OJ's new Book

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I somewhat agree. But, Nicole did not deserve to die because she changed her mind in the end. She knew it would never work because OJ did not change his ways. She thought he had but he hadn't. That didn't stop her from loving him though. He told several people that she was driving him crazy. From several accounts OJ was talking about it constantly. I think that OJ thought she'd come around again until he went to the recital. He had already pushed her too far with the legal doc explaining his intent to turn her in if she didn't change her address. She was done. No turning back. He got the hint but he didn't like it. If he thought they were "done", he would have brought Paula. But, he didn't.

Personally, I think the ups and downs and back and forths got to him. Put in a little marijuana with paranoia and I just think he lost it. He couldn't do it any more.

His accounts (the other chapters) in the book amount to nothing. He's a liar. The chapter where he talks about the murders was purposely distorted by him imo. I believe he PURPOSELY put in false accounts so that he'd be able to say...see! It wasn't me. If the writer was the only one who wrote it I believe he would have went with the evidence. He wouldn't purposely put in false information. I think most of it is true..... to the best that OJ remembers.

tazzy hi
I think you put too much cause on Marijuana.
I don't see how Nicole was trashed in the book. Her trying to get back is supporeted by her letter to him requesting same. I think she would have tried to block Paula from having a good relationship with oj. She is quoted as saying she could get him back when ever she wanted to.(cora) I think. This is kinda supported by her interjecting herself in the christmas activities in NEW YORK at the last minute and other times.
I mean she should never have been killed by whoever did do it. but Nicole was not some squeeky clean no blimishes little 100% innocent lady that was never in the wrong or never caused a problem.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi
oj was flying back and forth to New york, FLORIDA MEXICO CHICAGO doing business with all these companies, answering Nicoles call to vacation with him and the children and making all kinds of money for them and you suggest that he was smoking so much weed during that year that he does not know what had gone on for that year. i don't think so.
His account of Nicole trying to get back to rockingham is supported by testimony of some of his/her friends CORA, FAYE ETC
At the divoice Nicole should have taken the money she received and removed herself from the relationship and oj should done the same. She was seeing many men and Oj was seeing Paula.
Yet they kept TIPPING BACK.

MARTIN ii

martin II

Nicole removed herself from the relationship -- obviously orenthal was not able to do the same; i.e., stalking, whining to friends, etc.

You crack me up! Are you now saying you are willing to accept what Cora and Faye have stated as fact?

[martin II]

the person who arnelle said came to her with the idea was a friend of orenthal and if I was a betting person, I'd bet the plan was between orenthal and the friend. I believe orenthal played off of arnelle's greed and the very, very strange relationship between daddy and daughter.

orenthal signed the contract that it was his story -- there is nothing that says the confession chapter was anyone else's -- only orenthal telling about murdering two human beings: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.

I find it strange and bewildering that you are willing and eager to take the parts of the book that support orenthal (even in the chapter you believe was written by someone else) but discount and claim as nonsense the parts that orenthal wrote where he tells what he did when he butchered Nicole and Ron.

weezer
again
you are misrepresenting my post. I believe the HOOK chapter is all made up
nonsense for the gullable. The rest i believe is a account of the life oj and nicole which is what the book was intended to be before REGAN bOOKS
brough in the GHOST writer to add the HOOK chapter for spice.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi
I think you put too much cause on Marijuana.
I don't see how Nicole was trashed in the book. Her trying to get back is supporeted by her letter to him requesting same. I think she would have tried to block Paula from having a good relationship with oj. She is quoted as saying she could get him back when ever she wanted to.(cora) I think. This is kinda supported by her interjecting herself in the christmas activities in NEW YORK at the last minute and other times.
I mean she should never have been killed by whoever did do it. but Nicole was not some squeeky clean no blimishes little 100% innocent lady that was never in the wrong or never caused a problem.

imo
martin II

orenthal had the children for Christmas that year -- she wanted to be with them. . . most people understand that they would sit at the table with the devil himself (and she did) in order to be with their children on a big holiday like Christmas.

The fact is, she could get him back whenever she wanted -- and she did.

Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman did not deserve to be murdered by orenthal irregardless of what they did or did not do. imo

[weezer]

weezer
again
you are misrepresenting my post. I believe the HOOK chapter is all made up
nonsense for the gullable. The rest i believe is a account of the life oj and nicole which is what the book was intended to be before REGAN bOOKS
brough in the GHOST writer to add the HOOK chapter for spice.

imo
martin II

then you are wrong -- the book was to be exactly what it is -- orenthal telling what happened that night and the events leading up to it. No one inserted an extra chapter -- it was his idea, his story.

[martin II]

Nicole removed herself from the relationship -- obviously orenthal was not able to do the same; i.e., stalking, whining to friends, etc.

You crack me up! Are you now saying you are willing to accept what Cora and Faye have stated as fact?


weezer
cora and Faye was Nicoles closest day to day friends with the exception of another lady.So yes i do believe some of what they testified to.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi
I think you put too much cause on Marijuana.
I don't see how Nicole was trashed in the book. Her trying to get back is supporeted by her letter to him requesting same. I think she would have tried to block Paula from having a good relationship with oj. She is quoted as saying she could get him back when ever she wanted to.(cora) I think. This is kinda supported by her interjecting herself in the christmas activities in NEW YORK at the last minute and other times.
I mean she should never have been killed by whoever did do it. but Nicole was not some squeeky clean no blimishes little 100% innocent lady that was never in the wrong or never caused a problem.

imo
martin II

the fact is, on the night of the murders orenthal james simpson had drugs in his system. Nicole Brown did not have drugs in her system. Ron Goldman did not have drugs in his system. Some could speculate that orenthal had been doing drugs for weeks, months leading up to the night he butchered two human beings. There is nothing to prove he did and nothing to prove he did not.

[weezer]

weezer
cora and Faye was Nicoles closest day to day friends with the exception of another lady.So yes i do believe some of what they testified to.
imo
martin II

do you believe Cora when she said that the only person Nicole was afraid of at the end of her life was orenthal?

do you believe Faye when she said that she believes orenthal murdered Nicole?

[weezer]

Weezer
does the 'HOOK' chapter of events make sense to you?

martinII

I found parts of the chapter very telling -- and I believe there was more truth than fiction to his confession:

"And now? Now I was standing in Nicole's courtyard, in the dark, listening to the loud, rhythmic, accelerated beating of my own heart. I put my left hand to my heart and my shirt felt strangely wet. I looked down at myself. For several moments, I couldn't get my mind around what I was seeing. The whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute."

[martin II]

then you are wrong -- the book was to be exactly what it is -- orenthal telling what happened that night and the events leading up to it. No one inserted an extra chapter -- it was his idea, his story.

That may be what you think but that is not how i see it and that is not supported by how the book was developed by Regan Books.Regan books brought the title and the ghost writer to the deal.

You may not understand it but the book is a story of how Oj met Nicole and their life togeather up until her death and whay happened with him after that.

There is only one chapter, the HOOK chapter giving a hypothetical account of how they may have been killed. If you believe any of this chapter as being
a true serise of events that could have happened (the killing) then i cannot help you.imo
The ghost writer might as well have written dog killed them.

remember REGAN books did not care if the HOOK chapter made sense because you would have already baught the book by then.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
cora and Faye was Nicoles closest day to day friends with the exception of another lady.So yes i do believe some of what they testified to.
imo
martin II



10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Click reload often for latest version
Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."

Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson.

[martin II]

I found parts of the chapter very telling -- and I believe there was more truth than fiction to his confession:

"And now? Now I was standing in Nicole's courtyard, in the dark, listening to the loud, rhythmic, accelerated beating of my own heart. I put my left hand to my heart and my shirt felt strangely wet. I looked down at myself. For several moments, I couldn't get my mind around what I was seeing. The whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute."

"MY Shirt felt very wet." COVERED IN BLOOD.

QUESTION:

Did he come home buck naked or did he come home wearing the dark sweat suite. what happened to all the COVERED IN BLOOD front chest part of the suite that no one saw blood on. oh i forgot. there was no dark colored sweat suite because charlie got rid of everyting but the socks he had on. so Fung lied, he did not take a video of any sweat suite at ojs house.

Please
martin II

[weezer]

That may be what you think but that is not how i see it and that is not supported by how the book was developed by Regan Books.Regan books brought the title and the ghost writer to the deal.

You may not understand it but the book is a story of how Oj met Nicole and their life togeather up until her death and whay happened with him after that.

There is only one chapter, the HOOK chapter giving a hypothetical account of how they may have been killed. If you believe any of this chapter as being
a true serise of events that could have happened (the killing) then i cannot help you.imo
The ghost writer might as well have written dog killed them.

remember REGAN books did not care if the HOOK chapter made sense because you would have already baught the book by then.
imo
martin II

so you believe that orenthal only wanted to tell the 'love' story? why would he or HC think anyone would be interested in that story?

at what point do you think he realized that they were 'inserting' the "HOOK chapter" that would describe him butchering Nicole and Ron and thought that was okay?

do you think he considered his two small children at that point or just the money?

and, if you believe the "HOOK chapter" was all made up, then why wouldn't it have been accurate?

[weezer]

"MY Shirt felt very wet." COVERED IN BLOOD.

QUESTION:

Did he come home buck naked or did he come home wearing the dark sweat suite. what happened to all the COVERED IN BLOOD front chest part of the suite that no one saw blood on. oh i forgot. there was no dark colored sweat suite because charlie got rid of everyting but the socks he had on. so Fung lied, he did not take a video of any sweat suite at ojs house.

Please
martin II

oh my -- so you think there actually was a 'Charlie'? LOL

Let's see -- no evidence of a "Charlie" but a video of a dark sweat suit. . . .hmmm. Guess I'll go with the sweat suit.

And, martin, where did you get the idea that Fung took a video of the sweat suit? Are we getting confused again? :D

[martin II]

10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Click reload often for latest version
Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."

Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson.



weezer

Nicole had many boyfriends (faye testified to about 8-9)and she even told oj about some of them and the problems she was having with them. Even that she was pregnant by one and his response was why are you telling me this. or something like that.
she had been living this dangerous life style for some time according to CORA
and oj had ignored it as he was involved with work in new york and Paula and was not even in la that much.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

oh my -- so you think there actually was a 'Charlie'? LOL

Let's see -- no evidence of a "Charlie" but a video of a dark sweat suit. . . .hmmm. Guess I'll go with the sweat suit.

And, martin, where did you get the idea that Fung took a video of the sweat suit? Are we getting confused again? :D

weezer

i have just been playing with you since you are trying to make some truth
out of this HOOK chapter.

what i am saying is that the whole HOOK chapter was just that, a HOOK. no reality at all. No charlie, no blood all over me no taking off clothes no nothing.
all made up for gullable people to enjoy.
Maby oj and fujenvis (GHOST WRITER) were both smoking when they created this HOOK.:cool: :cool: :cool:

imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

Nicole had many boyfriends (faye testified to about 8-9)and she even told oj about some of them and the problems she was having with them. Even that she was pregnant by one and his response was why are you telling me this. or something like that.
she had been living this dangerous life style for some time according to CORA
and oj had ignored it as he was involved with work in new york and Paula and was not even in la that much.
imo
martin II

as usual, you've overstated your facts/fantasies. where in faye's testimony does she testify that Nicole had about 8-9 boyfriends? besides orenthal's lying words, do you have anything that supports the statement that Nicole had an abortion?

at the time of her death, Nicole was the caregiver and nurturer to two small children. Friends and family have stated that orenthal was an absentee dad. Nicole took them to school and brought them home from school. She fed them. She dressed them. She arranged outings and sleep overs. She was there for the important events in their lives. She was in great physical shape and had no drugs in her system at the time of her death.

[martin II]

as usual, you've overstated your facts/fantasies. where in faye's testimony does she testify that Nicole had about 8-9 boyfriends? besides orenthal's lying words, do you have anything that supports the statement that Nicole had an abortion?

at the time of her death, Nicole was the caregiver and nurturer to two small children. Friends and family have stated that orenthal was an absentee dad. Nicole took them to school and brought them home from school. She fed them. She dressed them. She arranged outings and sleep overs. She was there for the important events in their lives. She was in great physical shape and had no drugs in her system at the time of her death.

see Fays deposition
The names were deleted
I will look for it but not now.

Nicole did all of that you say she did in your last paragraph. OJ said that she was a great mother and wife at times in the book also. He indicated that she became difficult only when she wanted to come back to rockingham and he would not allow her to come. no one had any beef about her parenting skills.

Nicole found out that the grass was not greener on the other side and wanted to get back to the big house. Oj did not allow it.

But you got to admit that nicole could be quite pushy when she did not get her way. At least i think so.
I also thought as she said i can get him back any time i want to did not work because PAULA was very stiff competition but nicole had some advantage. The kids.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

I think Oj agreed to this book as it gave him a opportunity to give his version of the relationship from beginning to end without the media interview where his words would be edited and changed to make him look like a azz. Barbara Walters type ambush.
Plus it paid very well and his kids would be making monet for some time. Remember H Collins and Regan helped Oj get paid before anyone knew about the book.

martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi

I think Oj agreed to this book as it gave him a opportunity to give his version of the relationship from beginning to end without the media interview where his words would be edited and changed to make him look like a azz. Barbara Walters type ambush.
Plus it paid very well and his kids would be making monet for some time. Remember H Collins and Regan helped Oj get paid before anyone knew about the book.

martin II

Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh.

orenthal comes across as an ass in the book you think he wrote. By the way, do you think he actually 'wrote' it or do you think he told the story and someone else 'wrote' it? and then what? he stepped out of the room and the 'HOOK' chapter was written and then he came back in and finished up? LOL. geez martin.

the only thing about orenthal getting money from the book is that I laugh out loud when I imagine his co-conspirator's face when she realized he'd screwed her. . . .:D

[weezer]

see Fays deposition
The names were deleted
I will look for it but not now.

Nicole did all of that you say she did in your last paragraph. OJ said that she was a great mother and wife at times in the book also. He indicated that she became difficult only when she wanted to come back to rockingham and he would not allow her to come. no one had any beef about her parenting skills.

Nicole found out that the grass was not greener on the other side and wanted to get back to the big house. Oj did not allow it.

But you got to admit that nicole could be quite pushy when she did not get her way. At least i think so.
I also thought as she said i can get him back any time i want to did not work because PAULA was very stiff competition but nicole had some advantage. The kids.
imo
martin II

orenthal ran back to Nicole when she thought she wanted to try again and he exploded in a rage when she dumped him. Paula may have been 'stiff' competition but obviously it was competition Nicole was able to best.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Nicole found out that the grass was not greener on the other side and wanted to get back to the big house. Oj did not allow it.


WRONG! This was NOT the case at the time of the murders. Nicole was NOT trying to reconcile with Orenthal :no: :no: :no: :no:

[martin II]

Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh.

orenthal comes across as an ass in the book you think he wrote. By the way, do you think he actually 'wrote' it or do you think he told the story and someone else 'wrote' it? and then what? he stepped out of the room and the 'HOOK' chapter was written and then he came back in and finished up? LOL. geez martin.

the only thing about orenthal getting money from the book is that I laugh out loud when I imagine his co-conspirator's face when she realized he'd screwed her. . . .:D

weezer
gees
i said Barbara Walters type interview. i know she backed out and it is reported that her network finally paid HC $1,000,00 For doing so. duh.

No . I do not know if oj taped the interview or if he dictated it to a ghost writer or if he wrote it on that computer he is always on.
It does not matter as long as these are his words.
I believe that at some time during the process Regan did hired the ghost writer friend Fujivenes sp(she said she did and ear marked his money in the contract) and directed him to make a good hook for the book. maby oj participated in constructing this chapter i don't know but my point is that Regan wanted this chapter in the book and she got what she wanted.

Oj got to tell his side without editing and HC agreed to assist him in being paid
safely before the book was announced without Freds knowledge.

So far Oj got about $800,000.00 +- and the deal giving Fred the rights has run into a snag, Fred had previouisly told the Browns to get lost but now,seeing that they have standing has offered to share with them. But now there are a few other issues that have come forth and the issue is now under review.
There is a Florida state law that prevents transfer of ones image/name as long as the person is alive. Yale has talked about this. It will be interesting to see if the judge can get around this law.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

orenthal ran back to Nicole when she thought she wanted to try again and he exploded in a rage when she dumped him. Paula may have been 'stiff' competition but obviously it was competition Nicole was able to best.

weezer
Nicole is the one that wrote the can i come back letter.
Paula had some advantages. She was a hands down bonified LOOKER ( she made a living on her looks all over) and she worked. imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
gees
i said Barbara Walters type interview. i know she backed out and it is reported that her network finally paid HC $1,000,00 For doing so. duh.

No . I do not know if oj taped the interview or if he dictated it to a ghost writer or if he wrote it on that computer he is always on.
It does not matter as long as these are his words.
I believe that at some time during the process Regan did hired the ghost writer friend Fujivenes sp(she said she did and ear marked his money in the contract) and directed him to make a good hook for the book. maby oj participated in constructing this chapter i don't know but my point is that Regan wanted this chapter in the book and she got what she wanted.

Oj got to tell his side without editing and HC agreed to assist him in being paid
safely before the book was announced without Freds knowledge.

So far Oj got about $800,000.00 +- and the deal giving Fred the rights has run into a snag, Fred had previouisly told the Browns to get lost but now,seeing that they have standing has offered to share with them. But now there are a few other issues that have come forth and the issue is now under review.
There is a Florida state law that prevents transfer of ones image/name as long as the person is alive. Yale has talked about this. It will be interesting to see if the judge can get around this law.
imo
martin II

I am at a loss over your post --

the fact is, orenthal said this was his story and then he told it. Nicole isn't here to call him a liar but testimony and evidence from two trials disputes much of what he says.

[martin II]

Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh.

orenthal comes across as an ass in the book you think he wrote. By the way, do you think he actually 'wrote' it or do you think he told the story and someone else 'wrote' it? and then what? he stepped out of the room and the 'HOOK' chapter was written and then he came back in and finished up? LOL. geez martin.

the only thing about orenthal getting money from the book is that I laugh out loud when I imagine his co-conspirator's face when she realized he'd screwed her. . . .:D

Barbare Walters made a contract with HC NOT OJ. Fox took it from her. you should know that.
martin II

[martin II]

I am at a loss over your post --

the fact is, orenthal said this was his story and then he told it. Nicole isn't here to call him a liar but testimony and evidence from two trials disputes much of what he says.

LOST
I am not surprised.

I totally dissagree with the balance of your post.As i don't see it as being factual.
But wht to each his own.

martin II

[weezer]

Barbare Walters made a contract with HC NOT OJ. Fox took it from her. you should know that.
martin II

what are you talking about here?

[martin II]

what are you talking about here?

you stated that Barbara Walters dropped oj. I am saying not possible because she never had a contract with oj.

martin II

[weezer]

you stated that Barbara Walters dropped oj. I am saying not possible because she never had a contract with oj.

martin II

good grief martin, get it right:

"Originally Posted by fbgweezer
Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh."

where in that does it say 'dropped'?

[martin II]

good grief martin, get it right:

"Originally Posted by fbgweezer
Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh."

where in that does it say 'dropped'?

ok
Barbara Walters had a contract with HC/Regan books and NOT oj. So it was not possible for her to have "turned oj down". She or her network bosses decided not to follow through on the contract she had with HC/Regan books.
martin II

[martin II]

Barbara Walters didn't ambush him -- she turned him down. . . duh.

orenthal comes across as an ass in the book you think he wrote. By the way, do you think he actually 'wrote' it or do you think he told the story and someone else 'wrote' it? and then what? he stepped out of the room and the 'HOOK' chapter was written and then he came back in and finished up? LOL. geez martin.

the only thing about orenthal getting money from the book is that I laugh out loud when I imagine his co-conspirator's face when she realized he'd screwed her. . . .:D

I think Arnell would be quite surprised to know how much time you give her in your daily thoughts and post on this thread. It is strangly, very very odd.
martin II

[socaldiva]

I think Arnell would be quite surprised to know how much time you give her in your daily thoughts and post on this thread. It is strangly, very very odd.
martin II

And your thoughts & posts relative to her are different how???

[martin II]

orenthal ran back to Nicole when she thought she wanted to try again and he exploded in a rage when she dumped him. Paula may have been 'stiff' competition but obviously it was competition Nicole was able to best.

I believe that nicole got two hugh surprises after she decided to leave oj and get a divoice.
1. That the grass was not greener on the other side of the street.
2. That she could not "get oj back anytime she wanted"

" Having her freedom" had not worked out and Paula was
now with oj.

The videos, old pictures, cookies, and 'I LOVE YOU I WAS RESPONSIBLE" letter only got a agreement for a year tryout. This did not please her at all.

A mixture of his love for her and the kids allowed him to make a try at her request..imo

I think something caused her to get off track as she had not been use to "hanging out" as she had never done this before and may not have been as good at it as say faye.

Of all the men available to her she choose to sleep with Marcus Allen one of Ojs best friend who was about to marry a woman that was HER friend.
She then told Oj about the affair.BIG MISTAKE.

They both then played the mixed signals game. This in my opinion just made the situation worse. Sleeping togeather as if they did not have serious problems.

He pushed her buttons and she pushed his when each wanted something from the other.

With Paula in hand, Nicole pushing very hard to have her way and very little progress on the PLAN, they both seemed to have tired and decided to move on.

I don't know who quit who first or who made the final decision in their minds first but when Nicole really needed Oj to allow her to use his address in her efforts to evade her IRS tax responsibilities and he said NO OFFICIALLY,
that for me was as strong a signal as he could possibly give to her that he was finished with her and in fact had MOVED ON.

All my opinions from various testimony and the book.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

All my opinions from various testimony and the book.
martin II


Your opinions are not based on truth if "the book" you are referring to is the one written by Orenthal. As for testimony, I assume you are talking about Faye Resnick & Cora Fishman. IIRC Faye also testified relative to Orenthal's abuse. Do you believe this portion of her testimony, or simply toss it because it doesn't fit with your version?

[martin II]

correction faye Resnicks deposition.

Th correct number of men nicole was dating was 7 including oj not 8-9
as previously stated.
see list below.

Q. During that period of time, do you know whether Nicole was dating any men?

A. Yes. I know she was dating men.

Q. Do you know who they were? Can you name them?

A. Yes.

Q. Please do so.

A. Nicole started seeing Alessandro, I do not know his last name.

Q. Is he also known as Marcello?

A. He is known as Marcello in the book, yes.

MR. LEONARD: I didn't hear that.

MR. PETROCELLI: He's known as Marcello in the book, yes.

Q. What did you call him?

A. Alessandro was his name. Then she was seeing Keith Zlomsowich and that was brief, very brief, more of a friendship. She also saw Joseph [Name Deleted], she saw Brett [Name Deleted], she saw Grant [Name Deleted] briefly, Marcus Allen, and then O.J. Simpson.

Q. To your knowledge, did Nicole date these men prior to resuming her relationship with Mr. Simpson in April of 1993?

A. Yes. They formed a reconciliation.

Q. And Marcus Allen, did she date Marcus

[socaldiva]

*snip*
correction faye Resnicks deposition.

Th correct number of men nicole was dating was 7 including oj not 8-9
as previously stated.
see list below.



So what? Unlike Orenthal, at least Nicole did her dating when she wasn't married ;)

Her dating habits have nothing to do with her being murdered. She wasn't murdered by one of these men, she was murdered by Orenthal.

[martin II]

so you believe that orenthal only wanted to tell the 'love' story? why would he or HC think anyone would be interested in that story?

at what point do you think he realized that they were 'inserting' the "HOOK chapter" that would describe him butchering Nicole and Ron and thought that was okay?

do you think he considered his two small children at that point or just the money?

and, if you believe the "HOOK chapter" was all made up, then why wouldn't it have been accurate?

yes hc thought so as thet agreed to pay him for it.

I assume he was told they wanted HOOK chapter in the book from the beginning that is wha Regan hired the ghost writer.

He considered everyone as evident by the h.c. contract giving the rights to LBA.

Hook chapter was made up as a hypothetical because as oj said 'I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS'

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
He considered everyone as evident by the h.c. contract giving the rights to LBA.



Then why did he spend the entire advance? None of that money went to any of the children. He even cheated Arnelle. imo

[martin II]

yes hc thought so as thet agreed to pay him for it.

I assume he was told they wanted HOOK chapter in the book from the beginning that is wha Regan hired the ghost writer.

He considered everyone as evident by the h.c. contract giving the rights to LBA.

Hook chapter was made up as a hypothetical because as oj said 'I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS'

imo
martin II

weezer

for some time there had been comments b y oj indicating that he may want to consider doing a book in retrospect. I would buy into the idsea that he would accept this opportunity as he did not have to worry about someone editing the book. It would be his story.
I really don't think he dissed Nicole. unless his story about her becomming a pain in the butt with her problems began to get to him.

Remember he has not yet talked about all the really hot and heavy stuff nicole seems to be doing.What some conservative very religius people may consider to be very bad conduct. (i don't define bad conduct but some do)

So as far as his story goes, he got what he wanted out of the book. the money was extra. I think it was a good idea to set it up so the royalties would go to ALL HIS CHILDREN.

IMO
MARTIONii

[martin II]

10/18/96 - 07:41 PM ET - Click reload often for latest version
Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."

Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson.

WEEZER

Here is Nicoles and Cora discussing that phrase.
cora and oj were at a friends villa with both sets of children and they did not sleep in the same house. you only tried to make it look like something else.

A: Well, Nicole used that word "kill" a lot, you know, as a figure of speech, so I really didn't have -- to me it was like I was saying I killed somebody, you know, "My dad's gonna kill me if I do something wrong," you know, or --

Q: I see. So when she said to you that O.J. was going to kill her, you took that as just a figure of speech and not seriously. Is that what you're trying to say?

A: Hearing from her most -- yeah, right. Like, "Judy's gonna kill me if she finds out I'm smoking. Don't tell my mom," you know.

Q: And she used that figure of speech in relation to O.J. Simpson, too, from time to time. Is that right?

A: I never paid attention. To me it was like I saw her every day, so --

Q: My question to you is: She said to you from time to time, "O.J.'s going to kill me." Is that true?

A: Yes.

Q: And when she said that to you, you attached no significance to it?

A: I never did, yeah.

Q: You thought she didn't really mean what she was saying. Right?

A: No.

[weezer]

WEEZER

Here is Nicoles and Cora discussing that phrase.
cora and oj were at a friends villa with both sets of children and they did not sleep in the same house. you only tried to make it look like something else.

A: Well, Nicole used that word "kill" a lot, you know, as a figure of speech, so I really didn't have -- to me it was like I was saying I killed somebody, you know, "My dad's gonna kill me if I do something wrong," you know, or --

Q: I see. So when she said to you that O.J. was going to kill her, you took that as just a figure of speech and not seriously. Is that what you're trying to say?

A: Hearing from her most -- yeah, right. Like, "Judy's gonna kill me if she finds out I'm smoking. Don't tell my mom," you know.

Q: And she used that figure of speech in relation to O.J. Simpson, too, from time to time. Is that right?

A: I never paid attention. To me it was like I saw her every day, so --

Q: My question to you is: She said to you from time to time, "O.J.'s going to kill me." Is that true?

A: Yes.

Q: And when she said that to you, you attached no significance to it?

A: I never did, yeah.

Q: You thought she didn't really mean what she was saying. Right?

A: No.

very interesting -- she also said: "A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Nicole Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman, 41, quoted Nicole Simpson as saying that O.J. Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you,"

[weezer]

*Snipped* I think it was a good idea to set it up so the royalties would go to ALL HIS CHILDREN.

there is just something inherently wrong with his co-conspirator getting money from the death of Nicole and Ron. imo

[martin II]

there is just something inherently wrong with his co-conspirator getting money from the death of Nicole and Ron. imo

weezer
Personal hatred can cause one to be kinda cock eyed and jealous of some women. There is not co-conspirator in the case. i beleive for the above you like to call This beautiful black woman ARNELL that. It means nothing.

martin II

[martin II]

very interesting -- she also said: "A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Nicole Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman, 41, quoted Nicole Simpson as saying that O.J. Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you,"

this is not the first time i have heard these words spoken in anger or books or movies. Just words spoke in anger .
martin II

[martin II]

weezer
Why do you think nicole was so angry with oj when she accused him of trying to be friends with faye. She is quoted as saying 'You are trying to steal my friends"(ojs book and Coras testimony)

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
Personal hatred can cause one to be kinda cock eyed and jealous of some women. There is not co-conspirator in the case. i beleive for the above you like to call This beautiful black woman ARNELL that. It means nothing.

martin II

LOL -- sorry but I could not be jealous of a middle aged woman, still living with and off daddy, willing to profit from a book written by daddy confessing to murder, who is considered by many to be a co-conspirator in the murder of the mother of her siblings. And honey, color ain't got nothing to do with it. imo

You should remember your own advice about hatred when it comes to Mark Furhman and Fred Goldman. imo

[weezer]

weezer
Why do you think nicole was so angry with oj when she accused him of trying to be friends with faye. She is quoted as saying 'You are trying to steal my friends"(ojs book and Coras testimony)

martin II

I realize you struggle with this so I'll try to answer: I don't believe Nicole was angry about Faye -- I believe Nicole was angry because orenthal was trying to exert control over her life. He seems to have had a real bad habit of that. You know, that's one of the traits of an abuser. imo

[weezer]

this is not the first time i have heard these words spoken in anger or books or movies. Just words spoke in anger .
martin II

I agree they were probably spoken in anger -- but it wasn't in a book or a movie AND she was murdered. Puts it in a bit of a different context don't you think?

[martin II]

I agree they were probably spoken in anger -- but it wasn't in a book or a movie AND she was murdered. Puts it in a bit of a different context don't you think?

nope
martinii

[weezer]

nope
martinii

really? hmmm -- I think anyone using critical thinking skills would.

Let me see: I tell you "He's going to kill me." and then I turn up dead -- I bet you think, "He killed her."

[martin II]

really? hmmm -- I think anyone using critical thinking skills would.

Let me see: I tell you "He's going to kill me." and then I turn up dead -- I bet you think, "He killed her."

ok

However, the man next door could have.
it is ok for you to think that.that is what the prosecution thought and what the media told the public.. But They could not prove it.

martin

[martin II]

weezer
nicoles mother said that a lot.or "nicole said my mother wil kill me" did she do it?

[weezer]

weezer
nicoles mother said that a lot.or "nicole said my mother wil kill me" did she do it?

it wasn't Nicole's mother's hair, blood, hat, glove, fiber and BM size 12 pigeon-toed footprints left at the murder scene.

[weezer]

correction faye Resnicks deposition.

Th correct number of men nicole was dating was 7 including oj not 8-9
as previously stated.
see list below.

Q. During that period of time, do you know whether Nicole was dating any men?

A. Yes. I know she was dating men.

Q. Do you know who they were? Can you name them?

A. Yes.

Q. Please do so.

A. Nicole started seeing Alessandro, I do not know his last name.

Q. Is he also known as Marcello?

A. He is known as Marcello in the book, yes.

MR. LEONARD: I didn't hear that.

MR. PETROCELLI: He's known as Marcello in the book, yes.

Q. What did you call him?

A. Alessandro was his name. Then she was seeing Keith Zlomsowich and that was brief, very brief, more of a friendship. She also saw Joseph [Name Deleted], she saw Brett [Name Deleted], she saw Grant [Name Deleted] briefly, Marcus Allen, and then O.J. Simpson.

Q. To your knowledge, did Nicole date these men prior to resuming her relationship with Mr. Simpson in April of 1993?

A. Yes. They formed a reconciliation.

Q. And Marcus Allen, did she date Marcus

sounds to me like it was orenthal that had competition -- :tongue:

[weezer]

I realize you struggle with this so I'll try to answer: I don't believe Nicole was angry about Faye -- I believe Nicole was angry because orenthal was trying to exert control over her life. He seems to have had a real bad habit of that. You know, that's one of the traits of an abuser. imo

Triumph of Justice; Petrocelli; P302-303: "Among the correspondence we found when we subpoenaed Hertz's files on Simpson was a letter he wrote to Olson dated January 14, 1992, following negotiations over renewal of his contract. In the letter, Simpson complained sardonically that Hertz was getting him dirt cheap. Near the end of the letter, Simpson wrote: Frank, in the words of my wife, "I've given you the best years of my life and all you want to do is control me.' Okay, it's alright. I'll just have to raise the stakes in our gin game so I can recoup some of my losses.

In the words of my wife? Over ten days of his deposition, Simpson vehemently denied trying to control Nicole, but here, three years ealier, it slipped out in a letter. I'm sure that's exactly what Nicole said to him, that's what it was all about: control. When he could no longer control her, he killed her -- the ultimate act of control."

[socaldiva]

LOL -- sorry but I could not be jealous of a middle aged woman, still living with and off daddy, willing to profit from a book written by daddy confessing to murder, who is considered by many to be a co-conspirator in the murder of the mother of her siblings. And honey, color ain't got nothing to do with it. imo

You should remember your own advice about hatred when it comes to Mark Furhman and Fred Goldman. imo.


:beer: :beer: :beer:

[socaldiva]

Speaking of books, last time I counted Mark Fuhrman had authored 7. At least one of them made it to the New York Times bestseller list. He also has a radio program in Seattle & is often called upon to by Greta Van Susteren to offer his insight into current crimes. I bet all of those things aggrevate Simspon, considering next to no one wants to hear anything that comes out of his mouth :tongue:

[jotun]

jotun

i remember judge Lekowitz's decision that it would be unconstutional to take ojs image and name.

There is a Florida law against unvoluntary transfer of a persons image while the person is living.

maby Judge Cristol made a too quick decision in favor of Mr Goldman
imo

martin II

Martin, IMO
I remember that also.
She said fred would have to ask O.J. for it.Would be the only way he could obtain it.

IF O.J. CAN'T & WON'T transfer or sell it in Fla how will fred get it??
No matter what fred's judge says.

I agree the decision was too quick or maybe just fred's lawyers tale to the media.
Now anyone can make a claim against O.J.just as the Browns are doing.

New O.J. LAW in Florida.
No other legal "shell-corporation" will be safe now.
Thought a corp.could buy itself OUT of bankruptcy.
IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

if Yale is correct, then the book could not include ojs name or picture without his approval.
imo
martin II

Martin---IMO

Bet the browns would not want Nicole's name & image used either.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

This statement by Freds lawyer sound like any money paid to either party
Goldmans/Browns would be a settlement of the judgements against OJ.
So if this happens oj will owe less money than he does now.
imo

Ps
Fred seems to realize that he will not get ALL the money and has changed his position as it now seems the browns will get to share in this pot of gold.
martin II

But attorneys for the trustee and the Goldmans reject that claim, contending that the Browns only got involved at the last minute and had lost similar efforts in California state court earlier this year. The Browns should only recover money, they say, after the Goldmans' claim has been fully settled.

Martin---IMO
O.J.doesn't care IF he owes LESS MONEY
he has NO INTENTION of paying them a dime. It's over 62 million.

The goldmans ALSO LOST similar efforts in court in ca.The browns can court-shop also.

Don't think there will be much GOLD to share.
Who will publish this now that it has sprung that devastating LEAK.
Everyone who wants it NOW has read it.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=200707&Catego...

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

Weezer
What i get is that Mr Goldman and his lawyers definately care about the book.
Remember it was only back a few weeks in california that HE told the Browns to get lost and walked away. Now it seems the Browns have a right to a share and maby even nicoles two kids.

OJ has already been paid almost $1,000,000.00 that we know about. maby more.
So yes . somebody does care. A few people do care.

imo
martin II

Martin---IMO
I agree the goldmans certainly DO care about this book. Or at least the money to be made by them. Remember how they wanted the rights SO, they said, the book 'would never see the light of day.' Also wanted MONEY from NewsCorp for paying O.J. and '10's of millions from TMZ for LEAKING the BOOK.
Wonder what happened to that.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

Hi Martin,

There is no way that OJ wrote any of it without the help of a writer. His grammar, punctuation and sentence structure are not sufficient to write a book or even one chapter. Not a shot at him, just a fact.





O.J. IS A WRITER!

ALL---IMO

O.J. DIDN'T WRITE any part of the book.He met & talked with the tabloid ghostwriter Pablo Fenjves who said he TAPED every session. Then Fenjves wrote the text.The completed chapters were sent one by one to & signed by O.J. & sent back.

Bet O.J.'s self-written next book will be alot better than the tabloid-ghostwriter Fenjves. O.J. IS A WRITER. He wrote his speaches for the Heisman Trophy & Hall of Fame ceromonies etc. He wrote episodes of 1st & 10 for HBO. And a movie or 2. Plus an op-ed piece for the L.A Times about Fuhrman. O.J.writes everyday. About sports & life etc. He just can't spell.

IMO

jotun

[tv]

Martin---IMO
O.J.doesn't care IF he owes LESS MONEY
he has NO INTENTION of paying them a dime. It's over 62 million. *snip*

IMO

jotunI have to agree with you there. IMO, if it were only $10, he still would have no intention of paying.

[jotun]

weezer

i have just been playing with you since you are trying to make some truth
out of this HOOK chapter.

what i am saying is that the whole HOOK chapter was just that, a HOOK. no reality at all. No charlie, no blood all over me no taking off clothes no nothing.
all made up for gullable people to enjoy.


imo
martin II


ALL HOOK---NO REALITY

Martin---ALL

Right-- ALL HOOK---NO REALITY

No 'Charlie', no blood, no nudity, no right hand glove pulled-off by O.J.No YELLING by O.J., no 'SCREAMING LIKE A
BANSHEE' by Nicole.No hitting her head. No sitting on an non-existent low wall.no scum lawyers who have taken millions YET, no squieking back gate that leads into the front court-yard with room for circleing,no cap & gloves for golf, no knife for'crazies'. No cut, no Nicole lying on her right side, no 'wailing' dog, no running behind the house with a.c units protuding and undistirubed cobwebs underneath. No entering thru the path-door? No looking 2 ways with Kato and the meeting back at the front door.etc.etc.etc.

IF there was any TRUTH to any of this the LAPD sure has ALOT of EXPLAINING TO DO. No wonder Fuhrman was so livid on fox-news about the book chapter he had read to him. And the media's typical outrage, especially those who had told us Marcia's 4 1/2 million dollar story was TRUTH...

So how did O.J.'s blood get at bundy with no cut, in the bronco, on the driveway, in the foyer and bathroom?Or how did the glove appear behind the house if he left it there or put it in the clothes bundle? How did taken by 'Charlie' clothes now get in the washer, the hamper,and in the missing bag hidden in Chicago??
How did the knife get in the vanity cabinet or later found with type B blood if 'Charlie' "made it disappear forver"?
etc.etc.etc.

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
No wonder Fuhrman was so livid on fox-news about the book chapter he had read to him.

My guess is that Fuhrman is like millions of others around the world. Livid that a double murderer kills the mother of his children & then has the nerve to write a book about it. Orenthal's never had any class, regardless of his bank account.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
He wrote his speaches for the Heisman Trophy & Hall of Fame ceromonies etc. He wrote episodes of 1st & 10 for HBO. And a movie or 2. Plus an op-ed piece for the L.A Times about Fuhrman. O.J.writes everyday. About sports & life etc. He just can't spell.


OJ is a writer? I guess you missed that little ditty of a suicide letter he wrote. Not only can he not spell, he can't think. :lol:

btw: do you have any proof that he wrote the things you say he did? I've never heard the drivel myself, but I doubt he could formulate an entire sentence without help.

[martin II]

sounds to me like it was orenthal that had competition -- :tongue:

I agree

Nicole was really really busy.lots of people shook hands.
this is what ora called dangerous life style.
martin II

[martin II]

correction

CORA

[weezer]

I agree

Nicole was really really busy.lots of people shook hands.
this is what ora called dangerous life style.
martin II

LOL -- oh Lord martin -- now you're quoting the self admitted adulterer on someone else's lifestyle? LOL

[tazzybaby]

O.J. IS A WRITER!

ALL---IMO

O.J. DIDN'T WRITE any part of the book.He met & talked with the tabloid ghostwriter Pablo Fenjves who said he TAPED every session. Then Fenjves wrote the text.The completed chapters were sent one by one to & signed by O.J. & sent back.

Bet O.J.'s self-written next book will be alot better than the tabloid-ghostwriter Fenjves. O.J. IS A WRITER. He wrote his speaches for the Heisman Trophy & Hall of Fame ceromonies etc. He wrote episodes of 1st & 10 for HBO. And a movie or 2. Plus an op-ed piece for the L.A Times about Fuhrman. O.J.writes everyday. About sports & life etc. He just can't spell.

IMO

jotun

No matter what you and Martin want to say....the FACT is that OJ signed a LEGAL and BINDING contract that he wrote the chapter and all others in the book with the HELP of a writer. There is no way around this FACT. The link has been provided. His signature is VERY visible on the same page. I understand that you both believe every word that OJ utters but you look so gullible when it is in black and white yet you still believe he didn't write it. If the writer would have wrote it himself he wouldn't have contradicted the known testimony. That is also a sign that OJ wrote it. That way he could come out and say...see, it wasn't me that's not even what the evidence said.

:no:

The other chapters in the book prove even more to me that he wrote it. The chapters do nothing but try to bolster the lies that he has told all along. It is rediculous that he would write such things when he has two children by Nicole. You two don't care about how things like this affect his children .. you only care about defending every breath he takes.

:rolleyes:

[martin II]

LOL -- oh Lord martin -- now you're quoting the self admitted adulterer on someone else's lifestyle? LOL

weezer
Cora was in a better position to know about Nicole and her activities than you don't you think? i mean they were best friends and were togeather frequently and there seemed to be a lot of gossip in Brentwood.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

ALL HOOK---NO REALITY

Martin---ALL

Right-- ALL HOOK---NO REALITY

No 'Charlie', no blood, no nudity, no right hand glove pulled-off by O.J.No YELLING by O.J., no 'SCREAMING LIKE A
BANSHEE' by Nicole.No hitting her head. No sitting on an non-existent low wall.no scum lawyers who have taken millions YET, no squieking back gate that leads into the front court-yard with room for circleing,no cap & gloves for golf, no knife for'crazies'. No cut, no Nicole lying on her right side, no 'wailing' dog, no running behind the house with a.c units protuding and undistirubed cobwebs underneath. No entering thru the path-door? No looking 2 ways with Kato and the meeting back at the front door.etc.etc.etc.

IF there was any TRUTH to any of this the LAPD sure has ALOT of EXPLAINING TO DO. No wonder Fuhrman was so livid on fox-news about the book chapter he had read to him. And the media's typical outrage, especially those who had told us Marcia's 4 1/2 million dollar story was TRUTH...

So how did O.J.'s blood get at bundy with no cut, in the bronco, on the driveway, in the foyer and bathroom?Or how did the glove appear behind the house if he left it there or put it in the clothes bundle? How did taken by 'Charlie' clothes now get in the washer, the hamper,and in the missing bag hidden in Chicago??
How did the knife get in the vanity cabinet or later found with type B blood if 'Charlie' "made it disappear forver"?
etc.etc.etc.

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun

Talk about no reality. OJ admitted to bleeding at his house and therefore having a cut. The knife had type B blood? Please provide a valid link to this.

:punch:

[tazzybaby]

weezer
Cora was in a better position to know about Nicole and her activities than you don't you think? i mean they were best friends and were togeather frequently and there seemed to be a lot of gossip in Brentwood.
martin II


She was a close friend. But, she didn't know everything. And, I think towards the end they were not that close any more. Nicole was tired of her using her as an excuse to have an affair with a bag boy. Cora was wierdly loyal to OJ. It is rumored that they were having an affair. That ruins some of her credibility. I think Cora is the one who gave herself the "Best Friend" title. Well, OJ also said it...but, he's a liar and therefore, can't be believed.

[martin II]

No matter what you and Martin want to say....the FACT is that OJ signed a LEGAL and BINDING contract that he wrote the chapter and all others in the book with the HELP of a writer. There is no way around this FACT. The link has been provided. His signature is VERY visible on the same page. I understand that you both believe every word that OJ utters but you look so gullible when it is in black and white yet you still believe he didn't write it. If the writer would have wrote it himself he wouldn't have contradicted the known testimony. That is also a sign that OJ wrote it. That way he could come out and say...see, it wasn't me that's not even what the evidence said.

:no:

The other chapters in the book prove even more to me that he wrote it. The chapters do nothing but try to bolster the lies that he has told all along. It is rediculous that he would write such things when he has two children by Nicole. You two don't care about how things like this affect his children .. you only care about defending every breath he takes.

:rolleyes:

tazzy hi
i am not dissagreeging with you. One way or the other oj was involved in the
writing of the book. i think Regan decided that there would be a hook chapter and oj and the ghost writer put that togeather making it as hypothetical and
untrue as possible.imo
martin II

[martin II]

She was a close friend. But, she didn't know everything. And, I think towards the end they were not that close any more. Nicole was tired of her using her as an excuse to have an affair with a bag boy. Cora was wierdly loyal to OJ. It is rumored that they were having an affair. That ruins some of her credibility. I think Cora is the one who gave herself the "Best Friend" title. Well, OJ also said it...but, he's a liar and therefore, can't be believed.

Cora and Nicole jogged togeather daily, Nicole gave cora a key to her house.
Their kids played togeather and visited each other.

Are you suggesting that Nicole did not have these relationships.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i am not dissagreeging with you. One way or the other oj was involved in the
writing of the book. i think Regan decided that there would be a hook chapter and oj and the ghost writer put that togeather making it as hypothetical and
untrue as possible.imo
martin II


But, all of this "hook" talk that you are throwing out here is NOT TRUE. You are guessing and trying to put something out there that there is NO PROOF of. You can't just make stuff up and decide that's how it went.

:no:

[martin II]

I have to agree with you there. IMO, if it were only $10, he still would have no intention of paying.

i think if the judgements were in reach (financially possible) there would have been a possibility of a settlement.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Cora and Nicole jogged togeather daily, Nicole gave cora a key to her house.
Their kids played togeather and visited each other.

Are you suggesting that Nicole did not have these relationships.
martin II

Faye and Nicole hung out more than Nicole and Cora. Faye's child also played with the kids and visited each other. So, why is Cora a closer friend than Faye? There were other's in her circle that had a key and their kids played with her kids. That doesn't make her THE best friend.

[martin II]

But, all of this "hook" talk that you are throwing out here is NOT TRUE. You are guessing and trying to put something out there that there is NO PROOF of. You can't just make stuff up and decide that's how it went.

:no:

I am not sure i understand your post.

Reading the 'HOOK" chapter does it sounds like that was something that took
place or does it sound impossible to have happened.

Question;
Did oj actually come home and walk into the house naked?
DID he enter his property by the house/yard East of his property?
What happened to 'charlies" foot prints at Bundy.

martin II

[martin II]

Faye and Nicole hung out more than Nicole and Cora. Faye's child also played with the kids and visited each other. So, why is Cora a closer friend than Faye? There were other's in her circle that had a key and their kids played with her kids. That doesn't make her THE best friend.

tazzy hi
cora did testify that she did not hang out with nicole and Faye when they went bar hopping and picking up men. but i have not read any testimony that indicates that cora and Nicole were not friends.cora did not approve of fayes lifestyle and told Nicole so.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

I am not sure i understand your post.

Reading the 'HOOK" chapter does it sounds like that was something that took
place or does it sound impossible to have happened.

Question;
Did oj actually come home and walk into the house naked?
DID he enter his property by the house/yard East of his property?
What happened to 'charlies" foot prints at Bundy.

martin II


As I stated above, I believe that OJ purposely put misleading accounts in there so that he could claim that it was a lie. And, that hooked people like you who believe every word he says. However, a couple of things he said does clear up a couple of things. For example I believe when he says that he doesn't even remember what "happened next" and that he was in a "trance" type state. That explains the footprints when he was doing the "OJ shuffle". He was in disbelief. I also do believe that he took his "clothes" off. But, I believe he had underwear and an undershirt on. So, he wouldn't be naked as you keep suggesting. He was seen with short sleeves on after the murder so now we know why.

I believe that he could have went all the way down and then back up when returning to Rockingham. But, I also believe that he COULD HAVE jumped the fence. Either way I believe he was back there.

If OJ's account is right and there was a "charlie" then from what he says he was back away from the actual blood. So if he was at the top of the stairs already then he wouldn't have stepped in blood anyways.

[tazzybaby]

taxxy hi
cora did testify that she did not hang out with nicole and Faye when they went bar hopping and picking up men. but i have not read any testimony that indicates that cora and Nicole were not friends.cora did not approve of fayes lifestyle and told Nicole so.imo
martin II


I NEVER said that they weren't friends. I think it's funny that Cora didn't approve of Faye's and Nicole's "lifestyle" (which really meant going to bars, being social and Faye's drug use) when Cora was sleeping around with the bag boy and using Nicole as an alibi. She's got such higher standards....lol The only difference is Faye's drug use. That's mainly only dangerous in the actual drug use anyways. Especially since it was her own personal drug use and not selling the drug. She was hanging out with OJ a lot after Nicole's death and he is a PROVEN drug user. So, sounds to me like she was just taking up for OJ.

[martin II]

As I stated above, I believe that OJ purposely put misleading accounts in there so that he could claim that it was a lie. And, that hooked people like you who believe every word he says. However, a couple of things he said does clear up a couple of things. For example I believe when he says that he doesn't even remember what "happened next" and that he was in a "trance" type state. That explains the footprints when he was doing the "OJ shuffle". He was in disbelief. I also do believe that he took his "clothes" off. But, I believe he had underwear and an undershirt on. So, he wouldn't be naked as you keep suggesting. He was seen with short sleeves on after the murder so now we know why.

I believe that he could have went all the way down and then back up when returning to Rockingham. But, I also believe that he COULD HAVE jumped the fence. Either way I believe he was back there.

If OJ's account is right and there was a "charlie" then from what he says he was back away from the actual blood. So if he was at the top of the stairs already then he wouldn't have stepped in blood anyways.

nope the hook chapter says charlie was standing next oj and grabbed him.
but no bloody foot prints by charlie.

if he went down the block and all around h he would have arrived at his door step much later than park said he did. how did he get from back by the swimming pool to where the glove was found?

it says oj stripped of everything But his SOCKS you cannot change what it says.

Park said he saw oj in black clothes NOT underwear.so did Park lie?

martin II

[martin II]

I NEVER said that they weren't friends. I think it's funny that Cora didn't approve of Faye's and Nicole's "lifestyle" (which really meant going to bars, being social and Faye's drug use) when Cora was sleeping around with the bag boy and using Nicole as an alibi. She's got such higher standards....lol The only difference is Faye's drug use. That's mainly only dangerous in the actual drug use anyways. Especially since it was her own personal drug use and not selling the drug. She was hanging out with OJ a lot after Nicole's death and he is a PROVEN drug user. So, sounds to me like she was just taking up for OJ.

i think coras main beef with Faye was the barhopping and pickling up men and regular freebasing. i think she did not see this as what nicole would normally do.

martin II

[weezer]

nope the hook chapter says charlie was standing next oj and grabbed him.
but no bloody foot prints by charlie.

if he went down the block and all around h he would have arrived at his door step much later than park said he did. how did he get from back by the swimming pool to where the glove was found?

it says oj stripped of everything But his SOCKS you cannot change what it says.

Park said he saw oj in black clothes NOT underwear.so did Park lie?

martin II

maybe 'charlie' was the 'other orenthal' -- you know, I can't believe I just did that! :eek: or, 'it wasn't me. it was charlie.' :shrug: my grandkids try to pull that sometimes even when caught redhanded like orenthal was.

here's my question: what makes you think the HOOK chapter wasn't orenthal/arnelle's idea?

[martin II]

tazzy
although cora had had a affair, i think when she saw nicole doing what she and Faye was doing she became concerned as this was not the lifestyle Nicole had lived before.

Remember nicole wrote Cora a personal letter (it was posted on a oj thread)complaining about the people that were comming to her house to see faye and she said she was not confortable/fearful of them. so it seems that she had reason to be concerned.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

i think coras main beef with Faye was the barhopping and pickling up men and regular freebasing. i think she did not see this as what nicole would normally do.

martin II

you miss the point. How would cora know? She wasn't around -- remember, she was busy sleeping the grocery boy and lying to her husband.

What do you think of a 'best friend' that would use Nicole the way cora did?

[martin II]

maybe 'charlie' was the 'other orenthal' -- you know, I can't believe I just did that! :eek: or, 'it wasn't me. it was charlie.' :shrug: my grandkids try to pull that sometimes even when caught redhanded like orenthal was.

here's my question: what makes you think the HOOK chapter wasn't orenthal/arnelle's idea?

i do not believe ARNELL had anything to so with the writing of the book.

i have posted my opinions on how the book was written and you still ask me question about who wrote it so you can bash Arnell again.

Please

martin II

[weezer]

tazzy
although cora had had a affair, i think when she saw nicole doing what she and Faye was doing she became concerned as this was not the lifestyle Nicole had lived before.

Remember nicole wrote Cora a personal letter (it was posted on a oj thread)complaining about the people that were comming to her house to see faye and she said she was not confortable/fearful of them. so it seems that she had reason to be concerned.
imo
martin II

cora hadn't 'had' an affair -- she was sleeping with the bag boy but I take it from your post that Nicole had not done the things before BUT cora had had other affairs and bag boys? Cora's concern should have been with her own family -- her own children.

The letter you post about has never been proven to have been written by Nicole.

[weezer]

i do not believe ARNELL had anything to so with the writing of the book.

i have posted my opinions on how the book was written and you still ask me question about who wrote it so you can bash Arnell again.

Please

martin II

arnelle said she pitched the idea of the book -- do you think SHE came up with telling the 'love story' of orenthal and Nicole?

[tazzybaby]

nope the hook chapter says charlie was standing next oj and grabbed him.
but no bloody foot prints by charlie.

if he went down the block and all around h he would have arrived at his door step much later than park said he did. how did he get from back by the swimming pool to where the glove was found?

it says oj stripped of everything But his SOCKS you cannot change what it says.

Park said he saw oj in black clothes NOT underwear.so did Park lie?

martin II

LOL! It also said that charlie was at the top of the stairs. that's not where the blood was. So, I still don't expect bloody foot prints by charlie.

I don't think he went down the block and all around...lol I think he walked the fence all the way down and then back up. That wouldn't take much longer. And, he wouldn't have been by the swimming pool he would have been behind the bungalows.

I don't think that it literally means EVERYTHING but his socks. But, if you want to use that as proof...lol...ok, fine. It only bolsters what I was already thinking and that's that he did take off his outter layer of clothing. That's why he was spotted wearing SHORT SLEEVES.

I don't think he would ever tell everything anyways. He has to keep it on the sly so he can continue to say he didn't do it. But, the evidence says something totally different.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy
although cora had had a affair, i think when she saw nicole doing what she and Faye was doing she became concerned as this was not the lifestyle Nicole had lived before.

Remember nicole wrote Cora a personal letter (it was posted on a oj thread)complaining about the people that were comming to her house to see faye and she said she was not confortable/fearful of them. so it seems that she had reason to be concerned.
imo
martin II


I get the "concern" from Cora as jealousy. Cora wasn't squeaky clean (as proof of the affair) and I believe she was jealous of Faye being around so much. There is nothing wrong with barhopping. It is quite frequently done when a woman is "free" or trying to become free. The "freebasing" was done by Faye. That is also frequent with that type of crowd and I don't think I've heard of any other celebrity murders because of drug debts or just doing drugs. Why wasn't Cora so concerned of OJ's dangerous lifestyle since he was the one who was actually doing the drugs by his own admission and the drug test? Why was she only concerned about Nicole? She had reason to be concerned of OJ. But, she wasn't. Hmmm...why?

[martin II]

you miss the point. How would cora know? She wasn't around -- remember, she was busy sleeping the grocery boy and lying to her husband.

What do you think of a 'best friend' that would use Nicole the way cora did?

she knew and her having the one affair did not make her dumb to what nicole was ding. cora did not tell on Nicole on some stuff just as nicole did not tell on her. one thing is for sure. There is sworn testimony on these issues and that is what i am posting .
Nicole wrote the letter to cora. That cannot be ignored.
martin II

[martin II]

I get the "concern" from Cora as jealousy. Cora wasn't squeaky clean (as proof of the affair) and I believe she was jealous of Faye being around so much. There is nothing wrong with barhopping. It is quite frequently done when a woman is "free" or trying to become free. The "freebasing" was done by Faye. That is also frequent with that type of crowd and I don't think I've heard of any other celebrity murders because of drug debts or just doing drugs. Why wasn't Cora so concerned of OJ's dangerous lifestyle since he was the one who was actually doing the drugs by his own admission and the drug test? Why was she only concerned about Nicole? She had reason to be concerned of OJ. But, she wasn't. Hmmm...why?

barhopping and picking up strange men is a dangerous lifestyle regardless of what you think. ANY Fee woman that does that is living a dangerous lifestyle.
imo.

[martin II]

I get the "concern" from Cora as jealousy. Cora wasn't squeaky clean (as proof of the affair) and I believe she was jealous of Faye being around so much. There is nothing wrong with barhopping. It is quite frequently done when a woman is "free" or trying to become free. The "freebasing" was done by Faye. That is also frequent with that type of crowd and I don't think I've heard of any other celebrity murders because of drug debts or just doing drugs. Why wasn't Cora so concerned of OJ's dangerous lifestyle since he was the one who was actually doing the drugs by his own admission and the drug test? Why was she only concerned about Nicole? She had reason to be concerned of OJ. But, she wasn't. Hmmm...why?

i think she was concerned about both as she had suggested to both that
they move from Brentwood to Florida.

martin II

[martin II]

LOL! It also said that charlie was at the top of the stairs. that's not where the blood was. So, I still don't expect bloody foot prints by charlie.

I don't think he went down the block and all around...lol I think he walked the fence all the way down and then back up. That wouldn't take much longer. And, he wouldn't have been by the swimming pool he would have been behind the bungalows.

I don't think that it literally means EVERYTHING but his socks. But, if you want to use that as proof...lol...ok, fine. It only bolsters what I was already thinking and that's that he did take off his outter layer of clothing. That's why he was spotted wearing SHORT SLEEVES.

I don't think he would ever tell everything anyways. He has to keep it on the sly so he can continue to say he didn't do it. But, the evidence says something totally different.


ok well you can change whatever is in the book that you don't agree with.

that would be your opinions.that is what we are all doing other than testimony and some of that may not be accurate.


why did Nicole write that letter to Cora about FAYE??

imo
martin Ii

[martin II]

tazzy hi
here is more of Coras testimony.civil trial i think this is petrocelli.
a man saying Nicole solicitated him.
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Q: What did [Name Deleted] say in response to Nicole's solicitation?

A: He was embarrassed.

Q: What did he tell you that he said?

A: She [sic] said, "Have you guys done" -- "have you guys done it with another woman?"

And [Name Deleted] said they were embarrassed when Nicole asked that question, and he says, "With whom?" [Name Deleted] said, "With whom?" He says, "With Cora?"

And then Nicole said, "No, not with Cora. With Faye Resnick," and that's why [Name Deleted] asked me who Faye Resnick is.

And then -- so when I described to him Faye Resnick, he says, "No, no, no," he says, "Cora doesn't do those things," and --

THE REP0RTER: I'm sorry. I can't hear the "he says" or "she says." You're dropping your voice.

(Record read.)

THE WITNESS: No. When [Name Deleted] said, "With Cora?" because -- you know, because Nicole and I go to Starbucks coffee a lot after our run, and Nicole said, "No, Cora doesn't do those things. With Faye Resnick." And so that was it, you know.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: So did Keller tell you whether they went through with this?

A: No.

Q: Did --

A: Then Nicole apologized to them. She said, "Oh, I'm sorry," you know, "I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassing myself. I'm sorry," and that was it.

Q: Did Keller tell you whether Nicole's comments were directed to him or to Ron Goldman?

A: That I don't know. He didn't specify that. It was pretty much, you know, the three of them having conversation.

Q: And you said you had already heard that from Nicole before she died. Right?

A: Yes, she told me.

Q: How many times?

MR. KRAMER: You are asking how many times did this topic come up?

MR. PETROCELLI: Yes.

THE WITNESS: I don't remember. Once, twice.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: Just relate the conversations to me.

A: Nicole told me that she did -- she did it with Faye and another guy, and Faye told me after Nicole died, because I wanted answers, I wanted to know if that really happened, and Faye confirmed it.

Q: Confirmed it?

A: Well, she told me. She told me the same thing what Nicole told me.

Q: Okay. When did Nicole tell you this? Give me a date.

A: I would say around April, late April.

Q: '94?

A: '94.

Q: Where were you and Nicole when you had this conversation?

A: Starbucks.

Q: Just the two of you?

A: Yes.

Q: And was this after her trip to Cabo?

A: Yes.

Q: Was Mr. Simpson in Puerto Rico at the time?

A: Yes. No. They all went to Cabo, and then -- they all went to Cabo, and then he -- I think he went home -- I don't know. I think he went -- probably he went to Puerto Rico at the time.

[weezer]

she knew and her having the one affair did not make her dumb to what nicole was ding. cora did not tell on Nicole on some stuff just as nicole did not tell on her. one thing is for sure. There is sworn testimony on these issues and that is what i am posting .
Nicole wrote the letter to cora. That cannot be ignored.
martin II

what makes you think she had 'one' affair? and, since she was predisposed with the grocery boy, don't you think her interactions and thoughts would have been elsewhere? While you're posting the sworn testimony, how about posting cora's testimony that Nicole told her orenthal said he would kill her (Nicole) and that at the end of her life, the only human Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

Link verifying the letter was written by Nicole to cora, please.

[tazzybaby]

ok well you can change whatever is in the book that you don't agree with.

that would be your opinions.that is what we are all doing other than testimony and some of that may not be accurate.


why did Nicole write that letter to Cora about FAYE??

imo
martin Ii


Please provide a link that PROVES that Nicole wrote the note. You can't because it is speculation. So, don't use it as the truth.

To say that her barhopping is dangerous is a stretch. Picking up strange men is not the wisest choice but not necessarily dangerous. And, how do you know she actually picked them up? And, how do you know that they weren't already known by someone else? That's a little different. The people that she dated were known by other people she knew. And, how is that any different than what OJ did? He was getting hooked up by Kato? Or trying to. He didn't know her. That makes her a strange woman. You're trying to make it seem worse than what it was.

I don't think the note is proof that she was leading a "dangerous lifestyle". She didn't like some of the people that Faye hung out with because they scared her according to the note. But, in looking back at the thread regarding the note I see that you didn't really belive the source so you seemed to discount the note anyways.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=275455

[martin II]

what makes you think she had 'one' affair? and, since she was predisposed with the grocery boy, don't you think her interactions and thoughts would have been elsewhere? While you're posting the sworn testimony, how about posting cora's testimony that Nicole told her orenthal said he would kill her (Nicole) and that at the end of her life, the only human Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

Link verifying the letter was written by Nicole to cora, please.

someone else poster the letter here so why ask me for the link.
if i remember correctly someone got the letter from Mario and posted it here
and it was discussed.
The letter did talk about Faye being at Nicole house and we all know that was true.

Maby tazzy knows as she does have a lot of info on Mario.
martin II

[martin II]

Please provide a link that PROVES that Nicole wrote the note. You can't because it is speculation. So, don't use it as the truth.

To say that her barhopping is dangerous is a stretch. Picking up strange men is not the wisest choice but not necessarily dangerous. And, how do you know she actually picked them up? And, how do you know that they weren't already known by someone else? That's a little different. The people that she dated were known by other people she knew. And, how is that any different than what OJ did? He was getting hooked up by Kato? Or trying to. He didn't know her. That makes her a strange woman. You're trying to make it seem worse than what it was.

I don't think the note is proof that she was leading a "dangerous lifestyle". She didn't like some of the people that Faye hung out with because they scared her according to the note. But, in looking back at the thread regarding the note I see that you didn't really belive the source so you seemed to discount the note anyways.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=275455


the note was posted by another poster. i don't remember who but it was discussed. some people believed it did not.
I think the letter came from mario. you have stated that you believe some of that he has claimed, do you believe this letter was real??"?
martin II

[martin II]

weezer
wukong posted the letter so why are asking me for proof of anything about the letter.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
here is more of Coras testimony.civil trial i think this is petrocelli.
a man saying Nicole solicitated him.
------------
Q: What did [Name Deleted] say in response to Nicole's solicitation?

A: He was embarrassed.

Q: What did he tell you that he said?

A: She [sic] said, "Have you guys done" -- "have you guys done it with another woman?"

And [Name Deleted] said they were embarrassed when Nicole asked that question, and he says, "With whom?" [Name Deleted] said, "With whom?" He says, "With Cora?"

And then Nicole said, "No, not with Cora. With Faye Resnick," and that's why [Name Deleted] asked me who Faye Resnick is.

And then -- so when I described to him Faye Resnick, he says, "No, no, no," he says, "Cora doesn't do those things," and --

THE REP0RTER: I'm sorry. I can't hear the "he says" or "she says." You're dropping your voice.

(Record read.)

THE WITNESS: No. When [Name Deleted] said, "With Cora?" because -- you know, because Nicole and I go to Starbucks coffee a lot after our run, and Nicole said, "No, Cora doesn't do those things. With Faye Resnick." And so that was it, you know.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: So did Keller tell you whether they went through with this?

A: No.

Q: Did --

A: Then Nicole apologized to them. She said, "Oh, I'm sorry," you know, "I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassing myself. I'm sorry," and that was it.

Q: Did Keller tell you whether Nicole's comments were directed to him or to Ron Goldman?

A: That I don't know. He didn't specify that. It was pretty much, you know, the three of them having conversation.

Q: And you said you had already heard that from Nicole before she died. Right?

A: Yes, she told me.

Q: How many times?

MR. KRAMER: You are asking how many times did this topic come up?

MR. PETROCELLI: Yes.

THE WITNESS: I don't remember. Once, twice.

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

Q: Just relate the conversations to me.

A: Nicole told me that she did -- she did it with Faye and another guy, and Faye told me after Nicole died, because I wanted answers, I wanted to know if that really happened, and Faye confirmed it.

Q: Confirmed it?

A: Well, she told me. She told me the same thing what Nicole told me.

Q: Okay. When did Nicole tell you this? Give me a date.

A: I would say around April, late April.

Q: '94?

A: '94.

Q: Where were you and Nicole when you had this conversation?

A: Starbucks.

Q: Just the two of you?

A: Yes.

Q: And was this after her trip to Cabo?

A: Yes.

Q: Was Mr. Simpson in Puerto Rico at the time?

A: Yes. No. They all went to Cabo, and then -- they all went to Cabo, and then he -- I think he went home -- I don't know. I think he went -- probably he went to Puerto Rico at the time.

Keller told Cora? So, Cora wasn't there? Sounds more like she was messing with them. Asking if they had been with another girl.

IF this is true, then okay, so this was at a regular hang out of theirs? And, Ron Goldman was part of the party. Those were people that they had seen regularly. You consider that dangerous, how? Because she could get aids? Is it dangerous because she was going to be with a guy and a girl? What makes that dangerous? Are you just trying to paint her as a **** by harping on the guys she was with? I'm trying to understand the exact way you're thinking. Explain to me what is dangerous about being permiscuous?

OJ should have been dead a long time ago if that's so dangerous (and a lot of other people too!)

:shrug:

[martin II]

what makes you think she had 'one' affair? and, since she was predisposed with the grocery boy, don't you think her interactions and thoughts would have been elsewhere? While you're posting the sworn testimony, how about posting cora's testimony that Nicole told her orenthal said he would kill her (Nicole) and that at the end of her life, the only human Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

Link verifying the letter was written by Nicole to cora, please.


WEEZER
i have posted testimony.If you say cora had one affair so that is proof that she had others then you can apply your thinking to everyone including NICOLE.

MARTIN ii

[tazzybaby]

the note was posted by another poster. i don't remember who but it was discussed. some people believed it did not.
I think the letter came from mario. you have stated that you believe some of that he has claimed, do you believe this letter was real??"?
martin II

Hi Martin,


I believe that Mario has inside information. I also trust Mario. I do not believe he would EVER mislead anyone intentionally. And, I also believe that he knows a lot more than you or I even thinks he knows. (lol...in a round about way) I do not know who the source of the letter is so I can't fully trust/distrust the letter. I do find it extremely odd that she would write her a letter since (as you even said) she saw her every morning when she jogged or she could have just called her. So, I'm kinda 50/50.

But, you are using it as some kind of proof now that Nicole was leading a dangerous life style. But, your postings then did not believe it. So, you're being kinda wishy washy here. You can't say that you don't believe it then turn around and use it as proof.

:no:

[martin II]

Keller told Cora? So, Cora wasn't there? Sounds more like she was messing with them. Asking if they had been with another girl.

IF this is true, then okay, so this was at a regular hang out of theirs? And, Ron Goldman was part of the party. Those were people that they had seen regularly. You consider that dangerous, how? Because she could get aids? Is it dangerous because she was going to be with a guy and a girl? What makes that dangerous? Are you just trying to paint her as a **** by harping on the guys she was with? I'm trying to understand the exact way you're thinking. Explain to me what is dangerous about being permiscuous?

OJ should have been dead a long time ago if that's so dangerous (and a lot of other people too!)

:shrug:

If this behavior is true and you don;t see anything dangerous about it that fine. I think there are many dangers for any women picking up strange men in bars. HIV & AIDS is just one. Men raping women is another. Men killing women is another.(happened to a young girl that went with a strange guy from a bar where i am)
MARTIN ii

[tazzybaby]

If this behavior is true and you don;t see anything dangerous about it that fine. I think there are many dangers for any women picking up strange men in bars. HIV & AIDS is just one. Men raping women is another. Men killing women is another.(happened to a young girl that went with a strange guy from a bar where i am)
MARTIN ii

But, they weren't complete strangers. They were people from the same scene as hers that she saw frequently. They were in a more high status scene than the average woman goes to. And, please, please tell me when she "picked up" a strange man in the bar? I mean tell me the instance and the name. That she didn't know the person or the people they hung out with.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,


I believe that Mario has inside information. I also trust Mario. I do not believe he would EVER mislead anyone intentionally. And, I also believe that he knows a lot more than you or I even thinks he knows. (lol...in a round about way) I do not know who the source of the letter is so I can't fully trust/distrust the letter. I do find it extremely odd that she would write her a letter since (as you even said) she saw her every morning when she jogged or she could have just called her. So, I'm kinda 50/50.

But, you are using it as some kind of proof now that Nicole was leading a dangerous life style. But, your postings then did not believe it. So, you're being kinda wishy washy here. You can't say that you don't believe it then turn around and use it as proof.

:no:

TAZZY HI
I referred to the letter because it has been posted here by wokung and discussed by many here perviously. Wukong said Mario posted it.
Since you believe a lot of what Mario says, Do you believe Nicole wrote the letter Wukong posted from Mario? or did mario make up the letter.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI
I referred to the letter because it has been posted here by wokung and discussed by many here perviously. Wukong said Mario posted it.
Since you believe a lot of what Mario says, Do you believe Nicole wrote the letter Wukong posted from Mario? or did mario make up the letter.
martin II

I answered that in my post??

:shrug:

[martin II]

But, they weren't complete strangers. They were people from the same scene as hers that she saw frequently. They were in a more high status scene than the average woman goes to. And, please, please tell me when she "picked up" a strange man in the bar? I mean tell me the instance and the name. That she didn't know the person or the people they hung out with.

tazzy hi

i poster coras testimony as she gave it in court. she did not give the details of who and where in her testimony so why ask me for something that was not testified to.
Are you suggesting that a high status scene pick up is less dangerous that a regular bar. hiv and aids people and killers/rapist only go to regular bars??
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

i poster coras testimony as she gave it in court. she did not give the details of who and where in her testimony so why ask me for something that was not testified to.
Are you suggesting that a high status scene pick up is less dangerous that a regular bar. hiv and aids people and killers/rapist only go to regular bars??
martin II

Well, the testimony that you gave does not show that she was picking up strangers in bars. So, that makes it even less "dangerous". It sounds more like she was flirting around.

Yes, I am suggesting that a high status scene is LESS dangerous than a regular bar as far as rapists and killers go. However, I understand and recognize that it could and does happen anywhere. The reason I say that is because the high status people who attend there are more visible than just a regular joe. Even though you may not know them they have a reputation and other people DO know them.

[martin II]

tazzy hi
i think cora loved nicole as a friend. i think she only became concerned when
she saw nicole's like style change after she became closer to faye. Most people knew Faye had a serious drug habit and very little money(see fays depo civil trial) and Cora did not approve of that part.imo

I think she was concerned about oj and nicole and that is why she suggested to both that they move to Florida and get away from Brentwood.

Martin II

[martin II]

Well, the testimony that you gave does not show that she was picking up strangers in bars. So, that makes it even less "dangerous". It sounds more like she was flirting around.

Yes, I am suggesting that a high status scene is LESS dangerous than a regular bar as far as rapists and killers go. However, I understand and recognize that it could and does happen anywhere. The reason I say that is because the high status people who attend there are more visible than just a regular joe. Even though you may not know them they have a reputation and other people DO know them.

tazzy hi
do you consider the MONKEY BAR a status bar. That is where Bret Canter worked when someone slit his neck right or was that another bar?
martin Ii

[weezer]

If this behavior is true and you don;t see anything dangerous about it that fine. I think there are many dangers for any women picking up strange men in bars. HIV & AIDS is just one. Men raping women is another. Men killing women is another.(happened to a young girl that went with a strange guy from a bar where i am)
MARTIN ii

did you know that orenthal was tested for HIV in his yearly exams?

[weezer]

tazzy hi
do you consider the MONKEY BAR a status bar. That is where Bret Canter worked when someone slit his neck right or was that another bar?
martin Ii

WTH :confused:

[weezer]

tazzy hi
i think cora loved nicole as a friend. i think she only became concerned when
she saw nicole's like style change after she became closer to faye. Most people knew Faye had a serious drug habit and very little money(see fays depo civil trial) and Cora did not approve of that part.imo

I think she was concerned about oj and nicole and that is why she suggested to both that they move to Florida and get away from Brentwood.

Martin II

i think cora was concerned about cora -- not her marriage, not her children, not her friend. And, I think you would have a better argument if you came up with someone besides the adulterer who was bedding the sack boy from the local grocery as your source of how someone should be living their life.

I've never understood how people equate Faye's drug use as a reason for Nicole's death. I mean, orenthal had drugs in his system the night of the murders -- so maybe he would have been involved in a bad drug deal but since Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems -- just doesn't make sense.

[Kate Sachel]

i think cora was concerned about cora -- not her marriage, not her children, not her friend. And, I think you would have a better argument if you came up with someone besides the adulterer who was bedding the sack boy from the local grocery as your source of how someone should be living their life.

I've never understood how people equate Faye's drug use as a reason for Nicole's death. I mean, orenthal had drugs in his system the night of the murders -- so maybe he would have been involved in a bad drug deal but since Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems -- just doesn't make sense.

I would tend to agree with your assesment of Cora. Cora immediately went on television in the wake of the murders to declare that Nicole had a lesbian encounter with Faye Resnick, and to also declare that Faye had attended Nicole's wake because she was having her hair done. What could the purpose have been for either statement? Jealousy is the first thought that crosses my mind.

Regardless of her feelings toward Faye, it was in bad taste and disrespectful of Nicole to have been telling the world of any of Nicole's sexual encounters on national television like that. It is one thing to disclose the personal situations of which you have knowledge when you are being asked or compelled to do so in a court of law, but to go on the gossip circuit immediately as she did was, in my opinion, disgusting.

Kate

[martin II]

i think cora was concerned about cora -- not her marriage, not her children, not her friend. And, I think you would have a better argument if you came up with someone besides the adulterer who was bedding the sack boy from the local grocery as your source of how someone should be living their life.

I've never understood how people equate Faye's drug use as a reason for Nicole's death. I mean, orenthal had drugs in his system the night of the murders -- so maybe he would have been involved in a bad drug deal but since Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems -- just doesn't make sense.

i think that nicole and ron not having drugs in their system means that they had not taken drugs in a period that would have been detected by a test.

I do not think that because Cora had a fling with the man that worked at a grocery store means that she was not a friend of nicoles and cared for her.
I don't think she lied on nicole in her testimony.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

i think cora was concerned about cora -- not her marriage, not her children, not her friend. And, I think you would have a better argument if you came up with someone besides the adulterer who was bedding the sack boy from the local grocery as your source of how someone should be living their life.

I've never understood how people equate Faye's drug use as a reason for Nicole's death. I mean, orenthal had drugs in his system the night of the murders -- so maybe he would have been involved in a bad drug deal but since Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems -- just doesn't make sense.

when Faye writes a book and testifies to all kinds of stuff about oj it is great and she is telling the truth. When Cora tells the truth about nicole it is jealously or lies.

imo
martin ii

[martin II]

did you know that orenthal was tested for HIV in his yearly exams?

weezer
what do you mean when you say oj was TESTED for hiv mean?

many people are TESTED for hiv.

Health official ask most people to be tested.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer

your comments about a "sack boy".

is there any differance in having a fling with a boy/man working at a grocery store than a man you meet for the first time at a hotel or a resturant. would it have been different if she had a fling with another doctor or a waiter in a resturant.
Does the mans occupation make the fling any better or worse?
martin II

[weezer]

i think that nicole and ron not having drugs in their system means that they had not taken drugs in a period that would have been detected by a test.

I do not think that because Cora had a fling with the man that worked at a grocery store means that she was not a friend of nicoles and cared for her.
I don't think she lied on nicole in her testimony.
imo
martin II

I think that Nicole and Ron not having drugs in their system means they weren't on drugs. I think that orenthal having drugs in his system means he was on drugs.

cora's fling was with the sack boy -- not a man that worked at a grocery store -- LOL. Most believe she was not a friend when she ran to the tv cameras and talked about Nicole's personal life even though Nicole had told her orenthal said he would kill her and even though she knew that the only human Nicole was afraid of at the end of her life was orenthal james simpson.

[weezer]

weezer

your comments about a "sack boy".

is there any differance in having a fling with a boy/man working at a grocery store than a man you meet for the first time at a hotel or a resturant. would it have been different if she had a fling with another doctor or a waiter in a resturant.
Does the mans occupation make the fling any better or worse?
martin II

I don't think you can call an adulterous affair a 'fling.' And, yes, it does make a difference when the person you are bedding is the boy who sacks groceries at your local store. imo

[martin II]

weezer

i think by most state law HIV testing is highly private and whether one is tested and the results are only given directly to the person tested not even to his doctor.

can you tell US where you got this info about oj being tested for HIV?

martin II

[martin II]

did you know that orenthal was tested for HIV in his yearly exams?


weezer

i have never heard that before.
i noticed you did not include a link to your claim.

PLEASE GIVE A LINK TO THIS CLAIM.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
what do you mean when you say oj was TESTED for hiv mean?

many people are TESTED for hiv.

Health official ask most people to be tested.

martin II

I'll look it up tonight and post the link. Wonder why he felt the need to be tested?

[weezer]

weezer

i think by most state law HIV testing is highly private and whether one is tested and the results are only given directly to the person tested not even to his doctor.

can you tell US where you got this info about oj being tested for HIV?

martin II

straight from 'bobble-head' himself!

[socaldiva]

*snip*
i think cora loved nicole as a friend.

If you love someone you respect their memory. You don't go on television & give out private details of their intimate lives. :no:

[martin II]

I don't think you can call an adulterous affair a 'fling.' And, yes, it does make a difference when the person you are bedding is the boy who sacks groceries at your local store. imo

ok adulterous affair/fling.

what is automatically wrong with the boy/man that sacks your groceries that would not be wrong with a stranger in a hotel or bar.

Cora said that this man gave her confort and understanding that she was not getting from her husband.

since you call this grocery man 'sack boy' can you tell me what his age was
at that time?

martin II

[socaldiva]

barhopping and picking up strange men is a dangerous lifestyle regardless of what you think. ANY Fee woman that does that is living a dangerous lifestyle.
imo.

What is a "Fee woman"? :confused:

As to the rest of your post, obviously a "strange man" from bar didn't murder Ron & Nicole.

How about Orenthal's dating habits? Was that dangerous?

[martin II]

weezer

it has been posted that Cora said nicole and Faye had had a lesbin encounter
with each other.
i had read about the threesomes with a man.

i am not sure i knew this or not but will look for it in her testimony. i never saw her tv interview with Barbara Walters so i don't know what she said in that interview.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

it has been posted that Cora said nicole and Faye had had a lesbin encounter
with each other.
i had read about the threesomes with a man.



What does this have to do with anything? It has no bearing on the murders. :no: :no:

[weezer]

weezer

it has been posted that Cora said nicole and Faye had had a lesbin encounter
with each other.
i had read about the threesomes with a man.

i am not sure i knew this or not but will look for it in her testimony. i never saw her tv interview with Barbara Walters so i don't know what she said in that interview.
martin II

did you get your charge out of being able to post that? you know, cora told that story and obviously cora is not someone to be trusted with the truth. cora jeopardized her marriage and her children in order to sleep with the sack boy but you think her story carries weight because she jogged with Nicole? GMAFB

[martin II]

did you get your charge out of being able to post that? you know, cora told that story and obviously cora is not someone to be trusted with the truth. cora jeopardized her marriage and her children in order to sleep with the sack boy but you think her story carries weight because she jogged with Nicole? GMAFB

look at my post i don't think i posted anything about the lesbin affair between faye and nicole. another poster did.

i am going to look for it in coras and fays testimony.
If true do you have a opinion about that?
martin II

[martin II]

did you get your charge out of being able to post that? you know, cora told that story and obviously cora is not someone to be trusted with the truth. cora jeopardized her marriage and her children in order to sleep with the sack boy but you think her story carries weight because she jogged with Nicole? GMAFB

weezer

you do have a way of leaving things out.i think her story has weight because
i believe she and nicole were close and other commentrs in the case supports her claims.seeFays demo.

according to testimony of cora

coras and nicoles kids visited and played with each other on a regular basis.
Cora sometines picked up nicoles kids to take them to and from school.
Nicole gave Cora a key to her house.
cora and nicole jogged sometime 2-3 times a day regularly.
Were regulars at strabucks for coffee and snacks.
cora and her husband were friends with nicole and oj.
cora only lived a few minutes from nicole.
Cora and nicole shared personal secrets and discussed personal problems
which leads me to believe that Nicole did write that letter to Cora.i don't know how Mario got his hands on it.
I believe nicole was fed up with Faye freebasing in her house where her kids lived and that may be why nicole and fays ex put Fay in that rehab.
i believe fay was telling a big lie when she said she was only freebasing $20.00 of coke a day.
martin II

[martin II]

straight from 'bobble-head' himself!

link please
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

you do have a way of leaving things out.i think her story has weight because
i believe she and nicole were close and other commentrs in the case supports her claims.seeFays demo.

according to testimony of cora

coras and nicoles kids visited and played with each other on a regular basis.
Cora sometines picked up nicoles kids to take them to and from school.
Nicole gave Cora a key to her house.
cora and nicole jogged sometime 2-3 times a day regularly.
Were regulars at strabucks for coffee and snacks.
cora and her husband were friends with nicole and oj.
cora only lived a few minutes from nicole.
Cora and nicole shared personal secrets and discussed personal problems
which leads me to believe that Nicole did write that letter to Cora.i don't know how Mario got his hands on it.
I believe nicole was fed up with Faye freebasing in her house where her kids lived and that may be why nicole and fays ex put Fay in that rehab.
i believe fay was telling a big lie when she said she was only freebasing $20.00 of coke a day.
martin II

I have to shake my head at your leap of faith! you believe they told each other personal secrets yet cora didn't know about orenthal had been convicted for abusing Nicole? Geez martin.

[weezer]

link please
martin II

you gotta wait until I get home.

[martin II]

did you get your charge out of being able to post that? you know, cora told that story and obviously cora is not someone to be trusted with the truth. cora jeopardized her marriage and her children in order to sleep with the sack boy but you think her story carries weight because she jogged with Nicole? GMAFB

weezer

IF Nicole and Faye WERE having a lesbin affair as the poster has reported i think that would be considerd a drastic change in lifestyle for nicole from Coras perspective because i have not read any claims on this subject when she was living with oj. I think most women would consider this a change
in their friends behavior.
martin II

[socaldiva]

weezer

IF Nicole and Faye WERE having a lesbin affair as the poster has reported i think that would be considerd a drastic change in lifestyle for nicole from Coras perspective because i have not read any claims on this subject when she was living with oj. I think most women would consider this a change
in their friends behavior.
martin II


I suppose next you will claim that she was killed by a lesbian :rolleyes:

Cora could have just been after her 15 minutes of fame :rolleyes:

[martin II]

you gotta wait until I get home.

ok

If you have to cook when you get home do it after that. ok. no rush.
smile.:cool:

martin II

[martin II]

I have to shake my head at your leap of faith! you believe they told each other personal secrets yet cora didn't know about orenthal had been convicted for abusing Nicole? Geez martin.

weezer

You do agree that the activities i posted between nicole and cora were true.

i think one of the problems about women and abuse is many women do not tell anyone about the abuse until something bad happens. like killing the husband as a result of his abuse.
At lease some have posted that here.

I think nicole knew Cora well and i think she did not tell her things she was doing that she knew cora did not approve of.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

You do agree that the activities i posted between nicole and cora were true.

i think one of the problems about women and abuse is many women do not tell anyone about the abuse until something bad happens. like killing the husband as a result of his abuse.
At lease some have posted that here.

I think nicole knew Cora well and i think she did not tell her things she was doing that she knew cora did not approve of.

martin II

I don't believe cora was Nicole's 'best' friend. I don't believe you use friends the way cora used Nicole to deceive her husband and I don't believe you run to the first camera and talk about your murdered friend's life. I believe cora would be a less than desirable person to be friends with and maybe that's why Nicole didn't tell her secrets?

how does "I think nicole knew Cora well and i think she did not tell her things she was doing that she knew cora did not approve of. figure in with not telling cora about orenthal's abuse?

[weezer]

weezer

IF Nicole and Faye WERE having a lesbin affair as the poster has reported i think that would be considerd a drastic change in lifestyle for nicole from Coras perspective because i have not read any claims on this subject when she was living with oj. I think most women would consider this a change
in their friends behavior.
martin II

I don't believe they were and there has been no evidence that they were -- just people who like to take any and every opportunity to bash the victims and/or famileis.

So, according to you, Nicole was sleeping with 7-8 men, doing drugs, carrying on a lesbian affair with faye, jogging 2-3 times a day, hanging out at starbucks drinking coffee and eating snacks, picking up strange guys at bars -- did I get everything?

[martin II]

I don't believe cora was Nicole's 'best' friend. I don't believe you use friends the way cora used Nicole to deceive her husband and I don't believe you run to the first camera and talk about your murdered friend's life. I believe cora would be a less than desirable person to be friends with and maybe that's why Nicole didn't tell her secrets?

how does "I think nicole knew Cora well and i think she did not tell her things she was doing that she knew cora did not approve of. figure in with not telling cora about orenthal's abuse?

weezer
i think nicole may have had 2-3 "best" friends. if you cannot ask your best friend to cover for your activity who do you ask? i always thought women
cover for each other if they are friends on stuff like that.

hell she only asked nicole to say she was with her that evening right?
i don't think nicole made it a habit of telling people that she was abused.most women don't tell their famalies. i think.
I think cora told nicole that she did not approve of faye and her activities.Faye had been kicked out by her ex and she had been living at nicoles and another friends house and she was broke(accoding to her depo)
most people in their circle knew faye was a freebaser.
question: when faye was at nicoles and at other friends house doing her thing, where were her kids.did she have her kids at nicoles?

martin II

[martin II]

I don't believe they were and there has been no evidence that they were -- just people who like to take any and every opportunity to bash the victims and/or famileis.

So, according to you, Nicole was sleeping with 7-8 men, doing drugs, carrying on a lesbian affair with faye, jogging 2-3 times a day, hanging out at starbucks drinking coffee and eating snacks, picking up strange guys at bars -- did I get everything?

no you got it wrong

not according to me. according to testimony.

it has been testified to that:
during the time of april 1993 when nicole was dating she dated the 7-8 men listed= coras testimony.

nicole and cora jogged 2-3 times a day= cora.
often time had coffee and snack after jogging at strabucks.= cora
picking up strangers at bars=cora and i think faye.

i think that cora and her husband had some friendly relationship with the browns.
cora said faye confirmed that nicole and faye had this affair.=cora and maby cici.
martin II

[weezer]

no you got it wrong

not according to me. according to testimony.

it has been testified to that:
during the time of april 1993 when nicole was dating she dated the 7-8 men listed= coras testimony.

nicole and cora jogged 2-3 times a day= cora.
often time had coffee and snack after jogging at strabucks.= cora
picking up strangers at bars=cora and i think faye.

i think that cora and her husband had some friendly relationship with the browns.
cora said faye confirmed that nicole and faye had this affair.=cora and maby cici.
martin II

look -- I'm not going to believe what cora had to say about any of this -- she betrayed her marriage and her family -- I don't put much stock in those kind of folks.

[Kate Sachel]

weezer
i think nicole may have had 2-3 "best" friends. if you cannot ask your best friend to cover for your activity who do you ask? i always thought women
cover for each other if they are friends on stuff like that.

hell she only asked nicole to say she was with her that evening right?
i don't think nicole made it a habit of telling people that she was abused.most women don't tell their famalies. i think.
I think cora told nicole that she did not approve of faye and her activities.Faye had been kicked out by her ex and she had been living at nicoles and another friends house and she was broke(accoding to her depo)
most people in their circle knew faye was a freebaser.
question: when faye was at nicoles and at other friends house doing her thing, where were her kids.did she have her kids at nicoles?

martin II

Nicole advised Cora that she didn't condone adultery and did not want to cover for her and that was what brought on their falling out. My goodness, by the way some people talk I'd swear that having a same-sex sexual experience is illegal. Nicole, by Faye's account, had a one time sexual experience with Faye while Cora carried on an ongoing affair with the young grocery clerk. I think it's clear which is immoral. Though I suppose only if you're homophobic would you believe that one equals the other.

Franseca Resnick (Faye's only child) resided with her father Paul Resnick while Faye stayed with Nicole.

Kate

[martin II]

I don't believe they were and there has been no evidence that they were -- just people who like to take any and every opportunity to bash the victims and/or famileis.

So, according to you, Nicole was sleeping with 7-8 men, doing drugs, carrying on a lesbian affair with faye, jogging 2-3 times a day, hanging out at starbucks drinking coffee and eating snacks, picking up strange guys at bars -- did I get everything?

weezer

this is a discussion group about the two trials and people involved directly and indirectly. various witnesses testified about physical evidence and about OJ's, AC and people in OJ'S and other famalies and friendship lifestyles.

posting testimony about nicole and ron's lifestyle is not bashing anyone.
nicole was who she was. she had warts just like everyone else. I am not suggesting that she should have been killed for anything in her lifestyle.
she should not have been killed for any reason by anyone.

but her life style is open for discussion just like oj's is.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer

i think that people do what they like to do or what brings them pleasure.
when it come some relationships i think that sex plays a important role and in some instances can cause some to overlook status. There was something going on with Cora and this guy that caused her to be involved even though
he was as you say a "bag boy". cora and her husband were having problems
at this time also.imo
martin II

[martin II]

look -- I'm not going to believe what cora had to say about any of this -- she betrayed her marriage and her family -- I don't put much stock in those kind of folks.

weezer

IF cora said faye told her about this lesbin affair and IF Faye said it was true,
do you believe it happened?
martin II

[martin II]

look -- I'm not going to believe what cora had to say about any of this -- she betrayed her marriage and her family -- I don't put much stock in those kind of folks.

weezer
you mean if a woman has a outside affair she should just be considered
not truthful in every thing she does or says?

martin Ii

[martin II]

Coras testimony


A: The three of them.

Q: And when Faye told you that, did she indicate whether Nicole and she were joking about this or whether they were serious about this?

A: At that time I thought they were serious because they already have done it before with another guy, so...

Q: Now, you knew, of course, based on what Nicole herself had told you, that she had no sexual interest in Ron Goldman. Right?

A: Yes.

Q: So I assume --

A: No, she was not attracted to Ron Goldman.

Q: So I assume you didn't believe this story that you were being told.

Q: -- Nicole told her that Ron Goldman was on his way over to see her, Nicole?

A: Right.

Q: For what purpose?

A: They were giggling that they were gonna do it.

Q: That Nicole and Ron Goldman were going to have sex that evening?

A: I don't know if it was sex, but they said they were going to do it.

Q: What does "do it" mean? What is the "it"?

A: Well, if you think sex -- I don't know. I wasn't there.

Q: It's not what I think. What did you understand her to mean when she said that to you?

A: Well, what Faye told me was exactly what I told you, that they were going to do it that evening.

Q: What did you understand that to mean?

A: Probably they were going to have a -- they were going to have sex.

Q: Okay. And is that all that Faye told you?

A: She told me that Nicole was going to see if he's good --

Q: Good at sex?

A: Right, if he's good in bed. Then when she comes out of the rehab, that they were gonna do it.

Q: Who was going to do it?

A: She told me she was not attracted to Ron Goldman, but, you know --

Q: But what?

A: That "Ron keeps on verbally seducing me. I don't know what to do with him."

Q: Nicole told you that Ron kept verbally seducing her?

A: Right.

Q: When did Nicole tell you that?

A: Those weeks that Ron was calling him -- calling her. I'm sorry.

Q: What did Nicole tell you that Ron was saying to her?

A: I don't remember. I mean verbally seducing, you know, like she said, "I can't wait to be with you, both naked," and this and that, and Nicole was getting tickled by what Ron was telling her.

Q: Did Nicole tell you that she was changing her attitude towards Ron and that she was considering having a relationship with him?

A: No.

Q: Okay. So the last you knew is that she had no interest -- she was not attracted to him, as

you put it. Right?

[socaldiva]

This thread is titled "OJ's new book", yet Martin seems to want to turn in into a detailed discussion of sexual activity. :cuss:

[martin II]

oj in the book. did not discuss much of nicoles lifestyle if it did not relate to him and their long time relationship. This indicated to me that he was mostly interested in telling the love story of oj and nicole. without edit.

what i did realize is that he says he began to see drastic changes in nicole at about the same time cora and a few others noticed some change.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

i think by most state law HIV testing is highly private and whether one is tested and the results are only given directly to the person tested not even to his doctor.

can you tell US where you got this info about oj being tested for HIV?

martin II

As promised: Triumph of Justice; Petrocelli; p303:
"There was another part of the letter that was more telling to me. Simpson told Olson: '. . . Once again, you've been able to get the best deal in the world today for a celebrity endorsement. Every time I read about this crippled Bo Jackson, and not to mention Magic Johnson (incidentally, I've tested negative on all recent physical exams) getting paid millions for limited involvement it amazes me. . .'"

"We were never going to get those offensive remarks into evidence; even if he were joking, they were too inflammatory and prejudicial and not legally relevant. However, those words spoke volumes about the man O.J. Simpson really was. The 'clean-cut good guy' image cultivated over his lifetime was revealed as a false facade. The real O.J. Simpson was brutal, blithely calling Jackson a cripple and demeaning Johnson for being HIV-positive. He was not only a killer, Simpson was an ugly human being."

[socaldiva]

*snip* The real O.J. Simpson was brutal, blithely calling Jackson a cripple and demeaning Johnson for being HIV-positive. He was not only a killer, Simpson was an ugly human being."

I agree 100%. He was an ugly human being long before the murders & he continues to be one.:mad:

No doubt some here will be scrambling to defend his behavior and/or words ;)

[martin II]

As promised: Triumph of Justice; Petrocelli; p303:
"There was another part of the letter that was more telling to me. Simpson told Olson: '. . . Once again, you've been able to get the best deal in the world today for a celebrity endorsement. Every time I read about this crippled Bo Jackson, and not to mention Magic Johnson (incidentally, I've tested negative on all recent physical exams) getting paid millions for limited involvement it amazes me. . .'"

"We were never going to get those offensive remarks into evidence; even if he were joking, they were too inflammatory and prejudicial and not legally relevant. However, those words spoke volumes about the man O.J. Simpson really was. The 'clean-cut good guy' image cultivated over his lifetime was revealed as a false facade. The real O.J. Simpson was brutal, blithely calling Jackson a cripple and demeaning Johnson for being HIV-positive. He was not only a killer, Simpson was an ugly human being."

weezer
in order for this to be true and from bobble heads mouth you would have to present a tape or a written statement. Giving something from a book by Petrocelli is nothing but what petrocelli said.

Now as you may know millions of ordinary americans have been testing themselves for HIV as suggested by Health organizations as a means to prevent the spread this virus.

Exactly what was you motive or purpose for posting this claim by Petrocelli
that Petrocelli said he has a letter that oj said he had been tested.

Do you see something wrong or some moral problem for people that test for HIV??

MARTIN ii

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
in order for this to be true and from bobble heads mouth you would have to present a tape or a written statement. Giving something from a book by Petrocelli is nothing but what petrocelli said.

Now as you may know millions of ordinary americans have been testing themselves for HIV as suggested by Health organizations as a means to prevent the spread this virus.

Exactly what was you motive or purpose for posting this claim by Petrocelli
that Petrocelli said he has a letter that oj said he had been tested.

Do you see something wrong or some moral problem for people that test for HIV??

MARTIN ii

martin II

LOL -- don't get mad -- you're the one that insisted on the link.

I believe anyone at risk should certainly be tested. I didn't pass moral judgment on orenthal being tested -- I simply stated that he said he was.

[martin II]

LOL -- don't get mad -- you're the one that insisted on the link.

I believe anyone at risk should certainly be tested. I didn't pass moral judgment on orenthal being tested -- I simply stated that he said he was.

no one here is mad because you have not given proof of anything said by oj
about testing.

i did not expect you to post something petrocelli said as proof that oj said something..please.
so there is still no proof that oj said anything.

everyone should be tested as most people do not know if they are at risk or not. Arthur Ash was not considered to be at risk.
martin II

[martin II]

have you read anything indicating Faye was tested or ANYONE she had sex with.
martin II

[jotun]

Speaking of books, last time I counted Mark Fuhrman had authored 7. At least one of them made it to the New York Times bestseller list. He also has a radio program in Seattle & is often called upon to by Greta Van Susteren to offer his insight into current crimes. I bet all of those things aggrevate Simspon, considering next to no one wants to hear anything that comes out of his mouth :tongue:

All---IMO

Yes, fuhrman "authored" 1 book on the bestseller list-his ghostwritten O.J. BOOK. ALL the O.J.BOOKS were bestsellers. His other 6? were duds. He got his radio gig because of his O.J.fame.He is a PAID consultant for fox-news so Van Sustern has no choice but to have a man she despises on her show. Dr. Baden is called more often and welcomed.
Yes, O.J.is offended by the convicted liar and admited racist being PAID to be on tv.As are most decent people and many of the fox hosts.Take a good look at the expressions.
Most DO want to hear what comes out of O.J.'s mouth if only to be "outraged'.
Players are still 'BASKING' in the
O.J. SPOTLIGHT!!!

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

All---IMO

Yes, fuhrman "authored" 1 book on the bestseller list-his ghostwritten O.J. BOOK. ALL the O.J.BOOKS were bestsellers. His other 6? were duds. He got his radio gig because of his O.J.fame.He is a PAID consultant for fox-news so Van Sustern has no choice but to have a man she despises on her show. Dr. Baden is called more often and welcomed.
Yes, O.J.is offended by the convicted liar and admited racist being PAID to be on tv.As are most decent people and many of the fox hosts.Take a good look at the expressions.
Most DO want to hear what comes out of O.J.'s mouth if only to be "outraged'.
Players are still 'BASKING' in the
O.J. SPOTLIGHT!!!

IMO


jotun

Unlike Orenthal, Mark Fuhrman didn't require a ghost writer. I believe you are confused. The foreward of 'Murder in Brentwood' was written by the esteemed Vincent Bugliosi, but that is not a ghost writer. His other 6 were not "duds". Murder in Greenwich was a best seller also & it spawned the Grand Jury Investigation that ultimately ended with Michael Shakel being arrested for Martha Moxley's murder some 20 yrs after the fact. How many books has Orenthal published? ONE! How many radio shows does he host? NONE. As for your ideas about Greta, that's laughable. Do you really think that she is going to have someone on her show that she "despises"? I guess you've never heard her speak relative to her thoughts on Mark Fuhrman. What Fox program is Orenthal on? ZERO. No one wants to hear from the double murderer & rightly so.

btw: Mark Fuhrman recently said that he will no longer deal with Harper Collins, because of their attempted publishing of Orenthal's shameful book.

[jotun]

No matter what you and Martin want to say....the FACT is that OJ signed a LEGAL and BINDING contract that he wrote the chapter and all others in the book with the HELP of a writer. There is no way around this FACT. The link has been provided. His signature is VERY visible on the same page. I understand that you both believe every word that OJ utters but you look so gullible when it is in black and white yet you still believe he didn't write it. If the writer would have wrote it himself he wouldn't have contradicted the known testimony. That is also a sign that OJ wrote it. That way he could come out and say...see, it wasn't me that's not even what the evidence said.

:no:

The other chapters in the book prove even more to me that he wrote it. The chapters do nothing but try to bolster the lies that he has told all along. It is rediculous that he would write such things when he has two children by Nicole. You two don't care about how things like this affect his children .. you only care about defending every breath he takes.

:rolleyes:

tazzy---All

O.J. didn't 'WRITE' any part of that book.O.J.met and talked with the tabloid
ghostwriter Pablo Fenjves,who said he TAPED every session with O.J. Then Fenjves wrote the text.The completed chapters were sent one by one to and signed by O.J.then sent back.
All chapters had been completed when the final chapter was discussed. Heard the O.J.radio interview from Fla.and read the AP interview !!! Fenjves said Regan said this is to be a confession. O.J.told him "I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS".
Long story short,that is how that chapter became a hypothecial.

I undestand that O.J.signed a contract. Never disputed that fact.Otherwise there would be no book. But a ghost-writer doesn't 'HELP' write a book. He WRITES it then the 'AUTHOR' takes credit.
Most of the time the public it not aware that a professional writer wrote the book.ALL the O.J.Books have been ghostwritten except those by professional authors.The main reason Marcia Clark's was so long in coming was problems with the ghostwriters.Some ghostwriters are given credit on the covers like Johnnie's & Vanatter & Lange's. Did you really think ANY of these players 'WROTE' their books???

O.J. also didn't write his other 2 books
'Education of a Rich Rookie' or even 'I WANT TO TELL YOU'. Tho the last was totally O.J.'s WORDS compiled & written by L.Schiller.
Would imagine most of 'IF I DID IT' is also except for the 'Night in Question'.
Tho I have found many factual errors. If I know different surely O.J. does.Alot of it doesn't sound like O.J. Fenjves surely tried to capture the essence of O.J. but being a tabloid writer,that's the way the whole book comes-off. Reads like a TABLOID.
Of course he could have backed-out when he didn't like what was being done. Kato & Marquerite both had disputes with the ghostwriter and backed-out.

Sorry you are wrong. I care very much about all 4 of O.J.'s ADULT KIDS. These kids wanted this book and the money until this 'confession' came up. O.J.said "this house celebrated when it was cancelled" All these kids knew ALL THIS & MORE about Nicole, as did we for years.O.J.talked about most in interviews, his depo etc.
This book has been a nightmare for everyone.

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun

[Theorist]

Go to QuestionableBehavior.com (http://QuestionableBehavior.com) and check out the dish on OJ's book and the fact that he got booted out of a steakhouse for writing it!

[socaldiva]

I'd say all of Orenthal's behavior is 'questionable' :D

[martin II]

Go to QuestionableBehavior.com (http://QuestionableBehavior.com) and check out the dish on OJ's book and the fact that he got booted out of a steakhouse for writing it!

how old is the writer of this 'STORY"
MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

how old is the writer of this 'STORY"
MARTIN ii

I don't know, but they sure seem to have 'OLDJ' pegged :lol:

[tv]

All---IMO

Yes, fuhrman "authored" 1 book on the bestseller list-his ghostwritten O.J. BOOK. ALL the O.J.BOOKS were bestsellers. His other 6? were duds. He got his radio gig because of his O.J.fame.He is a PAID consultant for fox-news so Van Sustern has no choice but to have a man she despises on her show. Dr. Baden is called more often and welcomed.
Yes, O.J.is offended by the convicted liar and admited racist being PAID to be on tv.As are most decent people and many of the fox hosts.Take a good look at the expressions.
Most DO want to hear what comes out of O.J.'s mouth if only to be "outraged'.
Players are still 'BASKING' in the
O.J. SPOTLIGHT!!!

IMO

jotun
Why compare how often Mark Fuhrman and Dr. Baden are on Greta's show? Mark Fuhrman comments on police procedure and criminal invesigations; Dr. Baden is a forensic pathologist. That's apples and oranges.

IMO, the reason OJ is mad about Mark Fuhrman being on TV is because he's not making any money from being involved in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman...unless you want to count the slasher conventions and that shameful piece of garbage that he tried to peddle as a love story. :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

Why compare how often Mark Fuhrman and Dr. Baden are on Greta's show? Mark Fuhrman comments on police procedure and criminal invesigations; Dr. Baden is a forensic pathologist. That's apples and oranges.

IMO, the reason OJ is mad about Mark Fuhrman being on TV is because he's not making any money from being involved in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman...unless you want to count the slasher conventions and that shameful piece of garbage that he tried to peddle as a love story. :rolleyes:

Great points! :beer:

[tv]

Great points! :beer:Thanks! :beer:

[martin II]

Why compare how often Mark Fuhrman and Dr. Baden are on Greta's show? Mark Fuhrman comments on police procedure and criminal invesigations; Dr. Baden is a forensic pathologist. That's apples and oranges.

IMO, the reason OJ is mad about Mark Fuhrman being on TV is because he's not making any money from being involved in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman...unless you want to count the slasher conventions and that shameful piece of garbage that he tried to peddle as a love story. :rolleyes:

I am not sure OJ is concerned about Furhman at all as i have not read any comments form him on the subject.

If he is he may have the same opinion about furhman as Chris Darden who stated that when he sees how furhman has been accepted by some media
and the public recently it make him want to vomit.

imo
martin II

[tv]

I am not sure OJ is concerned about Furhman at all as i have not read any comments form him on the subject.

If he is he may have the same opinion about furhman as Chris Darden who stated that when he sees how furhman has been accepted by some media
and the public recently it make him want to vomit.

imo
martin II
If Mark Fuhrman makes Chris Darden want to vomit then so be it. :shrug: Who cares? I really liked and respected Mr. Darden during the criminal trial but then I read your post about him saying that he thinks what Mark Fuhrman did is worse than what OJ Simpson did and I have to wonder where his priorities are...certainly not where they should be in my opinion.

Two people were slaughtered like animals in the prime of their lives. It doesn't get much worse than that.

[martin II]

If Mark Fuhrman makes Chris Darden want to vomit then so be it. :shrug: Who cares? I really liked and respected Mr. Darden during the criminal trial but then I read your post about him saying that he thinks what Mark Fuhrman did is worse than what OJ Simpson did and I have to wonder where his priorities are...certainly not where they should be in my opinion.

Two people were slaughtered like animals in the prime of their lives. It doesn't get much worse than that.

tv
i am assumming that you may not have seen any of Dardens Oprah interviews that have been aired maby two three times.if you had i think you would appreciate his comments on Furhman.
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
you mean if a woman has a outside affair she should just be considered
not truthful in every thing she does or says?

martin Ii

I think anyone that betrays their marriage vows and puts their children at risk should not be considered for anything. cora is a self-admitted adulterer who abused her friendship with Nicole.

How trusting would you be of your wife if you knew she was/had an affair? How truthful would you consider her to be?

[martin II]

jotun
Remember the geraldo interview of Vanhatter and Lang when he patched Furhman in. Both were very critical of Furhman on the issue of who found what.(evidence0 Vanhatter and Lang just basically said furhman was not being truthful in his book on those issues. They had something of a screaming match or strong dissagreement. imo
Vanhatter talked about that knife box furhman had been talking about and said it had no importance whatsoever to the case.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

I think anyone that betrays their marriage vows and puts their children at risk should not be considered for anything. cora is a self-admitted adulterer who abused her friendship with Nicole.

How trusting would you be of your wife if you knew she was/had an affair? How truthful would you consider her to be?

If we lived by your rules we would be tossing a lot of people on the do not believe pile. I think people make mistakes in relationships.I also think people become involved in extra relationships for a whole hoast of personal reasons which the piblic is ignorant of. i don't see Coras affair/fling with this man as meaning she should never be believed on any subject by anyone by anymore.
imo

martin II

[weezer]

If we lived by your rules we would be tossing a lot of people on the do not believe pile. I think people make mistakes in relationships.I also think people become involved in extra relationships for a whole hoast of personal reasons which the piblic is ignorant of. i don't see Coras affair/fling with this man as meaning she should never be believed on any subject by anyone by anyone.
imo

martin II

If we lived by my rules, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :tongue:

I understand that there are people who accept adultery, abuse and murder -- I just don't happen to be one of them. I believe people either do or do not have a moral compass. cora and orenthal obviously lack that -- imo

[tazzybaby]

weezer
in order for this to be true and from bobble heads mouth you would have to present a tape or a written statement. Giving something from a book by Petrocelli is nothing but what petrocelli said.

*snip*

MARTIN ii

martin II

Martin, this can be true about anyone's testimony also. (although I would believe Petrocelli over others) Cora for example. I believe that Cora's testimony was tainted because she was canoodling with OJ. Not just still talking to him and allowing the children to play together. She was actually vacationing with him and staying at the house WITH the kids while they were playing. Why? It was rumored that they were having an affair. IMO a "best" friend would not canoodle with someone who could have possibly killed the friend. Especially knowing that Nicole was afraid of OJ. I saw Cora on TV and didn't think of her as a "best" friend when she was telling tabloid type tale's regarding Nicole right after the deaths.

IMO Cora's testimony seemed to me that she was trying to protect OJ.

[martin II]

If we lived by my rules, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :tongue:

I understand that there are people who accept adultery, abuse and murder -- I just don't happen to be one of them. I believe people either do or do not have a moral compass. cora and orenthal obviously lack that -- imo

if you are referring to me i have not said i accept abuse and murder.(you may be streatching there) i don't think that people that get involved in affairs should be dropped out of the society by some hard and fast rule made by some outsiders that think they can judge people on personal issues.
Example; What would we do with all the politicians, presidents etc

That is my opinion.

martin II

[tv]

tv
i am assumming that you may not have seen any of Dardens Oprah interviews that have been aired maby two three times.if you had i think you would appreciate his comments on Furhman.
martin IINo, I haven't seen any of the Oprah interviews with Chris Darden. I was going by what you said CD said about Mark Fuhrman. If the comment was taken out of context please give me the context. :)

[martin II]

Martin, this can be true about anyone's testimony also. (although I would believe Petrocelli over others) Cora for example. I believe that Cora's testimony was tainted because she was canoodling with OJ. Not just still talking to him and allowing the children to play together. She was actually vacationing with him and staying at the house WITH the kids while they were playing. Why? It was rumored that they were having an affair. IMO a "best" friend would not canoodle with someone who could have possibly killed the friend. Especially knowing that Nicole was afraid of OJ. I saw Cora on TV and didn't think of her as a "best" friend when she was telling tabloid type tale's regarding Nicole right after the deaths.

IMO Cora's testimony seemed to me that she was trying to protect OJ.

tazzy hi
i read Coras testimony on that trip with the kids and and i did not get the same impression you seemed to get. Cora said she had ideas that oj could have done it but in the end she did not believe oj was guilty because of the trial. there is no reason for her not to continue to support their childrens friendship (as she and nicole had talked about)and be casually friends with oj. Nothing became of this 'INVOLVEMENT" as some call it after the trial.imo
martin Ii

[tv]

jotun
Remember the geraldo interview of Vanhatter and Lang when he patched Furhman in. Both were very critical of Furhman on the issue of who found what.(evidence0 Vanhatter and Lang just basically said furhman was not being truthful in his book on those issues. They had something of a screaming match or strong dissagreement. imo
Vanhatter talked about that knife box furhman had been talking about and said it had no importance whatsoever to the case.
imo
martin IIHow come VanNatter and Lange have credibility when opposing Mark Fuhrman but are not to be believed about other pieces of evidence in the case such as chain of custody involving OJ Simpson's blood sample?

[martin II]

No, I haven't seen any of the Oprah interviews with Chris Darden. I was going by what you said CD said about Mark Fuhrman. If the comment was taken out of context please give me the context. :)

Darden said that he had heard rumors about Furhman (negative) and so had Marcia. That there were bad signs about him. That he and Marcia had given Furhman plenty of opportunity to come clean. One Sign was when it came time for the prosecution to plan who was going to handel who(witnesses)
Furhman said he did not want Darden to handle him.(black prosecutor)That is why marcia did it.
That furhman did great harm to the case as he never told marcia or darden about his past racial problems in the department. )He may have been talking about furhmans statement when he was seeking the retirement and made those racist remarks also)
He never told them about those tapes.

Darden said that he had no idea about the N and first heard about is from furhmans mouth on the stand.

He believes that Furhmans should have come clean before the trial so as to allow the prosecution to plan their case around him and his comments.
But he did not do that and their case took a very big hit as a result.
Darden is still pissed. He said one cannot be a friend of his if one is a friend of furhman.imo

martin II

[weezer]

if you are referring to me i have not said i accept abuse and murder.(you may be streatching there) i don't think that people that get involved in affairs should be dropped out of the society by some hard and fast rule made by some outsiders that think they can judge people on personal issues.
Example; What would we do with all the politicians, presidents etc

That is my opinion.

martin II

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular -- it was a general statement. I did not say that adulterers 'should be dropped out of the society' -- I said I would not trust anyone who would betray their marriage and put their children at risk. These are my personal feelings. I have friends and family that have been in that situation. Doesn't mean I don't still love/like them. It just means that I don't hold them in the same regard as I did or would have. imo

[martin II]

How come VanNatter and Lange have credibility when opposing Mark Fuhrman but are not to be believed about other pieces of evidence in the case such as chain of custody involving OJ Simpson's blood sample?

i was not aware of the anger that existed between Furhman and Vanhatter and Lang until this interview. Vanhhatter dissagreed when furhman said Brad roberts discovered the blood at rockingham and Vanhatter said he discovered
the samples in question.

My comments were directed and the Geraldo interview of these three.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy---All

O.J. didn't 'WRITE' any part of that book.O.J.met and talked with the tabloid
ghostwriter Pablo Fenjves,who said he TAPED every session with O.J. Then Fenjves wrote the text.The completed chapters were sent one by one to and signed by O.J.then sent back.
All chapters had been completed when the final chapter was discussed. Heard the O.J.radio interview from Fla.and read the AP interview !!! Fenjves said Regan said this is to be a confession. O.J.told him "I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS".
Long story short,that is how that chapter became a hypothecial.

I undestand that O.J.signed a contract. Never disputed that fact.Otherwise there would be no book. But a ghost-writer doesn't 'HELP' write a book. He WRITES it then the 'AUTHOR' takes credit.
Most of the time the public it not aware that a professional writer wrote the book.ALL the O.J.Books have been ghostwritten except those by professional authors.The main reason Marcia Clark's was so long in coming was problems with the ghostwriters.Some ghostwriters are given credit on the covers like Johnnie's & Vanatter & Lange's. Did you really think ANY of these players 'WROTE' their books???

O.J. also didn't write his other 2 books
'Education of a Rich Rookie' or even 'I WANT TO TELL YOU'. Tho the last was totally O.J.'s WORDS compiled & written by L.Schiller.
Would imagine most of 'IF I DID IT' is also except for the 'Night in Question'.
Tho I have found many factual errors. If I know different surely O.J. does.Alot of it doesn't sound like O.J. Fenjves surely tried to capture the essence of O.J. but being a tabloid writer,that's the way the whole book comes-off. Reads like a TABLOID.
Of course he could have backed-out when he didn't like what was being done. Kato & Marquerite both had disputes with the ghostwriter and backed-out.

Sorry you are wrong. I care very much about all 4 of O.J.'s ADULT KIDS. These kids wanted this book and the money until this 'confession' came up. O.J.said "this house celebrated when it was cancelled" All these kids knew ALL THIS & MORE about Nicole, as did we for years.O.J.talked about most in interviews, his depo etc.
This book has been a nightmare for everyone.

IMO-IMO-IMO

jotun

I am impressed with your post.

Yes, there was a writer who helped him. I have never disputed that. I know that there was no way that OJ wrote any book without help. But, he is definately responsible for anything in the book because whether he wrote every word or dictated every word or tape recorded every word or didn't, he gave his approval. Not all ghost writers write the entire book. There are writers who assist in writing the book. That is the way the contract reads. That OJ will write the book with the help of a writer. OJ cannot say now that he didn't write it. He said before that he was proud of the rest of the book because he put a lot of effort into it. I will never believe he didn't have a hand in the murder chapter. I believe that the "discrepancies" were put there on purpose. I also believe that OJ should have pulled out if he didn't agree with the chapter.

I am glad to know that I am wrong regarding your feelings towards OJ's kids. Because it wasn't coming across that way. However, Arnelle said in her deposition that Sydney and Justin were not for it in the beginning and as I have stated before it should have never went any further. Arnelle came across very bad in her deposition. It was all about money for her and this wasn't even her mother. OJ's words regarding tabloid type tales of Nicole mean nothing to me. And, I'm sure he has told his children these stretched tales many times. That's what's so sad. These children should be protected from these types of things...not, put in the position by their own family members to deal with them over and over and over.

IMO

[martin II]

tv

did you see the Geraldo interview of Vanhatter/Lang/furhman?

martin II

[martin II]

I am impressed with your post.

Yes, there was a writer who helped him. I have never disputed that. I know that there was no way that OJ wrote any book without help. But, he is definately responsible for anything in the book because whether he wrote every word or dictated every word or tape recorded every word or didn't, he gave his approval. Not all ghost writers write the entire book. There are writers who assist in writing the book. That is the way the contract reads. That OJ will write the book with the help of a writer. OJ cannot say now that he didn't write it. He said before that he was proud of the rest of the book because he put a lot of effort into it. I will never believe he didn't have a hand in the murder chapter. I believe that the "discrepancies" were put there on purpose. I also believe that OJ should have pulled out if he didn't agree with the chapter.

I am glad to know that I am wrong regarding your feelings towards OJ's kids. Because it wasn't coming across that way. However, Arnelle said in her deposition that Sydney and Justin were not for it in the beginning and as I have stated before it should have never went any further. Arnelle came across very bad in her deposition. It was all about money for her and this wasn't even her mother. OJ's words regarding tabloid type tales of Nicole mean nothing to me. And, I'm sure he has told his children these stretched tales many times. That's what's so sad. These children should be protected from these types of things...not, put in the position by their own family members to deal with them over and over and over.

IMO

TAZZY HI
There have been many books written and words attributed to a person that has been written by a another person that have been denied.happens all the time.
I think you may be giving more credit to ojs signed statement than it deserves. that was only a contract for legal requirements.

Faye in her depo had to deny some of the claims against oj in her book. she just put the blame on the writer/publisher.

martin II

[martin II]

I am impressed with your post.

Yes, there was a writer who helped him. I have never disputed that. I know that there was no way that OJ wrote any book without help. But, he is definately responsible for anything in the book because whether he wrote every word or dictated every word or tape recorded every word or didn't, he gave his approval. Not all ghost writers write the entire book. There are writers who assist in writing the book. That is the way the contract reads. That OJ will write the book with the help of a writer. OJ cannot say now that he didn't write it. He said before that he was proud of the rest of the book because he put a lot of effort into it. I will never believe he didn't have a hand in the murder chapter. I believe that the "discrepancies" were put there on purpose. I also believe that OJ should have pulled out if he didn't agree with the chapter.

I am glad to know that I am wrong regarding your feelings towards OJ's kids. Because it wasn't coming across that way. However, Arnelle said in her deposition that Sydney and Justin were not for it in the beginning and as I have stated before it should have never went any further. Arnelle came across very bad in her deposition. It was all about money for her and this wasn't even her mother. OJ's words regarding tabloid type tales of Nicole mean nothing to me. And, I'm sure he has told his children these stretched tales many times. That's what's so sad. These children should be protected from these types of things...not, put in the position by their own family members to deal with them over and over and over.

IMO

tazzy hi
i don;'t think anyone here has any accurate info on how nicoles children feel about her,oj or the book.

Some only think they should feel a certain way based on how 'SOME feel.
martin II

[martin II]

i saw a picture lately of Justin. he is a pretty big guy. tall and good looking.
big smile.

some people may be thinking of these kids as little people as they were
during the trial. they are not. Both are above 18.

martin II

[socaldiva]

i saw a picture lately of Justin. he is a pretty big guy. tall and good looking.
big smile.

some people may be thinking of these kids as little people as they were
during the trial. they are not. Both are above 18.

martin II

Being over 18 yrs of age doesn't mean that you would not still feel the pain of having had your Mother murdered & dear old Dad writing about how he "would" have killed her. It's appalling at any age. imo

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did you see the Geraldo interview of Vanhatter/Lang/furhman?

martin IINo, I didn't see it but I've known for a long time that there is some animosity between VanNatter/Lange and Fuhrman.

[martin II]

No, I didn't see it but I've known for a long time that there is some animosity between VanNatter/Lange and Fuhrman.

It was good that they were not in the same room during this interview as vanhatter was verry heated when furhman said he did not find the rockingham blood.

martin II

[tv]

It was good that they were not in the same room during this interview as vanhatter was verry heated when furhman said he did not find the rockingham blood.

martin III'm sorry I missed it. I have respect for all the detectives involved in the investigation and usually try to watch whenever they give interviews involving the case.

[William Anthony]

No, I didn't see it but I've known for a long time that there is some animosity between VanNatter/Lange and Fuhrman.

Very interesting. I wonder why?

[William Anthony]

I'm sorry I missed it. I have respect for all the detectives involved in the investigation and usually try to watch whenever they give interviews involving the case.

I do not believe that respect should be earned, but, that it should be given. However, I do believe one can loose another's respect and, imhotaac, I would never say that I respect "all the detectives in the investigation". However, this does not preclude others from respecting a convicted perjurer or someone who habors hatred against an entire race of people that are of a different color. Thank you for the post.

[socaldiva]

No, I didn't see it but I've known for a long time that there is some animosity between VanNatter/Lange and Fuhrman.

IIRC, part of that had to do with Mark Fuhrman saying that one or both of them neglected to thoroughly read his notes & that might have affected evidence collection.

[socaldiva]

I'm sorry I missed it. I have respect for all the detectives involved in the investigation and usually try to watch whenever they give interviews involving the case.

I have respect for them as well & I think they all did a fine job. Not a perfect job, but they got the job done & told the world who the murderer was. :patriot:

[William Anthony]

I can understand someone having respect for someone's performance, as I thought Charleton Heston was a fine actor. However, after hearing some of his comments I lost respect for him. I do not understand how some can so proudly waive the American Flag when the Premable to the Constitution goes against what the evidence showed, imhotaac, that one of the detectives did not honor or uphold. However, perhaps some have a different view than I do of what America should be, and to those I say you have a right to your opinion and to express it but not on a board where others will be inflamed or incited by it. Thus, I must report the post waving the flag, unless the poster will clarify by saying the post meant that they only respected the dectectives' performances. I think that unless this clarification is made many posters on this board will find the post offensive.

[martin II]

I do not believe that respect should be earned, but, that it should be given. However, I do believe one can loose another's respect and, imhotaac, I would never say that I respect "all the detectives in the investigation". However, this does not preclude others from respecting a convicted perjurer or someone who habors hatred against an entire race of people that are of a different color. Thank you for the post.



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I also find it odd that some women have a lot of respect or love for furhman.
The man that was a active participant in MAW men against women. A secret organizatrion in lapd dedicated to preventing women from keeping their jobs and making progreess in the lapd. IMO
I find that sad.

martin II

[weezer]

I can understand someone having respect for someone's performance, as I thought Charleton Heston was a fine actor. However, after hearing some of his comments I lost respect for him. I do not understand how some can so proudly waive the American Flag when the Premable to the Constitution goes against what the evidence showed, imhotaac, that one of the detectives did not honor or uphold. However, perhaps some have a different view than I do of what America should be, and to those I say you have a right to your opinion and to express it but not on a board where others will be inflamed or incited by it. Thus, I must report the post waving the flag, unless the poster will clarify by saying the post meant that they only respected the dectectives' performances. I think that unless this clarification is made many posters on this board will find the post offensive.

Are you kidding me?

[weezer]

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I also find it odd that some women have a lot of respect or love for furhman.
The man that was a active participant in MAW men against women. A secret organizatrion in lapd dedicated to preventing women from keeping their jobs and making progreess in the lapd. IMO
I find that sad.

martin II

I think there are more of us that find it sad that a double murderer is walking free and there are people on this Board that disparage innocent victims, families and witnesses in order to defend him. IMO

[William Anthony]

Are you kidding me?

Not at all, when the American flag and the values it stood for I and others spent portions of their lives defending, even though I may not have believed that America lived up to its true potential. I can understand someone respecting their performance, human error and mistakes, but cannot understand the waiving of the flag for a convicted perjurer and one who did not uphold the Constitution. I find this offensive, inflamatory and insensitive, among other things, and simply requested a clarification.

[martin II]

I am impressed with your post.

Yes, there was a writer who helped him. I have never disputed that. I know that there was no way that OJ wrote any book without help. But, he is definately responsible for anything in the book because whether he wrote every word or dictated every word or tape recorded every word or didn't, he gave his approval. Not all ghost writers write the entire book. There are writers who assist in writing the book. That is the way the contract reads. That OJ will write the book with the help of a writer. OJ cannot say now that he didn't write it. He said before that he was proud of the rest of the book because he put a lot of effort into it. I will never believe he didn't have a hand in the murder chapter. I believe that the "discrepancies" were put there on purpose. I also believe that OJ should have pulled out if he didn't agree with the chapter.

I am glad to know that I am wrong regarding your feelings towards OJ's kids. Because it wasn't coming across that way. However, Arnelle said in her deposition that Sydney and Justin were not for it in the beginning and as I have stated before it should have never went any further. Arnelle came across very bad in her deposition. It was all about money for her and this wasn't even her mother. OJ's words regarding tabloid type tales of Nicole mean nothing to me. And, I'm sure he has told his children these stretched tales many times. That's what's so sad. These children should be protected from these types of things...not, put in the position by their own family members to deal with them over and over and over.

IMO

tazzy hi
to be accurate i think Arnell said that in the beginnig the subject was put to the kids in a very informal manner as that were more involved in their teenager things life. It was not like a formal meeting where everything was spelled out to them.
Later when they had time to think about and have a more formal discussion about all the aspects of the issue they all agreed that they wanted to be involved.

on another issue.

Whatever was going on at nicoles Greta Green and Bundy houses, her kids were in a perfect position to see and know.
If you read the court appointed investigators report in the custody case as to why he did not believe the browns house was a positive or good place (dont remember the exact wording) for the kids, it give some of the reasoning as to why he decided in favor oj having custody.
It is also reported that when Sydeny went to ca for summer break she did not visit the browns and the browns did not come to Florida to her graduation. All of this cannot be oj's fault. i don't think.
They are both past 18 and i am sure making many of their own decisions.
martin II

[weezer]

tazzy hi
to be accurate i think Arnell said that in the beginnig the subject was put to the kids in a very informal manner as that were more involved in their teenager things life. It was not like a formal meeting where everything was spelled out to them.
Later when they had time to think about and have a more formal discussion about all the aspects of the issue they all agreed that they wanted to be involved.

on another issue.

Whatever was going on at nicoles Greta Green and Bundy houses, her kids were in a perfect position to see and know.
If you read the court appointed investigators report in the custody case as to why he did not believe the browns house was a positive or good place (dont remember the exact wording) for the kids, it give some of the reasoning as to why he decided in favor oj having custody.
It is also reported that when Sydeny went to ca for summer break she did not visit the browns and the browns did not come to Florida to her graduation. All of this cannot be oj's fault. i don't think.
They are both past 18 and i am sure making many of their own decisions.
martin II

I've never seen 'the court appointed investigators report' -- please post a link to support your interpretation of the report.

[martin II]

I think there are more of us that find it sad that a double murderer is walking free and there are people on this Board that disparage innocent victims, families and witnesses in order to defend him. IMO

If you see nothing wrong with Furhmans participation in MAW so be it.

Since it was a organization set up to harm women in the general work place, some may call MAW a secret organization set up to ABUSE women.imo
martin II

[martin II]

I've never seen 'the court appointed investigators report' -- please post a link to support your interpretation of the report.

i am discussing information reported in various tv interviews and media reports coverning the custrody case when it was current. i do not have the report to give you but what i have posted was discussed in the media when the custady case was being desided.

i am surprised that you have never heard about this custody case decision.

i can try to see if i can find someting in google and will let you know if i find anything.imo
martin II

[martin II]

This is not the official court doc. you requested but it is a report of the issues in the custody case and the reasoning behind the judges decision.
I noted the judges comments about the abuse claim by the Browns.thst is interesting don;t you think?
another issue is the court found a strong connection from the kids to oj and asked to live with him as oposssed to the browns.

martin II
http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/simpson/updates/dec20b.html

[martin II]

i am not sure but this(ABOVE) decision may be the one that was reversed on appeal.
i know oj lost one appeal.
However there must have been a case after this that rejected the browns guardianship and gave the kids to ok.

[socaldiva]

If you see nothing wrong with Furhmans participation in MAW so be it.

Since it was a organization set up to harm women in the general work place, some may call MAW a secret organization set up to ABUSE women.imo
martin II

"some may call MAW a secret organization set up to ABUSE women"? Orenthal is KNOWN to have beat and cheat on his wife, yet you constantly defend him. There is hardly a comparison. MF has not been reported to have done anything to break the law or harm anyone in any fashion in more than a decade. You can't say the same for Orenthal. Some people do evolve & change, but Simpson isn't one of of them. He's probably a narcissistic sociopath :(

[martin II]

TAZZY HI


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/212159.stm



But the Browns appealed, and the court has concluded that the earlier decision was wrong, grossly unfair and that a new hearing should take place.

"It was manifestly unfair [to the Browns] to preclude them from introducing any evidence concerning the murder," the appeals court said, and it also criticised the judge for refusing to consider evidence of domestic violence by Simpson before the murders.

But Marjorie Fuller, the court-appointed lawyer for Sydney and Justin, said the children were "deeply disappointed" by the ruling and wanted to stay with their father.

"Both children are doing extremely well in his care. They are honour students and active in sports. They are doing as well as you would hope they would do," Ms Fuller said, adding that it could be months before a new custody hearing is held and then the hearing could last a considerable time.

For the moment the two children will remain with their father.

[martin II]

tazzt hi

it seems that nicoles kids have been making their own decisions for some time. custody case.


Children's lawyer: Murder evidence irrelevant
During last August's appellate hearing, Marjorie Fuller, the court-appointed attorney representing Sydney and Justin, argued that the murder evidence was irrelevant.

"If murder evidence was admitted, I think it would be harmless to the outcome of the case," said Fuller.

Fuller told the court both children want to remain with their father, but with continued visitation arrangements with their maternal grandparents.

"I love my dad," Justin wrote in a letter to the court in August. "I want to stay with him."

"We love our grandparents, but we want to stay with our father," Sydney wrote in her letter read in court last summer.

Simpson lawyer Bernard Leckie noted that "during the custody trial, independent health professionals, friends and neighbors all concluded that the children should be reunited with their father."

Simpson's appeal of the civil verdict could take three years, according to attorney Fuller.

"Even if the custody appeal succeeded, the Browns would not win custody but would merely win yet another trial, and the civil case would not be admissible while it's on appeal," Fuller said.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/10/simpson.custody/

[martin II]

tazzt hi

i hope my two last post about the children helps you to understand their relationship with their father. These kids love their father and he loves and cares for them.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*SNIP*
it seems that nicoles kids have been making their own decisions for some time. custody case.


Nicole's kids didn't "make the decision" relative to custody. It's merely taken into consideration, along with other factors. Unfortunately, Orenthal was the only parent they had & children often opt to stay with the bio parent, even when it's not in their best interest. Unfortunately, far too many children are returned to bio parents & the goal of the state agencies is to "keep the family intact". I've heard of cases where children are returned to a home where they have been sexually and/or physically abused. Also, I doubt the Browns had the money to fight Orenthal for custody. A sad state of affairs.....

[martin II]

tazzt hi

OJ and Nicole both were doing their own thing and having these small spats
after the divoice but many times they seem to end up in the bed with each other. wonder why?

martin II

[weezer]

tazzt hi

OJ and Nicole both were doing their own thing and having these small spats
after the divoice but many times they seem to end up in the bed with each other. wonder why?

martin II

'small' spats? I hardly call stalking, breaking and entering, threatening, ranting and raving -- all by orenthal -- to be 'small spats.' Who but orenthal has said they slept together?

[tv]

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I also find it odd that some women have a lot of respect or love for furhman.
The man that was a active participant in MAW men against women. A secret organizatrion in lapd dedicated to preventing women from keeping their jobs and making progreess in the lapd. IMO
I find that sad.

martin IImartin, do you have a link to the proof that Mark Fuhrman was an actual member of MAW?

[martin II]

martin, do you have a link to the proof that Mark Fuhrman was an actual member of MAW?

it was posted already.

martinii

[martin II]

'small' spats? I hardly call stalking, breaking and entering, threatening, ranting and raving -- all by orenthal -- to be 'small spats.' Who but orenthal has said they slept together?

call it what you like. Are you suggesting that they didn't?

martin II

[weezer]

call it what you like. Are you suggesting that they didn't?

martin II

I don't know -- you're the one that made the statement.

[martin II]

tv

sorry for the short answer
furhman being a member of MAW was posted and discussed no more than
a week or so ago. have you read some of the past post recently?

martin II

[weezer]

it was posted already.

martinii

I never saw a link that proved Fuhrman was a member of MAW and I don't think you did either.

[weezer]

tv

sorry for the short answer
furhman being a member of MAW was posted and discussed no more than
a week or so ago. have you read some of the past post recently?

martin II

there is no link that proves Fuhrman was a member of MAW.

[martin II]

call it what you like. Are you suggesting that they didn't?

martin II

I know oj referres to it in his book. i was asking for comments as to why they seemed to be going back and forth on this issue if they both were doing their own thing.
imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

I'd like to interject here and comment that the Browns did not actually lose the custody case.

In the first turn of events, custody went to Simpson and the Browns appealed. The appeal was granted and a new hearing was to take place. However, during that timeframe Juditha Brown, who was the legal guardian at that time, agreed to withdraw the fight and stipulate to awarding Simpson custody with Juditha retaining legal guardianship.

Kate

[tv]

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sorry for the short answer
furhman being a member of MAW was posted and discussed no more than
a week or so ago. have you read some of the past post recently?

martin IIYes, I have, but I don't see a link to the proof. That's why I'm asking for it. :)

[tv]

I'd like to interject here and comment that the Browns did not actually lose the custody case.

In the first turn of events, custody went to Simpson and the Browns appealed. The appeal was granted and a new hearing was to take place. However, during that timeframe Juditha Brown, who was the legal guardian at that time, agreed to withdraw the fight and stipulate to awarding Simpson custody with Juditha retaining legal guardianship.

Kate Thanks for clearing that up, Kate. I didn't realize that Juditha had legal guardianship. That's interesting.

[martin II]

furhman MAW

http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_polic.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman


http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=29

[tv]

furhman MAW

http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_polic.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman


http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=29martin, thank you for the links, but the source for each one is from the taped interviews with Laura Hart McKinney which was for a fictional screenplay. I'm looking for someone who can say that Mark Fuhrman was a card carrying member of MAW and they saw him attending MAW meetings or conspiring with other MAW members to drive women out of the LAPD. Has anyone stepped forward to say they witnessed Mark Fuhrman actively participating in MAW?

[weezer]

furhman MAW

http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_polic.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman


http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=29

give it up martin -- a screenwriter, wikipedia and a racist website? LOL

[martin II]

Yes, I have, but I don't see a link to the proof. That's why I'm asking for it. :)

TV
i guess that will depend on what you need as proof to believe.

If furhman said he was a member of MAW and some others lapd thought he was
i will not argue with that.

ps please find referance to the case against furhman by a black man that the city of LA setteled just before the oj case.


"With Fuhrman, it became a matter of credibility," said Sam Diannitto, who is still on the board. It was telling, Mr. Diannitto said, that despite Mr. Fuhrman's vivid boasts, police records said "no complaints of excessive force" had been filed against him. So far, all the proceedings had been confidential. But Mr. Fuhrman chose to appeal to a county judge, and he had to make his records public. In September 1983, the judge, Leon Savitch, upheld the board. Mr. Fuhrman would have to go back to work as a police officer, and his files would sit in the county archives, gathering dust, until Robert Deutsch uncovered them in the police-brutality lawsuit he was filing for Joseph Britton.

The city would settle that suit for the relatively modest sum of $100,000 in February 1995, just before Mr. Simpson's trial began.

The most serious blemish on Mr. Fuhrman's work in the West Los Angeles division was the hostile views he sometimes expressed about minorities and women. His performance evaluation in August 1985, which was made available to The New York Times by a member of the Simpson defense, noted: "He is outspoken and critical in his perception of the department's application of affirmative action. He has been counseled to leave his personal feelings at home and to make every effort to adhere to the affirmative action guidelines.

"He was also counseled by this rating lieutenant and captain regarding his very strong expression of his personal views regarding women and minorities in police work. He was not receptive. He stated he felt as an American citizen, he had a right to express his views."

At the time, some officers say, the West Los Angeles division was known as a retirement assignment for white officers. "There are a bunch of old white guys who hate blacks and women at West L.A.," Mr. Bentley recalled being warned when he was assigned there.

In Mr. Fuhrman's case, some senior officers suspected he was a ringleader in an informal police group called Men Against Women that harassed new female officers in the division.



http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/23/reviews/fuhrman-profile.html

[socaldiva]

*snip*
In Mr. Fuhrman's case, some senior officers suspected he was a ringleader in an informal police group called Men Against Women that harassed new female officers in the division.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/23/reviews/fuhrman-profile.html

Your link doesn't seem to work.....

Did you notice the word "suspected" is used here? I don't call this proof.

[martin II]

give it up martin -- a screenwriter, wikipedia and a racist website? LOL

weezer

Have you ever used wikipedia as a link to prove your point???;)





no a feminist organization fighting for womens rights.


http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_polic.htm

[martin II]

martin, thank you for the links, but the source for each one is from the taped interviews with Laura Hart McKinney which was for a fictional screenplay. I'm looking for someone who can say that Mark Fuhrman was a card carrying member of MAW and they saw him attending MAW meetings or conspiring with other MAW members to drive women out of the LAPD. Has anyone stepped forward to say they witnessed Mark Fuhrman actively participating in MAW?

tv

I doubt that it would be possible for anyone to have seen him do what you request considering everone that has clained he was involed said it was a secret organization made up of a few cops in the department.

If none of the links are accpetable to you then i cannot help.But if Furhman
bragged about being a member and a womens group investigated his claims (see feminist group link) and believed it then i see no reason for me not to.
imo
martin II

martin II

[weezer]

weezer

Have you ever used wikipedia as a link to prove your point???;)





no a feminist organization fighting for womens rights.


http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_polic.htm

of course I have but that is not a link to substantiate your claim. :rolleyes:

the feminist organization quoted LHM -- the screenwriter.

[martin II]

of course I have but that is not a link to substantiate your claim. :rolleyes:

the feminist organization quoted LHM -- the screenwriter.

weezer
It may be that the level of proof you require could only be satisfied by Furhman saying i was a member of MAW on tv. imo
martinII

[martin II]

of course I have but that is not a link to substantiate your claim. :rolleyes:

the feminist organization quoted LHM -- the screenwriter.

weezer
The info included in the link was about the abuse case against Furhman by
this man relates to the city of LA setteling the case for $100,000 just before the oj trial commenced.
no screen play was involved in that case.imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
The info included in the link was about the abuse case against Furhman by
this man relates to the city of LA setteling the case for $100,000 just before the oj trial commenced.
no screen play was involved in that case.imo
martin II

did you read the part that said 'career criminal'? I'm looking for my links to the investigation and suit itself. As I remember it, the gun found next to the criminal belonged to the criminal.

[weezer]

weezer
The info included in the link was about the abuse case against Furhman by
this man relates to the city of LA setteling the case for $100,000 just before the oj trial commenced.
no screen play was involved in that case.imo
martin II

'abuse' case?

[weezer]

weezer
It may be that the level of proof you require could only be satisfied by Furhman saying i was a member of MAW on tv. imo
martinII

the level of proof should be the same for everyone -- and unless you have a link that proves Fuhrman was a member of MAW, then your word is no better than his denial. imo

[martin II]

did you read the part that said 'career criminal'? I'm looking for my links to the investigation and suit itself. As I remember it, the gun found next to the criminal belonged to the criminal.

for some the issue is that the city rushed to settle the case so as not to have it open involving furhman during the oj case.the man was a career criminal it is reported. it should have been easy for the city to win the case if they had allowed it to go to trial. but they didn't.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

for some the issue is that the city rushed to settle the case so as not to have it open involving furhman during the oj case.the man was a career criminal it is reported. it should have been easy for the city to win the case if they had allowed it to go to trial. but they didn't.
imo
martin II

how long had the case been pending?

[tv]

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I doubt that it would be possible for anyone to have seen him do what you request considering everone that has clained he was involed said it was a secret organization made up of a few cops in the department.

If none of the links are accpetable to you then i cannot help.But if Furhman
bragged about being a member and a womens group investigated his claims (see feminist group link) and believed it then i see no reason for me not to.
imo
martin II

martin III looked at the links again and what I see are vague references to Mark Fuhrman's supposed involvement in MAW. What exactly did he and the other members of MAW do to harrass women officers in the LAPD? Has anyone come forward with specific information such as dates, times and what kind of harrassment there was? Is there anyone who says they were driven from employment with the LAPD due to the efforts of MAW?

I've done some looking around and can't seem to find specific allegations. If such information exists somewhere I'd be very interested to read it. :)

[martin II]

I looked at the links again and what I see are vague references to Mark Fuhrman's supposed involvement in MAW. What exactly did he and the other members of MAW do to harrass women officers in the LAPD? Has anyone come forward with specific information such as dates, times and what kind of harrassment there was? Is there anyone who says they were driven from employment with the LAPD due to the efforts of MAW?

I've done some looking around and can't seem to find specific allegations. If such information exists somewhere I'd be very interested to read it. :)

It may be that you require more informaiton than what was included in the 3 links i posted. Sorry about that.IMO
MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

It may be that you require more informaiton than what was included in the 3 links i posted. Sorry about that.IMO
MARTIN ii

I certainly didn't see any proof of the activities you allege, only vague references about suspicions & rumors.

[William Anthony]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

[tv]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.That was a favorite saying of my grandmother, but if it's true, flames should have been shooting out of OJ Simpson's ears on the morning of June 13, 1994. Just my opinion, of course. :D

[socaldiva]

That was a favorite saying of my grandmother, but if it's true, flames should have been shooting out of OJ Simpson's ears on the morning of June 13, 1994. Just my opinion, of course. :D

:lol: So true :D