Michael Tracey & the emails [m]

[~Leslie~]

I can't find his name anywhere in these threads. Is it true that he is about to release a book on the case? He was corresponding with Karr for 4 years and turned him in just before his book is due to be released? Am I getting this right? Anyone know his name? Please feel free to correct me or merge this where it belongs. TIA.

[Chevalier]

I haven't really seen a lot on this guy and the only place I heard that about him releasing a book soon was from Wendy Murphy during a big ol' tirade.

[KittyMom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208999,00.html

This is what fox is reporting.

Ramsey attorney Wood said Karr had tried to correspond with Patsy Ramsey in the months before her death. Ramsey did not reply, but handed the information over to investigators, helping to link Karr to the case, Wood said.

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by Chevalier
I haven't really seen a lot on this guy and the only place I heard that about him releasing a book soon was from Wendy Murphy during a big ol' tirade.

Well .. I certainly hope this isn't some publicity stunt on his part.
Is that what Wendy was insinuating?

[rrsafety]

his name is Michael Tracey

[LI_Mom]

Michael Tracey was emailing Karr.

He's the one who did the pro-Ramsey documentary in the UK.


I don't know anything about a new book he might be publishing but this certainly is great advertising for him, isn't it?

If that's true, it makes me wonder if he might have even fed Karr some inside info just so the arrest would be made & the media paying attention to the case again.

[msgatorslayer]

Forgive me for not knowing which show I heard this on because I've watched so many this evening that I cannot remember. But I heard that this Michael Tracey had been searching for a publisher and was having a hard time. Nobody wanted the story.

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by ~Leslie~


Well .. I certainly hope this isn't some publicity stunt on his part.
Is that what Wendy was insinuating? Big time insinuating and she cut the Ramsey's no slack. I think she was on Chris Matthews' Hardball on MSNBC. Not like Chris to cover this story as he's pretty hard core politics, but I think he did spend a little time on it today.

[LexieRae]

Someone tried to interview him yesterday..the professor?? And he wouldn't answer any questions. He just kept saying 'innocent until proven guilty'. And 'no, I will not answer any questions about any e-mails or anything about the investigation.' He did not seem like he was seeking publicity, in my opinion.

[awareness]

Michael Tracey also was helm of that 2004 show on JBR.

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by Chevalier
I haven't really seen a lot on this guy and the only place I heard that about him releasing a book soon was from Wendy Murphy during a big ol' tirade.

I am sorry, but Wendy, in my opinion, has become SO bad, I have to mute my TV when she comes on. She keeps getting worse every year. Is it just me? :tongue:

[Louisadelmar]

Originally posted by LexieRae


I am sorry, but Wendy, in my opinion, has become SO bad, I have to mute my TV when she comes on. She keeps getting worse every year. Is it just me? :tongue:

No, she has gotten worse every year.

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by LexieRae
Someone tried to interview him yesterday..the professor?? And he wouldn't answer any questions. He just kept saying 'innocent until proven guilty'. And 'no, I will not answer any questions about any e-mails or anything about the investigation.' He did not seem like he was seeking publicity, in my opinion.


Well I'm sure you're right that he may not have wanted publicity today ... But boy can you imagine anyone interested in the case who WOULDN'T buy the book written by the very man who corresponded with the suspect for 4 years? ... I can't.

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by Chevalier
Big time insinuating and she cut the Ramsey's no slack. I think she was on Chris Matthews' Hardball on MSNBC. Not like Chris to cover this story as he's pretty hard core politics, but I think he did spend a little time on it today.

Thanks Chev ... I always think of Wendy along the same lines as Ann Coulter .. sort of like she's chewing her own face when she talks ...

[Icefog]

According to this story, after becomming leary Tracy contacted a PI Ollie Gray who was working for the Ramseys. Ollie Gray said "We encouraged (Tracey) to continue to communicate with him on it"


It goes on to say that they informed the DA of it and that and that the were reluctant until Gray was on the verge of going to Paris, where Karr was believed to have been, to confront Karr himself.

Prosecutors interviewed Tracey in June and “then they got damn serious in a big hurry,” Gray said.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27267773.shtml


Sounds to me like the guy didn't do anything wrong. He didn't go to the media, he went to the Ramsey's PI

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Icefog
According to this story, after becomming leary Tracy contacted a PI Ollie Gray who was working for the Ramseys. Ollie Gray said "We encouraged (Tracey) to continue to communicate with him on it"


It goes on to say that they informed the DA of it and that and that the were reluctant until Gray was on the verge of going to Paris, where Karr was believed to have been, to confront Karr himself.

Prosecutors interviewed Tracey in June and “then they got damn serious in a big hurry,” Gray said.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27267773.shtml


Sounds to me like the guy didn't do anything wrong. He didn't go to the media, he went to the Ramsey's PI

I hope Tracey didn't do anything wrong.

But they better have something good on Karr because what we've heard of & from him so far hasn't convinced many people he was involved.


And people closely connected to the Ramseys (sister & lawyers) look VERY dejected today as opposed to how they looked last night.

[Susan43]

Originally posted by Louisadelmar


No, she has gotten worse every year.

She sure has, thank goodness for remotes.

[Icefog]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I hope Tracey didn't do anything wrong.

But they better have something good on Karr because what we've heard of & from him so far hasn't convinced many people he was involved.


And people closely connected to the Ramseys (sister & lawyers) look VERY dejected today as opposed to how they looked last night.

At this point nothing short of a DNA match on the evidence under her fingernails and on her underwear will do. IMO

[Aletta]

Here's another article involving Tracy.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4923202,00.html

"Michael Tracey was instrumental in this investigation," said Susan Stine, a close and longtime Ramsey family friend who spent considerable time with them through Patsy Ramsey's losing battle with cancer.

"He was instrumental in flushing this person out in the sense of getting him to talk," Stine added. "(The suspect) was in e-mail communication with Michael over a period of (time), and that helped to develop the case."

Tracey himself declined to comment on his role, saying only this about the suspect:

"I do believe he has the right to be presumed innocent. I got involved in this, for 10 years, because I believe that right was never extended to the Ramseys, and that was wrong."

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by ~Leslie~



Well I'm sure you're right that he may not have wanted publicity today ... But boy can you imagine anyone interested in the case who WOULDN'T buy the book written by the very man who corresponded with the suspect for 4 years? ... I can't.

I never really thought of it until you mentioned it. Being honest, yes, I would buy it. But the professor still did not seem like he was out for publicity. He may get a boost in sales...probably will now that you mentioned it, but I don't think he had any agenda.
We DO KNOW this man was writing to Patsy (or Patricia as he calls her), so I would imagine the DA was watching him anyway.

[Icefog]

Originally posted by LexieRae



We DO KNOW this man was writing to Patsy (or Patricia as he calls her), so I would imagine the DA was watching him anyway.


Prosecutors didn't even interview Tracey until June (despite the Ramsey's PI urging them to take this seriously)

Patsy died June 24th.

ETA to add link http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27267773.shtml

[Postergeist]

Oh Leslie,

Woman!

You are just not clicking around enough!

I posted several links about this dude early Thursday and on the sticky link...

http://www.mediawatchuk.org/Directors%20letters/Tracey%20not%20nutty%20prof.htm

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=249
(this forum doesn't like Professor Tracey too much)

http://www.colorado.edu/journalism/faculty/bios/tracey.html

http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1803742,00.html
<snip>
I meet Michael Tracey in a place he refers to as his 'downtown office' - a bar called the Hungry Toad, which is owned by a Brit and is the only place in Boulder where you can buy a pint of bitter. Tracey is a professor of journalism at the University of Colorado; he has made three documentaries about the Ramsey case, is currently at work on a book about it, and has the ear of John and Patsy Ramsey, in whose innocence he firmly believes. He arrives with a manila envelope and tells me knowingly that he feels very close to solving the case. <snip>


*keep in mind that reports have been that Karr fled the country several years ago and moved from place to place, so it's likely email addys would be different when he sent email to Tracey. He also could've been using different nics as well when emailing. We see that happen all the time here. lol

[Pinetree]

Michael Tracey is a joke, IMO. He accused a man, in his first docufantasy, of the murder who wasn't in Co. at the time of the killing or accident or whatever the theory is. Seems his whole purpose in life is deflecting any suspicion away from the Ramseys....no matter what.

[TuscanDreams]

Tracey is a Professor at the University of Colorado. He's a critic of the American Justice System and often speaks out against us. He's from the UK. He's written a book and is currently trying to find a pubisher for his current book. In addition, he's written a documentary to show that the Ramsey's are innocent.

Is he unbiased? Nope.

Is he the one that Karr was emailing and gave inside info to? Yes.

Does Tracey have an agenda to get this case solved with his involvement so that he can really start a tirade against the American legal system? yes.

Did Karr email Tracey because he knew that Tracey would take his info and make a run with it? You bet!

This stinks, IMO.

This could be the perpetrator, I don't know. The problem is that Michael Tracey has shown a extreme disregard for the American Justice System and for the Ramsey's as suspects. So, he has an agenda. Can he be trusted as an informant?

And, I think that Karr should be locked up, regardless. He's a pedophile and his current CA warrants should mandate his registration as a sex offender and he should also be incarcerated and undergo treatment to determine what type of a public risk he is. That's a moot point in regards to whether he killed JBR or not.

JMO! :patriot:

[MyrDawn]

Biased or not, he has printouts of the emails Karr sent him for several years. Emails that raised the suspicions of other people, not only Tracey, when he showed them. Suspicious enough for the DA to have him tracked down, the federal authorites to cooperate, and the Bangkok authorites to arrest him.

[rrsafety]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html
"JonBenet, my love, my life. I love you and shall forever love you. I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness - this darkness that now separates us,...."I will tell you that I can understand people like Michael Jackson and feel sympathy when he suffers as he has," Karr wrote. He added that he, himself, "is trapped in a world that does not understand."

[Slicky]

Well that's pretty sickening.

[chambord]

Interesting comment in there, where Tracy writes "your mother attempted to raise you as a little girl".

[Celebration]

Originally posted by Slicky
Well that's pretty sickening.

But does it give you any feeling that he would have the aggression to duct tape a little girl's mouth, put a garrot (garrote) around her neck and abuse her?

I do not think this type of "sickening" is an aggressive "sickening," but one of putting his affection on inappropriate little girls (and maybe little boys).

[Slicky]

Originally posted by Celebration


But does it give you any feeling that he would have the aggression to duct tape a little girl's mouth, put a garrot (garrote) around her neck and abuse her?

I do not think this type of "sickening" is an aggressive "sickening," but one of putting his affection on inappropriate little girls (and maybe little boys).

No it doesn't.

I really just don't know what to think about it all at this point. The next few days will bear out what evidence the DA has. Let's hope there's a DNA match in there somewhere.

[msgatorslayer]

Sickening! :cuss:

[Amistaree]

Sicko.

[Former Juror]

It's further proof, IMO, that he is just some sicko obsessed with this case.

[QuiteContrary]

Upon reading the infornation about the e-mails I became physically ill. This is a person from Hell. Bent on owning and destroying a human being for his own pleasure and ego. A person who has allowed the abnormal to become the norm. A person who puts his needs before all others. And worst of all, sexual needs and the demand to own someone fully. Coveting an innocent human being.

[anais2005]

Unless we have the emails he sent Karr as well as the emails Karr sent him who knows what he was feeding Karr,

I am as interested in what he was writing to Karr as to what he was receiving,

for the emails to have any veracity we have to read both sides

[ImaVeggie]

Karr First Emailed Tracey 4 Years Ago and waited until May of this year to contact BC Police. Why wait so long? He is connected with the private investigator hired by the Ramseys & with Lou Smit, the detective who came out of retirement to work on the case and who believes that the Ramseys are innocent, that an intruder is the murderer.

Professor Tracey supposedly has a book he wants published. The timing of this all raises my suspicions.

The word patsy keeps swirling in my brain.

[Angelina]

Holy crap, that is just sickening.

[napa]

The white teddy bear is what might be the lynch pin for him.

[Angelina]

Originally posted by napa
The white teddy bear is what might be the lynch pin for him.

:eek: I forgot about the teddy bear. Good catch!!

[Angelina]

Originally posted by napa
The white teddy bear is what might be the lynch pin for him.

And wasnt there a red heart drawn on her back?

[canUCme?]

Reading this made my skin crawl. This is an adult male writing to a baby.
There is no "fixing" a pedophile....this is why they all need to be locked up and the key thrown away. ALL of them.
MOO.
"C"

[TIAZ]

I don't know..........its still "off" to me. For now, from what I know, he just seems an obsessed sicko.

[April46]

Originally posted by canUCme?
Reading this made my skin crawl. This is an adult male writing to a baby.
There is no "fixing" a pedophile....this is why they all need to be locked up and the key thrown away. ALL of them.
MOO.
"C"

CanUCme? I think you hit the nail right on the head. This is an adult male writing to a baby. Absolutely sickening but this is the abnormal mindset of a paedophile. Oh, and I agree with what you say about paedophiles too – although it will never happen, unfortunately.

This from rrsafety's link…

If there is to be a life for me after this one I pray that it will be with you – together forever with you and other little girls who are gone now from my life forever.

He appears to be fantasizing about dead children. Is he a killer I wonder or just an obsessed sicko!

[Slicky]

Originally posted by Angelina


And wasnt there a red heart drawn on her back?

There was a red heart drawn on the palm of her hand.

[canUCme?]

Originally posted by QuiteContrary
Upon reading the infornation about the e-mails I became physically ill. This is a person from Hell. Bent on owning and destroying a human being for his own pleasure and ego. A person who has allowed the abnormal to become the norm. A person who puts his needs before all others. And worst of all, sexual needs and the demand to own someone fully. Coveting an innocent human being.

Hi QuiteContrary;
I thought very similar thoughts while reading this, and ... this is a BABY he's writing to.

I can't help but wonder how many other victims are out there. He married his first wife when she was 13, his second when he was 16. The 13 year old divorced him one year later (when he was 20) because she feared for her life.

Sick doesn't even cover these nuts...they are so far beyond that.

"C"

[Angelina]

Originally posted by Slicky


There was a red heart drawn on the palm of her hand.

Thanks

[Slicky]

Originally posted by Angelina


Thanks

You're welcome.

There is a site.....don't recall the name or have a link for you at the moment but I can find it real quick. Anyway, on this site is an autopsy photo of her hand with the heart drawn inside it. IIRC investigators weren't sure if it had been drawn the day before and had faded with wear or if the perp drew it on and then tried to wash it away.

eta - Here is the link for that site I mentioned. I'm sorry......the photos are heartbreaking. You can scroll quickly past the first three photos to the fourth one. That's the one.

Photos (http://zyberzoom.com/JonBenet.html)

[Mojo Bumpkin]

Originally posted by rrsafety
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html
"JonBenet, my love, my life. I love you and shall forever love you. I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness - this darkness that now separates us,...."I will tell you that I can understand people like Michael Jackson and feel sympathy when he suffers as he has," Karr wrote. He added that he, himself, "is trapped in a world that does not understand."

OK, I just threw up in mouth mouth a little bit. :eek:

[Mojo Bumpkin]

Originally posted by napa
The white teddy bear is what might be the lynch pin for him.

Sorry, I must have missed the significance of this....what about the white teddy bear?

TIA!!!!! :seeya:

[Slicky]

Originally posted by Mojo Bumpkin


Sorry, I must have missed the significance of this....what about the white teddy bear?

TIA!!!!! :seeya:

If I understand it correctly there was a white teddy bear that mysteriously appeared in JonBenet's room before her murder. Her parents did not know where it came from. Evidently this Michael Tracy had possession of a picture of JMK holding a very similar teddy bear.

[napa]

Go to the top of the thread and read the rocky mountain news link. He emailed Tracey a childhood picture of himself holding a white santa teddy bear, a similar one was found near rthe body of Jon Benet. Her parents did not recognize the teddy bear as belonging to her.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Mojo Bumpkin


Sorry, I must have missed the significance of this....what about the white teddy bear?

TIA!!!!! :seeya:

Supposidly there is a photo of Karr when he was about six yrs old holding a white teddy bear. A similar or the same teddy bear was found on Jon benet's bed.

[Slicky]

Originally posted by Mojo Bumpkin


Sorry, I must have missed the significance of this....what about the white teddy bear?

TIA!!!!! :seeya:

From the linked article regarding emails between JMK and Michael Tracey:

"The paper reported former students as saying that someone sent Tracey a childhood picture of himself holding a white Santa Claus teddy bear and purportedly taken on a Christmas morning. The stuffed animal was apparently just like the one that mysteriously showed up in JonBenet's bedroom and stumped the family and investigators."

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by Postergeist
Oh Leslie,

Woman!

You are just not clicking around enough!

I posted several links about this dude early Thursday and on the sticky link...

http://www.mediawatchuk.org/Directors%20letters/Tracey%20not%20nutty%20prof.htm

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=249
(this forum doesn't like Professor Tracey too much)

http://www.colorado.edu/journalism/faculty/bios/tracey.html

http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1803742,00.html
<snip>
I meet Michael Tracey in a place he refers to as his 'downtown office' - a bar called the Hungry Toad, which is owned by a Brit and is the only place in Boulder where you can buy a pint of bitter. Tracey is a professor of journalism at the University of Colorado; he has made three documentaries about the Ramsey case, is currently at work on a book about it, and has the ear of John and Patsy Ramsey, in whose innocence he firmly believes. He arrives with a manila envelope and tells me knowingly that he feels very close to solving the case. <snip>


*keep in mind that reports have been that Karr fled the country several years ago and moved from place to place, so it's likely email addys would be different when he sent email to Tracey. He also could've been using different nics as well when emailing. We see that happen all the time here. lol

Thanks postie!

[TuscanDreams]

JonBenet was given that Santa Bear 2 weeks prior to her death as a pagent gift.

It has nothing to do with this case.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4929507,00.html

A mysterious stuffed Christmas bear, once considered a potentially important clue in the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation, is again in the spotlight - thanks to a photograph e-mailed to a University of Colorado professor by the man now in custody in the killing.

In 1999, investigators released a photograph and asked for the public's help in identifying a small stuffed bear dressed in a Santa Claus suit. It was found in the Ramsey home, and the girl's parents didn't recognize it.

Investigators later learned the bear had been a prize in a beauty contest won by JonBenet a couple of weeks before she was killed.
Snipped
In February 1999, Boulder police investigators acknowledged that they had never seized it as evidence, and the Ramseys said that they didn't have it.

[mommy1]

Who was writing the book?? If it was the professor was he writing about the murder or on pedophila?? How did hese two get together??

[Postergeist]

Info on the professor can be found on the Sticky at the top of this forum and there are several threads here about the professor, just do a search or click back a few pages to find threads on the professor.

[Jeff_H]

ugh nevervind

[mommy1]

so was karr communicating with Tracey with the thought that he was a professor working closely with this case or that he was a fellow pedophile??

[kathyl777us]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
Tracey is a Professor at the University of Colorado. He's a critic of the American Justice System and often speaks out against us. He's from the UK. He's written a book and is currently trying to find a pubisher for his current book. In addition, he's written a documentary to show that the Ramsey's are innocent.

Is he unbiased? Nope.

Is he the one that Karr was emailing and gave inside info to? Yes.

Does Tracey have an agenda to get this case solved with his involvement so that he can really start a tirade against the American legal system? yes.

Did Karr email Tracey because he knew that Tracey would take his info and make a run with it? You bet!

This stinks, IMO.

This could be the perpetrator, I don't know. The problem is that Michael Tracey has shown a extreme disregard for the American Justice System and for the Ramsey's as suspects. So, he has an agenda. Can he be trusted as an informant?

And, I think that Karr should be locked up, regardless. He's a pedophile and his current CA warrants should mandate his registration as a sex offender and he should also be incarcerated and undergo treatment to determine what type of a public risk he is. That's a moot point in regards to whether he killed JBR or not.

JMO! :patriot:

:beer:

[LI_Mom]

Interesting article about Tracey here:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html


(excerpt)

"If you know the case and you watch Tracey's documentaries, they're filled with blatant lies. It's so easily proven," Griffith says from Park City, Utah, where she does radio and voiceover work. In Tracey's 2004 documentary, Who Killed the Pageant Queen?, the professor claimed to have stunning new evidence that was leading police to a previously unidentified "prime suspect." The documentary claimed that police were trying unsuccessfully to track down the man because he had gone "underground." Tracey's film didn't name the man, but a document was shown onscreen that purported to be a police record of the suspect, with the suspect's name and address blacked out.

Griffith says an alert viewer in Scotland recorded the show and was able to do a screen capture of the police report. The image included a document number, enough information for Griffith to track down her own copy of the document.

[anais2005]

To me it is as important to find out what Tracey was emailing to Karr,

I hope he wasn't offering him contact with Patsy in exchange for Karr telling him things, that verges on entrapment IMO

there was a case in the UK where a man a little similar to Karr called Colin Stagg inserted himself into the investigation of an horrific murder of Rachel Nikkel,

police decided he may have done it, he had made contact with women via lonely hearts ads and wrriten then his sexual fantasies,

police decided to try to get a confession from him, they set up a scenario where Stagg thought he was corresponding with a woman who was into kinky sex, and they sent each other fantasies, this was all a trap by the police and a profiler, who had convinced themselves he was the killer,

the letters progressed to meetings with an undercover police woman, who told Stagg she had murdered someone and she wanted to be with a man who had, she said she knew he was a suspect in Nickell case and it would be thrilling if he was the killer,

well he never confessed, even though he was a 31 year old virgin desperate for sex and a girlfreind,

eventually case came to court, judge threw out all evidence relating to police operation, gave police a right good telling off for trapping him, case over,

Stagg is an innocent man as with new advanced DNA he does not match the DNA found at the scene.

I just hope that Tracey was not enticing or eliciting things from Karr with the promise that Karr would have access to the Ramseys, which is what he obviously craved,

[anais2005]

Originally posted by beemeup
Tracey is supposed to be on Larry King Mon. night. It will be interesting to see what he has to say.

Nothing of any interest I think, IMO the DA should gag him,

he could seriously damage this case by discussing things in the media that should be kept fo any possiblt trial,

but hey when you have a book to promote, documentaries to sell the case and evidence take a back seat,

[hohum]

Originally posted by anais2005


Nothing of any interest I think, IMO the DA should gag him,

he could seriously damage this case by discussing things in the media that should be kept fo any possiblt trial,

but hey when you have a book to promote, documentaries to sell the case and evidence take a back seat,

Tacey has already revealed much of his correspondence with Karr to his students as part of the class he taught. The students are now giving interviews.

[ava]

I am about to turn the channel-all he will say is how he won't say anything or else lecturing everyone-telling them Karr deserves the presumption of innocence, etc etc.

[killingvector]

Seriously, why did he come on if he wasn't going to talk about karr or the emails?

Frankly, I don't need a lecture on the media. Blowhard.

[Denise36]

Anyone else catch Karr's possible email? I'm not sure how that would be spelled.

[who asked you]

Everyone wants to get in their 15 minutes of fame and this guy is no different.

[chambord]

Did you just hear Lin Wood Ramsey's atty. threaten Wendy Murphy for accussing the family of murder? He was very angry and said Wendy will find herself as defendent Wendy, if she doesn't cease her serious attacks.


moo

[killingvector]

Lin Wood is actually more compelling than Tracey. Goes to show how bereft of information this LK hour has been...

[summerthyme]

Originally posted by Denise36
Anyone else catch Karr's possible email? I'm not sure how that would be spelled.

Karr's email address is date of JonBenet death (http://tinyurl.com/zgj5p)

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by chambord
Did you just hear Lin Wood Ramsey's atty. threaten Wendy Murphy for accussing the family of murder? He was very angry and said Wendy will find herself as defendent Wendy, if she doesn't cease her serious attacks.


moo


OMG!!! I would love to see that! Wendy has been calling the Ramseys guilty for 10 years. She has really been brazen the last few days!

[DixieChick]

Originally posted by chambord
Did you just hear Lin Wood Ramsey's atty. threaten Wendy Murphy for accussing the family of murder? He was very angry and said Wendy will find herself as defendent Wendy, if she doesn't cease her serious attacks.


moo

I'll drink to that. :beer: "Bit-h"

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by summerthyme


Karr's email address is date of JonBenet death (http://tinyurl.com/zgj5p)

im still on the fence but anyone can make their email addy say anything as long as it is not already taken. If he really wants to be the murderer hes gonna try to make other ppl believe it too.

im so 50/50 about this sick dude

chilling to see that though

[veronicagoodhea]

Originally posted by who asked you
Everyone wants to get in their 15 minutes of fame and this guy is no different. Looks that way,doesnt it?this guy,the prof,he didnt come off any info,what was he there for?

[TIAZ]

Originally posted by veronicagoodhea
Looks that way,doesnt it?this guy,the prof,he didnt come off any info,what was he there for?


After seeing him on LKL last night, I was really turned off by him. I found him arrogant and snotty. After he came on to say he wouldn't say anything, Larry asked him a question and his response was "Nice try Larry".

[mmerijayn]

Could also be a reference to his twin deceased daughters...

[Chevalier]

3) His dead twin daughters

[CrimeReader]

Definitely think it's about his dead daughters. He might have thought God was punishing him when he delivered his dead children at home. And from there on wanted to possess other little girls.

Maybe if he's a pedophile sadist (JBR's bondage and such), he may have wanted her to get close to death but not die? I don't know. Or maybe it just took him over and he wanted to kill another little girl as precious as his girls were to him?

Just thinking out loud. my2cents.

[ImaVeggie]

Michael Sandrock, a Boulder freelance journalist and acquaintance of Michael Tracey, has a chance meeting with Karr in Paris in 2002 and Sandrock recalls meeting with Karr several times that week in Paris. They always end up talking about Ramsey case. Sandrock gives Karr, Michael Tracey's email. Tracey has made several documentaries on the Ramsey case and is is the process of finishing a book on it as well.

They email each other for 4 years. As some point, Tracey tells Ollie Gray (Ramsey's private investigator) about these emails and Gray encourages Tracey to continue communicate with Karr.

Then in May of this year, law enforcement was notified of these emails and they began investigating Karr.

Am I the only one who is so suspicious of this?

Why wait 4 years? A chance encounter? Then Sandrock meet several more times with Karr that week in Paris?

Would they (Tracey & Gray) have known that in 2001 there had the recorded tapes of Karr talking to Wendy Hutchins?

I can't stop thinking this is a setup. Ramsey's team looking for a patsy because either John Ramsey was involved or that they just want desperately to clear his name.

[Rocky]

Conclusions.

The man is mentally unstable and needs to be under lock and key.

I don't think he killed JBR.

OR

The man has killed many little girls.

Death penalty pending.

[veronicagoodhea]

Originally posted by TIAZ



After seeing him on LKL last night, I was really turned off by him. I found him arrogant and snotty. After he came on to say he wouldn't say anything, Larry asked him a question and his response was "Nice try Larry". Isnt he the one whos being rumored to writing a book?Thought I heard mention in news of a book?

[napa]

If someone is "set up" as you put it, what would be the chances of that same person confessing the murder in front of TV cameras?

Most people who are "set up" would say "hell no, I was not involved, I was not in the basement, I have never been to Colorado."

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by summerthyme


Karr's email address is date of JonBenet death (http://tinyurl.com/zgj5p)

Thanks for this news link!

This helps to shoot down the talk around here that JMK was using any sort of "real" name and addy to correspond over the years with the professor and could've been turned in sooner.

imo

I had heard of the nic Daxis 3 days ago and posted about it.

[Samuel42]

I just hope LE also have Tracey's emails so they know what he told Karr. I don't trust the guy.

[CalifMermaid]

Originally posted by killingvector
Seriously, why did he come on if he wasn't going to talk about karr or the emails?

Frankly, I don't need a lecture on the media. Blowhard.


Maybe to promote his name so his book sales will go up:shrug:

[shells]

Originally posted by Denise36
Anyone else catch Karr's possible email? I'm not sure how that would be spelled.


I think that just furthurs the idea that this is just some obsessed crazy guy, who has in his own little world, convinced himself that he is guilty of murdering her.

[ImaVeggie]

napa... Because Karr could be convinced that he was there and did it. He may be delusional. People have made false confessions before.

[kindeekat]

:seeya: DEFINITELY.

[bchand]

Originally posted by kindeekat
:seeya: DEFINITELY.

If that's in response to "Is anyone else skeptical about Michael Tracey? ", I agree 100%.

[kindeekat]

Originally posted by bchand


If that's in response to "Is anyone else skeptical about Michael Tracey? ", I agree 100%.



It is and I am. :D

[SLOTOWN]

Originally posted by ImaVeggie
Michael Sandrock, a Boulder freelance journalist and acquaintance of Michael Tracey, has a chance meeting with Karr in Paris in 2002 and Sandrock recalls meeting with Karr several times that week in Paris. They always end up talking about Ramsey case. Sandrock gives Karr, Michael Tracey's email. Tracey has made several documentaries on the Ramsey case and is is the process of finishing a book on it as well.

They email each other for 4 years. As some point, Tracey tells Ollie Gray (Ramsey's private investigator) about these emails and Gray encourages Tracey to continue communicate with Karr.

Then in May of this year, law enforcement was notified of these emails and they began investigating Karr.

Am I the only one who is so suspicious of this?

Why wait 4 years? A chance encounter? Then Sandrock meet several more times with Karr that week in Paris?



Would they (Tracey & Gray) have known that in 2001 there had the recorded tapes of Karr talking to Wendy Hutchins?

I can't stop thinking this is a setup. Ramsey's team looking for a patsy because either John Ramsey was involved or that they just want desperately to clear his name.


Did you realize you said that? I think it is weird the professor waited that long to report him, but with all the nuts out there he may be just one of many he was in touch with. I don't think the Ramseys set this up...that seems too far fetched to me.

But looking for a Patsy :)

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by bchand


If that's in response to "Is anyone else skeptical about Michael Tracey? ", I agree 100%.

Why did Tracey keep 4 years of e-mails from Karr?

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by ImaVeggie
Michael Sandrock, a Boulder freelance journalist and acquaintance of Michael Tracey, has a chance meeting with Karr in Paris in 2002 and Sandrock recalls meeting with Karr several times that week in Paris. They always end up talking about Ramsey case. Sandrock gives Karr, Michael Tracey's email. Tracey has made several documentaries on the Ramsey case and is is the process of finishing a book on it as well.

They email each other for 4 years. As some point, Tracey tells Ollie Gray (Ramsey's private investigator) about these emails and Gray encourages Tracey to continue communicate with Karr.

Then in May of this year, law enforcement was notified of these emails and they began investigating Karr.

Am I the only one who is so suspicious of this?

Why wait 4 years? A chance encounter? Then Sandrock meet several more times with Karr that week in Paris?

Would they (Tracey & Gray) have known that in 2001 there had the recorded tapes of Karr talking to Wendy Hutchins?

I can't stop thinking this is a setup. Ramsey's team looking for a patsy because either John Ramsey was involved or that they just want desperately to clear his name.

You're not the only one ... I'm with you on this. Add Lin Wood as the potential choreographer ...

[candykisses]

Originally posted by jmgos1


Why did Tracey keep 4 years of e-mails from Karr?

I think TRacey is a bit off myself, and he was enjoying taunting Karr. JMO tho. :(

[candykisses]

Originally posted by ~Leslie~


You're not the only one ... I'm with you on this. Add Lin Wood as the potential choreographer ...

Oh please, GMAB. :o

Lin Wood is anything but a choreographer for this fiasco IMO.

For crying out loud, he and John Ramsey have both asked that Karr have the presumption of innocence.

Explain that if you will....

[Arizona]

Originally posted by jmgos1


Why did Tracey keep 4 years of e-mails from Karr?



Isnt Tracy writing a book about all this? If so, then Tracey would probably save the emails for his book.

[Get Fuzzy]

Here is an interesting article about Michael Tracey:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

Something to think about...

:read:

[Mojo Bumpkin]

Originally posted by ~Leslie~


Add Lin Wood as the potential choreographer ...

Oh please.... :rolleyes:

Lin Wood, along with John Ramsey & Mary Lacy, have stated that Karr is innocent until proven guilty. How is Wood a "choreographer"?

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Samuel42
I just hope LE also have Tracey's emails so they know what he told Karr. I don't trust the guy. I absolutely agree. I also want to see evidence that Karr was obsessed with Jon Benet BEFORE the murder and not just after, as I suspect.

[who asked you]

Originally posted by Icefog
According to this story, after becomming leary Tracy contacted a PI Ollie Gray who was working for the Ramseys. Ollie Gray said "We encouraged (Tracey) to continue to communicate with him on it"


It goes on to say that they informed the DA of it and that and that the were reluctant until Gray was on the verge of going to Paris, where Karr was believed to have been, to confront Karr himself.

Prosecutors interviewed Tracey in June and “then they got damn serious in a big hurry,” Gray said.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27267773.shtml


Sounds to me like the guy didn't do anything wrong. He didn't go to the media, he went to the Ramsey's PI

Why would someone go to a PI hired by the people who have been under suspician for a decade instead of going straight to the police? Am I the only one who finds this a bit odd?

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by candykisses


Oh please, GMAB. :o

Lin Wood is anything but a choreographer for this fiasco IMO.

For crying out loud, he and John Ramsey have both asked that Karr have the presumption of innocence.

Explain that if you will....


Yes, I heard that from both Wood and JRamsey ... We'll see how it all plays out ...right?

[TIAZ]

Originally posted by Get Fuzzy
Here is an interesting article about Michael Tracey:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

Something to think about...

:read:


I have NO TROUBLE buying that. He just seems off to me as well.

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by TIAZ



I have NO TROUBLE buying that. He just seems off to me as well.

LOL Yeah .. I saw Tracey ( the guy who didn't want any publicity according to some around here) blathering on for how long last night on LKL?

[kindeekat]

Originally posted by Get Fuzzy
Here is an interesting article about Michael Tracey:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

Something to think about...

:read:




That confirms it for me. :rolleyes:
EsPECIALLY after that snotty little performance on LKL last night.

Puke. I sure miss that old icon.

JMO of course.

[who asked you]

Tracey does indeed have a new book about JonBenet. According to this article, the manuscript was expected to be ready around August 6th, Jon Benet's 16th birthday, or at the latest by December 26th, the 10th anniversary of her death. Interesting timing considering the most recent developments and him having a history of finding suspects.

http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php

[~Leslie~]

Originally posted by who asked you
Tracey does indeed have a new book about JonBenet. According to this article, the manuscript was expected to be ready around August 6th, Jon Benet's 16th birthday, or at the latest by December 26th, the 10th anniversary of her death. Interesting timing considering the most recent developments and him having a history of finding suspects.

http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php

WOW! What a coincidence huh? ;)

[kindeekat]

WOW that's AMAZING! :rolleyes:

sheesh.

And he goes on LKL and elsewhere to complain about the media frenzy and the publicity. The word "hypocrite" comes to mind but it's the nicest thing I can say on here right now...

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by kindeekat
WOW that's AMAZING! :rolleyes:

sheesh.

And he goes on LKL and elsewhere to complain about the media frenzy and the publicity. The word "hypocrite" comes to mind but it's the nicest thing I can say on here right now...

I just came across this article from 2001 about Schiller and Tracey. I had to laugh when I read the very last paragraph of the section about Tracey's opinion about the JBR story. :tongue:

LINK (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_914660,00.html)

[bookratt]

Karr Not Suspected Of Molesting Sonoma County Kids
(BCN) SANTA ROSA The prosecutor who handled John Mark Karr's child pornography case in Sonoma County in 2001 said there was never any evidence the former teacher molested children in the county, as some parents have worried since his arrest on Wednesday in connection with the murder of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

Julia Freis, now a defense attorney, said the five pornographic images that Karr allegedly had on his computer were of children and adults. The children were dressed normally.

"I don't remember any of them being 'dressed up,"' Freis said.

The Sonoma County district attorney's office would not grant interviews about Karr's pending pornography case and would not release any other information.

See link:

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_230191405.html

I also can find no evidence or credible allegation that he was a pedophile or ever was so accused.

Can anyone else?

[bchand]

Originally posted by kindeekat
WOW that's AMAZING! :rolleyes:

sheesh.

And he goes on LKL and elsewhere to complain about the media frenzy and the publicity. The word "hypocrite" comes to mind but it's the nicest thing I can say on here right now...

Bouncing this thread back to the top to add this info:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

"While the case against John Mark Karr disintegrates by the minute, New Times has learned that this isn't the first time Colorado University Professor Michael Tracey has caused a stir by fingering a "prime suspect" in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case — only to be proved wrong"

In 2004, Tracey, a British expatriate journalism professor and documentarian, produced a film about the Ramsey murder that aired on British television but not in the United States. By then, however, Tracey was already considered a notorious developer of false leads by a large group of Internet sleuths who congregated at Forums for Justice, a website started by a radio disc jockey named Tricia Griffith.

Much more at the link.

[Regina.Lampert]

I am very concerned that the Boulder DA acted on emails from Karr to Michael Tracey. Apparently Tracey has a history of naming suspects in this case who turn out to have had absolutely nothing to do with the murder.


http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

[abby15]

LOL, I thought I doubted his credibility before, now this!

[kindeekat]

No matter how this pans out, this dude is SKETCHY and causes me to approach ANYTHING he is attached to with EXTREME caution.

[chambord]

Originally posted by kindeekat
No matter how this pans out, this dude is SKETCHY and causes me to approach ANYTHING he is attached to with EXTREME caution.


We are on the same page with this.

[foxbila]

I admit I have not been following the "TRacey" connection that closely, but from what I understand..the trust of his documentary is about the media and the attention on the Ramsey's...
Please correct me if i am wrong..

So the Karr thing.....which he carefully side-stepped in his interview with Larry King....Is this merely a carefully orchestrated endevor(sp) to bolster his own agenda and perhaps create another documentary slamming these rush to judgements by the media...

K

[napa]

He was going to do another documentary BEFORE he turned Carr's emails over to authorities. Also, bear in mind that he did not know Carr's name or whereabouts when he went to the authorities. A lot of tips and other information has been given to LE, and I doubt Carr really thought that anything would become of this.

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by foxbila
I admit I have not been following the "TRacey" connection that closely, but from what I understand..the trust of his documentary is about the media and the attention on the Ramsey's...
Please correct me if i am wrong..

So the Karr thing.....which he carefully side-stepped in his interview with Larry King....Is this merely a carefully orchestrated endevor(sp) to bolster his own agenda and perhaps create another documentary slamming these rush to judgements by the media...

K

Possibly. And remember, he is pro-Ramsey innocence, so I would think Karr's lawyers are going to say he supplied Karr with the facts he wanted him to have.

[sunsplashed]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
I am very concerned that the Boulder DA acted on emails from Karr to Michael Tracey. Apparently Tracey has a history of naming suspects in this case who turn out to have had absolutely nothing to do with the murder.


http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

Although I doubted Tracey's, and Karr's, credibility, I didn't know that!

Thank you for the link. It was a very interesting article.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by kindeekat
No matter how this pans out, this dude is SKETCHY and causes me to approach ANYTHING he is attached to with EXTREME caution.

Yes and John Karr is, too. lol

[ELENDA100]

Has anybody tested his DNA. Just a thought.

On another thread I was reading info about the Santa(Reynolds) and wonder if his DNA was tested also. They say people were cleared but were they tested or just interviewed.

[L'aMet]

He has been on the inside for years. Just my opinion but based on timelines and what I read.:read:

By his own admission he was "toiling in academic obscurity" until...

"Tracey, 63, once said he was toiling in academic obscurity until he wrote an op-ed piece for the Boulder Daily Camera critical of the media's handling of the case. A Ramsey attorney, Bryan Morgan contacted him, leading to interviews with John and Patsy Ramsey and his first film."
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003018862

He is a spin doctor for the Ramseys. Paid well? Don't know. But look at human nature and motivation. Then we have to consider a reward for the person leading us to the killer...right? That is a lot of motivation. THE person credited for the capture of possibly the most notorious killer in our recent history would never be obscure again...nor would he have to worry about financial matters. Win/win for everyone in the Ramsey camp. eagerly awaiting the media to investigate his 4 year communication with Karr.

[Louisadelmar]

There was a fat woman on MSNBC this morning who was quite rabidly anti-Tracey. When people go off the deep end in either direction I usually tune them out.

[tommieb]

Is Michael Tracey ernest in his pursuit of the killer of JBR and has just thus far come up with the wrong guy.....

or

is he hoping that by finding the killer, however accidentally it may be, that he can claim that he found the killer because he is that good and increase his book sales....

or

is he just a hanger-on that hopes that by naming these people, no matter whether they are guilty or not he can distract the investigators and move the investigation in a different direction or maybe even make them look more inept so that he can write about it in his book.....

and if he reported this first guy as being the one, with all of his resources, could he not have discovered that the guy had an air-tight alibi before throwing his name out there. I am suspicious of his motives at this point.


Just some immediate thoughts.

At this point, I am suspicious of everything that anyone says be they supporters of the "Ramseys did it theory" or the "an intruder did it theory".

[Regina.Lampert]

Court tv is reporting that Karr related previously undisclosed information about this case in his emails to Tracey.
Information that the media did not know or have any idea of and this is the reason the probable cause affadavit is remaining sealed. The arrest warrant will be made available to the media and public.

[Star Diva]

And always in question is how leading was Tracey in his e-mails. If he was coaching Karr or leading him on in anyway that will not set well in Court.

And I've heard that Tracey tends toward this sort of thing. Face it - Karr isn't the only person looking for 15 minutes here. Those two attorneys also are pretty green behind the ears to be out there talking like they are if you ask me.

:hat:

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Star Diva
And always in question is how leading was Tracey in his e-mails. If he was coaching Karr or leading him on in anyway that will not set well in Court.

And I've heard that Tracey tends toward this sort of thing. Face it - Karr isn't the only person looking for 15 minutes here. Those two attorneys also are pretty green behind the ears to be out there talking like they are if you ask me.

:hat: Absolutely Diva....I want to see all the emails from Tracey to Karr, not just the emails of Karr to Tracey. I'd also like to know if any contact was made by phone or other means.

[tommieb]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
Court tv is reporting that Karr related previously undisclosed information about this case in his emails to Tracey.
Information that the media did not know or have any idea of and this is the reason the probable cause affadavit is remaining sealed. The arrest warrant will be made available to the media and public.



I know. I will be interested to find out what this undisclosed info was because this case has been discussed to death on the net, in books, papers, on tv, etc.

Just wondering........how would Tracey know that it was an undisclosed fact? If it was an undisclosed fact then he should not have known it either. Who would have told him and would that person have maybe told others as well?

I am pretty sure that I remember hearing/reading that he turned the emails over to LE after something was said in one of them that was an undisclosed fact. Hummmmmm.

I will try to find it and post the link.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by tommieb


I know. I will be interested to find out what this undisclosed info was because this case has been discussed to death on the net, in books, papers, on tv, etc.

Just wondering........how would Tracey know that it was an undisclosed fact? If it was an undisclosed fact then he should not have known it either. Who would have told him and would that person have maybe told others as well?

I am pretty sure that I remember hearing/reading that he turned the emails over to LE after something was said in one of them that was an undisclosed fact. Hummmmmm.

I will try to find it and post the link. The reports I have read say that Tracey found certain emails disturbing and turned them over to a private investigator. They eventually found their way to LE and the DA. Many questions remain about the events that led up to Karr's arrest, imo.

I too would love to know what information was revealed in those emails. For now tho, we're gonna have to wait, cuz that affadavit is sealed.

[mrman]

Interesting indeed. Unless Tracey "thought" he knew everything about the case and this was something he didn't know and wondered if it was a fact and turned the info over and the DA's office knew it was a fact that was undisclosed.

Does any of that make sense?

[Paisley]

So what if Tracey has been wrong in the past? It appears the Boulder Police Dept. has been wrong in the past as well...does this mean you can never trust their judgement?

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by mrman
Interesting indeed. Unless Tracey "thought" he knew everything about the case and this was something he didn't know and wondered if it was a fact and turned the info over and the DA's office knew it was a fact that was undisclosed.

Does any of that make sense? I'm following you. Lots of scenarios. Someone who actually knew this specific information may even have spoonfed it to Karr, a man given to a rich fantasy life, imo.

[trich]

this goes back to my original theory ....that Karr has some info he might have gotten from someone he was emailing with.
I hope the Boulder LE has thoughly checked Tracey out.
I think they need to get dna from him and check it against what they have from the crime scene.

I think he is just as obcessed as Karr is.

[nutmeg22]

I would like to know where Karr was getting his money. I wonder if he was required to pay child support after his second divorce?
It strikes me as strange that as a high school student, he was driving a DeLorean and another high profile car and supposedly his family was pretty poor. Maybe I heard this wrong, some talking head mentioned his youth.."growing up in poverty" was how it was put.
I don't know how much a substitute teacher makes but it can't be much

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by nutmeg22
I would like to know where Karr was getting his money. I wonder if he was required to pay child support after his second divorce?
It strikes me as strange that as a high school student, he was driving a DeLorean and another high profile car and supposedly his family was pretty poor. Maybe I heard this wrong, some talking head mentioned his youth.."growing up in poverty" was how it was put.
I don't know how much a substitute teacher makes but it can't be much

I think I heard his dad owned a used car lot (or worked at one?) and bought the car for John.

Maybe he was feeling guilty for leaving him with the grandparents & this was his way of making amends?


He did work in Germany as a nanny.

Some private tutoring in English would also be a way to earn enough to survive.

It's quite cheap to live in most of S.E. Asia... he had one small room in a cheap hotel & food is probably cheap also.

The biggest expense would be getting from Asia to Europe. Plane? Ship? We don't know how much money he had with him when he left the US.... maybe it was a nice chunk?

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
I am very concerned that the Boulder DA acted on emails from Karr to Michael Tracey. Apparently Tracey has a history of naming suspects in this case who turn out to have had absolutely nothing to do with the murder.


http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-08-17/news/jonbenet.html

Michael Tracy turned over disturbing e-mails to the LE/DA's office in Boulder. What would you want him to do? Ignore them? I don't care if he has turned over previous distubing e-mails to them 100 times.....if someone was e-mailing me with an e-mail address like Karrs "december251996@yahoo.com" and talking about stuff that I felt the DA should know, I call that a GOOD CITIZEN. Much better than the LE & the FBI that ignored the Hutchins woman when she tried to tell them about Karr in 2001. The FBI should have conducted a DNA test right then, especially since he was charged with Child Porn. In my opinion, Michael Tracy did a better job than the FBI, whether Karr is guilty or not. Better safe than sorry. If the FBI took care of this in 2001, Michael Tracy would not be involved.
jmo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by kindeekat
No matter how this pans out, this dude is SKETCHY and causes me to approach ANYTHING he is attached to with EXTREME caution.

SKETCHY is a good word for him. When I saw him on LKL the other night, he seemed extremely nervous and excitable.

He made a big production out of not being able to say anything about the emails or basically - anything at all, and chastised the media......so WHY did he appear on LKL?? :shrug:

[deerhound]

Originally posted by kindeekat
No matter how this pans out, this dude is SKETCHY and causes me to approach ANYTHING he is attached to with EXTREME caution.

Yes, and I have a question. When he gave his first press conference after JMK was arrested, he was rather testy with the reporters and said something like, "I'm not a big fan of 'trial by media.' It would never happen in the country I come from. It wouldn't be allowed." Did anyone else hear him say this? What in the world did he mean? Isn't he from Great Britain, where the Sun, a daily tabloid, has the highest circulation of any other paper? http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,2,00.html In today's issue (8-24-06) there is a cover story regarding a murder from three days ago, and in this cover story the suspects are called "vermin thugs" and "yobs." There has been no trial yet! This kind of stuff runs in the Sun every day, and on Sunday they put out the News of the World, which is even worse. Great Britain is the capital of tabloid journalism, and the tabloids are all about "trial by media." So what is this guy talking about?

[lisafremont]

Regina Lampert==
Your mailbox is always full. Please clear it and PM me, hon!
--lisafremont

[sumner]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
I'm following you. Lots of scenarios. Someone who actually knew this specific information may even have spoonfed it to Karr, a man given to a rich fantasy life, imo.

I've heard many people say this. Tracey has been fed so much information and has probably relayed key points to Karr.

[TigressPen]

I've heard many people say this. Tracey has been fed so much information and has probably relayed key points to Karr.

___________________________

Yep. I agree. Through suggestive questions.

[sumner]

Originally posted by TigressPen
I've heard many people say this. Tracey has been fed so much information and has probably relayed key points to Karr.

___________________________

Yep. I agree. Through suggestive questions.

It's a shame. So much information has been tainted, you don't know what to believe.

[msemmett]

The thing that creeped me out about Tracey was reading something on another thread about an email he had going with Karr about the Teddy picture. He said something to the effect of (assuming that a picture Karr had sent him of a little boy with a Teddy Bear) "that pretty little boy in the picture with the bear is you isn't it". My skin crawled at the phrase "pretty little boy". Who uses phrases like that?

[Louisadelmar]

Originally posted by msemmett
The thing that creeped me out about Tracey was reading something on another thread about an email he had going with Karr about the Teddy picture. He said something to the effect of (assuming that a picture Karr had sent him of a little boy with a Teddy Bear) "that pretty little boy in the picture with the bear is you isn't it". My skin crawled at the phrase "pretty little boy". Who uses phrases like that?

Someone who is trying to draw out a person who clearly has issues about children.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by lisafremont
Regina Lampert==
Your mailbox is always full. Please clear it and PM me, hon!
--lisafremont :eek: ...............:chicken:

[LadyJaneGrey]

I knew there was something about Michael Tracey that was just hinky. I've seen him on Court TV in the past and he just seems unreliable. I also think it was odd to call a press conference and then be testy and unforthcomng with the media's questions.... which you expressly invited!

[LadyJaneGrey]

Originally posted by deerhound


Yes, and I have a question. When he gave his first press conference after JMK was arrested, he was rather testy with the reporters and said something like, "I'm not a big fan of 'trial by media.' It would never happen in the country I come from. It wouldn't be allowed." Did anyone else hear him say this? What in the world did he mean? Isn't he from Great Britain, where the Sun, a daily tabloid, has the highest circulation of any other paper? http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,2,00.html In today's issue (8-24-06) there is a cover story regarding a murder from three days ago, and in this cover story the suspects are called "vermin thugs" and "yobs." There has been no trial yet! This kind of stuff runs in the Sun every day, and on Sunday they put out the News of the World, which is even worse. Great Britain is the capital of tabloid journalism, and the tabloids are all about "trial by media." So what is this guy talking about?

You're right on Deerhound! Great Britain runs that kind of thing all the time. Just another reason to feel uncomfortable about Tracey and this entire Karr thing, which I so hoped was going to be the answer to this sad situation.

[athy]

i watched Larry King interview that Tracey guy last night.....was it just me or did the guy say nothing except a lot of mumbling about how much he wasn't going to talk about it.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by athy
i watched Larry King interview that Tracey guy last night.....was it just me or did the guy say nothing except a lot of mumbling about how much he wasn't going to talk about it. He was pathetic, imo. King failed to ask the hard questions, such as how many other wrong suspects has he fingered and how much money has he made off of this little, murdered girl.

[Claudia]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
He was pathetic, imo. King failed to ask the hard questions, such as how many other wrong suspects has he fingered and how much money has he made off of this little, murdered girl.



:cuss: ARGH - i missed it! i really would have liked to have seen that one!

[LI_Mom]

I would have watched if I knew he was on but it doesn't sound like I missed anything. lol

I guess Tracey was only looking for some publicity for his upcoming book about his favorite topic... JB's murder.

[athy]

i had turned the tv up because i couldn't understand except for every other word he was saying and even then it was hard. about the only words i could understand him saying was that see he wasn't going to talk about that. then why was he on it? (except for publicity)

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
King failed to ask the hard questions

Gee, what a shock. :D

King never asks the hard questions, he's basically a tabloid show. Fun to watch but pretty worthless as far as accuracy or true insight.

[Cavalier]

I believe the Tracy interview was a re-airing of the interview Larry did earlier in the week. Sunday's show was a compilation of interviews, clips, etc. from highlights of JBR news of this past week.

Yes the Tracy interview was a yawn fest. A bunch of, I'm not talking about that, blah, blah, blah.....

[Claudia]

Originally posted by Cavalier
I believe the Tracy interview was a re-airing of the interview Larry did earlier in the week. Sunday's show was a compilation of interviews, clips, etc. from highlights of JBR news of this past week.

Yes the Tracy interview was a yawn fest. A bunch of, I'm not talking about that, blah, blah, blah.....



....or maybe i wouldn't have liked to have seen it :D

[athy]

i turned it off before it was over, i will admit i didn't watch the whole thing....most of it, but not all. got tired of trying to listen to his mumbling about nothing.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Claudia




:cuss: ARGH - i missed it! i really would have liked to have seen that one! Here ya go, the transcript from last night's show:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/27/lkl.01.html

[Lynne]

Originally posted by Claudia




:cuss: ARGH - i missed it! i really would have liked to have seen that one!

Well, Claudia, it's too late to see LK 's interview with Tracy, but you can read the transcript!

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/27/lkl.01.html

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
He was pathetic, imo. King failed to ask the hard questions, such as how many other wrong suspects has he fingered and how much money has he made off of this little, murdered girl.


Parasite.

[Claudia]

thank you very much, regina & lynne!!!

:seeya:

[kathryn]

Originally posted by athy
i watched Larry King interview that Tracey guy last night.....was it just me or did the guy say nothing except a lot of mumbling about how much he wasn't going to talk about it.

Tracey mumbling so much I had to use closed-caption.

Pompous and annoying.

:seeya:

[Jan Powell]

Didn't Tracy say early on in the interview that he had told LK's producer he couldn't talk about evidence? I'm not sure why he came on or why they wanted him.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
Didn't Tracy say early on in the interview that he had told LK's producer he couldn't talk about evidence? I'm not sure why he came on or why they wanted him.

It's all boils down to one thing only.... monetary gain.

[cantaloupe]

I read most of the emails, but no longer have access to them since they removed them from the website. DO you have them downloaded? Since you're quoting them, I just wondered, and if so, would you be willing to share.

I found them evidence of a highly disturbed mind. There is no question in my mind that he believes he was "there," whether he really was or not. I too wonder if he knows more than we realize.

[hohum]

Originally posted by kathryn


Tracey mumbling so much I had to use closed-caption.

Pompous and annoying.

:seeya:

I agree, a translator would have been helpful. Sounded like he had a mouth full of marbles. :lol: