Predictions, Necklace, Songs , GA Murders, Ret Account. email & Other Ideas

[Babes]

How did Tara get a hold of MH's emails?
How did she get a hold of the email's password when MH doesnt even want to be with her?
When did she check his emails?
Where did she check his emails?
Was the emails only forwarded to her email? Then who forwarded it?

Thanks for the answers if you have any..

[concernedperson]

Maybe he is one of those people who use the same passcode and user name over and over. She would know who the provider is as I am sure she got emails from him at one time or another.

I check my emails from other computers all the time.

[Bnutty]

MH gave Tara his email password a long time ago when he had only been in the military for a little while. If I remember correctly, he gave her his password so that she could sort thru the junk mail since he wasn't able to check his email very often. At that time if the email account was too full, he could no longer receive emails. However when the two of them broke up he never changed his password.

[concernedperson]

Goes along with what I posted. Thanks.

[Moms4Justice]

I'm lost........where did the email subject come up?
Where is this info? From LE or family & friends?

[Babes]

Originally posted by Bnutty
MH gave Tara his email password a long time ago when he had only been in the military for a little while. If I remember correctly, he gave her his password so that she could sort thru the junk mail since he wasn't able to check his email very often. At that time if the email account was too full, he could no longer receive emails. However when the two of them broke up he never changed his password.

Thanks

If this is true then Tara could witness some emails that she's not really supposed to read....

[HonestInjun]

Does anyone have information regarding Tara's ebay account, i.e. whether she shared the account with anyone, whether it had any activity since October, 2005, etc.? And if she did share it, with whom?

[BroadwayJoe]

I was curious about your post. I've checked several profiles on ebay and I have a question. I believe Tara was born in Nov. Do you remember what day and year??

Originally posted by HonestInjun
Does anyone have information regarding Tara's ebay account, i.e. whether she shared the account with anyone, whether it had any activity since October, 2005, etc.? And if she did share it, with whom?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
I was curious about your post. I've checked several profiles on ebay and I have a question. I believe Tara was born in Nov. Do you remember what day and year??



I think her birthday is November 14th, but I will check this and come back and correct it if I am off a day or two. I think this is correct though. Did you learn anything? Just curious.

[BroadwayJoe]

I'd rather not discuss yet!! Still checking.


Originally posted by HonestInjun


I think her birthday is November 14th, but I will check this and come back and correct it if I am off a day or two. I think this is correct though. Did you learn anything? Just curious.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
I'd rather not discuss yet!! Still checking.




It's rare for an ebay account to list the DOB for a user, so that's why I asked. They could list it in the "about me" portion, but I just wondered why they would. No offense, Joe, just wondering if this might hold a clue.

[BroadwayJoe]

Do you know long Tara has been an ebay member?

That would help me narrow something down.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
Do you know long Tara has been an ebay member?

That would help me narrow something down.

At least 4 or 5 years. That's my best guess, and I think that's pretty close. Does that help?

[BroadwayJoe]

Yup!! Thanks man!

[BroadwayJoe]

Hey, catch up with you tomorrow, man!

Need to hit the old sack-a-roo!!! Got a rough day tomorrow. Gonna tee off at ten so must be alert!!

[TuscanDreams]

Dang, I have to go back to work today and can't wait to read your follow up on this!

Are you thinking that maybe she bought or sold something on the bay that started a friendship that ended badly? As in, she purchased something from a seller that led to the friendship?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
Dang, I have to go back to work today and can't wait to read your follow up on this!

Are you thinking that maybe she bought or sold something on the bay that started a friendship that ended badly? As in, she purchased something from a seller that led to the friendship?

At this point I suppose anything is possible. I was hoping to get more information on the ebay account, just to check it out and see if anything could be learned from it. It may not be important at all.

[luvmy2labpups]

FW I think this needs a thread of its own. Some have posted on another thread that Tara took money out of her retirement account before she disappeared. Can anybody clarify when this was done, how much was taken out and was this money ever accounted for?

[fsbiii]

I've heard it was a withdrawal of under $10,000 and it wasn't long before 10/22/05, but I can't verify that. Someone closer to the facts would have to substantiate this information, and we know that won't happen (if it's true).

I see no reason Tara would want/need/have to borrow against any retirement money based on her apparent standard of living, income, and lifestyle. Then again, perception is often misperception.

If this is true, Tara must've had a separate retirement account from the basic one most teachers have by design (TRS). Teachers Retirement System of Georgia has a rule:

"While you are employed in a TRS covered position, as stated in Georgia law, you cannot make withdrawals or borrow funds from your account. If you terminate your TRS covered employment you may apply for a refund of contributions and interest. However, you are not eligible for a refund after you accept other TRS covered employment."

http://www.trsga.com/shared/subPage.asp?source=edu&targetAudience=1&Section=54

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I've heard it was a withdrawal of under $10,000 and it wasn't long before 10/22/05, but I can't verify that. Someone closer to the facts would have to substantiate this information, and we know that won't happen (if it's true).


You've "heard" ? If you "heard" this somewhere, you should be able to ascertain truth or validity to it by going directly back to your source. Unless, of course, you conveniently don't remember where you "heard" it from. If you can't go back to your "source" and get the facts, then it's nothing more than rumor.

If you are able to get the facts, and she did indeed withdraw funds, the individual supplying this informaton to you appears to have broken several confidentiality and/or privacy laws.

Just for the reasons stated above, IMO, we'll never know if it was true or not. As usual.

[fsbiii]

From the sting of your post and the usual veiled legal threats with no basis, I assume the information is probably accurate.

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


You've "heard" ? If you "heard" this somewhere, you should be able to ascertain truth or validity to it by going directly back to your source. Unless, of course, you conveniently don't remember where you "heard" it from. If you can't go back to your "source" and get the facts, then it's nothing more than rumor.

If you are able to get the facts, and she did indeed withdraw funds, the individual supplying this informaton to you appears to have broken several confidentiality and/or privacy laws.

Just for the reasons stated above, IMO, we'll never know if it was true or not. As usual.

[PNut]

Originally posted by fsbiii
From the sting of your post and the usual veiled legal threats with no basis, I assume the information is probably accurate.




:lol:

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
From the sting of your post and the usual veiled legal threats with no basis, I assume the information is probably accurate.


I have no idea if it's accurate or not. You are the one who posted the information. So you tell me, is it accurate info, or just hearsay?

[PNut]

Originally posted by readmylips


that looks like a good assessment to me.

With this group, it's always easy to see when you're too close to the truth. ;)

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by PNut



:lol:
I agree PNut. Fsbiii not revealing his "source" is hilarious.

[crytheblues]

Another tactic, right??

Due to the Financial Privacy Act, I really doubt you or anyone else would be given this type of information.

Good try, though!! Keep up the good investigative skills you have acquired. You could subsidize your day job or are you retired?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Another tactic, right??

Due to the Financial Privacy Act, I really doubt you or anyone else would be given this type of information.

Good try, though!! Keep up the good investigative skills you have acquired. You could subsidize your day job or are you retired?
With all due respect, Crytheblues, my day job is quite rewarding.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by readmylips


ask her sister. you have a direct connection to her dont you?

while you are asking her ask her if anyone ever figured out why she withdrew money and maybe the speculation wont get too out of hand. there may be a very reasonable explanation.

So then you are fsbiii's source then? I deduct this from the fact that you weren't in this conversation before now. If you are the source, where did the info come from? I don't have direct connections to the sister. Sorry to disappoint you.

Let's see some proof or a link, then we can discuss this retirement topic. Without that, we're wasting time (again) discussing something that is rumor.

[crytheblues]

Sorry, BJ, my post was directed to Fsbiii.

BTW, if you feel this info is true, then you have knowledge of how the $10,000 was spent, right?

Where exactly did the money go, any hot trails?


Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

With all due respect, Crytheblues, my day job is quite rewarding.

[PNut]

Shoot BJ, if we only discussed cold hard FACTS - there'd be NO discussion. EVERY thing in this case is PURE speculation.

Why does a speculating discussion THIS topic seem to be so upsetting?

[luvmy2labpups]

BACK ON TOPIC! Thanks FSB, under 10,000.00 is no small amount to take out. Enough to pay a rent in cash for a year and then some right? Now if only we knew if this was a fact and if any of her paycheck was not being deposited, or if there were any other money that was taken out before her disappearance. I am sure if the GBI hasn't checked this out they will be.

[crytheblues]

Why in the world would this be upsetting, Bevie Ann, if indeed it is true and somehow could lead someone to Tara???

Is it really true or fiction??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Did Tara make a withdrawal or not? Is she on an extended cruise in the Virgin Islands?? Could she have possibly borrowed from her retirement to make a loan to a close friend??

Does anyone know anything about where this money has gone, if indeed, it was taken from her retirement??


Originally posted by PNut
Shoot BJ, if we only discussed cold hard FACTS - there'd be NO discussion. EVERY thing in this case is PURE speculation.

Why does a speculating discussion THIS topic seem to be so upsetting?

[PNut]

Luv - I'd guess, money trails were one of the FIRST things they checked out in Tara's case. Usually are. And maybe why some have said GBI thinks she's alive and well.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
BACK ON TOPIC! Thanks FSB, under 10,000.00 is no small amount to take out. Enough to pay a rent in cash for a year and then some right? Now if only we knew if this was a fact and if any of her paycheck was not being deposited, or if there were any other money that was taken out before her disappearance. I am sure if the GBI hasn't checked this out they will be.
Quite the contrary, labpups. I want to know if it's true. If it is, this case could take an amazing turn. Don't you agree??? Why wouldn't YOU, the "LINK QUEEN" want to know FOR SURE if it's true before warranting further discussion?

I think it's well within reason to ask for PROOF on something this serious. Wouldn't you agree? If not, I'd wonder WHY you wouldn't agree.
:shrug:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by PNut
Luv - I'd guess, money trails were one of the FIRST things they checked out in Tara's case. Usually are. And maybe why some have said GBI thinks she's alive and well. Could also be why they still have her as a MISSING person and say there is NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY. HMMMMMMMM

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by PNut
Luv - I'd guess, money trails were one of the FIRST things they checked out in Tara's case. Usually are. And maybe why some have said GBI thinks she's alive and well.
I don't think anyone but labpups thinks she's alive and well. And she's willing to latch on to questionable information and "sources" to make it fit.

Sad, very sad.

Meantime, Tara is still missing, right?

[PNut]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Why in the world would this be upsetting, Bevie Ann, if indeed it is true and somehow could lead someone to Tara???
*snip*


I'm sorry, who??:confused:

[crytheblues]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
I am sure if the GBI hasn't checked this out they will be.


Good deduction there, luvvy. Let's hope they have indeed checked this out!!!

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Quite the contrary, labpups. I want to know if it's true. If it is, this case could take an amazing turn. Don't you agree??? Why wouldn't YOU, the "LINK QUEEN" want to know FOR SURE if it's true before warranting further discussion?

I think it's well within reason to ask for PROOF on something this serious. Wouldn't you agree? If not, I'd wonder WHY you wouldn't agree.
:shrug: I do believe the purpose of this thread is to get verification. If you don't wish to be a part of the attempt, you don't have to. I will continue along with this discussion as it seems to have brought out NEW information (atleast new to me) that is well worth exploring.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

I don't think anyone but labpups thinks she's alive and well. And she's willing to latch on to questionable information and "sources" to make it fit.

Sad, very sad.

Meantime, Tara is still missing, right? Quite the contrary, there are MANY who think she is alive and well and if this info is true, I believe many more will be thinking the same thing. If true, I wonder why this information has been withheld.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by OliverTwist

They have.
:D

HMMMMM.....AND?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Quite the contrary, there are MANY who think she is alive and well and if this info is true, I believe many more will be thinking the same thing. If true, I wonder why this information has been withheld.
But the fact remains, if fsbiii cannot back up what he "heard" with a credible source and/or a valid link to information, we must discount it as rumor.

Correct?

[cbcrime]

If Tara did remove money from her retirement. I sure GBI will have followed the money trail. Could she have used this money for tuition? I have no idea what the costs were at the school she was taking classes from.

Why in the world would this not be a topic for discussion? Everything is speculation because there are very few facts that have been released.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

But the fact remains, if fsbiii cannot back up what he "heard" with a credible source and/or a valid link to information, we must discount it as rumor.

Correct? Not quite. The purpose of this thread is to discuss and bring forth anybody who may know of this so we can VERIFY it. One poster just posted that the GBI knows about this and has indeed checked into it, so there must be some validity if the GBI has or is looking into it RIGHT?

[PNut]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

But the fact remains, if fsbiii cannot back up what he "heard" with a credible source and/or a valid link to information, we must discount it as rumor.

Correct?


I agree with ya Joe, it would be nothing more than rumor. Do you not agree that 99% of the discussion on ANY board regarding Tara is 99% speculation/rumor?

The only LINKS that can be provided are of interviews/news items that involve her family or such - and even THEN what they have said is not to be taken at 100% truth/proof, no?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by cbcrime
If Tara did remove money from her retirement. I sure GBI will have followed the money trail. Could she have used this money for tuition? I have no idea what the costs were at the school she was taking classes from.

Why in the world would this not be a topic for discussion? Everything is speculation because there are very few facts that have been released.
CB, I would LOVE for this to be a topic for discussion. Like I said, if this is accurate, it could change this case in many ways. HOWEVER, don't you think we need EVIDENCE THAT IT'S TRUE FIRST? After all, most all the other "regular" posters demand this at all times. It's simple enough for fsbiii to either provide a link or provide info regarding his source. I don't think that's too much to ask.

But I do agree with you, in that IF this is accurate info, she COULD have used it for any number of reasons, i.e. to pay school tuition (not cheap last time I checked), to pay off a debt like a furniture loan or a credit card, or some other purpose. Don't you agree that we need absolute FACTS before this goes further?

Regardless of what you believe, I would love to think Tara is alive and well somewhere.

[crytheblues]

Yes, CB, good topic for discussion.

Could she have also used this money to pay off credit cards, tuition, etc. What about a down payment on a new car?? Fsbii said he heard under $10,000. Does anyone know the exact amount??


Originally posted by cbcrime
If Tara did remove money from her retirement. I sure GBI will have followed the money trail. Could she have used this money for tuition? I have no idea what the costs were at the school she was taking classes from.

Why in the world would this not be a topic for discussion? Everything is speculation because there are very few facts that have been released.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by OliverTwist

They have.
:D

AND????????????

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by PNut



I agree with ya Joe, it would be nothing more than rumor. Do you not agree that 99% of the discussion on ANY board regarding Tara is 99% speculation/rumor?

The only LINKS that can be provided are of interviews/news items that involve her family or such - and even THEN what they have said is not to be taken at 100% truth/proof, no?
Sorry. I disagree. I discuss facts. I have better things to do with my time than banter back and forth about rumors on a message board. I'm here to discuss facts.

Sorry if you find that so hard to grasp.

[PNut]

:lol: I'm sorry readmylips, but I read that last line - she could ask the family - with a perfect Godfather/Brando voice!! :D Just kinda tickled my fancy!

Carry on.....:tongue:

[PNut]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Sorry. I disagree. I discuss facts. I have better things to do with my time than banter back and forth about rumors on a message board. I'm here to discuss facts.

Sorry if you find that so hard to grasp.


WHAT FACTS?!?!? :shrug:

[luvmy2labpups]

Was she receiving grants for school? Pageant wins provide any money?


Why not use her income from work to pay credit cards and car? If she used a retirement account for those things then what did she do with her income from teaching?

[cbcrime]

Of course it would be nice to have some form of verification. But like just about everything else on this case - I don't think it will happen. What I am saying - okay if it is true - what are the implications:

I see - 1) she took it out and used it for some ordinary every day purpose
2) she took it out and used it to start over somewhere

Personally my opinion is that she was is no longer alive. I will say - taking money out - really hit me - for the first time - I could see her leaving - if the money is not accounted for. So a discussion on the possibilities would be nice.

[concernedperson]

If this retirement account was touched for under 10,000 I would imagine it was for everyday expense or maybe she was contemplating buying a home. Under 10,000 doesn' t go too far after 9 months.

Her vehicle, clothing, household items and the rest of her banking accounts were left. Not a well thought out plan and unlikely IMO that she left to start over without everything she owned.Just doesn't fit.

[BFD - v2.0]

I have heard this from three separate sources, but unable to confirm or deny it one way or the other.

The interesting aspect is that there are some other pieces of the puzzle that would tend to corroborate at least the idea of it happening.

One aspect (version) is that Tara was looking to purchase a horse. Another source (independently) stated that Tara had indeed circled an ad for a horse that was for sale. I have been unable to verify if that is true or not. Or whether she ever followed up on looking at the horse or made arrangements as to where she would keep this horse.

Another aspect (version) was that Tara allegedly withdrew this money to pay down her credit card bills. No corroboration at all.

And still another aspect (version) was that Tara used the money to pay off her car not long before she disappeared. Again, no corroboration at all.

And yet another aspect is that Tara had a substantial amount of money in her savings account (uncorroborated), but was less than the amount she allegedly withdrew from her retirement account.

Now, all of this could be absolute hogwash due to the fact it will be next to impossible for any of us not connected to law enforcement to be able to verfiy.

Or, it could be factual in nature.

I tend to think there is at least some truth to the story. How much, I don't have the slightest idea.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by concernedperson
If this retirement account was touched for under 10,000 I would imagine it was for everyday expense or maybe she was contemplating buying a home. Under 10,000 doesn' t go too far after 9 months.

Her vehicle, clothing, household items and the rest of her banking accounts were left. Not a well thought out plan and unlikely IMO that she left to start over without everything she owned.Just doesn't fit. It sure does fit, what everyday things are worth taking a penalty off of a retirement account for? Why not get a loan from a bank unless you don't want funds traced right? Quick way to take out cash huh? IIRC I was told she was receiving grants for her schooling and may have won some money in pageants, had a decent salary, low rent, small car payment. IMO that does not speak of a person in desperate need of funding to want to take out money that required a penalty.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


So then you are fsbiii's source then? I deduct this from the fact that you weren't in this conversation before now. If you are the source, where did the info come from? I don't have direct connections to the sister. Sorry to disappoint you.

Let's see some proof or a link, then we can discuss this retirement topic. Without that, we're wasting time (again) discussing something that is rumor.

You can choose not to discuss it. It's really quite simple... just click onto another thread.

At least this particular topic isn't disparaging anyone. Though I see there has been an attempt to disparage posters if the topic isn't liked.

I don't believe anyone is forcing you to read or respond to this thread. If you continue to choose to respond, then it obviously affects you in some manner and is obviously worthy of discussion; if nothing else but for your attempt to say it isn't so.

Life is about choices.

[crytheblues]

If a withdrawal was made, I feel GBI has been on top of the situation and knows exactly what happened to the money, if used, where, and if not used, where the balance is at this moment. No real earth-shattering news here IMO and JMOHO.

[cbcrime]

BFD - I believe you are correct unless you are LE you are not going to be able to get corroboration. Interesting - it would make sense that she paid off her vehicle. That would bring down her everyday expenses. If she was going to buy a horse - then I would think the money had been transferred into her checking or savings account.

I wonder how long before she disappeared she had withdrawn the money. If she was really going to buy a horse - doesn't seem like she was planning to leave.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by cbcrime
BFD - I believe you are correct unless you are LE you are not going to be able to get corroboration. Interesting - it would make sense that she paid off her vehicle. That would bring down her everyday expenses. If she was going to buy a horse - then I would think the money had been transferred into her checking or savings account.

I wonder how long before she disappeared she had withdrawn the money. If she was really going to buy a horse - doesn't seem like she was planning to leave.

Ummm... that's sort of the point though.

She allegedly told different versions to different people about what the money was going to be used for.

[cbcrime]

Interesting. Especially the different stories on what the money was for. If she took out less than 10,000 - and there was only 4,000 in the savings - is any money missing? Or was it already used? Leaves a lot of questions.

[fsbiii]

I would like to commend BFD for making sense of the topic, as usual.

I also think it is worth noting that if Tara planned on vanishing and leaving the teaching profession behind, it would make sense to get the money out of her retirement account (even a reduced amount, penalty applied, etc.) if she wasn't going to be around to get it after 30 years of teaching.

The harsh debate over the veracity of this speculative issue tells me something is fishy. Why be so testy unless you don't want it discussed, even in a speculative context?

I still no sensible reason to take money out of one's retirement account to pay down bills, pay off a used car, or buy a horse....when you are single, rent a home, make very good money, and have financial awards thru the pageantry to pay for grad school.

IMO.

[cbcrime]

I agree I don't understand why it shouldn't be discussed. And the fact that there is such a hoopla about it makes me wonder.

Not everyone handles money the same way. Some people won't touch their retirement - others will take it out for various reasons. I don't know how Tara regarded her retirement. If she took it out - there was a reason. Wonder what it was?

[concernedperson]

She was thirty years old. Retirement doesn't loom that great at 30. But, your stuff does. The few years for the accumulation and the costs of everything would make it hard for a young person to let go. JMO.

Also, I have seen this with my own adult children. My son just bought a great new sofa and he is protecting it at all costs. But, that is because he always had a hand me down and he is having to pay.

If Tara was poor with no options but the arm of some man I could see her escaping all the drama. But, she wasn't. From all indications she was a beloved teacher and felt the same about her students.

If someone has info to the contrary please post.

[mooloo]

Depending on the field, there are times that HOPE pays for tuition for advanced degrees, I believe. I may be wrong on that, but I think it is a possibility, or was when HOPE was first started.

Now, before anyone asks for a link---no, I don't have one and no, I am not looking for one.



Originally posted by cbcrime
If Tara did remove money from her retirement. I sure GBI will have followed the money trail. Could she have used this money for tuition? I have no idea what the costs were at the school she was taking classes from.

Why in the world would this not be a topic for discussion? Everything is speculation because there are very few facts that have been released.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by concernedperson
She was thirty years old. Retirement doesn't loom that great at 30. But, your stuff does. The few years for the accumulation and the costs of everything would make it hard for a young person to let go. JMO.

Also, I have seen this with my own adult children. My son just bought a great new sofa and he is protecting it at all costs. But, that is because he always had a hand me down and he is having to pay.

If Tara was poor with no options but the arm of some man I could see her escaping all the drama. But, she wasn't. From all indications she was a beloved teacher and felt the same about her students.

If someone has info to the contrary please post.

I think every person is different in regards to the importance of material things.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Not quite. The purpose of this thread is to discuss and bring forth anybody who may know of this so we can VERIFY it. One poster just posted that the GBI knows about this and has indeed checked into it, so there must be some validity if the GBI has or is looking into it RIGHT? Okay, I'm reading back, and I see the post you are talking about. However, I must ask, I really must... Since WHEN do you put any credibility whatsoever into a FIRST POST by a NEW POSTER???? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to the bank with this one yet. JMHO.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by cbcrime
BFD - I believe you are correct unless you are LE you are not going to be able to get corroboration. Interesting - it would make sense that she paid off her vehicle. That would bring down her everyday expenses. If she was going to buy a horse - then I would think the money had been transferred into her checking or savings account.

I wonder how long before she disappeared she had withdrawn the money. If she was really going to buy a horse - doesn't seem like she was planning to leave. Maybe she left on the horse. Galloped off into the sunset, you know, like a cheap TV movie or something.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I think every person is different in regards to the importance of material things. Your son worships a sofa? Enlighten us, please.

No offense, but can you explain the significance of this, other than someone putting material things above all else? From what I have read and heard about Tara, she wasn't like that at all. Didn't she do more for others than she did for herself? Don't attack...just asking.

[BroadwayJoe]

Sorry, my mistake. I see it is concernedperson's son, and not BFD's, that worships the sofa. Let me re-direct that question to concerned person instead.

I'm not trying to belittle, I just want to understand the sofa issue.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
Sorry, my mistake. I see it is concernedperson's son, and not BFD's, that worships the sofa. Let me re-direct that question to concerned person instead.

I'm not trying to belittle, I just want to understand the sofa issue.

It isn't hard. If you finally get a chance to own something new. No, he doesn't worship his sofa he is glad to have one. I am just trying to interject how young people think.Actually, I have a hard time posting at all.The cruelty is everpresent. Does anyone have experience with loss or potential loss?

[mooloo]

cp, I understand your son't pride in having purchased his own new furniture after having hand-me-downs for a long time. I've been in the same situation. It is the pride of ownership and the pride of being able to do something by yourself, without mom and/or dad helping you. Sort of like a rite of passage to adulthood.

Originally posted by concernedperson


It isn't hard. If you finally get a chance to own something new. No, he doesn't worship his sofa he is glad to have one. I am just trying to interject how young people think.Actually, I have a hard time posting at all.The cruelty is everpresent. Does anyone have experience with loss or potential loss?

[cbcrime]

Boredway Joe - too bad you can't contribute to the discussion rather than attacking other posters. Oh sorry fruedian slip I meant Broadway Joe

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Boredway Joe - too bad you can't contribute to the discussion rather than attacking other posters. Oh sorry fruedian slip I meant Broadway Joe I don't recall attacking other posters CBCrime. But are you sure that was an honest error in my name or are you just being sarcastic? IMO, if something is stated as fact and presented for discussion, then we need to have evidence that it is fact. Don't get me wrong, I WANT THIS TO BE FACT. I REALLY DO. But why can't the poster who presented it as "he heard" it somewhere, at least substantiate it? CTV rules at a minimum require that don't they?

:shrug:

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by concernedperson


It isn't hard. If you finally get a chance to own something new. No, he doesn't worship his sofa he is glad to have one. I am just trying to interject how young people think.Actually, I have a hard time posting at all.The cruelty is everpresent. Does anyone have experience with loss or potential loss? You need not explain "loss" to me Concernedperson. Believe me, I know all about loss. What I don't understand is your reference to the sofa vs. this issue. It appears that you are attempting to direct the conversation around the fact that fsbiii is unable to substantiate his "I heard somewhere" claim.

ONCE AGAIN, I HOPE IT IS TRUE.

READ MY LIPS--------> I HOPE IT IS TRUE.

I just need to know if we need to waste precious time on this or not. Tara is out there somewhere, is she not???

[fsbiii]

Broadway-

What part of my first post on this topic isn't clear to you?

I've heard it was a withdrawal of under $10,000 and it wasn't long before 10/22/05, but I can't verify that. Someone closer to the facts would have to substantiate this information, and we know that won't happen (if it's true).

The baiting game is so played out by now. No one's fishing anymore. I don't owe you any "substantiation" whatsoever. IMO, it's true and has everything to do with the topic at hand. Deal with it or ignore it or cloak up a new name and harass us some more.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
You need not explain "loss" to me Concernedperson. Believe me, I know all about loss. What I don't understand is your reference to the sofa vs. this issue. It appears that you are attempting to direct the conversation around the fact that fsbiii is unable to substantiate his "I heard somewhere" claim.

ONCE AGAIN, I HOPE IT IS TRUE.

READ MY LIPS--------> I HOPE IT IS TRUE.

I just need to know if we need to waste precious time on this or not. Tara is out there somewhere, is she not???
It was an innocent reply. I have no agenda.Please don't attack me for my posting.I have no clue about where fsbiii is getting his info and will not further a post that isn't substantiated.I will speculate but I can't substantiate. I am a regular poster with no association with anyone in s.georgia.

[Elle_Woods]

I think concerned person is just saying that sometimes when you are young there are more immediate expenses and belongings that may make you feel like you need to take care of them sooner, as opposed to what you may need years from now while in retirement and that maybe Tara would not have thought it was a big deal to borrow from her retirement funds.

Also, just as a sidenote, many banks are no longer extending personal loans (especially unsecured personal loans) due to their losses they've incurred when people haven't paid them back and are now only offering credit in the form of a bank-issued credit card.

[crytheblues]

Your post is interesting to me, CB.

How do you know only $4,000 was left in Tara's savings? Did someone post that info on the board?? I can't recall seeing that amount in any post.





[QUOTE]Originally posted by cbcrime
Interesting. Especially the different stories on what the money was for. If she took out less than 10,000 - and there was only 4,000 in the savings - is any money missing? Or was it already used? Leaves a lot of questions. [/QUOTE:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Your post is interesting to me, CB.

How do you know only $4,000 was left in Tara's savings? Did someone post that info on the board?? I can't recall seeing that amount in any post.





[QUOTE]Originally posted by cbcrime
Interesting. Especially the different stories on what the money was for. If she took out less than 10,000 - and there was only 4,000 in the savings - is any money missing? Or was it already used? Leaves a lot of questions. [/QUOTE:

Someone posted it on here, I forget which thread. I think it was a guess but I don't remember. It may be on this thread.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Broadway-

What part of my first post on this topic isn't clear to you?

I've heard it was a withdrawal of under $10,000 and it wasn't long before 10/22/05, but I can't verify that. Someone closer to the facts would have to substantiate this information, and we know that won't happen (if it's true).

The baiting game is so played out by now. No one's fishing anymore. I don't owe you any "substantiation" whatsoever. IMO, it's true and has everything to do with the topic at hand. Deal with it or ignore it or cloak up a new name and harass us some more. Just keep swimmin, just keep swimmin. LOL No worries FSB most knew what you meant.

[fsbiii]

The $4000 info was posted on Wednesday night in the thread "Did Tara Just Walk Away..."

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups


Someone posted it on here, I forget which thread. I think it was a guess but I don't remember. It may be on this thread.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Your post is interesting to me, CB.

How do you know only $4,000 was left in Tara's savings? Did someone post that info on the board?? I can't recall seeing that amount in any post.





[QUOTE]Originally posted by cbcrime
Interesting. Especially the different stories on what the money was for. If she took out less than 10,000 - and there was only 4,000 in the savings - is any money missing? Or was it already used? Leaves a lot of questions. [/QUOTE:

I stated I was told she left with $4k in her savings account. I was told that by someone close to the case and someone I don't necessarily see eye-to-eye with.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Interesting. Especially the different stories on what the money was for. If she took out less than 10,000 - and there was only 4,000 in the savings - is any money missing? Or was it already used? Leaves a lot of questions.

Unless LE publically offered that info, which I highly doubt, how can anyone know/be privy to such personal and confidential info about Tara; her savings accounts, 401K activity, bank withdrawals, and overall condition of her finances?

[fsbiii]

People who do know those things talk. For some, it's attention or grandstanding. But for others, they might be seeking others' input and advice on an issue. JMO.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Unless LE publically offered that info, which I highly doubt, how can anyone know/be privy to such personal and confidential info about Tara; her savings accounts, 401K activity, bank withdrawals, and overall condition of her finances?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Unless LE publically offered that info, which I highly doubt, how can anyone know/be privy to such personal and confidential info about Tara; her savings accounts, 401K activity, bank withdrawals, and overall condition of her finances?

Because Tara obviously told people about it due to the fact she gave different reasons for the withdrawal to different people.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fsbiii
People who do know those things talk. For some, it's attention or grandstanding. But for others, they might be seeking others' input and advice on an issue. JMO.



Was Tara in the habit of sharing such personal and confidential info with people?

I don't know anyone who shares that kind of info, not even with family members. I've never asked my son, my mother or my sister how much money they have in the bank, or in their retirement plans. Neither have they asked me how much I have, and I am extremely close with my family.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Because Tara obviously told people about it due to the fact she gave different reasons for the withdrawal to different people.

The only person who knows what personal and confidential info Tara shared, if indeed she shared any, is Tara herself.

[fsbiii]

And the person(s) she told, right?

:confused:

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The only person who knows what personal and confidential info Tara shared, if indeed she shared any, is Tara herself.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fsbiii
And the person(s) she told, right?

:confused:



We have only that person's word for it. Tara cannot confirm or verify that she shared that info with the person/s claiming it.

[fsbiii]

I gotcha.

Originally posted by Hey Paula

We have only that person's word for it. Tara cannot confirm or verify that she shared that info with the person claiming it.

[BroadwayJoe]

fsbiii
Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location:
Posts: 431
The $4000 info was posted on Wednesday night in the thread "Did Tara Just Walk Away..."



quote:
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Originally posted by luvmy2labpups


Someone posted it on here, I forget which thread. I think it was a guess but I don't remember. It may be on this thread.
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[B]There's no post like that, so may we assume this was made up information?

One poster swears it was from a "source"; another says "Tara said it" to someone; another says "it's posted somewhere but I don't remember where"; and yet another says which thread, but it's not there. One of 2 things has happened here. Either someone DOES have reliable information and got it illegally; or someone just made it up. Obviously, if someone obtained this information illegally, they would not come forward; and likewise, if it was "made up" I doubt anyone would come forward either. It's funny how this info just "appears" out of nowhere, with no substantiated proof whatsoever. I am certain GBI wouldn't release this sort of information, so, hypothetically, if it IS accurate, and someone has it, they obtained it illegally. Since several of you seem so adamant about hiding the "source" of the info, I'm going to assume the worst at this time and make decisions accordingly.
:no:

[fsbiii]

THE POST IS THERE. Here's the direct quote:

" I have no way of knowing, but I think Anita is paying Tara's bills out of her own pockets. (And for what it's worth, Tara didn't really have any bills to speak of that we know of. Her car was paid off, she has no mortgage, maybe some student loans... I don't think it would be a whole lot. And for what it's worth, I've also heard that Tara had approximately $4k in her savings account when she left. But it is also my understanding that Tara had taken a sizable chunk out of her retirement account before she went missing.)"

You can assume and make legal threats til the cows come home.

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
fsbiii
Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location:
Posts: 431
The $4000 info was posted on Wednesday night in the thread "Did Tara Just Walk Away..."



quote:
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Originally posted by luvmy2labpups


Someone posted it on here, I forget which thread. I think it was a guess but I don't remember. It may be on this thread.
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[B]There's no post like that, so may we assume this was made up information?

One poster swears it was from a "source"; another says "Tara said it" to someone; another says "it's posted somewhere but I don't remember where"; and yet another says which thread, but it's not there. One of 2 things has happened here. Either someone DOES have reliable information and got it illegally; or someone just made it up. Obviously, if someone obtained this information illegally, they would not come forward; and likewise, if it was "made up" I doubt anyone would come forward either. It's funny how this info just "appears" out of nowhere, with no substantiated proof whatsoever. I am certain GBI wouldn't release this sort of information, so, hypothetically, if it IS accurate, and someone has it, they obtained it illegally. Since several of you seem so adamant about hiding the "source" of the info, I'm going to assume the worst at this time and make decisions accordingly.
:no:

[fsbiii]

Deflect.
Distract.
Harass.

The topic is TARA'S accounts. Why can't we stay on topic?

Originally posted by OliverTwist
I think whoever the source is should look at a couple of other accounts while they are in there. Namely MH's and ML's. Might see some pretty interesting transactions IMO.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Here's the direct quote:

" I have no way of knowing, but I think Anita is paying Tara's bills out of her own pockets. (And for what it's worth, Tara didn't really have any bills to speak of that we know of. Her car was paid off, she has no mortgage, maybe some student loans... I don't think it would be a whole lot. And for what it's worth, I've also heard that Tara had approximately $4k in her savings account when she left. But it is also my understanding that Tara had taken a sizable chunk out of her retirement account before she went missing.)"



Let me see if I understand this... Your info comes from a post that begins with "I have no way of knowing, but..." and ends with "I heard..." but we are supposed to accept this as "fact"? Oh please. Surely even you can do better than that. If it's fact, it's fact, and you have proof. If it's rumor, it's rumor, and "you heard" something.

HOWEVER, Oliver?? I'd be interested to know if you have valid info. PM me please.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Deflect.
Distract.
Harass.

The topic is TARA'S accounts. Why can't we stay on topic?


I'd like to hear more from Oliver. Is he your source fsbiii?

[fsbiii]

I never said the information was a fact, lady. I said it was speculation. Read back. Don't "twist" my words
Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Let me see if I understand this... Your info comes from a post that begins with "I have no way of knowing, but..." and ends with "I heard..." but we are supposed to accept this as "fact"? Oh please. Surely even you can do better than that. If it's fact, it's fact, and you have proof. If it's rumor, it's rumor, and "you heard" something.

HOWEVER, Oliver?? I'd be interested to know if you have valid info. PM me please.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Looks like some information has got out that AG wanted kept quiet. That is my take on this situation.


That's a very interesting post Irwin. Could be read in a number of ways.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I never said the information was a fact, lady. I said it was speculation. Read back. Don't "twist" my words with your buddy tonight.


Looks like I hit a nerve. Found your source maybe?

[BroadwayJoe]

Oliver, I really don't care WHERE you got the info. I just want to know if it's accurate. Don't let fsbiii bully you into silence. We are not here to harass a source. Only to understand.

[fsbiii]

Huh? Your post makes no sense, which is probably the point. The only nerve you ever hit is the funny bone. Ask AG about the money and the credit card paydown. I think that's the story being told. Or was it a horse purchase? Who can keep up these days, really.

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Looks like I hit a nerve. Found your source maybe?

[cbcrime]

What is it about this topic that has people so stirred up? It is a discussion of possibilities. No one has ever stated the retirement or the bank account as facts. They stated that this is what they heard and in some cases from multiple sources.

And some people will tell other people their life story. I have one at work and I just wish I didn't know that much about her personal life. So why all of the twisting of posts?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The only person who knows what personal and confidential info Tara shared, if indeed she shared any, is Tara herself.

You seem to have a desire for Tara to be dead...

Does it offend you that she might be alive?

It sure seems that way.

And not only you, but many people seem to take offense to the idea Tara could be alive.

:confused:

[BroadwayJoe]

To be continued I guess?? Oliver PM me back, and let's all discuss this like adults tomorrow. Novel idea? I thought so too. It feels good to finally find an answer for something, so on that note, I think I'll go get some dinner.

[Lindsey]

A horse?? Where was Tara going to keep a horse? In the backyard with Dolly? I have never heard about Tara having an interest in horses before. I wonder what else I haven't heard.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Usually when there is a bunch of harassment on a topic it means it is info that is too close to something that is not to be discussed. HD for example, LG for example, AG for example.


Computer hacking for example.
:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by OliverTwist
Maybe she used the money to get MH out of trouble again.
:confused:

Possibly, but it is my understanding that Marcus had his own significant pile of cash at that time.

[fsbiii]

"J4T...Clear your PM box....please!" *LOL*

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
To be continued I guess?? Oliver PM me back, and let's all discuss this like adults tomorrow. Novel idea? I thought so too. It feels good to finally find an answer for something, so on that note, I think I'll go get some dinner.

[rhill]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Usually when there is a bunch of harassment on a topic it means it is info that is too close to something that is not to be discussed. HD for example, LG for example, AG for example.



Just use the harassing posts as a barometer to let you know the topic is a good one....otw ignore them.

[crytheblues]

It seems a lot of horse manure flying around if you ask me.

Who can keep us with this mess?? Nonsense!!


Originally posted by fsbiii
Huh? Your post makes no sense, which is probably the point. The only nerve you ever hit is the funny bone. Ask AG about the money and the credit card paydown. I think that's the story being told. Or was it a horse purchase? Who can keep up these days, really.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by rhill


Just use the harassing posts as a barometer to let you know the topic is a good one....otw ignore them.

In that case, I would say Tara's retirement account is a good topic!

[crytheblues]

Pardon the pun, BVD, but YOU are "dead" wrong with your statement. That is a very cruel thing to say. I would love for Tara to be found alive and well. You are unbelievable!


Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You seem to have a desire for Tara to be dead...

Does it offend you that she might be alive?

It sure seems that way.

And not only you, but many people seem to take offense to the idea Tara could be alive.

:confused:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You seem to have a desire for Tara to be dead...

Does it offend you that she might be alive?

It sure seems that way.

And not only you, but many people seem to take offense to the idea Tara could be alive.

:confused:

I would like nothing more than for Tara to be alive, and consider it an affront that you would even post that I have a desire for Tara to be dead, but I guess nothing you post should surprise me.

I'm a realist, and unfortunately when people disappear, and are missing for 10 months, having left their possessions and capital behind, they are often victims of foul play.

You seem to be more concerned about protecting one of the persons who might be viewed as a POI than about Tara herself.

It sure seems that way to me.

:confused:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Possibly, but it is my understanding that Marcus had his own significant pile of cash at that time.

How did you reach that understanding? Did Marcus tell you that he had a significant pile of cash?

[crytheblues]

Amen, Paula....



Originally posted by Hey Paula


I would like nothing more than for Tara to be alive, and consider it an affront that you would even post that I have a desire for Tara to be dead, but I guess nothing you post should surprise me.

I'm a realist, and unfortunately when people disappear, and are missing for 10 months, having left their possessions and capital behind, they are often victims of foul play.

You seem to be more concerned about protecting one of the persons who might be viewed as a POI than about Tara herself.

It sure seems that way to me.

:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Pardon the pun, BVD, but YOU are "dead" wrong with your statement. That is a very cruel thing to say. I would love for Tara to be found alive and well. You are unbelievable!




They why do people seem so offended when talking about the possibility Tara could be alive?

It's like people would rather their egos be massaged by being correct that Tara is dead rather than admit they're wrong and she's alive.

I've never seen such a ridiculous clamor in my life regarding something so innocuous as the possibility Tara withdrew money from a retirement account.

The very people whining are generally the same people wanting everyone to believe Marcus Harper murdered Tara.

There is just as much evidence Tara withdrew this money as there is of Marcus murdering Tara... but one creates a big stink and the other is an expected assumption to be considered a person that is here "for Tara".

I find the witch hunt and those who attempt to sell it constantly disgusting, vile and almost inhuman for their desire to have some type of necrotic drama play out in front of their eyes. Any attempt to look at things in a light that could produce a positive outcome is shunned.

Talk about strange... sheesh.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


How did you reach that understanding? Did Marcus tell you that he had a significant pile of cash?

Actually some of the people who claim he murdered Tara have been talking about it.

[crytheblues]

I find what you are trying to do very strange.

Who cares about the money. Who cares about being right or wrong. I certainly do not. All I care about is finding the jerk or jerks who are responsible for Tara's disappearance. I wish like heck she was alive and teaching students for the upcoming year but I highly doubt that she will ever teach again. And that is JMOHO. Take it or leave it.
I don't think people are as upset about this new revelation as you would like for everyone to believe!!! Again that is JMOHO.

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


They why do people seem so offended when talking about the possibility Tara could be alive?

It's like people would rather their egos be massaged by being correct that Tara is dead rather than admit they're wrong and she's alive.

I've never seen such a ridiculous clamor in my life regarding something so innocuous as the possibility Tara withdrew money from a retirement account.

The very people whining, *****ing and moaning are generally the same people wanting everyone to believe Marcus Harper murdered Tara.

WTF!!!! There is just as much evidence Tara withdrew this money as there is of Marcus murdering Tara... but one creates a big stink and the other is an expected assumption to be considered a person that is here "for Tara".

I find the witch hunt and those who attempt to sell it constantly disgusting, vile and almost inhuman for their desire to have some type of necrotic drama play out in front of their eyes. Any attempt to look at things in a light that could produce a positive outcome is shunned.

Talk about strange... sheesh.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I would like nothing more than for Tara to be alive, and consider it an affront that you would even post that I have a desire for Tara to be dead, but I guess nothing you post should surprise me.

I'm a realist, and unfortunately when people disappear, and are missing for 10 months, having left their possessions and capital behind, they are often victims of foul play.

You seem to be more concerned about protecting one of the persons who might be viewed as a POI than about Tara herself.

It sure seems that way to me.

:confused:

"Protecting"?

I am of the mindset that requires some type of evidence and/or proof that someone can be involved in a crime before subjecting them to a witch hunt.

it takes more than the fact "they're a man" to constitute "evidence" of a crime being perpetrated by them.

[Lindsey]

Could we keep the discussion on Tara's retirement account? I think there's a thread about MH somewhere down the list.

I would be very interested in knowing when Tara made the withdrawal. Was it within a month of the time she vanished? Anyone?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by crytheblues
I find what you are trying to do very strange.

Who cares about the money. Who cares about being right or wrong. I certainly do not. All I care about is finding the jerk or jerks who are responsible for Tara's disappearance. I wish like heck she was alive and teaching students for the upcoming year but I highly doubt that she will ever teach again. And that is JMOHO. Take it or leave it, I really could care less about you or your beliefs.

I don't think people are as upset about this new revelation as you and your cronies would like for everyone to believe!!! Again that is JMOHO.



Obviously you care about the money or the possibility she withdrew it, or you wouldn't be on this thread
You want someone caught for murdering Tara?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


They why do people seem so offended when talking about the possibility Tara could be alive?

It's like people would rather their egos be massaged by being correct that Tara is dead rather than admit they're wrong and she's alive.

I've never seen such a ridiculous clamor in my life regarding something so innocuous as the possibility Tara withdrew money from a retirement account.

The very people whining, *****ing and moaning are generally the same people wanting everyone to believe Marcus Harper murdered Tara.

WTF!!!! There is just as much evidence Tara withdrew this money as there is of Marcus murdering Tara... but one creates a big stink and the other is an expected assumption to be considered a person that is here "for Tara".

I find the witch hunt and those who attempt to sell it constantly disgusting, vile and almost inhuman for their desire to have some type of necrotic drama play out in front of their eyes. Any attempt to look at things in a light that could produce a positive outcome is shunned.

Talk about strange... sheesh.

I have often found that those who accuse others of outrageous and obnoxious behavior are the ones who practice that behavior themselves.

Braggarts are usually the ones who need and want their egos massaged. Look to those types of posters when pointing your fingers. Be careful though, I wouldn't want you to injure yourself in the process.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I have often found that those who accuse others of outrageous and obnoxious behavior are the ones who practice that behavior themselves.

Braggarts are usually the ones who need and want their egos massaged. Look to those types of posters when pointing your fingers. Be careful though, I wouldn't want you to injure yourself in the process.

And I have often stated that I am obnoxious, rude and condescending. I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

I call things as I see them.

But so far as being braggart? I'm intelligent. In fact I'm know I'm more intelligent and better informed than the vast majority of people I waste my time responding to. That's just the bottom line facts. If it comes across as being a "braggart" because of that fact, then so be it. I'm not ashamed of being more intelligent than the average person. When I was in high school it was deemed "strange" to be more advanced than the other students. Now that I'm an old man, I take pride in it. use the ignore feature. Doesn't matter to me, I don't intend upon changing because you don't like it.

[Elle_Woods]

Unbelievable. :mad:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


And I have often stated that I am obnoxious, rude and condescending. I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

I call things as I see them.

And so far as egos, I'm not the one creating multiple nicknames responding to myself and praising myself. Sounds like a mental disturbance to me.

But so far as being braggart? I'm intelligent. In fact I'm know I'm more intelligent and better informed than the vast majority of people I waste my time responding to. That's just the bottom line facts. If it comes across as being a "braggart" because of that fact, then so be it. I'm not ashamed of being more intelligent than the average person. When I was in high school it was deemed "strange" to be more advanced than the other students. Now that I'm an old man, I take pride in it. Get over it, or use the ignore feature. Doesn't matter to me, I don't intend upon changing because you don't like it.
I'm know u r smart two....
:lol:

Sorry BFD, couldn't resist that. But one part of your speech about how wonderful you are did concern me. Up there at the top. You said you weren't here to win a popularity contest...etc. Thinking back, didn't Tara's sister make a statement similar to that once? Something to the effect of she "wasn't in town to make friends" or something like that? People read all sorts of things into that and tried to twist it all around and take it out of context. I find it very strange that you would make a statement so similar, yet expect praise and glory.

Strange.

[luvmy2labpups]

This thread has created a stir and many on here are not interested in actually discussing the possibilities that this can bring. If this is true, there is a HUGE possibility that Tara planned to leave. Excuses can be made until the cows come home but lets be honest, if a sum of 10,000 or any other figure was taken out shortly before her disappearance, from an account that gives a penalty upon taking money out it appears "hinky". If people can separate themselves from their own feelings of never being able to do this would say HMMMMM money withdrawn, no sign of struggle, no evidence of foul play, purse and keys gone, door locked, anything that could be traced to her left at home (car, cell, etc) it would open up a NEW perspective. Many have said she was young, single, didn't think about her retirement, paid off debt, car, school, etc. If and I mean big IF she did take out money to pay off these things, I ask why did she not get a bank loan to pay them off. Remember the comment that the only activity on her accounts was Anita paying on it? We can't have it both ways, either Anita was paying her bills or Tara took money out to pay off her bills. If she had so much debt that she felt inclined to borrow money, what was she purchasing, could those items be sold at a later date, were there airline tickets purchased, bus tickets, a used vehicle paid in cash? Where did her income from teaching go? The idea that some are quick to dismiss it makes me really question their ability to see things from an unbiased perspective. This possibility brings so many questions.

[Saskatoon]

Looks like some people didn't get the private message about not discussing this topic.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

I'm know u r smart two....
:lol:

Sorry BFD, couldn't resist that. But one part of your speech about how wonderful you are did concern me. Up there at the top. You said you weren't here to win a popularity contest...etc. Thinking back, didn't Tara's sister make a statement similar to that once? Something to the effect of she "wasn't in town to make friends" or something like that? People read all sorts of things into that and tried to twist it all around and take it out of context. I find it very strange that you would make a statement so similar, yet expect praise and glory.

Strange.

Who expects praise and glory? If you're saying I expect it, please show me any post of mine that indicates that.

The thing that has pissed me off real good on this thread is the absolutely insane manner I've seen people get so riled up over the idea Tara could be alive.

I mean, I seriously have never seen anything in my life where a bunch people on the internet are getting together and getting when anyone talks about the idea that someone else could be alive. Blows my mind.

How unbelievably that some people come across as wanting Tara to be dead, just so they can be right in their assumptions. And that's exactly how people come across when they start pitching conniptions over any information that can point to the idea Tara left on her own. Flabbergasting.

[Saskatoon]

11-4-05
""I did not come to Ocilla to make friends. I came to find my sister, and if I make enemies along the way, that's okay too," she says."

Seemed pretty in-context and prophetic to me. Maybe she should've been nice and respectful to make friends instead of controlling and one-sighted to make "enemies"?

Originally posted by HonestInjun

I'm know u r smart two....

Sorry BFD, couldn't resist that. But one part of your speech about how wonderful you are did concern me. Up there at the top. You said you weren't here to win a popularity contest...etc. Thinking back, didn't Tara's sister make a statement similar to that once? Something to the effect of she "wasn't in town to make friends" or something like that? People read all sorts of things into that and tried to twist it all around and take it out of context. I find it very strange that you would make a statement so similar, yet expect praise and glory.

Strange.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
This thread has created a stir and many on here are not interested in actually discussing the possibilities that this can bring. If this is true, there is a HUGE possibility that Tara planned to leave. Excuses can be made until the cows come home but lets be honest, if a sum of 10,000 or any other figure was taken out shortly before her disappearance, from an account that gives a penalty upon taking money out it appears "hinky". If people can separate themselves from their own feelings of never being able to do this would say HMMMMM money withdrawn, no sign of struggle, no evidence of foul play, purse and keys gone, door locked, anything that could be traced to her left at home (car, cell, etc) it would open up a NEW perspective. Many have said she was young, single, didn't think about her retirement, paid off debt, car, school, etc. If and I mean big IF she did take out money to pay off these things, I ask why did she not get a bank loan to pay them off. Remember the comment that the only activity on her accounts was Anita paying on it? We can't have it both ways, either Anita was paying her bills or Tara took money out to pay off her bills. If she had so much debt that she felt inclined to borrow money, what was she purchasing, could those items be sold at a later date, were there airline tickets purchased, bus tickets, a used vehicle paid in cash? Where did her income from teaching go? The idea that some are quick to dismiss it makes me really question their ability to see things from an unbiased perspective. This possibility brings so many questions.
This thread "created a stir" because there were no facts stated at any time. Only "I heard" or "I thought someone said", etc. coupled with a mysterious "source" of sorts supposedly giving info to fsbiii. Thinking logically like I am prone to do, I decided to find out this information for myself, and to get it "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak, while at the same time respecting fsbiii's "source", And BTW, Tara doesn't have a horse either so you all can shelve that one as well, but here we go on the retirement issue: Tara's immediate family has ALL of Tara's 401k statements from the past two years and no money, repeat NO MONEY has been withdrawn. FURTHER, her teacher's retirement has not been touched. All she did was get a credit card that had a lower interest rate than another credit card she had. Once obtaining the new card, she transferred a balance of several thousand dollars. It may look like she paid that much on it if someone does not have access to all of her finances and credit card statements. The foregoing was DIRECTLY from a family member, so you can take it or leave it. The same person wanted to relay another message as well, to tell the CTV posters, specifically fsbiii, to stop losing sleep over this, and to focus his energy on something truthful and productive for a change. They are tired of being harassed on this forum by the use of lies and innuendo, and outright slander, and wished only to set the record straight once and for all.

Fsbiii, get another source.

Again, the above information came DIRECTLY from Tara's immediate family. You can choose to believe it or not, I really don't have an issue with either. But I DO think it's ridiculous for threads like this to go absolutely BONKERS before they come back to reality. Shall we get back to reality now? Shall we?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by Saskatoon
11-4-05
""I did not come to Ocilla to make friends. I came to find my sister, and if I make enemies along the way, that's okay too," she says."

Seemed pretty in-context and prophetic to me. Maybe she should've been nice and respectful to make friends instead of controlling and one-sighted to make "enemies"?


That sounds quite harsh. Almost like you are stating you are an enemy, like on a personal level.

That's interesting, but it really has no place on this board does it?

[BroadwayJoe]

Hope you all find what you are looking for and have a great day. I have, like, you know, a regular job, so....play nice!
:punch:

[fsbiii]

I get a personal "back off" from Anita? Wow. That only makes me look more, to be honest. But she knows that by now. I've only been looking for truthful and productive things from the very beginning, can she say the same? The whole thread was couched in speculation, but that got overlooked in the mad dash to discredit posters, intimidate with legal threats, and otherwise cover up the topic (like many times before).

And for the record, I don't trust your source more than you trust mine. Saying "the family" says anything means absolutely nothing to me. Look at the track record. There's a reason 95% of the things said have been changed, twisted, or downright false.

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

This thread "created a stir" because there were no facts stated at any time. Only "I heard" or "I thought someone said", etc. coupled with a mysterious "source" of sorts supposedly giving info to fsbiii. Thinking logically like I am prone to do, I decided to find out this information for myself, and to get it "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak, while at the same time respecting fsbiii's "source", which incidentally, turned out to be not a very good one. And BTW, Tara doesn't have a horse either so you all can shelve that one as well, but here we go on the retirement issue: Tara's immediate family has ALL of Tara's 401k statements from the past two years and no money, repeat NO MONEY has been withdrawn. FURTHER, her teacher's retirement has not been touched. All she did was get a credit card that had a lower interest rate than another credit card she had. Once obtaining the new card, she transferred a balance of several thousand dollars. It may look like she paid that much on it if someone does not have access to all of her finances and credit card statements. The foregoing was DIRECTLY from a family member, so you can take it or leave it. The same person wanted to relay another message as well, to tell the CTV posters, specifically fsbiii, to stop losing sleep over this, and to focus his energy on something truthful and productive for a change. They are tired of being harassed on this forum by the use of lies and innuendo, and outright slander, and wished only to set the record straight once and for all.

Fsbiii, get another source.

Again, the above information came DIRECTLY from Tara's immediate family. You can choose to believe it or not, I really don't have an issue with either. But I DO think it's ridiculous for threads like this to go absolutely BONKERS before they come back to reality. Shall we get back to reality now? Shall we?

[fsbiii]

That was the intent of the information, but don't let it fool you. We've been down this road many times.

Didn't "the family" actually ask a teacher about the withdrawal, i.e., had no knowledge of it and turned to those who did?

Originally posted by barry9120
This information seems to end this thread.

[PNut]

Originally posted by fsbiii
*snip*

And for the record, I don't trust your source more than you trust mine. Saying "the family" says anything means absolutely nothing to me. Look at the track record. There's a reason 95% of the things said have been changed, twisted, or downright false.




Exactly fsbiii :beer:

"The family" as a reliable source? :no: The Spinners? No way. They are no more reliable than anyone else in this case.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

This thread "created a stir" because there were no facts stated at any time. Only "I heard" or "I thought someone said", etc. coupled with a mysterious "source" of sorts supposedly giving info to fsbiii. Thinking logically like I am prone to do, I decided to find out this information for myself, and to get it "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak, while at the same time respecting fsbiii's "source", which incidentally, turned out to be not a very good one. And BTW, Tara doesn't have a horse either so you all can shelve that one as well, but here we go on the retirement issue: Tara's immediate family has ALL of Tara's 401k statements from the past two years and no money, repeat NO MONEY has been withdrawn. FURTHER, her teacher's retirement has not been touched. All she did was get a credit card that had a lower interest rate than another credit card she had. Once obtaining the new card, she transferred a balance of several thousand dollars. It may look like she paid that much on it if someone does not have access to all of her finances and credit card statements. The foregoing was DIRECTLY from a family member, so you can take it or leave it. The same person wanted to relay another message as well, to tell the CTV posters, specifically fsbiii, to stop losing sleep over this, and to focus his energy on something truthful and productive for a change. They are tired of being harassed on this forum by the use of lies and innuendo, and outright slander, and wished only to set the record straight once and for all.

Fsbiii, get another source.

Again, the above information came DIRECTLY from Tara's immediate family. You can choose to believe it or not, I really don't have an issue with either. But I DO think it's ridiculous for threads like this to go absolutely BONKERS before they come back to reality. Shall we get back to reality now? Shall we? And I am supposed to believe U over any other poster when the context of all of your posts clearly shows your position on this matter? NO WAY! You have shown that you are not interested in any other theory then the AG camp thinking. Pardon me for disregarding EVERYTHING you have said. After a long review of all of the interviews AG and LG have given, I have also choosen to disregard ANYTHING that comes from them. I will continue to research this and see what comes from it. If you want to move on then please do.

[PNut]

Might I have some more?

:D

[PNut]

YES! I couldn't remember if there was a please there or not!!

Wasn't it - Might I have some more please sir? LOL Ah, takes me back to Senior English....:tongue:

[jond]

No, my source is better than your source...LOL. Maybe all this could have been avoided if the initiating post said: I either heard this or am making it up, but never mind it still could have happened. I wil say it least it has the plausbility of reality unlike other TG talk and with that said:

Why would TG take only a porton of her retirement account and not all?

Also, IMO, it would be very unusual for a bank to doal out thousands of dollars in cash, if it had, IMO, this would have come out long ago. If not, someone cashed a check close to $10,000.00 for TG, now thats a guy I can do bidness with.

[concernedperson]

Unless someone can tell me why a 30 year old would leave without a trace than I am discounting the money aspect. I contend and no one has swayed me that she wouldn't have done that considering all other possibilities.

Don't use the Jennifer Wilbanks excuse because as soon as she was out of money she called home. Tara was not in the same category. Jennifer was quick to lay blame on hispanic drivers but nothing from Tara.She isn't that sophisticated, in my opinion, to lay low from this period of time if she was a Jennifer Wilbanks.

I don't want Tara to be dead but I am not buying all the runaway theories. I would love to be wrong.But I don't think I am.

[jond]

I agree, its a goose chase and there have been plenty of gooses around...at least this goose had feathers, a little more respectable than the other gooses.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
This thread has created a stir and many on here are not interested in actually discussing the possibilities that this can bring. If this is true, there is a HUGE possibility that Tara planned to leave.

I see your point. The only problem I see with Tara leaving on her own is that she has not been seen- anywhere. She's high profile and I'd think that with the media coverage, she'd have been spotted by now.

Unless she retired in an Amish village or some place with no TV's!

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


I see your point. The only problem I see with Tara leaving on her own is that she has not been seen- anywhere. She's high profile and I'd think that with the media coverage, she'd have been spotted by now.

Unless she retired in an Amish village or some place with no TV's!

High profile?

I would estimate that 99% of the population wouldn't have the slightest idea who Tara Grinstead is if she was sitting right next to them.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by jond
No, my source is better than your source...LOL. Maybe all this could have been avoided if the initiating post said: I either heard this or am making it up, but never mind it still could have happened. I wil say it least it has the plausbility of reality unlike other TG talk and with that said:

Why would TG take only a porton of her retirement account and not all?

Also, IMO, it would be very unusual for a bank to doal out thousands of dollars in cash, if it had, IMO, this would have come out long ago. If not, someone cashed a check close to $10,000.00 for TG, now thats a guy I can do bidness with.

Actually, I am the one who first mentioned it and I did say I wasn't sure if it was true or not. After my post on another thread mentioning it, this thread was created.

It also wasn't $10k.

And the amount it was and considering the length of time Tara was employed, I would imagine that the amount taken did empty out the retirement fund.

[concernedperson]

Tara is not a high profile case. It doesn't matter who thinks differently. She is in my heart. I will never stop looking for her.

[crytheblues]

Originally posted by readmylips


so i guess you secured a direct connection sometime between 3 ysterday and when you posted your direct from the family info?

thats good to know really because there are a lot of things we'd like to get direct information about. can we count on you to be an information gatherer now?

Why?? Have you lost your direct connection?? You aren't using your specialized spyware, key logger, to monitor every e-mail, IM, chat, or log every Web site visited???? AWWWW....shucks. What about the Trojandownloader???

Didn't anyone tell you in March of 2006 the Senate approved the Undertaking Spam, Spyware and Fraud Enforcement With Enforcers Beyond Borders Act (US Safe Web Act) which allows the FTC to exchange information on ongoing investigations with foreign law enforcers, boosting the agency's efforts to nab spammers and spys. Spys are being prosecuted and sent to prison. About time, don't you think???

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by crytheblues


Why?? Have you lost your direct connection?? You aren't using your specialized spyware, key logger, to monitor every e-mail, IM, chat, or log every Web site visited???? AWWWW....shucks. What about the Trojandownloader???

Didn't anyone tell you in March of 2006 the Senate approved the Undertaking Spam, Spyware and Fraud Enforcement With Enforcers Beyond Borders Act (US Safe Web Act) which allows the FTC to exchange information on ongoing investigations with foreign law enforcers, boosting the agency's efforts to nab spammers and spys. Spys are being prosecuted and sent to prison. About time, don't you think???


Why are you trying to get this thread deleted? What is it on this thread that threatens you?

[crytheblues]

To answer your first question - NO!

Second question - NOT ONE DARN THING!!!

Originally posted by Lindsey



Why are you trying to get this thread deleted? What is it on this thread that threatens you?

[concernedperson]

I am so core right now. If this is a game please excuse yourself. There is nothing funny about a missing person case. Ever.

Look for everything but remember the person who is missing. They didn't ask for this. They need to be found in whatever shape or form...it is what we do. This is why a forum was created. JMO.

[Lindsey]

Back to the topic of this thread; Tara's Retirement Account.

Did Tara have access to any other large sums of money that we might not be thinking of. I'm thinking about the references to her large credit cards bills. Unless she was making frequent (or large) cash withdrawals, why were her balances so high? It doesn't match up with the lifestyle Tara was said to be living. IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Lindsey
Back to the topic of this thread; Tara's Retirement Account.

Did Tara have access to any other large sums of money that we might not be thinking of. I'm thinking about the references to her large credit cards bills. Unless she was making frequent (or large) cash withdrawals, why were her balances so high? It doesn't match up with the lifestyle Tara was said to be living. IMO


What large credit card bills?

[fsbiii]

"Once obtaining the new card, she transferred a balance of several thousand dollars."

-family source, via Broadway Joe up above

Originally posted by Hey Paula

What large credit card bills?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"Once obtaining the new card, she transferred a balance of several thousand dollars."

-family source, via Broadway Joe up above



Transferring a PRIOR [emphasis] balance to a new card, in order to pay a reduced rate of interest, is a common practice. We don't know what the inception date of the original loan was. What we do know is that it was not a new loan taken out for the purpose of skipping town.

IMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Hey Paula



What large credit card bills?

Read back on this thread and you'll find references to Tara's credit card debts. It was also said to be offered as one of the reasons Tara might have taken money from her retirement account.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Read back on this thread and you'll find references to Tara's credit card debts. It was also said to be offered as one of the reasons Tara might have taken money from her retirement account.

We don't know, for a FACT, that Tara took money from her retirement account.

[fsbiii]

In my book, carrying a large balance on a credit card creates a high credit card debt month to month. You never seem satisfied with the simplest of answers, HP.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Transferring a PRIOR [emphasis] balance to a new card, in order to pay a reduced rate of interest, is a common practice. We don't know what the inception date of the original loan was. What we do know is that it was not a new loan taken out for the purpose of skipping town.

IMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Transferring a PRIOR [emphasis] balance to a new card, in order to pay a reduced rate of interest, is a common practice. We don't know what the inception date of the original loan was. What we do know is that it was not a new loan taken out for the purpose of skipping town.

IMO

Even if it was only a transfer, there was "a balance of several thousand dollars." per BWJ above

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Even if it was only a transfer, there was "a balance of several thousand dollars." per BWJ above

The age of the original loan is relevant if you are drawing a connection to Tara using this money to create a new life for herself elsewhere.

[fsbiii]

Huh? You only asked, "What large credit card bills?" - and you got an answer. Don't twist and bend.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The age of the original loan is relevant if you are drawing a connection to Tara using this money to create a new life for herself elsewhere.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The age of the original loan is relevant if you are drawing a connection to Tara using this money to create a new life for herself elsewhere.

Remember this post you made?

Originally posted by Hey Paula

What large credit card bills?

That's what I was responding to. I wasn't talking about loans of any size. What large loans are you speaking of?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Huh? You only asked, "What large credit card bills?" - and you got an answer. Don't twist and bend.



I'm not one one who is twisting and bending.

Old transferred debts and/or credit card consolidation are not new loans. This entire issue began when the question of why Tara would leave without closing her bank accounts, leaving all her capital behind, was raised.

That's when the retirement account loan and credit card loan speculations began to surface.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Results


Darn it! Now I'm confused. Paula said loan. Is there a loan or not? TIA

I was talking about the money from the retirement account and large credit card bills.

Apparently Paula knows something I don't. I don't know about a loan.

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Results


Darn it! Now I'm confused. Paula said loan. Is there a loan or not? TIA

loan Pronunciation (ln)
n.
1.
a. Something lent for temporary use.
b. A sum of money lent at interest.

Credit card debts are loans.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Results


Thank you, Paula. I got it now. I think the confusion came in where you used both....credit card and loan. I was thinking she had both.


I think it was when Paula said "the age of the original loan is relevant" part that caused me to think she knew there was a large loan in addition to large credit card bills. Sorry I got confused too.

IMO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Tara is not a high profile case. It doesn't matter who thinks differently. She is in my heart. I will never stop looking for her.

Now that I think about it, Tara was only on the news programs for a brief few minutes. I think that I assume because of my interest, everyone else may be as well.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family, how anyone can go through this is beyond me.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


We don't know, for a FACT, that Tara took money from her retirement account.

You also don't know for a FACT she transferred credit card debt to a different card.

See, this is where we don't see eye to eye on so many things.

The same speculative nature on things, but one you will choose to think is fact and the others you choose to say it's speculation.

Whatever BroadwayJoe, Mannequin or myself have said on this forum is all speculative in nature because NONE of us have the ability to prove a single solitary thing we've stated, because there are no "links" to provide.

BUT, you pick and choose what pieces of speculation you want to believe as "fact".

So, while you're talking about the speculation of the retirement account, you've immediately gone into "factual" mode regarding BroadwayJoe's version of events that there was a transfer of credit card debt.

[jond]

IMO, if this withdrawal, transfer, loan, etc. took place it comes back to cash, not checks. To disappear, TG would need a large sum of cash under this theory and a question remains did she clear out all her accounts, checking, saving, IRAs. In this case, Imo, the money is the easiest trail to have followed. I would feel safe to say LE has looked at TG account activity prior to her disappearance. Large withdrawals in the form of cash would be red light. IMO, it would be doubtful TG received a loan check for X thousands and went down to a liquor store and cashed it. IF any of this occurred, I believe LE is aware of its possible significance.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


BFD- hope you don't mind, I zero'd in on the horse purchase- found that very interesting.

My family breeds horses, several have horse stables where they board horses, and I have a couple of cousins who competitively ride - most of us have been riding since we could hold the reins.

I have never seen a photo of Tara on a horse. Never seen anything to suggest she was a rider.

From my own personal experience, most novice riders do NOT buy horses. Horses are much like boats, they can be very costly.

So if it is true Tara was in the market for a horse, maybe tells me she most likely was riding. WHERE? How often? There is this supposed DNA that has not been matched? What about who she came into contact with when she was riding?

Did she ride as a child and she finally reached a moment she wanted to buy her own horse? I can see that quite so easily.

Horses are not cheap. There is not just the price of the horse there are also the boarding expenses and the vet costs and transfer costs - it can easily cost more than what she withdrew if it was under $10,000. Tara drove a little car. Most girls or boys who own horses have trucks and trailers! Or they have family or friends who have such equipment. Made me wonder about the black truck again!

If Tara did ride - then the trails/roads she rode obviously need to be checked? And the folks she came into contact with need to be examined. I can't help but wonder if any one has conveniently relocated since Tara disappeared.

One last thought - a wild card - what if the horse she was buying had something to do with her pageant work? maybe she could be in the market for a horse and NOT be a rider at all? What kind of horse was circled? BFD surely your source knows what horse was circled? IMO that is a very important detail. Did she plan to buy a horse to pull a bugey with the winner of the Relay for Life winner? Set her girls apart from the many who rode in cars? Do something with a historical flair? Just speculating of course.

And then there is the other side of the coin - this whole "buying a horse" is a ruse. Why would someone want to start such a rumor? Hope the GBI can get back to the original source of this! I think it may be important. In much the same way as the retirement money rumor goes, it really makes me wonder about the motives of whoever started this stuff if it is false and why anyone would spread it without first making sure it has some truth in it.

The horse thing is easy - a circled ad! What paper, what date? when found? by whom? what kind of horse?
That could be a lead, imo.




:seeya:

You have hit upon the one thing that has intrigued me.

I was originally told that Tara withdrew this money to purchase a horse. Tara told this to someone.

When I start looking into the alleged withdrawal, a family member allegedly stated that it was for the purpose of paying down credit card debt.

And then another person was told it was to pay off her car.

Three different stories, two alleged from Tara's lips to those who heard it. The one regarding the credit card debt is allegedly from a family member.

Out of the blue someone else told me that Tara had circled an ad for a horse for sale. They didn't tell me what paper, the date on the paper or anything else. What was intriguing to me was that it independently corroborated the version of events where Tara stated she was going to purchase a horse, hence the withdrawal.

Now, the money became secondary to me at that point.

IF Tara was looking to buy a horse in the weeks prior to her disappearance, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

1. It would indicate Tara had no plans to leave.

2. Could Tara have met up with the wrong person when out looking to purchase a horse? Have all horse farms been searched? Have all persons trying to sell a horse (in the timeframe right before her disappearance) within a 100 mile radius of Ocilla been questioned?

3. Where was she going to keep a horse? She had to have made arrangements about where this horse was going to stay. It surely wasn't going to stay in the backyard with Dolly.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Wait a minute BFD-

*snipped for brevity*



First off, please cite one instance of my sources being wrong. Just one. EVERYTHING my sources have advised me of so far has been factual.

The only thing up in the air to me is the retirement account information because I have had no way of independently corroborating the information.

Just for reminders sake, I used to be an investigator. It was my job. I know and understand how to corroborate information. Whether you choose to believe any of the information brought forward is up to you.

When I say something is "alleged", it's because I have not been able to corroborate it to my satisfaction. I have high standards for proving something to be considered factual in nature.

Hence the whole reason behind my initial post saying, "for what it's worth". And the usage of the word "alleged" in my posts.

I don't have the slightest idea WTF you're talking about regarding me telling you I've spoke to anyone. I have NEVER revealed my sources for anything. The closest you might get is Brett Walker. But that wasn't a "source". I most definitely have the correspondence from him verifying the information you've so vehemently denied understanding. In fact, I still have your original correspondence stating the donation was for the "benefit" and then later you changed it to saying you were giving to the website. I keep ALL correspondence I receive from anyone. So, if that's what you're referring to, think again. You're dead wrong and I have all of the correspondence to prove otherwise.

Bark up someone else's tree if you're in a mood to play games. I don't play games. When I state something, it is what it is. No if's, and's or but's.

So far as the person who told me about the ad for the horse, they're investigating this case... what they've done with that information, I don't have the slightest idea. It is up to their professional judgment as to how they're going to handle it. I don't go into the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them how to cook my food; I'll damn sure not tell an investigator what to do with their investigation. I trust this investigator is professional enough to go from Point A to Point B all on his/her own.

And for your information, I am the one who brought this information to the boards. I don't know why everyone is looking at fsbiii for "releasing" this information. He/She did nothing more than respond to my post to Paula when I brought it up.

I have sat on it for months, allowing the investigative process to play out. If they haven't followed up on this information by now, shame on them.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


First off, please cite one instance of my sources being wrong. Just one. EVERYTHING my sources have advised me of so far has been factual.

The only thing up in the air to me is the retirement account information because I have had no way of independently corroborating the information.

Just for reminders sake, I used to be an investigator. It was my job. I know and understand how to corroborate information. Whether you choose to believe any of the information brought forward is up to you.

When I say something is "alleged", it's because I have not been able to corroborate it to my satisfaction. I have high standards for proving something to be considered factual in nature.

Hence the whole reason behind my initial post saying, "for what it's worth". And the usage of the word "alleged" in my posts.

I don't have the slightest idea WTF you're talking about regarding me telling you I've spoke to anyone. I have NEVER revealed my sources for anything. The closest you might get is Brett Walker. But that wasn't a "source". I most definitely have the correspondence from him verifying the information you've so vehemently denied understanding. In fact, I still have your original correspondence stating the donation was for the "benefit" and then later you changed it to saying you were giving to the website. I keep ALL correspondence I receive from anyone. So, if that's what you're referring to, think again. You're dead wrong and I have all of the correspondence to prove otherwise.

Bark up someone else's tree if you're in a mood to play games. I don't play games. When I state something, it is what it is. No if's, and's or but's.

So far as the person who told me about the ad for the horse, they're investigating this case... what they've done with that information, I don't have the slightest idea. It is up to their professional judgment as to how they're going to handle it. I don't go into the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them how to cook my food; I'll damn sure not tell an investigator what to do with their investigation. I trust this investigator is professional enough to go from Point A to Point B all on his/her own.

And for your information, I am the one who brought this information to the boards. I don't know why everyone is looking at fsbiii for "releasing" this information. He/She did nothing more than respond to my post to Paula when I brought it up.

I have sat on it for months, allowing the investigative process to play out. If they haven't followed up on this information by now, shame on them.

So, BFD, non-game player, you stated WEEKS ago you would contact LG at work to make arrangements to search his property in Hawkinsville. To date, you have never followed up on this. This was a game. You never had any intention of searching.

Another example: Months ago there was something posted asking questions about a "black truck". You were called on it by another poster who accused you of placing it there ONLY because you already knew LG had a black truck. You admitted it on the board.

Another example: You stated in a "private chat" that you planned to "hit Anita Gattis with both barrels" the following week. Fsbiii was right there cheering you on, and the two of you discussed the tactics you would use to bring the false info to the board because you disliked her so much (presumably because more false info had been fed to you by yet another bad source).

There are too many more examples to name, BFD. You are not being truthful, and are in no way participating in a TRUE DISCUSSION of facts vs. rumor vs. hatred of other posters.

And finally, BFD, an "investigator" would not allow "important factual information" to just float around in cyberspace. Someone that truly cared would take it upon themselves to personally forward it to appropriate authorities (and not just assume your source would). As you people like to say, that raises my "hinky" meter as to your true motives. If you've been "sitting on" information for months, and did nothing with it (if you truly believe it to be FACT) then you are guilty. If you sat on it ONLY because you KNEW it was just rumor, then there you go. You claim to be so involved with this case, and so determined to find Tara. Yet you would fail to report potentially case-solving info? I don't think so. Sorry, I'm not buying today. You knew it was bad information the day you got it. TIME will show you that it was nothing more than speculation. And as a "true investigator" why are you wasting time on random speculation? Makes a person wonder if your claim of being an "investigator" is false as well. I have nothing more to say on this subject, because I believe I have made my point. BFD, you are NOT what you claim, and you know it. Shame on you for pretending, then accusing others of "game playing".
:no:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You also don't know for a FACT she transferred credit card debt to a different card.

See, this is where we don't see eye to eye on so many things.

The same speculative nature on things, but one you will choose to think is fact and the others you choose to say it's speculation.

Whatever BroadwayJoe, Mannequin or myself have said on this forum is all speculative in nature because NONE of us have the ability to prove a single solitary thing we've stated, because there are no "links" to provide.

BUT, you pick and choose what pieces of speculation you want to believe as "fact".

So, while you're talking about the speculation of the retirement account, you've immediately gone into "factual" mode regarding BroadwayJoe's version of events that there was a transfer of credit card debt.


FYI: I've never claimed anything about this case to be a fact, I never said Tara borrowed from her retirement account, and I never said she took a new loan with a lower interest rate to consolidate credit card debt. I merely commented upon it when it was suggested in other posts. I also expressed my OPINION re early retirement account withdrawals, etc.

I don't claim to have "sources", inside knowledge, or to know people, close to the investigation, who share info with me. I guess that's because I'm not a former investigator, who is much more intelligent than most people. But, I'm as happy as a clam at high tide because my instincts and intuition have served me very well.

I never went into "factual mode" about anything. Check out my posts which, for the most part, end in IMO.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by readmylips


that must be the finest example of pot calling the kettle i have ever seen. good job injun. why does conversation bother you so much is what i wonder. why attack a poster and try to discredit him when he is clearly very intelligent and thorough? i dont believe for one minute that he conspired to attack anyone with false information. you are just trying to attack his credibility for those who havent been around long enough to know the real deal. the online interaction in this case is beyond bizarre.
Quite the contrary RML, this conversation doesn't bother me in the least. In fact, I encourage it.

Carry on.
:)

[Elle_Woods]

M71 :seeya:

The 'sources' apparently follow like this:

Broadway Joe says that he or she checked with family or a family member re: any money Tara withdrew and the only think they know is that she had transferred a balance from one card to another for a better interest rate.

BroadwayJoe only made this inquiry specifically in regards to and after BFD's claim that according to word from a, of course unnamed or referenced, source:

- Tara (allegedly) had made a withdrawal 'under 10,000' from her teacher's retirement account

- Tara (allegedly) told some people that the withdrawal was to pay off her sports car

- Tara (allegedly) told others that the (alleged) retirement withdrawal was to buy a horse and circled an ad about a horse that was for sale. This 'source' who claims to know that Tara circled an ad for a horse, never mentioned (which BFD acknowledged) which newspaper it was, the date of the paper and so on.

:patriot:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by readmylips


that must be the finest example of pot calling the kettle i have ever seen. good job injun. why does conversation bother you so much is what i wonder. why attack a poster and try to discredit him when he is clearly very intelligent and thorough? i dont believe for one minute that he conspired to attack anyone with false information. you are just trying to attack his credibility for those who havent been around long enough to know the real deal. the online interaction in this case is beyond bizarre.

I agree, I have never seen anything like this on any other board.Even the Laci Peterson case (which was highly emotional) never reached this level.People were open as they could be and opinions were formulated based on links and honest speculation.

It got the killer behind bars and even made friends among others and taught valuable lessons for all of us.

I truly want Tara found and if we have to scratch the dirt a little than so be it. It comes out in the wash.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by readmylips


that must be the finest example of pot calling the kettle i have ever seen. good job injun. why does conversation bother you so much is what i wonder. why attack a poster and try to discredit him when he is clearly very intelligent and thorough? i dont believe for one minute that he conspired to attack anyone with false information. you are just trying to attack his credibility for those who havent been around long enough to know the real deal. the online interaction in this case is beyond bizarre.
No attack here. Just pointing out the truth. It is what it is.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


So, BFD, non-game player, you stated WEEKS ago you would contact LG at work to make arrangements to search his property in Hawkinsville. To date, you have never followed up on this. This was a game. You never had any intention of searching.

Another example: Months ago there was something posted asking questions about a "black truck". You were called on it by another poster who accused you of placing it there ONLY because you already knew LG had a black truck. You admitted it on the board.

Another example: You stated in a "private chat" that you planned to "hit Anita Gattis with both barrels" the following week. Fsbiii was right there cheering you on, and the two of you discussed the tactics you would use to bring the false info to the board because you disliked her so much (presumably because more false info had been fed to you by yet another bad source).

There are too many more examples to name, BFD. You are not being truthful, and are in no way participating in a TRUE DISCUSSION of facts vs. rumor vs. hatred of other posters.

And finally, BFD, an "investigator" would not allow "important factual information" to just float around in cyberspace. Someone that truly cared would take it upon themselves to personally forward it to appropriate authorities (and not just assume your source would). As you people like to say, that raises my "hinky" meter as to your true motives. If you've been "sitting on" information for months, and did nothing with it (if you truly believe it to be FACT) then you are guilty. If you sat on it ONLY because you KNEW it was just rumor, then there you go. You claim to be so involved with this case, and so determined to find Tara. Yet you would fail to report potentially case-solving info? I don't think so. Sorry, I'm not buying today. You knew it was bad information the day you got it. TIME will show you that it was nothing more than speculation. And as a "true investigator" why are you wasting time on random speculation? Makes a person wonder if your claim of being an "investigator" is false as well. I have nothing more to say on this subject, because I believe I have made my point. BFD, you are NOT what you claim, and you know it. Shame on you for pretending, then accusing others of "game playing".
:no:

You seem to be quite mistaken about a few things.

First, searching the Gattis property. I made my point.

Second, the "black truck" threads were going long before I even knew Larry had a black truck. And by all means I mentioned the fact he had a black truck. Why not? He does. And people stated they were wondering about black trucks. Why should his black truck get a free pass, but every one else's gets scrutinized?

Third, my comments about giving Anita Gattis both barrels was not in a "private chat". They are still sitting right there on the message board for all to see. (I assume) When did fsbiii and I discuss "tactics" or "false information"? You're smoking some potent weed or just plain old delusional. After further thought, I realized that Anita shouldn't be blamed for the people that speak in a tone as if they were speaking for her. She most likely doesn't have the slightest idea the types of nutcases she's allowed to penetrate her life in her desire to find Tara. Then again, she might. But so far I haven't seen her act in the manner in her minions have. In fact, other than her short spiel on Cat Crier's show, she's been very quiet. So, I acknowledged to myself that I was viewing her in a negative light due to the people supposedly "being there for her" and their behaviors.

Fourth, the information was most definitely shared with law enforcment. Unless you work with the Ocilla PD, you have no idea what was shared and what wasn't.

Fifth. I've never stated I'm "determined" to find Tara. Honestly, this is just another case. Nothing special. In my life experiences I've worked hundreds of cases. A few stand out, but all in all, it was nothing but work. That's how I view these cases over the internet. Nothing but a name. Nothing but a puzzle to figure out. I have no emotional connection to this case whatsoever.

What got me "involved" in this case was defending the constitutional rights of the favorite "POI" that were in the process of getting trampled when I first came on this board. That's what got me "involved". I absolutely abhor watching people go on a massive witchhunt and the strongest evidence they have is, "they used to date". WTF is that? Asinine.

I don't care if you believe I used to be an investigator or not. Doesn't matter one bit to me. I know what my life experiences are, and I don't feel the need to press the issue for you to believe it. Because after all, you don't matter to me in the grand scheme of my life. What difference does it make to me what you believe?

I have absolutely zero desire to attempt to "justify" myself to anyone. For one, I don't need to.

No one has shown one thing I've stated as FACT to be wrong yet. No one.

When I share information, it's after digesting it and seeing what I can do with it. Then I'll throw it out there for anyone else to pick apart if they like. I don't care if people believe it or not. That's not the point behind sharing it. My bringing information here is at least rooted into some type of discussion that occurred prior to me ever hearing the name, "Tara Grinstead".

Whereas we have some ridiculous commentary on abortions, who's calling who from bars and other asinine things that have no basis in fact, just pure speculation generated to point in a particular direction.

[fsbiii]

BFD needs no cheerleader, trust me.

I have never discussed tactics to bring false info anywhere, either.

I don't dislike Anita one bit. I don't trust her, there is a difference. I don't follow or worship her every word, there is a difference. I don't think she gets a free pass in all of this due to the extremely strange relationship she has/had with her sister and the way she has led the parade and made such a mockery of things. There is a difference.

This isn't a popularity contest or a pageant. As for your obvious mole and chat room transcript stealer, sing another tune. Nothing's private, nothing's sacred, no one cares. Tell her I said hi, too.

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Another example: You stated in a "private chat" that you planned to "hit Anita Gattis with both barrels" the following week. Fsbiii was right there cheering you on, and the two of you discussed the tactics you would use to bring the false info to the board because you disliked her so much (presumably because more false info had been fed to you by yet another bad source).

[concernedperson]

This worries me. Private conversations are just that but in this case it is not relevant.Everything you say is being archived. Most of us posters are irrevelent to the the case and just post an opinion. Why would everything you say be so importent? Is it to prove or disprove a position? I don't know. It is tiresome though.
Someone needs to get off their collective asses and do something about finding Tara.

If she chose to disappear than great. I hope her life is better than it was before and I don't particularly care about her family's dysfunction. Where is Tara?

[sogalady]

This is a crying shame,, I can not believe that this board has come to this ! Many posters here need to take their " I am right/ you are wrong" disputes to PMs. Has the last two pages of post solved anything? I for one am so discouraged and down right tired of attempting to read in order to gather new information that might possibly lead to some resolution in the dissapearance of Tara.

The length of some of these arguments are SO long that I doubt very seriously that anyone, other than the posters who are anxious to make the next stab, actually reads them in their entirety !

Please for the sake of everyone who really cares about the outcome of this case( and does not consider it just another game or a puzzle to be solved) please take your debate to PM so that all others do not have to endure your lengthy attacks of game playing. This will benefit the posters who are actually sincere and it will also benefit those who are attempting to solve a puzzle, as the attacks can be even more personal.

Thanks !

[cbcrime]

Why does everyone assume that posting about the retirement is meant to show Tara walked away? My thought is this. If she took out funds and those funds are accounted for - that would indicate she was not planning a disappearance.

I.E. If she paid off credit cards - if she paid off her vehicle. Or the money was still in an account. Or the use can be traced.

To me it would only indicate voluntary leaving if the money was unaccounted for. JMHO

[luvmy2labpups]

Here's my problem, who can you trust to give true and accurate information on all funds being accounted for? In short of GBI stating all funds have been accounted for I don't know if we will get a truthful picture. Even if it were the case and Taras funds were missing/unaccounted for, can any of you name one person who would actually come out and say oh Tara's is missing ($XXXXXX) amount of money?

[cbcrime]

Luvs- don't know. But the same applies for money missing or unaccounted for. All that we can do is speculate. And we can speculate both ways. That is why I don't understand why this topic seems to be so upsetting. I think it could cut either way.

[Hey Paula]

I trust no one on a MB. Anyone can claim anything they choose to claim behind a computer screen.

I await announcements from the GBI/LE. Inasumuch as no official and confirmed reports have surfaced, that Tara had recently withdrew/borrowed considerable funds, prior to her disappearance, and inasmuch as the GBI has already indicated that they believe Tara might be the victim of foul play, I will assume the funds are intact and/or accounted for.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Luvs- don't know. But the same applies for money missing or unaccounted for. All that we can do is speculate. And we can speculate both ways. That is why I don't understand why this topic seems to be so upsetting. I think it could cut either way. I sense it makes some nervous. I don't really understand it myself, but when certain subjects are mentioned on this forum, it starts a storm of posts that usually ends up with threats and some trying real hard to derail the thread so that it closes. However, I think freshwater has learned really fast the intentions of some posters, hopefully she will see it and start hitting the ban button. I think the idea that this subject and the credit card activity and the missing overnight bag have all come up, allows us to explore things that can lead down many paths. Makes me wonder what more we don't know.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I trust no one on a MB. Anyone can claim anything they choose to claim behind a computer screen.

I await announcements from the GBI/LE. Inasumuch as no official and confirmed reports have surfaced, that Tara had recently withdrew/borrowed considerable funds, prior to her disappearance, and inasmuch as the GBI has already indicated that they believe Tara might be the victim of foul play, I will assume the funds are intact and/or accounted for.

Sounds like you just pick and choose what speculation you want to call facts.

The GBI/LE has never announced that Marcus yelled at Rhett Roberts and Tara from a street corner, but yet you kept using that as one of the "facts" to throw suspicion on Marcus Harper.

Law enforcement has also been consistent when saying there has been no evidence of a crime either.

:shrug:

[Elle_Woods]

M71, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was trying to be helpful and break the sources down by origin, how they came up in conversation, etc. In a previous post, you said - probably mistakenly or reading quickly - that BFD was the one who said that Tara had used the money to pay down credit cards or transfer a balance, whatever it was. So, I was pointing out to you that BroadwayJoe was the one who gave that information and explained why he or she went about trying to find that out - which, yes, was as a result of the things BFD had mentioned he heard or was told.

Yes, I see what you are saying about BFD having this information longer than BroadwayJoe had the newer credit card info and that the horse thing is important if true, which I can understand is why you want to focus on that. I do see where you are trying to go with the horse ad, that either she met up with some perp who placed false horse ads in order to pull in victims or someone else circled the ad and is now trying to use it as some red herring. I totally get what you are saying and there is definitely somewhere to go from there. I also agree with you that we should be curious as to how anyone even knew Tara is the one who circled the ad. If it just because the newspaper was in her house or even in her classroom and the ad was circled, that isn't enough for me to know that she specifically was the one who circled the ad. People pick up and leave behind used newspapers all the time in restaurants, coffee shops, and high school staff rooms, just to name a few places. Also, there seem to be two different versions of this story. One is that she told someone she was using the retirement fund money for the horse and the other is that this circled ad was around or came to be something picked up as evidence. I can't tell if these are coming from the same person to support their entire claim about the horse story or from two different people who incidentally have different tidbits about the 'buying a horse' situation. :shrug: But, yes, it should be explored either way to rule it in or out.

[mooloo]

I agree with your assessment. Tara's case may be high profile in South Georgia, but I don't think it has had a large amount of national/international coverage. Nothing close to the Holloway case, imoo. Tara could have made a few changes to her appearance and walk almost anywhere in the country...and possibly in some areas of South Georgia. Just because she hasn't been seen, made an appearance, doesn't mean she isn't out there, I hope.

Originally posted by guitarstring


Tara's case may only be high profile in Ocilla. (small town)
Tara's case may be high profile in Hawkinsville, GA. (small town)
Tara's case may be high profile in South Ga or AL where her dad and step mother live, but to say her case is high profile anywhere else is just being overly dramatic. There are many states and towns and millions of people who have never even heard her name, so I wanted to address the fact that she doesn't have to be hiding behind an Amish cloak to go unrecognized. I imagine she could walk the streets of most cities and towns and NOT be recognized. Not to mention how unrecognizable she would be in another country even. Come on. Sometimes, people need to think before they speak.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Luvs- don't know. But the same applies for money missing or unaccounted for. All that we can do is speculate. And we can speculate both ways. That is why I don't understand why this topic seems to be so upsetting. I think it could cut either way.

I don't think the topic is upsetting. I just think it seems hypocritical to question one source and not the other. If we're going to question BroadwayJoe or that girl who knew Jim Perry, then why is it not ok to want to know more about BFD's sources, just as an example since he or she appears to claim the most sources? It shouldn't be a fight with endless rounds of who's been involved in investigative work longer or my IQ is higher than yours. Just cite a source and preface the comment with something like 'this may be just a rumor, but'...What's wrong with approaching topics that way? That is what I don't understand. It is lovely that there are people who want to selectively support various posters and denote them the virtual expert, but it does not make any person's claims or sources more valid than anyone else who is making a claim or reports to have sources. IMO, everyone's sources should be evaluated. That is not to be taken as an insult by any one person who has sources, it is just the way it normally goes when someone steps up to the table with information and you do not have to be an investigator by profession to realize that. Most of these topics would go much smoother if everyone started from the main point of wanting to find Tara, you know the girl who is missing here, instead of coming up with new ways to defend POIs who have never even been arrested.

[Hey Paula]

This case has been covered by the major shows, which follow cases of missing persons and crimes. Off the top of my head, thus far I have seen Tara Grinstead's case covered on the following shows:

Court TV/CC, Nancy Grace, Greta Van Susteren, Montel Williams, AMW.

When major crime shows cover a case, I consider it to have the potential of being a high profile case, as most missing persons are not covered on any of these shows. The public has shown interest in this case, or the networks wouldn't cover it. The only reason this case hasn't taken off into super high profile status is because LE hasn't held PC's, nor have they sought the assistance of the public. Perhpas this case would have been solved if they had done so.

IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


I don't think the topic is upsetting. I just think it seems hypocritical to question one source and not the other. If we're going to question BroadwayJoe or that girl who knew Jim Perry, then why is it not ok to want to know more about BFD's sources, just as an example since he or she appears to claim the most sources? It shouldn't be a fight with endless rounds of who's been involved in investigative work longer or my IQ is higher than yours. Just cite a source and preface the comment with something like 'this may be just a rumor, but'...What's wrong with approaching topics that way? That is what I don't understand. It is lovely that there are people who want to selectively support various posters and denote them the virtual expert, but it does not make any person's claims or sources more valid than anyone else who is making a claim or reports to have sources. IMO, everyone's sources should be evaluated. That is not to be taken as an insult by any one person who has sources, it is just the way it normally goes when someone steps up to the table with information and you do not have to be an investigator by profession to realize that. Most of these topics would go much smoother if everyone started from the main point of wanting to find Tara, you know the girl who is missing here, instead of coming up with new ways to defend POIs who have never even been arrested.

I agree with you 100%. And as it isn't an insult to have one's source questioned, it should also not be taken as an insult when one refuses to divulge their source. Hence there is no way to "evaluate" one's source. At that point a person can decide whether to fluff the information off and forget about it, or they can discuss the information and see where it might lead. I've yet to see that happen regarding this information.

But, this particular point of speculation was clearly not stated as being factual in nature by myself. I used the words "alleged" in my posts because I have no way to corroborate any of it.

[jond]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


I don't think the topic is upsetting. I just think it seems hypocritical to question one source and not the other. If we're going to question BroadwayJoe or that girl who knew Jim Perry, then why is it not ok to want to know more about BFD's sources, just as an example since he or she appears to claim the most sources? It shouldn't be a fight with endless rounds of who's been involved in investigative work longer or my IQ is higher than yours. Just cite a source and preface the comment with something like 'this may be just a rumor, but'...What's wrong with approaching topics that way? That is what I don't understand. It is lovely that there are people who want to selectively support various posters and denote them the virtual expert, but it does not make any person's claims or sources more valid than anyone else who is making a claim or reports to have sources. IMO, everyone's sources should be evaluated. That is not to be taken as an insult by any one person who has sources, it is just the way it normally goes when someone steps up to the table with information and you do not have to be an investigator by profession to realize that. Most of these topics would go much smoother if everyone started from the main point of wanting to find Tara, you know the girl who is missing here, instead of coming up with new ways to defend POIs who have never even been arrested.

Its not upsetting at all, IMO rather refreshing in that it ( a person borrowing money, transferring credit card debt, or whatever ), much, much more believable than other stories floated. There is no conspiracy of silence as suggested. Look back at the Broadway Joe post, he/she was alone on his position except for one other poster fending off attacks on his information by others.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
This case has been covered by the major shows, which follow cases of missing persons and crimes. Off the top of my head, thus far I have seen Tara Grinstead's case covered on the following shows:

Court TV/CC, Nancy Grace, Greta Van Susteren, Montel Williams, AMW.

When major crime shows cover a case, I consider it to have the potential of being a high profile case, as most missing persons are not covered on any of these shows. The public has shown interest in this case, or the networks wouldn't cover it. The only reason this case hasn't taken off into super high profile status is because LE hasn't held PC's, nor have they sought the assistance of the public. Perhpas this case would have been solved if they had done so.

IMO

lol Exactly, and I'm sure that's what Tuscan Dreams was thinking of when she described Tara's case as high profile. Is it as high profile as Natalee Holloway, Laci Peterson or JonBenet Ramsey? No, it is probably on the lower end of the high profile spectrum, but any amount of coverage on a national tv program (in Tara's case, several programs) would raise the profile level. Not to mention that the Holloway, Peterson and Ramsey cases are pretty much exceptions to the rule. Also, as you mentioned, they involved more press conferences and pleads to the national audience for information (including the 'boycott aruba!' for Natalee campaign and MSNBC press conferences any time somebody farted during the Peterson fiasco).

None of those things are the norm in most missing person investigations. I would suggest to anyone that doubts this to open up the Charley Project website or Doe Network, could we all say we know all those people? I doubt it. I would say that Tara's story is probably about on the same level as Dru Sjodin or Tiffany Souers. Does everyone across the country know those girls? No, but their stories were covered on the national news shows described above and various people (probably in at least the hundreds if not thousands) throughout the country were aware of it. There are probably places and around some people where she could go undetected. Heck, Elizabeth Smart was pretty much high profile and she was walking the streets in Arab gear for almost a year. So, who knows. But, I do think Tara's story is well beyond the local Ocilla or Georgia state news level.

[luvmy2labpups]

Tara's case is most certainly NOT high profile. I have asked numerous people if they have followed this case and NONE of them had EVER even heard of Tara Grinstead. I had never even heard of Tara until BFD mentioned it. Just because one makes it to National News once or twice it does not make them high profile. Go ask your neighbors or friends if they have ever heard of this and I will bet you MOST if not ALL of them will say they have never heard of Tara. It is not something to fret over, it is what it is. Tara may be way more known to the local community but not everywhere. She could be hiding in plain sight and nobody would ever know. Could any of you tell me who was in your local news one month ago, 2 months ago, 10 months ago? Most of us couldn't even say who was on the national news 2 weeks ago without looking it up on google. Unless someone is in your face on the news repeatedly they are quickly lost in the next news story. It is unfortunate but not unusual.

[mooloo]

Thanks, Labby....I have been scratching my head trying to figure out how I was so horribly wrong about Tara's case not being high profile. I agree with you, a little mention here and there doesn't seem to be high profile. The other cases....Laci, Natalee, etc., were talked about on the Today Show and other such shows for a long time. Was Tara's ever given that kind of publicity? Not that I recall. I wish the situation were different, but it doesn't seem to be.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Tara's case is most certainly NOT high profile. I have asked numerous people if they have followed this case and NONE of them had EVER even heard of Tara Grinstead. I had never even heard of Tara until BFD mentioned it. Just because one makes it to National News once or twice it does not make them high profile. Go ask your neighbors or friends if they have ever heard of this and I will bet you MOST if not ALL of them will say they have never heard of Tara. It is not something to fret over, it is what it is. Tara may be way more known to the local community but not everywhere. She could be hiding in plain sight and nobody would ever know. Could any of you tell me who was in your local news one month ago, 2 months ago, 10 months ago? Most of us couldn't even say who was on the national news 2 weeks ago without looking it up on google. Unless someone is in your face on the news repeatedly they are quickly lost in the next news story. It is unfortunate but not unusual.

[grandline]

Sadly I have to agree that Tara's case is not high-profile. It SEEMS to be ever- present to us but we are the minority because most of us here surf crime sites and tune into the shows. Many Americans don't have cable, don't frequent crime boards and some don't even care for the news.

I cannot tell you how many times I've been in line at the checkout and been bombarded with images of Natalee or Laci on tabloid covers while Tara has only had one small inset photo.

Had someone not forwarded me her flyer, I might have never known myself. I don't have cable so I don't watch Montel, Greta, Nancy Grace or Carla Baron.

The best we can do is work to keep getting Tara's face out there and seen. We can keep her name alive until she is brought home. The people have the power to do what the media will not, that is, if they are willing to and don't just want Tara to "go away".

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by barry9120
On today's Montel there will be a rerun episode featuring Tara's case. I didn't see the first run but I'll be tuning in this afternoon. It's strange how some families keep things out there to remind folks and other families just don't. I know that Tara's family has their own lives to live but come on, how many parents would just sit back and let things unfold on their own accord rather than making things happen. If my daughter was missing, I'd be shouting from the rooftops demanding LE to devote whatever resources necessary to find her. Not sure what the latest thoughts are from the Gr family but it's clear that AG and crew were real quick to accept Baron's and Godwin's assertions that TG is dead. Their willingness to buy into the Tara is dead theory so quickly makes me wonder why? What do they know that gives them this comfort zone to accept the worse in spite of the lack of evidence to support an abduction/murder theory? Hmmmmm...........there is, without a doubt, more to this than meets the eye and certainly more than we'll ever be privy to! Here's to "Truth, justice and the American way":patriot: ;)

Good thoughts Barry. I missed the first run of Montel, since I am home today I will look up the schedule.

I am in the "camp" that thinks this is not a high profile case.

This has all the ingredients the tabloids would want to sink their teeth in, or so I would have thought....a beauty queen missing, break up with b/f..connections to LE, claims of coverups by LE.

Something has stopped them (the tabloids) in their tracks. It is my opinion that someone high up...either in LE or Family has said "off the record" to the media that there is no story here, she just wants some privacy.

This is just my opinion, the "link" is in my thoughts.

[PNut]

I have followed this case from day 1 - NO ONE I know, knows who Tara is...and I have tv/news savvy friends - none of them have ever heard of her. It's really sad. :(

I imagine if Tara chopped that long hair into a 2" spikey do - and bleached it white/blonde - she could walk up to ME and I'd probably never know it was her! ;) Oh yeah, she could easily be alive and well, in most any place but Georgia.

[Hey Paula]

What difference does it make who heard of Tara Grinstead? Who cares? How will that help solve this case?

According to some posters on the Natalee Holloway board (the ones who think J2K are innocent) most people never heard of Natalee Holloway, if you can believe that!

[fsbiii]

Did you really type this?

Originally posted by Hey Paula
What difference does it make who heard of Tara Grinstead? Who cares? How will that help solve this case?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Did you really type this?



What is the point of going on, post after post, about whether or not this is a high profile case? How will that help solve this case? It is up to LE to engage the public, not us.

[fsbiii]

So we shouldn't forward her flyer to everyone we know or tell everyone we know to check out her websites? You've thoroughly lost me. The point is finding her...AND...finding out what happened (if anything happened). You disregard the first part and only go for the latter, Paula? Damn. "Solving the case" just might involved exposure to Tara's face by as many people as possible... right?



Originally posted by Hey Paula


What is the point of going on, post after post, about whether or not this is a high profile case? How will that help solve this case? It is up to LE to engage the public, not us.

[grandline]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
What difference does it make who heard of Tara Grinstead? Who cares? How will that help solve this case?


Wow. Just wow. I can't believe I just read that.

It makes a HUGE difference.

1)Identify those who DON'T know that Tara is missing (yes, a daunting task but every little bit helps...and no effort is ever perfect so we shouldn't criticize)

2) Get info to those target demographics (distribute flyers, get the local news media interested, link to community websites, add her name to church prayer lists, pass on links to Tara sites through emails, etc).

3) People will learn and will care (look at the following even after nearly a year? There are plenty of people who care, but they have to know she is missing first!)

4)The right person in the right place at the right time may find Tara, God willing.

:patriot:

[fsbiii]

Shhh!!! "It's up to LE to engage the public, not us." Don't be giving anyone any ideas, grandline. Goodness gracious!!

Informing the public of these things and trying to make Tara's case more high profile MIGHT mean she's found alive somewhere. Some apparently don't want the happy ending because it doesn't fit the theory of choice.

Humanity at its finest, IMO.

Originally posted by grandline


Wow. Just wow. I can't believe I just read that.

It makes a HUGE difference.

1)Identify those who DON'T know that Tara is missing (yes, a daunting task but every little bit helps...and no effort is ever perfect so we shouldn't criticize)

2) Get info to those target demographics (distribute flyers, get the local news media interested, link to community websites, add her name to church prayer lists, pass on links to Tara sites through emails, etc).

3) People will learn and will care (look at the following even after nearly a year? There are plenty of people who care, but they have to know she is missing first!)

4)The right person in the right place at the right time may find Tara, God willing.

:patriot:

[Elle_Woods]

I'm only guessing, but I think Paula was referring specifically to this thread and the gang mentality that erupted just to 'prove' certain people wrong in that Tara's story isn't high profile - which, btw, one could argue is a subjective perception. I could say the same thing about asking people that I know whether they've ever heard of Tara and it would be still true, that they have heard of Tara Grinstead from watching some of the programs we've discussed. You wouldn't have to believe it or think it's accurate, but that doesn't make it any more or less a true claim (provable on the internet anyway) than the other claim about people not knowing Tara, since we all obviously know different people.

There is no reason to keep using extreme high profile examples like Natalee Holloway, Laci or JBR. I already said that she obviously was not on that level. A person's story can be broadcast nationally and reach national audiences without attaining the insane level of coverage that situations like the Holloway case have attracted. It doesn't mean that they have not captured any attention on the national level, which (again) many, many missing people do not even get a blurb of the time that Tara has gotten on national news - so YES that does raise the level of awareness about her case to the national level.

Also, you are forgetting about people who watch national news on tv, but do not participate on internet discussion forums. Some people are just not comfortable typing in live chat/board format or just are not familiar with computers much at all. I know many people who have seen Tara on those shows and knew who I meant, but had no idea that there were internet forums to discuss the news. The important thing is that they are watching the news and know, thanks to the amazing invention of national cable news, enough to make the ever-important visual connection.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by barry9120
My God fbsiii, how close to the core have you hit!! For some reason it's easier for those on the ground in Ocilla and her family to accept that Tara is dead! This case needs to be pushed out in front of the publicity cycle and it always should have been out there a long time ago. Just like Brian Shaffer in Ohio, Deirdre Harm in Wisconsin, etc.

Let me just say this: I have a daughter, she goes missing, I sit back and let LE take control. HELL NO!!! I'd be LE's worse enemy! I'd be all over it like white on rice. Just like so many other mothers would be. My dad is a retired NYPD CAPT, Detective Division. I can just see him sitting back letting things happen. The way the family approached this case from the outset was more along the lines of a "Tara is dead. Let's find her body." They never seriously entertained the scenario that Tara left of own accord. It tells me that there was a lot more going on than we'll ever know.:mad:

Wait, I thought they were doing too much, too soon - with trying to reach her on Sunday and conducting their own searches, now they've done too little and supposedly left it all up to the police? Can we get some consistency here in these opinions or what? :shrug:

[KittyMom]

http://www.trsga.com/

Unless its changed in the past couple of years, you can't touch your retirement acct unless you quit or have become vested (10 yrs of service). However, employees of the State of GA are offered the opportunity to establish a VALIC acct with payroll deductions. That money you can get to. Of course you'll pay a penality for early withdrawal.

moo

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by KittyMom
http://www.trsga.com/

Unless its changed in the past couple of years, you can't touch your retirement acct unless you quit or have become vested (10 yrs of service). However, employees of the State of GA are offered the opportunity to establish a VALIC acct with payroll deductions. That money you can get to. Of course you'll pay a penality for early withdrawal.

moo

Interesting. Thanks, KittyMom!

[mtpockets]

Originally posted by OliverTwist
Maybe she used the money to get MH out of trouble again.
:confused:

I am curious OT as to the statement above. You seem to know about Tara's finances as you mentioned "again" as if you had prior knowledge of her and MH's personal financial matters. You chose to bring that information to this board so please explain.

[PNut]

Originally posted by Results


Thank you! I have said this about AG/LG from the get go and all I ever get is attacked for saying something bad about the family. There are answers there but we won't ever know what those answers are. JMHO

Exactly! :beer: They want JUSTICE for Tara - they KNOW a crime was committed to want Justice for???

[mooloo]

And there are others besides VALIC that can be done through payroll deduction, too. But...the same sort of thing..

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


Interesting. Thanks, KittyMom!

[Elle_Woods]

I've never really understand what's wrong to say that you want justice for Tara. I don't think I've ever known any people close to a missing person who did not say that at one point or time, even if their family member was still 'just' missing. Justice comes in many forms. Like getting a fair, unbias, and thorough investigation for one, which I've yet to really see.

[jond]

5 day given...to support the theory that TG voluntarily left and now, nothing. The retirement account, loan, and despite what some may think, the M71 tie in with the horse ad, and its all dropped by the wayside. Global wiring of funds, loans, tangible topics, not innuendo or gossip of family relationships. Where did it all go? Of all the possibilites and wild stories, these two are left to float in the wind...if a story cannot be continued, maybe there is not a story at all. The M71 thread on the horse is the only topic, IMO, with a future. I do think the answer is much more simple, but M71's may even play an angle of the unknown, Door #6.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
I've never really understand what's wrong to say that you want justice for Tara. I don't think I've ever known any people close to a missing person who did not say that at one point or time, even if their family member was still 'just' missing. Justice comes in many forms. Like getting a fair, unbias, and thorough investigation for one, which I've yet to really see.

Just curious, but have you been debriefed by the authorities regarding their actions?

I will guarantee you that the family hasn't been debriefed nor told half of what law enforcement knows.

So, I think it's somewhat premature to judge an investigation, just due to the fact you haven't seen the results you want to see.

Until the nuts and bolts of the investigation are known to the public, we don't have the slightest idea whether they're doing one hell of a job; or if they're sucking wind big time.

[BikerBabe]

Nice to see you BFD. I hope this finds you feeling better. Saw a post a couple days ago that said you had been sick.

[janis]

I can tell by the post, BFD is feeling better.....:)

Good to see ya, you have been missed!

[BFD - v2.0]

Thanks. I am feeling somewhat better, not quite 100%.

I got to reading because I understand people are getting other posters confused with me.

I can guarandamntee everyone that I only have one nick. I have no reason for another one. I am not shy to say whatever I want to say. No need for another nick to do so.

Back on topic...

Until there is an arrest or until Tara is found, no one will be able to ascertain the performance of law enforcement in this case.

[Saskatoon]

Same body as mentioned on prior thread!

http://www.herald-leader.net/

"A man working on renovations at Sibyl’s Lounge on Bowen’s Mill Highway wandered into an abandoned building adjacent to the lounge on Friday. Ben Hill County Sheriff’s Investigator Patrick Hogan said the man was terrified when he discovered a badly decayed human body. “The GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) was to receive the body at their Moultrie crime lab today,” Hogan noted Monday morning. Officials are suspicious that the body could be that of an Abbeville man reported missing May 23. “We can’t prove that conclusively yet,” Hogan observed. “The body is very badly decomposed. In fact we can’t say whether it’s a man or a woman at this point.”

[Babes]

Thanks for the link....

I hope they can figure out soon the identity of that body

[fsbiii]

Earlier accounts referred to the body as "he," based on clothing or shoes I believe. Confirmation would be nice to rule this out completely.

[BroadwayJoe]

white male.

[Elle_Woods]

Are there any articles that state they've determined the body to be that of a male? Sounds like as of today they were still unsure... :(

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Just curious, but have you been debriefed by the authorities regarding their actions?

I will guarantee you that the family hasn't been debriefed nor told half of what law enforcement knows.

So, I think it's somewhat premature to judge an investigation, just due to the fact you haven't seen the results you want to see.

Until the nuts and bolts of the investigation are known to the public, we don't have the slightest idea whether they're doing one hell of a job; or if they're sucking wind big time.


As I stated before, justice is not just about getting someone convicted in a court of law. There is no reason to take the word justice to it's most literal extreme just because, for whatever reason, certain people don't like this family. I have no idea why you think it is that people need to be "debriefed" by the authorities to want justice for a missing person. Based on that theory, there definitely would be a lot more family members in jail if stating outloud that they wanted justice for their loved one always meant something sinister.

Why is it that every little thing, no matter how uncontroversial, has to turn into some bigger argument here? The list just keeps narrowing down on what can and can not be said until it's argued to death...no use of justice, high profile, victim (must be called a missing person)..gosh, what else? Before long, we'll be referring to her without a name and just as 'the teacher formerly known as miss sweet potato'. :shrug:

You have no idea what the results are that I "want to see", as far as I can see all you have are generalizations made about anyone who does not agree with or say what you "want to see" happen and then the labeling of people just keeps on from there. All I can say is that I'm glad all I've had to see is the virtual side of it, too skeery to know what the heck happens if someone disagrees with you all in real life. :chicken:

[Results]

I DO NOT LIKE AG OR LG! I don't know them and I don't know anyone in Ocilla to say this or that about them. I saw the interviews and I read the articles of their interviews. Now I will say it again look beyond Ocilla! I'm going to take this step by step. MHu was on her way to Ocilla to Tara's house and arrived at Tara's house AM. FG was waiting by the phone at her home. Who in Hawkinsville knows Tara better than MHu? Who was talking to AG and whoever to tell them information about MH? Where the hell was HD? In Hawkinsville? Did HD go home that night after being at Tara's or did he go to Hawkinsville? Why can't those questions be answered? They are very important. JMHO

[gacountry]

Originally posted by Saskatoon
Same body as mentioned on prior thread!

http://www.herald-leader.net/

"A man working on renovations at Sibyl’s Lounge on Bowen’s Mill Highway wandered into an abandoned building adjacent to the lounge on Friday. Ben Hill County Sheriff’s Investigator Patrick Hogan said the man was terrified when he discovered a badly decayed human body. “The GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) was to receive the body at their Moultrie crime lab today,” Hogan noted Monday morning. Officials are suspicious that the body could be that of an Abbeville man reported missing May 23. “We can’t prove that conclusively yet,” Hogan observed. “The body is very badly decomposed. In fact we can’t say whether it’s a man or a woman at this point.”

The Hearld Leader is the weekly paper for Fitzgerald. This would be the initial report and interview with Hogan. Their next update would be after the paper comes out today since Wednesday is the day they deliver the weekly papers.

[fsbiii]

The link to the paper website says "COMING IN THE SEPTEMBER 13TH EDITION" followed by the article above. If there is something new in the September 13th printed paper, someone please post about it. The article sounds like Hogan stated this on Monday, 9-11-06.

Originally posted by gacountry


The Hearld Leader is the weekly paper for Fitzgerald. This would be the initial report and interview with Hogan. Their next update would be after the paper comes out today since Wednesday is the day they deliver the weekly papers.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by fsbiii
The link to the paper website says "COMING IN THE SEPTEMBER 13TH EDITION" followed by the article above. If there is something new in the September 13th printed paper, someone please post about it. The article sounds like Hogan stated this on Monday, 9-11-06.



Not a lot more in todays Fitzgerald Hearld, the body ws sent to the crime lab in Moultrie on Monday. Very badly decomposed, officials are suspicious that it could be an Abbeville man reported missing May 23. GBI will use fingerprint information given by Ben Hill County Sheriffs dept. "On a body in this state, the process takes some time to do, so I can't say for sure when we will know. Hopeful;ly in a few days ", Hogan observed. He added that relatives of the Abbeville man have been advisedthat the body could be tht of the missing man.

Thats about it hope that helps.

[PNut]

Sounds like their pretty confident it is a male.

[Khaos]

OH MY GOSH, stop the presses. FSBII and Gacountry posted on the same thread and there was no nastiness just pleasantries.. miracles do happen. Nice work ya'll. I love when you play this way.

:beer:

[heartskeep]

Earlier in the week, it was reported by WALB that the body WAS a male. (I tried looking for the story there on the current news page but apparently already an archived story.) With the report in this week's Herald-Leader, it appears they may have jumped the gun a little bit. I sure hope they identify the body, whoever it is, soon, and give some family the closure they need. Having a sister murdered was one of the most awful things I've had to experience (not to mention the toll it has taken on our parents), but I cannot imagine the horror these families go through when their loved one just disappears without any trace!

[fsbiii]

Here's the WALB story from 9-8-06:

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=5384755

*snip> "Sheriff Bobby McLemore believes the body had been there four to six months. He thinks it's a white man reported missing from a nearby county. Investigators have no idea yet how he died."

Originally posted by heartskeep
Earlier in the week, it was reported by WALB that the body WAS a male. (I tried looking for the story there on the current news page but apparently already an archived story.) With the report in this week's Herald-Leader, it appears they may have jumped the gun a little bit. I sure hope they identify the body, whoever it is, soon, and give some family the closure they need. Having a sister murdered was one of the most awful things I've had to experience (not to mention the toll it has taken on our parents), but I cannot imagine the horror these families go through when their loved one just disappears without any trace!

[Babes]

Take it with a grain of salt since it came from just a "prediction" but what can you say about this brian's prediction on Tara G?


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http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings069.htm

Tara was murdered by a man with the initials J.K.S. and he was paid $5,000 by her ex-boyfriend to do so. The killer (above) has a round tattoo on his right arm, a kitchen knife was the murder weapon and he stabbed her 27 times with it (I saw this)

She was taken from a white house with bricks at 11:36 PM. I think that the motivate for this murder was Tara breaking up with her boyfriend do to 'weight gain'

J.K.S.'s DNA can be found at this house...its on a red dog collar of a German Sheppard.

She was taken from this house by a red truck, the numbers 6 and might be on the license plate

She was buried 3 feet in the ground and a remote wooded location. The area has already been searched, but she was not found, she is still there. I also think that the killer might visit this area soon to move the bones.

SUGGESTION:

You will find the body soon and the killer knows this....catch the killer first.

Brian
If there is a highway 520 near her house, it might be that. I have done the best I can for right now.

Brian

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Babes
Take it with a grain of salt since it came from just a "prediction" but what can you say about this brian's prediction on Tara G?


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http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings069.htm

Tara was murdered by a man with the initials J.K.S. and he was paid $5,000 by her ex-boyfriend to do so. The killer (above) has a round tattoo on his right arm, a kitchen knife was the murder weapon and he stabbed her 27 times with it (I saw this)

She was taken from a white house with bricks at 11:36 PM. I think that the motivate for this murder was Tara breaking up with her boyfriend do to 'weight gain'

J.K.S.'s DNA can be found at this house...its on a red dog collar of a German Sheppard.

She was taken from this house by a red truck, the numbers 6 and might be on the license plate

She was buried 3 feet in the ground and a remote wooded location. The area has already been searched, but she was not found, she is still there. I also think that the killer might visit this area soon to move the bones.

SUGGESTION:

You will find the body soon and the killer knows this....catch the killer first.

Brian
If there is a highway 520 near her house, it might be that. I have done the best I can for right now.

Brian


When he can predict me winning a huge lottery, and I do win, I will put some thought to this prediction.

:seeya:

[zorro]

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_256221551.html?keyword=topstory

[Results]

IMO a hitman does not stab his victim 27 times. That would be more of a rage killing or an over kill. That is just my opinion. One more thing MH and Tara were broke up almost a year when she disappeared. She dated several men so who was her ex-boyfriend at that time she vanished? JMO

[mooloo]

From what we have read on the boards, I don't think there was just one ex- or present boyfriend.

Originally posted by Results
IMO a hitman does not stab his victim 27 times. That would be more of a rage killing or an over kill. That is just my opinion. One more thing MH and Tara were broke up almost a year when she disappeared. She dated several men so who was her ex-boyfriend at that time she vanished? JMO

[Results]

This Brian also said that NH is alive and well.

[Moms4Justice]

Originally posted by Results
This Brian also said that NH is alive and well.

He also predicted where Nataleigh Cross was at and was correct.
http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings071.htm

and Purvis Parker & Quadrevion Henning
http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings012.htm


here is one for you SQ.......... Woman wins lottery
http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/4304.htm

If you doubt Brian PLEASE read this one he was also very correct about John Karr not being JonBenet Ramsey murderer and his motive for the confession.
http://www.briansprediction.com/pri/remote137.htm

I get his predictions in my email so I can honestly say that he does NOT change his dates on anything.....many people get his emails so it would be impossible for him to do that.(just in case that accusation comes up) I could go on and on with his correct predictions. I am not saying I think he is 100% correct on Tara's RV but after all that I have read I put more confidence in him than any other person.
p.s. results i agree she dated others besides MH but what other ex was in a bar that night?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Moms4Justice


He also predicted where Nataleigh Cross was at and was correct.
http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings071.htm

and Purvis Parker & Quadrevion Henning
http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings012.htm


here is one for you SQ.......... Woman wins lottery
http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/4304.htm

If you doubt Brian PLEASE read this one he was also very correct about John Karr not being JonBenet Ramsey murderer and his motive for the confession.
http://www.briansprediction.com/pri/remote137.htm

I get his predictions in my email so I can honestly say that he does NOT change his dates on anything.....many people get his emails so it would be impossible for him to do that.(just in case that accusation comes up) I could go on and on with his correct predictions. I am not saying I think he is 100% correct on Tara's RV but after all that I have read I put more confidence in him than any other person.
p.s. results i agree she dated others besides MH but what other ex was in a bar that night?

We don't have information on any ex being at a bar except MH but that does not mean one was not at one. Irwin Co do not have a bar to my knowledge at the present tiem. There was one that may have been open when Tara disappeared. Not sure exactly what kind of establishment it was but it was a bar type business and I believe the name was Dana' Place. There is also another bar that some local go to that is Willacoochee, Ga where Hwy 520 (520 is in Brians Pred.)run directly through. I may need correcting but I think the 520/82 hwy runs from Brunswick Ga to Columbus and sometimes refered to corridor Z. The name of the bar in Willacoochee kind of odd which is "NO Name Bar" Just some thoughts.

[Rick Karon]

I picked five NFL games right last week.

[Esah]

Very good info, It's just Me. This is where alibi's from our poi's would come in handy! We just don't know what the poi's were up to that night and that just makes it so much harder.

How about a surveilance video at this No Name hang out? But I don't suppose after all this time that they would still have it. It still might be worth a phone call.

We just have to follow every morsel of info that comes from any source right now. There just aren't enough facts out there to work with. Brian is trying to help and that is greatly appreciated.

[Esah]

FWIW, I just called the No Name Bar in Willacoochee and they said they do not have any type of video surveillance, but that they would be glad to help in any way.

[fsbiii]

No surveillance at the No Name Bar. Might not even be a phone there, either! It draws a crowd every now and then on Saturday nights when one of the local bands plays (every few months); otherwise, it's not a happening spot.

Originally posted by Esah
Very good info, It's just Me. This is where alibi's from our poi's would come in handy! We just don't know what the poi's were up to that night and that just makes it so much harder.

How about a surveilance video at this No Name hang out? But I don't suppose after all this time that they would still have it. It still might be worth a phone call.

We just have to follow every morsel of info that comes from any source right now. There just aren't enough facts out there to work with. Brian is trying to help and that is greatly appreciated.

[The R]

Originally posted by Results
IMO a hitman does not stab his victim 27 times. That would be more of a rage killing or an over kill. That is just my opinion. One more thing MH and Tara were broke up almost a year when she disappeared. She dated several men so who was her ex-boyfriend at that time she vanished? JMO

I agree with the 27 time thing not being a hit man but maybe Brian picked up on the 'story' that the ex was gonna tell if he was caught? An ex could possibly have the rage needed....JMO.....


R

[Babes]

Originally posted by Moms4Justice



p.s. results i agree she dated others besides MH but what other ex was in a bar that night?

we dont even know where RR is that night as well... and the rest of the other men involved.... I wonder if the "weight gain" he is talking about is "pregnancy".. Could it be that Tara is pregnant with somebody else and not that Ex?

[Babes]

Originally posted by Results
IMO a hitman does not stab his victim 27 times. That would be more of a rage killing or an over kill. That is just my opinion. One more thing MH and Tara were broke up almost a year when she disappeared. She dated several men so who was her ex-boyfriend at that time she vanished? JMO


If the hitman is on drugs and insane then anything is possible...

[Esah]

Found the No Name Bar's number off the internet and they actually answered it to!!

[Babes]

Anybody have a J.K.S initials in this town or a nearby town maybe?

[fsbiii]

I see! You are good! :)

Originally posted by Esah
Found the No Name Bar's number off the internet and they actually answered it to!!

[cbcrime]

On the page where it is talking about the body being hidden - are the initials ASTS - that is what Brian believes - could ASTS stand for aboveground storage tanks. (When googling - this is one that came up.) He also mentions Hunters BBQ - a 520 which isjustme said is a highway. Could this be a marker of some sort. Are there any of these types of tanks around this area?

[Its just me]

I hope someone can figure how the information that Brian has given is connected to Tara disappearance. I personally don't put a lot of confidence in this type of thing. I admit I have not followed Brian so I can't say how many times he has been correct. I do know there is not enough information in his RV on Tara that point to a particular spot that will lead us to Tara. If there is I will just eat my words and send praises to the one who puts the puzzle together and have more faith in this type thing.
I have to look at what we know and why these things keep disappearing off this board. There were sighting of a black truck and a dark truck. HD was one of the last people to talk to Tara and was at her house again early hours Monday morning. 12:15 according to Dr. Godwin. If the LE/GBI have ruled out these things (which for some reason they have not released this information) I could get more serious in looking beyond anything not connected with black truck, dark truck, HD call, and HD being at house. I can not say anyone connected with the trucks or HD harmed or helped Tara but no one can deny that are not some of the last things connected to Tara. MHOO