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Lynn Gweeny
08-16-2006, 07:15 PM
Here is the link to all the archived articles, documents, videos, interviews, etc. from CTV's coverage of the Jonbenet Ramsey Murder:

LINK (http://www.courttv.com/news/ramsey/)

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EDITED BY CW TO ADD;

fight4right
Member


Here is a site that has more information than you can imagine compiled on this case:

http://www.acandyrose.com/

Deepwater
08-16-2006, 09:00 PM
Here is the story that is at the top of google.

All About JonBenet Ramsey

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html

Angelina
08-16-2006, 11:35 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/16/48hours/main661569.shtml

Postergeist
08-17-2006, 08:27 AM
Here's a link about the case

http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

(not real familiar with it but does have a list of all the different books written about the case)

Postergeist
08-17-2006, 02:14 PM
Links about new books to be published on the case

from the female officer on the scene, Linda Arndt

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4807014,00.html

from the CU professor, Michael Tracey (that had email correspondence from Karr)

http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php

Michael Tracey is also mentioned in this article "Getting Away With Murder"

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1803742,00.html

Lynn Gweeny
08-17-2006, 04:57 PM
Former Kilby student says she was reason for Karr's early departure from internship (http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/BREAKING/60817005)

memouse
08-17-2006, 05:26 PM
More links from Florence, Alabama, where Karr was a university student: JonBenet Ramsey suspect's northwest Alabama past (http://timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/BREAKING/60817004) Man arrested in Ramsey slaying was UNA student (http://timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/NEWS/608170324/1011)

tarabull
08-17-2006, 08:48 PM
Timeline of John Mark Karr (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-jonbenet-ramsey-karr-timeline,1,5645521.story?page=1&coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines)

BANGKOK, Thailand -- John Mark Karr, a former American school teacher who is a suspect in the 1996 death of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, is believed to have traveled extensively in the United States, Europe, Latin America and Asia in recent years:


Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times

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msgatorslayer
08-17-2006, 10:45 PM
Press conference 8/17/06

http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/pr2.htm

Postergeist
08-18-2006, 03:55 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208907,00.html

(transcript with also link to video) {I noticed that Nate's dialect is different than John's imo)

Postergeist
08-18-2006, 04:03 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/17/lkl.01.html

memouse
08-18-2006, 06:58 AM
Some helpful timeline information in this latest story from the Times Daily in Northwest Alabama (http://timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060818/NEWS/608180335/1011).

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 09:38 AM
Psychic Dorothy Allison provided the Ramsey family with a sketch of the man she believed killed JonBenet. In the article, the sketch is shown next to the suspect, John Karr. The 1998 sketch was published on the Ramsey family Web site.

Dead Psychic's Sketch Of JonBenet Killer Revisited (http://www.wral.com/news/9695462/detail.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 11:13 AM
Statement Analysis by Mark McClish ~ JonBenet Ramsey Ransom Note (http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/)

An update August 17, 2006 is at the bottom of the page.

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 11:25 AM
Is this a break in the case of just a hoax?.........the Media Frenzy begins according to this article:

Story's lurid pull redefined media frenzy (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4199191#)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 11:36 AM
Here are 2 timelines.

Timeline for John Mark Karr, 1964-2006 (http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/content/shared/news/stories/JONBENET_TIMELINE_0818_COX.html)

Timeline for John Mark Karr, 1996-2006 (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0818JonBenet-Ramsey-Timeline-ON.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 11:40 AM
Here are 3 timelines, with some information overlapping.

Timeline for John Mark Karr, 1964-2006 (http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/content/shared/news/stories/JONBENET_TIMELINE_0818_COX.html)

Timeline for John Mark Karr, 1996-2006 (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0818JonBenet-Ramsey-Timeline-ON.html)

Timeline of John Mark Karr (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6022694,00.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 12:24 PM
Click on the Recent Activity link on the right side of the page for updates.

JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia (http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/)

SLOTOWN
08-18-2006, 02:45 PM
found in thread deserves more prminent link (http://www.kron.com/Global/category.asp?C=8554&nav=menu130_1)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 04:11 PM
Karr's confession aside, conviction hinges on forensics (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926252,00.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-18-2006, 06:25 PM
An Australian teacher living in Bangkok has told how he spent an unsettling afternoon with John Karr prior to his arrest for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

Aussie's interview with evil (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20172807-5001021,00.html)

Belly Button
08-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Crimerant (http://www.crimerant.com/) has articles about true crime and several about wackjob, John Karr who claims to have killed JBR.

wadahoot
08-18-2006, 09:08 PM
Here are 2 useful links I found while trying to get back up-to-speed on the case.

Family/Friends/Acquaintances (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer1_fam.html)

Ramsey House Floor Plan (http://hellpainter.tripod.com/jbr/floors.htm)

reprise
08-18-2006, 11:50 PM
On Wednesday, Sonoma court records show, a California Superior Court judge granted prosecutors' request to seal the police reports that had led to Karr's arrest on the child pornography charges.

From a Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081801412.html) report indicating that some mention of the JonBenet case exists in connection with his child pornography charges.

This is getting odder by the minute.

Postergeist
08-19-2006, 04:13 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html

<snip> At another point, Tracey wrote, "You told me once that your mother tended to raise you as a girl. This must have had a powerful effect on your developing sexuality - confusion maybe?"

Karr responded: "Michael, I will not discuss my sexuality as if it is a psychological disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. In my case, I disagree with that totally, and if this is to be the way we progress in discussing it, I might as well stop while I am ahead. <snipped>

Postergeist
08-20-2006, 06:00 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003211839_tracey20.html

Postergeist
08-20-2006, 07:04 AM
Ramsey Archive

http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/ramsey96.asp

rrsafety
08-20-2006, 07:49 AM
Lots of good articles about the case here.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Sources%20Used%20at%20This%20Site

I particularly recommend this one from Brill's Content regarding the media (http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID35/77.html)

Postergeist
08-20-2006, 09:40 AM
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/index_old.html

Not Telling
08-22-2006, 12:29 AM
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/

Amistaree
08-22-2006, 03:19 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/

Postergeist
08-23-2006, 09:42 AM
The video shows Karr joking with his young son, saying "Come here ... Don't make me have to lower you down into that well again. You ain't going to like that no more."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9713849/detail.html

hohum
08-23-2006, 08:47 PM
http://www.patsyramseyfoundation.org/

All painted in May and June 2006.

Lynn Gweeny
08-24-2006, 11:21 AM
An article about the lawyers Karr chose to represent him.

Karr Makes Odd Choice With San Jose Lawyers (http://www.ktvu.com/news/9727857/detail.html) {ktvu.com}

Karr's South Bay Attorney Defends Own Record (http://www.nbc11.com/news/9729494/detail.html) {nbc11.com}

Lynn Gweeny
08-24-2006, 11:27 AM
Harmon and Associates ~ website for Karr's attorneys (http://www.harmonlegal.com/our_staff.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-24-2006, 11:33 AM
S.J. attorney's legal guidance draws rebukes from judges (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/stolenjustice/13694499.htm)

Destini
08-24-2006, 05:25 PM
An official with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said Karr also was suspected in a string of sex crimes in Southern states near his former homes in Alabama and Georgia.


http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/NEWS/608170304/1033/NEWS01

snuffy
08-24-2006, 07:48 PM
Prosecutors: Karr Investigation 'In Very Early Stages'

POSTED: 4:25 am MDT August 24, 2006
UPDATED: 5:33 pm MDT August 24, 2006

"Karr was then driven to the Boulder Justice Center and arrived at 5:28 p.m. Dozens of photographers awaited Karr's arrival at the Boulder Justice Center.

A news conference will be held in front of the Justice Center Thursday evening."

www.thedenverchannel.com (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9728708/detail.html)

Lynn Gweeny
08-24-2006, 08:31 PM
Attorneys battle over representing Karr (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4139678.html) houston chronicle.com

Lynn Gweeny
08-25-2006, 09:57 AM
http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/news/ci_4235763

Lynn Gweeny
08-25-2006, 11:26 AM
COLORADO ~ Court Scheduling/Documents (http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1167&top=132)

TIAZ
08-25-2006, 01:14 PM
Dateline Alabama (http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/DATELINE09/60819007&SearchID=73254847061851)

angelskye
08-26-2006, 08:00 AM
Judge issues gag order for those involved in Karr case

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/nation/15367630.htm

Lynn Gweeny
08-26-2006, 10:28 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501376.html

Lynn Gweeny
08-26-2006, 10:34 AM
Source says alibi was another unknown

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4946971,00.html

Lynn Gweeny
08-26-2006, 10:41 AM
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4946973,00.html

Lynn Gweeny
08-26-2006, 10:48 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4946895,00.html

Lynn Gweeny
08-26-2006, 10:50 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4946877,00.html

anais2005
08-27-2006, 11:05 AM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1222027.ece

PD comments

Bosox27
08-27-2006, 08:58 PM
Here's the testimony from the new witness that has just come forward. I think he made this website years ago. I had seen it before and wondered when or if the police were going to let the public know about him. ON CNN he said that he told police all of this YEARS ago and he showed a letter they wrote back to him.
Sure sounds like Karr.




http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/Christmas96.htm

CalifMermaid
08-28-2006, 10:08 AM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/accent/epaper/2006/08/27/a1d_kreepy_0827.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=2

Ruvegan
08-28-2006, 04:13 PM
I was reading the Denver Post online and there was a story about people profiting off the JonBenet Ramsey case.
They showed that on eBay there was a toy car for sale with pictures of John Mark Karr on it.
The opening bid was 100.00!!
I went to eBay and looked for myself and it was the most tasteless thing I had ever seen.
The subtitle actually said "Ka-Chow!!"
What made it more disturbing was that 900 people had viewed it!
At least no one has bid on it yet.:flamemad: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270022606701

Lynn Gweeny
08-28-2006, 06:00 PM
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/download/2006/0828/9750803.pdf

aproudmom
08-29-2006, 09:46 AM
This is a link to the deposition of Steve T. Who was the lead detective...I found alot of things that really surprised me. This man convicted this family and refussed to look into other leads.
I encourage anyone that wants to know were alot of the lies started to read this. It cleared alot of things up for me.....

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/09212001Depo-SteveThomas.htm

reprise
09-01-2006, 04:15 AM
Large .pdf, I'm afraid.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/pdf/johnkarr.pdf

girlinterrupted
09-01-2006, 05:38 AM
Good article... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/9/prweb431319.htm

Lynn Gweeny
09-01-2006, 02:20 PM
This index contains all the articles in the archive, arranged by the date they were published in the Daily Camera. Note that many articles contained more news than just what was in the headline. Each article is listed only once.

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/headlines/index96.html

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/ (up to 2006)

sweetcharlotte
09-13-2006, 09:44 AM
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?id=13086842&ps=1011&lang=en&_LT=HOME_USNWC01L1_UNEWS

sweetcharlotte
10-10-2006, 05:34 AM
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail03.asp?ID=28

sweetcharlotte
10-12-2006, 08:48 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0004/14/lkl.00.html

sweetcharlotte
10-12-2006, 09:30 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0105/28/lkl.00.html

sweetcharlotte
10-12-2006, 01:57 PM
http://www.acandyrose.com/timeline-transcripts1996.htm

sweetcharlotte
10-15-2006, 08:07 PM
http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes21-30.htm

sweetcharlotte
10-17-2006, 05:59 PM
following Karr's appearance on LKL - guests Lawrence Kobilinsky, Dr. Berlin & Lisa Bloom comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/16/acd.01.html

sweetcharlotte
10-17-2006, 06:04 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/16/lkl.01.html

sweetcharlotte
10-18-2006, 08:05 AM
Keith Ablow guest

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/17/lkl.01.html

sweetcharlotte
10-20-2006, 06:46 PM
10/20/06

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?id=13180505&ps=1011&cat=&cps=0&lang=en

sweetcharlotte
10-30-2006, 10:28 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/11/lkl.00.html

sweetcharlotte
11-03-2006, 03:52 PM
Wendy - IMO - totally out of line.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/21/pzn.01.html

sweetcharlotte
11-09-2006, 09:38 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0211/23/lklw.00.html

sweetcharlotte
11-09-2006, 09:45 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/11/lkl.00.html

sweetcharlotte
11-25-2006, 12:23 PM
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1475842&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Zoey
11-25-2006, 01:25 PM
John Mark Karr still a suspect


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231921,00.html

sweetcharlotte
11-25-2006, 11:28 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/48hours/main3410.shtml

sweetcharlotte
11-26-2006, 08:30 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/22/48hours/main2205636.shtml

sweetcharlotte
11-29-2006, 08:45 PM
Guests Steve Thomas, Alex Hunter, Alan Dershowitz, and Ben Thomspon - Discussion on no arrest in case

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0005/04/lkl.00.html

sweetcharlotte
12-21-2006, 08:38 AM
10th Anniversary of JonBenet's Death.......

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/20/lkl.01.html

sweetcharlotte
12-21-2006, 08:57 AM
I still wonder about JMK...........

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061220/NEWS/612200331/1007

andU
12-21-2006, 10:04 AM
10th Anniversary of JonBenet's Death.......

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/20/lkl.01.html

Thanks for posting this, Sweet, I missed the program .... thank God for our freedom to Believe!

sweetcharlotte
12-23-2006, 05:23 PM
Nothing spectacular - just comments re: case - ten years later

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=1011&id=13331729&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCL1_UNEWS

sweetcharlotte
12-24-2006, 08:16 AM
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-268706-p-4.html

I can't find this on the main menu so I'm posting here. This archived thread has lots of excellent links.

sweetcharlotte
01-14-2007, 08:19 AM
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/ramseycase/9727904/detail.html

sweetcharlotte
01-24-2007, 09:04 AM
W/Wood - following Patsy's death.

Also, includes video tape (text) from Ramsey/Thomas May 2000 appearance on LKL.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/30/lkl.01.html

sweetcharlotte
01-27-2007, 09:09 AM
After 10 Years, Ramsey Case Still Stumps Experts

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/29/arts/television/29rams.html?ex=1309233600&en=8930a181dc7a7b05&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

sweetcharlotte
06-09-2007, 03:39 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5576688,00.html

Louisadelmar
06-26-2007, 07:54 PM
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/08/did-santa-claus-kill-jonbenet.html

Santa Bill says "I know I didn't do it.". Patsy said something similar and it got jumped all over for it.

Louisadelmar
07-05-2007, 04:48 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0005/24/se.02.html


Special Event
Experts Say Ramseys Passed Lie Detector Tests
Aired May 24, 2000 - 1:01 p.m. ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, CNN ANCHOR: We now go to Atlanta, Georgia where Ramsey attorney Lynn Wood is holding a press conference. Let's listen:

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
[...]

sweetcharlotte
07-07-2007, 02:08 PM
from CTV.......

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=302985

Athena
08-03-2007, 11:48 PM
Beckner's interview re: lead detective:

11 Q In October of '97, you took on
12 responsibility for managing the personnel who were
13 handling the case, Tom Wickman being in charge of the
14 detectives handling the Ramsey case and Tom Trujillo
15 being the lead detective?
16 A And coordinating the investigation.
17 Q And your job to coordinate the
18 investigation?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Right. And so when you took on the more
21 expanded role in March of 1998, that hierarchy as
22 such did not change, Wickman still was in charge
23 responding to you?
24 A (Deponent nods head.)
25 Q You were managing the detectives?

23
1 A Correct.
2 Q And coordinating the investigation?
3 A Correct.
4 Q Trujillo remained the lead detective?
5 A Correct.
6 Q Did Steve Thomas ever have the role of
7 lead detective in the Ramsey investigation?
8 A Not under my command, no.
9 Q Do you know whether prior to your taking
10 on the case in October of '97 Mr. Thomas ever had
11 been given the role of lead detective?
12 A I have been told no.

Athena
08-05-2007, 03:26 PM
Archived board:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/f-305.html

Evening2
08-15-2007, 12:45 AM
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Honestly I believe too much is being made as to the "instant" that JBR found/saw JBR.

Put yourself in his shoes -- what do you think you would remember? He doesn't even remember turning on the light, yet in FW's depo -- Fleet White said JR did turn on the light. What JR is going to remember or any other normal human being is walking into that room and the precise moment he found his dead daughter which will forever be ingrained in his mind. He is not going to remember whether he took a step left, right or sideways. According to the floorplan however and the spot that JBRs body was in he would have had to look to the left and he would have had to walk INTO the room to turn the light switch on.

When FW was down there earlier, he says the room was dark, he couldn't find the light switch and left. It doesn't even appear he actually walked into the room but only opened the door:

10 Although referred to as the "wine cellar," the room was actually used for storage and was "a dark, dirty area" with mold growing on the floor. (F. White Dep. at 228.)
Page 12

& 154.) Under the broken window, Mr. White states there was a suitcase, along with a broken shard of glass. (SMF 27; PSMF 27; White Dep. at 28-29, 156-59, & 265.) He does not, however, remember whether the window was opened or closed. 11 ( SMF 28 ; PSMF 28; White Dep. at 153.) Mr. White also opened the door to the wine cellar room, but he could not see anything inside because it was dark and he could not find the light switch. ( SMF 29 ; PSMF 29; White Dep. at 159-61.)


The men next searched a shower stall located in the basement. {SMF 34; PSMF 34.} Mr. Ramsey then noticed a heavy fireplace grate propped in front of a closet and Mr. White moved the grate so the closet could be searched. (SMF 35: PSMF 35.) Upon finding nothing unusual in the closet, the men proceeded to the wine cellar room. Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenet's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF 36, 37: PSMF 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena
Honestly I believe too much is being made as to the "instant" that JBR found/saw JBR.

Put yourself in his shoes -- what do you think you would remember? He doesn't even remember turning on the light, yet in FW's depo -- Fleet White said JR did turn on the light. What JR is going to remember or any other normal human being is walking into that room and the precise moment he found his dead daughter which will forever be ingrained in his mind. He is not going to remember whether he took a step left, right or sideways. According to the floorplan however and the spot that JBRs body was in he would have had to look to the left and he would have had to walk INTO the room to turn the light switch on.

When FW was down there earlier, he says the room was dark, he couldn't find the light switch and left. It doesn't even appear he actually walked into the room but only opened the door:

10 Although referred to as the "wine cellar," the room was actually used for storage and was "a dark, dirty area" with mold growing on the floor. (F. White Dep. at 228.)
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& 154.) Under the broken window, Mr. White states there was a suitcase, along with a broken shard of glass. (SMF 27; PSMF 27; White Dep. at 28-29, 156-59, & 265.) He does not, however, remember whether the window was opened or closed. 11 ( SMF 28 ; PSMF 28; White Dep. at 153.) Mr. White also opened the door to the wine cellar room, but he could not see anything inside because it was dark and he could not find the light switch. ( SMF 29 ; PSMF 29; White Dep. at 159-61.)


The men next searched a shower stall located in the basement. {SMF 34; PSMF 34.} Mr. Ramsey then noticed a heavy fireplace grate propped in front of a closet and Mr. White moved the grate so the closet could be searched. (SMF 35: PSMF 35.) Upon finding nothing unusual in the closet, the men proceeded to the wine cellar room. Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenet's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF 36, 37: PSMF 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)


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The big deal is how E2 is trying to explain why JR saw JB and FW did not.
I stand by my proof that JR saw her immediately and yes, that does mean before he stepped into the room or turned on the light. He had stated this twice in two different interviews. It does make a difference because there is something wrong with this scenerio. Two men, standing in approximately the same place, lights on in the basement but no other light because the door was at the end of a hallway with no windows...one sees nothing and the other "immediately" sees the white blanket. No. I don't believe it.
I totally believe that JR turned on the light at some point, though. Otherwise how would he have been able to see that her lips were blue? IMO

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The light was on BEFORE he saw JBR. JR says he doesn't remember -- FW said JR turned on the light - THE LIGHT WAS ON. Step back for a second of what you believe TWW just because JR said it. He doesn't remember anything except finding JBR's body and at that MOMENT; but not the minute details of leading up to that moment.

When FW went down there earlier it was 6AM - dark outside -- the lights were on in the basement but did not shed light in that windowless room nor did FW ENTER the room; he just opened the door which is why I posted his depo.

Oh well.... goodnight all!
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Eagle1
10-14-2007, 04:30 AM
Psychic Dorothy Allison provided the Ramsey family with a sketch of the man she believed killed JonBenet. In the article, the sketch is shown next to the suspect, John Karr. The 1998 sketch was published on the Ramsey family Web site.

Dead Psychic's Sketch Of JonBenet Killer Revisited (http://www.wral.com/news/9695462/detail.html)


Anyone able to give us a current link to these pictures? They may be available at more than one place.

JuneKleever
10-14-2007, 11:36 AM
Anyone able to give us a current link to these pictures? They may be available at more than one place.

The person who drew the sketch was Dorothy Allison, referred to as a
psychic sleuth, died in 1999. The link below is a side by side comparison of
the sketch to the the recent suspect.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9695462/detail.html