OJ's new Book

[socaldiva]

You are so right diva. orenthal and/or arnelle weren't planning on giving any of that money to charity -- and I don't understand why anyone would think Mr. Goldman should. The Goldmans and the Estate won a judgment against orenthal for murdering their children and are collecting on it -- good for them. imo

Fred has 2 Grandchildren & a Daughter. Maybe he wants to "secure their homestead" & "pay for their college education" just like Orenthal professes for his children.

[martin II]

on line sales of the book at B&N went from 4 sunday to 22 today
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

if fred receives some money and then gives all of it to the red cross or some local cancer hospital then i will apologize to him for all of my comments and say he is a stand up guy. until them i will look at what he is doing and that is making money off of the death of his son in front of the world no less.
imo
martinii

Your hypocrisy is showing here martin. When OJ still retained the rights to the book I didn't see you claiming that he should donate it, all I saw was you ranting about the fact that he has a right to work and earn money.

How is it that Arnelle admits to her greed under oath and yet Fred remains the only greedy one in your eyes?

Kate

[socaldiva]

on line sales of the book at B&N went from 4 sunday to 22 today
martin II

Barnes & Noble is about $3.00 more than Amazon for this book ;)

[Heyes]

"adequately paid for the death of his son" I'm sorry but I have to ask you again what price you would put on a loved one's life?

I too hope a bunch of the books are sold -- not because Mr. Goldman wants the money but because it will cause orenthal to get his panties all in a twist! ;) :eek:

If it twists his panties...I'm all for it!
;)
Maybe I'll buy books for eveyone this xmas???? hmmmm
I just feel good about the fact that arnelle in her sham company won't see a penny. which means oj won't see another penny.
Wonder what the murderer will try next?
I must say I am disappointed with arnelle but what can we expect.

Denise is disappointing as well. She had my support for years but really this nasty bitterness makes me think she's, um, well,.... lost her mind. She went about this the absolute wrong way.
Obviously the only thing that bugs oranthal is someone else getting their mitts on the money he wants. Go Fred.
Like I said if it twists his panties...I'm all for it!

[martin II]

If it twists his panties...I'm all for it!
;)
Maybe I'll buy books for eveyone this xmas???? hmmmm
I just feel good about the fact that arnelle in her sham company won't see a penny. which means oj won't see another penny.
Wonder what the murderer will try next?
I must say I am disappointed with arnelle but what can we expect.

Denise is disappointing as well. She had my support for years but really this nasty bitterness makes me think she's, um, well,.... lost her mind. She went about this the absolute wrong way.
Obviously the only thing that bugs oranthal is someone else getting their mitts on the money he wants. Go Fred.
Like I said if it twists his panties...I'm all for it!



Why not buy a couple thousand and pass them out on a street corner. fred will be impressed.

oj got his $1,000,000 and has been involved in two additional projects since that book. He does not seem to be concerned about much other than improving his golf swing
martin II

[martin II]

It is false to say oj simpson ever owned the title to "if i did it".

imo
martin II

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If it twists his panties...I'm all for it!
;)
Maybe I'll buy books for eveyone this xmas???? hmmmm
I just feel good about the fact that arnelle in her sham company won't see a penny. which means oj won't see another penny.
Wonder what the murderer will try next?
I must say I am disappointed with arnelle but what can we expect.

Denise is disappointing as well. She had my support for years but really this nasty bitterness makes me think she's, um, well,.... lost her mind. She went about this the absolute wrong way.
Obviously the only thing that bugs oranthal is someone else getting their mitts on the money he wants. Go Fred.
Like I said if it twists his panties...I'm all for it!
Great post, Heyes. :beer:

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Why noy buy a couple thousand and pass them out of a street corner. fred will be impressed.

oj got his $1,000,000 and has been involved in two additional projects since that book. He does not seem to be concerned about much other than improving his golf swing
martin IIYou're right about that! He's not concerned about anything except his own personal happiness. He doesn't let a little thing like double-murder get him down. He's able to see his children breathing and enjoying life. What difference does it make to him if he put other people's children in the ground?

[socaldiva]

It is false to say oj simpson ever owned the title to "if i did it".

imo
martin II

However you wish to twist it, he & Arnelle are not going to get any proceeds from the sale of the books, Fred will ;)

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However you wish to twist it, he & Arnelle are not going to get any proceeds from the sale of the books, Fred will ;)It's just nitpicking to say he didn't own the title. We know he got paid for "consulting". I notice that the nitpicking usually comes from those that don't have any other truths to put out there.

[socaldiva]

If it twists his panties...I'm all for it!
;)
Maybe I'll buy books for eveyone this xmas???? hmmmm
I just feel good about the fact that arnelle in her sham company won't see a penny. which means oj won't see another penny.
Wonder what the murderer will try next?
I must say I am disappointed with arnelle but what can we expect.

Denise is disappointing as well. She had my support for years but really this nasty bitterness makes me think she's, um, well,.... lost her mind. She went about this the absolute wrong way.
Obviously the only thing that bugs oranthal is someone else getting their mitts on the money he wants. Go Fred.
Like I said if it twists his panties...I'm all for it!

Now that the proceeds are going to Fred, I will buy the book also. As for what the murderer will try next, I'm sure there will be something & it will probably be as revolting as his other moves.

I don't understand Denise saying the book is a "how to" commit murder book. I doubt the book is that precise in it's description & I don't think you need a book in order to know where vital organs are (Orenthal is dumber than a sack of cement & he figured it out). I met Denise Brown & Chris Darden about 10 yrs ago at a luncheon. I liked him, but didn't care for her. She seemed very arrogant & phony. However, I certainly sympathize with the tragic loss of her sister.

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Now that the proceeds are going to Fred, I will buy the book also. As for what the murderer will try next, I'm sure there will be something & it will probably be as revolting as his other moves.

I don't understand Denise saying the book is a "how to" commit murder book. I doubt the book is that precise in it's description & I don't think you need a book in order to know where vital organs are (Orenthal is dumber than a sack of cement & he figured it out). I met Denise Brown & Chris Darden about 10 yrs ago at a luncheon. I liked him, but didn't care for her. She seemed very arrogant & phony. However, I certainly sympathize with the tragic loss of her sister.I'll probably buy the book too. :)

How interesting that you met Chris Darden and Denise Brown. What kind of luncheon was it? CD always seemed very down to earth to me. I think he was in a tough position during the criminal trial.

[Heyes]

Why not buy a couple thousand and pass them out on a street corner. fred will be impressed.

oj got his $1,000,000 and has been involved in two additional projects since that book. He does not seem to be concerned about much other than improving his golf swing
martin II


oh, no , I don't expect him to quit. No way. he's oj, he's gonna do what he wants to do. he knows if he gets caught the worse that happens is he spends less time on the golf couse for awhile. I'm positive he's looking for another "project" to get involved with, he never stops.
I may hand out a few on the street corner. Thanks for the idea!
That would be a hoot!
Here you go sir, Merry Xmas, heres you copy of the killers confession! lol lol
I bet I have a crowd in no time. :patriot:

[socaldiva]

I'll probably buy the book too. :)

How interesting that you met Chris Darden and Denise Brown. What kind of luncheon was it? CD always seemed very down to earth to me. I think he was in a tough position during the criminal trial.

The luncheon was in relation to battered women (I volunteered @ a shelter at that time), they were both speakers & I met each of them afterwards. I agree with you on Darden.

[Heyes]

Now that the proceeds are going to Fred, I will buy the book also. As for what the murderer will try next, I'm sure there will be something & it will probably be as revolting as his other moves.

I don't understand Denise saying the book is a "how to" commit murder book. I doubt the book is that precise in it's description & I don't think you need a book in order to know where vital organs are (Orenthal is dumber than a sack of cement & he figured it out). I met Denise Brown & Chris Darden about 10 yrs ago at a luncheon. I liked him, but didn't care for her. She seemed very arrogant & phony. However, I certainly sympathize with the tragic loss of her sister.

lol @ "Oranthal is dumber that a sack of cement & he figured it out.
Chris Darden got the raw end of the deal. Mr. Johnny should have been ashamed of himself. What a crappy position Mr. Darden ended up in. I wouldn't have wished that job on anybody but he was a good man, a strong man that took the challenge and never quit. Bless him
Denise, I was on her team, of course! But she has come off like you decribe her. I have a real problem her treating Mr. Goldman in this vicious manner. There was another way to handle this. IMO it showed me that denise is lacking in charactor and class. imoimoimo.
By the way, good to see ya! :seeya:

[socaldiva]

lol @ "Oranthal is dumber that a sack of cement & he figured it out.
Chris Darden got the raw end of the deal. Mr. Johnny should have been ashamed of himself. What a crappy position Mr. Darden ended up in. I wouldn't have wished that job on anybody but he was a good man, a strong man that took the challenge and never quit. Bless him
Denise, I was on her team, of course! But she has come off like you decribe her. I have a real problem her treating Mr. Goldman in this vicious manner. There was another way to handle this. IMO it showed me that denise is lacking in charactor and class. imoimoimo.
By the way, good to see ya! :seeya:

Yes, Mr Johnny should have been ashamed along with a few other defense attys in that trial & a couple of experts as well. lol. Darden was a class act & actually gave a damn about the killer being found accountable. imo. Good to see you too. I always enjoy your posts :seeya:

[martin II]

oh, no , I don't expect him to quit. No way. he's oj, he's gonna do what he wants to do. he knows if he gets caught the worse that happens is he spends less time on the golf couse for awhile. I'm positive he's looking for another "project" to get involved with, he never stops.
I may hand out a few on the street corner. Thanks for the idea!
That would be a hoot!
Here you go sir, Merry Xmas, heres you copy of the killers confession! lol lol
I bet I have a crowd in no time. :patriot:

OJ has a family and himself to support so i guess he has to do what he has to do. I don't know where the idea comes from that oj should not try to make money.imo
I think about now fred is pleased beyond belief that oj wrote that book.
People do continue to ask him to be involved.imo
martin II

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OJ has a family and himself to support so i guess he has to do what he has to do. I don't know where the idea comes from that oj should not try to make money.imo
I think about now fred is pleased beyond belief that oj wrote that book.
People do continue to ask him to be involved.imo
martin IIOJ Simpson's family is grown. You make it sound like if he doesn't work they're going to starve. I hope he keeps making money so Fred Goldman can keep taking it away.

[martin II]

lol @ "Oranthal is dumber that a sack of cement & he figured it out.
Chris Darden got the raw end of the deal. Mr. Johnny should have been ashamed of himself. What a crappy position Mr. Darden ended up in. I wouldn't have wished that job on anybody but he was a good man, a strong man that took the challenge and never quit. Bless him
Denise, I was on her team, of course! But she has come off like you decribe her. I have a real problem her treating Mr. Goldman in this vicious manner. There was another way to handle this. IMO it showed me that denise is lacking in charactor and class. imoimoimo.
By the way, good to see ya! :seeya:

it was the da's office Gil Garceti that fired chris while chris was on vacation after the trial. When chris opened his defense lawyers office it was J Cochran
that helped him get set up and sent him many clients to get him started.
He also advised chris not to put furhman on the stand but that advice was ignored and that was a mistake.imo
martin II

[martin II]

OJ Simpson's family is grown. You make it sound like if he doesn't work they're going to starve. I hope he keeps making money so Fred Goldman can keep taking it away.

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GROWN???
Both of nicoles/oj's children are in college one in Boston and the other in Florida. Oj is their sole supporter so yes, just like any other parent with two children if the parent does not work who will support the children.
imo
MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

OJ Simpson's family is grown. You make it sound like if he doesn't work they're going to starve. I hope he keeps making money so Fred Goldman can keep taking it away.


I know. Orenthal & some of these posters act as though the Simpson "children" are in elementary school. They are GROWN ADULTS, but I bet Orenthal will being referring to them as dependent children when they are 30. Maybe that's because Arenelle still lives at home & she's in her late 30's.

I love your line about hoping the killer keeps making money so Fred can take it away. :D

[socaldiva]

*snip*
like any other parent with two children if the parent does not work who will support the children.


Unlike most parents with two "children" Orenthal gets 20K or so a month from his pension IIRC. But, I think Orenthal might also be supporting Jason & Arnelle so maybe that's 5 total. Anway, 5 should be able to struggle through the month with 20K :tongue:

[Heyes]

I know. Orenthal & some of these posters act as though the Simpson "children" are in elementary school. They are GROWN ADULTS, but I bet Orenthal will being referring to them as dependent children when they are 30. Maybe that's because Arenelle still lives at home & she's in her late 30's.

I love your line about hoping the killer keeps making money so Fred can take it away. :D
How old is the youngest?
Arnelle is still at home? Are ya kidding me?
He gets his retirement. I personally don't want to see his behind in the public eye again. Although it seems he just can't resist. I just have to live with it however that never stops me from cracking oj jokes whenever I have to look at his ugly mug. Sorry Martin but I watched that trial, The man is beyond guilty IMO. I am well aware of the political climate in L.A. at the time. Trust me, he lucked out, right time, right place.

[socaldiva]

How old is the youngest?
Arnelle is still at home? Are ya kidding me?
He gets his retirement. I personally don't want to see his behind in the public eye again. Although it seems he just can't resist. I just have to live with it however that never stops me from cracking oj jokes whenever I have to look at his ugly mug. Sorry Martin but I watched that trial, The man is beyond guilty IMO. I am well aware of the political climate in L.A. at the time. Trust me, he lucked out, right time, right place.

Yep, Arnelle will be 39 in December & she's still living with Papa. Jason is 36, Justin just turned 19 last month & Sydney will be 22 in Oct. I agree with you on the right time, right place. I think Simpson owes Rodney King a gift basket.

[martin II]

don't worry you may be headed to "last comedian standing."

oj has been the SOLE supporter of his and nicoles children since the days nicole had both of them and is doing so now. i don't think he would consider not making more money to add to his stash because of what some people think he should or shoud not be doing.
As long as companies continue to push money in his face for his services i am sure he will continue.
Good for him
imo
martin Ii

[socaldiva]

*snip*
As long as companies continue to push money in his face for his services i am sure he will continue.
Good for him


Companies are "pushing money in his face for his services"? I thought you posted many times that corporate America has blackballed him? Which is it?

Fred will continue to pursue Orenthal's future income from his ghoulish ventures. Good for him. ;)

[martin II]

fred goldman, his lawyers and the publisher seem to be pleased that oj wrote this book so i don't understand why some here seem to be so angry.
imo
martin ii

[socaldiva]

fred goldman, his lawyers and the publisher seem to be pleased that oj wrote this book so i don't understand why some here seem to be so angry.
imo
martin ii

Fred is "pleased" that OJ wrote his sleazy book about the murder of his son? I don't think so. I think the only thing he is "pleased" about is snatching it away from Simpson after the fact.

You can't understand why people are angry at Simpson? Go figure.....

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don't worry you may be headed to "last comedian standing."

oj has been the SOLE supporter of his and nicoles children since the days nicole had both of them and is doing so now. i don't think he would consider not making more money to add to his stash because of what some people think he should or shoud not be doing.
As long as companies continue to push money in his face for his services i am sure he will continue.
Good for him
imo
martin IiYes, they are GROWN. Some kids grow up faster than others but I think Arnelle should be self-sufficient by now. I don't doubt that OJ Simpson uses money to control his children just like he did Nicole.

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Yep, Arnelle will be 39 in December & she's still living with Papa. Jason is 36, Justin just turned 19 last month & Sydney will be 22 in Oct. I agree with you on the right time, right place. I think Simpson owes Rodney King a gift basket. Good one, diva. :D

[socaldiva]

Good one, diva. :D

Thanks :biggrin:

[martin II]

Yes, they are GROWN. Some kids grow up faster than others but I think Arnelle should be self-sufficient by now. I don't doubt that OJ Simpson uses money to control his children just like he did Nicole.

if oj used money to control nicole she could have prevented this by WORKING FOR HER OWN MONEY AS MANY WOMEN DO.IMO

MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

if oj used money to control nicole she could have prevented this by WORKING FOR HER OWN MONEY AS MANY WOMEN DO.IMO

MARTIN ii

He hooked up with her when she was a teenager. Many women place a premium on staying home & raising their children instead of working. Also, I'm sure his control reached beyond money. As for the dynamics of an abusive relationship, you just don't seem to get it, money is only one aspect of control.

Instead of blaming Nicole, why don't you ask yourself what kind of man uses money to control his wife and/or children?

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if oj used money to control nicole she could have prevented this by WORKING FOR HER OWN MONEY AS MANY WOMEN DO.IMO

MARTIN iiI guess she got FREE MONEY just like Fred Goldman. Poor OJ, people just keep taking his money. :rolleyes:

[weezer]

Didn't Nicole have an 'estate' and does anyone know if the 'children' received funds over the years for their education, etc? I'm betting orenthal got his hands on anything and as much as he could from the 'Estate' for the 'children'. imo

[martin II]

I guess she got FREE MONEY just like Fred Goldman. Poor OJ, people just keep taking his money. :rolleyes:

no, her situation is different but she did not have to spend most of her life in
starbucks and jogging most of the day away. She could have done some work. Now paula, she worked.

Now fred is a different issue. The judge gave him a free shot at some of the American publics money by taking the title from lba and giving it to him free of charge.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

if oj used money to control nicole she could have prevented this by WORKING FOR HER OWN MONEY AS MANY WOMEN DO.IMO

MARTIN ii

you tread on thin ice when you opine that 'stay at home moms' don't work -- I didn't realize there was still people out there that didn't/couldn't appreciate what 'stay at home moms' contribute. imo

[Kate Sachel]

if oj used money to control nicole she could have prevented this by WORKING FOR HER OWN MONEY AS MANY WOMEN DO.IMO

MARTIN ii

Are you at all aware that OJ didn't want Nicole to work? He wanted her to be available to him at all times and wanted her to stay at home with their kids. And yet you blame her for that?

Speaking of which, are you aware that raising children is hard work?

Regardless, in my opinion dealing with a man who controlled her every move and beat her repeatedly is worth every penny she ever got.

Kate

[weezer]

Why not buy a couple thousand and pass them out on a street corner. fred will be impressed.

oj got his $1,000,000 and has been involved in two additional projects since that book. He does not seem to be concerned about much other than improving his golf swing
martin II

did you forget that he's looking for the 'real killers' of Ron and Nicole? hmmm

[martin II]

Didn't Nicole have an 'estate' and does anyone know if the 'children' received funds over the years for their education, etc? I'm betting orenthal got his hands on anything and as much as he could from the 'Estate' for the 'children'. imo

Lou brown controls the estate of nicole simpson not oj simpson i think you alreready know this.imo
martin II

[weezer]

Lou brown controls the estate of nicole simpson not oj simpson i think you alreready know this.imo
martin II

I understand that -- what I'm asking is if anyone knows whether or not the children have received any of the funds from the estate over the years?

[martin II]

did you forget that he's looking for the 'real killers' of Ron and Nicole? hmmm

naw, he stopped that years ago imo. Too expensive and he had already been found not guilty. He learned to move on. I think that statement was something made in the moment of emotion over her death. The da told everyone they were not interested in any new info.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

I understand that -- what I'm asking is if anyone knows whether or not the children have received any of the funds from the estate over the years?

i believe that would be lou brown's and the childrens business not yours or
the publics. what ever they are entitled to i would assume he would make sure they received it.imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

i believe that would be lou brown's and the childrens business not yours or
the publics. what ever they are entitled to i would assume he would make sure they received it.imo
martin II


Is frustration and bitterness rearing its ugly head? :punch:

Kate

[martin II]

you tread on thin ice when you opine that 'stay at home moms' don't work -- I didn't realize there was still people out there that didn't/couldn't appreciate what 'stay at home moms' contribute. imo

stay at home mom is work. that is not the issue. after the children started school, there was nothing to keep her from having some finances and some kind of career for herself if she did not want to be controlled as some say she was. this went on for 17 years. She spent her time at starbucks and jogging around the neighborhood. I did notice that one of the things oj said about Paula is that she worked.

IMO
MARTIN ii

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stay at home mom is work. that is not the issue. after the children started school, there was nothing to keep her from having some finances and some kind of career for herself if she did not want to be controlled as some say she was. this went on for 17 years. She spent her time at starbucks and jogging around the neighborhood. I did notice that one of the things oj said about Paula is that she worked.

IMO
MARTIN iiWhat Paula did or did not do makes no difference to the choices that Nicole made. Nicole had a nice little savings which was getting ready to be wiped out completely because Simpson wouldn't allow her to use his Rockingham address to avoid paying the capital gains tax. It would have depleted her savings and forced her to sell the condo on Bundy which would have uprooted the children that he cares so much about from their home. Just another way to control Nicole.

[martin II]

if i did it is doing ok at B&N
it was #4 sunday and is #53 now.:cool:
martin II

[martin II]

What Paula did or did not do makes no difference to the choices that Nicole made. Nicole had a nice little savings which was getting ready to be wiped out completely because Simpson wouldn't allow her to use his Rockingham address to avoid paying the capital gains tax. It would have depleted her savings and forced her to sell the condo on Bundy which would have uprooted the children that he cares so much about from their home. Just another way to control Nicole.


You are correct about Nicoles choices.

When she decided to go on her own, she was also making the decision to lead her own life and care for herself. She received about $350,000 cash from oj at the divoice and Oj was paying child support of $10,000.00 per month and some other small benefits imo. There was no reason for her to expect that oj should have given her additional support and solutions for the problems she created for herself with her real estate.After all they were finished with each other and he did not want to be entangeled in her problem with the IRS by participating in her scam to defraud the tax people. It is also my opinion that he was sending her a strong message that she could no longer depend on him to solve her personal financial problems as if they were still togeather.
I think that oj did sign off on her lease at Greta Green because she did not have credit approval to get the place.I thinK Robin Greer was the real estate agent on the GG place.
Nicole moved the children from rockingham to Greta Green and then she moved them again to Bundy.So it seems that she was the one uprooting the children not oj. Nicole was use to having her way with oj and was dissapointed when he refused to be involved in her tax scam.
IMO
MARTIN ii

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You are correct about Nicoles choices.

When she decided to go on her own, she was also making the decision to lead her own life and care for herself. She received about $350,000 cash from oj at the divoice and Oj was paying child support of $10,000.00 per month and some other small benefits imo. There was no reason for her to expect that oj should have given her additional support and solutions for the problems she created for herself with her real estate.After all they were finished with each other and he did not want to be entangeled in her problem with the IRS by participating in her scam to defraud the tax people. It is also my opinion that he was sending her a strong message that she could no longer depend on him to solve her personal financial problems as if they were still togeather.
I think that oj did sign off on her lease at Greta Green because she did not have credit approval to get the place.I thinK Robin Greer was the real estate agent on the GG place.
Nicole moved the children from rockingham to Greta Green and then she moved them again to Bundy.So it seems that she was the one uprooting the children not oj. Nicole was use to having her way with oj and was dissapointed when he refused to be involved in her tax scam.
IMO
MARTIN iimartin, you paint OJ Simpson as a person above doing anything illegal when we know that's not true. He didn't refuse to let her use the address because he didn't want to be involved in her scam. He did it to hurt her, control her and get back at her for rejecting him.

As for solving her financial problems he would have been helping his children by letting Nicole use his address. Just because the children had already moved doesn't mean that Nicole wanted to move them again. Nicole wasn't just disappointed that he wouldn't let her use his address, she was extremely upset as he knew she would be.

[martin II]

martin, you paint OJ Simpson as a person above doing anything illegal when we know that's not true. He didn't refuse to let her use the address because he didn't want to be involved in her scam. He did it to hurt her, control her and get back at her for rejecting him.

As for solving her financial problems he would have been helping his children by letting Nicole use his address. Just because the children had already moved doesn't mean that Nicole wanted to move them again. Nicole wasn't just disappointed that he wouldn't let her use his address, she was extremely upset as he knew she would be.

By allowing Nicole to use his address in her tax scam oj would have been agreeing to be a part of nicoles the scam. If and when the IRS would have uncovered the scam oj would have been right in the middle of it and could have faced charges also. I understand him refusing to be involved.

This real estate situation/problem was created by nicole.These were her choices. Maby she should have requested and received better advice from maby her family or from some friends but she made these choices on her own.
This responsibility came with her decision to go on her own.
She received a great deal of financial freedom with the money she received at the divoice, there is no reason that she had to make such bad choices to end up in that situation.
Oj maby knew she would not be pleased with his decision but it seems he did not care what she thought as he was finished with her too. This was in my opinion oj telling her, "don't come running to me anymore to clean up your mess". She had other boyfriends and friends and she definately had her parents home that she could have used. Why not use her parents address.
Why did she have to try to involve oj in her scam.
martinii

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By allowing Nicole to use his address in her tax scam oj would have been agreeing to be a part of nicoles the scam. If and when the IRS would have uncovered the scam oj would have been right in the middle of it and could have faced charges also. I understand him refusing to be involved.

This real estate situation/problem was created by nicole.These were her choices. Maby she should have requested and received better advice from maby her family or from some friends but she made these choices on her own.
This responsibility came with her decision to go on her own.
She received a great deal of financial freedom with the money she received at the divoice, there is no reason that she had to make such bad choices to end up in that situation.
Oj maby knew she would not be pleased with his decision but it seems he did not care what she thought as he was finished with her too. This was in my opinion oj telling her, "don't come running to me anymore to clean up your mess". She had other boyfriends and friends and she definately had her parents home that she could have used. Why not use her parents address.
Why did she have to try to involve oj in her scam.
martiniiYou can spin it any way you want. The truth is that he was trying to manipulate her, get back at her for rejection and tick her off. I don't think he was too worried about being in a tax scam. He didn't mind being involved with illegal drugs so why worry about any other less than legitimate dealings?

Besides that, martin, you have mentioned his "main stash" several times. If he has hidden money he's cheating the IRS right now. IMO.

[martin II]

You can spin it any way you want. The truth is that he was trying to manipulate her, get back at her for rejection and tick her off. I don't think he was too worried about being in a tax scam. He didn't mind being involved with illegal drugs so why worry about any other less than legitimate dealings?

Besides that, martin, you have mentioned his "main stash" several times. If he has hidden money he's cheating the IRS right now. IMO.

I think i did make myself clear.
By main stash i was referring to the legitimate money oj had from his fortune and from the various CA assets he sold before moving to Florida and money he has made in the last 12 years since living in Florida which i believe he has safely stashed out of reach of others.
maby off shore.

I know of no Illegal drugs oj was involved with other than the personal quantity Faye says she saw him use on one ocassion at his house or some party.

It was reported that oj discussed Nicoles request with his lawyer and the lawyer advised against allowing her to use his address and the lawyer drew up the warning/ official notice letter to nicole.

Nicole may have been kinda spoiled and use to manipulating oj to get her way
but she is the one that made those choices. If she had made better choices
on her finances ETC she would not have had to ask oj to use his address or for anything else.

imo
martin II

[tv]

I think i did make myself clear.
By main stash i was referring to the legitimate money oj had from his fortune and from the various CA assets he sold before moving to Florida and money he has made in the last 12 years since living in Florida which i believe he has safely stashed out of reach of others.
maby off shore.

I know of no Illegal drugs oj was involved with other than the personal quantity Faye says she saw him use on one ocassion at his house or some party.

It was reported that oj discussed Nicoles request with his lawyer and the lawyer advised against allowing her to use his address and the lawyer drew up the warning/ official notice letter to nicole.

Nicole may have been kinda spoiled and use to manipulating oj to get her way
but she is the one that made those choices. If she had made better choices
on her finances ETC she would not have had to ask oj to use his address or for anything else.

imo
martin IISure, OJ Simpson only used drugs once. :D Do you think the marijuana in his system when he killed Ron and Nicole was legal?

If he has money stashed safely out of the reach of others, which means Fred Goldman, then you can sleep at night and stop worrying about where his children's next meal is coming from.

Nicole manipulated Simpson, Nicole was spoiled, Nicole made bad choices, Nicole was trying to involve him in an illegal tax scheme. Geez, where does OJ Simpson hide his wings and halo?

[martin II]

Sure, OJ Simpson only used drugs once. :D Do you think the marijuana in his system when he killed Ron and Nicole was legal?

If he has money stashed safely out of the reach of others, which means Fred Goldman, then you can sleep at night and stop worrying about where his children's next meal is coming from.

Nicole manipulated Simpson, Nicole was spoiled, Nicole made bad choices, Nicole was trying to involve him in an illegal tax scheme. Geez, where does OJ Simpson hide his wings and halo?

i have no idea as to why you think any of this has anything to do with my sleeping habits.

Nicole found herself in a bad situation with the irs as a direct result of how she made her choices and the choices she made. oj did not make them for her. If she had made the right moves/choices with all the money she got from oj in the settlement SHE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO ASK HIM FOR ANYTHING. So what ever her problems were, they were her problems as she was single and having the time of her life with her new found freedom from oj.
So she had no reason to go running to him for a solution to the mess she made of her finances trying to lay a guilt trip on him because of her scewrups.

Why didn't she call her daddy and tell him she needed to use his address to evade paying her taxes. It was silly for her to even expect oj to do this for her but nicole did seem to believe she could get him to do whatever she wanted him to do as indicated by her statement to cora that she could get him back whenever she wanted. that turned out to be not true also as it was nicole that wrote the 'can i come home ' letter to oj not him to her.

nope, she was responsible for her own actions as she, like you say was grown.

imo
martinii

[martin II]

Sure, OJ Simpson only used drugs once. :D Do you think the marijuana in his system when he killed Ron and Nicole was legal?

If he has money stashed safely out of the reach of others, which means Fred Goldman, then you can sleep at night and stop worrying about where his children's next meal is coming from.

Nicole manipulated Simpson, Nicole was spoiled, Nicole made bad choices, Nicole was trying to involve him in an illegal tax scheme. Geez, where does OJ Simpson hide his wings and halo?

There is no proof that the traces of marijuana found in oj system on 6/13 had altered his behavior in any way according to the testimony of people like kato and park and people at the airport that saw him on that night.

It is oj's responsibility to worry about the support of his kids, not me and i believe he has done a great job of raising and supporting them as a single parent since they told the judge they wanted to live with their father.

If you believe that what nicole was asking him to do was not illegal, you are wrong. If you believe that oj forced Nicole to buy the bundy condo ok but you have given no proof that he did. If you believe that it was not nicole that made those life choices i belive you are wrong again.

In some cultures some parents tell their children when you reach 18 you are out of here ready or not.Obviously oj has no problem with his kids living with him and it is no ones business that he does.
imo

Do you have any idea as to why nicole did not ask her dad or Denise or one of her boyfriends if she could use their address in the tax scam??

MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Do you have any idea as to why nicole did not ask her dad or Denise or one of her boyfriends if she could use their address in the tax scam??


Maby it was because she thought Orenthal was good at scams, just like he is now with evading the judgement ;)

IIRC Orenthal didn't mind the "tax scam" until he realized she was through with him. He was trying to manipulate and/or punish her. imo

[tv]

i have no idea as to why you think any of this has anything to do with my sleeping habits.

Nicole found herself in a bad situation with the irs as a direct result of how she made her choices and the choices she made. oj did not make them for her. If she had made the right moves/choices with all the money she got from oj in the settlement SHE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO ASK HIM FOR ANYTHING. So what ever her problems were, they were her problems as she was single and having the time of her life with her new found freedom from oj.
So she had no reason to go running to him for a solution to the mess she made of her finances trying to lay a guilt trip on him because of her scewrups.

Why didn't she call her daddy and tell him she needed to use his address to evade paying her taxes. It was silly for her to even expect oj to do this for her but nicole did seem to believe she could get him to do whatever she wanted him to do as indicated by her statement to cora that she could get him back whenever she wanted. that turned out to be not true also as it was nicole that wrote the 'can i come home ' letter to oj not him to her.

nope, she was responsible for her own actions as she, like you say was grown.

imo
martiniiNicole was finished with Simpson. As far as she was concerned, it was over and done with. She was the one that finally dumped him not the other way around. She had asked him if she could come home at a much earlier date and no longer wanted to do that. Then Paula dumped him too and suddenly he had no woman at his beck and call.

I don't know why you think he was finished with her. It was completely the other way around.

[tv]

There is no proof that the traces of marijuana found in oj system on 6/13 had altered his behavior in any way according to the testimony of people like kato and park and people at the airport that saw him on that night.

It is oj's responsibility to worry about the support of his kids, not me and i believe he has done a great job of raising and supporting them as a single parent since they told the judge they wanted to live with their father.

If you believe that what nicole was asking him to do was not illegal, you are wrong. If you believe that oj forced Nicole to buy the bundy condo ok but you have given no proof that he did. If you believe that it was not nicole that made those life choices i belive you are wrong again.

In some cultures some parents tell their children when you reach 18 you are out of here ready or not.Obviously oj has no problem with his kids living with him and it is no ones business that he does.
imo

Do you have any idea as to why nicole did not ask her dad or Denise or one of her boyfriends if she could use their address in the tax scam??

MARTIN iiI never said his behavior was altered by marijuana, I never said the tax thing wasn't illegal, I never said that he forced her to buy the Bundy condo. :shrug:

You seem worried about the kids and usually when people are very worried they have trouble sleeping. I'm glad to hear that's not the case with you. :)

By the way, you usually don't believe anything that Kato and Park have to say but you believe them when they say Simpson's behavior wasn't altered?

How am I supposed to know why she didn't ask Denise or her father? I'm sure she had her reasons for what she did. Maybe she did ask them and they said no or maybe there was another legal reason.

[martin II]

I never said his behavior was altered by marijuana, I never said the tax thing wasn't illegal, I never said that he forced her to buy the Bundy condo. :shrug:

You seem worried about the kids and usually when people are very worried they have trouble sleeping. I'm glad to hear that's not the case with you. :)

By the way, you usually don't believe anything that Kato and Park have to say but you believe them when they say Simpson's behavior wasn't altered?

How am I supposed to know why she didn't ask Denise or her father? I'm sure she had her reasons for what she did. Maybe she did ask them and they said no or maybe there was another legal reason.

tv

i have stated that oj has supported his kids as he should have.That does not mean that "I SEEM WORRIED" about the kids. I think it is great that both are in college preparing themselves as they grow into adulthood.

When a witness gives conflicting testimony on a issue as Kato and Park has, i question their testimony. When the witness gives testimony that does not conflict with his other statements,it is more likely that i will accept this testimony.

When Nicole and oj was doing their test year to see if they could get back togeather, it was reported that on several ocassions Nicole told oj that she thought she and the kids should move back into rockingham as they seemed to be doing ok and it made no sense that she and the kids be at another house and oj at rockingham. So MABY her attempt to use his address was her first attempt to get herself and the kids back to Rockingham and oj was not having any of it as he was seeing Paula.

I am saying that if Nicole was finished with oj as some say, then asking him to get involved in her personal TAX problems is not the way to be finished. It is a way to be more involved. all my opinions

I see no reason why her Father would not allow her to use his adress but i now think that at that time, Denise was living at her fathers house. Not sure.
imo
martin II

[tv]

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i have stated that oj has supported his kids as he should have.That does not mean that "I SEEM WORRIED" about the kids. I think it is great that both are in college preparing themselves as they grow into adulthood.

When a witness gives conflicting testimony on a issue as Kato and Park has, i question their testimony. When the witness gives testimony that does not conflict with his other statements,it is more likely that i will accept this testimony.

When Nicole and oj was doing their test year to see if they could get back togeather, it was reported that on several ocassions Nicole told oj that she thought she and the kids should move back into rockingham as they seemed to be doing ok and it made no sense that she and the kids be at another house and oj at rockingham. So MABY her attempt to use his address was her first attempt to get herself and the kids back to Rockingham and oj was not having any of it as he was seeing Paula.

I am saying that if Nicole was finished with oj as some say, then asking him to get involved in her personal TAX problems is not the way to be finished. It is a way to be more involved. all my opinions

I see no reason why her Father would not allow her to use his adress but i now think that at that time, Denise was living at her fathers house. Not sure.
imo
martin IImartin, I'm convinced you're not worried about the kids. :)

There is no indication that using the Rockingham address was Nicole's way of moving back in. She was finished with him as far as having a romantic relationship with him. I'm not going to get into the Paula thing again but it's been well established that she would never have been competition for Nicole had Nicole chosen to compete.

[martin II]

martin, I'm convinced you're not worried about the kids. :)

There is no indication that using the Rockingham address was Nicole's way of moving back in. She was finished with him as far as having a romantic relationship with him. I'm not going to get into the Paula thing again but it's been well established that she would never have been competition for Nicole had Nicole chosen to compete.

tv
nicole asking oj to become more closely involved in her personal affairs (tax scam) is not the way to show she was finished with him. It is a way to be more involved.

The two things Nicole had over Paula was she had oj's kids and had been his wife. Maby you need to read oj's comments about Paula. The woman made a living on her looks. Gees.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

for anyone interested, the book at B&N was # 4 on Sunday is now #67

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

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nicole asking oj to become more closely involved in her personal affairs (tax scam) is not the way to show she was finished with him. It is a way to be more involved.

The two things Nicole had over Paula was she had oj's kids and had been his wife. Maby you need to read oj's comments about Paula. The woman made a living on her looks. Gees.
imo
martin II

Nicole requesting that OJ allow her to use his Rockingham address was not a way to become more involved with him, it was a way to avoid depleting all of her funds which she needed to become free of him.

Because Paula made a living on her looks means that OJ preferred her to Nicole? Paula Barbieri was never going to be Mrs. OJ Simpson and everyone knew that; in fact Paula wrote about that in her book.

Kate

[tv]

Nicole requesting that OJ allow her to use his Rockingham address was not a way to become more involved with him, it was a way to avoid depleting all of her funds which she needed to become free of him.

Because Paula made a living on her looks means that OJ preferred her to Nicole? Paula Barbieri was never going to be Mrs. OJ Simpson and everyone knew that; in fact Paula wrote about that in her book.

KateKate, thanks for explaining that much better than I did. :)

[martin II]

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Nicole received about $350,000.00 cash settlement and $10,000.00
monthly support for two kids.

That was a liberal settlement and surely enough for her to have a good measure of independant financial security.

If after a year or two she found herself with financial problems, they were caused by the decisions she made. Not oj.

It seems that she may have wanted to have it both ways. Be free to do what she wanted without involvement with oj, But be able to request and receive the security and problem solving that oj brought to the relationship when they were married.

Freedom from her ex to do what she wanted to does come with the responsibility for her to make correct decisions and handle her own business affairs in a way that was profitable for herself. It did not mean that when she, based on her own decisions, create problems for herself, she is free to run back to oj and demand that he participate in a tax scheme to clean up the mess.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

*SNIPPED*". . .Nicole found herself in a bad situation with the irs as a direct result of how she made her choices and the choices she made."

Nicole didn't find herself in a 'bad' way with the IRS -- orenthal threatened to report the address to the IRS. Popular belief is that he didn't use that threat until she told him she was done with him.

[martin II]

Nicole didn't find herself in a 'bad' way with the IRS -- orenthal threatened to report the address to the IRS. Popular belief is that he didn't use that threat until she told him she was done with him.

oj lawyer drafted a letter of notice informing nicole not to use ojs address as her own for any purpose and it was sent to her. That is my understanding.

I know of no threat made by oj to report nicole to the IRS.
IMO
MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Nicole received about $350,000.00 cash settlement and $10,000.00
monthly support for two kids.

That was a liberal settlement and surely enough for her to have a good measure of independant financial security.



Orenthal gets 26K & he's constantly whining that it's not enough :shrug:

[martin II]

Nicole didn't find herself in a 'bad' way with the IRS -- orenthal threatened to report the address to the IRS. Popular belief is that he didn't use that threat until she told him she was done with him.

i don't know if your popular belief is factual but if it is ,then If she was done with him It means we are done. You go your way and i go mine.why would she expect him to expose himself to her IRS fraud if she is finished with him?

imo
martin II

[weezer]

i don't know if your popular belief is factual but if it is ,then If she was done with him It means we are done. You go your way and i go mine.why would she expect him to expose himself to her IRS fraud if she is finished with him?

imo
martin II

she didn't expect him to go along with anything. They agreed that she would not change her address for the time period that they worked on consolidation. orenthal was good with that. Once she knew that she was not willing to return to the marriage and told orenthal, he threatened to turn her into the IRS. His attorney did not draft a letter -- orenthal told his secretary (Randa) what to write; orenthal sent the letter to Taft; Taft edited the letter so that it would not appear so vengeful, IIRC. At the time orenthal murdered Nicole, she had found a lease home away from Brentwood and away from her abuser -- she would not have had a problem with the IRS since she would no longer be living at Bundy. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*why would she expect him to expose himself to her IRS fraud if she is finished with him?


Why would her putting the Rockingham address put him in jeopardy? I imagine the paperwork would contain her signature & not his :shrug:

[martin II]

she didn't expect him to go along with anything. They agreed that she would not change her address for the time period that they worked on consolidation. orenthal was good with that. Once she knew that she was not willing to return to the marriage and told orenthal, he threatened to turn her into the IRS. His attorney did not draft a letter -- orenthal told his secretary (Randa) what to write; orenthal sent the letter to Taft; Taft edited the letter so that it would not appear so vengeful, IIRC. At the time orenthal murdered Nicole, she had found a lease home away from Brentwood and away from her abuser -- she would not have had a problem with the IRS since she would no longer be living at Bundy. imo

I think that when she asked for to help her she expected him to go along with the scheme. When she informed him, as you say, she was nmot getting back with him, there was really no reason go give her this protection involving
his participation in the scheme. Nicole should have gotten advice from her accountant when she baught the bundy house as i believe she would have been told not to live in the bundy condo but rent it out.


"OJ GAVE Nicole the San Francisco condo so she would have additional income for herself. Instead of collecting the rent , She sold the S.F. condo ( i think the value was about $500,000 not sure) and baught the Bundy house which she should have rented out. But she decided to live in it and this is how she created the problem for herself."
" oj had advised nicole early on to save/ put some money in a escrow account so she would have the money to pay the taxes when due." obviously she did not do this.

Slate article.
MARTIN ii

[weezer]

I think that when she asked for to help her she expected him to go along with the scheme. When she informed him, as you say, she was nmot getting back with him, there was really no reason go give her this protection involving
his participation in the scheme. Nicole should have gotten advice from her accountant when she baught the bundy house as i believe she would have been told not to live in the bundy condo but rent it out.


"OJ GAVE Nicole the San Francisco condo so she would have additional income for herself. Instead of collecting the rent , She sold the S.F. condo ( i think the value was about $500,000 not sure) and baught the Bundy house which she should have rented out. But she decided to live in it and this is how she created the problem for herself."
" oj had advised nicole early on to save/ put some money in a escrow account so she would have the money to pay the taxes when due." obviously she did not do this.

Slate article.
MARTIN ii

you don't even know what he testified to regarding this do you? LOL

[martin II]

she didn't expect him to go along with anything. They agreed that she would not change her address for the time period that they worked on consolidation. orenthal was good with that. Once she knew that she was not willing to return to the marriage and told orenthal, he threatened to turn her into the IRS. His attorney did not draft a letter -- orenthal told his secretary (Randa) what to write; orenthal sent the letter to Taft; Taft edited the letter so that it would not appear so vengeful, IIRC. At the time orenthal murdered Nicole, she had found a lease home away from Brentwood and away from her abuser -- she would not have had a problem with the IRS since she would no longer be living at Bundy. imo

Nicole had a IRS responsibility for the period she had lived at Bundy rather than rent out bundy.I am not sure how the IRS would look at that period, but knowing them i believe she would still have that responsibility.

I have seen no letter from S Taft that threatened to report her to the IRS. the letter was a notice not to use ojs address for any purpose.How she took it does not matter as she was the one that had broken the IRS code.

She had the San francisco condo that oj gave her, $350,000 settlement and $10,000 monthly child support. How she screwed that all up i don't know.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

here are the correct numbers

When they divorced, Nicole kept the couple's $550,000 San Francisco condo and received a lump-sum payment of $433,750. She also gets $10,000 a month child support for their daughter Sydney, 8, and son Justin, 5. After they split up, O.J. dated leggy brunette model Paula Barbieri. But he tried to stay close to his children.
wagner&son

[socaldiva]

you don't even know what he testified to regarding this do you? LOL

It appears as though he is getting his info from Wagner & Son.

[socaldiva]

*snip*

When they divorced, Nicole kept the couple's $550,000 San Francisco condo

IIRC, at the time of the divorce, it wasn't "the couple's condo" it flat out belonged to Nicole. Orenthal had given it to her years before.

[Kate Sachel]

she didn't expect him to go along with anything. They agreed that she would not change her address for the time period that they worked on consolidation. orenthal was good with that. Once she knew that she was not willing to return to the marriage and told orenthal, he threatened to turn her into the IRS. His attorney did not draft a letter -- orenthal told his secretary (Randa) what to write; orenthal sent the letter to Taft; Taft edited the letter so that it would not appear so vengeful, IIRC. At the time orenthal murdered Nicole, she had found a lease home away from Brentwood and away from her abuser -- she would not have had a problem with the IRS since she would no longer be living at Bundy. imo

It seems as though some people choose to pretend as though OJ did not willingly go along with the IRS "scam". It was only when Nicole let him know that he was finished that he decided to be vengeful, never minding the fact that his children would be affected.

And yes, you are correct about the letter. OJ originally drafted a more threatening version that Skip Taft had to water down.

Kate

[martin II]

When oj and nicole both decided that they didn not want invest any more time in their relationship it was time to call it quits. He did so by having his laryer send her the letter informing her that he was no longer willing to participate in her IRS tax scam.

The divoice allowed her and the kids to be set financially. There was no logical reason for him to expose himself to attack by the IRS because Nicole continued to make bed financial decisions for herself. Especially since she was seeing other men and he was seeing Paula.

The only concern oj should have had was seeing his children.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*

When oj and nicole both decided that they didn not want invest any more time in their relationship it was time to call it quits.

OJ and Nicole didn't "both decide", Nicole decided. She dumped him. ;)

[weezer]

OJ and Nicole didn't "both decide", Nicole decided. She dumped him. ;)

orenthal had so moved on with his life that he was willing to kill himself and leave his children without their mother and their father when Nicole was murdered. I think it is obvious from what happened that the 'divoice' was NOT orenthal's idea. imo

[martin II]

orenthal had so moved on with his life that he was willing to kill himself and leave his children without their mother and their father when Nicole was murdered. I think it is obvious from what happened that the 'divoice' was NOT orenthal's idea. imo

i don't think there is any way for your guess as to what happened to be anymore accurate than another guess.

martin II

[socaldiva]

i don't think there is any way for your guess as to what happened to be anymore accurate than another guess.

martin II

It's not a guess. Nicole moved out & it was common knowledge that it was her idea, not Orenthal's.

[socaldiva]

orenthal had so moved on with his life that he was willing to kill himself and leave his children without their mother and their father when Nicole was murdered. I think it is obvious from what happened that the 'divoice' was NOT orenthal's idea. imo


Did you notice that in his book, Orenthal admits to being upset with Nicole on the night of the murders? I was surprised he admitted that much.

[weezer]

Did you notice that in his book, Orenthal admits to being upset with Nicole on the night of the murders? I was surprised he admitted that much.

I think there is some truth to what he admits to. I do believe he came to at some point and couldn't believe he'd done that.

[martin II]

I think there is some truth to what he admits to. I do believe he came to at some point and couldn't believe he'd done that.


ha ha ha ha ha

If one would like to read one's idea into something that is not there, that is a good way to do so.

martin II

[martin II]

orenthal had so moved on with his life that he was willing to kill himself and leave his children without their mother and their father when Nicole was murdered. I think it is obvious from what happened that the 'divoice' was NOT orenthal's idea. imo

Based on what has been reported Nicole told oj that she wanted a divoice.

Shortly after that she did her yoyo thing of taking responsibility for their problems and asking him to let her come back to saying she wanted her freedom to telling him they should not wait the whole year to see if it would work and that he should allow her to come back to rockingham them. Seems to me she was sort of confused as to what she wanted to do or she was just playing OJ for what ever reason.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Based on what has been reported Nicole told oj that she wanted a divoice.

Shortly after that she did her yoyo thing of taking responsibility for their problems and asking him to let her come back to saying she wanted her freedom to telling him they should not wait the whole year to see if it would work and that he should allow her to come back to rockingham them. Seems to me she was sort of confused as to what she wanted to do or she was just playing OJ for what ever reason.

imo
martin II

You seem to have your time frames mixed up.You are talking about an earlier point in time.

[weezer]

Based on what has been reported Nicole told oj that she wanted a divoice.

Shortly after that she did her yoyo thing of taking responsibility for their problems and asking him to let her come back to saying she wanted her freedom to telling him they should not wait the whole year to see if it would work and that he should allow her to come back to rockingham them. Seems to me she was sort of confused as to what she wanted to do or she was just playing OJ for what ever reason.

imo
martin II

or, like she told friends and wrote in her diary, she knew orenthal would kill her.

[martin II]

or, like she told friends and wrote in her diary, she knew orenthal would kill her.

that may have only been Nicoles frame of mind or her way of speaking.
who knows.
martin II

[weezer]

that may have only been Nicoles frame of mind or her way of speaking.
who knows.
martin II

it became obvious that it was her truth when he did in fact finally murder her. imo

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it became obvious that it was her truth when he did in fact finally murder her. imoIMO, it was more than a way of speaking for Nicole when she repeated it so many times and even said her friends would turn on her. She was right about that too.

[martin II]

it became obvious that it was her truth when he did in fact finally murder her. imo

naw
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Let me begin by apologizing if this has been discussed as I have not been available recently to keep up too much with the discussions. But, Greta Van Susteran mentioned on FOX the other day that $20,000.00 of the advance money that OJ recieved on this book was proven to have been spent on a Lincoln Navigator and that the Florida court has ordered that the vehicle be turned over.

So much for him using the funds to pay his outstanding bills and to provide for his children.

Kate

[weezer]

Let me begin by apologizing if this has been discussed as I have not been available recently to keep up too much with the discussions. But, Greta Van Susteran mentioned on FOX the other day that $20,000.00 of the advance money that OJ recieved on this book was proven to have been spent on a Lincoln Navigator and that the Florida court has ordered that the vehicle be turned over.

So much for him using the funds to pay his outstanding bills and to provide for his children.

Kate

oh I hope that's true! karma, karma, karma.

[Kate Sachel]

oh I hope that's true! karma, karma, karma.

The Goldmans backed up the statement and said it could be found in the court papers.

Kate

[socaldiva]

Let me begin by apologizing if this has been discussed as I have not been available recently to keep up too much with the discussions. But, Greta Van Susteran mentioned on FOX the other day that $20,000.00 of the advance money that OJ recieved on this book was proven to have been spent on a Lincoln Navigator and that the Florida court has ordered that the vehicle be turned over.

So much for him using the funds to pay his outstanding bills and to provide for his children.

Kate

I hadn't heard of this! Maybe Fred will get to take possession of the car & he can drive by Orenthal's & wave :biggrin:

[socaldiva]

naw
martin II

"naw"? She wasn't murdered?

[martin II]

IF true $20,000.00 is chump change compared to the $1,000,000.00

martin II

[weezer]

IF true $20,000.00 is chump change compared to the $1,000,000.00

martin II

unless orenthal is driving used cars these days, the $20k would not have paid for a Lincoln Navigator. Sooooo, maybe it was his down payment and he had to cough up the rest. Now that would be sweet. LOL

[socaldiva]

unless orenthal is driving used cars these days, the $20k would not have paid for a Lincoln Navigator. Sooooo, maybe it was his down payment and he had to cough up the rest. Now that would be sweet. LOL


I was thinking the same thing :tongue:

[martin II]

unless orenthal is driving used cars these days, the $20k would not have paid for a Lincoln Navigator. Sooooo, maybe it was his down payment and he had to cough up the rest. Now that would be sweet. LOL

if the suv is not covered by florida law, then it would go to the trustee who would sell it and use the money to pay the creditors.

If the $20,000 was a down payment as you say ,then the car company/bank still has title to the car and the judge would not be able to take it. Oj cannot be forced to pay for a car that is no longer his.

but them again none of this may be true.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip* Oj cannot be forced to pay for a car that is no longer his.


Who said it is no longer his? :shrug: Even if that were the case, I'm betting that he could stay be forced to repay the $20k.

[Kate Sachel]

if the suv is not covered by florida law, then it would go to the trustee who would sell it and use the money to pay the creditors.

If the $20,000 was a down payment as you say ,then the car company/bank still has title to the car and the judge would not be able to take it. Oj cannot be forced to pay for a car that is no longer his.

but them again none of this may be true.

imo
martin II

Regardless of who gets the vehicle, the point is that many here and most notably yourself, have talked at great length about OJ's need for money to pay his bills and to provide for his children and that apparently doesn't seem to be what he's using his money for.

Paint it any way you'd like.

Kate

[martin II]

In America, having automobile transportation is a requirement for most to have a normal work and social lifestyle.I failed to see how owning a Navigator
does not fit into one of his needs.

Oj has the same requirement. His selection of transportation type is his business and would be based on his preceived need for the type vehicle
he requires.

However without any link to proof of this story it could very well be more gossip.
what i do agree with is that if the $20,000 it is said he paid is true,then the car was either used or he got a great discount if the car was new.

If it was only a down payment, the bank still has title to the car. And more than likely the judge did not order the car returned to anyone.



imo
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .In America, having automobile transportation is a requirement for most to have a normal work and social lifestyle."

LOL -- orenthal doesn't work and I bet the bus lines are close to all of HIS social destinations. imo

[Kate Sachel]

In America, having automobile transportation is a requirement for most to have a normal work and social lifestyle.I failed to see how owning a Navigator
does not fit into one of his needs.

Oj has the same requirement. His selection of transportation type is his business and would be based on his preceived need for the type vehicle
he requires.

However without any link to proof of this story it could very well be more gossip.
what i do agree with is that if the $20,000 it is said he paid is true,then the car was either used or he got a great discount if the car was new.

If it was only a down payment, the bank still has title to the car. And more than likely the judge did not order the car returned to anyone.



imo
martin II

As I said, paint it any way you'd like.

Kate

[weezer]

As I said, paint it any way you'd like.

Kate

LOL -- I hate to tell the lady I work with that she could be driving a Lincoln SUV to work instead of riding the bus! :eek:

[martin II]

LOL -- I hate to tell the lady I work with that she could be driving a Lincoln SUV to work instead of riding the bus! :eek:

if the bus is her thing so be it. But that is not the choice of a lot of people.
And no one gets to dictate what another should do with HIS/HER money.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

if the bus is her thing so be it. But that is not the choice of a lot of people.
And no one gets to dictate what another should do with HIS/HER money.

imo
martin II

LOL -- unless you're orenthal simpson and try to dodge paying your bills! :tongue:

[martin II]

LOL -- unless you're orenthal simpson and try to dodge paying your bills! :tongue:

A navigator is several steps down from a Bently. If case you don't know that.

There are advantages to riding the bus however. maby your friend is just a bus kind of lady.
martin II

[weezer]

A navigator is several steps down from a Bently. If case you don't know that.

There are advantages to riding the bus however. maby your friend is just a bus kind of lady.
martin II

LOL -- and does orenthal still have his Bentley? No, you say? Oh.

and, yes, my friend is a bus kind of lady. But better than that, she's not a double murderer.

[socaldiva]

LOL -- orenthal doesn't work and I bet the bus lines are close to all of HIS social destinations. imo

Did you forget the video of him sitting at the bus stop & the buses whizzing by, unwilling to pick him up? :D

[weezer]

Did you forget the video of him sitting at the bus stop & the buses whizzing by, unwilling to pick him up? :D

LOL -- I had forgotten so thanks for the memory! :)

[Heyes]

Never a dull moment when it comes to the killer....check this out!
Police question O.J. in connection with break-in at Las Vegas casino-hotel involving sports memorabilia. | VIDEO
http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

[weezer]

Never a dull moment when it comes to the killer....check this out!
Police question O.J. in connection with break-in at Las Vegas casino-hotel involving sports memorabilia. | VIDEO
http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

http://www.courttv.com/people/2007/0914/oj_simpson_ap.html: "O.J. Simpson named as suspect in Las Vegas hotel break-in" ". . ."When they talked to him, Simpson made the comment that he believed the memorabilia was his," Montoya said."

what a freak!

[socaldiva]

http://www.courttv.com/people/2007/0914/oj_simpson_ap.html: "O.J. Simpson named as suspect in Las Vegas hotel break-in" ". . ."When they talked to him, Simpson made the comment that he believed the memorabilia was his," Montoya said."

what a freak!


Yep, always a sense of entitlement & being above the law.....

[tv]

Mr. Goldman hit the nail on the head:

Fred Goldman, Ron's Goldman's father, defended the family's decision to publish the book. He noted Simpson's penchant for breaking headlines.

"He brings attention to himself every time we turn around and he will continue to do that forever," Goldman said Friday on NBC's "Today Show."

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman hit the nail on the head:

Fred Goldman, Ron's Goldman's father, defended the family's decision to publish the book. He noted Simpson's penchant for breaking headlines.

"He brings attention to himself every time we turn around and he will continue to do that forever," Goldman said Friday on NBC's "Today Show."

no one is a bigger publicity hound than fred goldman.

martin II

[tv]

no one is a bigger publicity hound than fred goldman.

martin IITo quote you in so many of your posts, martin -- hahahahaha.:biggrin:

[Heyes]

no one is a bigger publicity hound than fred goldman.

martin II
Oranthal simpson is now a suspect in an armed robbery in a Las Vegas Hotel.
Ya might want to rethink your position martin II!!!
LMAO
The killer also let down his scam artist daughter arnelle by lying and not showing up to her court hearing. What a guy.

[martin II]

To quote you in so many of your posts, martin -- hahahahaha.:biggrin:


I still think fred was USED by the people that took all the money and gave him
.17 per book.

martin

[martin II]

I wonder what effect Opra's comments about the book will have on the sales.
It seems to be doing better at B&N than Amazon.

IMO
MARTIN ii

[tv]

I still think fred was USED by the people that took all the money and gave him
.17 per book.

martinmartin, you say that Fred Goldman was USED because if you acknowledge he went into this book deal knowing what his profit would be then he's not the greedy man you keep saying he is. Your position on this just doesn't fly. I think it's time for you to admit you're wrong about Mr. Goldman's motives.

[tv]

I wonder what effect Opra's comments about the book will have on the sales.
It seems to be doing better at B&N than Amazon.

IMO
MARTIN iiIt's #1 on Amazon.com right now. :)

[Heyes]

I wonder what effect Opra's comments about the book will have on the sales.
It seems to be doing better at B&N than Amazon.

IMO
MARTIN ii


#1 @ Amazon .com

go see for yourself!

[Heyes]

It's #1 on Amazon.com right now. :)

Guess we posted at the same time,, lol
Denial is someones best friend, wouldn't you say?
lmao!

[tv]

Guess we posted at the same time,, lol
Denial is someones best friend, wouldn't you say?
lmao!Oops! Sorry about that! :D

I have to agree; some people are living in a constant State of Denial which is located in Fantasy Land. ;)

[WarmNCozy]

and it was shipped today. I will report on the contents and my take on it.

Martin, you seem to be deluged on this board with con OJ people with you the only pro! Well, I'm here to help! I'm pro OJ not being a murderer, a wife beater, yes!

Lots of media with lots of takes on todays episode in the life of OJ ... trying to retrieve his property! We shall see!

Several posters would like OJ stripped of the necessities -- car, home, support of his children! He was found not guilty in the murder of Nicole and Ron ... but guilty in the public eyes!

The book is a best seller, for how many weeks; hopefully enough to satisfy the Goldman's court award. $ will not appease the anguish of this family - a life cannot be "bought" but maybe the satisfaction of the proceeds will help the pain.

To wish his children to be deprived of support is cruel! They didn't do anything.

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman hit the nail on the head:

Fred Goldman, Ron's Goldman's father, defended the family's decision to publish the book. He noted Simpson's penchant for breaking headlines.

"He brings attention to himself every time we turn around and he will continue to do that forever," Goldman said Friday on NBC's "Today Show."

What is fred implying, that he and only he has the right to respond to tv interview request? Wonder what gave him that idea?
imo
martin II

[tv]

and it was shipped today. I will report on the contents and my take on it.

Martin, you seem to be deluged on this board with con OJ people with you the only pro! Well, I'm here to help! I'm pro OJ not being a murderer, a wife beater, yes!

Lots of media with lots of takes on todays episode in the life of OJ ... trying to retrieve his property! We shall see!

Several posters would like OJ stripped of the necessities -- car, home, support of his children! He was found not guilty in the murder of Nicole and Ron ... but guilty in the public eyes!

The book is a best seller, for how many weeks; hopefully enough to satisfy the Goldman's court award. $ will not appease the anguish of this family - a life cannot be "bought" but maybe the satisfaction of the proceeds will help the pain.

To wish his children to be deprived of support is cruel! They didn't do anything.It was cruel of him to deprive his children of a mother. If he can't support his family on $26,000 a month maybe he needs to seek help from a credit counselor. Too bad they don't have the violin-playing smilie on here.

[tv]

What is fred implying, that he and only he has the right to respond to tv interview request? Wonder what gave him that idea?
imo
martin IINo, martin, he's talking about all the dumb stuff that OJS does that puts him out in the public. You know, the slasher conventions, writing the book, and now possibly armed robbery.

[martin II]

#1 @ Amazon .com

go see for yourself!

tv
last night it was reported at #52 on amazon so i guess the exposure on Oprah did help. it is also #1 on B&N
I guess the publisher will have to print more books. I certainly hope so because .17 for the amount the publisher said he would print will not get it.

IMO
MARTIN ii

[tv]

tv
last night it was reported at #52 on amazon so i guess the exposure on Oprah did help. it is also #1 on B&N
I guess the publisher will have to print more books. I certainly hope so because .17 for the amount the publisher said he would print will not get it.

IMO
MARTIN iiWill not get what?

[WarmNCozy]

It was cruel of him to deprive his children of a mother. If he can't support his family on $26,000 a month maybe he needs to seek help from a credit counselor. Too bad they don't have the violin-playing smilie on here.

He didn't deprive the children of a mother. Someone did! But Nicole did not provide money to feed, house, and support these children! OJ did and has! And now you want them to be poverty stricken? How sad!

[WarmNCozy]

It was cruel of him to deprive his children of a mother. If he can't support his family on $26,000 a month maybe he needs to seek help from a credit counselor. Too bad they don't have the violin-playing smilie on here.


Here you go!http://bestsmileys.com/misbehaving/4.gif

[martin II]

martin, you say that Fred Goldman was USED because if you acknowledge he went into this book deal knowing what his profit would be then he's not the greedy man you keep saying he is. Your position on this just doesn't fly. I think it's time for you to admit you're wrong about Mr. Goldman's motives.

TV
I dount that fred has for 12 years hired these lawyers to end up with $25,000.00
$12,000 for him and kim each and don't forget the IRS will take their share.

I believe that when he got the title he saw large amounts of money coming his way.I think most did. I think he was surprised when the lawyers, the CA. Agent and the publisher made their calculations and then grabbed most of the money and left him with .17 per book. But there was nothing he could do
as he had already signed off with the publisher under contract.
For some time people had suggested that the lawyers were working Pro Bono as they believed in Freds cause. Sems they believed in the possibility of makiing money off of his cause and not just the cause.
At any rate Fred got the short end of the stick as far as i am concerned.
As oprah said, he will now need to sell a million or more books to make any money.
imo

[tv]

He didn't deprive the children of a mother. Someone did! But Nicole did not provide money to feed, house, and support these children! OJ did and has! And now you want them to be poverty stricken? How sad!According to the verdict in the civil trial he did deprive his children of a mother. Poverty stricken? If he can't live on $26,000 a month he needs to downsize his lifestyle.

[tv]

TV
I dount that fred has for 12 years hired these lawyers to end up with $25,000.00
$12,000 for him and kim each and don't forget the IRS will take their share.

I believe that when he got the title he saw large amounts of money coming his way.I think most did. I think he was surprised when the lawyers, the CA. Agent and the publisher made their calculations and then grabbed most of the money and left him with .17 per book. But there was nothing he could do
as he had already signed off with the publisher under contract.
For some time people had suggested that the lawyers were working Pro Bono as they believed in Freds cause. Sems they believed in the possibility of makiing money off of his cause and not just the cause.
At any rate Fred got the short end of the stick as far as i am concerned.
As oprah said, he will now need to sell a million or more books to make any money.
imoPure fantasy on your part.

[WarmNCozy]

According to the verdict in the civil trial he did deprive his children of a mother. Poverty stricken? If he can't live on $26,000 a month he needs to downsize his lifestyle.

and knows OJ's income! Show me!

[tv]

and knows OJ's income! Show me!No, I'm not going to show you. The amount of his NFL pension is common knowledge.

[martin II]

According to the verdict in the civil trial he did deprive his children of a mother. Poverty stricken? If he can't live on $26,000 a month he needs to downsize his lifestyle.

i think people can get into trouble when they try to set standards of living for others. After all oj was use to a very high lifestyle and there is no reason why he should downsize because you believe he should.
Plus his kids are entitled to the same lifestyle they had at Brentwood as long as he can afford it.
I am sure you know this.imo
martin II

[martin II]

No, I'm not going to show you. The amount of his NFL pension is common knowledge.

He made a extra $1,000,000 this year which is his right.
So i don't believe fred getting $25,000 would bother him that much.
martin II

[martin II]

Pure fantasy on your part.

what is not fantasy is fred only got .17 out of the deal.If what he and Oprah said is true. At retail the book is selling about $15.00. .17 is not a fair split any way you cut it.imo
martin II

[tv]

i think people can get into trouble when they try to set standards of living for others. After all oj was use to a very high lifestyle and there is no reason why he should downsize because you believe he should.
Plus his kids are entitled to the same lifestyle they had at Brentwood as long as he can afford it.
I am sure you know this.imo
martin III'm not setting any standards. Everyone should try to live within their means and he's no exception. If he wants to continue participating in these tasteless money-making ventures I say he should go for it but he shouldn't be surprised when Fred Goldman snatches it away. By the way, martin, I never said he should downsize because I said he should. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not going to address the lifestyle of the children. It's a ridiculous subject.

[tv]

what is not fantasy is fred only got .17 out of the deal.If what he and Oprah said is true. At retail the book is selling about $15.00. .17 is not a fair split any way you cut it.imo
martin IIYou seem fixated on the idea that Fred Goldman may have been treated unfairly. Why do you suddenly care about Fred Goldman?

[martin II]

Will not get what?

Unless many more book are printed and sold .17 on the number of books the publisher says he will print will not be worth all the effort fred has put into this money making venture.imo
martin II

[martin II]

You seem fixated on the idea that Fred Goldman may have been treated unfairly. Why do you suddenly care about Fred Goldman?

i have previously said that i hope fred makes good money from this book since he in fact did decide to sell it. This way the issue can be closed and he will not have to continue to appear on LKL asking people to support his efforts to make money from the death of his son.Or as Oprah said TAKE BLOOD MONEY.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

You seem fixated on the idea that Fred Goldman may have been treated unfairly. Why do you suddenly care about Fred Goldman?

Do you believe that fred receiving .17 was fair?

martin II

[tv]

Unless many more book are printed and sold .17 on the number of books the publisher says he will print will not be worth all the effort fred has put into this money making venture.imo
martin IImartin, when are you going to understand that it's not about the money? It's about making OJ Simpson suffer. The effort is worth it to Fred Goldman because he's causing the brutal murderer of his son loss of income. You said Fred Goldman was all about money until you found out that the book wasn't giving him much of a profit, then you changed your tune to Fred Goldman still being greedy but not getting much profit only because he was done wrong by the publisher not because he didn't care about the money. Don't you think his lawyers were consulted about the book deal? FG is too smart to go into this with his eyes closed.

[tv]

Do you believe that fred receiving .17 was fair?

martin IIIf Fred Goldman is satisfied with it so am I. Even if FG doesn't get one dime at least OJS won't make any more money off of it.

[tv]

i have previously said that i hope fred makes good money from this book since he in fact did decide to sell it. This way the issue can be closed and he will not have to continue to appear on LKL asking people to support his efforts to make money from the death of his son.Or as Oprah said TAKE BLOOD MONEY.
imo
martin IIIf OJ Simpson goes to jail it will be hard for Fred Goldman to get any money from him. This might be his last chance for a while. By the way, I don't think anyone twisted Larry King's arm to have Fred Goldman on his show. He features guests that people are interested in.

You can call it blood money on Fred Goldman's part all you want. OJ Simpson will have blood on his hands forever.

[martin II]

martin, when are you going to understand that it's not about the money? It's about making OJ Simpson suffer. The effort is worth it to Fred Goldman because he's causing the brutal murderer of his son loss of income. You said Fred Goldman was all about money until you found out that the book wasn't giving him much of a profit, then you changed your tune to Fred Goldman still being greedy but not getting much profit only because he was done wrong by the publisher not because he didn't care about the money. Don't you think his lawyers were consulted about the book deal? FG is too smart to go into this with his eyes closed.

If fred was not in this for the money then he could just give it away.I don't think oj is crying about fred getting $25,000 as he has received about $1,000,000 so i believe oj is ahead of that game.
I have not changed my position at all. I believe fred filed a action in the CA court to get money. I believe when he made application to the bankruptcy judge it was about trying to get money. When he looked for and found a publisher to sell the book he was after money. I believe he is after money now.
I don't believe he knew that his share would be .17 until the CA agent ,the publisher and the many lawyers decided what they would take from the deal.

As Oprah said this is a bad book deal if he is only getting .17.
i believe the audiance approved of that statement.
Do you believe many people will turn the book over in the store as was suggested?

imo
martin II

[tv]

If fred was not in this for the money then he could just give it away.I don't think oj is crying about fred getting $25,000 as he has received about $1,000,000 so i believe oj is ahead of that game.
I have not changed my position at all. I believe fred filed a action in the CA court to get money. I believe when he made application to the bankruptcy judge it was about trying to get money. When he looked for and found a publisher to sell the book he was after money. I believe he is after money now.
I don't believe he knew that his share would be .17 until the CA agent ,the publisher and the many lawyers decided what they would take from the deal.

As Oprah said this is a bad book deal if he is only getting .17.
i believe the audiance approved of that statement.
Do you believe many people will turn the book over in the store as was suggested?

imo
martin IIThere's really nothing else I can say to you that I haven't already said. You're going to put your own spin on it no matter what the facts are.

[WarmNCozy]

No, I'm not going to show you. The amount of his NFL pension is common knowledge.


Your "common knowledge" is only privy to the IRS!

[martin II]

If OJ Simpson goes to jail it will be hard for Fred Goldman to get any money from him. This might be his last chance for a while. By the way, I don't think anyone twisted Larry King's arm to have Fred Goldman on his show. He features guests that people are interested in.

You can call it blood money on Fred Goldman's part all you want. OJ Simpson will have blood on his hands forever.

HC and Fox was not forced to do the oj interview. Neither was the media outlet that did the four day radio interview. I have not read of any media outlet being forced to interview oj. Have you?


imo
martin II

[WarmNCozy]

There's really nothing else I can say to you that I haven't already said. You're going to put your own spin on it no matter what the facts are.

doesn't put any spin on anything! And remains, with all the posters against him, logical and sensitive and credible!

[tv]

HC and Fox was not forced to do the oj interview. Neither was the media outlet that did the four day radio interview. I have not read of any media outlet being forced to interview oj. Have you?


imo
martin IINo. :shrug:

[martin II]

There's really nothing else I can say to you that I haven't already said. You're going to put your own spin on it no matter what the facts are.

No spin on my part.Just the facts.
HAHAHA
IMO
MARTIN ii

[tv]

No spin on my part.Just the facts.
HAHAHA
IMO
MARTIN iiIf you have a link to the "fact" that Fred Goldman was deceived and misled with the book deal I'd like to see it.

[tv]

doesn't put any spin on anything! And remains, with all the posters against him, logical and sensitive and credible!martin and I have differing opinions. I think he's dead-wrong and he thinks I'm dead-wrong but we have managed to remain civil. We really don't need you to referee for us.

[martin II]

No, martin, he's talking about all the dumb stuff that OJS does that puts him out in the public. You know, the slasher conventions, writing the book, and now possibly armed robbery.

how does one commit POSSIBLE armed robery. Either he did or he did not.
martin II

[tv]

how does one commit POSSIBLE armed robery. Either he did or he did not.
martin IIGeez, martin, I meant ALLEGED because we don't know all the facts yet. It's POSSIBLE it was armed robbery. The victims says armed, OJ Simpson says not armed. I like to wait until all the facts are out before passing judgement on exactly what happened. He admits he was there so that fact isn't in dispute.

[martin II]

If you have a link to the "fact" that Fred Goldman was deceived and misled with the book deal I'd like to see it.

tv
So now you want to play the link game.
Part of what i have posted was taken from the Oprah show of yesterday which i believe you saw and has been discussed here.The balance was offered as my opinions which i believe to be factual and which i closed with IMO.
so i have no idea as to why you are asking for some link.
imo
martin II

[tv]

tv
So now you want to play the link game.
Part of what i have posted was taken from the Oprah show of yesterday which i believe you saw and has been discussed here.The balance was offered as my opinions which i believe to be factual and which i closed with IMO.
so i have no idea as to why you are asking for some link.
imo
martin IIWhy is it only a game when I ask but it's a legitimate request when you ask?

[WarmNCozy]

martin and I have differing opinions. I think he's dead-wrong and he thinks I'm dead-wrong but we have managed to remain civil. We really don't need you to referee for us.

Is is possible that I happen to agree with him?!?

I do TV!

[martin II]

Why is it only a game when I ask but it's a legitimate request when you ask?

you did see imo
in my post right?
martin II

[martin II]

Geez, martin, I meant ALLEGED because we don't know all the facts yet. It's POSSIBLE it was armed robbery. The victims says armed, OJ Simpson says not armed. I like to wait until all the facts are out before passing judgement on exactly what happened. He admits he was there so that fact isn't in dispute.

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here is something to consider.

Simpson told The Associated Press that auction house owner Tom Riccio called him several weeks ago to say some collectors "have a lot of your stuff and they don't want anyone to know they are selling it."

Simpson, who was in Las Vegas for a friend's wedding, said he arranged to meet Riccio at the hotel and conducted a "sting operation."

"Everybody knows this is stolen stuff," Simpson said. "Not only wasn't there a break-in, but Riccio came to the lobby and escorted us up to the room. In any event, it's stolen stuff that's mine. Nobody was roughed up."

Riccio, interviewed by FOX5 News in Las Vegas, claims he witnessed the incident.

Riccio said he was contacted a month ago by someone claiming to have "personal possessions" of O.J. Simpson.

Riccio then contacted Simpson about the items.

Riccio then claims he was meeting with the potential customer Thursday night at the Palace Station hotel when Simpson entered the room with several other people and "reclaimed the items," according to FOX5.

Simpson did not use force when entering the room, was not armed and did not act violently, Riccio said.

martin II

[martin II]

Geez, martin, I meant ALLEGED because we don't know all the facts yet. It's POSSIBLE it was armed robbery. The victims says armed, OJ Simpson says not armed. I like to wait until all the facts are out before passing judgement on exactly what happened. He admits he was there so that fact isn't in dispute.

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And based on what you have said above, for you it is possible that oj may go to jail and fred will not be able to get money from him. How did you get to oj "may go to jail" from what you posted above?
martin II

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Is is possible that I happen to agree with him?!?

I do TV!You're entltled to whatever opinion you want to have. I suggest you become more knowledgable about the facts surrounding the case before you try to discuss it.

[tv]

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And based on what you have said above, for you it is possible that oj may go to jail and fred will not be able to get money from him. How did you get to oj "may go to jail" from what you posted above?
martin IIIf OJ Simpson committed a crime it's possible he may go to jail. What's confusing about that?

[martin II]

martin and I have differing opinions. I think he's dead-wrong and he thinks I'm dead-wrong but we have managed to remain civil. We really don't need you to referee for us.

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i don't think that is a nice comment to make to a poster that is expressing a opinion.
martin II

[tv]

you did see imo
in my post right?
martin IIYes, I saw it.

[tv]

No spin on my part.Just the facts.
HAHAHA
IMO
MARTIN iiFacts or opinion? You can't have it both ways.

[martin II]

If OJ Simpson committed a crime it's possible he may go to jail. What's confusing about that?

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Did le say oj commited a crime? How is it possile, in your mind, that he would go to jail and LE has not charged him with any crime.
As a matter of fact the man riccio that was there said oj did nothing wrong.No Gun no vlolence.

MARTIN ii

[WarmNCozy]

You're entltled to whatever opinion you want to have. I suggest you become more knowledgable about the facts surrounding the case before you try to discuss it.

Because I have just joined this board, I'm a dummy in your opinion?

May I ask you why you think that? Facts only, please!

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Did le say oj commited a crime? How is it possile, in your mind, that he would go to jail and LE has not charged him with any crime.
As a matter of fact the man riccio that was there said oj did nothing wrong.No Gun no vlolence.

MARTIN iimartin, IF he committed a crime he may go to jail. I'm not going to nitpick about this.

[martin II]

You're entltled to whatever opinion you want to have. I suggest you become more knowledgable about the facts surrounding the case before you try to discuss it.

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how do you know that the poster is not knowledgable about the case?
martin II

[WarmNCozy]

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how do you know that the poster is not knowledgable about the case?
martin II

For your support, but I have enough knowledge of this case to stand up for myself! But I appreciate your defense of me!

[tv]

Because I have just joined this board, I'm a dummy in your opinion?

May I ask you why you think that? Facts only, please!I didn't call you a dummy or refer to your join date of this board. You're being a tad bit dramatic.

[martin II]

martin, IF he committed a crime he may go to jail. I'm not going to nitpick about this.

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i am not assumming that oj commited any crime until le says so.Therefore i am not willing to accept all the possibilities that he MAY go to jail.Since he has not been charged and there has not been a trial. That would be creating a biased opinion or twisting the facts on my part. Or wishfull thinking as they call it.imo
martin II

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i am not assumming that oj commited any crime until le says so.Therefore i am not willing to accept all the possibilities that he MAY go to jail.Since he has not been charged and there has not been a trial. That would be creating a biased opinion or twisting the facts on my part. Or wishfull thinking as they call it.imo
martin III don't want OJ Simpson to be convicted of a crime unless he actually committed that crime. No wishful thinking on my part.

[WarmNCozy]

I didn't call you a dummy or refer to your join date of this board. You're being a tad bit dramatic.

Or calm, cool and collected!

You questioned my knowledge and a referee for Martin!

What is that all about?

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Or calm, cool and collected!

You questioned my knowledge and a referee for Martin!

What is that all about?If you have a problem with what I've posted feel free to contact a moderator. I don't intend to explain every comment I make to you. I'm here to discuss OJ Simpson, the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson and related topics and that's all.

[martin II]

If you have a problem with what I've posted feel free to contact a moderator. I don't intend to explain every comment I make to you. I'm here to discuss OJ Simpson, the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson and related topics and that's all.

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did you see a strange frown on ferds face when Oprah said the book was dispecable and blood money and she would not buy or read it. Or when the blond lady said she will turn the book over on the store shelfs. Little kim had some words for Oprah. What was that about.

imo
martin II

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did you see a strange frown on ferds face when Oprah said the book was dispecable and blood money and she would not buy or read it. Or when the blond lady said she will turn the book over on the store shelfs. Little kim had some words for Oprah. What was that about.

imo
martin III haven't seen the whole show only excerpts from it. I can see Oprah's point. It is a despicable book. I also understand why Fred Goldman had the book published. I really do see both sides of it.

What words did Kim have for Oprah?

[martin II]

I haven't seen the whole show only excerpts from it. I can see Oprah's point. It is a despicable book. I also understand why Fred Goldman had the book published. I really do see both sides of it.

What words did Kim have for Oprah?

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From memory. Oprah said kim had indicated that she was insulted by what Oprah said on one of the issues. Oprah told the audiance of Kims comments and then explained why she made the comments.She also asked if money would give him satisfaction. why had he been against the book until he got the title. Chris Darden said he understood Denises position but then told fred
he thibnks fred should chase oj uintil the day he dies.Trying to act tough on tv. M clarks is a blond with no more jerry curl. Said she MAY buy the book but not read it.
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped* ". . .Several posters would like OJ stripped of the necessities -- car, home, support of his children!. . .To wish his children to be deprived of support is cruel! They didn't do anything."

orenthal's children by his first marriage are in their their 30's -- adults -- guess they could work and support themselves. But then of course, there is arnelle. . .

Nicole's children are adults now. They have Nicole's estate and and proceeds from the book. My guess is their cut from the sale of the book is probably larger through the Goldman arrangement than what daddy and his co-conspirator were willing to give them. imo

[weezer]

i think people can get into trouble when they try to set standards of living for others. After all oj was use to a very high lifestyle and there is no reason why he should downsize because you believe he should.
Plus his kids are entitled to the same lifestyle they had at Brentwood as long as he can afford it.
I am sure you know this.imo
martin II

that's how I felt when you slammed Nicole for trying to maintain the same lifestyle for her children when they moved out of Rockingham. What did you say then?

[weezer]

Or calm, cool and collected!

You questioned my knowledge and a referee for Martin!

What is that all about?

troll? :chicken:

[weezer]

If it were me, I wouldn't want the book to pay off the judgement because that would end my ability to go after the murderer of my child. I would have fulfilled the requirements of getting the book (monetizing), orenthal and his co-conspirator would not be getting any money from the sales, and at 17 cents a book, orenthal could look forward to years and years of looking over his shoulder for me.

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If it were me, I wouldn't want the book to pay off the judgement because that would end my ability to go after the murderer of my child. I would have fulfilled the requirements of getting the book (monetizing), orenthal and his co-conspirator would not be getting any money from the sales, and at 17 cents a book, orenthal could look forward to years and years of looking over his shoulder for me.I like that idea...nickel and dime him to pieces! LOL.

[martin II]

To end the news conference, Dillon assured everyone: "The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department is very committed and very focused on conducting a thorough and biased and competent investigation."

A tired cop talking.

hahaha
martin II

[weezer]

To end the news conference, Dillon assured everyone: "The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department is very committed and very focused on conducting a thorough and biased and competent investigation."

A tired cop talking.

hahaha
martin II

good one -- almost as funny as orenthal saying he was conducting his own 'sting' operation. hahaha

[martin II]

good one -- almost as funny as orenthal saying he was conducting his own 'sting' operation. hahaha

AP retracted the 'STING' as a quote from Oj as he never said that.

martin II

[martin II]

good one -- almost as funny as orenthal saying he was conducting his own 'sting' operation. hahaha

hope thats not his frame of mind.

martinII

[weezer]

AP retracted the 'STING' as a quote from Oj as he never said that.

martin II

I can't find the retraction -- did that happen today?

[weezer]

AP retracted the 'STING' as a quote from Oj as he never said that.

martin II

this AP?

Sep 15, 12:51 PM EDT
Simpson named suspect in Vegas robbery

By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY and LINDA DEUTSCH
Associated Press Writers

". . .Simpson said he was conducting a sting operation on Thursday to collect his belongings when he was led to the room. . ."

[weezer]

read this on Greta's blog (not written by Greta but someone posting there) and thought it was excellent:

"Several have commented on the Goldmans publishing the book and how it was not a good idea. Look, people, when they won control of the rights to the book the judge ruled that they had to monetize, or get money from, the book to pay off the debt to them and other creditors. If they had merely tried to suppress the book, the rights would have returned to O.J. and he would have made blood money after all.

Jillian, the law doesn’t allow “self help” as a redress to a grievance. If O.J. really had a claim to the items in the hotel room, then his recourse was to notify the police, and offer to be there when the police raided the room to identify the disputed property. If O.J. and his buddies entered that room and took property from it, regardless who a court would finally determine its owner was, that is robbery. When you add violence or the threat of violence involving any weapon, it becomes armed robbery. When all the dust is settled, I doubt that any court will rule that the property belongs to O.J.. There are several possibilities for the material ending up in the hands of the dealer. Simpson may feel ripped off, but that doesn’t mean he has a right to feel that way. He may have even been trying a little subterfuge in selling stuff that he did own, but which, by court order, really belongs to the Goldmans and the other creditors."

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read this on Greta's blog (not written by Greta but someone posting there) and thought it was excellent:

"Several have commented on the Goldmans publishing the book and how it was not a good idea. Look, people, when they won control of the rights to the book the judge ruled that they had to monetize, or get money from, the book to pay off the debt to them and other creditors. If they had merely tried to suppress the book, the rights would have returned to O.J. and he would have made blood money after all.

Jillian, the law doesn’t allow “self help” as a redress to a grievance. If O.J. really had a claim to the items in the hotel room, then his recourse was to notify the police, and offer to be there when the police raided the room to identify the disputed property. If O.J. and his buddies entered that room and took property from it, regardless who a court would finally determine its owner was, that is robbery. When you add violence or the threat of violence involving any weapon, it becomes armed robbery. When all the dust is settled, I doubt that any court will rule that the property belongs to O.J.. There are several possibilities for the material ending up in the hands of the dealer. Simpson may feel ripped off, but that doesn’t mean he has a right to feel that way. He may have even been trying a little subterfuge in selling stuff that he did own, but which, by court order, really belongs to the Goldmans and the other creditors."This really is excellent. I keep forgetting that Fred Goldman had to market the book to keep it of of OJ Simpson's hands.

As for OJ Simpson's "sting" operation, I think he did (on a smaller scale) what he did the night he murdered Ron and Nicole. He was upset at the rejection from Paula and Nicole on that night. This time he was upset at Fred Goldman snatching the book from him. So true to form he reacts with violence.

[martin II]

If it were me, I wouldn't want the book to pay off the judgement because that would end my ability to go after the murderer of my child. I would have fulfilled the requirements of getting the book (monetizing), orenthal and his co-conspirator would not be getting any money from the sales, and at 17 cents a book, orenthal could look forward to years and years of looking over his shoulder for me.

weezer
That would mean that fred would be stradled with this mess for most of his remaining years along with the accompaning anger and hate.With you edging him on without concern for his mental health. I think fred needs to get some level of money, since that is what he is after, and then move on.
I think most mental health and or health care professionals would agree.IMO
MARTIN ii

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weezer
That would mean that fred would be stradled with this mess for most of his remaining years along with the accompaning anger and hate.With you edging him on without concern for his mental health. I think fred needs to get some level of money, since that is what he is after, and then move on.
I think most mental health and or health care professionals would agree.IMO
MARTIN iiFred Goldman has lost his son and is grieving and want's the murderer to suffer. OJ Simpson kills two human beings in a brutal manner. Fred Goldman is the one that needs professional help? Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

OJ is quoted in one of media sites today saying he and his family has moved on from the if i did it book sometime ago. He has nothing against fred and he wishes him well.
imo
martinii

[martin II]

Fred Goldman has lost his son and is grieving and want's the murderer to suffer. OJ Simpson kills two human beings in a brutal manner. Fred Goldman is the one that needs professional help? Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

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I did not say fred needs professional help.although he may.so no need to twist my post.

From your post it seems that you may not understand what the mental heath
professionals have said about a person carrying hate and anger within themselves for long periods of time regardless of the reason.imo
martin II

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I did not say fred needs professional help.although he may.so no need to twist my post.

From your post it seems that you may not understand what the mental heath
professionals have said about a person carrying hate and anger within themselves for long periods of time regardless of the reason.imo
martin III understand all about carrying hate and anger. I also understand you can't dictate how one person deals with it or their grief. I'm sure OJ Simpson has moved on...after all, no one slaughtered any of his children.

[weezer]

weezer
That would mean that fred would be stradled with this mess for most of his remaining years along with the accompaning anger and hate.With you edging him on without concern for his mental health. I think fred needs to get some level of money, since that is what he is after, and then move on.
I think most mental health and or health care professionals would agree.IMO
MARTIN ii

I heard/read someone this week who 'said': "Who has the right to tell anyone else how much or how long they can grieve." Are you thinking you have that answer martin?

The Goldmans have made it clear that the money is the least of what they want. The Goldmans have made it clear that they want orenthal to suffer in the only way available to them -- financially.

orenthal needs to pay the judgement and then he can 'move on'. imo

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I heard/read someone this week who 'said': "Who has the right to tell anyone else how much or how long they can grieve." Are you thinking you have that answer martin?

The Goldmans have made it clear that the money is the least of what they want. The Goldmans have made it clear that they want orenthal to suffer in the only way available to them -- financially.

orenthal needs to pay the judgement and then he can 'move on'. imoNo matter what Simpson says I don't think he has moved on. Why didn't he just 'move on' and forget about his former possessions that were being sold in LV? He can't let material items go but martin expects Fred Goldman to 'move on' from the murder of his son?

[martin II]

No matter what Simpson says I don't think he has moved on. Why didn't he just 'move on' and forget about his former possessions that were being sold in LV? He can't let material items go but martin expects Fred Goldman to 'move on' from the murder of his son?

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i am sure my quote of oj said "he and his family had long put the 'IF I DID IT " BOOK behind them and moved on. it said nothing about his personal items that he says were stolen from him which he was after Thursday.IMO
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

a couple of quotes about holding anger.

“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”
Buddha quotes (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)



Holding on to anger, resentment and hurt only gives you tense muscles, a headache and a sore jaw from clenching your teeth. Forgiveness gives you back the laughter and the lightness in your life.”
Joan Lunden quotes



martin II

[martin II]

I heard/read someone this week who 'said': "Who has the right to tell anyone else how much or how long they can grieve." Are you thinking you have that answer martin?

The Goldmans have made it clear that the money is the least of what they want. The Goldmans have made it clear that they want orenthal to suffer in the only way available to them -- financially.

orenthal needs to pay the judgement and then he can 'move on'. imo

regardless of what fred says, his actions past and present indicates that he has been and is still AFTER THE MONEY.IMO
martin II

[weezer]

regardless of what fred says, his actions past and present indicates that he has been and is still AFTER THE MONEY.IMO
martin II

then so be it. what's your point?

[martin II]

I heard/read someone this week who 'said': "Who has the right to tell anyone else how much or how long they can grieve." Are you thinking you have that answer martin?

The Goldmans have made it clear that the money is the least of what they want. The Goldmans have made it clear that they want orenthal to suffer in the only way available to them -- financially.

orenthal needs to pay the judgement and then he can 'move on'. imo

weezer
it is easy for you to sit in the confy of wherever you are and edge fred to continue to hold hate and anger to the bitter end. But it is not you that has to deal with the negative effects of holding this anger. But them maby some have difficulty understanding this issues of anger.imo
martin II

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i am sure my quote of oj said "he and his family had long put the 'IF I DID IT " BOOK behind them and moved on. it said nothing about his personal items that he says were stolen from him which he was after Thursday.IMO
MARTIN iiJust because you didn't mention the items in the hotel room doesn't mean that I can't.

I'm sure you don't want to discuss his latest screw-up. It must be hard for you to keep defending someone that just keeps doing these dumb things.

[weezer]

a couple of quotes about holding anger.

“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”
Buddha quotes (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)



Holding on to anger, resentment and hurt only gives you tense muscles, a headache and a sore jaw from clenching your teeth. Forgiveness gives you back the laughter and the lightness in your life.”
Joan Lunden quotes



martin II

A wife who loses a husband is called a widow. A husband who loses a wife is called a widower. A child who loses his parents is called an orphan. But...there is no word for a parent who loses a child, that's how awful the loss is! - Neugeboren 1976, 154

It is frequently said that the grief of bereaved parents is the most intense grief known. When a child dies, parents feel that a part of them has died, that a vital and core part of them has been ripped away. Bereaved parents indeed do feel that the death of their child is "the ultimate deprivation" (Arnold and Gemma 1994, 40). The grief caused by their child's death is not only painful but profoundly disorienting-children are not supposed to die. These parents are forced to confront an extremely painful and stressful paradox; they are faced with a situation in which they must deal both with the grief caused by their child's death and with their inherent need to continue to live their own lives as fully as possible. Thus, bereaved parents must deal with the contradictory burden of wanting to be free of this overwhelming pain and yet needing it as a reminder of the child who died.

Bereaved parents continue to be parents of the child who died. They will always feel the empty place in their hearts caused by the child's death; they were, and always will be, the loving father and mother of that child. Yet, these parents have to accept that they will never be able to live their lives with or share their love openly with the child. So they must find ways to hold on to the memories. Many bereaved parents come to learn that "memories are the precious gifts of the heart...[that they need] these memories and whispers, to help create a sense of inner peace, a closeness" (Wisconsin Perspectives Newsletter, Spring 1989, 1).

After a child's death, parents embark on a long, sad journey that can be very frightening and extremely lonely- a journey that never really ends.

"An image haunts me:
proceeding across a battlefield,
my father now dead,
I am up front to draw the fire.
I look back,
and one of those I was to protect has fallen."

Nicholas Wolterstorff, Lament for a Son (1987)

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weezer
it is easy for you to sit in the confy of wherever you are and edge fred to continue to hold hate and anger to the bitter end. But it is not you that has to deal with the negative effects of holding this anger. But them maby some have difficulty understanding this issues of anger.imo
martin IIDo you really think Fred Goldman bases his decisions in life on what posters on a message board say? Seriously?

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A wife who loses a husband is called a widow. A husband who loses a wife is called a widower. A child who loses his parents is called an orphan. But...there is no word for a parent who loses a child, that's how awful the loss is! - Neugeboren 1976, 154

It is frequently said that the grief of bereaved parents is the most intense grief known. When a child dies, parents feel that a part of them has died, that a vital and core part of them has been ripped away. Bereaved parents indeed do feel that the death of their child is "the ultimate deprivation" (Arnold and Gemma 1994, 40). The grief caused by their child's death is not only painful but profoundly disorienting-children are not supposed to die. These parents are forced to confront an extremely painful and stressful paradox; they are faced with a situation in which they must deal both with the grief caused by their child's death and with their inherent need to continue to live their own lives as fully as possible. Thus, bereaved parents must deal with the contradictory burden of wanting to be free of this overwhelming pain and yet needing it as a reminder of the child who died.

Bereaved parents continue to be parents of the child who died. They will always feel the empty place in their hearts caused by the child's death; they were, and always will be, the loving father and mother of that child. Yet, these parents have to accept that they will never be able to live their lives with or share their love openly with the child. So they must find ways to hold on to the memories. Many bereaved parents come to learn that "memories are the precious gifts of the heart...[that they need] these memories and whispers, to help create a sense of inner peace, a closeness" (Wisconsin Perspectives Newsletter, Spring 1989, 1).

After a child's death, parents embark on a long, sad journey that can be very frightening and extremely lonely- a journey that never really ends.

"An image haunts me:
proceeding across a battlefield,
my father now dead,
I am up front to draw the fire.
I look back,
and one of those I was to protect has fallen."

Nicholas Wolterstorff, Lament for a Son (1987)

Thanks for posting this, weezer. Having come close to losing a child through illness it really touched me. :)

[weezer]

weezer
it is easy for you to sit in the confy of wherever you are and edge fred to continue to hold hate and anger to the bitter end. But it is not you that has to deal with the negative effects of holding this anger. But them maby some have difficulty understanding this issues of anger.imo
martin II

and you obviously don't/can't understand grief. I would never 'edge' (whatever that means) Mr. Goldman on. I do support him and his efforts.

[martin II]

weezer
i am sure you may dissagree with the information below.
But i will post it for others that may be open to a different opinion about holding onto anger than yours.

martin II


Over time, holding on to anger can cause your health to go on a downward spiral. In fact, anger:

Increases your risk for cardiovascular disease, diabetes and high blood pressure, according to the August 2007 issue of Brain, Behavior and Immunity.
Decreases lung function, according to the journal Health Psychology.
May predict your risk of heart disease better than other traditional risk factors like high cholesterol, cigarette smoking and weight, according to a study in the November 2002 issue of Health Psychology.
Further, anger and rage have also been linked to emotional pain that, if left unchecked, can lead to depression, substance abuse and other problems.

Of course, anger is also stressful, and stress is responsible for 75 percent to 90 percent of Americans' doctor visits, according to the American Institute for Stress.

If you are holding on to anger, your personal and professional relationships will also begin to suffer, either because of your negative outlook, silent "simmering," violent outbursts or tendency to "lose it" over minor problems



http://www.sedona.com/lp-angerrelease.aspx

[weezer]

weezer
i am sure you may dissagree with the information below.
But i will post it for others that may be open to a different opinion about holding onto anger than yours.

martin II


Over time, holding on to anger can cause your health to go on a downward spiral. In fact, anger:

Increases your risk for cardiovascular disease, diabetes and high blood pressure, according to the August 2007 issue of Brain, Behavior and Immunity.
Decreases lung function, according to the journal Health Psychology.
May predict your risk of heart disease better than other traditional risk factors like high cholesterol, cigarette smoking and weight, according to a study in the November 2002 issue of Health Psychology.
Further, anger and rage have also been linked to emotional pain that, if left unchecked, can lead to depression, substance abuse and other problems.

Of course, anger is also stressful, and stress is responsible for 75 percent to 90 percent of Americans' doctor visits, according to the American Institute for Stress.

If you are holding on to anger, your personal and professional relationships will also begin to suffer, either because of your negative outlook, silent "simmering," violent outbursts or tendency to "lose it" over minor problems



http://www.sedona.com/lp-angerrelease.aspx

I don't know how to answer you. You obviously don't understand the difference between anger and grief but you might could help orenthal by trying to get this information to him. He obviously has a problem with anger. imo

[martin II]

Do you really think Fred Goldman bases his decisions in life on what posters on a message board say? Seriously?

i would hope that fred does not read message boards.But if he does,
I would think that some people that give him support for chasing oj for the rest of his life without concern for the nagative effect this anger can have on him,would be giving him unhealthy advice maby to satiafy their own anger towards OJ.But i hope he has other things to do.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

I don't know how to answer you. You obviously don't understand the difference between anger and grief but you might could help orenthal by trying to get this information to him. He obviously has a problem with anger. imo

weezer
no answer was requested or expected from you. The article speaks for itself.
The issue being discussed by me is the effects of long term holding of anger. Not oj.

martin II

[weezer]

weezer
no answer was requested or expected from you. The article speaks for itself.
The issue being discussed by me is the effects of long term holding of anger. Not oj.

martin II

oh -- I thought since orenthal is the one with the history of and ongoing problems with anger that he was the one to benefit from your post. my bad! ;)

[weezer]

From martin's link: "Further, a new mental illness was revealed in 2006 called intermittent explosive disorder (IED). By definition, IED involves extreme rage, such as outbursts that are unwarranted for the situation, and that can include threats, attacks on others, throwing and breaking things, and even spousal abuse." http://www.sedona.com/lp-angerrelease.aspx

remind anybody of anyone in particular? :eek: can you say 'orenthal'?

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From martin's link: "Further, a new mental illness was revealed in 2006 called intermittent explosive disorder (IED). By definition, IED involves extreme rage, such as outbursts that are unwarranted for the situation, and that can include threats, attacks on others, throwing and breaking things, and even spousal abuse." http://www.sedona.com/lp-angerrelease.aspx

remind anybody of anyone in particular? :eek: can you say 'orenthal'?Orenthal! :beer:

[weezer]

weezer
no answer was requested or expected from you. The article speaks for itself.
The issue being discussed by me is the effects of long term holding of anger. Not oj.

martin II

just curious -- where in this description (from your link) would you put Mr. Goldman?

"As soon as you begin to feel angry, whether because of rush-hour traffic, your neighbor's barking dog, a child who disobeys or a rude salesperson, this is the time to tap into your natural ability to release negative emotions, like anger, anxiety, rage and more, so you can feel calm and at peace even during tense situations."

[martin II]

just curious -- where in this description (from your link) would you put Mr. Goldman?

"As soon as you begin to feel angry, whether because of rush-hour traffic, your neighbor's barking dog, a child who disobeys or a rude salesperson, this is the time to tap into your natural ability to release negative emotions, like anger, anxiety, rage and more, so you can feel calm and at peace even during tense situations."

i have no idea as to where fred is but imo that chasing ojs money with anger and hate TILL THE DAY FRED DIES will not be healthy for fred. I understand that this may not be a concern of yours as long as you may receive entertainment for his chase imo
martin II

[martin II]

Orenthal! :beer:

tv
Thst is not a picture of you and oj in that golf cart is it?
hahaha
martin II

[martin II]

oh -- I thought since orenthal is the one with the history of and ongoing problems with anger that he was the one to benefit from your post. my bad! ;)

i see you are trying to change the subject AGAIN.

martin II

[weezer]

i have no idea as to where fred is but imo that chasing ojs money with anger and hate TILL THE DAY FRED DIES will not be healthy for fred. I understand that this may not be a concern of yours as long as you may receive entertainment for his chase imo
martin II

I watched Mr. Goldman on tv this weekend and he seems fine. Looks healthy and seems to be in control. No one is reporting that he's running around Las Vegas with guns and breaking into hotel rooms or anything. :shrug:

[weezer]

i see you are trying to change the subject AGAIN.

martin II

now that's not true. we were discussing anger and what it can do to a person. I'm simply pointing out that based on everything we know, orenthal is the person that could most benefit from your advice. imo

[martin II]

tv
Thst is not a picture of you and oj in that golf cart is it?
hahaha
martin II

tv'

am i seeing things or did you change it back??
gees.

what happened to the picture??
martin II

[martin II]

now that's not true. we were discussing anger and what it can do to a person. I'm simply pointing out that based on everything we know, orenthal is the person that could most benefit from your advice. imo

wrong again and i think you know it.

I started the conversation about possible anger at it relates to fred if he continues to carry anger/hate for the rest of his life. You have tried to change the subject to focus on oj.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

wrong again and i think you know it.

I started the conversation about possible anger at it relates to fred if he continues to carry anger/hate for the rest of his life. You have tried to change the subject to focus on oj.

imo
martin II

this is the post I answered: "Originally Posted by martin II
weezer
i am sure you may dissagree with the information below.
But i will post it for others that may be open to a different opinion about holding onto anger than yours. . ."

I've simply stated the obvious: Mr. Goldman is not the one who has been accused of being a murderer, batterer, thief, liar, cheat, domestic abuser. On the other hand, orenthal has been found to be all of those things and more and now, he's running around Las Vegas with a gun, breaking into hotel rooms. It appears to me that Mr. Goldman is not the one with the 'anger' problem. imo

[tv]

tv
Thst is not a picture of you and oj in that golf cart is it?
hahaha
martin IINo, it was a picture of Robert Blake and OJ Simpson on the golf course hunting for the real killers of their wives. It was too small so I'm still looking for something easier to see. Too bad because I really liked that one. :biggrin:

[tv]

tv'

am i seeing things or did you change it back??
gees.

what happened to the picture??
martin IImartin, I'd be glad to send it to you if you liked it. Just let me know. :)

[Interesting?]

:rose:I think oj used this book to get attention, which he got. Plus wasn't that book stolen or something like that?

[weezer]

:rose:I think oj used this book to get attention, which he got. Plus wasn't that book stolen or something like that?

orenthal and his co-conspirator wrote the book for money. don't have a clue what you mean about the book being stolen but one of our posters has posted that he read the whole book so maybe he can tell you more. imo

[martin II]

martin, I'd be glad to send it to you if you liked it. Just let me know. :)

tv
naw
i thought it wa interesting. why change it?
martin II

[tv]

tv
naw
i thought it wa interesting. why change it?
martin IIIt was too small for the caption to be read very well. I'll find something else.

[socaldiva]

i have no idea as to where fred is but imo that chasing ojs money with anger and hate TILL THE DAY FRED DIES will not be healthy for fred. I understand that this may not be a concern of yours as long as you may receive entertainment for his chase imo
martin II

Now you're concerned about Fred's health?

[WarmNCozy]

I'm sorry for the Goldman's grief and loss! They are convinced OJ is the killer and want him to pay for this senseless loss! But they have the wrong guy!

Based on this: http://www.wagnerandson.com/
I'm convinced the jury's verdict to be correct.

I have ordered the book, If I did it! --- will read it and try to figure out why OJ wrote it. Is he so desperately lacking in funds? Granted, his livelihood has been drastically reduced because of the brutal murders of Nicole and Ron, but I feel an innocent man will pay for these murders through public opinion, with the help of the media, for the rest of his life! IMHO

[Kate Sachel]

Your "common knowledge" is only privy to the IRS!

OJ Simpson's NFL pension was made public both in the civil trial and by his own admittance to Catherine Crier.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

I'm sorry for the Goldman's grief and loss! They are convinced OJ is the killer and want him to pay for this senseless loss! But they have the wrong guy!

Based on this: http://www.wagnerandson.com/
I'm convinced the jury's verdict to be correct.

I have ordered the book, If I did it! --- will read it and try to figure out why OJ wrote it. Is he so desperately lacking in funds? Granted, his livelihood has been drastically reduced because of the brutal murders of Nicole and Ron, but I feel an innocent man will pay for these murders through public opinion, with the help of the media, for the rest of his life! IMHO

Are you basing your opinion soley on Wagner's website?

Kate

[WarmNCozy]

Are you basing your opinion soley on Wagner's website?

Kate
No, but it makes the most sense to me!

[weezer]

Are you basing your opinion soley on Wagner's website?

Kate

scarey isn't it? :eek:

[Kate Sachel]

No, but it makes the most sense to me!

I respect that, if that's what sense to you.

I've investagted his site, some of it makes sense to me and some of it doesn't. My own personal opinion was years of research and struggling with various factors after initially believing that OJ was innocent.

I still agree with the criminal jury's verdict, but I do also now believe that OJ is guilty.

Kate

[socaldiva]

At one point early on in their discussions, Simpson says to the writer, “I don’t know what the hell you want from me. I’m not going to tell you that I sliced my ex-wife’s neck and watched her eyes roll up into her head.”



Fenjves recalls in his prologue that at one point, Simpson wanted the chapter about the murders to come out of the manuscript. “I hate that f---ing chapter,” he told the writer, but was reminded that it was the reason he’d sold the book. Fenjves observes that Simpson never said it was untrue or imagined.


Simpson did ask for one detail to be removed, however. He originally told Fenjves that Nicole’s Akita, named Kato for their perennial houseguest Kato Kaelin, had wagged its tail when O.J. saw it greet Goldman moments before the murder.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296746,00.html

[socaldiva]

Gee, Martin was giving us updates on how well the book was doing, but he seems to have stopped :shrug: Looks like it's #1 :biggrin:

" During the weekend, the book was the hottest seller in the country, hitting No. 1 on Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.com"



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_us/simpson_questioned

[WarmNCozy]

which I purchased for curiousity sake! After this weekend's discovery of people making money from Simpson's accomplishments and property, I am not giving one cent to the coffers of someone else stealing from OJ -- namely the Goldmans. He wrote the book and should be entitled to every cent it makes.

And with his latest stupidity, I think he'll need every cent he has for lawyers.