DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


yes, torn apart! Did you see the tape of one of their wives, kids??
All unnecessary pain that J2K put them and their families through.
Thanks J2K! Was this the wife of the SG that was allowed to sit in jail for 6 days by his ATTORNEY while ALE investigated instead of demanding his release?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by julianella


Underage tournaments?

I just did a web search of Free tournaments in Aruba and got nothing but Internet games, and there was a buy in! That was the prize money, when you put in a buy in then doesn't that just void out the "free"?


Gotsta quote the tree:

LOAD ALERT

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


She's got a good idea what happened to Natalee.
She's been suffering. :rolleyes: She says she has no idea what happened to Natalee, so just more lies huh?

She's been SLANDERING.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


yes, torn apart! Did you see the tape of one of their wives, kids??
All unnecessary pain that J2K put them and their families through.
Thanks J2K!
I think it's prety obvious all the suspects who have been detained can't be guilty. What about them? Are Joran and the Kalpoes responsible for their lives being torn apart?

Why don't you people who are so very concerned about the well being of the two unemployed guards establish a fund for them?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Going out to enjoy a very MiamiNiceDay! :seeya:

LOL Let me guess .... going to play golf??? Isn't that what they call all those big golf championship games .... "The Battle of the Links"???

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Don't know the answer to this, Un. But.....at 3AM?? And didn't Joran say he was gambling, in the Statements?

IMO.

When did a free poker torney turn into 'not gambling'????

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


She's got a good idea what happened to Natalee.
She's been suffering. :rolleyes:
Let me be a little more specific.

If it turns out Natalee ran off, and Beth knew it from the beginning, what would you like to see done to make Beth suffer?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom
She says she has no idea what happened to Natalee, so just more lies huh?

She's been SLANDERING.


Ya mean the poor lying suspect of kidnapping, rape and murder was called a lying suspect of kidnappping rape and murder? lol

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


WHere did the REAL money Joran played with come from? And What do you win in a "free" tournament? There is a prize right, is it Money? If so where does the prize money come from ?

Joran was seen, and has admitted to gambling with real money, where does he get that money, one statement mentions a couple hundred dollars.....

imo I have no idea.

And the statement said he WON a couple hundred bucks :read:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Let me be a little more specific.

If it turns out Natalee ran off, and Beth knew it from the beginning, what would you like to see done to make Beth suffer?

see that's the difference here. I don't want to make Beth suffer.
(shakin my head)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


You have to petition to be released, and I don't think they petitioned yet! imo But they are oh so innocent, even Beth will testify to that and their lives were oh so destroyed. Why haven't they requested to be released from suspect status? Why haven't they put in for their share of florins?

Could it be because their attorney ALLOWED them to sit in jail instead of demanding their release?

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom

She most definately is lying and about a great many things. So what is she hiding?

He's not hiding the truth. Even the Office of the Public Prosecutor stated there is no evidence of a crime or that Joran committed one. Time to move on.


Where did Joran get his money to gamble? We are not talking about 4 or 5 dollars here we are talking about at least a couple hundred that he was witnessed losing and came right back the next night to gamble again? WHere is this 17 year old unemployed student getting this money?

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I have no idea.

And the statement said he WON a couple hundred bucks :read:

You sure about that?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


see that's the difference here. I don't want to make Beth suffer.
(shakin my head) So she gets a free pass for all her slander? :rolleyes:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


This is too easy, Heyes.

Not only did Paulus reach Joran at the Casino, we have Joran's own words saying he was gambling at the time his father's phone call came in - or he had just finished - in the Statements.

If his supporters are now saying Joran is lying about that.....

imo.

Stop that Miami, Joran does not lie anymore. :D

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
But they are oh so innocent, even Beth will testify to that and their lives were oh so destroyed. Why haven't they requested to be released from suspect status? Why haven't they put in for their share of florins?

Could it be because their attorney ALLOWED them to sit in jail instead of demanding their release?

Does it cost money?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by julianella



Where did Joran get his money to gamble? We are not talking about 4 or 5 dollars here we are talking about at least a couple hundred that he was witnessed losing and came right back the next night to gamble again? WHere is this 17 year old unemployed student getting this money?

Execellent question!!!! anyone?

think he's using his allowance?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


You sure about that?

"You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won 150$ and had exchanged these into Aruban Florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino. "

[julianella]

Originally posted by redjetta


I said NOTHING about underage tournaments

Searching online for alot of things brings up TONS of different info
imo

All the info is for ONLINE gambling, and there are buy ins. Now I did a search in Aruba, and the ONLY free one is for the PRESS to have advertising for a new Hotel opening!

No other free tourn. So did they stop having them when Natalee went missing? What is a free tourn? If there is a buy in then is it really free? And if there is no buy in how many would a hotel hold? Isn't that kinda losing money? IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Execellent question!!!! anyone?

think he's using his allowance? No, he's using Paulus' non existent line of credit.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Does it cost money?
Not to my knowledge

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


yes, torn apart! Did you see the tape of one of their wives, kids??
All unnecessary pain that J2K put them and their families through.
Thanks J2K!

Heyes .... You're having a problem apparently thinking of the families of those SG's .... do yoo ever think what damage a successful boycott would have done to MANY innocent families?? I believe you APPROVE of the boycott, right??

JMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom


"You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won 150$ and had exchanged these into Aruban Florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino. "

Page 93 of Joe T filing, Joran was playing Blackjack, not a free tourn..... and he was witnessed by Watson as "betting a lot of money"...


Whatley observed Joran lose Approx $250... so where dis this money come from, and Guido, hmm why is he a suspect?

ANd even if Joran won $150, he ended up losin $250...... where did the other hundred come from? And again he went out the very next night....where did that money come from?

I wonder how a 17 year old unemployed student who's fathere doesn't give him money to gamble has money to gamble?

imo

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


All the info is for ONLINE gambling, and there are buy ins. Now I did a search in Aruba, and the ONLY free one is for the PRESS to have advertising for a new Hotel opening!

No other free tourn. So did they stop having them when Natalee went missing? What is a free tourn? If there is a buy in then is it really free? And if there is no buy in how many would a hotel hold? Isn't that kinda losing money? IMO

Do you honestly think every time a casino is having a free tournament they advertise it online?

How is it losing money? How much money do you think a casino makes a night on slots, food, cigeraettes, drinks, & most importantly the tables? So to have a free tournament is no sweat off their back to have a big turn out - people will still drink, eat, play slots, etc! The poker tables arent the only income for casinos!

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


All the info is for ONLINE gambling, and there are buy ins. Now I did a search in Aruba, and the ONLY free one is for the PRESS to have advertising for a new Hotel opening!

No other free tourn. So did they stop having them when Natalee went missing? What is a free tourn? If there is a buy in then is it really free? And if there is no buy in how many would a hotel hold? Isn't that kinda losing money? IMO

:confused: how do you know those are the 'only ones'? :confused:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Page 93 of Joe T filing, Joran was playing Blackjack, not a free tourn..... and he was witnessed by Watson as "betting a lot of money"...


Whatley observed Joran lose Approx $250... so where dis this money come from, and Guido, hmm why is he a suspect?

ANd even if Joran won $150, he ended up losin $250...... where did the other hundred come from? And again he went out the very next night....where did that money come from?

I wonder how a 17 year old unemployed student who's fathere doesn't give him money to gamble has money to gamble?

imo

Was that really Joran they were talking about cuz he was 'mixed up' with someone else in many statements.

What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes



Ya mean the poor lying suspect of kidnapping, rape and murder was called a lying suspect of kidnappping rape and murder? lol

Nope Heyes .... and you KNOW it. If you refer to the "Public Statements thread" ((if we still can)) .... you will see DIRECT accusations by Beth of kidnap, rape and murder. Not that they were "suspected" of it .... but actual direct accusations.

I have a problem with that .... NOTHING has been proven. That "story" she tells on her "Safe Travel" travels has NOT been proven.

JMO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... You're having a problem apparently thinking of the families of those SG's .... do yoo ever think what damage a successful boycott would have done to MANY innocent families?? I believe you APPROVE of the boycott, right??

JMO

interesting. I find watching a father/ husband dragged off to jail for murder very disturbing for the family.
The boycott? hmm can't equate.
The island of aruba as a tourist destination has been exposed.
We have witnessed with our own eyes the way they chose to handle this investigation and how they have decided to handle the family of the missing person. As a tourist I will never set foot on their island I am boycotting aruba. I don't have any control over others that choose to go there.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Was that really Joran they were talking about cuz he was 'mixed up' with someone else in many statements.

What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?




What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?


MB "children" got it from Mommy and Daddy... and heck Joran is the godfather of the island.. he has free flowing cash.... didn't ya know...:hat:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


There wasn't a TOURNAMENT going on at the time at 3am. According to the statements.....he was there GAMBLING.

imo. Yeah....and....????....:shrug:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Nope Heyes .... and you KNOW it. If you refer to the "Public Statements thread" ((if we still can)) .... you will see DIRECT accusations by Beth of kidnap, rape and murder. Not that they were "suspected" of it .... but actual direct accusations.

I have a problem with that .... NOTHING has been proven. That "story" she tells on her "Safe Travel" travels has NOT been proven.

JMO

and I don't blame her a bit. so she left off the word alleged, big woop, she's a mom not an attorney with her own show on tv.:rolleyes:

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


see that's the difference here. I don't want to make Beth suffer.
(shakin my head)
You want Joran to suffer because you think he knows what happened to Natalee, but if Beth knows Natalee ran off, and she's allowed a dozen innocent men to have their lives torn apart, that's OK?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by dinojen





What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?


MB "children" got it from Mommy and Daddy... and heck Joran is the godfather of the island.. he has free flowing cash.... didn't ya know...:hat: That's right. He didn't even NEED a Line of Credit from his father, he got handed piles of chips when he walked into any casino on the island. Got to keep the Godfather happy as he lived lawlessly off the land.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by julianella



Where did Joran get his money to gamble? We are not talking about 4 or 5 dollars here we are talking about at least a couple hundred that he was witnessed losing and came right back the next night to gamble again? WHere is this 17 year old unemployed student getting this money?
Assuming Joran was gambling every night for the past five years, what would that have to do with Natalee's disappearance?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

You want Joran to suffer because you think he knows what happened to Natalee, but if Beth knows Natalee ran off, and she's allowed a dozen innocent men to have their lives torn apart, that's OK?

No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella



Where did Joran get his money to gamble? We are not talking about 4 or 5 dollars here we are talking about at least a couple hundred that he was witnessed losing and came right back the next night to gamble again? WHere is this 17 year old unemployed student getting this money?

julia .... Are you inferring Joran gets his money through some nefarious method?? If so .... WHAT are you inferring??

ETA .... I wanted to add .... what does this have to do with whether or not Joran took part in kidnapping, raping and murdering Natalee??

JMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Heyes


No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened.

Thats clearly YOUR opinion I personally think that this topic is even

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by dinojen





What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?


MB "children" got it from Mommy and Daddy... and heck Joran is the godfather of the island.. he has free flowing cash.... didn't ya know...:hat:

Let's not forget the fact that it was also Joran's High School Graduation at that time. I know my son, between grandparents, godparents, aunts, uncles and friends of the family, received over $850.00 when he graduated high school.

:)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


and I don't blame her a bit. so she left off the word alleged, big woop, she's a mom not an attorney with her own show on tv.:rolleyes: She is stating her claims as FACT, just like when she called 2K criminals when they were released from detention.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I have no idea.

And the statement said he WON a couple hundred bucks :read:

And he also admitted to stealing money from his parents. No link, but it is in the Polis statements and HAS been discussed on this very board in the past.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened. So much that leads to J2K that the Prosecutor said there is no evidence a crime was committed or that they committed it.

Nothing....that's certainly alot to 'lead back to J2K'. LMAO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by No Nic


And he also admitted to stealing money from his parents. No link, but it is in the Polis statements and HAS been discussed on this very board in the past.

imo


SO if this is indeed true (I don't believe it w/o a link) then how does this equate to being a murderer or rapist?

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened.
The only thing wrong with what you say is there's not a shred of evidence Joran or anyone else harmed Natalee.

On the other hand, Beth's words and actions actually prove Natalee ran off.

If you cut out all the spin, all the BS, all the speculation, all the misdirection , the rumors and false allegations, my first two statement sum up the entire case.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


interesting. I find watching a father/ husband dragged off to jail for murder very disturbing for the family.
The boycott? hmm can't equate.
The island of aruba as a tourist destination has been exposed.
We have witnessed with our own eyes the way they chose to handle this investigation and how they have decided to handle the family of the missing person. As a tourist I will never set foot on their island I am boycotting aruba. I don't have any control over others that choose to go there.

Heyes .... I find it disturbing that ANYONE was dragged off to jail suspected of murder. And I believe you're right .... it IS very disturbing for the family of that person .... INCLUDING the families of Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers.

I have never been to Aruba .... I've never really had any desire to go to Aruba. Not because of THIS case, however. I DO find it disturbing that an Island who depends on the tourist business, has their economy threatened by someone who is he!!-bent on DESTROYING them.

As has been mentioned before, so many times .... every state in this Country could be boycotted, if the ONLY reason for boycotting them was because of unsolved missing persons cases.

ETA .... Incidentally, would you SUPPORT a boycott of those States??

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


And he also admitted to stealing money from his parents. No link, but it is in the Polis statements and HAS been discussed on this very board in the past.

imo A teenager taking money out of his dad's wallet? I bet he is the ONLY one in the history of mankind to ever do that. Oh the HORROR.

[SukiJane]

Originally posted by dinojen





What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?


MB "children" got it from Mommy and Daddy... and heck Joran is the godfather of the island.. he has free flowing cash.... didn't ya know...:hat:

I understand that Joran may have gotten some of his money from mommy and daddy too...by stealing it. That Joran, he's such a silly boy. jmo

[redjetta]

Originally posted by SukiJane


I understand that Joran may have gotten some of his money from mommy and daddy too...by stealing it. That Joran, he's such a silly boy. jmo

I did'nt know teenagers actually steal from their parents I just thought those were rumors that I had been hearing.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by nascarmom
A teenager taking money out of his dad's wallet? I bet he is the ONLY one in the history of mankind to ever do that. Oh the HORROR.



LMBO... did it one time.. and that's all it took... and it was only a couple of bucks...but dang if he didn't miss those couple of ones.. should of taken a 20 there was lots of those...:rolleyes:



As for the "polis" statement.. I wonder if this was the one posted you know where.. or if this was the actual signed for real honest to god statement made by Joran...

Being they have never actually truthfully been released.. and Joran's attorney's say he never signed a sworn statment.. I wonder how accurate that statement is.. Just wondering.. that's all...:D

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened.

Heyes .... I guess I can be counted in that "handfull of posters" ((which I think is a lot MORE than a handfull, incidentally)). Can you answer something for me though .... How do you explain the fact the Prosecutor in this case says there is no evidence Joran et al committed any crimes?? Can you explain that to me??

JMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Was that really Joran they were talking about cuz he was 'mixed up' with someone else in many statements.

What difference does it make where Joran got his money? Where did the MB children get their money?

I think it makes a difference where is got his money.... Seems like a lot of money for an unemployed teen to have, he didn't graduate yet...

The MB kids had graduation, and we know their parents gave them money, but PVDS doesn''t support Joran playing in money games....

SO yes I think when he has hundreds of $$ to blow in a casino with no income it is interesting to find out where the $$ came from!

imo

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by julianella


I think it makes a difference where is got his money.... Seems like a lot of money for an unemployed teen to have, he didn't graduate yet...
<snip>

Assuming he has money to burn, what does it have to do with Natalee's disappearance?

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


julia .... Are you inferring Joran gets his money through some nefarious method?? If so .... WHAT are you inferring??

ETA .... I wanted to add .... what does this have to do with whether or not Joran took part in kidnapping, raping and murdering Natalee??

JMO

Well if there is no body... and Natalee was not on Aruba.... was she sold?

And I am not infering anything, I am asking!

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


interesting. I find watching a father/ husband dragged off to jail for murder very disturbing for the family.
The boycott? hmm can't equate.
The island of aruba as a tourist destination has been exposed.
We have witnessed with our own eyes the way they chose to handle this investigation and how they have decided to handle the family of the missing person. As a tourist I will never set foot on their island I am boycotting aruba. I don't have any control over others that choose to go there.

I find it disturbing a father being arrested simply to pressure the son is turned into a murder conviction of the father and son by Beth and her followers.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella


You have to petition to be released, and I don't think they petitioned yet! imo It would be denied.

MOO

[julianella]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Assuming he has money to burn, what does it have to do with Natalee's disappearance?

No body no case... Was there an offer that could not be refused? OR were there unpaid debts?

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


I think it makes a difference where is got his money.... Seems like a lot of money for an unemployed teen to have, he didn't graduate yet...

The MB kids had graduation, and we know their parents gave them money, but PVDS doesn''t support Joran playing in money games....

SO yes I think when he has hundreds of $$ to blow in a casino with no income it is interesting to find out where the $$ came from!

imo


Maybe he had a savings account, maybe he had his graduation party early, maybe that money was a gift from his parents, maybe his relatives sent him the money, maybe he did a side job for quick cash, maybe he inherited it, etc.

I could go all day we just don't know which leaves room for endless possibilites.

imo

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


And he also admitted to stealing money from his parents. No link, but it is in the Polis statements and HAS been discussed on this very board in the past.

imo

AGAIN, No Nic .... Other than trying to show Joran in a further bad light .... how does that prove he kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee??

I mean, I suppose, if we're going to delve into the lives of EVERY kid involved in this, we might see all KINDS of things which would surprise us.

I keep thinking about how it's constantly brought up how Joran "beat up" his brother. THAT makes me think of MY brother .... lol. It reminds me of the time, so long ago .... when my parents had bought me my first pair of "heels". My brother and I got into a fight .... lol, and he THREW one of my shoes at me, BREAKING the heel!!! ((It didn't hit me, but it hit the wall)) :eek: We STILL laugh about that often .... lol.

JMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It would be denied.

MOO

Possibly....but maybe not!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Well if there is no body... and Natalee was not on Aruba.... was she sold?

And I am not infering anything, I am asking!

imo Who knows. The island had many visitors that night because of the Soul Concert.

The hardest cases to crack are those that involve a stranger doing harm to another stranger.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

The only thing wrong with what you say is there's not a shred of evidence Joran or anyone else harmed Natalee.

On the other hand, Beth's words and actions actually prove Natalee ran off.

If you cut out all the spin, all the BS, all the speculation, all the misdirection , the rumors and false allegations, my first two statement sum up the entire case.

Indeed they do, Gregor ....

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


No body no case... Was there an offer that could not be refused? OR were there unpaid debts? The only ones who have said no body no case are the media. Are they involved in Natalee's disappearance?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Freshwater


The thread IS available via the archives you cannot post there but you can copy material.

Thanks FH20 .... :seeya:

[julianella]

Originally posted by redjetta



Maybe he had a savings account, maybe he had his graduation party early, maybe that money was a gift from his parents, maybe his relatives sent him the money, maybe he did a side job for quick cash, maybe he inherited it, etc.

I could go all day we just don't know which leaves room for endless possibilites.

imo

His mom was out of town so when did he have the party? Who would he inherit $$ from? Was there a recent death? A gift for what?

This is not the first time he was in a casino... so what about the other times? How much would a 17 year old who goes out clubbing, and gambling and has no job save up?

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The only ones who have said no body no case are the media. Are they involved in Natalee's disappearance?

Not true in this link for the recorded conversation Joran and Deepak say it!

[redjetta]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Who knows. The island had many visitors that night because of the Soul Concert.

The hardest cases to crack are those that involve a stranger doing harm to another stranger.

Great point! I keep forgetting that there was a concert the same exact night she disappeared. I wonder why this was never really mentioned in the media.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


Well if there is no body... and Natalee was not on Aruba.... was she sold?

And I am not infering anything, I am asking!

imo

LOL julia .... I was SURE you were inferring something specifically about Joran, because you were showing SO much interest in where he got his money.

Do you think Joran "sold" Natalee??

JMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


His mom was out of town so when did he have the party? Who would he inherit $$ from? Was there a recent death? A gift for what?

This is not the first time he was in a casino... so what about the other times? How much would a 17 year old who goes out clubbing, and gambling and has no job save up?

Do you know that he didnt inherit money from someone? Do you know if he had a party before his mom left? No & neither do I it was merely speculation the same in which you do in your opinion of what caused Natalees disappearence.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Did he use Monopoly Money? :D

This explanation doesn't fly. Beth was told somewhere along the liine about the line of credit. She's repeating what she believed to be the truth told to her by a responsible person.

IMO. monopoly? (http://www.therepublic.us/images/joran02.jpg)

[bchand]

Originally posted by julianella


His mom was out of town so when did he have the party? Who would he inherit $$ from? Was there a recent death? A gift for what?

This is not the first time he was in a casino... so what about the other times? How much would a 17 year old who goes out clubbing, and gambling and has no job save up?

and of course, we've read that his father did NOT approve of him gambling in these casinos, but according to one statement of Deepak's, Joran was right back gambling at a casino soon after this and was "into an argument" of some sort with a tourist who felt Joran was cheating by having Deepak and whoever else was with him giving him signs about the tourist's cards. They got out of there because of this.

I wish we knew who that tourist was to hear his side of it.

[feelings]

Originally posted by julianella


Not true in this link for the recorded conversation Joran and Deepak say it!
exactly.

[redjetta]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The only ones who have said no body no case are the media. Are they involved in Natalee's disappearance?

Do people who work for the media gamble? If so then the answers gotta be yes right? :rolleyes:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


His mom was out of town so when did he have the party? Who would he inherit $$ from? Was there a recent death? A gift for what?

This is not the first time he was in a casino... so what about the other times? How much would a 17 year old who goes out clubbing, and gambling and has no job save up?

julia .... You're asking questions which can't POSSIBLY be answered by messageboard posters. How could you or I POSSIBLY know who Joran might interit money from .... or who died recently .... or who could have given him any gifts !!!!!

JMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


Not true in this link for the recorded conversation Joran and Deepak say it!

The judge dismissed it so will I!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by dinojen




LMBO... did it one time.. and that's all it took... and it was only a couple of bucks...but dang if he didn't miss those couple of ones.. should of taken a 20 there was lots of those...:rolleyes:



As for the "polis" statement.. I wonder if this was the one posted you know where.. or if this was the actual signed for real honest to god statement made by Joran...

Being they have never actually truthfully been released.. and Joran's attorney's say he never signed a sworn statment.. I wonder how accurate that statement is.. Just wondering.. that's all...:D Well if the 'statements' posted are what Beth and Jug claimed were evidence that would shock the world!! and what they threatened to release if J2K were released - it BACKFIRED.

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


LOL julia .... I was SURE you were inferring something specifically about Joran, because you were showing SO much interest in where he got his money.

Do you think Joran "sold" Natalee??

JMO

I think there is a possibility that he could be aware of it!

No body no case didn't mean they won't find a DEAD body right, and if she is not dead then where is she? And why did they lie? And Joran says she could have been on Drugs and he left her alone on the beach, and he and Satish left in a hurry... so was the beach a drop? IMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


I think there is a possibility that he could be aware of it!

No body no case didn't mean they won't find a DEAD body right, and if she is not dead then where is she? And why did they lie? And Joran says she could have been on Drugs and he left her alone on the beach, and he and Satish left in a hurry... so was the beach a drop? IMO

:shrug:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
A teenager taking money out of his dad's wallet? I bet he is the ONLY one in the history of mankind to ever do that. Oh the HORROR.

Giving Joran a FREE PASS on stealing from his own parents, added to the OTHER free passes you give him, speaks LOUD AND CLEAR for anything you opine.

imp

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Not true in this link for the recorded conversation Joran and Deepak say it! Not true! There are many more words than just the 4 and there is also a distinction made between body and dead body :read:

[feelings]

Originally posted by redjetta


The judge dismissed it so will I!
wow. Do you think his name is Simple Simon?

[julianella]

Originally posted by redjetta


Do you know that he didnt inherit money from someone? Do you know if he had a party before his mom left? No & neither do I it was merely speculation the same in which you do in your opinion of what caused Natalees disappearence.

imo

Again who died? You inherit when someone dies right?

And don't you think his family would have mentioned a party... WAIT Anita did mention it, she said and I posted the link so you can do a search.... she said He was almost graduted and it was ALMOST party time.....

So I guess that would mean he didn't have his party yet! He still had to pass finals remember to graduate! imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Giving Joran a FREE PASS on stealing from his own parents, added to the OTHER free passes you give him, speaks LOUD AND CLEAR for anything you opine.

imp *screams with laughter*

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


I think there is a possibility that he could be aware of it!

No body no case didn't mean they won't find a DEAD body right, and if she is not dead then where is she? And why did they lie? And Joran says she could have been on Drugs and he left her alone on the beach, and he and Satish left in a hurry... so was the beach a drop? IMO :confused:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


This is too easy, Heyes.

Not only did Paulus reach Joran at the Casino, we have Joran's own words saying he was gambling at the time his father's phone call came in - or he had just finished - in the Statements.

If his supporters are now saying Joran is lying about that.....

imo. I thought he was burying Natalee's body when he was called. MOO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by nascarmom
*screams with laughter*


Picking myself up off the floor... while screaming with you...



Speaking of free passes...there have been enough of those passed out to the MB group I don't see how there are any left fo anyone else... JMHOOC....

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
monopoly? (http://www.therepublic.us/images/joran02.jpg) OMG!! where did he get that money??? :eek:

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


julia .... You're asking questions which can't POSSIBLY be answered by messageboard posters. How could you or I POSSIBLY know who Joran might interit money from .... or who died recently .... or who could have given him any gifts !!!!!

JMO

The money is an issue because we know by Jorans own admission he liked to gamble and drink, at the bar and you have to pay for boh. Deepak had a job... Joran didn't... how did he afford that much. I can see buying drinks on an allowance, but going to a casino and losing over $200 and going back the Next night? I know many people who have real jobs that would not blow that much unless they were on vacation.... and he was not on vacation... he was still in school, getting ready for finals!

imo

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Not true! There are many more words than just the 4 and there is also a distinction made between body and dead body :read:

That is the point I made.. No body as in dead, so there will be no murder case.. I wonder how much time a person gets for human trafficking there... Deepak telling Joran he'd get 15 yrs is interesting!

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes



She isn't lying, she isn't hiding anything.
Joran needs to suffer because he knows what happened to Natalee. He is lying and he is hiding the truth. Suffer?:confused:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by dinojen



Picking myself up off the floor... while screaming with you...



Speaking of free passes...there have been enough of those passed out to the MB group I don't see how there are any left fo anyone else... JMHOOC.... Oh my, I won't condemn a teenager for taking money from his dad's wallet and use it to say he then raped and murdered Natalee.

Boy, that sure speaks alot about me, doesn't it? :D

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by julianella


Well if there is no body... and Natalee was not on Aruba.... was she sold?

And I am not infering anything, I am asking!

imo
Julia, there are three things you need to know.

1. Casinos don't extend credit to minors, and loan sharks don't lend money to minors, because they have no way to collect.

Neither is going to hope a 17 year old kid is going to be able to grab a tourist and sell her to cover his debts.

2. Adult women who are educated and have close family ties are just not in high demand in the sex trade industry. They represent too many problems. Better to stick with younger, poorer, uneducated kids whose families really don't give a damn.

3. If any body were going to put his rear in a sling and go after an 18 year old adult, with an education and a family, at a minimum, they would go after the most attractive one available. Realistically, Natalee would be no higher than 10th out of the MB group.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


That is the point I made.. No body as in dead, so there will be no murder case.. I wonder how much time a person gets for human trafficking there... Deepak telling Joran he'd get 15 yrs is interesting!

IMO Joran's answer 'for what, for what' is even more interesting.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Suffer?:confused: (Beths' word)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I think it's prety obvious all the suspects who have been detained can't be guilty. What about them? <snip> It is not obvious to me. Even Dompig thought at leat five were involved.

MOO

[julianella]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Julia, there are three things you need to know.

1. Casinos don't extend credit to minors, and loan sharks don't lend money to minors, because they have no way to collect.

Neither is going to hope a 17 year old kid is going to be able to grab a tourist and sell her to cover his debts.

2. Adult women who are educated and have close family ties are just not in high demand in the sex trade industry. They represent too many problems. Better to stick with younger, poorer, uneducated kids whose families really don't give a damn.

If any body were going to put his rear in a sling and go after an 18 year old adult, with an education and a family, at a minimum, they would go after the most attractive one available. Realistically, Natalee would be no higher than 10th out of the MB group.

1. If Joran frequented there and he was known which I do believe it was said he was, then are you sure they would not extend credit to him? I mean they let him in to gamble, and they aren't supposed to do that!

2. A blond reported virgin... how many men would love to have a virgin again? And Amy Bradley was an adult, and there are beliefs she was taken into human trafficking! imo

Lets not forget Beth was Hitlers sister, so how was Joran to know what their relationship was like, and who's to say if he had a choice or not to go through with it.

Why was Lorenzo's name brought up? He has money right.. he knew Joran right? imo

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Joran's answer 'for what, for what' is even more interesting.

Oh yes and Jorans line "well you must have done wrong or you would not have lied"....lol and Joran did what again?

hmmm imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Let me be a little more specific.

If it turns out Natalee ran off, and Beth knew it from the beginning, what would you like to see done to make Beth suffer? 444 days of community service in Aruba.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella



Where did Joran get his money to gamble? We are not talking about 4 or 5 dollars here we are talking about at least a couple hundred that he was witnessed losing and came right back the next night to gamble again? WHere is this 17 year old unemployed student getting this money? Allowance.

MOO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It is not obvious to me. Even Dompig thought at leat five were involved.

MOO \
Five isn't even half, is it?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I find it disturbing that ANYONE was dragged off to jail suspected of murder. And I believe you're right .... it IS very disturbing for the family of that person .... INCLUDING the families of Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers.

I have never been to Aruba .... I've never really had any desire to go to Aruba. Not because of THIS case, however. I DO find it disturbing that an Island who depends on the tourist business, has their economy threatened by someone who is he!!-bent on DESTROYING them.

As has been mentioned before, so many times .... every state in this Country could be boycotted, if the ONLY reason for boycotting them was because of unsolved missing persons cases.

ETA .... Incidentally, would you SUPPORT a boycott of those States??

JMO

If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella


Does it cost money? No.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


I think there is a possibility that he could be aware of it!

No body no case didn't mean they won't find a DEAD body right, and if she is not dead then where is she? And why did they lie? And Joran says she could have been on Drugs and he left her alone on the beach, and he and Satish left in a hurry... so was the beach a drop? IMO

So now .... you're not agreeing with Beth, when she says Natalee was kidnapped, raped and murdered??

julia .... I have no idea where Natalee is, however, I think the possibility exists that she might have left voluntarily. I think that scenario exists JUST as much as any others. Despite what you say .... I feel there is proof that Beth thinks Natalee ran off voluntarily. I think that's indicated by the first posters, and I ALSO think it's indicated by their first visit to the VDS home. I believe they thought Natalee was THERE voluntarily .... and they came to bring her back home. There is absolutely no indication to me that they thought Natalee had been kidnapped. NONE.

I've already exhausted myself repeatedly trying to analyze their lies. I've acknowledged them .... that's all I can do. AGAIN, because they lied, doesn't mean the committed heinous crimes.

JMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Allowance.

MOO


$250 ALLOWANCE? WOW they must be rich....

Wait it would have to be more then that because he went out the next night too.....

IMO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


AGAIN, No Nic .... Other than trying to show Joran in a further bad light .... how does that prove he kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee??

I mean, I suppose, if we're going to delve into the lives of EVERY kid involved in this, we might see all KINDS of things which would surprise us.

I keep thinking about how it's constantly brought up how Joran "beat up" his brother. THAT makes me think of MY brother .... lol. It reminds me of the time, so long ago .... when my parents had bought me my first pair of "heels". My brother and I got into a fight .... lol, and he THREW one of my shoes at me, BREAKING the heel!!! ((It didn't hit me, but it hit the wall)) :eek: We STILL laugh about that often .... lol.

JMO


As long as there are posts that "Beth lies", there WILL be posts that Joran lies, Joran steals from his parents, Joran gambles illegally, Joran illegally uses alchohol (and maybe drugs), Joran is under the care of mental health professionals, etc. etc.

imo

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by julianella


1. If Joran frequented there and he was known which I do believe it was said he was, then are you sure they would not extend credit to him? I mean they let him in to gamble, and they aren't supposed to do that!

2. A blond reported virgin... how many men would love to have a virgin again? And Amy Bradley was an adult, and there are beliefs she was taken into human trafficking! imo

Lets not forget Beth was Hitlers sister, so how was Joran to know what their relationship was like, and who's to say if he had a choice or not to go through with it.

Why was Lorenzo's name brought up? He has money right.. he knew Joran right? imo
I'd really like to discuss this further, but I have to leave .

Try to stay away from the "what ifs" and "maybes". It makes for a more meaningful conversation.

Have a nice day.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella


Page 93 of Joe T filing, Joran was playing Blackjack, not a free tourn..... and he was witnessed by Watson as "betting a lot of money"...


Whatley observed Joran lose Approx $250... so where dis this money come from, and Guido, hmm why is he a suspect?

ANd even if Joran won $150, he ended up losin $250...... where did the other hundred come from? And again he went out the very next night....where did that money come from?

I wonder how a 17 year old unemployed student who's fathere doesn't give him money to gamble has money to gamble?

imo Guido was a dealer.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


The money is an issue because we know by Jorans own admission he liked to gamble and drink, at the bar and you have to pay for boh. Deepak had a job... Joran didn't... how did he afford that much. I can see buying drinks on an allowance, but going to a casino and losing over $200 and going back the Next night? I know many people who have real jobs that would not blow that much unless they were on vacation.... and he was not on vacation... he was still in school, getting ready for finals!

imo

julia .... Is it enough to say the money ISN'T an issue for me??

ETA .... As I said .... you're asking questions which can't possibly be answered by posters. We may THINK we know everything, but we don't .... lol

JMO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I guess I can be counted in that "handfull of posters" ((which I think is a lot MORE than a handfull, incidentally)). Can you answer something for me though .... How do you explain the fact the Prosecutor in this case says there is no evidence Joran et al committed any crimes?? Can you explain that to me??

JMO

I can no way explain that prosecutor in aruba than I could fly!
she talks out of the both sides of her mouth.
first she's dissapointed that they are released then she says no evidence? I have yet to hear anything from HER so maybe we are all to quick to judge, dunno!

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


So now .... you're not agreeing with Beth, when she says Natalee was kidnapped, raped and murdered??

julia .... I have no idea where Natalee is, however, I think the possibility exists that she might have left voluntarily. I think that scenario exists JUST as much as any others. Despite what you say .... I feel there is proof that Beth thinks Natalee ran off voluntarily. I think that's indicated by the first posters, and I ALSO think it's indicated by their first visit to the VDS home. I believe they thought Natalee was THERE voluntarily .... and they came to bring her back home. There is absolutely no indication to me that they thought Natalee had been kidnapped. NONE.

I've already exhausted myself repeatedly trying to analyze their lies. I've acknowledged them .... that's all I can do. AGAIN, because they lied, doesn't mean the committed heinous crimes.

JMO

Well if she was sold into sex slavery, then she was kidnapped and raped.... and by know could have been murdered!

I have seen absolutely NO evidence that a 18 year old drunk girl in flip flops a mini skirt and tank could walk on water to escape a life of Love, support, and life!

WHere and when did the drunk vacationer plan this great escape? How would the drunk girl carry it out?

Why would the suspects CONTINUE to lie AFTER they were already found out? after the original lie why did the lies continue to come out? Hmmm Couldn't be embarresment cause everyone knew he left her in the beach, can't be fear cause he snuck out cause everyone already knew that, what was his excuse for that one?

imo

[julianella]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I'd really like to discuss this further, but I have to leave .

Try to stay away from the "what ifs" and "maybes". It makes for a more meaningful conversation.

Have a nice day.

Later Gregor have a great weekend!

[julianella]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Guido was a dealer.

MOO

So did he rig it for Joran his pal to win?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Assuming Joran was gambling every night for the past five years, what would that have to do with Natalee's disappearance? If he owed $50,000 maybe he could clear his debt with a beautiful American woman.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it.

Heyes .... Come on .... realistically neither you nor I have any idea what goes on in every LE Dept. in the States.

I would think PART of the reason the Prosecutor was unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person, was because they couldn't keep their MOUTHS shut!!!! Come on .... let's get REAL here. Beth was on SOME cable TV show NIGHTLY. How do you think the Prosecutor could TELL her what was going on in this investigation?? Beth was DISCUSSING it before the world!!! I can understand perfectly why the Prosecutor was unwilling to talk to them. THAT'S a "no-brainer" ....

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


No, according to everyone, (except a handful of posters), all roads lead to J2K. Not to beth, not even close to beth, nothing, nothing leads anyone to believe Natalee "ran away" everything leads to Joran knowing what happened. All roads lead to Steve Croes. There is no road from GVC to Joran.

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

wow. Do you think his name is Simple Simon? How could it be, he had the entire case file in front of him. As did the panel of 3 judges who took the appeal.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Let's not forget the fact that it was also Joran's High School Graduation at that time. I know my son, between grandparents, godparents, aunts, uncles and friends of the family, received over $850.00 when he graduated high school.

:) Will you adopt me?:hat:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


So did he rig it for Joran his pal to win? The pit boss would not allow that to happen.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


I can no way explain that prosecutor in aruba than I could fly!
she talks out of the both sides of her mouth.
first she's dissapointed that they are released then she says no evidence? I have yet to hear anything from HER so maybe we are all to quick to judge, dunno! She was determined to railroad the vdSloots but thankfully the judges wouldn't stand for it.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Twist and spin.................YES, it does speak alot about you...not an opinion, a FACT. Now drop to the floor and *scream with laughter* again, it looks so good on you !! :D *screams with laughter*

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


AGAIN, fairmaiden, what does constantly posting "Beth lies" have any bearing on the disappearance of Natalee. The good ol' double standard at work AGAIN.

As long as there are posts that "Beth lies", there WILL be posts that Joran lies, Joran steals from his parents, Joran gambles illegally, Joran illegally uses alchohol (and maybe drugs), Joran is under the care of mental health professionals, etc. etc.

imo Don't forget the MB children did the EXACT same thing.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


So did he rig it for Joran his pal to win?

julia .... Even if he DID .... does that prove Joran committed any crime??

I wonder how many dealers in casinos HERE might "rig it" for their friends to win??? ((Before anyone says anything .... I'm not offering that as any fact)).

JMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Don't forget the MB children did the EXACT same thing.

The differene being they were on vacation Joran wasn't! imo

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


julia .... Even if he DID .... does that prove Joran committed any crime??

I wonder how many dealers in casinos HERE might "rig it" for their friends to win??? ((Before anyone says anything .... I'm not offering that as any fact)).

JMO

Isn't cheating in a casino a crime?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it. The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things. Not to mention she was under no obligation to divulge anything.

No prosecutor in the USA will divulge details of an investigation either. Beth had no right to demand to know what they were doing and was rightfully told to go pound sand. The FBI won't tell her anything either and banned her from the Aruban delegation meetings, want to go on and on about them to?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... Come on .... realistically neither you nor I have any idea what goes on in every LE Dept. in the States.

I would think PART of the reason the Prosecutor was unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person, was because they couldn't keep their MOUTHS shut!!!! Come on .... let's get REAL here. Beth was on SOME cable TV show NIGHTLY. How do you think the Prosecutor could TELL her what was going on in this investigation?? Beth was DISCUSSING it before the world!!! I can understand perfectly why the Prosecutor was unwilling to talk to them. THAT'S a "no-brainer" ....

JMO



Great post... man I can think of quite a few cases right here in the good old U.S. of A.. that has almost come out on the nightly news and accused parents of wrong doing in their childs disappearance.. and have not been overly cooperative in helping them... so we can't say that it doesn't happen here in the states..

Alot of balls have been dropped recently in child murder cases.. and if they hadn't been dropped some of these children would possibly still be alive...

And GREAT POINT FM.. about the nightly blabbering... I can't imagine anyone dealing with the investigation wanting to tell the family anything of importance for fear of jeopardizing their case.. which obviously IMO happened anyway...

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


The differene being they were on vacation Joran wasn't! imo They weren't on vaca, and even if they were - big deal!

[dinojen]

Originally posted by julianella


Isn't cheating in a casino a crime?



More than likely...but I would bet cold hard cash it's done on a daily basis.. not the biggie is if you are caught...:tongue:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


Isn't cheating in a casino a crime?

LOL julia .... No matter what anyone says .... You're PRICELESS!!!! LOLOL I SWEAR to you, AFTER I posted, I KNEW you were going to come back with something like this.

I meant .... the fact he MIGHT have "cheated at the casino" really has nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance .... does it??

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Isn't cheating in a casino a crime? Is it in Aruba?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Don't forget the MB children did the EXACT same thing.

Link to where the MBs are under the care of mental health professionals, lie constantly, steal from their parent and gamble illegally.

There are some activities that all teens partake in, but not all teens partake in the same activities as Joran Van der Sloot, thank the Good Lord for that.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Will you adopt me?:hat: If you do windows and baseboards, I will. :biggrin:

[dinojen]

Originally posted by julianella


The differene being they were on vacation Joran wasn't! imo



Sooooooooooooooo your trying to say the MB "top knotch children" were only drinking because they were on vacation????

And gambling ... on because they were on vacation??? Of course they were gambling because it was legal there for the majority of them... can't do that here in the states.. it's ILLEGAL.. just like drinking..

But heck ... we all know they do that at home too... so what's your point..

Obviously teens in the states do the same thing teens in Aruba do...:shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella


His mom was out of town so when did he have the party? Who would he inherit $$ from? Was there a recent death? A gift for what?

This is not the first time he was in a casino... so what about the other times? How much would a 17 year old who goes out clubbing, and gambling and has no job save up? $871:hat:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Link to where the MBs are under the care of mental health professionals, lie constantly, steal from their parent and gamble illegally.

There are some activities that all teens partake in, but not all teens partake in the same activities as Joran Van der Sloot, thank the Good Lord for that.

imo Just read their various statements.

And thank God not all teens partake in the same activities as what the MB children do. ((((shudder))))

[No Nic]

Originally posted by julianella


Isn't cheating in a casino a crime?

Is anything a crime in Aruba :shrug:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by dinojen




Great post... man I can think of quite a few cases right here in the good old U.S. of A.. that has almost come out on the nightly news and accused parents of wrong doing in their childs disappearance.. and have not been overly cooperative in helping them... so we can't say that it doesn't happen here in the states..

Alot of balls have been dropped recently in child murder cases.. and if they hadn't been dropped some of these children would possibly still be alive...

And GREAT POINT FM.. about the nightly blabbering... I can't imagine anyone dealing with the investigation wanting to tell the family anything of importance for fear of jeopardizing their case.. which obviously IMO happened anyway...

Hi jen .... :seeya:

I so agree with you .... this investigation WAS jeopardized partly DUE to the "nightly blabbering" .... ((I LIKE that .... lol)).

JMO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things.
<snipped>

I will take a link to this statement also, since you state it as FACT.

edited: to snip a little more. :D

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic


Link to where the MBs are under the care of mental health professionals, lie constantly, steal from their parent and gamble illegally.

There are some activities that all teens partake in, but not all teens partake in the same activities as Joran Van der Sloot, thank the Good Lord for that.

imo


Can you provide a actual LINK.. a proven LINK.. not from a blog.. or a supposed OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT.... of what you are saying Joran has done is factual.. I doubt it...

I will give you the gambling... whether it's free or not.. that's a given.. so you can have that one..

Prove the other things you claim with a RELIABLE LINK..

Doubt there is one...

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


LOL julia .... No matter what anyone says .... You're PRICELESS!!!! LOLOL I SWEAR to you, AFTER I posted, I KNEW you were going to come back with something like this.

I meant .... the fact he MIGHT have "cheated at the casino" really has nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance .... does it??

JMO

No

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Is anything a crime in Aruba :shrug: No, they made up reasons for suspicion on all the arrests and the prison is full of homeless people needing a bed for the night. :rolleyes:

[julianella]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
$871:hat:

lol:biggrin:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Just read their various statements.

And thank God not all teens partake in the same activities as what the MB children do. ((((shudder))))

Link, please, you are stating a fact and need to back it up. The ((((shuddering)))) should be about what happens on "Keystone Kop Island", not what a few "normal" teens do in MB.

imo

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by julianella


So did he rig it for Joran his pal to win?

I take it you haven't been to many casinos. There are cameras over every table and in the security room there are casino managers watching everything that happens at every table. In addition the cards are changed every couple of hours, and every time they're changed a different color deck is used.

:)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by dinojen



Can you provide a actual LINK.. a proven LINK.. not from a blog.. or a supposed OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT.... of what you are saying Joran has done is factual.. I doubt it...

I will give you the gambling... whether it's free or not.. that's a given.. so you can have that one..

Prove the other things you claim with a RELIABLE LINK..

Doubt there is one...

What do you consider a "reliable link" ? Links provided by Natalee supporters are spun, twisted, ridiculed, denied and *screams with laughter*. So, please tell me what is a credible link to you people? A link to one of your own posts ? :tongue:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back
\
Five isn't even half, is it? Maybe Beth can establish a fund for the SGs and get them removed as suspects, the 5 will be more than half.:hat:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it. Colorado.

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I will take a link to this statement also, since you state it as FACT.

edited: to snip a little more. :D That's because it is a FACT:


While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html

TWITTY:...And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

TWITTY:...But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes...
(quote is incorrectly attributed to RENFRO in the link)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Link, please, you are stating a fact and need to back it up. The ((((shuddering)))) should be about what happens on "Keystone Kop Island", not what a few "normal" teens do in MB.

imo *L*M*A*O*

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Will you adopt me?:hat:

Only if you've already graduated college, I'm tried of paying tuition.

;)

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Only if you've already graduated college, I'm tried of paying tuition.

;)

LOL ....

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic


What do you consider a "reliable link" ? Links provided by Natalee supporters are spun, twisted, ridiculed, denied and *screams with laughter*. So, please tell me what is a credible link to you people? A link to one of your own posts ? :tongue:


Gee... I don't have a link that proves Joran in under medical health evaluation, or that he is a liar or for that matter that he steals from his parents...

I think that info came from "supposed actual documents".. I believe these are the ones that are unsigned... and I would hope to think that medical ethics would apply so as any personal info wouldn't be posted on a blog regarding anyones mental health.. as for the money being stolen... ahhh another comment taken from I believe those much discussed "statements"...

Whole thing is baloney... IMO

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Only if you've already graduated college, I'm tried of paying tuition.

;)

Sorry for the typo. I meant tired.

:eek:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
That's because it is a FACT:


While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html

TWITTY:...And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

TWITTY:...But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes...
(quote is incorrectly attributed to RENFRO in the link)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Your OP specifically refered to the Prosecutor:


OP by nascarmon
"The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things."


None of your provided links support that statement and only one of them even mentions the prosecutor. Did you forget to provide the link that "quotes" the prosecutor as making this statement?? Did you hear her make this statement??
(YOU must be held to the same "link" standards that YOU demand of others).

[redjetta]

Originally posted by feelings

wow. Do you think his name is Simple Simon?

What are you talking about?

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


Again who died? You inherit when someone dies right?

And don't you think his family would have mentioned a party... WAIT Anita did mention it, she said and I posted the link so you can do a search.... she said He was almost graduted and it was ALMOST party time.....

So I guess that would mean he didn't have his party yet! He still had to pass finals remember to graduate! imo

Do you know the ENTIRE history of the Vandersloot family? I certainly don't I was merely speculating just like everyone else.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by dinojen



Gee... I don't have a link that proves Joran in under medical health evaluation, or that he is a liar or for that matter that he steals from his parents...

I think that info came from "supposed actual documents".. I believe these are the ones that are unsigned... and I would hope to think that medical ethics would apply so as any personal info wouldn't be posted on a blog regarding anyones mental health.. as for the money being stolen... ahhh another comment taken from I believe those much discussed "statements"...

Whole thing is baloney... IMO And we're supposed to model ourselves after the MB children who were asked not to return to the HI ever, who played musical beds while in Aruba, who had the cops called on them at the spring break house, who party so hard at home they had to make new legislation. (((shudder)))moo

[dinojen]

Originally posted by nascarmom
And we're supposed to model ourselves after the MB children who were asked not to return to the HI ever, who played musical beds while in Aruba, who had the cops called on them at the spring break house, who party so hard at home they had to make new legislation. (((shudder)))moo



Silly me... I forgot about the spring break house... didn't they get evicted from that little weekend stay...loved the picture of the sheriff car...

Yeah... I tell ya... those "top knotch children" are so far above anything that the teens on Aruba or most likely anywhere else do... talk about free passes....:rolleyes:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic



Your OP specifically refered to the Prosecutor:


OP by nascarmon
"The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things."


None of your provided links support that statement and only one of them even mentions the prosecutor. Did you forget to provide the link that "quotes" the prosecutor as making this statement?? Did you hear her make this statement??
(YOU must be held to the same "link" standards that YOU demand of others). I provided links, but I can understand why you would be unwilling to believe anything Beth has to say.

I didn't directly quote the Prosecutor, nor did I say she stated anything, so I don't need to provide a link to her saying anything :read:

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


The money is an issue because we know by Jorans own admission he liked to gamble and drink, at the bar and you have to pay for boh. Deepak had a job... Joran didn't... how did he afford that much. I can see buying drinks on an allowance, but going to a casino and losing over $200 and going back the Next night? I know many people who have real jobs that would not blow that much unless they were on vacation.... and he was not on vacation... he was still in school, getting ready for finals!

imo

Those "people" that you know don't like to blow that much money (like myself) because they have bills,mortgages,have to pay for grocerys, etc. When I was a teen with no car payments, no credit cards, etc I used my entire pay checks on clothes. I guess to each their own.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by redjetta


Those "people" that you know don't like to blow that much money (like myself) because they have bills,mortgages,have to pay for grocerys, etc. When I was a teen with no car payments, no credit cards, etc I used my entire pay checks on clothes. I guess to each their own.



Helllooooooooooo are you my daughter....lol...

And I'm not that old...but man she got paid and it was off to shop...

Now that she has rent, car payment.. cc bills...hmmmm no more buying those 7 jeans and Madden shoes... ahhhh welcome to the real world my child..

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I provided links, but I can understand why you would be unwilling to believe anything Beth has to say.

I didn't directly quote the Prosecutor, nor did I say she stated anything, so I don't need to provide a link to her saying anything :read:

Who made this statement then? The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave

The post had your name attached to it and did not distinquish it as IMO, MOO or JMO :shrug:

Okay, I understand, it was JYO (as in JUST YOUR OPINION).

[cassidy]

Originally posted by redjetta


What are you talking about?

It's probably best not to ask :)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by dinojen

Helllooooooooooo are you my daughter....lol...

And I'm not that old...but man she got paid and it was off to shop...

Now that she has rent, car payment.. cc bills...hmmmm no more buying those 7 jeans and Madden shoes... ahhhh welcome to the real world my child..
I'm not really complaining, but my wife was the manager of better women's clothing in a department store the years our daughter was in high school and college. There were months her earnings didn't cover the clothing and cosmetics charges.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Who made this statement then? The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave

The post had your name attached to it and did not distinquish it as IMO, MOO or JMO :shrug:

Okay, I understand, it was JYO (as in JUST YOUR OPINION).

Beth did :read:

No, it's fact, unless Beth is lying about this too.

[redjetta]

Originally posted by dinojen




Helllooooooooooo are you my daughter....lol...

And I'm not that old...but man she got paid and it was off to shop...

Now that she has rent, car payment.. cc bills...hmmmm no more buying those 7 jeans and Madden shoes... ahhhh welcome to the real world my child..

Thats how I feel now I am 22 with a mortgage & I am not used to being broke! It is perfectly normal for a teen to blow money on frivolous things because when you have nothing to pay for then instead of saving (I wish I did) you have fun.

imo

[redjetta]

Originally posted by cassidy


It's probably best not to ask :)

I think your right ;)

[redjetta]

Originally posted by No Nic


Who made this statement then? The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave

The post had your name attached to it and did not distinquish it as IMO, MOO or JMO :shrug:

Okay, I understand, it was JYO (as in JUST YOUR OPINION).

Your right the prosecutor talks to JQK not Beth & Dave but thats why they hired him.
imo

[feelings]

Originally posted by redjetta


What are you talking about?
I don´t know how you can dismiss CE just some guy you know nothing about on some distant island does. Just because he is a JUDGE I guess. How authoritarian.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Beth did :read:

No, it's fact, unless Beth is lying about this too.

Beth made that exact statement?? I haven't seen it. :confused:

Oh, concerning this instance, Beth is stating "facts" and not lying. Now I am really confused :confused:

How do you determine if she is lying or telling the truth ?? She tells the truth when it fits your views? or she only lies "sometimes"? or she only lies about Joran? Dompig? Paulus? Anita?

All of the above??

[julianella]

Originally posted by redjetta


Those "people" that you know don't like to blow that much money (like myself) because they have bills,mortgages,have to pay for grocerys, etc. When I was a teen with no car payments, no credit cards, etc I used my entire pay checks on clothes. I guess to each their own.

Key words are you used your PAYCHECK... Joran was not working!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I'm not really complaining, but my wife was the manager of better women's clothing in a department store the years our daughter was in high school and college. There were months her earnings didn't cover the clothing and cosmetics charges. OMG are you my BIL???? :eek:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella



$250 ALLOWANCE? WOW they must be rich....

Wait it would have to be more then that because he went out the next night too.....

IMO Do you think he always loses?

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


Key words are you used your PAYCHECK... Joran was not working!

Like I said before we have NO idea if Joran had is own money or not

imo

[feelings]

Originally posted by redjetta


I think your right ;)
too late. I don´t know how you can justify believing something is not relevant just because a judge says it isn´t.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by redjetta


Thats how I feel now I am 22 with a mortgage & I am not used to being broke! It is perfectly normal for a teen to blow money on frivolous things because when you have nothing to pay for then instead of saving (I wish I did) you have fun.

imo


OMG sweetie pie.. you could be my daughter...lmbo.. that's how old she is...

Ahhhhhhh too funny... all of a sudden to no more MAC makeup.. unless Mom happens to be shopping with her..lol.. funny how your priorities change when you have bills to pay...

She did inform me though that they sell 7 jeans at TJ Max now.. but their seconds... (like that makes a difference for the way jeans are sold these days with tears and rips and whatever)...

Sorry for OT...

Back to arguing. .... or should I say discussing...;)

[julianella]

Originally posted by redjetta


Like I said before we have NO idea if Joran had is own money or not

imo

And like I said where did he get that kind of money.

We are not talking about a one night binge... he was gambling all day, went to the club that night, and the very next night was back out gambling. He admits he likes to gamble, and he likes to go to the bar, now again, with no job can his parents REALLY afford to pay him that much?

Lets not forget he is not an only child!

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by julianella


So did he rig it for Joran his pal to win? I think so. It was discovered. Guido went to Holland and fought to stay there.

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Beth made that exact statement?? I haven't seen it. :confused:

Oh, concerning this instance, Beth is stating "facts" and not lying. Now I am really confused :confused:

How do you determine if she is lying or telling the truth ?? She tells the truth when it fits your views? or she only lies "sometimes"? or she only lies about Joran? Dompig? Paulus? Anita?

All of the above?? Did I directly quote her?

Her atty pretty much affirmed the Prosecutor was not conversing with H/T.

Unless of course there is some OTHER reason besides the heated exchange that made the prosecutor cut them off, I wouldn't put it past Beth to lie about the reason.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The pit boss would not allow that to happen. Does the pit boss know Joran is the godfather?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I think so. It was discovered. Guido went to Holland and fought to stay there.

MOO



LMBO... I would fight to stay there too for the way people were being hauled in and kept for whatever reason...

Being Guido also I believe was in training.. or was new at the job.. will have to check back.. I highly doubt someone would jeopardize their job to cheat so their friend could win...and from what has been found out.. they weren't friends.. they were known to be acquainted with each other.. didn't even attend the same school...

More speculation.. that starts on a message board.. that before long will be known as fact...:shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

too late. I don´t know how you can justify believing something is not relevant just because a judge says it isn´t. Well geee, he does have ALL the facts and it makes more sense to believe him (or them in this case) than justifying believing something is not relevant just because BETH says it isn't.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


Who made this statement then? The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave

The post had your name attached to it and did not distinquish it as IMO, MOO or JMO :shrug:

Okay, I understand, it was JYO (as in JUST YOUR OPINION).

No Nic .... I BELIEVE that subject came up when Heyes posted the following .... in response to a post of mine .... I THINK that's the first time.

Heyes
Member

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: all posts are my own opinion
Posts: 939

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I find it disturbing that ANYONE was dragged off to jail suspected of murder. And I believe you're right .... it IS very disturbing for the family of that person .... INCLUDING the families of Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers.

I have never been to Aruba .... I've never really had any desire to go to Aruba. Not because of THIS case, however. I DO find it disturbing that an Island who depends on the tourist business, has their economy threatened by someone who is he!!-bent on DESTROYING them.

As has been mentioned before, so many times .... every state in this Country could be boycotted, if the ONLY reason for boycotting them was because of unsolved missing persons cases.

ETA .... Incidentally, would you SUPPORT a boycott of those States??

JMO
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it.

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Does the pit boss know Joran is the godfather? If he is the one found burned in the cave, he does now :eek:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Did I directly quote her?

Her atty pretty much affirmed the Prosecutor was not conversing with H/T.

Unless of course there is some OTHER reason besides the heated exchange that made the prosecutor cut them off, I wouldn't put it past Beth to lie about the reason.

I don't believe you quoted her, but you are sure attributing the statement to her with nothing to back it up except your opinion and her atty "pretty much affirmed" (LOL).

I believe there was "some OTHER" reason(s) for the prosecutor to cut them off and it isn't pretty.

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


No Nic .... I BELIEVE that subject came up when Heyes posted the following .... in response to a post of mine .... I THINK that's the first time.

Heyes
Member

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: all posts are my own opinion
Posts: 939

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by fairmaiden


Heyes .... I find it disturbing that ANYONE was dragged off to jail suspected of murder. And I believe you're right .... it IS very disturbing for the family of that person .... INCLUDING the families of Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers.

I have never been to Aruba .... I've never really had any desire to go to Aruba. Not because of THIS case, however. I DO find it disturbing that an Island who depends on the tourist business, has their economy threatened by someone who is he!!-bent on DESTROYING them.

As has been mentioned before, so many times .... every state in this Country could be boycotted, if the ONLY reason for boycotting them was because of unsolved missing persons cases.

ETA .... Incidentally, would you SUPPORT a boycott of those States??

JMO
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



If I saw anyone treated the way Beth and family have been treated in aruba you bet your butt I'd avoid that state but... when have you EVER seen anything like this in the states.
The aruba police? blame games. prosecutor unwilling to talk to the parents of the missing person. the list goes on and on and we all know it.

JMO Here ya go No Nic.

[redjetta]

Originally posted by feelings

I don´t know how you can dismiss CE just some guy you know nothing about on some distant island does. Just because he is a JUDGE I guess. How authoritarian.

CE is that J2K lied - Yes in this case I will trust "some guy" from a distant island who happens to be a judge, just as thought you believe some guy from some distant island with no criminal history kidnapped, raped, & murdered someone because they lied.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't believe you quoted her, but you are sure attributing the statement to her with nothing to back it up except your opinion and her atty "pretty much affirmed" (LOL).

I believe there was "some OTHER" reason(s) for the prosecutor to cut them off and it isn't pretty.

IMO Actually Heyes said it and I repeated it and gave the reason why, which was based on what Beth said.

You gunna go after Heyes for a link now?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by feelings

too late. I don´t know how you can justify believing something is not relevant just because a judge says it isn´t.

feelings .... I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to relate. I suppose it would be something like accepting the verdict of a jury, in THIS country. I might not agree with their verdict .... but I have little choice.

Just as an example .... I didn't agree with the verdict in the OJ Simpson case .... what recourse did I have??

JMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by julianella


And like I said where did he get that kind of money.

We are not talking about a one night binge... he was gambling all day, went to the club that night, and the very next night was back out gambling. He admits he likes to gamble, and he likes to go to the bar, now again, with no job can his parents REALLY afford to pay him that much?

Lets not forget he is not an only child!

imo

LIKE I SAID :shrug: - JUST SPECULATING AS YOU ARE

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

I don´t know how you can dismiss CE just some guy you know nothing about on some distant island does. Just because he is a JUDGE I guess. How authoritarian. What CE?

Yes, the judge is the final authority in the matter, not some posters on a message board who don't even know or understand Dutch Law.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Here ya go No Nic. You going to harass Heyes for a link now?

Heyes did not say:

"The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave ."
because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things.

And I did not say that I disagreed that the pros. did not talk to the family, I disagreed with what you stated as the reason for her not speaking to them.

I totally agree with Heyes's post. I totally disagree with yours. It is what it is.

imo

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


Beth made that exact statement?? I haven't seen it. :confused:

Oh, concerning this instance, Beth is stating "facts" and not lying. Now I am really confused :confused:

How do you determine if she is lying or telling the truth ?? She tells the truth when it fits your views? or she only lies "sometimes"? or she only lies about Joran? Dompig? Paulus? Anita?

All of the above??

No Nic .... I see you refer to what you call a "double standard" many times. Do you not agree it applies to EVERYONE who posts?? You believe Dompig in SOME things he says .... you are relying on Joran's "statements" now, even though you've said you can't believe anything he says.

I think we are ALL guilty of that .... not just a certain faction of the messageboard.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by julianella


And like I said where did he get that kind of money.

We are not talking about a one night binge... he was gambling all day, went to the club that night, and the very next night was back out gambling. He admits he likes to gamble, and he likes to go to the bar, now again, with no job can his parents REALLY afford to pay him that much?

Lets not forget he is not an only child!

imo

I think Luke ((I think it was Luke)) make a great point, julia. Did Joran always LOSE ??

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Only if you've already graduated college, I'm tried of paying tuition.

;) I wonder what tuition is for Joran?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I think Luke ((I think it was Luke)) make a great point, julia. Did Joran always LOSE ??

JMO



Maybe she meant he spent his "winnings" on drinking.. that explains how he could go from gambling to the bars...:biggrin:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Heyes did not say:

"The Prosecutor is unwilling to talk to Beth and Jug and Dave ."
because of the uncanny way things get heated when they are discussing things.

And I did not say that I disagreed that the pros. did not talk to the family, I disagreed with what you stated as the reason for her not speaking to them.

I totally agree with Heyes's post. I totally disagree with yours. It is what it is.

imo

I already gave you links of why she's not talking to them, not much I can do about it if you don't believe Beth.

ETA:
TWITTY...And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


No Nic .... I see you refer to what you call a "double standard" many times. Do you not agree it applies to EVERYONE who posts?? You believe Dompig in SOME things he says .... you are relying on Joran's "statements" now, even though you've said you can't believe anything he says.

I think we are ALL guilty of that .... not just a certain faction of the messageboard.

JMO

Well, ya see, fair, I have always said there is some truth to every lie, a stab at making it more believable, imo.

I don't think Joran lies ALL THE TIME (as has been said about Beth). I do believe he lies when he is speaking about Natalee Holloway.

Did he lie before Natalee ?? Probably, some of the time. Does he still lie today? Probably, some of the time and most likely all the time, when he is speaking about his involvement in Natalee Holloways disappearance.

imo

[forensicpsy]

"Peter De Witte New Police Chief of Aruba"


http://www.amigoe.com/english

Thursday, August 17th

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Well, ya see, fair, I have always said there is some truth to every lie, a stab at making it more believable, imo.

I don't think Joran lies ALL THE TIME (as has been said about Beth). I do believe he lies when he is speaking about Natalee Holloway.

Did he lie before Natalee ?? Probably, some of the time. Does he still lie today? Probably, some of the time and most likely all the time, when he is speaking about his involvement in Natalee Holloways disappearance.

imo Well then prove it and claim the reward money!

[redjetta]

Originally posted by dinojen



OMG sweetie pie.. you could be my daughter...lmbo.. that's how old she is...

Ahhhhhhh too funny... all of a sudden to no more MAC makeup.. unless Mom happens to be shopping with her..lol.. funny how your priorities change when you have bills to pay...

She did inform me though that they sell 7 jeans at TJ Max now.. but their seconds... (like that makes a difference for the way jeans are sold these days with tears and rips and whatever)...

Sorry for OT...

Back to arguing. .... or should I say discussing...;)

LoL
I too can't go shopping as often as I would like :mad: but I didnt give up my mac I found a really good outlet. Sorry for the o/t :seeya:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I think Luke ((I think it was Luke)) make a great point, julia. Did Joran always LOSE ??

JMO No, he was Ruth's lucky charm for winning back money for her.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by redjetta


LoL
I too can't go shopping as often as I would like :mad: but I didnt give up my mac I found a really good outlet. Sorry for the o/t :seeya:


OMG where...is it available on line... please say yes...lol..
It will save me money...:hat: because I'm a easy hit when she wants something...lol

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No, he was Ruth's lucky charm for winning back money for her.

Charles Croes said that Joran said he was Natalee's lucky charm.


moo

[redjetta]

Originally posted by dinojen



OMG where...is it available on line... please say yes...lol..
It will save me money...:hat: because I'm a easy hit when she wants something...lol

Its called the Cosmetic co (I believe) but no its not online sorry. They have some in Off Saks Fifth Ave. check there

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Well then prove it and claim the reward money!

If I could prove it, I wouldn't need reward money as an incentive.

It is my hope that one of the people involved or one of the people who have the knowledge will develope a conscience and talk without regard to the reward. Although, if this were to happen, I would not have a problem with them claiming the reward, if they were not directly involved with the actual disappearance of Natalee.


imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Charles Croes said that Joran said he was Natalee's lucky charm.


moo Except Joran wasn't describing Natalee :read:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


If I could prove it, I wouldn't need reward money as an incentive.

It is my hope that one of the people involved or one of the people who have the knowledge will develope a conscience and talk without regard to the reward. Although, if this were to happen, I would not have a problem with them claiming the reward, if they were not directly involved with the actual disappearance of Natalee.


imo I didn't say you need an incentive.

Hopefully the next person to come forward won't be a Jossy witness :rolleyes:

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Except Joran wasn't describing Natalee :read:

She lost money gambling and he won it back for her. Then she considered him her lucky charm. This is what c Croes said Joran said about Natalee.



moo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Charles Croes said that Joran said he was Natalee's lucky charm.


moo I think there was a mix up because Joran was attracted to Kath.


MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


She lost money gambling and he won it back for her. Then she considered him her lucky charm. This is what c Croes said Joran said about Natalee.



moo Except that wasn't Natalee :read:

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by forensicpsy
"Peter De Witte New Police Chief of Aruba"


http://www.amigoe.com/english

Thursday, August 17th
How come nobody is slamming Ronny Bernadina? Is he a close friend, or a relative of Paulus van der Sloot.

There must be some hanky panky because he's certainly managed to keep a low profile.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Except that wasn't Natalee :read:

Your right.. that wasn't Natalee... it was her friend...can't think of which one of the "children" it was though...

[dinojen]

Originally posted by redjetta


Its called the Cosmetic co (I believe) but no its not online sorry. They have some in Off Saks Fifth Ave. check there


Thanks for the heads up...gonna google... brb...:D

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

How come nobody is slamming Ronny Bernadina? Is he a close friend, or a relative of Paulus van der Sloot.

There must be some hanky panky because he's certainly managed to keep a low profile. Doesn't the side of the 'moving van' that was photographed at the vdSloot home say 'Bernadina'? :biggrin:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by dinojen


Your right.. that wasn't Natalee... it was her friend...can't think of which one of the "children" it was though... I think it was Ruth.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Link to where the MBs are under the care of mental health professionals, lie constantly, steal from their parent and gamble illegally.

There are some activities that all teens partake in, but not all teens partake in the same activities as Joran Van der Sloot, thank the Good Lord for that.

imo


Joe T's filing. Two of the students admitted in their 302's that they were in the casino and you can see by their birthdates that they were not 18. Those same two admitted being in C&C's and drinking too.

[feelings]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Well geee, he does have ALL the facts and it makes more sense to believe him (or them in this case) than justifying believing something is not relevant just because BETH says it isn't.
maybe he has a selective perception? Maybe he hates women or Americans? You have no information about this guy, and too much about Beth. I guess that´s how you manage to idealize him.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Beth made that exact statement?? I haven't seen it. :confused:

Oh, concerning this instance, Beth is stating "facts" and not lying. Now I am really confused :confused:

How do you determine if she is lying or telling the truth ?? She tells the truth when it fits your views? or she only lies "sometimes"? or she only lies about Joran? Dompig? Paulus? Anita?

All of the above??


Maybe the same way you determine when Dompig or Julia or Joe T or anyone on the defense side is lying? :rolleyes:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Joe T's filing. Two of the students admitted in their 302's that they were in the casino and you can see by their birthdates that they were not 18. Those same two admitted being in C&C's and drinking too.

You're late, lol

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Maybe the same way you determine when Dompig or Julia or Joe T or anyone on the defense side is lying? :rolleyes:

You're late, again. :D

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


You're late, lol


No I'm not. There is your proof that the MB kids commit illegal activities too...and it came straight from their own mouths.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

maybe he has a selective perception? Maybe he hates women or Americans? You have no information about this guy, and too much about Beth. I guess that´s how you manage to idealize him. How horrible of me to idealize someone who applies the LAW based on the law and not emotions or irrelevant factors of gender or Nationality.

Why would I need any info on any of the judges? Have you seen the requirements to get a judgeship? If you have issues with the judge(s) perhaps you should notify the Queen since she appoints all of them.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


You're late, again. :D


I didn't think you would be able to answer that one.

[feelings]

Originally posted by redjetta


CE is that J2K lied - Yes in this case I will trust "some guy" from a distant island who happens to be a judge, just as thought you believe some guy from some distant island with no criminal history kidnapped, raped, & murdered someone because they lied.

imo
it´s pretty weird that you would trust a judge from a distant island more than a fellow American. Maybe it´s just convenient. Or so easy. You can just take his word for it because he is a judge. You don´t have to think and decide for yourself. You know what I believe? How come?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I didn't think you would be able to answer that one.
'you're late'....????... what does that mean? Is there a time limit on responding to posts? :shrug:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

'you're late'....????... what does that mean? Is there a time limit on responding to posts? :shrug:


Maybe it is only mentioned in the TOS on No Nic's computer? Because it wasn't mentioned in the TOS I read. :shrug:

[redjetta]

Originally posted by feelings

it´s pretty weird that you would trust a judge from a distant island more than a fellow American. Maybe it´s just convenient. Or so easy. You can just take his word for it because he is a judge. You don´t have to think and decide for yourself. You know what I believe? How come?

I don't think that it's weird at all & by the way I DID/DO THINK & MADE UP MY OWN MIND thank you & I continue to. Just because someone is American doesnt mean that I will always side with them to me that would be letting someone make up my mind for me. Also I view that as a form of descrimination which does not fly with me!

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

it´s pretty weird that you would trust a judge from a distant island more than a fellow American. Maybe it´s just convenient. Or so easy. You can just take his word for it because he is a judge. You don´t have to think and decide for yourself. You know what I believe? How come? I don't know many fellow Americans as versed in Dutch Law as the judges in Aruba appointed by the Queen. So why should a lay person's OPINION of what is relevant under Dutch Law, or at all, even be a factor?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Maybe it is only mentioned in the TOS on No Nic's computer? Because it wasn't mentioned in the TOS I read. :shrug: :shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by redjetta


I don't think that it's weird at all & by the way I DID/DO THINK & MADE UP MY OWN MIND thank you & I continue to. Just because someone is American doesnt mean that I will always side with them to me that would be letting someone make up my mind for me. Also I view that as a form of descrimination which does not fly with me!

imo Good point. Why should an American be believed over anyone else - that is basing a belief on a prejudice.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I think it was Ruth.

Ruth gave an exclusive interview to The New York Post about a year ago and didn't mention it.




moo

[No Nic]

I know some of you will find this interesting, as did I.

E-mail No. 2

Hi Kimberly,
Watched your show last night and while Lee was interesting she was not very informative. There are some questions that we should be able to get some answerers, such as, who is that sitting next to Natalee in the casino picture? It does look like Paulus but can't be sure. The night of her disappearance did Paulus use the ATM twice? Whatever happened to Carlos? By now we should hear from someone that saw what happened in C&C that night.

Your interview with Joran's mother was revealing. She claimed that her husband would not cover for Joran and would insist he tell the truth! If that is the case then why did he successfully petition the court to keep the FBI at a distance? He told Dave that he would do anything for his son and did say, "No body no case." The pictures of him running from Greta and hiding in the bushes from Beth are not the actions of an innocent man. Keep up the good work and thanks.
Leo

ANSWER: Leo, thanks for your e-mail. It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalie Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. . As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Strange that we have never heard anyone but message boarders DENY that that is was Paulus in the casino video. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why?

imo

[dinojen]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Ruth gave an exclusive interview to The New York Post about a year ago and didn't mention it.




moo


Why would she mention it.. the purpose of trying to win the money back if I recall was because she had lost so much she didn't want to have to fess up to Moms and Pops...

I recall this being discussed when Joran's trying to recoup her monies was being talked about on the boards...

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Ruth gave an exclusive interview to The New York Post about a year ago and didn't mention it.




moo


How many of them have mentioned in tv interviews that Natalee got so drunk one night she had to be helped to her room? Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Luke Davis]

I'm just wondering why the VDSs took a trip to Holland the week before finals? Seems the boys would be cramming for finals and mom would be making the exam.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic
I know some of you will find this interesting, as did I.

E-mail No. 2

Hi Kimberly,
Watched your show last night and while Lee was interesting she was not very informative. There are some questions that we should be able to get some answerers, such as, who is that sitting next to Natalee in the casino picture? It does look like Paulus but can't be sure. The night of her disappearance did Paulus use the ATM twice? Whatever happened to Carlos? By now we should hear from someone that saw what happened in C&C that night.

Your interview with Joran's mother was revealing. She claimed that her husband would not cover for Joran and would insist he tell the truth! If that is the case then why did he successfully petition the court to keep the FBI at a distance? He told Dave that he would do anything for his son and did say, "No body no case." The pictures of him running from Greta and hiding in the bushes from Beth are not the actions of an innocent man. Keep up the good work and thanks.
Leo

ANSWER: Leo, thanks for your e-mail. It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalie Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. . As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Strange that we have never heard anyone but message boarders DENY that that is was Paulus in the casino video. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why?

imo


What sources say it? JQK said it one time....and never mentioned it again. Same with Beth. That speaks volumes.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic
I know some of you will find this interesting, as did I.

E-mail No. 2

Hi Kimberly,
Watched your show last night and while Lee was interesting she was not very informative. There are some questions that we should be able to get some answerers, such as, who is that sitting next to Natalee in the casino picture? It does look like Paulus but can't be sure. The night of her disappearance did Paulus use the ATM twice? Whatever happened to Carlos? By now we should hear from someone that saw what happened in C&C that night.

Your interview with Joran's mother was revealing. She claimed that her husband would not cover for Joran and would insist he tell the truth! If that is the case then why did he successfully petition the court to keep the FBI at a distance? He told Dave that he would do anything for his son and did say, "No body no case." The pictures of him running from Greta and hiding in the bushes from Beth are not the actions of an innocent man. Keep up the good work and thanks.
Leo

ANSWER: Leo, thanks for your e-mail. It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalie Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. . As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Strange that we have never heard anyone but message boarders DENY that that is was Paulus in the casino video. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why?

imo



Okie dokie then... Fox... KG.. and sources (unknown) say it's Paulus.. that's good enough for me...


NOT !!!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen




Okie dokie then... Fox... KG.. and sources (unknown) say it's Paulus.. that's good enough for me...


NOT !!!


That particular rumor started on either SM or BFN. ;)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Ruth gave an exclusive interview to The New York Post about a year ago and didn't mention it.




moo Big Deal. Madison Whatley told the FBI about it.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



What sources say it? JQK said it one time....and never mentioned it again. Same with Beth. That speaks volumes.

Example: Beth never denied a picture of the jello shot, therefore it must be true.

Comparison: Paulus never denied being in the casino video, therefore it must be true.

IMO

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



How many of them have mentioned in tv interviews that Natalee got so drunk one night she had to be helped to her room? Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Char les Croes said that Joran said he won the money back for Natalee.

Are you saying Croes lied? Or did Joran lie to Croes?

This is 0ne lie you can't put on Beth. :D

moo

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I'm just wondering why the VDSs took a trip to Holland the week before finals? Seems the boys would be cramming for finals and mom would be making the exam.

MOO



I thought she went back for some family celebration.. and it's quite possible that the younger ones school was already out.. I believe Anita also teaches younger children...

And what would the VDS going on vacation to Holland prior to Natalee's going missing have to do with anything anyway...

[feelings]

Originally posted by redjetta


I don't think that it's weird at all & by the way I DID/DO THINK & MADE UP MY OWN MIND thank you & I continue to. Just because someone is American doesnt mean that I will always side with them to me that would be letting someone make up my mind for me. Also I view that as a form of descrimination which does not fly with me!

imo
the point is you know nothing about this judge. You know nothing about his attitude or whether not discriminating people based on their heritage, profession or whatever is relevant for him. He is a white sheet of paper so you can go ahead and idealize him.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Char les Croes said that Joran said he won the money back for Natalee.

Are you saying Croes lied? Or did Joran lie to Croes?

This is 0ne lie you can't put on Beth. :D

moo

I wouldn't bet on that, forensicpsy, give a little time. :tongue:

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Char les Croes said that Joran said he won the money back for Natalee.

Are you saying Croes lied? Or did Joran lie to Croes?

This is 0ne lie you can't put on Beth. :D

moo


I'm sure it's the same misinformation campaign you attribute to Beth. Read the 302's in Joe T's filing. The answer is in there.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Big Deal. Madison Whatley told the FBI about it.

First of all please post a link.

Second of all C Croes said that Joran said it was Natalee. Who lied? Croes or Van Der Sloot? Or you?



moo

[dinojen]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Char les Croes said that Joran said he won the money back for Natalee.

Are you saying Croes lied? Or did Joran lie to Croes?

This is 0ne lie you can't put on Beth. :D

moo



Mr. Croes obviously misspoke.. this has been discussed over and over ... it wasn't Natalee that Joran was gambling for.. but I'm too lazy to go through my discs to find the conversation from a year ago...

Boss bought me new computer and I had to archive all my "off topic = non work" stuff... sorry... will see if I can find it though.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


lol. You won't see Beth talking about that all over tv. IMO:tongue:


Nope. She can't twist that into good character. :tongue:

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by No Nic


I wouldn't bet on that, forensicpsy, give a little time. :tongue:

IMO

LOL!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen




Mr. Croes obviously misspoke.. this has been discussed over and over ... it wasn't Natalee that Joran was gambling for.. but I'm too lazy to go through my discs to find the conversation from a year ago...

Boss bought me new computer and I had to archive all my "off topic = non work" stuff... sorry... will see if I can find it though.


It's in the FBI 302's attached to Joe T's filing.

[paralegallin]

Originally posted by julianella


Again who died? You inherit when someone dies right?

And don't you think his family would have mentioned a party... WAIT Anita did mention it, she said and I posted the link so you can do a search.... she said He was almost graduted and it was ALMOST party time.....

So I guess that would mean he didn't have his party yet! He still had to pass finals remember to graduate! imo

IIRC from the days when I graduated HS..money started coming in for me right after my dday which is the end of March, so I cannot honestly say he had not received money from friends of the family or family members themselves before the end of May.

We don't know, moo