CLR: Renee Fox, 25, Found: Bones Identified as Hers

[curiousfriend]

Thank you Witchita for your insight, you seem very knowledged in that area, I appreciate you educating me a bit on how procedures may take place. I also wondered about animal attacks on her body, I never did hear if things like, her eyes being pecked out by voltures, (sorry to sound so graphic) but I believe that is the first part of the body usually attacked. And just how decomposed was she, 6 weeks in the desert sun seems awfully long, I would think only bones would remain. And nobody ever noticed voltures circleing above her body, or do they not do that up there. My friend and her brothers were up there the first week she went missing, and cannot believe her body was found there, where they had been riding right by. But than that just adds to the many other strange and unanswered questions.

[LetsBeConcerned]

Yes i hated to mention exhumations and the like, but the conspiracy going on there, does lead me to think along the lines of 'on every level' I'm also thinking of the Harold Shipman case, where, once his crimes came to light, exhumations had to be done, and only then did they realise the enormity of his crimes!

LetsBeConcerned, it is very worrying in Shaleen's case, there are many, many who commit suicide, how many do so by knife? and certainly no need to go out into the desert to do so. As nothing is really being published, how can anyone even start getting justice for her also.

Hi BlueFox,… here are some links that I put together… It is not complete, nor
is it current since the last article written on Shaleen was back in July; I
believe they said we would hear something in August… Well, August has come and
gone and still nothing~!!!

Shaleen was an American Indian and should be respected as a person and
not insulted with racial stereotypes such as suicide.

If the authorities cannot match the knife with the wounds then that is even
more reason to call it a crime~!!!

Body
July 28, 2006
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/article_106.shtml


Post for July 29, 2006 Inyo Register….. Orange County did the autopsy for Shaleen
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=8990703&postcount=457

On Wednesday afternoon, after several hours collecting photographs
and information around the crime scene where the body was discovered, the
Inyo County Coroner’s Office retrieved the body and transported it
to Orange County, where the coroner there, Dr. Fukumoto, performed an
autopsy.


aug. 3
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/article_113.shtml

Investigators are playing their cards tight and careful, and have
not stated that a crime has even occurred

Until the Coroner can determine the manor and cause of death, which could
be a few weeks out, investigators can't say whether or not a crime has
occurred. Until then investigators say that they haven't ruled out foul
play, though Motwieler did say that anytime a weapon is found it is a significant part of the investigation.

Since there officially is no crime yet, Motwieler says there are no suspects, but there are persons of interest.

[Wichita]

I am not an expert on decomposition, but you could go to the web, and type in "body farm". It will bring up a web site where a forensic pathologist named Bass has been conducting research for years. Unfortunately, there isn't much detailed information posted, but there are books you could get for a reasonable price that would answer many of your questions.

Here's what I think I know. A body will decompose differently in different environments because of humidity (or lack of it), temperature, on land as opposed to in water, indoors as opposed to outdoors, direct sunlight as opposed to shade, and the types of insects that are indigenous to the area.

In Renee's case, the coroner's report said her body was partially mummified, which means totally dried to a state of "almost" preservation. My guess is that her legs, and possibly her arms were "mummified", as well as her face and possibly her scalp. The abdomen contains the soft organs, which decompose first, by turning to liquid. That would cause the abdominal cavity to remain somewhat more hydrated, and dry last. This is where the blood could be found for the toxicology analysis. If the abdominal cavity suffers wounds, such as stabbing, or shooting, the gases associated with decomp will be able to escape faster, and the abdomen may or may not burst since there is a pressure release from the wounds. If there is no pressure release, the abdominal muscles will soften and tear with decomp, and eventually the abdomen may burst with the pressures of the gasses. This might look like a wound to a layman, but a pathologist would recognize it for what it is. That is why a detailed description of Renee's remains are needed by her family. No one knows the actual condition of her remains. No one has seen any photographs of how she was lying when found, and they cannot understand why the pathologist would declare her death an accident in view of the other circumstances.

The damage by animals is usually not from vultures. It's from small animals. Rats, mice, possums, raccoons, and coyotes are the ones I am familiar with.
Rats and mice will feed on soft tissues of the face, ears, and nose. I have seen them feed on fingers as well. Raccoons and possums feed on the internal organs by eating through the abdominal wall. Coyotes will drag the skull, arms and legs away, and get what they can. If the body is fairly fresh when found by coyotes, they will feed through the abdominal wall, and go for the organs as well.

The best way to establish how long Renee was lying exposed in the desert would have been an examination by a forensic entymologist. Insects attack the corpse within hours. They lay eggs, and go through a measurable metamorphosis that can tell how long a corpse has been exposed. There are several species to measure, and each one has it's own peculiar characteristic, and attacks the corpse at different stages of decomposition. It gives a verifiable, scientific, irrefutable time line. This was not done, because the deputies did not believe there was foul play from the begining. Or, should I say "get go"? I think that is the term one of them used after the cause of death was released.

I did not read anywhere that she had suffered any such damage, so I assume that none took place. That makes me wonder why. The only answer I can come up with is human presence, a lack of food for a healthy animal population, and possibly that she was moved from another place to the place she was found. I don't believe she was moved after decomposition started.
It is possible that she was "dumped" within two or three days, if she was kept in a cool dry environment, such as a mine shaft. In reality, it could have been as much as a week, but it would have been messy.

When a body decomposes, the liquids leach into the ground beneath the body. Soil samples could or should have been collected for testing, if the investigating officers believed she did not decompose in the place where she was found. The soil would tell the story. It's a lot of work, but other professional agencies do the work. It's better to be thorough in the beginning than to have to try to "catch up" later. There are too many unanswered questions, and unfortunately, no one at Inyo County wants to provide answers.

[LetsBeConcerned]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/duckey_bike.jpg

(I wonder what happened to the pedals~? Who can ride a bike without pedals~?)

Aug. 8, 2006
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/printer_122.shtml

He (Hollowell) did say the bicycle was not damaged.


Officers said that the Orange County coroner will complete tests
performed on Duckey's body, including a microscopic exam for clues and a
toxicology exam.

Although officers continue to fall short of calling this death a homicide,

[LetsBeConcerned]

Here is more...

Nov. 15,2006
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/article_302.shtml
Motweiler said that agents from the DOJ out of Fresno came to the scene
when Ms. Duckey's body was found. They took evidence back to their lab.
Other evidence has also come from the autopsy performed in Southern
California. DOJ has not yet released information from this evidence. The
tests and results from the Fresno lab have to be considered before issuance
of the final word on cause and manner of death.

May 14, 2007
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/article_635.shtml
Shaleen Duckey of Bishop went missing in July. Her body was found a few
weeks later in a field off Barlow Lane. Inyo Sheriff's Detective Marston
Mottweiler said that the manner of Ms. Duckey's death is still pending in the
Inyo Coroner's office. The reason for the delay - the Department of Justice.

5-23-07
http://www.sierrawave.tv/artman/publish/article_658.shtml
AG's Office Says the Duckey Case is Not a PriorityBy Benett Kessler

The California Attorney General's Office looked into the delayed report on the
cause of death of Bishop's Shaleen Duckey. They came back with the same
information we already had, the Department of Justice forensics lab in Fresno
has held onto evidence for 9 months and is "continuing to conduct DNA
analysis on several pieces of evidence." The AG spokesman basically said
that the Duckey case is not a priority.


Maybe not for them, but for Eastern Sierra residents, it is. Many have called us to get answers.

Gareth Lacy of the Attorney General's Press Office said that the
Department of Justice deals with homicides and rapes before missing persons.

Does this mean Duckey's case is not a murder? No one is willing to conclude that at this point.

Lacy claimed that the DOJ lab is not neglecting Inyo County's case. When will
they provide a final answer as to why Ms. Duckey died? Lacy said there is
no date on when. "We have a lot of crimes to handle," he said.

The 32 year old Shaleen Duckey went missing last July 12th. Her body turned
up in a field just off Barlow Lane about two weeks later. Local law
enforcement did confirm finding a knife next to her body, but they have not
issued a definite cause of death.
Inyo Sheriff's Investigator Marson Mottweiler said, "No final decision can be
made until all of the information is available from the forensics laboratories
and evaluated." Mottweiler said that about two weeks ago, DOJ spokesmen
told him that they are waiting on chemicals needed to move forward with certain evidence testing.
http://www.inyoregister.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1036&Itemid=27
The autopsy revealed no broken bones or gunshot wounds, but some “lacerations.”
Among the forensic evidence that’s been in the hands of the DOJ’s Fresno
office for almost a year are a knife found at the scene and a bicycle “associated with the scene,” said Mottweiler. It has
not been revealed whether the lacerations noted by the medical examiner were knife wounds.
Brune said he needs the forensic testing
results in order to now make a determination on the “circumstances and the manner” surrounding Duckey’s demise.
“We’ve done our job and have our results and we’re waiting for a final conclusion so we can sign a death certificate,” Brune said.
Without that final determination, investigators can’t say
whether a crime even occurred, though Mottweiler noted foul play
has not been ruled out.

[Bluefox]

Hi LetsBeConcerned, nice to meet you, albeit under these circumstances.............

Hey Wichita, your info is a great help. I've seen two documentaries on the Body Farm, and of course read Patricia Cornwell's book.



Once again, we have a body suddenly appearing, in an area much frequented by people, for varying reasons.


( 1) It may or may not be the first similarity in the two cases.

A knife is by her side, but there are no defence wounds.

(2) ( In a later report, it is said...Quote: exact cause of death - haemorraghic shock - blood loss ) The similarity here is that (she was most likely killed with the knife) she just lay down and died without a struggle or the presence of mind to put up a fight. ( are they being drugged to make them zombie-like? )



But from these illustrious authorities, "missing, is the crucial cause of death"
Taking into consideration your explanation of decomposition Wichita, and and the abdomen bursting with pressure from gases present. and also mummification, could this not also destroy defence wounds, bruising etc etc? If there is also no animal activity, it may suggest the body being kept somewhere and then..............

(3) Being placed so that it could be found.

For which we really do need a detailed pathology report on insect activity, time-line for both Shaleen & Renee.

I too hope for justice for Shaleen, her people had enough injustice in the past, it should not be perpetuated in modern times, by seemingly educated, civilized people!! by dismissing her in such a disgusting manner, as to say, "she is not a priority" does one have to be a politician's wife or daughter to be a priority?

(4) Sounds just like as in Renee's case, "don't call again"

It sounds very much like someone mucked up the forensics, or it's a clear case of evasion again, or sabotage or...........take your pick it's Bishop we're dealing with here folks.

Meanwhile, as they play their games, the trail goes cold, anyone would think they don't want the killer caught, 'cos this lady was mudered

[curiousfriend]

I would like to thank you for answering my questions so thoroughly, I have so many more I would like to ask, but right now my mind is stuck on continuosly going over the new facts that you just presented to me and I can't for the life of me remember what one of my questions were! As I said before thank you so very much - If you can think of anymore opinions/information to inform us on I would love to hear what you have to say!:read: :seeya:

[Wichita]

Blue,
You are correct that when the abdominal cavity bursts, it causes a wound. When the body shrinks from decomp, and becomes partially mummified, the abdominal cavity would be one of the last places to dry, because it is a cavity that holds the remaining moisture that will take longer to dehydrate. A break in the skin from decomp will be a ragged, tear. The breakage will occur along natural seams in the abdominal muscle, and will generally be on the stomach. I hate to bring this up, but some women develop "stretch marks" with pregnancy that remain after the birth of the child to some degree. These are areas where the pressure was greater on the skin, and the stretch mark is unique among scars, because they occur from the inside out. This is a good example of how the abdomen breaks during decomp. So the breaks would be uneven, jagged, and torn, as opposed to a straight puncture with a sharp object, or a slash. When the skin dries, shrinks, and shrivels, the breaks from decomp may not even be visible, but if they are, a trained pathologist should be able to determine the difference....a majority of the time, but not always.

Post mortem lividity will cover bruising. I am not sure, but I have heard that bruising can still be seen under the skin, when the skin is surgically cut, and peeled back during autopsy. In Renee's case, that was not an option due to advanced decomp, and partial mummification.

[LetsBeConcerned]

This is a very sad story~!!! My heart breaks for this woman~!!!
Big Pine is located in between Independence & Bishop


Inyo Register- Nov. 18-19, 2006:
Letter to the Editor:
Assault Report not taken seriously by Inyo D.A.'s Office

I am a 58-year-old woman who was assaulted and beaten on the night of
July 15 in Big Pine. I subsequently called the police and placed a report,
however I never heard back from them. My son took it upon himself to follow
up on the matter, contacting several times the Sheriff's and D.A.'s offices,
attempting to illuminate the barbaric, unwarranted elements of this assault.
The kicker: On Oct. 15, a deputy D.A., after viewing all the evidence, told
my son that, "Although your mother's facial wounds are disturbing to look at,
they will heal." He further reported that although he possessed a first-hand
victim account, they also had the perpetrators alleging that "I assaulted
them." It's chilling but not all that creative to think that all somebody
needs to do to sidestep justice from a violent crime is to simply say, "I didn't do it."
(name withheld), Big Pine



Here is another article where the business owners complain that the sheriff’s
refuse to respond… It did not impress me as being that far from bishop… only 15 miles south
http://www.inyoregister.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=936&Itemid=27

“We get no protection in this town,”said Rossi, “we get no coverage” from
the Sheriff’s Department.
The entire Sheriff’s Department’s patrol division is stretched thin due to a
lack of manpower, said Sgt. Keith Hardcastle. Deputies “get down to Big Pine and patrol as often as they can,” he said,


Hardcastle was the one in charge of the search for Renee.


More about Big Pine
http://www.bigpine.com/

:rolleyes:

[Bluefox]

I take it Big Pine is too small to have it's own police force? That's no excuse though, every call should be responded to. I would say assault to the extent this poor woman suffered is serious. To say her wounds will heal is dispicable! It's no wonder some people want to take things into their own hands.

Bishop and Hardcastle seem to go hand in hand. Maybe someone should direct him to this site, maybe it would encourage him to resign, 'cos from here, he's about as useful as a greasy french fry! This guy just can't be bothered to do anything can he.

I've never heard of such bad policing in my entire life.

[Inyo Native]

I wonder if the assistant DA in the Big Pine woman's case was Mark Johnson? He prosecutes many cases and was the lead prosecutor in the Joshua Loy case. He did quite a few things that were improper in that case, including putting two lying witnesses on the stand. And then he apparently invited his own family to the sentencing, as though it was some spectacle even though Loy's distraught family was there.

This is just rumor (something I heard from locals) but I heard that the woman in the assault case was a Native American. I would not be surprised if that has something to do with the prosecutor's "reluctance" to proceed, it's pretty typical. And it was my first thought when I read her letter in the newspaper, "I wonder what race she is?"

Just my thoughts based on past observations.

[Bluefox]

Hi Inyo Native................sometimes rumours are just that..........then again, sometimes they have substance. It would be most helpful if we really knew the facts here, as it stands, it would be very inappropriate to turn it into a day out for his family. It actually sounds like these people who are responsible for protecting the community, aren't even trained!! Or is it they don't seem to be accountable to anyone, and they've gotten too confident?

Can anyone tell me population there?

[spudrod]

Bishop is around 3600 population wise. Inyo county has a total of 18000 for the whole county, which im sure the bulk of that is in Big Pine and Lone Pine. Independence is around 350-500 I think. Its pretty small, its not even listed.

[Inyo Native]

Bishop is around 3600 population wise. Inyo county has a total of 18000 for the whole county, which im sure the bulk of that is in Big Pine and Lone Pine. Independence is around 350-500 I think. Its pretty small, its not even listed.

Bishop is the biggest city with 3600-4000. I find it hard to believe there are 18000 in Inyo County, although the size (land) is so big I guess it could be true. Big Pine is probably the second biggest city, with 1500 last I knew, although Lone Pine is probably about that size too. The rest of the towns in Inyo are much smaller.

[spudrod]

Bishop is the biggest city with 3600-4000. I find it hard to believe there are 18000 in Inyo County, although the size (land) is so big I guess it could be true. Big Pine is probably the second biggest city, with 1500 last I knew, although Lone Pine is probably about that size too. The rest of the towns in Inyo are much smaller.

Yeah, 18000 does sound like a lot but, if you consider that its listed as 13000 in unincorporated areas, that might be some population not in the actual city of Bishop, but in the surrounding proximity. Wikipedia shows the 2000 census having 17945 residents for 10227 Sq miles. Thats a density of 2 people for every Sq mile. That includes 19 cities. Compare that with Los Angeles county, where you have a density of 25068 per Sq. mile, and a 2006 census of 9.9 million people. Although that is probably not including those who cant be accounted for.

Another way of looking at it, if you put all the people in Inyo into the Staples Center in LA for a concert, you would still have 2000 seats available.

[spudrod]

While perusing around the internet, I found this. It has a familiar ring to it..............


Families want word on desert air crash
FRANK X. MULLEN (fmullen@rgj.com)
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 10/21/2007


Families who have waited decades to learn the fate of relatives who vanished without a trace during plane flights over Nevada are in a holding pattern.
They want to find out if an uncharted wreck found during the search for missing aviator Steve Fossett is connected to their lost relatives.
Federal air crash investigators said they can't investigate until the mystery plane is identified. Nevada Emergency Management officers turned the case over to Mono County, Calif., authorities, who said Friday the wreck is a known crash from the 1970s.
The puzzle might be solved, but apparently no agency is claiming the responsibility to coordinate an investigation, come to a conclusion about the wreck or notify interested parties.
That leaves three families in limbo.
"My mom has had nightmares about what happened to her parents and brother for 40 years," said Susan Wheeler of Logan, Utah, whose grandparents, Carroll and Ruby Webb, vanished in 1967 when a plane piloted by their son, William Webb, presumably crashed during a flight from San Jose, Calif. to Ogden, Utah.
"She's having surgery (this) week, and now with this talk about an unidentified crash site she really needs to know what happened. It's sad. They spent all that money and time on the search for (Steve Fossett), but we've been waiting 40 years.
"We've always thought that someone would get hold of us, but I guess there's nobody who does that," Wheeler said Saturday.
Fossett, a millionaire adventurer who holds scores of records for balloon and plane flights, took off from Barron Hilton's Flying M ranch near Yerington Sept. 3 and hasn't been seen since. The search for him lasted about six weeks and was the most extensive and expensive aviation search in American history, officials said.
During the search, aviators found up to eight sites that they initially thought were unmapped wrecks. But seven of those sites eventually were determined to have been previously discovered or were not related to aviation. That left one unidentified crash site, Civil Air Patrol officials said last week.
Research by the Reno Gazette-Journal determined that three missing aircraft since 1949 have yet to be found and were suspected to have crashed in Nevada or Sierra California.
Those are:

The Webb's white Piper PA-28 which vanished in June 1967.

A Beechcraft Bonanza piloted by Reno businessman Dee McLemore which disappeared during a Sun River, Ore.-to-Reno flight in October of 1989.

A Cessna-210 piloted by Charles Ogle that took off from Oakland en route to Reno in August of 1964 and was never seen again.
William Ogle, 47, of of Gainesville, Fla., whose father, Charles "Chazzie" Ogle, disappeared en route to Reno in 1964, said officials haven't returned his calls about the unidentified crash site.
"If they don't want to send someone to investigate, I'm perfectly willing to take a look at the site," he said. "Give me the GPS coordinates and I'll mount an expedition."
National Transportation Safety Board officials in Washington, D.C. said they investigate recent crashes, but must be sure a site is within their jurisdiction and not debris from a military or government crash.
"It could be anything out there," said Ted Lopatkiewitz, NTSB spokesman. "If the Civil Air Patrol says it's a civilian aircraft, I have no reason to doubt them. But we're not going to send someone out there on spec. We need to be sure it's under our jurisdiction."
Maj. Cindy Ryan of the Nevada Wing of the Civil Air Patrol said it's up to local law enforcement to pursue the case, but didn't disclose the location of the site to the newspaper. A check of state agencies and northern Nevada and California counties found several officials who investigated wrecks as part of the Fossett search, but all said the wrecks were subsequently identified or were false reports.
The Nevada Division of Emergency Management on Friday confirmed the "unidentified" wreck is in Mono County near Bishop.
Sgt. Jeff Beard of the Mono County Sheriffs Department went to a wreck site at Crowley Lake during the Fossett search. That site turned out to be a crash remembered by locals and had long been accounted for, he said.
"But if there was another unidentified wreck in my area, I'd be happy to go and check it out," he said. "I don't care if it's 40 years old or 100 years old, if it helps bring closure to a family then it's worth the effort."
Nevada Air National Guard members also flew into the crash site near Bishop and searchers managed to get a partial tail number, the equivalent of an aircraft license plate. The numbers were N54 and 2B, with the fourth number in the six-number series missing.
Aviation data bases have several candidates that could be that tail number, but only one variation shows up on the NTSB accident data bank. Those records show thatr a Cessna 182, tail number N5472B, crashed on Jan. 27, 1978 on a flight from Turlock, Calif., to Salt Lake City, Utah. That's the best candidate for the wreckage in Mono County.
Case closed? Not until authorities say so, and so far no official interviewed by the newspaper has claimed the responsibility to do that or to notify the affected families.
Aviation experts said if an unidentified aircraft found during the Fossett search remains in the wilderness, it doesn't necessarily have to be associated with one of the three families awaiting news of their kin. They said drug-runners from Mexico used Northern Nevada landing sites in the 1970s and 1980s and would not have reported a crash.
Any effort to identify lost aircraft is also hampered by incomplete records at the federal level. The NTSB typically destroys its records after 10 years and the Air Force, by its own regulations, destroys most search records after seven years. Experts in aviation searches said every time a undocumented wreck is found authorities are swamped with calls from people looking for lost relatives.
There is no set protocol for helping them, officials said.
At this point family members of lost pilots aren't sure if there really is a mystery crash site that remains from the Fossett search or not. There has been so much confusion about the sites, they said, the remaining aircraft may have been identified and all agencies may not have gotten the word.
Still, they would like to know for sure.
"No one has gotten back to us and we recently found out that search records are routinely destroyed," Susan Wheeler said. "What's up with that?
"If you are rich then they look for you and if you aren't they forget about you. After 40 years, we just want to know if there's any chance the unidentified wreck could be the plane my grandparents were on. We just want to know one way or another."

[spudrod]

This is why I dont fly, much less a small aircraft, you don't get found right away, your gone for good. I cant believe all the doublespeak from all the different agencies. Just wash you hands of it, and pass it on to the next group so they can do the same thing.

I wonder when Fossett left on his flight, I remember a fire in the mountains east of Crowley Lake about 4-5 weeks ago, late in the afternoon, and remember thinking how difficult the terrain was to get to it to put the fire out. I figured they would let it burn out. This, as I was passing a train of Mono County fire trucks on 395 as they were returning from the fire in So Cal.

[cabojenn]

It is heartbreaking to hear that there is a plane out there that crashed at least 40 years ago and no-one wants to look into it. That poor family! 40 YEARS?!?!?!??!?!?!?!

[awakening2lite]

This is why I dont fly, much less a small aircraft, you don't get found right away, your gone for good. I cant believe all the doublespeak from all the different agencies. Just wash you hands of it, and pass it on to the next group so they can do the same thing.

I wonder when Fossett left on his flight, I remember a fire in the mountains east of Crowley Lake about 4-5 weeks ago, late in the afternoon, and remember thinking how difficult the terrain was to get to it to put the fire out. I figured they would let it burn out. This, as I was passing a train of Mono County fire trucks on 395 as they were returning from the fire in So Cal.


Hi Spudrod
Thanks for posting that atricle. It's always disappointing to know money can make a difference even for those seeking closure.

[LetsBeConcerned]

Hi Inyo Native................sometimes rumours are just that..........then again, sometimes they have substance. It would be most helpful if we really knew the facts here, as it stands, it would be very inappropriate to turn it into a day out for his family. It actually sounds like these people who are responsible for protecting the community, aren't even trained!! Or is it they don't seem to be accountable to anyone, and they've gotten too confident?

Can anyone tell me population there?


Just to add…

Simi Valley(where Renee grew up) is described as a “small” incorporated city bordering Los Angeles…. Simi has a population of 118,685 in the 2005 census, so comparatively speaking L.A.’s millions it is pretty small.

Simi Valley is actually in Ventura County and that county has a population of 753,197 people.

Then you have Inyo’s HUGE land mass with only these few cities and population…

Big Pine ....... 1,350
Bishop ..... 3,575
Cartago ..... 109
Darwin ..... 54
Deep Springs
Dixon Lane-Meadow Creek ..... 2,702
Furnace Creek ..... 31
Homewood Canyon-Valley Wells ..... 75
Independence ..... 574
Keeler ..... 66
Lone Pine ..... 1,655
Mesa ..... 214
Olancha ………..134
Pearsonville ….. 27
Round Valley….. 278
Shoshone ……….52
Tecopa …..……...99
West Bishop..... 2,807
Wilkerson ......562




Total 14,364 for Inyo

Where the other 3,581~? are living I am not sure… But since these cities are soooo small, they do not have a city police department and seem to have to rely solely on the County Sheriff’s Department. You would think that each city would have a substation, but I do not know if that is the case. It does not sound like it to me.

I would be curious to know how many vacationers go to this County annually~? With all the skiers, & snow resorts, camping, fishing, hunting, hand gliders, rock climbing etc…

I read recently that 19,000 people applied for permits to climb Mt Whitney. I would suspect that a great deal of those live outside Inyo, and possibly outside the state.




I have also realized (after making this list of cities) that June Lake is in Mono County and further away than I had thought before… That is where Renee had gotten a hotel room (before she disappeared)and tried to make it back home the following morning…
http://junelakeloop.org/

map with directions
http://junelakeloop.org/location

I had only been up to Inyo once. The hotel that Renee stayed at, in June Lake, was about 100 miles North from Independence. Farther away from Los Angeles, which was her destination~!! A familiar place she was trying to get back to~!!!

[spudrod]

More musings from the keyboard..................

Ya know, if I have to see Star Jones everyday, you would think the least she could do is change her outfit.

Yes, some of these "towns" are hardly towns at all. Take Shoshone for example, 1 gas station/post office, 1 church, 1 restaurant, and 1 rock store (Who buys rocks by the way? If you look around, there are free ones.). If there are 52 people there, they must be having a housing boom.

Tecopa is 6 miles south, and all I know that is there are a few homes and the hot springs.

Both these places must be 180 miles from Bishop, I can't imagine anyone needing their help in an emergency, expecting them to be there in a timely fashion. I'm sure the CHP is the main police force in these far and away places.

LBC, I thought for sure you would know that the missing 3500 are out the the jurisdiction of any of these town's and are caretaking of their pot plantations. That is what "everyone" does up there, or so I've read and heard. :D

[Bluefox]

Thanks for that detailed breakdown LetsBeConcerned. I would say Bishop has approx the same population as the town i live in. I'm not far from Edinburgh, and yet we have our own police station. It doesn't have a large force, but if they're busy and no one is actually there, your call automatically goes through to another number, and you can get hold of them with ease. If you go to the station and they're out on calls, there's phone in the wall you can use, again automatic call to the nearest station.

I once had occasion to call the emergency number, police and CID were at my house within 10 mins.

If all these small places are uncovered by police, and timing is always of the essence, it stands to reason there should be someone available or something put in place. If a force is understaffed and overworked, in vast areas, the work will not have any quality at all. However, the last thing you would also need, are corrupt, lazy or unmotivated police.

For a few years now, we have been using civilians as special constables, and this frees up the main police force taking care of more serious crimes. Do you have anything like that there? If not, maybe it's something those politicians can look into, might even give 'em something to do :shrug:

These smaller areas could be policed by specials with certain powers and of course somewhere to lock up the perps

You'd think Renee would have been in more danger in her home town with a much bigger population.

Hmmmmmmmmmm visitors to Bishop. It could be someone who visits very regularly and has gotten to know the place well. Normally the vacationer sends a post card home, 'wish you were here' so instead vacationer goes home, sends post card to newspaper, "what a wonderful small town Bishop is" 'cos when he's there, he gets away with murder. It keeps coming back to that doesn't it?

[awakening2lite]

I don't know if this has been posted before, so here goes:

Here is a link to the Bishop Area Relocation Packet contains the following information:
http://www.bishopvisitor.com/chamber/relocation.php3

It contains:

Community Profile
• Bishop History
• List of Churches
• List of Medical Staff at Northern Inyo Hospitals
• Newspaper Subscription Information
• List of Schools
• List of Major Employers
• Climate Information
• List RV/Mobile Home Parks
• Real Estate Agencies
• Mileage Chart
• Contact List

and a phone number for additional questions: 888-395-3952
or email addy info@BishopVisitor.com

[awakening2lite]

Again, I apologize if this has already been posted.

Here's a link to touring maps for Bishop

http://www.bishopvisitor.com/map/motor.php3

There are a number of maps, including a winter time travel of the area and downtown Bishop and many more.

It really does look like a nice town.

:)

[Inyo Native]

Oh, Bishop is a beautiful small town, surrounded by mountains, etc. Probably a great place to vacation. But living there... I guess it depends on who you are. Some people love it, others get bored and/or harassed and move away. Some flaws I can think of in the area (although this is probably true of many towns) are the racism, the lazy, incompetent and/or corrupt police force, the blind local media, the lack of legal resources, etc. These things may not be noticed by most people, especially the lack of legal resources (until they need legal help).

The movie "Hot Fuzz" really did remind me of both the town (cute and picturesque) and the people, even though it was a parody.

I love June Lake and Mammoth myself (Mono county) and Lone Pine is pretty nice too.

[awakening2lite]

Oh, Bishop is a beautiful small town, surrounded by mountains, etc. Probably a great place to vacation. But living there... I guess it depends on who you are. Some people love it, others get bored and/or harassed and move away. Some flaws I can think of in the area (although this is probably true of many towns) are the racism, the lazy, incompetent and/or corrupt police force, the blind local media, the lack of legal resources, etc. These things may not be noticed by most people, especially the lack of legal resources (until they need legal help).

The movie "Hot Fuzz" really did remind me of both the town (cute and picturesque) and the people, even though it was a parody.

I love June Lake and Mammoth myself (Mono county) and Lone Pine is pretty nice too.


Thanks for your reply.

It does look lovely and peaceful. And I think you are right about small towns having problems. I think they all do to some degree and some of those problems exist in big cites, too. However, when that is combined with wide open spaces, well, some times problems are harder to solve.
I would truly love to visit your area, it's beauty takes my breath away.

[sanderella]

It's an absolutely beautiful area to visit, fish, hike, ski and to just enjoy the wonders of the Sierras. I have been up there too many times to count. However, knowing now what I know about the local LE, I have less desire to visit. My 25 year association with Renee and her family is deeply engrained in my heart. My visit to Lone Pine a couple months after Renee was found had opened my eyes to the corruption of the LE particularly after I spoke to a couple locals whom confirmed my own suspicions, (one who worked with the Fire Dept). The LE are all hush, hush about the crimes and they all are in bed together, (so to speak). I could go on and on, but I will spare you for now.

One day I hope the public finds out the truth about what happened to Renee as well as Shaleen and others, and who is to blame. Right now, I point my finger at the local LE. I know it won't bring them back, I know it may not bring closure to the families. How can one ever it closure when you lose a daughter/sister/mom/niece/friend? But, they need to be held accountable, in my opinion.

Although I rarely post, I want the family to know that you are always close at heart.

xoxo Sandy

[spudrod]

Thanks for that detailed breakdown LetsBeConcerned. I would say Bishop has approx the same population as the town i live in. I'm not far from Edinburgh, and yet we have our own police station. It doesn't have a large force, but if they're busy and no one is actually there, your call automatically goes through to another number, and you can get hold of them with ease. If you go to the station and they're out on calls, there's phone in the wall you can use, again automatic call to the nearest station.

I once had occasion to call the emergency number, police and CID were at my house within 10 mins.

If all these small places are uncovered by police, and timing is always of the essence, it stands to reason there should be someone available or something put in place. If a force is understaffed and overworked, in vast areas, the work will not have any quality at all. However, the last thing you would also need, are corrupt, lazy or unmotivated police.

For a few years now, we have been using civilians as special constables, and this frees up the main police force taking care of more serious crimes. Do you have anything like that there? If not, maybe it's something those politicians can look into, might even give 'em something to do :shrug:

These smaller areas could be policed by specials with certain powers and of course somewhere to lock up the perps

You'd think Renee would have been in more danger in her home town with a much bigger population.

Hmmmmmmmmmm visitors to Bishop. It could be someone who visits very regularly and has gotten to know the place well. Normally the vacationer sends a post card home, 'wish you were here' so instead vacationer goes home, sends post card to newspaper, "what a wonderful small town Bishop is" 'cos when he's there, he gets away with murder. It keeps coming back to that doesn't it?


Actually, we have what are called "neighborhood watches". It's more of a....keep your eyes open, watch for suspicious activity, report it right away. No one is given any official capacity, just communities banding togeather to try and attempt to cut down on graffiti, people/gangs "hangin out", suspicious people lurking around, etc.

I haven't read up on it as to it's effectiveness, but i'm sure in some neighborhoods it works great, and in other places people don't want to get involved for fear of reprisal. So, its probably dependant on which community you live in.

I know any citizen is capable of a "citizens arrest", but then you take on the additional burden of a he said, she said situation, that could escalate into who knows what. This day and age, who knows what the next persson you come into contact with is capable of. It's becoming like the old west out there. Loose cannons everywhere. And it's escalating, rapidly.
Its like the 1st experiment you learn in basic physcology in school, you place a 3-4 rats in a cage and they live harmoniously, put 20-25 in the same cage, they fight and kill each other until they get down to 3-4 again and then they are fine. This is our society, the new rat race.

[Bluefox]

Oh dear, you paint a rather depressing picture there Spudrod, but i know what you mean! Another way to look at it, is, if 3-4 changes to 25, i think it may depend on how many of them want to be the leader (or the control freak) and that comes down to the personalities & mentalities. For instance, if there's a strong leader, who can organise well, and keep a lid on aggression, then those 25 can live harmoniously.

I think it's safe to say the majority of us do that, because law and order are needed, otherwise chaos would ensue and we would have destroyed ourselves long ago. This is also why we look to our police forces to be above all kinds of tempations etc etc, and i admire them, for it can't be an easy job. There's a job that suits everyone, and they have to be saluted for living with rape, serial murders, abuses of all kinds, cruelty which is unbelievable, and they do it EVERY DAY. We couldn't do it, and that's we have less (for want of a better word) stressful jobs!

Any cases of corruption we read about here, dismays us all, but at the same time, nobody speaks of all the good they do, so it kinda makes it seem like they're doing nothing, which is not the case. But yes, we have high aspects, and we don't want ANY corruption, especially the magnitude we are seeing in Renee's and Shaleen's case.

Some years ago, 'neighbourhood watches' were encouraged here too, but i don't think it was very successful. Who's watching when a good percentage of crime is committed in the wee small hours, under cover of darkness?

What i'm seeing more now is, Resident Associations. It's safer for individuals to meet together in council buildings, with the backing and support of the council. They can air their grievances, and this is to some extent already working where anti-social behaviour is concerned.

If i see a 6' 6" tall grizzly bear of a man, whom police desperately want to talk to, i ain't gonna do no 'citizen's arrest' oh noooo, i'm gonna call the policeman! :)

[LetsBeConcerned]

More musings from the keyboard..................

Ya know, if I have to see Star Jones everyday, you would think the least she could do is change her outfit.

Yes, some of these "towns" are hardly towns at all. Take Shoshone for example, 1 gas station/post office, 1 church, 1 restaurant, and 1 rock store (Who buys rocks by the way? If you look around, there are free ones.). If there are 52 people there, they must be having a housing boom.

Tecopa is 6 miles south, and all I know that is there are a few homes and the hot springs.

Both these places must be 180 miles from Bishop, I can't imagine anyone needing their help in an emergency, expecting them to be there in a timely fashion. I'm sure the CHP is the main police force in these far and away places.

LBC, I thought for sure you would know that the missing 3500 are out the the jurisdiction of any of these town's and are caretaking of their pot plantations. That is what "everyone" does up there, or so I've read and heard. :D



I thoroughly got your point ~!!!!!! I put together a bunch of links for those that are “new” to these stories can follow them all…. In a nutshell… lightning storms had hit the area and set off a bunch of fires, causing thousands to be evacuated… not just residents but ALL the vacationers… RV parks, campgrounds, etc… the problem being that the vacationers had gone back to nature, without T.V.’s , radios computers etc….finding these people and getting them out became a HUGE task~!!!


7-8-07

http://www.topix.net/content/trb/2007/07/u-s-395-reopens-as-firefighters-battle-inyo-national-forest-blazes

7-10-07
http://www.inciweb.org/incident/news/article/767/3905/


July 13,2007
http://www.inyoregister.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1191&Itemid=27

The story I believe that Spudrod is talking about is here…

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5512012

http://cbs13.com/national/Inyo.County.2.482124.html


I my self had a few problems with that story…How 2 hikers on vacation caught up in a fire storm… Sorry to everyone, but they burned alive~!!! I am absolutely positive that they ran for their Lives~!!! Yet the authorities want you to believe that they were cultivating a pot farm, that did NOT burn~!!! I would be curious to know how many miles they were found from the “farm”… And why it took 2 weeks to find the hikers and 3 months to bust the “pot farm”

[Inyo Native]

Any cases of corruption we read about here, dismays us all, but at the same time, nobody speaks of all the good they do, so it kinda makes it seem like they're doing nothing, which is not the case. But yes, we have high aspects, and we don't want ANY corruption, especially the magnitude we are seeing in Renee's and Shaleen's case.



And let's not forget Josh Loy- http://www.topix.net/city/bishop-ca/2007/06/man-convicted-of-felony-sex-crimes
The problem with his case is that there's a "better safe than sorry" mentality with that type of crime, and also the problem that the police blatantly (as they often do) lied to the media.




If i see a 6' 6" tall grizzly bear of a man, whom police desperately want to talk to, i ain't gonna do no 'citizen's arrest' oh noooo, i'm gonna call the policeman! :)

I would be torn between the two- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfJmtrKi5lE


There are a couple of good cops in Inyo though, I will admit. You always hear the same names come up when people talk about the bad ones, and the same goes for the good ones.

[Bluefox]

In the case of Josh Loy, i guess you really have to go with what the girls reported and they identified him as their attacker, this is what nailed him, but i can't really comment on 'police lies' as i don't know the whole story, or did you mean police lying in general?


The video: that was rather overkill wasn't it? especially for a puny wee guy with no weapons!

As you say Inyo Native, there are some good ones, but what strikes me is, how can they manage to work with a group who largely seem to be very corrupt, and may have some involvement in serious crimes, or the covering up of those crimes, for goodness knows what reasons?! It must be very frustrating at the least, maybe to the point of moving away from the area and working with people who have some integrity, because we haven't seen a single ounce of that concerning the murders of those women, and even less in dealing with their families, left in a void, because when the LE don't do their job, there's absolutely nowhere else to go, unless you have an awful lot of money.

[Kellapple]

I believe there are bad apples in every walk of life. I have been a "victim" of a serious crime and my experience with the police/sheriff/law enforcement and detectives (yes all of them) was all positive. From the 911 call to the final court date they were all on my side. But of course my "bad guy" wasn't a cop and there was a lot of "evidence". Also I must point out that our law enforcement officers are over worked and probably underpaid, There are too many Bad Guys out there, obviously or we wouldn't all be here. IMO:shrug:

[spudrod]

Somewhat off topic to thread, the ongoing saga…………………….


Sheriff's wife backed no-bid contract for swap meet

Swap meet operator had given thousands to campaign of Deborah Carona's husband, Mike.

By TERI SFORZA and PEGGY LOWE
The Orange County Register
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Sheriff Mike Carona's wife urged fellow Orange County Fair Board directors to skip competitive bidding and grant the lucrative Orange County swap meet contract to a company that had given thousands of dollars to her husband's campaign.
The company Deborah Carona championed in the bruising fight for the swap meet contract – TelPhil Enterprises of Newport Beach – was seen locally as a David locked in battle with an imposing Goliath. The winner would run the swap meet that TelPhil launched 35 years ago and has labored on ever since.
From the vantage point of competitor Delaware North Cos. Inc. of Buffalo, N.Y. – one of the world's largest hospitality companies – it was a maddening exercise on an unfair playing field. The company had offered the fair a much larger cut of swap meet proceeds.
"We serve a half-billion customers a year, run concessions in Sequoia and Yosemite national parks, Wembly Stadium in London, Encounter restaurant at LAX, retail at Dodgers Stadium – and even though it's three years later, we can still say that was one of the most difficult processes we ever went through in terms of bidding," spokeswoman Wendy Watkins said of the war over the swap meet contract.
"We had a very strong financial commitment, very strong community commitment, proven operational excellence, but despite all of that, it was an incredibly difficult process."
TelPhil owners Robert and Jeff Teller, their company and relatives have given $7,850 to Mike Carona's sheriff campaigns, documents show: $4,850 between 1997 and 2000; and $3,000 in 2006 and 2007. The contract fight occurred between contributions, in 2003 and 2004.
Jeff Teller is also a member of the Orange County Sheriff's Advisory Council, and is a professional services volunteer with the department.
Deborah Carona's attorney, Dave Wiechert, said her support was based on the company's record. "TelPhil is an excellent company that has done a great job for more than 30 years," Wiechert said.
Deborah and Mike Carona, along with Debra Hoffman, a woman called Mike Carona's mistress in federal papers, were indicted last month on federal corruption charges. The indictment, which alleges a broad conspiracy to enrich the Caronas and their friends, does not mention the TelPhil contract. The Register was unable to find any evidence that their contributions or her vote violated any law.
A spokesman for TelPhil said the contributions had nothing to do with TelPhil's ultimate triumph in keeping the swap meet contract in 2004.
"All of the Tellers have always supported law enforcement, going back to Sheriff Brad Gates," said Roger Faubel, spokesman for TelPhil. "The fair board contracts with the Orange County Sheriff's Department and provides Orange County deputy sheriffs here on site, on the weekends. TelPhil, our organization, reimburses them. We have always had a great relationship with the Sheriff's Department, and the Costa Mesa Police Department. It's true we've made contributions politically and fully disclosed them according to the law, being mindful of campaign limits and cycles."
The fact that TelPhil held onto the contract, and that Carona stuck up for it, has absolutely nothing to do with contributions to the sheriff, Faubel said. "Board member Carona got to see the full support as evidenced by the public, and her position was based on that," he said.
Fair board meetings on the swap meet contract were packed with dozens of swap meet sellers passionately defending TelPhil, describing how the company supported local charities, how it began as Teller's Treasures and Trash and grew up to be a granddaddy of swap meets, meeting minutes show.
The battle over the swap meet contract was an unusually tortured one. In March 2003, Delaware North offered the fair 50 percent of swap-meet revenue, compared to TelPhil's 35 percent. That was about $12 million more over five years than TelPhil would pay, and could have gone to running the fairgrounds and its programs.
But the fair board rejected Delaware North's bid, saying a piece of paperwork was missing. Delaware North appealed to state officials, who agreed that the company shouldn't be left out of the running because of a technicality. The board looked for other legal means to award the contract to TelPhil but eventually started the bidding process over.
In February 2004, after state intervention and a suggested repeat of the entire bidding process, Carona cited the importance of "custom, habit and tradition," and said the board would be making a "moral and ethical mistake" if it went forward with another competitive process, according to meeting minutes.
She made a motion to "sole-source" the swap meet contract and start negotiations with TelPhil. Her motion was seconded by fellow fair board member Peggy Haidl, whose brother, Don Haidl, was an assistant sheriff at the time.
The motion, however, failed. Other board members said that, while they had empathy for TelPhil, the fair property belonged to the state and they had a fiduciary duty to put the contract out to bid.
In the end, however, there wasn't much of a competitive process left. In a move that mystified Delaware North, the fair board capped the amount of money it could make from the swap meet at 40 percent. Delaware North's original offer of 50 percent was moot, and, it felt, gave TelPhil an unfair advantage.
In the end, Delaware North didn't even bother to submit a new bid. TelPhil won.
"It was not a wise decision by the board," Delaware North spokesman Jeff Flint said at the time. "We feel TelPhil does not offer fair market value. We are a strong company, and we are puzzled the fair didn't want more money."
TelPhil's contract runs through 2010, with an optional five year extension, at the fair board's pleasure. The fair still gets 35 percent of TelPhil's gross revenue, expected to be about $3.85 million this year. It's 14 percent of the fair's budget.
A previous attempt to put the swap meet contract out to bid, in the early 1990s, was similarly ugly, devolving into lawsuits and name calling. TelPhil prevailed then as well.

[spudrod]

Yeah, it may not come off as a rosy picture, but as the previous story shows that certain parties get to the point of a certain sense of entitlement and reward. I’m still not sure if it’s the power that is the devil in the details. But once again, this story could be Anywhere, USA. Nowhere is immune from this situation. But it seems more prevalent in the more affluent areas, Orange County, most notably. Mrs. Sheriff must know how this looks. I would hope. This is what bothers me the most, abuse of power where it becomes second nature, to the point that it becomes expected. And it seems to have run into a rural county as well. Maybe they think no one is looking, maybe they don’t care. Well, I know at least a couple dozen who won’t let that happen. And the number seems to be growing.

[Inyo Native]

In the case of Josh Loy, i guess you really have to go with what the girls reported and they identified him as their attacker, this is what nailed him, but i can't really comment on 'police lies' as i don't know the whole story, or did you mean police lying in general?




Yes, I think that's what the jury felt too. I guess it's hard to explain, it's so complex it's hard to sum it up.


The 13 year old victim had flagged down a cop car and said that a white male with blond curly hair, a white shirt and black pants had grabbed her and "tried to take her away". The cops radioed in the description and Josh, who was wearing a white shirt, was arrested a couple blocks away- but Josh has dark brown, straight hair and was wearing blue cargo pants. The police booked him and immediately issued a press release which was printed in the newspaper the next day, distorting the alleged crime and the details surrounding Josh's arrest, one lie being that Josh was seen fleeing the scene of the crime and that he had continually resisted arrest until he was tasered. Their statements told a different story- including that Josh had been tased in the back while he was on the ground "because I couldn't see his hands." Josh's booking photo was printed and led 2 other girls to come forward, saying the guy in the paper had attacked them too.

The problem: Josh did not match the initial description given moments after the attack (while the girl's memory was still fresh). And eyewitness identification, especially among children, can be very shaky and easily suggestible. No photo line-ups were used by the cops. The first victim was taken to the field where Josh was arrested and identified him as he stood handcuffed and soiled by a cop car, with a cop holding him. The other girls identified him from the newspaper, which the investigating detective held up while asking if that was the guy who attacked them.

The only photo line-up was given to each alleged victim by the defense. None of them identified Josh's photo as their attacker.

That is the gist of the case. There's also the fact that each alleged victim, including the first one, claimed they saw Josh the day before the attack, stalking them. Josh was actually home that day with his girlfriend and her family, but the jury didn't believe them.

And it's hard to disregard the testimony of 4 eyewitnesses who were positive Josh was the man they saw. They could not recall the features of his face - including whether or not he had a mustache or was wearing the ball cap he always wears and was wearing when he was arrested. But still, they were all young children who were positive of their identifications.

Josh's own witnesses were barely allowed to testify, the judge kept sustaining the prosecutor's objections of "relevance." Josh's eyewitness expert was not allowed to testify.

I guess you had to be there to realize how very odd the whole thing was.

Oh, and I meant the police in Inyo County lie. In Josh's case, many Bishop Police officers lied. The most blatant liar was officer Rossy, who tasered and arrested Josh. He was caught lying on the stand. He first told the jury that he had destroyed the clothes Josh was wearing the date of his arrest because they were a biohazard. Then he claimed that by "destroyed" he meant that he threw them away in a regular trash can. Then the clothes were found at the jail with Josh's other possesions a day after Rossy testified. The jury did not seem to think this was suspicious or any reason to discredit Rossy's previous testimony (regarding details of Josh's arrest).

Other lies were simple, such as the officers testifying that they rarely see people walking on the streets during the morning, in the area Josh was arrested. Any local knows that's not true. The place is highly populated, and I always found it odd there were so few witnesses, considering the dense population and foot traffic. But what can you say when cops, who are considered familiar with the streets they patrol, lie about such details? A lay person could not testify to the opposite, their testimony would not be credible.

The most frustrating lies from the Inyo LE are the distortions of fact- which is what they tend to do with Renee and Shaleen's cases as well. That is, they insinuate or openly speculate, twisting the truth. This is much more subtle, but still effective in swaying public opinion.

[Bluefox]

Ah now that is an entirely different ball game! It's pretty obvious the judge prevented Josh recieving proper defence! A complete hotch-potch from the details you have given. I know that over here, if something as blatant as this happens, the guy's defence can take it further, and it goes in front of 3 higher judges, who can decide whether to declare it unfair and order a new trial. Do you have anything like this in place there?

With the corruption you detail, i can quite see girls as young as this, being influenced, at the same time, do these girls not realise that identifying the wrong guy, means that the real perp is still out there? Yes, it is a very complex case and very worrying.

LE must begin to understand that the public doesn't want or need them to just put ANY guy away for a crime, and clear their books, we need to see the work done and the real perp locked up.

From what you say, am i to understand that Josh has no previous? Especially for this type of crime? If not, i do hope his defence aren't letting it rest there!

[Wichita]

The same thing would happen here, too, if the whole damn system wasn't corrupt from the street cop to the judge's chambers. But, "We just don't have enough resources" according the prosecutor. Tsk, Tsk....

[spudrod]

The same thing would happen here, too, if the whole damn system wasn't corrupt from the street cop to the judge's chambers. But, "We just don't have enough resources" according the prosecutor. Tsk, Tsk....

Just not enough resources, somewhat true, it's not enough money going where it's needed, it's too many people abusing the system, it's not reaching all the kids with a good education, it's the wrong people in our public offices, it's too much violence and sex on television, it's too many excuses, it's just too much. And it can change, it just takes enough to stand up and say enough. I say thanks to all you here, it's great to conversre with all of you.

[curiousfriend]

Couldn't agree more with the above two comments. You guys nailed it!!!!

[spudrod]

When posting a picture in these posts does it always have to be a URL?

[spudrod]

With this shutting down, was anyone going to keep record of these posts?

[curiousfriend]

I believe that LetsBeConcerned is keeping record of all of the threads - I could be wrong though. Good Idea Too, I think!

[spudrod]

I was thinking for a few bucks a month, www.reneefox.com (http://www.reneefox.com) could be done, then there would be a permanent site available. But that domain is already taken, was someone already pursuing that idea?

[cabojenn]

I was thinking for a few bucks a month, www.reneefox.com (http://www.reneefox.com) could be done, then there would be a permanent site available. But that domain is already taken, was someone already pursuing that idea?

I haven't heard anything about a web site other than her myspace. Then again, I have been kept out of the loop for some time now (they can't even pick up the phone to tell me they are happy about my engagement) so it's possible. But if it wasn't my dear family, there is always a .net address or something.

[spudrod]

Well then, congratulations on the engagement, when's the big day?

[curiousfriend]

Congrats! Cabo, Hope you have a wonderful future together

[Inyo Native]

Congrats, CaboJenn! How exciting!

[LetsBeConcerned]

Now that it has been confirmed that these boards are closing….

I would like to propose what everyone here would consider how you would categorize Renee’s Story… NOW…. It has been moved so very many times as the story & circumstances kept changing …

A missing person (never considered a crime nor did the LE consider Renee to be in danger even though her purse was found in the road miles from her car) & help for missing families

Sex crimes

Cold cases (even though it is not considered an open crime)

Mysterious deaths

Political concerns

And I am sure there is more….

I have already have become a member of this site http://helpfindthemissing.org/

How to start over again will interesting… I have been collecting all the news reports for a while now and have been transcribing for the longest time, I still don’t have all of them but do have most… my hands started cramping so started scanning them and posting them,… in hopes that someone else could volunteer to start transcribing them and ultimately have a thread with the news in a timeline so everyone could understand how everything transpired.

There have been many sites about Renee, so many have moved or taken down…At least this time we have some warning so we can still keep in touch and be updated.

Any new links that come up can be posted here….

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/lone-pine-ca/TG5D9BLIF9IGRB1I1/p24

I am sure that Renee’s story will continue on 320Sycamore.com as soon as it is available.

A new start may be to our benefit…. maybe even more will take notice~!!!

I want to thank everyone here for taking such an interest into what REALLY happened to Renee…Your support has been greatly appreciated~!!!

I been trying to copy all the threads on here which I counted five.

Renee Fox…Fading from the media

Renee Fox… Bones Identified as hers

Still Waiting for Test Results in Desert Deaths of Renee Fox & Shaleen Duckey…

Renee Fox… Dangers on the Road for a Single Woman

“Calling All Profilers”
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=288181&page=1

I wonder if the written articles will stay up or are they going to disappear too~?:shrug:

Hopefully this change will be for the better and those that have not been able to register/login/ post pictures/ or words will find it easier at the new sites as well as navigating.

Even though this site may vanish… We are a tenacious group and we are willing to do what is necessary to keep this discussion going, Renee’s family and son, deserves some answers~!!!!

Which site will work better for each individual, is the only question…..:seeya: :seeya: :seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

I was thinking for a few bucks a month, www.reneefox.com (http://www.reneefox.com) could be done, then there would be a permanent site available. But that domain is already taken, was someone already pursuing that idea?


Renee Fox is also the name of a proffesor & Doctor who has done many lectures and written books.

"Roger Rabbit's" love interest was "Jessica Renee Fox" (a cartoon disney movie from years ago) which also spurned many porn sites which also caused many more problems as to coming up with a proper domain name.

It was looked into back when Renee first went missing… But it became too difficult and time consuming to maintain. :o

[LetsBeConcerned]

I haven't heard anything about a web site other than her myspace. Then again, I have been kept out of the loop for some time now (they can't even pick up the phone to tell me they are happy about my engagement) so it's possible. But if it wasn't my dear family, there is always a .net address or something.

Dearest Jennifer,

I am glad to see that you are out of the hospital and I hope you are feeling better~!!! I remember hearing sometime ago that he had come to California to “ask permission” from the family…and then wondering what he was waiting for… :biggrin:

Keeping us all guessing on when and how this perfect moment was going to be~!! I glad that he has finally made it official and I am soooo excited for you~!!!

Love Ya~!! :seeya: :seeya:

[Bluefox]

It's very difficult to give a new title. There are certainly many mysteries contained in the story, but i'm kinda leaning towards Political Concerns, as it's the shoddy work of local LE, and/or involvement of LE which prevents progress on these cases at all and any kind of closure! Yet it's what they're there for, it's why people pay taxes to pay them, and also so that the public don't take it into their own hands, and string up anybody who remotely resembles a suspect. So yes, Political Concerns!

[cabojenn]

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[FDInLaw]

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What's been going on Jenn?

Good to see you! :seeya:

[cabojenn]

I've been focused on work. Haven't been around because I needed some time to heal. Renee would be furious with me for neglecting my family and other responsibilites...

Have you been to the new site? And how are YOU? :rose:

[FDInLaw]

I've been focused on work. Haven't been around because I needed some time to heal. Renee would be furious with me for neglecting my family and other responsibilites...

Have you been to the new site? And how are YOU? :rose:I hear ya. . . have had my share of breaks too.

If you are talking about FW's new site, no, I'm not a member there. I'm not sure what happened but this site is still here. It seems the only real change was that FW left. Sad that she took so many great posters with her.

As long as Nona's forum is here I'll be around, don't be a stranger!

HUGS ~ FD

[cabojenn]

I hear ya. . . have had my share of breaks too.

If you are talking about FW's new site, no, I'm not a member there. I'm not sure what happened but this site is still here. It seems the only real change was that FW left. Sad that she took so many great posters with her.

As long as Nona's forum is here I'll be around, don't be a stranger!

HUGS ~ FD

It's okay to be at two places;)

I just learned a few things I hadn't known before. I just do not have the stomach for talking about it at this moment. Fill ya later.

Big hugs to you.

[Bluefox]

I thought these forums were closing for good? isn't that the case now? Renee is still very much in my thoughts.

[FDInLaw]

It's okay to be at two places;)

I just learned a few things I hadn't known before. I just do not have the stomach for talking about it at this moment. Fill ya later.

Big hugs to you.HUGGERS! :( :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

I would like to share my take on Renee and her Memorial, Saturday, August 26, 2006 to those of you that are following the case.

Renee was obviously a much loved young woman by the over flowing crowd at Reardon Mortuary. It was standing room only and the doors burst at the seams. She was eulogized by many with fond memories of her goodness, her charm, her wittiness, her love of her darling son, her love of her family and friends. The elements of a beautiful and giving woman. Eric, all 5 years old, got up to the mic and spoke a little about his mommy. What a doll he is! The many, many photos of all her beautiful smiles lit up the room. The times of innocent youth, the times of adulthood were there for you to touch your heart. What touched my heart the most was the almost life size picture of Renee and her brother, Eric, at her High School Graduation. It was the most beautiful picture ever taken of any two people. They were so happy together and Eric was so proud of her. They are both desperately missed.
Reese and Traci did a wonderful job at opening their home to this huge crowd. Judy is remarkable in holding up to the public eye and looked beautiful. And Jennifer... you are about the sweetest thing and I know how much you are hurting. I am so very sorry for you. What a resemblance to Renee you have.

I hope that those of you that read this forum continue to follow the case of Renee as someone has to be held accountable. The investigation needs to go in full earnest to find out all the answers. I feel a reporter should have been at her memorial to report the out pouring of love and support from at least 200 friends and family and perhaps that would bring the case more to the fore front up in Inyo County….

God bless Renee. May she be at peace with her brother in Heaven.

I finally got a copy of that picture and thought I would post it here.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneeEric-1.jpg


:rose: Eric Scott Somes 1971 - 1999 :rose:

:rose: Renee Michelle Somes - Fox 1980 - 2006 :rose:

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for sharing the picture.

Rest In Peace Eric & Renee

:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[cabojenn]

I rememer looking over to the right...Reese was standing there, and next to him was Renee's husband who was sobbing...I think he was the only one without a tissue so I passed a pack over his way.

A few minutes later, it was his turn to talk about Renee. Remember when little Eric went up there? Brian told us Eric wanted to talk about his mommy, and wasn't sure what he was going to say. I think he was bracing us because you just never know what a child will say as it could have gone either way. Eric began with, "I know you are crying because you miss my mommy, I miss her too." I think he tried to tell us not to be sad. Does anyone remember what he said? I never really heard him over my owns tears.

Jennifer

[Northwest Girl]

Jennifer,

I just remember him saying "I here everyone crying" I don't remember anything else. I was already crying and when he said that I totally lost it. I am so thankful I brought a box of Kleenex. I wonder if anyone recorded the service?

[LetsBeConcerned]

Thank you for sharing the picture.

Rest In Peace Eric & Renee

:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

You are so welcome~!!! Renee had had a few pictures blown up into life size posters and banners for her brother Eric’s funeral. Nae had gone to great effort trying to make that day special for her brother. It was sad when we had to pull these posters out of storage for Renee’s funeral. Very many people wanted a 5x7 of that same picture. It has taken us a while to find one that was small enough to fit in a scanner.

I personally was standing close to the podium when Brian & lil Eric went up to speak. We all tried to hold it together because we did know that there were also children in the room. I personally ran out when Lil’ Eric said, "I know, we all love her. Everybody does. Everybody misses her. I hear some people crying …We all miss her,"

I know that he did say more than that. I also think that he was given a chair to stand on. I got that impression because of when Aunt Bon stood up to speak, she asked if she could have a chair too~!!! LOL

I want thank everyone that brought boxes of tissues that day~!! The Girls Room had run out of tissues, early, and when I tried to run out another time… there were many outstretched arms with tissues blocking my path~!!!

There was a reporter there, from the University that Renee was planning to attend…. I have copied below her description of the funeral….


At Fox's funeral on Saturday, August 26, Brian Fox stood up with his son, Eric, and praised Renee's skills as a mother.

"I would come home for lunch, from work, and, it was pretty funny actually, on the table there would be breakfast crafts, like Cheerios, and fruit, toast and jelly, and whatever you'd be able to put stuff together. The type of stuff she did to make sure that Eric was entertained and Eric was happy, was amazing. I think for me, it made it easier to be a dad, because I knew that if I ever slacked, she'd pick it up. She picked it up all the time," he said.

Brian made no reference to their marital relations, and quickly had Eric ask for volunteers to speak. There was a pause, as people made out what the little boy had said and summoned up the courage to speak in front of a large audience.

"I know, we all love her. Everybody does. Everybody misses her. I hear some people crying …We all miss her," Eric said. After that, even more people were crying.

Many of the friends that spoke referred to the past, the good old days of junior high and high school. They all mentioned Fox's bright smile, constant good mood, and care for those around her. Several mentioned electric blue highlights, which elicited laughter from the somber audience.

More than 200 people attended the service, which was held at Reardon Mortuary in Simi Valley.

There is more to the article...
http://media.sundial.csun.edu/media/storage/paper862/news/2006/09/05/News/Potential.Csun.Student.Found.Dead-2257086-page3.shtml


PS... There was a capacity sign that Read 200... Yet there were so many people there in the parking lot and the halls that we do think the actual attendance was over 400.

:seeya: :seeya: :seeya:

[cabojenn]

200 people for sitting, though I know every row had people squeezed in. It was standing room only, and yes, the parking lot was full of people standing. I'd say at LEAST 400 people. (Thank you for finding the article with a partial quote of Eric.)

Some days I remember every detail, and other days only bits of it, like walking into her old room that still had her wallpaper from when she was little. It was not a tiny girls room and hadn't been - since I can remember. Her mom had decorated it for a young woman which was smart as Renee was able to grow into it. Anyways, it was so strange to be in that room. I had gone over to Aunties house early with another cousin to get ready; we didn't want her house to be so quiet. Sure her husband was there but Aunt J always had a house full of kids...hers, her sisters kids, her kids friends, because in our family we were always together when we were kids - somewhere.

I think that was the hardest thing I have ever done; changing my clothes in Renee's room, for the last time, for her memorial. Renee's closet had two sliding doors that were also mirrors. I do not remember ever having looked in those mirrors and not see Renee standing or sitting beside me until that day.

Time is supposed to heal which is B.S. It gets easier to get through most days as long as you are an empty shell or, well thankfully my life is full of complications that does not allow me to think of anything except the problems (http://www.corrupttesororesorts.com) at hand. Then for a moment when its quiet, I remember that I am broken. So I come on here and remember all of you that supported our family.

[LetsBeConcerned]

Manner of Death Determined in Duckey Case


Written by Tom Woods
Friday, 02 May 2008
Sgt. Jeff Hollowell with the Inyo Sheriff’s Department reports that after 22, “frustrating,” months, the Department of Justice finally finished their report on the death of 32 year old Bishop resident Shaleen Duckey.

When Duckey was found, many in the community thought that foul play was involved; but with a report finally back from the state labs, this case is being ruled a personal tragedy.

A long awaited DNA report ruled out foul play, leading the Inyo County Coroner to conclude that the manner of death was suicide.

Duckey was reported missing on July 14th, 2006, and found deceased in a field off South Barlow Lane eleven days later on July 25th.

The Inyo Sheriff's investigators enlisted the help of a forensic team with the California Department of Justice to look over the evidence at the scene.

An autopsy had determined that that Duckey had bled to death and that there was methamphetamine and alcohol in her system, Hollowell reports. With a knife found at the scene, the manner of death depended on the DNA examination by the Department of Justice.

Almost two years later, the DOJ returned their conclusion that there was no suspect DNA on any of the evidence collected at the scene. With this long delayed report, the Inyo Coroner was finally able to determine that the manner of death in this case was self inflicted wounds.



http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/905/38/


Anyone else upset by this~?

My prayers go out to her children, who will grow up without thier mother.

:rose: :rose: :rose: Shaleen Renee Duckey :rose: :rose: :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

I just found this article, that came out 2 months ago... A few familiar names are included~!!! Like Bedell (Lead detective in Renee's case) & Sheriff Lutz


DOJ Lags on Shaleen Duckey


Written by Benett Kessler
Friday, 07 March 2008
32 year old Shaleen Duckey of Bishop went missing July 12, 2006. Her dead body was found in a field off Barlow Lane a couple of weeks later. Law Enforcement officers did confirm that they found a knife next to her body, but almost two years later the official cause of Duckey's death is pending.

The reason for the delay is the California Department of Justice laboratory. Over the months, agents there have stated that they are busy with other crimes and haven't gotten the final answer on Duckey.

Inyo Sheriff's Detective Paul Bedell is now in charge of riding herd on the DOJ. He said that he spoke to the Department of Justice at the end of January. Officials told him they would get a final report out by the end of February. That didn't happen, and Bedell said he would start calling again.

Detective Bedell said Inyo Sheriff Bill Lutze is well aware of the delays and plans to go to work on an answer.

The Sheriff's Office brought in DOJ agents to help examine evidence found at the time of discovery of Duckey's body. Bedell said that ever since, the DOJ has had a dozen or so pieces of evidence and has not concluded the case. He called it "very frustrating", particularly for the family.

The Inyo Coroner also waits on the DOJ to declare the official cause of death of the young woman.

Last May, we spoke to the DOJ and Attorney General's office about these delays. At the time, a press person told us that the Duckey case was not a priority. The spokesman refused to offer a date when Inyo County could expect a final report.

Asked if the Inyo Sheriff's office will use the DOJ lab in the future, Detective Bedell said the office would use private labs in the future. He said there are a couple of private facilities that perform forensic tests with a lot faster end date.




http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/718/38/

[LetsBeConcerned]

Final piece of puzzle closes Duckey case
Tuesday, 06 May 2008


Shaleen Duckey

By Darcy Ellis
Editor

5-3-2008

One of the lengthiest investigations in recent Inyo County history – marked by 22 months of crippling sorrow for one Bishop family, compounding frustration for Inyo County sheriff’s detectives and rampant rumors within the community – has come to a close this week.
Almost two years since the body of Shaleen Duckey was found along South Barlow Lane in West Bishop, the Inyo County Coroner’s Office has ruled her death the result of “self-inflicted cutting wounds.”
“It’s a suicide,” Coroner Leon Brune confirmed Friday.


The determination came after decidedly long-awaited DNA test results from Department of Justice labs in Fresno that definitively excluded the presence of any other individuals’ DNA in biological samples collected at the scene back in July 2006.
The absence of any other person’s DNA, the nature of Duckey’s wounds (on her wrists) and other factors, such as lack of defensive wounds, led to the ruling out of foul play – which the local rumor mill had all but established as the young mother’s cause of death in the first weeks after her body was found.
Those close to the case from the very beginning, including Duckey’s loved ones, were given reason early on to suspect otherwise, however.
Brune and sheriff’s investigators met privately and at length with Duckey’s immediate family on Wednesday when the DOJ results were finally in hand. Inyo County officials went over every piece of evidence with the grieving relatives, Brune said, in the hopes of providing Duckey’s survivors with some answers that someday could lead to closure and some semblance of peace.
The coroner, also a longtime funeral home owner with decades of experience counseling the bereaved, described Duckey’s loved ones as “distraught” and noted they were given time to break the news to other family members before officials made the finding public Friday morning.
“Frustrating” was the word Sheriff’s Sgt. Jeff Hollowell used to describe the feeling of investigators who were running into a brick wall at the DOJ, and hearing the murmurings of an indignant public as the months wore on with a perceived lack of action on their part.
Reality was, there was nothing the Sheriff’s Department could do once the evidence had been collected by the DOJ except wait until the feds’ test results were complete.
It was particularly frustrating, however, in that the DNA test results were essentially the last piece of the puzzle needed to determine what happened to Duckey on the side of the road so many months ago.
The case all started with a missing persons report filed with Inyo County Sheriff’s Department on July 14. Duckey was last seen the morning of July 12 in front of her residence and when she failed to return home, relatives went to the authorities.

Fliers were posted around Bishop and surrounding areas in an effort to elicit tips on her possible whereabouts. Nothing panned out and more than a week passed with growing dread on the part of her friends and family members, as well as heightened public scrutiny thanks to an unrelated case that also involved a missing young woman in the Independence area.Worst fears were confirmed July 25 when residents walking along South Barlow Lane about 8:02 p.m. discovered a woman’s remains – later confirmed to be those of Duckey.
At the time, and to this day, it is unknown how long Duckey’s body lay several hundred feet from the roadway which is heavily frequented by runners, bicyclists and walkers. It was speculated it could have been as long as two weeks or even two days, considering the intense heat the valley was experiencing at the time.
According to Brune, the State of California allows time of death to be classified as the time and date of a body’s discovery. As such, Duckey’s death certificate lists her time of death as 8:02 p.m., July 25, 2006.
Because of the “special circumstances” surrounding the death, Brune and Hollowell reported, the Sheriff’s Department called in a DOJ forensic team which processed the entire scene and collected various items of “evidentiary value.” These items, retired detective and former lead investigator on the case Marsten Mottweiler previously reported, included a knife and bicycle.
The forensic team, including a fingerprint expert and a blood serology expert, returned to Fresno with several samples and items with the expectation given to Inyo County officials that results would be forthcoming within weeks.
An autopsy was conducted July 27 by a Southern California medical examiner under contract with Inyo County and additional evidence turned up during the post-mortem exam was sent to the Fresno DNA lab. Within about seven weeks, Brune said, pathology results, including a toxicology report, were complete.
At that point, the coroner had an official cause of death – hemorrhagic shock (blood loss) as a result of cutting wounds on her wrists. (Duckey did not have any other wounds on her body – defensive or otherwise – despite what has been widely reported on the street.) Methamphetamine, amphetamine and ethanol, or alcohol, were detected in her system.
Armed with those results, all Brune needed was to determine a “manner” of death, and couldn’t do that without the DOJ’s lab results.
No one had any idea it would be nearly two years before those results would be forthcoming, though it soon became clear with every new estimate from the DOJ – first it was “in a couple weeks,” then “within a couple months” – that the Duckey case was not priority number one for the Fresno lab.
Mottweiler, who prior to his retirement had been calling into the DOJ once a month for updates, explained that while Inyo County doesn’t do that much DNA processing, he can recall only one other investigation involving lengthy testing for identification purposes, and that took three years.
According to Brune, the sad fact of the matter was that the DOJ lab processes hundreds of DNA results a week for murder trials ready to go to court, and did not see the Duckey case samples to be as pressing.
In the end, Brune said, the case has been a “learning experience,” one that will lead the county to seek the use of different labs for its DNA testing in the future.
A private lab, according to Brune, would be able to return results in about three months instead of 22.
“It will cost the county some money,” he said, “but it will be worth it – for all involved.”


Last Updated ( Wednesday, 07 May 2008 )

http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/97649/

[FDInLaw]

Final piece of puzzle closes Duckey case
Tuesday, 06 May 2008


Shaleen Duckey

By Darcy Ellis
Editor

5-3-2008

One of the lengthiest investigations in recent Inyo County history – marked by 22 months of crippling sorrow for one Bishop family, compounding frustration for Inyo County sheriff’s detectives and rampant rumors within the community – has come to a close this week.
Almost two years since the body of Shaleen Duckey was found along South Barlow Lane in West Bishop, the Inyo County Coroner’s Office has ruled her death the result of “self-inflicted cutting wounds.”
“It’s a suicide,” Coroner Leon Brune confirmed Friday.


The determination came after decidedly long-awaited DNA test results from Department of Justice labs in Fresno that definitively excluded the presence of any other individuals’ DNA in biological samples collected at the scene back in July 2006.
The absence of any other person’s DNA, the nature of Duckey’s wounds (on her wrists) and other factors, such as lack of defensive wounds, led to the ruling out of foul play – which the local rumor mill had all but established as the young mother’s cause of death in the first weeks after her body was found.
Those close to the case from the very beginning, including Duckey’s loved ones, were given reason early on to suspect otherwise, however.
Brune and sheriff’s investigators met privately and at length with Duckey’s immediate family on Wednesday when the DOJ results were finally in hand. Inyo County officials went over every piece of evidence with the grieving relatives, Brune said, in the hopes of providing Duckey’s survivors with some answers that someday could lead to closure and some semblance of peace.
The coroner, also a longtime funeral home owner with decades of experience counseling the bereaved, described Duckey’s loved ones as “distraught” and noted they were given time to break the news to other family members before officials made the finding public Friday morning.
“Frustrating” was the word Sheriff’s Sgt. Jeff Hollowell used to describe the feeling of investigators who were running into a brick wall at the DOJ, and hearing the murmurings of an indignant public as the months wore on with a perceived lack of action on their part.
Reality was, there was nothing the Sheriff’s Department could do once the evidence had been collected by the DOJ except wait until the feds’ test results were complete.
It was particularly frustrating, however, in that the DNA test results were essentially the last piece of the puzzle needed to determine what happened to Duckey on the side of the road so many months ago.
The case all started with a missing persons report filed with Inyo County Sheriff’s Department on July 14. Duckey was last seen the morning of July 12 in front of her residence and when she failed to return home, relatives went to the authorities.

Fliers were posted around Bishop and surrounding areas in an effort to elicit tips on her possible whereabouts. Nothing panned out and more than a week passed with growing dread on the part of her friends and family members, as well as heightened public scrutiny thanks to an unrelated case that also involved a missing young woman in the Independence area.Worst fears were confirmed July 25 when residents walking along South Barlow Lane about 8:02 p.m. discovered a woman’s remains – later confirmed to be those of Duckey.
At the time, and to this day, it is unknown how long Duckey’s body lay several hundred feet from the roadway which is heavily frequented by runners, bicyclists and walkers. It was speculated it could have been as long as two weeks or even two days, considering the intense heat the valley was experiencing at the time.
According to Brune, the State of California allows time of death to be classified as the time and date of a body’s discovery. As such, Duckey’s death certificate lists her time of death as 8:02 p.m., July 25, 2006.
Because of the “special circumstances” surrounding the death, Brune and Hollowell reported, the Sheriff’s Department called in a DOJ forensic team which processed the entire scene and collected various items of “evidentiary value.” These items, retired detective and former lead investigator on the case Marsten Mottweiler previously reported, included a knife and bicycle.
The forensic team, including a fingerprint expert and a blood serology expert, returned to Fresno with several samples and items with the expectation given to Inyo County officials that results would be forthcoming within weeks.
An autopsy was conducted July 27 by a Southern California medical examiner under contract with Inyo County and additional evidence turned up during the post-mortem exam was sent to the Fresno DNA lab. Within about seven weeks, Brune said, pathology results, including a toxicology report, were complete.
At that point, the coroner had an official cause of death – hemorrhagic shock (blood loss) as a result of cutting wounds on her wrists. (Duckey did not have any other wounds on her body – defensive or otherwise – despite what has been widely reported on the street.) Methamphetamine, amphetamine and ethanol, or alcohol, were detected in her system.
Armed with those results, all Brune needed was to determine a “manner” of death, and couldn’t do that without the DOJ’s lab results.
No one had any idea it would be nearly two years before those results would be forthcoming, though it soon became clear with every new estimate from the DOJ – first it was “in a couple weeks,” then “within a couple months” – that the Duckey case was not priority number one for the Fresno lab.
Mottweiler, who prior to his retirement had been calling into the DOJ once a month for updates, explained that while Inyo County doesn’t do that much DNA processing, he can recall only one other investigation involving lengthy testing for identification purposes, and that took three years.
According to Brune, the sad fact of the matter was that the DOJ lab processes hundreds of DNA results a week for murder trials ready to go to court, and did not see the Duckey case samples to be as pressing.
In the end, Brune said, the case has been a “learning experience,” one that will lead the county to seek the use of different labs for its DNA testing in the future.
A private lab, according to Brune, would be able to return results in about three months instead of 22.
“It will cost the county some money,” he said, “but it will be worth it – for all involved.”


Last Updated ( Wednesday, 07 May 2008 )

http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/97649/:mad: It is just not acceptable to let a family wait this long! :flamemad:

[LetsBeConcerned]

:mad: It is just not acceptable to let a family wait this long! :flamemad:

Not only that… last years reasoning was that the blood samples were too degraded to get DNA including Shaleen’s DNA on the knife. They even questioned if they would be able to get fingerprints.

I know for certain that it rained up there when Renee was missing, I would like to know if it also rained when Shaleen was missing~? If so, it would seem unlikely that they would be able to retrieve such minute samples of good quality.

Why would the sheriff’s be so secretive, keeping everything “close to the chest”~? FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS~!!!!

My family remembers the day that they found Shaleen very well~!! That was the very day that the police started to inquire about Renee’s computer etc… The family was excited that the police were actually taking Renee’s disappearance seriously and investigating it… a family member called the lead detective for an update, but he was too busy to talk… Which was great for us and we did not to interrupt his work….

THEN…The same family member got a call from a reporter wanting a statement about the woman’s body that was found in Inyo County…She had no comment to make since none of the officers that she talked to that day had mentioned anything about a body being found~!!!

She called the detective back, WANTING ANSWERS~!!! She wanted to know if it was Renee~? And WHY he had not mentioned anything before about the other missing woman or a BODY had been found~!!!!! He couldn’t plead ignorance since he was working both cases~!! He said about her skin color, dark hair and a Rose tattooed on her ankle suggests that it was Shaleen Renee Duckey…..

At the same time the family was trying to make arrangements for the search for Renee, finding airports, hotels, food, water, printing flyers, getting donations, volunteers etc…

I believe that year was the wettest and hottest on record for California. Even though it was sunny and dry when we left L.A. We had encountered rain and lightning storms in Inyo County. Then signs everywhere not to drink the water because lightning had struck the purification plant.

We had worried that if the weather did not let up, that we might have to postpone the search for Renee.

Here is the weather report from the Inyo Register…. I just answered my own question, It DID RAIN BEFORE Shaleen's body was found, check out “Last Week’s Almanac” (the Front Page headline is “Body Found in field off road in Bishop”) I now wonder how much it rained the week before that~?

Thursday, July 27, 2006

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/July272006weather.jpg

Here the article on the front page accompanied with the headline “Body Confirmed to Be Duckey” It was funny that even though the hotel had plenty of Ice we had to go the store to buy bags of it for our drinks~!!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/july292006drinkwater.jpg


Here is a picture of where Shaleen was found, it is not that far from the road either~!!!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/bodyconfirm1A3-1.jpg

[LetsBeConcerned]

Here is a close-up of the memorial that appeared on the Front Page



http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/july292006b2-1.jpg

[LetsBeConcerned]

This was originally posted in October 13, 2006. It somehow did a vanishing act. Because of its importance to the case with the response from the Inyo County Sheriff’s Department, I have decided to repost it here.


Originally posted by Freshwater

CLR: Inyo County Sheriff Department Response to Family Concerns. Part I


Renee Fox


Four months after Renee Fox, a 25-year-old mother, wandered off into the high desert near Bishop, California, only to be found dead six weeks later, some of her family members continue to maintain that authorities failed to mount a vigorous enough search for her, and they allege that may have contributed to her tragic death.

For its part, the Inyo County Sheriff’s Department, which headed the search for the missing woman and has handled the investigation into her death, insists that its officers acted appropriately. They maintain that they devoted adequate resources to the search and that they kept Renee’s estranged husband, legally her next of kin, informed as the search progressed.

At the moment, the young woman’s death remains the subject of an open investigation. While authorities say there was no sign of foul play, they are awaiting the results of a toxicological report before officially determining a manner of death in the case. Authorities say they expect those results to be released shortly.

And while those results will no doubt answer some of the questions that still swirl around the disappearance and death of Renee Fox, they will in all likelihood do little to quell the debate over the handling of the case.

In an effort to clarify that debate, we at Crime Library have solicited a statement from Renee’s family, detailing their concerns, and have also obtained a response from Inyo County Sheriff’s Department Sgt. Marston Motweiler and are publishing them both.



STATEMENT FROM RENEE FOX’S FAMILY:

Concerns about Inyo County…

BIGGEST CONCERN…They WAITED until the next day to even start to search for Renee.

The California Department of Forestry snickered when hearing that a woman was walking in the canyon in the desert heat, joking that they hope it’s in the sheriff’s jurisdiction and not in the CDF’s jurisdiction.

Renee was seen late in the afternoon, June 24, when it was starting to cool off. She was given enough water to survive till the next morning. The sheriff’s department did not start looking for Renee until Sunday, June 25, at 3:30 in the afternoon, after her purse was found.

Had they gone out at the time that Renee was seen walking, (knowing where she was and therefore being able to find her) and spared the expense of 4 days of searching… Renee would be alive today~!!

The search by Inyo County was not as extensive as the sheriff’s department implied.

Reese and Tracey were up there on Tuesday, 6-27-06, to help with the search by Inyo County. While the Inyo Search and Rescue teams were up there. The search lasted LESS than 2 hours. Reese was told that they would return that day… they never did. Which brings serious doubts about how long or extensive they searched prior to that.

The following day, the search team proceeded to search further into the canyon than where they found her car. This makes no sense; after all, they found her belongings miles closer to town. Which should have been proof enough, that Renee was headed back to town. NOT back past her car and on to the open DESERT~!!!!

The family was told that they couldn’t have an organized search themselves because it was too dangerous.

Why did they have a problem with the fact that we wanted to be sure she was not in the canyon~?

The sheriff’s department INSISTED that Renee had left the area.

A family member called the detectives in Inyo County to get a copy of the flyers that were being put out. To Quote the Inyo County Sheriff’s Detective Motweiler, “WHAT~!!! WHO’S PUTTING OUT FLYERS~??” We were told that the sheriff’s department was distributing flyers and the family wanted to help by putting out more flyers.

The sheriff’s department discouraged Texas EquuSearch from searching the canyon as well. The area that they did okay for an organized ground search was not in the canyon but about 3 to 5 miles away from the town of Independence on 395. The family searched in similar terrain if not ROUGHER than that as off of Mazourka Road that we wanted to search. Not to mention that this is a main highway with speeding cars with not much of a gravel shoulder to speak of. This highway has one lane in each direction, with a lot of R.V. traffic. A faster moving vehicle will use this shoulder to pass another vehicle with out slowing down MUCH~!!! Yet the AUTHORITIES FELT THAT this area was safer for the family, than searching off of Mazourka Canyon Road. Mazourka Canyon Road has almost no traffic at all.

[LetsBeConcerned]

CLR: Inyo County Sheriff Depatrment Part II





STATEMENT FROM RENEE FOX’S FAMILY: (Continued)


The family fails to see how the area off of 395 would be safer to search or how Renee would get to that area. Renee would have had to catch a ride, go the 8 miles to the highway, THEN instead of going to her right, into town, she would have gone left, out of town, down several miles to be dropped off and then cross this highway with traffic going 55mph or faster, to get to the other side ON FOOT~!! We find this to be impossible, as it took one of the searchers a half hour to cross this traffic in a vehicle.

The organized search off of 395 lasted all day and covered about 5 miles.

The sheriff insisted that Renee was not in the canyon or near Mazourka Canyon Road. Renee was found ¼ mile from where the pavement ends and then turns to dirt off of Mazourka Canyon Road.

Renee was found about 4 miles from the town of Independence, and about 8 miles from her car. That is in-between the town and her car. The forestry service and the sheriff’s department sub-stations are both located near the intersection of Mazourka and 395 in the town of Independence.

Renee was found almost 7 weeks after she disappeared and 2 weeks after EquuSearch tried to organize a search for her.

Had the sheriff’s department allowed an organized search off of Mazourka Canyon Road, Renee would have been found within 15 minutes of searching, and much more evidence would have been preserved. We feel that if the sheriff’s department did not want to search that area more thoroughly, it should have allowed others to do so.

Texas EquuSearch is a professional company with a strong reputation in searching for the missing. This is EquuSearch’s field of expertise and has been asked to come out to other states as well as other countries. Where they have been welcomed with OPEN ARMS~!! Everyone would like to know WHY Inyo County did not welcome Texas EquuSearch in looking for Renee~?

The sheriff’s department personnel have been rude to the family, hanging up the phone when they call.

Renee’s brother, Reese, was told by the detectives in charge not to call again.

Judy, Renee’s mother, has yet to have a single phone call returned to her. When she drove 3 hours to go up there to talk to lead Detective Bedell, Judy was blown off. Another sheriff’s detective told Judy, that if she came back the next day, Bedell would have time for her. Judy has yet to speak with Bedell.

The family strongly feels that Renee was the victim of foul play. We have yet to find any of her clothing except for her pants found near by and her cell phone. The Inyo County Sheriff’s Department is playing down the seriousness of the situation. This is not just about Renee, but also the other citizens that may cross the same path of this killer. The sheriff’s detectives are very quick to deny everything. Pretending that nothing bad ever happens in their small town.




INYO COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT’S RESPONSE:


In an interview Thursday, Sgt. Motweiler said he understands the family’s frustration, but added, “most of what you have there is inaccurate or has been confused.”

According to Motweiler, there was no missing person’s report filed when Renee first wandered off into the desert after her car broke down on a rugged back road on Saturday, June 24. Nor, he said, was there any immediate indication that the young woman was in jeopardy.

“On Saturday the 24th of June, she was encountered walking on the road. She didn’t appear to be in distress. She was offered water, which she accepted. She solicited no other assistance. And the contact was fairly short in nature.

That was early in the day, several hours later, after these people had gone about their business, done some sightseeing, engaged in other activities, they encountered, had a chance encounter with, I believe, it was forest service personnel who were at the scene several miles away where they had landed a helicopter for repairs and has the original people that had encountered Renee saw someone in uniform, they said, ‘by the way, we saw this woman up in the canyon. Don’t know what’s up with her, but she was up there.’

The following day, on Sunday afternoon, the 25th, unrelated informants found a purse, some personal property. They reported finding that, deputies responded, and that would be the beginning of any involvement.”

Initially, the search was limited, but by the next day, Motweiler said, authorities launched a broader initiative. “On Monday, we brought in ground personnel, utilized multiple agencies, helicopters, and searched the canyon area from where she was reportedly last seen.”

The search, he said, involved “two (Inyo County Sheriff’s Department) sergeants, five search and rescue volunteers, a US forest service ranger, eight Indian Wells Mines rescue volunteers, a forest service helicopter (and) a CHP helicopter.” In all, Motweiler said, “the initial search…encompassed 350 man hours.”

Motweiler denied that the investigators were reluctant to allow Texas EquuSearch to participate in the hunt for Renee, but noted that the nationally known search and rescue operation arrived on the scene five weeks after Renee had vanished and that their efforts would not have significantly alter the tragic outcome of the case. When Renee’s body was found on Aug. 10, it was in an advanced state of decomposition.

Finally, Motweiler disputed the family’s assertion that the sheriff’s department had been less than cooperative with Renee’s distressed relatives.

“We were communicating to the next of kin, the husband,” Motweiller told Crime Library.

“There are some other relatives who would call. We were involved in the search, we were involved in working the case and we can’t go through the same information multiple times, so we contacted the next of kin, we provided information to him as the focal point that all of the family could contact and get information. Apparently that was not satisfactory for some of those family members,” he said.

[LetsBeConcerned]

Today marks the 2 year anniversary of the day that Renee was last seen alive, walking in Mazourka Canyon.

Our family wants to take the time to THANK EVERYONE that has taken an interest in this case and has helped and supported our family.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneeSomesfamily-2.jpg

:rose: :rose: :rose:Renee Michelle Fox :rose: :rose: :rose:

You will forever live in our hearts

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.texasequusearch.org/images_missingpersons/ReneeFox.jpg
:rose: Renee :rose:



Prayers for Renee's loved ones! You are not walking this road alone. God bless ~ FD :rose:

[cabojenn]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2401164&posted=1#post2401164

After a little more than a year, someone revived Renee's thread on websleuths:

This thread ain't dead yet!



Here are photos of the postcards. The links that were provided in a previous post are no longer working. Also, is anyone still following this case on WS?:
Attached Images rfox1.jpg (62.3 KB, 16 views)
rfox2.jpg (91.9 KB, 16 views)

(His/Her links won't work here)

My take



After reading the posts and looking at the postcards, this is what I came up with:

The first postcard is signed Elliot Ness, Chloride, Arizona.

The second postcard is "signed" 520-457-3008 .

An internet search comes up with that phone number for the former Tumbling Tumbleweed newspaper once located in Tombstone, AZ. The newspaper is no longer published and was once owned by a man named Bob Candland.

Bob Candland was a former police officer in San Diego, California and had bought the Tumbling Tumbleweed newspaper in Tombstone, AZ in 1993.

While there, he exposed a lot of corruption in the local law enforcement. He was accused of murder and threatened with lynching. The murder accusations referred to a series of prostitutes found murdered in San Diego. One of those prostitutes was Donna Gentile. Her mouth was stuffed with rocks, "
Quote:
presumably a sign that she'd been killed to keep her quiet."

(Note the second postcard with a picture of just rocks) Before her death in June, 1985, she had filed a lawsuit against Candland and six other policemen for harrassment.


Quote:
Tom Streed, head of a police task force charged with finding the prostitute killer or killers, suspected that one or more San Diego cops might be involved. But Streed was transferred back to homicide and no killer has ever been found.

Quote:
The Tumbleweed also has reported on more uncomfortable issues, such as a request by the Town Council that the Arizona Attorney General's office investigate an alleged relationship between the Town Clerk and a prison inmate working at Town Hall on the DUI work program. That and other matters eventually forced the clerk's resignation.

But most of the controversy has swirled around a series of stories on the Tombstone Marshal's Office. They include Marshal Bobby Gerencser's refusal to release public documents, the possible use of excessive force by deputies, the lack of a Town Council-approved manual and no central evidence log.

The paper also revealed the questionable activities and backgrounds of several deputies. Among them:

• Charles Curry, an off-duty reserve deputy, was discovered drinking beer in the walk-in cooler of the local Circle K. He resigned after the story ran.

• Deputy Danny Romero received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy for drug abuse and was indicted for vehicular homicide in 1987. In the second incident, an accident on State Route 186 near Willcox, a teenage girl was thrown from Romero's truck and killed. Police reports say Romero had been drinking, but refused to submit to a blood test. The charge against him was later dropped for lack of evidence.

• Dawn Stanley, another of the Marshal's hires, had been fired by Arizona Game & Fish following a series of allegations, including lying and failing to do assigned tasks, according to a nine-page termination memo prepared by the agency. The background investigation prior to her hiring was done by Danny Romero. He gave her a good recommendation.

• Deputy Will Russell was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon in January 1993, before joining the Marshal's Office. Russell was pulled over near Sierra Vista after a woman spotted a passenger in Russell's jeep wearing a ski mask and screwing a black silencer onto a rifle. Cops found a loaded .357 Magnum under Russell's shirt, and two semi-automatic weapons in a briefcase.

Russell also carried a store-bought badge identifying him as an agent of U.S. Army intelligence. After the Tumbleweed published an account of the incident, Russell wrote to the paper acknowledging that he was carrying a concealed weapon, but said his "military supervisors encouraged this."

In the Army, Russell said he'd been a counter-intelligence agent investigating spies and terrorists, but he was limited in what he could say about his work. "I'm bound by law not to speak about what I did for the government," Russell wrote, adding that he was on his way to trade the weapons for scuba gear. But one investigator suspected Russell of being an illegal gun dealer. He plead guilty and was fined $240.

The above excerpts were from the Tucson Weekly:

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/08-14-97/feat.htm

My take on all this was that someone made a futile attempt to use the postcards to try and implicate Candland in the murder of Renee Fox by listing his phone number on the postcard and making a reference to "Elliot Ness" because of his expose of corruption in the Tombstone Marshall's office (this, I believe, was alluded to in the other postcard showing the LE officer with distorted features and the pictures of alcohol, knowing that a background check would reveal his alleged involvement in the San Diego hooker deaths and his expose of the above-named officers.

With all the threats to Candland above and the corruption he exposed, any of the accused had motive to try and frame him.

If I had my druthers, because of the reference to Elliot Ness in the postcard, I'd look into Deputy Will Russell's background since he was found carrying a fake badge when he was pulled over. Why would a cop carry a fake badge?

Or, maybe it was the actual San Diego prostitute killer trying to frame Candland and take the heat off himself.



Any thoughts?


Another sad event for our family, especially Renee's mother: Renee's eldest brother David passed away a few days ago, likely from heart failure. David was the oldest of four children. My heart goes out to my Aunt, as she has lost three of her four children in nine years.

[LetsBeConcerned]

http://www.texasequusearch.org/images_missingpersons/ReneeFox.jpg
:rose: Renee :rose:



Prayers for Renee's loved ones! You are not walking this road alone. God bless ~ FD :rose:

Please Keep praying for our family, as we have received some devastating news this Week.

Renee’s Brother, David, has passed away on July 16, 2008 at the age of 43. David was the beloved father of 3 children. He died in his sleep of natural causes. Please continue to keep our family in your thoughts and prayers during this most difficult time.

Here is a video Clip that has David speaking out after Renee’s body was found, as well as the postcards.
http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=23373@kcbs.dayport.com




http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneeSomesfamily-3-1.jpg
Renee & David

:rose:
Robert David Waldvogel
:rose: :rose: :rose:
Born 10-28-64 passed away 7-16-08
David may your body and soul finally rest in peace
We Love You~!!!!!!

:rose:

[FDInLaw]

Please Keep praying for our family, as we have received some devastating news this Week.

Renee’s Brother, David, has passed away on July 16, 2008 at the age of 43. David was the beloved father of 3 children. He died in his sleep of natural causes. Please continue to keep our family in your thoughts and prayers during this most difficult time.

Here is a video Clip that has David speaking out after Renee’s body was found, as well as the postcards.
http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=23373@kcbs.dayport.com




http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneeSomesfamily-3-1.jpg
Renee & David

:rose:
Robert David Waldvogel
:rose: :rose: :rose:
Born 10-28-64 passed away 7-16-08
David may your body and soul finally rest in peace
We Love You~!!!!!!

:rose:

I'm so sorry! May David be at peace. Love & Prayers ~ FD :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[SaraSidle]

Please Keep praying for our family, as we have received some devastating news this Week.

Renee’s Brother, David, has passed away on July 16, 2008 at the age of 43. David was the beloved father of 3 children. He died in his sleep of natural causes. Please continue to keep our family in your thoughts and prayers during this most difficult time.

Here is a video Clip that has David speaking out after Renee’s body was found, as well as the postcards.
http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=23373@kcbs.dayport.com



http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneeSomesfamily-3-1.jpg
Renee & David

:rose:
Robert David Waldvogel
:rose: :rose: :rose:
Born 10-28-64 passed away 7-16-08
David may your body and soul finally rest in peace
We Love You~!!!!!!

:rose:



I am so sorry. I am praying for the family. :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Rene Fox Memorial Destroyed
Written by Benett Kessler
Monday, 04 August 2008

http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1157/38/

"Two years ago this of year, the body of 25 year old Rene Fox from Simi Valley, was found outside Independence off Mazourka Canyon Road. Authorities said she died from acute methamphetamine intoxication. Those who sympathized with the young woman's plight created a memorial where her body was found. Local people had kept it maintained until recently when someone destroyed it.

Wayne Deja of Lone Pine said that he and a two women from Independence went to the memorial a couple of times a month to keep things in good shape, including solar-powered lights. Deja, himself, had said he held particular understanding about those taken in by drugs, and he felt sorry for the young woman who got lost in the desert here and died. Deja said unknown people had left angel figurines, stuffed animals and messages and prayers in the wooden prayer box on the site.

At the end of July, Deja stopped by and found that someone had destroyed everything and thrown out all the items. Deja said all the glass angels were broken,stuffed animals torn up, pictures cut up and solar lights broken.

Deja said a hand-written note said, "This religious site has no business on public land, see the First Amendment."

Deja said many people had found the memorial "spiritual and touching." He was saddened by the person who destroyed it. Deja said the prayer books was still intact. He will try to get it to Fox's family to let them know many people did care about Rene Fox's tragic end."


You can watch the video here(if it doesn’t go directly to the clip, it is the first in Segment 3)
http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/21/28/


This JERK needs to READ the first amendment and KNOW about the FREEDOM OF SPEECH~!!!:flamemad: :no: :flamemad: :no: :flamemad:

I SAY REBUILD~!!!!!!!


Comments~???

:seeya: :seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Rene Fox Memorial Destroyed
Written by Benett Kessler
Monday, 04 August 2008

http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1157/38/

"Two years ago this of year, the body of 25 year old Rene Fox from Simi Valley, was found outside Independence off Mazourka Canyon Road. Authorities said she died from acute methamphetamine intoxication. Those who sympathized with the young woman's plight created a memorial where her body was found. Local people had kept it maintained until recently when someone destroyed it.

Wayne Deja of Lone Pine said that he and a two women from Independence went to the memorial a couple of times a month to keep things in good shape, including solar-powered lights. Deja, himself, had said he held particular understanding about those taken in by drugs, and he felt sorry for the young woman who got lost in the desert here and died. Deja said unknown people had left angel figurines, stuffed animals and messages and prayers in the wooden prayer box on the site.

At the end of July, Deja stopped by and found that someone had destroyed everything and thrown out all the items. Deja said all the glass angels were broken,stuffed animals torn up, pictures cut up and solar lights broken.

Deja said a hand-written note said, "This religious site has no business on public land, see the First Amendment."

Deja said many people had found the memorial "spiritual and touching." He was saddened by the person who destroyed it. Deja said the prayer books was still intact. He will try to get it to Fox's family to let them know many people did care about Rene Fox's tragic end."


You can watch the video here(if it doesn’t go directly to the clip, it is the first in Segment 3)
http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/21/28/


This JERK needs to READ the first amendment and KNOW about the FREEDOM OF SPEECH~!!!:flamemad: :no: :flamemad: :no: :flamemad:

I SAY REBUILD~!!!!!!!


Comments~???

:seeya: :seeya:

[cabojenn]

I am going to comment without really giving myself time to let this sink in...before I get really angry or emotional.

Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression.

While most of the religious items at Nae's Memorial did not reflect the beliefs of Renee or her family :seeya: it was still a very beautiful thing to see how so many different people contributed something that was from their own faith.

While three people maintained the site, it is obvious that many felt compelled to exercise their right to express themselves without judgment. It was a beautiful gesture to leave behind something that was personal, and was of great comfort to our family and Renee's friends.

There are also those that believe that whoever really knows what happened to Renee had...well it seemed that there may have been clues...

It leaves me to wonder if this was done by an extremist, or did someone touch a nerve?

I would call this a hate crime, though I am not sure if it falls under the definition of the law, or my heart. It is one thing to dismantle...another to destroy.

[FDInLaw]

This JERK needs to READ the first amendment and KNOW about the FREEDOM OF SPEECH~!!!:flamemad: :no:

I SAY REBUILD~!!!!!!!


Comments~???

:seeya: :seeya:Are you serious??? Someone demolished Renee's memorial in order to make a statement about church and state???? :cuss: I'm sorry. . . this is a travesty!!! :( If we lived in the area the kids and I would be loading up the van and heading out to help rebuild. This is beyond ridiculous! It's not like the site was highly visible. Besides, how many millions of acres does the government own (don't get me on that soap box lol)!

I say rebuild. . . bigger & better. . . and put some hidden motion cameras in place!!! :hat:

For Reene. . . :rose: :rose: :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

I first want to thank everyone for your kind thoughts and prayers for David and our family~!!! It was sad that we weren’t even aloud to grieve over David when someone started attacking Renee’s memory~!!!

I would like for everyone here to give their support to the Local Inyo Community for the rebuilding of the memorial and post here where they are more likely to see your messages. http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1157/38/

I know that it was not easy for them to build the memorial the first time, but I am sure that it will be better the second time~!!!

:seeya: :seeya: :seeya:

[Jer's Grandma]

My sympathies for the entire family.

[LetsBeConcerned]

I found this link to a sad story of a man that went missing while hiking in the mountains in Inyo County… While I agree a THOUSAND PERCENT with what Angelique had to say… It is also suspected that Renee’s memorial was destroyed the weekend of July 18….

I have copied the article and comment below…

http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1128/38/




Body Believed to be Missing Hiker Found in Sierra
Written by Benett Kessler
Wednesday, 16 July 2008


With no solid leads at the end day seven in the search for missing mountaineer Ric DeVan, Inyo County Sheriff Bill Lutze called off the search effort, but then a family member or friend found DeVan's backpack. That discovery led to the grim finding of DeVan's body nearby.

According to a website posting by DeVan's father on the Whitney Portal Store Forum, the Inyo Search and Rescue Team that returned to the mountains this morning found DeVan's body several hundred feet up the mountain from the backpack. Inyo Sheriff Bill Lutze later confirmed the discovery. He said the body was turned over to the Inyo County Coroner.

Spokesmen said that the backpack was found close to Mt. Goode and that discovery prompted Inyo Search and Rescue crews to go back up into the mountains for one more look. The 44 year old San Diego man had been missing in the Bishop Pass area since July Fourth. Sheriff Lutze said the body was flown down to Bishop Airport Wednesday afternoon.

The missing climber was last seen on July third in the Bishop Pass area. DeVan set out on an overnight trip from Bishop Pass toward Mt. Goode on the third of July. He was supposed to meet his wife and daughter at Treasure Lakes on the Fourth but did not arrive.

The last sure sign of DeVan's passage was his signature in the summit register on the 13,000 foot peak of Mt. Goode. In that summit register, Devan indicated that he would next traverse to neighboring Mt. Johnson. There is a difficult ridge between Mt. Goode and Mt. Johnson. Local search teams who traversed the ridge toward Mt. Johnson describe the terrain as treacherous and extremely unstable.

Over the weekend family and friends backpacked or hiked into the mountains to keep the search going. One group took digital photos of the Mt. Goode area in hopes of finding evidence in the photos. Another volunteer group with an unmanned aerial vehicle was reported to be in the area to fly over and take digital photos of the terrain in hopes of finding something the ground searchers missed over the seven days of searching. Reports indicate they did find DeVan's backpack.

Inyo Sheriff Bill Lutze said that this search has been the most exhaustive.


Comments (3)



Angelique Mahaney said:
Ric's family and friends lost a wonderful man. They will have to begin a life without him – as do we all when we lose a loved one. Many of us are praying for this family.

During this search, the volunteers endured terrible conditions at times -- rain, hail, mosquitoes, treacherous trails and very sore bodies. Yet so many wonderful people volunteered during the formal search led by Sheriff Lutze's office and during the informal search after the Sheriff's search was called off. There are not enough ways to say thank you to all who tried to help find Ric. SAR teams are made of incredible people who give and give of themselves for people they don't know. They deserve special thanks as do the Forest Service staff who supported the DeVan family throughout this effort.

It's also apparent that there is a critical void. It starts where the Sheriff bows his neck when friends and family members of the missing person ask technical questions regarding search activities. For instance, "are high resolution digital images being taken from the helicopter?" No says the Sheriff -- the people in the helicopter can see a "flower from a mile away." No need for pictures. If the Sheriff would learn about new technology, he'd know he could walk into K-mart in Bishop and buy a 10 megapixel camera for about $200. With that, a card reader, and a computer numerous eyes can view the search area in a very comprehensive and methodical way. There is even software, while expensive, that searches for specific colors – where all the yellow or red in a picture is revealed. The Sheriff could have learned this lesson in 2006 when Renee Fox was lost in Mazourka Canyon. She was found weeks after disappearing, a mile or so up the road from the Sheriff's office. Helicopters searched the area for her also and she wasn’t seen 30 feet from the road. How sad that this simple tool is not used yet. Possibly the DeVan family and friends would have found Ric sooner and avoided days of agony. Perhaps.

Lone Pine has been my second home for more than 45 years. I know the eastern Sierra and Owen's Valley depend on tourism. Most people in the valley are friendly and warm. They are a giving people. However, the Sheriff's office breaks this tradition when they call off an official search, and family and friends continue to request assistance. His office voices annoyance at the phone calls and continued requests for assistance. Yet every other agency in California and Nevada will not assist the family without a call from Sheriff Lutze – it’s protocol. Assistance can be as close as the Sheriff’s phone. Although his office may say otherwise, he makes the decision.

Certainly the effort Sheriff Lutze's team made was painstaking. But there is room in the Eastern Sierra to ask for help from technology. Inyo County doesn't have the technology due to budget constraints (per the Sheriff's office during the Renee Fox search). And Inyo County doesn't have a Sheriff who likes ask for help outside of his comfort zone.

Ric DeVan and Renee Fox, two people from Southern California, not found by all the efforts of people, helicopters, or dogs, but both were visible by air.

I ask that Sheriff Lutze contact me and I will connect him with the people with the technology. They would be happy to show the Sheriff and his staff how to use it.


July 17, 2008




How many people here think that it is just a coincidence~?

Just days later that the memorial was destroyed....

[LetsBeConcerned]

Rene Fox Memorial Near Independence Vandalized - Again
Written by Benett Kessler
Thursday, 11 September 2008

Once more vandalized, the Rene Fox memorial just off Mazourka Canyon Road outside Independence.

Two years ago, 25 year old Rene Fox of Simi Valley died in the desert. Authorities ruled that her death was caused by acute methamphetamine intoxication. Locally, a number of people sympathized with the young woman's plight and created a memorial where her body was found.

Last month, locals found that someone had destroyed the memorial and left a note that a religious site has no business on public land. Wayne Deja of Lone Pine re-assembled the memorial on a smaller scale, but now someone has destroyed it again.

Those interested went back again to put the memorial back together with plastic flowers, figurines and a message of hope.

BLM Director Bill Dunkelberger said that BLM was not connected to the memorial destruction. He said BLM policy doesn't really allow memorials but no one would not go out of their way to dismantle anything.

Dunkelberger also pointed out that the memorial may very likely sit on private or DWP land, not BLM.

Those in support of the memorial say they will quietly maintain it in spite of someone out there who keeps knocking things down.

http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1287/48/






:flamemad: :flamemad: This just makes me flaming mad~!!!!!! :flamemad: :flamemad:

People have been working tirelessly to rebuild~!!! The first time they immediately went up there and started putting the rocks back, bringing new flowers and cards, glass angels, candles etc.. including more solar lights~!!!

They were particularly going out of there way so that the spot would look nice again for all those that would go up and leave Birthday cards and not be so shocked that the memorial had been destroyed.

Now someone has destroyed it again~!!! It was discovered by people up there to leave Birthday mementoes.






:rose: :rose:Renee Michelle Fox :rose: :rose:
September 13, 1980 to Jun24, 2006
You will forever live in our hearts

:rose: :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

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[LetsBeConcerned]

Are they doing something at 320syacmore I hear the boards are down? I haven’t heard anything. I am not having any problems getting in, other than having to use the refresh or back button. But that is normal for any board.


Anyway, I would like to know if Renee and the Ducky gal had anything in common...like things they did and if the famillies had anything in common..Because of both of these gals being gone, It realy makes a person wonder if maybe the they went to the same places with-out knowing or had any interests that where close or alike..Maybe the murderer or suspect hung around in those places?

<Bold is mine>


There is very little that the 2 had in common. They did not know each other; they also lived hundreds of miles apart. But they did disappear in the same county and were single mothers in college.

[nvrockgirl]

First off I want to say that I am new here...I have been lurking for a while and when i saw this case I had to chime in, it hits way too close to home....

NOW I have spent my entire life growing up in Bishop..going to school there...attending church ect..and now although I live an hour away most of my family still lives up there today.... AND
let me say ALL my life i have known that something was never "right" with our picture perfect small town! Nothing could be as great as it seems...and from someone thats lived there 20 years, most of the people that move up there from LA dont know what they are getting themselves into, sure it seems nice and pretty and quaint to raise a family, but in reality the kids get into trouble all the time sometimes worse....and the city refuses to do anything to help anyone....if its not it there agenda or their benifit they simply dont care! Which sucks because the kids that have nothing to do are the ones that cause or grown up to do the crime that is felt in the community! Its sooo backwards!!

Now As far back as i can remember I know that local police were crooked and shady..they would bust kids at school for drugs but then tell them things like "we wont arrest you if you just give us the drugs...
"...I know that this has gone on for a long while because the city & the city police run on an " good ol' boys network", ever one's plams are greased....a good example of this was a few years back a city cop was brought up on like 50 counts of rape (sopposedly he would pull women over and threaten them with tickets or jail if they didnt give in) well his case never really got resolved..he just got some Sh***y :cuss: probation and now he is a youth football coach..i mean come on how sick is this?
And when it comes to the natives and the city well let just say that they have never gotten along...a few years back a cop was "given a talkin' to" after he was caught tasering a indian girl after she refused to be arrested after a family arguement...i think using a taser on a 110lb girl is absolutly absured!!! :cuss: and needless to say the cop killed her...excessive force..but did the city or county fo anything..NOPE:flamemad:

There have been so many incidents that have gone on here I can even begine to name them all, but in reality no one wants to talk about it or have it change...everyone is stuck in the mind set that: "Its always been this way, why rock the boat" :chicken: So know one wants to do anything....I know that by reading these 2 cases the last few days I can personally see how the city and county are working together to keep this mum, and swept under the rug....I think that by labling these two deaths as sucide or self-caused they are taking the prying eyes off their shotty work!!

Hopefully more people will contiune to look and try to dig up informaiton that will eventually revoulationize the county and the city!! I can only hope that in my life time something will be done to change it!!:cuss:

ALSO: I noticed a few posts back that some of you were asking questions about the OV and Bishop...I can answer just about any Q someone might have! Just PM Me!

:patriot:

[LetsBeConcerned]

First off I want to say that I am new here...I have been lurking for a while and when i saw this case I had to chime in, it hits way too close to home....

NOW I have spent my entire life growing up in Bishop..going to school there...attending church ect..and now although I live an hour away most of my family still lives up there today.... AND
let me say ALL my life i have known that something was never "right" with our picture perfect small town! Nothing could be as great as it seems...and from someone thats lived there 20 years, most of the people that move up there from LA dont know what they are getting themselves into, sure it seems nice and pretty and quaint to raise a family, but in reality the kids get into trouble all the time sometimes worse....and the city refuses to do anything to help anyone....if its not it there agenda or their benifit they simply dont care! Which sucks because the kids that have nothing to do are the ones that cause or grown up to do the crime that is felt in the community! Its sooo backwards!!

Now As far back as i can remember I know that local police were crooked and shady..they would bust kids at school for drugs but then tell them things like "we wont arrest you if you just give us the drugs...
"...I know that this has gone on for a long while because the city & the city police run on an " good ol' boys network", ever one's plams are greased....a good example of this was a few years back a city cop was brought up on like 50 counts of rape (sopposedly he would pull women over and threaten them with tickets or jail if they didnt give in) well his case never really got resolved..he just got some Sh***y :cuss: probation and now he is a youth football coach..i mean come on how sick is this?
And when it comes to the natives and the city well let just say that they have never gotten along...a few years back a cop was "given a talkin' to" after he was caught tasering a indian girl after she refused to be arrested after a family arguement...i think using a taser on a 110lb girl is absolutly absured!!! :cuss: and needless to say the cop killed her...excessive force..but did the city or county fo anything..NOPE:flamemad:

There have been so many incidents that have gone on here I can even begine to name them all, but in reality no one wants to talk about it or have it change...everyone is stuck in the mind set that: "Its always been this way, why rock the boat" :chicken: So know one wants to do anything....I know that by reading these 2 cases the last few days I can personally see how the city and county are working together to keep this mum, and swept under the rug....I think that by labling these two deaths as sucide or self-caused they are taking the prying eyes off their shotty work!!

Hopefully more people will contiune to look and try to dig up informaiton that will eventually revoulationize the county and the city!! I can only hope that in my life time something will be done to change it!!:cuss:

ALSO: I noticed a few posts back that some of you were asking questions about the OV and Bishop...I can answer just about any Q someone might have! Just PM Me!





NvRockGirl

You definitely Rock~!!! And welcome to this board~!! We are in need of more people familiar with the area.

Is “OV” Short for Owens Valley~?:shrug:

The Story about the Sheriff is truly bizarre~!!! :eek:What… he didn’t know the law~? He didn’t know he was supposed to be registered as a Sex Offender~? Nobody seemed to know that he shouldn’t be on school grounds coaching the kids~? It took 4 years as the school coach for this Wonderful Small Town to figure all this out~?

In this small town… They didn’t know the local sheriff was convicted of sex crimes in their county and under their jurisdiction~? And the school never ran a Background Check~?

Small towns know everything about the people that live there~!!! Yet the Authorities praise themselves for the arrest and just some of the locals are defending the coach since his crimes weren’t against children~!!!

TRULY BIZARRE ~!!!




Erick Birmingham Arrested in Bishop
Written by Benett Kessler
Thursday, 28 August 2008
Bishop Police arrested former Inyo Sheriff's Deputy Erick Birmingham this week at Home St. School. Almost 5 years ago, Birmingham had faced a dozen charges ranging from sexual battery to false imprisonment and indecent exposure. Officers confirmed that they arrested Birmingham this week under a penal code section that says "Any person who is required to register as a sex offender pursuant to Section 290, who comes into any school building or upon any school ground without lawful business thereon and written permission from the chief administrative official of that school, is guilty of a misdemeanor." Officers allege that Birmingham was coaching youth football at Home St. School without written permission from school administration. They also allege that he violated his probation from the earlier case. Five years ago, Birmingham lost his job with the Sheriff's Department and spent several months in Mono County jail.


You can read the discussion with the locals in the link below…http://www.ksrw.sierrawave.net/site/content/view/1232/48/

:seeya::seeya::seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to the board, nvrockgirl! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Welcome to the board, nvrockgirl! :seeya:

Oh yeah nvrockgirl we already know a lot more just from your posts. thank you

[LetsBeConcerned]

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[FDInLaw]

Thank you for sharing the pic!

Rest in Peace, Renee! :rose:


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/commentcherry/cherrytap/celebrations_and_holidays/merry_christmas/images/mc15.gif

[LetsBeConcerned]

I wanted to let everyone know about this documentary about Charles Manson's hideout in Inyo County and the search for more victims. The same County that Renee disappeared in.

It shows a lot about the forensics.

It is quite perplexing that the Sheriff would put so much limits on the search. They had reason to believe that bodies were buried 8 feet deep.... Sheriff Lutz stopped the search when they reached 3 & half feet. Why stop~?

There were still indications of decomposition with electronic machines.

Yet Lutz wants to conclude that there are no bodies out there.

It airs again on Sunday, Dec.21. on "Investigation Discovery" channel.

***********
http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=141.15375.125306.0.0
Manson's Missing Victims

Once a remote "home" to Charles Manson and his Family, stories have long circulated that several disenchanted young people who spent time at the Barker Ranch in the late 1960's attempted to leave, but "disappeared" without a trace.

***********

For all Manson Victims :rose:

And for Debra Tate for not giving up~!!! :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Thank you for sharing the pic!

Rest in Peace, Renee! :rose:


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/commentcherry/cherrytap/celebrations_and_holidays/merry_christmas/images/mc15.gif



Your So Welcome~!!!

I've got more with Snow~!!!

:seeya::seeya::seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Isn't this the Coolest~? It even snows in the Desert~!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/reneememsnow.jpg

[cabojenn]

I think it is too! The memorial looks lovely in the snow.

[FDInLaw]

Isn't this the Coolest~? It even snows in the Desert~!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/reneememsnow.jpgBeautiful! :rose: Rest in Peace Renee! :rose:

[SaraSidle]

I was looking at a old paper..Leader Telegram.....dated October 12, 2008 City/Region division and found an article about a grave in Barron County Wisconsin....On the grave is a star..which looks just like the star that was found on Renee's Memorial..it is not a police badge though....
This one is a symbol......"Grand Army of the Republic symbol" it's on a Civil War Veteran's grave. He was with the "3RD Wis Cav"

Now didn't they find empty or loaded unshot bullets on Renee's memorial?
Maybe this star is a "Symbol" for someone who is with the military .The base not to far from where she was killed.Maybe the guy is a M.P.?


I have been looking for this type of star everywhere and could not locate one..Found one sort of like it but it did not have the round edging found on the star ends..This one how-ever does....So what I am saying was that star made to look like a police badge but is actually fake? But also stands for a military symbol of such?:shrug:

http://cemeteries.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/grand-army-of-the-republic/

Here is a good picture of the star, read what it say's it's interesting.
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/civil-war-.-grand-army-of-the-republic-.-starrin-0-s-331fmzeimi

Beautiful pictures everyone!!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

bump

[LetsBeConcerned]

Here is an article that you might find interesting… Manzanar was is the area that the authorities told Equusearch & family to look for Renee instead of Mazourka Canyon where Renee was last seen (and then found)…


Take a road trip to Manzanar area

MARCH 3, 2009

Wandering through the restored auditorium - now used as an interpretive center - at the Manzanar War Relocation Center, I came to realize how little thought most of us give to a news event that does not directly affect us.

We have all heard of the Japanese interment camps that were initiated during WWII.

However, unless a person is of Japanese descent with stories passed down from grandparents, he or she likely has little knowledge of the effects of the camps.

A trip to Manzanar National Historic Site will give visitors a sobering, enlightening view of the complexities of the world.

Located seven miles from Historic Lone Pine California along Highway 395 the lonely site is now operated by the National Park Service.

Although there are plans to restore several buildings and replace the barbwire, the site is still a moving experience.

The interpretive center is full of historic pictures and information of how and why these types of camps were formed and operated. Manzanar is one of 10 such camps located throughout the states.

Replicas of living quarters are displayed, items made by the internees and their stories are presented, a one-way self auto tour shows labeled sites and the cemetery is there, along with the "Soul Consoling Tower."

The monument was constructed in 1943 by Ryozo Kado, an internee. Most of the internees at Manzanar were Buddhist.

Today, people still come by and leave items and money at the monument. Remnants of Japanese gardens and ponds, built by the internees to try and establish some appearance of customary life and beauty, can still be seen and are on the list to be restored.

An annual pilgrimages sponsored by the Manzanar Committee takes place on the last Saturday of April.

Since the 1920s, the area was full of apple and pear farms. The word Manzanar means orchard and was the name of the town.

The nearby town of Lone Pine, Calif., has its own history to share with visitors.

Located at the base of Mt. Whitney, the views from the town are what encouraged companies of the 1920s to film movies there, and movie stars, sets and equipment have been rolling in and out of town since. More than 400 movies and 100 TV shows have been filmed in this location.

The Dow Hotel and Dow Villa Motel have played a large part by providing lodging for the film crews. The original hotel had 55 rooms and a great view of Mt. Whitney.

The original hotel is still there and available for rent, however unless you are a true die-hard fan and must sleep in the same room Gene Autry slept in, I recommend staying in the modern Dow Villa Motel.

You can walk across the parking lot to visit the original hotel and view the movie memorabilia.

The Chamber of Commerce office also has a "Star Room" and the film museum offers visitors a taste of the past. The Lone Pine Film Festival is celebrated each year in October.

Numerous self guided tours are available for visitors, such as Roy Rogers Flats and the Lone Ranger Canyon where hundreds of movies were filmed. Others include Whitney Portals with its panoramic views and old cemeteries tour.


http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009903030327

:seeya:

[Ron]

Quote:
Originally Posted by crimehunter :beer: :

----> '' You are right, you can't keep your hands that way,because they fall down.
I meant the person or people,
who she was last with may have been some
what culty because of crossing her arms.
Thought!
(I wonder if they where fixed to stay that way..which means the person who did it,
had to use something to keep her arms from falling down..
Maybe they used some of her clothing as rope and that is why they where missing,
but that also means after she died they had to come back later to take the knotted
rope off her/hands arms..
Clothing probably would not make a bruising or cause skin indentation like rope would.
This also makes me feel she was brought back to that spot and her body was altered before left there!)

(Sounds like someone who does that type of thing or profession would know that type of trick.)

This was then intentionally done as a message.Your reasoning makes complete sense and I hope this case is not closed .
Please know all of us here are hoping that they find the person or people who did this to her....
I also say it was not a suicide,< ----'' It was set up! '' < ----:beer:
-------------------------


crimehunter , '' Very interesting ''.

[Ron]

---> '' Clothing probably would not make a bruising or cause skin indentation like rope would.
This also makes me feel she was brought back to that spot and her body was altered before left there!) '' < ---

============ Hi crimehunter :seeya: .

Your words above might also suggest that your 'earlier theory' that ,
''someone watched her for two weeks and followed her'' ,
won't work because a 'stalker' would have had 'tape' with him/her ,,,yes ?

[Ron]

Late in the afternoon, one of the search dogs alerted on the entrance to a horizontal mine.

Fox’s shoe prints could be seen entering the mine.

Indian Wells Mine Rescue out of Kern County was requested.

The horizontal mine was searched along with a near-by vertical mine. Fox was not located in either mine.

No other evidence was located to indicate where Fox had gone.

[Ron]

No one to answer questions , so l will try one more ...

crimehunter's extensive research reminded me of the 'below' , and the ''star'' on the postcard .
Did anyone say anything about the ''star connecion'' ?




---> '' Renee Fox's Identifying Characteristics: Double pierced ears, pierced tongue, tattoo of a large colored "star" on the back of neck.'' <---

[Ron]

hi ron :beer:.

I found a common denominator in Renee's ,,, .

.. ''VANISHED'' ..

1] VANISHED = Water bottles from ''four wheelers'' ,
2] VANISHED = ''Four-wheelers'' ,
3] VANISHED = Renee's plans to keep her son ,
4] VANISHED = Reason Renee was seen laying 'supine' ''pre- death'' ,
5] VANISHED = Reason Renee was seen laying supine ''post-death'' ,
5] VANISHED = Water bottles given from ''supine pre-death'' Witness ,
6] VANISHED = Custody battle for child ,
7] VANISHED = The person who gave drugs found in Renee ,
8] VANISHED = Reason Renee was crying soon before death ,
9] VANISHED = Reason Renee stopped crying very soon before death ,
10]VANISHED= Reason no one kept the money ,
11]VANISHED= Why Dog's lost Renee's scent ,
12]VANISHED= Why money was dropped just prior to it being found ,
13]VANISHED= How Renee got to sleep with ''upper'' drugs in her,
14]VANISHED= What Renee did all night ,
15]VANISHED=
,,,, and more .

==============

As l teach my puppy :seeya:to track missing chidren it reminded me of Renee . Renee's stuff that was found could
be pointing or in a pattern or sequence leadng to her , or something .
In teachng my puppy l place his treat down in a line one by one about ten feet apart . He follows each treat to the next ,
eating them along the way to the end ,,which in this case is his ''teddybear'' . But that reminded me of how Renee's
things were placed .

[Ron]

.




''Now...Talking about the letter sent to Renee...
It had a star on it...It was on a police suite in the card!
Sent with intent as to make fun of the fact no-one will ever
figure this case out''

===

Hi crimehunter and the rest :seeya: .

What do you mean by ''letter'' ,, and what is
police ''suite'' :seeya:
and what is
''in the card'':seeya:
mean ?

[LetsBeConcerned]

:shrug: Isn't the Orange County Coroner on trial for something right now? I believe he just temporarily stepped down from his position didn't he, Until court precedings are over. Is that where Renee's autopsy was done?:confused:

You are probably thinking about Sheriff/Coroner Michael S Carona who was indicted on corruption charges and kickbacks along with his wife and mistress (an attorney no less). I'm not sure how he gets the designation Sheriif and Coroner, I'm sure he oversees both capacities, although his underlings do the actual coroner work.

Here is an update on Michael Carona, He was in charge of both the Sheriff’s & Coroner’s Office in Orange County. Inyo County has a contract with Orange County to do all the Autopsies for Inyo County.


Renee & Shaleen’s autopsies were both done in Orange County under Carona’s reign….


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/carona-probation-office-2344778-recommendation-federal
Monday, March 23, 2009
Report says Carona should serve 6.5 years in prison
Confidential recommendation by federal probation office is made public in government filing.
By RACHANEE SRISAVASDI
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

Former Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona should be sentenced to 78 months in prison for his witness tampering conviction, according to the federal probation office.
The recommendation to U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Guilford – who presided over Carona's recent public corruption trial – was made public in a posttrial motion filed today by the prosecutors. The probation office issued the recommendation Friday, according to a footnote in the motion.
The recommendation itself is contained in the agency's presentencing report. The report is a confidential record of the court, according to Michelle Carey, deputy chief with the federal probation office.
Carona won election to become sheriff in 1998. He was still in office in the fall of 2007, when he was indicted on charges that he defrauded the public by accepting more than $400,000 in cash, illegal campaign contributions and gifts from people who sought favors. Carona stepped down in January 2008, insisting on his innocence.
Then in January, in one of the highest profile public corruption trials ever in Orange County, Carona was found guilty of illegally trying to persuade former Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl to lie to a grand jury. Carona was acquitted of five other counts, including conspiracy.
After the verdict, Carona called the verdict "an absolute miracle,'' and said he felt "beyond vindicated" by the jury's decision.
Carona's lawyer, Brian Sun, declined to comment on the probation office's recommendation, citing the report's confidentiality. He has asked Guilford to set aside Carona's conviction, and if that fails, plans to ask that Carona be sentenced to probation only.
Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said federal judges usually highly regard the probation office's recommendation.
"They put a lot of value on probation's recommendation. It's not automatic, but it carries some weight,'' said the former federal prosecutor.
Besides the probation office's recommendation, a federal judge also considers U.S. Federal Sentencing Guidelines in determining a defendant's sentence.
Levenson estimated that Carona faces at least 57 to 71 months in prison based on these guidelines.
She said probation officers may have gone higher than these guidelines based on "aggravating factors,'' such as Carona's position as an elected official at the time of the crime.
"He's the sheriff. He's not just an average citizen,'' she said. "He betrayed the public trust."
Carona will be sentenced April 27. A hearing is scheduled for Monday in the case.

[LetsBeConcerned]

Say..who took the picture of the memorial, because it is sort of like the strange card that was sent in ...you know how the mountains and stuff was aranged in the back ground. I am thinking maybe the person who killed her help set up the memorial? You know it is not often, but once and a while you hear where a person who is close actually ends up being the murder-er.


Just a thought though..



Mountains surround the area~!!! In fact the tallest, in the lower 48, is Mt. Whitney. I think that you might be able to see it from the memorial. The postcard was of the Alabama Hills, I am not so sure those mountains can be seen from the memorial~? :shrug: You would have to look in 2 different directions.

If so, I could make a request of more pictures….. or I think that I just might have just done that~!! :biggrin:

So many people interested in the case live very far away. So we have made a request of ANYONE who may be traveling to the area to take pictures and keep us updated~!!

Just because MANY different people have shown their kindness by obliging the requests for pictures, shouldn’t mean that they are guilty of any wrongdoing. The same goes for all those who have left a card, prayer, flowers etc…

I want to take the time to THANK EVERYONE that has sent me maps, pictures, etc…



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[Lodi]

What I have to say can't help Renee but it could help someone in the future.
It appears that the Rangers/police/sheriff's depts didn't do their job when first notified but I believe other people share some blame.

The people that saw and talked to her on the road failed her. If they didn't suspect that she needed help, they should have.

She was not dressed appropriately for the conditions and she wasn't carrying food or water. If she had been a rational hiker, she would chatted with those that stopped and given them some explanation just as a courtesy.

She said she was ok but she was obviously out of her element. These spectators should have formed a plan and carried it out. One of them should have got out the car about 100 yards away and watched her while the others drove to the nearest law enforcement and insisted they come with them and check her out.

[spudrod]

Vandalism? Here's someone who could fit the bill in the Memorial destruction. Since he's been arrested since September 08, seems that all the destruction has ended since that time period.


charges filed against Christiana http://www.inyoregister.com/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://www.inyoregister.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=120815&itemid=1) Thursday, 16 April 2009
http://www.inyoregister.com/images/stories/4-14%20visitor%20center%20gone.jpg John Thomas Christiana, has recently been charged with felony arson of a building or structure on forest land by Inyo County prosecutors, possibly related to the fire that destroyed the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest Schulman Grove Visitor’s Center on Sept. 4, 2008.


By Mike Bodine
Register Staff
4-14-2009
Additional charges have been filed by both Inyo and Mono counties against the suspect associated with a rash of vandalism, including broken vehicle windows at area trailheads, in the late summer of 2008.
John Thomas Christiana was initially arrested in September 2008 on several felony charges allegedly tied to vehicle vandalism and burglary and is in Inyo County Jail awaiting a competency hearing related to those charges on April 16.
On Monday, Inyo County Superior Court confirmed that on April 10, Christiana was additionally charged with Penal Code infraction 451(c), felony arson of a structure or property on Forest Service land.
This will be added to the list of felonies already charged against him; they include auto theft, grand theft, two counts of receiving stolen property, vandalism, possession of a firearm and a lone misdemeanor charge of carrying a loaded firearm.

http://www.inyoregister.com/images/stories/4-14%20christiana.jpg John Thomas Christiana


Numerous phone calls on Friday and Monday to the Inyo County District Attorney’s offices in Bishop and Independence, as well as the county’s courts, were not returned to confirm reports that the arson charges are directly related to the Schulman Grove Visitor’s Center fire, or to provide any other details concerning the charges.
The Inyo National Forest is reporting that the investigation into the visitor center fire is still ongoing.
Mono County District Attorney George Booth said that his office charged Christiana with three felonies on March 27. The charges include two counts of first degree burglary, and one count of first degree vandalism, all associated with the White Mountain Research Station Summit Laboratory.
The laboratory was broken into sometime between Aug. 3 and Aug. 7, 2008. According to research station employees, the small lab had all of its windows busted out, light bulbs broken and cabinet doors ripped off hinges.
http://www.inyoregister.com/images/stories/4-14%20front%20of%20summit%20hut%208-16-06%20med.jpg Mono County charged Christiana on March 27, 2009, with felony vandalism and two counts of felony burglary directly related to the malicious damage to the White Mountain Research Station Summit Laboratory (below) perpetrated in August 2008. File photos


The laboratory sits atop 14,250-foot White Mountain peak, the fourth highest altitude research facility on the planet.
Christiana was arrested in Lone Pine on Sept. 7, after sheriff’s deputies detected the distinct odor of gasoline near the Lone Pine High School with him discovered nearby.
His vehicle was found to be reported stolen and full of gasoline containers. The gas containers are what apparently led to speculation that Christiana may be linked to the visitor center fire, which broke out under suspicious circumstances on Sept. 4 and was completely destroyed.
Christiana has not yet been arraigned on the new arson charges, but is scheduled to appear in court for a competency hearing on Thursday in Independence.
The hearing is being held to determine whether Christiana is mentally competent to stand trial for the felony charges filed against him after his Sept. 7 arrest.
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[spudrod]

Scary to think that this is the type of person that wanders around the desert and surrounding moutains just looking for trouble. Loaded weapons, stolen vehicle, and multiple gas cans? What happened to the obligitory 12 pack?

[spudrod]

Here is an article that you might find interesting… Manzanar was is the area that the authorities told Equusearch & family to look for Renee instead of Mazourka Canyon where Renee was last seen (and then found)…



Quote:
Take a road trip to Manzanar area


In regards to Manzanar, I found it in a movie I bought not knowing anything about what Manzanar was all about............pretty good movie with a few scenes actually filmed at the site that this article mentions....................the link below

http://www.snowfallingoncedars.com

I would reccomend it as a movie worth the trouble to find.

[LetsBeConcerned]

What I have to say can't help Renee but it could help someone in the future.
It appears that the Rangers/police/sheriff's depts didn't do their job when first notified but I believe other people share some blame.

The people that saw and talked to her on the road failed her. If they didn't suspect that she needed help, they should have.

She was not dressed appropriately for the conditions and she wasn't carrying food or water. If she had been a rational hiker, she would chatted with those that stopped and given them some explanation just as a courtesy.

She said she was ok but she was obviously out of her element. These spectators should have formed a plan and carried it out. One of them should have got out the car about 100 yards away and watched her while the others drove to the nearest law enforcement and insisted they come with them and check her out.




Hello There~!!

I respect your opinion but also must clarify a few things… there were more than 4 groups that saw Renee that day… I think the times are …10am… noon… 3pm… 6pm…

There would have to be more that saw her, but didn’t take notice or have not come forward.

These 4 groups had never met each other but each independently had formed a plan to give this lady water and then go to town for help. This story / plan would repeat itself…

So much so… that most people reading what happened, think that ONLY ONE group saw Renee that day~!!!!!!

That is NOT TRUE~!!!!

The thing that they did have in common is that they did give Renee water and showed their concern~!!!

I am sure that if Renee had been a small child they would have had someone watch her until help arrived.

The fact is that Renee was a grown woman and they thought the water would sustain her until help arrived, which those 8 bottles should have held her though the night even. After all, it starts to cool off then.

What happened to Renee & those water bottles that should have led someone to her (like a trail of bread crumbs) will always be up for debate…

Those that did give Renee the water and would later come forward after seeing her on the news, should not be blamed for being a witness to all that transpired and that they did seek help. They have gone out of their way time and again to try to help in any way they could….

It should not be their fault that the authorities that they contacted did not take the reports seriously~!!

Those that gave her water did care~!!! And it will always weigh very heavy on their hearts that she is no longer here.

How could they have known that the authorities would not respond~?

Those that had given her water have also never denied the family request for a conversation with the immediate family...

YET….The Authorities HAVE REFUSED TO TALK TO RENEE’S MOM~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LetsBeConcerned]

Take a road trip to Manzanar area


In regards to Manzanar, I found it in a movie I bought not knowing anything about what Manzanar was all about............pretty good movie with a few scenes actually filmed at the site that this article mentions....................the link below

http://www.snowfallingoncedars.com

I would reccomend it as a movie worth the trouble to find.


Welcome Back~!!! :seeya:

I will look for the movie, do you think it is on cable~?


:read:

[spudrod]

Not to sure about cable, I dont't spend a lot of time watching television. I just happened to look over the description and it seemed interesting. Those unkown and unheard of, IMO, are usually the better movies to find.

[Lodi]

Hello There~!!

I respect your opinion but also must clarify a few things… there were more than 4 groups that saw Renee that day… I think the times are …10am… noon… 3pm… 6pm…

There would have to be more that saw her, but didn’t take notice or have not come forward.

These 4 groups had never met each other but each independently had formed a plan to give this lady water and then go to town for help. This story / plan would repeat itself…

So much so… that most people reading what happened, think that ONLY ONE group saw Renee that day~!!!!!!

That is NOT TRUE~!!!!

The thing that they did have in common is that they did give Renee water and showed their concern~!!!

I am sure that if Renee had been a small child they would have had someone watch her until help arrived.

The fact is that Renee was a grown woman and they thought the water would sustain her until help arrived, which those 8 bottles should have held her though the night even. After all, it starts to cool off then.

What happened to Renee & those water bottles that should have led someone to her (like a trail of bread crumbs) will always be up for debate…

Those that did give Renee the water and would later come forward after seeing her on the news, should not be blamed for being a witness to all that transpired and that they did seek help. They have gone out of their way time and again to try to help in any way they could….

It should not be their fault that the authorities that they contacted did not take the reports seriously~!!

Those that gave her water did care~!!! And it will always weigh very heavy on their hearts that she is no longer here.

How could they have known that the authorities would not respond~?

Those that had given her water have also never denied the family request for a conversation with the immediate family...

YET….The Authorities HAVE REFUSED TO TALK TO RENEE’S MOM~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hello,
I agree that the four groups must have wanted to help Renee. Some have said that she didn't seem prepared for her environment. They cared enough to give her water and ask if she was ok. They cared enough to inform LE about her. That says they were concerned that she was potentially in some form of danger. Everyone assumed that LE would immediately go find her and she would be ok. Everyone assumed she would be found walking that road carrying her purse and blanket. Everyone assumed she wouldn't leave the road and go check out the old mine. Everyone assumed a confused grown young woman could be safely left unattended until help came.

Unfortunately LE didn't go find her as was assumed. We don't know how she died. Heatstroke, starvation, snakebite, drugs, rabid coyote? Little chance that we will ever know.

[LetsBeConcerned]

I also wanted to add that the 4 groups that I mentioned above, does not include the people in the brown van or the people that found the purse nor the people that turned the purse in.

I don’t think the police ever found those people.

[LetsBeConcerned]

When crimehunter:seeya: said ,

EDITED ... '' Chips have salt on them and salt burns causing ''Ouch'',,

therefore he/she put the picture of the Chips on the postcard to send a ''Ouch'' :no: .

,,,,------> crimehunter's words above show how he cares and he spends much of his quality time to research
and
think and Post here for people who care and don't care .
However , crimehuter got me thinking again and so l punched in
''David Waldvogel'', Renee's brother who just recently passed away
unexpectedly of heart faiure , and when l punched it in ,
a photo of a naked female store manequin popped up on the Screen and l thought,
''how strange that manequin looks like Renee '' .

I then thouht of crimehunter and some of his theories , and as l looked closer to the Screen ,,,POOF l saw it ,,
the name of the photographer is the same name as Renee's brother , Davd Waldvogel .
Also crimehunnter said the culpret may be a photographer.

Of course the photographer in this has the same name as David and is innocent of course.

....WARNING....GRAPHIC....GRAPHIC....WARNING...GRA PHIC....WARNING---





Ron…

Where is your conscience~?

Last summer you tried to re-post child porn which is illegal in the United States to even have it on your computer, cell phone, etc…~!!!!

You have further offended people by quoting other people & websites WITHOUT including any links~!!!

YOU then send me a Private Message (September 3, 2008) asking me if that link will Offend anyone~?

I, in the MOST kindest and polite way, explained that Renee’s brother & the photographer are 2 DIFFERENT people~!!!!!! I also told you that you would offend more people than would ever know…

Ron, you KNEW (back then) that the link contains bondage and nudity…. You KNEW how so many others & I would be offended by posting that link…. YOU KNEW that it would especially offend Renee’s Mom as she gave birth to them….

YOU PRETEND to care about the victims and their families… Yet, you go out of your way to offend them…. Do Not lie to people and Pretend that you did not know that YOU ARE OFFENDING THE VICTIMS FAMILIES...

Ron you have NO Conscience OR Compassion and you are in serious need of a brain transplant~!!!

Don’t you know how rude it is to speak ill of the dead~?

Yet you DO~!!! You know that Renee’s brother is DEAD and the photographer is ALIVE~!!!

Ron you have made it clear, to everyone, that the only reason that you are here is to post smut~!!!!

You have been previously informed that children read these boards and you still do it anyway~!!!!


You knew that David died 7-16-08… as to these posts on calling all profilers…
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=288181&page=6

Posted 7-21-08



Hi cabojenn.
This is such sad and hurting news .
I send my sincere Blessings to Renee's mom and family .
Ouch .
Life can sure be tough and Renee's mom has been through enough hurt for a lifetime .
Thank you for your post .


then you posted this on 8-16-08

I do suggest that you PLEASE~!!!!!! “Follow through” and “STOP Posting here at this (fine) site.”

.
It is not disrespect but l certainly am getting disrespect from many at this fine Site so l will follow through on your requests and stop Posting here at this Site ."LOL" is on to some serious stuff here but there is just too much lies etc thrown at me here that l feel that no one cares if l continue to help in this or not .
I do not deserve the lies said of me . I put my quality time for Renee and her family to solve this for them and Justice itself but being attacked so much as l am here is not right and makes it all that more difficult for me especially when l am using a new 'concept in application' while doing this .
[I]
Susie said it best…..(back in August, 16, 2008)



Ron I agree with Sara. Those posts WERE disrespectful and had absolutely NOTHING to do with Renee's case. I also agree if that is going to be the nature of your posts perhaps you should forego the posting here on "this fine site". You know as well as we do the porn that has been posted and you also know that there is a chance younger persons could be reading here as victims families. I believe we should be responsible in our posting so that no one should be afraid to read here on "this fine site". JMO
Also as for anyone "attacking" you it is only when you continue to try and post such trash as you have in the last couple of weeks.



Ron, if you had no respect for the victims families opinion, why did you bother to ask~?

I will contact the moderator and ask that the link be removed…. I will also ask that you should be banned from posting here anymore… I will also ask that your posts not be deleted simply because I used to work at a Library where I spent a lot of time reinforcing the binding of old books… and I feel that the deletion of posts are just like ripping pages out of a book~!!!! It also confuses all the new posters trying to catch up….But will certainly ask that the link be edited out.

Ron… you have put me in a funky and difficult position of calling another man’s artwork “smut”… In any other place it would be considered art, and I do apologize to the photographer…. But I am VERY ANGRY with Ron for associating the 2 together~!!!

As I am sure the photographer would be too~!!!

I’M JUST FLAMING MAD~!!!!!!!!! I have tried to cool off for a week now and I am still furious~!!!!!



:flamemad: :no: :cuss: :flamemad: :no: :cuss: :flamemad: :no:

[LetsBeConcerned]

I first want to thank the moderator for taking care of that situation in such a timely manner ~!!!

For anyone that has any questions of where Renee’s brother David was, the answer is VERY simple… He was at his mother’s house…. Now granted he did leave for a short time to go to a fast food restaurant….I am not sure exactly if it was minutes to an hour…

As for me, if anyone wants to know, where I was, on June 24, 2006,… I was at home… talking on the phone with Renee’s mom…. That is how I know so much that transpired that night…

We were on “Land Lines”… Phone records will prove this~!!!!

David, (or anyone else)…. would have had to drive for 3 hours just to get near where Renee was at the time… which will quickly turn to 6 HOURS, round trip… just to get back & create an alibi…David was NOT gone that long~!!!! So Renee’s mom & brother were at home as well as a few other people….

There is NO ONE (that Renee knew) that cannot explain where they where for such a LONG time period…. We have asked everyone…Many, People, could provide receipts... Paper work...etc… That is were the detectives didn’t bother asking, as all these people lived just Too-Too-Too far away~!!!

I want to further add, that Renee’s brother did not own a computer and could NOT have posted those pictures on that link. David would be rolling over in his grave just thinking that someone did~!!!

Ron KNEW the links that he had planned on posting, contained nudity, and had several months to CONTEMPLATE…. And thought that if he waits and not so much nudity shows on the front page… It would be okay…. Wrong~!!!!

It was the TWISTED way that Ron tried to post (the link) and LEGITIMIZE it by posting “GRAPHIC… GRAPHIC… WARNING” is nothing SHORT of a whole lot of B***.S***.

Ron does PRETEND that he cares about the victim’s families…and says that he has an organization for missing children… “Little Ones Lost”… and will give you a hotmail account… for those that don’t know… hotmail is FREE~!!!!

For Ron, “LOL” stands for “Little Ones Lost”… for the rest of us, it stands for “Laugh Out Loud ”

Ron is making fun of the victim’s families…


:flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad:

[Lodi]

I also wanted to add that the 4 groups that I mentioned above, does not include the people in the brown van or the people that found the purse nor the people that turned the purse in.

I don’t think the police ever found those people.




What was going on in Renee's everyday life during the week previous to her trip that took her through Independence? Who did she live with? Was she employed? Had she mentioned plans to make a trip? Was her route taking her in the direction where friends lived? I've read that she wasn't a hiker or camper. Was she known to explore back roads in her car? Was she known to be uncommunicative so that it would be normal for her not to mention that her car was stuck and she was lost? Had she been doing unusual things recently? Since she had a history of drug use and drugs were found in her body, doesn't it seem likely that drugs caused her strange actions and her death?

[LetsBeConcerned]

What was going on in Renee's everyday life during the week previous to her trip that took her through Independence? Who did she live with? Was she employed? Had she mentioned plans to make a trip? Was her route taking her in the direction where friends lived? I've read that she wasn't a hiker or camper. Was she known to explore back roads in her car? Was she known to be uncommunicative so that it would be normal for her not to mention that her car was stuck and she was lost? Had she been doing unusual things recently? Since she had a history of drug use and drugs were found in her body, doesn't it seem likely that drugs caused her strange actions and her death?


Renee had owned her own home in Simi Valley. She recently sold it and moved in with her mother. She was working and going to college. Renee had graduated from Pierce College less than 2 weeks before and was planning continue her education at CSUN.

Most of your questions are addressed here at this link…

http://sundial.csun.edu/2.4503/missing-mother-planned-to-study-education-at-csun-1.410614

Renee had only done the drugs for a short time in 2005 … Renee had tested clean a week before she disappeared in 2006.

It is many that think that the drugs that were found in her system were from the year before…. As her body was mummified and only weighed 30 pounds. Basically concentrating in the fat cells…

Here is another link… Both were written by the University that Renee was planning on attending… That VERY Summer…

http://sundial.csun.edu/2.4503/potential-csun-student-found-dead-1.410593

[LetsBeConcerned]

Mother’s Day, May 10, 2009
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/Reneemother2009.jpg

I want to thank ALL the people that have worked tirelessly to rebuild the memorial. Everyone from the grandma’s to their grandchildren who have hand made some of the cards out there. To the person that takes these cards to town to have them laminated so they will last in the desert heat… To the men that helped carry that large potted rosebush out there… To the people that leave water out there for the next passers by …. And lets not forget “Mr. Snowman” who stands guard over the property~!

It is nothing short of EXTREAMLY AWSOME~!!!!!!
FOR ALL YOU OUT THERE

:seeya::rose: :rose::rose::rose: :rose: :rose: :rose::seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Here is another update that I got in an e-mail... I have edited out a few personal details and did get permission from the person who wrote it, to post it....

P.S.... None of these people ever knew Renee....


Hi..Hope all is going well. Got back .......,its getting hot here, almost 100 degrees today. I noticed you put a picture of the memorial site on Mothers Day on the website. I was hoping you would, that is my favorite picture ever taken there.

Just to let you know how people still feel about what happened up there almost 3 years ago now, a guy named **** is who helped me move the big, heavy rose plant. A girl named***** left the Mothers Day button..... The local computer expert, guy named **** put the card in the plastic, so it survives the hot weather up there. A girl named ****** left the stuffed teddy bear, and the local drug store printed all the photos and enlargements for free....

The next thing to do is put a new photo in the plaque, early next week. It looks really nice up there.....

I hope you had a good Mothers Day, and hope you see how many people up here care about Renee on Mothers Day too!!!!
I also want to mention ... for all those concerned about the condition of plaque... the "black ink spots" are NOT on the plaque... its on the photograph, ... I may have done that by accident when handling the photo.

To All You People... YOU are the BEST~!!!!


:seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Here is another update that I got .....



********....Good Morning....Wanted to let you know I went up to the memorial site early this morning, replaced the photo in the plaque, and watered the rose...its in full bloom,over 60 flowers....and people are watering it.
Looks really nice....Was up there at 5:30am before it got hot...it is so quiet up there so early in the morning...really nice...Well, got to go to work...have a good day...Oh, and I did say hi to Mr. Snowman!!!! *****

May 24, 2009
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/mem2009.jpg



:seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Frosty A. Snowman...

Has been diligently watching guard... standing there day and night... He is there to greet everyone that stops by... occasionally patrolling the area... Especially when it gets really windy~!!... even at times he has been caught napping.... I think that the weather may have gotten to him... which is completely understandable~!!!

Now someone has even went out and got him some cement shoes~!!!!!

He is so dignified with his top hat & an ANGEL on his arm~!!! Standing next to the tree for some shade.

Thank You, Frosty, for all the LAUGHS~!!!! That you bring,... Standing out there in the middle of the desert....YOU ARE THE COOLEST~!!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/snowman_edited-1.jpg



:seeya: :biggrin: :seeya: :biggrin: :seeya: :biggrin::seeya:

[LetsBeConcerned]

Carona gets 66 months in prison, $125,000 fine

Monday, April 27, 2009

By RACHANEE SRISAVASDI, LARRY WELBORN, JON CASSIDY and DOUG IRVING
The Orange County Register

SANTA ANA – Former Sheriff Mike Carona was sentenced Monday to 5½ years in federal prison by a judge who said Carona brought shame to Orange County and victimized the people he was sworn to serve.

Carona, the highest ranking law-enforcement official ever prosecuted in Orange County, displayed no emotion. He sat with his head up and hands clasped on his knees as U.S. District Judge Andrew Guilford rejected his plea of probation.

He was allowed to remain free until July 24.

“Trust has been harmed here,” Guilford told Carona moments before reading his sentence. “Especially by this county’s leading law-enforcement officer.”

Guilford also ordered Carona to pay a $125,000 fine within one year.

The judge said he gave the sentence to promote respect for the law, to be deterrence to others and to establish a just punishment.

He rejected written arguments from Assistant U.S. Attorneys Brett Sagel and Ken Julian to sentence Carona to a nine-year sentence.

“It was the sitting sheriff of Orange County asking a crime partner to withhold information from a grand jury,’’ Sagel said. “We must be able to trust the honesty of our law-enforcement officials.”

Carona declined to comment after the sentencing, as he walked out of the Ronald Reagan Federal Courthouse with his wife.

Deborah Carona, who was initially charged, said she was “totally disappointed and devastated by the sentence. I cannot understand how this could have happened. … This entire process has been devastating since day one.”

Brian Sun, one of several lawyers from the Jones Day Law Firm who represented Carona for free, said the defense team was “obviously very disappointed” with the judge's decision.

“We will vigorously pursue his appellate rights, where we hope our positions will be recognized,” Sun said.

Sun said a key appellate issue will be the decision by federal prosecutors to covertly wire cooperating witness and co-conspirator Don Haidl and send him to a restaurant to entice Carona into making incriminating statements while knowing that Carona had a lawyer at the time.

Sun said they will also contend on appeal that prosecutors committed misconduct by creating a phony grand jury document for Haidl to show Carona as a talking point.

The sentencing comes more than three months after a jury convicted Carona of witness tampering, for trying to persuade one of his former assistants to lie during a criminal probe. The jury acquitted Carona of five other charges that he accepted more than $400,000 in bribes and laundered campaign contributions.

Guilford said that Carona’s victim had been the entire community of Orange County. “This case causes me some shame on behalf of our community,” he said.

Carona will have to serve at least 85 percent of his final prison sentence. He was ordered to turn himself in on July 24. That will allow him to attend his son’s high school graduation in June.

“I believe the Bureau of Prisons will protect Mr. Carona,” Guilford said during the sentencing hearing, “just as Carona protected inmates under his care.”

Carona spoke only briefly during the three-hour hearing, thanking the judge for the “kindness” and “courtesy” shown to him and his wife. But it was his behavior after his conviction that drew the judge’s ire.

He told reporters in January said he felt “beyond vindicated” when the jury found him not guilty of the five charges – but convicted him of witness tampering, a felony. He has always maintained his innocence.

But Guilford said he found it troubling that Carona seemed to be celebrating a victory when he had been convicted of a serious felony.

“Carona,” he told the courtroom shortly before he handed down his sentence, “has given no indication that he wouldn’t ask someone again to lie.”

One of the jurors in the case, Ron Kuykendall, attended the hearing and said the judge’s sentence was “a lot more than I thought it was going to be.”

But he said he agreed with Guilford’s reasoning: “I think he hit the nail on the head. (Carona) is a government official and more is expected of him. All the good things he did, that’s part of the job.”

During the four-hour sentencing hearing, Sun urged Guilford to place his client on probation. “He’s humble, he’s hurt, he’s made mistakes,” Sun said. “But these are not mistakes deserving of a sentence the government is asking of this court.”

Carona arrived at court about an hour before the hearing, holding wife Deborah’s hand as he walked past news photographers. He declined to answer questions, telling reporters only that he was doing “as well as can be expected.”

The story behind Carona’s conviction begins at a Newport Beach restaurant in August 2007. Carona was meeting his former assistant sheriff, Haidl, to talk about an ongoing federal investigation into his administration.

Unbeknownst to Carona, Haidl was working for the government at the time, and wore a secret recording device. Haidl also carried a fake subpoena, and said he had been asked to testify before a grand jury.

The three-hour conversation was recorded on audiotape. In one exchange, Carona speculated that he would be “the first one on the stand.” He later said: “So the bottom line is … first person in there is what you say becomes the truth … it becomes the truth.”

Carona resigned from his post in January 2008 – three months after he was indicted.

Also charged in the case were Deborah Carona and Debra Hoffman, Carona’s former mistress. Charges against the women were later dropped.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/carona-hearing-judge-2377544-convicted-expected

[LetsBeConcerned]

Today marks the Third anniversary of the day that Renee disappeared. Renee is still missed by all that knew her.

We do want to take the time to say THANK YOU, to all those that have and will go up there to the memorial, today, leave a memento, say a prayer and release balloons, etc…

Your compassion and concerned has not gone unnoticed~!!

It does bring comfort knowing that we are not going through this road alone.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneePhotocut300x300.jpg
:rose: :rose: Renee Michelle Fox :rose: :rose:

September 13, 1980 – June 24, 2006

You will not be forgotten
:rose::rose::rose:

[sanderella]

Renee will forever be in our hearts. She and her brothers, Eric and David are our angels. Sending the family love.

Sandy, Terry, Glenn & Holly

:rose:

[cabojenn]

In 7 days, on August 10th, it will be the 3rd anniversary for the day that Renee was found. I miss her every day.:(

[curiousfriend]

She is truely missed and even though we havent commented in quite a while she is still in our thoughts and prayers along with little eric! I just wish the circumstances would have been different and the investigation of her death could have been done properly because eveyone with any brain knows that it was not an accidental death or a suicide! I don't care what anyone says I will always truely believe that she was not alone! She was not that type of person to end herself in that position without force!

[LetsBeConcerned]

Today marks the Third anniversary of the day that Renee disappeared. Renee is still missed by all that knew her.

We do want to take the time to say THANK YOU, to all those that have and will go up there to the memorial, today, leave a memento, say a prayer and release balloons, etc…

Your compassion and concerned has not gone unnoticed~!!

It does bring comfort knowing that we are not going through this road alone.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/glasscup6/ReneePhotocut300x300.jpg
:rose: :rose: Renee Michelle Fox :rose: :rose:

September 13, 1980 – June 24, 2006

You will not be forgotten
:rose::rose::rose:





I and many others were thinking about you, all day long~!!!
:rose: :rose:

[LetsBeConcerned]

The German tourists in 1996 were last seen at a tourist center where they bought a booklet on Death Valley. I not sure if they ever left the road. Just that their rented van was found with 3 flat tires, and not until months later.

I would have long forgotten about these tourists, if it were not for Renee~!!! I went up to Inyo County on Friday, July 28, 2006 along with others to try to help in the search for Renee. When we went into the hotel lobby, there were tourists also there, as they left the lobby they spoke to each other in a foreign Language.

We had walked up to the clerk and said that we were here to search the missing woman. The clerk then says, “Oh, you must be German~!” as another clerk says, “I read about that in the paper~!” We could tell that they had us confused with the group that just left. Yet what other article were they talking about~??? Maybe us, but why would they think that we were German~???:shrug:

I looked up and over at the last tourist leaving, and he had stopped and turned around to look at Renee’s flyer that we had just hung on the glass door. He stopped and kissed his hand and touched Renee’s picture. He called his friends over to look at Renee’s flyer. They all came over, read the flyer, stood in a circle, kissed their fingers and touched Renee’s picture. They then bowed their heads and prayed for Renee~!~!~!~! I was very moved by this scene.

I wanted to walk up and talk to them, but that would have only confused the situation, since to was apparent that we were being confused, by the hotel clerks, as being of the same party instead 2 different groups…We also needed to make sure we got the right rooms~!

Later, I would go to different cities and would talk to different merchants and ask if they would mind if I hung a missing person poster in there window~? Again I was asked if I was German~? :shrug: This scenario would repeat it’s self…

Then someone said “have you read the local paper~?” (no I hadn’t) I would later pick up a paper and on the front page was “BODY FOUND” That body would turn out to be Shaleen~! Not Renee~!! Yet still would not explain why being German was important~!!

I would then later find out that it was the commencement of the 10 year anniversary of the missing German family… that week~!!! The German Family was last seen at a Tourist Center on July 22, 1996 purchasing a booklet on Death Valley…They were suppose to arrive in Germany July 29… Interpol reported them missing August 14…the van was found by happenstance on October 26, 1996 … AFTER that… the search started for this FAMILY~!!! 3 MONTHS LATER~!!! The only thing that they found was a beer bottle~!!!! With 40 days of over 120 degree heat there bodies would have mummified~!!! Yet nothing has been found~!!!

It was earlier that week that the newspapers had written articles on the Tourists.

Those German Tourists were last seen on July 22, 1996.

Ten years Later, I was up there on July 28, 2006 looking for Renee and checking into a hotel.

I occasionally think about that prayer circle and would wonder if they knew or were related to the German Tourist that went missing in 1996… Either way, I do feel for their family and friends…TEN YEARS~!!!! Is much to long to go without knowing where your loved ones are~!!!!!!

I feel for the family of German Tourists and their anguish… I feel for how painful and hard it is to find answers when you live in a different country on the other side of the world~!!!!

I am even more touched and moved by the memory of those people who did not know Renee but took the time to stop and pray for her safe return~!!!!!



:rose:A mother, Cornelia Meyer 33:rose:
:rose:her son, Max Meyer, 4; :rose:
:rose:Her friend Egbert Rimkus, 33:rose:
:rose:His son, Georg Weber 10:rose:

May their family one-day find the answers that they seek~!!!

Death Valley bones may be missing German tourists
(AP) – 2 hours ago

DEATH VALLEY NATIONAL PARK, Calif. — Skeletal remains found in Death Valley may belong to one or more of the four German tourists who vanished in searing summer heat 13 years ago, authorities said Friday.

Two hikers discovered the bones Thursday in a remote area of the famous Mojave Desert park. The hikers were search-and-rescue workers from Riverside County but they were off duty at the time, Inyo County sheriff's spokeswoman Carma Roper said.

Identification for one of the missing tourists was found near the bones, she said.

"We're fairly certain" that the remains are those of one or more of the long-missing visitors, Roper said. However, formally identifying the remains will be a long process, she said. The cause of death also must be determined.

"At this point, it's being handled like a criminal investigation ... but there is no evidence of foul play at this point," Roper said.

The remains were found southeast of Goler Wash, a rugged area accessible only by 4-wheel-drive vehicles. The area is several miles south of the spot where an abandoned minivan the tourists had rented was found months after they were reported missing.

Roper said it would be a relief to solve a mystery that stretches back to 1996.

"I know a lot of people have invested a lot of their time and energy and emotions into concluding the case," she said.

The park near the Nevada border is considered the hottest and driest location in North America. The four who vanished in the 3-million-acre wilderness on July 22, 1996, were Dresden residents Cornelia Meyer, 27; her 4-year-old son, Max; her boyfriend, architect Egbert Rimkus, 34, and his 10-year-old son, Georg Weber.

They had arrived in the United States earlier in the month and were touring in a Plymouth Voyager minivan rented in Los Angeles.

They checked out of a Las Vegas hotel room on July 22 and arrived in Death Valley the same day, records indicated.

Temperatures in the park that week had topped 120 degrees.

The visitors bought an information booklet at the visitor center and then apparently stayed overnight in the park and the next day took a dirt road into a remote area.

An entry in German and dated July 23, 1996, was left in a guest book kept in a box on a metal pole in an abandoned mining camp. It indicated the visitors were going through "the pass" — possibly a reference to Mengel Pass, a dirt trail that crosses the barren Panamint Range, a barren mountain range on the park's southwestern border.

The entry was signed "Conny, Egbert, Georg, Max."

They weren't heard from again.

On Oct. 23, the locked van was found mired in sand in a ravine off roadless Anvil Spring Canyon, amid rolling hills at an elevation of 3,000 feet and far from usual tourists routes. Three tires were shredded and one had come loose from the rim.

Searchers found a beer bottle a quarter-mile away that appeared to have come from a package found in the van.

Inside the van were rolls of exposed photo film, sleeping bags, empty gallon water containers, the Death Valley information booklet and an American flag apparently taken from a stone cabin in Butte Valley, five miles away.

No tracks that could have been made by the missing tourists were found. No passports or personal effects such as keys, a purse or wallet were found.

A team of 45 searchers, eight horses and four helicopters from California and Nevada law enforcement agencies combed the area but found nothing more.

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