OJ's new Book

[goatgirl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wukong
[B]
*snip*

This is supposedly an excerpt from the book, Doesn't seem like the most credible site going by the address, but who knows:

face. Then I would have told Kato to stop off and get some more burgers at McDonalds because I would have been famished...had I committed the crimes. Because that **** takes a lot out of you."

LOL....that's so stink bomb bad, it can't be real!;)

~~Goatgirl~~

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by Wukong
The book has been removed from Ebay:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2006/11/23/entertainment/oj-book-removed-from-ebay.html&template=/entertainment/feeds/story_template.html



I am surprised the book even made it to Ebay!

when I logged on last night & saw 2 books for sale, one was going for over 1500 & the other was @ 850 dollars!

I am guessing whoever buys these books will make boot leg copies & sell them!

~~Goatgirl~~

[martin II]

Originally posted by Wukong
The book has been removed from Ebay:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2006/11/23/entertainment/oj-book-removed-from-ebay.html&template=/entertainment/feeds/story_template.html

wukong

At 8;am est today there were three offers

1. $3,500
2. $100.00
3. $31,100

on ebay
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by goatgirl




I am surprised the book even made it to Ebay!

when I logged on last night & saw 2 books for sale, one was going for over 1500 & the other was @ 850 dollars!

I am guessing whoever buys these books will make boot leg copies & sell them!

~~Goatgirl~~

G.G.

The barn door is already wide open.

martin II

[martin II]

Tazzy hi

Pablo Funjvis wrote the 'IF I DID IT' book but seems to have collected his $100,000 and moved on.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-pablo25nov25,1,1423673.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews

martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II

Pablo Funjvis wrote the 'IF I DID IT' book but seems to have collected his $100,000 and moved on.


It has not been cofirmed that he was paid $100,000.00. Did you also see that Simpson implied that maybe Pablo was the murderer? :rolleyes:

[Zold1]

Originally posted by socaldiva


It has not been cofirmed that he was paid $100,000.00. Did you also see that Simpson implied that maybe Pablo was the murderer? :rolleyes:

:eek:

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by Zold1


:eek:

It was in Martin's link on the prior page, but now I can't get it to open :shrug:

[jotun]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Posted on The Goldman's Website:

WE WON!

Thanks to you, the killer’s book will never see the light of day. His narcissistic and self-serving two-hour TV “special” won’t pollute the nation’s airwaves. America took a hard look at the filth Fox, Harper Collins, and Regan Publishing

And you did it! 58,395 of you signed Thousands of you flooded phone lines and e-mail boxes and let the nation’s media elite know how you felt. You stood up to them. And, like any other bully, they turned tail and ran. Your voices were heard!

Ron's Family

All:

Fred Goldman the
"King of All Media".
Thousands DECIDE for Millions.Total censorship. And destroying of books. Shades of Nazi Germany. Nazi tactics by the Goldmans.And they are so proud of themselves.But are still not satisfied.
Now they want the rights to the interview and the book.

Let me fill you in:
Sept 5 Goldman files a petition to seek the rights to O.J.'s image.
Essentialy to own him.
Got a speedy hearing
on Oct 17. Claim they are so offended that O.J. had signed helmets & jerseys 11 months prior. And that the years old 'Juiced' was shown. The judge rules tentively that O.J retains his right to his own image and then finally on Nov 2.
Goldman was so disappionted.
Since it's O.J., was so sure he would get O.J. for his very own.

IMO this was all ORCHESTRATED because they got wind of this book deal,from that lawyer.
If they get the rights to O.J. They will own ALL RIGHTS to the book etc.Then pretend that they just got lucky when it came out the end of Nov.Be in the MONEY.But their scheme didn't work.They LOST.So were left with nothing.Were livid. Boycotting wasn't good enough.BEGGED for thousands to protest and decide for us all.
Suceeded with the help of mostly battered women's groups to get a book banned after being published. 400.000.This is now, not enough. They want THE RIGHTS TO THE BOOK AND INTERVIEW. Want to sell it themselves.
Will say it wasn't as graphic as we thought.

All who believed and most of all RUBE-pert Murdock.

You got PUNKED !!!!!!!!!

jotun

[limakey]

Taz,

What I find interesting about this whole saga is that at least OJ Simpson called it for what it was and said why he joined the "jackals".

However, as disgusted as you may be at Simpson, your stomach had to be and probably should still be turning in regards to Judith Reagan's response to this. To say she did this with only Ron and Nicole in her heart is just a lie.

She is a very smart business woman, she would not be where she is today if she wasn't. She knew exactly what the reaction was going to be and she saw dollars and cents, not Ron and Nicole. IMO.

I also believe that several years ago, she had a book deal with the Browns. They wanted to write a book that mainly focused on domestic violence. When the publisher went to them and said they wanted all the "dirt" on Nicole and Simpson, they refused and the book deal fell apart.

The publisher knew exactly what was going to happen, however, I don't think she ever expected to be the one who became a target of the rage. After all, she made it clear that others had interviewed other criminals and did not get treated the way she has been treated.

She even lost her little buddy Mark Fuhrman. She published his books---now even Marky has turned on her.

The publisher is crying all the way to the bank. IMO.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
Tazzy hi

Pablo Funjvis wrote the 'IF I DID IT' book but seems to have collected his $100,000 and moved on.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-pablo25nov25,1,1423673.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews

martin II

Hi Martin,

He's a ghostwriter. He was before this ever happened. He was paid much, much less than Simpson. And, he isn't hiding the money.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by limakey
Taz,

What I find interesting about this whole saga is that at least OJ Simpson called it for what it was and said why he joined the "jackals".

However, as disgusted as you may be at Simpson, your stomach had to be and probably should still be turning in regards to Judith Reagan's response to this. To say she did this with only Ron and Nicole in her heart is just a lie.

She is a very smart business woman, she would not be where she is today if she wasn't. She knew exactly what the reaction was going to be and she saw dollars and cents, not Ron and Nicole. IMO.

I also believe that several years ago, she had a book deal with the Browns. They wanted to write a book that mainly focused on domestic violence. When the publisher went to them and said they wanted all the "dirt" on Nicole and Simpson, they refused and the book deal fell apart.

*snip*


I am disgusted with Reagan also. But, Simpson could have/should have stopped this or never even done it. This is all on Simpson. I can't believe that he would do this even knowing that it would be considered blood money. Do you think it's noble of him to "fess up" to that? I don't. It makes him look even worse. There is no level he won't stoop to in order to make money.

The Browns took the high road. Simpson did not.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


I am disgusted with Reagan also. But, Simpson could have/should have stopped this or never even done it. This is all on Simpson. I can't believe that he would do this even knowing that it would be considered blood money. Do you think it's noble of him to "fess up" to that? I don't. It makes him look even worse. There is no level he won't stoop to in order to make money.

The Browns took the high road. Simpson did not.

TAZZY HI

What about the person that actually wrote the book P fUNJVIS.

Do you belive Regan brought him in to write the book?

martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


All:

Fred Goldman the
"King of All Media".
Thousands DECIDE for Millions.Total censorship. And destroying of books. Shades of Nazi Germany. Nazi tactics by the Goldmans.And they are so proud of themselves.But are still not satisfied.
Now they want the rights to the interview and the book.

*snip*

All who believed and most of all RUBE-pert Murdock.

You got PUNKED !!!!!!!!!

jotun

I believe that the Goldman's did have an idea that something like this was going to happen. But, they did not think he should profit from their child's death. Just like most people in the country. This was proven by the response to Simpson's book coming out.

It amazes me the lengths that some people will go to try and paint the Goldman's out to be the one's after money. OJ admitted that he would do anything for money and that it was indeed blood money but you guys still think it's all about the Goldman's trying to profit. They DO NOT want OJ to profit off of these murders. And, I do not believe he should either. I would go to the same lengths if it were my child.

If they were only after money, then they wouldn't have turned the money down that they were offerred. And, they surely wouldn't have tried to get the book stopped. Why are they trying to DESTROY all copies instead of trying to sell them themselves?

OJ is the only one to blame for all of this. He is the father of the victims' children. He should never ever even consider anything like that ever again. Place the blame where it lies.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


TAZZY HI

What about the person that actually wrote the book P fUNJVIS.

Do you belive Regan brought him in to write the book?

martin II

They were already partners. Simpson gave interviews. Simpson can't even spell let alone write anything. Of course someone else had to put it in sentences. Simpson didn't care who he hurt or upset. He only wanted money. He is underhanded and dispicable.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by jotun
SNIPPED

All:

Fred Goldman the
"King of All Media".
Thousands DECIDE for Millions.Total censorship. And destroying of books. Shades of Nazi Germany. Nazi tactics by the Goldmans.

Boycotting wasn't good enough.BEGGED for thousands to protest and decide for us all.
Suceeded with the help of mostly battered women's groups to get a book banned after being published.

Boycotting Fox, it's advertisers, Judith Regan, and the sellers of "If I Did It" is not censorship!

Only the government can censor. Consumers are free to buy what they want and companies are free to carry or not carry a book. I don't see anyone advocating government interference here.

Please provide me with the information that shows that it was mostly battered women's groups that protested.

Kate

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


They were already partners. Simpson gave interviews. Simpson can't even spell let alone write anything. Of course someone else had to put it in sentences. Simpson didn't care who he hurt or upset. He only wanted money. He is underhanded and dispicable.

tazzy hi

I believe Regan arranged for Pablo to ghost write the book. That she arranged for fox to air the interview and that she got the publishing company to print the book. Do you believe that oj did all of this?

martin II

[martin II]

jotun

You are correct Goldman was able to get about 58,000 people to sign a petition that he claims spoke for all americans.imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II
jotun

You are correct Goldman was able to get about 58,000 people to sign a petition that he claims spoke for all americans.imo
martin II

Do you really believe that the signatures on the Goldmans' petition is the only reason why the book and interview were cancelled?

Thousands of Americans on multiple forums (FOX, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc) expressed their outrage and protests.

Obviously many more people spoke out against the project than spoke out in support of it or we'd be dealing with an interview airing and a book being published.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

I believe Regan arranged for Pablo to ghost write the book. That she arranged for fox to air the interview and that she got the publishing company to print the book. Do you believe that oj did all of this?

martin II

None of it would have ever happened without OJ. OJ stated himself that it was blood money and he'd do anything for money.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


None of it would have ever happened without OJ. OJ stated himself that it was blood money and he'd do anything for money.

tazzy hi

i am not sure of you answered my post. do you believe that regan put this deal togeather or do you belive oj did.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
jotun

You are correct Goldman was able to get about 58,000 people to sign a petition that he claims spoke for all americans.imo
martin II

The 58000 people weren't the only ones to object. Not everyone knew about the site. I don't believe that the petition was the deciding factor.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

i am not sure of you answered my post. do you believe that regan put this deal togeather or do you belive oj did.
martin II

Yes, my answer is that none of it would happen without OJ. So, OJ is responsible whether he physically wrote it or had someone else write it. OJ took blood money and admitted to it.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


None of it would have ever happened without OJ. OJ stated himself that it was blood money and he'd do anything for money.

TAZZY
HI

Everyone that was involved was involved for money. Fred is involved for money . fred does not care if it was blood money or not . his lawyers are tring to get their hands on it blood money or not.imo

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


They were already partners. Simpson gave interviews. Simpson can't even spell let alone write anything. Of course someone else had to put it in sentences. Simpson didn't care who he hurt or upset. He only wanted money. He is underhanded and dispicable.


"They were already partners".

tazzy

who was already partners??
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


TAZZY
HI

Everyone that was involved was involved for money. Fred is involved for money . fred does not care if it was blood money or not . his lawyers are tring to get their hands on it blood money or not.imo

martin II

No, that's not true. Fred didn't accept money. He wanted it shut down. He didn't want the book to be sold. He didn't want the special shown. He didn't want the murderer to make money off of his dead son. He DID NOT TAKE THE MONEY. Fred has nothing to do with this except to shut it down.

You are not realizing the BIG DIFFERENCE between OJ's role and the authors/publisher. OJ was found liable of the murders. He is responsible for their deaths. No one else. Not Regan and not Pablo. They weren't accused of killing her. They also don't have children with her.

Simpson is the lowest of the low.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II



"They were already partners".

tazzy

who was already partners??
martin II

Pablo and Regan. They had already worked together and continue to work together. That's how he came to be the one to "ghostwrite" for the project.

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by tazzybaby
*snip*

No, that's not true. Fred didn't accept money. He wanted it shut down. He didn't want the book to be sold. He didn't want the special shown. He didn't want the murderer to make money off of his dead son. He DID NOT TAKE THE MONEY. Fred has nothing to do with this except to shut it down.



Also, the Brown's said they turned down millions from the network.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

i am not sure of you answered my post. do you believe that regan put this deal togeather or do you belive oj did.
martin II

According to OJ himself, neither he nor Regan put the deal together. OJ states that a guy who he refuses to identify brought the proposal to one of his family members. OJ states that he had never even spoken to Regan before she conducted the interview.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15851678/

Kate

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel
*snip*

According to OJ himself, neither he nor Regan put the deal together.

But can we believe ANYTHING Simpson says? lol. I thought Regan said that "the killer" contacted her. :shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by socaldiva


But can we believe ANYTHING Simpson says? lol. I thought Regan said that "the killer" contacted her. :shrug:

Hey Friend,

I suppose I should have placed a ;) at the conclusion of my post to express how I felt.

I posted the link only because martin II has posted numerous times regarding his belief that Regan approached OJ with the deal and that Regan is quite the shady lady (pardon the rhyme, it's unintentional). martin II wanted someone to provide proof that Regan did not go to OJ with the proposal, so I'm offering him his proof ~ straight from the mouth of OJ himself.

Kate

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


Hey Friend,

I suppose I should have placed a ;) at the conclusion of my post to express how I felt.

I posted the link only because martin II has posted numerous times regarding his belief that Regan approached OJ with the deal and that Regan is quite the shady lady (pardon the rhyme, it's unintentional). martin II wanted someone to provide proof that Regan did not go to OJ with the proposal, so I'm offering him his proof ~ straight from the mouth of OJ himself.

Kate

Oh, ok. I guess I missed that part. I'm sure Martin will believe it if "The Juice" says it's so :D

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Oh, ok. I guess I missed that part. I'm sure Martin will believe it if "The Juice" says it's so :D

It's in another thread, but I found it fitting to post here since he recently asked Tazzy who she believes initiated the proposal.

I am already rankled enough listening to nonsense about "censorship" from individuals who apparently have no interest in looking up the definition. I believe one person went as far as to post that it's a "nazi action"

I can only shake my head.

Kate

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Pablo and Regan. They had already worked together and continue to work together. That's how he came to be the one to "ghostwrite" for the project.

tazzy hi

ok so we agree on that. i assume that you agree that the fox interview and the publishing company involvement had to be regan also.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


No, that's not true. Fred didn't accept money. He wanted it shut down. He didn't want the book to be sold. He didn't want the special shown. He didn't want the murderer to make money off of his dead son. He DID NOT TAKE THE MONEY. Fred has nothing to do with this except to shut it down.

You are not realizing the BIG DIFFERENCE between OJ's role and the authors/publisher. OJ was found liable of the murders. He is responsible for their deaths. No one else. Not Regan and not Pablo. They weren't accused of killing her. They also don't have children with her.

Simpson is the lowest of the low.

tazzy

i understand that fred turned down the money offered by the publisher. but at the same time his lawyers said that they are going after the money oj got if they can find it. right.
imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy

i understand that fred turned down the money offered by the publisher. but at the same time his lawyers said that they are going after the money oj got if they can find it. right.
imo
martin II

More than likely in an attempt not to allow the man that murdered their son to profit from his crime.

Kate

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy

i understand that fred turned down the money offered by the publisher. but at the same time his lawyers said that they are going after the money oj got if they can find it. right.
imo
martin II and good luck to the Goldmans in that quest.

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
and good luck to the Goldmans in that quest.


As in all of his other money grabbing efforts, he will be left with the same empty cup in his hand. imo.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II



As in all of his other money grabbing efforts, he will be left with the same empty cup in his hand. imo.
martin II that's a really harsh thing to say when it has been shown that it is not Fred Goldman but orenthal that is money grabbing............But then, the man did butcher two people why should I be surprised that he doesn't have a problem with the crap he's doing to make money off of it? Orenthal was whining about Goldman keeping him broke with the legal stuff.....woo-hoo.............go Fred!

Hey, on a lighter note, I think orenthal looks younger than he has been. Guess that weight gain has puffed out the wrinkles. :tongue:

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
that's a really harsh thing to say when it has been shown that it is not Fred Goldman but orenthal that is money grabbing............But then, the man did butcher two people why should I be surprised that he doesn't have a problem with the crap he's doing to make money off of it? Orenthal was whining about Goldman keeping him broke with the legal stuff.....woo-hoo.............go Fred!

Hey, on a lighter note, I think orenthal looks younger than he has been. Guess that weight gain has puffed out the wrinkles. :tongue:

fbg




hhhmmmm you got some experience on how to deal with wrinkles, right?
martin II

[jotun]

Originally posted by martin II



As in all of his other money grabbing efforts, he will be left with the same empty cup in his hand. imo.
martin II

Martin,
Let's HOPE.
The Goldman family wrote a book to profit from Ron's death.
BLOOD-MONEY.
'His Name is Ron'
In reality it was to profit from Nicole's.
IMO--- If Mrs. Brown had keept her glasses on. Ron would have been killed somewhere else.
Drug-dealers are killed everyday and few care.

jotun

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II

fbg
hhhmmmm you got some experience on how to deal with wrinkles, right?
martin II

This from the very poster that was talking about others making snide remarks. :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by jotun
*snip*

Ron would have been killed somewhere else.
Drug-dealers are killed everyday and few care.

jotun

Please provide a link to Ron Goldman being a drug dealer.

[martin II]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin,
Let's HOPE.
The Goldman family wrote a book to profit from Ron's death.
BLOOD-MONEY.
'His Name is Ron'
In reality it was to profit from Nicole's.
IMO--- If Mrs. Brown had keept her glasses on. Ron would have been killed somewhere else.
Drug-dealers are killed everyday and few care.

jotun

JOTUN

Thanks

Fred seems to be colecting money in several ways and all of it is related to the deaths of his son and nicole.

martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II


JOTUN

Thanks

Fred seems to be colecting money in several ways and all of it is related to the deaths of his son and nicole.

martin II

Link to Fred "colecting money in several ways".

[Suzee10]

Originally posted by Americ@nBe@utyX
www.dontpayoj.com

I signed the petition.


Hi ABX,

Have not seen or heard from you in a long while. I also signed this petition. It was sent to me by Jo Gillette form Gamaru Productions. She is the lady that is working on the tv show "Predators " with Denise Brown.

Good to see you.

Suzee10

[Suzee10]

Originally posted by Heyes


Not at all. He has the right to write it. But we have the right to protest.


I totally agree, and I did protest.

Suzee10

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II



As in all of his other money grabbing efforts, he will be left with the same empty cup in his hand. imo.
martin II

Yes, I can see how a die-hard "Juice" fan like yourself may have that type of mental capacity to assume that a man does not have the right to be angry, vengeful, and unwavering in his pursuit toward a narcissistic sociopath who murdered his only son and then takes every opportunity he has to sit back, prop his feet up, and make fun of the crime.

It never ceases to amaze me, by the way, of just how many people live in glass houses yet continue to throw stones.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

ok so we agree on that. i assume that you agree that the fox interview and the publishing company involvement had to be regan also.

martin II

No, this is still on OJ. I don't care who wrote it or who promoted it. It would not have been without OJ.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


More than likely in an attempt not to allow the man that murdered their son to profit from his crime.

Kate

I agree.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin,
Let's HOPE.
The Goldman family wrote a book to profit from Ron's death.
BLOOD-MONEY.
'His Name is Ron'
In reality it was to profit from Nicole's.
IMO--- If Mrs. Brown had keept her glasses on. Ron would have been killed somewhere else.
Drug-dealers are killed everyday and few care.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

OJ wrote a book before the Goldman's. OJ has profited more than anyone on the deaths of Ron and Nicole. In reality OJ only cares about himself.

And, when a book is written with the title of "his name is Ron" then it doesn't seem like a blood money book. They weren't writing it in a Tabloid way. They wrote it out of love. Unlike OJ......he will accept blood money and admit to it with no regrets. He will go to a horror convention to make a few bucks. He will laugh about the murders by pretending to sell a bronco.

Had Juditha forgotten her glasses....Nicole would have been the sole victim.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Jotun,

OJ wrote a book before the Goldman's. OJ has profited more than anyone on the deaths of Ron and Nicole. In reality OJ only cares about himself.

And, when a book is written with the title of "his name is Ron" then it doesn't seem like a blood money book. They weren't writing it in a Tabloid way. They wrote it out of love. Unlike OJ......he will accept blood money and admit to it with no regrets. He will go to a horror convention to make a few bucks. He will laugh about the murders by pretending to sell a bronco.

Had Juditha forgotten her glasses....Nicole would have been the sole victim.


tazzy hi
Nets hot for juicy
interview with O.J.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/475253p-399767c.html

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Jotun,

OJ wrote a book before the Goldman's. OJ has profited more than anyone on the deaths of Ron and Nicole. In reality OJ only cares about himself.

And, when a book is written with the title of "his name is Ron" then it doesn't seem like a blood money book. They weren't writing it in a Tabloid way. They wrote it out of love. Unlike OJ......he will accept blood money and admit to it with no regrets. He will go to a horror convention to make a few bucks. He will laugh about the murders by pretending to sell a bronco.

Had Juditha forgotten her glasses....Nicole would have been the sole victim.

tazzy hi

it does not matter who wrote a book first. many people have written books about this case and all were written with making money as the motive. some claim other motives but the bottom line is they all took money for their efforts.

no one, as far as i know wrote a book and gave it away free to the public.

Fred is not the only one that makes speeches about the case for
speaking fees. Denise does the same. imo

martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II



tazzy hi
Nets hot for juicy
interview with O.J.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/475253p-399767c.html

martin II

LOL!!! I don't and won't ever believe anything Galanter says regarding OJ. He simply doesn't know. Or he lies.

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

it does not matter who wrote a book first. many people have written books about this case and all were written with making money as the motive. some claim other motives but the bottom line is they all took money for their efforts.

no one, as far as i know wrote a book and gave it away free to the public.

Fred is not the only one that makes speeches about the case for
speaking fees. Denise does the same. imo

martin II

Well, it does matter who wrote a book first. So, you admit that OJ made money first off of the murders? Even before he was acquitted but then found liable? It was in poor taste that he wrote the book in jail also. If he wanted to address the public why didn't he get on the stand like he said (I'll put IMO since I still haven't been able to find a link)? Because he took the low road as always.

If the Goldman's book was written solely for money making in mind they wouldn't have named it "His name was Ron" and they would have made it in tabloid form. There is no comparison between OJ's books and the Goldman's. None. OJ is a slime who took blood money. The Goldman's received money in Justice's name. Big Difference.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Well, it does matter who wrote a book first. So, you admit that OJ made money first off of the murders? Even before he was acquitted but then found liable? It was in poor taste that he wrote the book in jail also. If he wanted to address the public why didn't he get on the stand like he said (I'll put IMO since I still haven't been able to find a link)? Because he took the low road as always.

If the Goldman's book was written solely for money making in mind they wouldn't have named it "His name was Ron" and they would have made it in tabloid form. There is no comparison between OJ's books and the Goldman's. None. OJ is a slime who took blood money. The Goldman's received money in Justice's name. Big Difference.

tazzy hi
that excuse i do not accept.

it does not matter who wrote the first book. people gave their books different titles based on what they thought would attract buyers and in most cases the publishers had last say on the titles.

But the bottom line is that they all put their names on books for money. I don't remember anyone putting out a free book or giving all the money to say SAVE THE CHILDREN, RED CROSS OR THE HOMELESS IN LA.

All the money went into their bank accounts and many got rich from their ventures. So all of them took blood money and are still doing it. imo

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


LOL!!! I don't and won't ever believe anything Galanter says regarding OJ. He simply doesn't know. Or he lies.

:seeya:

well again we will have to see.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


well again we will have to see.
martin II Are you guys talking about the same Galanter that said there wasn't a book? That Galanter? LOL

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
that excuse i do not accept.

it does not matter who wrote the first book. people gave their books different titles based on what they thought would attract buyers and in most cases the publishers had last say on the titles.

But the bottom line is that they all put their names on books for money. I don't remember anyone putting out a free book or giving all the money to say SAVE THE CHILDREN, RED CROSS OR THE HOMELESS IN LA.

All the money went into their bank accounts and many got rich from their ventures. So all of them took blood money and are still doing it. imo

martin II

Hi Martin,

What excuse? There is no excuse. It does matter who wrote the book first. Especially the way that OJ did his. The Goldman's did not give their book the title "His name was Ron" to attract buyers. That's crazy. That's not what would sell. It wasn't about money. It was about Ron. The Goldman's did NOT accept blood money. The two do NOT compare in any way at all. The Goldman's did not write Tabloid material.....

This book is not about OJ. Simpson or his "Dream Team." This book is not another rehash of the "Trial of the Century." It is about Ron Golman and his blended family. Overnight and through tragedy, this quiet, closely knit family became enmeshed in one of the ugliest and most controversial crimes in recent history. The Goldmans provide a wrenching account, in their own words, of the ripple effect that occurs when a beloved family member is murdered, and the extra burdens that develop when grief becomes a public spectacle. But, more important, the family puts a name, a face, a soul, to the young man referred to in the press only as "a friend of..." or "a part-time waiter and sometime model."

http://cgi.ebay.com/True-Crime-HIS-NAME-IS-RON-the-Ron-Goldman-family-speak_W0QQitemZ180054816469QQcmdZViewItem

These two books do not compare in any way. Simpson admitted he was after blood money. The Goldman's book in no way is blood money. In no way.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Are you guys talking about the same Galanter that said there wasn't a book? That Galanter? LOL

Hi fbg,

Yep! That's the same one! He either helped Simpson hide the money or he truly didn't know. So, either he lied or he didn't know. Either way, Galanter is no longer a credible source of information regarding Simpson.

[weezer]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi fbg,

Yep! That's the same one! He either helped Simpson hide the money or he truly didn't know. So, either he lied or he didn't know. Either way, Galanter is no longer a credible source of information regarding Simpson. OH NO! You don't think orenthal lied to him, do you? ;) And, then he lied to the public? ;) Oh my! what an ugly state of affairs when you can't even believe the lawyer! :D

[jotun]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


Boycotting Fox, it's advertisers, Judith Regan, and the sellers of "If I Did It" is not censorship!

Consumers are free to buy what they want

Kate

All

Apparently IS.
We are NOT free to buy the book.
Have read this is the first time EVER in the U.S. that a published book 400,000 is banned.
Boycotting is fine.There is nothing to boycot. The book and interview have been censored.BANNED.

But, I will join you BOYCOTTING News Corp.
Fox [Hen] their adversizers Regan RUBE-pert Murdoch etc.
They have managed to make everybody MAD.

jotun

[jotun]

[i]Originally posted by tazzybaby

The Browns took the high road.

[/B]

All
That "high road' titled 'RAGING HEART'that they recieved 200,000 to 500,000 for. Or maybe you mean when they SOLD topless photos of Nicole and her "diary"to the tabloids and many stories.[The Brown sisters were having sex with one of the writers.]Or maybe when they took the kids out to the grave for a paid photo-op for Life-mag.Or displayed the kids for the tabloid.Or maybe when they sold the WEDDING-VIDEO and many stories to the tabloid-shows.Or maybe when they took money from the public as Denise is still doing.IMO

jotun

[martin II]

Originally posted by jotun


All

Apparently IS.
We are NOT free to buy the book.
Have read this is the first time EVER in the U.S. that a published book 400,000 is banned.
Boycotting is fine.There is nothing to boycot. The book and interview have been censored.BANNED.

But, I will join you BOYCOTTING News Corp.
Fox [Hen] their adversizers Regan RUBE-pert Murdoch etc.
They have managed to make everybody MAD.

jotun

jotun
according to some here, Americans have a new MORAL leader in old Fred. One of the first to sell a BLOOD MONEY book so he could make money using the sympathy of Americans.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by jotun


All
That "high road' titled 'RAGING HEART'that they recieved 200,000 to 500,000 for. Or maybe you mean when they SOLD topless photos of Nicole and her "diary"to the tabloids and many stories.[The Brown sisters were having sex with one of the writers.]Or maybe when they took the kids out to the grave for a paid photo-op for Life-mag.Or displayed the kids for the tabloid.Or maybe when they sold the WEDDING-VIDEO and many stories to the tabloid-shows.Or maybe when they took money from the public as Denise is still doing.IMO

jotun

well before nicols death oj was supporting the whole browns household. So i guess they had to try to sell what they had to make money. regardless of what it was.
I wonder what nicole would have thought about them selling the topless photos. imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II
*snip*
I wonder what nicole would have thought about them selling the topless photos. imo
martin II

How many times are you going to ask this question?? My guess is she felt far worse being cheated on, beaten & murdered & having her killer raise the kids & write a book about the murder. Geesh!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

tazzy hi
that excuse i do not accept.

it does not matter who wrote the first book. people gave their books different titles based on what they thought would attract buyers and in most cases the publishers had last say on the titles.

But the bottom line is that they all put their names on books for money. I don't remember anyone putting out a free book or giving all the money to say SAVE THE CHILDREN, RED CROSS OR THE HOMELESS IN LA.

All the money went into their bank accounts and many got rich from their ventures. So all of them took blood money and are still doing it. imo

martin II
How about turning it around rayray! This is how I see it:

"But the bottom line is that OJ put his name on books for money. I don't remember OJ putting out a free book or giving all the money to say SAVE THE CHILDREN, RED CROSS OR THE HOMELESS IN LA."

"All the money went into OJ's bank account and he got rich from their ventures. So OJ took blood money and is still doing it."

JMO and MOO!!

[Wukong]

Speaking of books, looks like OJ's former bodyguard now has one. At least he will do the right thing with the profits:

100% of the sale of this book will be donated!!!

50% to the Browns
50% to the Goldmans

A man in search of the meaning of life
winds up working for a man accused of taking life.


http://cgi.ebay.com/O-J-Simpson-You-want-to-see-and-hear-the-real-truth_W0QQitemZ110059543172QQihZ001QQcategoryZ377Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

[weezer]

Originally posted by Wukong
Speaking of books, looks like OJ's former bodyguard now has one. At least he will do the right thing with the profits:

100% of the sale of this book will be donated!!!

50% to the Browns
50% to the Goldmans

A man in search of the meaning of life
winds up working for a man accused of taking life.


http://cgi.ebay.com/O-J-Simpson-You-want-to-see-and-hear-the-real-truth_W0QQitemZ110059543172QQihZ001QQcategoryZ377Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Have you been able to read any excerpts from it?

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Have you been able to read any excerpts from it?

weezer
it seems that many people have different motives for writing books on this subject and many gimmicks for selling it.

When people say profits will be donated to charity i think about one group called vietnam vets or osmething close to that that collect donations from americans and donates profits which amounts to 10% of what if donated after 90% goes to 'ADMINISTRATIVE COST"

The contents of this IF I DID IT book will be all over the internet
and maby even published in book form by others. So why would someone pay $2,000 or $31,000 for it.:shrug:

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by Wukong
Speaking of books, looks like OJ's former bodyguard now has one. At least he will do the right thing with the profits:

100% of the sale of this book will be donated!!!

50% to the Browns
50% to the Goldmans

A man in search of the meaning of life
winds up working for a man accused of taking life.


http://cgi.ebay.com/O-J-Simpson-You-want-to-see-and-hear-the-real-truth_W0QQitemZ110059543172QQihZ001QQcategoryZ377Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

wukong
Do you believe the browns and goldmans will reject his offer of money from the sale of the book?
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by jotun


All

Apparently IS.
We are NOT free to buy the book.
Have read this is the first time EVER in the U.S. that a published book 400,000 is banned.
Boycotting is fine.There is nothing to boycot. The book and interview have been censored.BANNED.

But, I will join you BOYCOTTING News Corp.
Fox [Hen] their adversizers Regan RUBE-pert Murdoch etc.
They have managed to make everybody MAD.

jotun

Please look up the meaning of the word censorship. It is a serious word that should not be thrown around by an indivual who has not the slightest idea of what it means (that would be you).

Only the government can censor!

If O.J. Simpson wants to staple together his piece of garbage story and hand it out on the streetcorner, the government won't stop him. In fact, the government will protect him if anyone tries to interfere. If O.J. wants to tell his "story" to the media, they'll disperse it without charging him a penny. That's his right.

The government hasn't banned his book, no one can stop him from shopping it around or creating his own personal website to sell it. But News Corp made a practical business decision based on the fact that many more individuals spoke out against this project than spoke for it.

It happens everyday, and let me ask you if you're outraged that it happens everyday or just in this particular case because you can't race to the bookstore to grab the first copy and hang on every word that your beloved "Juice" has to say?

Kate

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


All
That "high road' titled 'RAGING HEART'that they recieved 200,000 to 500,000 for. Or maybe you mean when they SOLD topless photos of Nicole and her "diary"to the tabloids and many stories.[The Brown sisters were having sex with one of the writers.]Or maybe when they took the kids out to the grave for a paid photo-op for Life-mag.Or displayed the kids for the tabloid.Or maybe when they sold the WEDDING-VIDEO and many stories to the tabloid-shows.Or maybe when they took money from the public as Denise is still doing.IMO

jotun

Yes, they took the high road. They didn't sell the diary to the tabloids. They sold them, but not to the tabloids. I am glad that they did so that we could see the truth. They had lawyers to pay regarding the civil suit and etc. They felt their choice was okay. Once the public made a big deal about them receiving money they haven't done it since. They were also deeply offended by the suggestion. And, your tirade regarding Denise does not hold water. Prove that she is doing anything bad in regard to her Domestic Violence organization. Seriously. Her organization has helped many people in bad situations. Neither of the victims families have made jokes regarding the murders.

OJ just keeps going and going and going. And, he doesn't even feel bad about doing it. He only cares about himself. That's it. What all has OJ done? A book BEFORE anyone else. But, yet won't get on the stand. A video. Jokes regarding the get away vehicle and more. Another book. And, he doesn't feel bad at all.

If Denise was such a money grubber then why didn't she take the money from the publishing company? She is not entitled to any money received from the Civil Judgement. So, she would have definately taken money if that's what she's after.

Your argument holds no water.

"New York attorney John Q. Kelly, who represents Simpson's children, Sydney, 21, and Justin, 18, on behalf of the estate of their mother, also said he is looking into revenue from the book.

"Ironically, if I find that he's done something in the kids' interest, I wouldn't do anything," Kelly said. "If he put it in a house or part of a trust in the kids' name or a joint account with the kids or joint tenants in an account, why would I get involved in going after it?"

He added that Lou Brown, Nicole Brown Simpson's father, is the executor of the estate and makes all decisions involving the children."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i7be4e4a2f0b118db0bf10a60d3bd47e8

So, if it's something good for the kids then they won't go after it. Hmmm.....they're so money hungry.

OJ is the slime not the victims families.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


wukong
Do you believe the browns and goldmans will reject his offer of money from the sale of the book?
martin II

Any money that the Browns would receive would to to the Estate of the children. So, hopefully they won't reject it.

And, the Goldman's still owe Attorney fee's. So, they're money will go there first anyways.

:rolleyes:

[Kate Sachel]

I'd also like to point out that, in my opinion, there is a huge difference between a murderer writing a book to profit off of his crime, and the family of a murder victim recieving money for writing about their experiences in the justice system, and the life of the loved one that they lost.

Kate

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Any money that the Browns would receive would to to the Estate of the children. So, hopefully they won't reject it.

And, the Goldman's still owe Attorney fee's. So, they're money will go there first anyways.

:rolleyes:

tazzy hi

so why did the browns reject the money from the publisher. That would also have gone to the children.

1. the publishing company pays some 'BROKER' and it is said that
ojs children received some of the money along with the ghost
writer that actually made up the words in the book.
So i assume that his money went into a trust for the children.

2. Denise turns down money from the publisher that would have
gone to the children's trust and secured their financial future.

So denise is the one that decides if the children get money or
not . not them or their dad.. imo

The oj affair was a hugh gravey train created by the media. people came out of the woodwork seeking a way to be included in the money making activities.

Regardless of what they say, they ALL were writing books and making speeches to make money. Bottom line is that they all were just greedy people jumping on the gravey train. imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

Some of ojs assets were sold before he left Brentwood and i assume divided between the Browns and Fred. I assume that the money that the browns received went to a trust for the kids.

since lou is the executor of this trust, is he spending this money on the kids?
imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

so why did the browns reject the money from the publisher. That would also have gone to the children.

1. the publishing company pays some 'BROKER' and it is said that
ojs children received some of the money along with the ghost
writer that actually made up the words in the book.
So i assume that his money went into a trust for the children.

2. Denise turns down money from the publisher that would have
gone to the children's trust and secured their financial future.

So denise is the one that decides if the children get money or
not . not them or their dad.. imo

The oj affair was a hugh gravey train created by the media. people came out of the woodwork seeking a way to be included in the money making activities.

Regardless of what they say, they ALL were writing books and making speeches to make money. Bottom line is that they all were just greedy people jumping on the gravey train. imo
martin II

She didn't take the money because it was HUSH money. She didn't take the money because it was wrong! It was also wrong for OJ to profit off the murders in any way. But, they won't go after what LITTLE money he gave to the kids. They will go after the rest.

And, why didn't OJ deposit it into the Estate? It goes to the kids. That would be the right thing to do. But, he has to lie and sneak and hide to get any money.

The key to your last paragraph is WERE. The Browns wrote/sold in the beginning and didn't do ANYTHING else after that. The Goldman's wrote ONE book. Nothing else. They are not in the same catagory as OJ. No matter how much you try and make it look like it is the same. OJ has been doing many many different things to make money. Blood money. He is slime.

The difference is as Kate explained it.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
tazzy hi

Some of ojs assets were sold before he left Brentwood and i assume divided between the Browns and Fred. I assume that the money that the browns received went to a trust for the kids.

since lou is the executor of this trust, is he spending this money on the kids?
imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

Yes, you're right. The money is for the kids. It is spent only on the kids. Lou Brown has also helped to keep some of OJ's assets for the kids inheritance.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel
I'd also like to point out that, in my opinion, there is a huge difference between a murderer writing a book to profit off of his crime, and the family of a murder victim recieving money for writing about their experiences in the justice system, and the life of the loved one that they lost.

Kate

I completely agree with you, Kate!

:beer:

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

Yes, you're right. The money is for the kids. It is spent only on the kids. Lou Brown has also helped to keep some of OJ's assets for the kids inheritance.

tazzy hi
spent on the kids for what??
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


I completely agree with you, Kate!

:beer:

tazzy hi

all of them wrote books for money. all of them gave different reasons for writing their books so as not to appear greedy. But in the end they all wrote books to make money. Otherwise they all could have donated the profits to chairty or to nicoles and ojs kids, But none did. They are all the same. imo

martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

oj did say some money went to the kids. remember the publisher did not pay oj directly. I think the pay orders were made by the broker to the kids accounts. imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
spent on the kids for what??
martin II

Hi Martin,

I don't have a list of what the money has been spent on. Neither does anyone else except those involved. What's your point? Don't be coy. They do not spend any money on anything from the Estate except on the kids.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

all of them wrote books for money. all of them gave different reasons for writing their books so as not to appear greedy. But in the end they all wrote books to make money. Otherwise they all could have donated the profits to chairty or to nicoles and ojs kids, But none did. They are all the same. imo

martin II

Hi Martin,

No, they are not the same.

OJ is still going. He killed them and is trying to profit off of it. He was found liable for their deaths. He should not profit off of it. He even admitted it was Blood Money. There is a definate difference.

[Kayleighjo]

Originally posted by martin II
tazzy hi

oj did say some money went to the kids. remember the publisher did not pay oj directly. I think the pay orders were made by the broker to the kids accounts. imo
martin II

Hi rayraytwo! ... er, uh I mean martin II!

Of course they didn't pay OJ directly or he'd have had to turn the money on over rather than be able to squirrel it away to purposely avoid paying a creditor, which is called FRAUD by the way.

[weezer]

*Snipped*Originally posted by martin II
so why did the browns reject the money from the publisher. That would also have gone to the children. why would monies paid to the Browns have gone to children?

[weezer]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

I don't have a list of what the money has been spent on. Neither does anyone else except those involved. What's your point? Don't be coy. They do not spend any money on anything from the Estate except on the kids. how would there be money in Nicole's "Estate" when the Butcher has never paid anything?

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
how would there be money in Nicole's "Estate" when the Butcher has never paid anything?

Hi fbg,

There are some assets of OJ's that are the property of the "Estate". And, there were some items sold in the beginning. So, most of the money was put into the Nicole Brown Simpson Estate for the children. The rest went to the Goldman's. But, it isn't very much. But, with interest it's more now than before. I'm not sure what else is in the Estate since stuff like that is not made public.

[weezer]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi fbg,

There are some assets of OJ's that are the property of the "Estate". And, there were some items sold in the beginning. So, most of the money was put into the Nicole Brown Simpson Estate for the children. The rest went to the Goldman's. But, it isn't very much. But, with interest it's more now than before. I'm not sure what else is in the Estate since stuff like that is not made public. thanks -- I was just making the point that there couldn't be much of an "Estate" when the Butcher had never paid the judgment.

[weezer]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
thanks -- I was just making the point that there couldn't be much of an "Estate" when the Butcher had never paid the judgment.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
thanks -- I was just making the point that there couldn't be much of an "Estate" when the Butcher had never paid the judgment.

oops

lol....okay

I do agree.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi fbg,

There are some assets of OJ's that are the property of the "Estate". And, there were some items sold in the beginning. So, most of the money was put into the Nicole Brown Simpson Estate for the children. The rest went to the Goldman's. But, it isn't very much. But, with interest it's more now than before. I'm not sure what else is in the Estate since stuff like that is not made public.



tazzy hi

I thought it wa split.

That trophy along baught $220,00.00 there was art work etc.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
how would there be money in Nicole's "Estate" when the Butcher has never paid anything?

weezer
you seem to be kinda slow on the uptake. money was put in the estate.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
*Snipped* why would monies paid to the Browns have gone to children?


weeze

all assets received by the browns from the judgement goes to the estate for the children
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

I don't have a list of what the money has been spent on. Neither does anyone else except those involved. What's your point? Don't be coy. They do not spend any money on anything from the Estate except on the kids.

tazzy hi
you caught me
haha
I was wondering if lou was paying his mortage from that money.
martin II

[jotun]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy
I was wondering if lou was paying his mortage from that money.
martin II


Martin-All
Bet they were when the kids lived with them.The Browns charged Nicole's estate for dinners and even tires.
Was alot of money from Nicole's condo. Sisters took all her jewerly and crystal.
etc.

[No matter Tazzy's lame EXCUSES.I have every O.J. issue of those tabloids. The 'diary' was SOLD to a TABLOID by the Browns and many other stories.They did, finally run out of saleable items] When Wayne Hughes took over the kids interest he demanded ALL the MONEY the Browns made from the sale of the kids photos & O.J.& Nicole's tapes etc to the tabloid press and legit media for the kids. There was to be a hearing shown on CTV.But the Browns SETTLED.

Goldman got NOTHING from the O.J. YARD SALE. Fred said his lawyers got it all.Just as O.J. PREDICTED.After spending 6-7 million seemed only fair. Don't know how much the kids got. NOTHING???

jotun

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by jotun
*snip*
After spending 6-7 million seemed only fair.

"seemed only fair"? If he didn't slaughter two people he wouldn't have had to spend a dime. Why don't you ask him if his freedom was worth it? :rolleyes:

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


According to OJ himself, neither he nor Regan put the deal together. OJ states that a guy who he refuses to identify brought the proposal to one of his family members. OJ states that he had never even spoken to Regan before she conducted the interview.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15851678/

Kate

Hi Kate

Thanks for the link :)

I got the impression from this interview w/ Regan that it was her idea....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15769975/site/newsweek/

~~GoatGirl~~

[goatgirl]

Interview w/ Pablo Fenjves:

http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur30006.cfm

~~GoatGirl~~
:read:

[jotun]

Originally posted by socaldiva


"seemed only fair"? If he didn't slaughter two people he wouldn't have had to spend a dime. Why don't you ask him if his freedom was worth it? :rolleyes:

All
Some are so dense.No knowledge just snide remarks.6-7 million was spent by the plant-iffs.Goldman's lawyers firm. It had nothing to do with freedom.But
BLOOD-MONEY.

O.J. IS INNOCENT.

jotun

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by jotun


All
Some are so dense.No knowledge just snide remarks.6-7 million was spent by the plant-iffs.Goldman's lawyers firm. It had nothing to do with freedom.But
BLOOD-MONEY.

O.J. IS INNOCENT.

jotun

You think Goldman's lawyers spent 6-7 million & you are calling others dense? :tongue:

[Suzee10]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

He's a ghostwriter. He was before this ever happened. He was paid much, much less than Simpson. And, he isn't hiding the money.



I was trying to remember who this Pablo Fenjves was, he was the "plaintiff wail" guy right? This is the weirdest thing. He testified for the prosecution and now...

Suzee10

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin-All
Bet they were when the kids lived with them.The Browns charged Nicole's estate for dinners and even tires.
Was alot of money from Nicole's condo. Sisters took all her jewerly and crystal.
etc.

[No matter Tazzy's lame EXCUSES.I have every O.J. issue of those tabloids. The 'diary' was SOLD to a TABLOID by the Browns and many other stories.They did, finally run out of saleable items] When Wayne Hughes took over the kids interest he demanded ALL the MONEY the Browns made from the sale of the kids photos & O.J.& Nicole's tapes etc to the tabloid press and legit media for the kids. There was to be a hearing shown on CTV.But the Browns SETTLED.

Goldman got NOTHING from the O.J. YARD SALE. Fred said his lawyers got it all.Just as O.J. PREDICTED.After spending 6-7 million seemed only fair. Don't know how much the kids got. NOTHING???

jotun

Good Gawd! If Nicole didn't state in her Will what to do about her jewelry and crystal, her sisters had every right to divide it up, so to speak.

Man oh man, your credibility is Less Than Zero and I am not talking about the movie either. You're getting your information from Tabloids? WTH? GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

Originally posted by goatgirl


Hi Kate

Thanks for the link :)

I got the impression from this interview w/ Regan that it was her idea....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15769975/site/newsweek/

~~GoatGirl~~

G.G.
It seems that Regan was in a better position to arrange for her ghost writer friend to write the book, to get fox to air the interview and harper collins to publish the book. imo

whether Regan contacted this tird party and presented this whole plan to him, we don't know as i have not read any comments from this party as yet. But regan did say, i think, that
she did not pay or talk to oj before the interview. so if she paid the thrird party she must have had some contact with them (thrid party)before the interview. imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Good Gawd! If Nicole didn't state in her Will what to do about her jewelry and crystal, her sisters had every right to divide it up, so to speak.

Man oh man, your credibility is Less Than Zero and I am not talking about the movie either. You're getting your information from Tabloids? WTH? GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!

jotun

can we consider the idea that the lawyers that TELL their clients to ALWAYS sue, ARE ALSO TAKING BLOOD MONEY that is if they get paid.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by Suzee10




I was trying to remember who this Pablo Fenjves was, he was the "plaintiff wail" guy right? This is the weirdest thing. He testified for the prosecution and now...

Suzee10

Suzie 10

Pablo lived a few doors from nicole and he testified that the dog was heard close to 10:15--10:20 pm. this supported the prosecutions theory on the time the murders happened.

The defense rejected his timeline in favor of Heidstras.

Pablo testified for the prosctution in the criminal trial. It was reported that he and Regan has had a long standing 'CLOSE' relationship dating back to when they worked togeather.

So it is strange that a guy that lived close to nicole testified for the prosecution ends up writing the book for Regan/oj and Regan
has it published by her publisher as if OJ wrote the book.
imo

martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II



weeze

all assets received by the browns from the judgement goes to the estate for the children
martin II I doubt that all monies the Browns receive belong to the estate of the children! The BROWNS were offered hush money -- not Nicole's estate.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II




tazzy hi

I thought it wa split.

That trophy along baught $220,00.00 there was art work etc.

martin II

Yes. It was actually split 60/40. There was a dispute in the beginning between families because the Goldman's were upset that Simpson was "hiding assets".

http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/17/simpson.auction.01/

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
you caught me
haha
I was wondering if lou was paying his mortage from that money.
martin II

No, that account is monitored. Nothing is used for anything except attorney fee's or the children.

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
I doubt that all monies the Browns receive belong to the estate of the children! The BROWNS were offered hush money -- not Nicole's estate.

all the monies received as a result of the judgement goes to the estate. The publisher offered money. i don't know if it was for the children or for the browns personal account. But the Rep for R.M. said the money was offered with absolutely no strings.He dissagreed with Denise when she said it was hush money.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


No, that account is monitored. Nothing is used for anything except attorney fee's or the children.


posted by juton

When Wayne Hughes took over the kids interest he demanded ALL the MONEY the Browns made from the sale of the kids photos & O.J.& Nicole's tapes etc to the tabloid press and legit media for the kids. There was to be a hearing shown on CTV.But the Browns SETTLED.

tazzy hi

did you know this
martin II

tazzy hi
what about the money from the sale of Nicole condo.
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II
*snip*
tazzy hi
what about the money from the sale of Nicole condo.
martin II

This is a thread about OJ's slimey current deal & you want to go back 10 yrs & worry about the money from the condo? That was bought with Nicole's money, so what's your point?

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer


weezer
nicoles condo sold for just under $500,000. i assume that this money went to her estate unless lou found a way to snatch it.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II


weezer
nicoles condo sold for just under $500,000. i assume that this money went to her estate unless lou found a way to snatch it.imo
martin II

I think you're thinking of Orenthal again. He is the one that just "snatched" the money from the book from the kids & spent it. Harper Collins said it was their understanding it would go to the kids. OJ said he's already spent it.

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


weezer
nicoles condo sold for just under $500,000. i assume that this money went to her estate unless lou found a way to snatch it.imo
martin II you're confused -- orenthal is the one that grabbed everything he could and ran. . . Now, he says he needs money to support the 'kids' -- go figure.

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
you're confused -- orenthal is the one that grabbed everything he could and ran. . . Now, he says he needs money to support the 'kids' -- go figure.

weezer

did lou keep the money from the sale of the condo or did he put it into the estate of nicole simpson.

She paid over $600.000 but it sold for a less than $500,000
after 2 years.

when it is said that there was not a lot left in her estate, it leads me to belive lou kept the money from the kids.

martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


weezer

did lou keep the money from the sale of the condo or did he put it into the estate of nicole simpson.

She paid over $600.000 but it sold for a less than $500,000
after 2 years.

when it is said that there was not a lot left in her estate, it leads me to belive lou kept the money from the kids.

martin II I doubt the Browns kept anything that belonged to Nicole's children.

I wonder who made the mortgage payments for the two years? I wonder who paid for Nicole's funeral and headstone?

orenthal was the one that lied, cheated and stole from his children -- not the Browns!

you are a sad, little man! IMO

[jotun]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
I doubt the Browns kept anything that
belonged to Nicole's children.

I wonder who made the mortgage payments for the two years? I wonder who paid for Nicole's funeral and headstone?




The Browns kept everything they could get their hands on.Sold alot to the media.

Those real-estate agents paid the rent while they lived there .Either O.J. paid for the funeral etc. Or the Browns took it out of Nicole's estate.

O.J. doesn't control the kids money. Nor should the Browns now. Justin is now 18 so custody is OVER.

O.J. had his kids set-up for the profits for the book.'my kids would have come into alot of money,
we knew the book would sell."

jotun

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by jotun
*snip*
O.J. had his kids set-up for the profits for the book.'my kids would have come into alot of money,
we knew the book would sell."

jotun

Sure. Then why did he spent the proceeds he did get? I bet he thought his "I want to tell you" book would sell too. It didn't.

[jotun]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Good Gawd! If Nicole didn't state in her Will what to do about her jewelry and crystal, her sisters had every right to divide it up, so to speak.

Man oh man, your credibility is Less Than Zero and I am not talking about the movie either. You're getting your information from Tabloids? WTH? GMAB!

JMO and MOO!!

All- Nicole stated in her will everything she owned was to go to her children.

Think not. My info comes from many sourses. Watched and taped every minute of that trial.Saw & taped all the reports, listened to all the pundits.Read 3 newspapers a day bought every magazine including the tabs. Have paid rapt attention to the O.J. saga from day 1 until today.

jotun

[jotun]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Sure. Then why did he spent the proceeds he did get? I bet he thought his "I want to tell you" book would sell too. It didn't.

ALL--Paying off the house etc.benefits the kids who now have a 'secured homestead'.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU '
was # 1 for weeks.
Was just watching one of my tapes about that.

jotun

[weezer]

*Snipped*Originally posted by jotun
O.J. had his kids set-up for the profits for the book.'my kids would have come into alot of money, we knew the book would sell." jotun Not what orenthal said. He said the money was gone -- paid his taxes and bills. Guess the kids weren't getting the money after all. Go figure.

[weezer]

Originally posted by jotun


All- Nicole stated in her will everything she owned was to go to her children.

Think not. My info comes from many sourses. Watched and taped every minute of that trial.Saw & taped all the reports, listened to all the pundits.Read 3 newspapers a day bought every magazine including the tabs. Have paid rapt attention to the O.J. saga from day 1 until today.

jotun And you've still managed to get it all wrong! Go figure.

[weezer]

Originally posted by jotun


ALL--Paying off the house etc.benefits the kids who now have a 'secured homestead'.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU '
was # 1 for weeks.
Was just watching one of my tapes about that.

jotun Wonder why he didn't 'secure' his kids 'legacy' with those funds? The 'secured homestead' he has belongs to him. To think that he was worried about the kids future is a joke.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by jotun


ALL--Paying off the house etc.benefits the kids who now have a 'secured homestead'.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU '
was # 1 for weeks.
Was just watching one of my tapes about that.

jotun

That is not the point. The money was supposed to go into an account for his children, thus allowing him to bypass the judgement. Now we know that he and he alone took the money and spent it on his bills and tax obligations. He stated that the money is gone, so how on earth do you find that it secures his childrens' financial future? He said nothing of paying for their education with it, in fact he mentioned nothing of any of it being spent on his children.

It's called fraud. It's a crime. And the state of Florida can, and should, investigate it. It's called The Fraudulent Transfers Act.

Fraudulent Transfers Act (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0726/titl0726.htm&StatuteYear=2006&Title=%2D%3E2006%2D%3EChapter%20726)

Kate

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
I doubt the Browns kept anything that belonged to Nicole's children.

I wonder who made the mortgage payments for the two years? I wonder who paid for Nicole's funeral and headstone?

orenthal was the one that lied, cheated and stole from his children -- not the Browns!

you are a sad, little man! IMO

weezer
well it was reported that oj paid $10,000.00 per month to the browns while in jail for the kids support . so the browns got that from him. The court quickly gave him his children back as it was decided that the browns home was not a healthy place for them to live.

I don't know who paid for her funeral and headstone but prior to nicoles death the browns had not paid oj his $300,000.00 he loaned them to pay the mortage they had not paid on THEIR house.imo jmo
martin ii

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun



Martin-All
Bet they were when the kids lived with them.The Browns charged Nicole's estate for dinners and even tires.
Was alot of money from Nicole's condo. Sisters took all her jewerly and crystal.
etc.

[No matter Tazzy's lame EXCUSES.I have every O.J. issue of those tabloids. The 'diary' was SOLD to a TABLOID by the Browns and many other stories.They did, finally run out of saleable items] When Wayne Hughes took over the kids interest he demanded ALL the MONEY the Browns made from the sale of the kids photos & O.J.& Nicole's tapes etc to the tabloid press and legit media for the kids. There was to be a hearing shown on CTV.But the Browns SETTLED.

Goldman got NOTHING from the O.J. YARD SALE. Fred said his lawyers got it all.Just as O.J. PREDICTED.After spending 6-7 million seemed only fair. Don't know how much the kids got. NOTHING???

jotun

LOL!! My lame excuses? Yet, you take up for Simpson.

tsk tsk :no:

This happened a long, long time ago. Can you tell me of anything that has happened after that? Have they came out with another book? Have they sold more pictures? Do they joke about the crimes? No. Has OJ? Yes, lots.

I don't agree with them selling the pictures. I think they should have sold the diaries. I applaud Denise for not doing a "tabloid type" book. OJ didn't have as much class to do the same. And, if the Browns were only after money why didn't they sue on behalf of themselves? It's funny that you say they ran out of items to sale. Why didn't they do that "tabloid type" book?


The guardian, B. Wayne Hughes, is also asking Nicole Brown Simpson's father to repay a $50,000 loan Nicole reportedly gave her father. According to court papers, the diaries sold for $100,000 and the wedding video for $162,500.

Brown told the judge about a possible IRS claim against funds awarded to the Brown family in the civil trial. Judge Shimer declined to consider the IRS matter in setting the trial date.

"I will stop just short of calling this harassment, " Brown told reporters outside court. "I will leave that to my attorneys."

Also at the hearing, Judge Shimer gave Brown, the executor of Nicole Brown Simpson's estate, permission to distribute certain of his dead daughter's possessions, including a Jeep, a Ferrari and some jewelry.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/07/briefs.pm/simpson.estate/index.html?eref=sitesearch

Now, who was Brown suppose to pay the loan back to before they told him to give it to the Estate? They make it seem like he was trying to do something sinister.

You are twisting the story into something way more sinister. And, you believe the media and tabloids on something like this? So, you consider the media and tabloids legitimate? They all believe OJ is guilty.

[martin II]

There has been several different reports of how much money was paid to this third party by the publisher and where this money went as the third party has not said anything about the disbursement of this money that i have read.

If oj kids had the rights to oj participation in this venture and they legally sold these rights to this third party who them deposited this payment into a legal trust for the kids, I think this would be a legal transaction. At least that is what several TH lawyers have said.

If the payment was deposited into a offshore account by the third party and that account can be found by the IRS, then the owner of the account will have to pay whatever u.s taxes may be on that income.

Also i think taxes have a first position before civil judgements.

imo jmo

martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II



posted by juton

When Wayne Hughes took over the kids interest he demanded ALL the MONEY the Browns made from the sale of the kids photos & O.J.& Nicole's tapes etc to the tabloid press and legit media for the kids. There was to be a hearing shown on CTV.But the Browns SETTLED.

tazzy hi

did you know this
martin II

tazzy hi
what about the money from the sale of Nicole condo.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Yes, I knew this. I posted a link prior to this.

Nicole's condo sold for a considerable amount below what she paid for it. So, I'm not sure they even made a profit.


None of this changes nothing in regards to OJ's low down and dirty attempt at making blood money.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


The Browns kept everything they could get their hands on.Sold alot to the media.

Those real-estate agents paid the rent while they lived there .Either O.J. paid for the funeral etc. Or the Browns took it out of Nicole's estate.

O.J. doesn't control the kids money. Nor should the Browns now. Justin is now 18 so custody is OVER.

O.J. had his kids set-up for the profits for the book.'my kids would have come into alot of money,
we knew the book would sell."

jotun

LOL! We don't believe ANYTHING that OJ says. He cares more about himself than anything or anyone. I guarantee that most of the money didn't go to the kids.

The media and tabloids reported that OJ was paying for his girlfriends breast implants and friends vacations. So, all that money definately was not going to the kids.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


ALL--Paying off the house etc.benefits the kids who now have a 'secured homestead'.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU '
was # 1 for weeks.
Was just watching one of my tapes about that.

jotun

He uses the kids as an excuse for his behavior. That's even worse.

"I want to tell you" was nothing more than a chicken sh*# way out of testifying. I saw a report about that and they agreed with me. If he really wanted to tell the world then why didn't he get on the stand? He didn't until he was forced to and he was impeached.

:D

[martin II]

fbg

The $50,000 loan Nicole gave lou is considered a asset of nicoles and should have gone to her estate.
The Ferrari i tihnk Nicole got from OJ IMO
Seems like the browns was hitting Nicole and oj up for money imo
MARTIN II

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


That is not the point. The money was supposed to go into an account for his children, thus allowing him to bypass the judgement. Now we know that he and he alone took the money and spent it on his bills and tax obligations. He stated that the money is gone, so how on earth do you find that it secures his childrens' financial future? He said nothing of paying for their education with it, in fact he mentioned nothing of any of it being spent on his children.

It's called fraud. It's a crime. And the state of Florida can, and should, investigate it. It's called The Fraudulent Transfers Act.

Fraudulent Transfers Act (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0726/titl0726.htm&StatuteYear=2006&Title=%2D%3E2006%2D%3EChapter%20726)

Kate

While this may be a fraudulent transfer, it likewis may not be depending on whether he transfered his assest pre or post petition, and, if the money was placed in a trust, I would be interested in knowing who was the trustee. But this is an article discussing how he may have avoided the above-mentioned Act.

HEADLINE: The Bankruptcy Corner;

How Does the Homestead Exemption Work?


BYLINE: BY COLLEEN A. BROWN; Colleen A. Brown is a partner with Lawrence, Werner, Kesselring, Swartout & Brown, L.L.P. in Canandaigua, N.Y.


BODY:


WITH THIS issue, The Matrimonial Strategist will begin "The Bankruptcy Corner," which is going to address bankruptcy-related issues in a question-and-answer format. If you have questions you would like answered by our bankruptcy expert in this column, please send them to Colleen A. Brown, c/o The Matrimonial Strategist, Leader Publications, 345 Park Avenue South, New York, N.Y. 10010.


Question 1: Is it true that, if O.J. Simpson moves to Florida and files for bankruptcy relief, he can discharge the multimillion-dollar judgment against him? If so, how can that be, what makes Florida different, and is this an issue that I should be concerned about as a matrimonial practitioner?


This question raises several issues. The first is the issue of exemptions and what property one can protect if he or she files for bankruptcy relief. Under Sec. 522 of the Bankruptcy Code (Title 11 U.S.C.), Congress has provided for certain assets to be exempt from creditors and the bankruptcy trustee; however, it also provides that states can "opt-out" of this provision and legislate their own exemptions. Many states have opted out, resulting in a great disparity as to what is considered exempt across state lines.


Under Florida law (Florida Constitution Article 10), one can exempt an unlimited dollar value of equity in one's homestead (by contrast, one can exempt only $10,000 of equity per debtor in New York); the Florida statute limits the homestead exemption to a house on one-half acre within a municipality, or a house on 160 acres outside a municipality. Thus, O.J. can liquidate his present assets, use the proceeds to purchase a rather extravagant house and the equity in that property would be beyond the reach of his creditors and his bankruptcy trustee.


This raises a second issue of pre-petition conversion of non-exempt assets, i.e., is it legal to take assets that would otherwise be available to creditors in a bankruptcy case (e.g., a substantial sum of cash) and convert such assets into an asset that is beyond the reach of creditors, on the eve of filing for bankruptcy relief? Most courts have held that it is legal. Thus, if it is permissible for O.J. to convert his present assets into exempt assets by moving to Florida and taking advantage of that state's exemption statute, the question we are left with is whether, having done that, he will be able to discharge this huge multimillion-dollar wrongful death judgment. The answer to that is found in Sec. 523(a)(6) of the Code, enforceable in all 50 states. That provision excepts from discharge, all debts which arise from intentional torts. Thus, this debt would most likely not be dischargeable in bankruptcy, but given Florida's exemption statute, it would be very difficult for the plaintiffs to enforce their judgment and actually collect if O.J. moves to Florida and puts all his wealth into exempt assets.

[weezer]

*Snipped*Originally posted by martin II
I don't know who paid for her funeral and headstone but prior to nicoles death the browns had not paid oj his $300,000.00 he loaned them to pay the mortage they had not paid on THEIR house.imo jmo where in the world did you come up with this nonsense?

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II
fbg

The $50,000 loan Nicole gave lou is considered a asset of nicoles and should have gone to her estate.
The Ferrari i tihnk Nicole got from OJ IMO
Seems like the browns was hitting Nicole and oj up for money imo
MARTIN II you are pathetic! IMO

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
*Snipped* where in the world did you come up with this nonsense?

fbg

you are a little slow on the uptake.

the browns owed oj the money and fred sued the browns trying to get the court to force lou to pay him the $300,000 lou owed oj.

It has been discussed here before.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
you are pathetic! IMO

From your PERSONAL comment i assume you are suggesting that lou should have kept the $50,000 of the childrens money.
imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


ALL--Paying off the house etc.benefits the kids who now have a 'secured homestead'.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU '
was # 1 for weeks.
Was just watching one of my tapes about that.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

Paying off the house will benefit all of OJ's kids. But, all of OJ's kids did not lose their mother. The money should have went through the Estate for Sydney and Justin. Not all of the kids. He's making money off of Sydney and Justin's dead mother. Any and all money should go to them.

OJ did not use the money for the kids anyway. It was about him and his bills. He stated that himself.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/474070p-398729c.html

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


From your PERSONAL comment i assume you are suggesting that lou should have kept the $50,000 of the childrens money.
imo
martin II

It seems that OJ kept all of the $663,000 of the childrens money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/474070p-398729c.html

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


From your PERSONAL comment i assume you are suggesting that lou should have kept the $50,000 of the childrens money.
imo
martin II I think the father of the butchered victim has more right to anything left by the victim than the found liable for the death of the victim ex-husband ...........

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
I think the father of the butchered victim has more right to anything left by the victim than the found liable for the death of the victim ex-husband ...........

Weeze

What you think make no differance.
Nicole left everythijng to her kids and everything should go to her kids.

imo
martinII

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


It seems that OJ kept all of the $663,000 of the childrens money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/474070p-398729c.html

This is one of the many articles that have come out.
I don't know if this was the childrens money or not and i don't think you do either.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


Weeze

What you think make no differance.
Nicole left everythijng to her kids and everything should go to her kids.

imo
martinII Exactly! Personally, I think he's opened the door for the Browns and Goldmans to come after him legally and I don't think this time he's going to find a loophole -- I can hardly wait . . . .

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


This is one of the many articles that have come out.
I don't know if this was the childrens money or not and i don't think you do either.
imo
martin II Oh, I see -- it was the 'childrens' money' if the Browns were paid but it's the Butcher's money if he was paid. Little bit of a double standard going on don't you think? IMO

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Jotun,

Paying off the house will benefit all of OJ's kids. But, all of OJ's kids did not lose their mother. The money should have went through the Estate for Sydney and Justin. Not all of the kids. He's making money off of Sydney and Justin's dead mother. Any and all money should go to them.

OJ did not use the money for the kids anyway. It was about him and his bills. He stated that himself.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/474070p-398729c.html

tazzy hi

The decision as to how many of his kids should share in the proficts from the book that has oj's name on it is oj's decision. imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Oh, I see -- it was the 'childrens' money' if the Browns were paid but it's the Butcher's money if he was paid. Little bit of a double standard going on don't you think? IMO

weezer
i have no idea as to what money you are talking about

1. any money that came from the book has nothing to do with nicoles estate that goes to her kids.

2. If oj cooked up a plan where these kids will get this money in a trust etc then good for them.

But one thing is for sure. no one but oj and maby a lawyer knows where that money is or how much it was.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Exactly! Personally, I think he's opened the door for the Browns and Goldmans to come after him legally and I don't think this time he's going to find a loophole -- I can hardly wait . . . .

I think the loophole is protected by Florida law.
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Exactly! Personally, I think he's opened the door for the Browns and Goldmans to come after him legally and I don't think this time he's going to find a loophole -- I can hardly wait . . . .

Fred may end up with a big lawyers bill like he did last month when he failed to take ojs name away.imo
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


I think the loophole is protected by Florida law.
MARTIN ii not from what the attorneys are saying -- he may have finally opened his big fat mouth too wide for too long! LOL

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


Fred may end up with a big lawyers bill like he did last month when he failed to take ojs name away.imo
martin II we'll see -- I'm waiting to see orenthal's smirk wiped off his face when he figures out he messed up big time!

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


Fred may end up with a big lawyers bill like he did last month when he failed to take ojs name away.imo
martin II I haven't heard the Goldmans whining about attorney bills but I sure have heard orenthal hollering like a stuck pig! :D

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Exactly! Personally, I think he's opened the door for the Browns and Goldmans to come after him legally and I don't think this time he's going to find a loophole -- I can hardly wait . . . .

fbg

why do you think that imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
I haven't heard the Goldmans whining about attorney bills but I sure have heard orenthal hollering like a stuck pig! :D

everytime i see fred on cnn or some other show he is begging americans to give money out of their pockets or announcing some new effort to harrass oj. Which so far has failed to put one penny in his cup.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
not from what the attorneys are saying -- he may have finally opened his big fat mouth too wide for too long! LOL

see williams post
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
not from what the attorneys are saying -- he may have finally opened his big fat mouth too wide for too long! LOL

maby the lawyers you heard can change Florida law.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by martin II


see williams post
martin II

Martin,

We do not know how the agreement for payment for the book was written, in fact it could have been paid to the trust, if he set up one and could have been working on behalf of the trust. This will be interesting, because we can be certain that the money is a post petition asset and may or may not be protected.

[martin II]

Originally posted by William Anthony


Martin,

We do not know how the agreement for payment for the book was written, in fact it could have been paid to the trust, if he set up one and could have been working on behalf of the trust. This will be interesting, because we can be certain that the money is a post petition asset and may or may not be protected.

william

i agree. The thrid party must have had some type payment agreement with oj or his kids as a group or their trust.

Oj had a head start on receiving the money before the announcement of the book. I am sure there are many road maps
in the hands of Florida lawyers for this type situation as he is not the first to be in this situation. So we will see if he had the right lawyer.

martin II

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by martin II


william

i agree. The thrid party must have had some type payment agreement with oj or his kids as a group or their trust.

Oj had a head start on receiving the money before the announcement of the book. I am sure there are many road maps
in the hands of Florida lawyers for this type situation as he is not the first to be in this situation. So we will see if he had the right lawyer.

martin II

I would really like to know how the trust, which there almost has to be, was set up, and I will try to find out.

[martin II]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
we'll see -- I'm waiting to see orenthal's smirk wiped off his face when he figures out he messed up big time!


weezer
As you stated before oj's face looks better than you remember it form before.Maby i can request a new signed tee shirt with his new face for you. Do you want it with the blonds or just oj?
martin II:)

[martin II]

Originally posted by William Anthony


I would really like to know how the trust, which there almost has to be, was set up, and I will try to find out.

The records of the third party would be proprioritary(sp) information unless goldman can PROVE that some law was broken by this third party. If no money went to oj personally i would think this would make it more difficult.

I don't think it would be Illegal for oj to work on behalf of the trust
for no pay or maby for $1.00 fee.

iF i had to guess, that money went off shore.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


This is one of the many articles that have come out.
I don't know if this was the childrens money or not and i don't think you do either.
imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

Actually I do know. This was out of OJ's mouth. It's not just an article. It was out of his mouth on the radio.

:rolleyes:

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

The decision as to how many of his kids should share in the proficts from the book that has oj's name on it is oj's decision. imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

The decision was that OJ was to pay a judgement. Any money that he receives is to go there. However, he is finding any loop hole he can to avoid that. So, he is in turn taking money away from Sydney and Justin by splitting it 4 ways. His other two children will get gifts and etc from their mother. Not just when she dies but now until she dies.

It's not OJ's decision. He is manipulating the law. Whether they can get the money legally or not does not make it right.

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by martin II


The records of the third party would be proprioritary(sp) information unless goldman can PROVE that some law was broken by this third party. If no money went to oj personally i would think this would make it more difficult.

I don't think it would be Illegal for oj to work on behalf of the trust
for no pay or maby for $1.00 fee.

iF i had to guess, that money went off shore.
martin II

No, he could have been made the trustee, which I doubt because of the third party involvment. There is nothing illegal in him working for the trust so long as the proceeds benefit the trust.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


weezer
i have no idea as to what money you are talking about

1. any money that came from the book has nothing to do with nicoles estate that goes to her kids.

2. If oj cooked up a plan where these kids will get this money in a trust etc then good for them.

But one thing is for sure. no one but oj and maby a lawyer knows where that money is or how much it was.
imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

You have a definate double standard going on.

Yes, the money that came from the book has a great deal to do with the NBS Estate. It is a judgement that was given to OJ. It is Sydney and Justin's mother.

If OJ cooked up a plan you're okay with that? You're okay with someone manipulating the system and then paying their bills with it? So, you're not about justice? You're about sticking it to the man?

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

The decision was that OJ was to pay a judgement. Any money that he receives is to go there. However, he is finding any loop hole he can to avoid that. So, he is in turn taking money away from Sydney and Justin by splitting it 4 ways. His other two children will get gifts and etc from their mother. Not just when she dies but now until she dies.

It's not OJ's decision. He is manipulating the law. Whether they can get the money legally or not does not make it right.

Impo, he should pay the judgment. However, there is nothing wrong with him pursuing his legal options, as business and others do.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


everytime i see fred on cnn or some other show he is begging americans to give money out of their pockets*snip*
martin II

Hi Martin,

You need to back up this statement.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


maby the lawyers you heard can change Florida law.
martin II

Hi Martin,

That's what I'm hoping. I hope they can make the "Sams" law into place for civil liable judgements also.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

Actually I do know. This was out of OJ's mouth. It's not just an article. It was out of his mouth on the radio.

:rolleyes:

tazzy hi

Thats just oj talking stuff.

The third party that we believe received the money from the publishing company has not made any comments on the disbursement of any monies from this transaction as far as i know. So until they do, no one knows how much or who got any of it.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by William Anthony


Impo, he should pay the judgment. However, there is nothing wrong with him pursuing his legal options, as business and others do.

Hi William,

I am impressed to hear you say that.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

Thats just oj talking stuff.

The third party that we believe received the money from the publishing company has not made any comments on the disbursement of any monies from this transaction as far as i know. So until they do, no one knows how much or who got any of it.imo
martin II

Martin,

What?! Come on now. You're not even going to believe OJ now? You are going to wild extremes to take up for him...lol

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,



That's what I'm hoping. I hope they can make the "Sams" law into place for civil liable judgements also.

Just to make oj pay fred. right?

The legistrators of Florida would have to do this and to do this they would have to screw all others that moved to Florida to take advantage of the homesteads law. IMO

I think you are forgetting one thing. in order for the sams law to apply to oj he would have to receive money directly from the pubilshing co. which in this case he did not.imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi William,

I am impressed to hear you say that.

Hi Tazzy,

This is not the first time I have said that. I have respect for judgments, even though I do not always agree with them or the manner in which they were obtained.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


Just to make oj pay fred. right?

The legistrators of Florida would have to do this and to do this they would have to screw all others that moved to Florida to take advantage of the homesteads law. IMO

I think you are forgetting one thing. in order for the sams law to apply to oj he would have to receive money directly from the pubilshing co. which in this case he did not.imo
martin II

No, not just to punish OJ. To keep this from ever happening again. To keep the victims families from ever having to go through something like this over and over and over.

Well, there shouldn't be a safe haven for anyone to go to to get out of paying their judgements.

What it will do is keep him from writing about the murders. And, he could go to jail for his little signing parties he was having. That wasn't through a 3rd party. They could go after everyone involved.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by William Anthony


Hi Tazzy,

This is not the first time I have said that. I have respect for judgments, even though I do not always agree with them or the manner in which they were obtained.

Hi William,

I do not always agree with you or your tactics. But, I have more respect for you for stating that.

:beer:

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
Exactly! Personally, I think he's opened the door for the Browns and Goldmans to come after him legally and I don't think this time he's going to find a loophole -- I can hardly wait . . . .

Yep. Denise Brown has an atty that is going after the Santa Monica atty that received the money from Harper Collins on OJ's behalf.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Martin,

What?! Come on now. You're not even going to believe OJ now? You are going to wild extremes to take up for him...lol

tazzy hi
not at all. do you think oj would receive this money himself and then go on radio and explain to fred exactly what he did with it?

until we hear from the third party about what happened to the money they received, all of it is just gussing. Regan has said she did not pay oj.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi William,

I do not always agree with you or your tactics. But, I have more respect for you for stating that.

:beer:

Thank you, I guess:). My tactics are mostly designed to get people to engage in an open and honest discussion, althought there are some whose comments do get my dander riled. Some laws have been so subverted that they no longer serve their original purposes, imho. The original purpose of bankruptcy was to provide a means for people who were overwhelmed in debt to have a new start and to pay a portion of what was owed to as many creditors as possible, imo. However, the case law has now become so convoluted that many may be involved in the process for years and any future money they receive can sometimes be taken to pay creditors, and many, who have the money, are able to take advantage of the law and never make payments other than to the courts and the lawyers.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


No, not just to punish OJ. To keep this from ever happening again. To keep the victims families from ever having to go through something like this over and over and over.

Well, there shouldn't be a safe haven for anyone to go to to get out of paying their judgements.

What it will do is keep him from writing about the murders. And, he could go to jail for his little signing parties he was having. That wasn't through a 3rd party. They could go after everyone involved.

he has a right to write 100 books. it is up to fred to figure out how to make him pay the judgement to him. For some reason it is difficult to make people pay these civil judgements as there are many ways one can use not to pay by law. The loopoles are different in each state. Most civil judgements are never paid.

At any rate fred has said he was not in it for the money only to get oj held liable. Well guess what, he got that with the civil court.
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

many sports personalities do these signings all the time.
The problem with this is that these are done on a cash basis.

MARTIN ii

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
not at all. do you think oj would receive this money himself and then go on radio and explain to fred exactly what he did with it?

until we hear from the third party about what happened to the money they received, all of it is just gussing. Regan has said she did not pay oj.
martin II

Yes, I do think OJ would do that. He blatantly gives his up yours to the judgement. He was laughing about it on this radio interview.

Regan also said that money was exchanged through a lawyer.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


he has a right to write 100 books. it is up to fred to figure out how to make him pay the judgement to him. For some reason it is difficult to make people pay these civil judgements as there are many ways one can use not to pay by law. The loopoles are different in each state. Most civil judgements are never paid.

At any rate fred has said he was not in it for the money only to get oj held liable. Well guess what, he got that with the civil court.
martin II

Hopefully he won't have that right in the future. It's sad that it is up to Fred to figure out how to make him pay. OJ has already upset his life forever by killing his child so brutally and getting away with it.

He didn't "get it" in the civil court. He went on National TV and pretty much said "up yours" to Fred. If Fred hadn't have continued to persue this then OJ would be a much happier person. Kuddos to Fred for not giving up! OJ is in his own little "jail" because of all of this.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
tazzy hi

many sports personalities do these signings all the time.
The problem with this is that these are done on a cash basis.

MARTIN ii

Hi Martin,

I can't think of any other sports personalities that has a judgement for killing their wife.

[martin II]

TAZZY HI

After the criminal trial it was obvious to everyone that oj would not be able to advertize for hertz or any other company in america as he had previously. This means that he would not be able to earn at the level that he enjoyed prior to these trials.

The financial expert at the civil trial examined ojs finances and gave the opinion to the court/jury that oj could still earn at the pretrial level and would be able to pay this huge amount $33,000,000. obviously that was not true.imo jmo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

I can't think of any other sports personalities that has a judgement for killing their wife.

Tazzy
you misunderstood my post i think
All personalities that sell autographs are suppose to report this income and pay taxes on the income. It is difficult to keep up with this (irs) because this is a cash business. It is impossible to know what oj makes doing these signings because it is a cash business therefore it is difficult for fred to collect.
martiin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Yes, I do think OJ would do that. He blatantly gives his up yours to the judgement. He was laughing about it on this radio interview.

Regan also said that money was exchanged through a lawyer.

tazzy hi
the lawyer is the third party.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hopefully he won't have that right in the future. It's sad that it is up to Fred to figure out how to make him pay. OJ has already upset his life forever by killing his child so brutally and getting away with it.

He didn't "get it" in the civil court. He went on National TV and pretty much said "up yours" to Fred. If Fred hadn't have continued to persue this then OJ would be a much happier person. Kuddos to Fred for not giving up! OJ is in his own little "jail" because of all of this.

tazzy hi
fred has the same problem as thousands of other people that have judgements and cannot collect.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hopefully he won't have that right in the future. It's sad that it is up to Fred to figure out how to make him pay. OJ has already upset his life forever by killing his child so brutally and getting away with it.

He didn't "get it" in the civil court. He went on National TV and pretty much said "up yours" to Fred. If Fred hadn't have continued to persue this then OJ would be a much happier person. Kuddos to Fred for not giving up! OJ is in his own little "jail" because of all of this.

tazzy hi

fred did say it was not about money for him. He only wanted oj to be declared liable.

Now he spends most of his time trying to get money. so he lied in the beginning.
Fred has made a career out of this judgement.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Yes, I do think OJ would do that. He blatantly gives his up yours to the judgement. He was laughing about it on this radio interview.

Regan also said that money was exchanged through a lawyer.

tazzy hi
well if oj told fred what happened to the money then he is a fool and fred deserves to get it if he can but i doubt it.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hopefully he won't have that right in the future. It's sad that it is up to Fred to figure out how to make him pay. OJ has already upset his life forever by killing his child so brutally and getting away with it.

He didn't "get it" in the civil court. He went on National TV and pretty much said "up yours" to Fred. If Fred hadn't have continued to persue this then OJ would be a much happier person. Kuddos to Fred for not giving up! OJ is in his own little "jail" because of all of this.

tazzy hi
I think i told you some time ago that i thought that the oj video was in bad taste i think the same about the book. But the question now is did oj have the right to put his name on the book for the benefit of his kids future and do it leagally. i am not concerned about the moral issue you speak of.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

fred did say it was not about money for him. He only wanted oj to be declared liable.

Now he spends most of his time trying to get money. so he lied in the beginning.
Fred has made a career out of this judgement.
martin II

He didn't lie. If you paid attention, you would have heard that his mission is to make OJ's life uncomfortable using any method he can. He knows OJ loves money & the lime light. Fred has not "made a career out of this judgement". :rolleyes:

[limakey]

William,

OJ Simpson made it clear he would not pay for a crime he didn't do. If he was to pay the judgement, how long would it take the media to say that if he was truly innocent, he never would have paid it? Their rant would be that they would never pay for a crime they didn't do.

IMO, even if he did pay of the judgement, the Goldmans' have made it clear that wouldn't be enough, basically, they do everything they can to hurt him. If it wasn't money, the it would be something else. IMO.

[limakey]

Has anyone really thought about why this book and the interview were dropped? IMO, the outcry of a public doesn't matter when it comes to dollar signs. Had the book gone to the stores and the interview been aired---the money made off of that would make it worth while.

Another point, why isn't any one posting about the value of such a book and/or interview. Think about, there are still questions surrounding if OJ had an accomplice either at the murder scene or helped him get rid of the stuff. While OJ can't ever go on trial or go to jail, the person or persons who helped him could be tried.

In all the interviews and tapes that OJ Simpson has done, he has never "revealed" any detail that where the media, DA's and the LAPD could pounce on. We all know that there are details that LE doesn't leak, they always try keep a couple details underwraps because only the killer would know them. OJ Simpson has never made this mistake.

I have no problem with anyone saying that it is wrong of OJ to do the book and all of the moral issues, however, IMO, it is a mistake to believe that it was the public or the familes who got this done.

Kate

[jotun]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

fred did say it was not about money for him. He only wanted oj to be declared liable.

Now he spends most of his time trying to get money. so he lied in the beginning.
Fred has made a career out of this judgement.
martin II

Martin:
You are so right...Goldman the "professional victim'

Weezer-Tazzy-Kate etc.
Won't answer so many of your sarcastic questions
Have my opinion but can't speak for O.J. Tho some of you have no problem.He's a liar when you don't like what he says and honest when you do.I accept everything O.J.says.Usually understand completely.But will not even try to explain to those whose perceptions are so distorted by obvious HATE.

None of us know about this transaction by a 3rd party.Who is a
Ca. lawyer.So would assume it complies with Ca. law regarding judgements. O.J. said he was legal, under no obligation to work and take money to Goldman.
William Anthony:
Since the kids are 21 and 18. The Browns custody is OVER. Do you know if their involement with Nicole's estate would be also???The lawyers Kelly and Riot have been on tv but conviently don't say.As they want their face-time calling O.J.names.

Seems O.J.'s 1st amendment rights were violated with this ban the book.Some in the media are now saying this also. Could he sue these organized women's groups and even Goldman for his website.

Martin:
Could you get me one of those t-shirts.No blondes for me. Just O.J.
LOL.

jotun

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
TAZZY HI

After the criminal trial it was obvious to everyone that oj would not be able to advertize for hertz or any other company in america as he had previously. This means that he would not be able to earn at the level that he enjoyed prior to these trials.

The financial expert at the civil trial examined ojs finances and gave the opinion to the court/jury that oj could still earn at the pretrial level and would be able to pay this huge amount $33,000,000. obviously that was not true.imo jmo
martin II

He could have made payments. He went about this all wrong. And, if he would have been a decent person many more people would support him. But, he always seem to do the sleazy thing. He is a joke to most of America because of this behavior.

Had he not chosen to take the low road he could have made more money.

He could have been writing books about finding the killer/killers. He could have been detailing his search for justice. If he were truly innocent and he spent his energy looking for "the real killer/s" then he could have his judgement dropped when he found the "real killer/s". He chose the low road instead. He really had no choice since the killer had already been found.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


Tazzy
you misunderstood my post i think
All personalities that sell autographs are suppose to report this income and pay taxes on the income. It is difficult to keep up with this (irs) because this is a cash business. It is impossible to know what oj makes doing these signings because it is a cash business therefore it is difficult for fred to collect.
martiin II

Hi Martin,

Yes, I agree it is difficult to keep up with this. Especially when someone has help hiding it.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
fred has the same problem as thousands of other people that have judgements and cannot collect.imo
martin II

Which is exactly what my post was about. Hopefully, there will be laws created that will help victims of crimes collect.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

fred did say it was not about money for him. He only wanted oj to be declared liable.

Now he spends most of his time trying to get money. so he lied in the beginning.
Fred has made a career out of this judgement.
martin II

Hi Martin,

But, here's the problem. OJ came out right after and said "up yours" to Fred. It wasn't enough for OJ to be declared liable because OJ kept going on TV and saying "up yours" to Fred. OJ lies, hides and cheats to get out of his "punishment". That's not justice. And, he does it at the expense of the victims families.

He spends most of his time trying to get justice. He wants his sons killer to be miserable. That's understandable. We don't see Fred on TV unless OJ is up to no good. This isn't a career.....it's a mission.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
well if oj told fred what happened to the money then he is a fool and fred deserves to get it if he can but i doubt it.imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

Well, OJ is a fool. We know this because of all of the "bad taste" things he's done regarding his case.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
I think i told you some time ago that i thought that the oj video was in bad taste i think the same about the book. But the question now is did oj have the right to put his name on the book for the benefit of his kids future and do it leagally. i am not concerned about the moral issue you speak of.imo
martin II

Hi Martin,

I am really glad to hear you say that you think the video and the book was in bad taste. The difference between me and you is that the moral issue DOES bothers me. This is not the only thing in the world that bothers me. But, this issue does indeed bother me. I can only imagine if I was in the position of the victims families. I would NEVER give up trying to make the killer of my child pay. I would feel that I owed it to my child.

I don't think OJ put his name on the book for the benefit of the kids. I think he put it on there for the benefit of himself. So, my answer to the question is no.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

OJ Simpson made it clear he would not pay for a crime he didn't do. If he was to pay the judgement, how long would it take the media to say that if he was truly innocent, he never would have paid it? Their rant would be that they would never pay for a crime they didn't do.

IMO, even if he did pay of the judgement, the Goldmans' have made it clear that wouldn't be enough, basically, they do everything they can to hurt him. If it wasn't money, the it would be something else. IMO.

Hi Limakey,

That might hold some water had he not been so sleazy about making the money.

It is different if he is forced to pay the money than if he just concedes and writes the victims a check. He could always hide behind that arguement. He just makes himself look worse by being so low down and despicable.

I agree with your last paragraph. The Goldman's want OJ to pay no matter how he pays whether by money or disgrace.

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin:
You are so right...Goldman the "professional victim'

Weezer-Tazzy-Kate etc.
Won't answer so many of your sarcastic questions
Have my opinion but can't speak for O.J. Tho some of you have no problem.He's a liar when you don't like what he says and honest when you do.I accept everything O.J.says.Usually understand completely.But will not even try to explain to those whose perceptions are so distorted by obvious HATE.

None of us know about this transaction by a 3rd party.Who is a
Ca. lawyer.So would assume it complies with Ca. law regarding judgements. O.J. said he was legal, under no obligation to work and take money to Goldman.
William Anthony:
Since the kids are 21 and 18. The Browns custody is OVER. Do you know if their involement with Nicole's estate would be also???The lawyers Kelly and Riot have been on tv but conviently don't say.As they want their face-time calling O.J.names.

Seems O.J.'s 1st amendment rights were violated with this ban the book.Some in the media are now saying this also. Could he sue these organized women's groups and even Goldman for his website.

Martin:
Could you get me one of those t-shirts.No blondes for me. Just O.J.
LOL.

jotun

Jotun,

Sorry, I did not see your question until now. No, their invovlment with the estate would not necessarily depend on their ages, so much as it would on how the will was written.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


He could have made payments. He went about this all wrong. And, if he would have been a decent person many more people would support him. But, he always seem to do the sleazy thing. He is a joke to most of America because of this behavior.

Had he not chosen to take the low road he could have made more money.

He could have been writing books about finding the killer/killers. He could have been detailing his search for justice. If he were truly innocent and he spent his energy looking for "the real killer/s" then he could have his judgement dropped when he found the "real killer/s". He chose the low road instead. He really had no choice since the killer had already been found.

tazzy hi
I think you are dreaming. Even before the criminal trial oj was blackballed by those that thought he was guilty and companies that did not want to use him for fear of the public outcry.

So he was left with a $300,000 year pension and two kids and himself to support.

So i assume that he is doing what he feels is open to him and has little or no concren about the moral issue that some are trying to hold him to.imo

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by limakey
Has anyone really thought about why this book and the interview were dropped? IMO, the outcry of a public doesn't matter when it comes to dollar signs. Had the book gone to the stores and the interview been aired---the money made off of that would make it worth while.

Another point, why isn't any one posting about the value of such a book and/or interview. Think about, there are still questions surrounding if OJ had an accomplice either at the murder scene or helped him get rid of the stuff. While OJ can't ever go on trial or go to jail, the person or persons who helped him could be tried.

In all the interviews and tapes that OJ Simpson has done, he has never "revealed" any detail that where the media, DA's and the LAPD could pounce on. We all know that there are details that LE doesn't leak, they always try keep a couple details underwraps because only the killer would know them. OJ Simpson has never made this mistake.

I have no problem with anyone saying that it is wrong of OJ to do the book and all of the moral issues, however, IMO, it is a mistake to believe that it was the public or the familes who got this done.

Kate

Hi Limakey,

I believe that the main reason that it was dropped was definately money. The sponsors were pulling out. Their own people were talking about boycotting. There would have been some books sold but not that many. The only reason it went so high on e-bay and such is because of it being pulled and NO ONE got to read it. People felt they could make money off of it.

I don't believe OJ would ever give us anything that could hang him. Although, I don't believe it is impossible to find someone who could.

IMO it was the public and the families who put enough pressure on the businesses to pull out of sponsoring something so heinous. That, in turn, made the network rethink.

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

OJ Simpson made it clear he would not pay for a crime he didn't do. If he was to pay the judgement, how long would it take the media to say that if he was truly innocent, he never would have paid it? Their rant would be that they would never pay for a crime they didn't do.

IMO, even if he did pay of the judgement, the Goldmans' have made it clear that wouldn't be enough, basically, they do everything they can to hurt him. If it wasn't money, the it would be something else. IMO.

My comment that he should pay was not addressed to his guilt or innocence, only to the legal requirement to pay a judgment entered against him. I agree that, as far as the media, is concerned, he is in a no-win situation. I saw the hatred in Mr. Goldman's eyes and sympathized with him over the loss of a son he obviously loved dearly. In his heart, he believes O.J. to be the murder and no amount of money will ever compensate him for his loss, imo. He, above all others, had the honesty to state his feelings about the introduction of race into the trial. What troubles me is that so many do not want to acknowledge that race was a part of both trials and there was no way to avoid it based on the blankety blank MF's conduct. Whether or not he is innocent, did not enter into my personal opinion of why he should pay, which is not to say that he does not have the right to take advantage of all the laws that shield him from paying the judgment. The law is the law until changed.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
I think you are dreaming. Even before the criminal trial oj was blackballed by those that thought he was guilty and companies that did not want to use him for fear of the public outcry.

So he was left with a $300,000 year pension and two kids and himself to support.

So i assume that he is doing what he feels is open to him and has little or no concren about the moral issue that some are trying to hold him to.imo

Hi Martin,

Whatever. Yes, he could never keep the same sponsors. Never. However, he has made a lot of money crookedly. So, just imagine if he would have played on the support of the people who believed him to be innocent. He made it worse the way he tried to do it.

Many people support two kids without a $300,000 a year pension. There is help for people with low incomes to put their children through college. He had many other options than exploiting his childrens mothers muder.

He should definately think about the moral issue since he is raising his children.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Martin,

I am really glad to hear you say that you think the video and the book was in bad taste. The difference between me and you is that the moral issue DOES bothers me. This is not the only thing in the world that bothers me. But, this issue does indeed bother me. I can only imagine if I was in the position of the victims families. I would NEVER give up trying to make the killer of my child pay. I would feel that I owed it to my child.

I don't think OJ put his name on the book for the benefit of the kids. I think he put it on there for the benefit of himself. So, my answer to the question is no.

tazzy hi

There is no guarantee in life. Bad stuff does happen and people have to try not to be consummed by bad events for ever. Nothing fred does will bring ron back. Fred spending the rest of his life chasing ojs money seems to a unhealthy venture as he will wake up every day with this hate in his heart and that can be harmful to him.
It is my opinion that he would be better off if he just got over the hate and find someting else to do with his life. As it is now he has on his own rented a great part of his brain to oj and that in my opinion is not healthy for him.

It is my opinion that even if oj were to write him a check, fred would, the next day start on a new venture to attack oj because his hate is out of control.

The browns seem to have made more progress in their healing process maby except Denise. But she has to keep her name out there so she can continue to run her sisters foundation. If it is still in operation.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin:
You are so right...Goldman the "professional victim'

Weezer-Tazzy-Kate etc.
Won't answer so many of your sarcastic questions
Have my opinion but can't speak for O.J. Tho some of you have no problem.He's a liar when you don't like what he says and honest when you do.I accept everything O.J.says.Usually understand completely.But will not even try to explain to those whose perceptions are so distorted by obvious HATE.

None of us know about this transaction by a 3rd party.Who is a
Ca. lawyer.So would assume it complies with Ca. law regarding judgements. O.J. said he was legal, under no obligation to work and take money to Goldman.
William Anthony:
Since the kids are 21 and 18. The Browns custody is OVER. Do you know if their involement with Nicole's estate would be also???The lawyers Kelly and Riot have been on tv but conviently don't say.As they want their face-time calling O.J.names.

Seems O.J.'s 1st amendment rights were violated with this ban the book.Some in the media are now saying this also. Could he sue these organized women's groups and even Goldman for his website.

Martin:
Could you get me one of those t-shirts.No blondes for me. Just O.J.
LOL.

jotun

Hi Jotun,

I have no problem answering any of Martin's sarcastic questions. Does it frustrate me? Sure, sometimes. The obvious hate comes from people who believe as you regarding the victims families. OJ is making them live this tragedy over and over and over with his low down actions. Disgust is a more accurate word to use when describing how I feel about OJ.

I don't believe OJ's rights were violated. He didn't own the rights to the book or interview. No one is stopping him from speaking. It's just that no one wants to hear it.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi

There is no guarantee in life. Bad stuff does happen and people have to try not to be consummed by bad events for ever. Nothing fred does will bring ron back. Fred spending the rest of his life chasing ojs money seems to a unhealthy venture as he will wake up every day with this hate in his heart and that can be harmful to him.
It is my opinion that he would be better off if he just got over the hate and find someting else to do with his life. As it is now he has on his own rented a great part of his brain to oj and that in my opinion is not healthy for him.

It is my opinion that even if oj were to write him a check, fred would, the next day start on a new venture to attack oj because his hate is out of control.

The browns seem to have made more progress in their healing process maby except Denise. But she has to keep her name out there so she can continue to run her sisters foundation. If it is still in operation.imo
martin II

How do you expect Fred and Kim to let go of their hate when OJ keeps creating drama over the murders? I feel for them. It isn't healthy to keep living this every day. I really wish OJ would also let it go. He can't seem to either. I'm talking about exploiting the murders. Find the real killers (as he vowed to do). If he had truly been doing that then he would have earned respect from the people who were "on the fence". And, he would have continued support from those who already supported him. But, his antics even make most of his supporters cringe.

The Browns didn't have a choice to heal. They had to have contact with OJ because of the kids. I bet that was so hard for them. I bet it still is.

Denise's foundation is definately still in operation. She has helped many organizations.

[martin II]

Tazzy hi
Help me out here. Who sets the moral code of conduct that we ALL should live by.IMO
MARTIN II

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


How do you expect Fred and Kim to let go of their hate when OJ keeps creating drama over the murders? I feel for them. It isn't healthy to keep living this every day. I really wish OJ would also let it go. He can't seem to either. I'm talking about exploiting the murders. Find the real killers (as he vowed to do). If he had truly been doing that then he would have earned respect from the people who were "on the fence". And, he would have continued support from those who already supported him. But, his antics even make most of his supporters cringe.

The Browns didn't have a choice to heal. They had to have contact with OJ because of the kids. I bet that was so hard for them. I bet it still is.

Denise's foundation is definately still in operation. She has helped many organizations. \

tazzy hi

I read someplace that when sydney comes to la she prefers to stay with her friends than the browns. I don't think the browns have gone to Florida so i am not sure that there is a lot of contact
between them the kids and oj.

I think fred had been on tv more than oj. I don't think the LA DA is interested in anyone comming to them with info about another suspect. IMO
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


Hi Jotun,

I have no problem answering any of Martin's sarcastic questions. Does it frustrate me? Sure, sometimes. The obvious hate comes from people who believe as you regarding the victims families. OJ is making them live this tragedy over and over and over with his low down actions. Disgust is a more accurate word to use when describing how I feel about OJ.

I don't believe OJ's rights were violated. He didn't own the rights to the book or interview. No one is stopping him from speaking. It's just that no one wants to hear it.

TAZZY
The book went up to # 20 on Amazone indicating that many people did want to read it. If no one wanted to read it then there was no reason for fred to try to stop it. The book could have died on its own.imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
Tazzy hi
Help me out here. Who sets the moral code of conduct that we ALL should live by.IMO
MARTIN II

You already know the answer to this. We set our own moral code of conduct. But, most have the same guidelines. That's why most of America do not like/believe/care for OJ. OJ has none. There are also laws and rules to follow. He also doesn't follow those. Is it a good example to set to teach his children how to lie/cheat/steal/break the law? You seem to be okay with any conduct that OJ displays. Whether you agree with it or not.

You have already stated that this was in bad taste. You just don't care about the morals. But, you are constantly dogging the victims families. You seem to go to great lengths to try and defend OJ.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II
\

tazzy hi

I read someplace that when sydney comes to la she prefers to stay with her friends than the browns. I don't think the browns have gone to Florida so i am not sure that there is a lot of contact
between them the kids and oj.

I think fred had been on tv more than oj. I don't think the LA DA is interested in anyone comming to them with info about another suspect. IMO
MARTIN ii

I have heard that the Browns do stay in contact with the kids. What I heard about the situation your speaking of is that Sydney has "outgrown" going to her grandma's house. She doesn't have girls her age to hang out with. But, that she does indeed still see and visit them. Justin still goes. He's close to his cousins. There was more contact between them, the kids and OJ when they were younger.

Fred has definately NOT been on TV more than OJ....lol OJ tries to get in the spotlight frequently. As he stated himself, any publicity is good publicity and he'll do anything for money.

See, my problem with your way of thinking is that you are constantly making derogatory comments regarding Fred. Constantly. You ignore what OJ has done and continue to speak badly of Fred. But, you don't care what OJ has done wrong morally. OJ has lied, stolen, cheated and exploited his children and their mother. Yet, you "think" Fred is after money. Your argument is not valid.

[tazzybaby]

Originally posted by martin II


TAZZY
The book went up to # 20 on Amazone indicating that many people did want to read it. If no one wanted to read it then there was no reason for fred to try to stop it. The book could have died on its own.imo
martin II

If you read that then you should have also read that it VERY QUICKLY fell to #51. No, there wasn't much interest. It did die on it's own. That's why it fell to #51 so quickly.

The only reason there was any interest is because of the sick curiosity. Not because anyone takes anything seriously that OJ says. Why would there be interest? Because he's talking about the murders. Why do people marry murderers in jail? Those are the people who wanted to buy the book.

:rolleyes:

[limakey]

Taz,

I will be honest, I don't know how far I would venture into the world of sleaze if the IRS and my child were my main concerns. As we all know, the only thing in life that is mandated is that we die and pay taxes.

It would be very easy to find out where this money went. I believe IRS records can be made public or the amount owed can be made public. In regards to his children's education, those money figures could also be found out. In other words, it would be very easy to find out where the money went to. However, while much focus is put on the money that is owed the Goldmans', what about the Browns? Should the Goldmans' judgement be paid off first or should the Browns? And doesn't Nicole's estate belong to her children?

Another point, I would love to know exactly how much the Goldmans' have received. If you noticed, just saying "not nearly enough" or not much at all could be a few million vs the 33 million.

No amount of money will ever be enough because IMO, you can't put a price tag on a human life. The juries do the best they can however, why is one victim worth more then another?

I disagree with you about OJ never giving up anything. If he is the cocky SOB, he wouldn't care what he said or how he said it. He would know that no matter what he said, he is in the clear so it doesn't matter. However, if he had an accomplice, he would have to be very, very careful on what he said and did.

IMO, as disgusted as people are about what he has done since the trials, his actions, IMO, are that of man who did not do the crime. His actions are that of man who feels that the only trial that mattered was the criminal trial and he went into the civil trial knowing that he would lose and that a money judgement was going to be given.

IMO, I also believe had the money judgement been just 1 million dollars, he would not have paid that either. I think it really comes down to his belief that he will not pay for a crime he didn't do. He will not pay a money judgement from a civil trial that he thought was not only unfair at it even being held but one clearly the outcome was known from the minute the criminal trial verdict was rendered. He will not pay a judgement where even legal commentators who believe he is guilty have said that if he was anyone else, the civil trial verdict would have been appealed.

Just as I have said that I don't know how far into the world of sleaze I would go, I know for a fact that I would never pay a civil trial judgement against me if I didn't do the crime.

Again, all IMO!

[limakey]

William,

IMO, I believe a civil trial conducted after a criminal murder trial is fair. I believe the burden of proof and the type of evidence allowed it would make it almost impossible to find a "defendant" not liable. As I have posted before, the criminal trial verdict against Mr. Simpson was the only legal verdict they could have come back with. I also believe Mr. Simpson did not do these crimes, and at the slim chance he did, he didn't do it alone. However, I would have no real problem nailing right between his cheating eyes with a liable verdict and the money I would have awarded would have made the 33 million look like chump change.

Mr. Simpson from the beginning has often made comments about Mr. Goldman that were in a positive light. However, it was the comments that were made later by Mr. Goldman is when Simpson started making a few of his own. One I'll never forget, is that when Ron was in jail because he was in debt or about parking tickets. Mr. Goldman said that he used "tough love" and made Ron spend time in jail. Mr. Simpson thought this was terrible. He feels "tough love" is for when your child is having drug and/or booze problems. Now, who is right and who is wrong? The parent who thinks his child should stay in jail for a few nights and that will teach him to pay his fines or the parent who bails his kid out of that problem but makes him face the fact that he has a drug problem and now the legal community is involved?

IMO, when ever your grieve in public, you risk the chance of being called a "professional victim". While I'm sure many victim's families receive a tremendous amount support in high public cases, I'm also positive that it is the "hate" letters and comments they receive come to mind much quicker then the lovely letters and comments of support. IMO.

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


You already know the answer to this. We set our own moral code of conduct. But, most have the same guidelines. That's why most of America do not like/believe/care for OJ. OJ has none. There are also laws and rules to follow. He also doesn't follow those. Is it a good example to set to teach his children how to lie/cheat/steal/break the law? You seem to be okay with any conduct that OJ displays. Whether you agree with it or not.

You have already stated that this was in bad taste. You just don't care about the morals. But, you are constantly dogging the victims families. You seem to go to great lengths to try and defend OJ.

Tazzy hi
i can only set moral standards for myself. Trying to hold someone to my standards can be tricky at best. I belive that the civil judgement was most excessive and impossible for most to ever pay. I can understand why oj or any other person strapped with a $33 mil judgement would say screw this.People refuse to pay judgement of far smaller amounts in the u.s.a. daily.

I don't know what oj's situation is and have no information that would tell me why he decided to agree with Reagan and the pubilsher to lend his name to this book and interview that it seems they created and neither do you. so no one knows the reason why he participated.

The Browns and Goldmans conduct comes into play just as oj's .
Obviously i am not the only one that belives that lou should give the $50,000 he got from nicole to her kids. right?
For one reason or another the browns seem to be involved in some kind of money situation involving someones money.
imo

martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by limakey
Taz,

I will be honest, I don't know how far I would venture into the world of sleaze if the IRS and my child were my main concerns. As we all know, the only thing in life that is mandated is that we die and pay taxes.

It would be very easy to find out where this money went. I believe IRS records can be made public or the amount owed can be made public. In regards to his children's education, those money figures could also be found out. In other words, it would be very easy to find out where the money went to. However, while much focus is put on the money that is owed the Goldmans', what about the Browns? Should the Goldmans' judgement be paid off first or should the Browns? And doesn't Nicole's estate belong to her children?

Another point, I would love to know exactly how much the Goldmans' have received. If you noticed, just saying "not nearly enough" or not much at all could be a few million vs the 33 million.

No amount of money will ever be enough because IMO, you can't put a price tag on a human life. The juries do the best they can however, why is one victim worth more then another?

I disagree with you about OJ never giving up anything. If he is the cocky SOB, he wouldn't care what he said or how he said it. He would know that no matter what he said, he is in the clear so it doesn't matter. However, if he had an accomplice, he would have to be very, very careful on what he said and did.

IMO, as disgusted as people are about what he has done since the trials, his actions, IMO, are that of man who did not do the crime. His actions are that of man who feels that the only trial that mattered was the criminal trial and he went into the civil trial knowing that he would lose and that a money judgement was going to be given.

IMO, I also believe had the money judgement been just 1 million dollars, he would not have paid that either. I think it really comes down to his belief that he will not pay for a crime he didn't do. He will not pay a money judgement from a civil trial that he thought was not only unfair at it even being held but one clearly the outcome was known from the minute the criminal trial verdict was rendered. He will not pay a judgement where even legal commentators who believe he is guilty have said that if he was anyone else, the civil trial verdict would have been appealed.

Just as I have said that I don't know how far into the world of sleaze I would go, I know for a fact that I would never pay a civil trial judgement against me if I didn't do the crime.

Again, all IMO!

neither would I
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


I have heard that the Browns do stay in contact with the kids. What I heard about the situation your speaking of is that Sydney has "outgrown" going to her grandma's house. She doesn't have girls her age to hang out with. But, that she does indeed still see and visit them. Justin still goes. He's close to his cousins. There was more contact between them, the kids and OJ when they were younger.

Fred has definately NOT been on TV more than OJ....lol OJ tries to get in the spotlight frequently. As he stated himself, any publicity is good publicity and he'll do anything for money.

See, my problem with your way of thinking is that you are constantly making derogatory comments regarding Fred. Constantly. You ignore what OJ has done and continue to speak badly of Fred. But, you don't care what OJ has done wrong morally. OJ has lied, stolen, cheated and exploited his children and their mother. Yet, you "think" Fred is after money. Your argument is not valid.

TAZZY

Yes i do belive fred is after money. FULL TIME
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II


TAZZY

Yes i do belive fred is after money. FULL TIME
martin II

What you believe & the truth are not necessarily the same ;)

[martin II]

tazzy hi

ron is not the only person in the u.s. that has been killed by someone. Every family that has lost a loved one has felt the lost just as strong as FRED.

I THINK fred is the first that i know of, that has made a profession out of greving and asking for money in public as he does.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II
*snip*
I THINK fred is the first that i know of, that has made a profession out of greving and asking for money in public as he does.imo
martin II

WTH are you talking about now? When/where have you ever heard Fred ask for money in public? :cuss:

[martin II]

Originally posted by tazzybaby


If you read that then you should have also read that it VERY QUICKLY fell to #51. No, there wasn't much interest. It did die on it's own. That's why it fell to #51 so quickly.

The only reason there was any interest is because of the sick curiosity. Not because anyone takes anything seriously that OJ says. Why would there be interest? Because he's talking about the murders. Why do people marry murderers in jail? Those are the people who wanted to buy the book.

:rolleyes:

tazzy

I belive Harper Collins had research that told them it would be a big seller, other wise they would have never concocted the whole idea in the first place.

People buy books according to their perosnal taste and interest.

martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II
*snip*
I belive Harper Collins had research that told them it would be a big seller


Sounds like more guess work from Martin II. I'd say you don't know anything of the sort.

[jotun]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

OJ Simpson made it clear he would not pay for a crime he didn't do. If he was to pay the judgement, how long would it take the media to say that if he was truly innocent, he never would have paid it? Their rant would be that they would never pay for a crime they didn't do.

IMO, even if he did pay of the judgement, the Goldmans' have made it clear that wouldn't be enough, basically, they do everything they can to hurt him. If it wasn't money, the it would be something else. IMO.

limakey,
IMO:
RUBE-pert Murdock is learning what we have always known.Fred will never be appeased as long as there is O.J. money to be made.Cancelling wasn't enough.Now he wants ALL RIGHTS to both the interview & book. Wants to sell it himself??? Old Fred loves the O.J.SPOTLIGHT. He always manages to get himself in it.The media caught on for awhile, until this book-deal.

jotun

[jotun]

Originally posted by martin II
\

tazzy hi

I read someplace that when sydney comes to la she prefers to stay with her friends than the browns. I don't think the browns have gone to Florida so i am not sure that there is a lot of contact
between them the kids and oj.

I think fred had been on tv more than oj. I don't think the LA DA is interested in anyone comming to them with info about another suspect. IMO
MARTIN ii

Martin,
Sydney wouldn't see the Browns much even while in Brentwood because of what they did to her Daddy.None of the Browns went to Sydney's high-school graduation.

No the DA has NO INTEREST.Yale said on tv,years ago,that he and O.J. had met with the new D.A.,about the info they had,in the search for the killers.Never heard back.

jotun

[Heyes]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

IMO, I believe a civil trial conducted after a criminal murder trial is fair. I believe the burden of proof and the type of evidence allowed it would make it almost impossible to find a "defendant" not liable. As I have posted before, the criminal trial verdict against Mr. Simpson was the only legal verdict they could have come back with. I also believe Mr. Simpson did not do these crimes, and at the slim chance he did, he didn't do it alone. However, I would have no real problem nailing right between his cheating eyes with a liable verdict and the money I would have awarded would have made the 33 million look like chump change.

Mr. Simpson from the beginning has often made comments about Mr. Goldman that were in a positive light. However, it was the comments that were made later by Mr. Goldman is when Simpson started making a few of his own. One I'll never forget, is that when Ron was in jail because he was in debt or about parking tickets. Mr. Goldman said that he used "tough love" and made Ron spend time in jail. Mr. Simpson thought this was terrible. He feels "tough love" is for when your child is having drug and/or booze problems. Now, who is right and who is wrong? The parent who thinks his child should stay in jail for a few nights and that will teach him to pay his fines or the parent who bails his kid out of that problem but makes him face the fact that he has a drug problem and now the legal community is involved?

IMO, when ever your grieve in public, you risk the chance of being called a "professional victim". While I'm sure many victim's families receive a tremendous amount support in high public cases, I'm also positive that it is the "hate" letters and comments they receive come to mind much quicker then the lovely letters and comments of support. IMO.


Before you tout Oranthals superior parenting skills, keep in mind that 2 of them have had problems with the police and the third one called the cops on her father. Alcohol/drugs and violence seems to run rampant in the simpson household.

[jotun]

Originally posted by martin II
tazzy hi

ron is not the only person in the u.s. that has been killed by someone. Every family that has lost a loved one has felt the lost just as strong as FRED.

I THINK fred is the first that i know of, that has made a profession out of greving and asking for money in public as he does.imo
martin II

Martin, IMO
Fred knows Ron was a drug-dealer.Had been since he was a teen.Fred also knows Ron was killed by thugs. Fred became the spokesman for 'Safe Streets' during the money trial.Unless we need to be protected from roving bands of jealous exs.

This 'professional victim' is a nice cover-up for his son's misdeeds.And KILLERS.Fred knows this. He doesn't care about the killerS.He WANTS it to be O.J. As do many here.Keeps him basking in the O.J. SPOTLIGHT.

jotun

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by jotun
*snip*

Fred knows Ron was a drug-dealer.Had been since he was a teen.Fred also knows Ron was killed by thugs.

You should be ashamed of yourself for posting these untruths. :no:

[martin II]

Originally posted by jotun


limakey,
IMO:
RUBE-pert Murdock is learning what we have always known.Fred will never be appeased as long as there is O.J. money to be made.Cancelling wasn't enough.Now he wants ALL RIGHTS to both the interview & book. Wants to sell it himself??? Old Fred loves the O.J.SPOTLIGHT. He always manages to get himself in it.The media caught on for awhile, until this book-deal.

jotun

jotun

Last month Fred was in court trying to get the rights to OJ;S name
so that he would be able to receive any money made by oj using his name. Like autograph signings and those tee shirt sales.

He wanted Oj to work for him. The court tossed his request.

Yet Fred goes on cnn and tell larry king that it is not about money for him. imo jmo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by Heyes



Before you tout Oranthals superior parenting skills, keep in mind that 2 of them have had problems with the police and the third one called the cops on her father. Alcohol/drugs and violence seems to run rampant in the simpson household.

heyes

sydne called the police because she wanted to go to a pary and Oj said no. Some teenagers at a basketball game said some bad
things about nicole and oj and sydney went after them.

I nor you know of any report of these kids being involved in drugs,
alcohol or violence. if you do you should just post it here for all to see. Otherwise you should not post false rumors about these kids. imo jmo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin, IMO
Fred knows Ron was a drug-dealer.Had been since he was a teen.Fred also knows Ron was killed by thugs. Fred became the spokesman for 'Safe Streets' during the money trial.Unless we need to be protected from roving bands of jealous exs.

This 'professional victim' is a nice cover-up for his son's misdeeds.And KILLERS.Fred knows this. He doesn't care about the killerS.He WANTS it to be O.J. As do many here.Keeps him basking in the O.J. SPOTLIGHT.

jotun

joyun

I am waiting to see if Harper Collins will cave into Freds latest DEMAND to be given the rights to the interview and book. The interview and book are corporate assets of H.C.. Wonder if Fred will be able to bully them into giving these rights to him.

Sooner or later the American public may tire of Fred playing the professionsl victim and making demands to everyone that are not in agreement with his position.

ps
i think that book will surface on the net and or in the underground
book world. All fred has done is to make sure it is a topic to be discussed. imo jmo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Originally posted by martin II
*snip*

I nor you know of any report of these kids being involved in drugs,
alcohol or violence. if you do you should just post it here for all to see. Otherwise you should not post false rumors about these kids.

You should take your own advice & stop posting rubbish about Ron Goldman being a drug dealer, unless you can back it up.

[limakey]

Taz,

I really want to believe it was public outrcry that stopped this, but I don't believe so. As you know, in the past, the media has often justified their actions by what "good" can from a really, really bad idea.

IMO, I believe millions could have been made on this book. Also, the publisher and the network could have made it clear that any money that was made after the 33 million was OJ Simpson's. All the network and their sponsors had to say that if nothing else, the judgement would have paid. They could have said that Simpson made it clear that he would not pay them, so the very least, the families could get some of the money owed to them. The sponsors also could have said this. IMO.

I have no problem with anyone saying that this was blood money, however, wouldn't any money OJ Simpson made and paid the judgement be called blood money?

[martin II]

Originally posted by limakey
Taz,

I really want to believe it was public outrcry that stopped this, but I don't believe so. As you know, in the past, the media has often justified their actions by what "good" can from a really, really bad idea.

IMO, I believe millions could have been made on this book. Also, the publisher and the network could have made it clear that any money that was made after the 33 million was OJ Simpson's. All the network and their sponsors had to say that if nothing else, the judgement would have paid. They could have said that Simpson made it clear that he would not pay them, so the very least, the families could get some of the money owed to them. The sponsors also could have said this. IMO.

I have no problem with anyone saying that this was blood money, however, wouldn't any money OJ Simpson made and paid the judgement be called blood money?

limakey

Another idea:
currently Fred's lawyers are attempting to find the money they beleive oj received from this transaction. If they find this money
and are able to take it from oj for Fred, will Fred consider it blood money then?imo
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


limakey

Another idea:
currently Fred's lawyers are attempting to find the money they beleive oj received from this transaction. If they find this money
and are able to take it from oj for Fred, will Fred consider it blood money then?imo
martin II From what I'm reading, orenthal doesn't need to be worried only about the Goldmans -- sounds like he has a pack after him now. I think it is a hoot that he opened his big mouth and shot himself in the foot! LOL

[limakey]

Martin,

Another point---didn't the civil jury, with their judgement say that OJ Simpson is still very capable of earning millions and millions of dollars? Well they knew that in order for OJ to earn that money, he would have to cash in on his "infamous" reputation rather then his famous reputation.

While I may agree with that some of the things that OJ Simpson may be considered in bad taste, yet he has never given up anything that answers any unanswered questions.

I'm not sure but didn't the book the "Rodney King" defendants' wrote really bite them in the butt in the trial that sent them to prison?

IMO, I don't think it was public outrcry, I think that this book and interview would have again opened up the same questions and again the race issue and that is one thing LE and DA's don't want, IMO.

Also, IMO, and I'm not blaming Mr. Goldman but I think he considers every single breath that OJ Simpson takes is blood money in his eyes. I think that if OJ Simpson took a low paying job, Fred Goldman would be the first to say that he could make the money to pay off of the judgement.

It was the civil jury who told him this, IMO.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

jotun

can we consider the idea that the lawyers that TELL their clients to ALWAYS sue, ARE ALSO TAKING BLOOD MONEY that is if they get paid.

martin II

Good Gawd! As usual, you are posting to the wrong Poster!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by jotun


All- Nicole stated in her will everything she owned was to go to her children.

Think not. My info comes from many sourses. Watched and taped every minute of that trial.Saw & taped all the reports, listened to all the pundits.Read 3 newspapers a day bought every magazine including the tabs. Have paid rapt attention to the O.J. saga from day 1 until today.

jotun

OJNUT ~ You could place your right hand over your heart and swear to God Almighty that what you state is the truth so help you God and I still wouldn't believe a word you said.

OJNUT ~ You could place your right hand on the Bible and swear to God Almighty that what you state is the truth so help you God and I still wouldn't believe a word you said.

OJNUT ~ I don't give a ratz azz about your so-called sources, your this and your that or anything else you have to offer up for that matter. It is just your WORD and you can say anything you want to paint yourself as some incredible source of information re: OJ Simpson and his criminal and civil trials. However, IMO, your credibility is Less than Zero ~ always has been and always will be!

JMO and MOO!!

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by jotun


Martin:
You are so right...Goldman the "professional victim'

Weezer-Tazzy-Kate etc.
Won't answer so many of your sarcastic questions
Have my opinion but can't speak for O.J. Tho some of you have no problem.He's a liar when you don't like what he says and honest when you do.I accept everything O.J.says.Usually understand completely.But will not even try to explain to those whose perceptions are so distorted by obvious HATE.

None of us know about this transaction by a 3rd party.Who is a
Ca. lawyer.So would assume it complies with Ca. law regarding judgements. O.J. said he was legal, under no obligation to work and take money to Goldman.
William Anthony:
Since the kids are 21 and 18. The Browns custody is OVER. Do you know if their involement with Nicole's estate would be also???The lawyers Kelly and Riot have been on tv but conviently don't say.As they want their face-time calling O.J.names.

Seems O.J.'s 1st amendment rights were violated with this ban the book.Some in the media are now saying this also. Could he sue these organized women's groups and even Goldman for his website.

Martin:
Could you get me one of those t-shirts.No blondes for me. Just O.J.
LOL.

jotun

I suggest that you polish up on your knowledge of the First Amendment, as well as the word censorship before you make yourself look even more ridiculous than you already have managed to do.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II


tazzy hi
I think i told you some time ago that i thought that the oj video was in bad taste i think the same about the book. But the question now is did oj have the right to put his name on the book for the benefit of his kids future and do it leagally. i am not concerned about the moral issue you speak of.imo
martin II

martin II,

Yes, he absolutely has the right to put his name on a book but he doesn't have a right to purposely avoid a creditor.

I think we already know that the money was not for the benefit of his children because he told us in a radio interview exactly what he spent the money on ... and none of it mentioned the children's financial legacy.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

IMO, I believe a civil trial conducted after a criminal murder trial is fair. I believe the burden of proof and the type of evidence allowed it would make it almost impossible to find a "defendant" not liable. As I have posted before, the criminal trial verdict against Mr. Simpson was the only legal verdict they could have come back with. I also believe Mr. Simpson did not do these crimes, and at the slim chance he did, he didn't do it alone. However, I would have no real problem nailing right between his cheating eyes with a liable verdict and the money I would have awarded would have made the 33 million look like chump change.

Mr. Simpson from the beginning has often made comments about Mr. Goldman that were in a positive light. However, it was the comments that were made later by Mr. Goldman is when Simpson started making a few of his own. One I'll never forget, is that when Ron was in jail because he was in debt or about parking tickets. Mr. Goldman said that he used "tough love" and made Ron spend time in jail. Mr. Simpson thought this was terrible. He feels "tough love" is for when your child is having drug and/or booze problems. Now, who is right and who is wrong? The parent who thinks his child should stay in jail for a few nights and that will teach him to pay his fines or the parent who bails his kid out of that problem but makes him face the fact that he has a drug problem and now the legal community is involved?

IMO, when ever your grieve in public, you risk the chance of being called a "professional victim". While I'm sure many victim's families receive a tremendous amount support in high public cases, I'm also positive that it is the "hate" letters and comments they receive come to mind much quicker then the lovely letters and comments of support. IMO.

Limakey,

I agree with your post and I too am not certain as to Simpson's guilt or innocence. I beleive that when a man reaches the age of maturity he should be accountable for his own transgressions. This is not a comment on parenting, only a comment on my opinion on one becoming a man. I hesitate to use the word adult, since that does not come with age, and do not desire to appear sexist with the word man. I have no idea on when a female becomes a woman, but I think the standard should be the same as to reaching the age of maturity and accepting responsibility.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by limakey
Has anyone really thought about why this book and the interview were dropped? IMO, the outcry of a public doesn't matter when it comes to dollar signs. Had the book gone to the stores and the interview been aired---the money made off of that would make it worth while.

Another point, why isn't any one posting about the value of such a book and/or interview. Think about, there are still questions surrounding if OJ had an accomplice either at the murder scene or helped him get rid of the stuff. While OJ can't ever go on trial or go to jail, the person or persons who helped him could be tried.

In all the interviews and tapes that OJ Simpson has done, he has never "revealed" any detail that where the media, DA's and the LAPD could pounce on. We all know that there are details that LE doesn't leak, they always try keep a couple details underwraps because only the killer would know them. OJ Simpson has never made this mistake.

I have no problem with anyone saying that it is wrong of OJ to do the book and all of the moral issues, however, IMO, it is a mistake to believe that it was the public or the familes who got this done.

Kate

limakey,

Yes, a public outcry such as this does indeed matter when the company is looking at millions of dollars being lost because advertisers on their network are pulling out. The money made off of the book and the interview may have been high, but never enough to make up for the loss of all the advertisers that were pulling out.

I think it is a mistake to underestimate the power of a public voice.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by limakey
William,

OJ Simpson made it clear he would not pay for a crime he didn't do. If he was to pay the judgement, how long would it take the media to say that if he was truly innocent, he never would have paid it? Their rant would be that they would never pay for a crime they didn't do.

IMO, even if he did pay of the judgement, the Goldmans' have made it clear that wouldn't be enough, basically, they do everything they can to hurt him. If it wasn't money, the it would be something else. IMO.

Yes, I agree with you about the fact that the media would jump all over the reasoning behind paying the judgment if her were to do so.

I can't blame the Goldmans for believing that nothing will ever be enough in their eyes to make OJ Simpson suffer the way that Ron Goldman suffered, and the way that his family has continued to suffer since his death. I can only imagine the feelings I would experience if I lost a loved one to such a brutal crime, and I cannot even imagine the feelings I would experience if I had to continue to watch the man that I truly believed was guilty make light of that crime at every opportunity possible.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by martin II

Sooner or later the American public may tire of Fred playing the professionsl victim and making demands to everyone that are not in agreement with his position.


For most, I don't think the issue has anything to do with Fred Goldman.

I think it has to do with the fact that when these people look at OJ Simpson they see a murderer that got away with his crimes, and then continues to make light of his situation.

And they are disgusted by it.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


For most, I don't think the issue has anything to do with Fred Goldman.

I think it has to do with the fact that when these people look at OJ Simpson they see a murderer that got away with his crimes, and then continues to make light of his situation.

And they are disgusted by it.

Kate

You may not remeber the alleged murder of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, who may have gotten away with murder, but made light of it. I did not hear the outrage and disgust from America over this situation.

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by William Anthony


You may not remeber the alleged murder of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, who may have gotten away with murder, but made light of it. I did not hear the outrage and disgust from America over this situation.

I would like to change the above post to read the murderer of Medgar Evers, who got away with murder but made light of it....

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by William Anthony


I would like to change the above post to read the murderer of Medgar Evers, who got away with murder but made light of it....

Hi William,

I cannot respond in an educated manner regarding this because I am not all that familiar with it.

I am, however, willing to educate myself on it so that we may have a decent discussion.

Kate

[William Anthony]

Originally posted by Kate Sachel


Hi William,

I cannot respond in an educated manner regarding this because I am not all that familiar with it.

I am, however, willing to educate myself on it so that we may have a decent discussion.

Kate


Hello Kate,

I appreciate your response. Medgar Evers was a Black civil rights leader in Mississippi. The person accused of killing him was arrested and made the statement that no jury in Mississippi would convict a White for killing a n****r, as I beleive the statement to be. He was tried and found not guilty but many years later found liable in federal court for violating Mr. Ever's civil rights, I think. In any event, this is much like the Simpson case and the murder of Mr. Evers remains technically unsolved.