DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by court~critic1®



I remember that one. They lived in TX. around Houston. That was one interesting case. moo


I didn't follow it and can't recall details but I did remember her alibi was being in another state. Every time someone posts "Beth wasn't in Aruba when Natalee disappeared" I remember that case.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

My understanding is that a harmed party can petition a particular court to bring forth a prosecution, but it's that court who has access to the files and determines whether or not the criminal court should prosecute anyone based on what's in the investigation file.

That makes much more sense than what I was thinking.

Thanks Gregor!

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Joran is untouchable. :D :hat: imo

IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Well if what Beth says is relevant, then the fact that she's lied about things becomes relevant......because credibility comes into play when things are said that aren't supported by anything but Beth's words.....

My point was that if Beth lies are not relevant, then anything Beth says is not relevant.......because you can't separate the two.......they are all her words. Good point.

MOO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo
I really think before you look for a suspect, you should define the crime.

"Missing" simply doesn't mean "murdered".

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo It's either none or 18 years, I can't recall which,not that a murder has been declared in this case.

Since he's innocent, he won't be looking over his shoulder....except to make sure some crazy monkey isn't making good on a threat.....

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo



If the man is the guilty party today's break in the JBR case shows that public opinion is often wrong. A lot of people convicted the Ramsey's in their minds just like some have convicted Joran. Some said no one except the Ramsey's could have killed JB, some say no one except Joran could be responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

Today's break is proof that people should think outside the box and not depend on the media in any case.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




If the man is the guilty party today's break in the JBR case shows that public opinion is often wrong. A lot of people convicted the Ramsey's in their minds just like some have convicted Joran. Some said no one except the Ramsey's could have killed JB, some say no one except Joran could be responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

Today's break is proof that people should think outside the box and not depend on the media in any case.

It's the same type of media conviction isn't it.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


It's the same type of media conviction isn't it.


Yes it is.


I am not saying the guy arrested today is guilty, just if. I didn't clarify that in my last post so am doing it now.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I don't have time to go into it now, but I think there's a reason why two individuals involved in money laundering, and a bank involved in money laundering are all involved in this case. It's just too much of a coincidence.

In short, I think there was a scam that involved Natalee and she took off because she thought that was the only way she could keep from being involved.

I guess I'll have a lot of heat to take when I come back later.

Gregor .... I'm really not sure what to think anymore. I have to admit that various thoughts have crossed my mind.

When I hear others talk about coverups and corruption, those ideas just seem ludicrous to me. The same applies when I hear about Paulus having "connections".

I DO think the forming of a Foundation is a money-gathering venture. Beth is USING that Foundation to tell a "story" which is totally unproven, and because it's a sympathetic "story", donations keep coming in. That whole thing is problematic to me.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo

No Nic .... I also think the arrest in the JonBonet murder is a great example of a "rush to judgement".

I wonder about that in THIS case too.

Just a thought.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


It appears I'm not mistaken......but I called what some may call the northside the eastside........

it's just want you consider the orientation of the map. Northeast side.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


So your new theory is that Joran walked to someone's house to get help in disposing of a dead body?

;) Guido Wever?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

"Ran his mouth spewing lies" is not an opinion. It is a phrase meant to demean and evoke a response.

One of the moderators already said adding IMO to a post intended to insult or bash does turn the offensive post into a legitimate opinion.

Try saying, "You're an idiot, IMO", to someone and see whether or not you hear from a moderator. You are not an idiot, IMO is just as wrong.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


It is a complicated web that one has to spin to involve all that they claim are responsible. All roads lead to Steve Croes.

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


No Nic .... I also think the arrest in the JonBonet murder is a great example of a "rush to judgement".

I wonder about that in THIS case too.

Just a thought.

JMO

I don't understand, a rush to judgement ?? an arrest after 10 years is a rush to judgement ??

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't understand, a rush to judgement ?? an arrest after 10 years is a rush to judgement ??

LOL! 10 years is the longest "rush" I've ever seen!

And it appears the same thing is happening here.....the Joran-Supporters are focusing on the victim's mother, Beth, for that which she has no blame and are completely ignoring the one obvious suspect - Joran. Tunnel vision on the parents.

This break in the Jon Benet Case after 10 long years is very encouraging in that one day, Natalee's parents will also receive news of an arrest of the perpetrator(s) of her murder.

IMO.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


The rush to judgement she refers to is that some people were calling the Ramsays Guilty even one of the detectives I saw on Larry king Live. Focused on the Parents and her brother ( Last known) that's why it took 10 years. IMO

Okay, thanks.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


Okay, thanks.

They'll never get it. imo.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


LOL! 10 years is the longest "rush" I've ever seen!

And it appears the same thing is happening here.....the Joran-Supporters are focusing on the victim's mother, Beth, for that which she has no blame and are completely ignoring the one obvious suspect - Joran. Tunnel vision on the parents.

This break in the Jon Benet Case after 10 long years is very encouraging in that one day, Natalee's parents will also receive news of an arrest of the perpetrator(s) of her murder.

IMO.


The rush to judgement was about the Ramseys and the fact that many convicted them of their daughter's murder with no evidence to support it.....the same thing being done to Joran by many here.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Absolutely! It requires making up scenarios with no basis in fact or evidence.

Example, many posters say that there is no way of knowing who was actually on the computers, which is true. But they offer no explanation as to how or when J2K contacted these friends and asked them to go to their respective homes and log on to their computers as an alibi.

I have no problem with speculation, but it has to fit with known facts.

:) We know few facts about anyone. Perhaps if we knew where GVC was we would have a clue about what happened. Beth says GVC punched Natalee at CnC. Dave says GVC was at CnC the morning Natalee went missing. Beyond that do we have any facts about GVC?

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down



The rush to judgement was about the Ramseys and the fact that many convicted them of their daughter's murder with no evidence to support it.....the same thing being done to Joran by many here.

Yes, I agree. The Joran Supporters are all focused on Beth - not the primary suspect, Joran. This is tunnel vision at its finest - but I believe the truth will prevail. Even if it takes 10 years!

IMO.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by SukiJane


I think so, as he slapped his chest. My post was not about that, it was about two people there that night, charles croes and deepak, that says Joran was trying to help, wanting to know what he could do to help. JMO It is easy for me to think Joran was pointing to himself, saying he wanted to help. What way can he help Beth, what can he do?

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
We know few facts about anyone. Perhaps if we knew where GVC was we would have a clue about what happened. Beth says GVC punched Natalee at CnC. Dave says GVC was at CnC the morning Natalee went missing. Beyond that do we have any facts about GVC?

MOO

Luke, I'm not sure why you robo-post about the unverified "punch" - the fact that Beth "said it" was probably due to false information she received.

Why does something that is unverified fascinate you so much?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



The rush to judgement was about the Ramseys and the fact that many convicted them of their daughter's murder with no evidence to support it.....the same thing being done to Joran by many here.

And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Do you know for a fact the phone company didn't alter the records to protect him.

He runs the island, you know. Weren't the records furnished by Croes?

[Narcissist15]

OMG....the Ramsey were focused in on.......

Everyone was claiming how they were guilty.......because of the lies leaked to the media......

now after 10 years.....incredible day....

yep focusing in on someone without supporting evidence.....just goes to show that it does happen.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It is easy for me to think Joran was pointing to himself, saying he wanted to help. What way can he help Beth, what can he do?

MOO

He can tell her what really happened the night he was with Natalee, no matter who was involved.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom

The Natural Bridge collapsed last fall :( What are the odds Joran and Natalee were under the bridge? Joran ran. Natalee didn't.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. It shows you what were dealing with here.;) IMO

Keep insulting.......

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. It shows you what were dealing with here.;) IMO


Yep. Notice the spin yet again.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
OMG....the Ramsey were focused in on.......

Everyone was claiming how they were guilty.......because of the lies leaked to the media......

now after 10 years.....incredible day....

yep focusing in on someone without supporting evidence.....just goes to show that it does happen.

Kinda like the Joran supporters focusing on Beth day after day for the last 14+ months with NO EVIDENCE. And Beth was no where near Natalee when she disappeared.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo

Well said, NN! This is exactly the point! :)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1

<snip>
- the fact that Beth "said it" was probably due to false information she received.

<snip>
Beth is supposed to be your hero. A bright, articulate professional.

Don't you know when you and your friends say this over and over you're making her look like a ventriloquist's dummy?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Keep insulting.......

FH20 may as well accept it, no matter how hard she tries it will not stop with this crowd. :rolleyes:

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Whose nose? You pick 'em.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo


No one is accusing Beth of being involved. What is being questioned is why she is lying? And she is lying. And there is no reason for the mother of a missing person to lie at all.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
O/T...Arrest and partial confession in the Jon Benet Ramsey case.

I wish Patsy was still living to finally see justice for her daughter.

:( :rose: Me too.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Yep. Notice the spin yet again.

Freshwater
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You all have been very active this morning. I have found the need to edit about 5 posts per page (mostly just the last line which is a dig at someone). How about you all help me! Just omit that last line on your posts. You know the ones - for those of us who can read..... for those of us who want justice....... if you were keeping up....... My head is spinning.... etc...

I will find a good time (slow) this weekend to close this thread an label it and begin a new discussion thread. 25 pages in 3 days is alot! The previous discussion thread will remain on the board for references etc.. for a week then archived.


TIA
Freshwater

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


Kinda like the Joran supporters focusing on Beth day after day for the last 14+ months with NO EVIDENCE. And Beth was no where near Natalee when she disappeared.

When have any of us accused Beth of murdering her daughter?

I have never.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



No one is accusing Beth of being involved. <snipped>
.

:eek: :confused:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


When have any of us accused Beth of murdering her daughter?

I have never.

Did I say murder ? or did I say involved in her disapperance ?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


Did I say murder ? or did I say involved in her disapperance ?

No Nic
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Originally posted by Narcissist15
OMG....the Ramsey were focused in on.......

Everyone was claiming how they were guilty.......because of the lies leaked to the media......

now after 10 years.....incredible day....

yep focusing in on someone without supporting evidence.....just goes to show that it does happen.
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Kinda like the Joran supporters focusing on Beth day after day for the last 14+ months with NO EVIDENCE. And Beth was no where near Natalee when she disappeared.



You compared the Ramseys being accused with Beth being accused.........if you are trying to compare the Ramseys being accused of murder with Beth being accused of lying...........then I have nothing further to say.....

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Weren't the records furnished by Croes?
Croes rents phones and sells SIMM cards. He doesn't have access to any phone company records, except those for the phones he owns.

He might "know a guy" but in a case like this his friend wouildn't give him anything.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Freshwater
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Registered: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 432
Ver Active
You all have been very active this morning. I have found the need to edit about 5 posts per page (mostly just the last line which is a dig at someone). How about you all help me! Just omit that last line on your posts. You know the ones - for those of us who can read..... for those of us who want justice....... if you were keeping up....... My head is spinning.... etc...

I will find a good time (slow) this weekend to close this thread an label it and begin a new discussion thread. 25 pages in 3 days is alot! The previous discussion thread will remain on the board for references etc.. for a week then archived.


TIA
Freshwater


Maybe you should actually read it? :rolleyes:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


Did I say murder ? or did I say involved in her disapperance ?

Yes, it was quite a contrived plot, which involved Beth hiding Natalee, so she could collect donations, and make money from the safe travel lectures.

Then there was another, which I don't care to repeat, involving Jug getting Natalee pregnant.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


No Nic
Member

Registered: May 2006
Location: Looking for justice for Natalee Holloway and Bud Larson
Posts: 396

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Originally posted by Narcissist15
OMG....the Ramsey were focused in on.......

Everyone was claiming how they were guilty.......because of the lies leaked to the media......

now after 10 years.....incredible day....

yep focusing in on someone without supporting evidence.....just goes to show that it does happen.
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Kinda like the Joran supporters focusing on Beth day after day for the last 14+ months with NO EVIDENCE. And Beth was no where near Natalee when she disappeared.



You compared the Ramseys being accused with Beth being accused.........if you are trying to compare the Ramseys being accused of murder with Beth being accused of lying...........then I have nothing further to say.....

You missed this one:

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Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo

Posters have been comparing the Holloway case to the Ramsey case since the arrest was reported.

And yes, I am comparing the way the two mothers have been treated by the posters on the board, concerning their daughters. One for her murder and one for her disappearance. Do not even try to say her involvement has not been discussed and speculated on this board, because we all know it has, not just that she lies, but that she is involved, while the 3 that were with her are given a free pass for the very same actions that you accuse the mother of - LIES.

If you have nothing further to say........then so be it.

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was quite a contrived plot, which involved Beth hiding Natalee, so she could collect donations, and make money from the safe travel lectures.

Then there was another, which I don't care to repeat, involving Jug getting Natalee pregnant.

Yep that's what the majority of "Joran-supporters" here have discussed for the last 14+ months....


Right....whatever.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by paralegallin


<snip>

I always wondered a bit about the ex dea agent friend that just happened to be down in Aruba at the same time as this all went down.

<snip>

MOO When Beth has been asked about him, she replies, oh, that's another story. She always gets away with this. No one ever makes her answer a question.


MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


You missed this one:

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Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo

Posters have been comparing the Holloway case to the Ramsey case since the arrest was reported.

And yes, I am comparing the way the two mothers have been treated by the posters on the board, concerning their daughters. One for her murder and one for her disappearance. Do not even try to say her involvement has not been discussed and speculated on this board, because we all know it has, not just that she lies, but that she is involved, while the 3 that were with her are given a free pass for the very same actions that you accuse the mother of - LIES.

If you have nothing further to say........then so be it.

imo


Nothing further to say......it be so.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Since I believe Natalee ran off, I have to believe Beth is somehow involved, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with an unhappy home life or abuse of any kind. Could Natalee have been on the MedJet?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
OMG....the Ramsey were focused in on.......

Everyone was claiming how they were guilty.......because of the lies leaked to the media......

now after 10 years.....incredible day....

yep focusing in on someone without supporting evidence.....just goes to show that it does happen.



OT but... Hubby just called and told me... I was on my way to dr's appt. and don't listen to news radio like he does... all I could think of was poor Patsy..and John.. they have been accused of everything under the sun.. I hope this is the guy...

I did hear that the DA had told Patsy before she passed they had a good lead...and would keep on it...


As for any comparison to Beth... I wouldn't stretch it that far... I don't know of anyone I post with that has accused her of being involved in Natalee's disappearance.. I know quite a few of us that think she clouded the investigation with her speculation and implications of what was said by certain people...

I personally don't think she was involved any what at all.. but I will always firmly believe she hampered the investigation from the get go... JMHO..

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Could Natalee have been on the MedJet?
I doubt it. Maybe she was supposed to have been, but I think she was long gone before the MedJet got there.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was quite a contrived plot, which involved Beth hiding Natalee, so she could collect donations, and make money from the safe travel lectures.

Then there was another, which I don't care to repeat, involving Jug getting Natalee pregnant.

Exactly, Paula. The scenarios were disgusting.

The Holloway/Twitty family has received the same abuse from message board posters as the Ramsey's received from the Media. How can anyone be so cruel?

I'm certain the truth will prevail, just as it's beginning to in the Jon Benet Case.

IMO. :rose:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic

You missed this one:

quote:
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Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo

Posters have been comparing the Holloway case to the Ramsey case since the arrest was reported.

And yes, I am comparing the way the two mothers have been treated by the posters on the board, concerning their daughters. One for her murder and one for her disappearance. Do not even try to say her involvement has not been discussed and speculated on this board, because we all know it has, not just that she lies, but that she is involved, while the 3 that were with her are given a free pass for the very same actions that you accuse the mother of - LIES.

If you have nothing further to say........then so be it.

imo

This post bears repeating! Right on!!! :rose:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


IF Joran is guilty and Aruba has no statute of limitations on murder (I don't know if they do or don't) Joran will never be untouchable. Todays break in the JonBonet murder of a decade ago is proof of that.

IF Joran is guilty, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

imo IF Joran is innocent, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
IF Joran is innocent, he will be looking over his shoulder for a very long, long time.

MOO

I won't disagree. Please remember this would only be due to the consequences of HIS cruel lies.

imo.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Exactly, Paula. The scenarios were disgusting.

The Holloway/Twitty family has received the same abuse from message board posters as the Ramsey's received from the Media. How can anyone be so cruel?

I'm certain the truth will prevail, just as it's beginning to in the Jon Benet Case.

IMO. :rose:

Hi Miami!

I agree, and also believe the truth will come out, in all its ugliness, and that sadly, that Joran will repeat his behavior, claiming more victims.

I believe that the murder of JonBenet, and from what has been posted on the JonBenet Ramsey board, that Patsy was sent emails, describing what the perps did to her beautiful child, ended Patsy's life prematurely.

I can't believe such sadistic cruelty exists in human beings. It wasn't enough to murder JonBenet, the perp/s had to satisfy his/their thirst for sadism by emailing the victims mother, getting a sick thrill by shocking her.

I believe Natalee's disappearance has taken a toll on Beth, and fear it will affect her health. She is always in my thoughts and prayers.

IMO

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
We know few facts about anyone. Perhaps if we knew where GVC was we would have a clue about what happened. Beth says GVC punched Natalee at CnC. Dave says GVC was at CnC the morning Natalee went missing. Beyond that do we have any facts about GVC?

MOO

We know next to nothing about anyone but J2K, I wonder if ALE does?

I heard a discussion about the Ramsey case today, and I couldn't help but compare the tunnel vision of the Boulder PD, with the tunnel vision of ALE. The BPD were so sure the Ramseys were responsible in some way for JonBenet's death that they waited six years to send the samples to the FBI for DNA testing.

:(

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Luke, I'm not sure why you robo-post about the unverified "punch" - the fact that Beth "said it" was probably due to false information she received.

Why does something that is unverified fascinate you so much? Some people complain that only Beth is discussed here. Some say there is tunnel vision concentrating on Joran.

I have made an effort to discuss other suspects which I have little knowledge of. GVC seems very interesting to me for a number of reasons. Steve Croes fascinates me, with his connection to GVC and Deepak. Guido Wever is probably the least known and makes me very curious.

I'm not excluding Beth or Joran, just trying to include the other suspects. Do you know where GVC was at 3 in the morning when Natalee went missing?

MOO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Between Deepak proving Joran was responsible for blood in his car that no one could find, and turning a romp on the beach into a publicity stunt, I guess I'll have to go to the Sesame Street forum for some intelligent discussion.

Maybe I'll be back tonight.

LOL!! That was good!! Oh that was good!!

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

How can you spin this into there having been blood in Deepak's car?

Deepak says Joran lied about that.

Everybody knows the interior of his car was pretty much ripped up looking for the non-existant blood, but now you're saying there was blood because Deepak says Joran says there was.

Did that make sense? Because it didn't to me.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Croes rents phones and sells SIMM cards. He doesn't have access to any phone company records, except those for the phones he owns.

He might "know a guy" but in a case like this his friend wouildn't give him anything. I think you mean a different Croes.


MOO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by nascarmom



So you are saying that in Mid July, Joran knew statements would be leaked to BFN the first part of August and so hired a PR firm to make himself 'look less dangerous' and the PR firm hired a gal from Vegas to secretly snap his photos and feign disgust to make the story sound real.

I don't mean any harm NM but does that make sense to you because it doesn't to me?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


<snip>
Then there was another, which I don't care to repeat, involving Jug getting Natalee pregnant. Please don't repeat rumors.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

Deepak said that Joran was the one who claimed there was blood in Deepak's car, which caused LE to "rip it apart".

If this is true, then the only conclusion I can draw, is that Joran was trying to pin Natalee's murder (ALE's claim, along with kidnapping) on Deepak, just as Joran was said to have claimed that Deepak buried Natalee near the Fisherman's Hut.

IMO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


But .... it's based on Beth's "facts", nm.

JMO

Unfortunately you know how that goes.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I doubt it. Maybe she was supposed to have been, but I think she was long gone before the MedJet got there. I thought maybe the CALL ME HOOTIE posters were code for go to airport and board MedJet.

MOO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Would those be the facts Beth knows but doesn't know because she wanted discovery to see the investigation file because she doesn't know anything but she does know J2K are gang rapers, kidnappers and murderers?

Those facts?

Yep.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I think you mean a different Croes.

MOO
I mean Charles Croes. He runs a company called Aruba Fast Phone. He probably owns it, but I don't know for sure.

The phones he rents have service provided by Digicel, a communications company that operates throughout the Caribbean.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Exactly. Yes Joran made some mistakes......he was 17 years old and he has apologized for them, acknowledged his mistakes and offered to speak with Beth and Dave. He went on Greta and answered her questions and has outclassed all of team Twitty in the process. I think Joran has handled himself very well and even when he is minding his own business on the beach with a girl he gets criticized..........if he's calm and minding his own business he "loves the attention" if he throws the camera the girl used to take his picture in the sand then people would be posting he has a temper and must be feeling guilty. They never look at the obvious............he's a free young man dating a girl on his vacation from school in Aruba, there are no "old tricks" he is up to.........he was on a public beach with a girl. This case just gets crazier and crazier........meanwhile Paulus was released from suspect staus and awarded cash for the miscarriage of justice against him. I think people are finally catching on to Beths scheme. IMO:seeya:

WOW T. I DO believe that's the longest post I've seen you post ....lol. A GREAT one, by the way ....

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


I don't understand, a rush to judgement ?? an arrest after 10 years is a rush to judgement ??

I meant as far as people thinking her parents were the ones who did this.

JMO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Watership Down




"If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Joran"


Works both ways ya know?

And stating the truth is not bashing. Beth has lied just as much, if not more than Joran did. It is a proven fact.

Now....why would the mother of a missing person lie?

I've been asking that question for a very long time and for the life of me I can not figure out why some would find it OK for Beth to lie but if Joran lies then his lie is the result of a murder. Go figure. Oh and let me add there isn't any and I mean any evidence he committed any crime at all.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


Okay, thanks.

I should have been clearer when I posted .... sorry about that.

JMO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No one is bashing Beth. There is some heavy duty Anita bashing going on though, how does bashing her change the fact there is no evidence her son committed a crime or change the fact that she is not responsible for Natalee's vanishing?

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from K2K and Paulus, as you will not find the answers there and instead face the FACT that there is no evidence a crime was committed by any of them.

Amen.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by gcarter1


I've been asking that question for a very long time and for the life of me I can not figure out why some would find it OK for Beth to lie but if Joran lies then his lie is the result of a murder. Go figure. Oh and let me add there isn't any and I mean any evidence he committed any crime at all.


When a prosecutor says there is no evidence against the boy she is trying her damndest to convict that speaks volumes.

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't believe Beth has lied.

I disagree, I believe she has and the proof has been posted here many times. Prime example, stating she has never called Joran a gang rapist, murderer or kidnapper. Not only has she done it but it's been in print on she has done it on National TV. If that's not lying I don't know what is.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I should have been clearer when I posted .... sorry about that.

JMO

....happens to all of us. :)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I mean Charles Croes. He runs a company called Aruba Fast Phone. He probably owns it, but I don't know for sure.

The phones he rents have service provided by Digicel, a communications company that operates throughout the Caribbean. I don't think it was he that furnished the records.

MOO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No, the judges cleared Paulus. Judges do not prosecute, the Office of the Public Prosecutor does and they never filed charges. So your statement that "PVDS has been cleared by the same people who refuse to prosecute his son" is totally inaccurate.

How did Curaco get sucked into the corruption pile? How did the FBI and SOS not see all this corruption?

Good point.

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Anita's name is rarely mentioned on this board, so again you're deflecting. You now claim Anita is bashed because of the bashing that goes on day after day about Beth. Anyone who chooses to read the posts can readily see this.

Removing the focus from J2K/PVDS defeats the purpose of solving this case, as they are the ONLY ones who know EXACTLY what happened to Natalee and where her body is.

There is PLENTY of evidence against all of them.

IMO

What evidence is against them, you keep saying this I want to know what evidence is against them. Please tell me.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by gcarter1


I've been asking that question for a very long time and for the life of me I can not figure out why some would find it OK for Beth to lie but if Joran lies then his lie is the result of a murder. Go figure. Oh and let me add there isn't any and I mean any evidence he committed any crime at all. Is there evidence GVC or Guido Wever committed a crime?

[treetime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Deepak said that Joran was the one who claimed there was blood in Deepak's car, which caused LE to "rip it apart".

If this is true, then the only conclusion I can draw, is that Joran was trying to pin Natalee's murder (ALE's claim, along with kidnapping) on Deepak, just as Joran was said to have claimed that Deepak buried Natalee near the Fisherman's Hut.

IMO

agreed :cool:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


And on the other side of the coin, the very same thing that happened to the Ramseys (as parents) is happening right here to Natalee's parent. Beth is being suspected in the involvement of Natalees disappearance with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, this is happening day after day after day RIGHT HERE on ths board.

imo lol

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I don't think it was he that furnished the records.

MOO
I already said he wouldn't have access to the phone company records.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by gcarter1


I disagree, I believe she has and the proof has been posted here many times. Prime example, stating she has never called Joran a gang rapist, murderer or kidnapper. Not only has she done it but it's been in print on she has done it on National TV. If that's not lying I don't know what is. You have to understand Paula's definition of lying. When someone says something malicious about Beth, that is lying. Something nasty about Joran is not lying.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by gcarter1


What evidence is against them, you keep saying this I want to know what evidence is against them. Please tell me. PLENTY.

If you make it big, people believe it.

MOO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by gcarter1


What evidence is against them, you keep saying this I want to know what evidence is against them. Please tell me.
This is just another thing which if you repeat over and over and over, people are expected to believe.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was quite a contrived plot, which involved Beth hiding Natalee, so she could collect donations, and make money from the safe travel lectures.

Then there was another, which I don't care to repeat, involving Jug getting Natalee pregnant. It beats the ones that have Joran carrying dead Natalee around all over the island on his back, friends going to Joran's house abd the Kalpoe's house to log onto their comuputers and establish an alibi, Paulus getting his 'prize' from his predator son who was alerted about the naive girl at the casino by the eyes of GVC, Joran's summer date being a PR stunt along with the Vegas tourist....among others....talk about contrived plots!

The Jug getting Natalee pregnant came from the letter that Paulus was sent :read:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I already said he wouldn't have access to the phone company records. Yes, I agree, it was not Charles.

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


That whole " Hootie" thing is just weird. IMO. :tongue:

Wierd ?? Didn't you ever have a nickname ??

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


That whole " Hootie" thing is just weird. IMO. :tongue:
Did anyone ever find out what "Hootie" means?

Could a "Hootie" be a little "Hooter"?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Wierd ?? Didn't you ever have a nickname ??



I wasn't little peanut with my mama being big peanut. And I have never seen a mother/daughter combo with nick names either.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Some people complain that only Beth is discussed here. Some say there is tunnel vision concentrating on Joran.

I have made an effort to discuss other suspects which I have little knowledge of. GVC seems very interesting to me for a number of reasons. Steve Croes fascinates me, with his connection to GVC and Deepak. Guido Wever is probably the least known and makes me very curious.

I'm not excluding Beth or Joran, just trying to include the other suspects. Do you know where GVC was at 3 in the morning when Natalee went missing?

MOO

It's true that you are one of the only ones to bring up other suspects.......but as far as Guido is concerned:

1) Don't you think ALE has checked him out thoroughly?

2) Don't you think they asked Guido where he was at 3 that morning?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


That whole " Hootie" thing is just weird. IMO. :tongue: The Wizard of Oz thing is just weird. I keep picturing Natalee clicking her heels together. Many of us can think of a few without a brain, heart or courage involved in this case. :hat:

MOO

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by No Nic


Wierd ?? Didn't you ever have a nickname ??

The wording of the poster implied that Beth believed Natalee had the freedom to call her if she so desired. Kidnaped persons seldom have free access to a telephone.

:)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


You just made Coke Zero come out of my nose. lol. :tongue: :D Ahem, I was being serious.:hat:

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom
It beats the ones that have Joran carrying dead Natalee around all over the island on his back, friends going to Joran's house abd the Kalpoe's house to log onto their comuputers and establish an alibi, Paulus getting his 'prize' from his predator son who was alerted about the naive girl at the casino by the eyes of GVC, Joran's summer date being a PR stunt along with the Vegas tourist....among others....talk about contrived plots!

The Jug getting Natalee pregnant came from the letter that Paulus was sent :read: There's a book in there somewhere!:hat:

MOO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


The wording of the poster implied that Beth believed Natalee had the freedom to call her if she so desired. Kidnaped persons seldom have free access to a telephone.

:)
Maybe Natalee had a shoe phone like "Get Smart".

Come to think of it, you could probably sell a lot of them at a safe travels lecture.

[treetime]

all BETH knew was Natalee was MISSING


she could put POSTERS up in any way, shape, or form


she didnt know anything

then when add 2 PLUS 2 you get

JORAN
and
K1
and
K2

:D

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


Wierd ?? Didn't you ever have a nickname ?? It doesn't seem strange to you, that Beth was Big Hootie, Natalee was Little Hootie and the missing poster had both their pictures on it?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
The Wizard of Oz thing is just weird. I keep picturing Natalee clicking her heels together. Many of us can think of a few without a brain, heart or courage involved in this case. :hat:

MOO

LOL....that was so clever.

Bravo.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Miami!

I agree, and also believe the truth will come out, in all its ugliness, and that sadly, that Joran will repeat his behavior, claiming more victims.

I believe that the murder of JonBenet, and from what has been posted on the JonBenet Ramsey board, that Patsy was sent emails, describing what the perps did to her beautiful child, ended Patsy's life prematurely.

I can't believe such sadistic cruelty exists in human beings. It wasn't enough to murder JonBenet, the perp/s had to satisfy his/their thirst for sadism by emailing the victims mother, getting a sick thrill by shocking her.

I believe Natalee's disappearance has taken a toll on Beth, and fear it will affect her health. She is always in my thoughts and prayers.

IMO

I wanted to snip this post but everything you said was too good to snip. What Patsy and Beth endured as mothers.......no human being should have to endure.

I wanted to focus on the part where you wrote: "I agree, and also believe the truth will come out, in all its ugliness, and that sadly, that Joran will repeat his behavior, claiming more victims."

Everytime I read this I want to tell you how much I agree with this thought. I believe Joran has been leading up to such a night as he had with Natalee for a very long time. Natalee just happened to be with him at the wrong time.

I believe these "wins" of the NY Civil case being thrown out due to location and his father's tainted money settlement will feed Joran's arrogance and cause him to become careless and finally slip again.

Hopefully next time.....he won't be so lucky.

IMO.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It doesn't seem strange to you, that Beth was Big Hootie, Natalee was Little Hootie and the missing poster had both their pictures on it?
I think they explain that by saying Jug's 13 year old daughter made the posters.

I wonder if she called her stepmother Big Hootie.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Maybe Natalee had a shoe phone like "Get Smart".

Come to think of it, you could probably sell a lot of them at a safe travels lecture.

So would we call them Flip Flop Flip phones?

;)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It doesn't seem strange to you, that Beth was Big Hootie, Natalee was Little Hootie and the missing poster had both their pictures on it?

Not strange at all. Wasn't it Natalee's friends that called Natalee "Hootie" and Beth "Big Hootie"? Sounds like Natalee and her friends all had a very good, close relationship with Beth.

imo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It doesn't seem strange to you, that Beth was Big Hootie, Natalee was Little Hootie and the missing poster had both their pictures on it?

Why is that strange?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why is that strange?


Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why is that strange?

It would seem that some just can't understand that the mother of a teen could have a close relationship with her daughter and her friends, so much so that they include her in their fun by giving her a variation of Natalee's nickname.

imo

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I think they explain that by saying Jug's 13 year old daughter made the posters.

I wonder if she called her stepmother Big Hootie.

Or she may have called her "My stepHitler'ssisterhootiehottie Mom".

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent.

Are you now suggesting that Beth kidnapped Natalee??

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Are you now suggesting that Beth kidnapped Natalee??



:rolleyes:


Only in your mind.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic

Are you now suggesting that Beth kidnapped Natalee??

That's the "implication" I got as well, NN!.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


That's the "implication" I got as well, NN!.


Not surprising the way you twist everything.


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quote:
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Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why is that strange?
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Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


It would seem that some just can't understand that the mother of a teen could have a close relationship with her daughter and her friends, so much so that they include her in their fun by giving her a variation of Natalee's nickname.

imo

Exactly, NN!

The same nickname stresses the closeness between mother and daughter. I think it's cute.

IMO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Not surprising the way you twist everything.


Watership Down
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Registered: Mar 2006
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quote:
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Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why is that strange?
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Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent.

"Twisting" is YOUR specialty. Read what you wrote.

Imo.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


Are you now suggesting that Beth kidnapped Natalee??

I've seen that posted here a number of times, along with some other doozies.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Exactly, NN!

The same nickname stresses the closeness between mother and daughter. I think it's cute.

IMO

NOTHING Beth does is good enough. This was her way of "personalizing" her daughter and their family. Remember ALL the complaints by these posters about how Beth never said anything "personal" about Natalee?

Beth did this with her FIRST action....the poster. Now look what ensues!

imo.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


I see you don't have a nic. Maybe when I was in grade school but my Mom just called me and my sister by our first names.

I am incognito, here. :D

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I've seen that posted here a number of times, along with some other doozies.

Is there backpeddling going on now. If so, why?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Twisting" is YOUR specialty. Read what you wrote.

Imo.


The post she quoted talked about the nicknames and the poster. Paula asked what was strange about it. I used the poster and the fact that Beth's picture was on it, something that isn't done on posters unless it is a parental kidnapping, to answer what was strange about it. :rolleyes:

Now try to twist my words some more.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

The post she quoted talked about the nicknames and the poster. Paula asked what was strange about it. I used the poster and the fact that Beth's picture was on it, something that isn't done on posters unless it is a parental kidnapping, to answer what was strange about it. :rolleyes:

Now try to twist my words some more.

Stop insulting. Your post was clear. imo.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


NOTHING Beth does is good enough. This was her way of "personalizing" her daughter and their family. Remember ALL the complaints by these posters about how Beth never said anything "personal" about Natalee?

Beth did this with her FIRST action....the poster. Now look what ensues!

imo.

As long as the focus is kept on Beth, it will be kept off J2K.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


As long as the focus is kept on Beth, it will be kept off J2K.

When I see these malicious posts, I get a chuckle when I think they are in such a sad minority.

IMO.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Stop insulting. Your post was clear. imo.


Insulting? If I was insulting you you would know it. My post was clear until you attempted to twist it as you usually do.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Watership Down



The post she quoted talked about the nicknames and the poster. Paula asked what was strange about it. I used the poster and the fact that Beth's picture was on it, something that isn't done on posters unless it is a parental kidnapping, to answer what was strange about it. :rolleyes:

Now try to twist my words some more.

Don't take the bait.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


You just made Coke Zero come out of my nose. lol. :tongue: :D

It's nice to know that you're watching your weight. :D





moo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


I saw a real doozie that had Joran as a rapist and murderer . imo


Probably not as good as the doozie about the girl Joran was seen with being hired by a pr firm and the one taking the pictures being an actress too. Now THAT was a doozie. :biggrin:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

Insulting? If I was insulting you you would know it. My post was clear until you attempted to twist it as you usually do.

You are desperate to pick a fight. I won't play your game. I simply replied to NoNic and you decided to insult. read again what you wrote. It's clear as to your meaning.

"Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent."

I have nothing further to discuss with such a disrespectful poster.

IMO.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


NOTHING Beth does is good enough. This was her way of "personalizing" her daughter and their family. Remember ALL the complaints by these posters about how Beth never said anything "personal" about Natalee?

Beth did this with her FIRST action....the poster. Now look what ensues!

imo.

I praise Beth for not revealing anything personal about Natalee. If she had can you imagine what a field day Joran supporters would have with that? It would be like what was said when Beth allowed Greta's to tour Natalee's room. The dresses hanging on her door were criticized, they tried to blow up the writing on her calandar (to the extent of saying one entry was "nose job), on and on they went and it was not pretty.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Don't take the bait.


I hit the backspace button a few times. ;)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


When I see these malicious posts, I get a chuckle when I think they are in such a sad minority.

IMO.

They are proud of it, and consider themselves as "outside the box" thinkers.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


You are desperate to pick a fight. I won't play your game. I simply replied to NoNic and you decided to insult. read again what you wrote. It's clear as to your meaning.

"Name one other missing person who had their parent's picture on the missing poster with theirs and wasn't kidnapped by that parent."

I have nothing further to discuss with such a disrespectful poster.

IMO.


I never knew you could put yourself on ignore. Thanks for letting me know that.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I praise Beth for not revealing anything personal about Natalee.

<snipped>
imo

Embroidered panties.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


I praise Beth for not revealing anything personal about Natalee. If she had can you imagine what a field day Joran supporters would have with that? It would be like what was said when Beth allowed Greta's to tour Natalee's room. The dresses hanging on her door were criticized, they tried to blow up the writing on her calandar (to the extent of saying one entry was "nose job), on and on they went and it was not pretty.

imo

Downright Disgusting. :(

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Embroidered panties.

Yep....they chose to discuss things like that....nothing personal.....LOL

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down


I never knew you could put yourself on ignore. Thanks for letting me know that.

You were the first one to bring "TWISTING" into this. Take responsibility. Reminder:

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[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Downright Disgusting. :(

And vicious and cruel and ugly.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Embroidered panties.

That would be the Dutch family (Joran and Anita) that started that.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yep....they chose to discuss things like that....nothing personal.....LOL

Another vicious lie. Nancy Grace was the one who asked about them.

It was also discussed by Anita, IIRC and was in Joran's statement.

imo.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be the Dutch family (Joran and Anita) that started that.

Wrong.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Another vicious lie. Nancy Grace was the one who asked. imo.

And they had the choice to answer....and they chose to discuss it.

[Watership Down]

I see BFN is up to tricks again. They posted a statement with pages missing. Too bad what's there doesn't help them a bit. It shows Paulus is not the man in the video, he picked Joran up around 11 and not 4 am as Beth claimed and talks about the posters Beth tried to hang at Joran's school telling people to ask Joran about Natalee's disappearance.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be the Dutch family (Joran and Anita) that started that. The only place it came up was on Nancy Grace with Beth and Jug. No one else discussed Natalee like that on TV.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


You were the first one to bring "TWISTING" into this. Take responsibility. Reminder:

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Read it then look to your own posts. You fit the saying about making sure your own door is clean before talking about others.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Another vicious lie. Nancy Grace was the one who asked about them.

It was also discussed by Anita, IIRC and was in Joran's statement.

imo. It was not discussed by Anita and Joran's UNSIGNED statement was not in the media.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


And vicious and cruel and ugly.


No worse than Beth's lie about Lorenzo being Paulus' illegitimate son being posted by your side over and over again.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

Read it then look to your own posts. You fit the saying about making sure your own door is clean before talking about others.

We are talking about what YOU posted to me. You personally attacked me saying that I "twist." I hadn't even directed my post to you! Take out your frustrations on someone else.

My posts are clean. Unlike YOURS. I will not be bullied by you or anyone else. I've decided I will not allow you to bully me and will reply in like kind. So stop insulting if you don't like to be insulted back.

IMO.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Wrong.

Absolutely, positively 100% correct. Anita was so graphic in her description of the sexual events (per Joran) that Greta was totally amazed and embarrassed.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


It's nice to know that you're watching your weight. :D





moo



:lol: I needed a good laugh... now that was funny...

I will stick with my Diet P...

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Another vicious lie. Nancy Grace was the one who asked about them.

It was also discussed by Anita, IIRC and was in Joran's statement.

imo.

Yes, it was Nancy Grace.

EXCERPT:

GRACE: You know, another issue came up. I`m going to go out to Jug Twitty. He`s standing by in Birmingham, Alabama -- obviously, Beth`s husband, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, was there a very detailed statement describing Natalee`s underwear?

CNN Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html)

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic


Absolutely, positively 100% correct. Anita was so graphic in her description of the sexual events (per Joran) that Greta was totally amazed and embarrassed.



Ahhhhhhh... I don't remember that one at all... but I do remember a few interviews with Beth and Jug.. discussing things that Natalee would probably preferred they hadn't on NATIONAL TV...

IF and I say IF... Anita said anything.. it's only after the parents.. discussed Natalee's anatomy and personal life in their many many interviews.... JMHO...


Like I have said before each side can twist and turn everyones statements.. doesn't prove a friggin thing.. there is NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING...

Spin away... Greta's on... and the brother of the man being charged is on... BBL... to AS THE SPIN TWIRLS...:rolleyes:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


It's true that you are one of the only ones to bring up other suspects.......but as far as Guido is concerned:

1) Don't you think ALE has checked him out thoroughly?

2) Don't you think they asked Guido where he was at 3 that morning? 1) Yes
2) Yes

After doing 1 and 2 they detained him for a reason.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was Nancy Grace.

EXCERPT:

GRACE: You know, another issue came up. I`m going to go out to Jug Twitty. He`s standing by in Birmingham, Alabama -- obviously, Beth`s husband, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, was there a very detailed statement describing Natalee`s underwear?

CNN Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html)

Great find and thanks, Paula! They'll say ANYTHING to put the parents of a missing and possible dead girl in an ugly light. Can't undrestand this.

imo.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


And they had the choice to answer....and they chose to discuss it. And seemed rather gleeful about it too :rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was Nancy Grace.

EXCERPT:

GRACE: You know, another issue came up. I`m going to go out to Jug Twitty. He`s standing by in Birmingham, Alabama -- obviously, Beth`s husband, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, was there a very detailed statement describing Natalee`s underwear?

CNN Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html)


And who held a gun to their heads and made them answer her? :rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
1) Yes
2) Yes

After doing 1 and 2 they detained him for a reason.

MOO

And then let him go.

imo.

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, it was Nancy Grace.

EXCERPT:

GRACE: You know, another issue came up. I`m going to go out to Jug Twitty. He`s standing by in Birmingham, Alabama -- obviously, Beth`s husband, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, was there a very detailed statement describing Natalee`s underwear?

CNN Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html)


Okie dokie then.. graphic detail of panties... helloooooooo.. the length of their skirts.. and doing belly shots... and playing around.. describing someones panties.. isn't a crime and does not show they committed a forcible crime...

Jughead's statement.. from the transcript...

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here



Is there possibly something more graphic that I missed... if I recall correctly... I think it was the family that discussed much more personal information about Natalee's anatomy.. but will have to look into the links I have saved... but I don't see panties as being graphic...


Edited to add.... there are those pesky Joran's statements again.. that are unsigned.. and who knows if that's what he really said... kind of makes you go hmmmmmmm... wonder if that's what her really said...

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


We are talking about what YOU posted to me. You personally attacked me saying that I "twist." I hadn't even directed my post to you! Take out your frustrations on someone else.

My posts are clean. Unlike YOURS. I will not be bullied by you or anyone else. I've decided I will not allow you to bully me and will reply in like kind. So stop insulting if you don't like to be insulted back.

IMO.


Good thing I wasn't eating or drinking anything when I read this. I'd have choked from laughing so hard.


ET correct spelling since I was laughing so hard.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


So would we call them Flip Flop Flip phones?

;)

LOL!!

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
1) Yes
2) Yes

After doing 1 and 2 they detained him for a reason.

MOO

I agree there was a reason. The reason was to keep up the appearance that they were still investigating this case and to take the heat off the "elite" dutch citizens.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

Good thing I wasn't eating or drinking anything when I read this. I'd have chocked from laughing so hard.

"Chocking" makes me laugh, too! :D

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
And seemed rather gleeful about it too :rolleyes:

Sick.


imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays
I wonder what Beth is doing tonight?

Thinking about Natalee, IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Chocking" makes me laugh, too! :D


I was laughing so hard at what you posted I added an extra letter in there but I caught it and edited because I knew someone would have to play spelling police. Ya'll just never pass up the opportunity. :rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

I was laughing so hard at what you posted I added an extra letter in there but I caught it and edited because I knew someone would have to play spelling police. Ya'll just never pass up the opportunity. :rolleyes:

More insulting? You just cannot stop. You can't stand it when it backfires on you. Go ahead now.....have your usual "last word..."

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Watership Down



The post she quoted talked about the nicknames and the poster. Paula asked what was strange about it. I used the poster and the fact that Beth's picture was on it, something that isn't done on posters unless it is a parental kidnapping, to answer what was strange about it. :rolleyes:

Now try to twist my words some more.

I understood you, WD.

JMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Jacob
You think VDS are elite? Ever seen GCV's house? What do you call that? Dirt poor????


I bet some here wish they were that poor. :biggrin:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


So would we call them Flip Flop Flip phones?

;) I like it!!!

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob

Oh she was not, just because you have a stroke over the term 'blow job' doesn't mean the rest of the planet does.

Joran "retracted" his lie about the "blow job", just like he "retracted" his admission that "something bad" happened to Natalee.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


More insulting? You just cannot stop. You can't stand it when it backfires on you. Go ahead now.....have your usual "last word..."


Truth hurts huh?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Jacob
You take yourself far to seriously. Have you taken your chill pill today?

LOL!

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not strange at all. Wasn't it Natalee's friends that called Natalee "Hootie" and Beth "Big Hootie"? Sounds like Natalee and her friends all had a very good, close relationship with Beth.

imo Very strange.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I understood you, WD.

JMO


Thanks FM#1. If they had bothered to read the post I quoted they would have known what I was saying but they just had to jump in with their twist and spin jobs.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
You think VDS are elite? Ever seen GCV's house? What do you call that? Dirt poor????

"Elite" does not necessarily mean "wealthy". The Dutch considered "upper class", "elite" in Aruba. The dirt poor are treated as just that.........like dirt.

imo

[FitnessMom]

Please empty PM boxes!!

I don't want to go OT, but I'm trying to PM YOU about the JBR case.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why is that strange? Because it is outside the normal range of my experience. MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. It never fails. IMO:patriot:


No it never fails.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


You struggle with context. IMO

You struggle with truth and reality. IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


It would seem that some just can't understand that the mother of a teen could have a close relationship with her daughter and her friends, so much so that they include her in their fun by giving her a variation of Natalee's nickname.

imo Bingo!

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Or she may have called her "My stepHitler'ssisterhootiehottie Mom". Isn't that a translation from Dutch for Hootie?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
No he didn't retract the statement that he got blown nor did he say something bad happened, which would have to happen for him to retract it.

Are you new to this case or something?

Nope, not new. You may chose to believe "Aruba and Joran's retractions" but I will not.

As far as Joran getting "blown" (as you so delicately put it), he stopped claiming that very early in the investigation. It changed to "handsies in the pantsies" and french kissing.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Exactly, NN!

The same nickname stresses the closeness between mother and daughter. I think it's cute.

IMO :confused: That's why they have horse races.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


"Twisting" is YOUR specialty. Read what you wrote.

Imo. Obviously you can't name one.

Case closed.

MOO

[dinojen]

I thought our past president said basically.. and not in these words.. that oral sex... wasn't actually considered sexual relations.. so what's the big deal.... if the Prez says it's ok.. then.. :shrug: JK.. so don't get your panties in a knot...

The statements don't mean jack diddly unless they are notorized and signed.. and I highly doubt they are.. then again.. we need to find out which statements they are talking about.. the ones that Beth some how got.. or the actual statements.. that no one signed...:rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Obviously you can't name one.

Case closed.

MOO


Noticed that huh? :tongue:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
They do no such thing. You need to get out more, the high frequency waves from your TV have adversely affected your thinking capabilities.


You are so wrong, it is not even funny Jake.

Please refrain from projecting your personal problems onto me.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


You are so wrong, it is not even funny Jake.

Please refrain from projecting your personal problems onto me.

imo

Tis their habit.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Obviously you can't name one.

Case closed.

MOO

It would take up too much bandwidth. I restrained myself.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Tis their habit.

Tis their life.

[Luke Davis]

As long as people can insult a poster they don't have to respond to a question.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


As long as the focus is kept on Beth, it will be kept off J2K. And the other suspects.

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
Jake? It's J A C O B.

Your seeing has been affected to? Oh dear.

DOES THIS HELP

Settle down, Jake, yelling is not good for you.

imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
As long as people can insult a poster they don't have to respond to a question.

MOO

So we have noticed. :tongue:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
As long as people can insult a poster they don't have to respond to a question.

MOO


They don't respond to a lot of questions. ;)

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
As long as people can insult a poster they don't have to respond to a question.

MOO

That's exactly what she did. It would also help if others didn't jump in. :)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
Say what? If you're not new to the case, maybe you are new to what most people call using their noodle.

And just to be clear, that's noodle usage for cognitive processes, not for a casserole.

As I said before, Jake, do not project your problems onto me, it is rude and uncalled for.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


That's exactly what she did. It would also help if others didn't jump in. :)


Didn't want anyone seeing your little spelling problem???


MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1435

quote:
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Originally posted by Luke Davis
As long as people can insult a poster they don't have to respond to a question.

MOO
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That's exactly what she did. It would also help in others didn't jump in.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Isn't that a translation from Dutch for Hootie?

Of course, I wouldn't have posted it otherwise. :tongue:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

Didn't want anyone seeing your little spelling problem???

<Snipped for attacking>



I think you have an eyesight problem deary.

Check my post again. I normally NEVER remark on spelling mistakes.........YOUR spelling mistake "CHOCKING" was FUNNY!!! Chill Out! Let it gooooooo!

imo.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


I think you have an eyesight problem deary.

Check my post again. I normally NEVER remark on spelling mistakes.........YOUR spelling mistake "CHOCKING" was FUNNY!!! Chill Out! Let it gooooooo!

imo.


I see your post and see that you fixed your little boo boo. Couldn't have one of your own after attacking someone else's. Tsk tsk.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

I see your post and see that you fixed your little boo boo. Couldn't have one of your own after attacking someone else's. Tsk tsk.

Give it up.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Jacob
Great find? What's so great about it? You want a great find, go look at Paula's posts about Patsy murdering her own little girl.

What is undrestand? Is that like a yout?

Jake, Jake, what is your problem tonight? Did you loose your binky?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Jacob
Great find? What's so great about it? You want a great find, go look at Paula's posts about Patsy murdering her own little girl.

What is undrestand? Is that like a yout?

Wow, Jake, you're batting 1,000 here. Are you going to insult everyone the entire night?

imo.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


That would be the Dutch family (Joran and Anita) that started that. Why?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Why?

Why what, Luke

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Wow, Jake, you're batting 1,000 here. Are you going to insult everyone the entire night?

imo.

Not everyone, Miami. I don't think Jake is an equal opportunity poster basher.


imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Jacob
Is this a robbery?


It is something...that's for sure. :tongue:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Jacob
Insult? You obviously don't know what an insult is.

Are you sharing Jake with No Nic? Hope there are lots of grocery sacks involved ;)

Grocery sacks?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Wow, Jake, you're batting 1,000 here. Are you going to insult everyone the entire night?

imo.

This poster sent me the most vile and creepy PM.

It is always attacking and insulting me, and now lying because I didn't post that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


This poster sent me the most vile and creepy PM.

It is always attacking and insulting me, and now lying because I didn't post that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter.

What did the PM say?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not everyone, Miami. I don't think Jake is an equal opportunity poster basher.


imo

Yeah, I should've written that he's just bashing us. This is why all the "good" posters have left this board.

Good night! :seeya:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


This poster sent me the most vile and creepy PM.

It is always attacking and insulting me, and now lying because I didn't post that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter.

This poster jumped in here tonight bashing and trashing, rude and crude and needs to be stopped.

imo

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Jacob
Yes, you can open them up and put them over things.

Besides groceries, what kinds of things?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yeah, I should've written that he's just bashing us. This is why all the "good" posters have left this board.

Good night! :seeya:

I'm following you out, Miami, let's see how much fun that one has when he has only his own kind to play with.

:rose: Here's a rose for you, Jake, may you find peace, joy and love in you heart someday.

:seeya:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


This poster sent me the most vile and creepy PM.

It is always attacking and insulting me, and now lying because I didn't post that Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter.

I saw that sickening post about you. Freshwater certainly has her hands full with the addition of this poster.

I'll be back when the conversation becomes about Natalee - without all the personal attacks. Is there a full moon out?

imo. :seeya:

[dinojen]

Hmmmm can I aske politely what qualifies you as a good poster?????????

Does that mean you have to believe everything Jug and Beth ever said...

I don't think that's fair... IMOOC...

I know lots of good posters.... and FM, Fitness Mom, Water.. I could go on.. but we all know who they are...

Just thought I would ask... would hate to be considered discriminatory....:D

[FitnessMom]

Just out of curiosity. Does anybody know what kind of car Natalee drove?

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Jacob
You put them over things. And then you call them 'one bagger' or 'two bagger'.

Why would you need 2 bags? Isn't one sturdy enough?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by FitnessMom
Just out of curiosity. Does anybody know what kind of car Natalee drove?

What? The Refergees haven't figured that one out yet?? LOL

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by dinojen
Hmmmm can I aske politely what qualifies you as a good poster?????????

Does that mean you have to believe everything Jug and Beth ever said...

I don't think that's fair... IMOOC...

I know lots of good posters.... and FM, Fitness Mom, Water.. I could go on.. but we all know who they are...

Just thought I would ask... would hate to be considered discriminatory....:D

Not to fret Jen, you're in the loop with all of us good posters.

:D

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by No Nic


What? The Refergees haven't figured that one out yet?? LOL

what "refergees"?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen
Hmmmm can I aske politely what qualifies you as a good poster?????????

Does that mean you have to believe everything Jug and Beth ever said...

I don't think that's fair... IMOOC...

I know lots of good posters.... and FM, Fitness Mom, Water.. I could go on.. but we all know who they are...

Just thought I would ask... would hate to be considered discriminatory....:D


To some here you have to post roses to Beth and never ever question anything she says or does, flame Joran, Paulus and anyone/thing Aruban in order to be called a good poster.

Oh and you have to denounce RU and FOB while extolling the virtues of Debbie at BFN.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Jacob
In case one falls off.

I actually think I *just* caught on. :eek:

[dinojen]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


what "refergees"?


Who are the refergees..... I thought it was Refugee's...:confused:

Just politely asking.... ;)

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic


What? The Refergees haven't figured that one out yet?? LOL

LOL :D

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by dinojen



Who are the refergees..... I thought it was Refugee's...:confused:

Just politely asking.... ;)

Ahhhhh... I was about to say "No officer, I ain't smoked that stuff in years".

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Watership Down



To some here you have to post roses to Beth and never ever question anything she says or does, flame Joran, Paulus and anyone/thing Aruban in order to be called a good poster.

Oh and you have to denounce RU and FOB while extolling the virtues of Debbie at BFN.



Please no posting of roses.. have bad reaction to them.. cause my allergies to go haywire.. and honestly I find them used for the wrong reasons...

Meaning... some people go overboard on posting posies.. then turnaround and stab fellow posters that don't agree with their position in the back...

Think CTV should do away with that friggin blooming flower and it's over use... JMHO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by dinojen



Who are the refergees..... I thought it was Refugee's...:confused:

Just politely asking.... ;)

Oops, did I make a spelling error? Of course, I meant Refugees. Are they still obsessing over what kind of car Natalee has? Haven't been there in months and they were actively investigating this way back then.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen




Please no posting of roses.. have bad reaction to them.. cause my allergies to go haywire.. and honestly I find them used for the wrong reasons...

Meaning... some people go overboard on posting posies.. then turnaround and stab fellow posters that don't agree with their position in the back...

Think CTV should do away with that friggin blooming flower and it's over use... JMHO


I've used it maybe three times since I've been a member here.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Oops, did I make a spelling error? Of course, I meant Refugees. Are they still obsessing over what kind of car Natalee has? Haven't been there in months and they were actively investigating this way back then.

Spew alert!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Oops, did I make a spelling error? Of course, I meant Refugees. Are they still obsessing over what kind of car Natalee has? Haven't been there in months and they were actively investigating this way back then.


Too bad the hyena had been banned because this really deserves one. Months??? ROFLMAO

[dinojen]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Ahhhhh... I was about to say "No officer, I ain't smoked that stuff in years".



LMBO.. smoked what... ya been to Holland lately... ahhh hahahaa

[dinojen]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Spew alert!


Thank you for the warning before I took a drink... saved my new monitor... much appreciated... FM... ;)

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Too bad the hyena had been banned because this really deserves one. Months??? ROFLMAO

I know. Maybe we could do a special request for it, just this one time.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


I know. Maybe we could do a special request for it, just this one time.


It would be oh so appropriate. :tongue:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It would be oh so appropriate. :tongue:

I wish I could use it for this post myself. :D Haven't seen ANYTHING appropriate posted from "your side" in 14+ months.

I'm done with you kiddies tonight. Have fun amongst yourselves, you're all ya' got. :tongue:

[dinojen]

Originally posted by No Nic


I wish I could use it for this post myself. :D Haven't seen ANYTHING appropriate posted from "your side" in 14+ months.

I'm done with you kiddies tonight. Have fun amongst yourselves, you're all ya' got. :tongue:


And so glad to be associated with open minded thinkers... have a good night.. NN..:tongue:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


I wish I could use it for this post myself. :D Haven't seen ANYTHING appropriate posted from "your side" in 14+ months.

I'm done with you kiddies tonight. Have fun amongst yourselves, you're all ya' got. :tongue:



You can't see when you keep your eyes closed.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by No Nic


I wish I could use it for this post myself. :D Haven't seen ANYTHING appropriate posted from "your side" in 14+ months.

I'm done with you kiddies tonight. Have fun amongst yourselves, you're all ya' got. :tongue:

You had to get that last dig in, didn't ya?

[dinojen]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


You had to get that last dig in, didn't ya?


Of course silly... that's what the "good" posters do.... didntcha know... lmbo...:rolleyes:

Ya would think I was from North Dakota...lol

Everytime I hear didntcha know.. I think of Fargo.. sorry for OT..

Is that a sign of being a bad poster.. just asking of course.. wouldn't want to break any rules...;)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


And then let him go.

imo. Like all the others.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


I agree there was a reason. The reason was to keep up the appearance that they were still investigating this case and to take the heat off the "elite" dutch citizens.

imo Guido Wever is elite.

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Jacob

I heard she put up some sort of documents. When did ALE or the Court release any paperwork?


They didn't release any documents to the public. And she is now posting incomplete statements. Integrity my a....err foot.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Jacob

Oh she was not, just because you have a stroke over the term 'blow job' doesn't mean the rest of the planet does. We really need a Pepsi Zero alert.

MOO:hat:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Jacob
What is an incomplete statement?


About halfway through page/s were missing then again near the end more page/s missing.

[dinojen]

Okay...time to watch some real tv.. and get off this darn computer...

Will check in with your "good" posters tomorrow... :tongue:

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
We really need a Pepsi Zero alert.

MOO:hat:


What the heck is Pepsi Zero.. have only had Diet Pepsi....

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by dinojen
Okay...time to watch some real tv.. and get off this darn computer...

Will check in with your "good" posters tomorrow... :tongue:


Have a good night. :seeya:

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Have a good night. :seeya:


You too WD.. see ya "good" posters tomorrow...lol..

Have a good evening...:seeya: