Why did people instantly assume Karr was guilty??

[circulon]

I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

[breezy1234]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...


And there is no proof the Ramseys are guilty either BUT that sure doesn't stop people from saying they ARE. :shrug:

[harz]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

Karr is mental ill, like the real killer who wrote the ransom note. So many people assumed him. But the only different is, Karr isnt ashame of himself by telling everyone his fantasy over little girls. The real killer doesn't want anyone to know his pedophile fantasy, so he wrote the ransom note to get away with just kidnapping, or maybe burglary charge too, in case he got caught. I didn't assumed Karr before the DNA result because of him being proud telling everyone how he had sex with JonBenet, real killer wouldn't after I read his ransom note carefully.

[circulon]

Very true Harz.

And breezy, its true that there's no hard proof of the ramsey's guilt, but there is alot of evidence that points to them quite clearly that simply hasnt been allowed to be analysed, IMO.
So, many people can form an opinion that RDI due to plenty of research and reading. But there's not alot of research material out there that points at JMK.
Once again, MOO.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

Are you saying there are STILL people saying they think Karr is guilty???

Try reading some of the later Karr threads if you don't grasp the reasons why many thought he was guilty at first, or if you don't grasp that when more info came out about hime, people started thinking he was a nut and there was a good chance he wasn't guilty.

In a nutshell, (pun intended), at first, Karr was an unknown entity. All the public knew was that the Boulder DA had reason to suspect him and evidence enough to get an arrest warrant and have Thailand officials pull him in. Even the media was talking that way, as if there was a good likelyhood Karr was guilty, when he was first arrested.

Then we heard that he confessed, and even saw him say in his own words that he was there when JonBenet died. We had no clue he was mentally ill at the begininning. It's only human for many people to have thought there was a good chance he was guilty.

But, we're intelligent people for the most part. As more and more facts came out about him, and we got more glimpses at how he acted, fewer and fewer people still thought he was guilty.

By the time he was sent from CA to Boulder, not many people at all thought he was guilty.

[harz]

Originally posted by MyrDawn

Then we heard that he confessed, and even saw him say in his own words that he was there when JonBenet died. We had no clue he was mentally ill at the begininning. It's only human for many people to have thought there was a good chance he was guilty.


first clue to me was when he said "I love JonBenet", its was good enough for me. If he really love her, he wouldnt sexual assaulted and murdered her, the real killer wouldn't say "I love JonBenet". When Karr said it was an accident, I knew he was having some delusional images.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by harz


first clue to me was when he said "I love JonBenet", its was good enough for me. If he really love her, he wouldnt sexual assaulted and murdered her, the real killer wouldn't say "I love JonBenet". When Karr said it was an accident, I knew he was having some delusional images.

Do you think all "love" is good, pure and innocent? Have you never heard of anyone killing someone they "love" with the reason..."If I can't have you, nobody can"? Have you never heard of a stalker that was delusional and thinks they "love" their victim? Some of them even think their victim loves them and they have a relationship. Yet, sometimes they end up killing their "loved" one or attempting to kill them. Do the names Robert Bardo and Rebecca Schaeffer ring a bell?

And, if you want a real eye-opener, do some research and see how many killers claim it was an "accident"!

[oldshirley]

Umm, my guess is people assumed he was guilty (myself included) from the "get go" (to coin a NG phrase) for the following reasons:
1. We wanted this horrible murder solved.
2. He said he did it.
3. He's a freak where kids are concerned and I'd be willing to bet he HAS hurt children in the past and will continue to hurt them if he's not incarcerated (jmo of course).
4. The media hype.

all jmo

[Seveb]

Originally posted by breezy1234



And there is no proof the Ramseys are guilty either BUT that sure doesn't stop people from saying they ARE. :shrug:

Where's the "applause" ... "standing ovation" icon? Bravo, very well said.

[hohum]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

No one wanted to be guilty more than JMK. And whether he is or not doesn't mean the Ramsey's are guilty. The Ramsey's were the scapegoats for a botched investigation.

[msgatorslayer]

Former JonBenet suspect wants fast hearing on child-port charges

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/article.aspx?storyid=38951

[Paisley]

Originally posted by hohum


No one wanted to be guilty more than JMK. And whether he is or not doesn't mean the Ramsey's are guilty. The Ramsey's were the scapegoats for a botched investigation. Me too and now that he's pretty much been cleared, I'm not going to go on for the next ten years extrapilating on how he COULD be guilty like people have done to the Ramseys all these years.

Amazing how people will give a freaky pedophile the benefit of the doubt and not the parents of a little girl.

[breezy1234]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
Former JonBenet suspect wants fast hearing on child-port charges

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/article.aspx?storyid=38951

Then WHY didn't he face the charges back in 2001 if he wanted a "fast hearing"??

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by circulon
Very true Harz.

And breezy, its true that there's no hard proof of the ramsey's guilt, but there is alot of evidence that points to them quite clearly that simply hasnt been allowed to be analysed, IMO.
So, many people can form an opinion that RDI due to plenty of research and reading. But there's not alot of research material out there that points at JMK.
Once again, MOO. What evidence against the Ramseys is there left to be analyzed? Heck....everything about them has been analyzed from how and when Patsy made her morning coffee...to how she was dressed....etc.? :confused: What else is there?

[breezy1234]

Originally posted by LadyFisher
What evidence against the Ramseys is there left to be analyzed? Heck....everything about them has been analyzed from how and when Patsy made her morning coffee...to how she was dressed....etc.? :confused: What else is there?

That is so true. I have never heard of any "suspect" being analyzed and each word and movement form that day until this scrutinized as closley as the Ramseys were. My gosh BPD even went back to their grade school days to try to find some dirt on them. Colorado tax payers spent close to 2 million dollars "analyzing" the Ramseys and STILL can't find anything to prove them guilty.

[lisafremont]

All I had to go on was common sense and that's why I didn't think he was the culprit. And it turns out I was right.

[mrman]

Did anyone see the editorial cartoon a few days ago. It had Karr sitting at a desk saying that he is the one who killed Natalee Holloway and a Boulder police telling him that they are not sending him to Aruba. Funny but not. I was ashamed that I laughed; however, couldn't help myself.

[harz]

Originally posted by MyrDawn


Do you think all "love" is good, pure and innocent? Have you never heard of anyone killing someone they "love" with the reason..."If I can't have you, nobody can"? Have you never heard of a stalker that was delusional and thinks they "love" their victim? Some of them even think their victim loves them and they have a relationship. Yet, sometimes they end up killing their "loved" one or attempting to kill them. Do the names Robert Bardo and Rebecca Schaeffer ring a bell?

And, if you want a real eye-opener, do some research and see how many killers claim it was an "accident"!

Karr’s love toward children in sexual ways is not normal, its mental illness. Ex-con pedophile and child murder would say it was an accident. Person with mental illness usually believes it was accident in any forms they done on victims or want other people to believe it to their favors. After I looked up on other cases like Polly Klaas, Jessica Lunford, or other victims, I realized if we got together or rally against and blame Ramseys for it which make us a flock believing to sociopath Richard Davis read during his formal hearing claiming that Polly had said to Richard "Just don’t do me like my Dad" just before Richard killed her, implying that Polly's father was child molester. Or John Couey claimed Jessica wasn’t a virgin when he raped as he described in disturbing ways why she wasn’t and that she smiled on him. They would say such things to throw people off them. This pedophile who murdered JonBenet is no different from these sickos. Karr has mental illness, I do not know if he had any victims, but if not then it’s a good thing that he might be trying to get help by saying such radical things before his growing obsessions got all over him.

[Athena]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

Did you also read the many threads and comments of people who do support the Ramsey's but were skeptical of John Karr? I believe alot of people just wanted to see justice and were holding out hope no matter what side they were on. Just my $.02

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...

I didn't instantly decide he was guilty, just like I didn't instantly decide that ONE of the Ramseys was guilty. I waited to see what evidence Mary Lacy had against Karr, which turned out to be none.

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by MyrDawn




But, we're intelligent people for the most part. As more and more facts came out about him, and we got more glimpses at how he acted, fewer and fewer people still thought he was guilty.

By the time he was sent from CA to Boulder, not many people at all thought he was guilty.

I initially assumed that the DA had to have some real evidence
(silly me). However, that first night when I saw him on
the news, I knew he was a kook. So did everyone I spoke
to the next day. By the time they moved him to Boulder, I was
just scratching my head wondering WHAT the DA could possibly
thinking. Then, of course I got my answer, She wasn't.

[Holly]

Originally posted by circulon
I dont know how many threads and comments i've read where people have said "see, obviously the Ramsey's didnt do it coz they have this guy now".
I mean, yes, he confessed, but it was dodgy from the start, and that was plain to see.

I've read book reviews, south park reviews, forum threads by the scores, all saying "And you should all be ashamed for accusing the Ramseys", when there was no real proof that JMK did it at all!

Just my two cents on that matter...
"Why did people instantly assume Karr was guilty??"
For exactly the same reason many people thought Virginia McMartin, the Buckeys, and the other teachers at the school were guilty,
For the same reason the majority thought Simpson was quilty the minute the discovery of the bodies were found
For the same reason many people "knew in their guts" that Scott Peterson had killed his wife the instant it was announced she was missing, long before the body was found.


Far too few people are from the great "Show Me" state, Missouri.

[Paisley]

Originally posted by lisafremont
All I had to go on was common sense and that's why I didn't think he was the culprit. And it turns out I was right. I had high hopes, that somehow the needle in the haystack popped up...nothing wrong with hope.