OJ's new Book

[martin II]

tazzy hi

I thought previously you had stated that nicole did not have the money to pay the capital gains tax and that oj knew that he would ruin her if he did not allow her to use his address and the children would not have a place to stay. Now you say she had the money to pay the taxes.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

What a big pile of crap I'm reading here.

It's ok for him to break her door in cause he signed the lease? You gotta be kiddin' me. It doesn't make no bit of difference if he was the signer, it ain't ok to kick the door and rant the way he did. If he's so concerned about the happenings in the home when the kids are there then maybe he should think about not kickin in the door and rantin' the way he did while his kids were in the darn home.

The IRS thing was all her fault? You gotta be kiddin' me. He agreed to the use of his address while they were tryin' to get back together so it ain't as though he didn't know she was doing it and either way he broke the law so it's his fault too. Her paying cap gains tax on the condo woulda taken every cent she had in the bank and she thought they were gonna give their relationship another go.

She wanted to believe he changed. She wanted him back and he wanted her back so they set it up. Then what'd he do? Continued to cheat on her and ruin her hopes and dreams. Didn't care none about how the IRS threat was gonna impact his kids but I suppose that ain't nothin' new considering his past history.

Man, the OJ lovin that runs deep for some of y'all is fascinating to say the very least. But mostly it's a bunch of crap.


Hi Martyrdom!

Glad to see you posting! And, I completely agree!

:beer:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

I thought previously you had stated that nicole did not have the money to pay the capital gains tax and that oj knew that he would ruin her if he did not allow her to use his address and the children would not have a place to stay. Now you say she had the money to pay the taxes.
martin II

I don't believe I have ever said that she didn't have the money to pay the taxes. If I did, I was wrong. She had money in the bank to cover it and then some. OJ knew what he was doing to her when he was forcing her to move like that. He was trying to force her out before she even had a place. Was this so that she would HAVE to go back to OJ? Possibly. She had already had plans to move. OJ was just throwing his power around. Was he going to force her to move before she had a place? What a man! What a great father!

[martin II]

Hi Martyrdom!

Glad to see you posting! And, I completely agree!

:beer:

Martyrdom/

If nicole had the $60,000 for her taxes as Tazzy says, Then paying her taxes would not ruin her. she still had the $550,000 SF condo or the money from it and she had the $10,000 per week support. I guess he was willing to help her before they decided not to get back togeather. After that all bets were off. she was on her own as she stated she wanted to be.

I see no reason for him to continue to put himself at risk with the IRS if she was no longer his woman especially since she had received a very generous
divoice settlement. Nicole could not use the children as a excuse to play oj for ever. The $10,000 per month was enough for the children to have a place to stay if nicole had managed her affairs properly. Then there was always the option of her doing her interior decorating business which oj put her in or some other type of work. imo
martin II

[martin II]

I don't believe I have ever said that she didn't have the money to pay the taxes. If I did, I was wrong. She had money in the bank to cover it and then some. OJ knew what he was doing to her when he was forcing her to move like that. He was trying to force her out before she even had a place. Was this so that she would HAVE to go back to OJ? Possibly. She had already had plans to move. OJ was just throwing his power around. Was he going to force her to move before she had a place? What a man! What a great father!

tazzy hi
i don't think oj could force her to move before she was ready. If she had the tax money and then some then he was not going to ruin her financially as some have said.
Which real estate transaction caused her to have the capital gains tax problem in the first place?
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i don't think oj could force her to move before she was ready. If she had the tax money and then some then he was not going to ruin her financially as some have said.
Which real estate transaction caused her to have the capital gains tax problem in the first place?
martin II

The SF place had appreciated in value. She was going to have to pay the difference. She bought the Bundy Condo to replace the SF place. That was a financial move. And, it was a good financial move. She had to rent it out though to avoid the taxes. That's what she planned to do. She only stayed there because her and OJ were trying to reconcile. Why would she sign a lease anywhere before she knew if she was moving back to Rockingham? That was a smart decision. OJ agreed with it also. She actually lost money with the move because she didn't have a renter at the time.

What she did was not done with malice. What OJ did was. His sending the IRS threat shows how mad he was. Especially since his lawyer had to "tone it down". He was forcing her to move before she had a new place.

[martin II]

The SF place had appreciated in value. She was going to have to pay the difference. She bought the Bundy Condo to replace the SF place. That was a financial move. And, it was a good financial move. She had to rent it out though to avoid the taxes. That's what she planned to do. She only stayed there because her and OJ were trying to reconcile. Why would she sign a lease anywhere before she knew if she was moving back to Rockingham? That was a smart decision. OJ agreed with it also. She actually lost money with the move because she didn't have a renter at the time.

What she did was not done with malice. What OJ did was. His sending the IRS threat shows how mad he was. Especially since his lawyer had to "tone it down". He was forcing her to move before she had a new place.

tazzy hi
ok

So when she sold the SF condo she received more than $550,000. look it looks like nicole had cash runing out of her ears. so there was no reason to try to suck oj into her IRS scheme just so she could save some cash for herself. When oj refused to take her back i guess she had no choice but to do whatever she did. I think she did find a place outside of brentwood and was planning to move or was planning to get a place out of brentwood. I think. imo all i am saying is that all of these decisions were made by nicole
and therefore the outcome rest on her shoulders.imo

martin II

martin II

[Martyrdom]

Martyrdom/

If nicole had the $60,000 for her taxes as Tazzy says, Then paying her taxes would not ruin her. she still had the $550,000 SF condo or the money from it and she had the $10,000 per week support. I guess he was willing to help her before they decided not to get back togeather. After that all bets were off. she was on her own as she stated she wanted to be.

I see no reason for him to continue to put himself at risk with the IRS if she was no longer his woman especially since she had received a very generous
divoice settlement. Nicole could not use the children as a excuse to play oj for ever. The $10,000 per month was enough for the children to have a place to stay if nicole had managed her affairs properly. Then there was always the option of her doing her interior decorating business which oj put her in or some other type of work. imo
martin II

The tax was 90 thousand, and was approx all she had in the bank. I dunno 'bout you but cleaning out all of my savings account means I'm left with zero.

Man, you act like the 10 thousand monthly child support payments was hers to just throw willy-nilly into the wind. It had to pay for a whole heck of a lot of things like education. And the education for those kids wasn't any cheap expense neither ... about 5 thousand a month is what was stated.

You keep runnin' on about how Nicole had this great settlement and all that stuff and how she coulda lived off that real easy but you remember what OJ said about his own finances after the civil trial? He was gettin' 25 thousand bucks a month from his pension and still said "I'm broke". If he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then woo-wee I'd sure hate to see him try to make a livin' off what I make.

And if he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then what'd he consider Nicole?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
ok

So when she sold the SF condo she received more than $550,000. look it looks like nicole had cash runing out of her ears. so there was no reason to try to suck oj into her IRS scheme just so she could save some cash for herself. When oj refused to take her back i guess she had no choice but to do whatever she did. I think she did find a place outside of brentwood and was planning to move or was planning to get a place out of brentwood. I think. imo all i am saying is that all of these decisions were made by nicole
and therefore the outcome rest on her shoulders.imo

martin II

martin II


She bought the Bundy Condo. So, she didn't still have the $550,000. OJ was a part of the IRS scheme.

You can blame Nicole all you want for OJ threatening her with legal action. It is null and void IMO since he knew about it anyways. He was a part of the "scheme". So, how dare he threaten to turn her in. Especially since she had the children. All he had to do is tell her in person or on the phone. But, he was mad.

Okay, Nicole should have never thought that OJ wouldn't stoop so low as to threaten to turn her in to the IRS. I'm sure if she ever thought he'd do that to her she would have never used his address.

[tazzybaby]

The tax was 90 thousand, and was approx all she had in the bank. I dunno 'bout you but cleaning out all of my savings account means I'm left with zero.

Man, you act like the 10 thousand monthly child support payments was hers to just throw willy-nilly into the wind. It had to pay for a whole heck of a lot of things like education. And the education for those kids wasn't any cheap expense neither ... about 5 thousand a month is what was stated.

You keep runnin' on about how Nicole had this great settlement and all that stuff and how she coulda lived off that real easy but you remember what OJ said about his own finances after the civil trial? He was gettin' 25 thousand bucks a month from his pension and still said "I'm broke". If he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then woo-wee I'd sure hate to see him try to make a livin' off what I make.

And if he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then what'd he consider Nicole?


Hi Martyrdom,

I'm so glad you brought this up! Because you are so right. We have heard OJ bellyaching for years that he doesn't have enough money for his kids. He needs money for their education. He needs money for them.

:rolleyes:

[martin II]

The tax was 90 thousand, and was approx all she had in the bank. I dunno 'bout you but cleaning out all of my savings account means I'm left with zero.

Man, you act like the 10 thousand monthly child support payments was hers to just throw willy-nilly into the wind. It had to pay for a whole heck of a lot of things like education. And the education for those kids wasn't any cheap expense neither ... about 5 thousand a month is what was stated.

You keep runnin' on about how Nicole had this great settlement and all that stuff and how she coulda lived off that real easy but you remember what OJ said about his own finances after the civil trial? He was gettin' 25 thousand bucks a month from his pension and still said "I'm broke". If he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then woo-wee I'd sure hate to see him try to make a livin' off what I make.

And if he considers 25 thousand a month to be broke, then what'd he consider Nicole?

martyrdom
i have no idea as to what nicoles or ojs living expenses were. What we do know is that nicole acceptred the $400,000 cash settlement, the $550,000 sf condo and the $10,000 monthly child support payment from oj.

At that point oj had no obligation to give her more or be a accessory to her illegal IRS scheme. If she didn't have enough then she did have the same option all other divoiced mothers of two children have every day. Find employment or some busines venture to make ends meet.

She had not had to work for 17 years, maby it was time for her to consider some effort to support herself. Many mothers of two do quite well with much less than what she had.

Tazzy believes that she had the $60,000 tax money and then some left over. You say the tax was $90,000 ans she would them be broke.I don't know what is true.

Ps
considering you suggest that you would not like to spend till your bank account was empty, ( i agree no one would agree to do this) then i assume that you understand why oj would not pay fred goldman $33,000,000 and leave his bank account empty with no money to support himself and his kids.

martin II

martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martyrdom,

I'm so glad you brought this up! Because you are so right. We have heard OJ bellyaching for years that he doesn't have enough money for his kids. He needs money for their education. He needs money for them.

:rolleyes:

tazzy hi

OJ saying he is broke is info for public consumption IMO. But over the last 11 years he has done quite well in making and keeping a loving and healthy home and educaiton opportunities for his kids and himself.


if todays reports are correct he has or will have the rights to that IF I DID IT book and will have or has a publisher willing to publish it. However i did read that fred wants someone to give him the rights so he can publish and sell it if he decides to.seems like it will never end.
martin II
imo
martin II

[martin II]

She bought the Bundy Condo. So, she didn't still have the $550,000. OJ was a part of the IRS scheme.

You can blame Nicole all you want for OJ threatening her with legal action. It is null and void IMO since he knew about it anyways. He was a part of the "scheme". So, how dare he threaten to turn her in. Especially since she had the children. All he had to do is tell her in person or on the phone. But, he was mad.

Okay, Nicole should have never thought that OJ wouldn't stoop so low as to threaten to turn her in to the IRS. I'm sure if she ever thought he'd do that to her she would have never used his address.

tazzy hi

lets get this one issue straight.
Oj NEVER threatened nicole with any legal action.
He simply gave her a written Notification from him to her not to use his rockingham address to evade her capital gains tax problem or for her income tax purposes as she did not live there.

That is not a threat of legal action he was simply going on record to what he must have already told her in person. Now if he had sent a letter directly to the irs informing them that she did not live there, then i would say he was mad and wanted to hurt her but he did not do that.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

OJ saying he is broke is info for public consumption IMO. But over the last 11 years he has done quite well in making and keeping a loving and healthy home and educaiton opportunities for his kids and himself.


if todays reports are correct he has or will have the rights to that IF I DID IT book and will have or has a publisher willing to publish it. However i did read that fred wants someone to give him the rights so he can publish and sell it if he decides to.seems like it will never end.
martin II
imo
martin II


So, are you saying that OJ is lying about being broke? How do you know he has a loving and healthy home? All we ever hear from him is how he needs money for his kids. He states that he needs the money for his kids (as to why he did the book) but then turns around and states he spent it on bills. So, is he USING his children to try and get money? Sounds like it to me.

If he does get rights to IF I DID IT or writes another book...the proceeds will go to pay off his debt for killing Nicole and Ron.

Fred Goldman has said that he will NEVER EVER leave OJ alone. He wants him to pay for his crime and be punished for killing Nicole and Ron. Fred's lawyer is the one who said he wanted to sell the book not Fred. Fred didn't answer when they asked him if he would try and sell it. I saw that interview. He just kinda shook his head and waived his hand. He did not look like he would even think about it. I don't think he would ever do that. I, for one, would be highly disappointed if he did. But, until I see him do it or say that he would I will not point the finger. If it's going to come out anyway then I can see them publishing it first. We'll have to see what happens there.

[Martyrdom]

martyrdom
i have no idea as to what nicoles or ojs living expenses were. What we do know is that nicole acceptred the $400,000 cash settlement, the $550,000 sf condo and the $10,000 monthly child support payment from oj.

At that point oj had no obligation to give her more or be a accessory to her illegal IRS scheme. If she didn't have enough then she did have the same option all other divoiced mothers of two children have every day. Find employment or some busines venture to make ends meet.

She had not had to work for 17 years, maby it was time for her to consider some effort to support herself. Many mothers of two do quite well with much less than what she had.

Tazzy believes that she had the $60,000 tax money and then some left over. You say the tax was $90,000 ans she would them be broke.I don't know what is true.

Ps
considering you suggest that you would not like to spend till your bank account was empty, ( i agree no one would agree to do this) then i assume that you understand why oj would not pay fred goldman $33,000,000 and leave his bank account empty with no money to support himself and his kids.

martin II

martin II

I ain't heard anyone say that he was obligated to participate in the IRS fraud, but the fact is still there that he DID participate. If Nicole woulda thought a little clearer on that one she coulda countered back that she'd turn him in for participating in it.

Sure I understand that OJ needs to provide for his kids but payin' his judgement wouldn't have left his bank account empty cause he had the 25k a month coming in from his pension that no one could get their fingers on. Or he coulda made small payments here and there like most people who have debt do with their creditors.

I think the 90k is what was submitted as statement durin' the criminal trial testimony but don't go quoting me on that one for sure cause I'd have to look it up.

What I don't understand for sure is how come you don't hold OJ responsible for anything. How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs? YOu remember why they couldn't get back together? Cause he couldn't stop cheatin'.

OJ don't even come close to meetin' the mark of a real man. And I oughta know cause I sure as heck didn't come close to the mark of a real man for a long time in my life.

[martin II]

I ain't heard anyone say that he was obligated to participate in the IRS fraud, but the fact is still there that he DID participate. If Nicole woulda thought a little clearer on that one she coulda countered back that she'd turn him in for participating in it.

Sure I understand that OJ needs to provide for his kids but payin' his judgement wouldn't have left his bank account empty cause he had the 25k a month coming in from his pension that no one could get their fingers on. Or he coulda made small payments here and there like most people who have debt do with their creditors.

I think the 90k is what was submitted as statement durin' the criminal trial testimony but don't go quoting me on that one for sure cause I'd have to look it up.

What I don't understand for sure is how come you don't hold OJ responsible for anything. How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs? YOu remember why they couldn't get back together? Cause he couldn't stop cheatin'.

OJ don't even come close to meetin' the mark of a real man. And I oughta know cause I sure as heck didn't come close to the mark of a real man for a long time in my life.


So nicole could have told the irs that for a few months she used ojs address when she did not live there. she was the one that owed the capital gains tax not oj.
There is nothing to hold oj responsible for after he gave her all that cash and real estate when they divoiced.

When oj and nicole were not togeather i assume he did see other women. Based on Faye Resnicks account, nicole was quite busy seeing quite a few men also.

I am not sure what you mean by meeting the mark of a man and have no idea as to how you can judge him based on what you may have not not have done in your life.imo
martin II

[martin II]

I ain't heard anyone say that he was obligated to participate in the IRS fraud, but the fact is still there that he DID participate. If Nicole woulda thought a little clearer on that one she coulda countered back that she'd turn him in for participating in it.

Sure I understand that OJ needs to provide for his kids but payin' his judgement wouldn't have left his bank account empty cause he had the 25k a month coming in from his pension that no one could get their fingers on. Or he coulda made small payments here and there like most people who have debt do with their creditors.

I think the 90k is what was submitted as statement durin' the criminal trial testimony but don't go quoting me on that one for sure cause I'd have to look it up.

What I don't understand for sure is how come you don't hold OJ responsible for anything. How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs? YOu remember why they couldn't get back together? Cause he couldn't stop cheatin'.

OJ don't even come close to meetin' the mark of a real man. And I oughta know cause I sure as heck didn't come close to the mark of a real man for a long time in my life.


was there testimony about how much money nicole had in the bank in the criminal trial?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

lets get this one issue straight.
Oj NEVER threatened nicole with any legal action.
He simply gave her a written Notification from him to her not to use his rockingham address to evade her capital gains tax problem or for her income tax purposes as she did not live there.

That is not a threat of legal action he was simply going on record to what he must have already told her in person. Now if he had sent a letter directly to the irs informing them that she did not live there, then i would say he was mad and wanted to hurt her but he did not do that.imo
martin II


Let's do get this straight. It was a definate threat. He told her he was going to get her for tax evasion. Well....here's what he told her...

"You hung up on me last night. You're going to pay for this, bi***."
"You're holding money from the IRS, you're going to jail, you f****** c***."

"You think you can do any f****** thing. You've got it coming. I've already talked to my lawyers about this, b****." They'll get you for tax evasion, b*****. I'll see to it. You're not going to have a f****** dime left, b****."

You can find this in the Civil Trial.

Then three days later there is a letter. A letter sent through his Lawyer. That's a threat. Well, more like a promise I guess.

[martin II]

Let's do get this straight. It was a definate threat. He told her he was going to get her for tax evasion. Well....here's what he told her...

"You hung up on me last night. You're going to pay for this, bi***."
"You're holding money from the IRS, you're going to jail, you f****** c***."

"You think you can do any f****** thing. You've got it coming. I've already talked to my lawyers about this, b****." They'll get you for tax evasion, b*****. I'll see to it. You're not going to have a f****** dime left, b****."

You can find this in the Civil Trial.

Then three days later there is a letter. A letter sent through his Lawyer. That's a threat. Well, more like a promise I guess.

tazzy hi

That sounds like a heated argument. He did a lot of talking and then did none of what he said on the phone. He simply sent her a calm NOTICE not to use his address. Now if he had wanted to hurt her he could have sent the IRS a copy of the letter and notified them of what she was trying to do. He did not do that.
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

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...There is nothing to hold oj responsible for after he gave her all that cash and real estate when they divoiced.

When oj and nicole were not togeather i assume he did see other women. Based on Faye Resnicks account, nicole was quite busy seeing quite a few men also.

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martin II

I ain't heard anyone say that he was obligated to participate in the IRS fraud, but the fact is still there that he DID participate...

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What I don't understand for sure is how come you don't hold OJ responsible for anything. How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs? YOu remember why they couldn't get back together? Cause he couldn't stop cheatin'.

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Their MO's:

Bashing/Trashing the victims and their families
Baiting questions
Spinning
Twisting
Misinformation
Unsubstantiated information
Disgusting and despicable innuendoes
Assinine theories with no back-up
Putting words into your mouth
Feigning confusion and misunderstanding, i.e., I didn't say that or You misunderstood what I was saying!

More of what you get:

OJ is/was NOT responsible!
OJ was proven Not Guilty!
OJ is innocent, innocent, innocent!
OJ is/was NOT cheating before, during or after their marriage, but nicole was quite busy seeing quite a few men.

I could go on and on and on and on and on! This is what goes on day in and day out, ad nauseum! Martin and his two comrades constantly posting nothing but pure unadulterated bullsh*t and then they all sit back and pat themselves on the backs for such a job well done! Their own little cheering section. How cute is that? GMAB!

I just consider the sources and Birds of A Feather, always, always Flock Toegether!

JMO and MOO!!

P.S. I hope that you noticed how conveniently Martin just completely bypassed your question regarding him not holding OJ responsible for anything. "How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs?

[William Anthony]

Their MO's:

Bashing/Trashing the victims and their families
Baiting questions
Spinning
Twisting
Misinformation
Unsubstantiated information
Disgusting and despicable innuendoes
Assinine theories with no back-up
Putting words into your mouth
Feigning confusion and misunderstanding, i.e., I didn't say that or You misunderstood what I was saying!

More of what you get:

OJ is/was NOT responsible!
OJ was proven Not Guilty!
OJ is innocent, innocent, innocent!
OJ is/was NOT cheating before, during or after their marriage, but nicole was quite busy seeing quite a few men.

I could go on and on and on and on and on! This is what goes on day in and day out, ad nauseum! Martin and his two comrades constantly posting nothing but pure unadulterated bullsh*t and then they all sit back and pat themselves on the backs for such a job well done! Their own little cheering section. How cute is that? GMAB!

I just consider the sources and Birds of A Feather, always, always Flock Toegether!

JMO and MOO!!

P.S. I hope that you noticed how conveniently Martin just completely bypassed your question regarding him not holding OJ responsible for anything. "How come everything's Nicole's fault in your eyeballs?

I know this will be too long for one post, but here is a sampling of what you have added to the discussions since 11-29-05.

11-29-2006, 05:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by William Anthony

Again, you demonstrate how words are misinterpreted. Show me where I state I do not want people intruding on my conversations. The question was posed as to whom the concept of baiting pertained?

You said it. Here's your post. I don't care what question you posed or to whom re: the concept of baiting! JMO and MOO!!

Quote:
Originally posted by William Anthony

Baiting to whom, Martin or someone who wants to intrude on OUR conversation?

Hi Suzee! Good to see you posting! Remember good 'ol Talisman29? Well, he's baaaaack! ------------------> :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

Bob: That's it? That's all? One sentence and he's let off the hook? I don't think so! WA needs to provide a link to substantiate this outright lie in his post above re: Mark Fuhrman and the Glove.

I am sick and tired of certain Posters that are allowed to post blatant misinformation and outright lies and then not be held accountable for them. I would be very interested to know Freshwater's opinion on shenanigans such as this, as it goes on a lot on this Board by certain Posters and something needs to be done about it!

Originally Posted by martin II
william

when i put a strawberry on ignore i just ignore their post.

martin II
Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer

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Hey, I saw on the other thread where you called socaldiva a 'strawberry'. what is a 'strawberry'? Can I find it if I look up slang words?
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin II
hey

You have not see any such thing.

martin II
It looks like Weezer has seen such a thing! Looks like Wise*** William has taught you well, Netta!

First off, you know nothing about the truth because it is not a prerequisite for an NG or a Defense Attorney. Thanks, but I don't need to be saved. However, I can see where you would need to save your comrades because you and they definitely do need some help!

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if you cannot stand the heat stay away from the furnace.

[martin II]

I know this will be too long for one post, but here is a sampling of what you have added to the discussions since 11-29-05.

11-29-2006, 05:20 AM
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Criime Library Supreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NANCY GRACELAND
Posts: 9,482

Quote:
Originally posted by William Anthony

Again, you demonstrate how words are misinterpreted. Show me where I state I do not want people intruding on my conversations. The question was posed as to whom the concept of baiting pertained?

You said it. Here's your post. I don't care what question you posed or to whom re: the concept of baiting! JMO and MOO!!

Quote:
Originally posted by William Anthony

Baiting to whom, Martin or someone who wants to intrude on OUR conversation?

Hi Suzee! Good to see you posting! Remember good 'ol Talisman29? Well, he's baaaaack! ------------------> :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

Bob: That's it? That's all? One sentence and he's let off the hook? I don't think so! WA needs to provide a link to substantiate this outright lie in his post above re: Mark Fuhrman and the Glove.

I am sick and tired of certain Posters that are allowed to post blatant misinformation and outright lies and then not be held accountable for them. I would be very interested to know Freshwater's opinion on shenanigans such as this, as it goes on a lot on this Board by certain Posters and something needs to be done about it!

Originally Posted by martin II
william

when i put a strawberry on ignore i just ignore their post.

martin II
Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer

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Hey, I saw on the other thread where you called socaldiva a 'strawberry'. what is a 'strawberry'? Can I find it if I look up slang words?
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Originally Posted by martin II
hey

You have not see any such thing.

martin II
It looks like Weezer has seen such a thing! Looks like Wise*** William has taught you well, Netta!

First off, you know nothing about the truth because it is not a prerequisite for an NG or a Defense Attorney. Thanks, but I don't need to be saved. However, I can see where you would need to save your comrades because you and they definitely do need some help!

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if you cannot stand the heat stay away from the furnace.

someone has lost it.
martin II

[sassylassy]

The contents of the above mentioned post should have gone in a PM. It's not suitable to post here. IMO


are you talking about my post???

[sassylassy]

So is Robin a call girl or no?

read the book & you will know :read:

[William Anthony]

read the book & you will know :read:

Classy Sassy Lassy,

Good to see you have things under control.

[sassylassy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16610772/site/newsweek/

:read: newsweek has obtained some chapters from OJS new book: :read:

On June 12, 1994, Simpson attends his daughter Sydney's dance recital. He writes that he is in a foul mood after the performance, stewing over the behavior of his ex-wife. He is due to fly to Chicago late that night. But first he races to Nicole's Bundy Drive condominium in Brentwood. He parks in the dark alley behind her condo and dons the knit wool cap and gloves he keeps handy to ward off the chill on the golf course. He also has a knife in the Bronco, protection against L.A. "crazies." He intends to scare her. He enters through a broken back gate—he's told her a "million times" to get the buzzer and latch fixed—and encounters Goldman, who is returning the glasses of Nicole's mother, Juditha. She had left them at Mezzaluna, where the Brown family dined after Sydney's recital and where Goldman is a waiter. Simpson accuses Goldman of planning a sexual encounter with Nicole, which Goldman denies. Nicole tells Simpson to leave him alone. Goldman's fate is sealed when Kato, Nicole's Akita, emerges and gives him a friendly tail wag. "You've been here before," Simpson screams at Goldman.

[sassylassy]

more:

At Simpson's criminal trial, to explain how one man could have killed two people, the Los Angeles County coroner theorized that Simpson knocked out Nicole, then quickly slit her throat before turning to Goldman. If the book's account is true, the coroner's hypothesis was correct—almost. Simpson writes that his ex-wife came at him like a "banshee." She loses her balance and falls hard, her head cracking against the ground. Goldman assumes a karate stance, further angering Simpson. He dares the younger man to fight. Then, in the book, Simpson pulls back. He writes, "Then something went horribly wrong, and I know what happened, but I can't tell you exactly how."

Simpson writes that when he regains control of himself, he realizes he is drenched in blood and holding a bloody knife. Both Nicole and Goldman are dead. Simpson heads back to the alley but before getting into the Bronco to flee, strips down to his socks. He rolls his bloody clothes and the knife into a small pile. (That's an important detail. The police never recovered those clothes or the murder weapon, but they did find Simpson's socks—with Nicole's blood on them—at the foot of his bed at his Rockingham estate.) As he nears his house, Simpson sees the limo that will take him to the airport for his Chicago trip. He steals onto his estate via a darkened, hidden path that takes him directly behind the guesthouse where Kato Kaelin is living. Simpson describes how he stumbles into an air conditioner for Kaelin's room, making a terrific racket—just as Kaelin told police he had heard.

[sassylassy]

more:

Simpson's account does diverge from the prosecution's theory of the case in one significant way. In his telling, a second man, a close friend he calls Charlie, is with him during the killings. Charlie is an unwilling accomplice, repeatedly urging Simpson to stop what he is doing. Does "Charlie" really exist? Perhaps. At the time, many wondered if Simpson had help, if not with the actual killings then with getting rid of evidence. The police never found sufficient evidence to charge anyone else. Fred Goldman, Ron's father, thinks the idea of a second man is absurd, but isn't surprised to hear what Simpson has written (he hasn't read it himself). "This is the guy who murdered them—of course he knows what the evidence is and how he did it," Goldman told NEWSWEEK. Denise Brown, Nicole's sister, told me in an e-mail that she agreed with my analysis. "It just goes to show you that he is guilty and that is what I have always said from the beginning ... Know this, though—I won't be reading [the book]."

[sassylassy]

By the end of the chapter, Simpson reverts to his more familiar public stance: outrage that anyone could believe he committed the murders. He tells his lawyers that he is, as he declared at an early legal proceeding, "absolutely 100 percent not guilty."

Readers may yet get their chance to judge the Simpson book for themselves. Galanter, Simpson's attorney, said last week that the rights to the book have already or will soon revert to the former football great (a spokesman for HarperCollins, of which ReganBooks was a part, declined to comment on any aspect of this story). Galanter wouldn't say if he has lined up a new publisher. More surprising was what Goldman family attorney Jonathan Polak had to say. Polak's pursuit of Simpson to pay the $33.5 million judgment has been largely fruitless; he's now attempting to claim the money ReganBooks paid for the book. He said he will also attempt to seize Simpson's copyright to the work. "This may be the one opportunity we have [to collect]," he said.

Of course, to do that, the book would have to be printed and put on sale. Would the Goldman family really seek to publish the book in which Simpson, hypothetically or not, describes the brutal murders? Fred Goldman was noncommittal; Polak wouldn't rule it out.

[Martyrdom]

read the book & you will know :read:

I thought William called you Classy ...LOL ... guess he got that one wrong huh!

You're the one postin' on about the contents of the book, and it ain't like I asked you anything that would require a ton of brain power or time to answer. Woulda taken a simple yes or no.

So I'm guessin' you just might not be as classy a lil lassy as someone thinks.

And I'm guessin' that you probably don't wanna ask anyone else a question about nothin' on this forum cause then you'd just be stickin your foot right on into your mouth.

[Martyrdom]

Classy Sassy Lassy,

Good to see you have things under control.

Man are you as bad as the rest or what? I see you askin' tons of questions all over this darn forum but then you pat someone on the back for not bein' willin' to answer another person's question.

I'm thinkin' the word hypocrite might be poppin' up about now.

[Martyrdom]

So nicole could have told the irs that for a few months she used ojs address when she did not live there. she was the one that owed the capital gains tax not oj.
There is nothing to hold oj responsible for after he gave her all that cash and real estate when they divoiced.

When oj and nicole were not togeather i assume he did see other women. Based on Faye Resnicks account, nicole was quite busy seeing quite a few men also.

I am not sure what you mean by meeting the mark of a man and have no idea as to how you can judge him based on what you may have not not have done in your life.imo
martin II

Well now I guess I judge him based on what I mighta or might not have done in my life just the same way you judge Nicole based on how you know tons of other women who have gotten less in a divorce and then go back to work.

See how that works martin? It's real simple. Even for a southern hick like myself.

You know I ain't talkin' about the women OJ was seein' while they weren't together. I'm talkin' about all the women he was seein' while they WERE together. I dunno, maybe you cheat on your wife or think that cheatin on your wife is ok but most people don't.

Nicole coulda given a million brentwood hellos and slept with 300 men while her and OJ were apart and it wouldn't be as bad as OJ sleepin with just one other woman while they were married.

[Martyrdom]

I have read two instances where Nicoles name was connected to something called the "BRENTWOOD HELLO" I am trying to find out exactly what this means.
martin II


Here, I'll give you sassy's response:

Read a book and you'll know:read:

[Martyrdom]

tazzy hi
which house transaction caused Nicole to have a capital gains tax problem?
martin II


Again I'll give ya sassy's version:

Read some testimony and you'll know:read:

[martin II]

Man are you as bad as the rest or what? I see you askin' tons of questions all over this darn forum but then you pat someone on the back for not bein' willin' to answer another person's question.

I'm thinkin' the word hypocrite might be poppin' up about now.


Martyrdom

Robin has been discussed here and on another thread several times. If you read back a few pages you will see the answer.imo

martin II

[Martyrdom]

Martyrdom

Robin has been discussed here and on another thread several times. If you read back a few pages you will see the answer.imo

martin II

That post is somethin' I did read, but it contained a heck of alot of innuendo.

If I'm goin' by that post then the answer is no, but yet ya'll been talkin' as though it's a well known fact that she's a call girl?

[martin II]

That post is somethin' I did read, but it contained a heck of alot of innuendo.

If I'm goin' by that post then the answer is no, but yet ya'll been talkin' as though it's a well known fact that she's a call girl?



O.J. said he didn’t know who Alexandria was until Nicole told him. Nicole’s old friend Robin Greer was a Heidi Fleiss call girl.

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm

martin II

[socaldiva]

Here, I'll give you sassy's response:

Read a book and you'll know:read:


Woo Hoo, good to see you back here posting Martyrdom :seeya:

[Martyrdom]

O.J. said he didn’t know who Alexandria was until Nicole told him. Nicole’s old friend Robin Greer was a Heidi Fleiss call girl.

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm

martin II


But sassy's post says that according to the book that it is Robin's sister that is the call girl, and Robin hangs out with her.

That makes it sound as though Robin herself ain't a call girl but just hangs out with one.

That's why I'm needin' me some clarification.

[martin II]

But sassy's post says that according to the book that it is Robin's sister that is the call girl, and Robin hangs out with her.

That makes it sound as though Robin herself ain't a call girl but just hangs out with one.

That's why I'm needin' me some clarification.

martyrdom

I gave you the link to what i had stating that robin was a call girl for H.F.

H.F. if you remember had many women working as call girls for her.
martin II

[martin II]

martyrdom

I gave you the link to what i had stating that robin was a call girl for H.F.

H.F. if you remember had many women working as call girls for her.
martin II

martyrdom

if you read Faye's testimony you may find more as she talks about everyone.
or robins book
martin II

[martin II]

martyrdom

If you read through the link i gave you above you will see other referances to robin working for H.F.

martin II

[martin II]

By the end of the chapter, Simpson reverts to his more familiar public stance: outrage that anyone could believe he committed the murders. He tells his lawyers that he is, as he declared at an early legal proceeding, "absolutely 100 percent not guilty."

Readers may yet get their chance to judge the Simpson book for themselves. Galanter, Simpson's attorney, said last week that the rights to the book have already or will soon revert to the former football great (a spokesman for HarperCollins, of which ReganBooks was a part, declined to comment on any aspect of this story). Galanter wouldn't say if he has lined up a new publisher. More surprising was what Goldman family attorney Jonathan Polak had to say. Polak's pursuit of Simpson to pay the $33.5 million judgment has been largely fruitless; he's now attempting to claim the money ReganBooks paid for the book. He said he will also attempt to seize Simpson's copyright to the work. "This may be the one opportunity we have [to collect]," he said.

Of course, to do that, the book would have to be printed and put on sale. Would the Goldman family really seek to publish the book in which Simpson, hypothetically or not, describes the brutal murders? Fred Goldman was noncommittal; Polak wouldn't rule it out.


sassy

This is real funny to me.

I think the ghost writer Pablo Funjves did a great job for The publishing company as requested.

He wrote a chapter to totally flake out anyone that would purchase the book
looking for some real info only to find something that is just a tease or a complete sucker joke.imo

For people that want to believe oj killed them, it gives them something to say see he says he did it.Even though they know it was a made up piece of B.S. But for thinking people, they would say i was had when i baught this book.

I think the publisher is to blame for this fake out as they are the ones that hired the ghost writer to pen this nonsense.imo

martin II

[martin II]

Well now I guess I judge him based on what I mighta or might not have done in my life just the same way you judge Nicole based on how you know tons of other women who have gotten less in a divorce and then go back to work.

See how that works martin? It's real simple. Even for a southern hick like myself.

You know I ain't talkin' about the women OJ was seein' while they weren't together. I'm talkin' about all the women he was seein' while they WERE together. I dunno, maybe you cheat on your wife or think that cheatin on your wife is ok but most people don't.

Nicole coulda given a million brentwood hellos and slept with 300 men while her and OJ were apart and it wouldn't be as bad as OJ sleepin with just one other woman while they were married.

martyrdom

I did not make myself clear in my post.
It is generally accepted from what is reported that oj cheated on nicole when he was married to her and saw women when they were not togeather. it is also accepted that nicole did some dating of other men when they were not togeather.

I have no idea as to why oj cheated on his wife but i think that if he felt that he needed to do this then he should have left his wife and did what ever he wanted to do.

I know nothing about you and your life other than what you have stated here and have not indicated that you were a hick from anyplace.

Likewise you know nothing about me and my privare life and i think it would be proper for you to refrain from making comments such as "MABY YOU MAY CHEAT ON YOUR WIFE". That,my friend, i consider off limits for you to coment on.


MARTIN ii

[William Anthony]

Man are you as bad as the rest or what? I see you askin' tons of questions all over this darn forum but then you pat someone on the back for not bein' willin' to answer another person's question.

I'm thinkin' the word hypocrite might be poppin' up about now.

I see that you are hasty to make assumptions and to use nouns. I have attempted to stay out of the mix when it comes to bashing anyone in this case beside the MF, since he was directly involved in the case, and there is circumstantial evidence suggesting that he may have acted in an inappropriate manner. I fail to see how who Nicole associated with has anything to do with this case, unless you are suggesting that, because a woman engages in an unlawful form of selling sex, she is capable of committing murder. There has been many women, who have never engaged in prostitution that have not committed murder, and many women, who have associated with prostitutes that were not murdered. I am thinking that, as long as this nation remains America, people have the right to associate with others of their choice, so long as they are not associating for an unlawful purpose. If harboring that belief is a hypocrite, then I am 100% guilty.

[Martyrdom]

I see that you are hasty to make assumptions and to use nouns. I have attempted to stay out of the mix when it comes to bashing anyone in this case beside the MF, since he was directly involved in the case, and there is circumstantial evidence suggesting that he may have acted in an inappropriate manner. I fail to see how who Nicole associated with has anything to do with this case, unless you are suggesting that, because a woman engages in an unlawful form of selling sex, she is capable of committing murder. There has been many women, who have never engaged in prostitution that have not committed murder, and many women, who have associated with prostitutes that were not murdered. I am thinking that, as long as this nation remains America, people have the right to associate with others of their choice, so long as they are not associating for an unlawful purpose. If harboring that belief is a hypocrite, then I am 100% guilty.

Your post don't make no sense William. I never said anything about who Nicole associates with affecting this case. Wanna tell me where you think I did?

[Martyrdom]

martyrdom

I did not make myself clear in my post.
It is generally accepted from what is reported that oj cheated on nicole when he was married to her and saw women when they were not togeather. it is also accepted that nicole did some dating of other men when they were not togeather.

I have no idea as to why oj cheated on his wife but i think that if he felt that he needed to do this then he should have left his wife and did what ever he wanted to do.

I know nothing about you and your life other than what you have stated here and have not indicated that you were a hick from anyplace.

Likewise you know nothing about me and my privare life and i think it would be proper for you to refrain from making comments such as "MABY YOU MAY CHEAT ON YOUR WIFE". That,my friend, i consider off limits for you to coment on.


MARTIN ii

You mighta firgured out by now that I don't hold much interest in what you consider off limits.

I didn't say ya do cheat on your wife, I said maybe ya do ... and maybe ya do but that's the point in sayin' maybe. It points out that it might be somethin' ya might do.

So I'll go on ahead and make those comments where I see fit to make 'em as long as I'm sayin' maybe it's somethin' ya might do. If I said it IS somethin' ya do or that ya condone then that'd be a big problem.

'nuff said on that.

[William Anthony]

Your post don't make no sense William. I never said anything about who Nicole associates with affecting this case. Wanna tell me where you think I did?

Did I say you did? What I am saying is that it should make no difference who she associated with and that is why I chose to stay out of the mix. I think we all are adults or should be. I complimented Classysassy on her ability to retain control. If for some reason that offended you, then so be it.

[William Anthony]

You mighta firgured out by now that I don't hold much interest in what you consider off limits.

I didn't say ya do cheat on your wife, I said maybe ya do ... and maybe ya do but that's the point in sayin' maybe. It points out that it might be somethin' ya might do.

So I'll go on ahead and make those comments where I see fit to make 'em as long as I'm sayin' maybe it's somethin' ya might do. If I said it IS somethin' ya do or that ya condone then that'd be a big problem.

'nuff said on that.

I think that will produce a problem with bobaugust, since he only allows speculation on what he considers the actual evidence is.:)

[Martyrdom]

Yes, that is correct. Robin mentioned such in the book "Raging Heart" as well as her interview in the "Los Angeles Times" dated November 8, 1994.

I'm getting a vibe here from some that Nicole should have been standing on her own two feet and took advantage of OJ, while OJ should be held up as this shining example of generosity. What people forget is that, regardless of Nicole, those children had the right to continue the same lifestyle that they were accustomed to during their parents' marriage and I certainly don't recall any mention of OJ offering to take over custody.

Her life is examined and picked apart fault by fault by individuals here who refuse to give even an inch regarding OJ's own personal lifestyle. It is apparently convenient to overlook the fact that he is a habitual adulterer, had alleged mafia connections, used cocaine freqently in the seventies as testifed to by numerous individuals including Mike Millitello and Jim Brown, stalked his wife, neglected his children, committed perjury, and the list goes on.

There's talk that he had every right to kick the door in becase he signed the lease. That's like saying the property owner of my apartment has a right to get angry with me and kick in the door of my rental unit just because he owns the property.

There is further talk that Nicole threw a party for hookers and drug dealers when in fact it apparently was an engagement party for a man and his fiance, who happened to be a prostitute. This is not the same thing as throwing a party for hookers and drug dealers.

Kate

Katie!!!!

How are ya? You hangin' on in there with your cold weather? Hunkered inside or been out playin' in the snow?

I'm hearin' what you're sayin' on this. I'm thinkin' part of the problem with OJ in general is that no one was seemin' willing to ever make him be responsible for anything in his whole life.

He was a head waggin' great athlete that found it mighty appropriate to beat up on his wife and cheat on her plus turn around and blame her for all his actions. And people still love him. Man oh man what a sad thing.

And I still ain't got no answer on if Robin was an actual call girl. Other than some write up that martin gave from those smartfellows folks who don't seem to know a whole lotta factual stuff.

Lookin' mighty forward to posting with ya again lil Katie.

[martin II]

You mighta firgured out by now that I don't hold much interest in what you consider off limits.

I didn't say ya do cheat on your wife, I said maybe ya do ... and maybe ya do but that's the point in sayin' maybe. It points out that it might be somethin' ya might do.

So I'll go on ahead and make those comments where I see fit to make 'em as long as I'm sayin' maybe it's somethin' ya might do. If I said it IS somethin' ya do or that ya condone then that'd be a big problem.

'nuff said on that.

martyrdom
what you should do is refrain from making personal negative remarks about me or anyone else here.

martin II

[William Anthony]

martyrdom
what you should do is refrain from making personal negative remarks about me or anyone else here.

martin II

We must All consider the source and All keep in mind One2snoop's signature.

[Martyrdom]

martyrdom
what you should do is refrain from making personal negative remarks about me or anyone else here.

martin II

Sayin' what somebody might do ain't a personal negative comment. When you figure that out, lemme know real quick.

But since ya brought it up, personal negative remarks are seemin' to be about all you offer up on this this board. When you pull your own foot outta your mouth and stop doing what ya keep blamin' others for doin' is when we'll make progress.

[martin II]

Katie!!!!

How are ya? You hangin' on in there with your cold weather? Hunkered inside or been out playin' in the snow?

I'm hearin' what you're sayin' on this. I'm thinkin' part of the problem with OJ in general is that no one was seemin' willing to ever make him be responsible for anything in his whole life.

He was a head waggin' great athlete that found it mighty appropriate to beat up on his wife and cheat on her plus turn around and blame her for all his actions. And people still love him. Man oh man what a sad thing.

And I still ain't got no answer on if Robin was an actual call girl. Other than some write up that martin gave from those smartfellows folks who don't seem to know a whole lotta factual stuff.

Lookin' mighty forward to posting with ya again lil Katie.


martyrdom

If you ask for info as to whether Robin was or was not a prostitute and i give you a link to her activities and you don't believe the link, then i can suggest another option for you. Buy the book by robin and read for your self.:read: then you will not have to ask anyone for the info on her.

what is in the link/ info i gave you about robin, that you know is not true?
martin II

[martin II]

Sayin' what somebody might do ain't a personal negative comment. When you figure that out, lemme know real quick.

But since ya brought it up, personal negative remarks are seemin' to be about all you offer up on this this board. When you pull your own foot outta your mouth and stop doing what ya keep blamin' others for doin' is when we'll make progress.

martyrdom
leave referances to my WIFE out of your comments.Directly or indirectly
thanks

martin II

[Martyrdom]

martyrdom
leave referances to my WIFE out of your comments.Directly or indirectly
thanks

martin II

Again, I'll comment as long as I see fit since I know that commentin' with the maybe makes it different from deeming it someone you would do.

[martin II]

Again, I'll comment as long as I see fit since I know that commentin' with the maybe makes it different from deeming it someone you would do.


Martyrdom
maby you would like to ask the mordeator if she agres with you position on posting negative personal post to me?
martin II

[William Anthony]

Martyrdom
maby you would like to ask the mordeator if she agres with you position on posting negative personal post to me?
martin II

check PMs.

[William Anthony]

more:

At Simpson's criminal trial, to explain how one man could have killed two people, the Los Angeles County coroner theorized that Simpson knocked out Nicole, then quickly slit her throat before turning to Goldman. If the book's account is true, the coroner's hypothesis was correct—almost. Simpson writes that his ex-wife came at him like a "banshee." She loses her balance and falls hard, her head cracking against the ground. Goldman assumes a karate stance, further angering Simpson. He dares the younger man to fight. Then, in the book, Simpson pulls back. He writes, "Then something went horribly wrong, and I know what happened, but I can't tell you exactly how."

Simpson writes that when he regains control of himself, he realizes he is drenched in blood and holding a bloody knife. Both Nicole and Goldman are dead. Simpson heads back to the alley but before getting into the Bronco to flee, strips down to his socks. He rolls his bloody clothes and the knife into a small pile. (That's an important detail. The police never recovered those clothes or the murder weapon, but they did find Simpson's socks—with Nicole's blood on them—at the foot of his bed at his Rockingham estate.) As he nears his house, Simpson sees the limo that will take him to the airport for his Chicago trip. He steals onto his estate via a darkened, hidden path that takes him directly behind the guesthouse where Kato Kaelin is living. Simpson describes how he stumbles into an air conditioner for Kaelin's room, making a terrific racket—just as Kaelin told police he had heard.

Classy Sassy Lassy,

This would tend to prove that Simpson is speaking hypothetically and that he was not the killer.

[2L8 4A D8]

martyrdom
what you should do is refrain from making personal negative remarks about me or anyone else here.

martin II

Yeah, and "maby" you should start practicing what you preach! IIRC, you called Diva a "strawberry something or other," but thats not a negative personal remark to her or about her, right? All of us G's are just fairgame to you, but when the tables are turned on you, you just come posting your Boo Hoos! Grow up already! :punch:

Sorry, if the truth hurts, boo hoo, boo hoo, boo hoo! And like your beloved comrade said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

are you talking about my post???

No. I was talking about something that someone else posted that was offensive. Apparently the moderator removed the post, so now it looks as though I was talking about your post.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Yeah, and "maby" you should start practicing what you preach! IIRC, you called Diva a "strawberry something or other," but thats not a negative personal remark to her or about her, right? All of us G's are just fairgame to you

Yep, he can sure dish it out. Seems he wants everyone else to follow rules that he himself ignores.

[2L8 4A D8]

Martyrdom
maby you would like to ask the mordeator if she agres with you position on posting negative personal post to me?
martin II

What, is that some kind of threat? Freshwater doesn't give a cr@p about the petty stuff and this is as petty as they get! If she did, you and your comrades would have been gone a long, long time ago, trust me! Martyrdom has done nothing more nor nothing less than you and your comrades have done to the rest of us at one time or another.

Again, mountains out of molehills and petty bullsh*t ~ the mantra and MO of the NG's!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

Classy Sassy Lassy,

This would tend to prove that Simpson is speaking hypothetically and that he was not the killer.

william

not only that but it would negate Parks testimnony that he saw oj walk into the house with some dark colored clothes on. hahaha
martin II

[martin II]

Classy Sassy Lassy,

This would tend to prove that Simpson is speaking hypothetically and that he was not the killer.

william

according to the story park was mistaken when he said he saw oj walk into the house in dark colored clothes.
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

not only that but it would negate Parks testimnony that he saw oj walk into the house with some dark colored clothes on. hahaha
martin II


That was my point!!! How about JIll? She did not see Simpson with a bare chest, just a bare arrm.

[Martyrdom]

Martyrdom
maby you would like to ask the mordeator if she agres with you position on posting negative personal post to me?
martin II

Ya seem to be under the mistaken impression that I care.

I don't. Cause all I'll do is point out the fact that I wasn't makin' no personal negative comment and then I'll turn right around and point out all of the personal negative comments that you been makin' about others around here on this board.

So run run run and don't be walkin' now to the Moderator.

[Kate Sachel]

Katie!!!!

How are ya? You hangin' on in there with your cold weather? Hunkered inside or been out playin' in the snow?

I'm hearin' what you're sayin' on this. I'm thinkin' part of the problem with OJ in general is that no one was seemin' willing to ever make him be responsible for anything in his whole life.

He was a head waggin' great athlete that found it mighty appropriate to beat up on his wife and cheat on her plus turn around and blame her for all his actions. And people still love him. Man oh man what a sad thing.

And I still ain't got no answer on if Robin was an actual call girl. Other than some write up that martin gave from those smartfellows folks who don't seem to know a whole lotta factual stuff.

Lookin' mighty forward to posting with ya again lil Katie.

Good afternoon and where on earth have you been hiding yourself? I have most definitely not been playing in the snow, work has been consuming every last moment of my time these days. Hopefully a reprieve is on its way.

I do tend to agree that OJ Simpson didn't have to account for his actions much in life once his football career sky rocketed him to fame. I believe that he truly believes that he is entitled to more than most because of the fact that he basically came from nothing and had turned himself into something big. And not that its not a tremendous accomplishment, but why anyone would figure that gives him the right to treat others the way that he appears to have a tendency to treat them is beyond my comprehension.

I may take a look at the book that sassylassy has brought to our attention regarding Robin Greer. If I do, I will certianly make you aware of my findings.

In the meantime, keep on singing your song.

"Katie"

[martin II]

Ya seem to be under the mistaken impression that I care.

I don't. Cause all I'll do is point out the fact that I wasn't makin' no personal negative comment and then I'll turn right around and point out all of the personal negative comments that you been makin' about others around here on this board.

So run run run and don't be walkin' now to the Moderator.


why not go back to doing what you say you do.
martin II

[sassylassy]

I thought William called you Classy ...LOL ... guess he got that one wrong huh!

You're the one postin' on about the contents of the book, and it ain't like I asked you anything that would require a ton of brain power or time to answer. Woulda taken a simple yes or no.

So I'm guessin' you just might not be as classy a lil lassy as someone thinks.

And I'm guessin' that you probably don't wanna ask anyone else a question about nothin' on this forum cause then you'd just be stickin your foot right on into your mouth.


I dont mind answering questions at all- if you were paying attention then you would have noticed that I had already answered that same question to limakey.:read:

(post #983)

I am still reading- but so far its Robins younger sister Liza (co author) is the full out call girl - but they all hang out together and run in the same crowd.
its a real eye opener of a read- u should check it out.

[martin II]

That was my point!!! How about JIll? She did not see Simpson with a bare chest, just a bare arrm.



if oj stripped to his socks and put eveything in a neat pile before arriving at rockingham then someone else must have put the glove in the alleyway.imo
martin II

[sassylassy]

Classy Sassy Lassy,

This would tend to prove that Simpson is speaking hypothetically and that he was not the killer.


I agree. There are a few things in the book that are incorrect-like the back gate being broken- we all know it was the front gate. :shrug:
I heard on Larry King last night that the book does not discuss the actual murders ? :read:

[William Anthony]

I dont mind answering questions at all- if you were paying attention then you would have noticed that I had already answered that same question to limakey.:read:

(post #983)

I am still reading- but so far its Robins younger sister Liza (co author) is the full out call girl - but they all hang out together and run in the same crowd.
its a real eye opener of a read- u should check it out.

Classy Sassy Lassy,

Thank you for proving me correct. You not only have class but also patience.

[William Anthony]

I agree. There are a few things in the book that are incorrect-like the back gate being broken- we all know it was the front gate. :shrug:
I heard on Larry King last night that the book does not discuss the actual murders ? :read:

Careful Classy Sassy Lassy,

You may get some unnecessary wrath.:)

[martin II]

I agree. There are a few things in the book that are incorrect-like the back gate being broken- we all know it was the front gate. :shrug:
I heard on Larry King last night that the book does not discuss the actual murders ? :read:

sassy
i agree

Thanks for both of your most informative post.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

sassy
i agree

Thanks for both of your most informative post.

MARTIN ii

Pablo Funjves, the ghose writer must be getting a big kick out of this.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
not only that but it would negate Parks testimnony that he saw oj walk into the house with some dark colored clothes on. hahaha


OMG more "OJ said". hahahahahaha is right. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

Wasz came away from the person who asked him to follow Nicole convinced that Robert Kardashian wanted him to do it. Nitrini says that “according to Rocky,” Nicole, Faye and another of Nicole’s friends he did not name were in the back of his limo plotting to steal O.J.’s money and boasting that they were going to do it with O.J.’s blood that they somehow obtained in bottles. Rocky allegedly told O.J. about the plot and O.J. allegedly wanted Nicole followed to learn more about it. Nitrini did not know Wasz at the time but Bateman did.

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm

[limakey]

Martin,

The only problem I have with Kardashian being behind this or having any involvement in this is that the DA's tried a million times to get him on the stand. The police could have used this to bring him in to question him. He could not involve his lawyer status---lawyers do get accused and do go to trial for murder as well.

The only way I can think of why the police would leave Kardashian out of this is if they felt that it would open a much bigger can of worms that would lend creedance to other theories of the crime. As you know, many people believe drugs were involved, perhaps the Mafia or whatever.

However, there is a chance that the police questioned why BW felt Kardashian was behind it--in other words, did he not meet with Kardashian? How did he know Kardashian was behind it? It just seems to odd that he stole Paula's bronco, the same looking SUV as OJ Simpson's, AC Cowlings and Marcus Allen's. That is four white broncos that he had to choose from. Why OJ's girlfriend's? Wouldn't that be like drawing a map right to Paula's door and then to OJ's?

[socaldiva]

*snip*
plotting to steal O.J.’s money and boasting that they were going to do it with O.J.’s blood that they somehow obtained in bottles.

How utterly ridiculous. They "somehow obtained" bottles of OJ's blood? :lol:

[Suzee10]

How utterly ridiculous. They "somehow obtained" bottles of OJ's blood? :lol:


I found that astounding also socaldiva. Where was simpson supposed to have these bottles of blood stored? I do not know of anyone that stores their blood at some secluded place. Good Grief!!!:lol:

[2L8 4A D8]

How utterly ridiculous. They "somehow obtained" bottles of OJ's blood? :lol:

Yep, how utterly ridiculous and what's even more pathetic is that these 3 geniuses actually believe it! This is right up there with their assinine theory that "OJ was at Bundy the night of the murders, but he didn't commit the murders!" Remember that one? Good Gawd!

JMO and MOO!!

[tazzybaby]

sassy

This is real funny to me.

I think the ghost writer Pablo Funjves did a great job for The publishing company as requested.

He wrote a chapter to totally flake out anyone that would purchase the book
looking for some real info only to find something that is just a tease or a complete sucker joke.imo

For people that want to believe oj killed them, it gives them something to say see he says he did it.Even though they know it was a made up piece of B.S. But for thinking people, they would say i was had when i baught this book.

I think the publisher is to blame for this fake out as they are the ones that hired the ghost writer to pen this nonsense.imo

martin II

Hi Martin,

Have you read the agreement that OJ signed? In the agreement it says that OJ is solely to write that chapter with the help of a ghost writer. OJ had control over that chapter and could have changed it or not participated in it.

IMO the publisher is to blame for even considering doing something so low down and dirty. But, OJ is the real low down and dirty guy for not stopping or participating in this.

[Kate Sachel]

Wasz came away from the person who asked him to follow Nicole convinced that Robert Kardashian wanted him to do it. Nitrini says that “according to Rocky,” Nicole, Faye and another of Nicole’s friends he did not name were in the back of his limo plotting to steal O.J.’s money and boasting that they were going to do it with O.J.’s blood that they somehow obtained in bottles. Rocky allegedly told O.J. about the plot and O.J. allegedly wanted Nicole followed to learn more about it. Nitrini did not know Wasz at the time but Bateman did.

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm


They were not vampires for goodness sake, how did they obtain his blood?

Plotting to steal someone's money is a very unfortunate common scheme (though I don't necessarily believe it occurred in this case) but the theory lost any credibility the moment it included that they were going to do it with OJ's blood that they obtained in bottles.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

Pablo Funjves, the ghose writer must be getting a big kick out of this.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Did you see where OJ said that Pablo was NOT the Ghost Writer? It has been confirmed that he was the Ghost Writer. But, OJ denied that he was. I don't know why OJ would say that?

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

Martin,

The only problem I have with Kardashian being behind this or having any involvement in this is that the DA's tried a million times to get him on the stand. The police could have used this to bring him in to question him. He could not involve his lawyer status---lawyers do get accused and do go to trial for murder as well.

The only way I can think of why the police would leave Kardashian out of this is if they felt that it would open a much bigger can of worms that would lend creedance to other theories of the crime. As you know, many people believe drugs were involved, perhaps the Mafia or whatever.

However, there is a chance that the police questioned why BW felt Kardashian was behind it--in other words, did he not meet with Kardashian? How did he know Kardashian was behind it? It just seems to odd that he stole Paula's bronco, the same looking SUV as OJ Simpson's, AC Cowlings and Marcus Allen's. That is four white broncos that he had to choose from. Why OJ's girlfriend's? Wouldn't that be like drawing a map right to Paula's door and then to OJ's?

Hi Limakey,

You know that BW met with OJ and Kardashian right? Kardashian supposedly gave him the "instructions" but BW said he had the understanding that OJ knew and wanted it done also. He also said that Paula knew about him stealing her SUV. So, he actually implicated Paula, Kardashian and OJ. It's very tangled.

[martin II]

I found that astounding also socaldiva. Where was simpson supposed to have these bottles of blood stored? I do not know of anyone that stores their blood at some secluded place. Good Grief!!!:lol:

Suzie

I think that some people do store their blood at private blood banks/labs for future emergencies purposes.imo
martin II

[Martyrdom]

I dont mind answering questions at all- if you were paying attention then you would have noticed that I had already answered that same question to limakey.:read:

(post #983)

I am still reading- but so far its Robins younger sister Liza (co author) is the full out call girl - but they all hang out together and run in the same crowd.
its a real eye opener of a read- u should check it out.

Nope, ya told me to "read the book" and to me the above don't answer the question on if Robin was a call girl cause you say "so far" but martin has been yappin' all over the place that Robin's a real call girl.

I am likin' the lips though ... those are great.

[William Anthony]

Nope, ya told me to "read the book" and to me the above don't answer the question on if Robin was a call girl cause you say "so far" but martin has been yappin' all over the place that Robin's a real call girl.

I am likin' the lips though ... those are great.

Yes, they are and she opens them with class and patience. I adore what comes out of them as much as their obvious aesthetic beauty.

[martin II]

Nope, ya told me to "read the book" and to me the above don't answer the question on if Robin was a call girl cause you say "so far" but martin has been yappin' all over the place that Robin's a real call girl.

I am likin' the lips though ... those are great.

martyrdom

i have posted links to a site that have reported on Robins activities.It is your option not believe the site if that is your choice. Or you can post information to prove that the info in the site is wrong. .imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Nope, ya told me to "read the book" and to me the above don't answer the question on if Robin was a call girl cause you say "so far" but martin has been yappin' all over the place that Robin's a real call girl.

I am likin' the lips though ... those are great.

Hi Martyrdom,

Hope all is well with you and we missed you not posting.

Robin Greer was actually friends with OJ before she was friends with Nicole. Robin Greer was a good friend of OJ's sister from when they were kids. Robin was married to a close friend of OJ's. This came out of OJ's mouth in the testimony at the civil trial. And, I haven't seen anywhere that says she was a true call girl. I think Sassy is still in the process of reading the book. So, she's suppose to keep us updated.

:seeya:

[martin II]

Hi Martyrdom,

Hope all is well with you and we missed you not posting.

Robin Greer was actually friends with OJ before she was friends with Nicole. Robin Greer was a good friend of OJ's sister from when they were kids. Robin was married to a close friend of OJ's. This came out of OJ's mouth in the testimony at the civil trial. And, I haven't seen anywhere that says she was a true call girl. I think Sassy is still in the process of reading the book. So, she's suppose to keep us updated.

:seeya:

tazzy hi

Now i need help. What is the differance between to TRUE CALL GIRL and maby a PART TIME call girl? Is it just the differance the time on the job?
martin II

[Martyrdom]

martyrdom

i have posted links to a site that have reported on Robins activities.It is your option not believe the site if that is your choice. Or you can post information to prove that the info in the site is wrong. .imo
martin II

It's the book written by Robin that Sassy's been tellin' us about that's provin' your stupid link wrong.

[Martyrdom]

Hi Martyrdom,

Hope all is well with you and we missed you not posting.

Robin Greer was actually friends with OJ before she was friends with Nicole. Robin Greer was a good friend of OJ's sister from when they were kids. Robin was married to a close friend of OJ's. This came out of OJ's mouth in the testimony at the civil trial. And, I haven't seen anywhere that says she was a true call girl. I think Sassy is still in the process of reading the book. So, she's suppose to keep us updated.

:seeya:

Thanks tazzy! I was missin' the likes of yourself, Kate, and socaldiva too.

I enjoy readin' your honesty 'bout what happened to you and I think that you tellin' your history helps a whole bunch.

[martin II]

Hi Martyrdom,

Hope all is well with you and we missed you not posting.

Robin Greer was actually friends with OJ before she was friends with Nicole. Robin Greer was a good friend of OJ's sister from when they were kids. Robin was married to a close friend of OJ's. This came out of OJ's mouth in the testimony at the civil trial. And, I haven't seen anywhere that says she was a true call girl. I think Sassy is still in the process of reading the book. So, she's suppose to keep us updated.

:seeya:

tazzy hi

here is more info on the subject.

martin II

You'll Never Make Love In This Town Again
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You'll Never Make Love In This Town Again (ISBN 0-7871-0404-3)is a 1996 book which describes four prostitutes' stories about their sexual encounters with Hollywood celebrities, including Warren Beatty, David Crosby, Jack Wagner and Billy Idol, among others. Sisters Robin Greer and Liza Greer are contributors. A sequel, Hooking Up: You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again Again, was released in 2006 and includes accounts of Brad Pitt and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You'll_Never_Make_Love_In_This_Town_Again

[William Anthony]

tazzy hi

here is more info on the subject.

martin II

You'll Never Make Love In This Town Again
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
You'll Never Make Love In This Town Again (ISBN 0-7871-0404-3)is a 1996 book which describes four prostitutes' stories about their sexual encounters with Hollywood celebrities, including Warren Beatty, David Crosby, Jack Wagner and Billy Idol, among others. Sisters Robin Greer and Liza Greer are contributors. A sequel, Hooking Up: You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again Again, was released in 2006 and includes accounts of Brad Pitt and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You'll_Never_Make_Love_In_This_Town_Again

Please, check pms.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Did you see where OJ said that Pablo was NOT the Ghost Writer? It has been confirmed that he was the Ghost Writer. But, OJ denied that he was. I don't know why OJ would say that?

:shrug:

tazzy hi
no i did not see that. can you show me ojs words in a link?
martin II

[martin II]

It's the book written by Robin that Sassy's been tellin' us about that's provin' your stupid link wrong.

martyrdom

If sassy has told us that the book reports that Robin Greer was NOT a call girl
then the link MAY be wrong. However since you are certain that the link is wrong, you can give us your proof that it is.imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi
no i did not see that. can you show me ojs words in a link?
martin II


tazzy hi
Fenjves has not acknowledged any involvement with the book. Simpson, on the other hand, in an interview on WTPS-AM in Miami not only named Fenjves as the ghostwriter but suggested that he knew things only the killer could have known.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=1010641

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
Fenjves has not acknowledged any involvement with the book. Simpson, on the other hand, in an interview on WTPS-AM in Miami not only named Fenjves as the ghostwriter but suggested that he knew things only the killer could have known.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=1010641

martin II


Hi Martin,

Here's where Simpson said it......(this was before the contract was made public)

The ghostwriter of If I Did It knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said. The writer was not a witness at the criminal trial, as has been reported, Simpson said.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-01-14-oj-simpson_x.htm?c

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Here's where Simpson said it......(this was before the contract was made public)

The ghostwriter of If I Did It knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said. The writer was not a witness at the criminal trial, as has been reported, Simpson said.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-01-14-oj-simpson_x.htm?c

tazzy hi

i am looking for the part where oj says Pablo was not the ghost writer in your link
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

Now i need help. What is the differance between to TRUE CALL GIRL and maby a PART TIME call girl? Is it just the differance the time on the job?
martin II

Hi Martin,

first, since I have found this in the transcripts again, let me reference it here...(OJ's deposition)

Q: What about Robin Greer? Did you have any sort of friendship with her?

A: No. She was married to a friend of mine, and--years ago, and I think they had come by, and I used to have a lot of people over on weekends playing tennis, and then she was my ex-wife's sister's friend, so I knew her when she was an early teen, but not a friend of mine, no.



Q: Okay. What about Robin Greer? Did you know her as a close friend of Nicole's in the two years prior to June 12th, 1994?

A: I remember she was helping Nicole get a--A close friend, no, but I never-- I wouldn't socialize with her, so I don't know. But I would say no, not in the year I was back with her.

I know when Nicole went out, she may have seen her from time to time and I think once even spent the night at Nicole's house, but she wasn't a girl Nicole hung out with, no.


http://simpson.walraven.org/oj_depo9.html

Now, to answer your question. I don't think she did if full time. You may consider doing it once full fledge. But, I would consider someone who does it all the time full time. I'm not trying to take up for her. But, her and Nicole were not really close friends.

And, I need to clear something up. In one of my previous posts I stated that Robin was friends with OJ's sister. It was OJ's sister-in-law. But, OJ knew her way before Nicole. And, they (her and her husband, OJ's friend) came to his house (around the kids) for parties sometimes.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

i am looking for the part where oj says Pablo was not the ghost writer in your link
martin II

well, I copied it into the post. Can you not find it? Keep looking....it's there.

:seeya:

[martin II]

tazzy hi

i am looking for the part where oj says Pablo was not the ghost writer in your link
martin II

tazzy hi
Pablo was a prosecution witness in the criminal trial.

You did see that Regan books is being closed down.
That book amout the yankee hero was the last straw.
Wonder what Regan is doing now.
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

first, since I have found this in the transcripts again, let me reference it here...(OJ's deposition)

Q: What about Robin Greer? Did you have any sort of friendship with her?

A: No. She was married to a friend of mine, and--years ago, and I think they had come by, and I used to have a lot of people over on weekends playing tennis, and then she was my ex-wife's sister's friend, so I knew her when she was an early teen, but not a friend of mine, no.



Q: Okay. What about Robin Greer? Did you know her as a close friend of Nicole's in the two years prior to June 12th, 1994?

A: I remember she was helping Nicole get a--A close friend, no, but I never-- I wouldn't socialize with her, so I don't know. But I would say no, not in the year I was back with her.

I know when Nicole went out, she may have seen her from time to time and I think once even spent the night at Nicole's house, but she wasn't a girl Nicole hung out with, no.


http://simpson.walraven.org/oj_depo9.html

Now, to answer your question. I don't think she did if full time. You may consider doing it once full fledge. But, I would consider someone who does it all the time full time. I'm not trying to take up for her. But, her and Nicole were not really close friends.

And, I need to clear something up. In one of my previous posts I stated that Robin was friends with OJ's sister. It was OJ's sister-in-law. But, OJ knew her way before Nicole. And, they (her and her husband, OJ's friend) came to his house (around the kids) for parties sometimes.

Tazzy hi

i know a woman that lives not too far from me. She is a dancing girl at a bar downtown. She prostitues on wednesday friday and saturday nights.
I use to tease her that she was a part time hooker and she would respond that only because she does not have baby sitters for the other nights.

So if Robin was a part time hooker and that means, in the scheme of things, she was not a real hooker, thats ok with me.

So lets say when she was active she was a hooker and on other days she was Robin, the real estate salesperson or mother.


martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
Pablo was a prosecution witness in the criminal trial.

You did see that Regan books is being closed down.
That book amout the yankee hero was the last straw.
Wonder what Regan is doing now.
martin II

Hi Martin,

I know what you are saying. I have read it too. Simpson has said that it was Pablo.

But, he has said in this interview that the Ghost Writer was someone who wasn't a part of the trial. He said they had to research just to know what was going on. Why would he say that? I don't get it. Why say that he was and then it was someone else? Did he have two Ghost Writers. And, you also saw in the legal papers that Simpson signed the sheet that says that the book would be written by Simpson with the help of a Ghost Writer. It says that Simpson would write it and that he would be helped by a Ghost Writer. So, which was it? Simpson wrote it with help or Simpson didn't write any of it? I have a hard time believing Simpson. Especially when he keeps contradicting himself.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy hi

i know a woman that lives not too far from me. She is a dancing girl at a bar downtown. She prostitues on wednesday friday and saturday nights.
I use to tease her that she was a part time hooker and she would respond that only because she does not have baby sitters for the other nights.

So if Robin was a part time hooker and that means, in the scheme of things, she was not a real hooker, thats ok with me.

So lets say when she was active she was a hooker and on other days she was Robin, the real estate salesperson or mother.

What kind of world would it be withour hookers.

martin II


Hi Martin,

Why do you know this woman? You should not be hanging out with her.

:biggrin:

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I know what you are saying. I have read it too. Simpson has said that it was Pablo.

But, he has said in this interview that the Ghost Writer was someone who wasn't a part of the trial. He said they had to research just to know what was going on. Why would he say that? I don't get it. Why say that he was and then it was someone else? Did he have two Ghost Writers. And, you also saw in the legal papers that Simpson signed the sheet that says that the book would be written by Simpson with the help of a Ghost Writer. It says that Simpson would write it and that he would be helped by a Ghost Writer. So, which was it? Simpson wrote it with help or Simpson didn't write any of it? I have a hard time believing Simpson. Especially when he keeps contradicting himself.

:shrug:

Regan hired Pablo as the shost writer and he got $100,000 for his efforts. He was a ex boyfriend of Regan and lived a few yards from nicole.
martin II

[jotun]

Hi Martin,

But, he has said in this interview that the Ghost Writer was someone who wasn't a part of the trial. He said they had to research just to know what was going on. Why would he say that? I don't get it. Why say that he was and then it was someone else? Did he have two Ghost Writers. And, you also saw in the legal papers that Simpson signed the sheet that says that the book would be written by Simpson with the help of a Ghost Writer. It says that Simpson would write it and that he would be helped by a Ghost Writer. So, which was it? Simpson wrote it with help or Simpson didn't write any of it? I have a hard time believing Simpson. Especially when he keeps contradicting himself.

:shrug:

tazzy- martin
The O.J.quotes have to be read very carefully.Sometimes the writer says what he said and is not exact words in quotes. O.J.talks so much, he is hard to follow by the media.They only want specifics.So that is what they try to relay.They interrupt him constantly.We have all seen the interviews. Hence the confusion.

Maybe there were 2 ghostwriters.I remember Schiller's book co-written with Willworth.One interviewed people, the other wrote the actual text.If Fenjves was the only writer doesn't mean he knew anything about the rest of the case,just because he was a disproven time-line witness.Or that O.J. remembered him.
Most if not ALL the O.J.books were written by ghostwriters.Some given credit on the cover. Most not.
Johnnie-Bob-Darden-Clark-Fuhrman-Lange& Vanatter etc ALL written by ghostwritters. Surely just like all the others he talked with the writer.O.J.said he worked with the writer on 6 chapters.Then would NOT participate in the murder chapter."I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS. SO THEY NEGOTIATED AND NEGOTIATED SAID LETS MAKE IT A HYPOTHECIAL" O.J. had approval.He even said he read 'The Night In Question' chapter but didn't correct any of the facts so anyone who knew anything about the case would know he didn't write it. In fact the Goldman's have disputed some of it as wrong.
IF any of it is accurate.The LAPD has alot of explaining to do.

jotun

[martin II]

tazzy- martin
The O.J.quotes have to be read very carefully.Sometimes the writer says what he said and is not exact words in quotes. O.J.talks so much, he is hard to follow by the media.They only want specifics.So that is what they try to relay.They interrupt him constantly.We have all seen the interviews. Hence the confusion.

Maybe there were 2 ghostwriters.I remember Schiller's book co-written with Willworth.One interviewed people, the other wrote the actual text.If Fenjves was the only writer doesn't mean he knew anything about the rest of the case,just because he was a disproven time-line witness.Or that O.J. remembered him.
Most if not ALL the O.J.books were written by ghostwriters.Some given credit on the cover. Most not.
Johnnie-Bob-Darden-Clark-Fuhrman-Lange& Vanatter etc ALL written by ghostwritters. Surely just like all the others he talked with the writer.O.J.said he worked with the writer on 6 chapters.Then would NOT participate in the murder chapter."I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS. SO THEY NEGOTIATED AND NEGOTIATED SAID LETS MAKE IT A HYPOTHECIAL" O.J. had approval.He even said he read 'The Night In Question' chapter but didn't correct any of the facts so anyone who knew anything about the case would know he didn't write it. In fact the Goldman's have disputed some of it as wrong.
IF any of it is accurate.The LAPD has alot of explaining to do.

jotun


Thanks
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy- martin
The O.J.quotes have to be read very carefully.Sometimes the writer says what he said and is not exact words in quotes. O.J.talks so much, he is hard to follow by the media.They only want specifics.So that is what they try to relay.They interrupt him constantly.We have all seen the interviews. Hence the confusion.

Maybe there were 2 ghostwriters.I remember Schiller's book co-written with Willworth.One interviewed people, the other wrote the actual text.If Fenjves was the only writer doesn't mean he knew anything about the rest of the case,just because he was a disproven time-line witness.Or that O.J. remembered him.
Most if not ALL the O.J.books were written by ghostwriters.Some given credit on the cover. Most not.
Johnnie-Bob-Darden-Clark-Fuhrman-Lange& Vanatter etc ALL written by ghostwritters. Surely just like all the others he talked with the writer.O.J.said he worked with the writer on 6 chapters.Then would NOT participate in the murder chapter."I HAVE NOTHING TO CONFESS. SO THEY NEGOTIATED AND NEGOTIATED SAID LETS MAKE IT A HYPOTHECIAL" O.J. had approval.He even said he read 'The Night In Question' chapter but didn't correct any of the facts so anyone who knew anything about the case would know he didn't write it. In fact the Goldman's have disputed some of it as wrong.
IF any of it is accurate.The LAPD has alot of explaining to do.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

But, the article says that OJ says .... Contrary to what is being reported, the Ghost Writer did NOT testify in the criminal trial. And, that he had to research the murders. That isn't just something they can get from interrupting him, taking partial things he said or confusing him. This is a pretty bold statement.

The contract has been made public. We know there isn't another Ghost Writer. And, the contract even says that OJ will write it with the assistance of the Ghost Writer. OJ signed at the bottom.

He is constant contradiction.

[martin II]

Hi Jotun,

But, the article says that OJ says .... Contrary to what is being reported, the Ghost Writer did NOT testify in the criminal trial. And, that he had to research the murders. That isn't just something they can get from interrupting him, taking partial things he said or confusing him. This is a pretty bold statement.

The contract has been made public. We know there isn't another Ghost Writer. And, the contract even says that OJ will write it with the assistance of the Ghost Writer. OJ signed at the bottom.

He is constant contradiction.

tazzy hi
i know you would like to hang oj as much and as often as you can but you know Funjves wrote every word of that chapter. You are too smart to fall for that nonsense imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i know you would like to hang oj as much and as often as you can but you know Funjves wrote every word of that chapter. You are too smart to fall for that nonsense imo
martin II


Martin,

You take everything that I say as me attacking OJ. It's not that. I don't take his word for anything because he's a proven liar. So, when I hear him talking I try and look for back up. Have you read the contract? Did you see where OJ signed it? Did you see that there was a specific page about the chapter in question? Did you see that OJ actually signed that page also? OJ has always blamed everyone else for anything bad that happened to him. OJ is responsible for that chapter. I don't know if he sat down and told the Ghost Writer what to write. Neither do you. You are going by what he says. I don't. I do know that there was no way that he wrote the sentences. He is not good with grammar. So, do I think he typed the words? No. But, I believe he was a big part of it. And, I also think that the broken "back" gate latch was put in there on purpose by OJ.

Also, here's ANOTHER article with the same information of him stating the Ghost Writer was not in the criminal trial.

The ghostwriter of "If I Did It" knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said. The writer was not a witness at the criminal trial, as has been reported, Simpson said.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Books/2007/01/14/3363157-ap.html

[martin II]

Martin,

You take everything that I say as me attacking OJ. It's not that. I don't take his word for anything because he's a proven liar. So, when I hear him talking I try and look for back up. Have you read the contract? Did you see where OJ signed it? Did you see that there was a specific page about the chapter in question? Did you see that OJ actually signed that page also? OJ has always blamed everyone else for anything bad that happened to him. OJ is responsible for that chapter. I don't know if he sat down and told the Ghost Writer what to write. Neither do you. You are going by what he says. I don't. I do know that there was no way that he wrote the sentences. He is not good with grammar. So, do I think he typed the words? No. But, I believe he was a big part of it. And, I also think that the broken "back" gate latch was put in there on purpose by OJ.

Also, here's ANOTHER article with the same information of him stating the Ghost Writer was not in the criminal trial.

The ghostwriter of "If I Did It" knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said. The writer was not a witness at the criminal trial, as has been reported, Simpson said.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Books/2007/01/14/3363157-ap.html

tazzy hi

i have not seen the contract was it posted here??? i saw a ctv reporter waving some papers last week saying she had the contracts.


Can you direct me to the contracts.

The parts of that chapter that i have read little parts of do not seem to be anything but fake bluster, misdirection and made up stuff for people that want to read something, anything. As i have said i would not buy it because of the above reasons.

martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

oj was wrong about fujenves. he testified on 2/7

martin ii

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

i have not seen the contract was it posted here??? i saw a ctv reporter waving some papers last week saying she had the contracts.


Can you direct me to the contracts.

The parts of that chapter that i have read little parts of do not seem to be anything but fake bluster, misdirection and made up stuff for people that want to read something, anything. As i have said i would not buy it because of the above reasons.

martin II

Hi Martin,

Here is the contract.

On page 37 is OJ's signature with the clause that the book would be writen solely by him with the help of a writer.

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/hollywood_heat/articles/2007/features/hh/01/goldmanamendedcomplaint.pdf

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Here is the contract.

On page 37 is OJ's signature with the clause that the book would be writen solely by him with the help of a writer.

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/hollywood_heat/articles/2007/features/hh/01/goldmanamendedcomplaint.pdf

tazzy hi

I believe that oj saying he will write the book is no more than a effort to meet the legal contract requirement of responsibility. Pablo wrote the book.

Oj is listed as the author/writer.who is the proprietor? The broker?

[martin II]

tazzy hi

There may have been over 100 books written about the murders of Nicole and Ron . TV and print media made millions on millions with various interviews, some short comedy films and cable crime stations.

All of this without any concern or respect for the victims or their families. Everyone cashed in on this free cash cow of a tragedy. People got rich and many careers were enhanced by this coverage. All were making what we call blood money.

OJ wrties a book (fake at that) and all of a sudden these same people are outraged because he was not showing any concern or respect for the victims and their famalies because he was making money. Blood money, because of the deaths.

martin II

[Suzee10]

Yep, how utterly ridiculous and what's even more pathetic is that these 3 geniuses actually believe it! This is right up there with their assinine theory that "OJ was at Bundy the night of the murders, but he didn't commit the murders!" Remember that one? Good Gawd!

JMO and MOO!!

Yeas as a matter of fact I do remember that, it is ridiculous.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
OJ wrties a book (fake at that) and all of a sudden these same people are outraged because he was not showing any concern or respect for the victims and their famalies because he was making money. Blood money, because of the deaths.


Duh! Maybe it's because he is the one that killed them & then has the nerve to write about how he would have done it if it was him. :rolleyes:

[jotun]

Martin,

Also, here's ANOTHER article with the same information of him stating the Ghost Writer was not in the criminal trial.

The ghostwriter of "If I Did It" knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Books/2007/01/14/3363157-ap.html

All-- Not ANOTHER.The SAME article. Written by LINDA DEUTSCH.Who attended most every day of the trials. Wrote the fairest articles. In fact after the murder trial O.J. called LINDA and a few other reporters and thanked them for that fairness.
LINDA has done many interviews with O.J.since.
This is an AP article. Can be used by many sites and papers, all or part.Was in my local paper also.

jotun
A witness would NOT know the facts of the case.Were ordered by Judge Ito NOT to watch.

[jotun]

tazzy hi

There may have been over 100 books written about the murders of Nicole and Ron . TV and print media made millions on millions with various interviews, some short comedy films and cable crime stations.

All of this without any concern or respect for the victims or their families. Everyone cashed in on this free cash cow of a tragedy. People got rich and many careers were enhanced by this coverage. All were making what we call blood money.

OJ wrties a book (fake at that) and all of a sudden these same people are outraged because he was not showing any concern or respect for the victims and their famalies because he was making money. Blood money, because of the deaths.

martin II


Martin- All

Absolutly........
Including the Browns & Goldmans!!!!!

jotun

[martin II]

Tazzy hi

see Goldmans sue thread. i posted a link on the case.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin- All

Absolutly........
Including the Browns & Goldmans!!!!!

jotun

jotun
thanks
it seems that after everyone made their money and fame, 11 years later they seemed to all of a sudden get some moral outrage and concern about the victims and famalies when the subject is brought up again by the person,oj, that they all made their money on.
martinII

[socaldiva]

jotun
thanks
it seems that after everyone made their money and fame, 11 years later they seemed to all of a sudden get some moral outrage and concern about the victims and famalies when the subject is brought up again by the person,oj, that they all made their money on.
martinII

Why would anyone object to Fred Goldman writing with affection about what his Son was like in life? Big difference between that & having the double murderer write a book about how he "might" have killed them.

[littlebit]

Martin,

You take everything that I say as me attacking OJ. It's not that. I don't take his word for anything because he's a proven liar. So, when I hear him talking I try and look for back up. Have you read the contract? Did you see where OJ signed it? Did you see that there was a specific page about the chapter in question? Did you see that OJ actually signed that page also? OJ has always blamed everyone else for anything bad that happened to him. OJ is responsible for that chapter. I don't know if he sat down and told the Ghost Writer what to write. Neither do you. You are going by what he says. I don't. I do know that there was no way that he wrote the sentences. He is not good with grammar. So, do I think he typed the words? No. But, I believe he was a big part of it. And, I also think that the broken "back" gate latch was put in there on purpose by OJ.

Also, here's ANOTHER article with the same information of him stating the Ghost Writer was not in the criminal trial.

The ghostwriter of "If I Did It" knew nothing about the case when he came into the project and had to do a lot of research, Simpson said. The writer was not a witness at the criminal trial, as has been reported, Simpson said.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Books/2007/01/14/3363157-ap.html

The book could be his way of throwing people off track.

[Heyes]

Why would anyone object to Fred Goldman writing with affection about what his Son was like in life? Big difference between that & having the double murderer write a book about how he "might" have killed them.



ITA!


:beer:

[limakey]

Taz,

Hi, hope all is going good!

I agree with you that every thing is "tangled" in this case. What I would really like to know is what did the police do after they found Paula's Bronco with the notebook? Did the police know who he was following? Did they ever confront him with this notebook? I find it odd that it was BW's own lawyer handed it over to the cops.

Another point, the motive against Simpson, was very, very weak, IMO. While I have never understood why they didn't go with the crime of passion motive, I do believe that would have been slightly stronger then domestic violence but still not really convincing.

However, if you toss BW into the trial, IMO, you have a whole different ball game. I have to wonder why the police and the DA's did not follow up on this.

The only reason why I think BW was ignored by the police was because his statements about being afraid Simpson make no more sense then Faye's statements. If Simpson acted alone and was in jail, then what is to fear?

It appears to me Faye and BW were scared but not of Simpson and his friends, such as AC and others. While I believe that AC was a loyal friend, there is nothing to suggest that he would have been involved with Nicole's murder or cover up of the murder. There is no evidence that I remember where he lied for Simpson. There were powerful friends of Simpson who did nothing more then help finance his legal defense. The accusations that Simpson was behind all this fear and the many break ins, makes no sense. IMO.

[weezer]

*Snipped*While I believe that AC was a loyal friend, there is nothing to suggest that he would have been involved with Nicole's murder or cover up of the murder. There is no evidence that I remember where he lied for Simpson.

There is a lot of evidence that AC was more than willing to 'cover up' for orenthal. And, if he was willing to 'cover up' -- that equates to being involved. IMO

If you have not already done so, re-read AC's deposition. He did orenthal's scut work for years -- including helping orenthal after the beating of Nicole and making the rounds of Nicole's friends after the murders to see what they knew/suspected. IMOO

[Kate Sachel]

*Snipped*

There is a lot of evidence that AC was more than willing to 'cover up' for orenthal. And, if he was willing to 'cover up' -- that equates to being involved. IMO

If you have not already done so, re-read AC's deposition. He did orenthal's scut work for years -- including helping orenthal after the beating of Nicole and making the rounds of Nicole's friends after the murders to see what they knew/suspected. IMOO


Yes, he has definitely always been OJ's go-to guy in times of trouble.

As I read through all of the information it becomes clear to me that AC did love Nicole very much; it was he who apparently tried to get Nicole to come clean at the hospital regarding how she sustained her injuries in 1989. It was he who also apparently stepped into the middle of many fights to take Nicole's side.

Yet it was also he who drove OJ around in the Bronco.

**sigh** I just don't know how much leniency to give him.

Kate

[littlebit]

Yes, he has definitely always been OJ's go-to guy in times of trouble.

As I read through all of the information it becomes clear to me that AC did love Nicole very much; it was he who apparently tried to get Nicole to come clean at the hospital regarding how she sustained her injuries in 1989. It was he who also apparently stepped into the middle of many fights to take Nicole's side.

Yet it was also he who drove OJ around in the Bronco.

**sigh** I just don't know how much leniency to give him.

Kate

I remember my father stating AC was the real murder. He said AC wanted Orenthal to kill himself. Those statements would aggravate my mother to no end. I thought that AC loved Orenthal's first wife. I have thought that he might be jealous of Orenthal. I still believe that Orenthal is the one who did the crimes.

[jotun]

I remember my father stating AC was the real murder. He said AC wanted Orenthal to kill himself. I thought that AC loved Orenthal's first wife. I have thought that he might be jealous of Orenthal.

Interesting:
An AP author obtained a police report that stated:
"John McKinnon a retired plumber saw a white Bronco 2 blocks from the scene.Agitated driver was "racing around with headlights off." McKinnon joted down partial license plate numbers. The first 3 numbers were A.C.'s Bronco plate.He called police June 14-before anyone even heard of A.C. And before Shively made the same claim.[Fuhrman's partner] Roberts took the report "can't find."
Opps 'LOST'

"McKinnon recieved a threat
'Keep trap shut Icepik'."

jotun

[sassylassy]

:read:
OJ Simpson says he never laid a finger on murdered wife


New York, Jan. 23: Author O. J. Simpson's notorious memoir 'If I Did It' refutes allegations that he ever beat his wife, Nicole Brown, in anger.

The never-to-be-published book also claims that Nicole would have brought the truth to light on her own if she were alive.

James Wolcott who obtained the book revealed these facts at www.vanityfair.com on Monday.

Simpson, who was found not guilty of murdering Nicole and Ronald Goldman in 1994, also wrote in the book that it was his late wife who had such a temper that she would "slap the help".

"To convey this split personality," the New York Daily News quoted Wolcott as writing, "this ongoing bipolar Ping-Pong exhibition, one chapter is titled 'The Two Nicoles.' Two Nicoles were too much for Simpson, who never knew when he picked up the phone or entered the driveway if he was going to get the purring Nicole or the spitting hellcat."

Simpson and Nicole will also turn up in Bill Liederman's memoir of his Central Park South bar 'Mickey Mantle's: Behind the Scenes in America's Most Famous Sports Bar', slated to be released in April this year.

Liederman recounts the day when Simpson was successfully hitting on a beautiful young blond by offering her a part on his show '1st & Ten', and Nicole suddenly appeared at the entrance "scanning the room for her philandering husband like a quarterback picking up a blitzing safety."

Simpson, however, managed to escape by jumping over the back of the booth, and getting into the alley.

When Nicole asked if he'd seen her husband, Liederman lied and said no.

"She stood there with a hollow, injured look in her eyes, noticing the blond cowering in the corner," Liederman writes. " 'Yeah, right,' she said tersely. 'He's been here,'" Liederman said

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=84211

[socaldiva]

*snip*
OJ Simpson says he never laid a finger on murdered wife

New York, Jan. 23: Author O. J. Simpson's notorious memoir 'If I Did It' refutes allegations that he ever beat his wife, Nicole Brown, in anger.


Of course he denies it, he's a proven liar. He's trying to say that she was the one with the temper? He's such a coward & he has absolutely no class.

[sassylassy]

Of course he denies it, he's a proven liar. He's trying to say that she was the one with the temper? He's such a coward & he has absolutely no class.

thats what it sounds like he is saying and then some ---
according to the interview :read:

[socaldiva]

thats what it sounds like he is saying and then some ---
according to the interview :read:

It doesn't matter what he says. He has ZERO credibility.

[limakey]

Kate,

IMO, AC was doing the same thing Lange was doing when he was talking to him on the cell---they were trying to save a man's life. I do not believe that there were many people who wanted to see OJ kill himself. IMO, I believe many people would have felt that even if he went to prison for the rest of his life, it would be much better then losing both parents to death.

IMO, since the Bronco chase was never entered into evidence and AC wasn't charged, I believe the police did come to believe that he was not trying to run away, just delaying reality.

In all fairness to Nicole and Simpson, they were "the go to people" when manky of their friends, including AC were in trouble. I have no yet come across any evidence where AC would have lied and tried to cover up for Simpson if he believed he was guilty.

I would hope if I was ever in that desperate of a state, regardless for the reason, I would have friend who would be there for me.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I believe the police did come to believe that he was not trying to run away, just delaying reality.


I think you are wrong. I doubt the police believe he had a disguise & a load of cash to "delay reality", unless you mean by about 50 yrs.

[sassylassy]

It doesn't matter what he says. He has ZERO credibility.

well it matters to me- I want to hear what he has to say and judge for myself. :read:

[limakey]

S-Diva,

If the police did feel Simpson was running away, then why didn't they introduce the chase and the items found inside the Bronco into the trial? It is simple, the explainations Simpson and/or AC gave were true, which probably were confirmed by quite a few people.

There has to be at least one if not more powerful reasons why the DA's didn't introduce the chase, IMO.

[socaldiva]

well it matters to me- I want to hear what he has to say and judge for myself. :read:

By all means, feel free to read/listen to whatever nonsense he is spouting. It's just that when someone posts here "OJ said", it's taken by most to be laughable.

[limakey]

S-Diva,

Now you know how NG's feel about what comes out Fuhrman's, Vanatter's, etc. mouths! Well finally we may agree on something!:lol:

[socaldiva]

S-Diva,

If the police did feel Simpson was running away, then why didn't they introduce the chase and the items found inside the Bronco into the trial?.

I think we've been over this one several times. IIRC the D.A. didn't bring in the Bronco chase for reasons other than what you state.

[sassylassy]

S-Diva,

Now you know how NG's feel about what comes out Fuhrman's, Vanatter's, etc. mouths! Well finally we may agree on something!:lol:

:beer: ------.:beer:

[socaldiva]

S-Diva,

Now you know how NG's feel about what comes out Fuhrman's, Vanatter's, etc. mouths! Well finally we may agree on something!:lol:

No, we don't agree. I'll take the side of LE over the double murderer any day of the week. Fuhrman & Vanatter were never on trial & they were never discredited, OJ was.

[Kate Sachel]

S-Diva,

If the police did feel Simpson was running away, then why didn't they introduce the chase and the items found inside the Bronco into the trial? It is simple, the explainations Simpson and/or AC gave were true, which probably were confirmed by quite a few people.

There has to be at least one if not more powerful reasons why the DA's didn't introduce the chase, IMO.

How anyone could not believe that he was running away frankly baffles me.

I believe that the prosecution did not introduce that into trial based on the fact that public opinion overwhelmingly supported Simpson which means that possibly the members of the jury would also. You see for yourself how the Bronco "chase" with it's purported "suicide attempt" has made many feel sympathetic toward Simpson and perhaps they feared it would have that affect on the jury.

The explanantion that OJ and A.C. gave were confirmed by a few people and debunked by just as many.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

S-Diva,

Now you know how NG's feel about what comes out Fuhrman's, Vanatter's, etc. mouths! Well finally we may agree on something!:lol:

The comparison is ridiculous at best.

Have you bothered to read up on Simpson's deposition and testimony for the civil trial? If you have then you are obviously aware of the fact that OJ sat one lie right on top of another, at every turn and regarding every scenario imaginable. To the point where he was impeached on more than one occassion by his very best friend A.C.

Can you make a list of the things that Vanatter, Lange, and Fuhrman were proven to have lied about? And I mean proven, not speculation. I can compile a lengthy list of all of the things that OJ was proven to have lied about.

When you have your list ready let me know and we can certainly run through it and do the side by side comparison.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

well it matters to me- I want to hear what he has to say and judge for myself. :read:

I agree with you. Judging for one's self is absolutely necessary in order to form your personal beliefs and truths.

That is what I had to do. In the face of everyone who told me that I was wasting my time because he was clearly guilty, I did my own research and came to my own conclusions.

My conclusion is that he is guilty, but I certainly took my time reaching it.

Kate

[littlebit]

Kate,

IMO, AC was doing the same thing Lange was doing when he was talking to him on the cell---they were trying to save a man's life. I do not believe that there were many people who wanted to see OJ kill himself. IMO, I believe many people would have felt that even if he went to prison for the rest of his life, it would be much better then losing both parents to death.

IMO, since the Bronco chase was never entered into evidence and AC wasn't charged, I believe the police did come to believe that he was not trying to run away, just delaying reality.

In all fairness to Nicole and Simpson, they were "the go to people" when manky of their friends, including AC were in trouble. I have no yet come across any evidence where AC would have lied and tried to cover up for Simpson if he believed he was guilty.

I would hope if I was ever in that desperate of a state, regardless for the reason, I would have friend who would be there for me.


I think that friendship is a two-way street. I have put myself out for others. They have not returned the treatment. There must be a level of trust and respect made before a true friendship can be made, in my opinion. I do believe that AC and Orenthal had known each other for a long time. I don't know if AC covered up for Orenthal. I do not know if AC was jealous of Orenthal. I don't know if their friendship was a true one.

[littlebit]

How anyone could not believe that he was running away frankly baffles me.

I believe that the prosecution did not introduce that into trial based on the fact that public opinion overwhelmingly supported Simpson which means that possibly the members of the jury would also. You see for yourself how the Bronco "chase" with it's purported "suicide attempt" has made many feel sympathetic toward Simpson and perhaps they feared it would have that affect on the jury.

The explanantion that OJ and A.C. gave were confirmed by a few people and debunked by just as many.

Kate

I don't think he was running away. I don't think he would have taken that car to run away in. I do think that Orenthal is the killer. I also think that the explanations go along with being the killer. My take on the explanations is that Orenthal was going to see his mother. Do you believe the explanations?

[socaldiva]

*snip* My take on the explanations is that Orenthal was going to see his mother. Do you believe the explanations?

But Orenthal & AC were traveling south. His Mother would have been north.

[littlebit]

But Orenthal & AC were traveling south. His Mother would have been north.

I guess that would make him the killer, or show that he was attempting to get away. Is there anything showing he had a problem with directions?

[socaldiva]

I guess that would make him the killer, or show that he was attempting to get away. Is there anything showing he had a problem with directions?

He lived in California many years & I'm quite sure he knew that Mom was in Northern California & he was heading south into Orange County. It was said that he was on his way to the cemetary where Nicole is buried, perhaps to kill himself there.

[littlebit]

He lived in California many years & I'm quite sure he knew that Mom was in Northern California & he was heading south into Orange County. It was said that he was on his way to the cemetary where Nicole is buried, perhaps to kill himself there.

He might have been headed to the cemetery. The reason I asked about his sense of direction is because I was reading a post that said he went in the wrong direction after the murders. I think that he did not know where he was going or what he was going to do.

[sassylassy]

Does anyone know who's gun OJS had in the truck with him?:read:

[bobaugust]

Does anyone know who's gun OJS had in the truck with him?:read:

sassylassy, the gun was Simpson's gun. According to Kardashian in the book American Tragedy Simpson was intending to commit suicide when he and Cowlings left Kardashian's house in Cowlings' Bronco. They were going to the Bel Air Church where Simpson was married and once lived across the street from so Simpson could kill himself there.

Sometime after they left Kardashian received a telephone call from Simpson and he told him that he had held the gun to his head and pulled the trigger but the pistol malfunctioned. He told Kardashian that the police were following them and he was going to go over to Nicole's.

bobaugust

[littlebit]

sassylassy, the gun was Simpson's gun. According to Kardashian in the book American Tragedy Simpson was intending to commit suicide when he and Cowlings left Kardashian's house in Cowlings' Bronco. They were going to the Bel Air Church where Simpson was married and once lived across the street from so Simpson could kill himself there.

Sometime after they left Kardashian received a telephone call from Simpson and he told him that he had held the gun to his head and pulled the trigger but the pistol malfunctioned. He told Kardashian that the police were following them and he was going to go over to Nicole's.

bobaugust

The fact that the gun did not fire is a little strange. Could it be because it was not loaded? I know AC must have been afraid.

[sassylassy]

sassylassy, the gun was Simpson's gun. According to Kardashian in the book American Tragedy Simpson was intending to commit suicide when he and Cowlings left Kardashian's house in Cowlings' Bronco. They were going to the Bel Air Church where Simpson was married and once lived across the street from so Simpson could kill himself there.

Sometime after they left Kardashian received a telephone call from Simpson and he told him that he had held the gun to his head and pulled the trigger but the pistol malfunctioned. He told Kardashian that the police were following them and he was going to go over to Nicole's.

bobaugust

Hi Bob

Thxs I wasnt sure who the gun was registered to. :read:

now who did OJS marry @ the Bel Air Church? cuz from what I know Nicole and OJ were married on the Rockingham grounds?:shrug:

I'm curious did the police confirm there was in fact a malfunction with the gun ?

ciao :seeya:

[bobaugust]

Hi Bob

Thxs I wasnt sure who the gun was registered to. :read:

now who did OJS marry @ the Bel Air Church? cuz from what I know Nicole and OJ were married on the Rockingham grounds?:shrug:

I'm curious did the police confirm there was in fact a malfunction with the gun ?

ciao :seeya:

Sassylassy, I assume that was where Simpson married his first wife. I've never read where the police said anything about Simpson's pistol.

bobaugust

[limakey]

Kate,

I remember watching the news conferences, watching Robert Kardashian read the letter and the chase and I felt that he had to be guilty and that he was going to prove it by killing himself. I fully expected the Bronco chase to be entered into evidence as signs of flight. I have no problem with anyone believing that. However, the facts are, the DA's didn't use it and they had to have excellent reasons not to introduce it.

IMO, it is insane to believe that the DA's didn't use the Bronco chase and the police interview because it was sympathic to Simpson. It appears to me that most suspect's attempts at getting sympathy are turned around and used against them.

At one time, Simpson did have public support on his side, until the 911 phone call was released by the police. It was after that phone call is when there was noticeable shift in public opinon.

I don't understand the comments made about those people watching the chase, I'm sure many of those same people came to believe he was guilty. I really would like to believe that there was any one in that crowd or any talking head who was wishing and hoping that OJ Simpson was the killer. Besides, at the time of the Bronco chase, he was still innocent until proven guilty. For the DA's to use these people as an excuse makes no sense---unless their case was not as ironclad as they led the public to believe.

[limakey]

Kate,

I have no problem with you or anyone else believing that everything that comes out of Simpson's mouth is a lie. We know of the 1985 incident, we know of the 1989 incident, we heard tapes of 911 phone calls.

Well, I also heard Fuhrman's voice on tape and either he is telling the truth or he is lying. I have read about his shrink reports, I have read his book and he himself has given examples of total disregard for authority, a black DA and a judge. How much more do I need to believe that anything that comes of his mouth is a lie?

On one of the tapes, he says something like that anything that comes out a black person's mouth is a lie. Well, isn't only fair that a black person (or any other person) can also feel very strongly that everything that comes out his mouth is a lie?

Judge Ito ruled on Vanatter's search warrant and he lied when he said that tests were run on the blood and proved to be human. This test was never run when he wrote that warrant. He lied about Simpson's trip, he lied about knowing where Simpson was and he lied about Simpson not being a suspect.

Lange lied when he said there was no evidence to suggest that another person could have been the killer or that he would have followed a drug trail had there been any evidence of one.

I remember Fuhrman during his book tour saying that he wasn't the only one who committed perjury and that his was rather mild compared to Lange and Vanatter's. How are we suppose to interpet that?

What did Simpson lie about that convinced you that he was the killer?

[bobaugust]

On one of the tapes, he says something like that anything that comes out a black person's mouth is a lie. Well, isn't only fair that a black person (or any other person) can also feel very strongly that everything that comes out his mouth is a lie?

Judge Ito ruled on Vanatter's search warrant and he lied when he said that tests were run on the blood and proved to be human. This test was never run when he wrote that warrant. He lied about Simpson's trip, he lied about knowing where Simpson was and he lied about Simpson not being a suspect.

Lange lied when he said there was no evidence to suggest that another person could have been the killer or that he would have followed a drug trail had there been any evidence of one.

I remember Fuhrman during his book tour saying that he wasn't the only one who committed perjury and that his was rather mild compared to Lange and Vanatter's. How are we suppose to interpet that?




Limakey, you still continue to make false accusations.

Vannatter didn't lie. Not on his search warrant and not about anything else you have invented.

Search Warrant,
"Detectives observed what appeared to be human blood, later confirmed by scientific investigation personnel to be human blood on the door handle of the vehicle."

The mistake Vannatter had made was his premature identification of red spots on the driveway and the red substance on the right-hand glove as blood. Even though Dennis Fung later confirmed this as blood evidence, Vannatter had made these claims in his search warrant without that confirmation, relying instead on his observations from years of experience dealing with blood at crime scenes. Ito commented from the bench, "there was no evidence of malice on Vannatter's part or that he had deliberately lied."

How about posting the page number in Fuhrman's book where he said that Vannatter and Lange committed perjury.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Limakey, you still continue to make false accusations.

<snipped>

How about posting the page number in Fuhrman's book where he said that Vannatter and Lange committed perjury.

bobaugust
Good luck, Bob! I am still waiting for an answer to where she is getting all of her information on the Personal and Confidential "shrink" reports.

JMO and MOO!!

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I have no problem with you or anyone else believing that everything that comes out of Simpson's mouth is a lie. We know of the 1985 incident, we know of the 1989 incident, we heard tapes of 911 phone calls.

Well, I also heard Fuhrman's voice on tape and either he is telling the truth or he is lying. I have read about his shrink reports, I have read his book and he himself has given examples of total disregard for authority, a black DA and a judge. How much more do I need to believe that anything that comes of his mouth is a lie?

On one of the tapes, he says something like that anything that comes out a black person's mouth is a lie. Well, isn't only fair that a black person (or any other person) can also feel very strongly that everything that comes out his mouth is a lie?

Judge Ito ruled on Vanatter's search warrant and he lied when he said that tests were run on the blood and proved to be human. This test was never run when he wrote that warrant. He lied about Simpson's trip, he lied about knowing where Simpson was and he lied about Simpson not being a suspect.

Lange lied when he said there was no evidence to suggest that another person could have been the killer or that he would have followed a drug trail had there been any evidence of one.

I remember Fuhrman during his book tour saying that he wasn't the only one who committed perjury and that his was rather mild compared to Lange and Vanatter's. How are we suppose to interpet that?

What did Simpson lie about that convinced you that he was the killer?


I am in disbelief at how much of this post in itself is a lie.

When you correct this post, and when you are able to say that you feel that Vanatter lied about the things you allege rather than state it as though it's proven we can discuss this further and in greater detail.

Until such time I can say that I am satisfied that you have absolutely nothing to bring to the table regarding Vanatter and Lange.

The Fuhrman point I concede.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

**snipped**

Besides, at the time of the Bronco chase, he was still innocent until proven guilty. For the DA's to use these people as an excuse makes no sense---unless their case was not as ironclad as they led the public to believe.

In a fantasy world and inside a courtroom is the only place you can find "innocent until proven guilty".

As a matter of fact, the courtoom is the only place that matters. In fact, if in reality everyone is innocent until proven guilty then how do you justify the arrest of anyone? When handcuffs are placed on an individual and their rights are read it is obvious that they are presumed guilty.

I believe that it does make sense. Did you not see the mass of individuals cheering him along the freeway with their little signs reading things such as "We love you Juice~even if you did it"?

Kate

[littlebit]

In a fantasy world and inside a courtroom is the only place you can find "innocent until proven guilty".

As a matter of fact, the courtoom is the only place that matters. In fact, if in reality everyone is innocent until proven guilty then how do you justify the arrest of anyone? When handcuffs are placed on an individual and their rights are read it is obvious that they are presumed guilty.

I believe that it does make sense. Did you not see the mass of individuals cheering him along the freeway with their little signs reading things such as "We love you Juice~even if you did it"?

Kate

I agree that people are thought to be guilty at the time they are handcuffed. The police thought Orenthal was guilty when he returned from Chicago.

[sassylassy]

Sassylassy, I assume that was where Simpson married his first wife. I've never read where the police said anything about Simpson's pistol.

bobaugust

I think OJ married Marguerite in Boston or san fran..

anyhow I'm just trying to add up why OJS would go there of all places to kill himself ....

I guess if the police didnt confirm there was a malfunctioned w/ the gun- that could be considered to be just hear-say ...imo only of course

thxs :read:

[limakey]

Kate,

I never said that the police did not have justification to arrest Simpson. However, IMO, our system is one where the powers that be who wrote them, realized it is possible that the police can and do arrest the wrong person.

IMO, had the 911 tapes been released before the Bronco Chase, you might not have seen many of those signs. The fact is, those signs mean nothing. The people who wrote them were not called to testify about why they felt sympathy for Simpson.

I have always believed that where was one statement made by Simpson that really hurt him, yet again, the DA's never used it. I also believe the letter Simpson wrote was very damning evidence---yet that wasn't used either. Some of his statements made to Lange and Vanatter were very damning, yet again this wasn't used.

My point is, that while you and others may feel that Simpson nailed himself with his statements and actions, there had to be very, very powerful reasons on why these events were not introduced into evidence.

Simpson saying that he didn't do it is not a very powerful statement to convince anyone of his innocence. IMO.

[limakey]

Kate,

Lange said that he would have follow any trail that may pointed away from Simpson---he did not do this. IMO, that is a lie.

Vanatter was too experienced of a detective to be cited for "reckless disregard" on any thing. He lied about Simpson not being a suspect and he lied about not knowing where Simpson was. On the issue of Simpson not being a suspect, he was impeached by three witnesses on this. One a fellow LE collegue.

If Simpson was not a suspect, then they would have gone to Rockingham much sooner had the children been their primary concern. Vanatter's "potential suspect" theory proves he is a liar about not knowing where Simpson was. There was only two people who could have told that Nicole and OJ were together that night---so his potential suspect is toast.

I have often read posts where Fuhrman is a great detective and got a bad deal in this trial--so explain how such a great detective did not suspect Simpson right a way? How can 4 experience detectives not suspect Simpson?

[bobaugust]

Kate,

Lange said that he would have follow any trail that may pointed away from Simpson---he did not do this. IMO, that is a lie.

Vanatter was too experienced of a detective to be cited for "reckless disregard" on any thing. He lied about Simpson not being a suspect and he lied about not knowing where Simpson was. On the issue of Simpson not being a suspect, he was impeached by three witnesses on this. One a fellow LE collegue.

If Simpson was not a suspect, then they would have gone to Rockingham much sooner had the children been their primary concern. Vanatter's "potential suspect" theory proves he is a liar about not knowing where Simpson was. There was only two people who could have told that Nicole and OJ were together that night---so his potential suspect is toast.

I have often read posts where Fuhrman is a great detective and got a bad deal in this trial--so explain how such a great detective did not suspect Simpson right a way? How can 4 experience detectives not suspect Simpson?

limakey, I'm sorry but I have to respond to this nonsense. It seems no matter how many times it's explained to you, you just can't seem to grasp it.

When this case was turned over to Robbery Homicide the West LA detectives could not do anything more except wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives to show up. So they waited. For two hours. After the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived they were given a tour of the murder scene and then informed about the order to notify Simpson in person. Neither Vannatter nor anyone else knew that Simpson wasn't home until they got there. Lange asked Phillips and Fuhrman to accompany them to Rockingham so that after Simpson was notified they could stay and help him recover his two children being held at their police station. Lange's plan was approved by his supervisor, Lieutenant Rogers, who took charge of securing the Bundy crime scene until they returned. The detectives expected to be back in twenty minutes or less.

There was nothing at the murder scene that anyone knew pointed to Simpson as the killer to make him a suspect. Was he a possible suspect because he was the ex husband of one of the victims? Of course, but only a possible suspect until the investigation that would be conducted eliminated him. Simpson never became a strong suspect until later that morning after the killer's glove was found behind his guest bungalow and at day break when blood drops were seen on his driveway.

That's the reality of what happened, not the fantasy you want to believe.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

limakey, I'm sorry but I have to respond to this nonsense. It seems no matter how many times it's explained to you, you just can't seem to grasp it.

<snipped>

That's the reality of what happened, not the fantasy you want to believe.

bobaugust

She's not EVER going to grasp it, Bob. When are you going to draw the line and finally give up?

JMO and MOO!!

[littlebit]

limakey, I'm sorry but I have to respond to this nonsense. It seems no matter how many times it's explained to you, you just can't seem to grasp it.

When this case was turned over to Robbery Homicide the West LA detectives could not do anything more except wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives to show up. So they waited. For two hours. After the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived they were given a tour of the murder scene and then informed about the order to notify Simpson in person. Neither Vannatter nor anyone else knew that Simpson wasn't home until they got there. Lange asked Phillips and Fuhrman to accompany them to Rockingham so that after Simpson was notified they could stay and help him recover his two children being held at their police station. Lange's plan was approved by his supervisor, Lieutenant Rogers, who took charge of securing the Bundy crime scene until they returned. The detectives expected to be back in twenty minutes or less.

There was nothing at the murder scene that anyone knew pointed to Simpson as the killer to make him a suspect. Was he a possible suspect because he was the ex husband of one of the victims? Of course, but only a possible suspect until the investigation that would be conducted eliminated him. Simpson never became a strong suspect until later that morning after the killer's glove was found behind his guest bungalow and at day break when blood drops were seen on his driveway.

That's the reality of what happened, not the fantasy you want to believe.

bobaugust

I am confused. Why did they wait? Could the police officers have showed the new detectives the evidence? Could they have told the commander that they had been relieved or did he already know? Were they relieved at the time they were told that the others were taking over or where they relieved only when the others arrived?

[weezer]

I am confused. Why did they wait? Could the police officers have showed the new detectives the evidence? Could they have told the commander that they had been relieved or did he already know? Were they relieved at the time they were told that the others were taking over or where they relieved only when the others arrived?

They did a walk through of the murder site. The commander was the one to relieve the detectives. They had to wait for the detectives who would take over the case. IIRC

[socaldiva]

They did a walk through of the murder site. The commander was the one to relieve the detectives. They had to wait for the detectives who would take over the case. IIRC

That's my recollection as well.....

[littlebit]

They did a walk through of the murder site. The commander was the one to relieve the detectives. They had to wait for the detectives who would take over the case. IIRC

I am really confused now. They were relieved but they were not relieved? What department were Roberts and Fuhrman from? Were they allowed to awaken the neighbors to conduct interviews while they waited? This all seems so strange to me. Could they have transported the children?

[William Anthony]

I am really confused now. They were relieved but they were not relieved? What department were Roberts and Fuhrman from? Were they allowed to awaken the neighbors to conduct interviews while they waited? This all seems so strange to me. Could they have transported the children?

I think they took a coffee break, imho.

[weezer]

I am really confused now. They were relieved but they were not relieved? What department were Roberts and Fuhrman from? Were they allowed to awaken the neighbors to conduct interviews while they waited? This all seems so strange to me. Could they have transported the children?

Hmmm. . . you might really benefit and get a lot of your questions answered by doing some research on this case. There are several excellent links posted on the "Links Only" thread.

[littlebit]

Hmmm. . . you might really benefit and get a lot of your questions answered by doing some research on this case. There are several excellent links posted on the "Links Only" thread.

I have looked at the links. I did not find the answers. I am just asking was there anything they could have done while waiting for the others to come.

[bobaugust]

I have looked at the links. I did not find the answers. I am just asking was there anything they could have done while waiting for the others to come.

littlebit, no there was nothing the West LA detectives could do while waiting for the Robbery Homicide detectives to arrive except secure the murder scene. The case was not their case anymore.

bobaugust

[littlebit]

littlebit, no there was nothing the West LA detectives could do while waiting for the Robbery Homicide detectives to arrive except secure the murder scene. The case was not their case anymore.

bobaugust

Thank you. I think that is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Couldn't the scene have been secured by the patrol officers? Couldn't they have left instead of standing around doing nothing while on the clock? I still think Orenthal is guilty although something does not seem quite right about this.

[bobaugust]

Thank you. I think that is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Couldn't the scene have been secured by the patrol officers? Couldn't they have left instead of standing around doing nothing while on the clock? I still think Orenthal is guilty although something does not seem quite right about this.

littlebit, the West LA detectives stayed to brief the Robbery Homicide detectives about what they had done and to give them a tour of the murder scene. Even though the case wasn't their responsibility it was there responsibility to inform the arriving detectives of all the information that had obtained. The police are always on the clock.

bobaugust

[littlebit]

littlebit, the West LA detectives stayed to brief the Robbery Homicide detectives about what they had done and to give them a tour of the murder scene. Even though the case wasn't their responsibility it was there responsibility to inform the arriving detectives of all the information that had obtained. The police are always on the clock.

bobaugust

I am totally confused. I guess if you are salaried you are not off the clock. I know in my town police receive overtime. I am not sure about detectives. Didn't a patrol office give the first detectives a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't patrol officers have given them a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't they have informed them of the information by notes or cell phones? Why did they take an active role at Orenthal's home if they had been relieved? Did a detective tell detective Furhman to go to look at the Bronco? This still seems strange to me. I remain convinced that Orenthal is guilty. I am having some questions.

[William Anthony]

I am totally confused. I guess if you are salaried you are not off the clock. I know in my town police receive overtime. I am not sure about detectives. Didn't a patrol office give the first detectives a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't patrol officers have given them a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't they have informed them of the information by notes or cell phones? Why did they take an active role at Orenthal's home if they had been relieved? Did a detective tell detective Furhman to go to look at the Bronco? This still seems strange to me. I remain convinced that Orenthal is guilty. I am having some questions.

Those questions you have enumerated in this posts are precursors to further questions of which the answers may supply a reasonable inference that something untoward may have happened, somewhere near the onset of police involvement in this case, imho.

[weezer]

*Snipped*I am totally confused. I am having some questions.

Troll??????

[William Anthony]

I am totally confused. I guess if you are salaried you are not off the clock. I know in my town police receive overtime. I am not sure about detectives. Didn't a patrol office give the first detectives a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't patrol officers have given them a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't they have informed them of the information by notes or cell phones? Why did they take an active role at Orenthal's home if they had been relieved? Did a detective tell detective Furhman to go to look at the Bronco? This still seems strange to me. I remain convinced that Orenthal is guilty. I am having some questions.

Here is another question for your consideration. Why did the MF go behind Kato's quarters without letting the other detectives know, since one of his alleged suspicions was that he may encounter the killer back there?

[2L8 4A D8]

I have looked at the links. I did not find the answers. I am just asking was there anything they could have done while waiting for the others to come.

There's other possibilities besides the "Links!" Have you tried Googling? :read:

I am sure that you will find a lot of information that will be helpful in your obvious quest of "I still think Orenthal is guilty although something does not seem quite right about this."

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

*Snipped*

Troll??????

Hmmmm? The OJ Double-Murder Case 101 is now open for enrollment! ;)

JMO and MOO!!

[bobaugust]

I am totally confused. I guess if you are salaried you are not off the clock. I know in my town police receive overtime. I am not sure about detectives. Didn't a patrol office give the first detectives a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't patrol officers have given them a tour of the crime scene? Couldn't they have informed them of the information by notes or cell phones? Why did they take an active role at Orenthal's home if they had been relieved? Did a detective tell detective Furhman to go to look at the Bronco? This still seems strange to me. I remain convinced that Orenthal is guilty. I am having some questions.

It was the West LA detectives responsibility to inform the Robbery Homicide detectives about what they had done and seen, not patrol officers. The command officers, detectives, and patrol officers all remained at the murder scene to await the arrival of the Robbery Homicide detectives for the transition to another division and by offering their information and help if called upon.

Phillips and Fuhrman were asked by Lange to accompany them to Rockingham after Lange was informed about Commander Bushey's order. Lange's plan was to notify Simpson of his ex wife's death and then he and Vannatter would return to Bundy to handle the bodies and the evidence. Lange wanted Phillips and Fuhrman to remain at Rockingham to help Simpson recover his two small children that had been taken to their police station. The plan was approved by Lieutenant Rogers, Lange and Vannatter's supervisor, who would secure the Bundy murder scene until they returned. They expected to be back in twenty minutes or less.

No one told Fuhrman to look at the Bronco. No one had to. While waiting at Rockingham after not receiving any response from ringing the gate bell Fuhrman did what any good detective would do, he walked down the street to check out the other gate and saw the parked Bronco.

bobaugust

[sassylassy]

Here is another question for your consideration. Why did the MF go behind Kato's quarters without letting the other detectives know, since one of his alleged suspicions was that he may encounter the killer back there?

Hi Doc

thats a good question, I never thought of that before-
why would he walk around the dark grounds alone w/ a killer on the loose? :shrug: dont the police have a buddy system or something? ;)

[bobaugust]

Here is another question for your consideration. Why did the MF go behind Kato's quarters without letting the other detectives know, since one of his alleged suspicions was that he may encounter the killer back there?

After Fuhrman questioned Kaelin he and Kaelin went to Simpson's house through the rear door the other detectives had used. Fuhrman left Kaelin sitting at Simpson's bar and found Vannatter telling him to listen to what Kaelin had just told him

Fuhrman then left the house to check out the noises Kaelin told him he had heard behind his room the previous evening. Fuhrman didn't believe he needed to be told to do this. He was there, he had learned about something strange that Kaelin had been concerned about, he was a detective so he checked it out.

Fuhrman wasn't very concerned about encountering the killer back there, the bodies had been first found about six hours earlier. He testified he was being cautious not knowing what he would find.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Hi Doc

thats a good question, I never thought of that before-
why would he walk around the dark grounds alone w/ a killer on the loose? :shrug: dont the police have a buddy system or something? ;)

Well hello there, Classy Sassy Lassy,

I do believe the MF should have had someone go with him, unless he had a another reason to go solo in making that clandestine and possiblely dangerous journey.

[William Anthony]

After Fuhrman questioned Kaelin he and Kaelin went to Simpson's house through the rear door the other detectives had used. Fuhrman left Kaelin sitting at Simpson's bar and found Vannatter telling him to listen to what Kaelin had just told him

Fuhrman then left the house to check out the noises Kaelin told him he had heard behind his room the previous evening. Fuhrman didn't believe he needed to be told to do this. He was there, he had learned about something strange that Kaelin had been concerned about, he was a detective so he checked it out.

Fuhrman wasn't very concerned about encountering the killer back there, the bodies had been first found about six hours earlier. He testified he was being cautious not knowing what he would find.

bobaugust

I understand. The MF ensured that Vanatter, who was one of the detectives that was now in charge, listening to Kato while the MF, who had been relieved of duty on the case, went behind Katos quarters to allegedly investigate without being instructed or ordered and without informing the detectives, who were now in charge. As I recall, he also testified that he was concerned about finding the killer there. It would seem to me that the experienced MF was insubordinate and less than cautious. I wonder why.

[William Anthony]

Hi Doc

thats a good question, I never thought of that before-
why would he walk around the dark grounds alone w/ a killer on the loose? :shrug: dont the police have a buddy system or something? ;)

Here is another one for you to consider. If the MF waited around to inform robbery homicide of the evidence, why did the MF not show Vanatter the alleged bloody finger print on the gate doorknob?

[bobaugust]

As I recall, he also testified that he was concerned about finding the killer there. It would seem to me that the experienced MF was insubordinate and less than cautious. I wonder why.

Fuhrman didn't say he was concerned about about finding the killer there. He said he was concerned about a possible victim, that from what Kaelin told him it sounded like possibly somebody collapsed against the wall in the rear. That's what he was looking for.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Here is another one for you to consider. If the MF waited around to inform robbery homicide of the evidence, why did the MF not show Vanatter the alleged bloody finger print on the gate doorknob?

You know why. You read Fuhrman's book, right?

Murder in Brentwood, page 80
"When I was turning over the Bundy crime scene to Robbery Homicide, it never occurred to me to lead two veteran homicide detectives by the hand and show them the bloody fingerprint. It would have been an insult for me to to emphasize a single piece of evidence to senior detectives. The fingerprint was clearly described right there in my notes and I had no reason to think they wouldn't read my notes before walking through the scene, since doing so is standard procedure. The importance of the fingerprint was obvious. Brad and I agreed completely that whoever walked down that path left blood shoeprints, blood drops to the left side of his body, and a bloody fingerprint on the gate. The suspect just about signed his name in blood before he escaped.

Whose blood was it? At least some of it belonged to the suspect, because there was enough blood to suggest that the suspect was bleeding. A blood smudge beneath the fingerprint indicated that the suspect transferred blood, most probably from his hand or finger, onto the gate. And as he swung his hand to open the gate, he cast droplets of blood there as well. But if we were lucky, the blood stain would include blood from the victims. By linking the victim's blood to the suspect's blood and identifying the suspect, the fingerprint could have closed he case."

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Fuhrman didn't say he was concerned about about finding the killer there. He said he was concerned about a possible victim, that from what Kaelin told him it sounded like possibly somebody collapsed against the wall in the rear. That's what he was looking for.

bobaugust

As I recall the MF's testimony, he was unsure what he would find back there. He mentioned, if memory serves me correctly, finding the killer. Why would he not be concerned about finding the killer there. Was not that one of the reasons they gave for entering the property?

[bobaugust]

As I recall the MF's testimony, he was unsure what he would find back there. He mentioned, if memory serves me correctly, finding the killer. Why would he not be concerned about finding the killer there. Was not that one of the reasons they gave for entering the property?

No finding the killer was not one of the reasons that the detectives said why they entered the property.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

You know why. You read Fuhrman's book, right?

Murder in Brentwood, page 80
"When I was turning over the Bundy crime scene to Robbery Homicide, it never occurred to me to lead two veteran homicide detectives by the hand and show them the bloody fingerprint. It would have been an insult for me to to emphasize a single piece of evidence to senior detectives. The fingerprint was clearly described right there in my notes and I had no reason to think they wouldn't read my notes before walking through the scene, since doing so is standard procedure. The importance of the fingerprint was obvious. Brad and I agreed completely that whoever walked down that path left blood shoeprints, blood drops to the left side of his body, and a bloody fingerprint on the gate. The suspect just about signed his name in blood before he escaped.

Whose blood was it? At least some of it belonged to the suspect, because there was enough blood to suggest that the suspect was bleeding. A blood smudge beneath the fingerprint indicated that the suspect transferred blood, most probably from his hand or finger, onto the gate. And as he swung his hand to open the gate, he cast droplets of blood there as well. But if we were lucky, the blood stain would include blood from the victims. By linking the victim's blood to the suspect's blood and identifying the suspect, the fingerprint could have closed he case."

bobaugust

As I have said and you agreed the MF lied. I would think it would be a dereliction of his duty not to have shown the detectives such an important piece of evidence. As the Lovely Limakey has stated the MF blames everyone but himself. Did you say that they stayed around to infrom the arriving detectives? If the MF was going to inform them by notes, he could have left them with a patrol officer and made sure he got his originals back. Do you see anything strange in this?

[bobaugust]

As I have said and you agreed the MF lied. I would think it would be a dereliction of his duty not to have shown the detectives such an important piece of evidence. As the Lovely Limakey has stated the MF blames everyone but himself. Did you say that they stayed around to infrom the arriving detectives? If the MF was going to inform them by notes, he could have left them with a patrol officer and made sure he got his originals back. Do you see anything strange in this?

No I don't see anything strange in Fuhrman waiting for the Robbery Homicide detectives to arrive. Fuhrman and Phillips were the lead detectives until their case was turned over to Robbery Homicide. They rode there together and they and the rest of the West LA command and patrol officers all stayed to wait.

Fuhrman remained so that the transition could be made smoothly, making himself available if the Robbery Homicide detectives wanted to ask him any questions or wanted to solicited his help. The West LA division was cooperating with Robbery Homicide from patrol officers who were securing the murder scene to the detectives who had been responsible for the murder scene, to the command officers who were responsible for all the West LA police officers.

If Fuhrman and Phillips had left before the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived, that would be strange.

bobaugust

[sassylassy]

Nets hot for interview with O.J.


Once again, O.J. Simpson is a wanted man: Every major network is trying to nab him for an interview.

Never mind that a public outcry forced News Corp. chief Rupert Murdoch to scrap Judith Regan's two-part Fox sit-down — designed to hype the now-canceled book by the disgraced gridiron star.

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, tells us news execs are begging to talk with the man some of them denounced last week. "The idea that these networks don't want to interview him is ludicrous," says Galanter

c link 4 more::read:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/475255p-399767c.html

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, tells us news execs are begging to talk with the man some of them denounced last week. "The idea that these networks don't want to interview him is ludicrous," says Galanter


I don't find Galanter credible. Since when does Simpson ever pass up an opportunity to be in the spotlight? :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Fuhrman remained so that the transition could be made smoothly, making himself available if the Robbery Homicide detectives wanted to ask him any questions or wanted to solicited his help.
bobaugust

I fail to see how the transition could have been done smoothly, since the bloody finger print was not shown to Vanatter. What is even more eerie, imho, is that neither of the criminalist collected or tested what the MF and Roberts allegedly saw on the gate doorknob. Do you see it as strange that the MF did not show it to Vanatter and Vanatter did not show it to the criminalists? Could it be they failed to collect it because it was not there? Could it be that it was collected, but it was not Simpson's?

[martin II]

Nets hot for interview with O.J.


Once again, O.J. Simpson is a wanted man: Every major network is trying to nab him for an interview.

Never mind that a public outcry forced News Corp. chief Rupert Murdoch to scrap Judith Regan's two-part Fox sit-down — designed to hype the now-canceled book by the disgraced gridiron star.

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, tells us news execs are begging to talk with the man some of them denounced last week. "The idea that these networks don't want to interview him is ludicrous," says Galanter

c link 4 more::read:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/475255p-399767c.html


sassy
i believe Yale

the media could care less. They know if they toss out a oj headline, people will tune in, buy the paper or turn to their favorite station to listen for the details.

It is about listeners , money and ratings. only.
LKL knows this and this is why fred is called in every 2-3 months to rant.

I just wonder what toll this is having on fred mentally. I think mental health experts would advise fred to find a way to move on with other parts of his life.

[weezer]

I don't find Galanter credible. Since when does Simpson ever pass up an opportunity to be in the spotlight? :tongue:

is this the same galanter who assured everyone that there was no book? the same galanter who was going to go to every media outlet and denounce the book as a fake?

[weezer]

sassy
i believe Yale

the media could care less. They know if they toss out a oj headline, people will tune in, buy the paper or turn to their favorite station to listen for the details.

It is about listeners , money and ratings. only.
LKL knows this and this is why fred is called in every 2-3 months to rant.

I just wonder what toll this is having on fred mentally. I think mental health experts would advise fred to find a way to move on with other parts of his life.

looks to me like Fred is doing well. Not so for orenthal -- lying, stealing, cheating, abusing............hmmmm............guess somethings never change.

[martin II]

looks to me like Fred is doing well. Not so for orenthal -- lying, stealing, cheating, abusing............hmmmm............guess somethings never change.

weezer
i am not so sure tin cup is doing that well. 12 years and no results. only using others money to carry on his get oj industry.
Actually he did not look that well to me the last time he was on LKL a few weeks ago ranting out those well rehearsed sound bites. hahaha.

Actually what does fred do for work activity? i know some time ago he had some kind of radio talk show. What is he doing now?

martin II

[bobaugust]

I fail to see how the transition could have been done smoothly, since the bloody finger print was not shown to Vanatter. What is even more eerie, imho, is that neither of the criminalist collected or tested what the MF and Roberts allegedly saw on the gate doorknob. Do you see it as strange that the MF did not show it to Vanatter and Vanatter did not show it to the criminalists? Could it be they failed to collect it because it was not there? Could it be that it was collected, but it was not Simpson's?

The transition from the West LA division to Robbery Homicide did not center around the possible finger print. Phillips gave Fuhrman's notes to Vannatter.

If Fung had collected all the other blood drops on the rear gate except for the blood on the brass deadbolt your questions might be legitimate, but that's not what happened. The fact is that Fung didn't collect any blood from the rear gate that morning.

bobaugust

[socaldiva]

is this the same galanter who assured everyone that there was no book? the same galanter who was going to go to every media outlet and denounce the book as a fake?

Yeah, that's the one :tongue:

[William Anthony]

The transition from the West LA division to Robbery Homicide did not center around the possible finger print. Phillips gave Fuhrman's notes to Vannatter.

If Fung had collected all the other blood drops on the rear gate except for the blood on the brass deadbolt your questions might be legitimate, but that's not what happened. The fact is that Fung didn't collect any blood from the rear gate that morning.

bobaugust

On the question of legitimacy, Why did neither of the criminalist collect the blood on the gate? Why did the have to come back at at time after Simpson's blood was taken? On the issue of the transition, as I have already stated, if the MF was informing robbery homicide by notes, why wait around? The notes should have already been made, correct? Do you still not see something eerie in these events?

[littlebit]

On the question of legitimacy, Why did neither of the criminalist collect the blood on the gate? Why did the have to come back at at time after Simpson's blood was taken? On the issue of the transition, as I have already stated, if the MF was informing robbery homicide by notes, why wait around? The notes should have already been made, correct? Do you still not see something eerie in these events?


I had to take a look at the boards on my break. The questions are good ones. I still think Orenthal is guilty.

[bobaugust]

On the question of legitimacy, Why did neither of the criminalist collect the blood on the gate? Why did the have to come back at at time after Simpson's blood was taken? On the issue of the transition, as I have already stated, if the MF was informing robbery homicide by notes, why wait around? The notes should have already been made, correct? Do you still not see something eerie in these events?

Fung and Mazzola said they never remembered seeing any blood on the rear gate. When they were collecting the blood trail they may have never even looked at the gate. Three weeks later the prosecutors and detectives were revisiting the crime scene and Lange noticed the blood was still there. Fung and a photographer were called and the blood was collected.

This has nothing to do with Simpson's blood sample. Not only was a blood drop from the rear gate tested and no EDTA preserved blood was found in it, seven police officers testify to seeing the blood on the rear gate that morning, and a crime scene photograph taken that morning clearly showed one of blood drops on the rear gate.

Like I said all of the West LA police officers remained until the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived to help with the transition by answering questions and making themselves available if asked to help. The only thing I see eerie is your inability to understand this.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Fung and Mazzola said they never remembered seeing any blood on the rear gate. When they were collecting the blood trail they may have never even looked at the gate. Three weeks later the prosecutors and detectives were revisiting the crime scene and Lange noticed the blood was still there. Fung and a photographer were called and the blood was collected.

This has nothing to do with Simpson's blood sample. Not only was a blood drop from the rear gate tested and no EDTA preserved blood was found in it, seven police officers testify to seeing the blood on the rear gate that morning, and a crime scene photograph taken that morning clearly showed one of blood drops on the rear gate.

Like I said all of the West LA police officers remained until the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived to help with the transition by answering questions and making themselves available if asked to help. The only thing I see eerie is your inability to understand this.

bobaugust

Please, let's not rehash Martz's miraculously maligned extraordinary experimentation and testimony. The fact is that you posted the MF was there to make certain the transition went smoothly, which I questioned. Given the facts now shown, what is your definition of smoothly? Does it include efficiently and productively?

[weezer]

weezer
i am not so sure tin cup is doing that well. 12 years and no results. only using others money to carry on his get oj industry.
Actually he did not look that well to me the last time he was on LKL a few weeks ago ranting out those well rehearsed sound bites. hahaha.

Actually what does fred do for work activity? i know some time ago he had some kind of radio talk show. What is he doing now?

martin II

always first in line to bash the victims and/or families -- that's our little martin

[socaldiva]

always first in line to bash the victims and/or families -- that's our little martin

Yep & he never seems to have a problem with OJ's employment status.....

[bobaugust]

Please, let's not rehash Martz's miraculously maligned extraordinary experimentation and testimony. The fact is that you posted the MF was there to make certain the transition went smoothly, which I questioned. Given the facts now shown, what is your definition of smoothly? Does it include efficiently and productively?

You're the one who brought up Simpson's blood sample in the discussion of the rear gate blood implying that there was some kind of connection between that blood and the blood on the rear gate that wasn't collected until three weeks later. I simply reminded you of the evidence that proved that there was no connection.

The fact is that Fuhrman was one of the lead detectives on this case before it was turned over to Robbery Homicide. It was his responsibility as well as professional courtesy to help with the transition. Besides the fact that he was riding with Phillips who was his boss and also remained at Bundy to wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives.

bobaugust

[martin II]

always first in line to bash the victims and/or families -- that's our little martin

weezer

LEAVE OUT THE ADJECTIVES WHEN POSTING TO OR ABOUT ME.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer

oj is a retired NFL footbal player. He draws a $300,000 or more pension. He makes lots of additional money in his businesses. Like signing his name to a contract and receiving about $1,000,000.00

Since you claim to know so much about fred. What does he do for a living.
martin II

[William Anthony]

You're the one who brought up Simpson's blood sample in the discussion of the rear gate blood implying that there was some kind of connection between that blood and the blood on the rear gate that wasn't collected until three weeks later. I simply reminded you of the evidence that proved that there was no connection.

The fact is that Fuhrman was one of the lead detectives on this case before it was turned over to Robbery Homicide. It was his responsibility as well as professional courtesy to help with the transition. Besides the fact that he was riding with Phillips who was his boss and also remained at Bundy to wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives.

bobaugust

You mean the testimony from a person, who destroyed his data, before giving testimony that would have proved him dead. So, why not make sure to point out a bloody finger print? Did the MF leave Rockingham with Phillips?

[weezer]

weezer

oj is a retired NFL footbal player. He draws a $300,000 or more pension. He makes lots of additional money in his businesses. Like signing his name to a contract and receiving about $1,000,000.00

Since you claim to know so much about fred. What does he do for a living.
martin II

then why isn't he paying his cable and American Express bills? I've never claimed to know about Fred Goldman.

[martin II]

then why isn't he paying his cable and American Express bills? I've never claimed to know about Fred Goldman.

weezer
can you give me proof that oj does not pay his cable and american express bills? you seem to have the skinny on this issue.imo

MARTIN ii

[weezer]

weezer
can you give me proof that oj does not pay his cable and american express bills? you seem to have the skinny on this issue.imo

MARTIN ii

page 6 of Goldman's suit against orenthal. Can you say "DEADBEAT"?

[martin II]

page 6 of Goldman's suit against orenthal. Can you say "DEADBEAT"?

do you have the suit?
martin II

[weezer]

do you have the suit?
martin II

look in the "Links Only" thread

[martin II]

wezer
i don't know what bills oj pays and do not pay but with the new infusion of the $1,000,000 he got from signing his name i assume he can pay the bills he wants to pay. I thought he did say he paid his taxes and bills with some of the money.imo
martin II

[weezer]

wezer
i don't know what bills oj pays and do not pay but with the new infusion of the $1,000,000 he got from signing his name i assume he can pay the bills he wants to pay. I thought he did say he paid his taxes and bills with some of the money.imo
martin II

he also said he wanted to insure his children's legacy -- riiiight! Can you say has-been, double-murderer, deadbeat?

[martin II]

he also said he wanted to insure his children's legacy -- riiiight! Can you say has-been, double-murderer, deadbeat?

weezer

i do not know what oj did with the money. maby you can give me a accounting. imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

weezer

oj is a retired NFL footbal player. He draws a $300,000 or more pension. He makes lots of additional money in his businesses. Like signing his name to a contract and receiving about $1,000,000.00

Since you claim to know so much about fred. What does he do for a living.
martin II

Better double check with Orenthal. Last I heard him babbling, he claimed that he only gets something like $1700.00 per month from that pension because he borrowed against the principle & he did NOT get $1,000,000.00 on the book deal.

[weezer]

weezer

i do not know what oj did with the money. maby you can give me a accounting. imo
martin II

well, we know he doesn't pay his bills. But I guess looking for the 'real' killer of Nicole and Ron out on golf courses and at bars is probably pretty expensive.

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

LEAVE OUT THE ADJECTIVES WHEN POSTING TO OR ABOUT ME.

martin II

Why? Does the truth hurt? Apparently so! All IMO!

[bobaugust]

You mean the testimony from a person, who destroyed his data, before giving testimony that would have proved him dead. So, why not make sure to point out a bloody finger print? Did the MF leave Rockingham with Phillips?

No, I mean the testimony by Martz about the tests he performed that proved there was no EDTA preserved blood in the gate or sock blood.

Why do you keep asking the same question why Fuhrman didn't point out the fingerprint when you supposedly read the answer in Fuhrman's book and I even posted it for you? Let it go William.

You ask how did Fuhrman leave Rockingham?

After Phillips learned of the murders he called Fuhrman and they met at their police station and got a car that Phillips used to drive them to Bundy. Later that morning when Lange asked Phillips and Fuhrman to come with them to notify Simpson, they again rode together to Rockingham. After the glove was found, Vannatter asked Phillips and Fuhrman to go back to Bundy and make sure it matched the glove there. They again rode together back to Bundy. That's when Fuhrman was photographed pointing at the glove.

Fuhrman then returned to Rockingham and Phillips stayed at Bundy. In his book Fuhrman wrote "Upon my return to the estate, I parked just south of the Rockingham gate and was joined by my partner Brad (Roberts)" I couldn't find where anyone asked or it was written about what car Fuhrman drove but he probably took the same car he and Phillips had been using and brought the photographer Rokahr back to Rockingham with him.

Fuhrman testified that he remained at Rockingham until well past 6:00 in the evening. I couldn't find anything about how he got back home but he may have again used that same car to drive back to the station where he had left his own car earlier that morning.

bobaugust

[martin II]

well, we know he doesn't pay his bills. But I guess looking for the 'real' killer of Nicole and Ron out on golf courses and at bars is probably pretty expensive.

weezer

you continue to say oj does not pay his bills without any proof so i have to assume this is your opinion.

I think oj did want to look for information about who killed Nicole and Ron after the trial but realized that he could not afford a full scale investigation into this matter and he did not see any help comming his way. The DA was not open to any new information implicating anyone else especially since oj's defense had just eaten their lunch. So i can understand why he gave up on this issue. Oj has spoken out on this issue so you can research his comments
if you like. I have never read where he said he was looking for anything on a golf course other then his golf ball. That comment is just a sound bite often
used by people that were dissapointed that their idea of guilt was not supported by the facts of the case and the jury's deliberations results. imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer

you continue to say oj does not pay his bills without any proof so i have to assume this is your opinion.

I think oj did want to look for information about who killed Nicole and Ron after the trial but realized that he could not afford a full scale investigation into this matter and he did not see any help comming his way. The DA was not open to any new information implicating anyone else especially since oj's defense had just eaten their lunch. So i can understand why he gave up on this issue. Oj has spoken out on this issue so you can research his comments
if you like. I have never read where he said he was looking for anything on a golf course other then his golf ball. That comment is just a sound bite often
used by people that were dissapointed that their idea of guilt was not supported by the facts of the case and the jury's deliberations results. imo
martin II

my reasoning is if orenthal paid his bills, then the companies/people he owes money to would not have to sue him for payment -- ergo, the lawsuit naming specifics. Not my opinion -- fact.

orenthal said he would spend the rest of his life looking for the murderer(s) of Nicole. He lied. Again. Not a sound bite -- fact. I assume since he said he was going to be looking for the murderer(s) and since he seems to spend most of his time on the golf course or in bars, he must think the killer(s) will show up in those places. IMO

[martin II]

my reasoning is if orenthal paid his bills, then the companies/people he owes money to would not have to sue him for payment -- ergo, the lawsuit naming specifics. Not my opinion -- fact.

orenthal said he would spend the rest of his life looking for the murderer(s) of Nicole. He lied. Again. Not a sound bite -- fact. I assume since he said he was going to be looking for the murderer(s) and since he seems to spend most of his time on the golf course or in bars, he must think the killer(s) will show up in those places. IMO

weezer
i don't think most people would spend the rest of their life, after being found not guilty of murder, looking for the killers. I say this because i believe there are many family members that have lost love ones and never were able to solve the case.

Regardless of what oj said after the trial, i think reality set in and he gave up this hunt.Now if you want to claim he lied i guess he has no problem with what you think. I know i don't.

Some times people have to move on with what is left of their lives.

PS: In reality, i have no interest in whether oj pays his bills or not as i consider it none of my business.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
i don't think most people would spend the rest of their life, after being found not guilty of murder, looking for the killers. I say this because i believe there are many family members that have lost love ones and never were able to solve the case.

Regardless of what oj said after the trial, i think reality set in and he gave up this hunt.Now if you want to claim he lied i guess he has no problem with what you think. I know i don't.

Some times people have to move on with what is left of their lives.

PS: In reality, i have no interest in whether oj pays his bills or not as i consider it none of my business.

martin II

LOL --- figures.

[William Anthony]

No, I mean the testimony by Martz about the tests he performed that proved there was no EDTA preserved blood in the gate or sock blood.

Why do you keep asking the same question why Fuhrman didn't point out the fingerprint when you supposedly read the answer in Fuhrman's book and I even posted it for you? Let it go William.

You ask how did Fuhrman leave Rockingham?

After Phillips learned of the murders he called Fuhrman and they met at their police station and got a car that Phillips used to drive them to Bundy. Later that morning when Lange asked Phillips and Fuhrman to come with them to notify Simpson, they again rode together to Rockingham. After the glove was found, Vannatter asked Phillips and Fuhrman to go back to Bundy and make sure it matched the glove there. They again rode together back to Bundy. That's when Fuhrman was photographed pointing at the glove.

Fuhrman then returned to Rockingham and Phillips stayed at Bundy. In his book Fuhrman wrote "Upon my return to the estate, I parked just south of the Rockingham gate and was joined by my partner Brad (Roberts)" I couldn't find where anyone asked or it was written about what car Fuhrman drove but he probably took the same car he and Phillips had been using and brought the photographer Rokahr back to Rockingham with him.

Fuhrman testified that he remained at Rockingham until well past 6:00 in the evening. I couldn't find anything about how he got back home but he may have again used that same car to drive back to the station where he had left his own car earlier that morning.

bobaugust

That testimony of Martz was impeached, which is why he conducted the test of his own blood. He then tied to say there was EDTA in human blood by his alleged test conducted by the drawing of his own blood, and the results were unsupported because he destroyed the data. If there was no EDTA in the blood on the socks and the RM found EDTA in his own blood, then Simpson could not have bleed on the socks. Did you consider this? Why would he remain so long after being relieved? With the availability of cars to leave, why did the MF stay and inject himself into the case, after being relieved? The statements in the MF's book are less credible, than his denial of the use of the N word and the infamous denial, "I did not have sex with that woman".

[littlebit]

No, I mean the testimony by Martz about the tests he performed that proved there was no EDTA preserved blood in the gate or sock blood.

Why do you keep asking the same question why Fuhrman didn't point out the fingerprint when you supposedly read the answer in Fuhrman's book and I even posted it for you? Let it go William.

You ask how did Fuhrman leave Rockingham?

After Phillips learned of the murders he called Fuhrman and they met at their police station and got a car that Phillips used to drive them to Bundy. Later that morning when Lange asked Phillips and Fuhrman to come with them to notify Simpson, they again rode together to Rockingham. After the glove was found, Vannatter asked Phillips and Fuhrman to go back to Bundy and make sure it matched the glove there. They again rode together back to Bundy. That's when Fuhrman was photographed pointing at the glove.

Fuhrman then returned to Rockingham and Phillips stayed at Bundy. In his book Fuhrman wrote "Upon my return to the estate, I parked just south of the Rockingham gate and was joined by my partner Brad (Roberts)" I couldn't find where anyone asked or it was written about what car Fuhrman drove but he probably took the same car he and Phillips had been using and brought the photographer Rokahr back to Rockingham with him.

Fuhrman testified that he remained at Rockingham until well past 6:00 in the evening. I couldn't find anything about how he got back home but he may have again used that same car to drive back to the station where he had left his own car earlier that morning.

bobaugust

I am having questions about why he stayed. Couldn't some of the duties he performed have been delegated to a patrol officer or another detective from robbery homicide? I know that these questions seem irrelevant. The poblem I am having is that Mark Fuhrman has some role in the key evidence that was collected and the evidence that was not. Going back to work, will return when I get a chance.

[William Anthony]

I am having questions about why he stayed. Couldn't some of the duties he performed have been delegated to a patrol officer or another detective from robbery homicide? I know that these questions seem irrelevant. The poblem I am having is that Mark Fuhrman has some role in the key evidence that was collected and the evidence that was not. Going back to work, will return when I get a chance.

Luxurious Littlebit,

I hope that you will not be unreceptive to my term of endearment for you. You are questioning, which shows me that you have an open mind. It would appear that the MF went out of his way to involve himself in this case. There may be many reasons why, if he did. Albeit, there is one glaring motive that comes to mind and that cannot be summarily dismissed.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I am having questions about why he stayed. Couldn't some of the duties he performed have been delegated to a patrol officer or another detective from robbery homicide?

Stayed where? At Bundy or Rockingham?

[weezer]

I am having questions about why he stayed. Couldn't some of the duties he performed have been delegated to a patrol officer or another detective from robbery homicide? I know that these questions seem irrelevant. The poblem I am having is that Mark Fuhrman has some role in the key evidence that was collected and the evidence that was not. Going back to work, will return when I get a chance.

you are smart to have questions. I believe at the time (and may still be), it was protocol for the officer(s) to stay and turn over the crime scene to the detectives taking charge.

If you have problems with the glove found at Rockingham, then dismiss it. Take all of the other evidence: orenthal's hair, glove, hat, fiber and size 12 pigeon-toed BM footprints, Nicole's and Ron's blood found in the Bronco, Nicole's blood found in the partial footprint on the carpet inside the Bronco, the limo driver, orenthal's blood dripped up his driveway and in his foyer, Kato hearing the thud against his bedroom wall, the sweat suit in the washing machine -- take all of that and tell me how important you think the one lone glove found at Rockingham was to this case.

[martin II]

you are smart to have questions. I believe at the time (and may still be), it was protocol for the officer(s) to stay and turn over the crime scene to the detectives taking charge.

If you have problems with the glove found at Rockingham, then dismiss it. Take all of the other evidence: orenthal's hair, glove, hat, fiber and size 12 pigeon-toed BM footprints, Nicole's and Ron's blood found in the Bronco, Nicole's blood found in the partial footprint on the carpet inside the Bronco, the limo driver, orenthal's blood dripped up his driveway and in his foyer, Kato hearing the thud against his bedroom wall, the sweat suit in the washing machine -- take all of that and tell me how important you think the one lone glove found at Rockingham was to this case.

Littlebit

To accept all of the above would require one to ignore all of the prosecutions witnesses that were impeached, lied, made all kinds of mistakes in collecting 'EVIDENCE' then believe d fung. Mazzalo, Martz and Bodiaz and split tounge furhman. Quite a tall order as far as i am concerned. or impossible. imo jmo
martin II

[weezer]

Littlebit

To accept all of the above would require one to ignore all of the prosecutions witnesses that were impeached, lied, made all kinds of mistakes in collecting 'EVIDENCE' then believe d fung. Mazzalo, Martz and Bodiaz and split tounge furhman. Quite a tall order as far as i am concerned. or impossible. imo jmo
martin II

yah -- all of those people (and many more according to the NG's) conspired to frame poor ole abuser orenthal. Ain't that the worst luck any abuser could have? A wife who you've beat on and abused for 17 years turns up dead. Go figure.

[littlebit]

Littlebit

To accept all of the above would require one to ignore all of the prosecutions witnesses that were impeached, lied, made all kinds of mistakes in collecting 'EVIDENCE' then believe d fung. Mazzalo, Martz and Bodiaz and split tounge furhman. Quite a tall order as far as i am concerned. or impossible. imo jmo
martin II

I was too young at the time of the trial. I have heard my mother and father argue about those things. I am going to see if I can get the transcripts. I am going back to work. I hope I do not have to work over. This is getting interesting.

[martin II]

yah -- all of those people (and many more according to the NG's) conspired to frame poor ole abuser orenthal. Ain't that the worst luck any abuser could have? A wife who you've beat on and abused for 17 years turns up dead. Go figure.

weezer

see drug distributors and dealers.
martinII

[weezer]

weezer

see drug distributors and dealers.
martinII

why? did they post a pic of their client orenthal?

[Kate Sachel]

I would like someone to, once and for all, provide real evidence that shows that these murders involved drug dealers.

Because Mezzaluna was supposedly known for its drug dealings? Is there some type of police or FBI report that exposes such? And if so, does that automatically equate into Ron being a part of any drug ring simply because her worked there? I have many friends that participate in cocaine use, and my place of employment is abundant with recreational users. But guess what? I don't use. I just work there.

Because Nicole was friends with Fae Resnick and Faye had a drug addiction? Where does the evidence show that she owed a drug debt?

If someone can provide me something with enough merit to give the thought a closer look then I will dive right in. But, based on what has been offered thus far (floating speculation with no evidenciary support) it's nothing but rubbish.

Kate

[bobaugust]

That testimony of Martz was impeached, which is why he conducted the test of his own blood. He then tied to say there was EDTA in human blood by his alleged test conducted by the drawing of his own blood, and the results were unsupported because he destroyed the data. If there was no EDTA in the blood on the socks and the RM found EDTA in his own blood, then Simpson could not have bleed on the socks. Did you consider this? Why would he remain so long after being relieved? With the availability of cars to leave, why did the MF stay and inject himself into the case, after being relieved? The statements in the MF's book are less credible, than his denial of the use of the N word and the infamous denial, "I did not have sex with that woman".

I'm sorry but the only thing your comments show is that you have no idea what Martz testified to.

Martz testified that on the first day of testing he was able to determine that EDTA was not present in either the gate or the sock blood. On another day Martz did additional testing to distinguish between blood and preserved blood that had aged for several months. That's when he tested his own blood along with the gate and sock blood and found low levels of an ion in all of that blood that might be EDTA. Martz explained that could have been from other chemicals, or could be EDTA, or it could be some artifact in the instrument due to some type of matrix effect with the blood. Those results did not change the fact that Martz found that the two bloodstains in question did not come from purple topped test tubes or test tubes that were preserved with EDTA.

July 25, 1995
MS. CLARK: Good afternoon. Agent Martz, first of all, based on all of the testing that you conducted in this case, did you come to a conclusion as to whether or not the evidence bloodstains taken from the rear gate and taken from the socks found in the Defendant's bedroom had blood that came from the tube with the preservative known as EDTA?
MR. MARTZ: Yes, I did.
MS. CLARK: And what conclusion was that?
MR. MARTZ: I concluded based on the work that I'd done on the 19th, the 22nd and the 28th that the bloodstains in question did not come from preserved blood, they did not come from blood that was preserved with EDTA.

Your example and question that you asked me to consider doesn't make any sense.

All of the police personnel remained at Bundy to wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives to arrive. The fact that Phillips and Fuhrman were the West LA lead detectives on this case before it was turned over made it more important for them to remain than any other officer to be available to help the Robbery Homicide lead detectives.

Your general comment about Fuhrman's credibility in regards to what he wrote in his book is only your opinion not mine. We all know why you believe anything Fuhrman says has no credibility to you.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

I am having questions about why he stayed. Couldn't some of the duties he performed have been delegated to a patrol officer or another detective from robbery homicide? I know that these questions seem irrelevant. The poblem I am having is that Mark Fuhrman has some role in the key evidence that was collected and the evidence that was not. Going back to work, will return when I get a chance.

littlebit, Phillips and Fuhrman were the lead detectives in this case before it was turned over to Robbery Homicide. If anyone should have stayed at Bundy to wait for the lead detectives from Robbery Homicide to arrive it would be these two detectives.

Patrol officers are not detectives and did have the responsibility for this investigation. It was not only out of professional courtesy but a responsibility to the transition that the original lead detectives make themselves available to the new lead detectives.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

I'm sorry but the only thing your comments show is that you have no idea what Martz testified to.

Martz testified that on the first day of testing he was able to determine that EDTA was not present in either the gate or the sock blood. On another day Martz did additional testing to distinguish between blood and preserved blood that had aged for several months. That's when he tested his own blood along with the gate and sock blood and found low levels of an ion in all of that blood that might be EDTA. Martz explained that could have been from other chemicals, or could be EDTA, or it could be some artifact in the instrument due to some type of matrix effect with the blood. Those results did not change the fact that Martz found that the two bloodstains in question did not come from purple topped test tubes or test tubes that were preserved with EDTA.

July 25, 1995
MS. CLARK: Good afternoon. Agent Martz, first of all, based on all of the testing that you conducted in this case, did you come to a conclusion as to whether or not the evidence bloodstains taken from the rear gate and taken from the socks found in the Defendant's bedroom had blood that came from the tube with the preservative known as EDTA?
MR. MARTZ: Yes, I did.
MS. CLARK: And what conclusion was that?
MR. MARTZ: I concluded based on the work that I'd done on the 19th, the 22nd and the 28th that the bloodstains in question did not come from preserved blood, they did not come from blood that was preserved with EDTA.

Your example and question that you asked me to consider doesn't make any sense.

All of the police personnel remained at Bundy to wait for the Robbery Homicide detectives to arrive. The fact that Phillips and Fuhrman were the West LA lead detectives on this case before it was turned over made it more important for them to remain than any other officer to be available to help the Robbery Homicide lead detectives.

Your general comment about Fuhrman's credibility in regards to what he wrote in his book is only your opinion not mine. We all know why you believe anything Fuhrman says has no credibility to you.

bobaugust

Sorry, but I distinctly remember him testifying that low levels of EDTA were present in human blood. He gave results that the level of EDTA was either in the parts per million or parts per billion (I cannot remember which). Whatever it was the defense countered with scientific journals, showing that, if his results were true, he would be dead. Additionally, he destroyed his data so that the defense could not examine it. He conducted the test on his own blood, because he had testified that, either there was no EDTA in human blood or there was very little. I think he said none. He was impeached on this testimony. Hence, he presented his aforementioned maligned testimony.
Based on the evidence that he would have been dead and the fact that he destroyed his data, which controverts all established scientific protocols, I found his testimony to be disingenuous.

My comment about the MF remaining was in regard to you claim that he stayed to make sure the transition was made smoothly, Given that he did not show Vanatter the alleged bloody finger print and Vanatter allegedly did not review the MF's notes, the transition was neither smooth, efficient, nor productive. Given that the MF allegedly wanted Vanatter to rely on his notes instead of pointing out all the evidence, there was no reason for him to have stayed. Did you consider there was never a bloody finger print? Did you consider that Vanatter did not believe the MF? Did you consider that the DF could not collect what was not there?

There are many of us, who know what your opinion of the MF is. I do not understand your willingness to accept the word of someone proven to be a liar.

[bobaugust]

Sorry, but I distinctly remember him testifying that low levels of EDTA were present in human blood. He gave results that the level of EDTA was either in the parts per million or parts per billion (I cannot remember which). Whatever it was the defense countered with scientific journals, showing that, if his results were true, he would be dead. Additionally, he destroyed his data so that the defense could not examine it. He conducted the test on his own blood, because he had testified that, either there was no EDTA in human blood or there was very little. I think he said none. He was impeached on this testimony. Hence, he presented his aforementioned maligned testimony.
Based on the evidence that he would have been dead and the fact that he destroyed his data, which controverts all established scientific protocols, I found his testimony to be disingenuous.

My comment about the MF remaining was in regard to you claim that he stayed to make sure the transition was made smoothly, Given that he did not show Vanatter the alleged bloody finger print and Vanatter allegedly did not review the MF's notes, the transition was neither smooth, efficient, nor productive. Given that the MF allegedly wanted Vanatter to rely on his notes instead of pointing out all the evidence, there was no reason for him to have stayed. Did you consider there was never a bloody finger print? Did you consider that Vanatter did not believe the MF? Did you consider that the DF could not collect what was not there?

There are many of us, who know what your opinion of the MF is. I do not understand your willingness to accept the word of someone proven to be a liar.

Your memory as usual is not consistent with what was actually testified to.

The fact is that Martz concluded that neither the gate blood nor the sock blood contained EDTA preserved blood from a purple top vial. That was the defense theory of planted blood. The fact is that Martz's conclusions were later supported by other evidence that proved the gate and the sock blood were not planted. That fact proves your arguments about this are meaningless.

You keep putting the horse before the cart. Phillips and Fuhrman were the lead detectives in this case before it was turned over to Robbery Homicide. It was their responsibility to stay and meet the lead detectives from Robbery Homicide. What happened after the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived is meaningless to why Phillips and Fuhrman remained at Bundy to wait for them.

One irrelevant lie does not mean that everything else that Fuhrman testified to was not credible or reliable. The facts that Fuhrman testified to were all supported by the testimony from other witnesses and by the collected physical evidence in this case.

The biggest proven liar in this case was Simpson. I don't understand how you think you can argue this case by ignoring that fact.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Your memory as usual is not consistent with what was actually testified to.

The fact is that Martz concluded that neither the gate blood nor the sock blood contained EDTA preserved blood from a purple top vial. That was the defense theory of planted blood. The fact is that Martz's conclusions were later supported by other evidence that proved the gate and the sock blood were not planted. That fact proves your arguments about this are meaningless.

You keep putting the horse before the cart. Phillips and Fuhrman were the lead detectives in this case before it was turned over to Robbery Homicide. It was their responsibility to stay and meet the lead detectives from Robbery Homicide. What happened after the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived is meaningless to why Phillips and Fuhrman remained at Bundy to wait for them.

One irrelevant lie does not mean that everything else that Fuhrman testified to was not credible or reliable. The facts that Fuhrman testified to were all supported by the testimony from other witnesses and by the collected physical evidence in this case.

The biggest proven liar in this case was Simpson. I don't understand how you think you can argue this case by ignoring that fact.

bobaugust

Why did he test his own blood? To see if there was EDTA in human blood, because of his prior testimony. What happened after they were relieved is only meaningless if you have a closed mind and do not want to consider all the circumstances. You can choose to believe the MF wholeheartedly. If you lie about one thing you will lie about another, imho. The biggest proven liars in the case were LE, imho. No one can testify to what the MF saw when he went behind Kato's quarters as he was alone. Roberts was not called for a reason and I do not believe it was to protect Vanatter. I believe it was to protect the MF.