DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
My desk is a little messy. Maybe someone will show me the way.

MOO

i doubt it, not as long as you're in Holland. :D

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Unperson1984



This is the most xenophobic post I’ve ever read.

Nope not even close. but you tried and that must count for something.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by No Nic



oops, meant to edit, not quote....please forgive me. :(

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
You believe Joran is Aruban?

Yeah I figured one of you would get stuck on that, but since he lives there and went to school there I summed him up as aurban.

lol ;)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I apologize if you thought I was shouting. I tend to capitalize when I want to emphasize certain words.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion of what I think. "Entitlement" is not something I'm seeking here, feelings. I wasn't aware I was portraying any "attitude".

Like I said .... just because your opinion might be different than mine .... it doesn't necessarily make you right.

JMO special thank you (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/BenefitForNatalee.pdf)

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


Loyalty,
There are 2 sides that are differing one aruban, one american.
The facts as we know them are simple.
Natalee ( american) went into a bar.
At some point she left with 3 arubans.
we don't know the circumstances of her leaving with them.
could be she wanted to
could be they bs'd her into thinking they were merely going to the hotel where they all were staying or so she was lead to believe.
could be they drugged her drink and she had no idea what was happening.
The next fact:
the 3 arubans return.
Natalee never does
The 3 arubans lie about their alibi and about other people, multiple times.
We know 2 innocent men were jailed because of this.
I'm going to err on the side of the American.

Heyes .... I just want to be sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that, because Beth is an American, you feel I should show some kind of "loyalty" to her .... which is what feelings apparently thinks ?? I'm a little lost with that premise. Do you really think this has anything to do with "Americans" vs. "foreigners"??

I have my OWN principles, Heyes, which have nothing whatsoever to do with where anyone was born. The fact there is no evidence is what's clear to me. I can't proclaim someone is guilty of a crime, when the Prosecutor has said there's no evidence!!!

JMO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I just want to be sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that, because Beth is an American, you feel I should show some kind of "loyalty" to her .... which is what feelings apparently thinks ?? I'm a little lost with that premise. Do you really think this has anything to do with "Americans" vs. "foreigners"??

I have my OWN principles, Heyes, which have nothing whatsoever to do with where anyone was born. The fact there is no evidence is what's clear to me. I can't proclaim someone is guilty of a crime, when the Prosecutor has said there's no evidence!!!

JMO



DITTO... and I quoted you because I felt it needed to be repeated...;)

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Unperson1984



This is the most xenophobic post I’ve ever read.

Thank you, Un. I think I've landed on another planet, or something. I'm at a LOSS, really, with this kind of thought process.

JMO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I just want to be sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that, because Beth is an American, you feel I should show some kind of "loyalty" to her .... which is what feelings apparently thinks ?? I'm a little lost with that premise. Do you really think this has anything to do with "Americans" vs. "foreigners"??

I have my OWN principles, Heyes, which have nothing whatsoever to do with where anyone was born. The fact there is no evidence is what's clear to me. I can't proclaim someone is guilty of a crime, when the Prosecutor has said there's no evidence!!!

JMO

why do you believe the 3 suspects over a distraught mother?
noone knows anymore facts that she's missing and they lied!

[Heyes]

Hey you guys should be proud of me! See how I have included the kalpoes in my post instead of just "picking" on Joran?

:D

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


why do you believe the 3 suspects over a distraught mother?
noone knows anymore facts that she's missing and they lied! The mother wasn't there.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't know who your "we" is, but my "we" believe it.

imo

WOW No Nic .... I always knew your opinion was different than mine, but I thought it was honestly based on the fact you thought Joran et al were involved somehow in this alleged crime. I really had no idea you based your opinion on ANY xenophobic opinion such as Heyes expressed. But you apparently agree with it.

JMO

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I just want to be sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that, because Beth is an American, you feel I should show some kind of "loyalty" to her .... which is what feelings apparently thinks ?? I'm a little lost with that premise. Do you really think this has anything to do with "Americans" vs. "foreigners"??

I have my OWN principles, Heyes, which have nothing whatsoever to do with where anyone was born. The fact there is no evidence is what's clear to me. I can't proclaim someone is guilty of a crime, when the Prosecutor has said there's no evidence!!!

JMO

That's the way it sounds to me Fairmaiden. Somehow if we don't side with Beth, we're not true Americans.



:)

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW No Nic .... I always knew your opinion was different than mine, but I thought it was honestly based on the fact you thought Joran et al were involved somehow in this alleged crime. I really had no idea you based your opinion on ANY xenophobic opinion such as Heyes expressed. But you apparently agree with it.

JMO


I will turn the other cheek and move on from the insult.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes


Yup, it sure seems that way with alll the free trips and pr their doing. So far the numbers aren't reflecting all their effort!


:patriot:


You don't watch The Price Is Right do you? They give away trips all around the world on that show and other game shows. The Amazing Race gives away a lot too.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


why do you believe the 3 suspects over a distraught mother?
noone knows anymore facts that she's missing and they lied!

You said it, Heyes. No one knows anymore facts other than Natalee is missing and Joran et al lied.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Beth has said outright that Joran et al kidnapped, raped, and probably murdered Natalee. Are you saying I should BELIEVE ((just emphasis, not yelling)) that because she is a distraught American?? I mean .... THINK about that Heyes .... IS that what you're saying.

ONE of the VERY few facts we know of in this case, is the Prosecutor saying there was no evidence of a crime ........ Should I DISCOUNT that fact, just because Beth is a "distraught American"??

JMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by feelings

good question. Maybe they don´t trust the American media. Maybe they think they wouldn´t survive. The media would check their story first, they wouldn´t just believe them and protect them immediately. As soon as the media starts checking, others would find out they talked.

If it´s a bad story, if they were witnesses and suspects at the same time which is likely, they would get in trouble if they talked. Like a bystander who didn´t help. Would someone like that really believe they would get a reward if they talked?


If anyone had information they could have gone to any of the FBI that was on Aruba, voiced their fears and tried to get protection from them. :rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


That's the way it sounds to me Fairmaiden. Somehow if we don't side with Beth, we're not true Americans.



:)


Sounded that way to me to.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes



I will turn the other cheek and move on from the insult.

Heyes .... You can take it any way you want. I agree it was a xenophobic post. What else would you call it?? You are in essense telling me I should agree with an "American" just because she IS American. You are wondering how I could possibly believe 3 foreigners??

You apparently are not interested in one of those few facts. According to the Prosecutor .... no evidence exists.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes



I will turn the other cheek and move on from the insult. Good for you!

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


That's the way it sounds to me Fairmaiden. Somehow if we don't side with Beth, we're not true Americans.



:)

Oooops. You know, Un. I believe you're right!!!

JMO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Oooops. You know, Un. I believe you're right!!!

JMO




Last time I checked my passport was issued by the good old U.S.of A... and I don't agree with Beth... does that make me Un-american :confused:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by dinojen





Last time I checked my passport was issued by the good old U.S.of A... and I don't agree with Beth... does that make me Un-american :confused:

Apparently .... according to some, it SEEMS to, jen. I really am at a loss with that type of thinking.


JMO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW No Nic .... I always knew your opinion was different than mine, but I thought it was honestly based on the fact you thought Joran et al were involved somehow in this alleged crime. I really had no idea you based your opinion on ANY xenophobic opinion such as Heyes expressed. But you apparently agree with it.

JMO

Why do you find it necessary to insist that either Heyes or I are xenophobic? Because he differentiated between and American tourist and Aruban citizens? That is not xenophobic, it is the reality of Natalee's disappearance and the fact that it happened in another country. I do not fear nor hold contempt for foreign people, I would have contempt for any official (American or otherwise) that intentionally did to this family what the Aruban officials have done. It is really quite simple.

imo

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic

<snip>I would have contempt for any official (American or otherwise) that intentionally did to this family what the Aruban officials have done.
<snip>
I would be quite happy to have the government of Aruba, and the people of Aruba do for me what they did for the Twittys.

There are timeas I think you just haven't been paying attention.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Why do you find it necessary to insist that either Heyes or I are xenophobic? Because he differentiated between and American tourist and Aruban citizens? That is not xenophobic, it is the reality of Natalee's disappearance and the fact that it happened in another country. I do not fear nor hold contempt for foreign people, I would have contempt for any official (American or otherwise) that intentionally did to this family what the Aruban officials have done. It is really quite simple.

imo Uh, Heys said we should believe Beth cuz she's an American and not the 3 Arubans cuz they is foreigners.


The Aruban gvt did Beth no harm, if they had, she would have exercised her legal option to protest the investigation and failing that could have pled her case to Congressman Bacchus who was having regular conversations with the Aruban gvt. In addition, Beh rubs elbows with the SOS and could have voiced her concerns there.

But NADA from Beth in any official capacity, her only criticism came on the network news and tabliod TV and was just a daytime drama.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by dinojen





Last time I checked my passport was issued by the good old U.S.of A... and I don't agree with Beth... does that make me Un-american :confused:

You know what? This is not about agreeing or not agreeing with Beth. What she says or does, means nothing to me, whatever it takes for her to get through this, good for her.

BUT what the ALE and ARUBAN OFFICIALS do or say MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME. Or maybe I should say what the Aruban ALE and officials DON'T do or say means everything to me. THAT is what this is all about.........this case could have been SOLVED if not for the Aruban jackals running the investigation.

eta: before you accuse me again of being xenophobic again, look up the definition of jackal, fits the ALE to a "T" .

IMO, MOO, AMOO, etc.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I would be quite happy to have the government of Aruba, and the people of Aruba do for me what they did for the Twittys.

There are timeas I think you just haven't been paying attention.

I would be quite happy with just a 1/8 of the following:


Support in Funding the Search and Rescue Efforts of Ms. Natalee Holloway

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support
• Financial contributions
• Contributions by the hotel industry
• Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty
• A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage
• Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support
• Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return
• Private group searches were held for weeks
• Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00
Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry
The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00
The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00
The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00
Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

Other Contributions

• Numerous private boats for the search
• Use of a submarine as transport for the search teams
• Use of a helicopter
• Transportation for the search teams/members
• Search efforts by the Dutch Marines and the Coast Guard
• Search dogs
• Dutch F-16 planes with approximately 40 highly-trained experts (plus housing and food and beverage for these experts in Curaçao)
• Machinery for the many searches
• Half day off for all civil servants to participate in the search efforts
• Assistance from the Search and Rescue team of Aruba
• Assistance from the Red Cross of Aruba
• Boat/diving equipment (such as tanks, refills) and use of the Pelican Pier for the search operation
• Fire Department devoted several days to draining ponds
• Dutch investigators flown in to interrogate the suspects and review the investigation
• Judges specially flown in from Curaçao
• Restaurant contributions for free meals
• Free rental cars to the family and various search teams
• Various other contributions to the Texas Equusearch

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


You know what? This is not about agreeing or not agreeing with Beth. What she says or does, means nothing to me, whatever it takes for her to get through this, good for her.

BUT what the ALE and ARUBAN OFFICIALS do or say MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME. Or maybe I should say what the Aruban ALE and officials DON'T do or say means everything to me. THAT is what this is all about.........this case could have been SOLVED if not for the Aruban jackals running the investigation.

eta: before you accuse me again of being xenophobic again, look up the definition of jackal, fits the ALE to a "T" .

IMO, MOO, AMOO, etc. Since there is no evidence a crime was committed, the only way the case would have been solved was to railroad J2K.

So you are unhappy that foreigners weren't railroaded by their own government :shrug:

FYI: Dutch and Americans officials were standing right there watchin, how come they haven't expressed any displeasure :shrug:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Uh, Heys said we should believe Beth cuz she's an American and not the 3 Arubans cuz they is foreigners.


The Aruban gvt did Beth no harm, if they had, she would have exercised her legal option to protest the investigation and failing that could have pled her case to Congressman Bacchus who was having regular conversations with the Aruban gvt. In addition, Beh rubs elbows with the SOS and could have voiced her concerns there.

But NADA from Beth in any official capacity, her only criticism came on the network news and tabliod TV and was just a daytime drama.


More of your normal twist and spinning of a post you don't agree with. What Heyes said was:

I'm going to err on the side of the American

I see nowhere in that post that suggests YOU or anyone else believe an American over an Aruban.

What I do see is the "bully/gang (up) mentality is here in full force, so I will do FH20 a favor,be the better person and follow Heyes out the door (for now:tongue: ) . You all have fun.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Apparently .... according to some, it SEEMS to, jen. I really am at a loss with that type of thinking.


JMO All I can say is WOW but that doesn't even come close to covering it.

[feelings]

Originally posted by No Nic


Why do you find it necessary to insist that either Heyes or I are xenophobic? Because he differentiated between and American tourist and Aruban citizens? That is not xenophobic, it is the reality of Natalee's disappearance and the fact that it happened in another country. I do not fear nor hold contempt for foreign people, I would have contempt for any official (American or otherwise) that intentionally did to this family what the Aruban officials have done. It is really quite simple.

imo
xenophobic is a pretty serious allegation, totally inappropriate for this post. Maybe the post was too good, and s/he needed a justification to attack the poster. Maybe it feels better to be angry at someone than to worry. Maybe s/he is afraid to find out more about how foreigners actually work.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic



More of your normal twist and spinning of a post you don't agree with. What Heyes said was:

I'm going to err on the side of the American

I see nowhere in that post that suggests YOU or anyone else believe an American over an Aruban.

What I do see is the "bully/gang (up) mentality is here in full force, so I will do FH20 a favor,be the better person and follow Heyes out the door (for now:tongue: ) . You all have fun.
No one twists quite like you, this post here of yours is proof of that.

wow.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom

No one twists quite like you, this post here of yours is proof of that.

wow.


Then why aren't you "screaming with laughter" lol. :seeya:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic



Then why aren't you "screaming with laughter" lol. :seeya: I'm in total shock at the insinuation that not agreeing with/believing Beth is unAmerican.

*shakes head in disbelief*

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


You know what? This is not about agreeing or not agreeing with Beth. What she says or does, means nothing to me, whatever it takes for her to get through this, good for her.

BUT what the ALE and ARUBAN OFFICIALS do or say MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME. Or maybe I should say what the Aruban ALE and officials DON'T do or say means everything to me. THAT is what this is all about.........this case could have been SOLVED if not for the Aruban jackals running the investigation.

eta: before you accuse me again of being xenophobic again, look up the definition of jackal, fits the ALE to a "T" .

IMO, MOO, AMOO, etc. Why do you hate Arubans so much?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom


I would be quite happy with just a 1/8 of the following:


Support in Funding the Search and Rescue Efforts of Ms. Natalee Holloway

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support
• Financial contributions
• Contributions by the hotel industry
• Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty
• A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage
• Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support
• Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return
• Private group searches were held for weeks
• Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00
Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry
The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00
The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00
The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00
Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

Other Contributions

• Numerous private boats for the search
• Use of a submarine as transport for the search teams
• Use of a helicopter
• Transportation for the search teams/members
• Search efforts by the Dutch Marines and the Coast Guard
• Search dogs
• Dutch F-16 planes with approximately 40 highly-trained experts (plus housing and food and beverage for these experts in Curaçao)
• Machinery for the many searches
• Half day off for all civil servants to participate in the search efforts
• Assistance from the Search and Rescue team of Aruba
• Assistance from the Red Cross of Aruba
• Boat/diving equipment (such as tanks, refills) and use of the Pelican Pier for the search operation
• Fire Department devoted several days to draining ponds
• Dutch investigators flown in to interrogate the suspects and review the investigation
• Judges specially flown in from Curaçao
• Restaurant contributions for free meals
• Free rental cars to the family and various search teams
• Various other contributions to the Texas Equusearch

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm

WOW!

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I'm in total shock at the insinuation that not agreeing with/believing Beth is unAmerican.

*shakes head in disbelief*



I concur.. Rather sounds like another man that once said," You are either with us, or against us" roflmbo

moo

[Unperson1984]

The simple fact is that out of a nation of almost 300 million people, one family is calling a sovereign nation inept and corrupt. An opinion the US Government doesn’t share.

To try and make this a US v Aruba question is ludicrous, the US and Aruba are on the same side in this matter. IMHO

:)

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic


You know what? This is not about agreeing or not agreeing with Beth. What she says or does, means nothing to me, whatever it takes for her to get through this, good for her.

BUT what the ALE and ARUBAN OFFICIALS do or say MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME. Or maybe I should say what the Aruban ALE and officials DON'T do or say means everything to me. THAT is what this is all about.........this case could have been SOLVED if not for the Aruban jackals running the investigation.

eta: before you accuse me again of being xenophobic again, look up the definition of jackal, fits the ALE to a "T" .

IMO, MOO, AMOO, etc.



Well ya know what.. I don't agree with you... so sorry.. I think the government went out of their way to try and help this family... and will defer to a previous post to a poster that I much respect.. just check out the list...not very many people here in our own country would be afforded that.. just ask many parents of murdered children.. I don't for the life of me see where Beth Holloway is any different than any other parent of a missing child.

Aruba.. though you may not agree with their system or how they handled the case have done everything possible for this family until things turned ugly.. and I won't get into that.. that's a whole different story..

I side with Aruba... if there was enough evidence to charge anyone in this case they would of been charged... obviously there wasn't...

But you see it differently.. which is fine.. but don't jump on other peoples @@@@@ for not agreeing with you...

Free speech is a wonderful thing even on this message board...








Why do a feel a post from FH2O coming soon...:rolleyes:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


Why do you find it necessary to insist that either Heyes or I are xenophobic? Because he differentiated between and American tourist and Aruban citizens? That is not xenophobic, it is the reality of Natalee's disappearance and the fact that it happened in another country. I do not fear nor hold contempt for foreign people, I would have contempt for any official (American or otherwise) that intentionally did to this family what the Aruban officials have done. It is really quite simple.

imo

No Nic .... here is Heyes' post ....

Heyes
Member

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: all posts are my own opinionIt
Posts: 949

Loyalty,
There are 2 sides that are differing one aruban, one american.
The facts as we know them are simple.
Natalee ( american) went into a bar.
At some point she left with 3 arubans.
we don't know the circumstances of her leaving with them.
could be she wanted to
could be they bs'd her into thinking they were merely going to the hotel where they all were staying or so she was lead to believe.
could be they drugged her drink and she had no idea what was happening.
The next fact:
the 3 arubans return.
Natalee never does
The 3 arubans lie about their alibi and about other people, multiple times.
We know 2 innocent men were jailed because of this.
I'm going to err on the side of the American.

**********************************************

What Heyes was doing was questioning "loyalty"?? According to her, this is about "2 sides that are differing .... one Aruban and one American". That's not what this is about at all, to me. This is about guilt or innocence. Her last sentence says, she is "going to err on the side of the American".

You made a point of AGREEING with that.

I DO believe that's xenophobic. Somehow the fact that Beth is American is supposed to lend credence to everything she does. Not in MY book it doesn't.

It's YOUR opinion corruption exists. It's YOUR opinion Aruba "intentionally" didn't try to solve this crime. It's not mine.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Luke Davis


WOW!

WOW is right, Luke!!

Quite amazing when you see all of the "help" Beth received listed.

JMO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Aruba went waaaaaaaaaaaay above and beyond the call of duty, and yet they get spat on. IMO



SPAT on... that's putting it mildly.. I would say another word.. and it starts with S toooooooooo....

[cassidy]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW is right, Luke!!

Quite amazing when you see all of the "help" Beth received listed.

JMO

And that list doesn't even include any hospitality extended from the small shop owners or restaurants on the island. Or the people who gave up their time to help physically search. The arubans stepped up to help and got slapped down for their efforts.

IMO

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW is right, Luke!!

Quite amazing when you see all of the "help" Beth received listed.

JMO



.......and yet she continues to make pretensions that she received no help. I think this one of the things, that turned me personally ,off of H/T.moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Aruba went waaaaaaaaaaaay above and beyond the call of duty, and yet they get spat on. IMO


Yes they did. How many American LE dept's would spend 40% of their annual LE budget on one case? I doubt any would unless the missing person was in some position of power. Ooops nix that. Ray Gricar was an asst DA and didn't get that much spent looking for him.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by feelings

xenophobic is a pretty serious allegation, totally inappropriate for this post. Maybe the post was too good, and s/he needed a justification to attack the poster. Maybe it feels better to be angry at someone than to worry. Maybe s/he is afraid to find out more about how foreigners actually work.

Could you elaborate on your last sentence please??

TIA

JMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by court~critic1®




.......and yet she continues to make pretensions that she received no help. I think this one of the things, that turned me personally ,off of H/T.moo



That's what turned me around. Her thanking the Arubans early on for all of their help then turning around and demanding a boycott that would hurt those same people.


Unfreakingbelievable.

[dinojen]

Couldn't agree more with the last few posts... I can think of a few parents right here in the states that wished they would of received that much help... oh that's right their stories were overlooked because the cable networks were too busy with the Holloway story... I forgot...:rolleyes:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by dinojen
Couldn't agree more with the last few posts... I can think of a few parents right here in the states that wished they would of received that much help... oh that's right their stories were overlooked because the cable networks were too busy with the Holloway story... I forgot...:rolleyes:

You BET, jen!!!

JMO

[feelings]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW is right, Luke!!

Quite amazing when you see all of the "help" Beth received listed.

JMO
imo a waste of space to copy so much. The link would have been more than enough. The recipe of this fruitless show has been posted many times before.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen
Couldn't agree more with the last few posts... I can think of a few parents right here in the states that wished they would of received that much help... oh that's right their stories were overlooked because the cable networks were too busy with the Holloway story... I forgot...:rolleyes:


Latoyia Figueroa's case got very little media coverage while Natalee was getting nightly coverage. I guess there is nothing like diverting attention from all of the missing/murdered right here in America by focusing on the ONE missing in a foreign country.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by feelings

imo a waste of space to copy so much. The link would have been more than enough. The recipe of this fruitless show has been posted many times before.

What do you mean?

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by Watership Down




That's what turned me around. Her thanking the Arubans early on for all of their help then turning around and demanding a boycott that would hurt those same people.


Unfreakingbelievable.


Have you heard her thank the teachers that gave of their off time to her??? I sure haven't. Is it true that she is going back to teaching this fall?? Or have you heard? TIA

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by court~critic1®



Have you heard her thank the teachers that gave of their off time to her??? I sure haven't. Is it true that she is going back to teaching this fall?? Or have you heard? TIA


I have never heard her thank those teachers. And no I haven't heard she is going back to teaching. Could it be the speeches aren't the huge success they were made out to be?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by feelings

imo a waste of space to copy so much. The link would have been more than enough. The recipe of this fruitless show has been posted many times before.



Fruitless show... are you saying what the people of Aruba did was meaningless...????

Or do you tire of just seeing how much they really did do for this family... again.. just asking?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by feelings

imo a waste of space to copy so much. The link would have been more than enough. The recipe of this fruitless show has been posted many times before.

Excuse me .... I quoted Luke's post .... WOW !!

That's ALL I copied .... :confused:

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


WOW is right, Luke!!

Quite amazing when you see all of the "help" Beth received listed.

JMO I don't know if anyone keeps records but I have never seen so much donated for one missing person.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Excuse me .... I quoted Luke's post .... WOW !!

That's ALL I copied .... :confused:

JMO


Anything posted by anyone who supports Joran's side of the case is a waste of space or meaningless to some on here. They want nothing but posts that praise Beth and Natalee and, to borrow TO's word, spit on ALE and anything Aruban.

[feelings]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Excuse me .... I quoted Luke's post .... WOW !!

That's ALL I copied .... :confused:

JMO
Excuse me .... you were just one of a few that acted as if it was WOW that someone copied this recipe from another site. What´s great about wasting so much space?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by court~critic1®



Have you heard her thank the teachers that gave of their off time to her??? I sure haven't. Is it true that she is going back to teaching this fall?? Or have you heard? TIA



Oh please... are you serious... thank anyone.. kind of like the apology that she gave to the people of Aruba..

It was expected.. IMO....

She owes those fellow teachers alot if you ask me...what if something happened to one of their loved ones.. hopefully the same teachers would step up again for them.. but we know that wouldn't include Beth because she has nothing to donate..

But that's not saying she didn't tell them thank you.. maybe she wrote them a note.. ya think???

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have never heard her thank those teachers. And no I haven't heard she is going back to teaching. Could it be the speeches aren't the huge success they were made out to be?




IMOHOO I can only hope that they are a dud, big time. Such a waste of taxpayers monies.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by feelings

imo a waste of space to copy so much. The link would have been more than enough. The recipe of this fruitless show has been posted many times before. Interesting the Arubans give so much and get complaints becayse it is a waste of space. sigh

MOO

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have never heard her thank those teachers. And no I haven't heard she is going back to teaching. Could it be the speeches aren't the huge success they were made out to be?

In all fairness, she could have thanked the teachers in private. What I have never heard, in all of the shows she has been on over the past 15 months, is Mrs Twitty thanking the general public for sending in donations. A simple "thanks to all of you we funded a (fill in the blank) search for Natalee that would not have been possible without your help". :shrug:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


It makes me wonder if Beth was one of those spoiled kids growing up, use to getting whatever she wants .....yesterday. JMO


Personally I can see it. The way she said certain things lie "they need to give me my daughter" and "they need to give me answers"(both para) tells me she expects her way always.

[dinojen]

Must be a east coast thing.. because there is no mention of Beth Holloway Twitty at all on the West Coast.. (thank god).. but I do recall months ago...I mean months... I was visiting my Mom in Palm Springs.. and there was a Sheriff's convention going on down there.. and she supposedly was going to speak at it..

Now.. let me explain something... when there is a conference in Palm Springs..lol...there are so many functions they have to attend.. the rest of the time is party hardy.. golf, tennis and whatever else they can find time to do... sun and fun and drinking...

That's the only time I have heard Beth's name in regards to discussing her Safety in traveling program...

:shrug:

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by dinojen




Oh please... are you serious... thank anyone.. kind of like the apology that she gave to the people of Aruba..

It was expected.. IMO....

She owes those fellow teachers alot if you ask me...what if something happened to one of their loved ones.. hopefully the same teachers would step up again for them.. but we know that wouldn't include Beth because she has nothing to donate..

But that's not saying she didn't tell them thank you.. maybe she wrote them a note.. ya think???


Guess we can only hope that she at least did that. moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by cassidy


In all fairness, she could have thanked the teachers in private. What I have never heard, in all of the shows she has been on over the past 15 months, is Mrs Twitty thanking the general public for sending in donations. A simple "thanks to all of you we funded a (fill in the blank) search for Natalee that would not have been possible without your help". :shrug:


I know she could have thanked them privately. Thats why I didn't add any commentary to my answer ;)

And I agree with the second part of your post. People usually put a note of thanks on their websites thanking the public but not Beth.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

Excuse me .... you were just one of a few that acted as if it was WOW that someone copied this recipe from another site. What´s great about wasting so much space?

Recipe???

Uh, I think you're on the wrong forum.....

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Me too. I think it's the truth of what we are saying that stings and Not the long post. IMO. If it was a Joran trashing post it wouldn't be an issue. IMO
If Aruba hadnt' done so much it wouldn't be such a looooong post :D

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I know she could have thanked them privately. Thats why I didn't add any commentary to my answer ;)

And I agree with the second part of your post. People usually put a note of thanks on their websites thanking the public but not Beth.

Not trying to give anyone any ideas here but....that's really good PR move too (thanking people). Although at this point it would be a definite afterthought and people would wonder if the idea came from a message board :)

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Recipe???

Uh, I think you're on the wrong forum.....


In feelings defense I don't think CTV has a fishing forum. :tongue:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by cassidy


Not trying to give anyone any ideas here but....that's really good PR move too (thanking people). Although at this point it would be a definite afterthought and people would wonder if the idea came from a message board :)


I wouldn't be surprised to see a "thank you" show up in the near future. :tongue:

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by cassidy


In all fairness, she could have thanked the teachers in private. What I have never heard, in all of the shows she has been on over the past 15 months, is Mrs Twitty thanking the general public for sending in donations. A simple "thanks to all of you we funded a (fill in the blank) search for Natalee that would not have been possible without your help". :shrug:



I don't think she ever will. Only because I don't believe it is in her vocabulary.moo

[dinojen]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


I bet the writers at Saturday Night Live are just dying to do a Beth Skit or two ......because it would just be so hilarious.:) IMO. " You Know........we Just know" uhhhhhhhh . JMO



I love SNL....but do you really think it would be appropriate!!!!

My uncle use to tease me because I constantly said Ummm when I was a kid.. before teen years... guess some people never out grow it.. Ya know !!!!

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by dinojen




Oh please... are you serious... thank anyone.. kind of like the apology that she gave to the people of Aruba..

It was expected.. IMO....

She owes those fellow teachers alot if you ask me...what if something happened to one of their loved ones.. hopefully the same teachers would step up again for them.. but we know that wouldn't include Beth because she has nothing to donate..

But that's not saying she didn't tell them thank you.. maybe she wrote them a note.. ya think??? I do remember she called the chaperones and thanked them for doing a wonderful job.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by dinojen




Oh please... are you serious... thank anyone.. kind of like the apology that she gave to the people of Aruba..

It was expected.. IMO....

She owes those fellow teachers alot if you ask me...what if something happened to one of their loved ones.. hopefully the same teachers would step up again for them.. but we know that wouldn't include Beth because she has nothing to donate..

But that's not saying she didn't tell them thank you.. maybe she wrote them a note.. ya think??? e-mail?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I do remember she called the chaperones and thanked them for doing a wonderful job.

MOO



WHAT !!!!!!

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by cassidy


In all fairness, she could have thanked the teachers in private. What I have never heard, in all of the shows she has been on over the past 15 months, is Mrs Twitty thanking the general public for sending in donations. A simple "thanks to all of you we funded a (fill in the blank) search for Natalee that would not have been possible without your help". :shrug: The book For Natalee is meant as a thank you to all her supporters. Only $20.

MOO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
e-mail?


Oh for sure... that must of been it... silly me... I forgot about email.. I'm sure she did...;)

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
The book For Natalee is meant as a thank you to all her supporters. Only $20.

MOO


Excuse me.................. you have to pay $20.00 to be thanked.. boy my mom really really raised me wrong.. to think of all those dang thank you notes I wrote at the kitchen table.. and I could of charged money for them... I gotta call my Mom... be right back...:rolleyes:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by dinojen
Must be a east coast thing.. <snip>

:shrug: I thought her goal was to speak in all 50 states.

MOO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I thought her goal was to speak in all 50 states.

MOO


If that's the case.. the only place I have heard of her being is in Palm Springs.. and that was early last year....so ya got me.. she hasn't been to the Bay Area that I know of.... :shrug:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by feelings

Excuse me .... you were just one of a few that acted as if it was WOW that someone copied this recipe from another site. What´s great about wasting so much space?

I thought I made myself clear. I'm impressed with how much was done to help Beth. I think it's quite extraordinary!! I actually think the entire list should be posted once a day .... just to REMIND people of how Arubans extended their help.

JMO

[paralegallin]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
special thank you (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/BenefitForNatalee.pdf)

Ok I would go just because of who organized it and of the stuff that is being auctioned off. I wonder how they got Courtney Cox and her husband to get involved.

moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by dinojen



Excuse me.................. you have to pay $20.00 to be thanked.. boy my mom really really raised me wrong.. to think of all those dang thank you notes I wrote at the kitchen table.. and I could of charged money for them... I gotta call my Mom... be right back...:rolleyes:

I just called my Mom and she said it gauche to charge for a thank-you. So your Mom raised you right! Dang..I thought people owed me a LOT of money too!

[dinojen]

Originally posted by cassidy


I just called my Mom and she said it gauche to charge for a thank-you. So your Mom raised you right! Dang..I thought people owed me a LOT of money too!


LOL... you have no idea how many hours I spent at that darn table rewriting thank you notes... so they were right...

Guess you Mom thought like mine....;)

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by paralegallin


Ok I would go just because of who organized it and of the stuff that is being auctioned off. I wonder how they got Courtney Cox and her husband to get involved.

moo


Courtney Cox is from Mountain Brook I believe. I know she is from Alabama, just not sure about the town.

[ebnrsg1]

I have been extremely disappointed this weekend. It seems that everytime there is a major event in the US something turns up in the Holloway case. Hurricane Katrina brought the release of Joran, The middle east war brought the dismissalof the law suit and the Award to Paulus. The Entwisle coverage was when the lawsuit was filed in New York. I thought when they reported the arrest or detention of the JBR suspect that surely there would be some breaking news in this case.
Oh well the weekend is not over but it has been several days so do not forsee new developments at this late date My opinion

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Does the book look at all the facts? It is a poem and has photos.

And a

MOO:rose: .

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by ebnrsg1
I have been extremely disappointed this weekend. It seems that everytime there is a major event in the US something turns up in the Holloway case. Hurricane Katrina brought the release of Joran, The middle east war brought the dismissalof the law suit and the Award to Paulus. The Entwisle coverage was when the lawsuit was filed in New York. I thought when they reported the arrest or detention of the JBR suspect that surely there would be some breaking news in this case.
Oh well the weekend is not over but it has been several days so do not forsee new developments at this late date My opinion

I think it would need to be a huge event to revive the media's interest at this point.

:)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom


I would be quite happy with just a 1/8 of the following:


Support in Funding the Search and Rescue Efforts of Ms. Natalee Holloway

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support
• Financial contributions
• Contributions by the hotel industry
• Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty
• A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage
• Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support
• Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return
• Private group searches were held for weeks
• Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00
Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry
The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00
The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00
The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00
Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

Other Contributions

• Numerous private boats for the search
• Use of a submarine as transport for the search teams
• Use of a helicopter
• Transportation for the search teams/members
• Search efforts by the Dutch Marines and the Coast Guard
• Search dogs
• Dutch F-16 planes with approximately 40 highly-trained experts (plus housing and food and beverage for these experts in Curaçao)
• Machinery for the many searches
• Half day off for all civil servants to participate in the search efforts
• Assistance from the Search and Rescue team of Aruba
• Assistance from the Red Cross of Aruba
• Boat/diving equipment (such as tanks, refills) and use of the Pelican Pier for the search operation
• Fire Department devoted several days to draining ponds
• Dutch investigators flown in to interrogate the suspects and review the investigation
• Judges specially flown in from Curaçao
• Restaurant contributions for free meals
• Free rental cars to the family and various search teams
• Various other contributions to the Texas Equusearch

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm
I copied this again not to upset feelings, but because this is what I don't understand about Beth. She was there. She saw the effort that was put forth, and the money that was spent, by both the government and the private sector. How can she deny it?

Her words are not the words of a disappointed mother who hasn't found her daughter. They are hurtful, and they are hateful words.

I don't think Beth's words and actions are the words and actions of a grieving mother. They are the words and actions of someone who has an agenda, and the agenda appears to be the complete destruction of an island nation and its people.

What could possibly be the motive for such an agenda?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Courtney Cox is from Mountain Brook I believe. I know she is from Alabama, just not sure about the town. She graduated from the same school.

MOO

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I think it would need to be a huge event to revive the media's interest at this point.

:)
Yes I guess you are right. Only future event of any significance in my opinion would be the Joe T suits but that will not be more than a mention of whom is being sued and then back to the back burner unless he were to win phenomenal amounts. So far I do not think there has even been a snippet anywhere of who might be the major targets if any/

Regarding going back to teach this fall. I was under the impression that Beth had run out of time and had run out of time that the teachers could donate last January and had resigned her position. I am not sure but thought that is what was being bandied about.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by ebnrsg1

Yes I guess you are right. Only future event of any significance in my opinion would be the Joe T suits but that will not be more than a mention of whom is being sued and then back to the back burner unless he were to win phenomenal amounts. So far I do not think there has even been a snippet anywhere of who might be the major targets if any/

Regarding going back to teach this fall. I was under the impression that Beth had run out of time and had run out of time that the teachers could donate last January and had resigned her position. I am not sure but thought that is what was being bandied about.

Since the story is no longer in the news, I doubt the foundation is receiving enough in donations to pay a salary.

I expected the ruling in the civil case would have generated more coverage than it did, the media has moved on. The only two events that may warrant a little coverage will be the closing of the investigation in Aruba and exactly what you said, JoeT filing an action.

:)

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I copied this again not to upset feelings, but because this is what I don't understand about Beth. She was there. She saw the effort that was put forth, and the money that was spent, by both the government and the private sector. How can she deny it?

Her words are not the words of a disappointed mother who hasn't found her daughter. They are hurtful, and they are hateful words.

I don't think Beth's words and actions are the words and actions of a grieving mother. They are the words and actions of someone who has an agenda, and the agenda appears to be the complete destruction of an island nation and its people.

What could possibly be the motive for such an agenda?

Gregor .... I have so often wondered that myself.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I copied this again not to upset feelings, but because this is what I don't understand about Beth. She was there. She saw the effort that was put forth, and the money that was spent, by both the government and the private sector. How can she deny it?

Her words are not the words of a disappointed mother who hasn't found her daughter. They are hurtful, and they are hateful words.

I don't think Beth's words and actions are the words and actions of a grieving mother. They are the words and actions of someone who has an agenda, and the agenda appears to be the complete destruction of an island nation and its people.

What could possibly be the motive for such an agenda?
From the June 13 statement of Deepak:

The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom

From the June 13 statement of Deepak:

The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this.
What has always bothered me was her quote in the Vanity Fair article about her planning her next strike, and Aruba not knowing what hit them.

Really weird.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

What has always bothered me was her quote in the Vanity Fair article about her planning her next strike, and Aruba not knowing what hit them.

Really weird. Oh yes, the Secret Mission in Ohio. :rolleyes:

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by nascarmom

From the June 13 statement of Deepak:

The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this.

That doesn't suprise me, considering she was at Joran's school posting flyers with his name on them within two days. What possible good did she think that would do?

In this country she would have been arrested for posting something with the name of an underage high school student.

:(

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom


I would be quite happy with just a 1/8 of the following:


Support in Funding the Search and Rescue Efforts of Ms. Natalee Holloway

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support
• Financial contributions
• Contributions by the hotel industry
• Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty
• A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage
• Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support
• Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return
• Private group searches were held for weeks
• Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00
Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry
The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00
The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00
The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00
Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

Other Contributions

• Numerous private boats for the search
• Use of a submarine as transport for the search teams
• Use of a helicopter
• Transportation for the search teams/members
• Search efforts by the Dutch Marines and the Coast Guard
• Search dogs
• Dutch F-16 planes with approximately 40 highly-trained experts (plus housing and food and beverage for these experts in Curaçao)
• Machinery for the many searches
• Half day off for all civil servants to participate in the search efforts
• Assistance from the Search and Rescue team of Aruba
• Assistance from the Red Cross of Aruba
• Boat/diving equipment (such as tanks, refills) and use of the Pelican Pier for the search operation
• Fire Department devoted several days to draining ponds
• Dutch investigators flown in to interrogate the suspects and review the investigation
• Judges specially flown in from Curaçao
• Restaurant contributions for free meals
• Free rental cars to the family and various search teams
• Various other contributions to the Texas Equusearch

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm

"Thou shalt not covet."

The Bible

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Thou shalt not covet."

The Bible
"Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness."

Same source.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

"Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness."

Same source.

"Thou Shalt not kill."

The Bible.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

What has always bothered me was her quote in the Vanity Fair article about her planning her next strike, and Aruba not knowing what hit them.

Really weird. Just after the Vanity Fair article some people started asking tougher questions.

Questions (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/26/search/main886284.shtml?searchString=%22beth+twitty%22&source=cbsvideos&sort=1&type=any&num=10&offset=0)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Thou Shalt not kill."

The Bible.
Who was killed?

[nascarmom]

QUESTION: Can you say anything about an American woman, an 18-year-old teen missing in Aruba? She's from Alabama. Her family believes that she's kidnapped. Have there been any discussions with authorities in Aruba or the Dutch Government?


MR. MCCORMACK: What I can share with you is that the Department learned on Tuesday, June 1st, that an American citizen was missing in Aruba. The citizen's name is Natalee Holloway and she was last seen on Monday night, I think, on May 31st. Natalee's family have arrived in Aruba and a consular officer from Curacao is in Aruba at this time and is in contact with the family. And we are making sure that we provide all possible assistance to the family and local authorities and would also note that the FBI is also on hand and cooperating with local authorities in the search effort. And beyond that, I can't really offer anything else, due to Privacy Act considerations.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2005/47215.htm


"It was 36 hours before anyone could find the police," Twitty said.

Twitty said she was shocked at how tough it was to trudge her way through the layers of foreign government to find the authorities who could help her. When you're in a crisis like that, time is of the essence. You have to be able to find those key contacts as quickly as you can," Twitty said.

http://www.nbc13.com/news/9309127/detail.html?rss=bir&psp=news


So.....is she saying her own government wasn't helping her????
:shrug: :confused: :shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Thou shalt not covet."

The Bible

:confused: Covet? :confused:

Please show me the twist necessary to get from 'I would be happy with just 1/8' to 'covet'. .

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom


:confused: Covet? :confused:

Please show me the twist necessary to get from 'I would be happy with just 1/8' to 'covet'. .
So you're nominating her for tonight's Chubby Checker award?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

So you're nominating her for tonight's Chubby Checker award? Would you like to second that nomination?

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Would you like to second that nomination?
Aye.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

So you're nominating her for tonight's Chubby Checker award? Tom Ridge Homeland Security Award (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3213674515846694789&q=%22the+twist%22&hl=en)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Tom Ridge Homeland Security Award (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3213674515846694789&q=%22the+twist%22&hl=en)

I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chambord]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I thought I made myself clear. I'm impressed with how much was done to help Beth. I think it's quite extraordinary!! I actually think the entire list should be posted once a day .... just to REMIND people of how Arubans extended their help.

JMO

There's is another side to the story, as in all stories...read Joe Scarbororo's transcript of 8-11-05. when Jug Twitty responded to Rueben Trappenberg's claim of all of Aruba's comps.




moo

[chambord]

Originally posted by court~critic1®





Ahhh! Thank you Luke. you are a dear. imoo The first one, not real happy, is the only one I have seen. I still haven't seen a tear yet in any of them. She is trying hard I will agree. moo


There are many who would disagree with you, I am one. Those pics show a woman who is bereaved and in deep pain over her missing daughter.


moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord


There's is another side to the story, as in all stories...read Joe Scarbororo's transcript of 8-11-05. when Jug Twitty responded to Rueben Trappenberg's claim of all of Aruba's comps.




moo

Are those transcripts online?

[chambord]

Originally posted by cassidy


In all fairness, she could have thanked the teachers in private. What I have never heard, in all of the shows she has been on over the past 15 months, is Mrs Twitty thanking the general public for sending in donations. A simple "thanks to all of you we funded a (fill in the blank) search for Natalee that would not have been possible without your help". :shrug:


FWIW

Private donations, receive a private note of thanks. I happen to have one for my donation.

As to thanking the teachers that donated their time, why should any thanks by Beth be made public? It was a private exchange between each teacher and Beth and not anything that needed to be made public for messageboard posters.


moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord



FWIW

Private donations, receive a private note of thanks. I happen to have one for my donation.

As to thanking the teachers that donated their time, why should any thanks by Beth be made public? It was a private exchange between each teacher and Beth and not anything that needed to be made public for messageboard posters.


moo

Pretty much what I said about the teachers. As for the other, I still think a public acknowledgement was in order, either through the media or on the donation website.
IMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by chambord


There's is another side to the story, as in all stories...read Joe Scarbororo's transcript of 8-11-05. when Jug Twitty responded to Rueben Trappenberg's claim of all of Aruba's comps.

moo
Since the comps the Twittys received are pretty well documented, Jug simply made a fool of himself disputing them.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Since the comps the Twittys received are pretty well documented, Jug simply made a fool of himself disputing them.



Good point Gregor... besides I try to avoid Joe S. he is very bias in his reporting...so I take what he says with a grain of salt.. unless it's verified information... Can't stand the guy...

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by dinojen




Good point Gregor... besides I try to avoid Joe S. he is very bias in his reporting...so I take what he says with a grain of salt.. unless it's verified information... Can't stand the guy...
I guess there's a reason he's no longer a congressman.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by cassidy


Are those transcripts online? I'm not sure but I think that's the one where Jug says he has bills to prove their cab rides weren't comped! and Beth says Rudy gave a false statement about the FBI being there from day one, guess the June 3rd statement from the Office of the Secy of State and Congressman Bachus's press statement were false also, huh?

[chambord]

Originally posted by nascarmom


************snipped*************

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm [/B]


And which source is this aruba.com? Are they an arm of the Aruban Tourist Bureau, or the Stragetic Task Force Travel Board headed by Steve Cohen? It appears to me, either would, of course, IMO would have an agenda to support Safe Travel to Aruba. Good PR move on their part whoever put this "press release" out.


my opinion

[No Nic]

Originally posted by chambord



And which source is this aruba.com? Are they an arm of the Aruban Tourist Bureau, or the Stragetic Task Force Travel Board headed by Steve Cohen? It appears to me, either would, of course, IMO would have an agenda to support Safe Travel to Aruba. Good PR move on their part whoever put this "press release" out.


my opinion

Not just your opinion, Cham, many others feel the same.

Aruba did not do anything for Bud Larson's family when he went missing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!! And no one was ever the wiser.

The ONLY reason they did anything this time is because of the Beth and the media. No choice if they wanted a chance at saving their image. They FAILED, they will always be known as the island that didn't want to find Natalee Holloway.

Whatever happened to Steve Cohen? Did he too get shut up, shut down and shut out in Aruba like the others when their PR attempts failed?

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Since the comps the Twittys received are pretty well documented, Jug simply made a fool of himself disputing them. But but but he has a credit card bill for some cab rides!!!

ROTFLMAO

It's all just a PR move anyway, like when the cruise line cited high fuel costs as the reason for dropping Aruba.

And when Joran had his pic snapped with the pretty girl.

It's all just a big PR move.

*screams with laughter*

[feelings]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Recipe???

Uh, I think you're on the wrong forum.....
looks like a long recipe to me. Just because they did so much and used so many resources doesn´t mean they deserve a wow or any admiration. A huge waste of time and money and no results is very shameful. Nothing a decent person would ever brag about.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

looks like a long recipe to me. Just because they did so much and used so many resources doesn´t mean they deserve a wow or any admiration. A huge waste of time and money and no results is very shameful. Nothing a decent person would ever brag about.

LMAO

[chambord]

Originally posted by nascarmom
But but but he has a credit card bill for some cab rides!!!

ROTFLMAO

It's all just a PR move anyway, like when the cruise line cited high fuel as the reason for dropping Aruba.

And when Joran had his pic snapped with the pretty girl.

It's all just a big PR move.

*screams with laughter*


***********screaming with laughter************

Credit card bills also reflect hotel fees, according to Jug.

Joran's "pretty girl" , interesting, prior to her visit to Aruba,is named as a character witness in Joe T's filing. Yet another coincidence to this macabre tragedy.


moo

[chambord]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not just your opinion, Cham, many others feel the same.

Aruba did not do anything for Bud Larson's family when he went missing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!! And no one was ever the wiser.

The ONLY reason they did anything this time is because of the Beth and the media. No choice if they wanted a chance at saving their image. They FAILED, they will always be known as the island that didn't want to find Natalee Holloway.

Whatever happened to Steve Cohen? Did he too get shut up, shut down and shut out in Aruba like the others when their PR attempts failed?

IMO


I heard Steve Cohen could be one of the stock holders in the newly purchased CTV. Sorry, no link just something I have read. Probably worth looking up though.


moo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

This isn't the picture I was referring to.

This one looks like it was taken in her home. The one I was talking about was probably taken in Aruba.

Is this the one (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/earshot/bethinhotelroom.jpg)?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord



***********screaming with laughter************

Credit card bills also reflect hotel fees, according to Jug.

Joran's "pretty girl" , interesting, prior to her visit to Aruba,is named as a character witness in Joe T's filing. Yet another coincidence to this macabre tragedy.


moo


I suppose you can back this up with a link? Or do we chalk it up to some more of your gossip?

[chambord]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Since the comps the Twittys received are pretty well documented, Jug simply made a fool of himself disputing them.



**********screaming with laughter***********

Documented by who???

The Aruban Tourist Bureau or the Strategic Task Force Travel Board?



moo

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I suppose you can back this up with a link? Or do we chalk it up to some more of your gossip?

Which are you questioning, and I'll get back to you?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I suppose you can back this up with a link? Or do we chalk it up to some more of your gossip?
I guess she doesn't buy into the big PR stunt 'theory' her friend posted, eh?

I would LOVE to see a link for Cham's latest round of musings.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord


Which are you questioning, and I'll get back to you?


All of it.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

I guess she doesn't buy into the big PR stunt 'theory' her friend posted, eh?

I would LOVE to see a link for Cham's latest round of musings.


I would too....that's why I asked. :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I would too....that's why I asked. :tongue: I'm going to guess "monkey musings".

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I'm going to guess "monkey musings".


I just scanned some other sites and it would appear you guessed right. Those same monkeys are the ones who started the "it was Paulus on the casino video". ROFLMAO.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down



All of it.

Not sure what "all" of it means.

Jug's reply to comps can be read on Joe Scarborough's transcript of 8-11-05. MSNBC.

The girl at the Marriot Beach is listed on page 36 of character witness's in Joe T's reply to the Twitty/Holloway civil suit.

Her web page on Zorpia.com contains the same photos that have been plastered all over the media.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord


Not sure what "all" of it means.

Jug's reply to comps can be read on Joe Scarborough's transcript of 8-11-05. MSNBC.

The girl at the Marriot Beach is listed on page 36 of character witness's in Joe T's reply to the Twitty/Holloway civil suit.

Her web page on Zorpia.com contains the same photos that have been plastered all over the media.

MOO


All ot it is pretty self explanatory.

So where is the link to Scarborough? I asked for a link.

The girls name has not been released so why am I supposed to believe she is mentioned in Joe T's filing? Because you say so?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



All ot it is pretty self explanatory.

So where is the link to Scarborough? I asked for a link.

The girls name has not been released so why am I supposed to believe she is mentioned in Joe T's filing? Because you say so?
But she has a web page and we all know, no one would EVER start a web page saying they are someone they are not and no one would EVER take pics already in the public domain and put them on their webpage.

This just gets better and better.


LMAO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

But she has a web page and we all know, no one would EVER start a web page saying they are someone they are not and no one would EVER take pics already in the public domain and put them on their webpage.

This just gets better and better.


LMAO


Well it is good to start the day out with laughter. :biggrin:

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down



All ot it is pretty self explanatory.

So where is the link to Scarborough? I asked for a link.

The girls name has not been released so why am I supposed to believe she is mentioned in Joe T's filing? Because you say so?



Do pictures lie? I know her name, many do. She's seems quite proud of her Joran ohotos, they are displayed on her web page.

I can't seem to bring the Scarborough link over, perhaps this will help.

MSNBC. msn.com/id/8925176

can you give it a try.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord




Do pictures lie? I know her name, many do. She's seems quite proud of her Joran ohotos, they are displayed on her web page.

I can't seem to bring the Scarborough link over, perhaps this will help.

MSNBC. msn.com/id/8925176

can you give it a try.



You know her name???? Oh this is rich. Where did her name come from? Some internet junkie who thinks they are investigators? Thanks for confirming this is nothing more than gossip. ROFLMAO


As for your link......

The page you have requested cannot be found.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down




You know her name???? Oh this is rich. Where did her name come from? Some internet junkie who thinks they are investigators? Thanks for confirming this is nothing more than gossip. ROFLMAO


As for your link......

The page you have requested cannot be found.



Whatever!!!


moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord




Whatever!!!


moo



Typical. You can't back up your claim so you post your "whatever".


:rolleyes:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




You know her name???? Oh this is rich. Where did her name come from? Some internet junkie who thinks they are investigators? Thanks for confirming this is nothing more than gossip. ROFLMAO

She knows her name? Like she knew about some crematorium?

LMAO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


She knows her name? Like she knew about some crematorium?

LMAO


Yep. Just more unfounded gossip.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




Typical. You can't back up your claim so you post your "whatever".


:rolleyes:

Is that acceptable? Next time someone asks for a link I can post some garbage-of-a-link-hope-it-works and then say 'whatever' when the link doesn't go anywhere and I can't back my claim?

Nice to know!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Is that acceptable? Next time someone asks for a link I can post some garbage-of-a-link-hope-it-works and then say 'whatever' when the link doesn't go anywhere and I can't back my claim?

Nice to know!


That is the reason I don't post links to them anymore.

[feelings]

Originally posted by Watership Down



That is the reason I don't post links to them anymore.
there was just a typo - a blank that shouldn´t be there - something anyone that wanted to could figure out!

MSNBC.msn.com/id/8925176

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

there was just a typo - a blank that shouldn´t be there - something anyone that wanted to could figure out!

That's just it, shouldn't have to 'figure it out' :rolleyes:

[cassidy]

I found the Scarborough transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176

Hope it works. Interesting to see the earlier ones and what was said. Anyone know when Mr Twitty stopped making public statements?
Just curious.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



That is the reason I don't post links to them anymore. Aw, don't play their game. I thought it was funny that my link detailing what has been expended by the good people of Aruba to the family of Natalee Holloway was called a recipe and too long of a post.

ROTFLMAO

[feelings]

Originally posted by nascarmom


That's just it, shouldn't have to 'figure it out' :rolleyes:
sounds like fast food.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by cassidy
I found the Scarborough transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176

Hope it works. Interesting to see the earlier ones and what was said. Anyone know when Mr Twitty stopped making public statements?
Just curious.



Here is an interesting one I found. I wonder where all of the rumors Nicholaas talks about came from?


NICOLAAS: Well, because of a few things, you know. What she wrote in her yearbook that something like if I go there's a lot of things to be seen yet, et cetera. Will you remember me? And then on (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that was (UNINTELLIGIBLE) call me, we can talk. And also on the bus trip I think it was that the mother said I won't give in this time. And there are a lot of rumors that this has already happened on other islands,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330886/


Hmmmm who was telling ALE that Natalee had run away before? My guess is the MB students.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by feelings

sounds like fast food.

Figuring it out sounds like fast food?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by cassidy
I found the Scarborough transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176

Hope it works. Interesting to see the earlier ones and what was said. Anyone know when Mr Twitty stopped making public statements?
Just curious.

I don't get the claim that that discredits the list I posted :shrug:

[cassidy]

Originally posted by nascarmom


I don't get the claim that that discredits the list I posted :shrug:


LOL neither did I, that's why I posted the link :)

[feelings]

Originally posted by cassidy


Figuring it out sounds like fast food?
the poster not wanting to figure anything out does.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

sounds like fast food. :confused:

[cassidy]

Originally posted by feelings

the poster not wanting to figure anything out does.

Ok, I'll admit it, you lost me on this one, totally.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

the poster not wanting to figure anything out does.

Why should anyone have to figure out a link?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by cassidy


Ok, I'll admit it, you lost me on this one, totally. Befuddling, isn't it.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by feelings

there was just a typo - a blank that shouldn´t be there - something anyone that wanted to could figure out!

MSNBC.msn.com/id/8925176



It isn't my place to fix typo's in someone else's link. She should double check it when it's pointed out that the link doesn't work. :rolleyes:

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down




Typical. You can't back up your claim so you post your "whatever".


:rolleyes:


I posted "whatever" to your post because its obvious that some of you prefer to keep this thread one sided. Well, there are a few of us left who once in awhile who will venture on here to give another point of view and keep this board more even steven. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

moo

ps..If anyone wants the name of the Marriot Beach girl just pm me.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Befuddling, isn't it.

Yep. that train left the station and I wasn't on it. :shrug:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


I don't get the claim that that discredits the list I posted :shrug:


It doesn't. ;)

Jug saying it doesn't prove it.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




Here is an interesting one I found. I wonder where all of the rumors Nicholaas talks about came from?


NICOLAAS: Well, because of a few things, you know. What she wrote in her yearbook that something like if I go there's a lot of things to be seen yet, et cetera. Will you remember me? And then on (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that was (UNINTELLIGIBLE) call me, we can talk. And also on the bus trip I think it was that the mother said I won't give in this time. And there are a lot of rumors that this has already happened on other islands,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330886/


Hmmmm who was telling ALE that Natalee had run away before? My guess is the MB students.

My guess is the FBI :read:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It doesn't. ;)

Jug saying it doesn't prove it.

But something posted on a biased Aruban site is proof? GMAB :rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord



I posted "whatever" to your post because its obvious that some of you prefer to keep this thread one sided. Well, there are a few of us left who once in awhile who will venture on here to give another point of view and keep this board more even steven. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

moo

ps..If anyone wants the name of the Marriot Beach girl just pm me.


It doesn't work that way and you know it. You claimed to know her name. I have asked for proof of how you know her name. Credible proof at that. You couldn't provide proof as usual.

As for the rest of your post....you are held to the same standards we are. When you post something you have to back it up with fact not rumor. Sorry that's just the way it is.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom


My guess is the FBI :read:

I think it was meddling message board posters. :o


moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


But something posted on a biased Aruban site is proof? GMAB :rolleyes:



Please point out where anything has been posted that is posted on a biased Aruban site.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It doesn't. ;)

Jug saying it doesn't prove it.

Perhaps you could ask Jug to provide you with his "credit card bills" he speaks of. For that matter, Aruba's travel bureaus claiming they comped the Holloway/Twitty's doesn't prove anything either. More PR. IMO

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by No Nic


But something posted on a biased Aruban site is proof? GMAB :rolleyes:

LOL!

[cassidy]

Originally posted by No Nic


But something posted on a biased Aruban site is proof? GMAB :rolleyes:

I believe that we all saw videos of the many searches conducted and the F-16's flying and the Aruban people out helping search and pass out flyers. And I have great difficulty believing that an entire island would lie about what was comped while the Twitty's were there. Do you think they comped nothing at all?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down




Please point out where anything has been posted that is posted on a biased Aruban site.

That would be this

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


But something posted on a biased Aruban site is proof? GMAB :rolleyes:

The Aruban gvt is biased? LMAO Is the US gvt biased too?

LOL LOL LOL

[No Nic]

Originally posted by cassidy


I believe that we all saw videos of the many searches conducted and the F-16's flying and the Aruban people out helping search and pass out flyers. And I have great difficulty believing that an entire island would lie about what was comped while the Twitty's were there. Do you think they comped nothing at all?

I believe everything is BS, the comps and $$ spent on the investigation is overblown, inflated and PR motivated.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be this

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm


And that is what? Your biased opinion. GMAB


Looks like it's time for a reminder.....


Freshwater
Super Moderator

Registered: May 2006
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Originally posted by nascarmom

That's why Narc asked for the link to be PMed to him.


And the point of discussing something posted on a message board that can't be linked to and refusing to PM the link is....????.....Why even bring it up. If it can't be linked to, it should not be discussed.
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I'm gonna agree with Nascarmon on this one. - FH20

[chambord]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It doesn't work that way and you know it. You claimed to know her name. I have asked for proof of how you know her name. Credible proof at that. You couldn't provide proof as usual.

As for the rest of your post....you are held to the same standards we are. When you post something you have to back it up with fact not rumor. Sorry that's just the way it is.

Seeing as you stated "her name hasn't been made public, I won't post it here. That being said, she, herself has posted her sojurn to Aruba on her web page. Pics don't lie, it is what it is.

Funny, you discredit anything that doesn't fit in with your point of view, ie, the 12 yr old girlfriend Joran had which you dismissed, have you read Shizaru's Timeline? Its right there, with all his other squeezes...I know its difficult to fathom when your idol is tarnished.

moo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I believe everything is BS, the comps and $$ spent on the investigation is overblown, inflated and PR motivated.

imo Believe what you want. You have no proof it's anything but accurate and instead call the gvt 'biased' in their reporting.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be this

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm

It's a legit link. You have a legit link that discredits ANY of it?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord


Seeing as you stated "her name hasn't been made public, I won't post it here. That being said, she, herself has posted her sojurn to Aruba on her web page. Pics don't lie, it is what it is.

Funny, you discredit anything that doesn't fit in with your point of view, ie, the 12 yr old girlfriend Joran had which you dismissed, have you read Shizaru's Timeline? Its right there, with all his other squeezes...I know its difficult to fathom when your idol is tarnished.

moo



Obviously you are the one having trouble understanding? Who released her name as the one who was with Joran? And no....messageboards are not reputable links per FW. So pony up the proof. What reputable source released the information?

I read the timeline...something that is obvious by the comments I posted on that thread. It uses things like....messageboards posters.... as sources. Hardly credible. But if you want to take messageboard posters claims as proof it speaks volumes about you.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be this

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/index.htm


And that is what? Your biased opinion. GMAB


Looks like it's time for a reminder.....


Freshwater
Super Moderator

Registered: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 447

quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom

That's why Narc asked for the link to be PMed to him.


And the point of discussing something posted on a message board that can't be linked to and refusing to PM the link is....????.....Why even bring it up. If it can't be linked to, it should not be discussed.
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I'm gonna agree with Nascarmon on this one. - FH20

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom


The Aruban gvt is biased? LMAO Is the US gvt biased too?

LOL LOL LOL

Since the site states that "The Aruba Tourism Authority is a government department funded by public funds" then YES, I would have to say that the Aruban gvt is biased, at the very least, that department is. Why is that so hard to believe?

imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



And that is what? Your biased opinion. GMAB


Looks like it's time for a reminder.....


Freshwater
Super Moderator

Registered: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 447

quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom

That's why Narc asked for the link to be PMed to him.


And the point of discussing something posted on a message board that can't be linked to and refusing to PM the link is....????.....Why even bring it up. If it can't be linked to, it should not be discussed.
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I'm gonna agree with Nascarmon on this one. - FH20

I don't see the relevance :confused:

I think you need the reminder from FH20 for YOUR refusal to provide any links as YOU stated in an earlier post this a.m. I think FH20 also need to remind you and the others to use IMO, etc. Most of your posts are stated without it and we know they are not FACT!

Do you think you are exempt from CTV rules and FH20's requests?

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Since the site states that "The Aruba Tourism Authority is a government department funded by public funds" then YES, I would have to say that the Aruban gvt is biased, at the very least, that department is. Why is that so hard to believe?

imo

Like I said, think what you want and discredit anything that doesn't fit into the Beth-was-treated-so-bad-by-the-Aruban-gvt theory.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't see the relevance :confused:

I think you need the reminder from FH20 for YOUR refusal to provide any links as YOU stated in an earlier post this a.m. I think FH20 also need to remind you and the others to use IMO, etc. Most of your posts are stated without it and we know they are not FACT!

Do you think you are exempt from CTV rules and FH20's requests?

imo

You have stated many times yourself that you will no longer post links.

You think you are exempt?

[feelings]

Originally posted by No Nic


I believe everything is BS, the comps and $$ spent on the investigation is overblown, inflated and PR motivated.

imo
reminds me of a report about how an airline had been advertising with new security measures. Turned out they got the dogs they claimed were trained to detect explosives that they used in the commercial from an animal shelter.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Like I said, think what you want and discredit anything that doesn't fit into the Beth-was-treated-so-bad-by-the-Aruban-gvt theory.

Thanks, but I did not need your permission. :tongue:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't see the relevance :confused:

I think you need the reminder from FH20 for YOUR refusal to provide any links as YOU stated in an earlier post this a.m. I think FH20 also need to remind you and the others to use IMO, etc. Most of your posts are stated without it and we know they are not FACT!

Do you think you are exempt from CTV rules and FH20's requests?

imo


I have asked for two links today and have gotten neither one. That happens every time I ask for links. The discussion gets spun and spun and spun and no links are ever provided. So why should I go out of my way to provide links to someone who refuses to provide them?

I have never used IMO in my posts. What I state has been verified repeatedly on this very board. When I discuss something that hasn't been discussed I provide links. I have never brought gossip or rumor to this board.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


You have stated many times yourself that you will no longer post links.

You think you are exempt?



Looks like it. :rolleyes:

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Is this the one (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/earshot/bethinhotelroom.jpg)?
Just catching up so I'll just say "yes" for now.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have asked for two links today and have gotten neither one. That happens every time I ask for links. The discussion gets spun and spun and spun and no links are ever provided. So why should I go out of my way to provide links to someone who refuses to provide them?

I have never used IMO in my posts. What I state has been verified repeatedly on this very board. When I discuss something that hasn't been discussed I provide links. I have never brought gossip or rumor to this board. I thought freshwater was pretty clear about not putting stuff on her board that cannot be substantiated with a credible link but once again we get info that can only be 'linked' thru a private message and has no business being brought up.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I thought freshwater was pretty clear about not putting stuff on her board that cannot be substantiated with a credible link but once again we get info that can only be 'linked' thru a private message and has no business being brought up.



Yes it was pretty clear. It is what it is. Rumor and gossip. ;)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom


You have stated many times yourself that you will no longer post links.

You think you are exempt?

Yeah, I said it a couple of times out of frustration when every link we provide to you gets spun so badly that it doesn't resemble what the link is.

I STILL provide them when I can find them. Sometimes it's best to drop the issue than try to find some of the old links.

imo

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by chambord


Seeing as you stated "her name hasn't been made public, I won't post it here. That being said, she, herself has posted her sojurn to Aruba on her web page. Pics don't lie, it is what it is.
<snip>

Can you post the name of the PR firm she works for?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Yeah, I said it a couple of times out of frustration when every link we provide to you gets spun so badly that it doesn't resemble what the link is.

I STILL provide them when I can find them. Sometimes it's best to drop the issue than try to find some of the old links.

imo You mean like how my link to what Aruba comp'ed the Twitty's has been spun?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



<snipped>

I have never used IMO in my posts. What I state has been verified repeatedly on this very board. When I discuss something that hasn't been discussed I provide links. I have never brought gossip or rumor to this board.


Not everything you post on this board has been verified repeatedly and you know it. You post your opinions as do the rest of us. Never having used IMO in your posts, does not change the fact that per CTV rules and FH20's instructions it is required.

But since you nor I are the moderater, we will let FH20 handle it, if she so choses.

imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You mean like how my link to what Aruba comp'ed the Twitty's has been spun?

Not spun, debunked by one of the parties personally invoved.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not spun, debunked by one of the parties personally invoved.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176

Not bebunked by a long shot and spun on this board into a 'biased report' by the gvt.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Not bebunked by a long shot and spun on this board into a 'biased report' by the gvt.

No spin.........Debunked !!

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


No spin.........Debunked !!

imo



Pure spin, not debunked.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not spun, debunked by one of the parties personally invoved.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176
The only thing he said was he paid some taxi fares, and moved to a different hote, but still got a discount.

How is that debunking anything?

Did he expect a car and driver? Did he expect every hotel to provide free rooms?

[Gregor's Back]

We were talking about the graduation gifts yesterday.

From the timeline thread: "May 24: Natalee graduates from Mountain Brook High School"

Why would the gifts not have been opened before Natalee left for Aruba?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


No spin.........Debunked !!

imo OH? How was it debunked in the Scarborough interview link?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
OH? How was it debunked in the Scarborough interview link?


Because Jug said so. ;) :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

The only thing he said was he paid some taxi fares, and moved to a different hote, but still got a discount.

How is that debunking anything?

Did he expect a car and driver? Did he expect every hotel to provide free rooms?

Well, they are the Royal We, ya know.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
No.

I think if Natalee was dead, the family would want to know what happened and for justice to be done.

MOO

IMO, the family knows Natalee is dead, the problem is there is no justice . Aruba relies on the gullible people, I'm proud t say, I'm not one.


moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by chambord



Hmmm, and you just posted about some not being on board. Yup, that would be Nic, Paula and me, that still bother to come here and be a voice for Natalee, you and yours have managed to chase everyone else off. Posting on a message board is supposed to be a pleasant experience and interest, but then we come here..............................well, I'm sure you can fill in the blanks .


moo


It would be a pleasant experience if you would stop the baiting.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by chambord



Hmmm, and you just posted about some not being on board. Yup, that would be Nic, Paula and me, that still bother to come here and be a voice for Natalee, you and yours have managed to chase everyone else off. Posting on a message board is supposed to be a pleasant experience and interest, but then we come here..............................well, I'm sure you can fill in the blanks .


moo Yes, when you come on board, posting becomes a most unpleasant experience.

So now you're the self appointed voice of Natalee. LMAO. Sorry, but I don't think so.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by chambord


IMO, the family knows Natalee is dead, the problem is there is no justice . Aruba relies on the gullible people, I'm proud t say, I'm not one.


moo If the family knows, why do they say the opposite?

Aruba relies on gullible people,huh? You saying the US gvt is gullible?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back
We were talking about the graduation gifts yesterday.

From the timeline thread: "May 24: Natalee graduates from Mountain Brook High School"

Why would the gifts not have been opened before Natalee left for Aruba? Natalee didn't have time.
Gifts arrived after she left.
She had to write thank you notes as she opened them.
The gift givers were not present.
A party was planned.
She knew what was in them.
They were joke gifts.

I doubt it is relevant.

MOO