OJ's new Book

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Maybe gold-man can get a ny Judge Burg to 'ORDER' O.J.TO GO ON TOUR TO PROMOTE AND SIGN THE BOOK WITH HIM.


I seriously doubt Fred Goldman wants to occupy the same breathing space with his Son's killer :rolleyes:

[jotun]

If the public thwarted the publication, what makes you think they would buy his book & make it a best seller? As I recall, his "I want to tell you" didn't do so well & it wasn't nearly as offensive.

IMO
The thwarted were a vocal minority,just like everything with O.J. But was already a best-seller on pre-orders.

You recall WRONG as usual.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU ' #1 on the best-seller lists for weeks.

'IF I DID IT' # 1 on the best UN-seller lists for weeks.

FREE BOOK--- "author"happy.
O.J." TMZ THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS BOOK OUT FREE TO THE PUBLIC.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

IMO
The thwarted were a vocal minority,just like everything with O.J. But was already a best-seller on pre-orders.

You recall WRONG as usual.

'I WANT TO TELL YOU ' #1 on the best-seller lists for weeks.

'IF I DID IT' # 1 on the best UN-seller lists for weeks.

FREE BOOK--- "author"happy.
O.J." TMZ THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS BOOK OUT FREE TO THE PUBLIC.

IMO

jotun

Nah, the "vocal minority" doesn't get a book squashed. As for your stats on the "I want to tell you" book, all I remember is seeing it at the 99 cent store :tongue:

[martin II]

Martin---IMO
There doesn't seem to be any LBA creditors only O.J. creditors who all filed by june 23.

Do the kids get the book rights back after it is published as they did with Harper Collins???

IMO

jotun

jotun

the judge ruled that lba was a sham, not legal, BUT the lba creditors WERE LEGAL?? hhmmmm


Judge GAVE LBA creditors to oj? hhmmmm

The judge has not made his ARRANGEMENT public so it is difficult to know
exactly what it is.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Martin---IMO
There doesn't seem to be any LBA creditors only O.J. creditors who all filed by june 23.

Do the kids get the book rights back after it is published as they did with Harper Collins???

IMO

jotun


jotun
not sure about this.

Maby the judge has just changed to contract. he has changed everything else.

this publisher does not seem to be the kind that fred needs for this complicated type deal but maby he is the only one fred could get to try.
imo
martin II
martin II

[martin II]

martin ---IMO
On www.denisebrown.com the press release section,she has the things gold-man has said about the book.

Not so comical.Read that gold-man will not grant any more interviews until the book comes out.Then he will sell it to the public.

Maybe gold-man can get a ny Judge Burg to 'ORDER' O.J.TO GO ON TOUR TO PROMOTE AND SIGN THE BOOK WITH HIM.

IMO

jotun


jotun
i am waiting to see the confused look on peoples faces when they see fred
sitting at a table asking people to buy oj's book for his signature.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

ALL---Martin---IMO

Daddy got the kids most of the proceeds 1/4 each or as he said"Alot of money as we knew the book would sell."

I believes it when I sees it. lol

How about all these lawyers thru the years. PetroseLLi's firm spent 6-7 million dollars and only got the proceeds from O.J.'s yard sale.They were working on a contingency fee of 33/1/3%.
The 4 lawyers on this book money deal, must be entittled to a good share also. gold-man could end up with little of what he rakes in on his O.J.BOOK.

IMO

jotun

jotun
i had almost forgot about all the legal fees fred has accumulated. it may be that fred is in some kind of trick here. It may be his lawyers that are driving this quest for money and fred is forced to kinda go along.

I wonder where all the cost for the production, marketing and selling of the book will come from. Maby this publisher will front the whole project. If so what part of the sales money will the publiaher take? Then the creditors including the estate will take their 10%, then fred's 90% will be attacked by his many lawyers and fred will be in a position to receives whatever is left.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

DON'T PAY GOLDMAN

Martin---IMO
Thanks for all the links especially this one. Very interesting.
Tries to give the impression that O.J. knows nothing of this, instead of talking with the tabloid ghostwriter and approving every chapter.Krampman read it so he knows. Well so do all of US, as we have read it also, along with alot of the world. Now the goldman's want him to convict himself of this crime.He was aquitted, so there is no crime of O.J.He has said many times he had no imput of that chapter except for editing out alot. Most of those 'hook' pages make no sence,like it was written by a tabloid writer. Oh excuse me. IT WAS. Even Kim called it 'baloney' when LK read excerts to her.And NOW when goldman gets the proceeds instead of the kids all of US get to decide for ourselves.Earth to Beaufart.WE HAVE.This will be 11 months too late.gold-man deprived US.He couldn't get money from O.J.but thinks we will now reward him with ours. And the best, won't have emphasis on him. HUH. No photo of O.J.'s gorgeous face. A famous writer. Do we smell Dominick Dung??

So gold-man NOW wants US to hear the voice of O.J.and hear him condemn himself.Then wonder why they were so upset when it got "LEAKED" and even blamed O.J.His attorney Battista" I can't tell you how DISTRAUGHT the gold-mans are to hear that this book hit the internet for FREE!!
And his attorney Polock "that the publication DESTROYS the books potential value & came just days away from a legal settlement which would have given the goldmans the right to sell the book to a publisher "There is only 1 person who could have been behind this-and that's O.J.SIMPSON".


IMO

jotun


jotun

the video of fred and his daughter that denise has on her web site tell it all.imo

martin II

[martin II]

you still don't get it -- imo

I have what i need.
MARTINii

[martin II]

jotun

THE SELLING OF THE BOOK.

i wonder if anyone here is willing to hoast a party at their house.
DENISE will go crazy when she reads this plan.imo

http://defamer.com/hollywood/oprah.s-book-club-longshots/if-i-did-it-finally-set-to-make-fred-goldman-stacks-and-stacks-of-blood-money-289837.php


As part of this unprecedented marketing push, Beaufort has announced their plans to launch the book with a series of midnight reading parties across the country, where fans are encouraged to come dressed as their favorite Trial of the Century character and tear through the pages of the long-delayed release, surrounded by life-sized promotional standees recreating the infamous crime scene right down to the cardboard pools of blood, discarded gloves, and Bruno Magli imprints.

[Danni]

Good Taste Cost No More. Mark Furman said Goldman should ask for all the notes OJ gave to the ghost writer - especially if there was a second person involved.

[martin II]

Good Taste Cost No More. Mark Furman said Goldman should ask for all the notes OJ gave to the ghost writer - especially if there was a second person involved.

maby furhman would like to also write a book using the notes. No reason why he should not get involved for some quick cash also. right?

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

maby furhman would like to also write a book using the notes. No reason why he should not get involved for some quick cash also. right?

imo
martin II

It was not said that Furhman wanted the notes. Why do you feel the need to spin it into something it's not? Can't you comprehend that people help each other & do the right thing without a monetary benefit for themselves?

[martin II]

I can see the logic here -- at least, I think I can. If money is to be made on this project, it should go to in some way undo the damage of the murders. And yet, the money isn't being paid by anyone guilty of the crime. It isn't a fine. It's a business proposition, an entertainment property, that the bookbuying public will pay for out of morbid curiosity. The book is said to contain scenes of graphic violence. It seems weird to me that the Goldman family would now be pushing the book that they originally said was a loathsome exploitation of their son's murder.

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/blog/2007/08/if_they_publish_1.html

[socaldiva]

I can see the logic here -- at least, I think I can. If money is to be made on this project, it should go to in some way undo the damage of the murders. And yet, the money isn't being paid by anyone guilty of the crime. It isn't a fine. It's a business proposition, an entertainment property, that the bookbuying public will pay for out of morbid curiosity. The book is said to contain scenes of graphic violence. It seems weird to me that the Goldman family would now be pushing the book that they originally said was a loathsome exploitation of their son's murder.

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/blog/2007/08/if_they_publish_1.html

The way you've posted this, it looks as though these are you words & thoughts, yet they come from a blog. Just another poster, like you & me. No special relevance. I don't if know if posting from a blog is within the rules here. Perhaps you should check.

[weezer]

The way you've posted this, it looks as though these are you words & thoughts, yet they come from a blog. Just another poster, like you & me. No special relevance. I don't if know if posting from a blog is within the rules here. Perhaps you should check.

sometimes people have to mimic other posters -- wonder where all that concern was when martin was posting links to the free 'I Did It'? LOL

[jotun]

Thank God there are moral men, willing to do the right thing, regardless of the monetary cost & personal sacrifice. I salute Petrocelli for his noble efforts.

LOL---'Enron'Petroselli's noble efforts?
The lawyer who took the case believing O.J.INNOCENT.$$$ He thought O.J.would pay that 33.5 million.And that he would get his 33 1/3%.
But 33 1/3% of nothing is NOTHING.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

the judge ruled that lba was a sham, not legal, BUT the lba creditors WERE LEGAL?? hhmmmm


Judge GAVE LBA creditors to oj? hhmmmm

The judge has not made his ARRANGEMENT public so it is difficult to know
exactly what it is.

imo
martin II

Martin
Could be ashamed, as he should be, making new O.J.LAW.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

Good Taste Cost No More. Mark Furman said Goldman should ask for all the notes OJ gave to the ghost writer - especially if there was a second person involved.

Danni--All
Months ago,gold-man's attorney got the judge to 'ORDER' the kids LBA to turn over everything to the court so that it wouldn't be leaked and diminish the value to gold-man. Nothing was turned over,as they had nothing. Fenjves has said he taped every session with O.J.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun

the video of fred and his daughter that denise has on her web site tell it all.imo

martin II

Martin

What did the video TELL.
I couldn't get it.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

jotun
i am waiting to see the confused look on peoples faces when they see fred
sitting at a table asking people to buy oj's book for his signature.

imo
martin II

Martin,
Was just kidding before, but bet gold-man will try to get a ny judge burg to 'ORDER' O.J. to do the book signings,
& tv interviews.

IMO

jotun

[martin II]

Martin

What did the video TELL.
I couldn't get it.

IMO

jotun

jotun

the cnn video showed a interview of fred and his daughter talking to lary king and the country about the oj book should not be published period. this was when hc first announced the publishing of the book. he qwas ragging on and on about how bad the book was and did not need to be published.
Denise is showing this to say fred has flip flopped his position now for money.
which by now everyone knows is true.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin,
Was just kidding before, but bet gold-man will try to get a ny judge burg to 'ORDER' O.J. to do the book signings,
& tv interviews.

IMO

jotun

jotun

The judge gave fred one free shot at the money. He cannot force oj to work
regardless of how much he wants to see fred get the money.imo

I think since fred cannot legally change oj's words, he will have several people
add their comments as to what the book means to them or make some contributions to "freds new book"
I would be surprised if the public goes for it.

martin II

[martin II]

Danni--All
Months ago,gold-man's attorney got the judge to 'ORDER' the kids LBA to turn over everything to the court so that it wouldn't be leaked and diminish the value to gold-man. Nothing was turned over,as they had nothing. Fenjves has said he taped every session with O.J.

IMO

jotun

jotun
i had forgot about Fenjves and his tapes. wonder how he got by without giving the judge his tapes. Maby Fenjves will make a book also. haha
Regan has said the gost writes was paid $100,000.00. Now in the creditors list a ghost writer is listed as being owed $350,000.00. Is this Fenjves or another ghost writer?
imo
martin II

martin II

[martin II]

Martin
Could be ashamed, as he should be, making new O.J.LAW.

IMO

jotun

jotun

I agree. i also had the thought that the judge did not want his actual written decision to get in the hands of the media afraid that it may be attacked as wrong.
I have looked on his court web site but no decision was posted when i last looked.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

jotun

I agree. i also had the thought that the judge did not want his actual written decision to get in the hands of the media afraid that it may be attacked as wrong.
I have looked on his court web site but no decision was posted when i last looked.
imo
martin II

Huh? I think the court rulings are a matter of public record. The judge doesn't have the option of withholding it. imo

[socaldiva]

jotun
i had forgot about Fenjves and his tapes. wonder how he got by without giving the judge his tapes. Maby Fenjves will make a book also. haha
Regan has said the gost writes was paid $100,000.00. Now in the creditors list a ghost writer is listed as being owed $350,000.00. Is this Fenjves or another ghost writer?
imo
martin II

martin II

This has been discussed before. There was only ONE "gost writes".

[martin II]

Martin--IMO

"Honor" the victims???

The book is already ghost-written.
Since they can't LEGALLY change a word.

Wonder how they will get around this:
"Nicole had been associating with hookers, DRUG-DEALERS & unsavory characters from way back."

These people she was afraid of in her letter.

Also, all these years they have been telling US that hero ron was,protecting nicole.But according to tabloid fenjves's hook chapter pages nicole was protecting ron."Screaming like a banshee" knocking herself out, even tho we all know she had defensive wounds on her hands as did ron.
Amazing huh???

IMO

jotun


jotun
i do not believe fred give two cents about what is in the book that can be called negative comments about Nicole.

I also think that oj decided to keep his comments in the book to nicole and his relationship basically with paula added when necessary. But if he had wanted to tell it all i am sure he could have written a lot about a lot of people including RON GOLDMAN.imo
martin II

[martin II]

jotun
not sure about this.

Maby the judge has just changed to contract. he has changed everything else.

this publisher does not seem to be the kind that fred needs for this complicated type deal but maby he is the only one fred could get to try.
imo
martin II
martin II

correction

changed the contract.

[martin II]

Martin---IMO
Wonder IF Krampman of Beaufart Books would still want to put up his own money IF he knew the "truths" that all of US know about ron & fred.

Or IF he had a link to one of those sites with the FREE O.J.BOOK.
Maybe you could send one to him.Think all who oppose gold-man making money off the kids stolen book rights would be grateful.

Hope Denise she CAN shut this down.
10,000 copies vs 400,000 from Harper Collins.

IMO

jotun

jotun
considering the many people on freds side of this business deal ( including past lawyers)that he owes money to, I think the publisher will have to sell at least a million copies.
I think that when the book is scheduled to be sold many of those internet sites that gave the book away before will ratchet up their efforts to continue to make it available FREE.
Actually in a way i hope at least enough books are sold so that all the creditors will get some of their money.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
But if he had wanted to tell it all i am sure he could have written a lot about a lot of people including RON GOLDMAN.imo


It would have been lies. He didn't know Ron Goldman, remember?

[weezer]

It would have been lies. He didn't know Ron Goldman, remember?

lol -- :beer:

[martin II]

i think oj was "wired in" pretty effectively in that small little brentwood community and don't think it would have taken much effort to get info on Ron if he had thought he needed it. Just like the actress on that movie set that
volunteered info about that Party nicole gave for her friend.

All my opinion
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
i think oj was "wired in" pretty effectively in that small little brentwood community and don't think it would have taken much effort to get info on Ron if he had thought he needed it.

You think OJ & his golf playing cronies were "wired in" as to what the local waiters were up to? That's funny.

[weezer]

You think OJ & his golf playing cronies were "wired in" as to what the local waiters were up to? That's funny.

from what I've read, orenthal was just 'wired' or is that 'strung out'? -- :tongue:

[jotun]

You think OJ & his golf playing cronies were "wired in" as to what the local waiters were up to? That's funny.

LOL:
Very FUNNY.
But that is NOT what Martin is saying.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

Huh? I think the court rulings are a matter of public record. The judge doesn't have the option of withholding it. imo

Then perhaps YOU can find it for US and post a link.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

Then perhaps YOU can find it for US and post a link.

IMO

jotun


Sorry it's far too hot here & I've got some other things that need tending at the moment. Please note that I prefaced my post with "I think", therefore, no link required :)

[jotun]

jotun

the cnn video showed a interview of fred and his daughter talking to lary king and the country about the oj book should not be published period. this was when hc first announced the publishing of the book. he qwas ragging on and on about how bad the book was and did not need to be published.
Denise is showing this to say fred has flip flopped his position now for money.
which by now everyone knows is true.

martin II

Martin,
Thanks.Have my own videos of most of gold-mans comments including these from www.denisebrown.com
Lets hold gold-man to his own words:
Claims now that it's a "confession" but said then "I don't IMAGINE for 1 second that he [O.J.] considers this admitting it".
"The fact that someone is willing to publish this garbage,is just MORALLY DESPICABLE to me."
"Would HOPE that no one would buy the book.I would hope that the message from people in this country is sent to the publisher,that this DISGUSTING & DESPICABLE,that we as a nation won't put up with it. We won't buy the book it's
MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE" said gold-man.

Well gold-man, nor will I your target buyer, as I have most of the O.J. BOOKS pro & con.You will never see 1 red cent of my money.You deprived me of buying'IF I DID IT' Nov 06. I will NOT buy your version, from you on the 12 anniversary of O.J.'S AQUITTAL Oct 3 07.


IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

On my ride home from work today, on KFI 640 AM radio, they announced that Border's will sell the book, but they won't promote it.

[Kate Sachel]

jotun

The judge gave fred one free shot at the money. He cannot force oj to work
regardless of how much he wants to see fred get the money.imo

I think since fred cannot legally change oj's words, he will have several people
add their comments as to what the book means to them or make some contributions to "freds new book"
I would be surprised if the public goes for it.

martin II

"gave Fred one free shot at the money" - you get sadder on a weekly basis.

It matters not to me if the public goes for it, or how many people purchase or do not purchase the book. It matters only that OJ Simpson will not make another dime from it.

Kate

[martin II]

if it did it book

Barnes and Noble
Borders books



http://start.rcn.com/news/story.php?source=Top&id=D8R5KF8G0&pd=20070821

[martin II]

jotun


It will be interesting to see how many book retail chains will sell or not sell
this book. I am sure Denise is on the phone making her case to some of them.

If she is successful this little special deal that the judge created to GIVE fred the rights to the book may crash and burn.IMO

MARTIN ii

[weezer]

"gave Fred one free shot at the money" - you get sadder on a weekly basis.

It matters not to me if the public goes for it, or how many people purchase or do not purchase the book. It matters only that OJ Simpson will not make another dime from it.

Kate

Excellent -- couldn't have said it better myself! :beer:

[tv]

"gave Fred one free shot at the money" - you get sadder on a weekly basis.

It matters not to me if the public goes for it, or how many people purchase or do not purchase the book. It matters only that OJ Simpson will not make another dime from it.

KateExactly the way I feel, Kate. As long as no book profits fall into OJ Simpson's hands I don't care if it sells one copy or millions.

[tv]

The Simpson supporters on this board are so desperate to find something to cling onto that they even go so far as to back up the Brown family just to stick it to Fred Goldman. In case they haven't noticed the Brown family also believes OJ Simpson is the person who brutally killed Ron and Nicole. It appears their glee comes from the fact that someone besides themselves are criticizing the Goldman family. Denise Brown and Fred Goldman may disagree on the book and what should be done with it but they're united in the fact that OJ Simpson is a brutal murderer. JMO.

[martin II]

Exactly the way I feel, Kate. As long as no book profits fall into OJ Simpson's hands I don't care if it sells one copy or millions.

TV
Are you backing away from fred getting some free money. I am sure fred would be dissapointed if it were possible for him to read your statement.

Actually Eirc says the book will sell well.

martin II

[martin II]

Exactly the way I feel, Kate. As long as no book profits fall into OJ Simpson's hands I don't care if it sells one copy or millions.

tv
Oj has already made about $1,00,000 on this book. More than anyone so far.

He seems to have gone to additional ventures.

Maby he will ask people to buy the book so nicoles kids will have a chance to profit which was the original intention in the H Collins contract.
It is strange how things work out.If the public buys the book and fred receives money, it will be the public's money that pays fred not oj.
imo
martin II

[tv]

tv
Oj has already made about $1,00,000 on this book. More than anyone so far.

He seems to have gone to additional ventures.

Maby he will ask people to buy the book so nicoles kids will have a chance to profit which was the original intention in the H Collins contract.
It is strange how things work out.If the public buys the book and fred receives money, it will be the public's money that pays fred not oj.
imo
martin IImartin, you've made it clear you're never going to even attempt to understand Fred Goldman's motivation so I'm not going to try to explain it. Others on this board more articulate than I have tried but you keep on with the same character assassination of Fred Goldman. Are you backing away from fred getting some free money. I am sure fred would be dissapointed if it were possible for him to read your statement.
I don't know what you mean by "backing away". Would you care to explain?

[socaldiva]

TV
Are you backing away from fred getting some free money. I am sure fred would be dissapointed if it were possible for him to read your statement.

Actually Eirc says the book will sell well.

martin II

WTH is it with this "free money" you keep mentioning? Fred Goldman didn't win the lottery, that's "free money". He was awarded a judgement because his only son was slaughtered like an animal :no:

I doubt that Fred Goldman would be dissapointed by tvdinner's post, she also stated that she's not adverse to the book selling in the millions :rolleyes:

Who is Eirc??

[tv]

TV
Are you backing away from fred getting some free money. I am sure fred would be dissapointed if it were possible for him to read your statement.

*snip*

martin IImartin, are you going to tell me what you meant by this?

[tv]

WTH is it with this "free money" you keep mentioning? Fred Goldman didn't win the lottery, that's "free money". He was awarded a judgement because his only son was slaughtered like an animal :no:

I doubt that Fred Goldman would be dissapointed by tvdinner's post, she also stated that she's not adverse to the book selling in the millions :rolleyes:

Who is Eirc??Thanks, diva. :)

[William Anthony]

The Simpson supporters on this board are so desperate to find something to cling onto that they even go so far as to back up the Brown family just to stick it to Fred Goldman. In case they haven't noticed the Brown family also believes OJ Simpson is the person who brutally killed Ron and Nicole. It appears their glee comes from the fact that someone besides themselves are criticizing the Goldman family. Denise Brown and Fred Goldman may disagree on the book and what should be done with it but they're united in the fact that OJ Simpson is a brutal murderer. JMO.

I am not a Simpson supporter. I have attempted to stay off this battlefield and do not care to enter into it. I want to speak to motivation. I think you are trying to say that Goldman does not want Simpson to profit from the murders. I can see this as one of his motives. I also see another. I think that his actions, whether intentional or not, harm Simpson's children. I see that his child was harmed and wonder, if he cares that he harm's Simpson's children. I think vengance is a human emotion, although I am not sure if it is a healthy one. I do not know whether or not this is a conscious or unconscious motivation.

[socaldiva]

Thanks, diva. :)

You're welcome :seeya:

[martin II]

Denise

Niciole estate

if i did it.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222007/gossip/cindy/victims_sister_rips_planned_o_.htm

[socaldiva]

Denise

Niciole estate

if i did it.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222007/gossip/cindy/victims_sister_rips_planned_o_.htm

Why are you mentioning Nicole's estate? I saw no reference to her estate in your link.

I note that Denise's sentiments went out in note form to friends.

I'm not sure why Denise considers this to be a "manual to murder". I doubt anyone would buy it with the purpose of finding out how to stab someone to death.

[tv]

I am not a Simpson supporter. I have attempted to stay off this battlefield and do not care to enter into it. I want to speak to motivation. I think you are trying to say that Goldman does not want Simpson to profit from the murders. I can see this as one of his motives. I also see another. I think that his actions, whether intentional or not, harm Simpson's children. I see that his child was harmed and wonder, if he cares that he harm's Simpson's children. I think vengance is a human emotion, although I am not sure if it is a healthy one. I do not know whether or not this is a conscious or unconscious motivation.You only need to look at the picture of Ron's lifeless and bloody body to know where Fred Goldman's motiviation comes from. When you speak about harm coming to OJ Simpson's children you are speaking of lack of monetary gain. They're adults and can make their own way in the world. Having money from a parent is nice but not a requirement to lead a full and happy life. Fred Goldman isn't the one harming OJ Simpson's children. Simpson set this whole thing in motion when he cut their mother's throat.

[martin II]

You only need to look at the picture of Ron's lifeless and bloody body to know where Fred Goldman's motiviation comes from. When you speak about harm coming to OJ Simpson's children you are speaking of lack of monetary gain. They're adults and can make their own way in the world. Having money from a parent is nice but not a requirement to lead a full and happy life. Fred Goldman isn't the one harming OJ Simpson's children. Simpson set this whole thing in motion when he cut their mother's throat.

selling a book to make money from your son's death is not a requirement
for a full and halppy life and i would be surprised if it brings any real closure for fred. Initially when the book first came out many thought the idea of nicoles kids having to live this event again was wrong so it is more than monetary gain for some.
The problem i have with fred is that by his actions he seems to now believe that rons death has more monetary value than nicoles as he has faught for and received 90% of whatever money is to be made and seems to be satisfied that nicoles two children only deserve a share of the 10% that is left. I think that since the situation has evloved as it is, 50%/ 50% shares would have been fair.
Oj was tried for murder in a court of law and found not guilty by a legal jury in a court of law.

martin II

[weezer]

You only need to look at the picture of Ron's lifeless and bloody body to know where Fred Goldman's motiviation comes from. When you speak about harm coming to OJ Simpson's children you are speaking of lack of monetary gain. They're adults and can make their own way in the world. Having money from a parent is nice but not a requirement to lead a full and happy life. Fred Goldman isn't the one harming OJ Simpson's children. Simpson set this whole thing in motion when he cut their mother's throat.

Good post! And, I might add, Nicole's children weren't profiting from the book deal -- orenthal took all the up front cash and arnelle wanted to buy her living mother a house. Yet, the NG's continue to bash Mr. Goldman for pursuing any justice he has a legal right to? Please. imo

BTW -- has anyone seen the percentages that the 'children' would get from the book selling through HC?

[tv]

selling a book to make money from your son's death is not a requirement
for a full and halppy life and i would be surprised if it brings any real closure for fred. Initially when the book first came out many thought the idea of nicoles kids having to live this event again was wrong so it is more than monetary gain for some.
The problem i have with fred is that by his actions he seems to now believe that rons death has more monetary value than nicoles as he has faught for and received 90% of whatever money is to be made and seems to be satisfied that nicoles two children only deserve a share of the 10% that is left. I think that since the situation has evloved as it is, 50%/ 50% shares would have been fair.
Oj was tried for murder in a court of law and found not guilty by a legal jury in a court of law.

martin IIThe criminal trial verdict has no bearing in this. The money from the book will go toward the legal judgement. If you want to believe that Mr. Goldman is doing this to profit from his son's death then that's your right. :shrug:

[weezer]

selling a book to make money from your son's death is not a requirement
for a full and halppy life and i would be surprised if it brings any real closure for fred. Initially when the book first came out many thought the idea of nicoles kids having to live this event again was wrong so it is more than monetary gain for some.
The problem i have with fred is that by his actions he seems to now believe that rons death has more monetary value than nicoles as he has faught for and received 90% of whatever money is to be made and seems to be satisfied that nicoles two children only deserve a share of the 10% that is left. I think that since the situation has evloved as it is, 50%/ 50% shares would have been fair.
Oj was tried for murder in a court of law and found not guilty by a legal jury in a court of law.

martin II

I think part of what has happened in all of the hoopla over the book is that the public did not know that Nicole's children agreed to the book to start with. I have seen Mr. Goldman berated for not talking to the 'Estate' before going forth with publishing the book but yet no one has mentioned that orenthal and children were doing the book deal without any consideration for the Goldmans. I don't believe it was Mr. Goldman that made the distinction between the victims but rather orenthal, the children and the 'Estate'. imo

[tv]

I think part of what has happened in all of the hoopla over the book is that the public did not know that Nicole's children agreed to the book to start with. I have seen Mr. Goldman berated for not talking to the 'Estate' before going forth with publishing the book but yet no one has mentioned that orenthal and children were doing the book deal without any consideration for the Goldmans. I don't believe it was Mr. Goldman that made the distinction between the victims but rather orenthal, the children and the 'Estate'. imo I really hadn't even thought of it that way. Good point, weezer. :beer:

[martin II]

I think part of what has happened in all of the hoopla over the book is that the public did not know that Nicole's children agreed to the book to start with. I have seen Mr. Goldman berated for not talking to the 'Estate' before going forth with publishing the book but yet no one has mentioned that orenthal and children were doing the book deal without any consideration for the Goldmans. I don't believe it was Mr. Goldman that made the distinction between the victims but rather orenthal, the children and the 'Estate'. imo

I think it was well known that H Collins made a book deal with oj and his children Lba. The bankruptcy filing and TMZ's posting of the trial hearing made this quite clear.I don't think it was a matter of fred talking to the estate
as his lawyers made their demands in court. Both lawyers were present and i believe the judge requested that they try to negoiate a agreement.Obviously this did not work as fred did not want the estate to receive a equal share as this would have meant that he would have to get the estates approval to publish the book which was not comming from Mr L Brown.

I think oj had a right to write that book as it was done to make money for himself and all of his kids regardless of what some think. I also think fred had a right to try to go after any money from OJ wherever he could find it to satisfy his judgement. He failed to do this in the beginning because H Collins
felt no obligation to notify fred or anyone else about the book or the payment to oj unitl they had made it to him.

what i find odd is how the judge was able to GIVE fred the assets of LBA FREE without him being a creditor and how he rationalized that because LBA paid oj, A NON OWNER, money for his consulting services that that made LBA a sham company. imo


what i do believe is that the public will remember fred and the browns asking americans not to buy this book and may be puzzeled a bit now by his actions.
imo
martin II

[tv]

I think it was well known that H Collins made a book deal with oj and his children Lba. The bankruptcy filing and TMZ's posting of the trial hearing made this quite clear.I don't think it was a matter of fred talking to the estate
as his lawyers made their demands in court. Both lawyers were present and i believe the judge requested that they try to negoiate a agreement.Obviously this did not work as fred did not want the estate to receive a equal share as this would have meant that he would have to get the estates approval to publish the book which was not comming from Mr L Brown.

I think oj had a right to write that book as it was done to make money for himself and all of his kids regardless of what some think. I also think fred had a right to try to go after any money from OJ wherever he could find it to satisfy his judgement. He failed to do this in the beginning because H Collins
felt no obligation to notify fred or anyone else about the book or the payment to oj unitl they had made it to him.

what i find odd is how the judge was able to GIVE fred the assets of LBA FREE without him being a creditor and how he rationalized that because LBA paid oj, A NON OWNER, money for his consulting services that that made LBA a sham company. imo


what i do believe is that the public will remember fred and the browns asking americans not to buy this book and may be puzzeled a bit now by his actions.
imo
martin IIMaybe Mr. Goldman thought it over and changed his mind? People change their minds all the time.

By the way, money for consulting with LBA on how he killed Ron and Nicole? Very classy. ;)

[weezer]

I think it was well known that H Collins made a book deal with oj and his children Lba. The bankruptcy filing and TMZ's posting of the trial hearing made this quite clear.I don't think it was a matter of fred talking to the estate
as his lawyers made their demands in court. Both lawyers were present and i believe the judge requested that they try to negoiate a agreement.Obviously this did not work as fred did not want the estate to receive a equal share as this would have meant that he would have to get the estates approval to publish the book which was not comming from Mr L Brown.

I think oj had a right to write that book as it was done to make money for himself and all of his kids regardless of what some think. I also think fred had a right to try to go after any money from OJ wherever he could find it to satisfy his judgement. He failed to do this in the beginning because H Collins
felt no obligation to notify fred or anyone else about the book or the payment to oj unitl they had made it to him.

what i find odd is how the judge was able to GIVE fred the assets of LBA FREE without him being a creditor and how he rationalized that because LBA paid oj, A NON OWNER, money for his consulting services that that made LBA a sham company. imo


what i do believe is that the public will remember fred and the browns asking americans not to buy this book and may be puzzeled a bit now by his actions.
imo
martin II

IIRC, no one knew that orenthal's children were involved until arnelle's deposition -- that is when she disclosed that it was her idea and that she approached Nicole's children and they finallyagreed to the deal.

If it was wrong for Mr. Goldman not to talk to the 'Estate' about publishing the book then it was just as wrong that Mr. Goldman was not considered when the 'Estate' agreed to the book deal to start with. imo

the judge found that LBA was a sham company used to funnel money to orenthal. that is all the company did -- it had no other business going on. Just writing checks to orenthal and wiping up arnelle's drool. imo

I don't believe the public is confused at all. orenthal wrote his confession for profit. The Goldmans found out that he was making money from murdering Ron. The Goldmans went after the book rights to stop orenthal receiving money for his crime. The 'Estate' came in after it was obvious that Mr. Goldman was filing to get the rights and wanted their share of any profits. The judge did not allow that since the 'Estate' came 'late to the party.' imo

With all of that said, I believe no one actually cares whether or not the book sells. All anyone wanted was that orenthal not get money from murdering two human beings. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*Oj was tried for murder in a court of law and found not guilty by a legal jury in a court of law.



And another court of law said that he is civilly liable for their deaths & ordered a judgement against him.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
With all of that said, I believe no one actually cares whether or not the book sells.

Except Martin. I think Martin cares very much ;)

[socaldiva]

You only need to look at the picture of Ron's lifeless and bloody body to know where Fred Goldman's motiviation comes from. When you speak about harm coming to OJ Simpson's children you are speaking of lack of monetary gain. They're adults and can make their own way in the world. Having money from a parent is nice but not a requirement to lead a full and happy life. Fred Goldman isn't the one harming OJ Simpson's children. Simpson set this whole thing in motion when he cut their mother's throat.

An excellent post! :beer: (iced tea - for those that automatically assume that it's alcohol lol)

[martin II]

IIRC, no one knew that orenthal's children were involved until arnelle's deposition -- that is when she disclosed that it was her idea and that she approached Nicole's children and they finallyagreed to the deal.

If it was wrong for Mr. Goldman not to talk to the 'Estate' about publishing the book then it was just as wrong that Mr. Goldman was not considered when the 'Estate' agreed to the book deal to start with. imo

the judge found that LBA was a sham company used to funnel money to orenthal. that is all the company did -- it had no other business going on. Just writing checks to orenthal and wiping up arnelle's drool. imo

I don't believe the public is confused at all. orenthal wrote his confession for profit. The Goldmans found out that he was making money from murdering Ron. The Goldmans went after the book rights to stop orenthal receiving money for his crime. The 'Estate' came in after it was obvious that Mr. Goldman was filing to get the rights and wanted their share of any profits. The judge did not allow that since the 'Estate' came 'late to the party.' imo

With all of that said, I believe no one actually cares whether or not the book sells. All anyone wanted was that orenthal not get money from murdering two human beings. imo


The Harper Collins contract made it clear that the contract was between them and LBA. Months before lba filed banrkuptcy and Arnells deposition. So you are wrong on that point. As a matter of fact it was lBA that judge Goldberg rulled against in the first case whyen the judge tried to give fred the title to be auctioned off.
The goldmans went after the title from the beginning as their first set of request to harper collins was not only that they not publish the book but for H Collins to give fred the title of the book "to make things right" This was the first attempt to grab the title for profit. He then went to the ca court to get the title for profit as he also asked the court for ojs image and name.
the only purpose for these request was to be able to do what he is attempting to do now sell this book for maximum profit for fred.


Some have said they were pleased that fred had gotten the rights to sell the book and that the money would give him some measure of satisfaction.

The events seem to have changed and it may be that the pot of gold some saw in freds future may or may not be reachable. Now it seems that some are taking the position that it does not matter if fred makes money or not.

The deal is kinda complicated and i think he would have been served better if
he had a stronger publisher and more public opinion on his side but hey,
he asked for this deal and the judge gave it to him totally FREE.
Initially freds lawyers said they would ask the judge to allow him to purchase the rights to the book. Turns out the judge liked fred more than fred knew.
HE GAVE him the book free of charge.

Hopefully fred can make some money and find peace in his life. chasing oj's money with a angry heart must be hard work.
imo
martin II

[limakey]

I have no problem with anyone writing a book and I have no problem with the Goldmans' selling the book. What I have a problem with is that Fred's motivation for the book is the same as Simpson's---they need the money. Fred Goldman is not a rich man. While the Goldmans' have a majority of the public's sympathy, it does not mean that bill collectors feel the same way. Houses must be paid for, car payments must be made, children's education must be paid for, electric bills must be paid and so on.

However, lets not kid ourselves, it doesn't matter who is behind the book or who publishes it, it is all blood money. The Goldmans are just taking advantage or perhaps making the most out of the situation.

OJ Simpson is laughing all the way to bank and he is enjoying each and every negative comment that is being made about the Goldmans. I think he might actually be rooting Denise on during her interviews. He will profit from the books because his children will profit from the book. Do you think he really cares if it goes into his pockets or his kids?

Don't anybody fool themselves, Simpson will profit from this book as will the Goldmans. I will buy the book, I will not change my stance on that. I hope that millions and millions are made on this book, enough to clear the judgement and maybe, for at least 1 minute---Goldman will think he got the best of Simpson. Of course, he never will in reality, but perhaps it will give him a few seconds of triumph.

[tv]

An excellent post! :beer: (iced tea - for those that automatically assume that it's alcohol lol)Iced tea -- my favorite drink! :beer:

[martin II]

Diva

i am breaking my promise for a moment by posting this to you.


If my memory serves me correctly, you, previously had asked william not to post to you. He agreed and promised not to.

I now ask the same of you that you asked of him .

Please refrain from posting to me.

Thanks
MartinII

[socaldiva]

Diva

i am breaking my promise for a moment by posting this to you.


If my memory serves me correctly, you, previously had asked william not to post to you. He agreed and promised not to.

I now ask the same of you that you asked of him .

Please refrain from posting to me.

Thanks
MartinII

Martin, you sure don't have a very good memory do you? This has already been discussed. Sorry, I'll make no such agreement with you for a couple of reasons, previously discussed. Please feel free to keep me on ignore though.

[martin II]

Martin, you sure don't have a very good memory do you? This has already been discussed. Sorry, I'll make no such agreement with you for a couple of reasons, previously discussed. Please feel free to keep me on ignore though.

diva
i find it offensive that you, knowing that i don't read your post to me and that you never receive a response to your negative comments to and about me, would continue to make these post to me.
i don't believe i have ever discussed any REASONS why you must continue to do so. I don't believe there are any legitimate reason since i have not posted to you in several months and have used the ignore button to avoid unecessary arguments with you.

Again, i request that you not post to me just as you have requested the same from william.
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

I have no problem with anyone writing a book and I have no problem with the Goldmans' selling the book. What I have a problem with is that Fred's motivation for the book is the same as Simpson's---they need the money. Fred Goldman is not a rich man. While the Goldmans' have a majority of the public's sympathy, it does not mean that bill collectors feel the same way. Houses must be paid for, car payments must be made, children's education must be paid for, electric bills must be paid and so on.

However, lets not kid ourselves, it doesn't matter who is behind the book or who publishes it, it is all blood money. The Goldmans are just taking advantage or perhaps making the most out of the situation.

OJ Simpson is laughing all the way to bank and he is enjoying each and every negative comment that is being made about the Goldmans. I think he might actually be rooting Denise on during her interviews. He will profit from the books because his children will profit from the book. Do you think he really cares if it goes into his pockets or his kids?

Don't anybody fool themselves, Simpson will profit from this book as will the Goldmans. I will buy the book, I will not change my stance on that. I hope that millions and millions are made on this book, enough to clear the judgement and maybe, for at least 1 minute---Goldman will think he got the best of Simpson. Of course, he never will in reality, but perhaps it will give him a few seconds of triumph.

Of course you have a problem with it, because you seem to have a problem with anyone who doesn't care to let OJ Simpson forget that he murdered two people.

Yes, I do believe that he cares if that money goes into his pockets or his kids. The night that he murdered their mother made it clear that one person matters and that is himself.

You've mentioned that you have a son. Do you love him? You're a very stubborn and determined woman and quite frankly I could picture you in Fred Goldman's shoes doing exactly the same as him if you found your son crumpled against a tree, butchered to the point of making even the embalming of his body difficult to a coroner.

But have a nice day anyway,

Kate

[William Anthony]

You only need to look at the picture of Ron's lifeless and bloody body to know where Fred Goldman's motiviation comes from. When you speak about harm coming to OJ Simpson's children you are speaking of lack of monetary gain. They're adults and can make their own way in the world. Having money from a parent is nice but not a requirement to lead a full and happy life. Fred Goldman isn't the one harming OJ Simpson's children. Simpson set this whole thing in motion when he cut their mother's throat.

Tv,

I think you misunderstand and I have no problem with the verdict. What I am saying is that in an effort to punish Simpson Goldman may be unitentionally or intentionally punishing his children. I have no doubt that Goldman feels Simpson is responsible for his son's murder. The fact is that he has recieved a finding that Simpson was liable for his son's wrongul death and awarded monetary damages for the unlawful action. I was speaking more about the emotionmal effect that Goldman's actions are having, mainly on Nicole's and Simpson's children, more than I was to Simpson's other two children.

I am not saying that Goldman does not have the right to pursue fullfillment of the judgment, but, only that some thought should be given as to how the pursuit is conducted. By no means do I hold Simpson unaccountable in the events. I think the whole concept of the book was done with a total lack of disrespect and disregard. However, should Goldman decided to publish the book, he would be showing an equal amount of disrespect and disregard, imho. I think that in a battle over egos the children are the one who suffer most. I have previously posted that Simpson should pay the judgment, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders. I think that it is time for adults to start acting like adults and reach a settlement in light of the concept that to do so would be in the best interest of the children.

[Kate Sachel]

Tv,

I think you misunderstand and I have no problem with the verdict. What I am saying is that in an effort to punish Simpson Goldman may be unitentionally or intentionally punishing his children. I have no doubt that Goldman feels Simpson is responsible for his son's murder. The fact is that he has recieved a finding that Simpson was liable for his son's wrongul death and awarded monetary damages for the unlawful action. I was speaking more about the emotionmal effect that Goldman's actions are having, mainly on Nicole's and Simpson's children, more than I was to Simpson's other two children.

I am not saying that Goldman does not have the right to pursue fullfillment of the judgment, but, only that some thought should be given as to how the pursuit is conducted. By no means do I hold Simpson unaccountable in the events. I think the whole concept of the book was done with a total lack of disrespect and disregard. However, should Goldman decided to publish the book, he would be showing an equal amount of disrespect and disregard, imho. I think that in a battle over egos the children are the one who suffer most. I have previously posted that Simpson should pay the judgment, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders. I think that it is time for adults to start acting like adults and reach a settlement in light of the concept that to do so would be in the best interest of the children.

Nicely said.

Kate

[martin II]

Tv,

I think you misunderstand and I have no problem with the verdict. What I am saying is that in an effort to punish Simpson Goldman may be unitentionally or intentionally punishing his children. I have no doubt that Goldman feels Simpson is responsible for his son's murder. The fact is that he has recieved a finding that Simpson was liable for his son's wrongul death and awarded monetary damages for the unlawful action. I was speaking more about the emotionmal effect that Goldman's actions are having, mainly on Nicole's and Simpson's children, more than I was to Simpson's other two children.

I am not saying that Goldman does not have the right to pursue fullfillment of the judgment, but, only that some thought should be given as to how the pursuit is conducted. By no means do I hold Simpson unaccountable in the events. I think the whole concept of the book was done with a total lack of disrespect and disregard. However, should Goldman decided to publish the book, he would be showing an equal amount of disrespect and disregard, imho. I think that in a battle over egos the children are the one who suffer most. I have previously posted that Simpson should pay the judgment, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders. I think that it is time for adults to start acting like adults and reach a settlement in light of the concept that to do so would be in the best interest of the children.

william'

As i have previously stated there was plenty of time for oj and fred or at least two of the lawyers to act like adults and make some kind of agreement
on money from this book in the beginning. All of this time and money spent and they end up with the agreement forced on everyone by the judge. It is not a requirement for love to be between to waring parties for a good and fair agreement to be made by them.imo
As it turns out oj writing this book has given fred his best chance to get some of the judgement paid in 12 years.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

*Snipped*. . . " chasing oj's money with a angry heart must be hard work."

karma, karma, karma -- my wish for you!

[weezer]

Tv,

I think you misunderstand and I have no problem with the verdict. What I am saying is that in an effort to punish Simpson Goldman may be unitentionally or intentionally punishing his children. I have no doubt that Goldman feels Simpson is responsible for his son's murder. The fact is that he has recieved a finding that Simpson was liable for his son's wrongul death and awarded monetary damages for the unlawful action. I was speaking more about the emotionmal effect that Goldman's actions are having, mainly on Nicole's and Simpson's children, more than I was to Simpson's other two children.

I am not saying that Goldman does not have the right to pursue fullfillment of the judgment, but, only that some thought should be given as to how the pursuit is conducted. By no means do I hold Simpson unaccountable in the events. I think the whole concept of the book was done with a total lack of disrespect and disregard. However, should Goldman decided to publish the book, he would be showing an equal amount of disrespect and disregard, imho. I think that in a battle over egos the children are the one who suffer most. I have previously posted that Simpson should pay the judgment, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders. I think that it is time for adults to start acting like adults and reach a settlement in light of the concept that to do so would be in the best interest of the children.

the adult 'children' agreed to participate and profit from the book when daddy was publishing it -- sorry but I don't think you have an argument. imo

[William Anthony]

the adult 'children' agreed to participate and profit from the book when daddy was publishing it -- sorry but I don't think you have an argument. imo

I was not trying to start an argument and I would appreciate it, if you did not. I was only commenting on what I see as a sad state of affairs. I do not think that the adult children agreed to share in the profits, because the corporation was ruled a sham.

[William Anthony]

william'

As i have previously stated there was plenty of time for oj and fred or at least two of the lawyers to act like adults and make some kind of agreement
on money from this book in the beginning. All of this time and money spent and they end up with the agreement forced on everyone by the judge. It is not a requirement for love to be between to waring parties for a good and fair agreement to be made by them.imo
As it turns out oj writing this book has given fred his best chance to get some of the judgement paid in 12 years.
imo
martin II

Martin,

Another astute post, imho.

[William Anthony]

Nicely said.

Kate

Thank you.

[martin II]

I was not trying to start an argument and I would appreciate it, if you did not. I was only commenting on what I see as a sad state of affairs. I do not think that the adult children agreed to share in the profits, because the corporation was ruled a sham.

And the results was that lba did not receive any profit.As a matter of fact no one has so far.imo
martin II

[martin II]

Martin,

Another astute post, imho.

william

I have always believed that when large amounts of money are involved in a dissagrement, it is always best to have anger management in place or at least two adults present.imo

martin II

[William Anthony]

william

I have always believed that when large amounts of money are involved in a dissagrement, it is always best to have anger management in place or at least two adults present.imo

martin II

Martin,

I think adulthood maybe over rated.

[weezer]

I was not trying to start an argument and I would appreciate it, if you did not. I was only commenting on what I see as a sad state of affairs. I do not think that the adult children agreed to share in the profits, because the corporation was ruled a sham.

you took the word 'argument' the wrong way. And, unless you're calling arnelle a liar, she said in her sworn deposition that the children agreed to share in the profits.

[weezer]

And the results was that lba did not receive any profit.As a matter of fact no one has so far.imo
martin II

orenthal did -- remember? IIRC, you are one of the posters that thought it was great that he was able to get his hands on the money before Mr. Goldman put a stop to it. imo

[weezer]

william

I have always believed that when large amounts of money are involved in a dissagrement, it is always best to have anger management in place or at least two adults present.imo

martin II

but do you honestly believe one of them should be the murderer? :(

[tv]

Tv,

I think you misunderstand and I have no problem with the verdict. What I am saying is that in an effort to punish Simpson Goldman may be unitentionally or intentionally punishing his children. I have no doubt that Goldman feels Simpson is responsible for his son's murder. The fact is that he has recieved a finding that Simpson was liable for his son's wrongul death and awarded monetary damages for the unlawful action. I was speaking more about the emotionmal effect that Goldman's actions are having, mainly on Nicole's and Simpson's children, more than I was to Simpson's other two children.

I am not saying that Goldman does not have the right to pursue fullfillment of the judgment, but, only that some thought should be given as to how the pursuit is conducted. By no means do I hold Simpson unaccountable in the events. I think the whole concept of the book was done with a total lack of disrespect and disregard. However, should Goldman decided to publish the book, he would be showing an equal amount of disrespect and disregard, imho. I think that in a battle over egos the children are the one who suffer most. I have previously posted that Simpson should pay the judgment, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders. I think that it is time for adults to start acting like adults and reach a settlement in light of the concept that to do so would be in the best interest of the children.William, I agree with most of your post. However, I think the reason that Fred Goldman doesn't compromise with Simpson is because he doesn't want to minimize the murder of his son by making a deal with his killer. It would also make things easier for OJ Simpson. It's not about the amount of money; it's about making Simpson suffer. As I said before about Nicole and OJ Simpson's adult children; he is the root of any "harm" that may come to them from the publication of this book.

[socaldiva]

diva
i find it offensive that you, knowing that i don't read your post to me and that you never receive a response to your negative comments to and about me, would continue to make these post to me.
i don't believe i have ever discussed any REASONS why you must continue to do so. I don't believe there are any legitimate reason since i have not posted to you in several months and have used the ignore button to avoid unecessary arguments with you.

Again, i request that you not post to me just as you have requested the same from william.
martin II

You "find it offensive" that I merely respond to some of your posts even though you claim to have me on ignore? I can't help you there.

As for your not believing that this has been discussed before & saying there aren't any "legitimate" reasons for my not complying with your request, you also seem to think there aren't any "legimate" reasons to conclude that Simpson is a double murderer.

If you have me on ignore & are attempting to "avoid uneccessary arguments", I find it curious that you are repeatedly asking me something I've already responded to :shrug:

[William Anthony]

William, I agree with most of your post. However, I think the reason that Fred Goldman doesn't compromise with Simpson is because he doesn't want to minimize the murder of his son by making a deal with his killer. It would also make things easier for OJ Simpson. It's not about the amount of money; it's about making Simpson suffer. As I said before about Nicole and OJ Simpson's adult children; he is the root of any "harm" that may come to them from the publication of this book.


Tv,

I did not mean to imply that Goldman's sentiments were not genuine or that he should compromise with Simpson. I was only saying that there should be a point where reasonable minds can see that there actions are harming more than the person they were intended to harm. I was not speaking to the root of the harm and I agree that Simpson's writting of the book was done with disrepect and disregard. However, I do believe that descretion is the better part of valor.

[martin II]

orenthal did -- remember? IIRC, you are one of the posters that thought it was great that he was able to get his hands on the money before Mr. Goldman put a stop to it. imo

your are correct oj has been paid about $1,000,000 by H Collins for legal work he did on the book. He performed the duties required and H Collings rightly and legally paid him his money.Nothing illegal about that.imo

martin II

[martin II]

but do you honestly believe one of them should be the murderer? :(

i have no idea as to what you are asking.

martin II

[weezer]

i have no idea as to what you are asking.

martin II

I was responding to your post:

"Originally Posted by martin II
william
I have always believed that when large amounts of money are involved in a dissagrement, it is always best to have anger management in place or at least two adults present.imo martin II"

[socaldiva]

your are correct oj has been paid about $1,000,000 by H Collins for legal work he did on the book. He performed the duties required and H Collings rightly and legally paid him his money.Nothing illegal about that.imo

martin II

"legally" paid him his money through his company that a court of law said was a sham. IIRC. If it was so "legal" why did he divert the funds? Because he knew Goldman & others are legally entitled to a portion of it. He has no respect for human life & he has no respect for the law. imo

[martin II]

William, I agree with most of your post. However, I think the reason that Fred Goldman doesn't compromise with Simpson is because he doesn't want to minimize the murder of his son by making a deal with his killer. It would also make things easier for OJ Simpson. It's not about the amount of money; it's about making Simpson suffer. As I said before about Nicole and OJ Simpson's adult children; he is the root of any "harm" that may come to them from the publication of this book.

tv
i think that fred may be quite pleased that oj wrote this book regardless of what his public stance has been to his supporters. I think he has always seen the great possibility of money for himself in this book. At lease i think his lawyers have and they may be the driving force behind some of his actions now.
Fred had claimed that the book caused him to relive the murder of his son and he had said he would never read it.now that money is in sight his lawyers now say he and his daughter has read it. That is the exact reasoning the estate lawyer/denise used in their comments about the kids.

imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

you took the word 'argument' the wrong way. And, unless you're calling arnelle a liar, she said in her sworn deposition that the children agreed to share in the profits.

Okay, I now understand that your were using the word argument in a legal or debative context. I was using the word agreement in the legal sense. Since the corporation was a sham, i.e., illegal, I believe that any agreement reached by the corporation would likewise be a sham. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the rights to the book, which would include any money made from the book, belonged to the corporation. The law is pretty strict on the concept that parties can not agree to commit an illegal act, which is what I was talking about as it relates to the childrens' agreement. I was not calling Arnelle a liar-only saying that she was confused.

[William Anthony]

william

I have always believed that when large amounts of money are involved in a dissagrement, it is always best to have anger management in place or at least two adults present.imo

martin II

Martin,

While I stated that I thought adulthood may be over rated, I did not mean to imply that maturity was.

[martin II]

Okay, I now understand that your were using the word argument in a legal or debative context. I was using the word agreement in the legal sense. Since the corporation was a sham, i.e., illegal, I believe that any agreement reached by the corporation would likewise be a sham. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the rights to the book, which would include any money made from the book, belonged to the corporation. The law is pretty strict on the concept that parties can not agree to commit an illegal act, which is what I was talking about as it relates to the childrens' agreement. I was not calling Arnelle a liar-only saying that she was confused.


william

Also if lba was a sham then the contract they entered into with HC was not valid and therefore the rights to the book they owned are illegal or invalid.
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

Also if lba was a sham then the contract they entered into with HC was not valid and therefore the rights to the book they owned are illegal or invalid.
martin II

Martin,

Another astute Post. The K (contract) would be void or voidable, imho. Since the corporation was ruled a sham, and Goldman was allowed to recieve the rights to the book, the court in essence is saying that the court pierced the corporate veil and the rights to the book were an asset that belonged to Simpson and therefore subject to attachment by Goldman, imho. If HC is the company that agreed to publish the book, I am not certain if they lost those rights, since they received those rights believing they contracted with a legal entity with the authority to enter into the contract. Has HC filed any action to enforce their right to publish the book? I will be honest and tell you that I have not followed this set of events. Has HC filed any action to recover any money they paid Simpson? There are some interesting legal issues involved in these events.

[martin II]

Martin,

Another astute Post. The K (contract) would be void or voidable, imho. Since the corporation was ruled a sham, and Goldman was allowed to recieve the rights to the book, the court in essence is saying that the court pierced the corporate veil and the rights to the book were an asset that belonged to Simpson and therefore subject to attachment by Goldman, imho. If HC is the company that agreed to publish the book, I am not certain if they lost those rights, since they received those rights believing they contracted with a legal entity with the authority to enter into the contract. Has HC filed any action to enforce their right to publish the book? I will be honest and tell you that I have not followed this set of events. Has HC filed any action to recover any money they paid Simpson? There are some interesting legal issues involved in these events.

willaim
you are correct. If lba was a sham then all of their contracts and agrements are shams. If so them the rights lba received was illegal and did not belong the lba but still to HC. This may mean that the judge gave fred rights from a lba that did not legally own them.
Fred was not a legal creditor of LBA. So the only way to insert fred into the
case was for the judge to rule that LBA was owned by oj even though oj was not a stockholder or owner. only a consultant working for pay.
The judge declared lba a sham because money went to oj from the corp.
I think Hc has decided to be finished with this deal as i have not seen any other action to stop Eric from publishing the book.

imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

willaim
you are correct. If lba was a sham then all of their contracts and agrements are shams. If so them the rights lba received was illegal and did not belong the lba but still to HC. This may mean that the judge gave fred rights from a lba that did not legally own them.
Fred was not a legal creditor of LBA. So the only way to insert fred into the
case was for the judge to rule that LBA was owned by oj even though oj was not a stockholder or owner. only a consultant working for pay.
The judge declared lba a sham because money went to oj from the corp.
I think Hc has decided to be finished with this deal as i have not seen any other action to stop Eric from publishing the book.

imo
martin II

Martin,

Again, I will repeat that discretion is the better part of valor and HC may have decided to stay out of the battle in order to avoid any negative publicity as you indicate.

[martin II]

Martin,

Again, I will repeat that discretion is the better part of valor and HC may have decided to stay out of the battle in order to avoid any negative publicity as you indicate.

william
it is my opinion that this book has sunk a little too low for hc and may be filled with additional legal issues in the future. I don't think they need the headache and remember they may be a little peved at how fred caused their original book deal to crash and burn.imo

martin II

[William Anthony]

william
it is my opinion that this book has sunk a little too low for hc and may be filled with additional legal issues in the future. I don't think they need the headache and remember they may be a little peved at how fred caused their original book deal to crash and burn.imo

martin II

Martin,

I think HC is wise to stay out of it for whatever reason.

[martin II]

Martin,

I think HC is wise to stay out of it for whatever reason.

william
i agree
i don't know what would happen if one of the law firms,CREDITORS, the estate, were to appeal the judges decision.

If they can sell 50 million in books, everyone can be paid and the public will be finished with the entire affair.
imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

william
i agree
i don't know what would happen if one of the law firms,CREDITORS, the estate, were to appeal the judges decision.

If they can sell 50 million in books, everyone can be paid and the public will be finished with the entire affair.
imo
martin II

Martin,

Your view of the public's reaction is much more optimistic than mine. :)

[martin II]

Martin,

Your view of the public's reaction is much more optimistic than mine. :)

Well i have seen many post here that refeer to we ALL, and MOST AMERICANS etc so i was thinking that MOST AMERICANS and ALL would be in line to buy the book and run the numbers up.:shrug: :shrug:

i am just trying to give some some hope.
i saw the book for sale at $24.00 and also for $16.00. i have never seen a book sold at discount before it is printed and offered to the public.

[martin II]

willaim

something kinda strange has taken place recently. Some that were pleased that fred had the book rights and expectations for large sale was the talk as fred had won has now changed into some saying they do not care if the book sales or not or something like that. hhhhmmmmmm
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Well i have seen many post here that refeer to we ALL, and MOST AMERICANS etc so i was thinking that MOST AMERICANS and ALL would be in line to buy the book and run the numbers up.:shrug: :shrug:

i am just trying to give some some hope.
i saw the book for sale at $24.00 and also for $16.00. i have never seen a book sold at discount before it is printed and offered to the public.

I think you might be confused. I think the "MOST AMERICANS" that you refer to is in reference to those that believe Simpson is a double murderer & probably those that support Fred's efforts to hound Simpson. I don't know why you think that would translate into 'ALL being in line to buy the book & run the numbers'.

You are "just trying to give some some hope"? Hope for what?

Relative to the variance in price, the book isn't even due to be published until October. What you are seeing seems to simply be a variance in pricing & could have to do with membership purchase etc. I believe this to be commonplace.

You seem to be VERY concerned with this book.....

[socaldiva]

willaim

something kinda strange has taken place recently. Some that were pleased that fred had the book rights and expectations for large sale was the talk as fred had won has now changed into some saying they do not care if the book sales or not or something like that. hhhhmmmmmm
imo
martin II

Nothing strange at all. I think most people are pleased that Fred Goldman got something that Simpson hoped to keep for himself, but the amount of profit is just icing on the cake. It's really not confusing, nor is it complicated.

[William Anthony]

Well i have seen many post here that refeer to we ALL, and MOST AMERICANS etc so i was thinking that MOST AMERICANS and ALL would be in line to buy the book and run the numbers up.:shrug: :shrug:

i am just trying to give some some hope.
i saw the book for sale at $24.00 and also for $16.00. i have never seen a book sold at discount before it is printed and offered to the public.

Martin,

I think that there is so much outrage over the murders and the criminal trial that the publishing and sale of the book will not appease the public. However, it may serve to lessen some of the public outcry.

[tv]

Nothing strange at all. I think most people are pleased that Fred Goldman got something that Simpson hoped to keep for himself, but the amount of profit is just icing on the cake. It's really not confusing, nor is it complicated.My feelings exactly. :)

[martin II]

My feelings exactly. :)

tv
i think it is important that fred sells a lot of books so that he can be paid in full. Otherwise he will continue to be on LKL asking the public to support his latest effort.imo

martin II

[WarmNCozy]

Just to get some insight on:

1. Why in the world write a book making yourself a murderer (if in fact that is what the book is about).:eek:

I think FG should get the proceeds. After all, OJ owes him millions.

[William Anthony]

Just to get some insight on:

1. Why in the world write a book making yourself a murderer (if in fact that is what the book is about).:eek:

I think FG should get the proceeds. After all, OJ owes him millions.

I agree that Goldman should get the proceeds. Your first question concerns why I found a particular portion of the link you supplied interesting.

[WarmNCozy]

I agree that Goldman should get the proceeds. Your first question concerns why I found a particular portion of the link you supplied interesting.

Sure makes you wonder, doesn't it! Wagner sure makes a great case!

[William Anthony]

Sure makes you wonder, doesn't it! Wagner sure makes a great case!

Why would Simpson allow himself to be seen on television with a knife in his hand knocking on someone's door? Things that make you go uhmm.

[William Anthony]

Sure makes you wonder, doesn't it! Wagner sure makes a great case!


I think we have strayed off topic a tad and need to continue any further discussions about those questions on the thread you started, which I feel is an excellent one.

[socaldiva]

tv
i think it is important that fred sells a lot of books so that he can be paid in full. Otherwise he will continue to be on LKL asking the public to support his latest effort.imo

martin II

You seem to be annoyed with Fred for something that originated with Orenthal. Orenthal wrote the book & Fred responded. Are you just mad that the public supports Fred & shuns Orenthal?

[WarmNCozy]

I think we have strayed off topic a tad and need to continue any further discussions about those questions on the thread you started, which I feel is an excellent one.

You're right ... started with the book and then .....:hat:

[tv]

You seem to be annoyed with Fred for something that originated with Orenthal. Orenthal wrote the book & Fred responded. Are you just mad that the public supports Fred & shuns Orenthal?Mr. Goldman's mission is to make his son's killer suffer as much as possible. I'd say so far he's doing a wonderful job and Simpson is helping him along by doing dumb things like writing this book. I predict that this isn't the last of his ill-advised schemes. imo.

[socaldiva]

Mr. Goldman's mission is to make his son's killer suffer as much as possible. I'd say so far he's doing a wonderful job and Simpson is helping him along by doing dumb things like writing this book. I predict that this isn't the last of his ill-advised schemes. imo.

I agree. Orenthal can't seem to stop himself. I think being an arse just comes naturally to him. :D

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman's mission is to make his son's killer suffer as much as possible. I'd say so far he's doing a wonderful job and Simpson is helping him along by doing dumb things like writing this book. I predict that this isn't the last of his ill-advised schemes. imo.

tv
so far oj has made about $1,000,000 on this book.not a bad payday at all. I have no way of knowing what freds true mission is but he did seem to be outraged when the book first came out and he realized oj had made money from it as he gave many reasons why HC should not publish the book. Now that he has the rights to the book and can see the possibility of free money for himself, it is my opinion that he,fred, is pleased that oj did write the book.

i am sure that oj will continue to exercise his rights to work and make money without seeking approval from anyone.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
i am sure that oj will continue to exercise his rights to work and make money without seeking approval from anyone.


Who said he needs approval? He also knows that if he works, Fred is entitled to seek payment of the judgement, that's why he goes to extreme measures to hide the proceeds. The only "work" I've seen him do has been efforts to cash in on the murders. 2 books & a signing at a ghoul convention.

[martin II]

Mr. Goldman's mission is to make his son's killer suffer as much as possible. I'd say so far he's doing a wonderful job and Simpson is helping him along by doing dumb things like writing this book. I predict that this isn't the last of his ill-advised schemes. imo.

tv
Denise Brown quotes Fred Goldman.


"Let's hold Fred Goldman to his own words, Make certain that this material never sees the light of day."

"The fact that someone is willing to publish this garbage that Fox is willing to put it on air is just morally despicable to me. said Fred Goldman.

"Now Fred justifies publishing the book because he feels it's a confession by the killer, OJ Simpson but previously in an interview, Goldman says don't imagine for one second that he (OJ Simpson) considers this admitting it."

Fred's words once again, "would hope that no one would buy the book. I would hope that the message from people in this country is sent to his publisher, is sent to Fox that this is disgusting and despicable, that we as a nation won't put up with it."

"We won't buy the book. It's morally reprehensible. said Goldman.



http://www.denisebrown.com/media.htm

[tv]

tv
Denise Brown quotes Fred Goldman.


"Let's hold Fred Goldman to his own words, Make certain that this material never sees the light of day."

"The fact that someone is willing to publish this garbage that Fox is willing to put it on air is just morally despicable to me. said Fred Goldman.

"Now Fred justifies publishing the book because he feels it's a confession by the killer, OJ Simpson but previously in an interview, Goldman says don't imagine for one second that he (OJ Simpson) considers this admitting it."

Fred's words once again, "would hope that no one would buy the book. I would hope that the message from people in this country is sent to his publisher, is sent to Fox that this is disgusting and despicable, that we as a nation won't put up with it."

"We won't buy the book. It's morally reprehensible. said Goldman.



http://www.denisebrown.com/media.htmmartin, Denise Brown and Fred Goldman are both entitled to their opinions. I would never presume to second-guess either one of them after what both families have been through. I certainly don't take sides between the Browns and the Goldmans.

Why are you trying to champion Denise's cause? You do realize that she believes your hero slaughtered her sister like an animal? You jump on her bandwagon now because she's against Fred Goldman.

[martin II]

martin, Denise Brown and Fred Goldman are both entitled to their opinions. I would never presume to second-guess either one of them after what both families have been through. I certainly don't take sides between the Browns and the Goldmans.

Why are you trying to champion Denise's cause? You do realize that she believes your hero slaughtered her sister like an animal? You jump on her bandwagon now because she's against Fred Goldman.

tv
i have posted articles on the publication of the book. This includes denise.
Why are you complaining because i have posted what she has offered as freds changing positions on the book. She seems to believe that his changing position indicates that his interest in only in getting some free money for himself. She wants the public to remember this.I could say you are on freds side only because you are against oj but i do not know this as a fact. I support the position i think is right and fair. I agree with her when she describes freds only motive is free money.
imo

martinii

[martin II]

tv
i think Dwenise is saying that fred started out seeking assistance from the public in getting HC not to publish the book based on some moral code that the book was wrong for many reasons.
Now that he sees an opportunity to make some free money he has changed his position on the book to asking the public to buy it so he can get some free cash. She wants the public to see this change for what she called g**** by him.
You do see the flip flop in his actions right?

imo
martin II

[tv]

tv
i have posted articles on the publication of the book. This includes denise.
Why are you complaining because i have posted what she has offered as freds changing positions on the book. She seems to believe that his changing position indicates that his interest in only in getting some free money for himself. She wants the public to remember this.I could say you are on freds side only because you are against oj but i do not know this as a fact. I support the position i think is right and fair. I agree with her when she describes freds only motive is free money.
imo

martiniiI'm on Fred Goldman and Denise Brown's side in the hope that they receive justice for the murder of their loved ones. Why do you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is getting some "free money"? As has been stated on this forum before, OJ Simpson has a legal obligation to satisfy the legal judgement handed down in the civil trial. Fred Goldman has a legal right to pursue the satisfaction of that judgement.

I think the book is a piece of trash written by a man who stabbed and slashed his wife and her friend to death. I understand Fred Goldman's reasons for going forward with it and I understand Denise Brown's reasons for not wanting to see the book published.

What you call flip-flop I call changing his mind.

[martin II]

I'm on Fred Goldman and Denise Brown's side in the hope that they receive justice for the murder of their loved ones. Why do you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is getting some "free money"? As has been stated on this forum before, OJ Simpson has a legal obligation to satisfy the legal judgement handed down in the civil trial. Fred Goldman has a legal right to pursue the satisfaction of that judgement.

I think the book is a piece of trash written by a man who stabbed and slashed his wife and her friend to death. I understand Fred Goldman's reasons for going forward with it and I understand Denise Brown's reasons for not wanting to see the book published.

What you call flip-flop I call changing his mind.

money given to a person without labor is FREE MONEY.

But in this case the American puiblic may give him THEIR money in exchange for A book that he wants to sell as a result of the rights given to him FREE OF CHARGE by a judge.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

money given to a person without labor is FREE MONEY.

But in this case the American puiblic may give him THEIR money in exchange for A book that he wants to sell as a result of the rights given to him FREE OF CHARGE by a judge.

imo
martin II

Fred Goldman had to endure the devasting grief associated with having his only Son butchered, yet you continue to refer to it as "FREE MONEY". How insulting. I'd say 'FREE MONEY" is slaughtering 2 people & then slapping together a book about it in order to make some cash.

Did you expect the judge to charge Fred Goldman for something he found him to be legally entitled to? :rolleyes:

[martin II]

I'm on Fred Goldman and Denise Brown's side in the hope that they receive justice for the murder of their loved ones. Why do you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is getting some "free money"? As has been stated on this forum before, OJ Simpson has a legal obligation to satisfy the legal judgement handed down in the civil trial. Fred Goldman has a legal right to pursue the satisfaction of that judgement.

I think the book is a piece of trash written by a man who stabbed and slashed his wife and her friend to death. I understand Fred Goldman's reasons for going forward with it and I understand Denise Brown's reasons for not wanting to see the book published.

What you call flip-flop I call changing his mind.

tv

you may want to review www.denisebrown.com

i can go for changing his mind or flip flop. Denise has quoted him accurately. The issue some are discussing and seem to be angry about is freds motivation seems to be money as he now has a book out BY The Goldman Family and some people believe it is STILL BLOOD money he is after.

Those that judge by moral standards have a problem with his actions accoprding to their comments.


Maby you were but i was not there and did not see the murders happen but based on the criminal prosecutions case i agree and think that the jury got it exactly eright. NOT GUILTY.


martinii

[socaldiva]

*snip*

Maby you were but i was not there and did not see the murders happen but based on the criminal prosecutions case i agree and think that the jury got it exactly eright. NOT GUILTY.


NOT GUILTY & innocent are two different things. The civil jury found him liable & another judge found him to be entitled to Orenthal's book.

[martin II]

jotun

This should be interesting.
MARTIN ii



Chicago, IL—For the first time since Fred Goldman won the rights to publish O.J. Simpson's book If I Did It, the two victims' families will appear in a face-to-face interview on The Oprah Winfrey Show on Thursday, September 13, 2007. Denise Brown (sister of Nicole Brown Simpson), Fred Goldman (Ronald Goldman's father) and Kim Goldman (Ronald Goldman's sister) will appear together in-studio.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Chicago, IL—For the first time since Fred Goldman won the rights to publish O.J. Simpson's book If I Did It, the two victims' families will appear in a face-to-face interview on The Oprah Winfrey Show on Thursday, September 13, 2007. Denise Brown (sister of Nicole Brown Simpson), Fred Goldman (Ronald Goldman's father) and Kim Goldman (Ronald Goldman's sister) will appear together in-studio.

Thanks for letting everyone know. I bet it will be interesting.

[martin II]

I'm on Fred Goldman and Denise Brown's side in the hope that they receive justice for the murder of their loved ones. Why do you keep saying that Mr. Goldman is getting some "free money"? As has been stated on this forum before, OJ Simpson has a legal obligation to satisfy the legal judgement handed down in the civil trial. Fred Goldman has a legal right to pursue the satisfaction of that judgement.

I think the book is a piece of trash written by a man who stabbed and slashed his wife and her friend to death. I understand Fred Goldman's reasons for going forward with it and I understand Denise Brown's reasons for not wanting to see the book published.

What you call flip-flop I call changing his mind.

The book cover does not have a picture of oj
the title is I DID IT bY The Goldman Family.

[socaldiva]

The book cover does not have a picture of oj
the title is I DID IT bY The Goldman Family.

So what if there isn't a picture of Orenthal on the cover. Maby they figured no one wanted to see his mug :D

Amazon says the title is "If I did it: confessions of the killer". Looks like they are releasing it the same day as the Oprah interview with Denise Brown & Fred & Kim Goldman.

[tv]

tv

you may want to review www.denisebrown.com

i can go for changing his mind or flip flop. Denise has quoted him accurately. The issue some are discussing and seem to be angry about is freds motivation seems to be money as he now has a book out BY The Goldman Family and some people believe it is STILL BLOOD money he is after.

Those that judge by moral standards have a problem with his actions accoprding to their comments.


Maby you were but i was not there and did not see the murders happen but based on the criminal prosecutions case i agree and think that the jury got it exactly eright. NOT GUILTY.


martiniimartin, I've reviewed Denise Brown's website several times before today. I think her work with domestic violence is admirable and a wonderful way to honor and remember her sister. I understand how she feels about the book but I also understand how the Goldman family feels. I will not take sides between the two families. I don't think I'm in a position to judge either one of them.

People that judge by moral standards also have a problem with OJ Simpson being a double murderer. You're right, maybe I was there; you'd probably be more willing to believe that I did it than Simpson did it.

[martin II]

martin, I've reviewed Denise Brown's website several times before today. I think her work with domestic violence is admirable and a wonderful way to honor and remember her sister. I understand how she feels about the book but I also understand how the Goldman family feels. I will not take sides between the two families. I don't think I'm in a position to judge either one of them.

People that judge by moral standards also have a problem with OJ Simpson being a double murderer. You're right, maybe I was there; you'd probably be more willing to believe that I did it than Simpson did it.

Glad to hear you don't make moral judements of others..
If you were there please inform as to what happened and i will believe you.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Fred is on his way for some big bucks. it seems.
good for him.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/entertainment/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Books_Simpson.html

[weezer]

Glad to hear you don't make moral judements of others..
If you were there please inform as to what happened and i will believe you.

imo
martin II

go ahead tv -- tell him how you saw orenthal act like the animal he is and butcher Ron and Nicole. imo

[weezer]

Fred is on his way for some big bucks. it seems.
good for him.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/entertainment/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Books_Simpson.html

does anyone know if barnes and noble had plans to stock the book when orenthal was profiting from it?

[martin II]

does anyone know if barnes and noble had plans to stock the book when orenthal was profiting from it?

Read Barnes and Noble statement .
i believe all the major retailers planned to sell the book and did advertize it and some had received their shipment which they had to send back to hc when fred told the world the book should not be sold and a lot of other things that can be found on D B web site.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

go ahead tv -- tell him how you saw orenthal act like the animal he is and butcher Ron and Nicole. imo

is that a order?

martin II

[weezer]

is that a order?

martin II

nah -- tv knows I'm just kidding.

[weezer]

Read Barnes and Noble statement .
i believe all the major retailers planned to sell the book and did advertize it and some had received their shipment which they had to send back to hc when fred told the world the book should not be sold and a lot of other things that can be found on D B web site.
imo
martin II

hmmm - so it was fine for the murderer and his co-conspirator to profit but not the victims families?

[martin II]

hmmm - so it was fine for the murderer and his co-conspirator to profit but not the victims families?

you will have to ask Barnes and Noble that question.

martin II

[socaldiva]

Read Barnes and Noble statement .
i believe all the major retailers planned to sell the book and did advertize it and some had received their shipment which they had to send back to hc when fred told the world the book should not be sold and a lot of other things that can be found on D B web site.
imo
martin II

Are you talking about the statement contained in the Denise Brown link you provided? I saw nothing relative them or any other "major retailer" committing to the book prior to Fred pulling the plug on the release.

[tv]

nah -- tv knows I'm just kidding.
Yep, I knew that. :)


Glad to hear you don't make moral judements of others..
If you were there please inform as to what happened and i will believe you.

imo
martin II martin, I was kidding about being there. ;)

The forensic evidence at Bundy, Rockingham and in the Bronco tell the truth and the truth is that OJ Simpson acted like the animal he is and butchered Ron and Nicole. imo.

[WarmNCozy]

I am very curious to read it. But confused as to why he would write it in the first place. I guess I will have to wait and see.:shrug:

[martin II]

I am very curious to read it. But confused as to why he would write it in the first place. I guess I will have to wait and see.:shrug:

the book was/is on line free.

[martin II]

Yep, I knew that. :)


martin, I was kidding about being there. ;)

The forensic evidence at Bundy, Rockingham and in the Bronco tell the truth and the truth is that OJ Simpson acted like the animal he is and butchered Ron and Nicole. imo.

tv

i don't believe the time line supports a conviction do you?
martin II

martinII

[WarmNCozy]

the book was/is on line free.

Do you have a link? Why buy it if I can read it to free;)

[martin II]

Do you have a link? Why buy it if I can read it to free;)


i will pm you later

[tv]

tv

i don't believe the time line supports a conviction do you?
martin II

martinIII think the time line as outlined by Daniel Petrocelli in the civil trial fits perfectly.

[Kate Sachel]

Nothing strange at all. I think most people are pleased that Fred Goldman got something that Simpson hoped to keep for himself, but the amount of profit is just icing on the cake. It's really not confusing, nor is it complicated.

Excellent.

Kate

[WarmNCozy]

Yep, I knew that. :)


martin, I was kidding about being there. ;)

The forensic evidence at Bundy, Rockingham and in the Bronco tell the truth and the truth is that OJ Simpson acted like the animal he is and butchered Ron and Nicole. imo.

http://www.wagnerandson.com/

and tell me if you still feel that way.
:shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

http://www.wagnerandson.com/

and tell me if you still feel that way.
:shrug:

Many of us on this forum have fully and thoroughly read Wagner's site.

Kate

[tv]

http://www.wagnerandson.com/

and tell me if you still feel that way.
:shrug:Yes, I still feel that way. :)

[martin II]

I think the time line as outlined by Daniel Petrocelli in the civil trial fits perfectly.

tv
i believe he suggested that oj climbed over the south fence to get to his propertry. i have not seen no proof/evidence of that.imo
martin II

[martin II]

tv
i realized we are off topic and should hurry over to the proper thread.
martin II

[tv]

tv
i realized we are off topic and should hurry over to the proper thread.
martin IImartin, I'll respond to this in the Mark Fuhrman thread.

[socaldiva]

Do you have a link? Why buy it if I can read it to free;)

I thought I read that the book the Goldman's are releasing has commentary & such that was not in Orenthal's version.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

How are the sales doing?

[martin II]

How are the sales doing?

i have not heard but i know there are a lot of people in line waiting to get paid so i am sure all are hoping that it sells millions.
martin II

[weezer]

Do you have a link? Why buy it if I can read it to free;)

I thought only the confession chapter was online??????

[martin II]

I thought only the confession chapter was online??????

there is no chapter labeled confession in the original book. The entire book was/is offered on line.
you will have to look for yourself if you are interested.

Denise said she thought that someone would purchase the new book and put it on line for free and everyone would loose.

Note.
Barnes & noble did not strock or advertise the book but offered advance sales on their on line site.
Yesterday morning it was at 21 .last evening at 20. this morning it is at 18.
B&N had said they expected a initial bump up but that sales would quickly drop after the first week or so.
imo

martin II

[socaldiva]

i have not heard but i know there are a lot of people in line waiting to get paid so i am sure all are hoping that it sells millions.
martin II

If Orenthal paid his debts, the line wouldn't be so long :biggrin:

[tv]

If Orenthal paid his debts, the line wouldn't be so long :biggrin::beer: :beer:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Barnes & noble did not strock or advertise the book but offered advance sales on their on line site.


According to this link, Barnes & Noble has changed their position & will stock it in the stores after all:


http://www.eonline.com/news/blog/

[martin II]

i had thought that people would not be interested in reading what oj had to say but if they are buying the book i guess i was wrong on that issue.

martin II

[tv]

i had thought that people would not be interested in reading what oj had to say but if they are buying the book i guess i was wrong on that issue.

martin III think they're more interested in seeing the commentary that has been added by Mr. Goldman.

[martin II]

I think they're more interested in seeing the commentary that has been added by Mr. Goldman.

tv
may be but remember when the book first came out with no commentary from fred it was very high on Amazon and the published printed 400,000 copies and all retail stores stocked the book.
So it seems there was interest BEFORE fred added his part.
imo
martin II

[tv]

tv
may be but remember when the book first came out with no commentary from fred it was very high on Amazon and the published printed 400,000 copies and all retail stores stocked the book.
So it seems there was interest BEFORE fred added his part.
imo
martin IImartin, only because people wanted to read the confession or the hook chapter as you call it. I don't think people are that interested in the OJ/Nicole relationship story.

[martin II]

martin, only because people wanted to read the confession or the hook chapter as you call it. I don't think people are that interested in the OJ/Nicole relationship story.

i don't know what they are interestred in as no one has told me why many are buying the book.But i know the book was in ndemand when hc put it out with words by fred. So this tells me that freds comments was not responsible for the book demand then.

I did read a comment from a web site that commented that oj does not have to worry about paying the judgement from his pocket as the book buyers are
paying off the judgement from their pockets with the purchase of each book.


martin II

[martin II]

martin, only because people wanted to read the confession or the hook chapter as you call it. I don't think people are that interested in the OJ/Nicole relationship story.

There have been books written about oj but very few about nicole.Most don't know dip about her. I think many are interested in their lives from someone that knew.

martin II

[martin II]

Beaufort Books, the publisher of “If I Did It,” the recently revived book in which O. J. Simpson hypothesizes about how he might have murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman in 1994, announced yesterday that it would print 125,000 copies and would likely go back to press before the book is released around Sept 13. Eric Kampmann, owner and president of Beaufort, said the company already had orders for 116,000 copies from chain bookstores, independents and online retailers. Although Barnes & Noble announced that it would not sell the book in its stores, advance orders online at bn.com propelled it to No. 1 on its best-seller list on Monday, and it hovered between No. 2 and 5 yesterday. Last fall, after a public outcry, HarperCollins scuttled plans for a 400,000-copy print run by its Regan Books imprint. Since then, the Goldman family won the rights in bankruptcy court to publish the book. Separately, Denise Brown, sister of Ms. Brown Simpson, said yesterday in a statement that she was withdrawing from a planned Sept. 13 appearance on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” alongside members of the Goldman family. “At the time of accepting this proposition from Oprah, a publisher was not yet established, and publication was still pending,” Ms. Brown said, adding: “Since then, the Goldmans have retained a publisher who is rushing the book to market as we speak. And thus, has made the show a moot point for me.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/books/29arts-ORDERSFORSIM_BRF.html?ref=books

[socaldiva]

There have been books written about oj but very few about nicole.Most don't know dip about her. I think many are interested in their lives from someone that knew.

martin II

I don't think that's what the interest is about. After all, Orenthal is a liar & appears to feel no remorse in demonizing her to make himself look better. He will in no way tell the truth when it comes to the reality of their relationship:rolleyes:

[jotun]

jotun

This should be interesting.
MARTIN ii



Chicago, IL—For the first time since Fred Goldman won the rights to publish O.J. Simpson's book If I Did It, the two victims' families will appear in a face-to-face interview on The Oprah Winfrey Show on Thursday, September 13, 2007. Denise Brown (sister of Nicole Brown Simpson), Fred Goldman (Ronald Goldman's father) and Kim Goldman (Ronald Goldman's sister) will appear together in-studio.

Martin

Not very interesting now.
Beaufart head and gold-mans can't use Denise to advertize their O.J. book.

Denise has CANCELLED her gig on Oprah.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29
5022,00.html

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

Martin

Not very interesting now.
Beaufart head and gold-mans can't use Denise to advertize their O.J. book.

Denise has CANCELLED her gig on Oprah.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29
5022,00.html

IMO

jotun

The Goldman's don't need for Denise to help advertise the book, nor was that her reasoning for agreeing to do the show.

btw: I didn't see anything on your link relative to the book or Denise or the Goldmans, but I did read elsewhere that Denise had opted out of the Oprah show because Fred already had obtained a publisher.

[martin II]

Martin

Not very interesting now.
Beaufart head and gold-mans can't use Denise to advertize their O.J. book.

Denise has CANCELLED her gig on Oprah.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29
5022,00.html

IMO

jotun

Jotun

Denise pull back from oprah show is maby right for her because she was trying to prevent the publication of the book. i had thought that Oprah would have been a better show for her than fred.
People do seem to want to read what oj has to say as the reports is that the book is selling. Considering all of the lawyers that have faught for fred over the last 12 years, Petrocelli's fees, the two judgements for about $62,000,000
the new creditors and don't forget the new publishers profit, they will have to sell many many books if all are to be paid.
The book's price $15.00 makes it easy for some to purchase.At least it is better then the list of $24.00

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
People do seem to want to read what oj has to say as the reports is that the book is selling. Considering all of the lawyers that have faught for fred over the last 12 years, Petrocelli's fees, the two judgements for about $62,000,000
the new creditors and don't forget the new publishers profit, they will have to sell many many books if all are to be paid.


I thought you were previously sure that the book wouldn't do well because it was leaked to the internet? If people were that interested, they would have read it there by now, for free. Perhaps people are now buying it out of support for Fred. People weren't very interested in reading Orenthal's "I want to tell you" book were they?

Two judgements for $62,000,000? :confused:

Who said they expect the book to pay off everyone & everything? Fred can still continue to go after Orenthal for additional funds ;)

[martin II]

Another comment.

Following this morning's item about the increased print run for If I Did It, and my curiosity as to who was buying those extra copies, Barnes & Noble has confirmed that it is reversing its decision to keep the book off its shelves.
"When plans were initially announced to publish If I Did It," says spokeswoman Mary Ellen Keating in a statement documenting the policy change, "there was widespread customer outrage and disgust. So much outrage that our buyers felt there would be little customer demand for the newest edition of the book, published by The Goldman Family." Hence the original decision to only sell the book through their website or for in-store special orders. "Since then," Keating notes, "we've been monitoring the pre-orders and customer requests and have concluded that enough customers have expressed interest in buying the book to warrant stocking it in our stores. We do not intend to promote the book but we will stock it in our stores because our customers are asking for it."

In other words, B&N is doing exactly what Borders has said they'd do all along. Interesting how consumer interest went from "a handful of pre-orders" to "enough customers... to warrant stocking it in our stores" in just two days, isn't it?


25K More Copies of If I Did It: Why?
http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/new_upcoming/

[Heyes]

Another comment.

Following this morning's item about the increased print run for If I Did It, and my curiosity as to who was buying those extra copies, Barnes & Noble has confirmed that it is reversing its decision to keep the book off its shelves.
"When plans were initially announced to publish If I Did It," says spokeswoman Mary Ellen Keating in a statement documenting the policy change, "there was widespread customer outrage and disgust. So much outrage that our buyers felt there would be little customer demand for the newest edition of the book, published by The Goldman Family." Hence the original decision to only sell the book through their website or for in-store special orders. "Since then," Keating notes, "we've been monitoring the pre-orders and customer requests and have concluded that enough customers have expressed interest in buying the book to warrant stocking it in our stores. We do not intend to promote the book but we will stock it in our stores because our customers are asking for it."

In other words, B&N is doing exactly what Borders has said they'd do all along. Interesting how consumer interest went from "a handful of pre-orders" to "enough customers... to warrant stocking it in our stores" in just two days, isn't it?


25K More Copies of If I Did It: Why?http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/new_upcoming/

It really is simple Martin,
This is our way of supporting Mr. Goldman
oj wrote it = no sale
Mr. Goldman gets the rights = $ales!
It's all about voicing our support for a man who's son was murdered.
It's all about voicing our disgust for the man who is responsible.
Simple!

[martin II]

It really is simple Martin,
This is our way of supporting Mr. Goldman
oj wrote it = no sale
Mr. Goldman gets the rights = $ales!
It's all about voicing our support for a man who's son was murdered.
It's all about voicing our disgust for the man who is responsible.
Simple!

Heyes

The above link i posted is from a site that had comments about B&N's
decision to stock the book based on some early on line request.Obviously the writer had some dissagreement with the B&N decision.
It is your right to purchase the new book for whatever reason you give yourself. The book containes the same words of oj describing his relationship with nicole regardless of the additions of fred and some other people.

I guess the idea is that if fred receives some MONEY, this will in some way,
make the loss of his son less painfull.
imo
martin II

[tv]

Heyes

The above link i posted is from a site that had comments about B&N's
decision to stock the book based on some early on line request.Obviously the writer had some dissagreement with the B&N decision.
It is your right to purchase the new book for whatever reason you give yourself. The book containes the same words of oj describing his relationship with nicole regardless of the additions of fred and some other people.

I guess the idea is that if fred receives some MONEY, this will in some way,
make the loss of his son less painfull.
imo
martin II

martin, the purpose behind Mr. Goldman's actions is to make the murderer of his son suffer. The loss of his son will never become less painful because of receiving money. Do you understand that this is the result of a legal judgement handed down in a court of law? He's not taking something from OJ Simpson illegally the way OJ Simpson took his son from him illegally. imo.

[martin II]

martin, the purpose behind Mr. Goldman's actions is to make the murderer of his son suffer. The loss of his son will never become less painful because of receiving money. Do you understand that this is the result of a legal judgement handed down in a court of law? He's not taking something from OJ Simpson illegally the way OJ Simpson took his son from him illegally. imo.

Oj simpson never legally owned the rights to this book.So i have not understood how the rights could be legally taken away but that judge made that arrangement.

Fred has changed his position on the publication of this book from it was something like trash that should never see the light of day, when HC and OJ's children were to profit to lets get this thing published when he IS THE ONE RECEIVING THIS FREE MONEY.
He can make any new excuse he wants to but he is trying very hard to make money off of the story of his sons death and is willing to accept with open arms what has been previously called something like BLOOD MONEY.

Actually it may be the many lawyers that fred owes for the past 12 years work that are driving his attempts at this money.
imo
martin II

[tv]

Oj simpson never legally owned the rights to this book.So i have not understood how the rights could be legally taken away but that judge made that arrangement.

Fred has changed his position on the publication of this book from it was something like trash that should never see the light of day, when HC and OJ's children were to profit to lets get this thing published when he IS THE ONE RECEIVING THIS FREE MONEY.
He can make any new excuse he wants to but he is trying very hard to make money off of the story of his sons death and is willing to accept with open arms what has been previously called something like BLOOD MONEY.

Actually it may be the many lawyers that fred owes for the past 12 years work that are driving his attempts at this money.
imo
martin IImartin, this is NOT free money. This is money that OJ Simpson legally owes as adjudicated in a court of law.

I disagree with the criminal verdict but that doesn't mean I think OJ Simpson should be thrown in jail just because I don't like the verdict. You think Fred Goldman isn't entitled to what is legally owed to him and that it's okay for OJ Simpson to evade payment. That is just wrong IMO. Thank goodness a judge saw through the phoney LBA company.

[martin II]

martin, this is NOT free money. This is money that OJ Simpson legally owes as adjudicated in a court of law.

I disagree with the criminal verdict but that doesn't mean I think OJ Simpson should be thrown in jail just because I don't like the verdict. You think Fred Goldman isn't entitled to what is legally owed to him and that it's okay for OJ Simpson to evade payment. That is just wrong IMO. Thank goodness a judge saw through the phoney LBA company.

Fred has not worked for any of this money. The judge GAVE IT TO HIM FREE OF CHARGE. Same as if he had given him a winning lottery ticket.

Again oj never owned the rights to this book so i don't see how it could have been taken away from oj.

Oj has been paid all the money he was suppose to get under the legal HC contract with LBA. Almost $1,000,000.

The money fred is set to get does not come from oj's pocket. He is in no way paying fred one penny. It is money comming out of the pockets of those that want to as you say "want to show support for fred." or better said, want to help him get a bigger house and more cars because someone killed his son.

However, reading DENISEBROWN.COM's post by posters there including the petition i find that there are quite a few people that dissagree with your position on fred getting this FREE MONEY.

Specifically H C made a legal contract with a legal company lba. If the judge then said LBA was not a legal company, then the rights should revert back to HC based on the judge cancelling the contract with lba. Square that if you can.imo
martin II

[martin II]

martin, this is NOT free money. This is money that OJ Simpson legally owes as adjudicated in a court of law.

I disagree with the criminal verdict but that doesn't mean I think OJ Simpson should be thrown in jail just because I don't like the verdict. You think Fred Goldman isn't entitled to what is legally owed to him and that it's okay for OJ Simpson to evade payment. That is just wrong IMO. Thank goodness a judge saw through the phoney LBA company.


FREDS judgement is no different than a judgement a credit card company or any other creditor may receive as a result of a civil court action taken against a person. There must be thousand of Debt collection companies
in Americas going after people that have judgements against them for not paying certain debts.some valid and some maby not valid.

It is my opinion that the civil judgement in that political production set the judgement amount too high without any concern of whether it would be possible to be paid.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
However, reading DENISEBROWN.COM's post by posters there including the petition i find that there are quite a few people that dissagree with your position on fred getting this FREE MONEY.


I just looked. She has 4810 signatures. Her goal was 100,000. ;)

[socaldiva]

*snip*
FREDS judgement is no different than a judgement a credit card company or any other creditor may receive as a result of a civil court action taken against a person.

Of course it's different, unless there was a wrongful death associated with the credit card company. It more akin to a judgement being handed down for a person killed in an automobile accident due to faulty equipment provided by the automobile manufacturer. imo. Do you consider that 'FREE MONEY' also?

[socaldiva]

*snip*Fred has not worked for any of this money. The judge GAVE IT TO HIM FREE OF CHARGE. Same as if he had given him a winning lottery ticket.

This is absurd :no: :no: :no:

[martin II]

tv

remember freds lawyer initially said they were going to ask the bankruptcy judge to allow them to BUY the rights to the book according to some media reports when lba first filed bankruptcy.
imo
martin II

[weezer]

I think some NG's are upset that arnelle's momma won't be getting a new house out of the deal?

I think some G's want to show support for the Goldmans.

imo

[socaldiva]

I think some NG's are upset that arnelle's momma won't be getting a new house out of the deal?

I think some G's want to show support for the Goldmans.

imo

I wonder if Arnelle is upset that she didn't get the 'FREE MONEY' she hoped to get from the book?

[tv]

Of course it's different, unless there was a wrongful death associated with the credit card company. It more akin to a judgement being handed down for a person killed in an automobile accident due to faulty equipment provided by the automobile manufacturer. imo. Do you consider that 'FREE MONEY' also?Of course he does, diva. martin clearly stated that if they didn't work for it then it's FREE MONEY.

[tv]

Fred has not worked for any of this money. The judge GAVE IT TO HIM FREE OF CHARGE. Same as if he had given him a winning lottery ticket.

Again oj never owned the rights to this book so i don't see how it could have been taken away from oj.

Oj has been paid all the money he was suppose to get under the legal HC contract with LBA. Almost $1,000,000.

The money fred is set to get does not come from oj's pocket. He is in no way paying fred one penny. It is money comming out of the pockets of those that want to as you say "want to show support for fred." or better said, want to help him get a bigger house and more cars because someone killed his son.

However, reading DENISEBROWN.COM's post by posters there including the petition i find that there are quite a few people that dissagree with your position on fred getting this FREE MONEY.

Specifically H C made a legal contract with a legal company lba. If the judge then said LBA was not a legal company, then the rights should revert back to HC based on the judge cancelling the contract with lba. Square that if you can.imo
martin IImartin, I really think that's a shameful thing to say about Mr. Goldman. Do you have any proof that he will use the money to buy luxury items and a bigger house?

Do you think that if HC should get the rights to the book then they should also get back the money that they paid OJ Simpson? Looks to me like OJ Simpson got some FREE MONEY.

[tv]

I think some NG's are upset that arnelle's momma won't be getting a new house out of the deal?

I think some G's want to show support for the Goldmans.

imoI think you're exactly right weezer. The plan to scam Fred Goldman out of his rightful compensation backfired.

[weezer]

Fred has not worked for any of this money. The judge GAVE IT TO HIM FREE OF CHARGE. Same as if he had given him a winning lottery ticket.

Again oj never owned the rights to this book so i don't see how it could have been taken away from oj.

Oj has been paid all the money he was suppose to get under the legal HC contract with LBA. Almost $1,000,000.

The money fred is set to get does not come from oj's pocket. He is in no way paying fred one penny. It is money comming out of the pockets of those that want to as you say "want to show support for fred." or better said, want to help him get a bigger house and more cars because someone killed his son.

However, reading DENISEBROWN.COM's post by posters there including the petition i find that there are quite a few people that dissagree with your position on fred getting this FREE MONEY.

Specifically H C made a legal contract with a legal company lba. If the judge then said LBA was not a legal company, then the rights should revert back to HC based on the judge cancelling the contract with lba. Square that if you can.imo
martin II

I'm sure a lottery ticket for the Goldmans and Browns would have had them getting their murdered children back.
You don't put much value on human life do you? Have you asked yourself what price you would take for the life of your child or mother or sister?

[martin II]

I'm sure a lottery ticket for the Goldmans and Browns would have had them getting their murdered children back.
You don't put much value on human life do you? Have you asked yourself what price you would take for the life of your child or mother or sister?

WEEZER

How about you leave my family out of whatever you are trying to say here.

martin II

[weezer]

WEEZER

How about you leave my family out of whatever you are trying to say here.

martin II

the topic of this thread is orenthal's confession book. You claim that Fred Goldman is getting 'free money' because he claimed rights to the confession book and is now publishing it. I assume you meant that the 'free money' was coming from the award won in a court of law from the murderer of his son. Would you also consider it 'free money' for orenthal or do you think since he obviously broke a sweat while murdering Ron and Nicole, then he 'worked' for it? imo

[martin II]

martin, I really think that's a shameful thing to say about Mr. Goldman. Do you have any proof that he will use the money to buy luxury items and a bigger house?

Do you think that if HC should get the rights to the book then they should also get back the money that they paid OJ Simpson? Looks to me like OJ Simpson got some FREE MONEY.

tv
maby you don't understand the terms of the HC contract.
OJ did all that was required of him under the contract and was therefore paid
the money owed to him BEFORE fred asked the public to cancel what he then called trash/garbage.

Denisebrown.com has all of freds early comments about the oj book in addition to many people expressing anger at fred for publishing the book so please don't get the impression that i am the only one critical of his money grab.

Actually the bigger house comments did not originate with me it was made by
a person on some web site i visited some time ago.I thought it had a ring of truth to it since fred was going after the money even then.

imo
martinII

[weezer]

tv
maby you don't understand the terms of the HC contract.
OJ did all that was required of him under the contract and was therefore paid
the money owed to him BEFORE fred asked the public to cancel what he then called trash/garbage.

Denisebrown.com has all of freds early comments about the oj book in addition to many people expressing anger at fred for publishing the book so please don't get the impression that i am the only one critical of his money grab.

Actually the bigger house comments did not originate with me it was made by
a person on some web site i visited some time ago.I thought it had a ring of truth to it since fred was going after the money even then.

imo
martinII

good ole martin -- right at the front of the line to bash the victim's family. Mr. Goldman is 'going' after the murderer of his son: orenthal james simpson. As is his right. imo

[martin II]

the topic of this thread is orenthal's confession book. You claim that Fred Goldman is getting 'free money' because he claimed rights to the confession book and is now publishing it. I assume you meant that the 'free money' was coming from the award won in a court of law from the murderer of his son. Would you also consider it 'free money' for orenthal or do you think since he obviously broke a sweat while murdering Ron and Nicole, then he 'worked' for it? imo

weezer
i believe the title of this thread is "oj's new book"
Oj did work for the money hc paid him so it was not free money any way you look at it.
The rest of your post may be just your opinion.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

good ole martin -- right at the front of the line to bash the victim's family. Mr. Goldman is 'going' after the murderer of his son: orenthal james simpson. As is his right. imo

The people that purchase the book will be paying fred the money he is after.
Hopefully enough books will be sold so that he can feel he has been adequately paid for the death of his son.imo
martin II

[weezer]

The people that purchase the book will be paying fred the money he is after.
Hopefully enough books will be sold so that he can feel he has been adequately paid for the death of his son.imo
martin II

"adequately paid for the death of his son" I'm sorry but I have to ask you again what price you would put on a loved one's life?

I too hope a bunch of the books are sold -- not because Mr. Goldman wants the money but because it will cause orenthal to get his panties all in a twist! ;) :eek:

[weezer]

weezer
i believe the title of this thread is "oj's new book"
Oj did work for the money hc paid him so it was not free money any way you look at it.
The rest of your post may be just your opinion.
imo
martin II

and the Goldmans and the Estate won a judgement against any money he brought in -- guess they had the right to go after it.

what do you think arnelle did to 'work' for the money?

[Family Snapshot]

How can anyone exchange a penny for a pound of flesh so easily? If I had my way I would buy the rights and burn it on OJ's front lawn along with his gloves. Somethings are better left unread.

:rose: Nicole & Ron :rose:

[weezer]

How can anyone exchange a penny for a pound of flesh so easily? If I had my way I would buy the rights and burn it on OJ's front lawn along with his gloves. Somethings are better left unread.

:rose: Nicole & Ron :rose:

I think we would all join you for the roast. :beer:

My thought is that the book isn't being bought to be read but rather to support the families -- at least that's what I'm doing.

The other thing is, the way society is, this book will be around long after orenthal and everyone else is gone and I believe it will be taken as truth. I would expect that in the future people who come across the book will not question the truth that orenthal murdered two human beings because he said he did it. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*

I too hope a bunch of the books are sold -- not because Mr. Goldman wants the money but because it will cause orenthal to get his panties all in a twist! ;) :eek:

I agree :D

[martin II]

I think we would all join you for the roast. :beer:

My thought is that the book isn't being bought to be read but rather to support the families -- at least that's what I'm doing.

The other thing is, the way society is, this book will be around long after orenthal and everyone else is gone and I believe it will be taken as truth. I would expect that in the future people who come across the book will not question the truth that orenthal murdered two human beings because he said he did it. imo

Many have a different view than yours.imo
martin ii

[martin II]

"adequately paid for the death of his son" I'm sorry but I have to ask you again what price you would put on a loved one's life?

I too hope a bunch of the books are sold -- not because Mr. Goldman wants the money but because it will cause orenthal to get his panties all in a twist! ;) :eek:

Again, leave referances to my family out of your post.
martin II

[martin II]

"adequately paid for the death of his son" I'm sorry but I have to ask you again what price you would put on a loved one's life?

I too hope a bunch of the books are sold -- not because Mr. Goldman wants the money but because it will cause orenthal to get his panties all in a twist! ;) :eek:

if you believe fred does not want the money i believe you are kidding yourself.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

How can anyone exchange a penny for a pound of flesh so easily? If I had my way I would buy the rights and burn it on OJ's front lawn along with his gloves. Somethings are better left unread.

:rose: Nicole & Ron :rose:

FRED had/has the opportunity to do just that but he opted to take the money from the sale of the book for personal financial gain.

That says something about fred.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

I think we would all join you for the roast. :beer:

My thought is that the book isn't being bought to be read but rather to support the families -- at least that's what I'm doing.

The other thing is, the way society is, this book will be around long after orenthal and everyone else is gone and I believe it will be taken as truth. I would expect that in the future people who come across the book will not question the truth that orenthal murdered two human beings because he said he did it. imo

what you do is not what everyone else does by a long shot.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

if you believe fred does not want the money i believe you are kidding yourself.
imo
martin II

Didn't you read her post??? She said she believes Fred wants the money because Orenthal will be upset ;)

[socaldiva]

what you do is not what everyone else does by a long shot.

imo
martin II


What she does is more reflective of most of America, unlike yourself. Most don't support the double murderer....;)

[weezer]

Hey -- maybe this is why arnelle needed money? anyone ever hear whether or not she/orenthal paid it?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9804/24/briefs/arnelle.simpson/index.html
and

"Arnelle Simpson To Pay $10,000 In Damages For Drunk Driving.
From: Jet Date: November 30, 1998

O.J. Simpson's oldest daughter, Arnelle, was recently ordered to pay more than $10,000 for damages she caused to a bus bench and an apartment building during a drunk-driving accident in Beverly Hills, CA.

Arnelle Simpson, 29, expects her insurance company to cover the lion's share of the ..."

[martin II]

Hey -- maybe this is why arnelle needed money? anyone ever hear whether or not she/orenthal paid it?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9804/24/briefs/arnelle.simpson/index.html
and

"Arnelle Simpson To Pay $10,000 In Damages For Drunk Driving.
From: Jet Date: November 30, 1998

O.J. Simpson's oldest daughter, Arnelle, was recently ordered to pay more than $10,000 for damages she caused to a bus bench and an apartment building during a drunk-driving accident in Beverly Hills, CA.

Arnelle Simpson, 29, expects her insurance company to cover the lion's share of the ..."

I see Arnell still has you going. It must be something to make you think this 1998 event is important now.it's good to have insurance.
seems like lately a lot of ladies have been dui in la from what i have read.

imo
martin II

[weezer]

I see Arnell still has you going. It must be something to make you think this 1998 event is important now.it's good to have insurance.
seems like lately a lot of ladies have been dui in la from what i have read.

imo
martin II

there's been talk about why arnelle would pitch this book to Nicole's children and this is all I could come up with -- unless of course my original thought -- how she must have hated Nicole. imo

[martin II]

there's been talk about why arnelle would pitch this book to Nicole's children and this is all I could come up with -- unless of course my original thought -- how she must have hated Nicole. imo

One excuse is as good as another.But i see Arnell still has you going.IMO
MARTIN ii

[weezer]

One excuse is as good as another.But i see Arnell still has you going.IMO
MARTIN ii

nah -- I believe in karma, remember?

william doesn't like it when you get off topic. :no:

[jotun]

Jotun

Denise pull back from oprah show is maby right for her because she was trying to prevent the publication of the book. i had thought that Oprah would have been a better show for her than fred.
People do seem to want to read what oj has to say as the reports is that the book is selling. Considering all of the lawyers that have faught for fred over the last 12 years, Petrocelli's fees, the two judgements for about $62,000,000
the new creditors and don't forget the new publishers profit, they will have to sell many many books if all are to be paid.
The book's price $15.00 makes it easy for some to purchase.At least it is better then the list of $24.00

imo
martin II

Martin
Of course people want to read,hear and see O.J. Always have always will.Those internet interviews had millions of viewers.

Seems most people still think this is O.J.'s book instead of gold-man's.

Wonder what the readers of gold-man's
O.J. book will think after they have bought and read the hook chapter, and contrary to what gold-man has said, realize there is no 'murder' and no 'confession'.....
goldman's extensive commentary for 'i Did It',if like his tv appperarances will just be a sucession of name-calling.He will certainly comment that all the other chapters are "lies" BUT the totally ghostwritten hook chapter is "truth" a "confession" etc.

If anyone wants goldman family commentary could get it all in their book 'his name is ron'.It is all about the trial and what they wanted to say to O.J. at 'sentencing'.

No has to purchase that book.Go into the local B&N read the chapter put it back on the shelf and leave. That is what I will do. GOLD-man will not get one penny of my money.Hope he comes here for a book-signing.We have plans to see gold-man, as we did Shapiro & Johnnie.The welcome will be different tho.

Will be interesting to see if the kids or other creditors receive their portions of 10% first as promised or if gold-man takes his 90% of the top. Would think the past & present lawyers will be wanting their long-awaited fees. Of course the publisher will get most of the profits per usual.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Hope he comes here for a book-signing.We have plans to see gold-man, as we did Shapiro & Johnnie.The welcome will be different tho.

Will be interesting to see if the kids or other creditors receive their portions of 10% first as promised or if gold-man takes his 90% of the top.

I think it's pitiful that you seem to want to meet Mr Goldman in person so that you can say something snide.

As for taking his portion off the top, do you mean like Ornenthal did with his own daughter?

[tv]

Martin

*snip* GOLD-man will not get one penny of my money.Hope he comes here for a book-signing.We have plans to see gold-man, as we did Shapiro & Johnnie.The welcome will be different tho.
jotunIt takes a class act to be cruel to a man who's lost his son. I think OJ Simpson sits back and laughs at all the misguided supporters that defend him. He doesn't have to lift a finger in his own defense because he has a legion of gullible people to do it for him. imo.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
It takes a class act to be cruel to a man who's lost his son.

I agree. Regardless of who you think the murderer is, there is no excuse for being nasty to Fred Goldman. He had no desire to have his life disrupted by the murder of his only son. :mad:

[martin II]

Martin
Of course people want to read,hear and see O.J. Always have always will.Those internet interviews had millions of viewers.

Seems most people still think this is O.J.'s book instead of gold-man's.

Wonder what the readers of gold-man's
O.J. book will think after they have bought and read the hook chapter, and contrary to what gold-man has said, realize there is no 'murder' and no 'confession'.....
goldman's extensive commentary for 'i Did It',if like his tv appperarances will just be a sucession of name-calling.He will certainly comment that all the other chapters are "lies" BUT the totally ghostwritten hook chapter is "truth" a "confession" etc.

If anyone wants goldman family commentary could get it all in their book 'his name is ron'.It is all about the trial and what they wanted to say to O.J. at 'sentencing'.

No has to purchase that book.Go into the local B&N read the chapter put it back on the shelf and leave. That is what I will do. GOLD-man will not get one penny of my money.Hope he comes here for a book-signing.We have plans to see gold-man, as we did Shapiro & Johnnie.The welcome will be different tho.

Will be interesting to see if the kids or other creditors receive their portions of 10% first as promised or if gold-man takes his 90% of the top. Would think the past & present lawyers will be wanting their long-awaited fees. Of course the publisher will get most of the profits per usual.

IMO

jotun

I read the 'HOOK' chapter and have not read any description that i believe is reality of any killing. we are not told who killed who. So i believe it was all fake created by oj and the ghost writer to fool people into buying the book.
seems like the ghost writer not want to dodge the heat by saying oj wrote all of the book.

I am sure fred will express his opinions in his new contribution but he has already said all of this before in endless interviews. contrary to what some fred supporters believe i think people want to read about the relationship between oj and nicole during their relationship and oj is the only one to do that.

Considering all the people tha thave to be paid from the sale, i still don't understand how this will happen unless the book sells in excess of 400,000 copies. The publisher will certainly take his 50% of the sales price first.imo
martin II

[martin II]

It takes a class act to be cruel to a man who's lost his son. I think OJ Simpson sits back and laughs at all the misguided supporters that defend him. He doesn't have to lift a finger in his own defense because he has a legion of gullible people to do it for him. imo.

tv
fred is not by any means the first person to loose a child by murder in this country. But it is my opinion he is the first to create a public specticle of this size out of it. even before the book was written. But he could not have done this without the assistance of the media.
I believe the family of the girl that died in the phil Spector case has filed a civil case against him but they obviously have decided not to make a public drama out of it. Her death was just as horrible as nicoles and ron's but i have wondered why the media has not given this case the 24/7 reporting that they gave the oj case. what is the differance. same with robert blake case.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

It takes a class act to be cruel to a man who's lost his son. I think OJ Simpson sits back and laughs at all the misguided supporters that defend him. He doesn't have to lift a finger in his own defense because he has a legion of gullible people to do it for him. imo.

tv
i am not sure it is accurate to call people with opinions different than yours
"Gullible people" When fred went public with his cry for assistance from the public he did open himself up to comments by people that did not agree with what he was doing. he is fair game.
If oj is laughing at anything it may be that he realizes he was paid his $1,000,000 for his work on the book and that it is the people buying freds book that are paying off freds judgement not him.imo

martin II

[weezer]

It takes a class act to be cruel to a man who's lost his son. I think OJ Simpson sits back and laughs at all the misguided supporters that defend him. He doesn't have to lift a finger in his own defense because he has a legion of gullible people to do it for him. imo.

Good observation tv!

[tv]

tv
i am not sure it is accurate to call people with opinions different than yours
"Gullible people" When fred went public with his cry for assistance from the public he did open himself up to comments by people that did not agree with what he was doing. he is fair game.
If oj is laughing at anything it may be that he realizes he was paid his $1,000,000 for his work on the book and that it is the people buying freds book that are paying off freds judgement not him.imo

martin IImartin, of course OJ Simpson is laughing because he's been paid up front. That was my whole point -- OJ Simpson is laughing all the way to the bank while other people fight his battles. Please don't twist my meaning. I didn't call some people gullible because their opinion isn't the same as mine. I called them gullible because they've been sucked into OJ Simpson's web of lies and actually believe them and allow themselves to be used by him.

If you say Fred Goldman is fair game then so is OJ Simpson and anyone else who put themselves in the public eye by enabling him to circumvent the legal judgement handed down and lying during both trials for him. That includes Arnelle.

[weezer]

martin, of course OJ Simpson is laughing because he's been paid up front. That was my whole point -- OJ Simpson is laughing all the way to the bank while other people fight his battles. Please don't twist my meaning. I didn't call some people gullible because their opinion isn't the same as mine. I called them gullible because they've been sucked into OJ Simpson's web of lies and actually believe them and allow themselves to be used by him.

If you say Fred Goldman is fair game then so is OJ Simpson and anyone else who put themselves in the public eye by enabling him to circumvent the legal judgement handed down and lying during both trials for him. That includes Arnelle.

:beer: :beer: :beer: Rootbeer floats all around!!!!

[tv]

:beer: :beer: :beer: Rootbeer floats all around!!!!weezer, make mine a double!

[martin II]

martin, of course OJ Simpson is laughing because he's been paid up front. That was my whole point -- OJ Simpson is laughing all the way to the bank while other people fight his battles. Please don't twist my meaning. I didn't call some people gullible because their opinion isn't the same as mine. I called them gullible because they've been sucked into OJ Simpson's web of lies and actually believe them and allow themselves to be used by him.

If you say Fred Goldman is fair game then so is OJ Simpson and anyone else who put themselves in the public eye by enabling him to circumvent the legal judgement handed down and lying during both trials for him. That includes Arnelle.

i don't know of anyone fighting oj's battles other than his lawyer Yale. since the bankruptcty filing i have not heard much of anything from oj about that book.
Some people believe that the jury got it right and therefore oj did not kill anyone as the jury decided. What you say about people that believe he is not guilty(gullible) can be said about people that believe the prosecutions case and now freds flip flop position about why he wants the money from the sale of a book about his sons death.

suckered is believeing fred when he said that book was garbage and did not
even need to be published. Those people that believe him and signed the petitions that forced HC to cancel the book, Only to find out that freds lawyers were working very hard to get the title to the book so they could sell it for their profit. That is what i call suckered. But having commited 100% to fred some find it difficult to reject his flip flop in favor of the money.

Look oj is not different than any other person with a judgement against them that has not paid the debt. It is his right to work to make money and he has no legal responsibility to call fred and tell him i made some money. It is freds responsibility to find and take the money and i have no problem with him doing that. only a fool would expect oj to sit at home and not try to make money just because fred has this judgement.
Again i say, the civil trial jury ignored the financial info outlining oj's finances
and his potential for making money when they awarded this historical judgement. It made them feel good maby, but the level of the award made it almost impossible that oj would be able to pay it off. so that is where we are today.
Fred does not care that this money is not comming from the pockets of oj. it is ok with him that the public is willing to pay him for the death of his son just as long as he gets money. It is also ok with me.
He could have just asked the public to send him the price of the book $14.00
and he could have destroyed the rights after the judge gave it to him free of charge and there would be no book.
martinII

[socaldiva]

*snip*
fred is not by any means the first person to loose a child by murder in this country.

I didn't realize that one had to be the first or the only one in order to garner sympathy for such a loss.

Relative to Lana Clarkson, maybe her Mother doesn't have the emotional strength or desire to pursue her child's killer the way Fred has, but it looks like you think the thing to do is just suck it up & quietly get on with your life.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Fred does not care that this money is not comming from the pockets of oj. it is ok with him that the public is willing to pay him for the death of his son just as long as he gets money. It is also ok with me.


You're joking right? You are constantly posting disparaging remarks about Fred's pursuit of the book.

[tv]

i don't know of anyone fighting oj's battles other than his lawyer Yale. since the bankruptcty filing i have not heard much of anything from oj about that book.
Some people believe that the jury got it right and therefore oj did not kill anyone as the jury decided. What you say about people that believe he is not guilty(gullible) can be said about people that believe the prosecutions case and now freds flip flop position about why he wants the money from the sale of a book about his sons death.

suckered is believeing fred when he said that book was garbage and did not
even need to be published. Those people that believe him and signed the petitions that forced HC to cancel the book, Only to find out that freds lawyers were working very hard to get the title to the book so they could sell it for their profit. That is what i call suckered. But having commited 100% to fred some find it difficult to reject his flip flop in favor of the money.

Look oj is not different than any other person with a judgement against them that has not paid the debt. It is his right to work to make money and he has no legal responsibility to call fred and tell him i made some money. It is freds responsibility to find and take the money and i have no problem with him doing that. only a fool would expect oj to sit at home and not try to make money just because fred has this judgement.
Again i say, the civil trial jury ignored the financial info outlining oj's finances
and his potential for making money when they awarded this historical judgement. It made them feel good maby, but the level of the award made it almost impossible that oj would be able to pay it off. so that is where we are today.
Fred does not care that this money is not comming from the pockets of oj. it is ok with him that the public is willing to pay him for the death of his son just as long as he gets money. It is also ok with me.
He could have just asked the public to send him the price of the book $14.00
and he could have destroyed the rights after the judge gave it to him free of charge and there would be no book.
martinIImartin, how do you know it's okay with Mr. Goldman if the public pays for the book instead of him receiving the money directly? I'm sure he'd like to get it from Simpson in whatever way would cause him the most pain. Who do you think would have paid for the book if the proceeds had gone to Simpson as planned? The public of course.

I agree that Simpson has a right to work but I must be one of those fools you're talking about because I think it's extremely dumb of OJ Simpson to try to make money that he knows Fred Goldman is gjoing to go after. The man has an income of $26,000 a month which Mr. Goldman can't touch. It's not like he's standing in a soup line at a homeless kitchen. I don't think he minds not working. I think he just wants to stay in the limelight and to do that he has to be out in the public being OJ.

[tv]

You're joking right? You are constantly posting disparaging remarks about Fred's pursuit of the book.Uh-oh, I think martin is flip-flopping. :eek:

[martin II]

Uh-oh, I think martin is flip-flopping. :eek:

tv
i believe that fred lied to people when he first said the book should not be published. If he had been truthful he would have said the book should not be published by oj but it should be published by me as i am the only one that should profit from my sons death. I think that is what he had in mind when
one day he put public pressure on hc not to publish the book and the next day or two he DEMANDED that HC just give him the title.They told him to get lost.

I believe fred has a right to go after the money i just think he should be truthful about his real motives and stop PLAYING people into thinking it is about something other than cold hard cash that he seeks. I also believe that oj has no obligation to volunteer any information about his finances and if he chooses ,should use every method at his disposal, Florida Law, to prevent fred from getting to his stash.

Fred has played the sympathy game to the hilt and he has some followers or maby many followers. Not all because there are many that dissagree with his game. But hopefully he will be able to get enough support from people willing to give him the money for his new book and he will have the oj judgement paid off.
martinii

[martin II]

tv
if you doubt that fred has changed his story. www.denisebrown.com has all of his previous comments on the book and a few other comments from people.
martinii

[tv]

tv
if you doubt that fred has changed his story. www.denisebrown.com has all of his previous comments on the book and a few other comments from people.
martiniimartin, now you're calling Fred Goldman a liar? People CHANGE THEIR MINDS. They do it all the time. I don't have to read Denise Brown's website to know he orginally said the book shouldn't be published. He obviously thought it over, received advice from his lawyers and changed his mind.

[martin II]

martin, now you're calling Fred Goldman a liar? People CHANGE THEIR MINDS. They do it all the time. I don't have to read Denise Brown's website to know he orginally said the book shouldn't be published. He obviously thought it over, received advice from his lawyers and changed his mind.

ok
but what i am saying is that he has said that it was not about the money when his actions prove that it is about the money.At least when i see him selling the book about his sons death for personal profit it looks to me that it is. I bet those many law firms may have helped him to change his mind.

Fred organized the protest against HC. When they cancelled the book. he then immediately demanded that they give the rights to him. so the time frame of his actions indicated to me that he wanted the rights from the moment the book was announced.

when HC offered both famalies some money to stop the protest Denise went on tv and rejected the offer. There was no public rejection of the same offer by fred that i read of.
imo
martin II

[tv]

ok
but what i am saying is that he has said that it was not about the money when his actions prove that it is about the money.At least when i see him selling the book about his sons death for personal profit it looks to me that it is. I bet those many law firms may have helped him to change his mind.

Fred organised the protest against HC. When they cancelled the book. he then immediately demanded that they give the rights to him. so the time frame of his actions indicated to me that he wanted the rights from the moment the book was announced.

when HC offered both famalies some money to stop the protest Denise went on tv and rejected the offer. There was no public rejection of the same offer by fred that i read of.
imo
martin IImartin, you're never going to be convinced that it isn't about the money. He is marketing the book to make OJ Simpson suffer for killing his son. If you want to continue to think that Fred Goldman is a "greedy pig" as OJ Simpson's lawyer put it, that's fine with me.

[martin II]

martin, you're never going to be convinced that it isn't about the money. He is marketing the book to make OJ Simpson suffer for killing his son. If you want to continue to think that Fred Goldman is a "greedy pig" as OJ Simpson's lawyer put it, that's fine with me.

tv
i think Denise called fred something close to that also.and some of the comments about him on her blog have the same intensity. Oj has his $1,000,000 and seems to have gone on to the next project.he does not seem to be suffering to me. At least when i saw him on the 4 day interview he seemed to be quite at easy and relaxed. Fred has not gotten to what i believe to be his main stash so i guess he has nothing to worry about for now.
But he does need to imporve on his golf swing.gees.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

martin, you're never going to be convinced that it isn't about the money. He is marketing the book to make OJ Simpson suffer for killing his son. If you want to continue to think that Fred Goldman is a "greedy pig" as OJ Simpson's lawyer put it, that's fine with me.

if fred receives some money and then gives all of it to the red cross or some local cancer hospital then i will apologize to him for all of my comments and say he is a stand up guy. until them i will look at what he is doing and that is making money off of the death of his son in front of the world no less.
imo
martinii

[socaldiva]

martin, now you're calling Fred Goldman a liar? People CHANGE THEIR MINDS. They do it all the time. I don't have to read Denise Brown's website to know he orginally said the book shouldn't be published. He obviously thought it over, received advice from his lawyers and changed his mind.

Exactly! Fred changed his mind. Just like Martin seems to have changed his mind (for now anyway) on Denise Brown. ;)

[socaldiva]

if fred receives some money and then gives all of it to the red cross or some local cancer hospital then i will apologize to him for all of my comments and say he is a stand up guy. until them i will look at what he is doing and that is making money off of the death of his son in front of the world no less.
imo
martinii

I sincerely doubt that Mr Goldman is concerned with what you think of him or his motives.

btw: How much money has Orenthal given to the Red Cross or the local cancer hospital? Last I heard, he spent the book advance on himself. Why the double standard Martin?

[weezer]

I sincerely doubt that Mr Goldman is concerned with what you think of him or his motives.

btw: How much money has Orenthal given to the Red Cross or the local cancer hospital? Last I heard, he spent the book advance on himself. Why the double standard Martin?

You are so right diva. orenthal and/or arnelle weren't planning on giving any of that money to charity -- and I don't understand why anyone would think Mr. Goldman should. The Goldmans and the Estate won a judgment against orenthal for murdering their children and are collecting on it -- good for them. imo