OJ's new Book

[limakey]

I'm really, really baffled about this IRS thing. I think it is fair to say that divorce and/or break ups do not always bring out the best in people. Why would OJ and Nicole be any different.

Another point, I have read several messages where Nicole sent OJ the very, very clear message that they were over. However, isn't it just as possible to say that with the IRS letter, OJ was sending Nicole the message that it was over?

Also, does anyone think that when OJ wrote to Nicole, forbidding her to just drop the kids' off at Rockingham and let GiGi watch them, that Nicole didn't get mad? Simpson made it clear, GiGi was employed at his estate as a housekeeper, not as a babysitter. In that very same letter, he told Nicole that Rockingham will always be their home and they are welcomed any time, when she gives enough time to make arrangements for them.

It also appears to me that both Nicole and OJ were pretty confident that if they really wanted the other back, they would be able to do so hands down. Didn't Nicole, in her letter to Cora write about this? I can't remember.

[Kate Sachel]

I'm really, really baffled about this IRS thing. I think it is fair to say that divorce and/or break ups do not always bring out the best in people. Why would OJ and Nicole be any different.

Another point, I have read several messages where Nicole sent OJ the very, very clear message that they were over. However, isn't it just as possible to say that with the IRS letter, OJ was sending Nicole the message that it was over?

Also, does anyone think that when OJ wrote to Nicole, forbidding her to just drop the kids' off at Rockingham and let GiGi watch them, that Nicole didn't get mad? Simpson made it clear, GiGi was employed at his estate as a housekeeper, not as a babysitter. In that very same letter, he told Nicole that Rockingham will always be their home and they are welcomed any time, when she gives enough time to make arrangements for them.

It also appears to me that both Nicole and OJ were pretty confident that if they really wanted the other back, they would be able to do so hands down. Didn't Nicole, in her letter to Cora write about this? I can't remember.

I don't think that the IRS letter was his message that it was over. He sent it after she had given him his jewelry back and advised him that she could not be bought. I personally think he thought that threatening her with finances would frighten her enough to remain committed in his life.

Instead, it backfired.

Remember as well that the letter she recieved was not the original letter that OJ was going to send. A fax was found to OJ from Skip Taft regarding the IRS letter stating that he made changes from the original version to leave out some apparently hostile things. So, I'm curious as to just how bad the original letter was. I might guess that it contained some threatening type of language that perhaps reflected his need for retaliation against her.

Kate

[William Anthony]

I don't think that the IRS letter was his message that it was over. He sent it after she had given him his jewelry back and advised him that she could not be bought. I personally think he thought that threatening her with finances would frighten her enough to remain committed in his life.

Instead, it backfired.

Remember as well that the letter she recieved was not the original letter that OJ was going to send. A fax was found to OJ from Skip Taft regarding the IRS letter stating that he made changes from the original version to leave out some apparently hostile things. So, I'm curious as to just how bad the original letter was. I might guess that it contained some threatening type of language that perhaps reflected his need for retaliation against her.

Kate

This is the problem with words. They can be interpteted in many different ways and often lead to erroneous conclusions. One may interpret a writing to mean that the author is genuine in the feelings he/she expressed, only to discover that the author's intend was something other than the reader to it to mean. He may have been threatening or giving her strong advice. The problem is that we may never know for a fact.

[martin II]

limakey

Nicole had in some way told oj i am finished. I am moving on. I agree that oj decided that it was time to cut ALL ties to nicole as he had become tired of having to be involved in some of the problems nicole brought to him for resolution. I can see him sending her the IRS letter as a way of telling her, look, you are on you own. No more support from oj. After all if nicole, in the future , been audited by the IRS and this issue was uncovered, oj would be involved.

However I believe that nicole may have thought that even though she was moving on, she could always count on oj to come to her aid. After all nicole had not been in the work place since she a waitress in some resturant.(17 years) Sure she knew it would not be a snap to support herself or find employment.

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

This is the problem with words. They can be interpteted in many different ways and often lead to erroneous conclusions. One may interpret a writing to mean that the author is genuine in the feelings he/she expressed, only to discover that the author's intend was something other than the reader to it to mean. He may have been threatening or giving her strong advice. The problem is that we may never know for a fact.


Okay, how about the fact that her diary detailed a phone call regarding the issue in which she wrote that he told her "I'm gonna get you for tax evasion b*tch, you're not gonna have a f**kin' dime left b*tch ..."

How about the fact that she told several people of this phone call?

Kate

[William Anthony]

Okay, how about the fact that her diary detailed a phone call regarding the issue in which she wrote that he told her "I'm gonna get you for tax evasion b*tch, you're not gonna have a f**kin' dime left b*tch ..."

How about the fact that she told several people of this phone call?

Kate

Given those facts, I would think the evidence is that he was very upset and can see it as being threatening.

[Kate Sachel]

Given those facts, I would think the evidence is that he was very upset and can see it as being threatening.

I agree.

I take issue with the fact that some people choose to view it as OJ doing the right thing, when clearly there is evidence that shows he was doing it to "punish" her. If his only interest were doing the right thing then in my opinion he would have simply mailed the letter informing her of his intent to disallow her use of his address for tax purposes and left it at that.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

I agree.

I take issue with the fact that some people choose to view it as OJ doing the right thing, when clearly there is evidence that shows he was doing it to "punish" her. If his only interest were doing the right thing then in my opinion he would have simply mailed the letter informing her of his intent to disallow her use of his address for tax purposes and left it at that.

Kate


Thank you Kate. Very well put.

[martin II]

Tazzy hi

If nicoles account of the conversation she had with oj on the IRS matter is true, it seems that this conversation did not go that well.

It appears that both were finished with each other at that point so i find it reasonable that oj would take a more formal method of commnicating with nicole on this issue.

This way there would be no misunderstand of his position.

Since Nicole and oj were divoiced and she had received a cash settlement and was, according to some people cutting all ties with oj and moving on with her life, why would she even come back to him and ask him to be involved in her scam.

It makes no sense.

martin ii

[jotun]

If his only interest were doing the right thing then in my opinion he would have simply mailed the letter informing her of his intent to disallow her use of his address for tax purposes and left it at that.

Kate

All:
HE DID!
Except being sent by messenger
from Taft who wrote it. O.J. had been audited before.And came-up CLEAN each time.So didn't need any IRS problems.
He had made sure,she had the money to pay her taxes.Tho he thought she would just use someone elses address.

O.J. also said he promised her a year try-out which was up in May.He kinda promised Nicole he would marry her again after a year.Said he loved Nicole, BUT wasn't in love with her.Didn't want to live with her again.He told Paula while in Puerto Rico that he did his time and was going to break-up with Nicole on his return.Which he did.

Cathy Randa told Barbara Walters that prior she had been buying O.J. books to recapture the passion with Nicole. Which was gone for O.J.
He could never get it back.
Normal reaction after being DUMPED.

jotun

[limakey]

Kate,

There might be a way for you to find out what the original IRS letter said. I'm not sure but did Skip Taft testify in the civil trial or give a depostion? I would assume that Petrocelli would have wanted to know the contents of the orginal letter.

While I realize that many G's feel that because of that IRS letter, he didn't care about his children. However, can't the the same be said of Nicole? She knew what she was doing was breaking the law and was risking going to prison of this.

IMO, OJ Simpson knew that Nicole couldn't be bought and has known this about her for years. IMO, Nicole never gave any indication that her attraction to OJ was mainly for money or the lifestyle he could give her.

OJ Simpson knew, has always know the only thing Nicole had ever wanted from him was to be faithful. Nicole doesn't strike me as the type who was impressed with expensive gifts. IMO.

[martin II]

All:
HE DID!
Except being sent by messenger
from Taft who wrote it. O.J. had been audited before.And came-up CLEAN each time.So didn't need any IRS problems.
He had made sure,she had the money to pay her taxes.Tho he thought she would just use someone elses address.

O.J. also said he promised her a year try-out which was up in May.He kinda promised Nicole he would marry her again after a year.Said he loved Nicole, BUT wasn't in love with her.Didn't want to live with her again.He told Paula while in Puerto Rico that he did his time and was going to break-up with Nicole on his return.Which he did.

Cathy Randa told Barbara Walters that prior she had been buying O.J. books to recapture the passion with Nicole. Which was gone for O.J.
He could never get it back.
Normal reaction after being DUMPED.

jotun

Jotun

I didn't know oj had made sure nicole had money to pay her taxes but it seem that he was very free with his money for her and her family.

Having been through two IRS audits, I am sure oj wanted to be careful in case there was another. If they audited oj, nicole may have been next.

However I have wondered why did nicole HAVE to use OJ'S address.

What about Bruce Jener, Cora, or some of her other friends or even her parents address. Why did it have to be OJ'S address. Especially since she had just told him to GET LOST.

martin II

[William Anthony]

I agree.

I take issue with the fact that some people choose to view it as OJ doing the right thing, when clearly there is evidence that shows he was doing it to "punish" her. If his only interest were doing the right thing then in my opinion he would have simply mailed the letter informing her of his intent to disallow her use of his address for tax purposes and left it at that.

Kate

I think that the tone of the letter and the phone calls, if true, would indicate that he was threatening her as to financial ruin. What is right and wrong is something that remains unclear in some situations. Was it wrong for her to use his address, was the use beneificial to the kids, would the kids have suffered if he pusnished her, would he still have provided for the kids, would her actions place him in trouble. I do not know and can only say that I would have handled the situation differenty.

[martin II]

I think that the tone of the letter and the phone calls, if true, would indicate that he was threatening her as to financial ruin. What is right and wrong is something that remains unclear in some situations. Was it wrong for her to use his address, was the use beneificial to the kids, would the kids have suffered if he pusnished her, would he still have provided for the kids, would her actions place him in trouble. I do not know and can only say that I would have handled the situation differenty.

william

Oj has always provided for his kids (even he was in jail) and he continues to do so today.

Nicole moved the kids from Rockingham to Greta Green and then to Bundy.
So the kids were uprooted by nicole not oj.

Oj had legitimate concerns about being involved in this scam and took the advise of his lawyer.

If nicole had been willing to take full responsibility for her financial affaris when she decided to be done with oj, There would have been no reason for her to try to suck him into this scam and therefore no reason for him to be pissed at her for trying to play him.imo


martin II

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793114]william

Oj has always provided for his kids (even he was in jail) and he continues to do so today.

Nicole moved the kids from Rockingham to Greta Green and then to Bundy.
So the kids were uprooted by nicole not oj.

Oj had legitimate concerns about being involved in this scam and took the advise of his lawyer.

If nicole had been willing to take full responsibility for her financial affaris when she decided to be done with oj, There would have been no reason for her to try to suck him into this scam and therefore no reason for him to be pissed at her for trying to play him.imo


good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

I often thought what if OJ just wanted to make a clean break & have no personal ties with Nicole- only issues relating to the kids-is that wrong??

[bobaugust]

good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

I often thought what if OJ just wanted to make a clean break & have no personal ties with Nicole- only issues relating to the kids-is that wrong??

sassylassy, no it's not wrong, but that's not what he did. He didn't make a clean break, he made a clean cut, right across her neck.

bobaugust

[sassylassy]

sassylassy, no it's not wrong, but that's not what he did. He didn't make a clean break, he made a clean cut, right across her neck.

bobaugust

well that is how you see it Bob!

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793114]william

Oj has always provided for his kids (even he was in jail) and he continues to do so today.

Nicole moved the kids from Rockingham to Greta Green and then to Bundy.
So the kids were uprooted by nicole not oj.

Oj had legitimate concerns about being involved in this scam and took the advise of his lawyer.

If nicole had been willing to take full responsibility for her financial affaris when she decided to be done with oj, There would have been no reason for her to try to suck him into this scam and therefore no reason for him to be pissed at her for trying to play him.imo


good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

I often thought what if OJ just wanted to make a clean break & have no personal ties with Nicole- only issues relating to the kids-is that wrong??

sassylassy
To me, the fact that oj decided to have his lawyer notify Nicole that he was not willing to participate in her scheme indicates that he no longer wanted to be bothered with her and her problems and did not want to discuss it with her personally. Having his lawyer deliver this notice gave him a legal record of notification.

It also indictes that she would no longer be able to sweet talk him into bending to her wishes. imo

martin II

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793168]

sassylassy
To me, the fact that oj decided to have his lawyer notify Nicole that he was not willing to participate in her scheme indicates that he no longer wanted to be bothered with her and her problems and did not want to discuss it with her personally. Having his lawyer deliver this notice gave him a legal record of notification.
martin II


Hey martin :)

I see your point & can see that Simpson was also being a jerk about it too
yes he could have done things differently- but maybe he was playing some hard ball back-maybe he was never going to follow thru w/ the intentions of the letter!

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793193]


Hey martin :)

I see your point & can see that Simpson was also being a jerk about it too
yes he could have done things differently- but maybe he was playing some hard ball back-maybe he was never going to follow thru w/ the intentions of the letter!

sassy lassy

First. i like your lips.

It is possible that oj was playing hardball back. She was playing a small game with him re:the kids but he upped the anti quite a bit with that IRS letter.

He could have informed her in person, if she argued or refused to agree then he could have used the lawyer. But maby he had already tried that.
martin II

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793195]

sassy lassy

First. i like your lips.

It is possible that oj was playing hardball back. She was playing a small game with him re:the kids but he upped the anti quite a bit with that IRS letter.

He could have informed her in person, if she argued or refused to agree then he could have used the lawyer. But maby he had already tried that.
martin II

Ha ha thanks Martin, I like my lips too-they Rock :) LOL!
they are very Frank N Furter :)

and I agree-:beer:

[2L8 4A D8]

I think that the tone of the letter and the phone calls, if true, would indicate that he was threatening her as to financial ruin. What is right and wrong is something that remains unclear in some situations. Was it wrong for her to use his address, was the use beneificial to the kids, would the kids have suffered if he pusnished her, would he still have provided for the kids, would her actions place him in trouble. I do not know and can only say that I would have handled the situation differenty.

Hopefully, this will be the last that we hear from you re: the IRS matter!

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

William and Martin,

IMO, both Nicole and OJ knew how to push each other buttons. Neither was a Saint and neither was the only sinner. IMO, there are a few circumstances surrounding the IRS letter that have not be talked about. First, Simpson lost a ton a money due to the Rodney King Riots. I believe he lost three businesses. And if I remember correctly, during this same time he lost money due to bad investments as well as taking a pay decrease from NBC. I belive this is the reason he was going to go to court to either counter Nicole's request for more support money or to get his support payments lower. Either way, when it comes to money regarding the courts, you better make sure that your house is pretty clean if you are going to ask for a reduction in payments.

It is very possible that OJ was given very wise and sage advice by his lawyer and OJ decided to use this to his advantage by using words that he really didn't need to use to get his point across.

Also, IMO, in a situation like this, I don't think there is a good way to tell someone this and it would be impossible for the receiver to take this letter as sound legal advice, but to take it as another attempt to kick some more sand in the eyes or rub the salt even deeper into the wounds.

If you think about it, is there really a nice and easy way to tell someone you want out of a marriage or to break up?

[William Anthony]

William and Martin,

IMO, both Nicole and OJ knew how to push each other buttons. Neither was a Saint and neither was the only sinner. IMO, there are a few circumstances surrounding the IRS letter that have not be talked about. First, Simpson lost a ton a money due to the Rodney King Riots. I believe he lost three businesses. And if I remember correctly, during this same time he lost money due to bad investments as well as taking a pay decrease from NBC. I belive this is the reason he was going to go to court to either counter Nicole's request for more support money or to get his support payments lower. Either way, when it comes to money regarding the courts, you better make sure that your house is pretty clean if you are going to ask for a reduction in payments.

It is very possible that OJ was given very wise and sage advice by his lawyer and OJ decided to use this to his advantage by using words that he really didn't need to use to get his point across.

Also, IMO, in a situation like this, I don't think there is a good way to tell someone this and it would be impossible for the receiver to take this letter as sound legal advice, but to take it as another attempt to kick some more sand in the eyes or rub the salt even deeper into the wounds.

If you think about it, is there really a nice and easy way to tell someone you want out of a marriage or to break up?

I do believe that there comes a point in any relationship, when both parties know that the end is near. Upon that realization, is when adults should try to retain any semblance of the feelings they once felt for each other and to part as friendly as possible. I do not believe it is wise to hate a person you once claimed to love. Unfortunately, there are too many divorces that end with bitterness, imho.

[socaldiva]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793195]
*snip*
It is possible that oj was playing hardball back. She was playing a small game with him re:the kids but he upped the anti quite a bit with that IRS letter.


What "game" are you alluding to Nicole playing relative to the children? :confused:

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793197]

What "game" are you alluding to Nicole playing relative to the children? :confused:



:confused: that was martins post, not mine.

[socaldiva]

[QUOTE=socaldiva;8793685]
:confused: that was martins post, not mine.

Yes, I knew it was Martin's post. I don't know how I managed to post it as I did. Sorry about that.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793692]

Yes, I knew it was Martin's post. I don't know how I managed to post it as I did. Sorry about that.


No problem :)

[weezer]

*Snipped*[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793168][QUOTE=martin II;8793114]good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?[QUOTE] Hmm -- so $$ equates to caring for his kids to you? Sad.

[martin II]

*Snipped*[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793168][QUOTE=martin II;8793114]good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?[QUOTE] Hmm -- so $$ equates to caring for his kids to you? Sad.

oj cared for his kids before the trial , during the trial and all of this time after the trial, including now
martin II

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8793764]*Snipped*[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793168][QUOTE=martin II;8793114]good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

oj cared for his kids before the trial , during the trial and all of this time after the trial, including now
martin II

that's not what Nicole when she was alive and it certainly is not what Sydney said in her phone call to the police.
Didn't you think it was weird that he went to get his golf clubs and not his children when he got back from Chicago? I mean, after all, their mom hadn't been dead 24 hours . . . And what in the world was he thinking when he was threatening to commit suicide? His children had just had their mother brutally murdered but here he was thinking it was all about him. . . .No, he wasn't a good father then and unless he's undergone some wonderful transformation, I doubt he's been better since or now. Nothing else about him has changed.

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793767][QUOTE=fbgweezer;8793764]*Snipped*[QUOTE=sassylassy;8793168]

that's not what Nicole when she was alive and it certainly is not what Sydney said in her phone call to the police.
Didn't you think it was weird that he went to get his golf clubs and not his children when he got back from Chicago? I mean, after all, their mom hadn't been dead 24 hours . . . And what in the world was he thinking when he was threatening to commit suicide? His children had just had their mother brutally murdered but here he was thinking it was all about him. . . .No, he wasn't a good father then and unless he's undergone some wonderful transformation, I doubt he's been better since or now. Nothing else about him has changed.


fbg
what i realize is that it may be that your hate and anger may be causing you to make a whole bunch of irrational and untrue charges and comments.
martin II

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8793776][QUOTE=martin II;8793767][QUOTE=fbgweezer;8793764]*Snipped*


fbg
what i realize is that it may be that your hate and anger may be causing you to make a whole bunch of irrational and untrue charges and comments.
martin II You have me all wrong -- I don't 'hate' and I'm certainly not 'angry' with orenthal. I believe he is a sore on humanity and that people like him need to be locked away from society. I have made no irrational and/or untrue charges. If you feel I have, please point those out to me so that they can be addressed.

[2L8 4A D8]

I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

oj cared for his kids before the trial , during the trial and all of this time after the trial, including now
martin II

You act and talk like OJ deserved a medal or some kind of trophy. It was his responsibility to take care of his kids since he slaughtered their Mother. He isn't doing anything any different than the rest of us who are parents. We are all responsible to take care of our children. WOW, what a concept, huh? And what does $10K a month have to do with anything? OJ is/was rich. It was pocket change to him I am sure! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

William,

I believe divorce is one of the most tramatic experiences you can ever go through. I do believe it is possible that people who once loved each other very much can maintain a certain type of friendship, however, past "mistakes" can never be taken back nor can their ever truly be enough "I'm sorrys".

IMO, there is enough evidence to suggest that OJ and Nicole knew that as much as they loved each other, this wasn't going to work out at this time. However, it appears to me that when it came to their children, they were able to maintain a decent relationship.

I remember during the trial and all these talking heads, who have been divorced more then once, made these insane comments. I really wanted to call in and ask them when they went through their divorces, did they just come home one day and ask their spouse if they were always a jerk and they just never noticed or is this a new persona--either way, no worries we will just hold hands and skip down to the courthouse and get a divorce. No tears, no hurt feelings, no angry words, no slamming doors, etc. It must be nice to have that type of control of your emotions when you realize you have failed in a marriage.

[Kate Sachel]

[QUOTE=martin II;8793114]william

Oj has always provided for his kids (even he was in jail) and he continues to do so today.

Nicole moved the kids from Rockingham to Greta Green and then to Bundy.
So the kids were uprooted by nicole not oj.

Oj had legitimate concerns about being involved in this scam and took the advise of his lawyer.

If nicole had been willing to take full responsibility for her financial affaris when she decided to be done with oj, There would have been no reason for her to try to suck him into this scam and therefore no reason for him to be pissed at her for trying to play him.imo


good points martin. I thought the same thing, ppl say OJ didnt care about his kids- but he was paying 10,000 a month in child support, that seems to me that he cared for their well being?

I often thought what if OJ just wanted to make a clean break & have no personal ties with Nicole- only issues relating to the kids-is that wrong??

He paid child support based on a court order, but do you assume that paying child support means that a man is providing for his children? I tried not to judge at the time, but was surprised that he did not see his children for days after arriving back in Los Angeles after the murder of Nicole. I would imagine that would be the first thing that a parent should do for their children who just lost their other parent and are probably feeling very alone and frightened.

Writing a check when you are filthy rich is a very easy thing to do.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

All:
HE DID!
Except being sent by messenger
from Taft who wrote it. O.J. had been audited before.And came-up CLEAN each time.So didn't need any IRS problems.
He had made sure,she had the money to pay her taxes.Tho he thought she would just use someone elses address.

O.J. also said he promised her a year try-out which was up in May.He kinda promised Nicole he would marry her again after a year.Said he loved Nicole, BUT wasn't in love with her.Didn't want to live with her again.He told Paula while in Puerto Rico that he did his time and was going to break-up with Nicole on his return.Which he did.

Cathy Randa told Barbara Walters that prior she had been buying O.J. books to recapture the passion with Nicole. Which was gone for O.J.
He could never get it back.
Normal reaction after being DUMPED.

jotun

No, he didn't leave it at that. He called her afterward and screamed about how she wasn't going to have a dime left, cursed her and called her names. But if you want to call it "leaving it at that" then who am I to correct what I deem your misguided views?

Where did you come up with the idea that he made certain that Nicole had enough money to pay her taxes? Or do you consider "enough" being that she had about enough money in the bank to cover the taxes and then would not have anything left?

It is clear to me that OJ wanted Nicole to be finacially dependent on him, since she made it clear that she was no longer dependent on him in any other way. In my opinion it was the only way left in which he had any way to assert some control.

Kate

[weezer]

*Snipped* I believe divorce is one of the most tramatic experiences you can ever go through.

Nicole would probably argue this point with you. I think being butchered by your abusing sociopathic/psychopathic ex-husband is much more traumatic! IMO

[William Anthony]

Hopefully, this will be the last that we hear from you re: the IRS matter!

JMO and MOO!!

We are approaching a new year and hopefully a new era of patience, tolerance, understanding and civility. In light of world events, I think it is obvious what the lack of those things causes. In an effort to save bandwidth, let us try to not engage in irrelevant rhetoric that adds nothing to the subject matter being discussed. As my references to Mark Furhman as the blankety blank MF has spawned some apparent ire on this board, I will be the first to refrain, in an effort to promote productive and effective communications. I wish All a prosperous new year.

[martin II]

all

Nicole won a large settlement at her divoice i think it was something like $300,000 or $400,000 cash settlement that oj paid.

Why should she be dependant on oj financially after that. The puropse of the settlement was to make her whole (finaicially)
martin II

[martin II]

*Snipped*

Nicole would probably argue this point with you. I think being butchered by your abusing sociopathic/psychopathic ex-husband is much more traumatic! IMO

fbg
maby you should consider deputy di's previous post about calling people names and williams agreement.imo
martin II

[martin II]

*Snipped*

Nicole would probably argue this point with you. I think being butchered by your abusing sociopathic/psychopathic ex-husband is much more traumatic! IMO

weezer
you are confused again
limakey was talking about how nicole may have felt during her divoice. not after she was murdered by someone.imo
martin II

[weezer]

weezer
you are confused again
limakey was talking about how nicole may have felt during her divoice. not after she was murdered by someone.imo
martin II

I wasn't confused -- you are, AGAIN. limakey was expressing her feelings on the subject not Nicole's.

[martin II]

I wasn't confused -- you are, AGAIN. limakey was expressing her feelings on the subject not Nicole's.

How could nicole argue about anything after she was dead. you are waisting time on this silly argument.
martin II

[weezer]

How could nicole argue about anything after she was dead. you are waisting time on this silly argument.
martin II

orenthal made sure of that and you are pathetic.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Nicole won a large settlement at her divoice i think it was something like $300,000 or $400,000 cash settlement that oj paid.

You think a one time pay out of $300,000 or $400,000 is a lot of money when you've got 2 small kids to raise & no training to earn a living? I wonder why OJ was whining about living off $300k a year?

[weezer]

You think a one time pay out of $300,000 or $400,000 is a lot of money when you've got 2 small kids to raise & no training to earn a living? I wonder why OJ was whining about living off $300k a year?

martin can't grasp the financials of what was going on between orenthal and Nicole. You would think someone as well traveled (Africa and all ;)) and what with being friends with James Brown ;) would be a little more kowledgeable as to what was happening. But guess not.

[socaldiva]

:lol: and don't forget, he's now an expert on probate law :D

[martin II]

martin can't grasp the financials of what was going on between orenthal and Nicole. You would think someone as well traveled (Africa and all ;)) and what with being friends with James Brown ;) would be a little more kowledgeable as to what was happening. But guess not.

nicole agreed to the divoice settlement. it was up to her to make that money work. Additionally i am sure oj still spent money on his kids after the divoice as there has been no one that has said that he was stingy with the bucks for the kids or nicole.

if it was not enough nicole could have considered doing what many women with small kids do seek employment.

speaking of j.b.
James Browns memorial was very nice last night. Lots of people and music.Your friend Sharpton spoke. still it was sad that he left us at such a early age and with so much more that he could contribute to you and me.

ps: have you ever traveled to Africa?
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
nicole agreed to the divoice settlement. it was up to her to make that money work.

:rolleyes: What was her other option? Who would have paid her lawyer to fight it out?

[socaldiva]

*snip*speaking of j.b.
James Browns memorial was very nice last night.

WTH cares? Take it to the hollywood boards.

[2L8 4A D8]

We are approaching a new year and hopefully a new era of patience, tolerance, understanding and civility. In light of world events, I think it is obvious what the lack of those things causes. In an effort to save bandwidth, let us try to not engage in irrelevant rhetoric that adds nothing to the subject matter being discussed. As my references to Mark Furhman as the blankety blank MF has spawned some apparent ire on this board, I will be the first to refrain, in an effort to promote productive and effective communications. I wish All a prosperous new year.

Firstly ~ Dream on! Secondly ~ Don't tell me what to post! Thirdly ~ Who do you think that you are kidding? Not me! If you hadn't been taken to task by Kate and Deputy Di, you'd still be calling Mark Fuhrman the blankety blank blank MF and you know it! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

fbg
maby you should consider deputy di's previous post about calling people names and williams agreement.imo
martin II

You're such a freaking hypocrite! You should also consider Deputy Di's previous post about calling people names, i.e., the Victims and their Families. Also, WA's "agreement" isn't worth the bandwidth that it takes up! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

You're such a freaking hypocrite! You should also consider Deputy Di's previous post about calling people names, i.e., the Victims and their Families. Also, WA's "agreement" isn't worth the bandwidth that it takes up! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!




i sure would like to know what causes you to be so angry 24/7
you are tripping all over the place.
martin II

[martin II]

You're such a freaking hypocrite! You should also consider Deputy Di's previous post about calling people names, i.e., the Victims and their Families. Also, WA's "agreement" isn't worth the bandwidth that it takes up! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

are you being deprived of food and water?

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

WTH cares? Take it to the hollywood boards.

:beer: Right on, Diva! WTH does care?

'Ol Martin doesn't have the b@11$ to go over and post on the CTV Boards because they'd chew him up and spit him out! And, he couldn't possibly ever leave his precious comrade, WA! Who would tell him what to say in his Posts? :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

i sure would like to know what causes you to be so angry 24/7
you are tripping all over the place.
martin II

:lol: :lol: :lol: Blah Blah Blah! You say the same thing to all of us G's! Who really gives a ratt's azz what you say? IMO!!

[martin II]

:beer: Right on, Diva! WTH does care?

'Ol Martin doesn't have the b@11$ to go over and post on the CTV Boards because they'd chew him up and spit him out! And, he couldn't possibly ever leave his precious comrade, WA! Who would tell him what to say in his Posts? :eek:

JMO and MOO!!
still tripping
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*nicole agreed to the divoice settlement. it was up to her to make that money work.

you find this part hard to follow don't you? Nicole tried to make the money work for her. She bought a home for her and her children. orenthal was threatening to take that away from them by turning her into the IRS. She would have to sell their home and pay the money to the IRS for capital gains. They would not have had a home and there would be no money. It was all about control for orenthal. He must have felt really angry when he found out that she had already made plans to move out of the condo and had already found another place for her and the kids to live. A place away from orenthal.

[martin II]

*Snipped*

you find this part hard to follow don't you? Nicole tried to make the money work for her. She bought a home for her and her children. orenthal was threatening to take that away from them by turning her into the IRS. She would have to sell their home and pay the money to the IRS for capital gains. They would not have had a home and there would be no money. It was all about control for orenthal. He must have felt really angry when he found out that she had already made plans to move out of the condo and had already found another place for her and the kids to live. A place away from orenthal.

nicole made all of these decisions. She may not have been able to take the children AWAY from him.
martin II

[weezer]

nicole made all of these decisions. She may not have been able to take the children AWAY from him.
martin II

You're right -- he made sure she didn't go anywhere.

[socaldiva]

still tripping
martin II

The only one I see "tripping" here is you.

[martin II]

You're right -- he made sure she didn't go anywhere.

There are many women in this country that raise more than two children on a whole lot less than $400,000.00 and many of these kids turn out to be good people so i don't know what nicoles problem was if she was broke.

There are also many that have two or more small children and work to support herself and her children.

if she blew the $400,000 oj gave her it is not his fault.

martin II

[martin II]

You're right -- he made sure she didn't go anywhere.

the court may not have allowed her to take his kids away.
martin II

[martin II]

*Snipped*

you find this part hard to follow don't you? Nicole tried to make the money work for her. She bought a home for her and her children. orenthal was threatening to take that away from them by turning her into the IRS. She would have to sell their home and pay the money to the IRS for capital gains. They would not have had a home and there would be no money. It was all about control for orenthal. He must have felt really angry when he found out that she had already made plans to move out of the condo and had already found another place for her and the kids to live. A place away from orenthal.

thats what you think. i guess nicole or oj told you what the financial ramificatrion were.

hahaha
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*it is not his fault.

The NG mantra --

not his fault he wh*red around
not his fault he beat her
not his fault he stalked her
not his fault he threatened her
not his fault he murdered her
not his fault he stole cable
not his fault he was accused of road rage
not his fault he has tried to make money off of the murders
not his fault his daughter called the police

poor ole orenthal -- seems he just has really bad luck

[weezer]

thats what you think. i guess nicole or oj told you what the financial ramificatrion were.

hahaha
martin II

you think that's funny? Actually, Nicole told all of us in her diary and letters. You really are pathetic.

[socaldiva]

thats what you think. i guess nicole or oj told you what the financial ramificatrion were.

hahaha
martin II

And I guess James Brown told you what OJ was thinking/doing. You are always posting about that as though you know. Too bad James Brown didn't introduce you to "the juice" :rolleyes:

[sassylassy]

Hmm -- so $$ equates to caring for his kids to you? Sad.

yes, providing financial support is one factor that indicates to me Ojs care for his childrens well being.

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer

yes, providing financial support is one factor that indicates to me Ojs care for his childrens well being.

Yes, financial support is one factor but in orenthal's case, it actually indicates just exactly opposite what you are trying to prove. He was willing to have his children lose their home just so he could 'punish' Nicole. Take some time and read all of the depositions/testimony. You will find that not only Nicole, but his children, family and friends referred to orenthal as an absentee dad. No one was giving orenthal "Dad of the Year" awards for his participation in any of his children's lives.

[socaldiva]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer

yes, providing financial support is one factor that indicates to me Ojs care for his childrens well being.

I don't think he had in choice in the matter, especially considering how he was always concerned about his public image. I'm sure he wouldn't allow himself to be painted in the press as a Dad that wouldn't provide financially for his children. Nor do I think the courts would allow it. Also, how could he manage to squirrel away his money, if he didn't feed his shady earnings into something that provides for the children?

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=socaldiva;8794608] snip

I don't think he had in choice in the matter, especially considering how he was always concerned about his public image. I'm sure he wouldn't allow himself to be painted in the press as a Dad that wouldn't provide financially for his children. Nor do I think the courts would allow it.


if Oj was so concerned about his public image, then he wouldnt of allowed Nicole and the children to end up homeless on the streets!
how would that look in the press??

imo jmo

[weezer]

*Snipped*[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794605]I am interested in names/links of ppl that said ojs was bad father, I never heard this before????

Where did you get 'bad' father? I said Nicole, his children, his family and his friends referred to him as an absentee dad. And, I posted that you could read it in their depositions/testimonies.

You continue to post that his financial support somehow equates to him being a good dad. I think you understand that he was ordered to pay child support and he obviously hadn't been told he could run to Florida to get out of paying his obligations or he probably would have moved much sooner.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794604]

Yes, financial support is one factor but in orenthal's case, it actually indicates just exactly opposite what you are trying to prove. He was willing to have his children lose their home just so he could 'punish' Nicole. Take some time and read all of the depositions/testimony. You will find that not only Nicole, but his children, family and friends referred to orenthal as an absentee dad. No one was giving orenthal "Dad of the Year" awards for his participation in any of his children's lives.


-I lost my Original post in edit mode:

I disagree, for one I dont think he would have followed thru w/ the letter- I
think he was flexing his wounded ego & it backfired on him,

I am sure he was an absentee father, many house holds in all walks of life have one- especially when your the soul provider & w/ Ojs work being in show buz that required him to travel- so he earned & provided everyone w/ a roof over there head -clothing on their back & food on the table, not to mention a fine education. so that must account for something. imo.


I am interested in names/links of ppl that said ojs was bad father, I never heard this

[2L8 4A D8]

I disagree, for one I dont think he would have followed thru w/ the letter- I
think he was flexing his wounded ego & it backfired on him,

I am sure he was an absentee father, many house holds in all walks of life have one, especially when your the soul provider & Ojs was in show buz therefore that required him to travel so that everyone could live with a roof over there head.

I am interested in names/links of ppl that said ojs was bad father, I never heard this before????

Hey, it's a 3-day weekend! Now would be a good time for you to start hitting those :read: if you've "never heard this before????"

Contrary to popular belief, us G's are not interested in holding your hand or to do any research for you! Nobody did it for us! I don't know what makes you think that you're so special!

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

*Snipped*[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794613]

Where did you get 'bad' father? I said Nicole, his children, his family and his friends referred to him as an absentee dad. And, I posted that you could read it in their depositions/testimonies.

You continue to post that his financial support somehow equates to him being a good dad. I think you understand that he was ordered to pay child support and he obviously hadn't been told he could run to Florida to get out of paying his obligations or he probably would have moved much sooner.

so do you think OJS was a good father or a bad father?

-he was an absentee father because he worked to provide for his family
I think that equates him as a good provider- he certainly wasnt a deadbeat & btw I have read the depositions/testimonies and never heard of these statements:read: IMO JMO-

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794616]*Snipped*

so do you think OJS was a good father or a bad father?

-he was an absentee father because he worked to provide for his family
I think that equates him as a good provider- he certainly wasnt a deadbeat & btw I have read the depositions/testimonies and never heard of these statements:read: IMO JMO-


I think he was a terrible father -- he murdered the mother of two of his children!

He was an absentee father because he was busy entertaining orenthal -- golf, girls, etc. How much time do you think his 'other' women took from his limited time as a dad? Hmmm

Start with Jason's, then read AC's, then read Nicole's diary entries and letter to orenthal -- you get the idea.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794627]
snip--


*He was an absentee father because he was busy entertaining orenthal -- golf, girls, etc. How much time do you think his 'other' women took from his limited time as a dad? Hmmm

**Start with Jason's, then read AC's, then read Nicole's diary entries and letter to orenthal -- you get the idea.


*looks like we just disagree- you see it one way & I see it another-

**and I got the idea, I just havent bought the story!

[weezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794631]


*looks like we just disagree- you see it one way & I see it another-

**and I got the idea, I just havent bought the story!

***Somehow I'm not surprised.

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794616]*Snipped*

so do you think OJS was a good father or a bad father?

-he was an absentee father because he worked to provide for his family
I think that equates him as a good provider- he certainly wasnt a deadbeat & btw I have read the depositions/testimonies and never heard of these statements:read: IMO JMO-


Classysassy,

Happy New Year. I see and hope you will continue the class that shines your tolerance.

[martin II]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794634]

***Somehow I'm not surprised.

sassy lassy


Some of coras testimony about talking about going to florida and some nicole issues about her safety.

martinII


http://walraven.org/simpson/cf_depo2.html

A: What do I mean by that? She was doing-she was drinking too much and her association with Faye. That's pretty much.

Q: And you were concerned for her safety. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that's why you went to talk to OJ. about going to Florida. Isn't that true?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And when you took that walk around the block with OJ. over at Rockingham, you said that you thought it was best that OJ. take Nicole and the kids, and move to Florida. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that was because you were concerned about her safety, and you thought that OJ. could protect her. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And at that time OJ. told you that he was currently dating Paula. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And you thought OJ. was the best person to protect her at that time, didn't you? .

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: At that time, yes, because they wanted to-you know, I thought that they could get back together again.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: In 1992 was Nicole receiving threatening phone calls?

A: Yes.

Q: This was in the calendar year of 1992?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you about those phone calls?

A: Yes. Every day someone was calling, calling her up like three, four times a day, and pretty much an obscene phone call.

Q: And this is when she moved into Gretna Green?

A: Yes

Q: Did she ever tell you that she was fearful because of these phone calls? MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Did she ever file a police report?

A: Yes.

Q: When did she file the police report, if you know?

A: During the time when she was worried about her safety. I don't know the time frame.

Q: Did she tell you that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips were the investigating officers during those phone calls?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: The police found a suspect, didn't they?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And they identified one person who they believed were making the phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that was not OJ. Simpson. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And in fact Nicole asked OJ. to keep an eye on her because of these phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: She was concerned about her safety, and she was concerned about the safety of her children. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True. Actually, Nicole spoke to that guy.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Nicole spoke to the caller?

A: The caller.

Q: When did she speak to the caller?

A: That-when the guy was investigated. I mean when they found the guy.

Q: What did she say to him?

A: She said, "You have to stop calling me."

Q: Did she call him up?

A: No. I think the guy called again.

[martin II]

http://walraven.org/simpson/cf_depo2.html

according to cora after the divoice many of nicoles friends went to ojs side.
Nicole thought that oj was taking her friends from her.He denied this, Faye, according to nicole was talking and being around oj too much for nicole and she accused him of inviting faye to some event/party. oj denied this.He says faye invited herself.

cora says that this was what they were agruing about when the IRS letter issue came up and was the real resaon nicole and oj were angry with other.

martin II

[martin II]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794616]*Snipped*

so do you think OJS was a good father or a bad father?

-he was an absentee father because he worked to provide for his family
I think that equates him as a good provider- he certainly wasnt a deadbeat & btw I have read the depositions/testimonies and never heard of these statements:read: IMO JMO-

sassy Lassy
considering the fact that oj and nicole was living a highy maintinance life style and that oj was the only one working and paying all the bills, i consider him to be a great father. He could not be home playing games with the kids nightly when he had big time bills to pay for all of them.
His NBC and Hertz duties required that he be in New York most of the time and this is one reason why he said he had decided long before nicole was murdered that he should move to Florida because this would shorten his travel requirements to N.Y. imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794737*snip*

considering the fact that oj and nicole was living a highy maintinance life style and that oj was the only one working and paying all the bills, i consider him to be a great father. [/QUOTE]



Paying the bills doesn't cancel out cheating on the Mother of your children, beating her & murdering her. You can argue & deny the murder, but not the other 2.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794627]


Classysassy,

Happy New Year. I see and hope you will continue the class that shines your tolerance.

Hi Doc

Thanks :) and Happy New year to you as well- I am a busy Lassy-
but I will always post on my down time!!!!!

see ya -friend :seeya:

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794732----snip----

http://walraven.org/simpson/cf_depo2.html

thanks for the link-that was very helpful!!!
:read:

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794627]

sassy Lassy
considering the fact that oj and nicole was living a highy maintinance life style and that oj was the only one working and paying all the bills, i consider him to be a great father. He could not be home playing games with the kids nightly when he had big time bills to pay for all of them.
His NBC and Hertz duties required that he be in New York most of the time and this is one reason why he said he had decided long before nicole was murdered that he should move to Florida because this would shorten his travel requirements to N.Y. imo
martin II

:beer: i feel the same way 2---

[2L8 4A D8]

Hi Doc

Thanks :) and Happy New year to you as well- I am a busy Lassy-
but I will always post on my down time!!!!!

see ya -friend :seeya:

Yes, and you do have a lot of DOWN time that's for sure! IMO!

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=]

---snip---

http://walraven.org/simpson/cf_depo2.html

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: In 1992 was Nicole receiving threatening phone calls?

A: Yes.

Q: This was in the calendar year of 1992?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you about those phone calls?

A: Yes. Every day someone was calling, calling her up like three, four times a day, and pretty much an obscene phone call.

Q: And this is when she moved into Gretna Green?

A: Yes

Q: Did she ever tell you that she was fearful because of these phone calls? MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Did she ever file a police report?

A: Yes.

Q: When did she file the police report, if you know?

A: During the time when she was worried about her safety. I don't know the time frame.

Q: Did she tell you that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips were the investigating officers during those phone calls?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: The police found a suspect, didn't they?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And they identified one person who they believed were making the phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that was not OJ. Simpson. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And in fact Nicole asked OJ. to keep an eye on her because of these phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: She was concerned about her safety, and she was concerned about the safety of her children. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True. Actually, Nicole spoke to that guy.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Nicole spoke to the caller?

A: The caller.

Q: When did she speak to the caller?

A: That-when the guy was investigated. I mean when they found the guy.

Q: What did she say to him?

A: She said, "You have to stop calling me."

Q: Did she call him up?

A: No. I think the guy called again.




Hi Martin- i would like to discuss these calls w/ u- its off topic here-
so we take it to the thread " Unanswered Questions in the OJ Case"
see ya there :read:

[socaldiva]

It seems David Letterman has been poking fun at Orenthal :biggrin:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive2006/ls_topten_archive_20061121.shtml

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive2006/ls_topten_archive_20061116.shtml

[2L8 4A D8]

It seems David Letterman has been poking fun at Orenthal :biggrin:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive2006/ls_topten_archive_20061121.shtml

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive2006/ls_topten_archive_20061116.shtml

Diva: Thank God I went to the bathroom before I read these! They are hysterical! I don't think that I have laughed so hard! Gotta Love Dave!

[weezer]

*Snipped*It may be that some times you are beginning to sound like fbg. but i know you are different and more accurate and pleasant in your post. so i apologize.

Did you just diss me?

[socaldiva]

Diva: Thank God I went to the bathroom before I read these! They are hysterical! I don't think that I have laughed so hard! Gotta Love Dave!

I'm glad it made you giggle. I especially like #3. "Things I want to do before I go to h***". :D

[martin II]

*Snipped*

Did you just diss me?

i don't think so. but no diss intended.
martin II

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794732]




Hi Martin- i would like to discuss these calls w/ u- its off topic here-
so we take it to the thread " Unanswered Questions in the OJ Case"
see ya there :read:

Hey Classy,

If you and Martin will not object, I would like to join you on the other thread.

[martin II]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794835]

Hey Classy,

If you and Martin will not object, I would like to join you on the other thread.

william

please do.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Yes, and you do have a lot of DOWN time that's for sure! IMO!

I wish Classy had more down time as I do believe there are some who can learn a lot from her, myself included.

[martin II]

I wish Classy had more down time as I do believe there are some who can learn a lot from her, myself included.

wiliam
i have learned from sassy's post as i find them to be to the point, true and classy. imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

There is much discussion being had about whether or not providing for your family equates into being a good father. I'd like to contribute my thoughts.

I think that providing for your children makes you a good provider, but I do not agree that it makes you a good father. Yes, OJ was required to travel but only frequently during the football season. Other than that, most of his time was in California.

My understanding from various interviews, books, and depositions is that OJ rarely made time for any of his children, including Arnelle and Jason when they were younger. Marguerite wrote a letter complaining of OJ's neglect toward their children. Nicole wrote many diary entries and spoke to several people complaining of OJ's neglect toward their children.

Coincidence? Doubtful. We have four children with two different women and both women independently complained of his lack of caring for his dependents. I believe wholeheartedly that this should tell us something.

In regard to some comments made regarding the fact that Nicole should have made her finances work and that a 400k settlement should have been sufficient I would kindly remind those individuals that it was OJ who did not want Nicole to work and so for seventeen years of her life that was spent with him she held no job and was a housewife. After such a period of time it is not easy to jet on out into the working world and secure gainful employment.

I have no way of knowing where Nicole was at with her life, but it appears that she may have been in the process of attempting to be able to stand on her own two feet.

Kate

[martin II]

to all

It is my experience that there are many women that have children that are divoiced ex housewifes that after divoice have managed to find employment
to support themselves and their children. It is my ooinion that nicole had a great head start with the $400,0000 setttlement she received from oj.

Considering reports of her lifestyle after her divoice she seemed to be content on spending her days having lunch at starbucks, clubbing ,jogging and living the life of ease. She must have rejected traditional ideas such as school or job training.

imo jmo
martin II

[William Anthony]

There is much discussion being had about whether or not providing for your family equates into being a good father. I'd like to contribute my thoughts.

I think that providing for your children makes you a good provider, but I do not agree that it makes you a good father. Yes, OJ was required to travel but only frequently during the football season. Other than that, most of his time was in California.

My understanding from various interviews, books, and depositions is that OJ rarely made time for any of his children, including Arnelle and Jason when they were younger. Marguerite wrote a letter complaining of OJ's neglect toward their children. Nicole wrote many diary entries and spoke to several people complaining of OJ's neglect toward their children.

Coincidence? Doubtful. We have four children with two different women and both women independently complained of his lack of caring for his dependents. I believe wholeheartedly that this should tell us something.

In regard to some comments made regarding the fact that Nicole should have made her finances work and that a 400k settlement should have been sufficient I would kindly remind those individuals that it was OJ who did not want Nicole to work and so for seventeen years of her life that was spent with him she held no job and was a housewife. After such a period of time it is not easy to jet on out into the working world and secure gainful employment.

I have no way of knowing where Nicole was at with her life, but it appears that she may have been in the process of attempting to be able to stand on her own two feet.

Kate

I have chosen to refer to you as Kinetic Kate as dynamic is one of the synonyms. There has been some speculation that Arnelle may have assisted Simpson by washing the blood stained/soaked sweatsuit. In regard to your post concerning the accusation that he was a neglectful father, do you see this as a viable option. I have tried not to bash any of the family members involved in this case, and, if I have said something that was misinterpreted, then I would like to apologize. With that said, I think that to engage in the speculation that she did assist Simpson cast aspersions on her character. I would like to know if you agree.

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794634]

***Somehow I'm not surprised.


Fbg- are those your toes???
peace :)

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=;8794634]

***.
[QUOTE=;8794835]


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[QUOTE=martin II;8795382]wiliam
i have learned from sassy's post as i find them to be to the point, true and classy. imo
martin II

I wish Classy had more down time as I do believe there are some who can learn a lot from her, myself included.



awwww --Thanks-- u guys are 2 sweet ((((((:tongue:))))))
--:beer: I will try to post more



(but I do have a dark side -ha ha watch out during a full moon :eek:kidding)

[deputydi]

<snip>In regard to some comments made regarding the fact that Nicole should have made her finances work and that a 400k settlement should have been sufficient I would kindly remind those individuals that it was OJ who did not want Nicole to work and so for seventeen years of her life that was spent with him she held no job and was a housewife. After such a period of time it is not easy to jet on out into the working world and secure gainful employment.

I have no way of knowing where Nicole was at with her life, but it appears that she may have been in the process of attempting to be able to stand on her own two feet.

Kate
I agree completely that being a good provider does not necessarily make him a good father.

Nicole was very young when she married OJ and was accustomed to a lifestyle most of us can only dream about. She had no formal education beyond High School and was trained to do nothing except look beautiful. She may have been on her way to being able to "stand on her own two feet", but it's not all that easy. The $400k settlement sounds like a fortune to us, but to someone living in Nicole's world, it's not.

[limakey]

Kate,

A husband's and father's role has changed very much over the past 30 years. I remember when it was unheard of for a father to even consider staying home from work with a sick child or take time off to take their child to a medical appointment---that is why woman were "meant" to be at home.

I totally agree with you that being a good provider does not equate being a good father. However, it really wasn't all that long ago where the man's responsibilty was only to bring home the bacon--it was left up to the woman to do everything else with it.

IMO, I think it is totally fair by moral standards to question any man or woman's parental skills if they continue to carry on a single lifestyle after they are already married. However, it appears to me that our society allows men like Donald Trump to say that they were lousy husbands but good fathers. Well how can you be a good father when you destroy their mother's love and trust?

While Simpson may not have been as hands on as his wives would have liked, it appears to me that when his children needed him, when they were in trouble, he was there for them. I personally believe that when a parent cheats, the parent cheats more on the children then on the spouse. It seems to me that the children pay so much for this and again, IMO, they pay for it for the rest of their lives. From experience, I have seen children of divorce who literally will go to such extremes not to truly trust or love because of what they went through as a child.

We are taught not to hold children responsible for the sins of their parents, yet how do you help the child who is terrified of a truth they firmly believe--they will make the same mistakes their parents did and hurt their children.

At least for my generation, it is still very much a man's world. However, it has changed and hopefully, it will continue to change. I'm really hoping that one day, men will get the same amount of time off when their wife has a child. I truly hope that one day neither men or women will get jobs that will not hold their parental status against them.

Please remember, I do agree with you that being a good provider, does not equal being a good parent.

[limakey]

There is no doubt that Nicole was search to find herself, however, how much different is she then many men and women who reach a certain age and are still asking themselves "what do I want to be when I grow up?". We are very lucky we live in a country and in a age where were are allowed to change professions, change companies, etc. How many people have gotten their college degrees when they were past middle age?

IMO, I believe Nicole was raised in a generation where girls were taught the most important title they could have was "Mrs." and the important job they could ever have is that of a mother.

While Nicole was a very talented woman, it appears, that even before she met Simpson, she was very unsure of what she wanted to do. I believe she had a keen interest in photography, she thought about being a model. I believe she also started her own business of interior decorating.

Another point when it comes to Nicole's career--who besides Nicole would benefit the most if she was able to start and maintain business that would leave her secure in regards to money? That would be OJ Simpson. We do not know what Simpson would have done if Nicole went to him for help on this issue. However, I can't see too many men who would turn this down if it lowed their support payments, IMO.

I agree that Simpson's IRS letter was not the most sensitive thing do however, it was the motivation that Nicole needed to take immediate action. I don't see how Nicole suffered from this letter---sure it pissed her off, but she turned her anger into a positive, IMO.

[William Anthony]

[QUOTE=;8794640]
[QUOTE=William Anthony;8795352][QUOTE=;8794835]


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awwww --Thanks-- u guys are 2 sweet ((((((:tongue:))))))
--:beer: I will try to post more



(but I do have a dark side -ha ha watch out during a full moon :eek:kidding)

Cuddly Classy Sassy,

I will take the bitter with the sweet, anytime, smile.

[jotun]

I believe she also started her own business of interior decorating.

Another point when it comes to Nicole's career-- We do not know what Simpson would have done if Nicole went to him for help on this issue.



All-

O.J. GAVE Nicole the condo he owned in San Franciso, so she would always have her own income, from the rent.That is what she sold, that caused her tax fraud.
They owned 2 or 3 condos in Laguna,one may have been given to Nicole.

We do know!
Nicole did have her own decorating business.
Encouraged by O.J.
In fact he HIRED her to decorate Rockingham.

Nicole received $11,000 a month in child support from O.J.

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Nicole received $11,000 a month in child support from O.J.



Do you have a link or source for this info??? Gee...."maby" he killed her cause he was tired of paying this amount.

[sassylassy]

Do you have a link or source for this info??? Gee...."maby" he killed her cause he was tired of paying this amount.

it was part of the divorce settlement-

when they divorced, Nicole kept the couple's $550,000 San Francisco condo & received a lump-sum payment of $433,750, Nicole also got $10,000
a month child support-

-----http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/victims/index.html

[2L8 4A D8]

it was part of the divorce settlement-

when they divorced, Nicole kept the couple's $550,000 San Francisco condo & received a lump-sum payment of $433,750, Nicole also got $10,000
a month child support-

-----http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/victims/index.html

Huh? You can't open the link because you typed it in. Thus, it is useless. Try again!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

it was part of the divorce settlement-

when they divorced, Nicole kept the couple's $550,000 San Francisco condo & received a lump-sum payment of $433,750, Nicole also got $10,000
a month child support-

-----http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/victims/index.html

jotun

So it looks like nicole got more than i thought. cash and property brings it to almost $1,000,000.00 plus $10,000.00 per month child support.

That is one hugh start in life.

martin II

[sassylassy]

jotun

So it looks like nicole got more than i thought. cash and property brings it to almost $1,000,000.00 plus $10,000.00 per month child support.


martin II


and keep in mind this was over 12 yrs ago- things were alot cheaper then-
so I would agree-this was a generous settlement!

[weezer]

and keep in mind this was over 12 yrs ago- things were alot cheaper then-
so I would agree-this was a generous settlement!

went to your link and saw reference to the settlement and child support but nothing on the condo. Do you have a link to that?

what do you think orenthal was worth at the time of the divorce?

[martin II]

So the day Nicole got her divoice settlement she was a few thousand dollars short of being a MILLION DOLLAR WOMAN with a $10,000 monthly child support payment for the kids. All from OJ.

That sounds fair to me.

Martin II

[sassylassy]

went to your link and saw reference to the settlement and child support but nothing on the condo. Do you have a link to that?

what do you think orenthal was worth at the time of the divorce?


I dont have a link to the condo details- sorry. (u may find the details in fayes book) Nicole sold the condo in San Fan and bought the Bundy condo w the money-

thats where the whole IRS letter comes in & the captial gain taxes-

and I have no idea how much ojs was worth at the time- I would guess a couple million????

[martin II]

went to your link and saw reference to the settlement and child support but nothing on the condo. Do you have a link to that?

what do you think orenthal was worth at the time of the divorce?

Nicole got the condo. I do remember reading someplace that she sold it and baught one of the condos. GG or Bundy.

If you did not know that is on you. Do a little research on your own for a change. imo
martin II

[sassylassy]

Nicole got the condo. I do remember reading someplace that she sold it and baught one of the condos. GG or Bundy.

martin II

OJS Signed the lease for Nicole to rent the Grenta Green home- but Nicole only rented that property. :read:

[weezer]

*Snipped*If you did not know that is on you. Do a little research on your own for a change. imo

This is tooooo funny coming from you! IMO:lol:

[martin II]

OJS Signed the lease for Nicole to rent the Grenta Green home- but Nicole only rented that property. :read:

thanks sassy

So oj was responsible for the rent if he signed the lease.He made sure she had a place to stay. So when he went to GG and kicked in the french door, he was kicking in the door to his apartment?


martin II

[martin II]

*Snipped*

This is tooooo funny coming from you! IMO:lol:

is that your big toe?

martin II

[weezer]

is that your big toe?

martin II

I saw on the other thread where you referred to socaldiva as a "strawberry." what exactly does that mean? what is a 'strawberry'?

[martin II]

I saw on the other thread where you referred to socaldiva as a "strawberry." what exactly does that mean? what is a 'strawberry'?

weezer

A strawberry is a small piece of fruit with small green leaves on top. Used in making strawberry shortcake or eaten raw.very sweet to the taste for most but not loved by all.


where did you see a post by me where i referred to diva as anything?
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*where did you see a post by me where i referred to diva as anything?
martin II

#2257 Today, 02:10 PM
martin II
Super Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,506

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Anthony
Dear Diva,

I can only imagine that he had tolerated far too too too much prior to that .

william
when i put a strawberry on ignore i just ignore their post.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
A strawberry is a small piece of fruit with small green leaves on top. Used in making strawberry shortcake or eaten raw.very sweet to the taste for most but not loved by all.


You expect us to believe this is what you meant when you referred to me this way??? We know better & so do you. Consider yourself reported.

[jotun]

thanks sassy

So oj was responsible for the rent if he signed the lease.He made sure she had a place to stay. So when he went to GG and kicked in the french door, he was kicking in the door to his apartment?


martin II

Sassy-Martin-All

O.J. GAVE Nicole the San Fran condo BEFORE the divorce.They were NOT even married at the time. 79? 80?
F.Lee pointed all this out in his examination of Dutten. Was masterful.
Didn't know O.J. signed the lease for Nicole on GG. Heard she complained about Kato's rent when he moved to Rockingham.So, O.J.was paying her, his rent.

Nicole had S.F.condo rent,Kato rent,maybe Laguna condo rent,settlement money, the million? she made for decorating Rockingham after the wedding and child support. WOW...

jotun

[sassylassy]

Sassy-Martin-All

Didn't know O.J. signed the lease for Nicole on GG. Heard she complained about Kato's rent when he moved to Rockingham.So, O.J.was paying her, his rent.

jotun

Hi Jotun :)

Nicoles friend Robin Greer was a part time real estate agent & found GG for
Nicole and the kids & Robin got OJS to sign the lease.

so on that note- I am not sure if OJS was paying the rent as well- i guess he was in the long run.

jmo imo

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .O.J. GAVE Nicole the San Fran condo BEFORE the divorce.They were NOT even married at the time. 79? 80?

I found this in orenthal's civil testimony and thought some of you would be interested:

"Now, just to explain this IRS issue a bit, when you and Nicole got married, as part of the prenuptial agreement, you gave Nicole owned title to a rental unit in San Francisco, correct?

A. Correct.

Q. As part of the divorce in 1992, Nicole got to keep that rental unit; it was in her name. She got to keep it?

A. You know, seven years previous, it was hers when I gave it to her.

Q. And she kept it at the time, as well?

A. Yes.

Q. She didn't give it back, in other words?

A. Correct.

Q. Okay.

And when Nicole moved out of Rockingham, she rented a condo on Gretna Green, right?

A. Yes.

Q. And then at the end of 1993, coming into January of 1994, Nicole purchased her own condominium at at 875 South Bundy?

A. Correct.

Q. And she sold the unit in San Francisco, the rental unit in San Francisco, to help pay for the condo at Bundy, right?

A. Essentially, yes.

Q. And she would have had to pay capital gains tax on the unit in San Francisco, unless it was rolled over into another rental unit on Bundy, correct?

A. Yeah. I think she had a problem with that, yes."

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . .Heard she complained about Kato's rent when he moved to Rockingham.So, O.J.was paying her, his rent.

orenthal was upset that kato lived at Nicole's and I guess he was willing to have kato live at the rockingham address to make sure no man was around Nicole. I've never heard that he paid the rent difference.

IIRC, kato moving to rockingham cost him his friendship with Nicole because she felt he was a traitor.

IMO

[sassylassy]

is that your big toe?

martin II


:beer: ha ha I asked the same thing :beer:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I've never heard that he paid the rent difference.


I never heard anything about that either. IIRC Kato paid very little at Bundy, if anything. I thought he basically lived there for free being that he babysat.

[weezer]

I never heard anything about that either. IIRC Kato paid very little at Bundy, if anything. I thought he basically lived there for free being that he babysat.

Oh, now I remember and you're right. He was helping with the kids for his rent. orenthal didn't like a guy living there so he offered kato free rent at his place. Nicole must have really felt that kato sold her out. IMO

[martin II]

Sassy-Martin-All

O.J. GAVE Nicole the San Fran condo BEFORE the divorce.They were NOT even married at the time. 79? 80?
F.Lee pointed all this out in his examination of Dutten. Was masterful.
Didn't know O.J. signed the lease for Nicole on GG. Heard she complained about Kato's rent when he moved to Rockingham.So, O.J.was paying her, his rent.

Nicole had S.F.condo rent,Kato rent,maybe Laguna condo rent,settlement money, the million? she made for decorating Rockingham after the wedding and child support. WOW...

jotun


jotun

And some poster stated that i did not have a idea as to what it cost to raise two kids.

Nicole was a millionair
martin II

[weezer]

jotun

And some poster stated that i did not have a idea as to what it cost to raise two kids.

Nicole was a millionair
martin II

Guess 17 years of torment and abuse should be worth something but unfortunately, Nicole wasn't a millionaire.

she may have learned from orenthal's first divorce when he kept the house and everything else. Paid $1,500 a month in child support and then poor Marguerite had to take him to court to get the $26,000 he hadn't paid in the settlement. Looks like he's always been a standup guy. LOL

IMO

[martin II]

Guess 17 years of torment and abuse should be worth something but unfortunately, Nicole wasn't a millionaire.

she may have learned from orenthal's first divorce when he kept the house and everything else. Paid $1,500 a month in child support and then poor Marguerite had to take him to court to get the $26,000 he hadn't paid in the settlement. Looks like he's always been a standup guy. LOL

IMO

Add it up and tell me what you get
martinII

[martin II]

*Snipped*

orenthal was upset that kato lived at Nicole's and I guess he was willing to have kato live at the rockingham address to make sure no man was around Nicole. I've never heard that he paid the rent difference.

IIRC, kato moving to rockingham cost him his friendship with Nicole because she felt he was a traitor.

IMO

It seems that nicole was surprised and angry that some friends maintained their friendship with oj after the divoice.
martin II

[weezer]

Add it up and tell me what you get
martinII

Add what up? That's why I asked if anyone had a link to the divorce settlement.

[weezer]

It seems that nicole was surprised and angry that some friends maintained their friendship with oj after the divoice.
martin II

I'm guessing she was more disappointed in the 'friends' and 'angry' with orenthal for his campaigning to make sure that is what happened. IMO

[martin II]

*Snipped*

orenthal was upset that kato lived at Nicole's and I guess he was willing to have kato live at the rockingham address to make sure no man was around Nicole. I've never heard that he paid the rent difference.

IIRC, kato moving to rockingham cost him his friendship with Nicole because she felt he was a traitor.

IMO

Weezer

It seems that nicole had her reasons for Kato staying at her condo. Mainly to have a free baby sitter. Oj had his reasons to think it was not a good idea for nicole to have a man living in her condo.Both had good reasons.

Kato made his decision.
martin II

[martin II]

I'm guessing she was more disappointed in the 'friends' and 'angry' with orenthal for his campaigning to make sure that is what happened. IMO

Weezer
can you give me some testimony to prove that oj was campaigning to steal nicoles friends. Because some decided to continue their friendship with oj does not mean that he was forcing people to take sides against Nicole
imo
martin II

[martin II]

Add what up? That's why I asked if anyone had a link to the divorce settlement.

weezer

We know she got about $400,000 cash settlement. WE know she got the San Francisco condo valued at about $550,000 . We know she got the $10,000 month settlement. Now the quesiton is did she also get the luguna condo.
I don;t know what OJ and MA paid her for the interior decorating work but
that would contribute to what cash she had available to her.


If oj signed the lease for the GG rental, this means that Nicoles credit was not good enough and oj took responsibility for the monthly rent.

Although the San francisco condo was not cash, it still would contribute $550,000 to her balance sheet if the stated retail value was true.
At any rate, I think that what she received was a very generous settlement and was sufficent to get her started in her new life.

martin II

[martin II]

Weezer
Here is some information that may help all to understand the Kato liviging
situation. Nicole /OJ

Martin II

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/pop.htm

In December, 1993 Nicole sold the Gretna Green property and bought the Bundy condo. She offered to let Kato stay in the maid's room which would be otherwise unused, but O.J. said he thought that having a man in Nicole's place would be unseemly (they were in a nominal state of reconciliation at the time) and Simpson offered Kato guest quarters at his Rockingham estate, rent free. Since Kato had been paying Nicole $400 a month on Gretna Green, babysitting and running errands, O.J.'s offer was too good to pass up. Kato moved to Rockingham and Nicole occupied the Bundy place with the children. Some have said that Nicole was angry with Kato over the arrangement and characterized his decision as "selling out" to O.J. Although Kato does not consider that his action was more than a peace-making decision, he did feel that Nicole was cooler toward him in the last six months than she had been before -- in spite of his trying to retain the earlier friendship. (Kato's decision might also have been influenced by the fact that the Bundy maid's quarters were like a dark dungeon, looking out on a blank wall, while the Rockingham guest house was light, airy, and facing a virtual park.)

[socaldiva]

*snip*

It seems that nicole had her reasons for Kato staying at her condo. Mainly to have a free baby sitter.

A "free babysitter"? I don't think so. The babysitting offset his rental amount. I believe this is referred to as bartering.

[Kate Sachel]

**snipped**

I agree that Simpson's IRS letter was not the most sensitive thing do however, it was the motivation that Nicole needed to take immediate action. I don't see how Nicole suffered from this letter---sure it pissed her off, but she turned her anger into a positive, IMO.

You don't see how she suffered from the letter? Do you think that the only it did was to piss her off? You don't think that perhaps it made her fearful that she and her children would not have a home? You don't think that perhaps it made her feel stressed and panicked? You don't think that perhaps she didn't want to uproot her children once again?

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

weezer

We know she got about $400,000 cash settlement. WE know she got the San Francisco condo valued at about $550,000 . We know she got the $10,000 month settlement. Now the quesiton is did she also get the luguna condo.
I don;t know what OJ and MA paid her for the interior decorating work but
that would contribute to what cash she had available to her.


If oj signed the lease for the GG rental, this means that Nicoles credit was not good enough and oj took responsibility for the monthly rent.

Although the San francisco condo was not cash, it still would contribute $550,000 to her balance sheet if the stated retail value was true.
At any rate, I think that what she received was a very generous settlement and was sufficent to get her started in her new life.

martin II


I'd like to know where the information came from that OJ signed the lease for the Gretna Green home. I have researched, and all I can find are statements that Nicole was renting the home, but nothing in regard to who signed the lease.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

From all that I can find in reading through OJ's various depositions it appears that he did not sign the lease for Gretna Green, nor paid the rent.

When he was asked specifically about her residence on Gretna Green, his responses are that "Nicole leased a place on Gretna Green" ... "Nicole's lease was up on Gretna Green and she did not want to sign another rental agreement and wanted to buy a home instead ..."

If those who are indicating that OJ signed the lease on residence can let me know where you came upon that information I would appreciate it.

Kate

[sassylassy]

From all that I can find in reading through OJ's various depositions it appears that he did not sign the lease for Gretna Green, nor paid the rent.

When he was asked specifically about her residence on Gretna Green, his responses are that "Nicole leased a place on Gretna Green" ... "Nicole's lease was up on Gretna Green and she did not want to sign another rental agreement and wanted to buy a home instead ..."

If those who are indicating that OJ signed the lease on residence can let me know where you came upon that information I would appreciate it.

Kate

Hi Kate

I posted that OJS signed the lease- this info came from Robin Greer's book
( u will never make love in this town again):read:

as far as the rents goes-i would only guess --if Nicole wasnt working & OJS was paying support-in the end he would be paying the rent? (thats just a guess not a fact):read:

IMO JMO

[martin II]

Hi Kate

I posted that OJS signed the lease- this info came from Robin Greer's book
( u will never make love in this town again):read:

as far as the rents goes-i would only guess --if Nicole wasnt working & OJS was paying support-in the end he would be paying the rent? (thats just a guess not a fact):read:

IMO JMO

sasy
a very reasonable guess.

So if oj signed the lease and paid the rent then he kicked in the french doors at HIS rental apartment. imo jmo

martin II

[martin II]

All

Everytime Nicole Simpson uprooted or moved her children it was as the result of Nicole Simpson's DECISIONS. Oj's children would have always had a home as long as rockingham was there. It was their original home anyway and based on how well oj has taken care of his children since he moved to Florida there is no reason to think he would not have done the same then.

Any pain Nicole felt because oj refused to support her IRS SCAM was the result of HER decisions.She made the moves that caused herself the capital gains tax problem not OJ.
imo jmo
martin II

[weezer]

Nicole moved her children twice: once to get away from her abuser and then into a home she bought for her and her children.

The pain Nicole felt came at the end of orenthal's arms and legs -- including from the knife he held when he butchered her. IMO

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Nicole moved her children twice: once to get away from her abuser and then into a home she bought for her and her children.


Plus, if we tack on the 3 times the children had to change homes after the murders, we have a total of 5 times they were moved because of his actions. Too bad he wasn't man enough to not cheat on her, beat her or murder her. He is a coward & his children had to pay for it & it will haunt them their entire lives. imo

[martin II]

Nicole moved her children twice: once to get away from her abuser and then into a home she bought for her and her children.

The pain Nicole felt came at the end of orenthal's arms and legs -- including from the knife he held when he butchered her. IMO

if i remember correctly she uprooted them from rockingham to GG and shortly after to Bundy and had plans to move them our of town. All her decision.
I believe she really wanted to move back to rockingham but oj said NO.
imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

*snip*
So if oj signed the lease and paid the rent then he kicked in the french doors at HIS rental apartment. imo jmo

martin II

Hi Martin,

No, I don't believe that is the case. Since OJ stated:

When he was asked specifically about her residence on Gretna Green, his responses are that "Nicole leased a place on Gretna Green" ... "Nicole's lease was up on Gretna Green and she did not want to sign another rental agreement and wanted to buy a home instead ..."
(copied from Kate's post)

Then OJ himself believed that house to be NICOLE'S deal. So OJ knew he was kicking in the door of NICOLE'S home.

[tazzybaby]

if i remember correctly she uprooted them from rockingham to GG and shortly after to Bundy and had plans to move them our of town. All her decision.
I believe she really wanted to move back to rockingham but oj said NO.
imo
martin II

The moves were all within the same community. But, if she didn't even have a place to go then why would OJ stoop so low as to threaten her with turning her in to the IRS? What a great father. He didn't care where they would go. He just wanted to "get back at" Nicole. Why didn't he just talk to her about it? Why didn't he just send an informal letter? Why go through an attorney to scare her? Because he was mad. She only used his address for six months. And, he let her in the first place.

Nicole decided that it was completely over between him and her. So, for her to want to move back into Rockingham was far from the truth. When she first moved to Bundy she thought that eventually she would move back into Rockingham. But, then she found out that OJ hadn't changed at all.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

No, I don't believe that is the case. Since OJ stated:

When he was asked specifically about her residence on Gretna Green, his responses are that "Nicole leased a place on Gretna Green" ... "Nicole's lease was up on Gretna Green and she did not want to sign another rental agreement and wanted to buy a home instead ..."
(copied from Kate's post)

Then OJ himself believed that house to be NICOLE'S deal. So OJ knew he was kicking in the door of NICOLE'S home.


tazzy hi

Robin Greer was a close friend of Nicoles. I think she named her daughter after robins stage name Sydne (not sure)

Sassy Lassy has informed us that Robin Greer was a part time real estate agent and that she got the GG place for Nicole and convienced oj to sign the lease for Nicole. (i assume nicole had no credit since she did not work and someone had to take responsibility for the lease payments)

The fact that oj referred to GG as Nicoles place does not give us the details of the lease. The title of Robins book was given by Sassy and i believe that is where you may find the details of who signed the lease.:read:
Since oj was paying about $10,000 support, Where do you believe the rent payments were comming from?
jmo
martin II

[martin II]

TAZZY HI

If Nicole had continued to rent out the SF condo that OJ gave her, i do not believe she would have had a capital gains tax problem. I think this is what caused the problem. If true then this problem was created by Nicole not OJ.

I also believe that oj was finished with Nicole and since they both had made
their decisions, OJ , rightly decided that she should be on her own and not continue to seek his help in her IRS sceme. imo

I do not believe oj would have ever allowed his children to not have a place to live as he has proven, since he was accused, that he is a devoted father to his children jmo
imo
martinII

[martin II]

The moves were all within the same community. But, if she didn't even have a place to go then why would OJ stoop so low as to threaten her with turning her in to the IRS? What a great father. He didn't care where they would go. He just wanted to "get back at" Nicole. Why didn't he just talk to her about it? Why didn't he just send an informal letter? Why go through an attorney to scare her? Because he was mad. She only used his address for six months. And, he let her in the first place.

Nicole decided that it was completely over between him and her. So, for her to want to move back into Rockingham was far from the truth. When she first moved to Bundy she thought that eventually she would move back into Rockingham. But, then she found out that OJ hadn't changed at all.

tazzy hi

If oj was not finished with nicole what was he doing with Paula in his house.
Nicole knew he had another mate. everone (their friends)knew it imo
martin II
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

Robin Greer was a close friend of Nicoles. I think she named her daughter after robins stage name Sydne (not sure)

Sassy Lassy has informed us that Robin Greer was a part time real estate agent and that she got the GG place for Nicole and convienced oj to sign the lease for Nicole. (i assume nicole had no credit since she did not work and someone had to take responsibility for the lease payments)

The fact that oj referred to GG as Nicoles place does not give us the details of the lease. The title of Robins book was given by Sassy and i believe that is where you may find the details of who signed the lease.:read:
Since oj was paying about $10,000 support, Where do you believe the rent payments were comming from?
jmo
martin II


Hi Martin,

OJ never said it. And, you are going to believe a call girl before OJ? To be honest....it doesn't really matter who signed the lease. OJ believed that to be NICOLE'S residence. He didn't say his and Nicole's. He said it was Nicole's.

So, do you believe that since OJ paid Nicole child support that anything that she had was his? That he has the right to break down the door and force his way in some where that he is not wanted? No. She was awarded that money by a court. So, once it was sent to her it was no longer OJ's money. So, no, he wasn't paying for the rent house.

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI

If Nicole had continued to rent out the SF condo that OJ gave her, i do not believe she would have had a capital gains tax problem. I think this is what caused the problem. If true then this problem was created by Nicole not OJ.

I also believe that oj was finished with Nicole and since they both had made
their decisions, OJ , rightly decided that she should be on her own and not continue to seek his help in her IRS sceme. imo

I do not believe oj would have ever allowed his children to not have a place to live as he has proven, since he was accused, that he is a devoted father to his children jmo
imo
martinII


Nicole didn't want to sign another lease because her and OJ were trying to reconcile and she thought they would be back together. She was trying to avoid signing a contract in anticipation that her and OJ would be living together at Rockingham within a few months. OJ knew this also. That's why he allowed her to do it. So, it was OJ's fault that it happened in the first place. He allowed her to. They both had the same thing in mind. OJ was just being mean when he threatened her legally.

She told him it was over and she didn't want to move back to Rockingham when it was over. He was pissed so he sent the letter. That is not an indication that he was "finished" with Nicole. He was hurt and pissed. So he wanted to "hurt" her.

OJ is a financially responsible parent. Not a devoted parent. There has been much talk of him not being there for his kids. Just because a man pays for his children or provides them with a home does not mean he is a devoted parent. It is very sad that his children lost the one parent who was always there for them emotionally and physically.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

If oj was not finished with nicole what was he doing with Paula in his house.
Nicole knew he had another mate. everone (their friends)knew it imo
martin II
martin II


Well, he was a womanizer. And, even though Nicole thought he had changed his ways......he hadn't.

[martin II]

Well, he was a womanizer. And, even though Nicole thought he had changed his ways......he hadn't.

They were not togeather when the irs thing came up. Oj could have had as many women as pleased him. we do know according to Faye, Nicole had a few also. so what if the problem?
martin II

[martin II]

Nicole didn't want to sign another lease because her and OJ were trying to reconcile and she thought they would be back together. She was trying to avoid signing a contract in anticipation that her and OJ would be living together at Rockingham within a few months. OJ knew this also. That's why he allowed her to do it. So, it was OJ's fault that it happened in the first place. He allowed her to. They both had the same thing in mind. OJ was just being mean when he threatened her legally.

She told him it was over and she didn't want to move back to Rockingham when it was over. He was pissed so he sent the letter. That is not an indication that he was "finished" with Nicole. He was hurt and pissed. So he wanted to "hurt" her.

OJ is a financially responsible parent. Not a devoted parent. There has been much talk of him not being there for his kids. Just because a man pays for his children or provides them with a home does not mean he is a devoted parent. It is very sad that his children lost the one parent who was always there for them emotionally and physically.

Tazzy hi
oj gave nicole a $550,000 condo in SF and put it in her name. At some time later she decided to sell the condo as opposed to continuing to collect rent.
This imo is what caused her the irs problem. Oj did not force her to sell the SF condo. She did this on her own and caused this capital gains problem for herself.

Then after she said she was finished with oj. maby told him to take a hike, she then comes back and ask him to be involved in her IRS scam so she could make a illegal financial gain playing him and using the kids as a wedge.

He did not want to be exposed in this manner and told her to get lost.

martin II

[martin II]

Nicole didn't want to sign another lease because her and OJ were trying to reconcile and she thought they would be back together. She was trying to avoid signing a contract in anticipation that her and OJ would be living together at Rockingham within a few months. OJ knew this also. That's why he allowed her to do it. So, it was OJ's fault that it happened in the first place. He allowed her to. They both had the same thing in mind. OJ was just being mean when he threatened her legally.

She told him it was over and she didn't want to move back to Rockingham when it was over. He was pissed so he sent the letter. That is not an indication that he was "finished" with Nicole. He was hurt and pissed. So he wanted to "hurt" her.

OJ is a financially responsible parent. Not a devoted parent. There has been much talk of him not being there for his kids. Just because a man pays for his children or provides them with a home does not mean he is a devoted parent. It is very sad that his children lost the one parent who was always there for them emotionally and physically.


tazzy hi
Oj took his kids from Brentwood and moved to Florida, He has raised them to their current age one in collage and one about to go to collage. Obviously he is a good parent as he has proved before and in the last 10 12 years. These kids do seem to be doing quite well and no effort to paint another story is useless and unfair.

He faught for his kids in court against the browns, won and made a new home for them far away from the browns and denise. You cannot claim that he is not a good parent because you tihnk he killed their mother especially since he was acquitted of the crime he was charged with.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Nicole didn't want to sign another lease because her and OJ were trying to reconcile and she thought they would be back together. She was trying to avoid signing a contract in anticipation that her and OJ would be living together at Rockingham within a few months. OJ knew this also. That's why he allowed her to do it. So, it was OJ's fault that it happened in the first place. He allowed her to. They both had the same thing in mind. OJ was just being mean when he threatened her legally.

She told him it was over and she didn't want to move back to Rockingham when it was over. He was pissed so he sent the letter. That is not an indication that he was "finished" with Nicole. He was hurt and pissed. So he wanted to "hurt" her.

OJ is a financially responsible parent. Not a devoted parent. There has been much talk of him not being there for his kids. Just because a man pays for his children or provides them with a home does not mean he is a devoted parent. It is very sad that his children lost the one parent who was always there for them emotionally and physically.

tazzy hi
according to Robin she never signed ANY lease for GG. She had no credit as she had not worked for 17 years.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

They were not togeather when the irs thing came up. Oj could have had as many women as pleased him. we do know according to Faye, Nicole had a few also. so what if the problem?
martin II



The problem is that he was seeing Paula while Nicole and OJ were trying to reconcile. That's how she knew he hadn't changed.

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy hi
oj gave nicole a $550,000 condo in SF and put it in her name. At some time later she decided to sell the condo as opposed to continuing to collect rent.
This imo is what caused her the irs problem. Oj did not force her to sell the SF condo. She did this on her own and caused this capital gains problem for herself.

Then after she said she was finished with oj. maby told him to take a hike, she then comes back and ask him to be involved in her IRS scam so she could make a illegal financial gain playing him and using the kids as a wedge.

He did not want to be exposed in this manner and told her to get lost.

martin II

Hi Martin,

You are twisting the facts. She had the right to sell the SF condo. I've never seen her financial records so I'm not sure why she did that. Nor are you. The move to Bundy was temporary. She didn't ask him to be involved in a scam...lol She was waiting to see if they got back together. She didn't want to sign another lease so that she could move back to Rockingham with OJ when they finalized getting back together. It had nothing to do with making any type of illegal financial gain and she did not use the kids as a wedge. That's way off base. She was the protector of the kids. That's why she was so upset at him for threatening legal action.

Do you know if OJ has paid his fines for his illegal theft of satellite TV?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
Oj took his kids from Brentwood and moved to Florida, He has raised them to their current age one in collage and one about to go to collage. Obviously he is a good parent as he has proved before and in the last 10 12 years. These kids do seem to be doing quite well and no effort to paint another story is useless and unfair.

He faught for his kids in court against the browns, won and made a new home for them far away from the browns and denise. You cannot claim that he is not a good parent because you tihnk he killed their mother especially since he was acquitted of the crime he was charged with.imo
martin II


I completely disagree with you. If OJ was a good parent he wouldn't joke about the murder of their mother. He wouldn't be a part of making blood money off of the sale of a book with details of how their father "would have" killed their mother. His daughter wouldn't have called 911 because he doesn't love her and feels like she's being abused.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
according to Robin she never signed ANY lease for GG. She had no credit as she had not worked for 17 years.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Did you read this book?

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Did you read this book?

tazzy hi

No

But i believe sassy lassy did. at least she posted on the book and gave the title.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

No

But i believe sassy lassy did. at least she posted on the book and gave the title.

martin II

Well, I was looking for the book and it was not what I thought. I would just like to know the actual text.

Sassy, if you're reading....can you either PM me or post the part that we're referring to.

Thanks!

[sassylassy]

Well, I was looking for the book and it was not what I thought. I would just like to know the actual text.

Sassy, if you're reading....can you either PM me or post the part that we're referring to.

Thanks!

Hi Taz

yes I have the book. I will just post a snip as there is a few pgs on the topic:

Robin Greer-pg 18:

I had gotten into real estate to supplement my earnings from my acting career. Nicole wanted me to help her find a place when she left OJ.

I found a nice house on Gretna Green, she thought it was perfect. OJ didnt want her to have the house & balked at signing the lease.

I marched over to Rockingham & told him, "Nicole is entitled to a domain for your children, she should be staying here, she is not asking for much" OJ signed the lease but from then on he really hated me.

( Robin goes on to say how her & Nicole became closer after that):read:

[martin II]

Hi Taz

yes I have the book. I will just post a snip as there is a few pgs on the topic:

Robin Greer-pg 18:

I had gotten into real estate to supplement my earnings from my acting career. Nicole wanted me to help her find a place when she left OJ.

I found a nice house on Gretna Green, she thought it was perfect. OJ didnt want her to have the house & balked at signing the lease.

I marched over to Rockingham & told him, "Nicole is entitled to a domain for your children, she should be staying here, she is not asking for much" OJ signed the lease but from then on he really hated me.

( Robin goes on to say how her & Nicole became closer after that):read:


Sassy
Thankd for that info.

martin II

[limakey]

Sassy,

Does Robin say how she fell into her career as a call girl?

[tazzybaby]

Hi Taz

yes I have the book. I will just post a snip as there is a few pgs on the topic:

Robin Greer-pg 18:

I had gotten into real estate to supplement my earnings from my acting career. Nicole wanted me to help her find a place when she left OJ.

I found a nice house on Gretna Green, she thought it was perfect. OJ didnt want her to have the house & balked at signing the lease.

I marched over to Rockingham & told him, "Nicole is entitled to a domain for your children, she should be staying here, she is not asking for much" OJ signed the lease but from then on he really hated me.

( Robin goes on to say how her & Nicole became closer after that):read:

Thanks Sassy!

Is there a whole chapter about Nicole and OJ? Or just a mention? I wonder if he co-signed? And, since he signed the lease I wonder if Nicole didn't have ANYTHING in her name? Maybe it was because she didn't have an income besides child support? But, with assets as she had I would assume that wouldn't be necessary.

Does the book give any reason why he signed?

[martin II]

Sassy,

Does Robin say how she fell into her career as a call girl?

i am wondering how oj felt about Nicole being so close to Robin a call girl working for HF.
MARTINii

[martin II]

Thanks Sassy!

Is there a whole chapter about Nicole and OJ? Or just a mention? I wonder if he co-signed? And, since he signed the lease I wonder if Nicole didn't have ANYTHING in her name? Maybe it was because she didn't have an income besides child support? But, with assets as she had I would assume that wouldn't be necessary.

Does the book give any reason why he signed?

LIMAKEY

You are correct

Nicoles balance sheet would have shown $400,000 plus $10,000
Why didn't RGS realestatre company accept that for the apartment.
martinII

[martin II]

if oj signed the lease and nicole had decided to move from GG for whatever reason before the lease was up, then oj would be responsible for the lease payments
martinII

[tazzybaby]

i am wondering how oj felt about Nicole being so close to Robin a call girl working for HF.
MARTINii

Hi Martin,

OJ had known Robin a lot longer than Nicole had. She was actually married to a good friend of his. And, Robin and his sister were good friends. So, I guess he didn't mind too much. I guess they met through OJ.

[tazzybaby]

if oj signed the lease and nicole had decided to move from GG for whatever reason before the lease was up, then oj would be responsible for the lease payments
martinII

Hi Martin,

If he co-signed the lease....then yes. So, I can see why she wouldn't want to sign another lease in case she moved back to Rockingham. I am sure OJ also thought that was a good idea. So, it was actually beneficial to him if she moved to the Bundy Condo and used his address until they decided what they would do. She didn't want to hurt OJ's credit? But, he sure didn't have a problem threatening her with legal action. He was just mad and trying to hurt her.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

If he co-signed the lease....then yes. So, I can see why she wouldn't want to sign another lease in case she moved back to Rockingham. I am sure OJ also thought that was a good idea. So, it was actually beneficial to him if she moved to the Bundy Condo and used his address until they decided what they would do. She didn't want to hurt OJ's credit? But, he sure didn't have a problem threatening her with legal action. He was just mad and trying to hurt her.

Tazzy

I have not read where oj co-signed any leasE. You have been informed that oj did SIGN the lease.

If oj signed the lease as Robin says he did. Then if nicole moved from GG
before the lease was up, oj would be responsible for the balance of the lease
regardless of where she moved to.

Obviously oj did not want to be involved with Nicoles apartment lease as he refused to sign it until Robin made her plea on behalf of nicole.

OJ DID NOT threaten Nicole with legal action. He sent nicole a notice NOT to use his address for any purpose. That is not a threat.

It was not beneficial to Oj if nicole moved to bundy if she moved before the lease was up or paid for by her.

Nicole had $400,000 cash and $10,000 monthly support payments AND a
$500,000 condo in SF, can you suggest why she had to come to oj to rent a house ?
martin II

Do you have

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

OJ had known Robin a lot longer than Nicole had. She was actually married to a good friend of his. And, Robin and his sister were good friends. So, I guess he didn't mind too much. I guess they met through OJ.

Tazzy hi


I think oj would feel one way if he knew a prostitute (robin) and then another when he was told about nicole having this party for Robin and KZ with a gang of prostitutes at her house where drugs was present. He let nicole know this when he went to the house and she called 911.

tazzy
Actually

as i understand it
Oj went to GG had some few words with nicole and left
Nicole called him at his house and said she wanted to explain and askef him to come back ot he agreed to go back.
He went back to GG and the conversation got out of control, nicole became afraid and called 911.
Oj could be heard on the tape taking about the party she gave for Robin

Is that your understanding of the events??
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

OJ had known Robin a lot longer than Nicole had. She was actually married to a good friend of his. And, Robin and his sister were good friends. So, I guess he didn't mind too much. I guess they met through OJ.

tazzy

If you have a link to what you claim above, please give it to me.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy

If you have a link to what you claim above, please give it to me.

martin II

Yes, this can be found in OJ's testimony in the civil trial. You can do a search for Robin Greer's name.


http://walraven.org/simpson/simpson.html

[martin II]

Yes, this can be found in OJ's testimony in the civil trial. You can do a search for Robin Greer's name.


http://walraven.org/simpson/simpson.html

tazzy

oj testified in the civil trial on 8-9 different days.
can you give me the date he discussed what you say about Robin or can you cut and paste it here??
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Hi Martin,

OJ had known Robin a lot longer than Nicole had. She was actually married to a good friend of his. And, Robin and his sister were good friends. So, I guess he didn't mind too much. I guess they met through OJ.


Yes, that is correct. Robin mentioned such in the book "Raging Heart" as well as her interview in the "Los Angeles Times" dated November 8, 1994.

I'm getting a vibe here from some that Nicole should have been standing on her own two feet and took advantage of OJ, while OJ should be held up as this shining example of generosity. What people forget is that, regardless of Nicole, those children had the right to continue the same lifestyle that they were accustomed to during their parents' marriage and I certainly don't recall any mention of OJ offering to take over custody.

Her life is examined and picked apart fault by fault by individuals here who refuse to give even an inch regarding OJ's own personal lifestyle. It is apparently convenient to overlook the fact that he is a habitual adulterer, had alleged mafia connections, used cocaine freqently in the seventies as testifed to by numerous individuals including Mike Millitello and Jim Brown, stalked his wife, neglected his children, committed perjury, and the list goes on.

There's talk that he had every right to kick the door in becase he signed the lease. That's like saying the property owner of my apartment has a right to get angry with me and kick in the door of my rental unit just because he owns the property.

There is further talk that Nicole threw a party for hookers and drug dealers when in fact it apparently was an engagement party for a man and his fiance, who happened to be a prostitute. This is not the same thing as throwing a party for hookers and drug dealers.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy

I have not read where oj co-signed any leasE. You have been informed that oj did SIGN the lease.

If oj signed the lease as Robin says he did. Then if nicole moved from GG
before the lease was up, oj would be responsible for the balance of the lease
regardless of where she moved to.

Obviously oj did not want to be involved with Nicoles apartment lease as he refused to sign it until Robin made her plea on behalf of nicole.

OJ DID NOT threaten Nicole with legal action. He sent nicole a notice NOT to use his address for any purpose. That is not a threat.

It was not beneficial to Oj if nicole moved to bundy if she moved before the lease was up or paid for by her.

Nicole had $400,000 cash and $10,000 monthly support payments AND a
$500,000 condo in SF, can you suggest why she had to come to oj to rent a house ?
martin II

Do you have

In looking to see what OJ himself says about the lease I found this in his testimony.....

Q. All right. Now, you had no objection to her using your residence
until—your residence address as her residence address as long as the
reconciliation period was ongoing?
A. As long as there was a chance. I understood her argument that if
we got back together why pay the taxes since I—if I was going to—
since I was going to rent the house out



And, then this is OJ talking about the lease on Gretna Green...

A. Well, she had found a place a little earlier than that and she
was going to move and it fell through. And then she had found this
place on Gretna—I mean on Bundy, and eventually moved there. But she
was—she wanted to move back home. And I still wasn't ready. I said
we have to wait a year. And so she had to look for a place because
her lease was—her lease was really up on Gretna Green, and she
wanted to move back in with me. But I said, hey, I said a year. And
so she was kind of in a pinch. She had to—she didn't want to rent
again. She wanted to buy a place and consequently proceeded to
attempt to sell her condo in San Francisco, a gift I had given her,
you know, upon our marriage.


So, that would lead me to believe that IF he did sign the lease it would have been as a co-signer. He called it HER lease. Not THE lease.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy

oj testified in the civil trial on 8-9 different days.
can you give me the date he discussed what you say about Robin or can you cut and paste it here??
martin II

Hi Martin,

If you type in Robin Greer in the search bar at the top of the web site it will pull up the days she was mentioned. I would have to go back and do the same thing to find it.

:read:

[tazzybaby]

Thanks Kate!

Great Post!!!

:)

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy hi

*snip*
Actually

as i understand it
Oj went to GG had some few words with nicole and left
Nicole called him at his house and said she wanted to explain and askef him to come back ot he agreed to go back.
He went back to GG and the conversation got out of control, nicole became afraid and called 911.
Oj could be heard on the tape taking about the party she gave for Robin

Is that your understanding of the events??
martin II

No, that's not the way I understand it. When Nicole called 911 she said ... "he's back" So, that tells me that there was trouble when he was there previously. Why would she lock him out if she invited him to come over?

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

If you type in Robin Greer in the search bar at the top of the web site it will pull up the days she was mentioned. I would have to go back and do the same thing to find it.

:read:

tazzy
i did that. her name was mentioned in too many peoples testimony. I can do without it now. Too much work for a minor issue.

martin II

[martin II]

No, that's not the way I understand it. When Nicole called 911 she said ... "he's back" So, that tells me that there was trouble when he was there previously. Why would she lock him out if she invited him to come over?

tazzy
when oj left GG and went home did she and oj have a telephone conversation before he returned. If so do you now who said what?
martin II

[martin II]

Thanks Kate!

Great Post!!!

:)

TAZZY HI

It could not be true that oj signed the GG lease hoping that at the end Nicole would come back to rockingham. Your post states that when the GG lease was over Nicole wanted to go back to rockingham and oj said NO.

HE told her they had to wait a year to see how thisngs worked out. So who was begging who.
martin II

[martin II]

Thanks Kate!

Great Post!!!

:)

tazzy hi

I am still interested in you offering a reason why Nicole with $400,000 cash $10,000 monthly spupport payment, and a $500,000 SF condo would need to
ask oj to sign a lease for her.

Nicole had a party of KZ and his girlfriend who was also a prostitute at her home with the children there.

KZ was a confirmed drug addict, both invited their friends.
So do you believe she invited some girls from the job and he, some of his customers?

A mutual friend told oj all about the party and this is what pissed him off and why he went to GG to confront nicole. he did not like the idea of such a party
going on with his kids in the house. He was heard on the 911 tape talking about this to nicole.

Where as i think some would give the same type party but i doubt that any would with their small children in the house. imo jmo

martin II

[limakey]

Kate,

I certainly have not overlooked OJ's cheating. I have posted many times that I feel cheating is a very brutal and cruel form of domestic abuse. I have also posted that I feel the children are just as hurt, perhaps even more then the spouse--in the long wrong.

In regards to Nicole's friends being call girls. IMO, if a woman is doing this of her own free will, I believe it is an honorable profession. However, it can't be totally dismissed that Robin Greer and/or some of the other call girls didn't try to recruit Nicole into this profession.

Can we agree that non-call girl friends of call girls ask many questions about their profession? Can we also agree that if these call girls are happy doing what they are doing, are not going to give the "down sides" of the profession? The danagers involved with it?

OJ's cocaine use is nothing more then that. He is not unlike millions of people who have used this drug for recreation. (Which I totally hate that word being associated with drugs.) IMO, I believe OJ's cocaine use was the same as Nicole, they did it, walked away from it or did it on occasions. IMO, I don't think that makes them bad people.

I agree with you that Simpson may have had ties to mafia, however, the question needs to be asked, did he knowingly have these ties? And if he did, then can these ties be factors in Nicole's death?

Many "friends" made negative comments about both OJ and Nicole and their lifestyles. However, it does make me wonder why these comments were made in the public domain and not to the DA's in this case. I would love to know what some of these people had to gain but their comments. Was it to get air time? Was it to protect themselves? Was it to get "even" for events of the past. I'm not just talking about comments made about OJ, but also Nicole.

I don't know if you read my post but in your post, you made an important point. As the law is written, chidren are owed the same lifestyle they have become accustomed to, however, this very, very rarely happens. Nicole wouldn't be the first woman to realize that the law and reality aren't even close on this issue. IMO, I believe "no fault" divorces work against a majority of women and that these no fault divorces are not fair.

Victim's lives being examined and picked apart is normal in every murder investigation. The fact that Nicole's and Ron's lives were totally ignored by the police is why there remain so many questions about it.

I think it is fair to say that both sides did not want the true nature of Ron and Nicole's relationship to be public. I think it is fair to say that both sides wanted to stay way from drug issues.

I think it is also fair to say that while posters have made comments about Nicole's divorce settlement and child support were more then enough to give her a good start, the same type of comments have been made regarding Simpson's pension. His pension alone should be enough to maintain his lifestyle.

If you think about, in regards to money, is Simpson responsible to ensure his children have the same lifestyle they had before their mother's death? Should the children suffer in regards to money?

[limakey]

Here is something to consider regarding the 1993 911 call.

None of us know what Nicole has told Simpson about any of these people.

Isn't it possible that Nicole told OJ a lot of bad things about Keith and then later Simpson was baffled and angry why Nicole still remained friends with him? What about Robin Greer?

[martin II]

Kate,

I certainly have not overlooked OJ's cheating. I have posted many times that I feel cheating is a very brutal and cruel form of domestic abuse. I have also posted that I feel the children are just as hurt, perhaps even more then the spouse--in the long wrong.

In regards to Nicole's friends being call girls. IMO, if a woman is doing this of her own free will, I believe it is an honorable profession. However, it can't be totally dismissed that Robin Greer and/or some of the other call girls didn't try to recruit Nicole into this profession.

Can we agree that non-call girl friends of call girls ask many questions about their profession? Can we also agree that if these call girls are happy doing what they are doing, are not going to give the "down sides" of the profession? The danagers involved with it?

OJ's cocaine use is nothing more then that. He is not unlike millions of people who have used this drug for recreation. (Which I totally hate that word being associated with drugs.) IMO, I believe OJ's cocaine use was the same as Nicole, they did it, walked away from it or did it on occasions. IMO, I don't think that makes them bad people.

I agree with you that Simpson may have had ties to mafia, however, the question needs to be asked, did he knowingly have these ties? And if he did, then can these ties be factors in Nicole's death?

Many "friends" made negative comments about both OJ and Nicole and their lifestyles. However, it does make me wonder why these comments were made in the public domain and not to the DA's in this case. I would love to know what some of these people had to gain but their comments. Was it to get air time? Was it to protect themselves? Was it to get "even" for events of the past. I'm not just talking about comments made about OJ, but also Nicole.

I don't know if you read my post but in your post, you made an important point. As the law is written, chidren are owed the same lifestyle they have become accustomed to, however, this very, very rarely happens. Nicole wouldn't be the first woman to realize that the law and reality aren't even close on this issue. IMO, I believe "no fault" divorces work against a majority of women and that these no fault divorces are not fair.

Victim's lives being examined and picked apart is normal in every murder investigation. The fact that Nicole's and Ron's lives were totally ignored by the police is why there remain so many questions about it.

I think it is fair to say that both sides did not want the true nature of Ron and Nicole's relationship to be public. I think it is fair to say that both sides wanted to stay way from drug issues.

I think it is also fair to say that while posters have made comments about Nicole's divorce settlement and child support were more then enough to give her a good start, the same type of comments have been made regarding Simpson's pension. His pension alone should be enough to maintain his lifestyle.

If you think about, in regards to money, is Simpson responsible to ensure his children have the same lifestyle they had before their mother's death? Should the children suffer in regards to money?

limakey
As usual you have made a very interesting and significant post.
Thanks.

martin II:beer:

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I certainly have not overlooked OJ's cheating. I have posted many times that I feel cheating is a very brutal and cruel form of domestic abuse. I have also posted that I feel the children are just as hurt, perhaps even more then the spouse--in the long wrong.

In regards to Nicole's friends being call girls. IMO, if a woman is doing this of her own free will, I believe it is an honorable profession. However, it can't be totally dismissed that Robin Greer and/or some of the other call girls didn't try to recruit Nicole into this profession.

Can we agree that non-call girl friends of call girls ask many questions about their profession? Can we also agree that if these call girls are happy doing what they are doing, are not going to give the "down sides" of the profession? The danagers involved with it?

OJ's cocaine use is nothing more then that. He is not unlike millions of people who have used this drug for recreation. (Which I totally hate that word being associated with drugs.) IMO, I believe OJ's cocaine use was the same as Nicole, they did it, walked away from it or did it on occasions. IMO, I don't think that makes them bad people.

I agree with you that Simpson may have had ties to mafia, however, the question needs to be asked, did he knowingly have these ties? And if he did, then can these ties be factors in Nicole's death?

Many "friends" made negative comments about both OJ and Nicole and their lifestyles. However, it does make me wonder why these comments were made in the public domain and not to the DA's in this case. I would love to know what some of these people had to gain but their comments. Was it to get air time? Was it to protect themselves? Was it to get "even" for events of the past. I'm not just talking about comments made about OJ, but also Nicole.

I don't know if you read my post but in your post, you made an important point. As the law is written, chidren are owed the same lifestyle they have become accustomed to, however, this very, very rarely happens. Nicole wouldn't be the first woman to realize that the law and reality aren't even close on this issue. IMO, I believe "no fault" divorces work against a majority of women and that these no fault divorces are not fair.

Victim's lives being examined and picked apart is normal in every murder investigation. The fact that Nicole's and Ron's lives were totally ignored by the police is why there remain so many questions about it.

I think it is fair to say that both sides did not want the true nature of Ron and Nicole's relationship to be public. I think it is fair to say that both sides wanted to stay way from drug issues.

I think it is also fair to say that while posters have made comments about Nicole's divorce settlement and child support were more then enough to give her a good start, the same type of comments have been made regarding Simpson's pension. His pension alone should be enough to maintain his lifestyle.

If you think about, in regards to money, is Simpson responsible to ensure his children have the same lifestyle they had before their mother's death? Should the children suffer in regards to money?

Unfortunately, I think you missed the entire point of my post.

You speak of OJ's cocaine use as being "just that", and you have proved my point. His, by several on this forum, has been disregarded as no big deal while Nicole's apparent recreational use has been twisted to sound as though she was some west LA cocaine freak. If you are going to condemn one individual for a habit, then you must also condemn the other.

Why do you say that it cannot be dismissed that Robin Greer may have attempted to recruit Nicole as a call girl? Where have you read anything that might lead you to believe this? Do we automatically assume that if any indiviual that has a friend that is into drug dealing, or prostitution is being recruited for the same? I'm sorry, but I'm not following this one. Nor can I agree that non-call girl friends ask many questions about their profession because I have never, to my knowledge, personally known a call girl.

Of course victim's lives are picked apart and examined, but that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about evening the playing field. I am talking about the fact that it is inappropriate to point a finger at Nicole while exonerating OJ of all wrong doing as so many people here seem to find pleasure in. It's simply sick and twisted for me to see all of these sycophants that defend him at every turn, no matter what the issue.

I agree that those children still continued to be entitled to the same lifestyle in which they were accustomed, and I'd like to make a point here. Martin blames Nicole; he says that all of the times that the children were uprooted was her fault and her choice. I find it odd that he speaks that way, considering that OJ's habitual womanizing and abuse were the reasons that drove Nicole to those choices. I can't believe that he would expect any woman to remain in that situation, or blame her for the uprooting of her children based on such. Nicole Brown Simpson had a right to expect her husband to be faithful, she had a right to expect her body not to be broken into and violated, and she had a right to safe refuge for her and her children. OJ has admitted that he allowed Nicole to use his Rockingham address, yet when he turns around and threatens to take away her home, and she has to move her children again, Martin blames her.

Doesn't anyone see how wrong that is? It's more than wrong. It's sick.

Kate

[martin II]

limakey

I agree that at certain times oj and nicole did do cocain. maby to geather and maby not togeather. Unlike some i have never to rockingham.

I think most understand that oj did do cocain and it is generally accepted that he was more involved than nicole.

Nicole had a right to remove the kids from rockingham if she was finished with oj. The decision to move from GG to bundy and then to where she planned to move after bundy was her decision.

It seems to me that the divoice decree related to money and support DID probide for adequate finaicual support for nicole and the kids. $400,000 cash
and $10,000 per month support `ples a $500,000 condo in SF oj GAVE her
when the got married was very adequate for the three of them (nicole and the two kids) Whether the kids had a right to live the exact samem lifeatyle as they did before trhe divoice is questionable as to part of that lifestyle had been removed by the divoice. The father was no longer a live in father and they did not have the luxury of a large estate.

To be realistic the life style of the children rarely remains the same after divoice regardless of what some think.

There has been endless volumes of good but mostly negative informaiton offered about oj's lifestyle including very personal activities under the excuse that it was necessary to understand him and any possible motive for him doing what he was charged with. But these guardians of Nicole seem to believe that any comment about her lifestyle is off limits simply because she was murdered. This imo is pure nonsense. It is generally accepted that Nicole was a good mother and a good wife. But there were issues about nicole that does call for examination if one is to have a clear and accurate picture of
of both of them.

Again. thanks for your excellant post.

maartin II

[limakey]

Kate,

I have never said anything negative about Nicole's drug use. From everything that I have read about her and OJ is that they did use drugs on occassion, however, they also paid for several friends/relatives drug and alcohol rehabs. IMO, there are people who can be "recreational" drug abusers and there are those that can't.

I have always gotten the impression that most NG's have never really focused on Nicole's drug use, but that of Faye's and her problems with drugs. Faye's statements regarding these issues just don't add up and IMO, they only lead to more questions.

Also, even if posters have painted Nicole as a drug addict, that does not mean they believe she deserved to die because of it. The question, again, IMO is, what role, if any, did drugs play in these murders.

I agree with that Nicole did have the right to expect OJ to be faithful. However, so did the first Mrs. Simpson. Nicole knew he was married and she, according to the first Mrs. Simpson, was not above driving by her home, where her children lived and make her feelings known about her.

I have very little (please note, I did not say none) for any person who was the "other woman" in a couple's marriage and then becomes upset when they marry the adulter and find out that the adulter has also cheated on them. Nicole's age is no more of an excuse for her adultry with Simpson then any of his "excuses".

IMO, when it comes to certain issues, there is no way in hell can a woman ever level playing the field with a man. Again, history shows us that men have been able to get away with cheating and it bear no reflection on their professional or reputation. However, a woman would totally be treated differently, IMO.

I truly don't understand the statement, "I was a terrible husband, but a great father". That seems to work for many people, however it has never worked for me.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

I have never said anything negative about Nicole's drug use. From everything that I have read about her and OJ is that they did use drugs on occassion, however, they also paid for several friends/relatives drug and alcohol rehabs. IMO, there are people who can be "recreational" drug abusers and there are those that can't.

I have always gotten the impression that most NG's have never really focused on Nicole's drug use, but that of Faye's and her problems with drugs. Faye's statements regarding these issues just don't add up and IMO, they only lead to more questions.

Also, even if posters have painted Nicole as a drug addict, that does not mean they believe she deserved to die because of it. The question, again, IMO is, what role, if any, did drugs play in these murders.

I agree with that Nicole did have the right to expect OJ to be faithful. However, so did the first Mrs. Simpson. Nicole knew he was married and she, according to the first Mrs. Simpson, was not above driving by her home, where her children lived and make her feelings known about her.

I have very little (please note, I did not say none) for any person who was the "other woman" in a couple's marriage and then becomes upset when they marry the adulter and find out that the adulter has also cheated on them. Nicole's age is no more of an excuse for her adultry with Simpson then any of his "excuses".

IMO, when it comes to certain issues, there is no way in hell can a woman ever level playing the field with a man. Again, history shows us that men have been able to get away with cheating and it bear no reflection on their professional or reputation. However, a woman would totally be treated differently, IMO.

I truly don't understand the statement, "I was a terrible husband, but a great father". That seems to work for many people, however it has never worked for me.

I wasn't necessarily speaking of you, but of several others though at times you certainly do, in my opinion, fit into the category.

Do you notice martin's posting above? He never seems to want to respond directly to me, but always replies to no one in particular in a way that makes it clear that he has read my post, even though he would apparently rather pretend that he hasn't. What he appears to not realize is how transparent he is.

Again, you seem to be missing my point. I didn't say that anyone claimed that she deserved to die. What they insinuate is that she was a sponger of OJ's money and that she somehow was less of a person and mother than OJ was a person or father because of her lifestyle choices. All I'm saying is that it's not fair.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

limakey

I agree that at certain times oj and nicole did do cocain. maby to geather and maby not togeather. Unlike some i have never to rockingham.

I think most understand that oj did do cocain and it is generally accepted that he was more involved than nicole.

Nicole had a right to remove the kids from rockingham if she was finished with oj. The decision to move from GG to bundy and then to where she planned to move after bundy was her decision.

It seems to me that the divoice decree related to money and support DID probide for adequate finaicual support for nicole and the kids. $400,000 cash
and $10,000 per month support `ples a $500,000 condo in SF oj GAVE her
when the got married was very adequate for the three of them (nicole and the two kids) Whether the kids had a right to live the exact samem lifeatyle as they did before trhe divoice is questionable as to part of that lifestyle had been removed by the divoice. The father was no longer a live in father and they did not have the luxury of a large estate.

To be realistic the life style of the children rarely remains the same after divoice regardless of what some think.

There has been endless volumes of good but mostly negative informaiton offered about oj's lifestyle including very personal activities under the excuse that it was necessary to understand him and any possible motive for him doing what he was charged with. But these guardians of Nicole seem to believe that any comment about her lifestyle is off limits simply because she was murdered. This imo is pure nonsense. It is generally accepted that Nicole was a good mother and a good wife. But there were issues about nicole that does call for examination if one is to have a clear and accurate picture of
of both of them.

Again. thanks for your excellant post.

maartin II


I find it humorous that you will not respond directly to me, though you make it clear that you have read my postings and are responding in general to them.

But I have no problem at all responding to you; I think your thought process is twisted. You don't seem to realize that examination of Nicole's life is not the issue. This issue pertains to sycophants such as yourself who want to examine her flaws and use them to paint a picture of her that shows a woman unworthy of being defended, while you tape posters of the Juice to your wall and sit in worship.

I am honored to be considered "a guardian" (as you put it) of Nicole, because women like Nicole deserve to have individuals guarding them from people with a thought process such as yours.

If Nicole should have considered her divorce settlement good enough, and been able to use that for the rest of her life then OJ needs to stop whining about his football pension isn't enough and he's broke. And there's the big difference. Nicole lost her finances because at the end of the day she decided to leave a man that abused her and cheated on her. OJ lost his finances because at the end of the day he decided to murder two innocent human beings.

Kate

[limakey]

Kate,

IMO, you seem to be very old school when it comes to replying to posts. Regardless of what the post addressed to you says, you always respond to it. (Do you do "Thank You" notes?---;) You are a very polite poster, in this regard and I hope you take this as a compliment .

There are times when different posters respond to a post and the poster forgets to go back and reply to all "respondees".

I have a very hard time finding anything fair about a divorce.

I do not believe that Nicole was sponging off OJ---she said the prenup agreement so she knew what her divorce settlement was along. However, in this case, when Nicole signed this prenup, she had no way of knowing that one day she would be put in the position of trying to have it amended. In other words, I don't think Nicole ever thought this agreement would come into play---she loved OJ and felt they would always be together.

Simpson did not leave Nicole high and dry in the divorce when it comes to money. He paid her a lump sum fee and he gave her other assets. What she chose to do with them was her business. IMO.

Divorce does not bring out the best in people, regardless of who you are, IMO.

[Kate Sachel]

Kate,

IMO, you seem to be very old school when it comes to replying to posts. Regardless of what the post addressed to you says, you always respond to it. (Do you do "Thank You" notes?---;) You are a very polite poster, in this regard and I hope you take this as a compliment .

There are times when different posters respond to a post and the poster forgets to go back and reply to all "respondees".

I have a very hard time finding anything fair about a divorce.

I do not believe that Nicole was sponging off OJ---she said the prenup agreement so she knew what her divorce settlement was along. However, in this case, when Nicole signed this prenup, she had no way of knowing that one day she would be put in the position of trying to have it amended. In other words, I don't think Nicole ever thought this agreement would come into play---she loved OJ and felt they would always be together.

Simpson did not leave Nicole high and dry in the divorce when it comes to money. He paid her a lump sum fee and he gave her other assets. What she chose to do with them was her business. IMO.

Divorce does not bring out the best in people, regardless of who you are, IMO.

Thank you kindly. I smiled because I do in fact do "Thank You" notes.

I agree that it is rare to find a fair divorce. But, that does not make it right and it should not give people a built in excuse to respond in the manner in which some here are fond of doing.

I don't believe that the divorce settlement was ideal or necessarily fair considering his worth and the fact that he insisted she not work for seventeen years. I realize that it's easy for some to say that this is not a difficult scenario to overcome, but that is untrue.

I volunteer at a homeless shelter in addition to my volunteer work for domestic violence. I have met many women who were with abusive men that were rich. Upon leaving them, though given child support and a certain lump payment they were unable to obtain gainful employment within a quick enough time frame and as a result lost all that they had. These are not lazy or bad women, but people forget that having a payment enough to purchase a home does not guarantee security; the upkeep on a home is expensive and all that goes along with daily life has it's hidden and outrageous expenses.

I concur that Nicole should have been expected to get back on her feet, but not immediately. There is a timeframe that I believe needs to be allotted in order for these women to work toward a goal that will enrich their lives and allow them to be financially independent.

Kate

[limakey]

Kate,

Nicole did start at least one business while she was married to Simpson. What ever happened to this business or what is on the books is unknown.

IMO, what is said in a divorce when it comes to money is often the words of the lawyers and not the person. While Nicole made the statement that OJ did not want to her work, that does not mean that Nicole always wanted to work but didn't. She appears to take great pride in her home and her children--in other words, she was content to be a full time wife and mother.

I find nothing wrong with anyone woman or man who wants to be a full time spouse and parent. However, in Nicole's case, she knew about the prenup agreement, she knew what she would get in the event of a divorce, so, IMO,
her "official" timeframe started the minute she told Simpson she wanted to separate. IMO, Nicole knew she could never truly trust Simpson, she also knew that no matter how much she tried, she could not handle his cheating so she knew she had to prepare herself for this.

[martin II]

limakey


If one includes the SF condo valued $550,000 with the cash and support payments Nicole was very close to being a millionair even if some of the wealth was on paper. IF Nicole only spent $100,000/year on herself that would give her 4 years to get a job which i think may have been in her plans.

But the setlement she received was far greater than what most divoiced mothers with two children receive in this country.

I think when oj decided not to participate in nicoles IRS scam he actually did her a favor since he DID NOT inform the IRS of his notice to her.imo He actually kept her from making a big mistake IF she had used his address without his approval.

I don't know if Robin discussed her "JOB"/H.F. with Nicole or not and have no idea if Nicole had any interest to to know but i do find that If Nicole did have a party where prostitutes and drug users were invited, imo that was not a good decision especially if the children were present in the house.

Again i do enjoy posting to you and some others and will continue to decide who i will respond to and who i will ignore.jmo imo

martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, using children as the reason why Nicole's (or anyone else's for that matter) choice of friends is unfair.

IMO, Nicole was a very loyal friend and she took in at least one friend who had no where else to go. Had Nicole even thought that this friend or any of her friends would put herself in danger or her children, I seriously doubt that she would have had them as friends or invite them into her home.

My example for this the JonBenet Ramsey murder. While many people feel that her murder, regardless of who killed them, was her parents fault because of the beauty pagents. My reply to this is that many parents involved children in these pagents and I do not believe that any of them ever considered these pagents as dangerous, so dangerous that their child may be murdered because of them.

[martin II]

Kate,

Nicole did start at least one business while she was married to Simpson. What ever happened to this business or what is on the books is unknown.

IMO, what is said in a divorce when it comes to money is often the words of the lawyers and not the person. While Nicole made the statement that OJ did not want to her work, that does not mean that Nicole always wanted to work but didn't. She appears to take great pride in her home and her children--in other words, she was content to be a full time wife and mother.

I find nothing wrong with anyone woman or man who wants to be a full time spouse and parent. However, in Nicole's case, she knew about the prenup agreement, she knew what she would get in the event of a divorce, so, IMO,
her "official" timeframe started the minute she told Simpson she wanted to separate. IMO, Nicole knew she could never truly trust Simpson, she also knew that no matter how much she tried, she could not handle his cheating so she knew she had to prepare herself for this.

limakey
I agree with you post but would like to add something to it.

I appears that long before nicole and oj divoiced she had many indicators that her relationahip with oj could very well end in divoice.(based on the fact that she felt he was cheating on her) So it was not that she had to make plans for herself starting at the point she told him she wanted a divoice.

She did, with the help of Oj start her Interior Decorating business as he set her up with two willing clients. (himself and M.A.) If she decided not to expand this head start then that decision was on her.

From what i have read, Nicole was a self starter type when it came to issues that she had interest in. I have not read any comments to the effect that she was a dumb blond type of woman. So i believe that she was well equiped to make her decision and plans if she so desired.

When she told OJ to get lost and filed for her divoice, she was basically on her own. The settlement was fair and gave her plenty of time to get her new life on tract. To say that the settlement was not fair is to disrespect all the divoiced women with children that make ends meet with much less and raise
educated and well behaved happy children. And there are many. imo jmo
martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, when it comes to divorce, it is impossible to get a "fair" settlement. IMO, even if a person gets millions and millions in a divorce settlement, the amount of dollars will never equal the amount of tears that have been shed.

I don't believe Simpson left Nicole high and dry and we agree that Nicole knew that their marriage was going to end in divorce for a very long time. I think Nicole had the time to prepare herself for this but then again on the other hand, I can understand why she kept putting it off--perhaps she was kidding herself about the reality of actually being divorced from OJ.

I do agree with you that Nicole only has herself to blame regarding the IRS thing and I also agree with you that the IRS letter was a wake up call for Nicole and she acted on that.

Another point, how far away was Nicole planning to move from Brentwood? If the distance was over a certain amount, then Simpson could have made this an issue with the court. The only way Nicole could have countered this issue is to say that by moving to such and such location, she would be able to have a job or being in a position where she could become independant of of alimony.

One more point, about Faye---she and Nicole were planning to go into business together, well isn't it possible that Nicole was going to start a business but did not want Faye involved in it?

[martin II]

Martin,

IMO, when it comes to divorce, it is impossible to get a "fair" settlement. IMO, even if a person gets millions and millions in a divorce settlement, the amount of dollars will never equal the amount of tears that have been shed.

I don't believe Simpson left Nicole high and dry and we agree that Nicole knew that their marriage was going to end in divorce for a very long time. I think Nicole had the time to prepare herself for this but then again on the other hand, I can understand why she kept putting it off--perhaps she was kidding herself about the reality of actually being divorced from OJ.

I do agree with you that Nicole only has herself to blame regarding the IRS thing and I also agree with you that the IRS letter was a wake up call for Nicole and she acted on that.

Another point, how far away was Nicole planning to move from Brentwood? If the distance was over a certain amount, then Simpson could have made this an issue with the court. The only way Nicole could have countered this issue is to say that by moving to such and such location, she would be able to have a job or being in a position where she could become independant of of alimony.

One more point, about Faye---she and Nicole were planning to go into business together, well isn't it possible that Nicole was going to start a business but did not want Faye involved in it?


limakey
yesterday i read some of oj's comments about how Nicole would drop a friend like a hot rod when she decided the friend had done something ufriendly to her. IMO she helped faye get into rahab and should have put some distance between herself and faye after that. Faye seemed to cause extra static between oj and nicole with her addicted behavior.(Personality flaws)

If she did not move forward with the business because Faye was acting like a grifter, then it is sad that she allowed this to deraill her plans.

It seems that for a along time faye needed a large dose of reality.imo jmo
martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

Everything OJ said about Nicole dropping a friend may very well be true, however, Nicole would not be the first person to put aside those feelings when they feel this same person is in very tough shape. How many of use could slam the door in the face of friend who need our help desperately?

Also, Nicole may have also felt that some of these acts may not have been done had the person not been doing drugs at the time. Friends to make excuses for other friend's behavior.

Now that I think about it, Faye was very desperate to get out of Brentwood and wanted Nicole to go with her, why didn't Nicole take her seriously?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy
i did that. her name was mentioned in too many peoples testimony. I can do without it now. Too much work for a minor issue.

martin II

I've just now gotten the chance to reply. But, I didn't really (and don't right now) to go back and research. I believe it was in the first one that pops up in the search.

:cool:

[tazzybaby]

I've just now gotten the chance to reply. But, I didn't really (and don't right now) to go back and research. I believe it was in the first one that pops up in the search.

:cool:


ooops....I should have put "have the time" to go back and research.

:)

[weezer]

They were not togeather when the irs thing came up. Oj could have had as many women as pleased him. we do know according to Faye, Nicole had a few also. so what if the problem?
martin II

good ole martin -- always ready to bash the victims!

I've often wondered if orenthal's propensity to womanize had anything to do with his being afraid that he may have taken from his dad's side of the family? ;) ;)

[martin II]

good ole martin -- always ready to bash the victims!

I've often wondered if orenthal's propensity to womanize had anything to do with his being afraid that he may have taken from his dad's side of the family? ;) ;)

fbg
I see you want to talk about his dad dads gayness again.

I think oj was a stud type of guy that was not satrified with kissing one woman at a time. I consider it too much work to keep up with more than one but i guess he had the strength.

Maby according to your proposed idea, many men that cheat had a Gay dad.
martin ii

[tazzybaby]

TAZZY HI

It could not be true that oj signed the GG lease hoping that at the end Nicole would come back to rockingham. Your post states that when the GG lease was over Nicole wanted to go back to rockingham and oj said NO.

HE told her they had to wait a year to see how thisngs worked out. So who was begging who.
martin II

Hi Martin,

I didn't say that he hoped that Nicole would come back to Rockingham when the lease was signed. I said that when it came time to RE-SIGN. He even said that he understood. There was only months left of their "year" wait.

This was about the lease. Not about who was begging who. I know and I believe every one else knows that Nicole was the one who initiated the reconciliation.

[martin II]

good ole martin -- always ready to bash the victims!

I've often wondered if orenthal's propensity to womanize had anything to do with his being afraid that he may have taken from his dad's side of the family? ;) ;)

Good old fbg -----always ready to try to hide Nicoles history.

Martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I didn't say that he hoped that Nicole would come back to Rockingham when the lease was signed. I said that when it came time to RE-SIGN. He even said that he understood. There was only months left of their "year" wait.

This was about the lease. Not about who was begging who. I know and I believe every one else knows that Nicole was the one who initiated the reconciliation.

tazzsy hi
i understand.

My point is Nicole wanted to return and Oj told her the year is not up so you cannot come back now. If she wanted to buy a condo at that time i understand that move. But this was her decision.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

I am still interested in you offering a reason why Nicole with $400,000 cash $10,000 monthly spupport payment, and a $500,000 SF condo would need to
ask oj to sign a lease for her.

*snip* (others have already replied to it)
martin II

First, we don't know if OJ needed to sign the lease or was asked to sign the lease. We have OJ saying that it was her lease. We have Robin Greer saying he signed it. So, I was trying to figure this out.

I was the one asking why he would have to sign the lease if she had assets. That doesn't make sense to me. The only thing that I think is that she didn't have rental history? I think that if he did sign the lease it was only as a co-signer. Most rental properties don't have a lease with someone who doesn't live there. So, in order for what Robin Greer said to be true I would think it would have to be as a co-signer. But, the way he was talking about it in his testimony, he didn't say that he signed or co-signed the lease.

[martin II]

I've just now gotten the chance to reply. But, I didn't really (and don't right now) to go back and research. I believe it was in the first one that pops up in the search.

:cool:

tazzy hi
it is not necessary.
thanks for the effort.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzsy hi
i understand.

My point is Nicole wanted to return and Oj told her the year is not up so you cannot come back now. If she wanted to buy a condo at that time i understand that move. But this was her decision.imo
martin II

I know your point but I don't know why you're inserting it here. I DO know that Nicole initiated the reconciliation. I also know that AT THAT POINT she wanted to move back to Rockingham.

There is no disputing:

OJ knew that she wanted to move back. And, he told her to wait until the year was up. He says she didn't want to sign another lease. He also says he understands why she didn't want to. And, he also said that he was OKAY WITH HER USING HIS ADDRESS AS LONG AS THEY WERE RECONCILING.

She sold the SF home to save money. She bought the Bundy Condo to use as her "income" to replace the SF home income. OJ sent the IRS threat (the threat is to report her to the IRS) because he wasn't okay with her using his address any more. It was sent through his attorney. Nicole was very offended because that affected the children, not just her. OJ didn't care about that. He only wanted to be mean because he was mad. If he wasn't mad he wouldn't have sent the letter. He would have talked to her about it. They had to tone the letter down from what OJ originally wrote.

[martin II]

good ole martin -- always ready to bash the victims!

I've often wondered if orenthal's propensity to womanize had anything to do with his being afraid that he may have taken from his dad's side of the family? ;) ;)

fbg
i like you avatar. very creative. would you mind sharing where you got it? I(site)

martin II

[martin II]

I know your point but I don't know why you're inserting it here. I DO know that Nicole initiated the reconciliation. I also know that AT THAT POINT she wanted to move back to Rockingham.

There is no disputing:

OJ knew that she wanted to move back. And, he told her to wait until the year was up. He says she didn't want to sign another lease. He also says he understands why she didn't want to. And, he also said that he was OKAY WITH HER USING HIS ADDRESS AS LONG AS THEY WERE RECONCILING.

She sold the SF home to save money. She bought the Bundy Condo to use as her "income" to replace the SF home income. OJ sent the IRS threat (the threat is to report her to the IRS) because he wasn't okay with her using his address any more. It was sent through his attorney. Nicole was very offended because that affected the children, not just her. OJ didn't care about that. He only wanted to be mean because he was mad. If he wasn't mad he wouldn't have sent the letter. He would have talked to her about it. They had to tone the letter down from what OJ originally wrote.


tazzy hi

If they were back togeather there would be a legitimate reason for him to allow her touse the address as that would be true. If she was not living at rockingham for whatever reason then it woul be a lie and oj would be part of the scam to defraud the IRS.

I can see where he did not want to discuss this agains with her because it may have led to ANOTHER argument. So he simply told her not to do it.
Nicole may have been offended because she had to pay capital gains tax like most.

Oj was supporting his kids financially with the $10,000 monthly support payment so it was not like he was not looking after his kids.His kids would always have a place to live.
martin II

[weezer]

fbg
I see you want to talk about his dad dads gayness again.

I think oj was a stud type of guy that was not satrified with kissing one woman at a time. I consider it too much work to keep up with more than one but i guess he had the strength.

Maby according to your proposed idea, many men that cheat had a Gay dad.
martin ii

:shrug: :confused:

[martin II]

tazzy hi
which house transaction caused Nicole to have a capital gains tax problem?
martin II

[martin II]

:shrug: :confused:

weezer

Cora made some comments about what Nicole told her about how she felt about OJ Simpson and Marcus Allen. I think you would maby understand that
both were considered especially gifted naturally.You may want to read her comments in her deposition(i think that is where it is):read:

So i don't think oj's dad being gay hampered oj in anyway. imo
martin II

[limakey]

Kate,

If you keep the evidence in this case the same but put Nicole in the defendant's chair and OJ in the ground, wouldn't be fair to say that the DA's could have built a case around the IRS letter? That the DA's could have built a case on OJ's cheating?

How long would it have taken the DA's and the media to condemn Nicole's requests for more money? Isn't it fair to say that they would have said that the Nicole had more then enough time to stand on her own two feet but she chose not to?

Isn't it also fair to say that the DA's would not have focused on OJ's letter but on Nicole's knowledge that she knew she was breaking the law and that is another motive on why she killed him--he threatened to turn her in?

Isn't it also fair to say that Nicole would never have been allowed to use the battered woman's syndrome defense? (Which I totally believe is a legimate defense.)

How long would it take the DA's to say that it was Nicole who was obessed with Simpson and she was the one who was doing the stalking?

[martin II]

tazzy hi

Nicole had more than enough time to get training or a job. Not sure she wanted to either.

i Think Nicole may have seen herself as someone that she was not after the divoice. She seem to contiune to try to live the same life of ease that she lived when she was with oj. Maby the $10,000 per month support and her million dollar worth lead her to believe she could coast along with no effort and if she ever hit a bump, OJ'S love for her coupled with the children, would always toss her a life raft.

Oj decided that he had had enough of Nicoles problems and Nicole. He sent her a strong signal to this effect with the IRS NOTICE. It seemed that this was the jolt she needed as i think she then arrange for a new home out of breentwood.

So although she had not made reasonable efforts to prepare herself for the absence of sugar daddy at lease the IRS letter motivated her do so something on her own.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

So although she had not made reasonable efforts to prepare herself for the absence of sugar daddy

"Sugar Daddy"? Orenthal was her husband & it was his choice to marry her :rolleyes:

[sassylassy]

Sassy
Thankd for that info.

martin II


I'm a few days behind- but your welcome :beer:

[martin II]

I'm a few days behind- but your welcome :beer:

I have read two instances where Nicoles name was connected to something called the "BRENTWOOD HELLO" I am trying to find out exactly what this means.
martin II

[sassylassy]

Sassy,

Does Robin say how she fell into her career as a call girl?

I am still reading- but so far its Robins younger sister Liza (co author) is the full out call girl - but they all hang out together and run in the same crowd.
its a real eye opener of a read- u should check it out.:read:

[sassylassy]

I have read two instances where Nicoles name was connected to something called the "BRENTWOOD HELLO" I am trying to find out exactly what this means.
martin II

I am not sure the meaning- but that info came from Faye Resnicks book so I would check there :read:

[sassylassy]

Thanks Sassy!

*Is there a whole chapter about Nicole and OJ? Or just a mention? I wonder if he co-signed? And, since he signed the lease I wonder if Nicole didn't have ANYTHING in her name? Maybe it was because she didn't have an income besides child support? But, with assets as she had I would assume that wouldn't be necessary.

Does the book give any reason why he signed?


No- not a whole chapter- I would say about 7 or 8 mentions ( a few pgs)

I dont know why OJS signed the lease but according to Robin Greer- he did.
:read:

[sassylassy]

i am wondering how oj felt about Nicole being so close to Robin a call girl working for HF.
MARTINii



Tiffany (pg246) fall92

The evening had begun w me dressing in a tight low cut leopard dress for my hot date w keith Z. I met Keith in Aspen a few wks earlier. keith would later be known as Nicoles x lover but at this time he was my lover-& a good one. Keith invited several ppl for drinks at Mezzaluna where keith was the manager. those in present were Faye Resnick. when I finished my drinks-
I kissed Keith good bye & said I would call him later - I got in my car and made a huge mistake.

(basically she gets pulled over for a suspended license- 7,000 in fines and speeding tickets & put in jail- so she calls Keith to call HF to bail her out &
HF says f**k Tiffany - so she remained in jail (time frame is mentioned) but when she gets out of jail she gets in touch w/ the Bev Hills Narco vice squad and shortly after HF gets busted-:read:

[sassylassy]

Tiffany (pg246) fall92

The evening had begun w me dressing in a tight low cut leopard dress for my hot date w keith Z. I met Keith in Aspen a few wks earlier. keith would later be known as Nicoles x lover but at this time he was my lover-& a good one. Keith invited several ppl for drinks at Mezzaluna where keith was the manager. those in present were Faye Resnick. when I finished my drinks-
I kissed Keith good bye & said I would call him later - I got in my car and made a huge mistake.

(basically she gets pulled over for a suspended license- 7,000 in fines and speeding tickets & put in jail- so she calls Keith to call HF to bail her out &
HF says f**k Tiffany - so she remained in jail (time frame isnt mentioned) but when she gets out of jail she gets in touch w/ the Bev Hills Narco vice squad and shortly after HF gets busted-:read:



I made a typo correction in red

[martin II]

faye
was a busy lady.

martin II


Fays said that she got close to Nicole only after O.J. and Nicole divorced in 1992. However, Sheila Weller “credits” Faye with encouraging Nicole to party with young men when O.J. and Nicole were legally separated. She tells a story in Raging Heart of Nicole and Faye, still married to Paul Resnick (1991), “each with young boys, sitting outside by Faye’s and Paul’s swimming pool drinking margaritas” when Paul was out of town.

[socaldiva]

The contents of the above mentioned post should have gone in a PM. It's not suitable to post here. IMO

[martin II]

ojisinnocent

i was not sure. I am loking for a link
martinII

[2L8 4A D8]

The contents of the above mentioned post should have gone in a PM. It's not suitable to post here. IMO

You are correct Diva. This is DEFINITELY not the place and is DEFINITELY not relevant to the OJ Simpson double-murder trial. Nothing. None. Nada. Zilch. I am extremely offended by the posts and they have been reported! :flamemad:

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

NEWSWEEK 6/15
oj book

newsweek has an article today about the contents of the "If it did it' chapter
written by Pablo Funjeves (the gost writer).

It suggest that Fred may want the rights to the book so that he can publish and sell it. HHHHMMMMMM

[socaldiva]

*snip*
It suggest that Fred may want the rights to the book so that he can publish and sell it. HHHHMMMMMM

Suggested by whom? Hmmm???

[martin II]

Jotun
Fred wants the rights to the book so he can be the one to sell it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16610772/site/newsweek/page/3/

Readers may yet get their chance to judge the Simpson book for themselves. Galanter, Simpson's attorney, said last week that the rights to the book have already or will soon revert to the former football great (a spokesman for HarperCollins, of which ReganBooks was a part, declined to comment on any aspect of this story). Galanter wouldn't say if he has lined up a new publisher. More surprising was what Goldman family attorney Jonathan Polak had to say. Polak's pursuit of Simpson to pay the $33.5 million judgment has been largely fruitless; he's now attempting to claim the money ReganBooks paid for the book. He said he will also attempt to seize Simpson's copyright to the work. "This may be the one opportunity we have [to collect]," he said.

Of course, to do that, the book would have to be printed and put on sale. Would the Goldman family really seek to publish the book in which Simpson, hypothetically or not, describes the brutal murders? Fred Goldman was noncommittal; Polak wouldn't rule it out.

© 2007 Newsweek, Inc. | Subscribe to Newsweek

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

Nicole had more than enough time to get training or a job. Not sure she wanted to either.

i Think Nicole may have seen herself as someone that she was not after the divoice. She seem to contiune to try to live the same life of ease that she lived when she was with oj. Maby the $10,000 per month support and her million dollar worth lead her to believe she could coast along with no effort and if she ever hit a bump, OJ'S love for her coupled with the children, would always toss her a life raft.

Oj decided that he had had enough of Nicoles problems and Nicole. He sent her a strong signal to this effect with the IRS NOTICE. It seemed that this was the jolt she needed as i think she then arrange for a new home out of breentwood.

So although she had not made reasonable efforts to prepare herself for the absence of sugar daddy at lease the IRS letter motivated her do so something on her own.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Your suggestion that Nicole was using OJ for money is rediculous. Nicole actually got enough child support that she didn't have to work. I don't know any woman who would chose working over staying home with their children. She also had income on the rental property. She had more than the 90,000 needed to pay the taxes. And, after she paid the taxes she would start receiving her monthly rental income once the house was rented.

The "IRS NOTICE" was nothing more than him being mean. Nothing more. Your comment that he decided he was tired of her using him is rediculous. HE WAS OKAY WITH IT UNTIL THEY BROKE UP. Why didn't he just tell her? Why didn't he discuss it with her? Why would he do that when the children are in her care? Why would he send it through his lawyer? He was mad.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Your suggestion that Nicole was using OJ for money is rediculous. Nicole actually got enough child support that she didn't have to work. I don't know any woman who would chose working over staying home with their children. She also had income on the rental property. She had more than the 90,000 needed to pay the taxes. And, after she paid the taxes she would start receiving her monthly rental income once the house was rented.

The "IRS NOTICE" was nothing more than him being mean. Nothing more. Your comment that he decided he was tired of her using him is rediculous. HE WAS OKAY WITH IT UNTIL THEY BROKE UP. Why didn't he just tell her? Why didn't he discuss it with her? Why would he do that when the children are in her care? Why would he send it through his lawyer? He was mad.


tazzy hi

If nicole had what you say she had then there was no reason for her to even ask oj to be involved in her IRS scam.

When two people break up it is not reasonable to expect the same perks one would receive from his/her partner if they were still togeather.

We do not know if oj told niciole not to use his address in person or not. But the fact that he felt the need to NOTIFY her officially indicates that he had tried to discuss it with her and she did not agree with his decision.
So rather than have disagreements with her on the phone he just had his lawyer give her a soft NOTICE so that she would not act on her own.

If nicole felt that she had sufficent finances to sustain herself to the point where she did not want or need to work then that is good for her. But at some point that money would run out and she may have to in the end consider some way to create income. imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi
Oj gave nicole a $550,000 sf condo when they were married. He gave her a $400,000 cash settlement and $10,000 monthly child support. I don't think he had any reason to be concerned about helping her with her finances and the IRS scam.

martin II

[Martyrdom]

What a big pile of crap I'm reading here.

It's ok for him to break her door in cause he signed the lease? You gotta be kiddin' me. It doesn't make no bit of difference if he was the signer, it ain't ok to kick the door and rant the way he did. If he's so concerned about the happenings in the home when the kids are there then maybe he should think about not kickin in the door and rantin' the way he did while his kids were in the darn home.

The IRS thing was all her fault? You gotta be kiddin' me. He agreed to the use of his address while they were tryin' to get back together so it ain't as though he didn't know she was doing it and either way he broke the law so it's his fault too. Her paying cap gains tax on the condo woulda taken every cent she had in the bank and she thought they were gonna give their relationship another go.

She wanted to believe he changed. She wanted him back and he wanted her back so they set it up. Then what'd he do? Continued to cheat on her and ruin her hopes and dreams. Didn't care none about how the IRS threat was gonna impact his kids but I suppose that ain't nothin' new considering his past history.

Man, the OJ lovin that runs deep for some of y'all is fascinating to say the very least. But mostly it's a bunch of crap.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

If nicole had what you say she had then there was no reason for her to even ask oj to be involved in her IRS scam.

When two people break up it is not reasonable to expect the same perks one would receive from his/her partner if they were still togeather.

We do not know if oj told niciole not to use his address in person or not. But the fact that he felt the need to NOTIFY her officially indicates that he had tried to discuss it with her and she did not agree with his decision.
So rather than have disagreements with her on the phone he just had his lawyer give her a soft NOTICE so that she would not act on her own.

If nicole felt that she had sufficent finances to sustain herself to the point where she did not want or need to work then that is good for her. But at some point that money would run out and she may have to in the end consider some way to create income. imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

You are trying so hard to put this on Nicole. OJ ALLOWED HER TO DO THIS. So, OJ was in on the "IRS Scam". He even said with his own mouth that he understood and it was okay for her to use his address. He said he was okay with it until AFTER THEY BROKE UP. He was being mean.

If they were going to move in together why would she sign a new lease? He agreed with that. If they were going to get back together why shouldn't she use his address until it happened? He agreed with that. He was all okay with everything until they broke up. Then he sends the letter. It was all about playing games. So, when you try to make Nicole look bad because of her "illegal IRS scam" you are also making OJ look bad because he was in on it. He notified her "officially" to piss her off. It worked.

Nicole's money was not going to end. She had property. She was getting income from the rental of her property. If she didn't want to, she didn't have to ever work again. If I had that option I would stay home with my kids until they were out of school.

[Martyrdom]

tazzy hi
Oj gave nicole a $550,000 sf condo when they were married. He gave her a $400,000 cash settlement and $10,000 monthly child support. I don't think he had any reason to be concerned about helping her with her finances and the IRS scam.

martin II

How many times you gonna mention these figures?

You keep talkin' about the IRS scam like he wasn't a part of it. We know he was cause he admitted that he said she could use his address. What part of all that seems to whiz by you?

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
Oj gave nicole a $550,000 sf condo when they were married. He gave her a $400,000 cash settlement and $10,000 monthly child support. I don't think he had any reason to be concerned about helping her with her finances and the IRS scam.

martin II


Then why did he help her in the first place with the "IRS scam"? He was in on it too. And, he has done many more illegal things before and after.

Nicole wasn't trying to scam anyone. OJ was in on it from the beginning (until he got mad and tried to punish her).

[Martyrdom]

I am still reading- but so far its Robins younger sister Liza (co author) is the full out call girl - but they all hang out together and run in the same crowd.
its a real eye opener of a read- u should check it out.:read:

So is Robin a call girl or no?