deducted from the judgement amount oj owes him.
imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

jotun

Although it was lba that filed bankruptcy it now seems that any money fred receives will be deducted from the judgement amount oj owes him.
imo
martin II

This is quite simple; of course the money will be deducted from the judgment because LBA was determined to have been a shell corporation originating with the purpose of hiding OJ Simpson's assets.

That is the only reason why Fred Goldman is allowed a creditor status under the bankruptcy of LBA and thus any money recieved would go toward satisfying the judgment.

Kate

[weezer]

This is quite simple; of course the money will be deducted from the judgment because LBA was determined to have been a shell corporation originating with the purpose of hiding OJ Simpson's assets.

That is the only reason why Fred Goldman is allowed a creditor status under the bankruptcy of LBA and thus any money recieved would go toward satisfying the judgment.

Kate

hi Kate -- as you can see, somethings never change. :tongue:

[martin II]

Martin
July 31 on cnn Susan Candotti said
"The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL".

Then typically goldmans lawyers were shown saying discussions were underway with literary agents publishing houses and movie studios about the project.

Have you seen the judge's order???

IMO

jotun


jotun

In my opinion the biggest scam was how the judge declared lba to be a scam
and then declared that oj , although he had no stock in the company, to be the owner of LBA.
This move was necessary for him to then "take the rights from oj" and assist fred in his efforts to get the title/money by just giving fred 90% and everyone else 10%
imo

martin II

[tazzybaby]

All
What utter nonsence.He sure doesn't want the Brown's to stop the book.No O.J. BOOK MONEY for him. Gold-man wanted their help in stopping the book in Nov.and got it.Denise thanked the women's groups for the organized effort on LK. Denise has VOWED to organize again. GOLD-mans starting a foundation[funded by O.J.?] so they can keep 95% like Denise does.

Fred did a good thing?????? by taking the kids 50% of millions and leaving them with a portion of 10% of the first 4 million. Think that is a shared $400,000 for a $24,685,000 claim.Is this new math.
Anyone but tazzy believe that fred will PAY the kids their 24 million first???
LBA was all 4 kids company set up to give them the book rights and most of the profits from the book.Maybe I can explain why Arnelle & Jason were also set to recieve book money. This book was to be and is O.J.& NICOLE A LOVE STORY. Arnelle & Jason to receive for O.J. and Sydney & Justin for Nicole. Simple.

IMO

jotun

LOL!

The good thing that he did was keep the money out of OJ's hand. He doesn't deserve to profit from this book. Or any other book regarding anything to do with the murders. And, he's a total @ss for ever saying anything bad about Nicole because of the children, let alone write a book. If anyone should get the money it should be Sydney and Justin. And, Arnelle and Jason don't deserve any of this money either. They have their mother AND their father. They will have an inheritance from their mother AND their father. They didn't have to grow up without a mother. Sydney and Justin will get WAY more money from the Goldman's than they ever would from OJ! LOL! OJ got paid first....he made sure of that. And, he created a sham company to do it. Then used his daughter to help him try and get away with it.

Does anyone but Ojnut think that OJ would give the kids any of that money? The judge sure didn't think that! Sham company.

Even when it is proven that OJ is a sham you still believe that he would give 50% to his kids???? He didn't even give any to them when he did get money from the book. LOL! But, he sure got paid first! OJ and Nicole a love story? That actually made me laugh out loud! He dogs Nicole every chance he gets. He downplays anything that he ever did. HE LIES ABOUT THE ABUSE THAT SHE WENT THROUGH. And, you think that justifies Arnelle and Jason profiting from it???? OMG, your reasoning is strange. If (as you say) you see it as a love story between OJ and Nicole, what was produced from this "love story"?? Sydney and Justin. Not Arnelle and Jason.

No matter what angle it is looked at this whole book story is not good. The Goldman's wouldn't be put in the position to sell the book had he not written it. The Brown's wouldn't be trying to stop the book and mad at the Goldman's about it had OJ not written the book. Arnelle wouldn't have had to lie on the stand had OJ not written the book. OJ admitted that he wrote this book for the money and he admitted that it was blood money. He is at fault for this ever being done anyway.

It is amusing to see you people trying to portray the Goldman's as greedy and after money when OJ openly admits that he knew it was blood money.

I don't want the book published and I agree with the Brown's. But, I don't blame Fred for what he's done. OJ put him in this position. So, I blame OJ. And, he just looks more like an idiot by doing it in the first place. It is a good thing for him to give the money to Sydney and Justin. I think it will make OJ mad if Fred does get money and that will make me happy. But, if Fred does give the money to others (especially Sydney and Justin) then it is even a better thing.

[tazzybaby]

jotun

In my opinion the biggest scam was how the judge declared lba to be a scam
and then declared that oj , although he had no stock in the company, to be the owner of LBA.
This move was necessary for him to then "take the rights from oj" and assist fred in his efforts to get the title/money by just giving fred 90% and everyone else 10%
imo

martin II

Hi Martin,

Why? What makes you think otherwise?

IMO it was DEFINATELY PROVEN that it was a sham company set up to get money funnelled to OJ. Did you see or read about the evidence they had?

The judge is highly intelligent imo.

[socaldiva]

*snip*

I don't blame Fred for what he's done. OJ put him in this position. So, I blame OJ. And, he just looks more like an idiot by doing it in the first place. It is a good thing for him to give the money to Sydney and Justin. I think it will make OJ mad if Fred does get money and that will make me happy. But, if Fred does give the money to others (especially Sydney and Justin) then it is even a better thing.

I agree completely. Orenthal continues to do things that make him look like an idiot. The blame rests with him. He's the one that committed the murders & continues to act like the @ss that he is.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Why? What makes you think otherwise?

IMO it was DEFINATELY PROVEN that it was a sham company set up to get money funnelled to OJ. Did you see or read about the evidence they had?

The judge is highly intelligent imo.

tazzy hi

i know of no law in any state that prevents oj from working for money. too bad H COLLINS did not tell fred they had paid LBA the money.

The judge in his efforts to assist fred delcared LBA a oj company as it was not possible to give fred any assets of LBA.

This way he could declare fred a creditor. IF it had not been for the browns
the judge would have given fred 100% of the money from the title.

Have you asked yourself why it is fred selling the title now and not the trustee?

imo
martrin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

i know of no law in any state that prevents oj from working for money. too bad H COLLINS did not tell fred they had paid LBA the money.

The judge in his efforts to assist fred delcared LBA a oj company as it was not possible to give fred any assets of LBA.

This way he could declare fred a creditor. IF it had not been for the browns
the judge would have given fred 100% of the money from the title.

Have you asked yourself why it is fred selling the title now and not the trustee?

imo
martrin II

Hi martin,

This wasn't about "not allowing OJ to work". This was about OJ creating a sham company to avoid paying his creditors. That's against the law. It's not allowed. And, it wasn't allowed.

The judge was following the law. OJ was not.

I understand why Fred is selling the title now.

[martin II]

Hi martin,

This wasn't about "not allowing OJ to work". This was about OJ creating a sham company to avoid paying his creditors. That's against the law. It's not allowed. And, it wasn't allowed.

The judge was following the law. OJ was not.

I understand why Fred is selling the title now.

tazzy hi

i thought the judge had initially given the responsibility of selling the assets of lba , now oj, to the trustee.why did that change?

martin II

[jotun]

jotun

I thought the trustee was in charge of selling the book. But it seems that the goldmans are trying to sell it.:shrug:
martin II

martin,

18 MONTHS

Gold-man seems to have defied the judge's order by being " in talks". Nobody should be trying to sell it YET.
Not for 18 months.According to cnn:" The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL"

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

martin,

18 MONTHS

Gold-man seems to have defied the judge's order by being " in talks". Nobody should be trying to sell it YET.
Not for 18 months.According to cnn:" The bankruptcy judge ORDERED a 18 month limit on trying to sell the book rights or he might NIX THE DEAL"

IMO

jotun

Mr Goldman doesn't strike me as the type of man that would defy a court order, perhaps you are confusing him with Orenthal. He does that repeatedly. ;)

[weezer]

Mr Goldman doesn't strike me as the type of man that would defy a court order, perhaps you are confusing him with Orenthal. He does that repeatedly. ;)

LOL -- you are so right.

I understood the order to be that Mr. Goldman had to be aggressive in trying to sell the book and was only given 18 months to do so. imo

[martin II]

i am wondering if the court fights and the internet availability of free copiers of the book has deminished it's value and or market competition for the rights.

martin II

[martin II]

http://www.tmz.com/

[socaldiva]

i am wondering if the court fights and the internet availability of free copiers of the book has deminished it's value and or market competition for the rights.

martin II

Why would "court fights" diminish the book's value? I think a good many people might buy the book just out of support for the Goldman's, but who knows. It's hard to predict what the public will do in advance.

[weezer]

http://www.tmz.com/

love this quote: "Perhaps it would be best if someone else cut the birthday cake." LOL

[tv]

I like this one:

When OJ got to talking about his kids, he got emotional, saying, "I raised those kids by myself!" That'll happen when you kill their mother! :D :D

[jotun]

I understood the order to be that Mr. Goldman had to be aggressive in trying to sell the book and was only given 18 months to do so. imo

Seems you are right.I thought that
at first also,but then thought after 18 months was more benificial to gold-man than in 18 months.Give it time and let people forget how gold-man made a complete greedy --- of himself. Then pretend it's a all new O.J. BOOK. Also his judge said early on that nothing would be published for many months. Maybe he thought the SIMPSONS would appeal. As did I.If they didn't,think they might have something else planned. Hopefully, but not likely as good as the book leak. Nothing could ever top that.....
Still # 1 on the FREE BOOK LIST.
And still LOL !!!

IMO

jotun
jotun

[martin II]

http://www.tmz.com/

note


this is oj boook story.But it has other stories so be careful about scrolling down too far.

martin II

[martin II]

announcement about book to come tomorrow.

martin II

[jotun]

I think a good many people might buy the book just out of support for the Goldman's, but who knows. It's hard to predict what the public will do in advance.

ALL:
Many supported gold-man in his fight to get that book cancelled.Will these same people buy the O.J. BOOK from gold-man or will they feel that they got 'punked'. And then support Denise,who has vowed to do the same again to the next publisher.

"DON'T PAY GOLD-MAN"???

www.denisebrown.com

IMO

jotun

[martin II]

http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/S/SIMPSON_BOOK?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=ENTERTAINMENT

oj book

martin II

[martin II]

ALL:
Many supported gold-man in his fight to get that book cancelled.Will these same people buy the O.J. BOOK from gold-man or will they feel that they got 'punked'. And then support Denise,who has vowed to do the same again to the next publisher.

"DON'T PAY GOLD-MAN"???

www.denisebrown.com

IMO

jotun


jotun

looks like Denise has found a way to move on.

i read the comments.

martin II

[martin II]

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6466006.html

oj book

martin II

[weezer]

ALL:
Many supported gold-man in his fight to get that book cancelled.Will these same people buy the O.J. BOOK from gold-man or will they feel that they got 'punked'. And then support Denise,who has vowed to do the same again to the next publisher.

"DON'T PAY GOLD-MAN"???

www.denisebrown.com

IMO

jotun

many support the Goldmans and the Browns in the book not being published for orenthal and arnelle to profit off of it. I don't believe there are many people who feel they got 'punked' -- as you so eloquently state -- and if people want to buy the book without orenthal and arnelle getting their greedy/bloody hands on the money -- so be it. imo

[Kate Sachel]

many support the Goldmans and the Browns in the book not being published for orenthal and arnelle to profit off of it. I don't believe there are many people who feel they got 'punked' -- as you so eloquently state -- and if people want to buy the book without orenthal and arnelle getting their greedy/bloody hands on the money -- so be it. imo

Absolutely. I can say that for myself the only issue at hand was that I did not want OJ Simpson to profit from the book. Now that that's out of the way I have no further issue with the book.

Kate

[martin II]

H Collins assisted oj by paying him about $1,000,000 BEFORE they told anyone there was a book. So oj has already been paid.
martinii

[Sturgeon_Moon]

I like this one:

When OJ got to talking about his kids, he got emotional, saying, "I raised those kids by myself!" That'll happen when you kill their mother! :D :DWOW! Good catch.

[weezer]

H Collins assisted oj by paying him about $1,000,000 BEFORE they told anyone there was a book. So oj has already been paid.
martinii

wonder if arnelle got mad when he didn't share?

[martin II]

wonder if arnelle got mad when he didn't share?

Arnell has really got you going. imo
martin II

[weezer]

Arnell has really got you going. imo
martin II

nah -- I just don't want people to forget her role in this.

I believe she's a co-conspirator in the murder of two human beings. I believe she thought she could make money off of daddy telling how he/they did it. I believe that little acorn didn't fall far from the tree. imo

[martin II]

nah -- I just don't want people to forget her role in this.

I believe she's a co-conspirator in the murder of two human beings. I believe she thought she could make money off of daddy telling how he/they did it. I believe that little acorn didn't fall far from the tree. imo

weezer
Arnell has got you going for sure.Real Bad

imo

martinII

[weezer]

weezer
Arnell has got you going for sure.Real Bad

imo

martinII

LOL -- welllllllll, maybe. It's just that she and her dad seem like such a waste of air and space -- you know? imo

[martin II]

LOL -- welllllllll, maybe. It's just that she and her dad seem like such a waste of air and space -- you know? imo

maby you should look for a way to speak to Arnell directly so you can maby
get a response to your opinions of her.imo
martin II

[weezer]

maby you should look for a way to speak to Arnell directly so you can maby
get a response to your opinions of her.imo
martin II

ummm - no. she doesn't care what I think about her and I certainly don't care what she has to say. you sure use up a lot of energy defending her -- ever wonder why? imo

[socaldiva]

ummm - no. she doesn't care what I think about her and I certainly don't care what she has to say. you sure use up a lot of energy defending her -- ever wonder why? imo

Arnelle probably wouldn't be able to follow any intelligent questions anyway :D

[martin II]

ummm - no. she doesn't care what I think about her and I certainly don't care what she has to say. you sure use up a lot of energy defending her -- ever wonder why? imo

i find it strange that one poster seems to use a lot of energy to find negative
comments to make about Arnell. "SOMETHING WRONG"

IMO
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

ummm - no. she doesn't care what I think about her and I certainly don't care what she has to say. you sure use up a lot of energy defending her -- ever wonder why? imo


I don't think she knows what you think and i agree that she may not care.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

I don't think she knows what you think and i agree that she may not care.
imo
martin II

You post about Arnelle. Does this mean that you think she knows/cares what you think about her? :shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

Like the negative energy you expend on the victims & their families? I find it perfectly understandable to criticize the murderer & his helper. They do negative things, hence the negative comments. I don't understand harping on/attacking victims. "SOMETHING WRONG" indeed.

I love you for this (and many other reasons too)!

Kate

[martin II]

Jotun

Denise Brwons says DO NOT BUY THAT BOOK.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/08/15/simpson.book.ap/index.html


"We will be working diligently to not only publish this book well, but to honor the memory of the victims of this terrible crime: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson," Beaufort president Eric Kampmann wrote in a statement announcing the deal.





MARTIN II

[martin II]

jotun

Freds book publisher.

And the lucky publisher who gets to publish O.J. Simpson's tell-all book, If I Did It – guaranteed profits! At only the low, low cost of your soul! – has finally been announced. It's Eric Kampmann of Beaufort Books! Wait, who? Upon a bit of investigation, we discovered that Beaufort is a small, independent house that frequently "guides the publishing process" and "shares in the risk." In other words, it's a vanity press where writers put up some of their own money to see their work in print. The Goldmans won't have to put up any cash for this effort, but according to Publisher's Weekly, "the manuscript is believed to have gotten a cool response from major houses," which may be why it found its way to a smaller company. "Eric came forward and he is really a well respected, fine Christian man who totally understands why this book should be published," the book's agent, Sharlene Martin told PW. "Obviously, I wanted to find a publisher who could react quickly to the situation and the beauty of a publisher like Beaufort is that the buck stops with Eric Kampmann." Ooh, maverick Christian bookselling – just what this whole murderous drama needed.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/08/christian_bookseller_takes_up.html

[martin II]

O.J.'s Book Set to Drag Us Through the Whole Mess Again, Again


In a discomfiting turn of events, the family of murder victim Ron Goldman has decided to publish O.J. Simpson's book If I Did It, the fictionalized tell-all from Simpson's perspective about what happened the night Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson were killed. We've been waiting all day to hear which New York publishing company will reap the benefits, but thus far, no announcement. Last month, the Goldmans were awarded the rights to the book by a federal judge, since they are owed $33.5 million in damages by the former football star. It will be published with "commentary" from the family. The book's agent is Sharlene Martin, who made a name for herself by repping celebrity tell-alls like You'll Never Nanny in This Town Again (by Michael Ovtiz's angry former nanny) and the unsold This Used to Be My Playground (by Madonna's angry former nanny). Whatever publishing house prints the book should hire Martin, because she understood what Judith Regan never did: You can't write books about killing people unless the surviving families get in on the deal. Duh

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/08/ojs_book_set_to_drag_us_throug.html

[martin II]

jotun

seems like Eric Kampmann will have to put up his money to print distribute and sell this book. hhhmmmmm
This is a long way from Harper collins.
D Brwon may be able to close this little shop down.imo

wonder why the regular well known publishing house refused it.

martin II

[weezer]

jotun

seems like Eric Kampmann will have to put up his money to print distribute and sell this book. hhhmmmmm
This is a long way from Harper collins.
D Brwon may be able to close this little shop down.imo

wonder why the regular well known publishing house refused it.

martin II

you crack me up! it was fine for orenthal and arnelle to make money off of it but not the victim's family? LOL

[martin II]

you crack me up! it was fine for orenthal and arnelle to make money off of it but not the victim's family? LOL

Have you forgotton that it was fred that called the book garbage and should not be published see link of Demise making comments about fred.

i don't believe the book should have been writtren in the first place. since it
was i see no reason why oj simpsons rights should not have been protected by the courts.

since the courts decided to take his rights away and GAVE them to fred i believe the estate of Niciole should have received a equal share not this 90% to gold man and 10% to be split between nicoles estate and 4-5 other creditors. It will never work.

If Denise wants to stop the book ok as it is set up the estate of nicole gets very little money.

ps The court just GAVE the the rights to freed FREE.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

you crack me up! it was fine for orenthal and arnelle to make money off of it but not the victim's family? LOL

weezer
why do you believe the major publishing houses refused to publish the book?

martinII

[martin II]

jotun

eric kampmann interview.
if i did it book.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6468998.html

[martin II]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=192a6bf6-bc74-4569-a6b8-ec10b1e4999d&p=Source_Today%20Show&t=m5&rf=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20275763/&fg=

D Brown

[weezer]

weezer
why do you believe the major publishing houses refused to publish the book?

martinII

I don't have a clue but I also don't care. I was satisfied when orenthal and arnelle were stopped from making money off of murdering Nicole and Ron. The rest makes me no difference. imo

[martin II]

I don't have a clue but I also don't care. I was satisfied when orenthal and arnelle were stopped from making money off of murdering Nicole and Ron. The rest makes me no difference. imo

oj made $1,000,000 and forgot about the rest.

martin II

[martin II]

I don't have a clue but I also don't care. I was satisfied when orenthal and arnelle were stopped from making money off of murdering Nicole and Ron. The rest makes me no difference. imo


I understand as Denise may cause a lot of people to jump ship.

"it ain't over till it's over"
Yogi B
martin II

[weezer]

I understand as Denise may cause a lot of people to jump ship.

"it ain't over till it's over"
Yogi B
martin II

oh -- don't get me wrong. Although I can appreciate what the Browns have gone through, I also appreciate and respect what the Goldmans have endured. I have every intention of buying the book that Mr. Goldman puts out.

[weezer]

oj made $1,000,000 and forgot about the rest.

martin II

LOL -- orenthal won't ever forget out the 'rest' -- his whole life has been about 'things', money and status. Maybe the book will allow Nicole's children some independence. orenthal will have to figure out a different way to support arnelle. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*
"it ain't over till it's over"
Yogi B
martin II

"Yogi B"? Are you quoting Yogi Berra or Yogi Bear? :tongue:

[weezer]

"Yogi B"? Are you quoting Yogi Berra or Yogi Bear? :tongue:

LOL -- thanks for the giggle!

[martin II]

LOL -- thanks for the giggle!

informed people know the source of the quote without the name being atatched. But them some may attribute the quote to their dog and believe it.
imo

martin II

[martin II]

LOL -- orenthal won't ever forget out the 'rest' -- his whole life has been about 'things', money and status. Maybe the book will allow Nicole's children some independence. orenthal will have to figure out a different way to support arnelle. imo

weezer
with Fred set to get 90% and nicoles estate set to share some part of 10%
i think the kids will be able to get enough to buy a few tee shirts if the book is published and sold.imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
with Fred set to get 90% and nicoles estate set to share some part of 10%
i think the kids will be able to get enough to buy a few tee shirts if the book is published and sold.imo
martin II

That would be more than there daddy got for them! But if, as you seem to think, the book does not sell, and since Mr. Goldman dropped to the back of the line of creditors, then the kids should get whatever money there is. imo

[martin II]

It's too soon to know how readily available the book will be. Spokeswomen for Barnes & Noble and Borders Group both said no decision on whether the retailers will carry the book has been made yet. "The publisher has not presented the title yet, so at this point we have not made any decision to buy it yet," said Borders’ Ann Binkley. A similar comment came from B&N’s Mary Ellen Keating who noted that B&N "has not been approached by the publisher," adding that "at this point no decision" has been made about the book.
Early reaction from independents was split, though even those who say they will carry the book expressed little enthusiasm for it. McKenna Jordan, manager and book buyer at Murder by the Book in Houston, said the store will not carry the title. "To be blunt, it's tacky. I’m not a fan of censorship, but I know that customers would not appreciate seeing it in the store and would be offended," said Jordan. Steve Bercu, owner of Book People in Austin, said he will carry it. "I loathe the idea of censoring any book based on my personal feelings and the public will decide very quickly whether they're interested in it or not."

Darielle Linehan, owner Ivy Bookshop in Baltimore noted that "When the book was first announced, I was torn as a bookseller: I didn’t want to censor a book but at the same time was disgusted with the whole thing. So I made an arrangement with a women’s shelter to forward the profits to them. I don’t have any change of heart concerning the book now that the Goldman family is behind it. It's just unfortunate that anyone is making money off this. It will have a prurient interest that people may want to read for the morbid details. I think the media will scan the book and give the titillating parts of the book prior to publication, so I don’t think there will be many surprises left in the book and I predict mediocre sales."

In New England, Joseph Barber, manager of The Owl and the Turtle Bookshop, Camden, Me., said they will order it if somebody orders it. "We wouldn't put it on the shelf," he said. "There's making money, and there's making money."

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6468992.html




martin II

[weezer]

It's too soon to know how readily available the book will be. Spokeswomen for Barnes & Noble and Borders Group both said no decision on whether the retailers will carry the book has been made yet. "The publisher has not presented the title yet, so at this point we have not made any decision to buy it yet," said Borders’ Ann Binkley. A similar comment came from B&N’s Mary Ellen Keating who noted that B&N "has not been approached by the publisher," adding that "at this point no decision" has been made about the book.
Early reaction from independents was split, though even those who say they will carry the book expressed little enthusiasm for it. McKenna Jordan, manager and book buyer at Murder by the Book in Houston, said the store will not carry the title. "To be blunt, it's tacky. I’m not a fan of censorship, but I know that customers would not appreciate seeing it in the store and would be offended," said Jordan. Steve Bercu, owner of Book People in Austin, said he will carry it. "I loathe the idea of censoring any book based on my personal feelings and the public will decide very quickly whether they're interested in it or not."

Darielle Linehan, owner Ivy Bookshop in Baltimore noted that "When the book was first announced, I was torn as a bookseller: I didn’t want to censor a book but at the same time was disgusted with the whole thing. So I made an arrangement with a women’s shelter to forward the profits to them. I don’t have any change of heart concerning the book now that the Goldman family is behind it. It's just unfortunate that anyone is making money off this. It will have a prurient interest that people may want to read for the morbid details. I think the media will scan the book and give the titillating parts of the book prior to publication, so I don’t think there will be many surprises left in the book and I predict mediocre sales."

In New England, Joseph Barber, manager of The Owl and the Turtle Bookshop, Camden, Me., said they will order it if somebody orders it. "We wouldn't put it on the shelf," he said. "There's making money, and there's making money."

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6468992.html




martin II

so I guess we can conclude that the touting of it being so high on the lists when orenthal had his bloody hands around it was wrong. Weren't you one of the posters that said it was going to be a best seller? imo

[martin II]

so I guess we can conclude that the touting of it being so high on the lists when orenthal had his bloody hands around it was wrong. Weren't you one of the posters that said it was going to be a best seller? imo

i think with Harper collins publishing the book when it was initially announced,
the book had a good/great chance of selling well. The court battles, goldmans talk about changing the contents, the possibility of a appeal, the fact that some now see that fred was able to prevent nicoles estate from getting a fair share has possibly caused interest in the book to be deminished
quite a bit. Not to mention what Denise Brown plans to do and the fact that the book is available on the internet at some sites FREE.

martin II

[weezer]

i think with Harper collins publishing the book when it was initially announced,
the book had a good/great chance of selling well. The court battles, goldmans talk about changing the contents, the possibility of a appeal, the fact that some now see that fred was able to prevent nicoles estate from getting a fair share has possibly caused interest in the book to be deminished
quite a bit. Not to mention what Denise Brown plans to do and the fact that the book is available on the internet at some sites FREE.

martin II

oh my -- Mr. Goldman hasn't prevented Nicole's estate from getting a share of the proceeds. IIRC, the Browns came into the lawsuit late. I think it is very gracious of Mr. Goldman to put their claim in front of his own.

I am sorry to see Denise taking the stand she is -- maybe she doesn't understand the court order?

imo

[martin II]

oh my -- Mr. Goldman hasn't prevented Nicole's estate from getting a share of the proceeds. IIRC, the Browns came into the lawsuit late. I think it is very gracious of Mr. Goldman to put their claim in front of his own.

I am sorry to see Denise taking the stand she is -- maybe she doesn't understand the court order?

imo

It may be that you don't understand the court order.

martin II

[weezer]

It may be that you don't understand the court order.

martin II

hmmm -- maybe not. would you mind explaining it to me?

[martin II]

hmmm -- maybe not. would you mind explaining it to me?

the judge has not posted his decision on the court site as yet so it is difficult to know what is suppose to happen but from the cnn article some big quesitons remain.


1. nicoles estate is owed $24,000,000 and is a creditor along with 3-4 others.
2. article says they will be paid before fred.(fred put his name last they say.)

quesiton:
Does nicoles estate get $24,000,000 first or does it get a equal share of whatever the 10% turns out to be when split with the other 3-4 creditors.


If the publisher pays $1,000,000 for the rights, nicoles creditor group (10%)
would get about $20,000.00 split 5 equal ways.

you agree?

martin II

[weezer]

the judge has not posted his decision on the court site as yet so it is difficult to know what is suppose to happen but from the cnn article some big quesitons remain.


1. nicoles estate is owed $24,000,000 and is a creditor along with 3-4 others.
2. article says they will be paid before fred.(fred put his name last they say.)

quesiton:
Does nicoles estate get $24,000,000 first or does it get a equal share of whatever the 10% turns out to be when split with the other 3-4 creditors.


If the publisher pays $1,000,000 for the rights, nicoles creditor group (10%)
would get about $20,000.00 split 5 equal ways.

you agree?

martin II

no, I don't agree. The creditors are usually paid a percentage based on a number of issues: the amount they are owed, when they filed, etc. At any rate, it would not be an equal split unless you are saying orenthal owes 5 creditors $24m and all 5 filed a claim on the same day. imo

but the money part is not what I meant about 'not understanding' -- My understanding of the ruling is that the Goldmans won the rights to the book as long as they were aggressive in pursuing it being published. My understanding is that the judge gave them a specific amount of time (18 months) to show that they were in fact aggressively working to publish the book. My understanding is that if the Goldmans did not follow the ruling, the rights would revert back to LBA. So, had Mr. Goldman NOT gone after the rights and brought this to light, then orenthal and his co-conspirator would have made even more money off of the book and interviews than he did. imo

[martin II]

no, I don't agree. The creditors are usually paid a percentage based on a number of issues: the amount they are owed, when they filed, etc. At any rate, it would not be an equal split unless you are saying orenthal owes 5 creditors $24m and all 5 filed a claim on the same day. imo

but the money part is not what I meant about 'not understanding' -- My understanding of the ruling is that the Goldmans won the rights to the book as long as they were aggressive in pursuing it being published. My understanding is that the judge gave them a specific amount of time (18 months) to show that they were in fact aggressively working to publish the book. My understanding is that if the Goldmans did not follow the ruling, the rights would revert back to LBA. So, had Mr. Goldman NOT gone after the rights and brought this to light, then orenthal and his co-conspirator would have made even more money off of the book and interviews than he did. imo


did the creditors file a claim or did lba file bankruptcy and gave the court a list of the creditors and the amout owed each and the court notified the creditors.

Fred "brought this to light" long before LBA filed for bankruptcy as he faught the estate in ca before lba filed bankruptcy.

Fred has a publisher that was suppose to purchase the rights to publish. i guess he paid for these rights. so is this money in the hands of the court trustee for payment to the creditors?
the estate is owed $24,000,000. the others less than $350,000. So what part of the 10% will the estate get if the publisher paid $1,000,000 ot $2,000,000

we know fred will get 90%

martinii


for the rights.

[martin II]

ps
the goldmans have a publisher now. so the 18 months issue is mute if they did in fact select the right publisher.

imo
martin II

[Heyes]

Arnelle probably wouldn't be able to follow any intelligent questions anyway :D

LOL have you read that girls testimony? Woooooo! She's either a complete idiot or she 100% involved and aware of daddy's scams and is willing to help in anyway she can. IMO

[weezer]

did the creditors file a claim or did lba file bankruptcy and gave the court a list of the creditors and the amout owed each and the court notified the creditors.

Fred "brought this to light" long before LBA filed for bankruptcy as he faught the estate in ca before lba filed bankruptcy.

Fred has a publisher that was suppose to purchase the rights to publish. i guess he paid for these rights. so is this money in the hands of the court trustee for payment to the creditors?
the estate is owed $24,000,000. the others less than $350,000. So what part of the 10% will the estate get if the publisher paid $1,000,000 ot $2,000,000

we know fred will get 90%

martinii


for the rights.

look -- here's the bottom line: orenthal received almost $1m for writing his confession. He said he paid bills and stuff. He didn't say he put some up for his kids future or anything else. So I guess anything is better than the nothing they got when daddy and sister were cashing checks. Don't you think? imo

Had Nicole's Estate pursued and filed to stop the publishing of the book initially to thwart orenthal and arnelle making money off of orenthal murdering Nicole and Ron, then they would have been in position to receive the lion's share. They did not. Mr. Goldman has spent the years since orenthal murdered Ron pursuing justice. I don't think there is anything incumbent on him to include the Estate. imo

[weezer]

ps
the goldmans have a publisher now. so the 18 months issue is mute if they did in fact select the right publisher.

imo
martin II

you still don't get it do you? it doesn't matter -- Mr. Goldman told us the money doesn't matter when he dropped to the bottom of the list of creditors. What does matter is that orenthal and arnelle WON'T be getting anymore money off of orenthal confessing to butchering Nicole and Ron. imo

[weezer]

LOL have you read that girls testimony? Woooooo! She's either a complete idiot or she 100% involved and aware of daddy's scams and is willing to help in anyway she can. IMO

I initially thought she was an unknowing participant in the murders until I actually listed her contributions and how many times her name came up in the abuse situations and orenthal's June 13th LE interview. After that, every picture and every quote of her turns my stomach. Not only do I believe she is 100% involved, I think she is a sociopath for approaching Nicole's children with the idea of orenthal's murder confession. imo

[martin II]

no, I don't agree. The creditors are usually paid a percentage based on a number of issues: the amount they are owed, when they filed, etc. At any rate, it would not be an equal split unless you are saying orenthal owes 5 creditors $24m and all 5 filed a claim on the same day. imo

but the money part is not what I meant about 'not understanding' -- My understanding of the ruling is that the Goldmans won the rights to the book as long as they were aggressive in pursuing it being published. My understanding is that the judge gave them a specific amount of time (18 months) to show that they were in fact aggressively working to publish the book. My understanding is that if the Goldmans did not follow the ruling, the rights would revert back to LBA. So, had Mr. Goldman NOT gone after the rights and brought this to light, then orenthal and his co-conspirator would have made even more money off of the book and interviews than he did. imo


weezer
did fred purchase the rights from the trustee or did the judge just give fred the rights free of charge?

martin II

[martin II]

you still don't get it do you? it doesn't matter -- Mr. Goldman told us the money doesn't matter when he dropped to the bottom of the list of creditors. What does matter is that orenthal and arnelle WON'T be getting anymore money off of orenthal confessing to butchering Nicole and Ron. imo

you musrt be kidding if you say it is not about the money for fred.
He put his name at the bottom he says because otherwise the judge would have given nicoles estate a larger share.

Now if it is not about the money fred wants to make off of the book,He can just give the estate the 90% and he can take zero.haha. he can just take the title the judge gave him and put a match to it. Denise will be pleased.
But he is working like a bee to get this book sold so he can possibly get a fat check made out to fred goldman.you cannot possibly be that nieve.
martin II

[martin II]

I initially thought she was an unknowing participant in the murders until I actually listed her contributions and how many times her name came up in the abuse situations and orenthal's June 13th LE interview. After that, every picture and every quote of her turns my stomach. Not only do I believe she is 100% involved, I think she is a sociopath for approaching Nicole's children with the idea of orenthal's murder confession. imo

That sounds like jealously and hatred to me.imo
martin II

[weezer]

you musrt be kidding if you say it is not about the money for fred.
He put his name at the bottom he says because otherwise the judge would have given nicoles estate a larger share.

Now if it is not about the money fred wants to make off of the book,He can just give the estate the 90% and he can take zero.haha. he can just take the title the judge gave him and put a match to it. Denise will be pleased.
But he is working like a bee to get this book sold so he can possibly get a fat check made out to fred goldman.you cannot possibly be that nieve.
martin II

you really are not very knowledgeable about this stuff are you? imo

[martin II]

look -- here's the bottom line: orenthal received almost $1m for writing his confession. He said he paid bills and stuff. He didn't say he put some up for his kids future or anything else. So I guess anything is better than the nothing they got when daddy and sister were cashing checks. Don't you think? imo

Had Nicole's Estate pursued and filed to stop the publishing of the book initially to thwart orenthal and arnelle making money off of orenthal murdering Nicole and Ron, then they would have been in position to receive the lion's share. They did not. Mr. Goldman has spent the years since orenthal murdered Ron pursuing justice. I don't think there is anything incumbent on him to include the Estate. imo

i see you have tried to change the subject.

no one knows what was done with the money so you should stop attempting to pretend you do.


whether the estate tried to get money initially does not deminish the fact that Nicole was killed just like ron.
ron was no more valued than nicole if that is what you are trying to say.
50% for fred 50% for the estate.
thats fair.

martin II

[martin II]

you really are not very knowledgeable about this stuff are you? imo

without answere you are the one that changed the subject. i am open to discussing it.

Did fred pay for the rights or did the judge give it to him free?

Did the publisher pay fred for the rights, if so, how much? or did he get it on some kind of credit?

martin II

[weezer]

i see you have tried to change the subject.

no one knows what was done with the money so you should stop attempting to pretend you do.


whether the estate tried to get money initially does not deminish the fact that Nicole was killed just like ron.
ron was no more valued than nicole if that is what you are trying to say.
50% for fred 50% for the estate.
thats fair.

martin II

you are looking for an argument where there is not one. orenthal told us what he did with the money -- he said he paid bills and taxes and stuff.

it does matter whether or not the estate tried to get money initially. the Estate should thank Mr. Goldman for stopping orenthal and arnelle from making any more money than they did off of the book. If the Estate is interested in justice for Nicole, then maybe they should not wait for the groundwork to be done by someone else but get out there and do their own? Not a criticism of the Browns but a reality check.

it is not a matter of who was more important. orenthal had no right to murder either one -- both were valued. What was not fair was orenthal james simpson murdering two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

imo

[weezer]

without answere you are the one that changed the subject. i am open to discussing it.

Did fred pay for the rights or did the judge give it to him free?

Did the publisher pay fred for the rights, if so, how much? or did he get it on some kind of credit?

martin II

WTH -- how about you tell me the answers to all your questions. And, what difference do they make? Dude, you need to take a deep breath. imo

[martin II]

you are looking for an argument where there is not one. orenthal told us what he did with the money -- he said he paid bills and taxes and stuff.

it does matter whether or not the estate tried to get money initially. the Estate should thank Mr. Goldman for stopping orenthal and arnelle from making any more money than they did off of the book. If the Estate is interested in justice for Nicole, then maybe they should not wait for the groundwork to be done by someone else but get out there and do their own? Not a criticism of the Browns but a reality check.

it is not a matter of who was more important. orenthal had no right to murder either one -- both were valued. What was not fair was orenthal james simpson murdering two human beings: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

imo


since continue to change the subject to arnell and oj i assume you have no answers.

what is not fair is fred trying to walk off with 90% and giving the estate 10% to share. what is false is for you to continuning to say fred does not care about the money.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

WTH -- how about you tell me the answers to all your questions. And, what difference do they make? Dude, you need to take a deep breath. imo

it does not work that way. any way ,you just told me that i didn't know very much about these issues. That sounded like you were saying you did. haha

imo
martin II

[martin II]

oj does not have the title to the book, actually he never did have it.
Fred has it now. so if he does care about the money will he do what denise is asking and stop the book for good? this way he could prove your point.otherwise he is after the money.imo
martin II

[weezer]

oj does not have the title to the book, actually he never did have it.
Fred has it now. so if he does care about the money will he do what denise is asking and stop the book for good? this way he could prove your point.otherwise he is after the money.imo
martin II

obviously the judge did not agree with you since he ruled that LBA was a sham company set up to funnel money from the book to orenthal.

what part of the ruling regarding the book having to be merchandised to satisfy creditors do you not understand? Geez Louise!

imo

[weezer]

*Snipped* . . . you musrt be kidding if you say it is not about the money for fred.
He put his name at the bottom he says because otherwise the judge would have given nicoles estate a larger share.


how about you back this up with a link?

[martin II]

how about you back this up with a link?

The judges decision has not been posted on the court web site so i do not know how or why the judge made the decision that it reported he made.

At first the judge planned to give fred all the money. The browns then came into the picture and the judge changed his mind saying he wanted to consider the new situations. After this consideration fred decided to drop his name to the bottom of the list.

It is my opinion that he made that consession to be able to get the 90% he is suppose to get. all my opinion.

I hope you have agreed that fred has been in court for trhe last several months working towards getting the money.
martin II

[martin II]

obviously the judge did not agree with you since he ruled that LBA was a sham company set up to funnel money from the book to orenthal.

what part of the ruling regarding the book having to be merchandised to satisfy creditors do you not understand? Geez Louise!

imo

the judge decided that lba was a sham company simply because lba paid oj for his services. A questionable decision if you ask me.

This decison was necessary if the judge was to give fred the title because fred was not a creditor of lba.

So the judge kinda ruled that it was oj that owned lba and therefore he could
say it was actually oj that had the rights and he just gave fred "oj's rights to the book".

Normally the trustees is responsible for selling the rights in a bankruptcy liquidation but in this case the judge constructed a special deal that took the rights from oj without giving oj credit on the judgement when the rights were taken.

now it appears that fred has given this publisher the rights to publish the book
which the publisher did not pay for yet.

So it appears that the judge has ruled that the rights could be passed along to be sold at retail without any money having changed hands and that in the end if money is made from the sale of the book at retail , whenever that is,all creditors will get 10% to share and fred will get 90%

sounds like a strange bankruptcy liquidation but it is what the judge rulled.

if someone appeals and or if denise is successful in getting people not to buy the book them the deal may be dead.

If that happens maby the rights will go back to lba as you have suggested.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

The judges decision has not been posted on the court web site so i do not know how or why the judge made the decision that it reported he made.

At first the judge planned to give fred all the money. The browns then came into the picture and the judge changed his mind saying he wanted to consider the new situations. After this consideration fred decided to drop his name to the bottom of the list.

It is my opinion that he made that consession to be able to get the 90% he is suppose to get. all my opinion.

I hope you have agreed that fred has been in court for trhe last several months working towards getting the money.
martin II

you didn't say it was your opinion -- you stated as fact -- "He put his name at the bottom he says because otherwise the judge would have given nicoles estate a larger share." It is my opinion that he dropped his name to the bottom of the creditors list because it is not about him getting money. Since you stated it as fact, you need to provide a link. imo

[martin II]

you didn't say it was your opinion -- you stated as fact -- "He put his name at the bottom he says because otherwise the judge would have given nicoles estate a larger share." It is my opinion that he dropped his name to the bottom of the creditors list because it is not about him getting money. Since you stated it as fact, you need to provide a link. imo

if my post did not state that it was my opinion then i made a mistake by not including it in the post.

martin II

[Heyes]

since continue to change the subject to arnell and oj i assume you have no answers.

what is not fair is fred trying to walk off with 90% and giving the estate 10% to share. what is false is for you to continuning to say fred does not care about the money.

imo
martin II


All I can say is, if Fred receiving the "lions share" of the money upsets oj's fans this much, just think of how angered oj must be......Fred won!
Goooooooo Fred!

[martin II]

However, there is at least one person in this story who seems to show even fleeting moments of normality - Denise Brown, the sister of OJ Simpson's murdered ex-wife Nicole. She thinks that the sale of If I Did It, Here's How It Happened by anyone is a little bit on the tasteless side and wants the public to boycott it. Femalefirst reports:

Nicole Brown Simpson's sister is calling for a boycott of O.J. Simpson's hypothetical book of the murder of his ex-wife and her friend Ronald Goldman… Denise says she is disgusted that her sister's children Sydney and Justin "will have to be subjected to this step by step manual on how their mother and her friend Ron were murdered". But Beaufort president Eric Kampmann hopes the book will be a tribute to the lives of Goldman and Brown Simpson. He explains, "We will be working diligently to not only publish this book well, but to honour the memory of the victims of this terrible crime: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson".

The rest of Kampmann's quote was inaudible because he bellyflopped into a swimming pool full of money and started doing the backstroke in it like Scrooge McDuck while the Goldman family danced the Conga wearing suits made of diamonds in the background.

http://www.hecklerspray.com/oj-simpsons-murder-book-in-possibly-a-bit-tasteless-shock/20069688.php

[martin II]

Greg K. Hafif, the lawyer for Nicole Brown’s estate, said he sought a share of the profits only after failing to stop publication.

“It’s not in the best interest of the children that his book is published,” he said. “They’ll have to answer questions about it for the next two years.”

Much of the reaction in the publishing world has been equally negative.

“I think it’s got about as much commercial appeal as Osama bin Laden’s love sonnets,” said Jonathan Karp, the publisher and editor and chief of Twelve, a small imprint at Warner Books. “I think it’s a terrible idea for a book, and I don’t know why anybody would either want to publish it or read it.”

Sara Nelson, the editor in chief of Publishers Weekly, said she could understand trying to get some restitution — “that’s the American way,” she said. But she said she objected to doing it “by giving voice to this guy and publishing this manuscript that dramatizes and sensationalizes the murder of their kid.”

Ms. Martin concedes that the Simpson book is an “anomaly” in publishing, but she said the American reading public may embrace it rather than shun it this time. But even if it flops, she said, by having Mr. Simpson so chillingly revisit the murders, “at the very least, maybe those who believed in his innocence might be convinced that they were wrong.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/fashion/19simpson.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=fashion&oref=slogin

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .“It’s not in the best interest of the children that his book is published,” he said. “They’ll have to answer questions about it for the next two years.”

I don't know -- this sounds a bit insincere or at least has a bit of a hollow ring to it. After all, they did agree to let daddy and step-sis write and publish the confession to start with. I guess that's one of the reasons that I don't understand the attacks on the Goldmans for fighting to take it away from orenthal and his co-conspirator. imo

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .The rest of Kampmann's quote was inaudible because he bellyflopped into a swimming pool full of money and started doing the backstroke in it like Scrooge McDuck while the Goldman family danced the Conga wearing suits made of diamonds in the background.

martin, martin, martin -- you never fail to come through -- always on the ready to attack and bash the victims and families. imo

[martin II]

martin, martin, martin -- you never fail to come through -- always on the ready to attack and bash the victims and families. imo


WEEZER
Contrary to what you may think, not everyone thinks as you would like them to. I have posted articles found on web sites relative to freds publisher.
Like it or not it exist.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

I don't know -- this sounds a bit insincere or at least has a bit of a hollow ring to it. After all, they did agree to let daddy and step-sis write and publish the confession to start with. I guess that's one of the reasons that I don't understand the attacks on the Goldmans for fighting to take it away from orenthal and his co-conspirator. imo

weezer
Your efforts to try to hide your hate/anger at nicoles children is being uncovered with every post you make. imo

you make so many mean spirited comments about someone in oj simpsons family at almost every turn.Now it is nicoles children.imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
Your efforts to try to hide your hate/anger at nicoles children is being uncovered with every post you make. imo

you make so many mean spirited comments about someone in oj simpsons family at almost every turn.Now it is nicoles children.imo
martin II

now you're just being silly. I absolutely have no hate or anger toward Nicole's children. I feel much sorrow for what they've gone through and continue to have to live with. I have believed it a terrible thing that there have been orenthal apologists that have tried to implicate Jason in the crime when all of the evidence is that he loved Nicole and was devastated when orenthal murdered her and could not have been the murderer. imo

now, arnelle, on the other hand. . . . .

[martin II]

now you're just being silly. I absolutely have no hate or anger toward Nicole's children. I feel much sorrow for what they've gone through and continue to have to live with. I have believed it a terrible thing that there have been orenthal apologists that have tried to implicate Jason in the crime when all of the evidence is that he loved Nicole and was devastated when orenthal murdered her and could not have been the murderer. imo

now, arnelle, on the other hand. . . . .

i am speaking about justin and sydney that you say agreed to let sis bla bla bla bla.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

i am speaking about justin and sydney that you say agreed to let sis bla bla bla bla.

imo
martin II

I was responding to your original post:

"...Greg K. Hafif, the lawyer for Nicole Brown’s estate, said he sought a share of the profits only after failing to stop publication.

“It’s not in the best interest of the children that his book is published,” he said. “They’ll have to answer questions about it for the next two years.”

[martin II]

I was responding to your original post:

"...Greg K. Hafif, the lawyer for Nicole Brown’s estate, said he sought a share of the profits only after failing to stop publication.

“It’s not in the best interest of the children that his book is published,” he said. “They’ll have to answer questions about it for the next two years.”

thats justin and sydney the younger children of nicole and oj that YOU say allowed sis (arnell) to bla bla bla bla.
martin II

[weezer]

thats justin and sydney the younger children of nicole and oj that YOU say allowed sis (arnell) to bla bla bla bla.
martin II

not only did they allow -- they agreed and were partners. Now, does that mean I feel any less pity for them? No. But I believe in living in reality. Nicole's young adult children agreed to participate in daddy's and step-sis's confession book for profit. So, yes, I do believe to say that to not publish the book to protect the 'children' sounds insincere. imo

[martin II]

ALL

The petition to stop the publication of the book is here for those that are interested.

www.denisebrown.com

martin II

[martin II]

not only did they allow -- they agreed and were partners. Now, does that mean I feel any less pity for them? No. But I believe in living in reality. Nicole's young adult children agreed to participate in daddy's and step-sis's confession book for profit. So, yes, I do believe to say that to not publish the book to protect the 'children' sounds insincere. imo

you think they are asking for your pity?????
come on. get real.
imo
martin II

[sassylassy]

ALL

The petition to stop the publication of the book is here for those that are interested.

www.denisebrown.com

martin II

I checked out the site, there are some interesting comments posted!

[martin II]

weezer
being insincere is FRED GOLDMAN calling oj everything but a child of god when the book was first annouced. Telling Harper Collins not to publish this book as it was nothing but garbage trash etc I think he even said the book should never see the light of day or something close to that not sure.

but given a change by that judge to get a big check for himself he now proclaims that book should be published. he has created some new excuse to try to feed food to the nieve and uninformed imo. but he now has his lawyers working full steam to get that money from this book.
the comical part will come when fred goldman will be on tour signing OJ SIMPSONS BOOK each for $24.00. hahaha
flip flop

imo
martin II

[weezer]

you think they are asking for your pity?????
come on. get real.
imo
martin II

I never said they were 'asking' for my pity -- I said I felt pity for them.

"Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
pit·y /ˈpɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pit-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural pit·ies, verb, pit·ied, pit·y·ing.
–noun 1. sympathetic or kindly sorrow evoked by the suffering, distress, or misfortune of another, often leading one to give relief or aid or to show mercy: to feel pity for astarving child.
2. a cause or reason for pity, sorrow, or regret: What a pity you could not go!
–verb (used with object) 3. to feel pity or compassion for; be sorry for; commiserate with.
–verb (used without object) 4. to have compassion; feel pity.
—Idiom5. have or take pity. to show mercy or compassion."

do you want to tell me what's wrong with that?

[weezer]

weezer
being insincere is FRED GOLDMAN calling oj everything but a child of god when the book was first annouced. Telling Harper Collins not to publish this book as it was nothing but garbage trash etc I think he even said the book should never see the light of day or something close to that not sure.

but given a change by that judge to get a big check for himself he now proclaims that book should be published. he has created some new excuse to try to feed food to the nieve and uninformed imo. but he now has his lawyers working full steam to get that money from this book.
the comical part will come when fred goldman will be on tour signing OJ SIMPSONS BOOK each for $24.00. hahaha
flip flop

imo
martin II

Geez -- you really are worked up over this aren't you? the comical part is orenthal and his co-conspirator trying everything possible to keep the rights to the book. the comical part is orenthal keeping all of the money for himself. the comical part is the orenthal apologists twisting in the wind because the ruling went against orenthal and his co-conspirator. imo

[martin II]

I checked out the site, there are some interesting comments posted!

sassy
hi

glad to hear from you.
i checked out the site and noticed that the petition signing is growing.
I also thought the comments were interesting.

martin II

[martin II]

not only did they allow -- they agreed and were partners. Now, does that mean I feel any less pity for them? No. But I believe in living in reality. Nicole's young adult children agreed to participate in daddy's and step-sis's confession book for profit. So, yes, I do believe to say that to not publish the book to protect the 'children' sounds insincere. imo

again i never thought the book was a good idea BUT oj simpson has a right to write a book. i think him taking a fee up front for himself and leaving the title and commissions from the sale of the book for his four kids was a great idea.
So did Harper Collings and Regan books.

Fred thought the idea of the book being sold was a very bad one THEN as he was not in line for any of the money.we know he has flipped floped in a big was since them.

you seem to be mixed up a little. the comment about not publishing the book NOW was made by the estate lawyer not the kids.
The estate faught for a larger share in the title for the purpose of being in a posiiton to prevent fred from publishing the book. According to denise. When the judge decided to just give 90% of the money to fred, for some reason,
the estate was forced to take the very small share the judge left for them.

I think the other creditors should have been paid in full and the balance split 50% fred 50% the estate. Rons life was no more valuable than nicoles but fred seems to think so based on his refusal to make a equal split.

But we are a long way to any money being made on this book yet. so we will just have to wait and see if the judges decison was a wise one and if some are in fact twisting in the wind or just sitting back with a bag of hot buttered popcorn waiting. imo

martin II

[weezer]

again i never thought the book was a good idea BUT oj simpson has a right to write a book. i think him taking a fee up front for himself and leaving the title and commissions from the sale of the book for his four kids was a great idea.
So did Harper Collings and Regan books.

Fred thought the idea of the book being sold was a very bad one THEN as he was not in line for any of the money.we know he has flipped floped in a big was since them.

you seem to be mixed up a little. the comment about not publishing the book NOW was made by the estate lawyer not the kids.
The estate faught for a larger share in the title for the purpose of being in a posiiton to prevent fred from publishing the book. According to denise. When the judge decided to just give 90% of the money to fred, for some reason,
the estate was forced to take the very small share the judge left for them.

I think the other creditors should have been paid in full and the balance split 50% fred 50% the estate. Rons life was no more valuable than nicoles but fred seems to think so based on his refusal to make a equal split.

But we are a long way to any money being made on this book yet. so we will just have to wait and see if the judges decison was a wise one and if some are in fact twisting in the wind or just sitting back with a bag of hot buttered popcorn waiting. imo

martin II

you still don't get it -- imo

[jotun]

Jotun

Denise Brwons says DO NOT BUY THAT BOOK.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/08/15/simpson.book.ap/index.html


"We will be working diligently to not only publish this book well, but to honor the memory of the victims of this terrible crime: Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson," Beaufort president Eric Kampmann wrote in a statement announcing the deal.





MARTIN II

Martin--IMO

"Honor" the victims???

The book is already ghost-written.
Since they can't LEGALLY change a word.

Wonder how they will get around this:
"Nicole had been associating with hookers, DRUG-DEALERS & unsavory characters from way back."

These people she was afraid of in her letter.

Also, all these years they have been telling US that hero ron was,protecting nicole.But according to tabloid fenjves's hook chapter pages nicole was protecting ron."Screaming like a banshee" knocking herself out, even tho we all know she had defensive wounds on her hands as did ron.
Amazing huh???

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

O.J.'s Book Set to Drag Us Through the Whole Mess Again, Again


In a discomfiting turn of events, the family of murder victim Ron Goldman has decided to publish O.J. Simpson's book If I Did It, the fictionalized tell-all from Simpson's perspective about what happened the night Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson were killed. We've been waiting all day to hear which New York publishing company will reap the benefits, but thus far, no announcement. Last month, the Goldmans were awarded the rights to the book by a federal judge, since they are owed $33.5 million in damages by the former football star. It will be published with "commentary" from the family. The book's agent is Sharlene Martin, who made a name for herself by repping celebrity tell-alls like You'll Never Nanny in This Town Again (by Michael Ovtiz's angry former nanny) and the unsold This Used to Be My Playground (by Madonna's angry former nanny). Whatever publishing house prints the book should hire Martin, because she understood what Judith Regan never did: You can't write books about killing people unless the surviving families get in on the deal. Duh

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/08/ojs_book_set_to_drag_us_throug.html

Martin---IMO

Why would a O.J.BOOK need any of gold-man's "commentary". That's exactly what will keep it from selling. Hasn't every American seen him over and over and over just calling O.J. names.
Anyone who didn't get it for FREE will want O.J's story not gold-mans.

Remember gold-man had his own blood-money book called 'His Name Is Ron' for which he received a $450,000 advance and surely proceeds if any.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

seems like Eric Kampmann will have to put up his money to print distribute and sell this book. hhhmmmmm
This is a long way from Harper collins.
D Brwon may be able to close this little shop down.imo

wonder why the regular well known publishing house refused it.

martin II

Martin---IMO
Wonder IF Krampman of Beaufart Books would still want to put up his own money IF he knew the "truths" that all of US know about ron & fred.

Or IF he had a link to one of those sites with the FREE O.J.BOOK.
Maybe you could send one to him.Think all who oppose gold-man making money off the kids stolen book rights would be grateful.

Hope Denise she CAN shut this down.
10,000 copies vs 400,000 from Harper Collins.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

eric kampmann interview.
if i did it book.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6468998.html

DON'T PAY GOLDMAN

Martin---IMO
Thanks for all the links especially this one. Very interesting.
Tries to give the impression that O.J. knows nothing of this, instead of talking with the tabloid ghostwriter and approving every chapter.Krampman read it so he knows. Well so do all of US, as we have read it also, along with alot of the world. Now the goldman's want him to convict himself of this crime.He was aquitted, so there is no crime of O.J.He has said many times he had no imput of that chapter except for editing out alot. Most of those 'hook' pages make no sence,like it was written by a tabloid writer. Oh excuse me. IT WAS. Even Kim called it 'baloney' when LK read excerts to her.And NOW when goldman gets the proceeds instead of the kids all of US get to decide for ourselves.Earth to Beaufart.WE HAVE.This will be 11 months too late.gold-man deprived US.He couldn't get money from O.J.but thinks we will now reward him with ours. And the best, won't have emphasis on him. HUH. No photo of O.J.'s gorgeous face. A famous writer. Do we smell Dominick Dung??

So gold-man NOW wants US to hear the voice of O.J.and hear him condemn himself.Then wonder why they were so upset when it got "LEAKED" and even blamed O.J.His attorney Battista" I can't tell you how DISTRAUGHT the gold-mans are to hear that this book hit the internet for FREE!!
And his attorney Polock "that the publication DESTROYS the books potential value & came just days away from a legal settlement which would have given the goldmans the right to sell the book to a publisher "There is only 1 person who could have been behind this-and that's O.J.SIMPSON".


IMO

jotun

[jotun]

LOL -- orenthal won't ever forget out the 'rest' -- his whole life has been about 'things', money and status. Maybe the book will allow Nicole's children some independence. orenthal will have to figure out a different way to support arnelle. imo

ALL---IMO
Sydney & Justin do have their own money from nicole's estate.
Sure won't see any independence from gold-man's fraction of 10% pittance.

Arnelle supports herself with the job O.J. obtained for her years ago..
When O.J.was on the hip-hop radio in town he said Arnelle had her own business.Last I heard she was still dressing the stars.
One of her clients is P.Diddy.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

That would be more than there daddy got for them! But if, as you seem to think, the book does not sell, and since Mr. Goldman dropped to the back of the line of creditors, then the kids should get whatever money there is. imo

ALL---Martin---IMO

Daddy got the kids most of the proceeds 1/4 each or as he said"Alot of money as we knew the book would sell."

I believes it when I sees it. lol

How about all these lawyers thru the years. PetroseLLi's firm spent 6-7 million dollars and only got the proceeds from O.J.'s yard sale.They were working on a contingency fee of 33/1/3%.
The 4 lawyers on this book money deal, must be entittled to a good share also. gold-man could end up with little of what he rakes in on his O.J.BOOK.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

i think with Harper collins publishing the book when it was initially announced,
the book had a good/great chance of selling well. The court battles, goldmans talk about changing the contents, the possibility of a appeal, the fact that some now see that fred was able to prevent nicoles estate from getting a fair share has possibly caused interest in the book to be deminished
quite a bit. Not to mention what Denise Brown plans to do and the fact that the book is available on the internet at some sites FREE.

martin II

Martin---IMO
I agree totally.
'IF I DID IT 'would have been a best-seller. They first made THEM mad then US.Why buy a book that is availible for FREE.
# 1 on the FREE BOOK LIST...

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
PetroseLLi's firm spent 6-7 million dollars and only got the proceeds from O.J.'s yard sale.They were working on a contingency fee of 33/1/3%.


Thank God there are moral men, willing to do the right thing, regardless of the monetary cost & personal sacrifice. I salute Petrocelli for his noble efforts.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
'IF I DID IT 'would have been a best-seller.

If the public thwarted the publication, what makes you think they would buy his book & make it a best seller? As I recall, his "I want to tell you" didn't do so well & it wasn't nearly as offensive.

[jotun]

did the creditors file a claim or did lba file bankruptcy and gave the court a list of the creditors and the amout owed each and the court notified the creditors.

Fred "brought this to light" long before LBA filed for bankruptcy as he faught the estate in ca before lba filed bankruptcy.

Fred has a publisher that was suppose to purchase the rights to publish. i guess he paid for these rights. so is this money in the hands of the court trustee for payment to the creditors?
the estate is owed $24,000,000. the others less than $350,000. So what part of the 10% will the estate get if the publisher paid $1,000,000 ot $2,000,000

we know fred will get 90%

martinii


for the rights.

Martin---IMO
There doesn't seem to be any LBA creditors only O.J. creditors who all filed by june 23.

Do the kids get the book rights back after it is published as they did with Harper Collins???

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

weezer
being insincere is FRED GOLDMAN calling oj everything but a child of god when the book was first annouced. Telling Harper Collins not to publish this book as it was nothing but garbage trash etc I think he even said the book should never see the light of day or something close to that not sure.

but given a change by that judge to get a big check for himself he now proclaims that book should be published. he has created some new excuse to try to feed food to the nieve and uninformed imo. but he now has his lawyers working full steam to get that money from this book.
the comical part will come when fred goldman will be on tour signing OJ SIMPSONS BOOK each for $24.00. hahaha
flip flop

imo
martin II

martin ---IMO
On www.denisebrown.com the press release section,she has the things gold-man has said about the book.

Not so comical.Read that gold-man will not grant any more interviews until the book comes out.Then he will sell it to the public.

Maybe gold-man can get a ny Judge Burg to 'ORDER' O.J.TO GO ON TOUR TO PROMOTE AND SIGN THE BOOK WITH HIM.

IMO

jotun